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The Hell-Hole Spectator
State of Insanity
Why is the UN rewarding the Palestinian Authority this time?
A very bright fellow, a dear friend of mine, asked me in synagogue the other week: “Why do the Palestinians shoot rockets at Israel if they know they will get blasted in return by far greater firepower?”
“This is their fundraising season,” I replied. “The Salvation Army rings bells. They shoot rockets.”
Little did I know at the time they would actually cease fire in time for Thanksgiving. The Palestinian movement of liberation has progressed since 1970 from Black September to Black Friday.
My victim dictum is borne out by events. Sure enough the bucks are pouring in by the boatloads and Iran is thoughtfully replenishing the materiel in time for Christmas. What could be more fun under the tree than rocketry? Not to mention missiles under the mistletoe.
But this time around the Palestinians have gotten the Cracker Jack box with the special prize. The General Assembly of the United Nations has seen fit to confer a new status upon the Palestinian Authority, that of non-member observer state. The vote was 138-9 in favor, with the Marshall Islands, Nauru, and Palau leading the opposition. (Palau is probably annoyed because they’re stuck sitting next to the guy in alphabetical order. Still, it’s not as bad as Ireland sitting between Iran, Iraq, and Israel all these years.)
Let’s put aside the politics of all this, just for the nonce, and relish the absolute absurdity. We are bestowing legitimacy upon an entity that is already divided before it ever united. The West Bank of the Jordan is a piece of land Israel conquered from Jordan in the Six-Day War (although much of it had been granted to Israel in the 1947 U.N. partition agreement). The Gaza Strip is an area Israel took from Egypt in that same war. These parts of two separate countries were united only in conquest by a third and are now trying to merge into a fourth.
Well, perhaps merge is too strong a term. More like sub-merge. These two segments are under two different governments. One is controlled by Fatah and the other by Hamas, two organizations whose hatred for Israel is exceeded only by their disdain for each other.
What legitimacy does each one bring to the table? Certainly none of the democratic variety. Yes, Fatah was elected in the West Bank and Hamas was elected in Gaza. But that was years and years ago. Their terms have long since expired and no one is even thinking of having their dominance tested via plebiscite. So now the UN invites new conferees from entities led by dictators? Come to think of it, Hamas was not elected to total control but to a majority of seats; they then kicked out Fatah and grabbed the rest.
Try this one on for size. A mere two weeks ago the government in Gaza killed six people without a hearing on charges of collaborating with Israel. They then had the bodies dragged through the streets behind automobiles, presumably to discourage imitators. We all got to watch the action live on the Web. Think of it! Two weeks after primitive barbarian bloodthirsty atrocity performed on video by the regnant officialdom and the United Nations jumped in to reward this behavior.
Maybe the video of this ghoulish massacre got a lot of hits on YouTube. That can certainly qualify a regime for recognition. In the old days that kind of footage won you a trial in the Hague. Now you get a case of Heineken instead.
Rhetorically all these responsible leaders still preach destruction of Israel. They still target civilians for murder. They still propagandize children to hate. They still teach that Israel is responsible for September 11th. They continue to practice terrorism and aggression to gain advantage. In any other context, their behavior would provide an object lesson for how not to structure a society. Instead they are rewarded.
“Will this bring the Palestinians to the peace table?” wonder the pundits. Believe it or not, they are not kidding. The Western mind simply cannot accept that these are murderers who relish exsanguination over sanguinity. They have won everything by violence; they see accommodation as surrender and cooperation as betrayal. Now they have one foot in the United Nations. Perhaps soon they will attain the prestige enjoyed by Palau…
About the Author
Jay D. Homnick, commentator and humorist, is a frequent contributor to The American Spectator. He also writes for Human Events. Here he speaks at the Rally for Religious Freedom in Miami on June 8, 2012.
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Jack in Wi| 11.30.12 @ 6:23AM
Israel has had 45 years to make peace and get out of Palistine. Instead they continue to muder, rob, aand torture the people who they stole the place from. The whole world voted against Israel yesterday. Israel got about 3 votes yestrday and 5 Pacific islands.The world is disgusted with the way Israel acts. It is a regime of terror, blackmail, bribery, lies, and intimidation. What do you Zionsts propose to do with the non Jewish majority in Israel Palistine? Are you going to expell or exterminnate them? God tells Jews in the Book of Leviticus. " To love your neighbor as yourselves. "Get with God's program. Live in peace with your neighbors. You could have such a peace for decades, if you were not so greedy and racist.
C.B.| 11.30.12 @ 6:32AM
Good grief man, do you ever stop? I envision your house full of busts of Hitler and Nazi flags draping the walls. It is really sad that there are people like you in this world....
Maxwell| 11.30.12 @ 8:14AM
C.B., actually what happened, back when Jack was in high school a Jewish geek stole the high school cheer leader 's heart who Jack had a crush on. The Jewish guy was the pencil holder in the pocket type. Ever since then Jack has not forgotten that some pencil necked geek with thick glasses stole 'his girl'. Oh, by the way, the girl was probably a cute little blond with blue eyes.
Von Mises Jr| 11.30.12 @ 8:50AM
Correction Maxwell. I knew Jack when he was in High School and he hates the Jews because he had a crush on the Jewish boy with the pencil holder in his pocket and the young man would not let Jack put his pencil in it. He was smitten by the pencil necked geek who liked the little blonde hair and blue eyed girl instead of Jack and his pencil.
Maxwell| 11.30.12 @ 9:11AM
Von, you made my day. Needed a good laugh. Thank you!!
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 10:18AM
Not for nothin, but does ANYONE who writes for this mag go to a CHURCH?
Seriously.
Jack in Wi| 11.30.12 @ 8:19AM
All I have ever called for is peace and justice. That is somthing the racists in apartheid Israel refuse to come to grips with. The world is sick to death of you. That is why you only got so few votes uestrday. I am a Christian who believes inthe univeral brotherhood of all men. There are no more chosen people. We are all God's children.
Darin| 11.30.12 @ 8:36AM
You have an odd understanding of "peace and justice." You seem to think Israel is guilty of everything and the surrounding nations/people are guilty of nothing.
Regarding "universal brotherhood of all men," not sure where you're coming from here. It sounds like universalism, in which everyone is saved and no one faces eternal damnation. This is most certainly NOT taught in the Bible.
Frekki| 11.30.12 @ 9:01AM
Your lies are obvious, your hate childish. Palestinians dance in the street and throw candy when Israeli babies die. Israel morns and argues with itself when Palestinians die. What about his do you not see?
Jack in Wi| 11.30.12 @ 9:31AM
There are no more Jews or Gentiles. We are all one in Jesus Christ. The Jews were given an important job by God. To spread the message of the one true God to the world, to give the world his 10 Commandments, and to bring forth the Messiah of all mankind. Their mission was completed 2000 years ago. Their mission today is to love their neighbors as themselves, and to follow Jesus and his teachings. Get with God's program. You have defied Him long enough.
Alan| 11.30.12 @ 12:01PM
So speaks, jack the ass, prophet of and advisor to and enforcer of God himself on God's plan for mankind. Hear Ye, Hear Ye!!
Jack in Wi| 12.2.12 @ 7:34PM
St. Paul said. " There are no more Jews or gentiles, no more male or female, no more slave or free. We are all one in Jeus Christ. " He was a great Rabbi. Yes! The Jews have been obsolete for 2000 years, ever since they rejected the One True Messiah of the whole world. The world would be a far better place today if all Jews had converted peacefully a longtime ago. You have been a royal pain in the rear end for 2000 years. Everywhere you get power it ends up in disaster. If you wonder why you are the most hated people in the world, perhaps you should look in mirror and examine your own conciences.?
Alan| 11.30.12 @ 12:32PM
"There are no more Jews or Gentiles"
Hear that Jews? On this date of 11.30 in the year of our Lord 2012, you Jews are obsolete. Stop being Jews, knock it off with the Hanukkah, Yom Kippur and the Torah and that Kosher food stuff. God told jack to tell you people its over, kaput, finished. Oh, and you islamic jihadists? Your cool, carry on with the good work.
canuckistani| 11.30.12 @ 2:05PM
If you are to believe his imaginary friend over theirs, then yes, the remnant Jews, about .22% of world population, have not gotten the message of Christ.
The Vatican knows it, as does every other mainline Christian church. Third Templars simply are just pining for the return. It has zero to do with fidelity with Jews or Israel - just a perverse alignment with Twelvers like the Persians and Alawites.
We believe in freedom of religion and our warped involvement in buttressing one theocracy against others is pure folly that the west has finally decided is a waste of time. The US will come around when the neocon hegemony on our key institutions wanes.
sotto voce| 11.30.12 @ 8:32PM
Jack in WI, your spurious misuse of the words "apartheid" and "racist" cheapens their serious meanings.
Arabs sit in the Knesset (and have since 1949), serve as justices in the Israeli Supreme Court, and enjoy Israeli citizenship rights, including the right to vote (Israel is one of the few places in the Middle East where Arab woman may vote). Israel is an island of democracy in a Middle East mostly ruled by tyrannical thugs.
If you were dropped into the middle of Gaza, what do you think Hamas would make of your touching belief in the "universal brotherhood of man"? They'd probably shoot you rather than give you a chance to explain your pathetic call to "peace and justice".
gene| 12.1.12 @ 10:36AM
Amen and double amen. Arabs in Israel enjoy more freedom as citizens than any of the Arab countries in the Middle East. If Israel is ever completely over run, all of them will be murdered as traitors. This Jack fellow is just an Anti-Semite, plain and simple and has been brainwashed into believing "Replacement Theology". If he would stop taking Scripture out of context, he would know that Christians are NOT G*'s Chosen people. The Jews are. We Christians were grafted onto the tree. God is not finished with the Jews or with Israel. Why? Because He said so. I'll take HIS Word over some hater in Wisconsin any day.
gene| 12.1.12 @ 10:41AM
BTW IF he really believed any of the nonsense he has been spouting, he would be RANTING that Jordan should return all of the Palestine territory that they "annexed (stole). THEY took the LION's share of all the land after the dust settled and everyone says nothing about it, INCLUDING Jack in Wi. This is about hating Jews pure and simple. Jordan's possession of all that Palestinian land and the silence of Jack and the rest? Yeah, it's Antisemitism.
Jack in Wi| 12.1.12 @ 11:49AM
The only land the Jews were ever entiltled to in Palistine was that which was bought and paid for about, about 6%. All the rest is stolen from it's rightful owners. The filthy greedy Israeli's are not satisfied with 78% of historic Palistine. They want it all. What is going to happen to the majority of people in Israel Palistine who aren't Jews? Are you going to expell or kill them all? The closest cousins of Jesus and the Apostles are the Palistinians, not some mongolian Jewish communists, and Atheists who founded Israel.
Jack in Wi| 12.1.12 @ 12:07PM
Jordan was always a bedouin country of shepards, going back 5000 years. It was never part of historic Palistine. The Palistinians were mostly farmers and small traders who's ancestors go back in the area 5000 years. It has been called Palistine fro alomst 2000 years. The Israeli's are an invented people. The first Israel was the Northern Kingdom which split from the South. It contained what was to become the 10 lost tribes. These tibes were conquored and they mixed in with the other semites in the region. They returned as Samaritans, and other mixed peoples. Therefore the Palistinans are the rightful decendents of the real Israelis. Who in their right mind considers this religious and racist theocracy any business of the USA? We are supposed to a secular state with religious tolerance for all. We have no business supporting these religious crackpot Zionists with our hard earned tax money.
Jack in Wi| 12.1.12 @ 11:41AM
We are all God's chosen. The Jews mission was completed 2000 years ago. The bought and paid for pretend Christians like John Hagee are heritics. They refuse to see the the Book of Acts and Paul's Epistles for what they are, God reaching out to all his people from one end of the earth to the other. The vast majority of Jews have left and become Christians or Muslims in the last 2000 years. Most Middle East people and even European Christians have some Jewish ancestors. We are all children of God, Christian, Jew, Muslim, Atheist, Hindu etc. The Messiah of the whole world told the Jews the truth 2000 years ago. " My kingdom is not of this world." God is not a real estate agent. He loves all his people even his benighted fools who defy him in Israel.
Jack in Wi| 12.1.12 @ 5:54PM
There are plenty of Israeli's and Jews who use the word apartheid to describe Israel. Desmond Tutu and Mandela himself have called Israeli apartheid worse then the South African kind. They ought to know. The Arab citizens of Israel are treated worse the we used to treat our blacks during segregation. That is segregated and very second class. They treat the Palistinians under their thumb in the West Bank and Gaza like vermin to expelled or in the worst case exterminated. The whole world knows it and is sick of it. That is why you got so few votes in the General Assembly. Most of the world is also sick to death of the American goverment for supporting such a monstrosity. Obama is and always has been a total lackey of the Israaeli Lobby.To say that he was ever an enemy of the Israeli's is laughable.
jothepro| 11.30.12 @ 6:54AM
I'm sorry Jack-off, but you are the worst Jew hater I have ever had the pleasure to share a web experience with....
Jack in Wi| 11.30.12 @ 9:42AM
I love the Jews. I want them to follow God's Laws and His Commandments. What Israel is doing to the Palistinians is against both Internationaal Law and God's law. If they continue with their actions they will have the world in WW3.
Alan| 11.30.12 @ 10:31AM
Jack in Wi| 11.30.12 @ 9:42AM
I love the Jews
Jack in Wi.| 9.10.11 @ 10:04AM
"Whatever good individual Jews have done in the world pails in comparission to the bad of the last 200 years. Atheism, communism, Socialism, Nuclear Weapons, expansionist Zionism, and nuclear blackmail"
LOL!
Jack in Wi| 11.30.12 @ 11:38AM
Alan: I want the Jews to follow the laws of God. All those Jewish groups I mentioned were secular Jews who don't follow God's law. Love your neighbors like yourselves. That is the Law of God in both the Old Testament and the New. God loves all his people. We are all decended from Adam and Eve. We are all His chosen. Return to God and His Commandents.
Alan| 11.30.12 @ 12:03PM
Jack in Wi| 11.30.12 @ 9:42AM
I love the Jews
Jack in Wi.| 9.10.11 @ 10:04AM
"Whatever good individual Jews have done in the world pails in comparission to the bad of the last 200 years. Atheism, communism, Socialism, Nuclear Weapons, expansionist Zionism, and nuclear blackmail"
I'll rest my case.
canuckistani| 11.30.12 @ 2:12PM
Yes, they are useful idiots, but reason has always been the central defining feature of the thoughtful Jew.
They misinterpreted antisemitism after WW1 as just a byproduct of the depression. That one error has driven the zionist cause to irreparable harm.
The world has not "turned" on Israel, just the opposite. It has inserted reason back into the equation. Neocon overreach and financial incompetence has reawoken the majorities in many OECD countries. The zionist faction would be wise not to extend this overreach into a war between the righteous and the savage. They will be disappointed when reason demands indifference.
Darin| 11.30.12 @ 6:54AM
OK Jack, let's hear it. What, precisely, has Israel done to deserve this? Be specific. Before you do, look up some history. Like the fact that both Israel and Palestine were offered states in 1948 but Palestine refused.
Since you're quoting Scripture, I point you to Genesis 35:12. God told Jacob (later renamed Israel) that the land promised to Abraham and Isaac was given to Jacob (Israel). It points back to Genesis 12:7. So, if you hold to Scripture, Israel is not only entitled to the land they currently hold, but far more.
Jack in Wi| 11.30.12 @ 8:24AM
If God wanted you to have the land he would not have let you be kicked off in the first place. You stole the place and refuse to treat the people you stole the place from with any justice. You forgot a few of God's Commandments.
Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not bear false witness.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors property.
Darin| 11.30.12 @ 8:32AM
God's promise was unconditional. You're accusing Israel of "stealing" something that God gave to them. In short, you're calling God a liar. If you want to argue about God's law, I suggest you take it up with Him. Be careful what you ask for - you might get it.
Jack in Wi| 11.30.12 @ 9:12AM
Why is the United States supporting this religious state? Did you ever here of the 1st Amendment? The Papel states were around far longer then any united Israel. Lets send the Pope a pile of money every year so he can reconquer the old Papel states. Israel is disgace to any one who believes in equality before the law and tolerance. The people who yell the loudest if a Christian institution gets one penny of government money are the Jews and their anti Christian hate groups. Yet we have squandered trillions of public money on their religious pipe dream.
Occam's Tool| 11.30.12 @ 5:48PM
"Papal" States, soi-disant Catholic boy. "Let's," "Hear (not here)."
You were a CEO like I was a Pope.
Jack in Wi| 11.30.12 @ 8:40PM
The Zio-Nazi is now a spelling and typing Nazi. You Zionists are like vampires. You love to suck blood and hate the Crucifix.
gene| 12.1.12 @ 10:47AM
Many of us love the Cross.
As for the Crucifix? Some of us realize that JESUS rose from the dead and is not on any Cross, but is seated at the Right Hand of the Father.
To some the Crucifix does not exactly reflect Jesus' Present location. The "Empty" Cross however, is a more accurate representation. No more, No less. So as Dolly Parton once said in a movie, "Climb down off the cross, people need the wood".
Jack in Wi| 12.1.12 @ 6:01PM
Jesus redeemed us all by his sacrifice on the Cross. All Christians used the Crucifix as a reminder of that sacrifice and redemption until some crackpot Protestants decided to make an empty cross their symbol. I seem to remember a lot of Protestant pastors preaching, we preach Christ crucified. Well there is no better symbol of that sacrifice, then the Crucifix. It says it better then all the windbag preachers in some Baptist church.
JmsA| 11.30.12 @ 11:49AM
Thanks, Jack, I always thought the Jewish diaspora resulted from the capture of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Second Temple by the Romans under the command of Vespasian's son, Titus', in 70 A.D.
Jack in Wi| 12.1.12 @ 6:08PM
I seem to remember Jerusalem being leveled at least 3 times in the Bible. If God wanted them to be in Jerusalem he wouldn't have let that happen in the first place. Jerusalem is a holy city to 3 great religions. It should be an international city open to the whole world. The Jews have been trying to kick out the Christians and Muslims since they got back. Palistine under the rule of the Muslims was open to the whole world and Christians were one third of the population. There was a small native Jewish population as well. The Muslims proved themselves to be far more tolerant then the Israeli's have.
RCV| 12.1.12 @ 9:58PM
Jews were a majority in Jerusalem even in 1850, before the great modern migrations. We know this from British consular reports at the time.
canuckistani| 11.30.12 @ 2:21PM
God apparently amended that with the birth and death of his son, and then again with His revelation to Mohammed.
Get religion out of the equation and return it to ethnic protection - or the project is over.
The problem with the 1948 decision was not in that the Palestinians refused, but that their refusal was ignored by the world community.
Ben Gurion or Begin had no interest in waiting for a global consensus on the issue, either. They went ahead a did it anyway. The last 60 odd years has been a consequence of that ignoring of Palestinian grievances.
Until we appreciate that, you will be disappointed.
Israel has already shed it nativist vision, and now is decaying under the weight of its intransigence.
It is ironic the Russian Jew and the idle ortho will be the demise of an interesting project call Israel, not the energies of the founders.
RCV| 12.1.12 @ 4:36PM
Jack, Jack, Jack. Must we go over the facts once again? It is the Arabs who "could have had peace for decades, if (they) were not so greedy and racist." Jews and Arabs had lived in this area for millennia. Jews were a majority in Jerusalem by the mid 19th century and had substantial populations in Hebron, Jaffa and other cities by that time.
When the Ottomon Empire collapsed after World War I, and the Turks no longer ruled the various peoples who lived in the Middle East, the formerly colonized peoples -- Arabs, Jews, Armenians, Kurds, Maronites -- each yearned for statehood. The Arabs in the area successfully established national in Saudi Arabia, in Iraq, in the various Gulf States, in Syria, in Egypt. The Turks, with the connivance of the Arabs and eventual consent of the West, successfully thwarted the national aspirations of the Kurds and the Armenians. While the French managed to carve out a refuge for the Maronites in Lebanon, it only lasted a half-century before Muslim Arabs took over that nation as well. (cont in next post)
RCV| 12.1.12 @ 4:52PM
As for Palestine, the League of Nations awarded it to Britain under a specific Mandate -- that Britain establish there "a national home for the Jewish people". What did Britain do? First, it took 2/3 of Palestine and created yet another new Arab state, Jordan -- Arab Palestine -- so that the disappointed former ruler of Mecca could have something to rule over. As to the remaining one-third, Britain eventually betrayed its mandate when the Arabs insisted on ALL of that territory, too, and Britain washed its hands and turned the remaining remnant of Palestine back to the UN. The UN divided the remnant into 2 proposed states - a Jewish state and yet another Arab state. The Arabs refused (talk about greedy!) even though that proposed state was larger than the present West Bank and Gaza combined. The rest is history - the Jews successfully defended their new state. What became of Arab "Palestine" in 1948? Jordan incorporated it into Jordan, declaring correctly that Jordan had always been Arab Palestine. The Palestinian National Congress affirmed this declaration as well.
It is only Arab greed and anti-Judaic hatred that has prevented peace in the Middle East, Jack. That's an historical fact
Jack in Wi| 12.1.12 @ 6:17PM
Jordan ws taken from Arabia. It was always part of Arabia. Historic Palisitine has always been where it was since Roman and even Jewish times. Arabia was never under Jewish control. Jordan was set up to give the Hashimites a kingdom. They also got iraq. Of course Britain never had any intention of losing control of any of these areas. The so called Jewish entity was supposed to respect the rights of the original inhabitants of Palistine. Instead most were driven out by the zionists in the Israeli war of independence. The rabs were promised by lawerence and the British that they would be independent when they revolted against the Turks. Of course it was all a pack of lies.
Jack in Wi| 12.1.12 @ 6:33PM
In early 1945 FDR on his virtual deathbed went to meet with King Ibn Saud of Saudi Arabia. This was on his way back from Yalta He promised King Saud that the USA would not support an independent Israel. Because of this Saud gave the Americans huge oil concessions. The idea of Israel was resisted by most of the American diplomatic and defense establishment who realized what a burden it would be on the USA. Truman held out as well, for a whil,e until he was able to get 2 million dollars in suitcase, for him to change his mind.By the way the Jewish population was never very large in Palistine until the 1920's. It was the Transfer Agreement with Hitler that got a lot of Jewish immigration going from Europe. That and Hitler's perscutions got more Jews to go there. Although most wanted to go somewhere else. Of course Stalin was a firm Zionist as well. He supplied most of the weapons in the War of Independence. A veteran of that war Uri Averny has just written about how he saw many crimes commmitted against the Palistinians in that war. He became among the first Israeli's to call for a 2 state solution. The time is long past for any more dithering.
RCV| 12.2.12 @ 4:26PM
Jack, "Arabia" was never a nation or a political entity until the Saud family made it one by defeating the other Bedouin tribes and making deals with the Whahabbist clergy in exchange for their backing. "Arabia" was simply a term used for the genral lands where Arabs resided.
What we now call "Jordan" was of course a made up state created by Britain along with "Iraq" to give the defeated Hashemites some consolation prizes for their loss of Mecca and Medina to the Sauds. But it was taken from the Palestine Mandate awarded to Britain after World War II.
RCV| 12.2.12 @ 7:42PM
Furthermore, Jack, TE Lawrence recognized (as did the Sauds and the Hashemites, and indeed almost all Arabs until 1967) that there was one Arab nationality. The fact that Britain for its own interest chose to fragment the Arab nation and create little mini states did not change this fact. The Arabs living in Palestine were just that -Arabs. Palestinian nationhood is a recent invention, discovered only after Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan and Gaza from Egypt. Until that moment, there was acknowledgement that Arabs were one people and nation, and that the state of Jordan WAS Arab Palestine. The drive to create a new Arab Palestinian state isn't about restoring a nation - Palestine - it's about destroying a nation - Israel. Israel's biggest tactical error was in not returning the West Bank (minus Jerusalem and a few healthy buffer zones) back to Jordan after the 1967 war. We would never have heard about an independent Palestinian state from the Arab nations again.
Jack in Wi| 12.2.12 @ 7:52PM
There is one Arab nationality in theory, but many peoples in many countries. Just like there are many countries with English as their language and Christianity as their religion.You could say the same about Spanish. In the end what are you going to do with the non Jewish majority in Israel Palistine? They are not going anywhere and the world can't stand the sight of your criminal regime.
Jack in Wi| 12.2.12 @ 7:46PM
Arabia is mentiond in Bible and many other ancient documents. Herod was from an Arabian family. It is kind of funny all those Jews banging their heads against a wall built by an Arabian, with the help of Roman and Greek engineers. basically you are repeating what I said about the founding of Jordan. The Hasimmites were the Sheriffs of Mecca and guarders of the Muslim holy places. The Saud family took over and the British gave the Hashimittes Jordan and Iraq. It was all divide and conquor.
Cobalt| 11.30.12 @ 6:38AM
"There are no Palestinians. It is a made up word."
Palestinians are Arabs.
"The Truth About the Palestinian People"
http://www.targetofopportunity....._truth.htm
Jack in Wi| 11.30.12 @ 9:20AM
The Palistinians have roots in area going back 5000 years. They are a mixure of Jews, Arabs, Cannanites, Philistines, Assyrians, Kurds, Greeks, Persians, etc. They have far more right to this land then then invented Israelites who are mostly decended from converts to Judaism. I suggest you read the book by Israeli historian Schlomo Sand ' The Invention of the of Jewish People. ' In this book Sand states what every student of the subject already knew. That the people with the deepest roots in the area are the Palistinians.
Alan| 11.30.12 @ 10:45AM
Guess what @sshole, the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Macedonians, Philistines, Macedonian Successors, Romans, Crusaders, Egyptians, Saracens, Ottomans, Hittites, Mongols, Mamlukes, and anybody else who inhabited or invaded this area didn't inherit the claim, they took it BY FORCE. The history of this area is real simple, you want it you take it by force and hold it BY FORCE. There is NO RIGHT to anything and their never has been. I suggest you Put down your Schlomo book and read military history numbnuts. Guess who has it now and for the last time?
Jack in Wi| 11.30.12 @ 11:46AM
Israel as it is presently constituted is on the way out. It has always been an idiotic idea. This welfare queen could never exist without the support of the USA. Well the USA is broke. One of the main reasons we are broke is the trillions we have wasted in Israel and around the Middle East. It is time to end the Zionist entity peacefully like integrated South Africa, or the the American South. Otherwise it will end up like Nazi Germany in ashes.
Alan| 11.30.12 @ 11:55AM
Yes, the usual answer when you don't have one in the face of historical fact, another blathering rant. Ashes? Really? Sticky thing those Nukes huh? Lot of ashes to go around.
canuckistani| 11.30.12 @ 2:24PM
The monied interests around the world have concluded the Israel project is nolonger tenable.
I predict a full settlement within 10 years - 1948 borders.
RCV| 12.2.12 @ 7:46PM
Will NEVER happen. Israel will never give up an inch of Jerusalem, nor should it. The Arabs could have had the 1948 borders and then some -- in 1948. But they blew it. The facts on the ground 65 years later are very, very different.
Intelligent Design| 11.30.12 @ 7:19AM
The UN supports terrorism. Congress should completely defund it, and the PA as well.
Jack in Wi| 11.30.12 @ 9:23AM
The UN supported the terrorists who founded Israel in 1948. It is time for justice for Palistine and it's peoples. The world's worst terrorist regime sits in Tel Aviv with 400 atomic weapons and is led by lunatics and criminals.
JmsA| 11.30.12 @ 11:55AM
Are you referring to Ben Gurion? He was not a terrorist.
canuckistani| 11.30.12 @ 2:25PM
No he was a "freedom fighter". Check the Israeli record on it, it says it right there.
His buddy Begin, too.
gene| 12.1.12 @ 10:51AM
".... led by lunatics and criminal....."
And in other posts he lectures about Christian love for others. .................................... Yeah right.
Jack in Wi| 12.1.12 @ 3:05PM
Learn the truth Gene for the Truth will set you free. Israel is led by racists, lunatics, and criminals. That is the truth. It is not worth one drop of American blood or one American dollar and never has been.
Appleby| 11.30.12 @ 7:32AM
Why are the UN myrmidion rewarding "Palestine"? Because they hate the United States and every single person who lives in it. Because as long as the USA exists, they cannot truthfully assert that their way is the only way. Because hatred of success is the dirty little bedrock on which socialism is founded, and as long as anybody is successful, socialism cannot win. If you think there's some other subtle, magical explanation, you're wrong. It really is just as simple as that.
Joellen| 11.30.12 @ 9:07AM
Amen Appleby and Intelligent Design.
canuckistani| 11.30.12 @ 2:32PM
Israel is just like Nevada - asymmetrical returns for massive investments.
Turn off the flow of capital, the land dries up to it's natural state. Right the asymmetrical relationship with the US, and now you have reason injected into the equation.
Wake up, the camel jockies have done the exact same thing with their own massive capital infusions.
There is no Israeli "miracle", just investment choices.
The Vatican and non-third templar churches are absolutely correct in making Jerusalem a protectorate. We should heed that assertion.
Pecos Pete| 11.30.12 @ 7:33AM
Do the Palestinian leaders have any resemblance to the current administration in the USA? Inquiring minds want to know.
Von Mises Jr| 11.30.12 @ 9:02AM
Well let's see Pete. We recognize the Libyan Al Qaeda rebels as the legitimate leadership of the country and then they use our Ambassador as their blow-up doll, torture and kill him and we thank them for trying to save him?
We topple Mubarak turning Egypt over to the Muslim Brotherhood and when Morsi calls time out so that Hamas can reload, our Dear Leader thanks him for "peace in our time."
Why should we not think that the UN totalitarians and Palestinian terrorist are confused? Most of the country is confused with Dear Leader's "Leading like a Donkey's behind."
Louis Jenkins| 11.30.12 @ 10:13AM
Another case in point of the uselessness of the UN. How long must we be "blessed" with its presence on our shore?
nathan| 11.30.12 @ 11:42AM
I just listened to a number of sermons by a very good preacher on the Abrahamic covenant. I don't disagree with him. However, much of this will probably come to pass after the rapture most likely.
That said, we are constantly told that Israel is the "one true democracy" in the region. That means you have to act like it. That means that regardless of whatever provocations come your way, you cannot violate the principles of that form of government and abuse people, innocent people under your control. Israel today does not meet that standard in the occupied lands. The American Conservative recently did a story on Gaza including interviews with six IDF members. What we see is Israel failing in all areas. They refuse to properly provide for clean water which is going to be a health issue. Their soldiers all too often act like thugs, a total lack of discipline. They enter homes of innocent people and steal. In one case a man was having a seizure and that was ignored. In another they were told a man was mentally ill, they beat him up any way. The abuse is rampant. These are not the actions of a "democracy". Terrorists often seek to provoke responses just like this, to get the authorities to over react. They clearly are succeeding here. You cannot justify their behavior in the Gaza or anywhere else. They aren't the good guys here. Not when they show a blatant disregard for fundamental human rights like those IDF members talked about.
canuckistani| 11.30.12 @ 2:38PM
Nathan, good points, but the Third Templars on here are so misted by neocon BS that a forceful pronouncement by the Vatican has shaken them from their stupor.
The reasoned American will rally around this approach and slowly abandon the revelatorists infesting our policy corridors.
Levantine and Ottoman rulers never prevented Christians from accessing keys shrines, any day. The Israelis do it regularly and we simply accept this as a cost of supporting the project.
Enough.
gene| 12.1.12 @ 10:54AM
As for Jack in Wi, and may others? They are into "Replacement Theology". They think that Christians are God's Chosen People and now Rome is the "New Eternal City" (Built on "SEVEN Hills BTW). These people do not believe in any Raptures. Anything that even implies this is just cast aside as Symbolism, etc.
nathan| 11.30.12 @ 11:47AM
You also have to remember their actions regarding Sabra and Chatila. Allowing those militia members to go into those two camps and massacre hundreds of civilians, women and children was inexcusable. There were credible stories of women and children who tried to escape that night who were pushed back in. That sounded so much like Holocaust stories we read about. The general in charge was later elected prime minister. We can't defend or support this behavior. But Israel routinely elects people like this as prime ministers. Begin was a member of the Irgun responsible for the King David Hotel bombing which was according to Hanna Arendt (look her up) a terrorist incident. Again, they don't act like a "democracy" here, certainly not with regards to the people they occupy.
Marc Jeric| 12.1.12 @ 12:11AM
This crep Natan believes that the West Bank and Gaza are "occupied" terrotories. Not so, komrad! Gaza was liberated from the illegal occupation by Egypt, and the West Bank was liberated from the illegal occupation by Jordan.
RCV| 12.1.12 @ 10:08PM
Israel was more than willing to give Egypt back the hell-hole that is Gaza, but Egypt didn't want it. It had been a headache for Egypt since it captured Gaza in 1948, and it was relieved to make it Israel's headache.
TeaPartyNow| 11.30.12 @ 1:35PM
Why? Because the American People have zero sense of self worth right now. We will let anything happen in America, the U.N., we might as well melt down the Statue of Liberty & The Liberty Bell, because they only are a symbol of a time when the American People believed.
canuckistani| 11.30.12 @ 2:48PM
As compared to when?
The US was pretty decadent after WW1, went through a dust bowl and a depression that was ended by a desperate Hirohito. Fumbled the ball and ceded half of Europe to the reds and put all baby boomers through "duck and cover" drills. Entered a bullsh!t war in Vietnam and had a president resign in disgrace and a return to a "malaise" imbued society.
Consumerism was the religion of Saint Ron, and even that theology hit the wall 4 years ago.
People are people. They need leadership and markers to follow. Our consumerist markers were the likes of Trump and Buffet, but they have proven to be lacking. The existential threat of the red menace focused us like no other time in our history. Now we need an American renaissance without a conjured threat.
How or what that manifestation will be is yet to be determined.
John786| 11.30.12 @ 4:25PM
Vile Zionist propaganda. For sixty+ years they have stolen Palestinian lands, murdered Palestinians and ethnically cleansed them every day. And now they want the Palestinians to sing their praises: The chutzpah. The Palestinians will succeed because their cause is Just. The Zionist say that a Jew in New York has a right to settle in historic Palestine but a Palestinian who can see his village has no rights. This fantasy will not last.
Occam's Tool| 11.30.12 @ 5:51PM
Ok, nice to see the Loonies on the porch with their folded faces to the Floor again.
By the way, the militia members who murdered the "refugees?" Arabs.
nathan| 11.30.12 @ 7:25PM
Oh please OT, those Arabs were Phalangists, allied with the Israelis. And since when do we support, excuse, call it what you will the massacre of women and children. You sir constantly tell people on here not to come near YOUR kids. Well those kids deserved to be protected just as much as yours do. And once Sharon became aware of what was happening he had an absolute obligation to order IDF forces surrounding the camps to stop the massacre of innocent women and children. PERIOD His failure to do so, the failure of of the Israeli government to do so made them complicit in the deaths of those people.
Occupying authorities have the obligation to protect innocent people under their control. The American Conservative article makes it clear Israel isn't do that. Once again we don't believe in collective guilt. If you have not broken the law, we hold that your rights cannot be taken away from you. The governing authority cannot enter your home and steal from you, abuse people without just cause. If you're going to constantly call yourself the "one democracy" in the region, you have to act like it. "Conservatives" need to go back and look at Declaration and Bill of Rights again. Too many of you seem to have forgotten what they say and the fact that those rights are universal.
nathan| 11.30.12 @ 7:30PM
And excuse me sir, I don't support what the bad guys do in any way. I believe totally in self defense. But as I have said before, governments have to play by the rules. Especially those who brag about their "exceptionalism". That means no torture, no violation of the Constitution, no violation of international agreements. No the president doesn't get to act as though the law doesn't apply to him as the Bush people did.
Read Torture and Impunity by Alfred McCoy. If every page doesn't outrage you then something is wrong with you.
John786| 11.30.12 @ 7:37PM
One day you too will wake from the fantasies.
Marc Jeric| 12.1.12 @ 12:07AM
And now Mullah Obama, our marxist Muslim President from Kenya, will reward Hamas with another $3 trillion of "aid".
RCV| 12.1.12 @ 10:05PM
Obama has stood steadfastly with Israel, both during Israel's response to the Hamas rocket attacks, and in the UN, and Israel's leaders have acknowledged that.
Dimitry_Aleksandrovich| 12.1.12 @ 4:46PM
Why shouldn't the Palestinians have their own state? Also what right does Israel have announcing new settlements in the West Bank with other 3000 new housing developments. It is not Israel's land, it belongs to the Palestinians just like Israel itself.
RCV| 12.1.12 @ 10:03PM
If the Palestinian Arabs want to seek a state on their own rather than make peace with Israel, the Israel can act on its own to define its borders with that "state ". It would be foolish to let them anywhere close to Jewish Jerusalem.
taibeh| 12.1.12 @ 6:33PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/a.....-vote.html