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Romance in the Ruins
Life as a single seems to have become the American norm.
Before I go off to spend my remaining days in a Trappist monastery in Ireland, I’ve decided to pen this piece. It concerns the relations between men and women (nothing new there) in our country today. Specifically, the relations between the sexes after having passed the golden milestone of age 50, and those who for a variety of reasons are single and who occasionally dabble in the dark arts of dating, or as a Restoration dramatist once put it: “Madness is the bliss only madmen know.”
I should have followed parental advice and married years ago, when I had a couple of opportunities, or nearly did. I envy now married friends because they don’t have to go through what I do to have the chimera of a social life. I hear: “I couldn’t do it” and “I don’t know how you do it” and “I’m glad I got married when I did” and “I’m glad I got married. Period.” Needless to say, hearing this is always depressing. And at the risk of sounding sexist (oh, dear), I’ll say that men suffer from this arrangement more than women.
As a heterosexual bachelor, I’m certainly an anomaly, as most people in their fifties who date are widowed or divorced, mostly the latter. You only have to check profiles on Internet dating sites to know this. The men seem to want to get something back, to right something in their lives. Adult kids and grandchildren might be geographically-removed from them. Women, on the other hand, being fiercely maternal, are very concerned about the state of their family, especially the welfare of newly-arrived grandchildren. Bottom line at this stage in life: men need women; women don’t particularly need men. And women have no use for romance. Sentiment is suspect. As a demographic example, there is probably no one more unromantic in 21st century America than a divorced, post-menopausal grandmother. Believe me, I know. They tell me: “I don’t date. Nothing personal against you. I just don’t date.”
Lately, magazine journalism is full of stories about women, especially young, who are superseding men in the workplace, the college classroom, and in most aspects of public life. Hanna Rosin in a recent issue of the Atlantic wrote a piece titled “The End of Men,” and tells us that “women earn 60% of both bachelor’s and master’s degrees, and half of law and medical degrees.” Traditional male occupations took a beating during the recession: “The worst hit industries were overwhelmingly male… construction, manufacturing, high finance.” From the right (just lately Mona Charen, Jay Nordlinger, Jonathan Last, and taking their cues from Charles Murray), we hear lamentations about declining marital rates and the predictable degradation of the family, where 40% of children are now born out of wedlock. Jonathan Last in a Weekly Standard cover story titled “A Nation of Singles” tells us we are becoming a nation of “singletons.” In fact, there’s a theory that President Obama just got re-elected thanks to… “singletons.” Are feminists really to blame? Or are our contemporary sexual politics the love child of Hugh Hefner and Betty Friedan?
At any rate, the bra-burning, proto-feminism of the 1960s has morphed into an anti-male feminist groupthink devoid of life-affirming sentiment. The bitterness is amazing. Gloria Steinem has won: “A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle,” especially late in the game when procreation and child-rearing (grandchildren notwithstanding) have become a quaint but tiresome memory, and biology dictates that the libido itself is diminished.
One can speculate if much of this is thanks to the machinations of the feminist left or messages gleaned from the establishment media and our hideous popular culture, but an invitation to romance is likely met with quiet derision. The irony is that graying Baby Boomers should understand honest sentiment as an anodyne to the human condition. After all, at our age the future is bleak. It now includes the invasion of bodily orifices by qualified, rubber-gloved medical personnel; tooth implants, bifocals, and, for the first time in our lives, taking lots of pills for important reasons, not recreational ones.
Another irony is the behavior of Generation Y (roughly ages 15 to 30). While the Boomers fondly remember romance in nostalgic ways, Gen Y has no conception of it, because popular culture belittles it. The youngsters are clueless. Hooking-up and sexting have replaced movie dates and — on a special occasion — a bouquet of roses. The main customers for flowers and chocolates on Valentines Day are all our married friends. Although young men can take heart: In the future they will at least be useful as sperm donors.
We know now that romantic pursuit is “abuse,” as in “stalking.” I read recently a local Idaho newspaper story about a couple celebrating their 50th wedding anniversary. Circa 1960, the young man for the first time spied his future wife in a store, and followed her home, where he got her phone number. She gave it to him because she thought he was a polite young man, as did her mother, who happened to meet him, and “if I didn’t give him the number, mother would have.” Imagine that scenario today. “Mother” — in her hysteria — might have called the cops.
As for phone numbers (and now e-mail addresses), the new thing is that women many times give them out upon request, and then complain about receiving a call or e-mail. “Don’t call me.” “Don’t e-mail me.” Of course, it was Dr. Freud who famously posed the question: “What do women want?” Obviously, no communication despite providing the means to accomplish it.
Then there is the anachronistic faux pas of the handwritten and snail-mailed romantic love letter. Once, a woman passed along her phone number to me by tearing off the information corner of one of her personal checks. The little slip of paper also contained her mailing address. When the first call proved futile, I wrote her a short, sweet, chatty letter. She called me back. “When I gave you that, I didn’t think you’d write to me. Don’t do that again.” I think the divorced, post-menopausal grandmother- mind today equates this sort of thing with weirdos and the psychopaths of yesteryear. I would guess — denied modern communication tools — that Charlie Manson and David Berkowitz are still scribbling touching missives from prison. That’s it, the only guys still keeping the romantic epistolary tradition alive are in 23 hours-a-day lockdown. And since our digital world dictates the death of cursive writing (it’s less and less being taught in the schools), well, that’s that.
At the risk of sounding like a misogynist, these women seem to be completely devoid of humor. Their bad experiences with men over the years has left them emotionally dyspeptic. They have a permanent chip on their shoulders, a bee in their bonnet, a sharp ax to grind. They remind me of Obama voters (and many were), who are yet defensive and bitter and wound tight, even though their guy won the recent election.
Which in a weird way brings me to politics. It’s well known that the ratio of Rush Limbaugh’s radio audience is about 70%-30% give or take a percentage point, men to women. This is a perfect testament to the latter gender’s ingrained idealism. Women who hate Limbaugh and other conservative radio talkers on principle may give the men in their lives much opprobrium for holding heterodox opinions of any sort. It’s a no-brainer that the secret of a happy marriage lies in a man’s talent for diplomacy, indeed the skills of a Talleyrand. Postmodern feminism demands that men — in the subservient role in society that they lately find themselves — keep their mouths shut. Not only have I had a number of relationships over the years, but I also have a mother and three sisters. How the hell do you think I got along with them for half a century? To quote the great actor Richard Burton: “I cannot fathom them.” Me neither, Dick.
But God love them. And God bless them. And Merry Christmas.
About the Author
Bill Croke, formerly of Cody, Wyoming, is a writer in Salmon, Idaho.
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PJ| 12.13.12 @ 7:19AM
The single women who voted for Obama view him as their "Big Daddy." They have no man in their life to protect &/or be nice to them so they go to government to fill that instinctive need.
Bill,
Everything you wrote & I mean everything about single women is 100% accurate according to my encounters w/them or reading their published material, except for 1 group. The Catholic religious sisters are the happiest women I have ever met, even compared to married women, like me.
Appleby| 12.13.12 @ 7:21AM
I have 4 sisters, and among them they have had 9 husbands (and for two of them, the one they have now is not their own). My college roommate married a man she met in a traffic accident, who proved to be an abusive alcoholic who owed a lot of back alimony and child support, because live would be unliveable without a husband. I am a spinster, which in case you don't know, is a woman who has never been married. I have been engaged to a series of crazy men, spineless ninnies and a Mormon who was so cheap that he installed a phone in his parents' home and put a lock on it so only he could use it. And every day at work I hear women discussing the fight they have with some ex husband or other about who gets the kids on Christmas Day. Frankly, my dear, I don't see the point of marriage. Marriages like my parents had seem to be impossible nowadays, and I don't have to settle for less. So I won't.
R Martin| 12.13.12 @ 10:34AM
Appleby, get yourself a bus ticket and head to Idaho. You and Croke sound made for each other.
TLP| 12.13.12 @ 3:31PM
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Appleby| 12.14.12 @ 6:56AM
The Mormon I was engaged to was from Idaho. Not a flipping prayer.
PolishKnight| 12.13.12 @ 1:23PM
I'm reminded of a line in some military film where the tough drill instructors asks a cadet who says he can't do anymore pushups: "Is that can't or won't?"
Marriages like her parents aren't impossible by any means. More difficult, yes, but not impossible. Until the 90's, most middle class women expected eligible men to ask them out and pay for dates. Going out to a bar to meet men was frowned upon. Then they got desperate and many started to use the personals but made outrageous demands (waited for hot guys to email them) and, again, ask them out. They slowly got more reasonable but always lagged behind what was needed. They were always a few pushups short, so to speak, from offering men compared to what they demanded in return.
Another interesting observation hinted by her statement is that feminist equality didn't improve relations between the sexes as promised. Women don't want Alan Alda slackers. In addition, most are less happy. What good is a so-called equal via affirmative action paycheck when wages overall have slumped? It's a fake equality and not even a very good one at that.
In a way, men are more romantic. I gave up on this equality nonsense and just forked over the money for the dates but made other compromises in my favor. I'm a lot happier for it. Sensible men who value romance often get it and it's nice to have someone to hold my arm and laugh at my jokes. If women are equal to men, why can't they be as sensible as us?
TLP| 12.13.12 @ 3:32PM
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Dodd2| 12.13.12 @ 7:33AM
Forget the grandmas, Bill.
Get a young chick.
Cobalt| 12.13.12 @ 8:02AM
For some women, men are only valuable as a source of money and assets. Of course, these women would never admit this.
Why are so many single women so mendacious; particularly young women?
Petronius| 12.13.12 @ 12:48PM
Roger that
The modern female is a Hilarite shark. Hilary married Bill for what she could make of him and get out of him. If she has kids, it's usually two daughters; (they abort the boys), so they have somebody to inherit their divorce settlements. That event occurs when the second kid is out of diapers. Next day, she's on the phone to her attorney with filing instructions and a list of demands for an amicable split. To her, the exercise is only about legitimacy for her offspring and commandeering all the financial assets her spouse accumulates unless and until she decides to let him alone. The days of romance and playing house among the young are gone for all not living in small towns in the Midwest and South. Men lost all their social and cultural clout with the New Deal. The matriarchal macrophage is now in the final stage of their goal which is the abolition of masculinity. All the gripes about the dearth of "real men" among the few normal women are valid because all the boys in the cities are coddled, feminized, and not forced to grow up. We aren't even a mediocracy anymore. We're now a Weenieocracy! Look at how they vote. They are the ones in Washington chomping at the bit to replace the words "In God We Trust" from the money and replace them with I Want My Mommy.
TLP| 12.13.12 @ 3:32PM
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c. j. acworth| 12.13.12 @ 8:19AM
Funny how the only ones screaming to be married these days are homosexuals.
Stephie| 12.13.12 @ 8:44AM
Wonderful comment!!!!!!
Sad article.
TLP| 12.13.12 @ 3:32PM
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Pecos Pete| 12.13.12 @ 8:50AM
c.j. ... you are a genius! Thanks for the insight and for the humor.
TLP| 12.13.12 @ 3:32PM
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Coco| 12.13.12 @ 10:42AM
Bill, if your sexual tastes were a little less kinky, you might . . . just might . . . be able to marry.
Your taste for the hardcore pyrotechnics of internet pornography are too unhealthy, too disgusting for most women to tolerate.
Better that you stay single, in my opinion, and continue to experience sex vicariously by watching those horrid porno videos.
It's a sick, sick world.
Stan Redmond| 12.13.12 @ 2:53PM
Divorce attorneys have to build up their client base again.
William L. Gensert| 12.13.12 @ 8:35AM
I don't know, I think long term relationships are easy -- I've had dozens of them.
I am a divorced man who just turned 54 years old -- and I was never really with the woman I was married to. At least not in a “traditional” marriage way.
I’ve always dated younger women and contrary to the author’s experience, my friends have been envious more than anything else. And since I still have all the same friends I had when I was 10 years old, they all know my history and I am certain of how they view it.
I only started dating women my own age 5 years ago -- and friends are still envious.
I have to say my life differs from the author’s as well in the “romance” department. I have always been a romantic and have probably give hundreds of dozens of roses over the years. In fact, I have a wholesaler where buy them. I’ve always written poems and love notes to every girl I have loved. Women love it, and so do I.
The woman I am with now craves romance. We kiss like we are 18 years old. I’ve written more poems for her in the last 2 years than I have for all my other loves combined.
It’s a funny thing, I have spent my whole life searching for my last girlfriend -- not the last one I had, the last one I will ever have. I think she is that one.
The irony of it is I’ve known her for almost 40 years.
Love is a beautiful thing, but when you stop looking for it, you surely will never find it.
R Martin| 12.13.12 @ 10:31AM
You're a poet, eh? Join us tomorrow for the contest.
Buck Ofama| 12.13.12 @ 10:51AM
PW.
TLP| 12.13.12 @ 3:34PM
Contest at Tuesday's Story: More Pants Than Fire.
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I'm talking to YOU Mr. Gensert.
You won't be disappointed.
SilkyWiley| 12.14.12 @ 11:50AM
Too funny. Delusion rules the web.
Frank Drackman| 12.13.12 @ 9:12AM
Wow, don't know how you do it...
You had relationships with your mother and 3 sisters??
OK, I'm a doctor, I read fast, don't always get it right the first time.
and I think its the facial hair, makes you look like a Mall Shooter/Cereal Killer/Pediofile...
and as a fellow Cue-Ball, embrace the receeding hairstyle! get a buzz cut, high & tight, or a Jean-Luke-Piccard, your current do' looks like a distant mountain range.
And how do you get the (Redacted) out of your beard after you (Redacted) on her?
And my fellow docs/nurses, Oh I'm sorry, "Health Care Providers-Physican "Extenders(thats their term, not mine) will know what I'm talkin bout(Willis)
Met Mrs. Drackman while I was moonlighting at this corn-pone "Hospital" in dumb-fuck North Carolina. And you know how every order on a patients chart has to be signed by the doctor?
Well I didn't sign mine, which made her have to page me constantly, so I could display my Rapist-like Wit, and after 6 months of saying No, she finally agreed to a dinner at the towns finest dining establishment.
And by the time she'd finished her 4 cheese Krystals I'd closed the deal.
Slipped a Xanax in her, I mean, retrieved the dozen roses from the trunk of my Z28, sure, they smelled a little of exhaust fumes(CO impairs judgement) and the rest is His-Straw.
OK, she didn't intercourse/blow me till later,(as in when we had the same last name)thats how your Classy Dames play the game...
Frank
JP| 12.13.12 @ 10:00AM
So, you were in North Carolina? Did you marry Aunt Bea?
Frank Drackman| 12.13.12 @ 10:11AM
You ever see Frances Bavier in her younger days???
not sayin I've rubbed one out while watching "Golddiggers of 1933" but I could in a pinch...
but to answer your question, No, if Mrs. Drackman was any Jap-ier, she'd have to wear a Kimono(actually bought her one when I was in Okinawa, she wouldn't wear it:(
Frank
j heffner| 12.13.12 @ 10:54AM
You people are disgusting -- Drackman, especially.
The right wing of the Republican Party certainly appears to be low-class and trashy, as evidenced by the remarks made on conservative blogs like this one.
There is very little evidence of intelligence; that's for sure. Keep on spewing your filth, losers, and the Republican Party is doomed to lose every election. You foul-mouthed idiots are the reason Obama was re-elected.
Where are the educated, dignified Republicans of the past?
Frank Drackman| 12.13.12 @ 11:04AM
@ J Heffner,
I think in the Shrink biz, they call what your doing.....
Umm, I don't remember, only thing I got out of my Psych rotation was a case of Xanax...
Damn Internal Monolog...
It's your overreaction to sharing a surname with Huge Heffner, taking out your frustrations on others, you know, like how I throw my neighbors dog turds in my other neighbors yards.(Did you know Japs and Chinks don't really like each other? strange)
Frank "Lude, Crude, and usually Nude" Drackman
Occam's Tool| 12.13.12 @ 6:16PM
Yes, I had a Taiwanese roommate in medical School who hated the Japanese. It is not non-sensical, however.
Look up: Rape of Nanking...
Buck Ofama| 12.13.12 @ 10:49AM
>...so I could display my Rapist-like Wit
That's either a pun, or you are too self-absorbed to bother reading your own drivel. I stopped reading there.
Frank Drackman| 12.13.12 @ 11:07AM
yeah sure, you know you kept reading, you Homo.
Just don't try to get me to read YOUR drivel....
BTW "Selb-absorbed" isnt a real word, try
"Conceited""Narcistic" you know, something an ed-jew-ma-cated person would use.
Frank
Buck Ofama| 12.13.12 @ 12:42PM
..."Conceited""Narcistic"
Just like YOU? It's funny to see how arrogant, yet thin-skinned, you are, clown.
Buck Ofama| 12.13.12 @ 12:43PM
>Narcistic
Gee, "Doctor", is Narcistic a real word too? We dumb ass uneducated N.C. hillbillies eageraly await your next syllable, O Font of Wisdumb.
Frank Drackman| 12.13.12 @ 1:06PM
Next syllable?, OK, I'll do it your way, so I won't pop the cherrys on your virgin ears...
it starts with "S" and rhymes with "Suck"
frank
Occam's Tool| 12.13.12 @ 5:32PM
Bill: I despise my sister, can't stand my mother. My sister in law is an angel, my mother in law was a SAINT ON THIS EARTH.
(Con't)
Occam's Tool| 12.13.12 @ 5:33PM
My wife is a fantastic wife and mother, far above what I deserve. I try to tell her what a blessing she is in my life at least once weekly, as I tell my children what a blessing they are to me daily. Married since 1995. She stays at home and homeschools the kids, which is HER CHOICE. She is always welcome to work. Fortunately, she married an alpha-male and doesn't have to. She views her job as running the home and supporting me, and does a damn fine job of it. I, in turn, write paeans to her genius, beauty, sweetness, and child rearing skills. As I have stated before, the 3 best decisions of my life were: 3) leaving California, 2) marrying her (I have always told her I should have married her in 2 weeks, not 2 years), and 1) adopting my two fabulous Mayan kids.
Occam's Tool| 12.13.12 @ 5:33PM
Recommendation to you: get yourself a membership in something like: "It's just lunch." Always compliment the ladies.
Another approach which always works is "the neutered cat." Purr, be always pleasant, and never "on the pull." Eventually the women in your life will set you up with someone.
I met She Who Must Be Obeyed at a 4th of July party 6 days after I moved to Alabama in 1993. This was a party set up by my hospital administrator to allow me to meet the financial and other important people in the small town in which I moved to practice Medicine. (I did NOT, however, meet the pilot of The Memphis Belle, who I later found out (after he was dead) lived in my small outlying village of that small town. THE major disappointment of my life in Alabama.)
There is another possibility to consider, Bill: the women may just not want to meet you, dear sir. If I were to become single due to my wife's death now, I would have an active social life as quickly as I wanted it.
RJ| 12.13.12 @ 10:31PM
As a Californian, I am most intrigued that your best decision was to leave the state. It is an action which I have contemplated for the last decade. I wonder how much my daily life will be improved by leaving and where to go. I am concerned however that the California disease is spreading across the nation.
What were the major improvements to your life upon leaving California and what type of state/community do you think is best to call home? The factors that I am using are social values (although they seem to be changing quickly everywhere), crime, health care, weather and cost.
I am sorry that you missed out in meeting Bob Morgan. My uncle was a B-17 pilot in another Bomb Group of the Eight Air Force (303) and his plane was one of the planes in the competition to be brought back for the Savings Bond drive. The 303 Bomb Group has an active Internet site and in past years, Mrs. Morgan visited the site and posted her comments. I hope you got the opportunity to meet her.
SilkyWiley| 12.14.12 @ 12:02PM
RJ, I left in 93. The joke was "How to make a small fortune in California? Move there with a big one." That certainly described my state of affairs. It took a while, but I am more prosperous, much happier and my state is run by a bunch of conservatives who passed their math classes. Also, the elections are not fraudulent. I observed voter fraud in north San Diego and Orange County and could see which way the wind was going to blow, also there was rampant corruption and my employees were stealing my equipment and software. My son slept at the office the last few weeks so we could get our equipment out. The populace itself seemed plastic. So that is what I found, still have good friends and some family in Cali and when I visit, I feel like a time warp, no new furniture, no improvements to their homes, but they have their Prius. And big mortgages to sent their kids to college. Funny actually, but I sometimes have the hair on the back of my neck stand up when visiting California and breath a sigh of relief when the plane leaves the runway.
RJ| 12.14.12 @ 1:38PM
You picked a good time to leave. I started worrying about California in the early 1990s when I served on a relocation team for my employer and was able to compare it with other states. I kept thinking that Californians would see the error of their ways and start a reform movement, but it has continued to get worse and worse. As of 2012, the only reason basis for thinking reform might happen is bankruptcy.
Stan Redmond| 12.13.12 @ 2:56PM
I think I read something similar to this read by Chris Hanson on TCAP.
TLP| 12.13.12 @ 3:35PM
Contest at Tuesday's Story: More Pants Than Fire.
Look for Pinnochio.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 12.13.12 @ 9:14AM
During the 1960s and 70s, cohabitation began to replace marriage because the latter was merely a piece of paper, whereas the former was to be held together with Love. By the late 1970s, when Marvin v. Mitchellson dramatized the expansion of family and domestic relations law and the tangible benefits (inheritance, benefits eligibility, etc.) associated with “making it legal”, suddenly, Love was no longer enough for those traditionally forbidden by law to marry one another. As a result, the void in the line at Clerk of the Peace’s office for marriage licenses is clamoring to be filled by those whose Love was once so forbidden, it could not be called by its name.
I supposed we all should be grateful that Obama did not insert a provision in the “Affordable Care Act” to overturn DOMA and institute a federal regulation approving homosexual marriage (along with polygamy, etc.) as a means to increase those with access to health insurance benefits of their partners.
Pecos Pete| 12.13.12 @ 11:37AM
Albert: Are you sure (positive?) that the partner stuff you mentioned is NOT in KingOcare? That legislation is rather complicated with all of the references to inclusion by reference to other legislation. Anyway, probably doesn't matter, as an Executive Order can be issued to resolve any lingering failures of inclusion.
TLP| 12.13.12 @ 3:35PM
Contest at Tuesday's Story: More Pants Than Fire.
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R Martin| 12.13.12 @ 12:04PM
Al, Bastiat Society meeting tonight 6 pm at ISI on Centerville Road. Open to the public; drinks and pizza afterward. I'll be there.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 12.13.12 @ 12:49PM
Unfortunately, I am scheduled to be at the DAP down the road on Lancaster Ave for an annual Christmas shindig around that time. Still, I appreciate the invite, and if I can re-work the schedule somewhat, perhaps...
R Martin| 12.13.12 @ 1:20PM
Most people are still there until after 8 pm. Fred Smith from the Competitive Enterprise Institute will be discussing free markets.
TLP| 12.13.12 @ 3:36PM
Contest at Tuesday's Story: More Pants Than Fire.
Look for Pinnochio.
Frank Drackman| 12.13.12 @ 9:15AM
"Salmon, Idaho"
THATS your problem,
do yourself a favor, tour the campus of any SEC school,(except Vanderbilt), in the Spring preferably.
Better make sure your seats in the full back position, Nome Sane?
Frank
Occam's Tool| 12.13.12 @ 5:35PM
Buck: Frank is generally funny. I liked the "rapist" like wit, as opposed to "rapier." That's what's called "self-deprecatory."
Occam's Tool| 12.13.12 @ 5:37PM
Highly recommend University of Alabama. Or you could go Big 12 and my alma mater Texas Christian. Colby Hall, specifically.
SilkyWiley| 12.14.12 @ 12:07PM
Salmon is great if you want to run the rivers or if you want to go elk hunting or on excellent horse rides, but for women? Come on! I suppose you go to the Stanley Stomp.
PolishKnight| 12.13.12 @ 9:24AM
A friend of mine referred to the role of modern men in dating as that of a clown: Clowns are required to be continually entertaining otherwise the audience (short attention span children) wanders. In older times, men were respected and appreciated for what they brought (financial stability, reliable friendship) to a marriage but feminism taught women to regard those things as entitlements and even oppression (often simultaneously). Many women told me that overall they didn't like men but could like a "perfect" man but the second he was not useful, he was gone. So a marriage is a one sided arrangement of a man being perfect while the woman does as she pleases.
I married a woman who loves her father and the other men in her life and I felt that was a good foundation to start with. Conservative men in the states have often spoiled or overindulged women with entitlements and this is why they are not useful mates.
TLP| 12.13.12 @ 3:36PM
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Look for Pinnochio.
Appleby| 12.14.12 @ 7:09AM
When I was young, the mantra was "Aim High And Settle." When a woman had the choice between living with her parents and marrying some neighbour who brought the paycheque home and was good to her and the kids, the men held all the cards. Now a woman can stand back and say, "Will this man make my life better?" Odds are he won't, and then she can move along. My own minimum standards include lack of bossiness (that is, no overt attempt to control every minute of my life), a full time job in a field he enjoys -- and no desire to quit his job and 'find himself' while I keep working -- no history or symptoms of mental illness, no previous marriage or non-custodial children whose child support is in arrears, no alcoholism, no outstanding warrants, an ability to speak entire sentences without including the word F**k or S**t even once, and a solid belief in God that includes the Catholic religion. Oh, and no urge to farm, or in fact to live in a location where one cannot get anywhere without driving. I have been told that my standards are too high. Nonsense. They are my standards, and I do not insist anybody meet them. My father met them all and he stayed married to my mother for 62 years until his death. I'd say that was a pretty good record.
PolishKnight| 12.14.12 @ 11:00AM
Appleby, your summary proved precisely what I just said: What was regarded as something to be grateful for in the past is now regarded as an entitlement. He should still work full time but now at a "field he enjoys"!?!? That's nice when a man (or woman) can get it, but unless you have some political pull, most of us have to work in the true meaning of the word (it's not playtime but work.)
In the meantime, women need men as much as ever. Those mortgage payments are high and even Georgetown law students can barely afford their contraceptive payments much less to have a child and pay for daycare (and with Obamacare, moreso!) It was not uncommon for professional women I dated to be especially in dire straights financially due to the high cost of living and a shortage of profe$$ional men to go around.
So when a woman had a "I don't need a man attitude" I said sure, I'll move on, and you can pick up half the check. We were both one day older and my options grew daily. My friends have wives that dumped them because "all" they brought home was a paycheck and took care of things. The wives came crawling back a few months later but the men had moved on. Mexicans repair windows? Cost $3000 for one ex-wife of a friend.
holmegm| 12.13.12 @ 9:34AM
>Hanna Rosin in a recent issue of the Atlantic
>wrote a piece titled "The End of Men," and tells
>us that "women earn 60% of both bachelor's and
>master's degrees, and half of law and medical
>degrees." Traditional male occupations took a
>beating during the recession: "The worst hit
>industries were overwhelmingly male…
>construction, manufacturing, high finance."
Yeah, good luck with that ladies. We will always need buildings (unless we are planning to emulate Europe with their ruins as well as their politics), but we may not always be able to afford the telephone sanitizers (cf Douglas Adams)
JP| 12.13.12 @ 9:57AM
Have you ever considered the possibilites men will only be needed to "serve" the desires of the women and their metrosexual mates? The "needy" woman who prefers a man to "manly" (fix the faucet, change the oil, cut the grass) is a thing of the past? Heck, in California that's what you have Mexicans for.
Frank Drackman| 12.13.12 @ 10:14AM
Speak it Brutha!!!!
changed the water pump on Mrs. Drackmans overpriced Nazi POS, I mean 330i, hey, it only took, 4, I mean 14 hours, and what thanks do I get??
(Fran Dresher voice)"Wont that void the War-an-teaaaaaaaa????????"
and I was going to say that she hadn't blown me since the last time the warranty was in effect, but I regressed, sometimes its better to remain silent, and not get divorced than to speak...
Frank
Buck Ofama| 12.13.12 @ 10:42AM
>it only took, 4, I mean 14 hours,
A dyke could have done it faster.
Frank Drackman| 12.13.12 @ 11:08AM
Yeah, right, like youve changed anything other than your sex,
WHOA!!!!!!! Homo.
Frank
Buck Ofama| 12.13.12 @ 12:47PM
You have repeatedly used the term, "homo", in your juvenile retorts. You would probably find relief from your homophobia through long-term psychotherapy. On the other hand, it might be contraindicated, as it could illuminate some threatening deep-seated latent homosexual tendencies. I think the best course of action is for you to hire dykes to do all the manly things you can't do, such as fixing your domme's BMW.
Frank Drackman| 12.13.12 @ 1:10PM
I get it...
You're a Lesbo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
not that there's anything wrong with that, some of the hottest women I've her-ass-ed have been Rug Munchers,
or claimed to be.
But enough about your failure in longterm relationships,
that BMW Waterpump, first there's like 3 fckin heatshields, then theres this other contraption that Einstein himself couldnt figure out how to get off(I used a hammer) and that
"Reassembly is the reverse of Disassembly" always fcks me up, cause I'm dislexic, I mean Stupid.
Frank "Lesbo in a Homos body" Drackman
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Arena L.| 12.13.12 @ 6:07PM
Well spoken, Frank. You've got a lot to say, and you say it so well.
Naomi| 12.13.12 @ 6:09PM
Ditto, Arena.
JP| 12.13.12 @ 9:55AM
It's not quite as bad as Bill Croke thinks. As a matter of fact, in many the cases the reverse is true. A single female professional who is 45 now must compete with women half her age. The sex revolution runs both ways. And the number of single females 20-25 in search of Sugar Daddies has gone up. The stigma was broke awhile ago. There are some stipulations, of course. A 50 year old successfull businesman is more likely to succeed than a 50 year old single plumber. The 50 year single plumber had better have the looks of Brad Bitt and not Ed O'Niel. An overwieght 50 year old businessman had better have a McMansion and a 6 or 7 figure income.
Additonally, a 45 or 50 year old single professional woman is more than likely unwilling to lower her standards for love. As Charles Murray wrote recently, if the single woman with a masters degree or a law degree she will usually go after men within a very narrow range (same educational and professional pedigree as hers). She will not "date" the "help", nor will she fall in love with a 35 year old cuddly, cute male who still lives at home with his mother (that only happens in the movies).
Most men who are single at 50 (that is never married) are either gay or just prefer to be alone (I met a few).
Buck Ofama| 12.13.12 @ 10:45AM
> ...the single woman with a masters degree or a law degree she will usually go after men within a very narrow range...
LOL. I was stuck with one of those once. 8 years in a loveless marriage. Glad I got rid of my lawyer-bitch. She never could trap a man again, and became a fat cow.
PolishKnight| 12.13.12 @ 10:53AM
In the early 90's when these women were emerging, it was not uncommon for them to "settle" for buying diamonds for themselves (I dated one of them) rather than "marrying down" their pedigree. When people began to laugh at them and made a joke of women buying diamonds for themselves (kind of like men bragging about staying at home and watching adult films), they adapted. Most such women are willing to "date down" in particular ways. They are poaching top-level working class men such as policemen, firemen and the military. What snobby lawyer b**** is going to worry about having her policeman friend made fun of at parties? Especially if he can help fix tickets...
No need to look like Brad Pitt or be a CEO. Simply be at least 5'10" (6 feet a plus) and no major disfigurements and have a white collar job and be a homeowner in a decent neighborhood but that's difficult nowadays as the middle class shrinks with the Republican establishment ok with that.
Seek| 12.13.12 @ 4:24PM
Can women be that materialistic? (Nudge, wink). Is it all about the money, the bling? What about the "spiritual" values they always yak about in their personals profile or warmup conversations?
Question: Can women be spiritual? Can one find God with a woman? Nietzsche, like Bill Croke, a brilliant bachelor, said it was not possible.
PolishKnight| 12.14.12 @ 11:05AM
Seek, I went outside the USA and yes, a lot of women very nice and smart to boot. Even in Western Europe, amazingly. The problem is that the USA has a lot of materialistic, selfish women not only in the cities but in rural areas as well. I blame TV and the media which pumps out nonstop feminist entitlement reminders and a national education system that brainwashes women to believe that they are victims of oppression while simultaneously entitled to "traditional" privilege (How can tradition be both oppression and privilege simultaneously? Only a woman's mind and an indulgent chivalrous could buy into that!)
I have someone to hold my arm when I go to the opera and ballet, on a nice dinner cruise or out to a nice ethnic restaurant and laugh about old and new experiences. That's romance and as a man, I found it and someone who appreciates it. Feminism taught women that happiness was to be found only in the workplace and the shopping mall. I hope for their sake they're right.
Frank Drackman| 12.13.12 @ 11:50AM
first of all, unless your a young girl, using LOL makes you look creepy.
Second of all, sounds like somebody doesn't know how to pleasure a woman...
Its like pleasuring yourself, only the parts are different(or maybe they aren't, don't ask/dont smell)
third of all, Stop with the clever ways to avoid using words that are proud parts of our Angle-Saxon language.
You want to say "Fuck Obama" SAY IT, This isn't I-ran(yet) Nobody's gonna cut your tongue out.
Not that your wife would miss it... WHOA
OK, maybe the FBI will surround your house, pump flamable gas in, set you on fire, THEN they'll really get tough...
Frank
Buck Ofama| 12.13.12 @ 12:49PM
Dorkman, you once again reveal your tremendous insecurity and rage, which is probably due to your emasculated ego mass. Moreover, I don't give a fvck what you think about my terminology, so LOL again! Now go get a dyke to fix your wife's car.
Frank Drackman| 12.13.12 @ 1:14PM
You get a Dyke to Fix YOUR Wifes sex drive, I mean Car..HAHAHAHAHAHA what a burn...
Dude, did you ever box? wrestle? have older sisters?
cause you leave yourself more wide open than Barney Frank at a Congressional Page "Meet & Eat"...
but come back for more if you want, I loved slapping around the retarded kids...(only kids I could beat up)
Frank
Occam's Tool| 12.13.12 @ 5:38PM
Buck: I dated several lawyer bitches, including "The She-Bitch From Hell."
Lawyer women aren't bright.
Cobalt| 12.13.12 @ 10:06AM
feminism = emasculation of men
Frank Drackman| 12.13.12 @ 10:16AM
Oh yeah,
ditch the shades, you look like the Uni-Bomber...
Frank
Buck Ofama| 12.13.12 @ 10:27AM
> ...there is probably no one more unromantic in 21st century America than a divorced, post-menopausal grandmother.
Perhaps so, but there is always the occasional older lonely and repressed slut. And her I am willing to bang once or twice, depending on how long I can stand her incessant and annoying yammering. But soon, the question turns to, "Hey, why are you STILL here?"
I recall the wise prose, "In Praise of Older Women":
They don't tell, they don't swell, and they don't smell (usually).
In general, middle aged and older women are useless.
Datsun 2000 Mark| 12.13.12 @ 10:34AM
Bill,
Good piece and I agree and would like to add...
Being post 50 and divorced I found most of the Internet dating women looking for someone to make them happy while making themselves (and former husbands) unhappy. If these women were liberal they were also very intolerant towards a conservative. However....we have a great opportunity to distinquish ourselves by being a *gentlemen* and show the younger generation the quality of being a Man. Moreover, despite the economic times this is the greatest time of our lives if we pursue the little things that are hard to do and do them well.
Buck Ofama| 12.13.12 @ 10:46AM
"...we have a great opportunity to distinquish ourselves by being a *gentlemen* and show the younger generation the quality of being a Man. "
The cvnts won't recognize it, so don't bother.
Frank Drackman| 12.13.12 @ 11:51AM
whats a "cvnt"
Frank
Buck Ofama| 12.13.12 @ 12:50PM
A cvnt is synonymous with Frank Drackman, aka Fvck Dorkman, LOL. See, I used LOL again, Dorkman... are you going to piss yourself again over my terminology? LOL.
Frank Drackman| 12.13.12 @ 10:36AM
Best part of bein married???
well lets see, theres the marriage "Penalty"
Oh yeah, you have to pay more taxes too...
And there's gymnastics meets during vital SEC football games :(, lack of 4 door Corvettes, annoying In-Laws, annoying wifes friends,
then when your daughters get past puberty, its that constant fight to keep peni out of their vaginas/mouths, make sure they don't meet any black guys, I mean,
and the worst part, when you have to host like 20 of her BFFs for a sleep over...Oh the Humanity!!!!!
Frank
j heffner| 12.13.12 @ 10:58AM
You surely are an angry man. Angry and profane.
Frank Drackman| 12.13.12 @ 11:10AM
You left out racist, sexist, and if I was any more Homo-fobic, I'd be an NBA player...
and stop torturing us with the "J" are you a Jane or a Jim?
Frank "Angry, Profane, and dangerous to blow" Drackman
Kelly frm Pacific Heights| 12.13.12 @ 11:45AM
j heffner,
Frank Drackman and TLP and a few other posters are TROLLS who are hell-bent on making the readership of AmSpec look like hateful, repulsive buffoons.
When you read their foul-mouthed diatribes, you infer that the rest of the readership is--like Drackman, TLP, and cohorts-- low class and low IQ .
They undermine AmSpec's attempts to enlighten readers on today's political issues.
Frank Drackman| 12.13.12 @ 12:00PM
@ Kelly
Ahh, Pacific Heights, Pacific Palisades older, uglier spinster sister....
and admit it, you've got a Cat.
"Low Class"??? I know you are but what am I?
This is America, where even a Mulatto(its a real word, look it up)Socialist Muslim can win an electoral landslide.
"Low IQ"??? Who would you rather have in your bed on a cold Pacific Heights Night, Steven Hawkins, or a dude who could make you squeal like Vanessa del Rio in her Orgasmic prime...
OK, you might scream if one of your nipples got caught in the spokes of Steve-O's wheelchair, some chicks are into that...
anyway, I'm the only reason most people come to TAS anyway...
Frank
Buck Ofama| 12.13.12 @ 1:47PM
@Frank
Finally we agree on something: the election of the MULATTO, foisted upon the fawning, slobbering, white guilt-ridden sycophants as "the first black president".
No, Ovomit is not "black"; he is merely mulatto.
I'm so disgusted with politics that I'm going to go fix my BMW water pump now.
Frank Drackman| 12.13.12 @ 2:39PM
yeah, right, you'll be lucky to find the G Spot, I mean Hood Release...
frank
Occam's Tool| 12.13.12 @ 5:41PM
Another man who recognizes the great Vanessa Del Rio. Frank, Frank, we trained so much alike...
TLP| 12.13.12 @ 3:39PM
I have an IQ of 148 Sweetheart.
And, NOBODY gives a Sh*t what you think.
Trust me.
Occam's Tool| 12.13.12 @ 5:45PM
I figured you for another Mensan, Tim. I wonder what's eating rat-face from the Left Coast?
Oh, and Kelly: $30,000 plus in academic scholarships in 1979, 2 medical school acceptances, a full tuition 4 year scholarship at TCU for academics, and an MD at age 25.
I may be foul mouthed, wench, but I ain't dumb.
And Ronda, I hope you get someone wonderful, as you deserve it.
Aristocat| 12.14.12 @ 2:18AM
You're right...I'm so tired of these guys getting in the way of intelligent conversations...
Aristocat| 12.14.12 @ 2:19AM
That was directed to Kelly..
Ronda| 12.13.12 @ 11:00AM
BALONEY, MR. CROKE.
Fine. Go ahead and listen to the Gloria Steinems of the world. Ignore the rest of us normal women. You won't find us in bars; you're more likely to find us in church pews.
We would love to have romance.
What we have no use for (any longer) is fake men.
Frank Drackman| 12.13.12 @ 11:12AM
Hey Ronda, whats shakin.
did you used to spell it "Rhonda"
ever hang out at the Circle K, Rockingham NC, circa 1990?
Frank
Ronda| 12.13.12 @ 12:37PM
Um, nothing. Obviously.
:)
No.
And no.
:)
Frank Drackman| 12.13.12 @ 1:20PM
Hey Ronda, in another place, another time, we could have made beautiful music...
Or how bout tomorrow?, I know this great little place in downtown A-T-L where we can have a drink.
Its called "My Car".
Just Kidding, but don't tell Mrs. Drackman, she makes Lorena Bobit look like friggin Mrs. Manners...
and in the South we call guys like me, "Scamps", "Rogues", "Divorced"
See,, Ronda gave me the "Smiley" which is only a few steps in the shop manual from puttin the male part into the female...
And its tough bein me, only reason I get any women at all is because of who I am,
A Rapist.
WHOA!!!!!!!!!
and don't call the FBI, its an old Rodney Dangerfield joke.
Frank
Albert Constantine Jr.| 12.13.12 @ 1:48PM
I believe the Treasury Department (rather than the FBI) is responsible for monitoring Rodney Dangerfield's jokes (it stems from a Clinton era decision; Janet Reno didn't get them, Lloyd Bentsen thought they were hilarious).
Kelly frm Pacific Heights| 12.13.12 @ 2:27PM
Is American Spectator designed with a white trailer-trash readership in mind.
What fools you all are for responding to the polluted drivel from this comment thread.
I came on here to see what AmSpec was about, and, man, has it opened my eyes.
You readers are a sorry bunch of filthy haters; that's about all I can say about you.
Why does AmSpec not monitor and censor characters like Drackman and TLP and other dumber-than-dirt vulgarians?
Or do they give readers the low-down, dirty, and dumb impression you want to convey to the liberal world?
Frank Drackman| 12.13.12 @ 2:47PM
Kelly babe, You're distraught,
You ended a question without a question mark, even Honey Boo Boo knows thats a Boo Boo.
"Responding to the polluted drivel"?
Oh you mean like you're doing.
"Monitor and Sensor"??
Maybe its because I'm old R Emmit Terrel himself, letting his hair down, jamming with the Stones like Spick-coli..
Maybe its because we believe in the Constitution, ALL of it, including the parts where Slaves counted 3/5(a Yankee idea BTW)
and I WISH I owned a Trailor instead of the $500,000 McMansion I foolishly paid cash for 8 years ago, it'd be worth more...
Frank
R Martin| 12.13.12 @ 2:48PM
Return tomorrow, and have some fun...but you'll have to endure TLP. And you might find out that, in reality, he has a heart of gold.
Occam's Tool| 12.13.12 @ 6:11PM
TLP is actually a moralist and a very nice man. Vulgarity is sometimes the only response to vulgar times.
TLP| 12.13.12 @ 3:45PM
The only thing we wanna "convey" to the Sh*t Bags you call - The Liberal World - is to Drop Fckng Dead.
So, Drop Fckng Dead, already.
Nobody gives a Fck what your kind thinks.
Why do you even wanna subject yourself to all of this?
Go out and have a good time.
Go get an Abortion, or something.
Kelly frm Pacific Heights| 12.13.12 @ 4:04PM
Stomach cancer is too good for you and your kind--the kind of commenters on this trashy thread.
You're welcome to your perverted hatred, but just remember this: feelings of hatred can start those cells to mutating, and then the BIG C appears on the scene and announces itself--"Heeeeeere's Johnny!
Occam's Tool| 12.13.12 @ 5:48PM
Actually, bastards like us tend to go from heart disease. It's the nice folks who get the big "C."
How is my disgust of an antisemitic copkiller friend babykiller supporter like Obama "perverted?"
Frank Drackman| 12.13.12 @ 9:41PM
"Here's Johnny"?? Way to date yourself, but I guess nobody else will. And Stomach Cancer is quite treatable nows-a-days, unlike your Panniculus Horribilus(thats for the Docs/Scrub Techs/Cirulators in the Crowd) And even if I accepted that Cancer was anything more than just bad luck, I think you just saved his Nappiness himself(15 trillion deficit and he can't spring for some Afro-sheen?)some major coinage. Just get all those 2 year olds with Cancer to stop Hatin'.
Now get back to your Cat, your Cock Blockin me and Ronda...
Frank "Hatin like a Mo-Fo"Drackman
Albert Constantine Jr.| 12.13.12 @ 4:51PM
I see Anna K. and the students are at Final Exam time.
Butch| 12.13.12 @ 5:12PM
Never had someone call me a "filthy hater" AND wish stomach cancer on me at the same time. That's why I prefer it here to the "liberal world."
Aristocat| 12.14.12 @ 2:21AM
Kelly; You are right...These goons can't stand the fact of people wanting to exchange ideas...They are like little kids telling the grown=ups..."LOOK AT ME..STOP TALKING TO EACH OTHER....ME ME ME ...CONTESTS...SWEAR WORDS...ME ME ME
Slacker| 12.13.12 @ 12:25PM
Bill,
You need to find a younger bachelor to be your mentor. Your generation never learned how to deal with feminism.
At least you have figured out women don’t want romance. That’s a start. Where did you get the impression that women are romantic?
Do not listen to anything your mother or sisters have to say about women. They will never confess what makes them cream their panties (they don't understand it themselves). Do the exact opposite of whatever they say. And don’t listen to your married friends either...you’re not in similar circumstances.
Don’t listen to anything Hana Rosin, or Mona Charen have to say. Don’t listen to anything any woman says about women. How dense are you anyway?
And for god’s sake don’t apologize for sounding like a misogynist -the one thing that can help you.
Good luck. Those 50 something hags have a nasty strain of girl power (actually worse than their daughters). You are going to need all the misogyny you can muster.
Stan Redmond| 12.13.12 @ 3:00PM
Lesson one. Most college educated women are straight up nasty unhappy bitches.
TLP| 12.13.12 @ 3:49PM
Contest at Tuesday's Story: More Pants Than Fire.
Look for Pinnochio.
THKrupp| 12.13.12 @ 12:29PM
Mr. Croke,
No offense, but if I have learned one thing about life its that if there is something in your life you are unhappy about then there is only one person you can blame. Look in a mirror. Blaming society for your singleness is a waste of time. There is either something you are doing or arent doing that is at fault. I have no idea what that may be. I suspect that if you find that having a social life requires some super human effort is the basic problem. Your quote:
"I envy now married friends because they don't have to go through what I do to have the chimera of a social life."
You obviously view it as a chore and probably dont enjoy socializing . As I saw on an ecard recently:
Men of the world: "Put the video games down, Man up, suit up, and wine and dine the f*** out of a beautiful girl"
You are one of the lucky few that gets to spend his free time the way he wants. You can do damn near anything you want...enjoy it. Just enjoy life and quit whining about what you dont have. That in and of itself will make you more attractive to women.
Frank Drackman| 12.13.12 @ 1:21PM
Look in the mirror, did you see his photo?
frank
THKrupp| 12.13.12 @ 1:28PM
Frank,
As you said above...a shave and a hair cut might improve things.
steelingthemind| 12.13.12 @ 12:41PM
My dear Bill Croke, be of good cheer. I predict you will meet a good woman as a result of this sweet and poignant piece.
If I wasn’t married….
Frank Drackman| 12.13.12 @ 1:26PM
If you weren't married you'd what?,
be honest sugar-cheeks, you wouldn't give Mr. Croke the time of day, which is a horrible pick up line BTW.
Which I used to do back in the day when you'd send $5 and a SASE(kids today don't even know what that is)to some PO box for a "How to pick up hot chicks" book.
It'd say, "Ask a hot woman what time it is"
And I'd say "Excuse me, do you have the time, and would you like to fuck?"
cause I'm lazy and I'd skip the other 39 steps in between...
Have you seen his photo? where he lives? what he does for a living? Jeezus, Ted Bundy had a better rap with the chicks...
Frank "What time is it" Drackman
rdjhoya | 12.13.12 @ 1:32PM
Dude,
Man up. Women suck. They always have and always will. Get a cat and embrace the solitude.
Buck Ofama| 12.13.12 @ 1:52PM
Agree. And when I do bother to spend some time with a woman, I invariably become bored with her annoying and incessant need for entertainment, one-sided "conversation", and all that cuddling shit. So, I disappear for a few days.
When we finally talk again, she asks, "What happened to you?" I tell her I needed cat time: sometimes you don't see your cat for days. You don't know where it's been or what it's been doing. You just know that, when it's ready, it will come around again. Meow and stuff! Now stroke me, you whore!
Occam's Tool| 12.13.12 @ 5:51PM
Besides, a cat at home will make you more attractive to women. The first step is always ensuring them that you are not an axe murderer.
Stick| 12.13.12 @ 1:37PM
The odd thing about the "sexual revolution" is that women at a young age know they have to physically compete for the affections of men. I have an 11 year old who will be headed to junior high next year, and the dating/mating dynamics of the teen female is remarkable. Girls as young as 12 know they have to put out to have a boyfriend. The worst fights are between girls - always over a boy. Oral sex is seen as Halloween candy. There is evidently no value in being seen as chaste. The irony is most of the boys are not ready for this action (my son included).
Frank Drackman| 12.13.12 @ 3:08PM
Stick, if your son as a functional penis, he's been whacking it.
In fact I still remember the first time I had sex, boy was I scared...
I WAS ALL ALONE!!!!!!!!!!(HT Rodney Dangerfield)
it was the day George Wallace got shot, and I was born in 1962, do the math. And, no I didn't jerk off to images of George Wallace, it was Susan Dey, of "Partridge Family" fame.
Have you noticed he's gone through alot of T-shirts? do his socks make a crunching noise when he walks? Does he have callouses on his dominant hand?
Daughters are easier
1: All Girl Schools/Sports/Household
2: 80 mg Medroxyprogesterone q 2 months
Frank
Occam's Tool| 12.13.12 @ 5:52PM
Medroxy for you, Frank? You can go higher with each dose and do q 3 months for the chemical castration maneuver, you know.
Buck Ofama| 12.13.12 @ 1:53PM
For a good time, visit:
http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/
Frank Drackman| 12.13.12 @ 2:17PM
I'd rather visit your wife.
WHOA!!!!!!
"Men are better than women"????
at what??? Murder, Rape(whens the last time a chick raped a dude?)
I'd like to stop wearing out the H, O, M, and O on my keyboard, but you give me no choice...
Frank
Who Knows?| 12.13.12 @ 2:31PM
Count your blessings, my SINGLE man!
What’s that saying about making a purse out of a sow’s ear? Well, most men are led by their penis, when young, because they know they’re going to wither and die, so why not get a hole to squeeze that rod, as often as possible?
Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without.
It all comes down to figuring out why you were born, and a long life as a single man---I am one---invariably provides cascading lessons that offer answers, if only one will accept them.
Besides, as my biology teacher from Maine, whose fiancée was shot down in the Korean War, told us in 1957, “I could marry anyone I pleased. So far, I haven’t pleased anyone.”
Also, too many of us are incompatible. Used to be the man didn’t have enough income, and the woman wasn’t pat-able.
Me, I welcome the dwindling days of “my” life, because it gets easier and easier to drop previous “concerns”, such as getting married, and, indeed, to laugh about what a concerned egoic mess it all was.
Get married to the Divine!
In Truth, even bodily each apparent one of us is Already not separate as a self verses the not-self, or as a me verses all that is other to me. You know, an inside against an outside.
Absolutely, boundaries are just useful fictions.
Marry THAT.
Stan Redmond| 12.13.12 @ 3:34PM
To the women who ignored me as I struggled to start a business and worked 70 to 80 hours a week (thank God those days are over) good riddance. I am so thankful you broke up with me because I didn't have time or finances to be your pet. I'm not sorry I didn't give up my business goals and get a crummy job so I could spend all my time with you and provide a mediocre lifestyle. Now. I have a little bit of success with a decent income and lots of travel.
"Yes, dear it has been a long time and it was crazy you broke up with me..... Yeah, the business is doing great.... Oh, you have a baby now from the guy you left me for (true story), well good for you.... Nice seeing you."
American women in general have priced themselves out of the market. I don't feel the least bit sad for the part her prime single woman.
I definately don't feel sad for the single men out there because they are spared from these women who have chosen a feminist lifestyle filled with fish without bicycles.
There are so many articles and books on this subject written by, of course, college educated women. They all leave out one thing.
"The End Of Men....[Willing to put up with you]" -Hollary Rosen
"Child-Man in the Promised Land [living free and happy without a nagging woman]" -Kay Hymowitz
"Marry Him: The Case for Settling for Mr. Good Enough [because you want someone to do half your chores, babysit your illegitimate child, and pay the bills]" -Lori Gotlieb
Frank Drackman| 12.13.12 @ 3:39PM
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Frank "Hate the Game, not the Player"Drackman
Occam's Tool| 12.13.12 @ 5:59PM
Stan: I had an old girlfriend, who was having problems with incipient alcoholism at the time, treat me badly in college, and I broke up with her because she preferred bottle to studmuffin.
SEVENTEEN years later she tracks me down and calls me up to apologize as part of her 12 steps. I had forgotten her by then. I have also had dates that met me in LAX as I was leaving LA forever and tell me they wished they had not screwed up our time together (again, alcohol involved).
Women are just as screwed up in their picks as men. The KEY question to ask in any relationship with a woman, after you answer the 5 second physical attraction component, is "would I trust this woman with my ventilator." If the answer is "yes" or "maybe" continue with relationship. If ever becomes "no" (unless she is sick and dying, obviously) head for the hills.
These questions are actually quite simple, you know.
Stan Redmond| 12.13.12 @ 8:28PM
Is "ventilator" anything like an inhalator?
I imagine you had achieved a great amount of success in that 17 years. My most notorious ex only took 3 years after it was known around town that I had gotten some great contracts with some aircraft manufacturers at my machine shop (Thanks Obama for declaring the "corporate jet owner" evil and shutting a bunch of us down when orders were cancelled but that's beside the point).
Somehow that contract made me look pretty darned. I was a business owner with cash to spend and no longer the loser that spent 80 hours a week cranking handwheels and grinding metal.
PCPSmokerII| 12.13.12 @ 9:11PM
This explains all the dysfunctional comments you have posted. Pathetic piece of shit.
PolishKnight| 12.14.12 @ 11:10AM
OT, most of my exes were also nuts as well and I think that was a good thing because it helped me identify early they weren't worth starting a family with and moving on.
The worst are the "normal" seeming women with the values system of a wolf who are pleasant and nice during courtship when you're on your best behavior (I deliberately mixed things up at this time to throw the wolves off.) They don't bare their fangs until they have a joint checking account and a lawyer on speed dial (or mobile address book for young people.)
I went on a date with a $20 watch and shoes. That made most of the wolves leave me in disgust.
Seek| 12.13.12 @ 4:14PM
Twenty years ago I attended a Heritage Foundation panel titled, "What Do Women Want?" Linda Chavez, Kate O'Beirne, Karlyn Bowman and Midge Decter regaled us as to what women really wanted. Even with all that help, I still couldn't answer that question -- and still can't today.
Maybe it's time for a new Heritage panel.
Stan Redmond| 12.14.12 @ 2:03AM
I suppose if women knew what they wanted they'd tell us. But because what the want is a nebulous blob of irrational nonsense we shall never know.
Jasperfenton| 12.13.12 @ 4:17PM
Bill, You might consider getting rid of the yellow glasses and the beard... just sayin'
Jane Chingo| 12.13.12 @ 4:55PM
>women don't particularly need men
Where have you been? I figured this out a long time ago. And it's not age related; those grandmothers just don't bother to conceal it like the younger women still scamming on a meal ticket.
Occam's Tool| 12.13.12 @ 6:00PM
Some women don't. And some people just like dying alone and uncared for in a nursing home rotting away in their own urine.
Stan Redmond| 12.13.12 @ 11:25PM
I know what you're trying to say here but sadly one or both of you will die alone both my great grandparents and grandparents, married for 50 years + died alone. Sadly we can not chose the exact moment we die. It is warm and fuzzy to think of having the whole family gathered around holding our hands saying our good-byes but how often does that really happen? Even if that happens one of you will die alone. If you are rotting away in your own urine does it really matter if you had been married all that time? Reall, your mind is so gone you don't even know anymore and you torture your lover with a long drawn out ordeal. Keep your soul right with God and live life the way you want is the best we can do.
I love Walter Williams and his outlook on his own death which I plan to follow.
On that cheery topic my friend. MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! Pass the bottle
Occam's Tool| 12.13.12 @ 6:19PM
The other trick, Bill, is to give them YOUR NUMBER. Explain to them that you realize that in this day and age, women may not want to give out their numbers and that in this way, they don't need to worry if they never wish to contact you. All part of the neutered cat approach. Demonstrates consideration. Worked like hell for me.
Bloopville| 12.13.12 @ 7:49PM
I would have to say it isn't women, it is you. An interesting, articulate, intelligent man with the self confidence that being an adult brings has no difficulty finding age appropriate (or younger, if desired) opportunities.
I relish the challenging and choosy women that have replaced the apron wearing homemakers of the past. Why would a real man want to spend his life with anything less than an equal?
PCPSmokerII| 12.13.12 @ 9:10PM
How depressing. And I see that you are coloring your hair and beard. Dude, go on line, find someone in Latin America, Eastern Europe, or SouthEast Asia, get married, move to another town, and start living a life. A mere five years into the marriage, you will not even remember your former (pathetic) life.
Stan Redmond| 12.13.12 @ 11:03PM
I don't want to put words in to Mr. Crokes' writing here but I'm going to anyway. I think he tip toes about the fact he is talking about western women. Maybe he hasn't travelled to meet non western women. I don't think he has a pathetic life and didn't get the impression he's feeling sorry for himself. He just is trying to find a way to say American women are not worth dating or marrying in a politically correct way. I have mentioned on other threads I am fortunate to travel for business. I'm with you. Former soviet bloc women are fantastic. Latin Women wonderful. Ever dated a Honduran woman that hand made her own tamales? I could have easily fallen in love and married a woman in every country I've been to in South America. Ever been to Poland or Belarus? My goodness.
As for his hair and beard. Maybe some some chicks dig the Billy Mays[pbuh] look.
WaffenSS| 12.14.12 @ 8:43AM
The hand writing is on the wall, the dominate hand is on the throtle, so to speak. Well, well, well. Since we live in a global market place, shop for someone "over there". I could go on and on to answer the grist of the comments. I myself observed the trends years ago. Split to asia and got me a real live "gook" and she got a "round eye"
Jane| 12.14.12 @ 9:35AM
I'm not a radical feminist at all, and I'm a devout Christian. Sad to say, but this article rings true on so many levels.
I was married for 23 years to man who ran me ragged trying to please him and make him happy. Because he could never be happy, he ended up leaving me for another woman. I helped him raise his three children, and we had two of our own. I was sad for about a year after our divorce, but ended up finding myself happier alone than I ever was in my chaotic marriage. In a perfect world, I would be with my proverbial 'soul mate', but a good, decent, content, hard-working, intelligent, responsible, family oriented man is hard to come by.
I'm still single after 8 years since my divorce, and I love my life. I always have the door ajar in case a man who meets my criteria walks through, but I can't base my personal happiness on it.
PolishKnight| 12.14.12 @ 4:07PM
One of the problems with "devout Christian" women in the states, Jane, is that they're waiting for the man "who meets their criteria" to walk through the door. American women seem to have this Disney sleeping beauty complex where they are waiting for their white knight to storm the castle, kill the dragon, and rescue them. It's their least attractive quality. Imagine if you carried that attitude over to other areas of your life such as waiting for someone else to pick up your home or pay the bills. Oh, wait, a lot of women still think that way.
For more than 50 years, women in the states have engaged in a long B fest of what they want and how unhappy they are while simultaneously offering men less and less. It's going to get worse before it gets better.