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Could Obamacare Go the Way of McCain-Feingold?
The “Affordable Care Act” might die a death of a thousand legal cuts.
Last June, upon learning that the Supreme Court had ruled Obamacare’s individual mandate constitutional, many observers were forced to concur with the Dickens character who opined, “If the law supposes that… the law is an ass.” Yet, the increasing number of anti-PPACA lawsuits that have been receiving serious attention from the courts suggests that the legal system may not be as irrational as it seemed when Chief Justice John Roberts began braying from the bench on June 28. If this seems Pollyannaish, consider the fate of McCain-Feingold.
In December of 2003, many were just as shocked and dismayed when the Supreme Court upheld the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act (BCRA) as they were by the bizarre Obamacare decision. BCRA was an outrageous assault on the First Amendment, and yet the Court allowed most of its provisions to stand. Yet, anyone who had predicted that McCain-Feingold, as this abomination was more commonly known, would be moribund a mere six years and one month after the Court had ruled it constitutional would have been disregarded as hopelessly naïve.
Nonetheless, the opponents of McCain-Feingold launched a series of legal attacks that met with little success until 2007, when the Court ruled in FEC v. Wisconsin Right to Life. In that decision, the justices ruled unconstitutional the law’s proscription against campaign ads mentioning candidates by name within a certain period prior to an election. Then, in 2008, the Court voided another crucial provision in Davis v. FEC. Finally, in early 2010, the Court delivered the coup de gras with its landmark ruling in Citizens United v. FEC.
Are the legal foes of Obamacare as numerous and determined as those of McCain-Feingold? The answer to that question is an unequivocal YES. Their numbers are greater, they are far better financed and they are demonstrably more dedicated to the cause. In fact, the dragon’s teeth sown by the Court’s misguided June ruling produced a spate of fresh troops to reinforce those already on the legal battlefield. There are now at least forty legal challenges to the law pending in federal courts involving its various provisions as well as its implementation.
Moreover, the Court just resurrected one of the original challenges to Obamacare by ordering the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals to reconsider arguments on which it didn’t deign to rule in Liberty University v. Geithner last year. The Fourth Circuit’s pretext for not ruling on the University’s claims was that the federal Anti-Injunction Act (AIA) barred the Appeals Court from ruling on the mandate. The Supreme Court’s June ruling, however, held that the AIA doesn’t apply. Thus, the Appeals Court must give Liberty another hearing.
Liberty’s case differs from the lawsuits upon which SCOTUS ruled last summer in that the University challenged Obamacare for its unequal treatment of religious dissenters. As the original complaint states, “Liberty University is a Christian educational institution and Plaintiffs Waddell, Merrill and Helgeson are Christians, but none of the Plaintiffs is ‘a member of a religious sect or adherent of established tenets or teachings’ as described in Section 1501 and, therefore, all are prohibited from exercising a religious exemption under the Act.”
Another form of religious meddling prompted by Obamacare, the HHS contraception mandate, has also spawned dozens of lawsuits. Among the Catholic organizations suing over this outrage are the Archdiocese of Washington, D.C., the Archdiocese of Atlanta, the Archdiocese of Miami, and the Archdiocese of Pittsburgh. This revolt also includes University of Notre Dame and, as the Becket Fund puts it, “hospitals, universities, businesses, schools, and people all speaking with one voice to affirm the freedom of religion guaranteed in the Constitution.”
Among the businesses to which the Becket Fund refers are Hercules Industries, Weingartz Supply Company, and Tyndale House. And the courts are taking their challenges seriously. All three have won injunctions temporarily preventing the government from enforcing the HHS mandate. In July, Judge John Kane of the U.S. District Court for the District of Colorado enjoined the government on behalf of Hercules. And, within the past month, similar injunctions were issued protecting Weingartz and Tyndale from the depredations of HHS.
Another provision of Obamacare being challenged in court is the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB). IPAB, you will recall, is Obamacare’s rationing board. When PPACA was signed into law, Congress transferred much of its power to this committee, which will decide what services will be approved by Medicare and how much the providers of those services will be paid. The Goldwater Institute has filed a lawsuit, Coons v. Geithner, which challenges the constitutionality of IPAB under the separation of powers doctrine.
And, no list of Obamacare lawsuits would be complete without mentioning the Oklahoma lawsuit challenging the illegal IRS rule by which the Obama administration will attempt to funnel tax credits and subsidies through federally-created exchanges, despite the law’s stipulation that such premium-assistance can only be offered via state-run exchanges. This litigation is, in many ways, the most important of all the lawsuits. Without its insurance exchanges, and the accompanying subsidies, Obamacare will crash and burn.
These lawsuits involving the illegal IRS rule, IPAB, the contraception mandate, religious discrimination, etc. by no means exhaust the list of Obamacare challenges. This should inspire hope. It took the good guys six years to bring down McCain-Feingold. With a little luck, and a lot of patience, the good guys could well prevail against Obamacare as well. One hopes, of course, that it will not take six years. Still, “the law’s delay,” as Hamlet lamented, must be endured unless the “bare bodkin” seems a better choice.
Unfortunately, an important factor in all of this involves the longevity of the remaining Supreme Court justices who heed the Constitution. If one or more of these is promoted to that great tribunal in the sky, and the president is able to appoint another administration lackey like Elena Kagan to the Court, Obamacare may well be safe. On the other hand, if any of the serious challenges to PPACA arrive on the docket before any of the “conservative” justices shuffles off this mortal coil, the legal system may yet prove itself not to be an ass after all.
About the Author
David Catron is a health care revenue cycle expert who has spent more than twenty years working for and consulting with hospitals and medical practices. He has an MBA from the University of Georgia and blogs at Health Care BS.
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LONE STAR| 11.30.12 @ 6:14AM
Obamacare can be easily killed. The House just needs to cut off funding for implementing it.
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 6:47AM
Contest at Wednesday's - "The Honourable Backup".
Read the New Rules.
It would seem, by the look of Today's Menu, that The Contest is sorely needed.
Pecos Pete| 11.30.12 @ 7:07AM
Lone Star: King O will simply ignore the Constitution and issue an Executive Order to the Treasury Department to write the checks. Of course, the EO will be a state secret and we will all be left wondering how it happened. Remember Benghazi!
C. Vernon Crisler | 11.30.12 @ 10:11AM
The law wasn't an ass in the Obamacare ruling. Judge "Taney" Roberts was the ass.
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 10:30AM
You got that right.
Tanya Roberts had one nice Ass.
Occam's Tool| 11.30.12 @ 6:17PM
Yeah, she did. Judge Roberts is simply a wide load, though. As with most attorneys, brain in ass under pressure.
JmsA| 11.30.12 @ 3:06PM
Behold! The resident pseudo conservative polymath , Crisler, has deigned to regale us with more of his unending inane profundities.
Purp| 11.30.12 @ 2:53PM
The funding is automatic now ... it can't be killed with out Senate and Presidential approval ... It's going to be permanent, so get over it.
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 4:13PM
Obviously, you don't understand the meaning of: The Power of the Purse.
But then, you think you're a Girl.
So, I guess I shouldn't be surprised, should I?
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 5:22PM
What a superb third-grade-playground putdown, TLP.
Congratulations for advancing in your educational path.
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 6:12PM
Thanks.
That was a pretty good one.
Glad you liked it.
Occam's Tool| 11.30.12 @ 6:38PM
The fiscal cliff: here's my analogy, Tim---
Leo Durocher was well known for being an aggressive asshole and banging hot chicks. Here's how an acquaintance described how Durocher saw the world: [this is not my original story. I believe that it is from "Summer of '64." OT]
"Suppose you and Leo are on a Raft in the middle of the ocean. Leo sticks his foot into the water and is pulled in by a shark. You rescue Leo, but in the process your leg is bitten off.
The next day, you and Leo start off even."
Leo is a stand-in for our Dear Leader, only much better with women and more successful and competent at his jobs (ML ballplayer and manager).
Howzzat?
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 9:07PM
No, Occam ... Whazzat?
Occam's Tool| 12.3.12 @ 9:11PM
Wrong thread, Ralph. Logic still applies.
Scotty| 12.3.12 @ 11:50AM
Lone Star,
You really don't understand the facts. The "funding" you refer to is actually a form of tax credits, which are now part of permanent tax law. It's not like it's part of some annual appropriation bill. Do some research.
dickdata| 12.7.12 @ 11:04AM
You DO know that that would require passage by BOTH houses of Congress, a veto by the President, and an OVERRIDE of the veto by 2/3 of each house of Congress, right???
spike59| 11.30.12 @ 6:21AM
death by a thousand cuts...and once the 20-somethings who voted overwhelmingly for the turds who brought ObaMaoScare are handed the bill, and they realize how much they are going to be paying for so little return, the scalpels will be replaced by chainsaws
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 6:50AM
They'll just pay for it with the Money they get from their Thousandth Week of Unemployment.
Contest at Wednesday's - "The Honourable Backup".
Read the New Rules.
It would seem, by the look of Today's Menu, that The Contest is sorely needed.
JimH| 11.30.12 @ 8:53AM
The twenty-somethings who could do the math went mostly for Paul. A lot of O’s support came from the ladies with blue hair after prompting from the AARP. Listen to them squeal now as the spectre of entitlement reform is raised.
spike59| 11.30.12 @ 10:05AM
ObaMao won the 'under 30' vote by over 20 percent-Paul (at least not Ron Paul) wasn't on the ballot-as usual
Von Mises Jr| 11.30.12 @ 7:47AM
If the Catholic Church would simply contact the 50 State Governors and let them know that if they set up the Exchanges, all Catholic Hospitals will be closed in the State, it would create a conundrum for the government. Setting up the Exchanges and funding the Medicaid Expansion will not be very effective if many of that State's Hospitals close.
In fact, it is often the Catholic Hospitals that are located in the Urban Centers and provide much of the Indigent Care.
It is also probably true that most of the abortions are performed in these Urban Areas, so if the Catholic Church does not close them down now, it won’t be long before Obama will give them the ultimatum to perform abortions or lose all of their Medicaid Reimbursements. So why let them control the timeline and prepare to take over these health care facilities?
Our Muslim loving Prophet Obama has re-ignited the Crusades.
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 9:27AM
Absolutely.
Shut it down.
Everything.
The people that Lose Access to these Church Run Fascilities will Burn Down the Cities.
And, as we all know: Fire is the Great Purifier.
RCV| 11.30.12 @ 12:27PM
The Catholic Church cares too much about the people it serves to engage in the political stunt you suggest.
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 3:14PM
I'm thinking that they care A LOT MORE about their Religious Teachings, and Dictums.
But then, I'm not a Dumb@ss, like you obviously are.
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 5:20PM
I'll disagree with you a bit about how much the Catholic Church actually cares about people and how much it cares about its image as caring about people, but I basically agree with you. They're not stupid/nasty enough to do what some of the cretins here would advocate.
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 6:16PM
You know nothing about Church Doctrine.
Unlike your belief that The Constitution is living and breathing, which it's not. The Church's Beliefs are WRITTEN IN STONE, no matter what this False Prophet believes.
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 8:59PM
Right, Corporal TLP, the Constitution is no more "living and breathing" than The Church's beliefs.
Signed ... False Prophet.
LMAO.
Von Mises Jr| 12.1.12 @ 7:47AM
Ignore Ralpie, TLP. It is just another disguise for Perp. I figured he would choose Rachael since he is probably wearing his mother's underwear while he blogs.
Occam's Tool| 11.30.12 @ 6:18PM
It will be interesting to see what Mayo Clinics does. They are Catholic.
chuckbryant| 12.2.12 @ 2:45AM
NO.
The Mayos where Episcopal. They partnered with some catholic nuns for nursing staff in the early years. Rochester Methodist Hospital is one of the main units of the modern Mayo Clinic system.
Occam's Tool| 12.3.12 @ 9:11PM
St. Mary's.
rhcrest| 12.1.12 @ 3:55PM
The Catholic Church stopped all its adoption process because the gov't in MA was forcing it to let children be adopted by gays. What makes you think they will put up with children actually being killed on their premises?
chuckbryant| 12.1.12 @ 9:03PM
NO.
The Catholic adoption agency CHOSE to close their doors rather than use their tax payer granted money to serve all (including LGBT) taxpayers .
Meanwhile, the Mormon adoption agency when faced with the same decision, chose to reject public funding and continue their adoption agency with private funds and thus the freedom to exclude any prospective adoptive parents as they choose.
Purp| 11.30.12 @ 2:55PM
Great idea - and then the tax exemption can be removed from all Catholic Churches and properties for violating the law regarding political activity.
Genius move VM.
Moe Blotz| 11.30.12 @ 3:00PM
What law prohibits Catholic churches (or any other for that matter) from indulging in "political activity"? Please define political activity.
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 3:15PM
Only Black Churches are allowed to do that.
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 3:15PM
And, the Law is their Tax Exempt Status.
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 5:36PM
So they have to spray, brush or slather black paint on their clapboards to qualify?
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 6:44PM
No.
On their Skin.
Then, Eric Holder will meet with them, to instruct them how to GET AROUND THE LAW.
But, you already knew that, didn't you, Dumb@ss?
spike59| 12.3.12 @ 5:44AM
typical moronic spew from Ralphiepurp...but, it beats thinking, i guess
Purp| 11.30.12 @ 8:49PM
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf
spike59| 12.3.12 @ 5:52AM
i would say that every 'African-American church' whose pastor advocated ObaMao's election in 2008, and/or his re-election in 2012, is in violation under the tax laws; and anyone who doesn't understand that the MAJORITY of these pastors have done that, have never been to an 'African-American church'...now, give me a number between ZERO and ZERO of how many of these churches will ever lose their tax-exempt status while "serve MY people" Eric Holder is the AG
Purp| 11.30.12 @ 8:49PM
Oh, MOE - It took me 20 seconds to google this from the IRS! Here are the laws that shall not be violated by the Church.
Why don't you double-check everything you hear on Fox and Rush. They are complete liars all the time.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf
Moe Blotz| 12.1.12 @ 9:37AM
IRS prohibits active politicking in churches or they lose tax exempt status, but that is contrary to the Constitution's establishment clause. Bold preachers around our country are flaunting the rules and the IRS has not moved against them. Unenforceable. Let freedom ring.
CJW| 11.30.12 @ 3:32PM
Purp the Village Idiot posted the following after the elections:
"Purp| 11.8.12 @ 10:35AM
"The Lord rules, not Obama." - CORRECT!
The Lord works in mysterious ways... and this is something for the faithful to contemplate in the way the see the world:
Hurricane Sandy and Chris Christie was the Lord's way of pressing his thumb on the scale to tilt in the direction of President Obama. It was His punishment of Republicans for their lying and trying to cheat (Voter Suppression) their way to political victory, while espousing faith, freedom and constitutional credentials."
So purpie believes God killed over 100 persons and destroyed millions of dollars of property to help Obama win.
In Sept Purpie wrote that Amassador Stevens was at fault and caused his death.
Purpie also wrote that the unborn are biological entities not deserving of protection until God allows them to be born. (What does this mean?)
Purpie represents the Loon Left that should be mocked and ridiculed, and not engaged in conversation
Joellen| 11.30.12 @ 4:25PM
CJW - I REALLY, REALLY love ya! I thought I was "determined" to change the narrative - but you truly are the best!
CJW| 11.30.12 @ 5:15PM
Back at you, Joellen. The Catholic hospitals could all close and there is no violation of any law. purpie is an idiot, do not pay attention to him.
Purp| 11.30.12 @ 8:49PM
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 9:02PM
Right.
Many of their tax-exempt statuses should be revoked.
Pretty damned clear, actually.
But it's a "third rail" thing, politically.
CJW| 11.30.12 @ 11:12PM
Purp the Village Idiot
What section prohibits a Catholic hospital from closing?
Moron.
dickdata| 12.7.12 @ 11:08AM
You DO know that Catholic hospitals in more than half of the states were ALREADY abiding by STATE laws which required funding of contraception, right??? Including the hospitals overseen by Archbishop Dolan in New York state??? The esteemed Archbishop had NO problem with providing contraception under STATE law, it was only when the Presidential election was involved that the Archbishop suddenly had a problem...
Bob From District 9| 12.7.12 @ 11:20PM
Catholic hospitals are as much businesses as any other hospitals. If the church threatened to close them the states could just take them under eminent domain. Since a closed hospital has little value the price would be very low.
OTOH, if the Catholic Church tried to pull a stunt like that the Catholic Church would face a schism like you would not believe. Most Catholics by far favor contraception. You may not know this, but the prohibition of contraception is not Biblically based, and thus most Catholics will not accept a ban on discussing it. Sorry, the pope leads the church, he doesn't own it.
Schism is one of the great fears of the Catholic Church. The bishops and pope would be forced to reconsider the issue.
Most schisms I know of had, at their root, a basis in the arrogance of a church hierarchy that believes it is beyond question. This time the rejection of most of the Western world's Catholics would constitute a de facto schism that could shake the church to it's very foundations. This schism could force the pope to admit he is not infallible.
derekcrane | 11.30.12 @ 7:47AM
Most people don't realize that about a quarter of the Obamacare bill describes how the goodies under control of the legislation be divided by race, gender, ethnicity and sexual orientation. Every aspect of health care will come under the purview of new boards which have the responsibility of assuring that America will have the correct percentage of black doctors, gay nurses, women administrators and Hispanic hospital administrators Other boards are given the task of assuring that no group receive better health care than any other. Don't believe me? Read the bill -- it's totally saturated with affirmative action for everyone but white heterosexual males.
Purp| 11.30.12 @ 2:56PM
Prove it. Page numbers, citations. Otherwise, bullshit.
JD| 11.30.12 @ 3:38PM
Imagine if Purp held himself to his standards...
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 5:16PM
He has, JD. You simply haven't been bright enough to notice.
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 6:46PM
Prove it! Page Numbers. Citations. Otherwise, Bullshit.
Like You.
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 9:09PM
"Hoist by your own petard," boy.
Look it up.
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 9:54PM
Go Fck Yourself.
Look it up.
Ralph Novy| 12.1.12 @ 12:10AM
Game. Set. Match.
Brad| 12.1.12 @ 2:11PM
"Game. Set. Match."
And the winner: TLP.
You lose again, A*****e.
Purp| 11.30.12 @ 8:49PM
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf
CJW| 11.30.12 @ 11:13PM
Purp the Village Idiot
What section prohibits a Catholic hospital from closing?
Moron
Purp| 12.1.12 @ 8:56AM
Tax Laws you stupid fool ....
Churches are not allowed to lobby, campaign or support politicians or political positions. Period.
God you're dumb.
CJW| 12.1.12 @ 12:47PM
Purp the Village Idiot
What section prohibits a Catholic hospital from closing? Give us the exact citation that prevents a Catholic hospital from closing. Can't do it.
Moron
Bob From District 9| 12.7.12 @ 11:21PM
He's right.
chuckbryant| 11.30.12 @ 3:38PM
You obviously haven't read any of it.
Go to the Wikipedia entry for Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and scroll down to the footnotes. There you will find the actual law on the GPO website.
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 6:47PM
Stop confusing them with FACTS.
They don't like that.
Purp| 11.30.12 @ 8:51PM
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf
Shove some facts up your ass.
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 9:11PM
Now, now, Purp.
You shouldn't say that.
Let ME say that, OK?
LOL
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 9:55PM
Maybe you two should get together and shove things up each other's asses?
spike59| 12.3.12 @ 5:55AM
Maybe you two should get together and shove things up each other's asses?
=======================
like they're not doing that already?????
CJW| 11.30.12 @ 11:13PM
Purp the Village Idiot
What section prohibits a Catholic hospital from closing?
Moron
Purp| 12.1.12 @ 8:57AM
Tax Laws you stupid fool ....
Churches are not allowed to lobby, campaign or support politicians or political positions. Period.
God you're dumb.
CJW| 12.1.12 @ 12:48PM
Purp the Village Idiot
What section prohibits a Catholic hospital from closing? Give us the exact citation that prevents a Catholic hospital from closing. Can't do it.
dickdata| 12.7.12 @ 1:12PM
Catholic hospitals CAN close. They won't. They've been subject to STATE laws requiring contraceptive coverage for YEARS in more than half of the states, including Archbishop Dolan's New York. The Catholic bishops don't care about contraceptive coverage - they just wanted a Republican President so that the US would back up the Vatican at international conferences. Now that the election is over, the whole thing will die back down....
Purp| 11.30.12 @ 8:50PM
Footnotes? That is spin bud (interpretation), try again.
CJW| 11.30.12 @ 8:10AM
The suit by the Pittsburgh Archdiocese was dismissed without prejudice this week by Judge Terrance McVerry, a Republican appointee, on the basis that the Diocese has not yet suffered any harm. Judge McVerry stated that the Administration is trying to resolve the issues that could cause harm, and that the Administration has not yet enforced the regulations that could cause the harm.
While it was dismissed without prejudice, the suit can be filed agains if there is harm. The Court by saying the Administration is trying to resolve the potential harmful regulations is stating by implication that the regulations can cause the harm.
Von Mises Jr| 11.30.12 @ 8:40AM
How is it that the liberal/progressive/socialist can tell us that if Obama signs onto LOST or Hillary signs onto UN Gun bans that spit in the face of Constitution loving Americans that this is fine while they stick to rigid procedures for their pet laws and rules? The IPAB and the Consumer Financial Protection Board in Dodd Frank are unaccountable, unelected dictators like Sebelius and these Boards get their funding directly from the Fed instead of the "Power of the Purse" in Congress. But we are told we have something like 15 days in 2017 to repeal these unconstitutional travesties.
It is apparent that they just make this shit up and pull it out of the top drawer whenever they need a justification for tyranny?
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 5:40PM
Take a chill pill, pal.
And then get ready for a liberal enema!
LMAO.
spike59| 12.3.12 @ 5:56AM
And then get ready for a liberal enema!
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is that what hapens to send liberals off to circle the drain???? count me IN!!!!
Joellen| 11.30.12 @ 8:43AM
CJW, another disappointment by a "republican appointee". I pray the Bishops continue the fight and I pray the Catholics back their Bishops in this fight. Maybe this is the time the Bishops truly awaken to their role as disciples of CHRIST and fight Obamacare with the sword of St. Paul.
CJW| 11.30.12 @ 8:54AM
Joellen and Von
I believe the Diocese will eventually win. It appears the Judge was telling the Administration it will lose if they do enforce the regulations.
Joellen| 11.30.12 @ 9:19AM
I hope you're right CJW. I naively wish that just ONCE these so called Republicans would act definitively in our favor.
chuckbryant| 11.30.12 @ 3:34PM
Nobody is forcing Bishops to take birth control pills.
Religious Freedom does not extend to getting in between your employees and their doctor.
CJW| 11.30.12 @ 5:18PM
Employees can do whatever they want with their doctor. It is a First Am issue when you force me to pay for abortion which is intrisically evil. What if you want me to pay for your doctor to kill you?
chuckbryant| 11.30.12 @ 6:33PM
Employees also share in the cost of group health insurance. It is and should be between an employee, her doctor and her god what they do - such as using hormones to control ovulation (which is no more murder than when masturbation spills precious sperm). Employers should mind their own business - which does not include the moralizing of the workforce.
CJW| 11.30.12 @ 6:39PM
Pay 100% of your own health insurance and do whatever you want.
spike59| 12.3.12 @ 5:58AM
It is and should be between an employee, her doctor and her god what they do
spike59| 12.3.12 @ 6:08AM
the rest of my comment got 'chopped'
'and it is'....but it should be between an employer and his/her God whether he/should pay for things that violate his/her conscience
spike59| 12.3.12 @ 6:06AM
Religious Freedom does not extend to getting in between your employees and their doctor.
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and, in the ProgLeft view, it DOES extend to getting between an employer and his faith...
Purp| 11.30.12 @ 8:52PM
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf
Yeah, let's tax the guys in funny hats and dresses...!
dickdata| 12.7.12 @ 1:15PM
Catholics use contraceptives, so it's unlikely that they will back the bishops, and, now that the Presidential election is over, it's unlikely that the bishops will continue the fight - their only interest was in electing a Republican President.
Bob From District 9| 12.7.12 @ 11:26PM
"Maybe this is the time the Bishops truly awaken to their role as disciples of CHRIST and fight Obamacare with the sword of St. Paul."
The bishops support Obamacare. The only issues the Catholic Church agrees with the republicans on involve sex and pregnancy. Other than that the Bishops might as well join the democratic party.
You do need to read what the Bishops had to say about Paul Ryan's economic proposals. Damn near damned him.
Purp| 11.30.12 @ 8:51PM
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf
CJW| 11.30.12 @ 11:14PM
Purp the Village Idiot
What section prohibits a Catholic hospital from closing?
Moron
Purp| 12.1.12 @ 8:59AM
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf
Tax Laws you stupid fool ....
Churches are not allowed to lobby, campaign or support politicians or political positions. Period.
Maybe you should stick to copy/pasting!
God you're dumb.
CJW| 12.1.12 @ 12:48PM
Purp the Village Idiot
What section prohibits a Catholic hospital from closing? Give us the exact citation that prevents a Catholic hospital from closing. Can't do it.
spike59| 12.3.12 @ 6:12AM
"What section prohibits a Catholic hospital from closing?"
==================
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf
Tax Laws you stupid fool ....
==================
sorry, purpie, but there is NO mention whatsoever of a Catholic hospital from closing its doors; and if they choose to do so, 16% of healthcare in this country is GONE...but go ahead and play with yourself in the ideological ash-pile while you wait in line to get your warts removed at the ER....
Moron would be an intellectual step up for an utter dolt such as yourself
Hardcard| 11.30.12 @ 8:12AM
That's 57 state governors!!!
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 9:29AM
You win, again!
Mike G| 11.30.12 @ 8:15AM
The biggest problem with the crashing and burning of Obamacare is the solution government will come up with replace it--single payer. The infringement of our rights will remain.
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 9:34AM
Obamacare IS Single Payer.
Eventually (and it shouldn't take very long in this Economic Environment) thousands of Unfunded Mandates, directed at Businesses and at the Private Insurance Companies, will KILL Independent George.
If you get my drift.
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 5:27PM
"Obamacare IS Single Payer"?
What part of SINGLE.PAYER do you not understand, TLP?
Wow.
Now THAT is about as stupid a statement as I've heard in quite a while. That's right up there with "the earth is flat."
I'd ask you where you went to school, TLP, but obviously you didn't.
Oh.......good luck with your "contest," by the way. What does the winner win? A Bible or a clout upside the head?
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 6:50PM
You really need to read ALL OF IT, before opening your mouth, and confirming the Stupidity that everyone already suspects from you.
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 9:15PM
Glad to know that you speak for "everyone," TLP.
Hadn't yet realized you were God.
Thank you.
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 9:57PM
Now you know.
Purp| 11.30.12 @ 8:53PM
You are an idiot.
You will be paying Blue Cross, Aetna, United Healthcare, Humana, etc. under Obamacare...
Medicare is Single Payer dummy.
Purp| 11.30.12 @ 3:05PM
Hmmmm that would be even better - Medicare for All!
CJW| 11.30.12 @ 3:32PM
Purp the Village Idiot posted the following after the elections:
"Purp| 11.8.12 @ 10:35AM
"The Lord rules, not Obama." - CORRECT!
The Lord works in mysterious ways... and this is something for the faithful to contemplate in the way the see the world:
Hurricane Sandy and Chris Christie was the Lord's way of pressing his thumb on the scale to tilt in the direction of President Obama. It was His punishment of Republicans for their lying and trying to cheat (Voter Suppression) their way to political victory, while espousing faith, freedom and constitutional credentials."
So purpie believes God killed over 100 persons and destroyed millions of dollars of property to help Obama win.
In Sept Purpie wrote that Amassador Stevens was at fault and caused his death.
Purpie also wrote that the unborn are biological entities not deserving of protection until God allows them to be born. (What does this mean?)
Purpie represents the Loon Left that should be mocked and ridiculed, and not engaged in conversation
Purp| 11.30.12 @ 8:54PM
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf
CJW| 11.30.12 @ 11:15PM
Purp the Village Idiot
What section prohibits a Catholic hospital from closing?
Moron
Purp| 12.1.12 @ 8:59AM
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf
Tax Laws you stupid fool ....
Churches are not allowed to lobby, campaign or support politicians or political positions. Period.
Maybe you should stick to copy/pasting!
God you're dumb.
CJW| 12.1.12 @ 12:48PM
Purp the Village Idiot
What section prohibits a Catholic hospital from closing? Give us the exact citation that prevents a Catholic hospital from closing. Can't do it.
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 5:28PM
Yes, "Medicare for all."
KISS method -- Keep It Simple, Stupid.
It's more efficient than private means and is fairer.
Duh.
Occam's Tool| 11.30.12 @ 6:22PM
Many doctors are dropping out of Medicare, Ralph.
It's a fascinating thing, watching Liberals try to defy "The gods of the Copybook Headings."
Medicare is NOT more efficent nor fair than private means, and NICE (which IPAB is modelled after) isn't. Obviously, you have never tried to care for patients in a NICE system. I have. It's not making less money which was a problem---it was greatly restricted care.
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 6:52PM
Don't waste your time, on one such as he.
He's one of them.
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 7:06PM
Plus, Medicare is TRILLION$ in Debt.
But, again, you don't wanna confuse his kind, with any Facts.
They don't like that.
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 9:22PM
Medicare is NOT trillions in debt, TLP.
Can't you figure out how to Google?
Jeez, Louise.
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 9:59PM
I know that Medicare is Trillions in Debt.
You don't seem to know anything.
What a surprise.
Ralph Novy| 12.1.12 @ 12:17AM
It's so deeply profound that you know things that are unknowable, TLP.
You must fancy yourself a modern-day "Buddha" or something, eh?
You "know" that up is down and right is left, even though virtually everyone else on the planet believes otherwise. Wow. What a "wise leader" you are. You "know" things that no-one else does.
In the olden days, we locked you SOBs up as "psychos," pal. You want your own reality? Fine. Here it is -- in this padded cell.
Bob From District 9| 12.7.12 @ 11:29PM
So, TLP, you would replace Medicare with Ice Flow insurance?
Purp| 11.30.12 @ 8:56PM
And, when they have no other choice, they will comply, just like you will.
Resistance is futile - you will be assimilated for your own good.
If there is restrictive care, then Republicans get what they want - don't you? You should be thrilled ... oh wait, more of YOU are on the public dole. Whoopsie. Yeah, so that's why you don't like it.
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 9:19PM
Many doctors are greedy, Occam.
That said, please do explain to me all this NICE and IPAB stuff.
I'm not utterly enamored of centrally controlled heath-care systems; I'm merely convinced that a single PAYER for the systems' providers is best.
Purp| 12.1.12 @ 9:03AM
50 State Regulators wil be overseen by the Federal regulators of insurance to provide for standardization and minimum level of care nationwide - through the State Exchanges.
That's all, no big deal.
It's a tempest in a teapot for the Republicans... they don't have any real issues, so they make them up!
It's all part of the 30 year plan to turn the Middle Class against it's best interests. Sadly it did work, but now the public is waking up - finally.
R's are toast, done, out.
Occam's Tool| 12.3.12 @ 9:12PM
Medicare for all would bankrupt hospitals.
Bob From District 9| 12.7.12 @ 11:32PM
"Occam's Tool| 12.3.12 @ 9:12PM
Medicare for all would bankrupt hospitals."
It hasn't in any other industrialized country with national health care.
Japan spend half the percentage of GDP on health care, has more hospital beds, more MRI and Cat scan machines, no delays in seeing specialists, and even longer average stays in those more hospital beds. All that with half our cost to GDP ration. That would save this country $1.5T/year. Enough to solve almost all our medical cost problems.
That's per year, not over 10 years. Beats the hell out of any republican plan presented.
Russel| 11.30.12 @ 10:28AM
I want to see Roberts go that way . Our Founders would be stunned , dazed and pissed that a single twerp lawyer was able to stick us with more government rules and regulations that old King George couldn't even dream of .
Citizen Jerry| 11.30.12 @ 10:51AM
I've always wondered whether something like this would happen. Just like our poseur-in-chief signing legislation to close Gitmo. After four years, that one's still in limbo.
I'm also not so sure about some of our justices being "promoted to that great tribunal in the sky." Dante envisioned a different fate for those who pervert justice.
George S| 11.30.12 @ 12:05PM
The two cases couldn't be more different. McCain-Feingold dealt with spending on campaigns which is something the Obama Society has neither the money nor the interest in which to participate. In other words, there was no skin off anyone's couch welded rear end when the law was eviscerated.
ObamaCare is different. Once people get into the system, SCOTUS will be loathe to take away an entitlement (social security and Medicare are unconstitutional yet are bankrupting us thank you very much). Roberts will look out the window and see the (w)hordes gathering and demanding their birth control be not taken away by the Old White Men. Then the 47 Percent will rise up -- deftly led by Democrats -- and angrily "protect" their right to health care.
Roberts flinched once and nothing happened to his career. Now it's smooth sailing to serfdom.
Besides, all those law suits must wait for a party to be harmed. By that time, those harmed will be outnumbered by the barbarians who stormed the gates last November 6th.
Bob From District 9| 12.7.12 @ 11:35PM
"Then the 47 Percent will rise up -- deftly led by Democrats -- and angrily "protect" their right to health care."
Yes, the retired people who worked their whole lives and now feel they should get back from what they paid into will rise up.
Yes, the military personnel who served this country, can came back wounded or damaged and now try to get by on govt disability will rise up.
Yes, millions who worked decades, then found themselves victims of Bushonomics will rise up.
Yes, the decent people of this country will rise up.
Purp| 11.30.12 @ 1:54PM
"If this seems Pollyannaish, consider the fate of McCain-Feingold" - yes, it is. M-F helped no one survive, live easier or relieve suffering.
Obamacare will remain Law of the Land, so get used to it and stop fighting it.
This reminds me of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. They keep fighting for decades to get rid of Israel, which looks completely stupid that they don't get over it and move on, create a country of their own and prosper.
You lost the election and you won't overcome the people. Are you that delusional you think you can overturn Obamacare in the courts?
I thought you don't like ACTIVIST courts? Hmmmm....
CJW| 11.30.12 @ 3:32PM
Purp the Village Idiot posted the following after the elections:
"Purp| 11.8.12 @ 10:35AM
"The Lord rules, not Obama." - CORRECT!
The Lord works in mysterious ways... and this is something for the faithful to contemplate in the way the see the world:
Hurricane Sandy and Chris Christie was the Lord's way of pressing his thumb on the scale to tilt in the direction of President Obama. It was His punishment of Republicans for their lying and trying to cheat (Voter Suppression) their way to political victory, while espousing faith, freedom and constitutional credentials."
So purpie believes God killed over 100 persons and destroyed millions of dollars of property to help Obama win.
In Sept Purpie wrote that Amassador Stevens was at fault and caused his death.
Purpie also wrote that the unborn are biological entities not deserving of protection until God allows them to be born. (What does this mean?)
Purpie represents the Loon Left that should be mocked and ridiculed, and not engaged in conversation
Purp| 11.30.12 @ 8:56PM
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf
CJW| 11.30.12 @ 11:15PM
Purp the Village Idiot
What section prohibits a Catholic hospital from closing?
Moron
Purp| 12.1.12 @ 9:08AM
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf
Tax Laws you stupid fool ....
Churches are not allowed to lobby, campaign or support politicians or political positions. Period.
Maybe you should stick to copy/pasting!
God you're dumb.
CJW| 12.1.12 @ 12:49PM
Purp the Village Idiot
What section prohibits a Catholic hospital from closing? Give us the exact citation that prevents a Catholic hospital from closing. Can't do it.
Goldwater Girl| 11.30.12 @ 2:14PM
"so get used to it, and stop fighting it" Purp says that to all the girls!
Purp| 11.30.12 @ 2:48PM
I thought that was the Conservadum view of rape? Lay back and enjoy it .... Todd Akin, Richard Murdoch and the House of Rapresentatives ... !
CJW| 11.30.12 @ 3:32PM
Purp the Village Idiot posted the following after the elections:
"Purp| 11.8.12 @ 10:35AM
"The Lord rules, not Obama." - CORRECT!
The Lord works in mysterious ways... and this is something for the faithful to contemplate in the way the see the world:
Hurricane Sandy and Chris Christie was the Lord's way of pressing his thumb on the scale to tilt in the direction of President Obama. It was His punishment of Republicans for their lying and trying to cheat (Voter Suppression) their way to political victory, while espousing faith, freedom and constitutional credentials."
So purpie believes God killed over 100 persons and destroyed millions of dollars of property to help Obama win.
In Sept Purpie wrote that Amassador Stevens was at fault and caused his death.
Purpie also wrote that the unborn are biological entities not deserving of protection until God allows them to be born. (What does this mean?)
Purpie represents the Loon Left that should be mocked and ridiculed, and not engaged in conversation
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 5:32PM
That's all you've got, isn't it? -- calling Purp names.
What a miserable little jizzrag you are that your entire identity here, at least lately, seems to depend upon you being the "Anti-Purp."
Have a self-gander, pal. Then take a deep breath and change.
Word to the unwise.
CJW| 11.30.12 @ 5:58PM
Words of wisdom from purpie's best friend, Ralphie. As they say, you shall be known by your friends:
"Ralph Novy| 11.28.12 @ 1:26AM
Got news for you, pal: McCain did NOT serve his country "bravely" in the military.
Check out his record. Couple of crashed planes. Plenty of slack cut for him because he was an admiral's son.
Moreover ... check into how me managed to survive -- so well -- the North Vietnamese prison camp he was in. Ask some hard questions about how many broadcasts he made for North Vietnamese radio and what special considerations he got in return."
So Ralphie believes McCain spent five years at the Hanoi Hilton playing golf, taking excursions to Hawaii, Spain, Manhattan, Martha's Vineyard like his hero Obama, and McCain must have injured his shoulders playing golf?
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 6:07PM
You needed to use quotation marks there, son.
But that aside ... yeah, I think his stay at the "Hanoi Hilton" needs more scrutiny. No, I don't think he was playing golf or had "furloughs to Hawaii," but I do think he got special treatment and I don't think he's fessed-up about that.
Duh.
And yeah -- those flyboy "top guns" were NOT as brave as the "grunts" on the ground there.
So what are you taking issue with here, CJW?
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 6:10PM
Oh ... and by the way ... so impressed and intimidated by you calling me "Ralphie" and Purp "Purpie."
How Shakespearean!
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 6:12PM
I withdraw my "quotation marks" criticism. See them now.
LOL
Occam's Tool| 11.30.12 @ 6:25PM
Ralph: he was so beaten in the "Hanoi Hilton" that he can't tie his own shoes well, nor type to answer e-mail.
Don't be a moron. Insult him over his academic record, his penchant for crashing planes, his obnoxious behavior.
But the man was tortured for his country.
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 7:00PM
He says that. We don't know that.
Although there's probably a fair amount of truth in it, I'd concede.
Occam's Tool| 12.3.12 @ 9:13PM
There are some MOH winners who would confirm that who were in there with him, Ralph.
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 6:58PM
See:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2.....n-packing/
and
http://www.newtotalitarians.co.....Canary.htm
I'm sending you those links, CJW, just to show you I wasn't pulling my questions/allegations out of thin air.
Check them out for yourself.
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 6:59PM
Two more:
http://www.paperlessarchives.c.....files.html
http://educate-yourself.org/cn.....eb08.shtml
CJW| 11.30.12 @ 7:28PM
You actually provided references to anti-Israel articles by Gordon Duff to validate your McCain story?
Occam's Tool| 11.30.12 @ 6:42PM
You know,the grunts were incredibly brave, but some flyboy top guns like, say, Joe Foss were trained as infantrymen and incredibly brave and skilled flyers. I mean, he did win The Medal. And there's only one Medal in the US Marines or any US Armed Forces Branch referred to as The Medal. And when I talk about WWII flyers verss WWII grunts, the same applies for 'Nam.
Occam's Tool| 11.30.12 @ 6:43PM
"versus," sorry.
By the way, I believe that TLP was a Combat vet, Ralph.
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 7:03PM
Sorry, Occam, but, if true, that makes most of TLP's comments even MORE inexcusable.
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 7:06PM
"Those who have actually borne the brunt of war will not be bellicose" should apply.
Or something like that.
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 7:12PM
I hope this sets you straight on this guy, Occam.
You can't Fix Stupid.
And, as you can see.
This guy is way past Stupid.
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 7:15PM
And, I was not a Combat Vet.
I was Stationed at McGuire AFB, in New Jersey, from 75 to 79, at the height of the Cold War, at a First Strike Base.
And that's more than that POS Novy ever did.
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 7:18PM
What does "POS" mean?
(As if I really wanted to know. LOL)
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 7:19PM
Oh. Right. "Piece of Shit."
I had had my eyes focused on a higher intellectual plain and ignored the vulgarly obvious.
Sorry.
My fault.
Occam's Tool| 12.3.12 @ 9:15PM
And that's honest.
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 7:17PM
You didn't even bother to glance at the shit about McCain I sent you, did you, TLP?
No.
Because TLP = "GOD"
And whatever GOD says is true and right and righteous and unquestionable, right?
Get a mirror, son!
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 7:18PM
I saw your "Shit".
It was Shit.
Just like you.
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 7:22PM
Nah, nah, nah, nah, NAH-nah!
LMAO.
Ten-hut!!!!!!!!!!!
Salute Corporal TLP of the Arkansas Reserves!
CJW| 11.30.12 @ 7:22PM
Tim
check out the sites listed by Ralph, especially the veterans today.
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 7:32PM
I'll admit the "Veterans Today" site is weak and poorly put together.
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 7:14PM
I would point out, Occam, that there were ... what? 17 CMHs awarded to the ruthless gunners at Wounded Knee?
So medals, in and by themselves, mean .... ?
I see the "medal salad" on lots of generals' uniforms. And I wonder what they actually are and whether they actually earned them. Don't you?
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 7:17PM
I rest my case.
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 7:19PM
Ignore him.
He's not worth the time.
Occam's Tool| 12.3.12 @ 9:18PM
Stockdale's was earned. And the awarding of MOHs during and since WWII have become quite rigorous, with MacArthur's in WWII the only really questionable one that I know of. There were only 400 awarded in WWII to the 8 million who served.
I have met and known quite a few combat vets.
CJW| 11.30.12 @ 7:21PM
OT
Check out the sites listed by Ralph, especially the veterans today.
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 7:24PM
Yes, do.
If you look even halfway carefully, you'll note that these are not "liberal" sites. In fact, they're mostly, if anything, "right-wing" sites.
CJW| 11.30.12 @ 7:30PM
Your buddy Gordon Duff seems obsessed with Israel.
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 7:32PM
Who is Gordon Duff?
CJW| 11.30.12 @ 7:49PM
"NEVER HAS AN AMERICAN CANDIDATE HAD SO MUCH TO HIDE AND DONE SO MUCH TO HURT AMERICA’S VETERANS AND MILITARY
QUESTIONS JOHN MCCAIN DOESN’T WANT TO ANSWER:
By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor"
You are not that smart, are you Ralph? Duff is the senior editor of the rag you referred us to, who writes anti-Israel articles on the rag you referred us to.
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 7:59PM
Well, CJW, I qualified my reference to that site, but what do his "anti-Israel" articles have to do with anything?
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 8:02PM
My links were merely to sites where people have been raising questions. Maybe they're spurious. Actually, I hope so. But, occasionally, the behavior of John McCain gives me cause to wonder.
CJW| 11.30.12 @ 8:02PM
"Jesuit Rule of America: Martial Law
The Immediate Goal Of The Jesuits: Declare Martial Law In The United States
by William Dean A. Garner"
Another interesting article from Ralph's site.
CJW| 11.30.12 @ 8:07PM
Another article from Ralph's suggested site:
"US at UN – An Act of Infamy
by Sami Jamil Jadallah
One more time an American administration shamed America and shamed the American people (minus the Jewish leadership and community) and proved itself a client/vassal state of Israel, and that it is not sovereign state when it comes to the Middle East, occupied as Gaza, the West Bank and the Golan Heights. "
We could go on, but why bother. Adios, Ralph.
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 8:12PM
Well, you ain't a "we," pal. You're pretty much on your own here. But yeah ... I'd stand by the assertions of that particular article.
Byeeeeeeeeee!
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 8:09PM
Really?
That's news to me.
spike59| 12.3.12 @ 6:19AM
ralphie, ralphie, ralphie...wearing the widdle tinfoil hat, are ya????? why am i NOT surprised that a mental and moral midget such as yourself would be hiding out on whackadoodle websites?
Purp| 11.30.12 @ 8:57PM
Don't worry, Ralph ... he's an ignorant ass that has no arguments, just a copy/paste button.
It's soooo 8th grade of him ... about right for his mental prowess.
CJW| 11.30.12 @ 10:56PM
Purp the Village Idiot posted the following after the elections:
"Purp| 11.8.12 @ 10:35AM
"The Lord rules, not Obama." - CORRECT!
The Lord works in mysterious ways... and this is something for the faithful to contemplate in the way the see the world:
Hurricane Sandy and Chris Christie was the Lord's way of pressing his thumb on the scale to tilt in the direction of President Obama. It was His punishment of Republicans for their lying and trying to cheat (Voter Suppression) their way to political victory, while espousing faith, freedom and constitutional credentials."
So purpie believes God killed over 100 persons and destroyed millions of dollars of property to help Obama win.
In Sept Purpie wrote that Amassador Stevens was at fault and caused his death.
Purpie also wrote that the unborn are biological entities not deserving of protection until God allows them to be born. (What does this mean?)
Purpie represents the Loon Left that should be mocked and ridiculed, and not engaged in conversation
Ralph Novy| 12.1.12 @ 12:06AM
And yet you continue to try to engage him in conversation, CJW.
What is one to make of THAT, eh?
If I were a Freudian analyst ....
LMAO.
Purp| 12.1.12 @ 9:10AM
CJ Poop:
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf
Tax Laws you stupid fool ....
Churches are not allowed to lobby, campaign or support politicians or political positions. Period.
Maybe you should stick to copy/pasting!
God you're dumb.
CJW| 12.1.12 @ 12:50PM
Purp the Village Idiot
What section prohibits a Catholic hospital from closing? Give us the exact citation that prevents a Catholic hospital from closing. Can't do it.
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 3:17PM
Actually, he says it to ALL THE BOYS.
Joellen| 11.30.12 @ 4:28PM
Goldwater Girl - so funny, yet I would imagine so untrue - he's one of those "guys" that you could slap down like a gnat.
Purp| 11.30.12 @ 8:59PM
I thought that was the Conservadum view of rape? Lay back and enjoy it .... Todd Akin, Richard Murdoch and the House of Rapresentatives ... !
spike59| 12.3.12 @ 6:20AM
"you might want to put some ice on that"
-serial rapist and proud ProgLibDem Bill Clnton
spike59| 12.3.12 @ 6:15AM
"Purp says that to all the prepubescent boys!"
there, Goldwater Girl, i fixed it for ya
cicero| 11.30.12 @ 2:55PM
The more things change . . . In the beginning of the first century B.C., the Romans enjoyed a republican form of government. They then elected a couple of populists to the consulship - the brothers Gracchi. They ran on a platform of redistribution of wealth and roegiveness of debt. Sound familiar yet?) When all hell broke loose, and the economy was pretty well ruined, the Great Julius Ceasar rode into town with the plunder from the proviinces.
Our fearless leader ran on a policy of redistribution of wealth, is proposing the foregiveness of student debt (see percentage of students who voted for him), and is in the process of plundering the country to pay for it.
Upon election, Julius Ceasar declared himself counsul for life. That was the end of the Republic.
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 3:18PM
Contest at Wednesday's Story - "The Honourable Backstop".
chuckbryant| 11.30.12 @ 3:30PM
The IPAB is not a "rationing board"
Occam's Tool| 11.30.12 @ 6:26PM
Actually, it (IPAB) will be, as NICE is, in practice if not in fact, as NICE is. Please put up someone who can debate me on this who has actually BEEN A SENIOR MEDICAL CONSULTANT WORKING IN AN NHS, AS I HAVE BEEN.
TLP| 11.30.12 @ 7:21PM
He's right.
It's not a Rationing Board.
It's a Death Panel, which he'll find out, soon enough.
Purp| 11.30.12 @ 9:00PM
NO different than 50 State Regulatory Boards ... so stop whining about it.
Occam's Tool| 12.3.12 @ 9:20PM
Considerably different, Purp. Considerably so. But I tire of discussing the niceties of NICE with you. I just look forward to lowering the boom.
Occam's Tool| 12.3.12 @ 9:24PM
Well. No senior medical consultants in an NHS. As we used to say in my debate competitions, "pull that through." Unanswerable.
I simply ask these clowns to look up what NICE is and what it does, as IPAB was modelled after NICE by a man who admires NICE. (National Institute of Clinical Excellence, an Owellian UK term.)
JD| 11.30.12 @ 3:37PM
This article is simply wrong. ObamaCare will remain because nothing - not the Constitution nor justice nor fairness nor any other form of right - trumps the will of the misguided majority in America anymore. The Supreme Court bows to PR just like everything else.
McCain-Feingold died not simply because it had foes, but because it had no significant support left at the time of its death. ObamaCare will not similarly lose support in the foreseeable future. Democrats will work very hard to portray all good things in health care as benefits of ObamaCare, and to cast all that is wrong as consequences of the evil private sector. And we know they control the media.
chuckbryant| 11.30.12 @ 3:44PM
Too bad you don't know that private sector health insurance companies are the biggest beneficiaries of ObamaCare. While they are now limited to skimming only 20% off the top of the cost of healthcare, they will have millions more customers starting in 2014. And they still make campaign donations to legislators of both parties.
Russel| 11.30.12 @ 9:11PM
There will be NO private insurance co's , dolt . Why don't you and the other dolts who waste time here just start your own site . ANNOY is the second paragraph in the socialists manifesto .
chuckbryant| 12.1.12 @ 12:00PM
Private insurance companies spent millions lobbying to pass ObamaCare
Private insurance company stocks continue to rise every time ObamaCare reaches a new milestone
Go ahead and pretend that means they are going away.
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 5:11PM
"Are the legal foes of Obamacare as numerous and determined as those of McCain-Feingold? The answer to that question is an unequivocal YES."
Hmm. You know, as far as numbers of putative plaintiffs are concerned, that's probably true, since you said "legal foes."
But if you take political considerations into account, NO, "they" are not going to be as "determined," because repeal of quite a number of the ACA provisions is quite unpopular.
So yes, I would expect people in the pockets of the American health-care industry to "chip away at" lots of ACA provisions, but no, I would not expect them to be significantly successful at eviscerating the law, as they would wish to be.
Purp| 11.30.12 @ 9:02PM
The more the Conservadums attack Obamacare, the more Single-Payer will be more likely.
They are so good at creating what they don't want. Conservadums is so appropriate.
Ralph Novy| 11.30.12 @ 9:28PM
HOPE that's true, Purp.
Cheers.
CJW| 11.30.12 @ 10:58PM
Another article from Ralph's suggested site:
"US at UN – An Act of Infamy
by Sami Jamil Jadallah
One more time an American administration shamed America and shamed the American people (minus the Jewish leadership and community) and proved itself a client/vassal state of Israel, and that it is not sovereign state when it comes to the Middle East, occupied as Gaza, the West Bank and the Golan Heights. "
Purp| 12.1.12 @ 9:11AM
What's your point?
Do you prefer Israel over America?
CJW| 12.1.12 @ 12:57PM
Purpie the Village Idiot
So you and alter ego see the Jews and Jesuits controlling the USA from the rag site you referenced?
You are Ralphie right Purpie?
Occam's Tool| 12.3.12 @ 9:21PM
No. But I prefer Israel over sharia advocates. And so should Ralph, if he has any sense.
CJW| 11.30.12 @ 10:57PM
Purp the Village Idiot posted the following after the elections:
"Purp| 11.8.12 @ 10:35AM
"The Lord rules, not Obama." - CORRECT!
The Lord works in mysterious ways... and this is something for the faithful to contemplate in the way the see the world:
Hurricane Sandy and Chris Christie was the Lord's way of pressing his thumb on the scale to tilt in the direction of President Obama. It was His punishment of Republicans for their lying and trying to cheat (Voter Suppression) their way to political victory, while espousing faith, freedom and constitutional credentials."
So purpie believes God killed over 100 persons and destroyed millions of dollars of property to help Obama win.
In Sept Purpie wrote that Amassador Stevens was at fault and caused his death.
Purpie also wrote that the unborn are biological entities not deserving of protection until God allows them to be born. (What does this mean?)
Purpie represents the Loon Left that should be mocked and ridiculed, and not engaged in conversation
Cats1cowboy| 11.30.12 @ 9:16PM
Obamacare was "deemed" to be passed instead of voted for, was not read by the "Honorable" Senators, was rammed through in the wee hours of the morning with much arm-twisting and bribes, has over 1000 waivers bestowed on Obama supporters and really, really does have death panels. Which part of KMA doesn't anyone in Congress or the Judicial System understand?
Purp| 12.1.12 @ 11:05AM
Unless you belong to a union with a collective voice, you will be ignored. That's why. You are irrelevant more now than before the election.
The majority disagrees with you, and that's it - you lose. Get over it, FFS.
Purp| 12.1.12 @ 9:14AM
The Conservadum view of rape?
It's Legitimate, Forcible, Enjoyable - God will Bless you with a Rape Child!
Lay back and enjoy it .... It's God's Will!
Todd Akin, Richard Murdoch and the House of RAPEpresentatives ... !
CJW| 12.1.12 @ 12:55PM
Purpie the Village Idiot's view of the unborn child:
"Purp| 11.7.12 @ 1:16PM
The unborn have no rights - they are biological entities until God allows them to be born."
spike59| 12.3.12 @ 6:28AM
The Liberal view of rape?
"you might want to put some ice on that"
-serial rapist and proud ProgLibDem, Bill Clinton
The Liberal view of child molestation?
"well, it wasn't rape-rape"
-proud ProgLibDem Whoopi Goldberg, defending child rapist Roman Polanski
"is, was, and will continue to be brilliant"
-proud ProgLibDem Henry Winkler, defending child molester Kevin "Elmo sez touch me there" Clash
Beppo| 12.1.12 @ 10:43AM
Wasn't this the guy who predicted Obamacare would never pass in congress; then it would be thrown out by the supreme court; then Obama would be defeated and Romney would repeal it? Hope springs eternal in the human breast I suppose but Obamacare is here to stay. I think it took something like 8 years before all the states finally accepted Medicare/Medicaid but they all did. If Republican governors want to harm their own residents that's their choice but it won't be sustainable and in the meantime Republicans at the state level are just going damage themselves.
Pete Esq| 12.1.12 @ 1:13PM
Last time I checked, Barack Obama was elected twice while promising to reform health insurance. He was re-elected after he accomplished it. Did it ever occur to people here that the battle has been lost?
Apparently not. Instead of trying to tweak the program and make it better, you all are holding onto the hope that it can be killed in its entirety. Well, the American people did not vote for that. It is time to wake up and to propose ways to make the Act better.
The whining and carping and hair-brained scheming is just one step above a Judson Phillips' style Tea Party idiocy about somehow denying Obama a victory in the Electoral College. Let's not sink toward complete silliness. Let's propose realistic alternatives.
CJW| 12.1.12 @ 1:31PM
What are you realistic alternatives?
Albert Constantine Jr.| 12.1.12 @ 2:48PM
Actually, I believe this article is about a realistic alternative. Similarly, I believe it can be challenged that the Affordable Care Act is health insurance reform.
The American People didn't vote for Obama Care, a previous Congress did, and the subsequent election changed that Congress significantly as a result. Did the Democrats give that up, then?
The American People voted for both Obama and the Republican Congress. As such, each gets a chance to do what they were elected or re-elected to do, not just Obama.
Pete Esq| 12.1.12 @ 9:27PM
No, the American people voted for Obama, for a Democratic Senate and a Republican House. The Dems picked up seats in both the House and the Senate. It is time to accept the fact that there has been a law passed that people actually wanted large parts of, even though they were ignorant of how it would have to be accomplished. The bloody mandate was proposed by the Heritage Foundation years ago because if you are going to eliminate exclusions for pre-existing conditions, then you simply MUST have everyone in the insurance pool, or people would wait to buy insurance upon becoming ill. That would be disastrous for everyone. I have faith that the citizenry is smart enough to understand why it is necessary if it was explained, instead of being misled by charlatans telling them it is the government trying to control them for its own ends. It is not, it is a necessary part of any reform that eliminates pre-existing conditions exclusions.
If we don't like part of the law, let's work to make it better for everyone. That would be the rational and dare I say, patriotic thing to do.
HenryMiller| 12.1.12 @ 2:50PM
What the Court basically did was rule that the individual mandate constituted a tax. What it did not do was rule as to whether that tax itself is Constitutional--it can't do that until the tax is actually levied in 2014. The moment that happens, it's just about certain that that question will be put before the Court and my guess is it will be found to be unconstitutional. It's long been held that while Congress has the power to tax, it doesn't have the power to tax for any purpose it pleases.
My guess is that John Roberts is doing it this way just to avoid having to rule on Tenth Amendment grounds--that would be a huge, bloody, fight--so he found a work-around more limited in scope.
chuckbryant| 12.1.12 @ 9:09PM
You need to read the court's ruling again.
devan95| 12.1.12 @ 11:33PM
Since the "tax" didn't originate in the House, Roberts could have struck it down on that basis alone...if he wanted to. This abomination will die of neglect because the people will simply refuse to submit/comply. Ever hear of Prohibition?! Thousands of people refuse to buy car insurance so do you think 25 year olds are going to fork over thousands of dollars for health insurance whicH they need a heck of a lot less..? Come on, man!
chuckbryant| 12.2.12 @ 12:25AM
HR 3590 is the bill that became ObamaCare
The H stands for House,
That's where it originated.
Rhoetus| 12.1.12 @ 10:17PM
McCain is Senator Asterisk and will be forgotten as soon as he leaves office.
devan95| 12.1.12 @ 11:26PM
Regardless of what the courts do the people will not comply with this assault on their freedom. Exhibit A: Prohibition. Let's hope it doesn't get to the point where there are medical "speakeasies" controlled by the mafia before this abomination is repealed. Jack Webb, call your precinct....!
chuckbryant| 12.2.12 @ 1:53AM
How do you get speakeasies and prohibition out of :
"I can take personal responsibility by buying insurance for my eventual inevitable health care costs , and the insurance company can't refuse me. If I'm poor, I can even get a subsidy" ?
Occam's Tool| 12.3.12 @ 9:25PM
So, Ralph, you support Hamas over Israel? And you are gay? Interesting.
Bob From District 9| 12.7.12 @ 11:37PM
So, Mr Catron, your philosophy is, it's better people die than the government lift a finger to help them.
Please, don't even try to tell me you are pro-life.
billstanley | 12.8.12 @ 11:27AM
The "Origination Clause" in the U.S. Constitution (Article I, Section 7) requires that taxes be initiated in the House. The Senate took a House bill dealing with veterans and deleted the title and all text, leaving only the bill's number. ObamaCare was then inserted. The Supreme Court characterized the penalties in ObamaCare as federal taxes, but was not asked and did not address the issue of which body of Congress initiated the taxes. The Pacific Legal Foundation has filed a suit (U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia) challenging ObamaCare on this issue. newsandopinions dot net
owend| 12.8.12 @ 11:44AM
Thank you David for this telling article. This is information that all of us opposed to the so called Obamacare act need to know and yet the information and updates on these cases is hard to find.