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Roe v. Wade: Four Decades of Tragedy
A bitter conflict that continues unabated.
Roe v. Wade, perhaps the most ostentatiously unconstitutional of many dubious Supreme Court decisions purporting to interpret the Constitution, was issued 40 years ago. Rather than settle the abortion issue, the justices triggered a bitter political conflict which continues unabated.
Roe represents tragedy. An unwanted pregnancy can cause serious, sometimes overwhelming, problems. Moreover, there are few more personal decisions than to terminate a pregnancy. Liberty and life seemingly come into sharp conflict.
But abortion is not a just another “choice.” Rather, it is a flight from responsibility. Abortion is a response to choice, that is, the decision to have sex. Other than rape, sex is voluntary. Sometimes the result is an unwanted baby.
The question then is what to do? What is a person’s responsibility for the earlier choice freely exercised? Abortion has become a leading means to avoid taking responsibility for the life created.
This goes as much for men as well as women. In fact, many of the most fervent abortion supporters are men. The availability of abortion absolves them of responsibility for their actions. Lynn Marie Kohm of Regent University School of Law observed: “Indeed, the ultimate irony of abortion is that it inherently lets men off the hook.”
Pregnancy produces a human being. Arcane arguments over personhood do not change the fact that the continuum of life is not easily segmented. Whether the critical moment is conception or implantation, thus starts a process which, if not interrupted, results in a human being. The physical differences between a fetus, a baby, and a child, though real, do not affect the moral worth the individual created. No one should be aborted without serious, if not overwhelming, justification.
There is one when the mother’s life is at stake. But not because someone would prefer not to have a baby at a particular time. The claim that abortion is an absolute right even when the pregnancy results from voluntary sex sacrifices life for convenience. For instance, last year blogger Allison Benedikt waxed eloquent in defending the right to kill one’s baby because one is a newlywed and not yet “ready for kids,” a “single woman who wants to focus on her career,” or “the mother of two who is not in the market for number three.” All of these would be good reasons to eschew sex. Certainly they justify using birth control. And they create an understandable desire not to be pregnant. But they are not good reasons to eliminate a life, especially with adoption as an alternative.
Yet there is at least one worse reason to abort a baby: sex selection. You want a kid. But you want a kid of a particular sex, usually male. Unfortunately, even with modern technology it’s hard to guarantee the result. No problem, argued Benedikt, who warned her pro-abortion allies against feeling guilty. Just kill the (mostly) female babies. After all, “these are fetuses with female or male genitals — not little girls and little boys.”
Some people don’t even make that distinction. Princeton “ethicist” Peter Singer is not the only educated professional to advocate infanticide. Last year Alberto Giubilini and Francesca Minerva argued in the Journal of Medical Ethics for what they called “after-birth abortion” if the circumstances “would have justified abortion.” Presumably having to purchase pink rather than blue baby clothing could create just such a burden. So solve that problem with a sex-based abortion. After all, “Merely being human is not in itself a reason for ascribing someone a right to life,” wrote Giubilini and Minerva.
Nevertheless, even most abortion advocates don’t go this far. For them, birth means something. And being a human being does create a right to life. Frances Kissling, a long-time abortion advocate with Catholics for Choice, admitted: “Abortion is not like having your tooth pulled or having your appendix out. It involves the termination of an early form of human life. That deserves some gravitas.”
But abortion supporters still are stuck with sex selection abortion. No matter that sex discrimination is widely thought to be bad. If abortion is an absolute right, then the reason doesn’t matter, even if the purpose is to kill baby girls.
The problem isn’t theoretical. The child-gender ratio in India, which recently has been convulsed in outrage over a murderous gang rape, “is at its most lopsided in 50 years,” reported the Washington Post earlier this month. Some of the lowest ratios of females to males occur in cities and provinces populated by the growing middle class. Observed the Post: “a growing number of couples opt to abort female fetuses or neglect infant girls in their desperation for sons.”
China may pose an even greater problem. The age-old preference for boys — who provide farm labor and carry the family name — has been aggravated by the Maoist regime’s “one-child” policy. Although that restriction has been relaxed, China now has a dramatically malformed age and sex structure. Normal is 105 boys to 100 girls; in some provinces the ratio climbs above 130. A deadly preference for males also is found in Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Pakistan, South Korea, and Taiwan. All told, Mara Hvistendahl, author of Unnatural Selection: Choosing Boys Over Girls, and the Consequences of a World Full of Men, estimates that Asia lacks 160 million women who otherwise would be alive.
A similar phenomenon is evident in Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kosovo, and elsewhere in Eastern Europe. Some immigrant-heavy Canadian provinces exhibit a similar pattern, as do America’s ethnic Chinese, Indian, and Korean populations. Indeed, Kohm argued that “Sex selection abortion, or sex preselection as it may also be labeled, is rapidly becoming an acceptable family planning alternative for Americans.”
Kohm went on to call the practice “woman-on-woman violence.” If it is a woman’s choice to have an abortion, then sex selection abortion usually means women (adults) killing women (babies). That is, complained Kohm, women “insist on putting self desire for a child of a certain sex above common good to all women by aborting female fetuses.”
About the Author
Doug Bandow is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute. A former Special Assistant to President Ronald Reagan, he is the author and editor of several books, including The Politics of Plunder: Misgovernment in Washington (Transaction).
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Aristocat| 1.15.13 @ 6:22AM
As the Lord said to Cain in Eden: "Where is your brother?.....His blood cries out to me from the ground." So, all you pro-choice abortion fans, you will have to answer to God.
Jack in Wi| 1.15.13 @ 7:07AM
This is a great essay. If Romney had made speeches like this he would be President today. Obama and his handlers are using every trick in the book to destroy the Republicans. Well he should be called out on his love of abortion. How can he complain about violence on the streets, when this moral lepper never met an abortion he didn't love? The country is falling off the cliff and all Obama can push is abortion, war, taxes, and homsexuality. If we only had a principled oppostion with articulate leaders in this country Roe vs Wade would have been overturned decades ago.
Minuteman78| 1.15.13 @ 5:28PM
"The country is falling off the cliff and all Obama can push is abortion, war, taxes, and homsexuality." Don't forget gun control!
Actually in a sick way, gun control and abortion are in the same direction on Obama's warped moral compass. The latter preys on the defenseless citizens, and the former is intended to create more defenseless citizens. It's all about power and control and enslavement of a people. It always has been, for the Hitlers, the Marxs, the Stalins, the PolPots, and the Maos.
Appleby| 1.15.13 @ 6:56AM
Canada has absolutely no regulation of abortion; abortion is legal until the baby has fully exited its mother's body and taken its first unaided breath. So abortion tourism is a growing business up here; women from countries where abortion is regulated sign on for a "vacation" in a tourist home, abort their baby girls, do a little shopping, and head home. (Canada has a secret law that governs all its other laws: Find out what the Americans do, and do the opposite.) Abortion is "free" -- that is, taxpayers are forced to finance it -- and on demand. This country is larger than the USA and has 10% of the population. There is a reason for that.
Jack in Wi| 1.15.13 @ 7:20AM
Appleby: Every time I go to Canada, I notice how much the 3rd world has taken the country over. canada legalized abortion earlier, 1967, and like you say it is very common. Yet I have read polling from Canada that shows that a lot of Canadians are pro-life in their sentiments. Are there pro-life people in your aquaintenship? Here 60 million aborted babies have been relaced by 60 million immigrants. I suspect the problem where you are is even much worse.
GobBluthe| 1.15.13 @ 9:25AM
Not sure where in Canada you're going. Canada has a higher per capita income than the USA. Canada is 80% white versus the USA at 66% white. Abortion was legal in Quebec and Ontario but illegal elsewhere until 1986.
As for the USA, I suspect without Roe we'd have the immigrants anyway. Plus the country was moving towards legalize abortion even before Roe. Much as it is with gay marriage today. Roe is horrible law. No where in the constitution is there a right for abortion. But make no mistake. Legalized aborition is the MAIN reason for the sharp decline in crime in the 1990s.
Doctor Right| 1.15.13 @ 11:58AM
So even though Romney is a member of Z.O.G., you'd be happy he was President because of a good anti-abortion speech?
Jack in Wi| 1.15.13 @ 3:56PM
Because he is a member of Zog he could never make such a speech. Zog is really a misnomer. The Zionists are only a part of the elites that want total control want total control of the world. Romney has pushed abortion, homosexual marriage, and wars which the elites, not just some zionists want. I would rather call Romney a member of the corrupt old elites who have sold us down the river. By the way the Fifth Columnists yet again have brought Israel into the conversation, not me.
Von Mises Jr| 1.15.13 @ 7:03AM
The left loves to use the language to pervert the meaning of things. In order to demonize guns, we constantly hear of "gun violence" and "gun deaths." But this is nonsense since guns don't commit violence or murder, the liberals do.
So forget "Homey don't play that game" and let's play that game as well. We should call abortion what it is: "abortion murder." I saw that rat-faced Medea Benjamin from Code Pink once on the Mall and she had a bike with a tin drone and they were carrying signs "no drones." I asked her if she knew that Obama increased drone strikes by three to four times. She said "No he did not." But it is true and they are "drone murders." Collateral damage is "being in the wrong place at the wrong time murder."
I also have a solution for China and India. If they have 30% more males then they should turn them into girly men like Stephanopoulos or Dear Leader. Pass laws for same sex marriage and let fifteen percent of the boys get in touch with their feelings. And the added bonus is that they won't get anyone pregnant.
Jack in Wi| 1.15.13 @ 7:13AM
Our elites are pushing homosexuality for that reason. They love sex selection abortion. It pushes their anti-human being agenda forward. If I was an Indian I would welcome daughters. They are becoming a rare commodity. They should be demanding doweries, not the other way around.
Von Mises Jr| 1.15.13 @ 7:42AM
You are correct Jack. You can be logical and lucid as long as Israel or Jews are not the topic.
GobBluthe| 1.15.13 @ 9:35AM
In looking forward to the day homosexuality can be caught in the womb and the fetus aborted.
Stephie| 1.15.13 @ 11:00AM
And don't think that won't happen.
What a horrible society we've become.
TLP| 1.15.13 @ 7:44AM
So, what's the problem? Get rid of it. Get rid of Abortion. Stop talking about it, and Do It, just like the SCOTUS did, when they Magically found an Invisible Right to Slaughter your Baby in the Womb, by sprinkling Enchanted Dust made from ground up Unicorn Horn over the Constitution. There it was, all the time. Right before the Seperation of Church and State, and the Right to Vote on any day you Goddamn feel like it, instead of the one that the Constitution demands that you do: The 1st Tuesday, after the 1st Monday in November. It's right next to the Right of the Senate to Blow Off passing a Budget if they feel like it. And right beside the Right of the States to do whatever it takes to keep Active Duty Military from Casting a Vote from the Battlefield.
As we speak, Pharaoh's Scribes are colming through every Gimmick, every Slip and Fall sleight of hand, to find a way to put the Halfrican on the Emperor's Throne with just a Wave of a Magic Wand. And, if that way eludes them, they will Provoke a Confrontation, and let the chips fall. We see that now, with his Threat to circumvent Congress, and erase the 2nd Amendment for all time.
You'd be surprised to see how much you can accomplish when you get out from under your Political Consultant, and actually Do Your Job.
Defunding Planned Parenthood is a good start.
Banning Abortion by executive Order is even better.
What's good for the Goose.........
nathan| 1.15.13 @ 8:07AM
TLP: The rest of you indulge me for a moment while I complete a conversation I had with TLP yesterday. My apologies.
Sir: One if the not the major difference between you and me is that you like most neocons see everything in a global context first with the cold war now with the jihadists. The "fight them there or fight them here" concept. The problem is many if not most of those conflicts like VN and others were "probably" local in nature and had nothing to do with our security in any way. Take Angola. Did it matter who won? Even at THAT time, probably not. Savimbi really was awful and backing him hurt us. But neocons going back to Ike showed an absolute obsession with "dominos" partly perhaps because they misread Munich and felt a need to get involved everywhere instead of carefully determing where the real threats to our security were.
And the obsession with overseas ventures caused every republican president Reagan included to totally neglect domestic issues which were as much a threat to this country as the foreign threats were. Reagan did NOTHING regarding New Deal/Great Society and today those programs are arguably going to be what destroys us.
nathan| 1.15.13 @ 8:15AM
To finish: What we needed was and didn't get was better intelligence and better since of what our priorities were and should have been. We know now that the Soviets were dying no matter what we did. We know that like islam there were multiple flavors of communism at much at war with each other as they were with us. But the neocon obsession with the borg image of communism, the same image that neocons have of islam have today impacts policy and priorities at all levels. I would submit to you sir they were largely wrong decades ago, and probably wrong today.
We are now resuming our regularly scheduled programming. Sorry again for the interruption.
By the way, I always phrase my opposition to abortion in Fifth Amendment terms. If there is a 1/100,000 chance that there what is inside the woman at conception is a person we must always err in protecting that person's Fifth Amendment rights. We simply must. We've seen what happens when we dehumanize "people". Then you can do anything to them. We cannot for any reason allow it. So we never, here I go again, compromise on that principle.
Thank you for you time.
TLP| 1.15.13 @ 9:38AM
I'm sorry. Did you say something, nathan?
I guess not.
Continued Rants about Neocons (JEWS) will get you the same amount of my time that I spend on the other Jackass. The one In Wi.
Which is pretty much NONE.
Arnie| 1.15.13 @ 11:54AM
Hey, it's TLP, "The Limp Penis", who likes to pop viagra for his Asian boytoy. What on earth are you ranting about? Lay off the Viagra stubby, you're pulling what little blood you have in your brain down south.
TLP| 1.15.13 @ 12:40PM
Isn't he great?
TLP| 1.15.13 @ 12:43PM
What am I ranting about?
Thank You.
If you had said that you understood it?
I would've thought that my writing was suffering from Dumb Down Syndrome.
Joellen| 1.15.13 @ 8:03AM
I been blessed to attend the PRO LIFE march in DC, and hope to attend this year. The people who attend, just like the Tea Party rallies, are peaceful, prayful, full of LIFE & Song.
Families, which include grandparents, parents, children, disabled people, all races, creeds, and religions and from all over the world.
It is the most postive, uplifting day, which never gets its due in the media - they always play it done to "thousands" instead of the 100 Plus thousands that attend. So many good stories, each year I've and all have experienced attending this awesome event.
Motivating speakers, again all of different faiths, race, etc. which have you cheering, laughing, crying and praying.
When you actually march the route, you enjoy the young adults who have no shame in their love for GOD and his precious gift of life.
I've seen young Priests walking barefoot, and when I approached one during our walk and asked him why, his answer along with the most joyous smile, "I love embracing my cross" made all who heard him warm on that freezing day.
The Pro Murder/Abortion movement is the antithesis of the Pro Life movement. Watch their annual event in the summer and you witness, screaming, swearing, and utter anger. You finish watching that and you are sick to your stomach.
Good vs. Evil - you make the choice which side you are on. Attend the PRO LIFE march 1/25/13 and witness and come back and proclaim.
CJW| 1.15.13 @ 8:07AM
Wonderful comment, Joellen. God bless you.
Joellen| 1.15.13 @ 8:13AM
HE does CJW - thanks my brother!
TLP| 1.15.13 @ 9:40AM
HE sure does.
Look at the nice Hoodie HE had me send you.
Joellen| 1.15.13 @ 10:01AM
T, CJW, Al Adab, Von, and so many on this website are just a few examples of how ABBA Father blesses us. See only GOD gives life, and for this we are blessed with his graces - and as T said, "he sure does".
BTW - TLP market the hoodies - they will sell! It looks terrific on - and I WILL BE wearing it at the PRO LIFE march - so again thanks!
Frank Drackman| 1.15.13 @ 10:42AM
ABBA??? thanks, now I can't get that stupid "Mama Mia" song/movie out of my mind...
Frank
Al Adab| 1.15.13 @ 8:27AM
It is as you say. Stand fr the light even in the darkness. It was this decision and the cultural shift it created which changed our enlightened view of women from honored partners into something else where the only purpose is sexual gratification. They have been demeaned by the assumption that all seek only promiscuous sex and have no interest in family and the strength they bring to that institution.
It is indeed a battle of good v. evil and until we rediscover that in fact there is a moral order in the universe which government is obligated to recognize, the horrors brought about by misguided elites who "know best" will continue. If six million is a holocaust what defines 55 million?
TLP| 1.15.13 @ 9:47AM
Genocide.
Von Mises Jr| 1.15.13 @ 8:48AM
I have been to the "March for Life" a couple times recently and it is encouraging to see so many young people attend.
We see and talk about the declining culture often at TAS, but we are also seeing a "Great Awakening" right in front of our eyes. Stand strong. And God blesses you Joellen.
Joellen| 1.15.13 @ 8:11AM
"They always play it "DOWN" to thousands......
Stephie| 1.15.13 @ 11:08AM
Like the first Tea Party march where obama and Holder acted like they never knew it happened. One million strong at the foot of the Capitol was a site to behold and be a part of.
I will go to the next March for Life. It will be my first and I look forward to being a part of that as well.
Tina B| 1.16.13 @ 7:26AM
Joellen, you make me want to fly to DC to join you. I am a bio-mom to a wonderful son with a equally wonderful family I have loved on and been loved by ever since we found each other. I want to march with those who love the Lord and respect His human creation and defy Roe v. Wade. Let me ponder that trip and maybe we'll get to meet and pray together! And March for Life!
Frank Drackman| 1.15.13 @ 8:35AM
Yeah Roe V Wade Sucks/ed
if you're one of the Feti who didn't make the cut, I sort of like a country with 70 million less people, I like having a couple of empty seats around at the movies....
And you think Obama is bad, think what (the Reverend) Jessie Jackson would have done, if 20 million extra Black Peoples were around in 2000..
Thank Richard Millhouse, who appointed Burger, Blackman, and Powell, that Political Genius Dwight Eisenhour who appointed Brennan and Stewart, heck if it wasn't for JFK it would have been 8-1, and Nixon almost didn't nominate Reinquist because of his Sideburns(it's true, it's on one of the tapes)
Can I be frank? Abortions the only thing against the Demographic Tide that's gonna turn this country into North Mexico/West Pakistan/East China/New Somalia, you know, in the future, 5 years from now.
Frank "More Suction!" Drackman
Jim Adcox| 1.15.13 @ 12:08PM
"Can I be frank?" I thought you were, Frank? If only "Feti" could be seen as potential-taxpayers-in-the-womb, then they might be spared the suction Frank calls for. And I don't understand Frank's last sentence.
Frank Drackman| 1.15.13 @ 12:38PM
You went to Pubic Schools, didn't you?
Frank
Job| 1.15.13 @ 12:47PM
just the opposite i don't think those demographs got the memo. abortion will turn us into north mexico, west packistan etc.
Purp| 1.15.13 @ 8:40AM
Until you keep your nose out of a woman's womb, you don't really believe in limited government.
And, you surely cannot believe murdering a doctor is any kind of remedy. Neither is regulating clinics out of existence - that violates your deregulation screech that you scream about all the time.
Only an all powerful government can stop women from exercising their God-given choice.
Any pleas for limited government can and will be ignored unless and until personal decisions are just that - left to the person.
Joellen| 1.15.13 @ 8:50AM
Purp, stop with the mantra that you have so embraced and really think about what is happening to the child in the womb. Have the GUTS and go see a video that depicts the evil of abortion in detail.
The government is exploiting this evil agenda to gain all power and yet you just cant seem to grasp that.
And your comment " stop women from exercising their god given choice" - whose god would support the murdering of a precious INNOCENT LIFE? NOT MY GOD!
And if you believe that Purp, than all murderers had the god given right to choice to take any life - because Purp, LIFE IS LIFE - from the moment of conception till natural death.
You too eagerly defend this evil - you might want to look into your soul and ask yourself why.
Purp| 1.15.13 @ 10:37AM
When you truly support the "Culture of Life" that includes an end to assault weapons in this country that just took the lives of 2o precious babies in Sandy Hook Elementary school, the end of the death penalty where it has been proven through DNA evidence that mistakes are often made convicting the wrong person, the end of war unless attacked, basically the end of the Bush Doctrine - and the care of all babies from cradle to grave, IF, and this is important, should they need help - then, and only then, will I agree with you.
You cannot cherry pick what life you support and what life you can suspend with, unless you are 2-faced and simply being dogmatic or political, not moral in your choices.
If you truly believe in God, then you know that when bad things happen to people, frequently it is said that it is "God's Will".
Who are we to say that an abortion is not God's Will? How would you or any human being know? Explain that one if you can.
If you believe we are given free choice by God, then let us choose, and suffer any of the consequences meted out by that God - not by you or any man.
You are not the judge, jury or executioner - God is.
When you bring God into the equation, then you have taken us out of the realm of man's laws, which are meaningless in the presence of God, and you must adhere to our respect and awe in the face of an all powerful, omniscient and merciful God.
Tom Kyba| 1.15.13 @ 11:09AM
As disgusting as this is, let's follow Soros's...er... Purp's sickening attempt at logic. "How do you know abortion isn't God's will"? This after trying to use dead children at Sandy Hook as tools to promote his lies. So Soros, how do you know Sandy Hook wasn't God's will? Please don't bother to explain that one away. You are not just an ass**le, you are THE ass**le.
Purp| 1.15.13 @ 4:21PM
Comparing a sad, deranged mind killer shooting 20 tiny children and destroying 20 families, not his own to a totally sane woman making an informed but difficult choice for her family and life. Yep those are exactly the same, aren't they? Maybe they are to you, but then, you're not very bright.
Nevertheless, you still can't explain about abortion and God, can you ?
Have a nice day!
CJW| 1.15.13 @ 6:05PM
Purpie the Village Idiot
"Purp| 11.7.12 @ 1:16PM
The unborn have no rights - they are biological entities until God allows them to be born."
How stupid can you get? God decides who gets an abortion. What religion says God decides who get an abortion, and what is the basis for such?
Stephie| 1.15.13 @ 11:17AM
You cannot stand and weep with obama over the shootings while you endorse the slaughter of innocent babies. They are equally abhorrent and just because one is not "on the ground" as we say in the equine world, does NOT make it any less a human being. The advancement of science and prenatal care shows us the reality of the human being in it's mother's womb. What I don't get from the left who love to hurl their screams of RAAAAACISM, is that a huge majority of babies murdered are black. Doesn't that bother you that this is nothing more than eugenics in action? Paid for with your tax dollars? And please don't tell me that PP doesn't use the public money ONLY to provide "healthcare" to women. BS, sir. You wait. It's only a matter of time before abortion becomes mandatory for certain individuals and of course that will be decided, NOT by the women but by the panels who work for the FEDS on the "affordable care act" What a foul and dishonest name for a takeover of our lives. And deaths.
Purp| 1.15.13 @ 4:27PM
Making them equivalent shows your lack of humanity... I thought better of you Steph... guess I was wrong.
A woman choosing to end a pregnancy is not murder. It's legal, so you can get off your soapbox.
It is illegal to shoot people on a rampage.
Do you really not see the difference? Seriously?
NO abortions are paid for by tax dollars - that is the law. No matter how much you scream you cannot prove that. You simply cannot, because it isn't true.
Your characterization of the "panels" is completely off base too. Those panels already existed long before Obamacare was even thought of.
But they are at the State level, and moreover, those decisions you are so concerned about are made today and yesterday by insurance companies that you have NO control over whatsoever.
You Fixed News viewers really should be asking for truth from that cable channel. Not feeding your pap that you want to hear.
"Takeover" ? You mean like the Government taking over Medicare? You mean like that efficient and wonderful program, that NO Senior would ever give up, no matter what? You mean like that.... sad you are so uninformed.
CJW| 1.15.13 @ 6:05PM
Purpie the Village Idiot
"Purp| 11.7.12 @ 1:16PM
The unborn have no rights - they are biological entities until God allows them to be born."
How stupid can you get? God decides who gets an abortion. What religion says God decides who get an abortion, and what is the basis for such?
John Navratil| 1.15.13 @ 11:20AM
Purp,
You create a dichotomy which does not exist - a typical ploy of your and your beloved leader.
We don't want to kill the innocent ever, at whatever age, and by whatever means. That doesn't mean that guilt goes unpunished or that failures of man are impossible.
Only in your utopian ideal world are solutions so simple. Rational discourse is, of course, impossible with such sophistry.
Now compare the deaths of millions per year burdened by, at most, original sin with the thousand or so total executions in the last twenty years.
You are so deluded by your own self-satisfied "insights" that you are prepared to argue against free will to make your points. Maybe it's God's will that we have free will. Maybe it's God's will we make mistakes. Maybe it's God's will that your last paragraph is such complete crap.
Purp| 1.15.13 @ 4:34PM
Oh, my ... so when is a Life not as precious as another Life?
Maybe it's God will that I am here to bring light and truth to the dark corners of TAS?
Who really knows? And that is the overriding question and that's why your opinion isn't any more sancrosanct than mine.
To the point in the World of Ideas, your side is losing (after my side lost for years), and now you will see how it feels and how sportsmanlike you deal with that loss.
You should hope that our side is quite as nasty, self-righteous and intrusive as your side is.
Why are they not approving the Sandy Relief? For 3 months now?
CJW| 1.15.13 @ 6:06PM
Purpie the Village Idiot
"Purp| 11.7.12 @ 1:16PM
The unborn have no rights - they are biological entities until God allows them to be born."
How stupid can you get? God decides who gets an abortion. What religion says God decides who get an abortion, and what is the basis for such?
Von Mises Jr| 1.15.13 @ 8:53AM
Until you take your nose out the donkey's ass, you can never be a man. Come on Perp, we know you can do it. Be a man and reject the Statism.
Don't you understand that you have no credibility as long as you act like a zoo animal waiting to be fed by your handlers?
Purp| 1.15.13 @ 10:43AM
Statism? LMAO .... degrade, ridicule, but never ever confront the issue at hand, do you? Because you can't.
You are such a hypocrite - Is it not the height of Statism when a woman must be subjected, against her will, to a non-medically necessary procedure legislated by the Government to a Vaginal Ultrasound probe? Or any ultrasound mandated by the government, overriding ANY medical opinion? In fact, a violation of LAW if a doctor does not force an ultrasound procedure? What do you call that?
Is it not Statism when the government dictates who can enjoy the bonds of matrimony? The rights and obligations thereof?
And you talk of credibility? FFS, get a clue.
Von Mises Jr| 1.15.13 @ 10:54AM
Crying like a little Bee-itch. What's the matter Caliban; you can give it but can't take it?
I told you not to waste your time with your diatribes with me. I am way too smart to argue with a communist troll.
Purp| 1.15.13 @ 4:36PM
Still no answer;
Dance and weave, but you don't have the mental capacity to answer. I get that.
Read any good books lately by that oh so relevant and modern smashing bestseller, Hayek? Hmmm?
CJW| 1.15.13 @ 6:06PM
Purpie the Village Idiot
"Purp| 11.7.12 @ 1:16PM
The unborn have no rights - they are biological entities until God allows them to be born."
How stupid can you get? God decides who gets an abortion. What religion says God decides who get an abortion, and what is the basis for such?
JP| 1.15.13 @ 11:09AM
"You are such a hypocrite - Is it not the height of Statism when a woman must be subjected, against her will, to a non-medically necessary procedure legislated by the Government to a Vaginal Ultrasound probe?"
Actually, that is only when said women wants to abort a child. And there is something far more instrusive about to be inserted into her vagina.
Purp| 1.15.13 @ 4:38PM
LMFAO ... oh, THAT is so much different than an intrusive government ... LOL . Did you miss the part "against her will"? Oooh, oooh, and "non-medically necessary"?
Coming from a limited government Conservadum... ROFL...
I suppose you prefer a coat hanger in a back alley for all women, huh?
Go learn something, FFS.
CJW| 1.15.13 @ 6:06PM
Purpie the Village Idiot
"Purp| 11.7.12 @ 1:16PM
The unborn have no rights - they are biological entities until God allows them to be born."
How stupid can you get? God decides who gets an abortion. What religion says God decides who get an abortion, and what is the basis for such?
Stephie| 1.15.13 @ 11:22AM
Probe? Are fucking kidding me Purp? What the hell do you think they do to vacuum that baby out with? Wave a magic wand and some fairy dust and it just disappears? Your refusal to see what this procedure is, is appalling. You do need to go to Silent Scream and watch an abortion. And don't forget obama's crowning achievement, the killing of a 9 month old baby, crushing it's skull killing it while it's hanging out of it's "mother". Maybe it's a shame your mamma passed the PP clinic.
TLP| 1.15.13 @ 12:47PM
Language, Stephie.
TLP| 1.15.13 @ 12:47PM
Trust me.
Purp| 1.15.13 @ 4:42PM
Did you miss the part "against her will"?
Ever see a soldier have a leg amputated in the field after being blown apart by shrapnel... Now, THAT's disgusting.
You're a woman and you don't know what trimesters are?
Who does an abortion on a 9 month old fetus, almost born for FFS - if so, why? What are you leaving out Steph?
I never said "abortion on demand for an entire pregnancy" so don't put words in my mouth.
1st trimester only, unless there are complications or mitigating circumstances requiring it.
f you can't agree to 1st trimester, then you aren't thinking.
Anthony| 1.15.13 @ 3:42PM
Keep your guns out of Purp's vagina. Save the 2nd Amendment.
Purp| 1.15.13 @ 4:43PM
Go shoot yourself; you'll feel better. Guns do that for you, yeah they do.
CJW| 1.15.13 @ 6:06PM
Purpie the Village Idiot
"Purp| 11.7.12 @ 1:16PM
The unborn have no rights - they are biological entities until God allows them to be born."
How stupid can you get? God decides who gets an abortion. What religion says God decides who get an abortion, and what is the basis for such?
holmegm| 1.15.13 @ 9:32AM
"Until you keep your nose out of a woman's womb, you don't really believe in limited government."
Is this the same woman you were urging to "vote with her lady parts", and whose every possible lady parts health care we are all supposed to be paying for?
You don't seem to mind the spending part of government being in her bedroom.
Purp| 1.15.13 @ 10:49AM
Well, let's see, insurance pays for Viagra and other erectile medications so that you CAN have and erection to have sex and procreate and MEN can therefore control their sexuality and reproductive ability, when it is needed.
Is there some reason that the government should choose to help men, but block women from acquiring the same, albeit different medications, what they need for their sexual or reproductive needs?
Or is that plain sexism codified by the government (made up of primarily MEN, btw) Whatcha Think? Could there be a double standard there, possibly? Could that be Statist? Hmmm?
Stephie| 1.15.13 @ 11:24AM
There is a double standard, but killing babies is not the answer. Having insurance, NOT the taxpaying public, pay for BC pills would be a start.
Purp| 1.15.13 @ 11:39AM
I agree completely, being against abortion AND contraception makes no sense. One stops the other from happening, peacefully.
Al Adab| 1.15.13 @ 1:12PM
Simple answer to the moral dilemma folks is that government (taxpayer) paid or government mandated insurance should not exist. Government should not dictate to private companies what they must provide, if anything, in the way of insurance or coverage and certainly the taxpayers should not be coerced into paying for others benefits. Purp and his ilk might be well advised to establish the Purple Guy endowment fund to provide insurance to those they deem worthy, but they must not impose their will on others by confiscation of private wealth and property to finance their Utopian schemes. Charity under compulsion is no charity at all, it is tyranny.
Purp| 1.15.13 @ 4:44PM
Why? Because you say so?
In any case, taxpayers don't fund abortion - anywhere. It is the law.
Don't you people know that?
CJW| 1.15.13 @ 6:07PM
Give us the citation to the law, purpie.
Stephie| 1.15.13 @ 11:28AM
We women have been reduced, by this current administration, to nothing but a vagina. And the fact that the "women's movement' hasn't spoken out on this is glaringly telling. AS my mother told me in the early 70s, NOW is nothing more than a wing of the leftist party. And boy did we see that when they tore Sarah Palin to pieces for her "choices".
Purp| 1.15.13 @ 11:44AM
Come on, Steph - who's sticking a vaginal ultrasound probe in your innards? Not this President. Fair pay act, contraception, choice.
It sure beats a "Binder full of women"... was that a brothel he was referring to?
Sarah "I can see Russia from my House" Palin is hardly a banner child for good choices.
A Quitter, daughter pregnant out of wedlock, witch doctor, secessionist, clothes horse, rogue politician, money grubber ... not really a good standard to put forth.
Stephie| 1.15.13 @ 12:01PM
Not commenting on the probe because you know the truth, you just don't want to admit it.
Obama does NOT pay the women in his White HOuse the same as the men and has just recently shown not to have women at all in his discussions, per several recent photographs. He has HUGE binders full of women. You know he doesn't dig gals, don't you?
You have no room to attack Ms Palin with your dear leader no even being able to pronounce words correctly. And since when did the left care about unwed mothers! The love them and encourage such lifestyles. Gives them their voting base. As for her clothes, let's take a look at moochelle and her $500 tennis shoes she wore to slop a couple of bowls of soup for the camera at the local homeless shelter! barry and michelle are grifters and the biggest money grubbers of all. Despicable people.
RCV| 1.15.13 @ 12:43PM
I'll bet you didn't worry about the price of Nancy Reagan's designer clothes, did you?
TLP| 1.15.13 @ 12:51PM
You've got to be kidding.
Over $1.4 BILLION for President Share The Sacrifice's Vacations.
Even you can't be this Stupid.
Simon Templar| 1.15.13 @ 3:16PM
He can.
Purp| 1.15.13 @ 4:48PM
Go find out what any Presidential trips cost in today's dollars and stuff it in your mouth... you are clueless.
Well beyond stupid.
Simon Templar| 1.15.13 @ 3:15PM
No, we did not as she paid for them herself. Unlike the Moocher and her husband that live high and glorious off of our tax dollars.
Purp| 1.15.13 @ 4:55PM
Hahahaha ... Simon Simpleton ... $150,000 was spent by the RNC outfitting Palin and her tribe. It was all over the new in 2008 and Republican donors were hopping mad ...
Don't tell me you were just born?
CJW| 1.15.13 @ 6:00PM
Purpie the Village Idiot
You do understand the RNC is not the taxpayers, moron?
Purp| 1.15.13 @ 4:47PM
FFS, now Obama is homosexual? LMFAO .. you people just won't quit.
Sarah Palin's discretions are her own, comparisons to others doesn't negate her own problems or accountability.
Didn't Mommy teach you that? OMG I hope you don't teach your children what you spout here. Poor kids.
Tina B| 1.16.13 @ 7:41AM
Grifters is a very good description, Stephie, that is what they are. Very Low rent people for a very high rent job. How they see themselves vs. how they really are. Two totally different pictures.
Simon Templar| 1.15.13 @ 3:14PM
Purp,
It sure beats a liar, slanderer, statist, a useful idiot, libeler, a hypocrite, and a liberal like yourself.
Every single accusation you made was a lie and a falsehood.
Purp| 1.15.13 @ 4:57PM
Try supporting your statements, elsewise you are simply a useful idiot with an opinion.
Point out the lie, point out the falsehood.
You have beliefs, not truths .. and you cannot prove what you believe.
So where is there a lie? Other than your last line of course.
Simon Templar| 1.16.13 @ 10:04AM
It sure beats a "Binder full of women"... was that a brothel he was referring to?
- the binder full of women was provided by a women's right and advocacy group that put together a list of qualified women that was given to Romney for hiring. He graciously accepted it and made it a priority to hire more women in his administration. Lie number one on your part.
Sarah "I can see Russia from my House" Palin is hardly a banner child for good choices.
-She never said that, this was said by a comedian in a skit on SNL mocking her. Lie number two.
A Quitter, daughter pregnant out of wedlock, witch doctor, secessionist, clothes horse, rogue politician, money grubber ... not really a good standard to put forth.
-She did not quit, she resigned due to severe harassment and hundreds of frivolous lawsuits by your ilk that were bankrupting her and costing the state of Alaska millions.
-The clothes were paid for by RNC not the tax payers and its common for campaigns to help with these expenses. Daughter pregnant out of wedlock, what is the problem, the left loves this and promotes it and who the hell are you to judge anyway. Money grubber? Al Gore, Clinton, and every democrat makes millions off of lecturing, books, causes, and appearances. Successionist? Never made such statements. Lies three, four, and five....
You have propaganda, lies, distortions, and childish retorts. Go away little boy. It is a waste of time addressing your ridiculousness.
Frank Drackman| 1.15.13 @ 9:37AM
Oh yeah, well I like having my nose in my woman's Womb, and do you know I can tell when she' s coming down with a Yeast Infection before she does? I'm like one of those Cancer-Sniffing Dogs. She calls it "being Soul Mates"...
And this discussion is about as pointless as trying to convince Afro-Americans(HT Colon Powell) to go back to Africa. Abortion's a fact people, Richard Millhouse's gift to the 21st Century, killing more peoples of Color than the KKK, Bloods, and Crypts combined.
Why not change something that's really E-ville, Disgusting, and Pre-verted, like the Designated Hitter???
Frank
Purp| 1.15.13 @ 11:44AM
You ARE funny.
You have never had your nose in any woman's womb.
Now, go learn something and think about that ...
Frank Drackman| 1.15.13 @ 11:53AM
You talkin bout' MY Nose??
Shit man, I can sniff Mrs. Drackman out from the next Time Zone....
umm Purp, you're making that classical logical phallic-sy.
I know it's "falacy" but I know how you love the phallics.(just guessing, but probably up your ass-ic-sy)
Ass-uming that just because you enjoy Cock, everyone else does too.
Frank "the Nose" Drackman
dominic1955| 1.15.13 @ 10:16AM
1. Anyone besides maybe the most dedicated anarchist considers the State to have the authority to keep the peace and order or society. The State arrests and punishes murderers, the same can apply to abortion.
2. "Murdering a doctor" is a red herring, plus why should you care about murder anyway? Maybe folks like you are just subhumans flesh robots that can be liquidated. Hmm...
3. Shutting down murder centers has nothing to do with deregulation. Deregulation is about government getting its dirty fingers into *LEGITIMATE* business and mucking it all up.
4. God has given everyone free will. Theology 101-freedom is the ability to do what is right. One can choose to abort their child just like someone could choose to knife a stranger or burn down their neighbor's house. Using the phrase "God-given choice" as if its some untouchable sacred cow shows rank ignorance of the moral import of "choice".
5. Statists appeal to "personal decisions" when it is something that furthers their degenerate plans or lets them shirk responsibility. The Bolsheviks squealed for "free speech" when they were just a bunch of snot-nosed "revolutionaries" and then declared that it was no longer needed when the Party was in firm control. "Personal choice" is not important to you people when it comes to the excercise of 2nd Amendment rights. You cannot succeed or fall on your own, you have to belly up to the gov't bar and force the rest of us foot your bill.
Purp| 1.15.13 @ 11:27AM
1. You first have to consider abortion to be murder. I don't. If it is, then so is the death penalty and sending soldiers to be killed in war, and allowing unrestricted gun access to kill whomever they choose. When you apply your "murder" category to those, then I will listen. Otherwise you're a hypocrite.
2. Not worth answering such drivel. Life is life, right?
3. LEGITIMATE business? Is that LEGITIMATE RAPE? LMAO. Foolish.
4. Who are we to say that an abortion is not God's Will? How would you or any human being know? Explain that one if you can.
If you believe we are given free choice by God, then let us choose, and suffer any of the consequences meted out by that God - not by you or any man.
You are not the judge, jury or executioner - God is.
When you bring God into the equation, then you have taken us out of the realm of man's laws, which are meaningless in the presence of God, and you must adhere to our respect and awe in the face of an all powerful, omniscient and merciful God.
5. Statists - you mean like Governor Ultrasound in Virginia that wanted to stick a vaginal ultrasound probe in a woman's vagina? For no medical reason? You mean like forcing women to have a child when they are raped? You mean those Statists? LMAO ...
Get a clue. You wield the government like a club, but it's okay as long as it clubs what you don't like, isn't it? LMFAO ... FFS.
dominic1955| 1.15.13 @ 12:33PM
1. We are talking powers of the State. No one doubts the State's authority in punishing certain behaviors. Stay on task. As to the other things, death penalty and just war were never considered murder and still not the point anyway. Make the proper distinctions, otherwise you're a moron.
2. Then don't say stupid, overblown things that no one was advocating.
3. Killing babies isn't a respectable business no matter how what you think of it. Ever talk to a former abortionist?
4. 2000 years of moral theology (i.e. too much to write in a combox) would say that the direct killing or your own/someone else's baby is a grave sin. Did you just take Philosophy 101 or something?
As to your free choice thing, how about if people go and kill someone they would rather not deal with. OK, now we just let God take care of that. Again, think a little bit before blathering. God and man work hand in hand-or should. Man's laws should reflect the Divine Law and the further they deviate from them the less authority they have. A bad law is no law.
What you say would be equally the case if there was no God. If the laws of man and God have no relationship then one can logically do whatever they want. Think about the implications for a bit...
The State should uphold what is right. At the least it cannot say that abortion is legal/right. A woman can still kill their baby no matter what the law says, but the law should never sanction such nonsense.
Purp| 1.15.13 @ 5:06PM
There you go again .. equating illegal shooting or killing with abortion. Not the same by a mile.
When you can ask the fetus his preference, then maybe you can prove something. Otherwise a fetus is no different than a person on life-support. Brain dead, a vegetable. Completely dependent on those people that are keeping him/her alive.
A fetus that is not born yet, has not been given birth in the eyes of the Lord and so is not a baby - yet.
If you cannot terminate a pregnancy, how can you ever terminate anyone's life by choice? Whether in this example or by War (btw - what is a conscientious objection to war? Do you know?) or killing rampage - until you sanctify and PROTECT all Life by any and all means in your hands, you are still making choices and you are therefore a hypocrite.
And, if you allow choice where Life is concerned, I have my choices and you have yours... they are equal therefore, no more no less. Of course, terminating a pregnancy is legal - a killing rampage is not. But you can conflate the two.
It's what conservadums do.
dominic1955| 1.15.13 @ 5:41PM
Not the same by a mile? Back it up then, genius. What were you saying about useful idiots w/ opinions elsewhere? For the sake of argument, lets take a baby (it sure as hell isn't a peach tree) that has made it to the point of viability. Inside the mother's womb its subject to getting burned in saline but outside its a "Baby" (TM). Is that what you're arguing? Ever read that passage about "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you..." (Jer. 1:5)?
St. Augustine wrote about just war, there is plenty about capital punishment (try St. Paul for starters). Killing in self-defense/war and the State making use of execution for capital offenses have always been seen as having different moral import. You can bleat "hypocrite" and claim some asinine moral high ground until you are blue in the face, or you can actually do some homework. Until then, do us all a favor and quit acting like a teen-angst ridden brat.
Let's try to think again (Its a bitch, I know...) I have my choices, you have yours. OK, then why are you arguing with me if they are equal? You should have no problem w/ our opinions because its an equal choice among opinions. You should also have no problem with anything we happen to enact. If "moral" and "legal" mean exactly the same thing, then whatever a sitting government does, as long as it does the proper paperwork. If we could enact laws that let us round all of you dolts up and gas you, its fine because it would be thus legal, right?
CJW| 1.15.13 @ 6:08PM
Purpie the Village Idiot
"Purp| 11.7.12 @ 1:16PM
The unborn have no rights - they are biological entities until God allows them to be born."
How stupid can you get? God decides who gets an abortion. What religion says God decides who get an abortion, and what is the basis for such?
Anthony| 1.15.13 @ 3:51PM
Only a moron would give the moral equilivance of the actions of adults with that of an innocent and helpless child.
Yep Purp, you are indeed one of the counter-intuitative left.
Purp| 1.15.13 @ 5:08PM
So where do you stand on gun control and 20 innocent and helpless children being gunned down - not by a knife, not a bomb, not a tank - but a gun?
A woman, an adult, making a choice with her own body is hers to make, not yours, not mine.
You are too simple to understand.
dominic1955| 1.15.13 @ 5:50PM
The same people who rend their garments about 20 children justify the killing of untold millions. That is rich. Your buddy Stalin said something similar about deaths and stats.
Also, since when does a woman have two heads or four legs? That "thing" in her isn't a tumor or an organ. So, a choice to kill another individual is only legitimate if the government says it is?
I would not go around calling others "simple" if you cannot even grasp the concepts and their logical conclusions.
CJW| 1.15.13 @ 6:08PM
Purpie the Village Idiot
"Purp| 11.7.12 @ 1:16PM
The unborn have no rights - they are biological entities until God allows them to be born."
How stupid can you get? God decides who gets an abortion. What religion says God decides who get an abortion, and what is the basis for such?
Simon Templar| 1.15.13 @ 3:08PM
Dominic- Personal choice" is not important to you people when it comes to the exercise of 2nd Amendment rights.
I would also add our first amendment rights and a host of other personal choices and liberties that they would have us forfeit and relinquish.
You nailed it there, very astute observation!
Purp| 1.15.13 @ 5:09PM
I would expect that from you... yep, tells a lot about you.
Simon Templar| 1.16.13 @ 9:47AM
Yes, I have a functioning brain and employ the logic and reasoning sections of it and often find the childish illogical and contradictory aspects of your liberal twisted and immature mind.
Yes, your response is another example of this and expected.
CJW| 1.15.13 @ 10:34AM
Purpie the Village Idiot,
Just when I thought you could not get any more stupid yous say:
"Only an all powerful government can stop women from exercising their God-given choice."
So now God has give women the choice to kill an unborn child? When did God do this? Maybe your are confusing God with the Supreme Court.
JP| 1.15.13 @ 11:06AM
"Only an all powerful government can stop women from exercising their God-given choice."
And who is your God, Lucifer?
Purp| 1.15.13 @ 11:28AM
Be careful when you start discussion God - you are out of your league. I am not.
dominic1955| 1.15.13 @ 12:35PM
Did you take a couple classes at some Episcopalian "theology" school?
Purp| 1.15.13 @ 5:11PM
What is your obsession with classes?
Did you brain cease to work after you were done with school?
Do you just parrot what others tell you to say?
It would seem you have the talking points down, but lacking in cogent, lucid debate skills.
dominic1955| 1.15.13 @ 5:45PM
I am not one to be held in thralldom to parchment. You said that other guy was "out of his league" and you are supposedly not in discussions about God. OK, then you must think you know a thing or two about God/religion. Well, assert all you want.
All you do is engage in posturing. That is the "debate skill" of a child or a fool.
CJW| 1.15.13 @ 7:47PM
Purpie the Village Idiot,
Just when I thought you could not get any more stupid yous say:
"Only an all powerful government can stop women from exercising their God-given choice."
So now God has give women the choice to kill an unborn child? When did God do this? Maybe your are confusing God with the Supreme Court
Simon Templar| 1.15.13 @ 2:31PM
Until you keep your hands off our wallets, our children, our marriage and cultural institutions, our churches and our religious rights, our guns, our speech rights, and our educational institutions, keep your mouth shut. It is not a God given right nor a constitutional right. to use the word God and an abortion in the same sentence shows not only your arrogance, ignorance, but your evil. You are one sick little bastard.
Purp| 1.15.13 @ 5:16PM
When you do the same, you will get same. Now you shut up ... you creepy little toad.
Oh, but you can say God and Murder in the same sentence and that's okay.
Seems I recall a phrase "Thou shalt not KILL" ...
not "Thou shalt not Kill, unless you have good reason, maybe war, punishment or whatever we think we want to kill for"
Seems like GOD has given you his Commandment - now kneel, pray for forgiveness or be forever damned for your blasphemy, oh Idolators of Fixed News and Rush Loudmouth!
How can you replace the Word of God with them? Your immortal soul is in danger.
CJW| 1.15.13 @ 7:47PM
Purpie the Village Idiot,
Just when I thought you could not get any more stupid yous say:
"Only an all powerful government can stop women from exercising their God-given choice."
So now God has give women the choice to kill an unborn child? When did God do this? Maybe your are confusing God with the Supreme Court
Frank Drackman| 1.15.13 @ 11:24AM
Abortion, its not a baby, it's like a Life-Without-Parole Jail Cell that doesn't cost anything...
And even if you abort the occasional Genius, you know, Einstein, Plank, Steve Carlton, someone else would have discovered E=MCsquared...
Frank
Frank Drackman| 1.15.13 @ 11:25AM
left out my tag line
Frank "No Aborted Baby ever stole my Car" Drackman
Michele San Pietro| 1.15.13 @ 11:31AM
Personally, I remain against abortion, except in a few particular cases (mother's life in danger, rape or incest)...
RCV| 1.15.13 @ 12:33PM
And what is your philosophical justification for exceptions for rape or incest? Just trying to understand how "pro-lifers" rationalize the "killing of babies" in such cases.
Simon Templar| 1.15.13 @ 2:36PM
It is not the position of pro-lifers but the position of moderates and politicians looking to avoid the issue and placate potential voters.
Maybe you could explain to me how two persons are murdered when a pregnant woman is murdered but perfectly ok to kill the "non person" when it is the mother doing the killing.
RCV| 1.15.13 @ 4:25PM
I'm genuinely trying to understand the rationale, Stuart. If it's simply, "I don't believe we should have these exceptions, but if I said that, the public would reject it out of hand," that's fine. I just wanted to know if that's Michele's position, or if she believes there is another basis for the exceptions because I can't think of one.
Simon Templar| 1.16.13 @ 9:41AM
OK. I do not believe this issue has ever really been fully addressed legally, morally, or practically. It like many things was never voted on but rammed down by the supreme court. Recent studies indicate that 4 out of 5 people believe it is immoral and want it severely restricted. It was introduced to the public in the form of , 'this will be only used in rape, incest, and health issue and performed only in the first trimester when it was being pushed by the Left in the sixties.' It eventually became much more than that and used as a contraceptive whereby the death count is now 58 million. It is now a death industry and its advocates are even trying to stop their 'consumers' from seeing sonograms as it might lead them to reconsider. It is a sick twisted situation and there has been a great deal of misinformation and lies surrounding it. Millions of woman supposedly are emotionally damaged by it, millions of minorities wiped out by it as 50 percent of them are minorities, and it has evolved in sick procedures like partial birth abortion.
Purp| 1.15.13 @ 5:18PM
You really are a simpleton - Murder is illegal, abortion is not.
Now move along low information person .
CJW| 1.15.13 @ 6:09PM
Purpie the Village Idiot
"Purp| 11.7.12 @ 1:16PM
The unborn have no rights - they are biological entities until God allows them to be born."
How stupid can you get? God decides who gets an abortion. What religion says God decides who get an abortion, and what is the basis for such?
Simon Templar| 1.16.13 @ 9:27AM
It can not be both, moron.
You can not murder a non person as you have stated is happening in an abortion. Therefore, you can not be murdering this non person when a murderer kills a pregnant woman. It is sad I had to explain this to you at this level.
Do not reply to my comments in the future.
Your level of idiocy, childish rants, and illogical thinking is disgraceful and embarrassing. I generally do not have adult conversations with small unruly children and I do not want to start with you.
Frank Drackman| 1.15.13 @ 12:42PM
That 35 year old dude that didn't steal your car? Thank Roe v Wade
That 25 year old dude that didn't rape your mom?
Thank Roe v Wade
That 15 year old dude that didn't get shot by the community watch guy? Thank Roe v Wade
That 5 year old who'll discover the cure for Cancer, Male Pattern Baldness, and Ear Hair???
Umm, OK, so he/she got turned into black market skin softeners, Freedom ain't Free.
Frank
cowgirl| 1.15.13 @ 9:00PM
One more....
There have been 53 million children murdered in this country as a result of Roe v Wade. It is a known fact that liberals abort more babies than conservatives do. Just think how the 2000 election would have played out if liberals were no so interested in killing unborn babies. Just think how many Jane Fondas have been aborted and how many Duggars have been born.
Third Army| 1.15.13 @ 1:40PM
Thank you Doug for writing such a fine article and telling the truth, particularly about sex selection abortion. I wrote to my congressperson, Jackie Speier, asking her why she would not vote for the bill outlawing this practice. She still has not answered me, and I doubt that she ever will.
Job| 1.15.13 @ 2:02PM
random thoughts:
abortion is unhealthy mentally and physically i wouldn't encourage it for anyone i cared about in any circumstance and i'm not sure how anyone can watch this procedure without deducing that something has been murdered.
since murder is defined loosely as premeditated killing.
the abortion argument can be strained to the argument where does life begin and what is the sanctity of a life that has not yet taken a breath.
now we can argue this till the cows come home but as long as evolution is the coin of the realm we can't argue this without invoking God which was done ad nauseaum in the comments above.
anyway to invoke God in a conscience matter may be not keeping with separting church and state and will never be logical to those whose consciences have already allowed that apes have evolved into cowboys and indians; never mind how rocks turned into apes we can skip those generations.
Job| 1.15.13 @ 2:02PM
never mind how the big bang theory is essentially perpetual motion which the patent office won't allow. what came first the big bang or the big mind??? thats where you end up when you strain the argument.
conservation of matter and energy says the stuffs been here, does it have a mind is the conundrum both those of the scientific and theological bent have to sort. funny how this is the same argument that pertains to the fetus; does it have a mind, is it life?
some choose to think that it is unseamly to experiment on an animal or eat an animal in which case perplexingly enough these good folks are just the sort to be for abortion but no worries we'll gloss that over and stick to the point which here is to ask: in a secular world is abortion any worse than being a carnivore?
just some random thoughts R's better sort out before they commit suicide again in 2016. to say you'll ALLOW for choice isn't the same as PRO choice isn't the same as pro abortion or anti abortion.
Joe D.| 1.15.13 @ 2:37PM
Excellent points Mr. Bandow! And 73% of the people according to latest polls agree that there should be no abortions except in the case of rape/incess or physical life of the mother.
Job| 1.15.13 @ 2:54PM
i'm gonna throw my bullxhit flag down here; where did you get that number and why'd the last election reflected it so poorly?
Controse| 1.15.13 @ 2:39PM
There is no getting around it. Abortion is murder; legal murder. When murder is legal nothing can be illegal?
Job| 1.15.13 @ 2:52PM
well let's jettison Roberts rules and use Rabbits rules for debate in the tradition of Bugs Bunny and Elmer Fudd and argue ad naseum: is not, is too, is not, is too, shall we...
Job| 1.15.13 @ 3:43PM
nonetheless, i do agree with your statement.
Joe D.| 1.15.13 @ 2:44PM
By the way, was Frank not aborted? He seems to be a good case for an abortion gone wrong.
Frank Drackman| 1.15.13 @ 4:54PM
Conceived in 1962, Baby, sometimes timing is everything...
Joe D.| 1.15.13 @ 3:20PM
By the way, you hit the nail on the head with regards to the me generation. No responsibilities, only rights are to be accepted.
cowgirl| 1.15.13 @ 8:58PM
Abortion Tragedy....
163 Million unborn baby girls murdered because of one-child policies in many countries.
Not enough women for the men in those countries for marriage
The result - 29 million young girls and women in the sex slave trade in the world.
Congratulations to those of you who support and wish to finance abortion. You have done well.
Tina B| 1.16.13 @ 7:55AM
To those without any moral compass, Purp and his ilk, all is well. Aborted women = more sex slaves. Just fine with them.