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An Unedifying Debate

“Immigration reform” and Senator Rubio’s well-meaning but naive plan are dividing the right.

Clare Boothe Luce is given credit for this insight: “In this world there are optimists and pessimists. The pessimists are better informed.” If La Luce were with us today and said this, she might be talking about the current highly political and way-less-than-useful back and forth about America’s chronic illegal immigration problem.

Some conservatives are praising Florida Senator Marco Rubio (and his seven accomplices) for his high-minded “principles,” meant to morph into legislation that would deal with our immigration mare’s nest. Another group of conservatives — we’ll find out later which group is larger — say his approach is little more than amnesty for those here illegally and, more importantly, an incentive for more millions more to come here illegally and be a financial burden to the federal and local governments.

The second group is made up of almost everyone who has spent any time thinking about how Rubio’s principles would work in practice. They see that his plan differs hardly a whit from the open borders dream the left has been putting forward for decades, and which failed when Ronald Reagan fell for it in the eighties. The first group is made up of large numbers of people who believe we really mean it this time about securing the border, and that this time Lucy will hold the football so Charlie Brown can kick it. 

Last Thursday I spoke with Rubio spokesman Alex Conant, who made a spirited and articulate defense of Rubio’s efforts. I’ve waited until now to write about defense’s arguments because I hesitate to criticize Rubio, a sound conservative who is so right about so many things (including opposing the bumbling Chuck Hagel for SECDEF). But after analyzing, poring over, re-thinking, sifting, and sorting the immigration gospel according to Marco, I can draw only one conclusion. It doesn’t begin to add up, as policy or politically.

What would add up, and quickly, is the cost of the army of new federal bureaucrats and document-stampers it would require to jump more than 11 million citizens of other countries living here illegally through all the hoops Rubio’s principles call for. We don’t have the administrative capacity now to keep track of citizens of other countries here on tourist and students visas — which is why some estimate 40 percent of illegals here today are folks who entered the U.S. legally and then over-stayed their visas. 

So, to the nearest 10,000, how many new federal employees would it require to locate, check criminal backgrounds on, establish length of stay in this country for, determine how much federal tax is owed by, assess and administer penalties to, measure English proficiency of, a number of people that may well approach the total population of Scandinavia? And how much would flat-broke America have to borrow from China to finance all this? Conant concedes that neither he nor Rubio has any idea how many federal drudges these chores would require, or how much it would cost. 

“We don’t know,” Conant said. “It’s a fair question. We’re working up those details.”

Another fair question is, why now? The current president has demonstrated to everyone’s satisfaction that not only will he do nothing to staunch the flow of undocumented Democrats across the country’s southern border, but he will sue anyone who tries to (see Arizona). The southern border could have and should have been secured long ago. But it hasn’t been because previous Democratic and Republican presidents didn’t want to. Rubio says that nothing in his plan proceeds until the border is secure. So he has at least until 2017 to wait for that. Longer if a Democrat or a testosterone-deficient Republican wins the White House in 2016. Hell, Godot may turn up and the Chicago Cubs may win the World Series before this happens.

“We’re doing this now because the president won re-election and made it clear he was going to push for immigration reform,” Conant said. “So rather than just being against what the president proposes, we have our own plan.”

Fair enough. But save for the part about securing the border, and some boilerplate about preferring skilled immigrants over unskilled, the gang of eight plan sounds suspiciously like the “reform” bill Americans overwhelmingly rejected in 2007. It concedes that the 11 million citizens of other countries (or whatever the real number is) who have broken our laws to be here will never be obliged to go home. “They’re here to stay,” Conant conceded.

The “they” Conant is referring to are the millions of line-cutters who entered the U.S. illegally. Conant and Rubio must have skipped the first day of Psychology 101, where we learn about operant conditioning and how it is that we get more of the behavior we reward. Even criminal behavior.

So if Marco wishes to offer a competing plan, why not one that recognizes that secure borders and enforceable standards for citizenship are requirements of sovereignty and not hate crimes? This approach would be different from that of our current president, who’s not all that keen on sovereignty, at least not the American kind.

The country is choking on big, complex laws just now (see Obamacare). We don’t need more. If we had a political class with the will to enforce the existing immigration laws we wouldn’t be talking about this. But we don’t. Democrats want every possible future voter who can be bought with government boodle, regardless of how they arrive here. Too many Republicans toss and turn at night worrying that no one with a Spanish last name will ever vote for them unless they support bad public policy.

Is there no Republican official with the courage and the clarity of expression to put to rout the canard that any attempt to secure our southern border, or to oblige anyone here illegally to return to his own country, is anti-Hispanic? Democrats repeat this baseless charge, and the mainstream media act as a megaphone for it. But it’s nonsense.

Conservatives aren’t opposed to illegal immigrants because so many have Spanish last names. They’re opposed to them because they’ve committed a crime to arrive here, they make a mockery of our legal immigration system and stooges of those waiting in line to come here legally, and because too many of them are unemployable and become expensive government wards. Americans, no matter what their last names, can understand this, demagoguery from the left notwithstanding.

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Larry Thornberry is a writer in Tampa.

Letter to the Editor View all comments (58) |

tminus1| 2.4.13 @ 6:48AM

"pouring over"?

Mike G| 2.4.13 @ 8:18AM

I caught that, too. As a former English teacher, I cringed.

PolishKnight| 2.4.13 @ 9:13AM

Even the finest writers had their "editors" to correct their numerous typos and grammar errors. I have a friend who got a Master's degree in English lit and fought with 10 other applications to get an editor gig. It paid her $14 an hour.

Yes, it's important to use proper grammar and spelling but certainly not vital in personal correspondence and blogs. If this was a newspaper or even major news outlet web page, then absolutely, the document should get a 100% on an English essay. But otherwise, no big deal.

old white guy| 2.4.13 @ 9:45AM

many people use spell check. a sentence such as, eye wood like to sea ewe, would pass.

PolishKnight| 2.4.13 @ 10:06AM

Typos are another factor in internet blogging or comments. I'll well aware of the difference between "your kettle of fish" versus "you're kettle of fish" but when I type at 120wpm, entire words can come out with the wrong grammatical context without me realizing it at the time.

I'm reminded of a debate my wife had with her English teacher. He said no sentence could properly begin with "because" so I suggested she write: "Because is the word that begins this sentence".

He didn't have a sense of humor about it. Or maybe he did. Later. But just not at that time. :-)

Aristocat| 2.5.13 @ 6:14AM

Great article Larry, thank you for bringing some common sense into this situation...
When I see Chuck U. Schumer, Dirty Dick Durbin, and Menendez the John standing up there, I know it is a bad deal for America....Very foolish of Rubio to ally himself with these goons. We expect that from Johnny McAmnesty, but not from a Tea Party guy....Wake up !!

Pecos Pete| 2.4.13 @ 7:32AM

The border can be controlled. Do it first. Do it well. Do it forever. Then we can talk about solutions related to illegal aliens.

Planes, missiles, tanks, guns, ammunition and money to foreign governments, but none for our border? Makes no sense unless you are one of The Village Idiots.

Al Adab| 2.4.13 @ 8:39AM

Your state is one of those overrun by illegal migrants. Follow the south bank of the Rio Grande west of El Paso and soon one will be in New Mexico without ever encountering a fence or crossing the river. People in too many places don't realize the nature of the issue. Dealing with those here is quite a problem but securing the border into the future is essential.

...and yes,for what in heavens' name are we sending 200 tanks to Egypt ?

Pecos Pete| 2.4.13 @ 9:14AM

Al, New Mexico is just on the way to points further east and north. The vans and trucks on I-10, I-40 and I-25 are headed for Chicago, Denver, DC, etc. Why you ask? Cause the livin' is easier there. If they want to live in CalMex, tis a lot easier to cross from Tijuana to Yuma.

That's not to say that the Sanctuary Cities of New Mexico don't have their fair share of, ummm, visitors. Plus, illegal aliens are given New Mexico drivers licenses as they pass through on their way to other points of interest. They then use these legal licenses in other states to gain "legal" status in those states. A real rats nest of stupidity that can only be loved by The Village Idiots.

Al Adab| 2.4.13 @ 11:38AM

Is it not also true that in many states all one needs to register to vote is a drivers license?

Pecos Pete| 2.4.13 @ 2:11PM

Yes, or less. Like a utility bill.

JP| 2.4.13 @ 7:54AM

"“Immigration reform” and Senator Rubio’s well-meaning but naive plan are dividing the right. "

And so many Republicans pinned their hopes on Rubio. It took just a few weeks for the youngish Florida Senator to demonstrate his political incompetence. You would think that the son of Cuban immigrants could understand that Reid and Obama are not interested in immigration reform. But, they are interested in weakening the GOP in the run-up to the 2014 mid-terms. Good job Rubio.

They don't call the Republican Party the Stupid Party for nothing.

GobBluthe| 2.4.13 @ 8:39AM

Boy I can see how 2016 will pan out. There will be four main candidates.

Candidate 1: good on taxes, good on abortion, weak on immigration
Candidate 2: bad on taxes, good on abortion, good on immigration
Candidate 3: good on taxes, bad on abortion, good on immigration
Candidate 4: bad on everything

Candidate 4 will be the GOP nominee because purist conservatives will destroy Candidates 1-3. Devall Patrick will be elected President for two terms.

John Navratil| 2.4.13 @ 11:04AM

GobBluthe,

Yup! Democrats protect their worst and Republicans eat their young.

C. Vernon Crisler | 2.4.13 @ 9:31AM

I think any schoolkid knows what's wrong with "immigration reform." When someone cuts in line, everyone knows it's wrong; doesn't take an advanced degree. So a five year old knows more about what's wrong with our broken immigration system than do our brilliant politicians.

Joellen| 2.4.13 @ 7:55AM

Absolutely right Pecos Pete, and as the author points out, we have enough laws, just like we have enough gun laws, we just dont have a group of regulators who holds these law breakers accountable.

As usual at the annual super bowl party I attended, all I heard was "we have to adapt". My standard response is "NO, we dont - we have to adhere to the law and when people come into our country they have to assimilate, just like my grandparents had to".

Its all turned around and yet "they" still dont get it.

Al Adab| 2.4.13 @ 8:36AM

But Joellen, "Diversity" for its own sake is one of the idols which The Left worships. It is actually a symptom of anti-western civilization bias in leftist thinking. Too many crossing the border are from such enlightened places as Libya, Yemen, Iraq, Iran and so on. Those folks are not looking for landscaping jobs. Many have learned Spanish in camps in South America. There is a plan behind this. The border must be secure, illegal migration must be treated as a danger, then the millions here can be dealt with. In any legislation the word comprehensive should raise red flags.

Mike G| 2.4.13 @ 8:22AM

I just don't see Rubio as the "conservative" he's cracked up to be. I see him as following the footsteps of the current liberal elites running the GOP. Just like them, his actions aren't matching his words.

Quartermaster| 2.4.13 @ 8:30AM

Heard from Crist, "miss me yet?"

Tell me again why the TEA Party stood up for Rubio only to have the idiot go along with the malevolent left?

GobBluthe| 2.4.13 @ 8:44AM

To compare Rubio to Crist is absurd. Your post is nothing but sophistry. What is it with you right wing cry babies??? Rubio's position on immigration was know when he was running in 2010. Yet you ignored it. Just like in 2000, when GW Bush ran on expanding Medicare. You ignored him. When he actually did it, you were outraged.

PolishKnight| 2.4.13 @ 9:17AM

This situation is a perfect opportunity for the right to address the racism of the left. The left is made up primarily of racist special interest groups demanding special privileges and entitlements. Amnesty is merely the first step in buying that group's vote. Afterwards, they'll demand quotas for education and government employment.

The way third world economies work (such as Kenya, Russia and South America), the people in charge buy influence via nominations (remember Blagoyevich?) They don't give away government jobs and posts for "free".

The right continues to offer little for their electorate to vote for them. Anti gay marriage and anti-abortion. Great. Good luck winning elections with that.

Bob K| 2.4.13 @ 10:10AM

Hey Larry!

Re your 1st sentence in second paragraph: Why didn't you come right out and say it? "Marco and the 7 dwarfs!"

Hardcard| 2.4.13 @ 10:22AM

If you lie down with chuck u you come up smelling like sh*t.

BackToBasics| 2.4.13 @ 10:30AM

It is just a matter of time before all illegals have amnesty and then citizenship. No doubt the amnesty will also include all felons and low-lying Islamic terrorists that are here already.

If these terrorists ever pull off any attacks then the left can say it was home-grown terrorism so what's the real worry. Only white men with guns need be feared. Look at the difference in coverage between the Fort Hood massacre and the Oklahoma City bombing.

sickofit5| 2.4.13 @ 10:30AM

Before we spend the first dollar in building a wall we have to take away the incentives. Anchor babies, child tax credit, free healthcare, food stamps and on and on. The incentives are too great. They will find a way to get around any wall we built. There is too much free stuff to keep them out.

Pecos Pete| 2.4.13 @ 11:31AM

sick: You have a point, but I disagree that we can't quickly control the borders. It can be controlled by this coming March 1, 2013 if we put troops on the borders to defend our country here, instead of in Germany, South Korea, etc.

PolishKnight| 2.4.13 @ 11:51AM

It's somewhat trivial, at least in terms of logistics, to kill off those benefits. For starters, enforce E-verify and create a bounty system similar to the IRS. If someone reports an illegal worker, they get 1/4 of the salary that was paid to that worker in the form of a fine to the employer. E-verify should include biometrics. Ideally, have an E-verify station at every office of a controversial agency: the post office. That will give postal workers something to do!

Next, offer limited amnesty for valuable immigrants (the ones doing real work as compared to going on welfare) in exchange for turning in 4 other illegals. Illegals that are found and deported will be fingerprinted and photographed and forbidden for 10 years from returning legally. They will also forfeit all assets they own in the states in their name. That goes to the whistleblower.

This is how they broke the back of the mob, folks.

But the political will isn't there, sadly. Heck, the left outright talks of discriminating against white males and the right doesn't do anything about it.

BackToBasics| 2.4.13 @ 2:55PM

Just build the wall and don't sanction putting it off to do other things first. At the currnt level of spending at 10 billion a day the Feds could "fund" a secure wall in less than 2 weeks.

John Navratil| 2.4.13 @ 10:37AM

Mr. Thornberry,

"We don’t have the administrative capacity now to keep track of citizens of other countries here on tourist and students visas — which is why some estimate 40 percent of illegals here today are folks who entered the U.S. legally and then over-stayed their visas."

Really?!?!?!?!

We have the capacity to administer the Social Security System. We have over 2 million in our prisons being administered. We are implementing Obamacare. The IRS manages to "administer" over 100 million individual tax returns each year and we don't have this capacity. We have RFID tags in our passports so we can be scanned merely walking through the entrance halls.

You simply cannot be serious.

N8tivTxn| 2.4.13 @ 10:37AM

Let's face reality Mr Thornberry. As you mention, Rubio has shown himself to be somewhat "constitutionally" decent, but his amnesty plan is shaking out to be little more than a campaign platform for future use. Ambition is admirable, but not using this kind of diversion from principle.

Isn't the kid attempting to brand himself the Jesse-Hi-Jackson of the brown man? Where is the down side for him?

Can he turn Hispanics into Republicans, and what sort of monumental shift will the party be forced to make to accommodate the resultant move away from "rule of law" principles?

Will the old guard GOP allow him to kiss their... ring, if he delivers?

KittyAmerica| 2.4.13 @ 10:43AM

Rubio's plan is not "well-intentioned" unless we are talking about the benefits for the parasites from the third world that are here and the millions more to come. It is not well-intentioned for Americans who are connected by blood and culture. We are the "Forgotten Man" and Rubio has a mal-intentioned plan for our interests.

Jacob McCandles| 2.4.13 @ 11:05AM

"We are a nation of immigrants." Yes, this country was built by immigrants. Folks who looked upon American citizenship with pride. People who put being an American before all other labels. Most of our illegal immigrants today come here for money and stuff. They view themselves through the prism of race just like the lefty teachers instruct them to. They do not dream of bigger things, and have no desire to assimilate. The older generation may have been hard working, but the young ones are drawn to gangs and have the highest illigitimacy rates. Rather than building this country up, they may be its ultimate downfall.

John Navratil| 2.4.13 @ 11:39AM

Jacob McCandles,

I've lived in Houston for forty years. That has not been my experience. My experience has been that the work ethic of the illegal labourer has been superior to that of the citizens with whom they most directly compete and who get the "free stuff" by birthright.

Jack London| 2.4.13 @ 12:15PM

Well said John. 'McCandles' is reciting right-wing nursery rhymes.

Jacob McCandles| 2.4.13 @ 1:32PM

There are always exceptions, and prior to multiculturalism and anti-Americanism gone wild, the older generations of immigrants were much different. At this point, most recent immigrants have hitched their wagons to the democRATS. That is where the downfall comes into play.

PolishKnight| 2.4.13 @ 11:45AM

Technically, most nations are nations of immigrants since people have migrated over time to different places. Even the Native Americans were immigrants at one time.

That said, saying we're a nation of drivers doesn't mean it's ok to drive without a driver's license. Or that we're a nation of homeowners so it's ok to break into someone's place.

loulou| 2.4.13 @ 12:37PM

The illegals I've had experience with are lazy and sneaky. They pretend they don't understand English in order to do shoddy work.

There may be some hard working illegals out there but the recent crop of law-breakers are the dregs of Mexico. Mexico encourages them to leave. They don't want them either.

C. Vernon Crisler | 2.4.13 @ 1:20PM

Yes, we are a nation of immigrants, but we are not a nation of illegal immigrants.

PolishKnight| 2.4.13 @ 4:04PM

The left's response to that claim, C. Vernon, is to point out that only Native Americans are true "legal" immigrants while the rest are invaders. And they have a moral point.

But that defense is what I refer to as a "Mike Tyson" defense (where he attempted to defend himself on charges of rape by saying that no woman would go to a hotel room with someone like him without knowing what she was in for.) It undermines their own moral premise that illegal immigrants are decent people when they cite the taking of Native American land by white settlers as a moral equivalence.

Simon Templar| 2.4.13 @ 5:19PM

I have heard this load of crap as well. It is another false premise approach. First, there was no law, no legal and no national sovereignty let alone a concept of land ownership with native peoples. The natives themselves migrated across from China into this continent. Now, these Mexicans, their former spanish colonials, who supposedly took the land from the Apache, fought a land war with the US and lost. Now, La Raza wants it back.
It is that simple. The best way to do it is with incremental invasion.

C. Vernon Crisler | 2.4.13 @ 6:54PM

PK, Simon is right. You don't understand the concept of national sovereignty. Prior to the formation of colonies, states, and national government, there were no legal borders for North America other than what someone could hold by means of war. No one COULD be an illegal immigrant until all political borders were settled one way or another.

Just try waltzing onto an Indian reservation and setting up shop, and see what they do to you. Indians will certainly protect their borders, as will any sovereign political entity.

Only American liberals (and anarchist libertarians) seem to think that national borders are an inconvenience.

C. Vernon Crisler | 2.4.13 @ 6:58PM

Sorry PK, I see you were offering an argument against the liberal response. Good point, but it suffers from the fact that it assumes the politically correct view of American history: noble Indian vs. evil white man.

Butch| 2.4.13 @ 7:39PM

He has endeavored to bring upon our frontiers the merciless Indian savages, whose only known rules of warfare is an unconditional destruction of all ages, sexes, and conditions.

Job| 2.4.13 @ 6:23PM

might is right, ask Native Americans if our forefathers were legal or illegal.

hate to say this but the pedigree of the average illegal from our southern border is largly Native American; now there is some irony.

If the Atlantic between Europe and America was as wide as the Rio Grande this would be a different discussion.

considering Supply and Demand folks, let's not strain the gnat and swallow the camel. People come here because of demand moreso than criminal mindset.

now there is an honest framework within which to start this discussion because i think there is justification for a secure border.

Al Adab| 2.4.13 @ 11:43AM

Frankly I doubt very seriously that gaining citizenship is a motivating factor for many if not most of the illegal migrants currently here. Their children are citizens and most of the parents simply want to work, earn a living and be left alone.

When looking at the gang of eight plan I don't see the motivation for them to come forward, admit their status and move into the system the plan envisions. What do they stand to gain, fines and fees? All the other benefits are theirs already.

John Navratil| 2.4.13 @ 12:23PM

Al Adab,

Clearly when the cost of compliance exceed the cost of non-compliance, non-compliance will be the order of the day. That's the problem of our making. We demanded these labourers economically yet prohibited them from being here. That's a recipe for success.

I don't know if you read Kim Strassel in today's Wall Street Journal. She has an interesting take on the labor unions and their relation with guest worker programs.

John Navratil| 2.4.13 @ 12:25PM

Al Adab,

Actually the column was from January 31, 2013.

loulou| 2.4.13 @ 12:34PM

People insist on calling Rubio a conservative. He is not conservative. He is a RINO. He got Tea Party support in the primary where he defeated the tanned one with a beard, Charlie Crist. Rubio was preferable to Crist.

Rubio isn't nearly as smart as Ted Cruz. Now there's a smart conservative.

GobBluthe| 2.4.13 @ 1:06PM

Well Ted Cruz can't run for President. Maybe for PM. Rubio voted against the Fiscal Cliff Deal. Rubio opposes further gun control. Rubio opposes Hagel. If Rubio isn't good enough for conservatives, conservatives deserve to be nothing more than a small pathetic minority.

C. Vernon Crisler | 2.4.13 @ 7:01PM

Illegal immigration is a pretty large issue to be on the wrong side of. Not as bad as being on the wrong side of the abortion issue, but certainly worse than one's position on flat taxes or tax simplification.

Mike W| 2.4.13 @ 8:26PM

Rubio is a little kid who is being used by Schumer and others. His plan is a recipe for disaster - for the GOP and the country.

Doctor Right| 2.4.13 @ 12:44PM

Senator Rubio's "plan" is not dividing the Right; it is dividing Conservatives from the GOP, and I say "GOOD!"

If you're a Conservative who continues to pay fealty to the GOP then in all honesty, you're a useful idiot.

The GOP is a dying Party whose critical condition is based completely on their own stupidity.

C. Vernon Crisler | 2.4.13 @ 7:04PM

I'm afraid you are right. Unless the GOP at long last gets some backbone, they will fast become an insignificant faction and go the way of the old Federalists,

Autorotate| 2.4.13 @ 1:08PM

How long have we heard the number of 11 million undocumented immigrants in the US? As long as I can remember. Since then the border has remained porous and those here have reproduced rapidly. That number must have doubled by now, but no one dares say that.

Who Knows?| 2.4.13 @ 1:56PM

Don’t just do something, sit there.

It’s NO ACCIDENT that Reid is the leader of the Democratic Party in the Senate. And, his strategy is NOT STUPID, but it is actually the template, going forward, because they know that it is not in their interest to pass laws.

So, for Schumer et al, EVERYTHING is politics. They do nothing that will endanger their ability to gain votes for the next election.

Therefore, the whole immigration “gang of eight” trip is a trap for Rubio and all other Republicans.

When you have someone who is serious about trying to solve a problem, by, say, passing a law, and someone who’s NOT serious about it, but only wants the appearance of being serious---well, you can’t negotiate with terrorists, and neither can you deal with today’s liberal thugs.

I’ve been thinking of moving to a small town in California. Googling many of them has been educational, giving specific data to what we hear about. Town X went from 10% to 20% Hispanics from 2000 to 2010.

Phoenix is 40% Hispanic. Southern California is ALREADY over 50% Hispanic.

Someone should ask Obama or Schumer, “What IS a border?” “Why does it exist?”

Time to get REAL, people!

Simon Templar| 2.4.13 @ 5:09PM

Larry just a few observations.
First, if you are going to slam Rubio at least print a summation of the guys proposal with a little detail. I am sick of the hearsay. The last I heard Rubio WILL NOT vote for any policy that does not include guaranteed border security. So, which is it?
Second, why not capitulate on this issue like the abortion and the gay marriage issues because we can not win on those. What I really would like to see is a list just be given to us on a quarterly basis on what positions we are suppose to take, support, and promote with the public from the DNC. Then I guess according to some here and the DNC we will then supposedly will win elections.

The last is we have a lot bigger fishes to fry here.
Rove just declared war on The Tea Party.
Noone noticed that this was much more...
Today the GOP officially ended, so did any chance of a 2016 victory or the possibility of turning this around. The progressive RINO's are reestablishing their grip and insuring that the conservative movement will never see the light of day.

Indy| 2.4.13 @ 9:51PM

Cannot wait for Janet to deem the border secure and the Senate is going to grant her that power....brilliant!

missbosslady| 2.4.13 @ 10:05PM

I have lived in Miami for over 40 years. Take it from someone who knows; Rubio is and has always been seeking amnesty. Period. He is not caving, to the contrary, this is his position and the position of his long time backers.

We no 'speekie' English in Miami and there is not one politician here, Marco included, that wants that to change.

Don't be fooled. Rubio is on a mission and that mission is amnesty.

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