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Romney Beats McCain!
So has Obama beat Bush?
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For Obama and liberals, this isn’t much to brag about, and hardly a sweeping mandate. Overall, it is difficult to claim that Barack Obama’s re-election is much more decisive than George W. Bush’s. If liberals didn’t see a mandate for Bush in 2004, they certainly shouldn’t be heralding one for Obama in 2012.
In terms of raw numbers, this was not a huge victory for Barack Obama — a fact that ought to give Republicans some hope for 2016, assuming they can turn out notably more people in 2016 than they did in 2012 and 2008.
Unfortunately for Republicans, it was just enough of a victory for Barack Obama to continue his “fundamental transformation” of this country.
About the Author
Paul Kengor is professor of political science and executive director of The Center for Vision & Values at Grove City College. He is author of the new book The Communist: Frank Marshall Davis, The Untold Story of Barack Obama’s Mentor. His other books include The Crusader: Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism and Dupes: How America’s Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century.
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CJW| 12.3.12 @ 7:20AM
Bush got 62 million, Romney got 60.6 plus 1.5 million voted third party for Johnson and Goode. We lost about 3 million votes that should have gone for Romney.
Alan Brooks | 12.3.12 @ 8:18AM
The South and Midwest are so old fashioned, you would have won all the elections if you'd run a first-class candidate.
There are people here in the Midwest living in the '60s-- not 1960s, but the 1860s.
GobBluthe| 12.3.12 @ 8:44AM
You're quite the condescending liberal
Alan Brooks | 12.3.12 @ 9:09AM
But you don't deny you would have won all the elections if you'd run better candidates?
GobBluthe| 12.3.12 @ 10:29AM
Which candidate was that?
Alan Brooks | 12.3.12 @ 3:11PM
... "Which candidate was that?"
all six of 'em, GoBluthe:
Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain, Romney-- if you had run better candidates, you'd have wom all six (''92, '96, 2000, '04, '08, '12) elections-- because the interior of America is v. old fashioned.
Alan Brooks | 12.3.12 @ 3:12PM
...counting Dubya twice, of course...
Von Mises Jr| 12.3.12 @ 9:11AM
Little Alan wants to live in the 1760's while people were still Subjects and Serfs. With his love of socialism, he would have opted for remaining a Subject or a Serf rather than join the "Industrial Revolution."
You see, you need mad skills to compete in free markets. When you are a Perp or Alan Brooks, it is simply envy that drives you to covet other people with mad skills that make you look incompetent.
Alan Brooks | 12.3.12 @ 9:15AM
But you don't deny you would have won all the elections if you'd run better candidates?
Von Mises Jr| 12.3.12 @ 9:30AM
As opposed to a Marxist, Muslim loving communist organizer?
Did you see the news today little alan that Morsi just struck a deal with the Egyptian Army to set up a Dictatorship?
Perhaps you can explain to us all about the Arab Spring and democracy?
GobBluthe| 12.3.12 @ 10:31AM
All the elections????? When a party wins "all the elections" it has nothing to do with candidates but with the fact that society is a one party state and voters simply emotionally identify with the ruling party. ie the Democrats in American big cities
Alan Brooks | 12.3.12 @ 3:03PM
"Did you see the news today little alan that Morsi just struck a deal with the Egyptian Army to set up a Dictatorship?"
You refuse to stay on-topic, you refuse to admit if you would run better candidates you'd have won the elections-- and you wouldn't have had to deal with Clinton and Obama.
And the author writing Romney beat out McCain?-- that's not saying much, naturally.
Von Mises Jr| 12.3.12 @ 9:18AM
CJW, I don't believe that Romney did have fewer votes than Bush or McCain. It is much harder to steal an election if they had counted all of Romney's votes.
We know that the socialist manufactured votes with bus trips and absentee voting catered with vodka and Marlboro's. So is it unreasonable to think that when the NBP took over the polling sites in Philly and Houston that they did not deep-six all the Romney votes?
I think the problem is much deeper than four more years of Obama. The problem is that they stole an election and nobody even wants to admit it. Many people on American Thinker from the Red Southern States understand the problem and there is much talk of nullification and secession. I am sure Mr. Kengor realizes this since I read his posts there as well.
CJW| 12.3.12 @ 11:26AM
I do not doubt there was fraud in Philly, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, and other cities. Why else object to voter photo ID? That is a given we have in every election. The Dems still brag about how they stole the 1960 election in Chicago.
From anecdotal evidence, I know one who voted for Goode, and several who did not vote for either O or Romney because they did not like Romney because he is rich and "doesn't understand them" and because he is Mormon, and a combination of the two. These three regularly complain about Obama, taxes, and abortion.
We cannot underestimate the stupidity of voters.
Stick| 12.3.12 @ 1:16PM
Have been wondering how many bus trips from MD to Northern VA were sponsored this past election. It would make sense for VA to charter all MD coach firms for election day to prevent another electoral disaster. If we did that, I would imagine Jim Moran might be replaced.
Butch| 12.3.12 @ 5:07PM
ACORN may have formally "disbanded," but their money remained and so did their organizational and communications infrastructure. I am guessing we have had thousands of otherwise unemployed people working full time to ensure voter fraud in the swing states. I am also speculating that most of the fraud took place in the early voting, and that the outcome was a done deal by election day.
It took considerably fewer than a million votes in the swing states to carry the election. Stealing all Romney votes in the ghetto precincts of the major cities in the swing states was a doable task if you have enough people working on it. That's a good start, and the remaining needed was a considerably easier task, especially with Johnson siphoning off votes.
jcm5| 12.18.12 @ 9:23PM
Or some independents decided to vote for Obama...
Albert Constantine Jr.| 12.3.12 @ 7:28AM
I believe I said some of the same things in a comment last week (good for you, Mr. Kengor, getting paid for what I said for free; the capitalist and entrepeneurial spirit continues to thrive).
Unfortunately, while so much of what is written here is based on mathematical facts , too many people are willing to succumb to spin, without considering what the numbers actually reveal.
TLP| 12.3.12 @ 9:19AM
He's the Happy Jack Feder of Mondays, Albert.
If he had an Original Idea, he wouldn't STILL be Beating this Dead Horse. (And, if Rush is reading this? I give you my permission to use this on your Show, as I keep hearing what I've written, a day or two after I've written it, anyway. "We should have a Contest" comes to mind. With - "Let Obama have what he wants" being the latest.) I'm a big Fan. Been listening since Day 1, on WABC.
I'm Honoured that you copy me. Bob Grant does it all the time, so what the Hell?
Now, back to Mr. no new ideas.
The Election was a MONTH AGO, tomorrow. 3,000,000 Republicans STAYED HOME because their "Principles" were more important than Their Children's Future. Every Minority Precinct voted like it was an Iraqi Election, and Saddam Hussein was still in charge. The Black Panthers were back in front of the Voting Places. The NAACP was INSIDE the Polling Stations, as were Posters of their "Lord and Saviour - Barack Hussein Obama".
I get it.
Now what?
NOBODY cares how many Votes Romney Got. No-Bod-Y. It's water under the Bridge. Everything that CAN go wrong, IS going wrong, and I would've thought that a Smart Guy, like You, could come up with something a little bit more - oh I don't know - CURRENT?
If you need help? You can Copy one of my Comments.
Why Not?
Everyone else is doing it.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 12.3.12 @ 9:54AM
Said another way, perhaps originality is over-rated (or is that under-funded?).
Nah, I'll go with the latter. Everyone remembers the First man on the moon's quote. Does anyone remember Buzz Aldrin's "Watch your next step, there"?
TLP| 12.3.12 @ 10:59AM
I thought he said: "Your fly's open".
John786| 12.3.12 @ 8:16AM
The story me thinks is very simple: YOU LOST. This endless playing with the numbers is getting very tiresome. Need to try, not harder, but smarter next time: Hillary is a coming.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 12.3.12 @ 8:18AM
You certainly don't have the same attitude about the 1967 or 1973 wars with Israel, do you Johnny?
John786| 12.3.12 @ 8:35AM
I'm not sure how the aboriginal Palestinian struggle for their national rights fits into a story about how the election numbers stack up. I hope for a two state solution or a single state in which everybody's rights are protected.
GobBluthe| 12.3.12 @ 8:46AM
A single state where everyone's rights are protected?? Sounds like Israel become the next Lebanon.
GobBluthe| 12.3.12 @ 9:09AM
In the one state solution where everyone's rights will be protected, my question is everyone's rights protected by whom? And tell the society where Muslims respect even their own people's rights?
Alan Brooks | 12.3.12 @ 9:11AM
What has this to do with Romney supposedly beating McCain?
Albert Constantine Jr.| 12.3.12 @ 9:10AM
"I'm not sure how the aboriginal Palestinian struggle for their national rights fits into a story about how the election numbers stack up".
I was pretty sure that you wouldn't understand.
Occam's Tool| 12.3.12 @ 11:54AM
So, Israel, then. The Palestinians on the West Bank have more rights than in any Arab country. The Israeli Arabs prefer to live in Israel rather than, say, Jordan, by a 2:1 majority.
Islam is incompatible with human rights and freedom.
TLP| 12.3.12 @ 1:42PM
Islam is Incompatable with LIFE.
It's a Cancer, that can only be rectified with Radiation.
John786| 12.3.12 @ 6:42PM
Sometimes, even with the best effort, it is difficult to shake people from entrenched fairy tales aka Zionism. But reality has a way of creeping in. Those, who continue to encourage Israel on its colonial path, do it no favours. And by the way welcome to the centre of the Islamic world.
Alan Brooks | 12.3.12 @ 8:23AM
Hillary can only be better than the turkey the GOP will offer in '16. And of course Gingrich will be either in the run or jabbering on TV starting the end of 2015.
Alan Brooks | 12.3.12 @ 8:28AM
Gingrich:
"we'll see if I can win New Hampshire...
when I was Speaker...
I could work for NASA if I wanted to...
GobBluthe| 12.3.12 @ 8:49AM
70 year old menopausal Hillary Clinton with numerous "senior" moments against 45 year old Marco Rubio. Sounds good to me. The fact the left has to return to the Clinton's ( Bubba will likely pass on before 2020 given his heart) shows how poor shape your party is in when it co es to 2016.
Bob K| 12.3.12 @ 9:18AM
That would be post-menopausal Hilary with more "senior" moments by then.
And we can do better than Rubio who wouldn't even be considered if his name were Rubini, Reuben or anything without a Hispanic tinge to it. It's already getting tiresome to hear this "entitlement" talk for him. As if he has earned his turn to run for President, like some people want for Jeb Bush!
GobBluthe| 12.3.12 @ 10:33AM
Who do you support?
Bob K| 12.3.12 @ 1:03PM
Nobody right now. It is way too soon to support anyone.
In 2 and 1/2 years the ridiculous, outrageous spending and begging for donations to determine who will be the next nominee will all start again in 2 and 1/2 years, which is way too soon for me.
Meanwhile I am keeping my powder dry and waiting to see who will run.
Minuteman78| 12.4.12 @ 8:56AM
Great, I can see it now in 2016, we'll have another Bush vs Clinton race. Maybe I'll just go fire up the car in the closed garage so my family can collect the insurance money before the Kenyan Muslim Sociopath nationalizes THAT, too!
obadiah| 12.3.12 @ 8:35AM
Wait, there's more! B HUS obama is practically the same as BUSH obama. More proof that there's not a dime's worth of difference -- they both work for Goldman Sachs.
John786| 12.3.12 @ 8:42AM
The most successful groups in America:
Jews- overwhelming democrats
Asians- overwhelming democrats
College educated - overwhelming democrats
Doctorates - overwhelming democrats.
There is a pattern here. For the life of me Im stumped. That leaves just rednecks, religious fanatics. I wander who they supported in overwhelming numbers?
Bob K| 12.3.12 @ 8:52AM
Also add:
Blacks- overwhelming democrats
Hispanics- overwhelming democrats
And it still won't make a mandate! Obama still got only 51%.
Bob K| 12.3.12 @ 8:56AM
And throw in:
White women under 30 years of age- overwhelming democrats.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 12.3.12 @ 9:11AM
Convicted felons-overwhelming democrats.
Butch| 12.3.12 @ 5:34PM
homos - overwhelming democrats
never-married mothers - overwhelming democrats
unions - overwhelming democrats
mean IQ of 85 and below - overwhelming democrats
illegal aliens- overwhelming democrats
You might also want to check your facts on college graduates. Those under 30 who majored in math-dodging and are now living in Momma's basement, I agree. Those over 30 with useful degrees, I doubt it. And do your "doctorates" include MDs, Pharmacists, Veterinarians, and doctorates in engineering, math and science, and business? I doubt it.
Face it: Democratic party constituents are proles and non-Americans, including foreigners in fact or, like yourself, in thought.
Butch| 12.3.12 @ 7:09PM
Above in reply to "John 786".
Albert Constantine Jr.| 12.3.12 @ 8:05PM
I concur. Previously, studies I saw summarized indicated that those with the most education (academics) and those with the least (high school dropouts) were most likely to vote consistently Democrat. Those who were high school/ trade school/ college graduates with bachelors degrees trended Republican.
John786 is not just a foreigner in thought. He is neither a resident or citizen of the US.
Minuteman78| 12.4.12 @ 8:57AM
Oh, that's right, the slut vote.
PolishKnight| 12.3.12 @ 10:08AM
True. But that was still a strong 51% including the 35% or so of white people that voted Democrat due to ignorance, welfare state interests or marxist ideology.
Until the right addresses the elephant in the room, so to speak, and leftists getting 40%+ of the vote via race and gender entitlements, the Republicans will need to deal with a 60% or so swing vote. That's right: 60% swing vote. White males won't automatically show up to vote for McCain or Romney. Most are smart enough to have figured out that the Democrats have thrown them under the bus, but the right isn't doing anything to protect their interests.
It may require another lost election in 2016 to get the right to pay attention. Or better yet, raise taxes on the ultra rich. Maybe they'll care then.
Bob K| 12.3.12 @ 6:18PM
They won't care about that either. There are too many loopholes in the tax code.
But if you want to hear some real screaming from them raise the Federal Inheritance Tax! That will get their attention!
Bob K| 12.3.12 @ 6:47PM
And that is because it is a tax on wealth.
Occam's Tool| 12.3.12 @ 11:56AM
Well, this Jewish Doctorate (age 25) voted for Romney. And I make over 300K a year.
The Orthodox Jews voted for Romney, and they are increasing in percentage.
Bob K| 12.3.12 @ 6:43PM
Hasidic Jews in Kiryas Joel, Orange County, New York voted 42% for Obama.
http://rabbipruzansky.com/2012.....wish-vote/
See "Ron's" post on 11/15/2012 @ 4:59 PM.
"Kirays Yoel has over 20,000 Chasidim." ".....42% voted for Obama."
John786| 12.3.12 @ 6:46PM
By the way how are those rednecks treating you. Jews deserting the Democrats: more fairy tales.
SUBVET| 12.3.12 @ 12:22PM
John....you forgot Catholics.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 12.3.12 @ 5:42PM
Catholics went 50% to Romney, 48% to Obama in 2012.
Drunken Sailor| 12.3.12 @ 3:36PM
Don't forget the gay vote John!
Albert Constantine Jr.| 12.3.12 @ 4:10PM
I believe Mahmoud Ahmadinejad also get about 95% of the gay vote in Iran (right after he stones them to death and casts their ballots Chicago Style).
GobBluthe| 12.3.12 @ 8:51AM
At least the myth that Sarah Palin helped McCain can now be put to rest thank god.
Jim Adcox| 12.3.12 @ 8:53AM
After all these weeks, at last a silver lining for the silver medal awarded to Mitt at the 2012 Presidential Olympic games. Huzzah!
Anthony| 12.3.12 @ 8:58AM
So Romney beat McCain, now somebody contact that POS Steve Schmidt to tell him Sarah Palin did better than Paul Ryan.
Better yet, leave that fat toad under the rock he's under.
GobBluthe| 12.3.12 @ 9:06AM
????????? Net Ryan was more help than Palin was
Anthony| 12.3.12 @ 9:35AM
Sorry, my lame attempt at humor. So it was a wash, as opposed to a net 2M more votes for McCain. No matter how the numbers add up, my point was Sarah Palin was no disaster and didn't cause McLame to lose the election.
Sorry GobBluthe, it's no myth that Palin helped McLame, big time. But you and Steve Schmidt can continue your little fairy dance around the Palin bonfire.
GobBluthe| 12.3.12 @ 9:07AM
????????? Net Ryan was more help than Palin was
Louis Jenkins| 12.3.12 @ 9:10AM
Yeah, and if frogs had wings they could fly. Romney still lost. Cut it any way you want to, the man came in second. And some of the people here are looking to 2016, I'm looking to myself and preparing.
Alan Brooks | 12.3.12 @ 9:13AM
Preparing to lose again?
TLP| 12.3.12 @ 9:25AM
Shouldn't you be putting Vaseline on your Neighbor's Cat, so he can go in there and get that Hampster, for ya?
junkyard infidel| 12.3.12 @ 12:42PM
c'mon tlp, the liberal/progressive/democrat party of fisting sycophants like otis brooks, vtwink and the perp favor gerbils !
Louis Jenkins| 12.3.12 @ 2:55PM
Nope, am not. Taking care of my family and myself. While you may perceive Obama as a winner he is anything but that. One day in the distant future you may have wished you'd have done the same.
GobBluthe| 12.3.12 @ 10:32AM
Fact it has taken so long to count all the votes it a testimony to how pathetic the US electoral system is. One of the worst in the world.
vtwin| 12.3.12 @ 11:07AM
47% for Romney, now that is sweet.
George S| 12.3.12 @ 11:23AM
"... though Obama's Electoral College victory in his re-election was larger than Bush's, it still decreased."
That, my friend, says it all. A larger victory in the EC is a sign that purple states were once red, not blue. Not a good sign for future electoral prospects.
Think the Democrats are going to concede Texas to the Republicans the way we have with CA, NY and IL?
All it takes is what it took to get California -- more illegal immigration.
Big Bob| 12.3.12 @ 12:29PM
After all the counting and dissecting, here is the bottom line: THEY WON.
Who cares what the percentage is/was?? It might was well have been 80%, because they will/have claimed mandates not thought of heretofore. We have to play to win, not to show. Maybe all this statistical review will help, but in the end, they know how to get out the vote, how to play the media, and how to cheat where they need to. We have to engage in a way to beat the cheaters. In short, we have to find our General Sherman who will engage in a march to the sea. I can only hope.
Ronsch| 12.3.12 @ 12:52PM
Paul,
If you and others continue in this vein, it just propagates the "Blame Bush" myth...NerObama was supposed to be running against Romney, despite all of the chuckleheads believing that Bush was still to blame, even after 4 years of NerObama owning the economy.
RCV| 12.3.12 @ 1:43PM
Boy, talk about trying to look for a way to take some solace out of a loss - this really column really takes the cake. Pathetic.
Doctor Right| 12.3.12 @ 2:22PM
Who cares why Obama won?
Point of fact is, he won. And we're all worse off for it, even the stupid liberals who don't see the large, socialist 2x4 that's coming straight for their fat, meaty heads.
Hardcard| 12.3.12 @ 2:23PM
I'm through arguing with mr.& ms. libshitz, shut your pie holes MF's. Yes I'm against evil and for the Constitution of my country.
TLP| 12.3.12 @ 2:41PM
You Win, again!
Albert Constantine Jr.| 12.3.12 @ 4:11PM
Brevity truly is the soul of wit.
JP Jones| 12.3.12 @ 3:36PM
Well let's see here.
So what we are saying is that if you run a more social conservative like GWB only even more so
and appeal to working class folks in ohio and wisconson and Iowa and also appeal to Hispanics and other minorities in Florida Nevada and Colorado
and appeal to majority of Virginia pro American voters
that team can garnish 52-53 per cent of the vote
in the worse case and 350 plus Electoral vote land slide.
Sounds good to me.
Just keep the Romney red blooded pure capitalist types in the back ground and make them budget directors. Keep them away fro the voters.
They cant win elections but they can fix the money and Job problems.
Joe D.| 12.3.12 @ 3:59PM
And that does not include the Fraud in Penns, Florida, Ohio and Wisconsin. I am probably missing a few states as well. If we only give Romney 5% in the Phil Fraud he almost takes Penns with additional 70,000 votes. What if he got more than 5%? So obama has no mandate to speak of.
Proud Dem| 12.3.12 @ 7:23PM
There is no evidence of massive fraud by the Dems, but it is well documented that the Republicans tried to deny and suppress the vote to their advantage. THIS IS A FACT. The former chair of Florida Republicans even admitted it. So in fact, Obama should have won by an even larger total. You guys lost. GET OVER IT.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 12.3.12 @ 8:52PM
If you write it in capital letters, does that make it factual, or does it just emphasize something about who is doing the writing?
Proud Dem| 12.3.12 @ 9:29PM
Here are your facts Albert. The GOP tries to suppress the vote. They do not like democracy. I can't believe they even call themselves Americans:
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/n.....lay/nTFDy/
CJW| 12.3.12 @ 11:47PM
Charlie Crist is not exactly a reliable, disinterested source. He is a sore loser beaten by Rubio who switched parties and is out for revenge.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 12.4.12 @ 9:20AM
Not to mention the pending criminal charges on the other one who makes the claim.
Oddly enough, there is no mention of the suppression of the military vote by the Obama administration and several state parties.
JD| 12.3.12 @ 5:13PM
Elections do not decide what is right or wrong. Elections decide what we are going to do.
People who imply that election results validate or invalidate an ideology are stupid.
Nancy| 12.3.12 @ 6:36PM
Oh heavens. I hardly know where to begin. Barack Obama wins with a greater margin of victory than Bush (who called his victory a "mandate") in an economy that is still in the toilet, with record unemployment - but you still want to deny him that incredible victory. It also behooves you to recognize that, in fact, Democrats also won the popular vote for the House - the only reason the GOP retained its dominance there is that the congressional districts were blatantly gerrymandered . The GOP fantasy bubble is very, very powerful and resists all punctures.
Keith Douglas| 12.3.12 @ 6:41PM
Here's another factoid, for what it's worth. President Obama is one of four Presidents in the "modern"Presidential era of the 20th and 21st centuries to be elected twice with a majority of the vote--the others being FDR (4 times), Eisenhower, and Reagan. Of course, Obama also did this while black and while toting the moniker "Barack Hussein Obama." Who woulda thunk it?
Butch| 12.3.12 @ 7:14PM
Saul Alinsky.
Keith Douglas| 12.3.12 @ 8:10PM
Puzzling. But after a quick search, I found this:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ra.....alinsky/2/
So nice try, Butch, though I guess not.
Proud Dem| 12.3.12 @ 7:10PM
Dr. Kengor, you are really stretching here to make Obama's victory less impressive and Bush's weak win in 2004 better. Why would you use for an analysis of Bush versus Obama by comparing Obama '12 (strong win) versus Obama '08 (landslide) as a sign of weakness versus Bush '04 (weak win) versus Bush '00 (a popular vote loss "win", the weakest of all), as evidence that somehow Obama had a weak victory? That's a completely ridiculous method of analysis. Seriously, Obama got at least 3.2 million plus (and counting) votes than Bush in 2004. Obama's margin of victory in '12 is going to be about 3.65%. Bush's in 04 was only 2.37%. Bush only won the electoral college by the difference of one state in BOTH of his elections. Obama absolutely killed and could have given up 4 large states. But here are the facts, Obama's electoral average is 348.5, and a popular vote average of 51.94%. Bush had an average of 278.5 with 49.31%. Sorry, but Bush could have only dreamed of having numbers like Obama. They're not even in the same league. If Bush had a mandate in '04, then Obama really has had a huge mandate for the first term, and a bigger one than Bush in 04 for the second term. That's clear.
Proud Dem| 12.3.12 @ 7:18PM
And everyone knows the Republicans only won the house because of the most insane, Picasso like redistricting of house districts. Democrats got more popular votes for the House, Senate, and Presidency. Face it, you guys lost, lost hard, and don't have a mandate to demand anything. Quit thinking otherwise.
Proud Dem| 12.3.12 @ 7:46PM
And just to leave a sour taste in the mouths of all you Republicans. Your party has only won the popular vote once in the last six presidential elections. Let me repeat that, Republicans have only won the popular vote once in the last six presidential elections. So please tell me why you think the Democrats don't have a mandate but the Republicans do? LOLOLOLO
Albert Constantine Jr.| 12.3.12 @ 8:17PM
"LOLOLOLO"
Is this an attempt to channel Obama's late ex-stepfather?
Before you laugh too hard about your factoid that Republicans have only won the popular vote once in the last six presidential elections, it is just as accurate to say that the Democrats only won the majority of popular votes in two of the last six (2008, 2012), and equally accurate to state that the Republicans have won the majority of the popular vote in four of the last nine (1980, 1984, 1988, 2004) to the Democrats' two.
The reason anyone might not think the democrats don't have a mandate after the last election might stem from a bumper sticker popular on democrats' cars circa 2005: "51% is NOT a Mandate".
Proud Dem| 12.3.12 @ 8:26PM
Yes, but Obama's wins are undeniably stronger than Bush's. The truth hurts, doesn't it.
Proud Dem| 12.3.12 @ 8:32PM
Albert, take the average of the popular vote going back to 1980. The Democrats still come out ahead of the Republicans. It's just math, and you guys lose.
And wow, you Republicans are so racist. I'll enjoy watching you guys get your butts kicked for the next 40 years.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 12.3.12 @ 8:50PM
Once you are confronted with the math, suddenly you switch to 'And wow, you Republicans are so racist". If you really had confidence, you wouldn't need to play that card.
In your case, I don't think you should plan on doing anything for the next 40 years, particularly when other people's money runs out. I wouldn't bet my money on you making the next four, so enjoy what you think is your moment.
Proud Dem| 12.3.12 @ 9:02PM
Albert, I'm not playing a card. Many Republicans are overtly racist, if not inwardly racist. I know, many are in my family, and it's apparent from the comments here and all over the web. Plus, the strong white base in the deep south only gives more evidence. Why do you even try to deny this? You know it's true. Heck, I would guess you are from the South, probably Louisiana or Mississippi...perhaps.
And confronted with the math? What does that mean?
The math is on my side buddy.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 12.3.12 @ 9:28PM
You are the one who introduced race into the discussion, and completely as a non-sequitur. Based on you as the sample, therefore every Democrat is a racist.
Of course, to posit such a thing would be a ridiculous, what is a good description of much of what you have written.
You are way off in your guessing. Of course, if I was to guess about you, I'd guess you were studying political science at Emory University.
I don't believe that subject, or the math, science, logic, reading comprehension, philosophy or anything else (except maybe ignorance) is on your side.
Proud Dem| 12.3.12 @ 9:31PM
I'm an engineer. You're obviously a professional fuckin retard without a degree.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 12.3.12 @ 9:37PM
There are some who say the ignorant get frustrated when they are unable to express themselves intelligently, and resort to profanity and name calling.
The evidence suggests that you're lying when you claim to be an engineer, generally used to describe a degreed professional position (unless you are referring to "Choo-Choo Charlie's" occupation from the old Good &Plenty; ad campaign).
Is that the source of your pride?
Proud Dem| 12.3.12 @ 9:50PM
The source of my pride is that my argument stands, and you have yet to give any evidence against the fact the Dems have kicked the crap out of the Republicans once again, and more impressively than Bush ever "won", and the country has been trending that way. Write all you want. You guys lost, lost big time again, did not win any popular votes for the House, Senate, or Presidency. Most of the country does not agree with your crazy party or ridiculous policy positions. On top of that, the Dems won even when Republicans were trying to steal the election, which makes the victory even more impressive. You conservatives have been on the wrong side of history, and will continue to be. So write on all you want, and live in your little FOX encapsulated world. The rest of the country, and the world (which if they could vote, would go 90% for Dems) will move forward, leaving you Republicans in the dust. The Republicans may win again, but will only win because they move to the center. If that's the case, I'll take that.
And no I'm not lying. I really am an engineer, and a very high in demand one :-) My future is very bright.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 12.3.12 @ 10:06PM
Scratch a proud democrat, wound a bigot. In our brief interaction, you reveal yourself to be an educational snob (“You're obviously a professional fuckin retard without a degree”; as if somehow having a degree conferred makes someone better than someone without one); a regionalist (“Heck, I would guess you are from the South, probably Louisiana or Mississippi”; as if someone from either of these two states could never possibly succeed in debating you); as well as a race-baiter (the afore-noted:” And wow, you Republicans are so racist”).
You might be majoring in engineering at the moment, but if your participation here this evening is an example of the rigor you apply to your studies, I believe even “The History of Fast Food” might be too demanding for you.
I wish you the best of luck, and I hope that there are forty good years ahead of you and everyone else in America, but from what I observed from you here tonight, I have my doubts about both.
Proud Dem| 12.3.12 @ 10:20PM
I'm not majoring in engineering. I'm an experienced working professional with multiple degrees. Your conclusions are way off as they always are I'm sure. And of course you don't even come near my argument about the election.
Figures.....bye.
(But go ahead, tell me about fast food.....)
Albert Constantine Jr.| 12.3.12 @ 10:32PM
If you are an experienced working professional with multiple degrees, you have represented your education and profession poorly here tonight.
But of course, anyone can say anything on the internet, but I have to conclude you're lying about your qualifications; not that it matters.
I do note you haven't challenged my other conclusions about you, which of course would be difficult, since they are supported with your own words.
Lest we forget:
'T is quite important to recall
that pride goeth before the fall
Proud Dem| 12.3.12 @ 10:38PM
Well, you know what they say about Republicans these days....it's hard, if not impossible for them to accept reality. That is on full display here. Keep up the good work guys!!!!!
Albert Constantine Jr.| 12.3.12 @ 11:15PM
You're claiming to be an engineer with several professional degrees but say Republicans have difficulty accepting reality;. how Orwellian of you.
It is not difficult to see how you became a Democrat; merely say something, and it must be so (Barack, is that you calling yourself Proud Dem, or has Biden broken out of the attic again)?
CJW| 12.3.12 @ 11:35PM
Albert
It seems all these lefties have multiple degrees, make lots of money (top 1 or 2%), but use foul language when challenged. Remember purpie says he has his own business, degrees, works for Fortune 10 company, top 2%, blah, blah. They think saying they have money and degrees enhances their opinions, which means they wish they had money and degrees, and envy those that do.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 12.3.12 @ 11:43PM
The problem with posting from talking points is when you are challenged, it is difficult to come up with an original thought.
Of course, these day my own college degree can be the source of some shame, given the poor reputation my university has experienced since it was revealed that was where Biden got his undergraduate degree (before he was VPOTUS all of the alumni just agreed to keep quiet about him).
SoothsayerCA| 12.3.12 @ 9:07PM
And the election was closer than reported - http://clashingheads.wordpress.....-reported/
CJW| 12.3.12 @ 11:36PM
Interesting figures. I was playing around with the numbers like that last week and believe we should have won the election if our people would have turned out.
SteveD| 12.3.12 @ 9:22PM
Why can't you guys get your facts right? Wilson in 1916 and Rooseverlt in 1940 and 1944 got fewer electoral votes than they had the previous election.
Do your homework!
PerryM| 12.3.12 @ 11:52PM
Romney is a cut-throat business man that make $250 million by terminating employees and shipping the companies to China.
And he was the best candidate the RNC could find to run against Santa Claus Obama.
Who will the RNC pick in 2016 - a child molester????
Simon Templar| 12.4.12 @ 12:39PM
The election is over troll, you are not obligated to repeat the lies you were told to repeat by your masters. Did you not get the memo?
Let your comrade below know as well.
Is it not time to go to the BIG G temple and pray to your lord and savior?
Nightwinger| 12.4.12 @ 2:21AM
Kengor is the same whiz-genius who predicted a Romney win in Pennsylvania by counting yard signs and bumper stickers while Nate Silver was doing actual poll stats. Silver correctly predicted the outcome in all 50 states.
Yet Kengor is called a professor of political "science?" [Apparently counting yard signs is scientific analysis in his mind] He can slice and dice the numbers post-election all he wants but it doesn't change reality.
Simon Templar| 12.4.12 @ 12:35PM
The fact that you are writing about this while the Republic is burning down to the ground gives me no hope that we have the slightest chance of survival.
Stop fiddling with these trivial, ridiculous, 'looking back' exercises and distractions. Start focusing on how we can beat these bastards. Politics is much more than just winning an election or not winning an election.
Nightwinger| 12.4.12 @ 3:24PM
Chill out Simon. The Republic is not burning down. Um....which bastards are you hoping to beat?
Republicans need to decide whether they are running a political campaign or a religious crusade.....and recognize this is the 21st Century, not the sleepy agrarian society of Thomas Jefferson.
Contrary to your assertion, in a democracy politics is ALL about winning an election.
And you don't win by insulting half the country and yet expect their votes.
sashamanda| 12.7.12 @ 12:21PM
Nearly 10 million more Americans have become eligible to vote since 2008. So, on a per capita basis, McCain still beats Romney.
jcm5| 12.18.12 @ 9:21PM
This is a classic case of the math Republicans do to make themselves feel better.
Bush never won by as much as Obama's smaller win. Either electorally or in the popular vote.
Who cares what the county map looks like? As long as it's one person one vote, it doesn't matter.
The Democrats gained seats in the House and the Senate. Overall in the House, Republicans kept a majority, but Democrats received more votes. Gerrymandering will keep that in place until the next census, but what then?
The growing parts of the population are crystallizing into reliable Democrat voters. The Republican blocks are quite literally dying off.
Yes Obama got fewer votes this time (not the 4.2 million claimed in the article since votes were still being counted, but more like 3.8). But he still topped Bush's best total by 4.6 million. You might blame that on population growth, but Romney was 1.2 million below Bush's best. So either people who used to vote for Bush have died and been replaced by Obama voters, or people who used to vote for Bush have decided to support Obama now. Neither scenario is pleasant for the Republican party, especially given that the party is lurching farther from the center.
I hope the Republicans can do something to become relevant, but the direction I see it going is not going to get there.