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Special Report
Ground Zero for Gun Control
Pressured by Obama, Biden & Co., Colorado Democrats prepare to set a liberal example.
Colorado, the site of the Columbine and Aurora mass shootings, is now ground zero in the national debate over “gun control.” Last Friday, the State House of Representatives — controlled by Democrats after yet another dismal election showing by the GOP here — passed four bills restricting gun rights. They will soon go to the State Senate, where passage is likely given the Democrat majority in that chamber, and then on to Governor John “Really, I’m a Moderate” Hickenlooper (above), who has already said he will sign at least three of them.
Colorado Democrats have avoided the “assault weapon” debate and are focusing on ways more likely to fool average citizens into feeling good about “doing something.” Unfortunately, what they are doing will harm both liberty and safety for most Coloradoans.
The debate in the Centennial State is garnering national attention, with Vice President Joe Biden calling four perceived Democratic moderates (three freshmen and the Speaker of the House) to encourage them to vote for the measures. One Democrat who received a call said that “[Biden] just said he’s watching us and asked if we had a chance to move these bills forward and said what an important signal it would send to the country if we do.” I imagine that the “watching” part sounded very much like a threat, given the schoolyard bully nature of this administration. After all, this is a president who said to a Democratic member of Congress “Don’t think we’re not keeping score, brother.”
The four measures, which passed out of committee on party-line votes and then passed the House with unanimous Republicans (and a few, but not enough, courageous Democrats) in opposition, include:
HB (House Bill) 1224: Bans magazines that can hold more than 15 rounds of ammunition (other than .22 caliber rimfire ammo) or more than eight shotgun shells. (The Democrats originally proposed a measure where these numbers were 10 and five, respectively.) The bill would grandfather in any “large-capacity” magazines with their current owners, but would not allow those magazines to then be sold. The bill also requires that any large-capacity magazine made in Colorado must have a serial number and manufacture date “legibly and conspicuously engraved or cast upon the outer surface.”
Erie, Colorado-based Magpul Industries, which makes high-capacity magazines, says that if the bill becomes law, it will move its operations along with 200 jobs out of Colorado. Magpul’s key suppliers have said they will leave with Magpul, taking perhaps another 200 jobs and an estimated $85 million of 2013 sales to another state. Democrats have amended the original bill in order to try to make sure that Magpul would not be violating Colorado law to manufacture the magazines here, but Duane Liptak, the director of marketing for Magpul, told the Denver Post that the company would not stay in a state where the purchase of their products is illegal.
The gun shop and shooting range where I am getting my concealed carry permit training says they cannot keep many types of magazines in stock. Not just those for the “assault rifles” so demonized by the left, but even standard 17-20 round magazines for the most common semi-automatic pistols. It’s no wonder that gun shops can’t keep magazines or ammunition in stock, or that the publicly traded shares firearms companies are at or near all-time highs. Prohibition is good for business, as Al Capone well knew.
HB 1226: Bans the concealed carry of firearms (by legal owners of guns who also have valid concealed carry permits) in buildings on college campuses, in college stadiums and arenas, or at outdoor college events where the school administrator decides to ban guns.
Democrats, such as my State Representative Claire Levy — whose Nanny State inclinations make New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg look downright permissive — say that “There are a lot of students who simply are not ready to be in the presence of firearms.” She seems to miss the points that (1) those students are not going to get their concealed carry permits, and (2) the word “concealed” means those students should not know they are “in the presence of firearms.”
One wonders when Democrats will notice how many mass shootings occur at gun-free zones, whether elementary schools (Newtown, CT), high schools (Columbine), colleges (Virginia Tech), or movie theaters (Aurora, CO). Just because a mass-shooter is insane does not mean he is stupid. One must assume that anyone, crazy or otherwise, who wants to inflict great harm will consider going to the least-defended targets. Republicans in the state legislature argue that “making college campuses into gun free zones only increases the probability that one of our college kids will become a victim.”
Showing how out-of-touch Democrats are when it comes to life and death issues, Democrat State Rep. Joe Salazar made the truly remarkable statement that rather than being able to carry a gun on campus, female college students should take comfort in the presence of call boxes, safe zones, and whistles. He went on to suggest that women, not knowing whether they’re actually being raped, or about to be raped, or not, might “pop a round at somebody.” First of all, has anyone ever heard a story of a mistaken shooting by a women who thought erroneously that she was being attacked? And secondly, where is the media who destroyed Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock for their ignorant statements?
Salazar later apologized, but an apology for implying that women are too emotional, and might not be able to tell if they’re really in trouble or really being raped, to be allowed to carry guns on campus would never have been accepted by the partisan hacks who populate most of today’s major media newsrooms.
Who’s leading the “war on women” now?
My friends at Colorado Peak Politics are following how social media, especially Twitter, are justifiably savaging Salazar, with even some liberals taking notice. CPP pointed out that as of Sunday, “The #1 trending hashtag on Twitter is #LiberalTips2AvoidRape. Joe Salazar — consider this a career-ender.” Somehow, the ever-tolerant-of-Democrats-no-matter-how-ignorant Fourth Estate still finds a way to suggest that this is all just more of right-wing insensitivity to rape victims. If Alice in Wonderland wrote political commentary, you’d see it posing as serious at Mother Jones.
Meanwhile the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs has put out a list of public safety tips for women, which include “Tell your attacker that you have a disease or are menstruating” and “Vomiting or urinating may also convince the attacker to leave you alone.” They may in fact be correct (not that many people can vomit at will), but it remains unclear how the threat of urea, bile, or blood compares to the threat of a 9 mm hollow-point.
About the Author
Ross Kaminsky is a self-employed trader and investor and is a senior fellow of the Heartland Institute. He is the host of The Ross Kaminsky Show on Denver’s NewsRadio 850 KOA at 11 AM on most Sundays. You can reach Ross by e-mail at rossputin(at)rossputin(dot)com.
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Appleby| 2.20.13 @ 6:36AM
One of the reasons the majority of lawmaking is left to the States is to see those states operate as laboratories or test cases that the other states can observe before instituting the same laws or regulations. This ought to convince even Democrats that sometimes doing nothing is a much better alternative than doing dozens of stupid things that aren't going to be understood or followed or enforced.
TLP| 2.20.13 @ 10:23AM
Actually, I'm thinking that most of this stuff gets done at the State Level because of the 9th and 10th Amendments.
Then again, I can't think of a single Amendment in the Bill of Rights that Democrats have any use for.
They only care about the 1st Amendment, when you wanna put a Crucifix in a Glass of your own Piss, Elephant Dung on a picture of the Virgin Mary, or build a Muslim Victory Mosque at the site of 911. (That building was HIT by a Landing Gear from one of the Planes. That MAKES IT part of Ground Zero)
They'll never Stop, until the 2nd Amendment goes the way of Meatless Friday.
The 4th Amendment? Kelo vs. the City of New London.
The 5th Amendment, they'll hang on to, as all of them know that, sooner or later, they're gonna need to Invoke It at their Trial.
The 9th and 10th Died with The New Deal, The Great Society, and The Halfrican's Marxist Utopian Wet Dream.
And Appleby's last sentence reminds me of the Immortal Words of Cool Hand Luke: "Sometimes nothin, is a Real Cool Hand."
Nice.
SCMike| 2.20.13 @ 6:40AM
Senator Brophy: “Not one of these bills does anything to make the average Coloradan safer — some make us less safe. Even Democrat Senate President John Morse acknowledged that the bills wouldn’t make us safer.”
So safety and security are not the issue. I suggest that control is, and not just gun control, but the urge to rule others in all things large and small.
More proof that Democrats can’t be trusted even at the state level.
TLP| 2.20.13 @ 2:13PM
A prominent member of Chicago’s homosexual community claims Barack Obama’s participation in the “gay” bar and bathhouse scene was so well known that many who were aware of his lifestyle were shocked when he ran for president and finally won the White House.
“It was preposterous to the people I knew then to think Obama was going to keep his gay life secret,” said Kevin DuJan, who was a gossip columnist in Chicago for various blogs when Obama was living in the city as a community organizer and later a state senator.
“Nobody who knew Obama in the gay bar scene thought he could possibly be president,” said DuJan.
Chicago Tribune.
TLP| 2.20.13 @ 3:59PM
WND.
Google: Barack Obama Gay Bathhouse Story.
GOOGLE IT!
Then, get back to me.
Jack in Wi| 2.20.13 @ 6:40AM
Good comments Appleby. It looks like this civil war will continue around the country. It will be as enforceable as drug laws. Only criminals will be armed. That includes the government most of all.
Matthew Quigley| 2.20.13 @ 7:48AM
This is what happens when you have an otherwise normal state now being ruled by the loser exiles from California, New York and other liberal slime pits. Colorado would still be a nice, sensible western state if it weren't for Boulder, Colorado Springs, Pagosa Springs, Denver, Aspen and the other freaked-out leftist enclaves. However, my own beloved New Mexico has to deal with the leftist scrounges in Santa Fe, Taos, Albuquerque, Las Cruces, Espanola and Chama...so we're headed down the same sickening path.
Pecos Pete| 2.20.13 @ 10:08AM
Yes indeedy, Matt, New Mexico is right in there with Colorado.
NM House Bill 77 requires state approval of nearly all private firearm transfers including those between family, friends, neighbors and co-workers. Requires fees on per transaction basis and a state instant background check similar to Colorado.
NM House Bill 402 would impose a statewide ban on commonly owned semi-automatic firearms and standard capacity magazines, allow for confiscation, impose impractical storage and transportation restrictions, just to mention a few of the items in this bill.
And none of this will make anyone safer. Criminals haul weapons and ammunition from Mexico at will or buy them at the black market, or steal them, ... so, can anyone tell me how or why criminals will obey these new laws?
TLP| 2.20.13 @ 10:36AM
And, Texas better be careful what they wish for, when they go Trolling for Californians.
Biff| 2.20.13 @ 8:26PM
Good point. For now, we are only trolling for business owners who are tired of the mess in California. This pretty much discounts your garden variety liberal yahoos. At least that's the plan...
The Root '83| 2.21.13 @ 2:15PM
Indeed...I fled Jersey under Florio over Gun Control, and my part of "Paradise PA" is now full of Jersey tax refugees that brought their bad voting habits with them...Teachers now earn 100k and strike for more, cops fire up entire neighborhoods with "spray and pray" while calling for guncontrol that the locals now tend to support.
markenoff| 2.20.13 @ 11:50AM
Criminals have their weapons delivered to them by the ATF.
William L. Gensert| 2.20.13 @ 7:58AM
I carried a gun in New York City for more than a decade -- back when there were thousands of murders a year and the Bronx led the nation in killings. On at least four occasions, that gun saved my life, and in a couple of instances, the lives of people who were with me at the time.
I refuse to believe that this world would be a better place without me.
Read more of my article: http://www.americanthinker.com.....z2LRY1dqh7
I also carried my gun inside my son's grammar school and just about everywhere I went.
I have always understood the meaning of the word "concealed," and there were very few people who knew I was armed.
TLP| 2.20.13 @ 10:42AM
Obviously, things are Slow over at the American Thinker if William has to Slum it over at this dump, to find people to read his Story.
Although...........as he does seem to know a lotta people here?
Maybe he can get us that EDIT APP that we're sorely in need of, over here. And, a Real One.
Not, the Imaginary Ones we give out at The Contest.
The Root '83| 2.21.13 @ 2:42PM
"Maybe he can get us that EDIT APP that we're sorely in need of, over here"
Be careful what you wish for...I'm a Pajamas Media Refugee…they went all "facebook-y" for their comments field, its really lame. Traffic is way down over there because of it.
Be happy with your full paragraph plain text, no "like" buttons, no "expand" windows and other nonsense that truncates your comments, makes reply/interaction/thread following an exercise in piecemeal, and generally (by design we think) stifle your most prominent commenters from ripping apart bogus article and faulty logic….
Once you see your (formerly) thoughtful, cogent, complete sentence comments and the respectable dialog they initiate, squished into a dumbed-down three-sentence box, requiring an "OMG! GR8 stuff! UR 2 kewel!" style of communication, you wont mind so much typing complete sentences (like an adult) in WORD to edit before cutting and pasting, if you're THAT worried about innocent typos …
When the comments field more closely resembles the font size and “gravitas” of the article text itself, you’ll have a higher form of net-species bothering to make themselves heard…
Make it more “hip” with cute avatars and other modernizations, and you may be sorry.
For me, the article STARTS the conversation…it’s the commenters I really want to hear from…
PJM blew it with their “upgrade”, count your blessings and leave the comments feature ALONE.
Bill8472| 2.20.13 @ 4:51PM
Are you the guy who could shoot a lot of rounds in a mere ten seconds? That one stretched credibility.
MarkJeff| 2.20.13 @ 7:59AM
Come to Colorado, man. Smoke pot and give up your guns and freedom. Be stoned and vote for the Left.
TLP| 2.20.13 @ 10:43AM
MarkJeff's not here, man.
Ross Kaminsky| 2.20.13 @ 11:25AM
the office building where I rent a tiny little office has a pot dispensary in the basement. somehow, and I don't know how but I'm very grateful, the smell does not get into my office.
lots of old Subarus parking outside...
Zeppo| 2.20.13 @ 12:00PM
The sad thing is that just a few short years ago, Colorado was about as Republican as you can get. Now the loonies run the place.
TLP| 2.20.13 @ 1:29PM
Maybe you should start taking your Lunch, down there.
Trust Me.
It couldn't hurt.
TLP| 2.20.13 @ 1:31PM
You might even, accidentally, come away with a sense of Humour.
You know I love you, right?
Even though you never write, anymore.
Alan| 2.20.13 @ 1:50PM
Living in a state full of disarmed dope smokers, yeah, bright future there for sure Ross.
Connection Not Compromise| 2.20.13 @ 2:39PM
All the lovely liberal neighbors in our subdivision are in a twit right now because the medical marijuana farm down the road is expanding 10-fold under the new law. It is hysterically funny to watch them get all bent out of shape over an amendment that they voted for. Can anyone say NIMBY.
Al Adab| 2.20.13 @ 8:30AM
As far as CO is concerned, do we really want all the potheads to be shooting? The fight is also in MO where an outright confiscation bill is pending. If CO does do this or if MO does businesses will relocate from CO to other nearby states (Texas?) and if MO goes ahead, well remember it was an attempt by the British to confiscate the arm of the MA militia that set in motion a train of events in April of 1775.
Von Mises Jr| 2.20.13 @ 9:00AM
I would rather peace loving pot heads have guns that jack boot statist. The pacifist stoners may just want to target practice, hunt or have personal protection while the government statist want to take your property, 401K and put you in an Agenda21 work farm to work for the man, old Warren Buffet and Jeffrey Immelt.
CO may be making a strategic mistake joining the Blue States bullies since all the States around it will be on the other side of the conflict if this tyrannical and authoritarian government in DC and deep blue States spark another Lexington and Concord.
For those that did not grasp you reference, in 1775 when Paul Revere made his historic ride, the colonist in Boston had been tipped off of the gun confiscation and stored their arsenal 9 miles away to give them time to assemble. By the time the British marched the distance, Militias were warned by Church bells and waiting for them.
The list has expanded from WY to about ten States that have now warned DC "don't screw with our guns!"
markenoff| 2.20.13 @ 9:56AM
The right to keep and bear arms is our Second Amendment but our first freedom.
Von Mises Jr| 2.20.13 @ 11:36AM
Under our Constitution of Enumerated Powers, since the right to legislate guns is not enumerated to the Central Government, we have this as an "unalienable right" from God and Nature's God.
The Founders debated over the Bill of Rights concerned that the positive rights in the Bill of Rights could be construed to be overturned by an Amendment. But they cannot amend that for which they have no power.
But you are exactly correct that is our guarantee. That is why it is second only following speech, religion, press and assembly.
Here is what apparently happened in NY: http://sustainablefreedomlab.o.....f-a-gun-2/
The Root '83| 2.21.13 @ 4:28PM
I would too, in "theory"….
But in practice, peace-loving pot heads are too mellow and non-confrontational to really stand up (against the jack booted Statists) in a fight...they're "impaired" most of the time and will suffer much in the way of physical and property indignities for the sake of a continued buzz….
They tend NOT to like guns because it gets in the way of scoring more weed…
”chill brother I don’t pack”
They are, in my experience, reflexively supportive of most “common sense” incremental- isms to ban handguns, magazines capacities , assault weapons , because all they REALLY care about is being high.
That’s why The Left loves Pot-Heads so much….throw them a bone (pun intended) supporting “medical Marijuana” and they’ll never question another thing you propose.
In other words, keep ‘em stoned, and their oblivious to The Statist March to Control.
TLP| 2.20.13 @ 10:48AM
When you listen to all of the Drunks at The Contest, talking about all the Guns they have, in the same sentence that they're defending drinking Scotch out of the Toilet, if that's all that's left?
I'm gonna go with VMJr on this one.
Pecos Pete| 2.20.13 @ 11:07AM
Sticks and stones ... I'm a proud Gun Owner who drinks stone cold Vodka straight from the bottle after first smelling the aroma of a very dry vermouth. The perfect martini. Then I go sit on the porch and take pot shots at rattle snakes with my machine guns, or better yet, throwin' grenades at 'em.
Ross Kaminsky| 2.20.13 @ 11:26AM
I need to come over to your house, but can I bring scotch so I don't have to drink vodka?
Al Adab| 2.20.13 @ 11:42AM
Would love to join the gathering, but I too would prefer to bring the scotch.
Jr. and I will disagree on the stoners but the problem with CO is that the entire population is in the Denver area. The west slope is part of the West while Denver et al is just another big blue city.
Pecos Pete| 2.20.13 @ 1:40PM
My still makes vodka and really really excellent scotch, bourbon, gin, Irish, rum ... come to think of it, my still can make anything alcoholic. After the first sip, it all tastes the same ... good. As King O says, Trust Me.
KennesawJack| 2.20.13 @ 5:01PM
Pete, are you up to makin' some Jaeger or is this BYOB? I'll bring my own Yeungling.
TLP| 2.20.13 @ 6:22PM
It's probably more like: BYO Barf Bag.
JP| 2.20.13 @ 11:40AM
Better yet, I drink 2 bottles of Wild Turkey and smoke a bong and then use dynamite to take out praire dogs in my backyard. Bill Murray gave me the idea.
markenoff| 2.20.13 @ 11:52AM
Neve mind the wires, doctor's orders.
mike 3/505| 2.20.13 @ 12:41PM
...defending drinking Scotch out of the Toilet...
That's cause I accidentally dropped the wife's glass punchbowl and shattered it. I'm thinking about "bypassing the middleman" and doing my scotch via an IV hookup.
mike 3/505| 2.20.13 @ 12:42PM
I still need more filed testing on the above technique. Last time I tried it, I got the IV line tangled in the front sight of my AR-15
Pecos Pete| 2.20.13 @ 1:42PM
They still lettin' you have an AR-15? That's dangerous. I'll bet they are hiding the ammunition.
mike 3/505| 2.20.13 @ 5:18PM
I'll bet they are hiding the ammunition.
It seems like it...PX has been out for the past month...had to chogy over to Alabama to my buddy's place to get me a basic load for home defense when I bought my M&P...last one on the the shelf.
Drunken Sailor| 2.20.13 @ 3:38PM
Use a nasal gastric tube instead. Straight shot to the gut and the line doesn't interfere with your aim.
mike 3/505| 2.20.13 @ 5:19PM
I'll try that next....always willing to try new TTP
The Root '83| 2.21.13 @ 4:38PM
Tangled up in the IV line?
Thats why I use my AR pistol...14 inch barrel...no front sight, just a little red dot on the lower handguard a smidge forward of the mag well...buffer case only, no stock (cause its a pistol?)...
No problem tangling anything up, but you gotta watch yer toes with that shortie...
Just sayin
TLP| 2.20.13 @ 1:42PM
Obviously, you're all ignoring the whole "Drinking outta the Toilet" part of the comment.
mike 3/505| 2.20.13 @ 5:33PM
I'm not..what's important is the DRINKING part....out of the bottle...out of the toilet...who cares?
Drunken Sailor| 2.20.13 @ 3:36PM
Well I don't think it was Scotch but for three years I went to a Seabee's ball where the punch was served out of the toilet. It was actually pretty clever, the 50 gal drum supplied the toilet and for a refill, you flushed. It re-circulated the rest. Foreign country though so all we could do was talk about guns.
Now you come along and tell me some of my best memories were a bad idea.
Alcohol and firearms are staples at my family weddings. Come to think of it they are a staple at divorces and wakes as well.
mike 3/505| 2.20.13 @ 5:48PM
I feel your pain...I have always wondered why we have a multi-million/billion dollar federal agency devoted to the regulation of two commodities and a Constitutionally enumerated right (ATF).
Albert Constantine Jr.| 2.20.13 @ 8:37AM
Now that Biden has entered the debate on the Colorado gun legislation, his remarks on home defense from the Facebook Townhall should be placed in the record, alongside Salazar’s, as a contrast in inane.
On the one hand, Salazar fears that women abroad will pop off rounds from a handgun if they have any reason to nervously suspect attack. Biden, on the other hand, counsels his wife and all others similarly situated to let loose with both barrels of a shotgun (he has bragged in the past about his Beretta over/under) any time a suspicious noise is heard outside the home.
Perhaps there is some merit to the Obama administration position on gun ownership. Any body that was insane enough to vote for these clowns clearly lacks the mental stability to handle a firearm.
TLP| 2.20.13 @ 10:50AM
Was he actually IN Colorado when he made his Speech? Or, did he just THINK he was there?
Albert Constantine Jr.| 2.20.13 @ 12:39PM
I'm not sure, but if R Martin heard a couple of loud booms the other night echoing across the Brandywine Valley, it was probably just Dr. Jill Biden hearing those pesky raccoons from her backyard on the other side of the river, and following her husband's prescription for dealing with the threat (and pay no attention to the Secret Service special agent writhing in pain with a load of bird shot in his behind).
Butch| 2.20.13 @ 2:30PM
In my city the Crips and Bloods are invading the homes of widow women at home in bed, in groups of three, all armed. Biden's over and under would leave him nice and dead. Have a nice day.
Maxwell| 2.20.13 @ 8:47AM
Magpul makes some pretty neat accessories for the M16 / AR15 platform from normal capacity (I REFUSE to say high capacity) magazines to adjustable butt stocks. With that said, I'd love to see ALL gun manufacturers say, if we cannot sell the same products to civilians that we can sell to LEO's we are not selling anything to the states that pass dumb gun laws.
I know there are some here will say, but Maxwell, that is anti LEO, how can you make such a statement! That is not my intent. There is something called principle. I guess principle only goes as far an money in your pocket. Surely Glock, H&K, S&W, Colt, Beretta, & a few others would loose out on the LEO contracts which may not be as big as the civilian market. It is a good thing I'm not in charge....really
R Martin| 2.20.13 @ 8:53AM
Here’s what John Hancock said about gun control:
". . .In defense of the freedom that is our birthright. . .we have taken up arms. We shall lay them down when hostilities shall cease on the part of the aggressors, and all danger of their being renewed shall be removed, and not before."
Here’s what too many Americans, swayed by the nonsense of the left, seem to be saying:
“Baaaa”
Albert Constantine Jr.| 2.20.13 @ 9:16AM
...and once sheared of their wool, will likely end up mutton in the stew pot...
Frank Drackman| 2.20.13 @ 9:41AM
what is mutton anyway?
Frekki| 2.20.13 @ 10:54AM
From Wikipedia;
"Lamb is a sheep less than a year old, typically slaughtered between the ages of 4 and 12 months. Older sheep is called mutton and has a much stronger flavor and tougher meat that many find distasteful. Mutton was a cheap food source for the military, and it was often overcooked and dry. Many American servicemen had their fill of mutton, coming home to declare it off-limits in the family home. This may be another reason why lamb has not become more popular in the States. "
I grew up eating lamb or mutton several times a month, my mother was the granddaughter of a farmer/butcher. We also had sweetbreads, chitlins, squirrel and anything else that I could shoot. I believe it's now illegal to sell mutton.
TLP| 2.20.13 @ 1:46PM
I'm told by some of my Arab friends that the younger Sheep are much tighter than the Mutton ones.
I'm just sayin.
Butch| 2.20.13 @ 2:37PM
Trust your Mom cooked up those chitlins outdoors, Frekki.
Cobalt| 2.20.13 @ 7:12PM
Chitlin Strut
Every year in Salley, S.C. the Saturday after Thanksgiving.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNN5UwDHG_Y
Drunken Sailor| 2.20.13 @ 3:40PM
Still legal and quite popular as a barbeque staple in Owensboro, Ky.
KennesawJack| 2.20.13 @ 5:10PM
Not to mention mutton smells like piss when it's being cooked. Lamb chops, on the other hand, are great. Frekki, you are more than welcome to my share of the sweetbreads, chitlins, and squirrel. I, too, grew up on a farm and remember the autumn butchering when my Father, Grandfather, and my uncles as well as the male cousins all helped. To this day, while a carnivore through and through, there are some parts of a steer or hog I WILL NOT eat. Sweetbreads, kidney, brains, chitlins and mountain oysters come to mind. (As I recall, we used to ship the mountain oysters to a guy out in New Mexico name Pete). Here's one for all you city boys. The men, after putting a bullet in the brain of a steer would puncture the jugular and catch a tin cup of the warm blood and drink it. Those old Krauts beleived the blood would help make them as strong as the steer. The rest of the blood was cooked into blood pudding, also on my no fly list.
Pecos Pete| 2.20.13 @ 6:09PM
KJack: Did I forget to thank you and your relatives for the kind gifts? If so, or not, here tis .. I thank you very much for the many oysters ... they was mighty good!
KennesawJack| 2.20.13 @ 6:12PM
That was you?
TLP| 2.20.13 @ 6:24PM
You spelled "were" wrong.
John Navratil| 2.20.13 @ 8:15PM
KennesawJack,
It has to be thirty years ago when a friend of mine came through Houston from the valley with a Cool Whip container of mountain oysters from the castrations earlier in the day. We skinned them and fried them in corn meal. My brother-in-law just couldn't get close to them.
Pity!
I guess it coming from European stock, and from the war years, that I grew up on cow tongue and sweetbreads (pancreas). On the other hand, I could never get the hang of kidneys or liver - unless it was in a pate'.
Someday I'll tell the story of a bunch of Americans and "rognons de veau" at a restaurant in St. Remy.
KennesawJack| 2.20.13 @ 8:50PM
John, you're a better man than I am. I could not bring myself to eat them, so I guess your brother-in-law and I are simpatico in that regard.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 2.20.13 @ 11:18AM
I was just going to say old sheep, but Frekki did a much more comprehensive job (and had I said lamb chops, I wouldn't want anyone to mistake it for a term of endearment).
mike 3/505| 2.20.13 @ 1:11PM
what is mutton anyway?
From: 3/505-apedia
Mutton: Cooked meat that smells & tastes like a soaking wet sweater...
TLP| 2.20.13 @ 1:48PM
Is this before, or after you drink Scotch outta the toilet?
mike 3/505| 2.20.13 @ 1:52PM
Yes
TLP| 2.20.13 @ 6:25PM
You crack me up.
mike 3/505| 2.20.13 @ 8:28PM
I crack me up. Heheheheh. OK...back to the scotch bottle now.
markenoff| 2.20.13 @ 9:57AM
Soylent green. Long pig.
The Root '83| 2.21.13 @ 4:43PM
Yes, we shall "lay them down" when hostilities cease, but we will never be WITHOUT THEM, always at the ready, to quickly pick up AGAIN should the need arise...
Anthony| 2.20.13 @ 9:13AM
What compassion these lefties have for Colorado women on campus!! Such enlightenment we have not seen since the 18th century.
Yes ladies, instead of packing, simply tell your rapist that you are menstrating, or that you have wet your panties. Perhaps a simple "I'm not in the mood" might also appeal to the sensabilities of the savage beast.
This advice will also work for Purp, vtwin and Arnie, especially the menstrating angle, since you guys will have already wet your pants.
Frank Drackman| 2.20.13 @ 9:15AM
The so called "Assault Rifle(Is my fist an "Assault Fist"? is a Rapist, I mean Bill Clinton's Penis an "Assault Penis"???) is actually the perfect gun for small framed individuals, i.e. the Wimmen Folk.
The first "Assault Rifle" the StG-44, was designed by the Nazi's(Calm down Jack) as a literal "Peoples Gun", Hitler(Calm down Jack) probably would have called it that if he wasn't strung out on Crack(Calm down Jack) and having Tom Cruise (Calm down Jack) trying to kill him.
The Russ-kies just improved on the design, making it literally idiot proof(try field stripping an AR-15 in the dark)and adding a chrome barrell at no charge, realizing not everbody cleans their guns 5 times a day like US Marines do..
The 7.62x39 round is balistically similar to the same 30-30 cartridge I shot my neighbors dog with, I mean, first deer with in 1974, i.e. low recoil, and perfect for those Sissies who don't like the bruised shoulder the 30:06 dishes out.
And the 5.56 NATO is even more low recoil, you know, because 230 lb US Marines can't handle the same weapon a 130 lb Viet Cong could...
And sometimes you might need to shoot 30+ peoples, just ask that chick who was raped by 30+ Travons in Central Park...
Frank "Deadeye" Drackman
Bill8472| 2.20.13 @ 7:22PM
Hitler is the man who named it the "Sturmgewehr."
The Root '83| 2.21.13 @ 5:09PM
"(try field stripping an AR-15 in the dark)"
Yeah, whats the problem?
Rear pin (you DO have push pins right?) shot-gun it, pull the charging handle back to get the complete bolt assembly out...lick off the crud if you have to (if your ejection port cover was closed all the time, you wouldnt HAVE alot of sand/mud jamming it up, right?)
Jiggle the bolt inside the carrier (twist/press it back and forth a few times) lube the crap out of it, (a bottle of LSA/CLP is always handy right in your helmet band or cargo pocket, right?) do it again, and put it back (if youre smart, the charging handle never came all the way out) , close it, and shoot.
If you "need" anything more, youre 100% screwed night OR day....broken firing pin? Broken extractor? GAS RINGS?... Not likely they're broke OR that you'd have a spare even if they were.
I've put a zillions of rounds through 16's and 15's....they either work, with MINIMAL fussing (easy, in the dark/blindfolded stuff) or you need an armorer.
Not much "in between" you can do besides Fix Bayonetts
Kwan| 2.20.13 @ 9:42AM
As we all know disarming the population is part of any Marxist Revolution's agenda. Any Marxist Revolution worth its salt knows that it must confiscate all the firearms in order to protect itself from the possibility of a counter-revolution. Obama and the Democrat Party are not interested in solving what is the real cause of these shootings but only using them to grab the guns from law abiding citizens. A closer analysis of these shootings reveals a definite link between them and a class of pharmaceuticals called Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors also known as anti-depressants. Why the link between these drugs and gun violence is not being investigated is criminal. Jerome Corsi in his article "Psych Meds Linked to 90% of School Shootings" http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/psy.....8YP5TCr.99 reveals the obvious.
Kip Kinkel was withdrawing from Prozac and had been prescribed Ritalin when he murdered his mother and stepfather then shot 22 classmates, killing two, in 1998.
Christopher Pittman was withdrawing from Luvox and from Paxil when he killed his paternal grandparents in 2001.
Elizabeth Bush, who fired at fellow students in Williamsport, Pa., in 2001, wounding one, was on Prozac.
Jason Hoffman, was on Effexor and Celexa when he opened fire at his El Cajon, Calif., high school, wounding five.
Kwan| 2.20.13 @ 9:44AM
• Shawn Cooper of Notus, Idaho, was on antidepressants when he fired a shotgun on students and staff.
• T.J. Solomon, on antidepressants, wounded six at his Conyers, Ga., high school.
• Eric Harris was taking Luvox when he and fellow student Dylan Klebold killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 24 others before turning their guns on themselves at Columbine High School in Colorado.
• At Virginia Tech in 2007, where 32 were murdered, authorities found “prescription medications related to the treatment of psychological problems had been found among Mr. Cho’s effects,” according to the New York Times.
Isn’t it about time to ban these dangerous drugs instead of guns before anymore innocent victims are murdered.
Frank Drackman| 2.20.13 @ 10:19AM
and I seem to remember Charles Whitman was prescribed some Psychotropic medication before killing 17 people with "Hunting" Rifles...
Frank
Cpm| 2.20.13 @ 10:53AM
He also had a brain tumor.
Kwan| 2.20.13 @ 10:57AM
You're right Frank. Investigating officers found that Whitman had visited several University doctors in the year prior to the shootings, who had prescribed him various medications. When Whitman met with Dr. Maurice Heatly the staff psychiatrist at the University of Texas Health Center on March 29, 1966 roughly 4 months before the shooting spree, he revealed that something seemed to be happening to him and that he didn't seem to be himself.
Pecos Pete| 2.20.13 @ 11:09AM
What was Charles Manson on?
R Martin| 2.20.13 @ 11:37AM
Everything. And remember, no gun laws would have protected Manson's victims.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 2.20.13 @ 12:45PM
Chuck remained behind, and protected the stash, while he dispatched his minions to do the actual killing.
He was convicted as the mastermind of the conspiracy, in the same way as Obama gets the credit for killing bin Laden (which begs the question "Who was Manson's Biden?").
TLP| 2.20.13 @ 1:49PM
Squeaky Fromm?
Bill8472| 2.20.13 @ 5:01PM
Well, he DID go the LaBiancas'.
Kwan| 2.20.13 @ 2:33PM
Manson probably took whatever were the fashionable hippie drugs of the day LSD, peyote, hash. By the time Manson formed his "family" he had already been incarcerated in various correctional facilities for half his life. Manson's problems were probably more directly related to whatever are the impulses/inclinations that cause someone to be a career criminal. Manson eventually devolved into a messianic personality who surrounded himself with mentally challenged morons that wanted/needed to be led. This situation was/is quite similar to Jim Jones of the People's Temple and Barack Obama and the menagerie of slavish imbeciles that worship him.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 2.20.13 @ 4:20PM
"...the menagerie of slavish imbeciles that worship him..."
...and we hardly have any of that anymore...
TLP| 2.20.13 @ 6:27PM
Scary, isn't it?
The Root '83| 2.21.13 @ 5:14PM
And many psyc meds quietly added "Homocidal Ideation" as a "rare" side effect after they'd been on the market a few years...
What exactly is considered "rare" in medical/clinical trials...anything less than one in one THOUSAND....
How many kids are on these things??
MILLIONS...
Just do the math
markenoff| 2.20.13 @ 10:02AM
The next state wide elections in Colorado should be interesting.
Anthony| 2.20.13 @ 10:12AM
Yes, and the party that offers up free chasity belts for women on campus will score big.
See, you don't need to be Karl Rove to dispense insightful political stratagies.
Pecos Pete| 2.20.13 @ 10:16AM
Mark: The leftists from California, etc., that have moved to Colorado will continue to vote for democrats. Just like their cousins do in New Mexico. My God, 4 of the 5 congress critters elected in New Mexico are out and out liberal/leftist and to add to the pain, environmental nuts.
R Martin| 2.20.13 @ 11:41AM
Is it just me or does Hickenlooper look like a typical wimpy metrosexual Democrat?
Albert Constantine Jr.| 2.20.13 @ 1:10PM
...Tom Hanks meets Droopy Dog...
TLP| 2.20.13 @ 1:51PM
Why do I suspect that "Hickenlooper" means: Idiot, in Austrian?
R Martin| 2.20.13 @ 2:45PM
Of all the nonsense you write, that one did, in fact, make me laugh out loud. Good one.
Robert| 2.20.13 @ 5:44PM
Why, you need only ask Der Fuehrer II. After all, he is the self-proclaimed discoverer of the Austrian Language!
John Navratil| 2.20.13 @ 8:18PM
What ?!?!? Not "tits"!
Butch| 2.20.13 @ 2:50PM
Sometimes I think liberals are just plain insane, Pete. They run away from the very liberal policies they supported and helped to enact, go to some nice, conservative place that doesn't have these problems, and start voting the same damn way! You guys are having them migrate to other western states, while eastern seaboard liberals are nearly ruining North Carolina. Somebody, somewhere on this site warned Rick Perry about trolling for California businesses. I had that very same thought the first time I heard he was doing it. Keep the northeast and west coasters out of the Red States (we'll make an exception for Maxwell and you other homeless).
Pete| 2.20.13 @ 10:12AM
Here is the form letter I got back from my rep here in CO. When pressed, he couldn't tell me how these make anyone safer or even claim the tragedies would have been averted.
First of all, I want to thank all of you who over the last few weeks took your time to write to me regarding your concerns surrounding gun legislation at the State House. I have never met so many passionate people with such differing views. I spent time with competitive shooting instructors, students for and against concealed carry on campus, gun control advocates, educators, and law enforcement experts.
Before all was said and done, I went to the Longmont Police Department Shooting Range, used firearms for the first time (including the AR-15), and co-hosted a bi-partisan debate on gun laws with former Sen. Ken Gordon, Weld County DA Ken Buck, Dr. John Lott, and John Head. I sat down with constituents who had never even thought of contacting their elected official before and received literally thousands of emails and hundreds of phone calls. My part time staff and I are still dealing with the backlog, and it’s why I’m responding later than I normally would.
Here’s the breakdown of my votes. I didn’t come to any of these decisions quickly or easily. I know I caused a lot of consternation for wanting to examine all of the angles before casting my vote Monday. I’d rather make a tough informed decision than a knee-jerk ignorant vote.
Pete| 2.20.13 @ 10:13AM
House Bill 1229 - Requiring background checks for private sellers: YES
I voted yes on this bill based on the fact that Colorado’s comprehensive background checks have done a good job so far of stopping criminals from buying guns. When I met with the Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI) recently they told me that last year alone, the CBI check resulted in the arrest of over 200 fugitives trying to illegally buy guns. Closing the private seller loophole better protects our citizens and gives sellers the peace of mind that they are selling to a law abiding citizen.
House Bill 1228 - Ending the taxpayer subsidy of CBI background checks: YES
As a former child protection, day care, and nursing home worker, either myself or my employer had to pay for my CBI background check. Last year, taxpayers subsidized gun buyers to the tune of nearly $2 million for that same background check. The average cost of a check is $12.00. This fee for service bill is fair and not financially restrictive.
mike 3/505| 2.20.13 @ 1:23PM
Last year, taxpayers subsidized gun buyers to the tune of nearly $2 million for that same background check.
Another way to put that might be, "taxpayers paid their rightful share of the cost of an onerous requirement they put on other folks' trying to exercise an enumerated right."
TLP| 2.20.13 @ 1:53PM
Is this before, or after you drink Scotch outta the toilet?
mike 3/505| 2.20.13 @ 2:53PM
Yes
JD| 2.20.13 @ 5:22PM
Leftists have an amazing ability to blame others for the costs of their agenda. Once their agenda is enacted, they treat it as an inevitable reality, like gravity. This is especially notable when it comes to filling out tax returns.
Bill8472| 2.21.13 @ 12:24PM
But not a hair is turned out of line when it is proposed that taxpayers pay for the cost of an abortion for indigent pregnant women.
Just another example of "whose ox is being gored."
Pete| 2.20.13 @ 10:16AM
House Bill 1224 - Limiting magazines to 15 Rounds: YES
Honestly this was a tough one. Some states have limited rounds to 7 per magazine, other states would allow a magazine of 100+ bullets. Originally this bill would have set the limit to 10 bullets. I believe the amendment allowing 15 bullets represents a compromise. I don’t believe that limiting magazine size will stop all crime. But in the case of mass shootings, I want to give bystanders the opportunity to get to safety and to stop the shooter (as happened in Arizona). The bill was amended to allow Colorado magazine companies such as Magpul to continue producing in the state. I hope this will save jobs, and I intend to visit their Headquarters very soon to talk to them about their concerns.
House Bill 1226 - College Campus Ban on Concealed Carry: YES
This may in fact have been the toughest vote for me. I truly believe that campus students, faculty and staff should have a say in their own campus life. The courts took that voice away when they permitted concealed carry essentially everywhere on campus.
mike 3/505| 2.20.13 @ 1:29PM
House Bill 1224 - Limiting magazines to 15 Rounds: YES
Honestly this was a tough one. Some states have limited rounds to 7 per magazine, other states would allow a magazine of 100+ bullets. Originally this bill would have set the limit to 10 bullets. I believe the amendment allowing 15 bullets represents a compromise. I don’t believe that limiting magazine size will stop all crime. But in the case of mass shootings, I want to give bystanders the opportunity to get to safety and to stop the shooter (as happened in Arizona).
This will in no way affect potential shooters. Before this bill was even passed, potential shooters have already determined and executed one or more methods to ameliorate the effect of this bill, whether it means, stocking up on older magazines, modifying legal magazines...whatever. This portion will have zero effect on criminals, but will in effect, make potential victims easier to kill. Remember, the criminal is the attacker...he has the initiative. Citizens are the defenders....they do not have the initiative, hence need greater ability than the criminals.
Pete| 2.20.13 @ 10:16AM
Fear was the common thread among students I met with on this issue. Students for the bill were afraid that they could not freely disagree with their classmates without fear of violent reprisal. Students against the bill were afraid to walk home alone at night without some way to protect themselves. The outpouring of phone calls, text messages and emails from constituents and students across the state in favor of this bill put me in the YES column at the 11th Hour. We still have a responsibility to those students who fear for their well-being.
While I believe that those that would carry concealed are a minority, they are not an insignificant portion of the population and they have every right to feel as safe as any student. Since we at the Capitol made this decision on their behalf, it is now our responsibility to work with them to find new solutions.
I know that I haven't necessarily made a lot of friends throughout this debate, but I hope we can continue this discourse respectfully and without our ideologies blinding us to the real fear, passion, and desire to build a better, freer, safer Colorado.
Cpm| 2.20.13 @ 10:52AM
Many Californicators left their sorry state to settle in Colorado and now they threaten to turn it into that which they previously ruined and fled.
Louis Jenkins| 2.20.13 @ 12:04PM
So Co. Democrats are aligned with Shotgun Joe Bite me? "Buy a shotgun! Yeah, jist sit down yer jug, and take your doblle barrel out on de balcony, and let go wi' a big blast. That'll scare off de' intruders."
What a bunch of shi-! Know what you're shooting at you piece of dog waste! If we followed Shotgun Joe's advice there would be dead people dropping like flies, not to mention garbage collectors. But then considering their hate against guns that would just give them an excuse to outlaw all of them.
Telling women to urinate, defecate, or say they're on their monthly is about as weak of defense against rape as can be. A 45, 40, or 357 cal would be far better to stop a sexual crime, or any crime for that matter. What's wrong with these pukes? They got shi- for brains.
TLP| 2.20.13 @ 1:55PM
Not to mention, all of the Dead Birds, Dogs, and Squirrels.
Petronius| 2.20.13 @ 12:50PM
When these laws, especially #1228 pass and get signed, Colorado will have defacto prohibition of gun purchase and transfer. All the state has to do is take the applications and fees. They will never be processed or approved, and permits will never be issued. Ain't government wonderful? If that happens and the Capitol does not get stormed and that legislature and governor deposed, this country is toast.
TLP| 2.20.13 @ 1:56PM
Do you know if it's still okay for Obama to buy Guns, and give'em to the Mexican Drug Cartels?
ncatty| 2.20.13 @ 1:33PM
I have a picture from my college days (1971-75) where all the guys in my dorm (no coed dorms then) went down to the nearby creek and posed with their rifles and shotguns. There are about 30 of us. Although these weapons and ammo were plentiful in the dorm, there was never any fear of their being used for other than hunting and plinking. And no one thought it was strange. Times really have changed.
Butch| 2.20.13 @ 2:58PM
Myself. Guys would go hunting on weekdays in college. Every other room had guns, clearly visible to the house mother (It was Playboy centerfolds she objected to). As a schoolboy, we had guns in our junker cars parked at the high school, clearly visible, including some on gun racks, of course. We walked down main street carrying guns, and nobody thought a thing about it. Liberalism is social cancer.
Bill8472| 2.20.13 @ 5:04PM
In my college, every one of us was issued an M-1 Garand. We kept them in our room. I thought it was intectually interesting that the rack for the M-1s of my roommate and me were attached to the sides of our bookcase in our room. Today the students are issued M-16s, and they keep them in their rooms too.
mike 3/505| 2.20.13 @ 8:30PM
The (un)College I went to, issued M-14's. Heavy suckers at a long present arms.
Bill8472| 2.21.13 @ 12:13PM
I said M-16s, but meant M-14s. The Garands were heavy at present arms, too. Nine-point-five pounds unloaded.
Stan Redmond| 2.20.13 @ 1:34PM
While the lefties in Colorado are doing something for the children why don't they do the obvious. Band crime and make it illegal. Geesh. Do I have to do all the thinking around here. Where's my bong?
Michele San Pietro| 2.20.13 @ 1:35PM
This gun-control spree is only doing harm to America and Americans. Let's hope it will finish as soon as possible, people are very fed up.
snipelee25| 2.20.13 @ 1:41PM
When guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns...
Anthony| 2.20.13 @ 1:57PM
When guns are outlawed, all politicians of all stripes will be hiding in the tall grass to avoid being picked off, one by one.
John Navratil| 2.20.13 @ 2:15PM
http://www.threedonia.com/archives/39136
Seems we missed a few, last time.
Anthony| 2.20.13 @ 3:01PM
Funny one John, thanks.
The Root '83| 2.21.13 @ 5:21PM
"When guns are outlawed, all politicians of all stripes will be hiding in the tall grass to avoid being picked off, one by one"
Buy that man a beer!
(or a box of shells, his choice!)
Bill8472| 2.20.13 @ 4:49PM
So, if you pay for an pass a background check, can you claim that your equal protection rights under the 14th Amendment have been violated by depriving you of the lawful purchase of a firearm unless you can pay for the search?
How about the Fifth Amendment prohibition of being deprived of your property (the fee money) without due process? Doesn't the government have to give you notice of their claim against you?
How about the Constitutional prohibition against government impairing the obligation of contracts? You bought a gun, now you have to pay for a background check? What else will the government think up for you to pay in order to own a handgun?
Isn't there some sort of "chilling effect" on the exercise of our Second Amendment rights?
Come on, you smarty lawyers out there; start thinking.
mike 3/505| 2.20.13 @ 5:12PM
While you smarty lawyers are thinking this over...do so in relation to all the hollering the left is doing about "voter suppression." Do so understanding that the right to keep and bear arms is an "enumerated right," spelled out in the constitution, giving it (IMNSHO) more drag than the never specified, "right to vote."
Bill8472| 2.20.13 @ 7:26PM
The right to vote is in the Constitution too, in the articles not the Bill of Rights.
mike 3/505| 2.20.13 @ 8:32PM
Oh? Please refresh my memory...I thought the states determined who was eligible to vote, subject to certain amendments...
Bill8472| 2.21.13 @ 12:15PM
The states determine who is eligible to vote, you're right, but voting itself is not a questioned principle in the Constitution.
The Root '83| 2.21.13 @ 5:26PM
"While you smarty lawyers are thinking this over..."
They can talk all they want, I cant hear them....My ears are still ringing from my BELT FED MACHINEGUN
N8tivTxn| 2.20.13 @ 5:26PM
Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance, they are the people's liberty's teeth. POTUS # 1... George Washington
TLP| 2.20.13 @ 6:30PM
Well done.
Thanks.
mike 3/505| 2.20.13 @ 8:31PM
+1
homme nike air max BW | 2.20.13 @ 10:51PM
but would not allow those magazines to then be sold. The bill also requires that any large-capacity magazine made in Colorado must have a serial number and manufacture date “legibly and conspicuously engraved or cast upon the outer surface.”
Bill8472| 2.21.13 @ 12:17PM
As a Coloradan, my plan is to combine my firearms purchasing with a trip down to Texas, only about 150 miles away from my home.
CognitiveComPost | 2.23.13 @ 11:13PM
I'm sure that I am not the first person to ask the question about whether people are really arguing about guns or not. It's easy to pick an inanimate object and make it the center of a controversy.The question really is, "Does everyone have a right to defend themselves?". There are many situations where you could have to put up a defense. Let me ask another question. If I am in a situation where there is impending harm that is about to be inflicted upon me by an enemy, what is my appropriate recourse? To what length should I be allowed to go to defend myself and who can determine this except for me? I would expect that I would be able to at least use force equal to the threat. For now, instead of banning any kind of weapons, let us answer this question and then work our way up the ladder to increasing degrees of hostility and how they should be handled. (For more go to www.cognitivecompost.com)