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A New Eleventh Commandment
In the age of Obama, the last thing we need is conservatives at each other’s throats.
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The second modification is that the Commandment should never be seen as providing full immunity. Conservatives can and should frequently debate each other, constructively criticize each other, and even respectfully oppose each other when disagreements are deep and sincere. There should be little toleration, however, for vitriol, absent a political sin indicative of poor character or bad faith. Save the choice words for the leftists who accuse us of racism or viciousness (and even then, use them only if effectively aimed), not for the erstwhile allies who merely prefer moving their knights rather than their rooks in a game of political chess.
The third modification is that a distinction should be made between speaking ill of another conservative’s prudential decisions and speaking ill of his motives or character. It is the latter, not the former, that should almost always be off limits. Indeed, Reagan himself (if memory serves) indicated that he had always intended the Commandment only to proscribe overly personal attacks, not spirited debates about means and ends.
The fourth and final modification is that the proscription does not apply at all when defending oneself from cheap shots by fellow conservatives. In other words, if the Commandment is broken at the expense of one conservative, the self-policing nature of the Commandment requires that other conservatives denounce the rightist violator who hurled the unfair invective in the first place. (For a fictional example from history, if Jack Kemp had called Ronald Reagan a “spineless Benedict Arnold”—he never did, of course—other conservatives would be duty bound to denounce Kemp in the harshest of terms.) Extremism in the defense of a fellow conservative’s basic decency is no vice.
In sum, what’s needed on the right is a re-appreciation of Ben Franklin’s famous (perhaps apocryphal) remark that “we must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately.” Barack Obama is determined to permanently destroy the conservative movement and the cause of limited government. The more of our fire we aim at each other, the more we aid him in his task.
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Quin Hillyer is a senior editor of The American Spectator and a senior fellow at the Center for Individual Freedom. Follow him on Twitter @QuinHillyer.
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Larry E| 2.6.13 @ 6:50AM
Quin ... conservatives aren't attacking each other ... their defending themselves from attacks from the Left and Center-Left.
There's an enormous difference between hanging your own out to dry ... and bagging a RINO (or being gored by one).
The "war" currently shaping up is a necessary and long overdue one. Conservatism is, of necessity, in ascendancy again. The contrasting philosophies of the Left are casting it in stark relief against their massive and costly failures.
A very vocal, full throated defense (and offense) are now in order. Will it be pleasant? Not a chance. But it is necessary.
Jack in Wi| 2.6.13 @ 7:01AM
Baloney Quin: This party needs a civil war. It is 80% prolife conservative but has been run into the ground ny pro-abortion, pro-homsexual, big government eastern liberals. They only call themselves conservatives so these pigs can get near the trough of government. Now Carl Rove and the Romney Bush gang want to control the party forever, like dictators. Rove spent many tens of millions pushing his brand of candidate. He lost every seat but one. Now he wants to pick all the senate candidates himself. We have no opposition party in this country. We have 2 gangs of criminals fighting over the loot.
Quartermaster| 2.6.13 @ 9:39AM
The congressional leadership for the GOP is little more than a bunch of squishling Quislings. They have stood for nothing that was right and good, and have been doing all they can to betray us and the country at large. McCain, Graham, McConnell, Cantor, et. al., have nothing like conservatives, but instead like "cheese eating surrender monkeys." They are unworthy of support and entirely worthy of relentless excoriation until they get a spine and stand up for what is right.
Even GOP Governors are surrendering, as Kasich did just recently.
Grzmlyk| 2.6.13 @ 10:01AM
Just as sure as the edge of Niagara Falls gets pushed back inexorably about one foot per year due to erosion, so the GOP moves further left every year in order to keep up with a popular culture that is sprinting toward a liberal armageddon.
What was an insane, far-left, whacko position on Monday becomes liberal orthodoxy on Tuesday, a moderate point of view on Wednesday, conservative on Thursday and right-wing extremism on Friday.
That is the trajectory of every single idea floated by liberals, thanks to what Limbaugh once called the four corners of deceit: The education establishment, the science establishment, the entertainment establishment and, of course, the political establishment.
(Coming to a courtroom near you: Legalized polyandry, bestiality and pedophilia - for starters).
Every day we awaken to an increasingly insane zeitgeist.
When guys like Kasich cave to the irresistable pressures of political reality, it's over folks. Because you either get on the Marxist juggernaut or you get run over by it; but the juggernaut has its own inertial momentum and it will not be stopped by politicians or silly books by authors telling the dwindling numbers of sane conservatives that redemption is right around the corner.
What we are witnessing is the death spiral of a civilization.
Kaboom.
Waccamaw| 2.6.13 @ 10:18AM
The Republican Party is doomed. Period.
After Obama's second term expires Hillary Clinton will take his office, and we will have eight years of Bill and Hillary.
No Republican can stand beside Hillary. She and her husband are the most blindingly brilliant politicians in town, and everybody knows it. They are both Diesal Democrats on nuclear-powered roller skates, and they will skate down Pennsylvania Avenue and right into the White House, where they will reign for eight years.
Eight years!
Grzmlyk| 2.6.13 @ 10:30AM
Overall, I agree with you.
But brilliant polticians they are not - Bill certainly has world-class talent, but his appearance as a bright star only shows how dim the rest of the firmament is.
Hillary is simply a woman upon whom so many idiotic, angry females have pinned their feminist revenge fantasies. She is not unintelligent, but she's ham-handed, self-involved and geopolitically tone deaf. She is an exalted ward heeler and political hack, nothing more.
But again, the mythos of America is that Bill and Hill are saints of the Democrat church; shrines are built daily to their supposed Progressive Holiness. (Meanwhile, of course, everyone affiliated with the Bush administration is one of Progressive Hell's myrmidons.
Otherwise, I think you're right. Of course, we may just decide to make Obama the Dear Leader for Life. That wouldn't surprise me one bit.
Either way, we're dead, and it doesn't matter to a dead man who the gravedigger is who is shoveling the dirt onto his casket.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 12:42PM
"She is not unintelligent".
Really?
What did I miss?
Grzmlyk| 2.6.13 @ 1:14PM
Your meds, for starters.
A few English classes.
A logic course or two.
Probably all of your high school dances.
Beyond that, you tell me.
Drunken Sailor| 2.6.13 @ 1:51PM
TLP, Better put some ice on that.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 2:26PM
Killing you.
Doctor Right| 2.6.13 @ 7:14PM
LOL!
darcy| 2.7.13 @ 4:32PM
Not waiting in line here but making sure my comment is near the top -- you know, the ends justifies the means -- so here goes: Take this, Quin, and smoke it --http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/024236.html (GOP drinks the Kool-Aid).
Read it and man up with your response, Mr. Hillyer. I'm waiting.
As far as I'm concerned, the GOP is not just merely irrelevant and redundant, it is downright dangerous to our nation's well-being.
My grandchildren are awaiting your response.
Real Deal| 2.25.13 @ 9:03AM
BZZZT! Wrong.
If Barry can't get the 22nd repealed then Michelle Obama will be running in 2016.
Bob K| 2.6.13 @ 11:09AM
We have to remember that there was no Conservative movement in the USA until after WWII. Prior to that both political parties were essentially progressive and differed only in degree.
The Conservative movement ensconced itself in the Republican party but since WWII the movement has been undergoing growth pains.
There has been much internecine feuding in the movement and a number of Conservative groups have been defined and redefined by terms that were originated or invented by it's philosophical leaders; quite often they originated in the back and forth of written arguments among themselves.
Many were condemned to "outer darkness."
We can see that in this website in microcosm.
One of the biggest problems the Conservative movement has is the 4 year election cycle for President where each Conservative group maneuvers for control of the selection of the Republican candidate. The problem is that the leadership of the Republican Party can't seem to find a candidate with the political acumen and skills to bring these groups together and at the same time identify and appeal to a vast nationwide democratic electorate which has it's own practical day to day problems to address. The last Republican who had all these skills was Reagan.
Since the media (for obvious financial reasons) struggles to control the selection process of both parties this is going to be hard to overcome.
Campaigns 18 months long will wear out everybody involved and get us leaders like Obama.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 12:46PM
It's not so much that Reagan had "all these skills".
He had Core Principles, and a set a Balls between his legs.
Something that's sorely missing in this Current bunch of Eunichs.
davidh| 2.6.13 @ 1:57PM
The incredible power of the federal government must be intoxicating. Addictive.
I can only imagine the impact on the psyche of the power a senator, representative, federal judge or the president experiences daily. Certainly more power is the federal junkies dream.
Obama thinks he is a God. Rightly so. His minions and trappings that surround him would reinforce this.
We cannot understand this federal power or its impact on the human mind. It would be an easy leap to think the masses should be ruled and that those in power are superior to those they rule.
The concept of evil is mysterious. Hitler was evil and sought power. How evil is Obama. Many of us believe that he is as evil as any human being ever to inhabit this planet.
Problem is, when the mask is unveiled it will be too late. Martial law. False flags. Death on a global scale. We will not be here to say “I told you so”. The internet as we know it will be gone in a flash drive.
Do you think that’s air your breathing?
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 4:19PM
I don't know.
I don't remember which Pill I swallowed.
davidh| 2.6.13 @ 6:36PM
cheers my brother
Gary B| 2.6.13 @ 6:57AM
"Barack Obama is determined to permanently destroy the conservative movement and the cause of limited government."
This is half right. The other half is that the GOP establishment lusts after the same goal. The Tea Party has caused the ruling elite to mess their pants. Karl Rove has finally come out of the closet and said it out loud. Look down... the line in the sand is as clear as a bell.
Gary B| 2.6.13 @ 7:00AM
The Tea Party's job is to primary RINO candidates out of the picture. The establishment is threatened by this prospect, which is why Rove came out swinging. That was a mistake. We now know exactly what he and his ilk fear most: torches and pitchforks.
Von Mises Jr| 2.6.13 @ 9:35AM
You are exactly right, Gary B. Rover, Bushies lap dog is back peddling so fast he may start doing backward summersaults. He now says he doesn't want a fight. Well sorry buddy. You picked it, and we will finish it.
These girly men boot lickers in the GOP Establishment can grovel if they like, but actions speak louder than words. If they want the real men to come to fight on their side, then they need to stand up for our principles. Otherwise they are the enemy as well. The enemy of my enemy is NOT necessarily a friend.
BTW, Quin, I think you are one of the girly men yourself.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 12:48PM
He can't destroy the Republican Party.
Like this Country, it can only be Destroyed from Within.
aware| 2.6.13 @ 7:00AM
"...permanently destroy the conservative movement and the cause of limited government."
At least you admit these are distinct and different causes. "Conservatives" are always more interested in "limited government" when Democrats are in charge.
nathan| 2.6.13 @ 7:03AM
I'm sorry and I know some of you won't like this but it has to be said, we don't have a good definition right now of what "conservative" means. Does it mean supporting neocon imperialist wars abroad? Forced "democratization" of countries even if they don't want "democracy"? Does it mean a blatant disregard for human rights when it suits OUR interests? Sean regularly has on his show people who either are known human rights violators (Allen West) or were the authors and supports of what were undeniably violations of international agreements on human rights (John Yoo, Dick Cheney) including rendition (the Canadian) and just blatant no nonsense torture and yes, sorry stop it what we did was undeniably torture Jonah Goldberg yesterday in USA Today calling it a "semantic" issue was so clearly off base as to raise questions about how much he reads and knows.
But even domestically Ryan voted for Plan D and Newt openly pushed for it (as a paid lobbyist of course), and virtually no one here complained about the drone attacks on Americans in Yemen who were having dinner at the time they were executed in total violation of their Fifth Amendment rights. And who complained here about the Fifth Amendment destroying NDAA language?
Again folks, what is a "conservative"? Start there first and then we consider what this guy is saying.
CJW| 2.6.13 @ 7:53AM
nathan
What specific concrete proposals do you have?
You post the same complaints about the USA, conservatives, Reps, every day.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 8:34AM
He doesn't have anything.
In Baseball vernacular?
He's a Belly Itcher.
If ya know what I mean.
nathan| 2.6.13 @ 9:03AM
Gentlemen: I'm asking a question and throwing the floor open for discussion. And honestly right now I'm not sure there are any. Notice the differences between this publication, The American Conservative, The Weekly Standard, National Review and others. It was easier right two decades ago when Buckeley and National Review nore or less dictated what "conservatism" was. But he's gone and now what? Is it what we hear on talk radio, Rush, Sean, and Mark? Again, I think this is a serious question.
I believe "conservatives" have moved considerably away from the principles of the Founders. Too much of what we see on this site seems in direct contradiction to Madison, Washington, and others. Fifth Amendment, what's that. And we simply see too much of, we love the Constitution until it gets in the way of what WE want to do.
I would argue for a return to an absolute strict adherence to those to those principles. But that means no detainee abuse for one thing (Washington). Get out of the neocon imperialism wars of aggression (Washington and most of the Founders). No entangling alliances (most of the Founders). A move, slow or not from all "benevolence" spending at the federal level (Madison of course). That a good start.
But can we do what this guy says if we can't roughly agree on what "conservative" means and let's face over the last six months or so it's obvious we clearly don't agree among ourselves.
PolishKnight| 2.6.13 @ 9:39AM
I appreciate the spirit of your remark and will respond in such manner.
Conservatives are in many ways more varied than the left which is basically a cobble of contradictory and even paradoxical concepts in the interests of preserving the Democrat party, and it's cronies, at all costs. Note that I didn't mention special interest groups. During the 60's, the left tossed the working proletariat under the bus in favor of an easier controlled welfare state and racist/sexist entitlements.
Similarly, the Republican party now is made up of groups that are still committed to "founding fathers" constitutionalism and traditional values but these are at odds not only with the elites who gain power but also the pragmatic elements who recognize that times have moved on. After all, the Constitution was flawed when they wrote it (hence requiring amendments.)
Moving forward, a successful conservative democratic (in the truest sense) party needs to first recognize and protect their electorate's interests and stop pandering to the left's. Next, they need to be pragmatic with with issues win elections. Consider gay rights. Does anyone seriously suggest outlawing homosexuality again? If not, then get over it and move on. Keep in mind that traditional values got us in this mess (otherwise, we wouldn't be having this discussion.)
CJW| 2.6.13 @ 10:39AM
nathan
Skip the generalities. Give us specific, concrete proposals about the current problems. For example: What do you do about the deficit, what do you cut? What do we do about the budget, the sequestration, the vote on the debt ceiling, immigration. Get specific.
Big Bob| 2.6.13 @ 1:30PM
Classic paint the critic into the corner technique. W need to tell all money center managers that we will take cuts 15% across the board in their respective departmental budgets. PERIOD. Then, and only then, we can talk about where we need to go. Oh, and by the way, we need to remove the stimulus portion of the budget that was added at the end of Bush's tenure. That is killing us. Is that finite and specific enough for you?
Drunken Sailor| 2.6.13 @ 1:52PM
Zero line budgeting would be a nice addition.
CJW| 2.6.13 @ 2:57PM
No, bob. Who are the money center managers?
KennesawJack| 2.6.13 @ 11:27AM
Nathan, a realatively simple but, at the same time, well-defined (at least by me) explanation of Conservatism from a very, very conservative
Republican. 1. Stay out of other countries' business. 2. Build the best, most efficient military on Earth for defensive purposes only - that means let the camel-f**king pedophiles know that they can do whatever the hell the want to to themselves but, if they screw with us in any way, we turn their shithole sandpiles into glass - no questions asked. 3. Help those who CANNOT help themselves. If you're able-bodied and you can't find a job, here come the CCC camps in exchange for your check. 4. Subsidiarity in government. 5. Subsidiarity in government. 6. Subsidiarity in government. 7. (and this is a bonus) Require all libs to undergo extensive psychological evaluation and commit them if they are found unbalanced - just think of the construction jobs all that building of mental hospitals will mean. 8. Stop killing unborn children. 9. Stay the hell out of people's bedcrooms. If folks like Purp and Jack London wanna play butt f**k, it's no business of mine or the government's. And finally, 10. Term limit all politicians to two terms and make them abide by EVERY law they promulgate for the rest of us. That should do for starters.
CJW| 2.6.13 @ 12:24PM
KJack
As Sam Kinnison said to Rodney Dangerfield in Back to School, "I like your thinking."
PolishKnight| 2.6.13 @ 1:01PM
This is why Republicans and conservatives continue to lose elections. The above is half-joking and pie-in-the-sky proposals but meaningless to the core electorate. No mention whatsoever about doing anything about the rampant white male bashing in the Democrat party. None. Yet, that is now their primary vote getting (and builder as non-whites flood the nation looking for reverse Jim Crow VIP privileges). But sure, keep on fretting about abortion and hoping to outlaw it. Do you plan on giving pregnancy tests to every fertile women traveling outside of the USA so she doesn't engage in abortion tourism?
KennesawJack| 2.6.13 @ 1:19PM
Knight, Seriously, now. I am personally against abortion but, as a conservative, I am willing to accept whatever law each INDIVIDUAL State adopts in that regard but, also as a conservative, I don't believe the Federal government has the power to force pro-abortion laws on the States. So, give me a break. The problem with the abortion issue, and NEVER mentioned is simply that our cowardly Congress doesn't have the balls to pass legislation qualifying as to when life begins. As long as that's the case (and it always will be) this debate will never go away. If Congress were to codify that life begins at a certain time AFTER conception, I would accept that as law but I would damn sure support the opponents of whichever Reps and Senators voted for it. As to the white male bashing, unless and until (which is probably never) the press becomes objective in its reportage, that won't end either. The girly white men (and they are legion) in the msm just love to hate themselves. Problem is, I hate them, too so what's a conservative white guy to do? I've said this before and, as much as it saddens me, I'll say it again. This Country is going to fracture and it will fracture along political, not race, lines and, I fear, the fracturing won't be pretty to watch.
PolishKnight| 2.6.13 @ 1:32PM
I politely disagree with you, KennesawJack. The vast majority of Obama voters don't know his politics or care. About 75% of non-whites vote Democrat due to race reasons with that number even higher among the welfare classes. Race and gender preferences are the single biggest issue that binds the Democrats together and generates voter apathy in the right.
Sorry if I'm about to say something that heresy here, but if the Republicans fret about aborted babies while not caring about my vote, they can expect a lot of guys like me might stay home on election day. Bottom line is that the unborn don't vote, I do (for now.) Get it, or lose.
Seek| 2.6.13 @ 2:50PM
Pro-lifers are an odd lot. On one hand, they decry Roe v. Wade on grounds that it gives the federal government preemptive authority over potentially pro-life states. Yet they have no problem with preemptive federal legislation declaring when life begins. Do you see the contradiction? I certainly do.
As for our great nation fracturing, I am afraid that race will be the fault line. "Values," "ideology" and "premises" are fungible terms. Race isn't. Predatory blacks and Hispanics will give us no other choice but to fight back.
CJW| 2.6.13 @ 3:08PM
Seek
The states have already decided when life begins. It begins at conception. Period. For example, Pennsylvania, as most states, prohibits the killing of an unborn child, except for abortion. You kill a preganant woman, you will be charged with two homicides. Roe did not give the federal government preemptive authority over anything. Roe stated that Constitution restricts the goverment's power to legislate over abortion. There is no contradiction, you have misstated the law.
There is no contradiction between protecting the life of an unborn child and opposing the Supreme Court deciding in 1973 that there is a constitutional right, not enumerated but emanating from penumbras of various amendments, to an abortion.
PolishKnight| 2.6.13 @ 3:37PM
"Most states"? How many? What happened was that they defined the unborn child as chattel. The SC says that it's the woman's "body" so she does what she wants with it (and the federal government should pay for free healthcare, of course). After the child is born, it's still her property to casually discard at a local firestation if she decides. The only person responsible for a child at conception are men who are held liable for their DNA match (and sometimes not) for "child" support. Assuming she doesn't kill the baby by tossing it in a dumpster, of course.
Isn't chivalry wonderful?
CJW| 2.6.13 @ 3:47PM
PK
Go read the Pa law. They defined it as an unborn child, not chattel which is personal property. You do not make any sense.
CJW| 2.6.13 @ 3:51PM
"Currently, at least 38 states have fetal homicide laws. The states include: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin. At least 23 states have fetal homicide laws that apply to the earliest stages of pregnancy ("any state of gestation," "conception," "fertilization" or "post-fertilization"); these are indicated below with an asterisk (*)."
google National Conference of State Legislatures.
PolishKnight| 2.6.13 @ 3:58PM
I trust you (numberof states with such laws). Sorry to make you do the research. I was just curious.
Regarding chattel: I was making the point that based upon the rights of women to do what they want with unborn children and that the law only protects children in her interest, that basically makes the children chattel.
One of the fundamental problems with conservatism is that they got to this mess much on their own. Letting the little "ladies" do as they please while throwing men overboard probably hasn't helped. Just an observation.
CJW| 2.6.13 @ 5:39PM
PK
I have dealt with this issue in my work so I know the Pa law, and other states. You are correct in the sense there is no logic because a mother and her abortionist can kill the unborn child but if anyone else kills the unborn child it is homicide. The only so called logic is that it is an unborn child but because of the Roe/Casey Supreme Court cases, the State cannot legislate to charge the mother and her abortionist with homicide.
Conservatives have not allowed the ladies to do as they please. You can thank the Supreme Court for the abortion mess.
Seek| 2.6.13 @ 4:03PM
You're reading too much into my words, CJW.
That 1989 Pennsylvania law, upheld by SCOTUS in Casey v. Planned Parenthood and still in effect, does allow for abortion during the first two trimesters. As for prohibiting the killing of an unborn child "except" for abortion -- it's hard to see how any more than a tiny number of cases constitute such exceptions. And Pennsylvania is but one state; there are 49 others. "The states," as you put it, haven't "decided" anything. The whole point of allowing state discretion is to allow for difference and serve as a buffer against centralized power. Maybe you are up on the literature on the Tenth Amendment, but it doesn't appear that way.
CJW| 2.6.13 @ 5:34PM
Seek
Read 3:51 above. Go read the Pa and the other 37 state law on homicide of unborn children. The states have decided you cannot kill an unborn child, but the homicide statute excludes abortion. Why do you not want to accept this? The 10 th amendment has not application here. Maybe you care to enlighten us by what you mean by the 10 the 10th Am as it applies to 38 states prohibiting homicide of unborn children.
CJW| 2.6.13 @ 1:34PM
PK
You keep saying "white male bashing." Please be specific, what is it, and what do you propose, such as laws, etc, be done. I do not understand what you mean.
PolishKnight| 2.6.13 @ 1:52PM
OK, here goes (if you're sincere): The left is full of bashing of white males as "privileged" and you can even google the term. The solution for this unfair, unjust "privilege" are "preferences" for "historically oppressed" people which is simply EVERYONE else. When EVERYONE but a group is entitled to a preferential status, that's the same as bashing. But even then, when they aren't excluding white males from "preferential" treatment or entitlements, they are often outright bashing them by observing there's too many of them somewhere (too many CEO white males, too many white males in particular industries, etc.) or in the Republican party. Note that they never say that there's too FEW of them in the Democratic party and need to give white males some benefits to get them to come in...
The proposal is simply to aggressively call out white male bashing and reverse Jim Crow for what it is and call for civil rights for white males. They'll laugh and mock the use of such a term, at first, but quickly panic as the remaining rube white males flee the Democrat party and voter participation soars. In addition, it will reveal that the left has little going for it other than race and gender entitlements. It's a win-win because it's not only good for winning elections, but the right thing to do.
KennesawJack| 2.6.13 @ 2:03PM
PK, Civil Rights for White Males. What a concept. I like it.
PolishKnight| 2.6.13 @ 2:12PM
Well duh. Let's look at it this way: Imagine you're a black man during Jim Crow and hearing politicians yammer about abortion or even communism. Would you care? I can't blame them if they didn't. In their day-to-day lives, they had second class citizenship.
Sure, the left can say that for rich CEO's of privilege, it doesn't matter but for ordinary working and middle class white males, civil rights are important. We're all just one sexual harassment accusation away from losing a job. Or going to prison if your wife decides to call the police and say you "hit her".
Look at this as similar to those pre-flight briefings: You can't take care of the kids until you put your OWN oxygen mask on, first. I don't care about abortion, one way or the other, at this point. F' it. Fix this first. Or lose elections.
CJW| 2.6.13 @ 3:15PM
PK
What you seem to be saying is to end affirmative action and quotas based on sex, race, etc. Treat each equally based on merit. With that I agree, and that is a winning issue to end quotas and affirmative action. Reagan campaigned on this issue, but generally white politicians are afraid to touch this issue for fear of charges of racism.
PolishKnight| 2.6.13 @ 3:43PM
I was too young to vote for RR's first term and I don't recall campaign ads on TV at the time. I imagine that if this was a campaign issue, I would have heard more about it and freaking out from the left even though I was a junior in H.S. at the time. I do know that he remarked about it from time to time, but not heavily.
After he attained office, he had the opportunity to aggressive address racial quotas via the justice department. He could have charged companies with racial discrimination against whites and men in several cases, but I don't think he did. He then appointed an affirmative action supporter to the S.C.
So even if RR said a few things, he was about as tough on AA as GWB was on illegal immigration. Imagine if RR had put as much effort into opposing AA as, say, drugs.
But sure, I'm "saying" end affirmative action and quotas. Absolutely. But also "diversity" which is leftist code for "too many white guys" (note that an office filled with black women will NEVER be charged as being un"divese") I read a cite from a government agency saying that a district in Los Angeles which was 90% black and 10% white was more "diverse" than a region which was 50% white and mixed ethnicity.
It's just white male bashing. That's all it is. If you read their blogs and google "white male", you'll see them seething with bashing white guys. White men leftists are no better than George "here's your eviction notice, Heil Hitler" Soros.
canuckistani| 2.6.13 @ 12:44PM
Why do you keep referencing the "founders" as some sage source of advice of how to deal with wholly modern issues?
Washington made his name and dough defending the crown from another crown. Many of the founders made their dough off the backs of free labor and preferential trade practices under the same imperial auspices.
They got all uppity when one crown fighting another crown actually needed dough to pay for empire - that each of the founders had profited from and were protected cozily in their colonial manors.
It is interesting even the earliest Americans refused to pony up for opportunistic expeditions as they refused to do with Iraq.
The founders, under increasing pressure to "do something" to correct Jefferson's failed economic policies and juvenile foreign view, unprovokedly attacked the British in 1812, nearly ceded the country and ended up in an embarrassing stalemate - the only vestige being a bar song being turned into an almost unsingable national anthem that young people know zero about its source and story.
We need new "founders" if we are to thrive in this century, and constitutional renewal is step one.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 12:53PM
And, the Bible is too old, as well.
We need a New Bible, to go along with our New Lord and Savior: Barack Hussein Obama (Hat Tip Jamie Fucxx) if we are to survive as a Third World Country in this Century.
Idiot.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 12:57PM
And, as far as our "Unprovoked attack against the British"?
As I recall, they were Boarding our Trade Ships, on the High Seas, and Pressing our Sailors into THEIR NAVY by force.
Again: IDIOT.
PolishKnight| 2.6.13 @ 2:06PM
The burning of DC and the White House was payback from the Brits for sacking of Canadian cities. So sure, it was a dumb war but ironically, helped to make America into a superpower rather than a backwater. Later on, the aggressiveness would be used to push for expansion to the Pacific. Not saying that's right but it is part of what made the Continental USA (and Hawaii).
Regarding Jefferson. My history teacher says that if Jefferson had just pushed on a little longer, his embargo could have worked and he would have gotten the terms he wanted. Same thing with the Islamic pirates. Both are tragic failures in policy that could have turned out otherwise. But even so, simply paying off pirates was a bad precedent and good for the states for not buying into it.
Seek| 2.6.13 @ 2:54PM
Correction: America was NOT made into a superpower as the result of the War 1812. Any competent student of American history knows that the transformative event was the Spanish-American War. It was 1898, during the McKinley administration, in which we joined the "big leagues" for real, and with a downside as well as an upside.
PolishKnight| 2.6.13 @ 3:45PM
Semantic quibble: I deliberately said "helped to make" America into a superpower in that it made the USA more aggressive.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 4:22PM
You got a problem with that?
Big Bob| 2.6.13 @ 1:33PM
classic view: human nature has no history or track record. Therefore, principles and foundational concepts could not possible be appropriate for any length of time...especially if someone disagrees with those principles. Then we can change the rules every day depending upon who is the bully de jour!!!
nathan| 2.6.13 @ 3:17PM
Your question deserves an answer sir. Why the FOUNDERS? We know all too well their personal shortcomings, the ones from the south, Washington, Madison, Jefferson, all were slave holders. Yes, we know this. So why show undue deference to anything they did or said?
Because the principles they enunciated had never been done so in forums like that before. And they made the strongest case possible for individual rights, for limited government, for the supremacy of the rights of individuals over the authority of the state. The "unalienable rights" doctrine, which granted TJ cribbed from George Mason, still is basically the first time where we see that rights come from the "Creator" not from mere mortals, and given that, mere mortals cannot take them away, not by decree, not by majority votes. Madison, albeit compelled to write the Bill of Rights makes it clear that there are limits to what the government can do to "people", "persons" never "Americans" he never restricts those rights. And that sir arguably forms the foundation for true "conservatism". Again note Madison's famous quote on "benevolence" spending. All people, them included have personal flaws, but they were most gifted political thinkers ever collected in one place in this history of this planet.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 4:23PM
Wow.
You actually got one right.
Go figure.
Von Mises Jr| 2.6.13 @ 9:36AM
Remember that you cannot argue with stupid without resorting to being stupid yourself. And I know you are a bright guy, CJW.
CJW| 2.6.13 @ 10:45AM
Von,
I do not mean to argue with the lefty purps, but only to use their lefty drivel to state the correct view. It is fun to mock and ridicule the purps, though, it is like low hanging fruit.You are right they are stupid.
Thanks for the compliment, I have the highest regard for you and always read your comments. I took your advice to get a copy of Dr Sowell's "Intellectuals and Society." It should be mandatory reading for our Congress.
C. Vernon Crisler | 2.6.13 @ 9:47AM
Nathan, one thing conservatives aren't is McGovernites. That's what you, Jackboot, Ron Paul and the rest of the Lew Rockwell loons are.
Jack in Wi| 2.6.13 @ 12:45PM
Chisler: Bring the troops home now. Eough blood and treasure has been spent to prop up your putrid pimple in the the Middle East. It is time for the greatest welfare queen in the history of the world stood on it's own 2 feet. End all foreign aid now. I can't think of a war ever worth fighting. We won WW2 so we could give Hitler's partner, Stalin, half of Europe and all of China. To hell with you Neocon chickenhawks.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 1:05PM
Like the Broken Clock that he is, Jack makes some good points, concerning Bringing our Troops home.
Unless we need Spotters on the ground, to Direct Nuclear Submarines fired from our Submarines? We should get out of Afghanistan.
We don't need to deploy some 30,000 Sitting Ducks in South Korea.
And, we certainly don't need American Troops in Africa, to protect a Muslim Warlord from a Christian one.
Get'em all outta these places, and use that Money for more Neutron Bombs.
C. Vernon Crisler | 2.6.13 @ 4:13PM
Hmm, I just said conservatives aren't McGovernites. Jackboot takes the gratuitous opportunity to insult Israel for the thousandth time. Can you say obssessed?
Can't think of a war ever worth fighting? How about the Revolutionary War?
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 4:24PM
I know.
He just can't help himself.
Jack in Wi| 2.6.13 @ 6:42PM
I am going to insult Israel until hell freezes over or it gets it's hands out of the pockets of the American taxpayer. That disgrace to humanity owns our Congress and President, using our own laundered foreign aid to bribe, blackmail and intimidate them. Letting scum like Kristol, the Kagans, Podhoretz, and Perle run our foreign policy has destroyed the Republican Party. I said if Romney gave into them he would never be elected. I was right again.
Doctor Right| 2.6.13 @ 7:17PM
Again?
When was the last time?
Appleby| 2.6.13 @ 7:11AM
The East Coast Gucci Gulch "moderates" are readying another of themselves for coronation as Our Only Hope, and trying to prepare the way to make sure none of us who won't support such a candidate will get in their way. Good Luck With That.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 7:53AM
There's our Girl. Obviously back from another Mens Room Meeting.
With all due respect, QH? You are not a Conservative. At least, not an American One. You're more like a Seat Filler for Ben Stein, while he's in between his Adventures of driving around America with no pants on, And parking at Walmarts to look at the Girls walk bye with their Moms. All the while wishing he was Bob Menendez, and the Walmart Parking Lot he's sitting in was the Airport in the Dominican Republic.
In fact, the only person writing at this place that even resembles a Conservative is Dr. Sowell. And, if I might make a suggestion? Professor Walter E. Williams would make a wonderful addition to this motley Roster.
"John Boehnor is the most Atitudinal Conservative Speaker of the House since at least The Great Depression" which means WHAT, exactly?
It means that he's a CINO. It means that he's not Really a Conservative, but he stayed at a Holiday Inn last night. And, that's good enough for Quinn.
What he calls "Cannibalism", I call Weeding.
When he decries Conservatives for fighting over a little thing like "Where to Draw the Line in a Negotiation" with The Dark Side.
I say, that's a good Fight to have. Last I looked, the Left doesn't draw lines in the sand. Lines in the sand are for people RETREATING.
They're for Quinn's guys.
Pecos Pete| 2.6.13 @ 9:08AM
Matt Purple is up there with Dr. Sowell. Dr. Williams would be an excellent addition to the TAS authors.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 10:11AM
Ya wanna know how good Matt Purple is?
I've had The Contest at his house, Twice, I think.
I'm thinking that you're just tired, and that's why you accidentally wrote down: "Matt Purple" when you were really thinkin: "TLP".
I could use a guy like you. I need someone to fill in for Albert at The Contest, when he leaves for his 2 O'clock Happy Hour/Nap/Early Bird Dinner Special.
Always looking for Good People at TLP Ltd, fyi.
I'm just sayin.
Pecos Pete| 2.6.13 @ 10:42AM
No one can compete with Albert and his commentary. ♪♫♪♫
Joellen| 2.6.13 @ 7:25AM
Have you all noticed the Liberals NEVER attack each other and the RINO's never attack the Liberals.
Hillary is responsible for the murder of FOUR Americans.
The only one who somewhat challenged her, Senator Rand Paul.
Menedez is accused of sexual misconduct with a minor - I hear NOTHING from the RINO's in office, and of course Harry Reid has been out there defending this stellar individual.
The RINO Governor of Jersey has a man crush on Obama JUST because Obama flew over the Jersey Shore - cause you know - that cured ALL our problems - just that flyover. And now because of his declared love, Chistie gets to eat all the donuts he wants on Letterman.
I will never defend anyone who goes against the Constitutuion - whether they be a Republican or a Democrat.
My loyalty is to AMERICA not to a party and I am pretty sure that's what President Ronald Reagans loyalty was to.
CJW| 2.6.13 @ 7:48AM
Joellen
Good morning. I agree.
The Dems spent 8 years and counting attacking Bush for "torture" of the captured terrorists. Now we learn Obama claims he has legal authority, based on the Congress authorization of the "Bush" wars and as CC, to kill American citizens abroad who HE believes are members of Al Quaeda and "affiliated groups."
Imagine if Bush said that. If you follow this to its logical conclusion, Obama can order the killing of an American in the USA if he believes he is a member of Al Quaeda or an affiliated group.
AljazeeraGore may qualify as an affiliated group. Where is the liberal outcry against this?
nathan| 2.6.13 @ 7:59AM
You will note that liberals are not at all happy with that position. The question CJW, are you and others? We're talking about Americans who are nowhere near a battlefield who never took up arms against us. No judge was involved in the decison. I can't imagine Madison, author of the Fifth Amendment supporting this. And I have yet to see Sean, Rush, or Mark criticize this decision.
One of the Doolittle Raiders was captured by the Japanese and subject to waterboarding. Go look at HIS description of that method of interrogation and then decide for yourself based on a quote from an AMERICAN POW who was subject to it whether you still think it's not torture. I guarantee you HE thought it was. But again read books like Torture and Impunity, Fear Up Harsh, Ghost Plane, and so many others. Ask the Canadian who was sent to Syria if he thought he was tortured. And again, these simply weren't isolated incidents.
And this goes to my question again, what is a conservative? Is support for those policies during the Bush era "conservative"?
CJW| 2.6.13 @ 8:11AM
As usual you are upset only about what the USA does.
If the president now claims authority to kill American citizens abroad suspected of membership in Al Quaeda or affiliated groups (Aljazeera?), that should be authorized by Congress. Under Obama's policy the next logical power will be to kill Americans in the USA so suspected. No, I do not agree with this power for any president.
Again, you have daily complaints, but what are your specific concrete proposals?
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 1:12PM
Actually, their Waterboarding was not anything like ours is.
They poured the water right down their throats, and many men drowned.
There was No Towel. No Doctor standing there. And, no Bleeding Hearts, like you, cryin the blues for people who would've NUKED New York on 911, if they had one.
In the words of your Black Jesus and the Wife of The Rapist: "If it saves one life" and: "What difference does it make?".
Put your hands back in your pants, and stop Bothering everyone.
nathan| 2.6.13 @ 3:25PM
Sir please you make distinctions with0ut differences. Water whatever induces a feeling of drowning however you do it. It is that feeling that you are going to drown that is the "torture" part of it and makes it so effective which is why it has been employed for centuries going back to the Inquisition and before. Again you and others find yourself defending an interrogation method employed by the Inquisition whom nothing good is ever spoken of. Explain if you will why waterboarding was named in bills of indictment against Japanese war criminals. Explain why at least one, probably more than American in Vietnam was courtmartialed for this and forced out of the service. Explain why president "Teddy" Roosevelt sacked an American general during the Philippine Insurrection over this. How after 100 years of precedents like this does it go from being a war crime that WE proscecute to suddenly being "enhanced" and acceptable. We can't complain about others doing it and then turn around and do it ourselves. We at all times have to walk it the way we talk it. If it was wrong for the Japanese to do it, it's wrong for us.
But you and I have a problem. You really haven't read any of the books I cite, have you?
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 4:27PM
There's a HUGE DIFFERENCE between "Feeling" that you're Drowning, and actually Drowning.
If you'd like me to show you?
You know where to find me.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 4:28PM
"If it saves one life."
STFU.
Arnie| 2.6.13 @ 8:09AM
CJW, I'm actually in total agreement with you.
"The Dems spent 8 years and counting attacking Bush for "torture" of the captured terrorists. Now we learn Obama claims he has legal authority, based on the Congress authorization of the "Bush" wars and as CC, to kill American citizens abroad who HE believes are members of Al Quaeda and "affiliated groups.""
Bush's and Obama's policies regarding this area of national defense are an inhumane, and an international disgrace. Not to mention, illegal. I hope whoever is the next president, puts an end to these policies. I think Democrats, and Republicans alike should force Obama to end this policy now.
CJW| 2.6.13 @ 8:16AM
I did not oppose the interrogation of the three terrorists, especially since it produced the info to kill Osama. Congress did authorize the wars, but we should have left Afghan in 2002, and Iraq after the capture of Hussein (Sadam). If Obama believes this policy is necessary it should be debated and approved by Congress, and not rely on a legal memo written by Holder's Justice Dept.
Arnie| 2.6.13 @ 8:37AM
I oppose torture and acts of terror by anybody, including by the U.S. government. That is what has been happening. I'm using the Geneva Conventions as my point of reference.
And 2, I don't think we should leave it up to Congress if Americans should or should not have a day in court. Don't be so partisan CJW. Stand up for what is right.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 1:16PM
If you actually believed in the Geneva Convention?
You would AGREE that everyone of these Scumbags, captured on the Battlefield, woulda been put up against a Wall, and SHOT.
Perhaps, you should actually READ the Geneva Convention.
nathan| 2.6.13 @ 3:29PM
I actually have and they are very clear. Once someone puts down their weapon you can't touch them humiliate them, harm them in any way. You can induce pain in them even if it doesn't leave marks or permanent damage. Go back and read Geneva and Hague. And the JAGS agree with me not with you. And also Washington does too. He demanded POW's under his control not be abused at any time for any reason. Find a quote from him that supports YOUR position, not mine. If you don't mind sir, I'm comfortable standing with the Father of the Country on this one.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 4:32PM
If they are not in Uniform.
If they do not have an Insignia, identifying them as a Combatent of a Particular Nation.
If they do not have their Weapons in plain sight.
They will be considered SPIES, and may be EXECUTED, upon their Capture.
Is that Clear enough for you?
Von Mises Jr| 2.6.13 @ 9:39AM
My friend, you probably put $10 in the pocket of a troll. If there Marxist tricks from "Rules for Radicals" are ineffective, old Georgie Soros will not waste his money.
CJW| 2.6.13 @ 10:27AM
Von
Maybe we are keeping the purps of the welfare rolls and having Soros pay them? They have found their life's work.
Real Deal| 2.25.13 @ 9:54AM
This is how it should have been done. We should have gone in flattened the joint and left. We should have sent the clear message that if a regime that is hostile to the US comes to power we'd be back to flatten them too.
Arnie| 2.6.13 @ 8:02AM
"Hillary is responsible for the murder of FOUR Americans."
Really Joellen? By your standards, George Bush is then responsible for the murders of over 8000 Americans.
Arnie| 2.6.13 @ 8:03AM
Actually, make that 10,000. He screwed up the response to Hurricane Katrina as well.
Joellen| 2.6.13 @ 8:27AM
Really Arnie, Hillary supported the war so add to the 4 + 8,000 and then your 10,000.
As for your Hurricane Katrina comment - how's Ray, being indicated on 21 criminal acts, Nagin doing? You remember him right Arnie, he's the Mayor who just said NO to President Bush's FEMA supplies.
But because you cant fix stupid, I am sure you blame Bush for the blackout Sunday.
Arnie| 2.6.13 @ 8:33AM
Touche, but Bush allowed 3000 Americans to be murdered on Sept. 11. Because he screwed up. Like you are accusing Hillary of doing.
4 vs. 3000? Yea, Bush sucked in so many ways.
Arnie| 2.6.13 @ 8:35AM
And just to be clear, it wasn't Hillary Clinton that had Rumsfeld in charge of the war.
Arnie| 2.6.13 @ 8:43AM
Nor Brownie, in charge of FEMA, which affected WAY more than just New Orleans guys.
Joellen| 2.6.13 @ 8:56AM
No, it was her husband BUBBA who was responsible for 9/11; just like he was responsible for the first WTC attack, Mogadisha; The USS Cole, the rape of Juanita Broadrick, the demoralizing of our culture, etc (so please dont talk about suck when there is a Clinton name in the sentence).
CJW| 2.6.13 @ 9:00AM
Bubba is responsible for Sept 11, 2001. He did not respond to the 1993 WTC attack, the Khobar Towers, the two embassy attacks (sound familiar), the USS Cole, and treated them as criminal investigations instead of terrorist attacks. He created the wall between the FBI and CIA to not share info on terrorists. He just did not do his job as CC, too busy with the Monicas, selling pardons, and fighting the vast right wing conspiracy instead of fighting the terrorists.
Mrs Bubba and Obama are responsible for Sept 11, 2012.
Arnie| 2.6.13 @ 9:17AM
Bush and Cheney were in charge for almost 9 months be Sept. 11 happened. And they were repeatedly warned about an imminent attack. They totally dropped the ball. You guys are really stretching there to blame Sept. 11 on Clinton.
Bush was in charge, and it was on his watch. Period.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 10:17AM
Why are you people arguing with him.
Go buy a Dog and teach him to play something by Motzart, on the Piano, in E flat.
It's the same thing, except the dog will only lick his own Crotch.
CJW| 2.6.13 @ 10:29AM
I taught my wife's cat to say "It is Bush's fault" so I can be ready for the purps of the day.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 11:12AM
Now, when you say you're wife's cat...........................?
Anthony| 2.6.13 @ 1:09PM
More revisionist history by troll Arnie. Bush was barely in office 8 months, the Ds held up his key cabinet appointments in a snit over Gore. There was no intel about 9/11 only hypotheticals about what a terrorist group might do.
Bill Clinton allowed the 1st WTC bombing and refused to deal with it as an act of terror. He called it a criminal act. They were treated as criminals, not terrorists.
Obozo and Hillary watched Bengahzi in real time. The ambassador begged for more security but Obozo did not want a military presence. Over EIGHT embassy attacks under Hillary, not a word from the media or trolls, like Arnie. Fast & Furious = accessories to MURDER.
And now Obozo can drop drones on Americans and the left has no problem with it. Imagine if this was Bush.
I hope Obozo drops a few drones on a few lefty drones, would serve you right Arnie.KABOOM
KennesawJack| 2.6.13 @ 1:25PM
So, Arnie, if your argument is correct, it logically follows that Obamarx is wholly responsible for this dismal damned economy, or do you lefties selectively decide which issues have carryover and which don't?
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 4:34PM
They selectively decide which issues have carryover, and which do not.
Big Bob| 2.6.13 @ 1:41PM
wow. Hard to argue with that!! It's hard to argue because is not a speck of reason anywhere. As for the Islamic attack on our Twin Towers, please tell us all just how Bush could stopped that? Eh? Nice and loud now!! Because what was going on in Benghazi should not have been going on. And she has refused to even discuss it. She had administrative control over the event....direct control. That means the buck stops with her highness. She belongs in jail being tried for stupid and arrogance. But since we don't do that, she gives the congress the finger and tries to act like the victim. Bush was a mensch about it and behaved in a manner that the Clintons could only dream about.
Arnie| 2.6.13 @ 2:43PM
You guys are a joke. Your insincerity shines right through. You don't give a shit about 4 dead lives in Benghazi. If you did, you would care about the thousands of deaths that resulted from the wars. But you are partisan hacks blinded by loyalty to your retarded God, W.
He messed up big time, with the wars, and with Sept. 11. And you guys simply can't accept it.
Go ahead and blame Clinton and Obama for everything. It just goes to show you guys talk a lot about responsibility, but can't actually have any for yourselves, or expect it of your leaders. You fascist roots are showing, because you need a scapegoat for all the problems in the world. You voted for the retard, W. Admit you made a mistake. It's all on your conscience, not mine.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 4:36PM
Over 2,000 American Dead, in Afghanistan, since Black Jesus came to power.
Understand?
Doctor Right| 2.6.13 @ 9:34AM
Really?
That's interesting, because it was Democrat (and soon to be indicted) Mayor Ray Nagin who refused to evacuate the city, and Democrat Gov. Kathleen Blanco who initially refused Federal Aid, and who was booted out-of-office at the next election cycle.
Your SOLE rationale for thinking that Katrina - and the horrible infrastructure of DEMOCRAT New Orleans - is somehow Bush's fault is a picture of Bush looking out the window as Air Force 1 flew over New Orleans.
Bush, unlike Obama, wisely chose to NOT make an appearance, knowing that it would be a needless distraction. FEMA was already on-the-ground, and if you don't like bureaucratic federal agencies then join the club, but Bush didn't create the bureaucracy.
The disaster of Katrina can be laid WHOLLY at the feet of the Democrats who controlled Louisiana and New Orleans for decades. The levees were built to withstand ONLY a Category 3 hurricane at the direction of state agencies. And the citizens of New Orleans - cowed into submission by a lifestyle that makes them dependent on Government for their very existence - didn't even possess the initiative to get out of danger. Instead, they sat and waited for government to rescue them...and waited...and waited.
PolishKnight| 2.6.13 @ 10:17AM
Propaganda is an interesting thing. When Katrina blew in through town, the local corrupt Democrats allowed hundreds of schools busses to sit in the water. It was political correctness that caused a delay in first responders who had to take "sensitivity classes". Verdict: GW's fault.
Then Hurricane Sandy hits and again, Democrat fumbling. Conclusion: Obama did a great job and he rides to victory.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 4:39PM
Please, don't forget that Golden Boy spent 5 Days FUND RAISING, while New Orleans was UNDER WATER after the latest Hurricane to hit New Orleans.
I guess he Hates Black People.
Right?
Anthony| 2.6.13 @ 8:22AM
You're a joke Arnie. By your warped mind, then FDR is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans in WWII.
And yes, Hillary is directly responsible for the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi due to her criminal neglect. Just as Obozo and Holder are accessories to the murder of agents Zapata and Terry for putting weapons in the hands of Merican drug cartels.
And Mayor Nagin and Gov. Blanco caused the deaths in New Orleans, not Bush, idiot.
CJW| 2.6.13 @ 8:28AM
Bush is also responsible for the 35 minute delay during the SB that almost cost the Ravens to lose. The power outtage is a lingering effect of Katrina.
Arnie| 2.6.13 @ 9:23AM
Hey Anthony, how is that campaign for Sarah Palin going?
Instead of sending her money, why don't you donate it to disabled veterans. It will be money better spent. You know, all those veterans created from the Bush wars need some help.
http://www.dvnf.org/
Doctor Right| 2.6.13 @ 9:35AM
More Americans have died in Afghanistan since January, 2009, than died during the entire period before that date.
Now let's see...what incompetent, Muslim-loving President took over in 2009..?
Arnie| 2.6.13 @ 9:59AM
Doctor Right, these are the facts about U.S. military deaths in recent years. And these figures do not include private contractor deaths, which were also huge during the Bush years:
Bush:
Iraq - 4,236
Afghanistan - 635
Total: 4,871
Obama:
Iraq - 250
Afghanistan - 1,542
Total: 1,792
Well, it seems Obama has a long way to get close to the incompetence of Bush. That will be kinda difficult considering he ended one war, will be ending the other quite soon.
Doctor Right| 2.6.13 @ 10:56AM
Nice try.
But considering that Iraq was basically over by the time Obama took office, that's an absurd comparison.
Also absurd is the fact that Afghanistan was under control until Obama's idiotic policies took root.
Obama has been in charge of Afghanistan since January, 2009. Bush had it for 7 years. 635 died under Bush in 7 years; 1,500 died under Obama in 4.
Stick to beer; you're clueless on reality.
Arnie| 2.6.13 @ 11:21AM
"But considering that Iraq was basically over by the time Obama took office, that's an absurd comparison.
Also absurd is the fact that Afghanistan was under control until Obama's idiotic policies took root."
LOL
Neither statements are true.
KennesawJack| 2.6.13 @ 1:28PM
Arnie, you forgot to add in Chicago and Detroit.
Doctor Right| 2.6.13 @ 7:19PM
Actually, both are 100% true.
Anthony| 2.6.13 @ 12:48PM
Careful troll Arnie,Obozo might hear you and drop a drone down your little hovel. KABOOM.
No more Arnie, oh too bad!!!
CJW| 2.6.13 @ 1:41PM
If you listen to AljazeeraGore Network,
that may qualify as affiliated with terrorists,
then you get the Obama drone instead of the Obama phone.
KennesawJack| 2.6.13 @ 2:00PM
CJ, I thought it was Gorjazeera (or maybe it was Aljagora?) Damn! All these freakin' Muslim environmetalists running around, I can't keep 'em straight. No! Wait! Gore is the ENVIRONMENTALIST who SOLD to the OIL MONEY Muslims. Now I get it. Its new name should be Aljagorus! Simple, when you think about it.
Joellen| 2.6.13 @ 9:10AM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN - WE SURE DO MISS YOU - But truly you are with our LORD & SAVIOR - FOR YOU WERE A STEADFAST WARRIOR FOR GOD & COUNTRY!
7-08| 2.6.13 @ 7:39AM
To refute the defense of Boehner or to placate some faction by tempering the rhetoric of politics will serve no purpose. There are three tenants of conservatism worth touting; they are a simple mantra, and currently the only means to the end. The failure to uphold these principles will result, not in a tempering or delay, but the very end of our Nation as a Republic.
They are Smaller Government, Less Taxation, and More Personal Freedom – the Tea Party doctrine.
A slur is not a slur if it is the vehicle of truth, and the defense of the perpetrators does not relieve guilt. The “death” of the Republicans (as well as the Republic) cannot be denied; nor can its demise be attributed or rationalized by straw men such as Tea Party Patriots, libertarians, Godless fornicators, or the ghouls performing late term abortions.
No one is trying to kill off the establishment; we are simply informing you that you are committing suicide. We are also informing you that the “captains” going down with the Republican ship does not mean we will sing alone with the band the pundits instead of getting on the Tea Party Life Boats.
If you do not care for us pointing out that, as Representatives, you have failed and will continue to fail because you have abandoned the principles for which we stand – do not complain, simply do the job for which we elected you.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 8:00AM
There's a 4th, actually.
A Strong Military.
Nice Comment, just the same.
Has anyone from New Mexico ever told you that you should be writing Movie and Poetry Analogies, on the Weekends?
It's true.
7-08| 2.6.13 @ 1:01PM
The only time I was ever in New Mexico was on that hang gliding trip with Gary Johnson.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 1:18PM
Did you notice a guy Milking his Horses?
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 1:20PM
So, I'm assuming that you pissed your Vote away, last November.
7-08| 2.6.13 @ 1:27PM
Sure did, voted for Romney. And despite my libertarian vernacular I have ALWAYS voted for the Republican (starting with Nixon).
C. Vernon Crisler | 2.6.13 @ 9:51AM
I'm afraid your definition of conservatism is really a definition of libertarianism. Conservatives also support a strong national defense and more importantly objective moral and cultural norms.
7-08| 2.6.13 @ 11:27AM
I could not agree with you and TLP more, my bad. The only defense I offer for my omission is that a strong military is so basic to me that I see it as obvious.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 1:19PM
You would think.
Teflon93 | 2.6.13 @ 7:42AM
Of course Quin seeks the unilateral disarmament of conservatives in the fight for control of the Republican Party. He knows full well that the RINO Establishment---which ran one of their own against Ronald Reagan to split the ticket in 1980---does nothing but criticize conservatives while laying prostrate for their liberal Democrat opponents.
But what can you expect from somebody who believes Jennifer Rubin of all people to be a conservative?
Doctor Right| 2.6.13 @ 7:50AM
"Conservatives almost certainly spent more time bashing John Boehner—who, despite his flaws, is the most attitudinally conservative House Speaker since at least the Great Depression."
Sorry, Mr. Hilyer, but that is absolute nonsense.
John Boehner worked to undermine Conservative Tea Party candidates in 2010. He and his cronies then switched gears to infiltrate and control the Tea Party House Freshman as soon as they arrived in DC. And Boehner has now locked arms with Karl Rove to actively fight Conservative Tea Party candidates in the run-up to 2014.
Boehner is nothing more than another careerist GOP hack who is more concerned about his own power than he is about the country. And he has a lot of friends.
And that's why I keep urging all like-minded Conservatives to stop expecting any progress from the GOP that will restore this nation. They don't have the stomach for the fight, but what's more, they have NO intention of doing so.
The GOP is done. Send them a message: Quit.
Conservatives are not fighting each other; we're fighting the GOP.
Drunken Sailor| 2.6.13 @ 10:22AM
Conservatives are fighting each other and the GOP. I think that is what Quinn was getting at. Scroll through the blog post of any article on this site and you will see the evidence. We all lump on the left trolls but if one conservative on here disagrees in the slightest with another, watch the attacks.
Libertarians seem to be the odds on favorites for that. Even if you agree with most of what they say, heaven help you if you disagree with one item.
The left is ruining this country but there is one thing they do better than the right and that is set aside their minor differences to push their goals. They have been doing it for years and the right better take note of their tactics if we ever hope to fix this mess and restore this country.
The right needs to learn that even if you can't make drastic moves back to the right, small ones are the next best thing. Every move counts. Until we learn that lesson we are doomed to be fought to a standstill at best.
CJW| 2.6.13 @ 10:31AM
DS
Well said, I agree. Enjoy the book by Webb, it is very good.
Drunken Sailor| 2.6.13 @ 10:57AM
Already dropped the hint to the wife, that I have both our anniversary and a birthday coming up. Now she can't say I never tell her what I want.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 1:21PM
I'm sure that you always tell your Wife what you want.
I'm also sure that she never does it.
Drunken Sailor| 2.6.13 @ 1:58PM
How did you get my home phone# ? Are you my brother in law?
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 2:31PM
Maybe you should put some ice on that?
Drunken Sailor| 2.6.13 @ 2:53PM
Sounds like your wife has been giving you advice on swelling again.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 4:42PM
No.
I've just been reading your Posts.
Doctor Right| 2.6.13 @ 11:00AM
The major disagreement within the Conservative sphere is the schism between those who still persist in sticking with the GOP - despite all evidence that it's a losing proposition - and those who won't...like me.
I doubt that I disagree much on policy, even with people on this forum who annoy me.
But that schism is a big one...and it revolves around the GOP.
Drunken Sailor| 2.6.13 @ 11:33AM
Wasn't pointing fingers at you DR. just noting the obvious problem we have in our conservative right.
CJW| 2.6.13 @ 7:51AM
Quin
You must have been reading the comments on this site from all those who believe the best tactics and stategy to beat the Dems is to not vote or vote third party.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 8:11AM
You're Beatin a Dead Horse.
Quinn agrees with Jeb and Karl and Eric.
He's got no problem with John McCain and Lidnsay Graham, and all the others who are in this for THEMSELVES, and Screw You and Me.
The Senate is Full of'em.
Why Rock the Boat, when you've got one of the Better Cabins?
CJW| 2.6.13 @ 8:18AM
Tim
You may be correct, but what do we do?
Joellen| 2.6.13 @ 8:31AM
Morning MEN - CJW - answer to what do we do - PRAY and prepare!
CJW| 2.6.13 @ 8:46AM
Pray, prepare, and fight. As Barry Goldwater said, grow up conservatives and take the party back.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 11:14AM
Since you asked.......
I think you should get a gun. I think you should put on a shirt with a Picture of Obama on the front, with a Crosshairs over his face, and stand out in front of the Police Station waving the Gun around, while reading - as loud as you can - from the Manifesto that I'm emailing you, as we speak.
If you do this?
Things are gonna happen.
p.s. Let me know if anything goes wrong. Though, frankly, I can't imagine any problems.
7-08| 2.6.13 @ 1:04PM
I did that this morning and they all came out, hoisted me on their shoulders and carried me down to the do-nut shop. (I do not live on the left coast.)
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 1:23PM
See, CJW?
DO IT!
CJW| 2.6.13 @ 1:44PM
Too much work just for a donut.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 2:33PM
What about 2 Doughnuts?
Will you do it for 2 Doughnuts?
Drunken Sailor| 2.6.13 @ 2:55PM
Hell, for two donuts I'll even wear your tutu.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 4:44PM
I think that you're confusing me, with John II.
Pecos Pete| 2.6.13 @ 9:16AM
Elect Conservatives at local and state levels, and then do our best to elect Conservatives to Congress. The national GOP is a waste of time. The national GOP is a part of the Ruling Class, RINOs all.
Drunken Sailor| 2.6.13 @ 10:24AM
Exactly Pecos. Change the movement from the bottom up. Change the goverment base and you change the party.
CJW| 2.6.13 @ 10:33AM
The tea party has been doing that which is the reason it scares the Dems and MSM.
Doctor Right| 2.6.13 @ 11:03AM
Local GOP pols likely have bigger ambitions. To that end, they are ultimately beholden to the national GOP machine.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 10:30AM
Since you asked.......
I think you should get a gun. I think you should put on a shirt with a Picture of Obama on the front, with a Crosshairs over his face, and stand out in front of the Police Station waving the Gun around, while reading - as loud as you can - from the Manifesto that I'm emailing you, as we speak.
If you do this?
Things are gonna happen.
p.s. Let me know if anything goes wrong. Though, frankly, I can't imagine any problems.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 10:31AM
That was for CJW.
Doctor Right| 2.6.13 @ 11:02AM
Ditch the GOP.
Even Limbaugh is coming around to the inevitable idea that it's the GOP who's at risk of becoming a meaningless 3rd Party due to their alienation of Conservatives and the Tea Party.
Bob Grant| 2.6.13 @ 8:44AM
"Why Rock the Boat, when you've got one of the Better Cabins?"
As with the Titanic, the fact that some people had better cabins than others wasn't enough to keep them from the bottom of the ocean like the rest.
Quin Hillyer| 2.6.13 @ 12:05PM
Just for the record, I was the one years ago who devoted an entire column to describing Graham as "The Worst Republican Senator," I've repeatedly and vociferously criticized McCain -- and, if you people could read, you would see that in this article I endorse criticism (constructive) on the right. What I don't endorse is cannibalism -- of the sort that so often shows up in comments here.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 4:45PM
We can read.
You're an Establishment Republican.
Quit cryin.
MelvinNC| 2.6.13 @ 7:53AM
"Aware that it was impossible to discredit all of they're opponents at once, the Communist parties (Community Organizers) of each country started nibbling around the edges. This is what the Hungarians called Salami tactics. removing ones rivals a slice at a time.
Next the Communists would engineer splits amongst their rivals. They would try to discredit certain factions of other parties and pressurize they're leaders into disowning these factions. Or they would would invite rivals to join them in a united front." Keith Lowe Savage Continent, The subjugation of Eastern Europe.
This, "Salami Tactic," is being used with great success in keeping the Republican Establishment divided from the Tea Party. Observe how members of the Tea Party have been savaged by Establishment Republicans, and this savagery can be furthered by attacks on Conservatives as, "The bitter clingers."
Guns and Immigration are two of the largest concerns of Conservatives, and Obama is further dividing the party by inviting Republicans to join with him and the Democrats to create the illusion of a, "United Front."
People, we are being attacked from the inside by Marxists. I just don't know how to make others recognize this.
OP4| 2.6.13 @ 8:11AM
The GOP is supposed to be "rule-of-law" party. If you want peace, the party leadership better start playing fair.
I'm not a big Ron Paul fan (although I do like Rand). But I was absolutely disgusted by the last second rule changes at the convention used to exclude Paul delegates. It was also an incredibly stupid move to shun the youngest and most enthusiastic segment of the party.
As long as the Rino's running the party don't play fair, there won't be peace. And they won't get any of my money.
Derek Leaberry| 2.6.13 @ 8:12AM
If certain "conservatives" and Republicans insist on surrendering on immigration control, then it will have to be political civil war.
Anthony| 2.6.13 @ 8:15AM
Look Quin, America is in a state of civil war. If you choose to ignore this fact, you do so at your peril.
Obozo and his radical leftist allies are" all in" for the destruction of the conservative movement. We are clearly, as Mark Levin says, in a "post Constitutiional republic" and things are only getting worse.
We have Republican quislings, whose only desire in life, is to remain in power no matter what the cost is to America.
Be it John McLame, John Kasich, Colin Powell, Chris Christie, Boehner, McConnell and any number of elected Rs, nobody is willing to stand for America and make the hard calls because it might hurt their political viability or standing in the ruling class community.
They snipe at each other standing over a dying republic, hoping to be the ones who will emerge as the new leaders. The Republican Party "leaders" are busboys picking up the dirty dishes as the Titanic sinks.
America and the Republican Party are dying, albeit, for many of the same reasons, and for some that are not.
After Obozo has caused the collapse of our culture and society, it won't be the Republicans who will pick up the pieces, it will be conservative America.
Let these clowns snipe at each other, maybe we'll be able to accomplish America's revival as they fight to see who's the biggest and baddest Republican.
Pecos Pete| 2.6.13 @ 9:21AM
Ant: "America is in a state of civil war. If you choose to ignore this fact, you do so at your peril." Precisely!
Bob Grant| 2.6.13 @ 8:25AM
Quin,
The bottom line: Republicans are either enablers to liberalism or they are not. Liberalism is the driver to all of our country's problems and conservatives are guilty at times of enabling them. And so when republicans (who, theoretically at least, are supposed to be conservative) bash other republicans, I wish they would do in this context as a constant reminder of the source of the problem.
The latest example of enablers, God bless them, are the republican governors (Brewer, Kasich, Martinez) who caved on obamacare. They're decent people and perhaps conservative at heart but they put their political aspirations ahead of their principles, and thus became enablers to liberalism.
That's how it works.
Pecos Pete| 2.6.13 @ 9:19AM
Bob, excellent response to Quin.
Quartermaster| 2.6.13 @ 9:47AM
Traditionally, the GOP have been enablers. The dominant wing of the GOP (and still dominant, I might add) have always been enablers merely consolidating the gains of the Dimocrats, and many times adding their own (cf. No child left behind, the medicare prescription beenfit passed under Dubya).
Frankly, conservatives lose because there are so few on teh ground. Most that comment here are cafeteria conservatives, ignoring the constitution when it is inconvenient, and paying lip service at other times.
Drunken Sailor| 2.6.13 @ 10:26AM
Thanks for making my point.
PolishKnight| 2.6.13 @ 5:05PM
No, that's not the bottom line. The bottom line is race and gender quotas and preferences. That's what drives a majority of the electorate to either party. You'd have to have rocks in your head to be a non-government union/welfare recipient white male and vote Democrat (but many do).
But most of them have wised up. Only 33% or so of white males vote Democrat. Take away those with government union jobs, lobbyists for fascist corporate welfare, etc. and that leaves perhaps 20% or so? Meaning that 80% or so of what white males have figured it out and the 20% are idiots.
All the other issues are fluff and maybe can get a few swing voters here and there, but the "bottom line" are race/gender entitlements. Has been for 50 years but the stupid Republicans bled their numbers over the years letting the left rob them blind.
hrh| 2.6.13 @ 10:14AM
Please explain how John Boehner is a more conservative Speaker than Newt Gingrich?
Details, please.
Accomplishments for the conservative cause, please.
Yes, Gingrich is far from perfect.
But he gave the House back to conservatives for the first time since the Great Depression, to paraphrase Quin's hyperbole.
And balanced the budget for four years.
Boehner?
Quin Hillyer| 2.6.13 @ 12:18PM
I was a leadership aide during the Gingrich years. I saw both Gingrich an Boehner close up. Boehner is more ATTITUDINALLY conservative. His voting record is more conservative. He hasn't run around the country in friendly cooperation with Al Sharpton. He hasn't kissed Hillary's ring. He didn't work for Rockefeller. He doesn't go in for a bunch of New Age weirdness in public policy. He didn't attack Bain Capital from the left. And on and on and on. And it wasn't Newt Gingrich who balanced the budget. It was a group of extraordinary leaders like Livingston, Kasich, Armey, Hyde, Archer, Solomon, Bliley and,yes, then-House Conference Chairman Boehner, among others -- in a much better political environment, with a GOP Senate, against a president who claimed to be a moderate and claimed to want welfare reform, at a time when money was being repaid to the Treasury by the Resolution Trust Corporation. Gingrich was a good speaker for all of about two years, period. But read Tom Coburn's book to see what Gingrich really thought of conservatives.
Yes, Boehner is more attitudinally conservative than Gingrich. It's not even close.
C. Vernon Crisler | 2.6.13 @ 12:42PM
Quin, all talk and no action: that's what "attitudinal" means. St. James says something about that somewhere.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 1:26PM
That means that he's not actually a Conservative. But he does Play One on TV, and he spent the night at a Holiday Inn.
And, that's good enough for Quin.
Anthony| 2.6.13 @ 1:57PM
A distinction without a difference Quin, as between Gingrich and Boehner.
Bottom line, the congressional Rs are allowing Obozo to destroy America without a fight. I don't give a rat's ass if it's attitudinally or otherwise.
Citizen Jerry| 2.6.13 @ 10:15AM
Reagan also said we need to be a party of bold colors, not pale pastels. That's where the fight is. Reagan conservatives vs. squishy moderates who fantasize about being Democrats. They have no desire to control the size of government, as long as they're the ones handing out the freebies, rather than Democrats.
N8tivTxn| 2.6.13 @ 10:38AM
... "lack of negotiating skill" in the position of SotH is not to be ignored or forgiven.
"He did his best", is an outrage when the U.S. constitution is being trampled, our industry is being crushed, and our currency is being ground into dust.
We are frustrated because our avenue of input is blocked by our own elite representation, as Speaker Boehner arrogantly chooses to negotiate in private, defiantly announcing his outcome as if we were sick children being cajoled into swallowing the most bitter medicine, "for our own good".
THAT is why we attack him (them) rather than focus on the left.
Bottom line: We are told to leave this complicated political interaction to the professional pols.
What better prescription for TERM LIMITS?
The regime snatches power away from our representation, while they stand by, seemingly dumbfounded, but we who will pay for this ineptitude are commanded to play "nice-nice?
Horse-hockey!
Pecos Pete| 2.6.13 @ 10:49AM
I can think of a few more terms to go along with "Horse-Hockey!" but I don't want to be banned.
Drunken Sailor| 2.6.13 @ 11:35AM
Meadow muffins?
Bovine Bombs?
Pasture Petunia's?
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 4:47PM
Hillary?
N8tivTxn| 2.6.13 @ 6:28PM
All good ones DS, but my fav is Road Apples!
atilla| 2.6.13 @ 11:31AM
I didn't see Karl Rove's name in that article….HE NEEDS A SOCK STUFFED IN HIS MOUTH!
Who Knows?| 2.6.13 @ 12:05PM
When you’re bleeding to death from a wound on the thigh, say---picture a Civil War casualty---and only amputation of the leg will save your life, using a bandage is useless.
Just so, worrying about members of the Republican Party SAYING things “bad” about each other is uselessness on stilts.
What you have is a war. On one side, the ruling Obama side, the “left”, is together and disciplined. On the other side, the losing “right”, it’s more or less mass confusion, with most “leaders” essentially believing they are “right”, and “you should listen to me”, and do what I say.
Then there’s real reality.
The choices have ALREADY been made---does anyone doubt that the past really happened? Or, that actions have lawful consequences?
One must always be reminded that there is the CW “law”, and then there is the LAW---which can’t be finagled with, like what is going on in DC and state capitals.
There is the REAL law of supply and demand.
There are REAL goods and services, and then there are the symbols and ideas putatively about them, and what with the massive bias and distortions of the MSM, the gap between the two is reaching the snapping point.
And NO Republican Party “commandments” make a whit of difference.
Vive la difference!
Michele San Pietro| 2.6.13 @ 12:36PM
Basic and obvious rules. I'm sure Obama or other left-wingers will never succeed in dividing the American right. Of course, conservatives should also avoid quarreling with each other.
CJW| 2.6.13 @ 1:53PM
Michele
If you have not noticed, conservatives are smart, passionate and opinionated. Each believes he is right and Right.
We are not lemmings like the Dems. We argue and insult each other, sort of like the Israeli Knesset. Did you hear what you get with two Jews in a debate? Three opinions. Well with conservatives you get more than three.
PolishKnight| 2.6.13 @ 5:01PM
I don't think I'm Right but I am strongly passionate about what matters to me and considerate that others have their own interests.
This is different than the left where if you're not useful to them, they toss you under the bus. Vets putting multiple animals to sleep on a daily basis have more compassion (they do, really!) But a leftist sees the world in terms of what's best for the Party and a bunch of eggs to crack open to make the omelette (even a bad one.) They're ruthless sociopaths.
But.. that's just the useful idiots. The sadistic fools who think that as soon as the USA is made into Mexico, it will magically transform into Sweden. The vast majority of Democrat voters are simply welfare recipients (the 47%) or race/gender entitlement seekers who don't care about ideology.
CJW| 2.6.13 @ 5:58PM
I agree, but do not underestimate the Dems as merely welfare recipients. Many Dem voters are passionate about their beliefs on environment, redistribution, progressive taxation, and increasing government power for their benefit.
Legislators like Barney Frank, Teddy Kennedy, Pelosi, Berman, Schumer, Clinton and the rest kept passing bill after bill to increase government power. The Dems controlled the House from 1950 to 1994, and the Senate for many years. Between 1964 and 1968 they created the "Great Society." Teddy Kennedy found jobs for his statff throughout the government. Justice Breyer worked for Kennedy. They do use the ideology of class warfare and resentment to con their voters.
PolishKnight| 2.6.13 @ 7:27PM
The Dem voters who claim to be passionate about the environment, redistribution, and progressive taxation are among the useful idiots I outlined above. Most of them aren't really sincere since they're limosine liberals who need to buy a new IPAD2 every other week made by slave labor in China. One of my funny anecdotes is a leftist demanding 10 cents credit for her cloth bag use (instead of plastic) and she had a lexus keychain in her hand. She didn't need the 10 cents but it made her "feel" good. In the meantime, they could care less about "trailer trash" in the south starving to death because they're white.
But they do love big government but ONLY when their side is benefiting. GW War in Iraq is BAD. Obama sending over money to radical islamists in Egypt, that's ok. They are selfish, hypocritical, and perhaps even insane. But as I said, useful idiots. They now comprise a minority of the Democrat party which means...
someday Obama types will throw them under the bus too.
Paul A'Barge | 2.6.13 @ 12:55PM
The last thing we need now is to dust off some ridiculous premise that we (Conservatives) shut up.
Quin Hillyer is a classic at this kind of thing.
Rather, if someone (no matter who, including Hillyer) says something moronic, we all need to speak loudly and clearly in criticism of that person and his/her statements.
Who Knows?| 2.6.13 @ 1:10PM
Here's a better commandment---eat right, take care of the body, because where else are you going to live?
“Health Care is truly what Natural Healing is, which is caring for your health. Call it Creating Powerful Health, not just CARING FOR IT.
What most Americans ca;; “health care” would more accurately be described as “disease care”. After all, people go to medical doctors for a check up, to check for and discover DISEASES. Then, when one is found, a course of medical DISEASE TREATMENT is suggested, such as chemical drugs or surgery. So DISEASE TREATMENT is a better name.
DISEASE TREATMENT implies that the disease is cured, which most often it is not. In reality, most chemical drugs are used to suppress or mask the symptoms of a disease, or even attempt to halt the progression, but not cure it! Often surgery is used to simply remove the diseased part, but still, NO CURE! That is why after most surgeries, within time, your body gets sick again. Even the AMA admits that modern medicine has absolutely no cure for the vast majority of all diseases. They only have treatments to minimize the symptoms and make you more comfortable while you literally rot away. So in fact, the most accurate name for this medical cover-up called Health Care would actually be Disease Suppression, Disease Retardation, Disease Maintenance, or at best Disease Management.
Who Knows?| 2.6.13 @ 1:10PM
So the bottom line is that the diseases are SUPPRESSED, DELAYED, RETARDED, MAINTAINED, and even MANAGED, but kept alive, and just maintained at low enough levels in your body, so the symptoms of your disease are tolerable. And when the symptoms are not tolerable, then a higher dose of numbing or suppressing medication is prescribed, or stronger medication, or even surgical intervention.
On the contrary, the basic principle of Natural Healing is that we will never be smart enough to outsmart God, or to know exactly how the human body works. So instead of getting in the way of what the body is already trying to do, or worse yet, thinking the body’s actions are a disease (fevers, headaches) and suppressing it, Natural Healing is instead a healing system based on belief in God, a belief in Nature, and a big dose of Common Sense.
STOP doing what makes you sick and START doing what will Create Powerful Health. And disease will leave your body.
I once had a medical doctor tell me, “A patient cured is money lost!” Considering the $2,000,000,000,000.00 (two trillion dollars) Americans spend every year on Disease Management, maybe this answers why disease is MANAGED in America, and not cured.”
Dr. Richard Schulze. At herbdocblog.com
Paul Murphy | 2.6.13 @ 2:00PM
Dear Mr. Hillyer:
I agree.
That said, let me suggest an explanation for what you're seeing. Democrats profess belief in the individual, but permit no dissension. Conservatives fight each other because we do believe that joe's opinion is as valuable as jane's - at least until they speak and promptly prove themselves even more wrong than we are.
To put it crudely, "it's the contrast, stupid!" between the conservative big tent with its accompanying discourse and the democrat hierarchy with its absolute suppression of dissent. Or, to put things in terms Mr. Goebbels would have understood, the 11th commandment responds to the fact that one party is genuinely democratic and the other is not.
P.S. you owe me a response - plse check for mail from winface .
PolishKnight| 2.6.13 @ 2:30PM
Democrats all their own to break the rules all the time. Whether it's pedophiles traveling to South America on the taxpayer's dime or Feinstein demanding armed guards or the typical limosine liberal preaching that white males are bad but paying a premium to drive to the suburbs, they are ultra hypocrites when they aren't engaging in newspeak.
In other words, their whole agenda is balderdash. It doesn't make sense and doesn't need to make sense. They win elections by buying votes via race entitlements and welfare. If you listen to what they say to each other, this becomes clear immediately.
Job| 2.6.13 @ 2:22PM
Only a tithe of men are gonna play nice; you won't find 51% or a majority to.
Men lie steal cheat and murder and bears shit in the woods. You can stop both the bears and men from this but not without putting them on ice.
So you can sit on your hands, stick your head in the ground, hold your breath, whine, stay home, sing Christmas carols or find some common ground.
nathan| 2.6.13 @ 3:37PM
Folks An interesting discussion I touched off above. But emblematic of the problem. And while we clearly have different "flavors" of conservatism" here, and clearly the recent wars and how to fight them have led to major divisions among the class, honestly I'm not sure where to go next. It's obvious we have a group that says, defend the country, screw the Constitution, international agreements, who cares about the detainees and if eight out of 10 are innocent (McCoy's numbers) well they aren't us, right? On the other hand you have rights absolutists that say we end up causing more damage to ourselves, hurting ourselves more in the long run by not keeping to our principles than if do violate those principles.
But we again ignore the bigger threat. The entitlements which no republican including Reagan bothered dealing with is ultimately going to destroy this country and right now there is no realistic solution out there.
With that, thanks for playing folks.
mjs-pa| 2.6.13 @ 9:49PM
Too bad this rule didn't apply when you wrote the most disgusting piece against Congressman Todd Akin.
Capt G| 2.6.13 @ 11:54PM
"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor." RWR
I BarKahn| 2.7.13 @ 12:34AM
HILLYER: You understate Obama's intentions. But more importantly: At this moment, thinking and writing about Republican disharmony is frivilous; you should be thinking and writing about how to legally remove a constitutionally ineligible, de facto President from office. How and why Obama got there is one story. How and why Conservatives, Republican political and media leaders, let Obama stay and ruin a relatively young and truly exceptional country, is another.
You know Obama's father was a British subject and a Kenyan citizen. You what the term "natural born" citizen means. And you know what the Second Amendment, Section 2 says. Is this a nation of laws, or not? If our Republican political and media leaders continue to take counsel of their fears of government retribution, their ruin, along with the nations', is a certainty. Obama can and must be legally removed, causing all his bills, laws, appointments, Orders, and Signings to be void and of no effect. You and your Editor and I must hang together or surely we will hang separately.
darcy| 2.7.13 @ 2:07AM
I prefer John Derbyshire's take on the sickness (my assessment, inspired by JD) plaguing the GOP. It's up at vdare, dated 2 6 13.
Oldefarte| 2.7.13 @ 10:03AM
Speaking of the 11th commandment [sort of], the following [from Dick Morris] is illustrative of [as I've indicated thousands of times here previously] that 11/6/12 was simply the result of the STUPIDITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE:
"....He said his expectations for Romney ended up far off because he expected enthusiasm for Obama by Democratic voters to have waned from 2008 levels, as GOP energy to defeat Obama rose. But the opposite happened, Morris said, as Obama voters came out in droves and more than 8 million white voters stayed at home and didn't vote for Romney....."
gene| 2.8.13 @ 12:55PM
For people who are Born Again Christians and follow the Good Book, there has ALWAYS been 11 Commandments.
So in this article, for Christians anyway, it should be the 12th and not the Eleventh.
John 15:12.