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Loose Canons
Preventing School Massacres
Are there ways to defend the defenseless?
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“So if you’re trained to aim and fire the TASER, and if you’re confronted with a shooter like the Newtown principal and some teachers were, if you can get to the TASER you may be able to stop the incident right there.”
So is that it? “That’s as far as we can go now. If we had trained teachers, ballistic doors with mag locks, ballistic blankets to protect the kids and maybe even some TASERs, the teachers could make schools a much tougher target and a lot of kids’ lives might be saved.”
Newtown school principal Dawn Hochsprung and school psychologist Mary Sherlach confronted shooter Adam Lanza, and were killed trying to stop him. Had they a TASER, perhaps the killing would have ended, and without their lives being taken. Twenty-seven year old teacher Victoria Soto gave her life standing between Lanza and her students. What if she had had a TASER and the training to use it?
McClellan said, “Those ideas are aimed at minimizing expense and the disruption to the teachers’ jobs. If you want to spend a lot more money you can do more. Build ‘safe rooms,’ hire highly-trained unarmed tactical officers to patrol schools. There’s always more to do. But I don’t want my kids scared to go to school. Schools need to teach in an atmosphere that’s most conducive to education but still provides better security for our children.”
There’s so much common sense crammed into McClellan’s plan, it’ll probably not get the attention it deserves. It does deserve serious consideration, and action, by every school district in the nation.
About the Author
Jed Babbin served as a Deputy Undersecretary of Defense under George H.W. Bush. He is the author of several bestselling books including Inside the Asylum and In the Words of Our Enemies. You can follow him on Twitter @jedbabbin.
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Cobalt| 12.17.12 @ 6:37AM
If a police car had been parked outside the school, would Lanza have committed this horrible crime?
Would one police car and one law enforcement officer per school make a difference?
Joellen| 12.17.12 @ 9:03AM
The only way to prevent evil is to ESPOUSE GOD and his Ten commandments. It really is that simple. There will always be evil, but it seems to have heightened because we have remove our best and only defense GOD.
C. Vernon Crisler | 12.17.12 @ 9:29AM
"ballistic doors"
This sounds like the most practical, concrete solution. Need something to prevent the monster from entering the rooms until the police can blow him away.
TLP| 12.17.12 @ 10:09AM
That's a great idea, it's just a Lot of Money.
We never think of Stopping something BEFORE it happens, ans most of the time, it's because we are Penny Wise and Pound Foolish.
Example: When will our Children get to wear a SEATBELT ON THE SCHOOLBUS?
But, you already know the answer to that, don't you?
When enough of them have been killed by NOT having Seatbelts.
MelvinNC| 12.17.12 @ 7:04AM
It isn't the damn guns. Everyone is so fixated on the damn firearms.
For God sakes people look the hell around us. I got to thinking right after this happened, and actually before this incident. I went to school where kids had pocket knives and in high school we had shotguns and smaller caliber rifles in our vehicles for plinking, hunting.
You know what not what kid in my entire time was shot while I went to school. Then I got to thinking what the hell changed kids to think so darkly now.
Kids today are immersed in violence 24/7. The music, the video games, they eat live breath violence. Kids today don't only get mad at each other,they get even.
When I went to school we didn't have TV, all that much, we didn't have video games, the violence on what TV there was, was limited to motion pictures.
I got into fights in high school but neither of us wanted to kill each other or get even. Murder or suicide was not in our hearts like it is today with many young kids.
Even in the military, young men are killing themselves faster than the Taliban could ever hope to achieve on the battlefield.
The mental health system in this Country is abysmal, mental health care is usually in a bottle and no follow up care. As I post this there is people out there that should not be allowed to walk around in society because their mental switches are broken.
Lastly my opinion, God/faith has so far been removed from kids lives that they have nowhere to turn to but to evil.
Alan| 12.17.12 @ 7:55AM
Dead on, We are what we are. We have always had firearms in this society. Have innocent people been killed by criminals in the act of a crime, i.e. robbery, yes. I don't recall John Dillenger, Clyde Barrow or Frank Nitti walking into a school and machine gunning kids though.
This society is spiraling into the ground. Churning out self-centered, nihilistic, amoral creatures is the result. Guns have always been part of our culture, cultural decline hasn't at least until now.
PJ| 12.17.12 @ 8:16AM
Melvin,
You're on to something. It's not the guns but the people.
Let's start with the family. Apparently Lanza was reasonably in control up until the parents' separation. No father around to emulate. Females alone can not rear their sons into normal men. We're seeing the results all over the place.
I do not fault the mother for teaching her boys on how to use a gun & taking him to the shooting ranges. She intuitively knew the boy needed to be around mature men to look up to. What better place to find such men at the shooting range although there are also immature men there.
Lanza was a loner in HS. His classmates in the HS are typical Fairfield County, Ct kids. They care only about themselves & their immediate circle of friends who are cool (Kind of reminds me why they voted for Obama.). After reading their few interviews printed in the British press, which seems to have covered it quite well, their was no sense of regret from their lack of charity towards Lanza.
I live & have a daughter in HS a few towns away. I asked her about the loner geeks in her school. She said there were a few. I then asked WWJD? She immediately got the idea to say hello but was afraid that they would be "clingers." I told her to take a chance! Not too many kids in Fairfield County would hear that.
MelvinNC| 12.17.12 @ 9:42AM
I'm middle aged now, and I guess I would say I was a loner to a degree. Growing up kids are mean to each other. way worse now than it used to be, but thanks to our government run schools and society, people are afraid of each other.
PJ, drive through your neighborhood and count all the homes that have privacy fences that close the occupants off from being social with their neighbors.
When my family was young and moved into the neighborhood, we didn't immediately throw up a privacy fence, we were friendly with the neighbors and talk when we were in our backyards.
"Afraid that they would be a clinger." My God has the cell phone did this to us to the point of were we don't have human interaction any more?
PJ| 12.17.12 @ 10:44AM
How these children interact with 1 another reflects their family environment & how intense peer pressure is.
Melvin, I can tell you as a parent of preteenage & teenage kids that it is very difficult today to raise children who are virtuous & smart. Hubby & I have a good chance of succeeding since we are both aware of the good, the bad, & the ugly of this world. Most people do not & that is why society is polluted with perversions of all types.
delahaya| 12.17.12 @ 11:23AM
Agreed. Everyone, but especially liberals, blames the parents. But its not our fault our children have to swim in a sea of filth pumped out by Hollywood liberals. Its everywhere. Go to the doctors office and the TV is on. Go to eat and the TV is on. Buy groceries and the magazines you have to pass by are filth. I'm not saying "it takes a village" and I need help. What I need is simply NOT being attacked culturally on all fronts constantly. Just a little neutrality would be a huge step up.
loulou| 12.17.12 @ 11:09AM
Psychiatrists cannot predict which nutcase will turn violent. Druggies and schizophrenics are allowed to pollute our environment because state psychiatric hospitals have been eliminated thanks to JFK. Smelly homeless thugs are allowed and even welcomed into public libraries where they lounge, sleep and do drugs. They have the freedom to do that thanks to the ACLU. Thugs and drifters are allowed to harrass taxpaying citizens because cops say they can't do anything about it. Aberrant behavior is tolerated. You get the picture.
delahaya| 12.17.12 @ 11:25AM
Spot on. They "mainstreamed" the mentally ill then act surprised we have homelessness and street crime. C S Lewis once wrote, "We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful."
Occam's Tool| 12.18.12 @ 12:15AM
Loulou: I can't predict long range dangerousness because there is always a possibility of previously stable people doing drugs and then turning violent, or not taking their meds. But I damn well can tell you who has a high risk and who needs medication. In short, my ability to predict SAFETY is not great, because patients choose not to take their meds or do drugs unpredictably. My ability to state that someone is at high violence risk is actually quite good.
You are correct about dumbass JFK. Yu are also correct about the scumbag ACLU. I'm just clarifying your statements. You do good work, LL.
Occam's Tool| 12.18.12 @ 12:10AM
My solution---shove Riese versus St. Mary's up the ACLU's backside---make it easier to give long term medication to the psychotic mentally ill.
It is SOOO damn frustrating to listen to lawyers debate fine points of the law and moron judges try to make determinations on things they have NO knowledge of. MY CAT knows more about the use of psychotropic drugs than most attorneys who try these things in court, and yet I am bound by the moronic decisions there.
Once a patient is found to be in need of involuntary treatment, the treatment decision should shift over to the MD, who is held accountable by both medical board and malpractice statutes for his care of the patient.
Melvin, you are right that our system is broken, but we MDs are not even allowed to use effectively the tools we have. In Minnesota, for example, you can be floridly violently psychotic, committed to a State Psychiatric hospital for violent behavior, and it will take WEEKS to be able to consistently medicate psychotics who are violent.
The ACLU has blood on their hands. Metric tons of blood.
Sean| 12.17.12 @ 7:12AM
This friend of yours is wrong. At Fort Hood trained army personnel were unable to defend themselves because they were unarmed and he expects teachers to do better. Second waiting on the police is plain stupid when they take 10 minutes to even arrive there. Incident after incident shows in most case they will not rush into the building and put their own life at risk to save you. They will wait and form up and advance slowly. The only solution is to arm those teachers that are willing to carry and give them some training. That will give them some sort of fighting chance. You think a judge in a court house would take a bullet proof blanket over armed security?
Lullabys Legends and Lies| 12.17.12 @ 8:30AM
Yep, put guns in the hands of the Teachers that are qualified to use them, and who volunteer to handle them!! Just sign them out in the morning, and then turn them in at the end of the day when it's time to go home!! And if a Teacher shows any signs of trouble handling them (like going nuts in any sort of way), then they can't have the weapon anymore!! Guns just don't shoot themselves, and to prove this, this school in Newtown has been surrounded by hundreds of weapons since Friday's massacre, and not one of "these" weapons has shot anyone, because the people holding them are responsible people, not lunatics!! Now you can't stop a lunatic from being a lunatic, they're just what they are, a lunatic, but you can put a lunatic down if you hold the "tool" to do that!! So fight fire with fire!! And if you really think you can take away all the guns that Americans own to make everybody safe, then you're a dreamer, and dreamers don't fix things that are wrong in reality, they just dream that they can!!
Lullabys Legends and Lies| 12.17.12 @ 8:30AM
Now don't go jumping to the conclusion, that I'm some sort of NRA member, who owns hundreds of guns, who's unwilling to turn them in because I live and breath the 2nd Amendment, because you'd be wrong!! I'm a member of the Army, so I "do" know how to use a weapon (not that I'm a great shot, but I do qualify at the range), but I don't own a single weapon myself, never have, and I don't think I ever will (I'm just not that into shooting). Carrying a weapon is just part of my job, I use it for what it is, a tool of my job, and then at the end of the day, I turn it in (hopefully without shooting it, because then I have to clean it)!! It works here in the Army, and it can work in a school as well!! The only people with weapons, if they were to ban weapons because of this killing spree, will be criminals and lunatics, because they don't care about laws, or about killing little kids!!
mike 3/505| 12.17.12 @ 7:17AM
Mr Babbin,
Sorry partner, you got this one exactly wrong. the teachers/staff at this particular school were well trained and executed their "active shooter plan" to standard. The problem was n one of them were armed. Your statement that teachers shouldn't be armed is flat out wrong and bears the same bias yielding the same results that the leftists have us in....disarming ourselveds via gun free zones and thus making ourselves easier victims.
MelvinNC| 12.17.12 @ 7:37AM
Mike, you just posted something that really bothers me. "Active Shooter Plan." For crying out loud Mike have we as a society gone so far down the path that a grade school has to have an active shooter plan now?
Every media source has blazing by-lines. ".223, weapon of mass destruction, stricter gun laws NOW." Doesn't the person who caused this devastation, shoulder any of the responsibility of his actions?
Rupert Murdoch across the pond in England is having a frigging field day.
mike 3/505| 12.17.12 @ 8:23AM
I was just responding to Babbin's comment about more training. Training (active shooter scenario) wasn't the issue in this case. Teachers & staff followed procedures to a "T."
The only thing that would have reduced casualties in this scenario, is armed teachers, administrators or various visitors.
MelvinNC| 12.17.12 @ 9:51AM
I guess it is not how you said it but what you said. Maybe it is because I'm from another age. I'm middle aged now and I remember when school used to be fun, at the time I didn't think so but looking back I really had a good time.
I posted earlier that I was a loner of sorts, but doing what that kid did never ever entered into who I was.
Even twenty years in the Marine Corps, I didn't go looking for trouble.
I would say your post really pressed the issue home with me.
SUBVET| 12.17.12 @ 10:45AM
Mike..........we have to get to the root of the problem......parents need to be part of the equation to make sure that the young are responsible.
Our culture has changed...and I dare say not for the better. All this preoccupation with the texting no interaction on a personal level.
It's all by design..........step back and you can see it happen.
Yes.. they are comming.....
johnnytentpeg| 12.19.12 @ 7:22PM
Agreed! Ever hear of the "Troops to Teachers" program after the Cold War draw down?
As an infantry officer, I've trained hundreds more soldiers than your Navy Seal (no disrespect intended).
Shooting is not rocket science.
The Israelis stopped school shootings in the 1970's- by arming teachers.
Doesn't take "years" to teach shooting. Days.
Your average goat herder in Afghanistan is just above the stone age, and seems to be shooting just fine.
Appleby| 12.17.12 @ 7:34AM
There are non-lethal weapons that are safer than tasers and that cannot be taken away from a woman by an 18-30 year old man, which EVERY LAST FLIPPING ONE of these shooters is, was and will be, and used against her. For example, a good-sized can of CS gas that can shoot forty feet from the wielder will disable not only an armed 18-30 year old insane man, but it will also work on drugged-up attackers, mad dogs, bears and other threats. If the children find it and set it off, or if they get a whiff of this stuff, they will be very unhappy for a few hours but they will not die. Doubtless there are other non-lethal weapons that anybody can operate, including five and six year old children.
MelvinNC| 12.17.12 @ 7:38AM
Come on now Appleby don't you know. It is the guns that cause this carnage. The shooter is absolved of all responsibility because the gun made him to it.
Nancy in NC| 12.17.12 @ 7:49AM
Your idea makes more sense than the so called expert. Also, an alarm should be installed on the front door that would notify everyone if the door was illegally breeched. That would give teachers and staff some time to react.
My home is more secure with the basic alarm system. If my doors or windows are breached all hell breaks loose. Shouldn't schools be as well protected?
But does anyone think the politicians will consider any of that? No, but they will certainly do the anti gun thing...damn those facts of the most violent places in America already have the strictest gun laws.
Alan| 12.17.12 @ 7:58AM
Its an old game of politicians to pass laws they know won't work so they can come back and say SEE, and then go to harsher measures they wanted in the first place but didn't have the support for.
Frank Drackman| 12.17.12 @ 9:01AM
umm Appleby,
even if CS was as effective as you claim(it isn't)
They make these things called "Gas Masks"
Oh yeah, those will be banned too...
Frank
Frank Drackman| 12.17.12 @ 9:03AM
Umm did you mean to say CS is effective on Bears???
Finally, this Tragic scourge of Bear School Maulings will end!!!!!!
Frank "Dumber than the average Bear" Drackman
Appleby| 12.18.12 @ 7:33AM
Yes, Ignoranti, I did say bears. Here in Ontario (Canada), one of the things the urban liberals have done is to halt the spring bear cull, having convinced themselves that the bears were here first and they have Rights. Consequently, suburban schools are forced into lockdowns when BEARS are spotted in the neighbourhood. In my community, which is next to a large, wild parkland, coyotes and foxes jump fences into backyards and chase children and small pets, because the liberals believe coyotes and foxes have Rights. Up here you can't buy CS gas, but you can buy Bear Spray.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 12.17.12 @ 9:56AM
The problem with using CS or pepper spray indoors is that it doesn't just affect those who you intend to hit with it, it effects everyone else, as well. Similarly, in addition to the gas mask option that the Doctor mentioned, I speak from 30 years of military and law enforcement experience when I say that these sprays produce an effect, but they are far from universally incapacitating on both people and animals.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 12.17.12 @ 7:41AM
I'm not sure where Mr. Babbin and the consultant got their information and beliefs that arming teachers would lead to a problem. Here is where it was tried and succeeded.
Example: In Myrtle Beach, S.C. a student with Asperger's asked to talk with the school security guard who was armed. As the security officer led the student into the security office the student plunged a large knife, which his father had given him knowing he had Asperger's, into the security officer's back. As the security officer turned around the student was reaching into his backpack for another weapon. The officer shot and killed the student. If the security officer had not been armed who knows how many others would have died.
Members of Congress have their own armed personnel around them and even the liberals insist on that.
The student in the Myrtle Beach incident without glasses look amazingly like the Newton shooter:
http://www.wmbfnews.com/global.....s=11326047
An 11th grade student is dead Friday after stabbing a resource officer who defended himself with gunfire at Carolina Forest High School.
Teal Britton, spokeswoman for Horry County Schools, says the student, identified as Trevor Varinecz, asked to speak with the school resource officer in his office around 8:20 a.m. when a fight between the two ensued. Officials say Varinecz, 16, stabbed the officer multiple times, who returned with gunfire.
Jack London| 12.17.12 @ 8:14AM
I've just looked up the Trevor Varinecz case and the family has been paid a settlement by the school. The knife attack didn't even draw blood.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 12.17.12 @ 8:24AM
The family was paid a settlement because the county didn't have to pay it. All municipalities are insured through the state and the county can settle the lawsuits through no cost to the county.
Since the school resource office was stabbed multiple times by the student it's highly unlikely he didn't draw blood.
The point is that without the gun the officer most likely would have been killed. Do you dispute that?
If so, you're a complete and utter moron.
Simon Templar| 12.17.12 @ 7:46AM
One of the best written articles on the subject I have read. The issue was summed up in one sentence,"We need to change the way we deal with the mentally ill who are dangerous to society."
No one seems capable of using their brains and determining what is different from post sixties America and pre-sixties America nor ask pertinent questions necessary to determine the causes and conditions that have led us here.
Events now occur and all is propaganda and another crisis to exploit for hidden agendas, no one gives a rats ass whether we actually solve any of these problems, but the pretense that they can be solved with additional laws and bigger government rages on. This is another example of the sickness. When the Left are done dismantling and destroying the first and second amendments, they will move quickly to finish the rest off.
Occam's Tool| 12.18.12 @ 12:17AM
My dear Saint: 100% correct as usual, my friend. I prefer to work on Involuntary medication for the mentally ill. the ACLU is evil on this issue, as on many others.
Darin| 12.17.12 @ 7:54AM
The same people who think it's fine for a mother to murder her unborn child are all bent out of shape when someone murders children. How about calling this a 21st trimester abortion? I don't want to hear about how they're concerned about the safety of the children when they champion the death of unborn children. It's not hypocrisy - it's a lie.
Tina B| 12.17.12 @ 8:21AM
Darin you are more correct than most will give you credit for. I truly believe that the current generation having grown up to full maturity with Roe v. Wade and have been polluted with the idea that children areof little value. Why else would we have allowed 50 to 60 million to be killed since then? Value? Only to an abortionist and his/her staff. Only to a politician who wants the female vote. Value in being murdered as opposed to value in growing up moral, faithful and truthful.
I can see the worldview that has created this culture
of violence as stated above, and apathy to the ever
growing moral relativism. Roe v. Wade was the beginning of the end of valuing human life. We are almost there.
Stephie| 12.17.12 @ 8:33AM
Watching obama wipe the phoney tear from the outside of his eye made me think just what you posted Darin. A good tragedy to not let go to waste and we can get this one in before flying off to Hawaii.
I want to know, where are the tears mr president, for the hundreds of kids that are killed in your hometown of Chicago every year. The city that has the strictest gun laws in the country has the highest murder rate, where are your tears and outrage for them? And him up there last night sprinkling his condolence speech with his marxist agenda while people in the audience wept, was despicable.
George S| 12.17.12 @ 10:39AM
Speaking of Obama... isn't this shooting the kind of reaction Fast & Furious was supposed to elicit?
Dodd2| 12.17.12 @ 7:54AM
Jeb,
Your suggestion on keeping the loons locked up is good, but the others, I don't know.
Example: “The first part of the problem,” McClellan said, “is that teachers and school administrators aren't trained" to handle such situations.
True, but many of us find that these same people aren't even properly trained or educated in the subjects they teach.
As for tasers, come on! A guy comes in armed to the gills WITH the intent of dying, those toys will useless.
And what do you do if the guy decides to do his killing in the school yard? Close off the school yard? Or what if the killer attacks school buses. They kids are fish in a barrel there more so than in the school.
The longer term solution: Keep the loons locked up. Oh yes, and bring God and his Ten Commandments back into public life, including the schools.
Gaffer57| 12.17.12 @ 8:03AM
I'm sorry Mr. Babbin but you and Mr. McClellan are wrong about not permitting teachers to be armed. When I went to school many of my teachers were WWII and Korean War combat vets. I had great confidence that they could defend themselves and their students if they were given the resources to do so. Today we have thousands of ex-GI's who have participated in various "Troops to Teachers" programs. I think that with appropriate training these, or any other teacher who has the fortitude and willingness to defend themselves and their students, would provide a valuable deterrance to future mass shooters. Just knowing that an armed teacher or administator might be present at a school will impose an element of uncertainty on any potential future mass murderer.
Von Mises Jr| 12.17.12 @ 8:04AM
If guns should be banned since 20 innocent children and 6 educators were murdered in Newtown, then should socialism not be banned for killing 100 million in the twentieth century?
We cannot avoid the tragedy of mental illness and the irrational acts that occur due to its effects. God blesses the families and the souls of the departed in Newtown.
But at the same time we have a President that tells leftist to "vote for revenge," and Hispanics to "punish your enemies." We are now being told that we cannot tolerate legal guns from a man quoted as saying he "takes a gun to a knife fight." The former is unavoidable and tragic. The latter is totally manufactured and evil.
We have some 40 mostly black on black murders in Chicago every month with one weekend recently with 30 dead. Does the liberal leadership of this country not value the 40 dead blacks every month?
Or is the problem not about the guns at all? I posit that the Ruling Class does not make an issue of the illegal guns and murder in Chicago since it does not provide an opportunity to attack our Constitution and Second Amendment Rights. In this case, legal guns would be a benefit against criminals carrying illegal weapons.
Pecos Pete| 12.17.12 @ 8:57AM
Von: Excellent point about banning Communism/Socialism as a result of the millions of deaths they have caused.
JmsA| 12.18.12 @ 1:18AM
The only reason for the existence of the modern democrat party is to ensure the survival of socialism/communism, not only here but in the rest of the world. Just wait until Jean Francois Kerry gets sworn in as the new secretary of state.
loulou| 12.17.12 @ 11:13AM
Excellent point. I'm going to use it if you do't mind.
Frank Drackman| 12.17.12 @ 8:07AM
Its Painfully obvious.
Hemmorhoids Suck, I mean I can play Chess with a precocious 12 yr old in Bangalore(really, the King's Indian Defense again?)but all CVS has is the same Preparation H LBJ used...
(remember that time he showed his hemmorhoidectomy scar?)
I mean we have to get rid of these inanimate, cold, killing machines.
Not Guns, I'm talking about Young Males, they creep me out, which is why I only tic-tac-toed Mrs. Drackman with my X's.
And it might me a coincidence, but there hasn't been a Massacree in the Drackman household since Lucky the Hamster met Tony the Tabby...
And coincidentally, no young males in the House either, if my daughters want to flounce about with hooligans, they'll do it the way my sister did, on the way to the Women's "Health" Clinic.
Anyway, whats the caliber of choice in this August Group, lets say, Hangun, Rifle, Air to Air,
I'll start,
.357/7.62NATO/20mm
Frank "Shoot em all(AlKaidas, not moppets), let Jehovah sort em out" Drackman
SUBVET| 12.17.12 @ 10:53AM
Mr.........D ......you need more caffeine
Simon Templar| 12.17.12 @ 8:07AM
I am not sure anyone has noticed that this is also just another example of the consequences of Liberal policy and politics that results in calls for the destruction of fundamental freedoms and rights.
Odd, how they create the crisis, like the economic depressions via housing crisis via government interventions and then turn around and call for more regulations, attack capitalism, and demonize the rich, the banking industry, and achievement itself.
The Left drench the society in entertainment violence, take God and religious instruction out of schools, federalize and liberalize curriculum of schools, liberalize laws surrounding mental illness, unionize teachers, steep classrooms in anti-american and anti-traditional values, fill our institutions with political correctness, encourage divorce, abortion, feminism, and male bashing, then everyone sits around scratching their heads and asses wondering how do these things happen.
Of course they are are right there offering more government control and more restrictions and more attacks against the very things that held these horrors back.
Stephie| 12.17.12 @ 8:17AM
We are a reactionary society. The cries to God and cries for change only come when something like this happens. This is the disintegration of our society brought on by the dissolving of the family, unfettered taxpayer funded abortion which makes for no respect for human life, the trash that is on our tvs, on the movie screens and of course the video games. How can these things NOT create violent people? Especially when you remove every mention of God, Christ, CHRISTmas and anything good from the schools and public square! A school had to postpone the viewing of A Charlie Brown Christmas for Gods's sake because some effing atheist was against it!!!!!!!! Are you kidding me? Rampant violence, pornography, the degradation of women and the disrespect for human life in general will destroy us.
One question though. Why, when obama or his liberal sycophants run through the list of shooting events where many are killed during his tenure, do they NEVER mention the 13 killed at Ft Hood by a muslim terrorist?
Louis Jenkins| 12.17.12 @ 8:41AM
Isn't it surprising that for the moment our newsmedia speaks of God and Church, praying, and suplication? Government and newsmedia speaks of "hammer down" on those crazy gun loving nuts? And the pyschologists, well, they babble away about this or that mental disease, but really offer no solutions.
Brietbart has a piece this am were Lanza apparently went to the school the day before and had a confrontation with four adults, three that are now dead. If that doesn't trigger a response from the school administration I guess nothing does.
The only piece of info I'm hearing is whether or not the Ft. Hood shooter can have a beard while he is on trial. If it's regulation that he not have one, then four men should wrestle him down and shave him.
Violence is everywhere. To say otherwise is crazy. The 10 Commandments are out, and so is the mention of Jesus, in school. We reap what we sow. The Muslims, and China too, by the way have come out urging Obama to stiffen up the gun laws over this latest shooting, must be very happy.
Occam's Tool| 12.18.12 @ 12:19AM
Stephie: because I accepted a job there and would have been among those killed if I had not gotten my Minnesota job, and I am the scourge of Libtard scum.
Ryan| 12.17.12 @ 8:33AM
Deputize and arm the school administration, MAYBE some teachers, with regular mental and background checks. Have them carry weapons only on their person.
Frank Drackman| 12.17.12 @ 8:48AM
I think its our Redneck culture...
I remember my Uncle Eli asked me if I wanted to go hunting, I said "I'm Game!"
and he shot me...
Frank "No Respect" Drackman
CJW| 12.17.12 @ 10:28AM
Frank "Rodney" Drackman
Was that from Rodney Dangerfield's routine?
spike59| 12.17.12 @ 10:29AM
I once asked a girlfriend if she wanted to go hunting, and when i got the same response("I'm game") i stuck a quarter in her slot and played her
SUBVET| 12.17.12 @ 10:54AM
Are you sure it wasen't flour..............59 ?
Anthony| 12.17.12 @ 9:07AM
What if... what if.... what if.... that's all we've heard all weekend long. I live 30 miles from Sandy Hook, and the mood around here is unbelievable.
There is unspeakable evil in this world, and the world has more than its share of unstable, deranged human beings.
That said, these poor childeren were still in the school when the left started its full pedal to the medal mantra about banning guns. It was the usual leftist tripe, but with a vigor I haven't seen it quite some time.
At least there has been some discussion of the violent world of video madness that some of these kids live in daily, but it's been mostly a 24/7 assault on firearms.
I'm waiting for the pickets to rally against Hollywood rather than at the NRA building, but we know that will not happen. They know they'll be safe picketing the NRA building, but the same can't be said about Hollywood.
Obama came to Connecticut yesterday and declared war on millions of legitimate gun owners.
The left is in full throat, and is going for America's throat.
Cat Shot| 12.17.12 @ 9:42AM
The Newtown tragedy is part of the price we pay for living in a free society, wherein people live their lives as they see fit. If we allow government, especially THIS government, to use this event as a fulcrum to further tighten the screws oppression, those children and their teachers will have died for nothing.
CJW| 12.17.12 @ 9:55AM
Anthony
That is the MO of Obama. Never "waste" a tragedy. It is disgusting that he is using the murder of the children and teachers to push for one of his pet projects, gun control, to "transform" our country according to his leftist totalitarian image.
All the schools are "gun free zones," the model of gun control, and we can see how well that works. The only persons who obey the no gun laws are law abiding citizens. The criminals still walk in the schools, knowing it is a gun free zone, without any fear of resistance.
Maybe instead of attacking the symptoms of the probem, such as guns and knives, the lefties should attack the root problem, and pass a law to outlaw killing except in self defense? Wait, we have such laws, including enhancement of penalties for use of guns in the crime (3 years in Pa), don't we?
I agree with Colonel mike, at least arm some of the staff, and give tasers and pepper gas spray, get better doors. At our HS we have a township police car parked in front, and an armed officer present.
GobBluthe| 12.17.12 @ 9:13AM
It is human nature to seek answers to questions when tragedies occur. Liberals want to ban guns. Some on the right want to turn schools into armed camps. Both seem to want to subject every American to a psychological evaluation and institutionalize everyone deemed a threat. Fact is nothing can be done to stop crimes like this. Children are targeted because they are easy targets. Easy targets in the USA, Russia, UK, Norway, Germany on and on.
Drunken Sailor| 12.17.12 @ 10:00AM
Sad, but true.
PolishKnight| 12.17.12 @ 9:37AM
Let's compare this situation with airports: Even if guns are prohibited via a simple metal detector, people are not fully safe from bombers or even those who have an unorthodox strategy. Consequently, like with prison, everything becomes a possible shank requiring harsh security. 10 years in the future, it may become common to see kids going through full body scanners and subject to half hour long waits to get into school.
The argument that the shooter in this tragedy used a "stolen" weapon from his parent falls right into a trap set by the gun prohibitionists. Since parents cannot fully secure weapons if their children kill them and take the keys to a locker or triggerlock, then only prohibition fully secures the weapons from them. Further arguments to better arm and train teachers and security guards also fall into their hands. The best defense is a police state run by the left. (So much for the hippy fantasy that they would make the world into a cumbayah campfire klutch.)
The reality is that for Americans to enjoy freedom involves risk not only in allowing law abiding Americans access to firearms but also going to an airport or jaywalking across the street. If you try to sell the paradigm of near total safety, they will require that the government run everything which is perfectly valid... until their buddy Josef Stalin takes over and makes last week's tragedy appear trivial by comparison.
PolishKnight| 12.17.12 @ 9:40AM
Oops. I shouldn't have said "jaywalking" across the street and law abiding in the same sentence. I wanted to get across that walking across the street in a society where Americans have easy access to a driver's license is a risk but wanted to fit that into the 1500 character limit. But perhaps there's a point in that: We all jaywalk, within reason, sometimes. It doesn't make us monsters. In the left's society, we would need a lot of regulations and they be enforced strictly even when they can be disobeyed at discretion.
With webcams and sophisticated monitoring technologies becoming available in the near future, it will become common to have red light and speed cameras on every corner along with jaywalking monitoring. Social media will be "sniffed" for signs of mental derangement. 1984 could sneak in through the back door pretty quick.
holmegm| 12.17.12 @ 9:38AM
The farther back in history you go, the *more* guns Americans had, not less. Yet somehow, the Walnut Grove schoolhouse didn't get shot up. Huh.
Somehow, I don't think it is the guns. Something else must be different.
For some forty years or so, we've taught school children that they are really nothing more than self-reproducing bags of walking meat. Despite whatever silly religious myths their parents or grandparents might have believed.
And today we are actually surprised when people treat other human beings as ... no more than walking bags of meat.
BackToBasics| 12.17.12 @ 9:38AM
The school shootings are a tragedy and so are suicide bombers in Israel who have targeted school buses and stores. The response from our goverment under either party has been to put more pressure on Israel to appease them. But here the same government's reaction is to never let a crisis go to waste and make a political issue out of gun control.
I think it was George Will in his more conservative days who wrote after a mass shooting years ago that a bad individual can kill 20 to 30 but bad governments can easily kill 20 to 30 million, many of them children.
PolishKnight| 12.17.12 @ 10:02AM
Exactly. I guess before I think of something usually a great commentator has already thought of it. I've been saying the same thing to my liberal friends who are making fresh calls for gun prohibition: If 20 tragic deaths of children are unacceptable to them, why do they sweep under the rug the deaths of MILLIONS of children at the hands of their socialist ideology? Even if Josef Stalin was just one bad guy, as they like to claim (as it turns out, he was not much worse than Lenin still revered by the left), why is the risk of guys like that getting loose acceptable but gun tragedies not?
In the meantime, I don't see society going in the direction they claim they're going to create as soon as they win elections. Instead, we have anti-European corporate fascism in the Democrat party which is hardly Sweden they've portrayed.
BackToBasics| 12.18.12 @ 4:46PM
PK, I agree. What's next from the government or citizens in the next few weeks or months even, let alone longer term? I don't think the democrats even know what exactly it is that they want to create except that the want the masses poor and unthreatening to the few elites and they'd love to somehow get rid of Christianity if not its' followers.
xavier | 12.17.12 @ 10:02AM
What a terrible event
MelvinNC| 12.17.12 @ 10:06AM
People, we could have the faculty armed like the Terminator in the classroom and all the kids wearing bullet proof vests and helmets. But that is a treatment that doesn't address the disease.
The disease, in which the Liberal educators, media, and gaming industry do not want to admit is in my opinion is why young people are so immune to violence and death.
Why is it when people are suffering such as car accidents, collapsing on the road or sidewalk many young people don't offer assistance but rather use their cell phones to take a picture of the suffering individual?
There is no feeling of remorse, or a feeling of compassion for that injured person. Then the picture is posted on social media like a trophy if you will.
The root cause is either being ignored and at least at the present not being addressed properly. The politicians are just using this to advance a political agenda, because in all honesty they could care a rats ass what happens out of their Washington D.C. protected cocoon.
Louis Jenkins| 12.17.12 @ 10:21AM
"Justice Brandeis stated: Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy."
Remember, that every day in Afghanistan and Pakistan a drone is circling ready to unleash it's death on some unsuspecting bad guy. Over 150 children have been killed by the "drone" in those two countries in the past year. No one cries or even debates their demise. They're considered acceptable co-lateral damage, and they're not our children. Those children are nobodies. I have seen death in more ways than I care to recount, and children too. It is never pretty. But our government is waging a war, maybe it is acceptable, but that still does not make it right. Until we remove the speck from our own eye we are not clean. The "drone" is Obama's favorite weapon.
Miss Lanza was following Conn.'s weapon laws and the son was mentally off to some degree. The politically astute have their body guards so why should they care what happens in the "flyover" regions of the US.
stmichrick| 12.17.12 @ 10:30AM
Jed; These ideas clearly make more sense than our news media and politicians are capable of digesting. As long as this story has legs, all we will hear about are desperate pleas for gun confiscation.
Remember the atomic bomb drills in the early sixties? They were clearly ineffectual gestures but an armed loon outside a locked ballistic door is less lethal than a thermonuclear event. Somehow I don't think we will get past the false hope of gun laws.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 12.17.12 @ 10:36AM
Once upon a time in centuries past the massacres of large amounts of unarmed women and children had a political or civilization clash at their core; aboriginal and European settlers lost their lives as cultures battled it out over who was going to dominate this continent.
For some, Adam Lanza will be seen as a disturbed lone mass murderer who roster of victims rose so high due to their level of vulnerability.
It may be even more accurate to see Lanza as a warrior of the side of evil in our current civilization’s clash with the culture of death. Until everyone is imbued with respect for individual life (along with the concepts of individual freedom and dignity) and the responsibility to manage their own, this battle will likely continue unabated. Government efforts to prevent mass murder will risk merely shifting the role of who is doing the killings from evil individuals to evil oppression on the behalf of a collective willing to support the actual killing of millions of innocent lives, but unwilling to tolerate a threat to dozens.
John II| 12.17.12 @ 11:08AM
Well, as Al Gore remarked in the aftermath of Columbine, "Whenever these things happen, it's a great opportunity for gun control."
And as the Professor himself intoned at the Newtown vigil, "These tragedies must stop."
The Professor also averred that America is "not doing enough to protect its children." True. America re-elected as President a man with the moral compass of an imbecile, a condition that poses a demonstrable threat to children.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 12.17.12 @ 11:27AM
The current mayor of Chicago, who presides over a city in which the death by gunfire of its children occurs over a less compressed period of time, is famously quoted during his White House Chief of Staff days that one should never let a crisis go to waste. I believe his approach to the death of the children in his own jurisdiction was to implore (or order) his city’s gang leaders to focus their homicides on those who had reached the age of majority (as if a driveby shooter would first request ID from a potential victim before busting a cap in his azz).
Had Mr. Lanza focused his spree on the faculty lounge, would his shooting be less notorious, or would the wrath of the NEA and AFT be mobilized that much more quickly?
There seems to be no shortage of imbeciles posing a threat to all of us, including our children.
WhiteBikerTrash| 12.17.12 @ 10:38AM
Let's use the logical progression the left is using in the call to ban guns.
First it is the object not the persons that are the real problem remove the object and the problem goes away.
There are only 99,000 public schools in the US. But there are over 280 million guns.
Shootings have happened at .183% of public schools by the lefts pronouncement.
If five guns were used at every one of those shootings (extremely high number) .032 % of accessible guns have been used in these crimes. the real thing that is being overwhelmingly misused in these incidents are Public Schools!
So the answer is the ban or control of public schools!
When they point out the foolishness of this you can use their same arguments against them. It's fun!!
Frank Drackman| 12.17.12 @ 10:38AM
Columbine, Colorado, Blue State..
Dark Knight Massacree, Colorado, Blue State..
Virginia Tech, Blue State,
Newton, Connecticut(spelled that from memory) , Blue State,
Charles Whitman, Texas, which was a blue state in 1965....
its obvious, You damn Blue Staters need to get rid of your guns, I'll keep mine thank you very much.
And can we be honest, sure it's nice to know if someone comes into your living room you can shoot them with one hand while diling 911 with the other.
They're just Cool, Fun to have, and its even better that having them bothers those Blue State Peoples so much.
They can have the SSM, I'll keep the S&W(s)
Frank "Don't shoot till you see the Whites*" Drackman
*Fred Sandford, 1973
SUBVET| 12.17.12 @ 10:59AM
Mr. D.....you forgot KENT STATE
MelvinNC| 12.17.12 @ 10:39AM
Absolutely, Conservatives according to the Progressives have three things they cling to. One being the bible/religion in which the Progressives have all but removed from public viewing. Two is the United States Constitution in which has been bypassed by Executive Orders and edicts. And the last one of the three is firearms. If the government can remove or at least so severely restrict firearms, Conservative-ism is all but history for the Progressives and a dream to closet Conservatives.
Beside politicians could care less on a bunch of White kids being murdered, because it happens all the time in Chicago without so much as a second glance.
George S| 12.17.12 @ 10:48AM
Trying to come up with a solution is an exercise in futility. Arming teachers with lethal or non-lethal weapons, training them in lockdown responses etc., would only add to their responsibilities that we do not want to pay for with our tax dollars (property taxes, anyone?)
Locking up the mentally ill? After a shooting like this, isn't anyone who supports the Second Amendment mentally ill? With Eric Holder making the determination, I'd take my chances.
For now, just place a fire zone around schools. Assign a police sniper with instructions to shoot dead any adult carrying a package, bag, backpack, etc., that wasn't cleared or checked prior to entering the perimeter.
7-08| 12.17.12 @ 10:53AM
I live in a community of about 20,000. Every school within the city limits has an on duty police officer. He is there, not to protect the students from a mass murderer, he is there to protect the teachers and some students from the "problem" students.
JD| 12.17.12 @ 10:57AM
The only evil on my mind right now is the evil of a president who would so brazenly politicize this. "Never let a crisis go to waste" strikes again. I knew the moment I heard he was going to speak what he was going to do last night, and he did it.
There will be no discussion over whether gun bans will work. There never is with these people. Obama just announced last night that he will be fighting for a federal gun ban, and that he'll be accusing anyone who opposes it of wanting school shootings to happen. And the sheeple will back him.
Frank Drackman| 12.17.12 @ 11:14AM
OK, I hate the Massacree of annoying little, I mean innoncent little kids as much as the next guy...
But can you get better comedic material than that Homo Pete Williams blathering about how "PEOPLE CAN BUY 100 ROUNDS OF ASSAULT RIFLE AMMO FOR $300!!!!!!!!"
$3/round? No wonder the Rust Belters are moving to the (former) Confederacy...
Frank
delahaya| 12.17.12 @ 11:17AM
Jed's first comment about mental health and institutionalization is spot on. Our society has paid a heavy price for liberals to feel better about themselves over "de-stigmatizing" mental illness by letting them all out and "mainstreaming" them. That alone would do it. Nothing needed after that. However, Jed goes on and I feel like all of the sudden I've been switched to the Huffington Post. No security officers or police. No armed teachers or personnel (but you can have tasers). Just "training", locked doors, and ballistic blankets. Seriously?
Occam's Tool| 12.18.12 @ 12:21AM
And Republicans looked to cut government spending by NOT realizing that Mental Health services are a public safety issue and not touchy feelie bullcrap.
Both sides to blame---that's why it is a perfect storm. Of course, the Liberals are worse, and the ACLU is MOST evil of all, but blame on both sides.
JGW| 12.17.12 @ 11:24AM
Melvin,
When I was in high school in the early sixties in Baltimore, the school rifle team members carried their .22s on the MTA busses!
School rifle teams! Horrors!
KyMouse| 12.17.12 @ 2:54PM
I drove past a school's playing fields yesterday. A group of kids was playing soccer in the unusually warm weather. Someone wanting to massacre kids could drive by such a group, spray them with gunfire from the car, and speed away before anyone could get the license plate number or whatever.
A sniper hidden in a nearby tree could do the same, and speed away on an ATV or motorcycle hidden in the brush.
There will always be places and ways in which "soft targets" can be killed or wounded en masse. Outdoors as well as indoors.
gray man| 12.18.12 @ 12:01AM
The one thing that needs to be done is the one thing the author thinks shouldn't be done. Arm the teachers. Israeli's do it, so should we.
gray man| 12.18.12 @ 12:04AM
Not only arm the teachers, but if collage, allow concealed firearms by legally licensed students.
gray man| 12.18.12 @ 12:06AM
Until this is done, the rest is eyewash. Kill a few of the scumbags and it will stop. Why do you think police stations don't get attacked?
Occam's Tool| 12.18.12 @ 12:31AM
By the way, how to define the mentally ill requiring institutionalization and involuntary medication is easy: they are those who are, as a result of mental illness OR Drug intoxication OR uncontrolled Chronic Drug Use, a danger to self/a anger to others/or unable to care for oneself.
The problem with most commitment laws today is that they require that this problem be immanent. My change to the law would be multiple: 1) that we add the phrase: or forseeable by patient history. 2) That we permit involuntary routine medication to start if the patient is awaiting commitment (paperwork filed) hearings OR the patient is committed, without additional court hearings to allow involuntary antipsychotic treatment SEPARATE from Commitment hearings (Riese v. St. Mary's, plaintiff represented by ACLU---widely adopted in varying forms in other 50 states).
We can't afford the ACLU's version of mental health law any more. They pull ths crap in prisons, too, and then bewail the fact that psychiatrists don't want to do prison work, either. The absolute WORST judges on this issue that I have ever run across are the execrable scum in Los Lunas, New Mexico. Low life vermin in human form.
Occam's Tool| 12.18.12 @ 12:32AM
Sorry: "imminent." Also, "this crap." The state ment regarding the Los Lunas Judges who decide the involuntary medication fate of psychotic agitated prisoners stands, though. Vermin.
David Shoup| 12.18.12 @ 2:25AM
The solution is so simple that even Jed Babbin and his ex-Seal associate McClellan cannot see it: they recommend stupid things like ballistic blankets (!!!) and training (really? like lunging bare handed at an armed perp? That really worked, didn't it?) and completely reject out of hand the presence of a qualified shooter or two on staff at every school (like on Israeli air liners). Does no one remember the Pearl, MS, shooting??? One ON SITE gun wielding defender saves more lives than a platoon of late arriving SWAT members in full battle rattle. Get some armed staff members at the schools!!!!!!!!!! Cheap and easy. (Ballistic blankets??? Give me a break!)
Good 'ol Dave| 12.18.12 @ 6:14AM
well said and I agree 100%
Good 'ol Dave| 12.18.12 @ 6:11AM
So Mr. McLellan wants an active shooter to have the run of the building while staff and students "Buy time" behind ballistic doors and kevlar blankets until the police arive.
What about teachers and students trapped in the hallways when the shooting begins? What if the gunman utilizes IED's or starts a fire in the building? Armor Piercing ammunition is avilable, will those lowest-bidder doors stop AP rounds?
It is time to face the facts that America is a nation under-siege from within. There are too many guns to ever rein them in without starting an all-out civil war. There are too many psychologically damaged people, antidepressant-addictes and criminals among us to possibly restrain without destroying our cherished right to privacy.
Who is going to pay for the "ballistic blankets" and "magnetically operating ballistic doors" Mr. Mclellan mentions for every school in America? (sounds like a prison to me Mr. Mclellan.)
Will there also be daily patdowns? TSA-like federal agents making our children squat and cough in front of radiation-emitting body scanners before they can come in from playing kickball?
All you need is one willing and well-trained staffer with a $500 concealed-carry Glock....just ONE.... to intercept the shooter and keep him away from the classooms. Parents like me would volunteer to do this after what happened in Newtown.....
Cut the crap Mclellan...arm the teachers and staff.
Good 'ol Dave| 12.18.12 @ 6:18AM
the libs will fight for the least plausible solution if it means more consolidated control over the self-reliant, more spending to manufacture jobs, more opportunity to tax, more employment opportunities for fourth-rate unhirables (TSA anyone) and of course...realizing their cherished fantasy of disarming all conservatives.
Maybe we should put all the liberal politicians inside one of Mclellan's prisons.
Ronsch| 12.18.12 @ 3:08PM
Jed,
Why cannot a teacher be armed? If they are allowed to carry concealed (as are airline pilots, and there are considerably fewer hijackings than there have been shootings as of late) then they have the means to stop a shooter.
Like anything else, they should have to prove their competency and obtain the proper permit to carry (since there is a good deal of discussion of the psychological implications of pulling the trigger in training.)
One person with a firearm could have made the difference in that school. one person in the main office could have taken the initiative and dealt with the threat.
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johnnytentpeg| 12.19.12 @ 7:50PM
Question by Jake Tapper to the Prez at the next presser:
"Mr. President could you explain your preference in arming mexican drug lords over our teachers?"
Ol' Will| 1.18.13 @ 6:00PM
"We don't want to turn the schools into an armed camp!" Blah, blah, blah!
The shooters go there because they know that no one will be there with an effective defense.
A taser is only effective out to the length of the wires.
Pepper spray is effective out to the distance the juice can shoot.
Who would take a job as "highly-trained unarmed tactical officer"? Unarmed? Isn't that asking for the same fate as the principal suffered?
Sure, install ballistic doors and get some ballistic blankets but above all allow anyone with a concealed carry permit to carry their weapons inside the schools. When states started making "shall issue" permit laws, liberals predicted "blood in the streets". It didn't happen. In fact crime continued to fall in the States which allowed concealed carry and continued rampant in places where ownership and carry are tightly restricted.
In an armed camp everyone carries openly. In the schools, no one would know if a firearm were in the school or not until the need arose to use it.