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Twinkicide: Death By Liberalism

By on 11.20.12 @ 6:09AM

Hostess Bakers union, Newsweek editors and the liberal lemming phenomenon.

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Do the names “Waterloo” and “St. Helena” ring a bell?

What to make of this lemming-like phenomenon?

Let’s start with the bakers.

Our friends at the Wall Street Journal have laid out the basics.

  • A strike by one of a dozen Hostess unions, the Bakers, Confectionary, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union.
  • Hostess had “sales of $2.5 billion in 2011 but lost $341 million and lacked the cash flow” to survive a strike.
  • One of the reasons for this was “a labor-rule burden that by comparison makes Detroit look like Hong Kong.”
  • ·Hostess had $52 million in workers’ comp claims in 2011, per an earlier bankruptcy filing.
  • ·Hostess had 372 collective bargaining agreements “to maintain 80 different health and benefit plans, 40 pension plans and mandated a $31 million increase in wages and other benefits from backrooms to shelves.”
  • Union rules forbade cake and bread products from being delivered to a store in one truck. There had to be two — one for cake, one for bread. “Drivers weren’t allowed to load their own vehicles, and the workers who loaded bread weren’t allowed to load cake.”

There’s more but you get the picture.

When the company said they could do no more, especially after two bankruptcies induced by all of this, the union refused to accept the latest offer. (Note: Last night, a federal bankruptcy judge ordered both parties into mediation.)

Result? Twinkicide. Death by liberalism. Some 18,500 employees are now out of a job. Yes the brand has value, and someone else may pick it up. Small consolation to the abruptly unemployed.

Then there’s Newsweek. Folding (so to speak) after 80 years. Yes, it will be online, but no more print version.

Once owned by the Washington Post, the magazine had so hemorrhaged readership — and as a result advertisers — that the Post wound up selling it for a dollar. You read that right — a single dollar bill.

What happened to Newsweek? Doubtless 21st century technology took a toll. But there was something else. A big something else.

Newsweek — ironically founded by a former reporter for Time — was ostensibly begun with the goal of publishing the news and some commentary or analysis to go along with it. Eighty years ago, like all manner of other publications of the day, if it ran a news story it was a straight news story. A “just the facts” kind of news story. With the commentary or analysis elsewhere.

But as with its cronies elsewhere in the world of mainstream journalism, by the 1960s Newsweek had begun to change.

There are two eerily similar incidents that have been discussed before in this space which will serve to illustrate, both involving popular liberal Democrats in the White House.

Incident One centered around President John F. Kennedy, and one of his close friends, Ben Bradlee — the latter then the Washington bureau chief for Newsweek. Long story short, a year after JFK’s death Bradlee’s sister-in-law, Mary Pinchot Meyer, was mysteriously found murdered on a canal towpath in Washington. Bradlee and his horrified then-wife Toni went to Meyer’s Georgetown residence only to find a CIA agent — a high ranking CIA agent named James Jesus Angleton — scouring Meyer’s living quarters, having staged a break-in. Confronted, he left. And came back later to Meyer’s studio — again to be discovered (in the act of picking the lock) and depart. Eventually Bradlee and his wife located what was being sought. Meyer’s diary. Bradlee and wife found the diary and read it. To Bradlee’s shock it turned out his separated sister-in-law, herself married to a senior CIA official, had been having a secret affair with JFK. The whole tale was in the diary, including revelations that Meyer and her presidential lover had been smoking pot — in the White House.

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About the Author

Jeffrey Lord is a former Reagan White House political director and author. He writes from Pennsylvania at jlpa1@aol.com.

Letter to the Editor View all comments (199) |

Pecos Pete| 11.20.12 @ 6:39AM

Death by liberalism. So? This ain't news.

TLP| 11.20.12 @ 8:59AM

Think how funny this would be, if it wasn't so sad.

Twinkies are gone.

NEXT!

And, when I say that this is Sad, I'm not really making a Commentary on the Cold Blooded Murder of Twinkie the Kid. I'm referring to the Fact that Hostess is just the latest, on o Long List of Death by Liberal Asphixiation.

How long have I been listing my PROOF that Liberalism is a Mental Disorder? The study finding 20% of Americans suffer with a Mental Disorder. Gallup lists 20% of Registered Voters as Self Identified Liberals. And, for the 2nd Election in a Row, the Guy who will not rest until there's No Chicken in anybody's Pot (But you will be able to Get some Pot) got the Votes of 20% of the Population.

Where is the Study on the Outbreak of Mass Insanity that always seems to kick in once the Liberalism Disorder has taken hold? How is it, that these Unions are so Fck Up in the head, when it comes to Going On Strike at the Stupidest Time?

Pan Am
Eastern
Western
TWA
Piedmont
Braniff
PeoplExpress
PanAm
Varig (almost gone)
BOAC
British Midland
British Caledonian
Canadian
Pacific Southwest
Swissair
Smothered in their Cribs by "The Boyfriend" while they were in Bankruptcy, or just about to go there.

Somebody dig up Einstein, and ask him his Definition of Insanity, again.

Moe Blotz| 11.20.12 @ 9:12AM

BOAC changed the name to British Air.

TLP| 11.20.12 @ 9:19AM

Pontiac is gone. PONTIAC!

Plymouth is gone. Oldsmobile is gone, and the ones that are left are STILL LOSING MONEY on every Car they sell in this Country.

There used to be a Garment District, in NYC. A Real One, not just a coupla Sidewalks where Mexicans push Racks of Pakistani Made Dresses to some Warehouse.

Is there such a thing as an American Made Television?

Does anyone make their Cell Phones, here? Their Tablets? What about their Electric Toothbrushes?

Toys? Appliances? Have you checked the Labels on your FOOD at the Supermarket?

Blankets? Pens? Pencils? Thingamajigs, and Whatchamacallits?

Every Industry that once Thrived in this Country, has been Run Out by the Hoffas, and the Sweeneys, and that POS Trumpka.

Steve Jobs, when asked why he makes all of his stuff in China, replied that: If he had his iPhones made here? He would need to sell them for $3,000 EACH, as opposed to $300.

I wouldn't worry about stuffing your face with Twinkies. I'm sure that that Fat Mexican Billionaire will probably Gobble Up the Company, and start making them down in Mexico, unfettered from the Organized Crime Shakedown from Obama's Crime Family Thugs.

Hostess is gone.

NEXT!

cowgirl| 11.20.12 @ 10:31AM

Next is California. Hooray!!! It was reported in the Daily Telegraph today (note that it has been reported in the USA yet) that California has the highest poverty rate in the US - 23.5% Higher than DC and Florida. Yes ladies and gentlemen, the most liberal, bluest state of them all has the highest poverty rate.

Sign of mental illness: You keep doing the same thing over and over again with the same results.
California is the next big thing that liberals and unions will finish off.

sickofit5| 11.20.12 @ 11:42AM

The problem with calif. cowgirl is that the rats will abandon ship and go to the solvent states and then start over with their liberal takeover. They are coming to Texas in droves and since they are diseased they will look around and think they are smarter than everyone else and start their crap here.

vtwin| 11.20.12 @ 1:29PM

According to the United States Census Bureau the top ten states ranked by poverty rate are:

1. Texas 17.9%
2. West Virginia 18.1%
3. South Carolina 18.2%
4. Louisiana 18.7%
5. Arkansas 18.8%
6. Kentucky 19.0%
7. Alabama 19.0%
8. District of Columbia 19.2%
9. New Mexico 20.4%
10. Mississippi 22.4%

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/

But don't let the facts get in the way of your ideology.

GobBluthe| 11.20.12 @ 3:09PM

UPDATE:

The census bureau just adjusted the way poverty is calculated (takes into account costs of gasoline and food) and yes indeed CA has the highest poverty rate, higher than MS. Maybe you should keep up with the news, Mr Leftist twerp. Ill even link you to the Huffington post you moron

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....32920.html

TLP| 11.20.12 @ 4:12PM

And, they're probably ALL BLACK DEMOCRATS.

derekcrane | 11.20.12 @ 6:50PM

Each of these states, except for West Virginia, have a large percentage of minorities, illegal aliens and Native Americans -- all prone to poverty.

Von Mises Jr| 11.20.12 @ 11:00AM

You forgot the biggest union debacle of all, my friend TLP: Public Employee Unions.
It is touted to be some trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities. For Perp, that means that they don't have the freaking money, Caliban. Your EBT card comes long after most of the pension obligations that are about to bankrupt CA, IL and other liberal states with histories of corrupt politicians and greedy liberals whom want something for nothing.
Because I am a good Christian, Perp, I am going to give you some advice. Find a union garbage man as your significant other. It is called insurance.

mike 3/505| 11.20.12 @ 11:23AM

"Your EBT card comes long after most of the pension obligations that are about to bankrupt CA, IL and other liberal states"

Legally true perhaps....but much like the GM Bankruptcy, the Sate of California and the Feds will reverse that. They will pay the EBT before the earned benefits. President Obama is already trying that with Military TRICARE for retirees. he wants to means test it and use the savings to partially fund OBAMACARE. Typical Liberal/Statist reaction...take from the producers their rightful property, in order to appease the moochers.

Occam's Tool| 11.20.12 @ 6:03PM

Mike 3/505, Obama has been trying to take earned healthcare benefits away from Veterans since the start of his administration---trying to get VA benefits paid for by private insurance.

Despicable. Leaving California in 1993, the day after I finished my residency training, was the 3rd best decision of my life. (2nd best: marrying my wife. Best: adopting my kids---3rd best made 2nd best possible, 2nd best made best possible)

Northern Alabama is a much more civilized place to practice medicine in than California---NONE of my psychiatric patients in rural Alabama were homeless. NOT ONE. Even the ones on Disability and Medicaid. I trained at UCLA. SoCal is a MUCH more cruel and brutal place to be mentally ill than rural Alabama.

So much for Liberal compassion.

TLP| 11.20.12 @ 6:45PM

I can't get my VA Benefits, because, unlike Warren Buffet's Social Security Checks, my Veteran Benefits are MEANS TESTED.

Because MY WIFE makes a certain amount of money, I can't get the Benefits that I was PROMISED, for giving Four Years of My Life SERVING this Country.

WTF is that?!

TLP| 11.20.12 @ 1:21PM

You really need to come to The Contest.

You're a Natural.

As far as the Public Employee Unions go?

They will, ultimately, be crushed under their own weight.

Like I keep saying: Let President Strangelove have Everything He Wants. Get outta the way. Give the people what they want.

The Sooner we get to the Inevitable.

The Sooner we can start to turn this thing around.

Until every one of these Obama Voters is Eating out of a Staten Island Dumpster?

Nothing is gonna change.

I did Cocaine for 25 Years.

Right up until I was eating outta that Dumpster.

(Metaphorically, of course)

Al Adab| 11.20.12 @ 4:31PM

Actually this is a win-win for The Left. They get Twinkies (which they dispise) off the market and get to blame "Big Business" and their GOP allies for the loss of jobs. Great strategic victory. If the GOP ever got this smart they might start winning elections.

BTW they are also pursuing this same strategy in the energy sector. Fracking, coal fired plants, etc. They are using the EPA to punish States which disagree with the command policies.

TLP| 11.20.12 @ 6:46PM

SIEG HEIL!

Dwilhelms| 11.20.12 @ 7:58PM

"The sooner we can start to turn this thing around" is a refrain I heard over and over and over again this fall from the GOP/Tea Party/Right Wing.

How'd that work out for you?

Dwilhelms| 11.20.12 @ 7:43PM

My new favorite number is 332. So how does it feel, fellow dinosaurs?

The time of the old white man has passsed. How will you shape your eulogy? Will you go down with the shrill kinds of illogical swill as entered above? Will be you be graceful and accept the new reality, forging the kinds of partnerships and influences that will mark you as a group of forward-looking individuals who willingly and happily bequeath the future to its stewards?

Naw, I thought not. You'll keep clutching to your conspiracy theories, tri-cornered hats, and other quaint notions until you die.

Joellen| 11.20.12 @ 6:57AM

The good news, I just heard on Fox News that Walmart is fighting back against the union who orchastrated the Black Friday walk out by the workers. WalMart is not going to fold (like the UNREAD Newsweek); WalMart who the left despises, because they refuse to play ball with the evil union (and yet Hillary sat on the board - dont understand how that came about, but I digress). So, let me do an Obama Shout out to Walmart for its bravery and determination to stay operating in a country that has gone crazy.

Moe Blotz| 11.20.12 @ 9:13AM

Orchastrated: Do you mean the union was planning to cut the balls off Walmart's Black Friday sales?

derekcrane | 11.20.12 @ 6:56PM

Walmart will close a store before it is unionized as they did in Canada. They realize that unions are a cancer that will slowly kill a company as evidenced by the steel, auto, publishing and hundreds of other businesses.

spike59| 11.26.12 @ 6:21AM

Orchastrated: Do you mean the union was planning to cut the balls off Walmart's Black Friday sales?

------------------------
in a word, YES

but, how well did it work?

in a word, FAIL

Dwilhelms| 11.20.12 @ 7:44PM

Oh, yeah, since the source of the Right Wing Echo Chamber sez so, it must be true.

Von Mises Jr| 11.20.12 @ 7:56AM

Liberalism (socialism) is the West's version of Sharia Law.
Not to worry since the editors, bakers, Protestant leaders and public school teachers all have 72 virgins waiting for them in Paradise.
Just ask any liberal and they will tell you how superior and virtuous they are.

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 8:24AM

Still pushing the losing philosophy I see! Dismissing, degrading and disrespecting Americans is a great way to win.
Until you change your rotten view of Americans, you will never win another election.

C. Vernon Crisler | 11.20.12 @ 8:30AM

This is the problem conservatives face, just as Jeffrey has outlined. Liberals simply do not care about consequences. So what if someone loses their job? So what if someone gets condemned in a show trial? So what if millions are sent to reeducation camps. So what if millions die as a result of scorched earth policies? So what if millions die as a result of Stalinist policies? That's the answer of the left: So what? And that's Purp's basic answer. So what? We won the election. Consequencs be damned.

Von Mises Jr| 11.20.12 @ 8:46AM

Until his EBT Card fails at the 7-Eleven. You not only need to be blind to be a liberal. You need to be delusional and corrupt.
Perhaps Caliban is crashing from a binge or his brain riddled with AIDS. Perhaps if our troll could refrain from smoking meth for a few days, he could write a book on Philosophy. We have a freaking Aristotle in our midst if he could just stay clean for a few weeks.
I, like Caliban, do not intend to lick Prospero’s boot for a free meal. But then some people have pride and talent.

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 10:37AM

VM is scraping the bottom trying to find a way to disrespect, dismiss or degrade me. Sorry, I am not your stereotype of the liberal left. There is Conservative/Republican Trash, White trash even, just as there is Liberal/Democrat trash. But they are not the norm, and YOU KNOW IT.
I easily could go to the $15000/plate dinners and do give generously to political types I like.
I have made my own way in life, with my own substantial income - but VM, you simply cannot fathom someone at that station in life not being a Conservative, or a Republican, irritated by taxes and believing the government to be thieves in your pocket, can you? You cannot believe a guy who's made it could appreciate a strong Federal Government, or government in general, and look back at ways I was helped and so want that help for my descendants payed forward, can you? Government is not the problem. Government is us.

JD| 11.20.12 @ 11:58AM

And "us" is the problem. Too many of "us" vote liberal.

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 5:04PM

Only to you ... :-)

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 10:38AM

Part II - Ronald Reagan was completely wrong, and anyone who really knew how this country was built knows it was a combination of capitalism and government industrial policy. Hell, if Thomas Jefferson had his way, as much as I look up to him for his ideals, we'd be an Agrarian society with as much power or influence in the world as say, Mongolia does now. (not to pick on Mongolia)

Your philosophy of individualism above all else is why we crashed in 1929 resulting in the Great Depression, and why, again, we crashed in 2008 resulting in the Great Recession. We are a community of individuals, but not isolated islands, needing no concern for others.
None of Von Mises, Hayek's or Schumpter's philosophies have ever worked or for that matter even been implemented, so I wonder how long you'll keep preaching the same sorry sermon?
You don't intend to lick the boot, but you do unintentionally by your obtuseness.

C. Vernon Crisler | 11.20.12 @ 3:08PM

Hoover was a Progressive, not an individualist. The Great Depression was the economy's revenge on Progressivism.

Al Adab| 11.20.12 @ 4:33PM

True indeed sir. Read the recently published magnum opus which is Hoovers' memoir. Fascinating insights.

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 5:05PM

What a ridiculous statement, any author notwithstanding.

derekcrane | 11.20.12 @ 7:05PM

Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea and Taiwan experienced high growth for decades incorporating the market philosophies of Hayek, von Mises and Schumpeter. They have slowed recently as they have toyed with European socialism, the slow death of any country.

derekcrane | 11.20.12 @ 7:05PM

Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea and Taiwan experienced high growth for decades incorporating the market philosophies of Hayek, von Mises and Schumpeter. They have slowed recently as they have toyed with European socialism, the slow death of any country.

Dwilhelms| 11.20.12 @ 7:57PM

And you know about an "EBT card" how? Personal experience, perhaps?

pogybait| 11.20.12 @ 9:31AM

Boys, you just don't appreciate the fine art of social engineering....forward

sickofit5| 11.20.12 @ 11:44AM

Take a look at George Bernard Shaw and his little movies about social engineering. Maybe it will happen to one of your kids that don't fit in.

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 10:23AM

What a pile of tripe. Pile all the ills of the world on a liberal philosophy and all it shows is your archaic, narrow-minded attitude in a complex world looking for broad solutions.
Blaming the workers for management's failures is typical of the right wing. Blame the campaign workers, why don't you? It's the same thing. Don't blame Mitty or Karl. THEY have nothing to do with the failure to beat the African-American President, in a bad economy, with the wind at their back. And unions had nothing to do with the failures on the right, now did they?

Stan Redmond| 11.20.12 @ 1:30PM

Hostess management is responsible for it's demise? Please. Management was paralysed by stupid union rules placed on them. Do you really think management wanted to keep twinkies isolated from wonderbread on identical truck routes? The entire problem with unions is management can't manage. The unions are worse then a parasite on businesses. They exist to kill business and fill union bank accounts. When the union workers get canned as a result of union policies. It is not management's responsibility to run a business for the benefit of a union or workers. You brag so much about your wealth but I find it hard to believe you had any success with your belief in marxist philosophy.

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 5:11PM

"It is not management's responsibility to run a business for the benefit of a union or workers." - anyone with any idea on how to run a business knows that along with customers and capital (investors), employees and their representatives are critical to success. You cannot run a business without all 3 working well toward your business goals. If you fail on any one of the 3, you are dead.
Hostess management failed. It's that simple.
Don't blame the people on the bottom doing their jobs. That's the rich man's stance.

Stan Redmond| 11.21.12 @ 4:53PM

Again, the whole point of a union is to ensure management can not manage. How can management run a company when workers go on strike? They can't. It's nothing more than a shakedown and the union cost the 18,500 jobs they will lose.

TLP| 11.20.12 @ 1:36PM

Let's do that.

Let's look at the world.

Europe is in Freefall. Their Soviet Union Lite Economic Policies, have fulfilled Margaret Thatchers prophetic words that "The problem with Socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY.

The Soviet Union is in History's Ash Heap. Cuba is fast approaching Haiti Status. The ANC and Robert Mugabe, have Fundamentally Changed the two most Beautiful, Prosperous Nations on the African Continent, into Detroit.

Everything your little Girl/Boy Heart desires, can only "Work" under a North Korean Political Structure.

Where, of course, you will be at The Top of their Kill List, as it seems - Boys who like Boys, never seem to Last Long, in the Utopian World of the Worker's Paradise.

derekcrane | 11.20.12 @ 7:07PM

So, I guess the rumors of Detroit's demise is merely right-wing propaganda?

Von Mises Jr| 11.20.12 @ 11:04AM

Hey Vern.....Are we having a problem with mosquitoes today?

Bob Grant| 11.20.12 @ 9:18AM

Hey Purp,

Instead of giving us your mindless daily snark, how about a nice debate on the article?

I assume you think there is plenty wrong with what Mr. Lord wrote, NO?

"Still pushing the losing philosophy"?....DIDN'T YOU READ THE FRIGGIN' ARTICLE??

Our philosophy, sir, is SANITY!

Tom Kyba| 11.20.12 @ 11:17AM

You're arguing with a child. What do you expect?

Bob Grant| 11.20.12 @ 6:35PM

An easy target is all...

Alej| 11.20.12 @ 9:43AM

Actually, rotten "Americans" are what spoils the view.

Res loquitur ipsa.

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 10:38AM

Yeah, that's inclusive ... still deranged I see.

CJW| 11.20.12 @ 11:05AM

Purp the Village Idiot posted the following after the elections:

"Purp| 11.8.12 @ 10:35AM

"The Lord rules, not Obama." - CORRECT!

The Lord works in mysterious ways... and this is something for the faithful to contemplate in the way the see the world:

Hurricane Sandy and Chris Christie was the Lord's way of pressing his thumb on the scale to tilt in the direction of President Obama. It was His punishment of Republicans for their lying and trying to cheat (Voter Suppression) their way to political victory, while espousing faith, freedom and constitutional credentials."

So purpie believes God killed over 100 persons and destroyed millions of dollars of property to help Obama win.

In Sept Purpie wrote that Amassador Stevens was at fault and caused his death.

Purpie also wrote that the unborn are biological entities not deserving of protection until God allows them to be born. (What does this mean?)

Purpie represents the Loon Left that should be mocked and ridiculed, and not engaged in conversation

Dwilhelms| 11.20.12 @ 7:45PM

Hey, I'm a liberal and I don't claim any more virtue or superiority.

Maxwell| 11.20.12 @ 8:21AM

As I posted a few days ago here on AS, and someone can double check me,Tim Collins, the CEO of Ripplewood Holdings, one of the investment firms behind the Hostess management, donated $200K to Obama's Priorities USA SuperPAC and who's also made significant contributions to various Democrat congressional campaigns and PAC.

The other major investor was GE Capital, another firm who's management been quite supportive of the President and Democrat policies for the most part.

TLP| 11.20.12 @ 9:24AM

These big shots all think that they can BUY OFF the Ideologue, who's Fondest Wish is that, one day, he will line up all of the Successful People in this Country, alongside a Great Long Ditch, and put a Single Bullet in the back of all of their heads.

They always fail to remember that even if you've made arrangements to be The Last One Eaten?

That day WILL come.

And, so it has.

Dwilhelms| 11.20.12 @ 7:47PM

So beat the rush. Put a bullet in your head now. After all, you're not contributing anything anyway.

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 8:22AM

Hostess Company's problems are a result of BAD MANAGEMENT. 85% of all problems at any company trace back to the management, not the workers.
Just as the right has incessantly pushed the meme that cutting taxes = growth, the right incessantly pushes the meme that unions are bad, cause unfairness, and hurt the economy.
The Congressional Research Service has proven the former is a bald-faced lie to support an ideology. There is NO proof that cutting taxes = growth. And don't bother bringing up Reagan - he raised taxes 6 times in 8 years. And the National Debt Ceiling 18 times in 8 years.
Unions are not the problem, they never have been. But they supply the boots on the ground and a large source of political funding that the right has to kill (in their mind) to win elections.
Anyone that knows anything about business know that Management holds all the cards and a single individual has no power to change working conditions, payscales, safety procedures or anything else the management doesn't want to do.
Never mind that vacation, sick pay, pensions, minimum wage, 5 day work week, and so much more directly come from the hard work of unions earlier last century.
Hostess workers are just the scapegoat for Corporate America's failures.
You will continue to lose when you're on the wrong side - taking management's side over the workers is an electoral losing strategy. But keep it up... I like it.

Ryan| 11.20.12 @ 8:43AM

Several items:

Stating Reagan raised taxes is oversimplifying what occurred. Taxes were raised in some areas, cut in others. We also had a MASSIVE tax simplification in 1986.

Unions have also contributed little in the past 30-40 years. All reasonable labor equality gains have been made. ALL. At this point, unions are simply sucking the paycheck of workers and denying the ability of businesses to grow and prosper - which would benefit workers.

Tax cuts allow businesses to make more money, hire more workers, and increase revenue to the government because more people are paying taxes. That's what occurred in the early 1980s, when we saw a massive boom in employment numbers.

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 10:49AM

Reagan started on us on the path to deficit financing. He didn't care about deficits or debt and said so. How's that working out? Enough of the senile old fart. He destroyed this country, but made you think he was doing it a favor. An actor's dream job.
First of all, read the Congressional Research Service's 50 Year report debunking that canard. The Republican Senate Leadership tried to quash it, but here it is for you to finally get the facts and why that is such a fantasy pushed for 30 years by the right. http://www.dpcc.senate.gov/?p=blog&id=193

Second, for all the industries where unions have been dismantled or never were, they have been moved overseas anyway, wages are a fraction of what they were. Unions are not perfect and there were abuses, but my God, have you not heard of abuses in the Corporate world? Does that mean we get rid of all Corporations? Have CEOs not been corrupt? You get rid of the bad players, not the entire system - unless you have a political reason for doing so. Which, of course, is why the right wants unions dismantled and their power to organize and field canvassers during elections destroyed. You'd have to be an idiot not to see that.

Dwilhelms| 11.20.12 @ 7:49PM

You have absolutely no basis to claim that tax cuts allow business to make more money. Without demand, without customers, businesses don't make money.

When will you stop drinking the Supply Side Kool-Aid and see that a balanced approach is what's required?

Solo| 11.21.12 @ 4:01PM

And when the government takes away your capital and spends it on research for the Pacific Marsh Mouse or teaching African men how to wash their genitals....what does that do for market "demand"?

Allowing people to keep more (not less) of the fruits of their labor is what helps the economy and helps the country at large--not this neo-Marxist bullsh*t we currently suffer.

Miles Glorious| 11.20.12 @ 9:08AM

I am sure the 18,00 plus union members are quite happy they now have no jobs.

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 10:55AM

Oh, you mean like the 80,000 Lehman Bros. employees that lost THEIR jobs? Sorry that dog don't hunt. Or how about Enron, WorldCom, and so many others.
There is no outrage over corporate malfeasance, when it costs hundreds or thousands of jobs, is there?
Oh, and let's not forget about BAIN Capital, the king of layoffs and pension killing policies. They made NOTHING but a pile of money picking the bones clean of middling or failing companies. Did you notice how Mitty couldn't, didn't defend or promote his BAIN policies? Wonder why? Hmmm?
Or the Wal-Mart employees that have been fired because they dared to complain about wages, benefits and working conditions at Wal-Mart ?
And, they don't even have a union ...
I presume you're a worker, but when you take the side of management, you've been duped into supporting them. I feel sorry for your inability to align yourself properly. What if it was your son that lost his job? Would you care then?

CJW| 11.20.12 @ 11:32AM

Purp the Village Idiot

I will make an exception and reply to you street lawyer analysis.

If the Wal Mart employees, or any other employees, complain to management about working condidionts and wages, and then get fired, they can file an unfair labor charge with the National Labor Relations Board. It does not matter whether the employees are unionized. The NLRB protects "concerted activity." So if there was, or is substance, to the employees' claim of retaliatory discharges for engaging in protected activity, the NLRB will sue the employer, at no cost to the employee.

Al Adab| 11.20.12 @ 2:56PM

Apparently W, we haven't taught enough of our citizens about the old goose that laid golden eggs. They think they get more by killing it. Delusional.

When Iacoca took over Chrysler in the late 70's he told his unions he had lots of jobs at $17 per hour but none at $21 per hour. They opted for the jobs. It would be an interesting experiment to see that tried these days. Jobs without health care and with market wages versus no jobs with benefits. HMMM.

CJW| 11.20.12 @ 3:53PM

Al Adab
The present day lefty Dems, well represented here, supposedly love jobs but hate employers. As you say their envy, hatred, and plain stupidity blinds them to the reality that employers create jobs. They seem to prefer everyone equally poor and receiving government dole.

We now expect the employer to pay for health insurance because employers have been paying for health insurace. But they did this because of government interference with the free market. During WWII the feds imposed wage and price controls. Unions started negotiating benefits such as health insurance which was not then defined as a wage subject to the controls. Non union employers then also offered health insurance. But the cost of insurace was then low.

We would have been better off receiving higher wages and purchasing our own health insurance, as we do auto, life, and other insurance. We would have shopped around for a policy suited to our needs at the lowest price, as we do with auto insurance. And we would have used the insurance prudently so the premiums would not skyrocket.

Hope you have a happy Thanksgiving.

Al Adab| 11.20.12 @ 4:36PM

Thank you for the sentiment W. I look forward to spending Thursday with the extended family. We are gatherijng at my daughters' home about 20 strong. Here is wishing you the same. Remember to whom our thanks is given.

Solo| 11.21.12 @ 4:46PM

What? No government representatives in attendance?

How can you possibly survive all alone like that?

I jest, of course. That was a little "hat tip" to our resident government boot-licker, Purp.

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!

Dwilhelms| 11.20.12 @ 7:53PM

Wow. Your sense of history is as twisted as your social priorities. "Would have been" is such a hallmark of the present Tea Party/GOP/Right Wing with eyes firmly fixed on the past.

What do you have to offer for the future?

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 5:17PM

Al - An Executive's wet dream you're proposing. As if they care about you or their workers.
How about we say, without the benefits we want and deserve, you have no workers and therefore no company?
Why do you support the people that will fire you?

Al Adab| 11.20.12 @ 5:32PM

Purp:
I do not expect my employer to "care" about me or my family. I expect to show up for work as required and get my paycheck in exchange. Anything else, higher wages or benefits, come as a result of competition between employers for the workers they hire. Workers are always free to look for other employment and to change jobs if it is to their benefit. If the employer no longer can maintain a portion of the workforce for whatever reason, that is a simple function of the free marketplace.

There may be benefits some "want" but there are none which any "deserve". Employers may offer them, but that reflects, as I said, competition for reliable, competent workers. I support those who take the risk to own a business and admire them for their courage in the arena.

Have a great Thanksgiving but do remember to whom it is we offer Thanks.

spike59| 11.27.12 @ 6:13AM

As if they care about you or their workers.
------------------------------------------------
As if the union cares about its members:

http://www.americanthinker.com.....cials.html

Dwilhelms| 11.20.12 @ 7:50PM

See, this is the kind of black-and-white, my-way-or-no-way thinking is what got you thumped on November 6.

Life is more of a shade of gray with lots of choices that can be made together.

GobBluthe| 11.20.12 @ 3:24PM

""There is no outrage over corporate malfeasance, when it costs hundreds or thousands of jobs, is there?""

MMmmm......except Ken Lay was sentenced to prison then died. Top Officers of Worldcom and Enron are currently sitting in prison.

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 5:19PM

Do you know of any in jail for the 2008 debacle which was far worse for our country?

GobBluthe| 11.20.12 @ 5:45PM

Blame that fact on the Obama DOJ

Al Adab| 11.20.12 @ 5:48PM

2008 debacle? I assume you mean the election.

Purp, as I read your comments it becomes ever more clear that your underlying premises are flawed. Again, enjoy your turkey.

Solo| 11.21.12 @ 4:49PM

"Do you know of any in jail for the 2008 debacle which was far worse for our country?"
No. Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter and the rest of the democrats who orchestrated and then prosecuted the "Community Re-investment Act" are still roaming free ready to wreak havoc yet again.

And they will because of dupes like you.

JD| 11.20.12 @ 7:06PM

Funny, there seems to be TONS of outrage. And a lot of it is misdirected at businesses that went out of business when it should be directed at the government entities that sabotaged them.

But good luck getting a leftist demagogue like Purp to consider the possibility that the gospel of Big Business Being Responsible For All Of Our Problems might not be true.

Bob Grant| 11.20.12 @ 9:24AM

Purp,

Then explain, SIR, the mess that is California, Greece, France, Ireland, and Spain.

Sir, they are DESPERATE for revenues because of their spendthrift ways and the Economic Growth Generators are fleeing in droves!

We have countless examples around the World of how liberalism is suicidal.

Don't give me stats from the Congressional Research Service as it's an agenda-driven organization.

You are a fool.

TLP| 11.20.12 @ 9:41AM

Actually, Mr. Stinky Milk Carton.

All of those Countries that you've just listed, ARE, Absolutely, Positively, Without a Doubt.......Perfect examples of what Blood Test Boy wants to pin on Hostess.

They are all the result of BAD MANAGEMENT, administered over the Decades, by an Unending Submersion into Total Liberal Orthodoxy, without end.

California, Detroit, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Camden, Newark, Gary, Flint, Milwaukee. Just to name a few.

Just don't ask Purp.

Cause, in his Addled Brain - Only Whites can be Racists. Only the Jews kill little children on purpose. Only America is to Blame, for everything wrong in the World.

And, only Corporations and Rich Republicans can turn what once was a Bar of Gold, in to a Smoldering Piece of Stinking Sh*t with Corn Kernels and Blood in it.

That sounds like it could make for a Good Prize, come Friday.

Not the Bar of Gold.

The other one.

TLP| 11.20.12 @ 9:44AM

Nice input at the end of The Contest, bye the way.

It was a nice way to rap it all up.

Well Done.

Bob Grant| 11.20.12 @ 10:29AM

No problem, TLP, for it's in my best interest to keep The Best Analogy Game on the Net going!

I will not allow the "Twinkicidization" of TBAGN!

Bob Grant| 11.20.12 @ 10:03AM

May I suggest Candy Crowley's over-used/stretched-to-the-limit Thong as a future prize?

Of course, it will be just one of the many fantastic prizes never sent.

I've yet to receive The Milk Carton. You promised over night delivery?

Over promise, under deliver. That sounds so....Liberal.

Pecos Pete| 11.20.12 @ 10:35AM

Bob, do you remember what is in the carton? It is coming by refrigerated freight.

Bob Grant| 11.20.12 @ 2:14PM

You're right, Pecos.

More than likely it will be delivered by a unionized truck driver, which means I'll get it no earlier than January, if I get it at all.

Minuteman78| 11.20.12 @ 10:46AM

Candy Crowley's thong? I didn't know they made thongs in 3XL. (My brain's gonna need some clorox to get that vision out of my head... *L*)

SUBVET| 11.20.12 @ 11:17AM

Lot's of flour on that thong..............

Bob Grant| 11.20.12 @ 2:18PM

Yes, lots of flour but we should not mistake it for a gigantic onion ring.

TLP| 11.20.12 @ 1:39PM

It's not actually a Thong, per se.

It's more along the lines of a Torn Parachute.

I hope that clears things up a little.

Albert Constantine Jr.| 11.20.12 @ 3:51PM

"May I suggest Candy Crowley's over-used/stretched-to-the-limit Thong as a future prize?"

As we speak, John Kerry is using it to wind surf, while he awaits to report for duty as Secretary of something or other.

TLP| 11.20.12 @ 4:16PM

I thought you were Dead.

Albert Constantine Jr.| 11.20.12 @ 5:22PM

It's an early start at work this week, so my morning start is postponed a bit.

Bob Grant| 11.20.12 @ 6:45PM

It's difficult to decide at what position would he be more of a disaster.

He'd kill the morale of the military, and his version of "smart" (i.e. weak) diplomacy will get us into WWIII.

Perhaps Candy's thong will mysteriously get him into an unfortunate maritime accident far, far out at sea, and, poof, our problem will be solved.

Bob Grant| 11.20.12 @ 10:22AM

"only white's can be racist"

Yet, when one looks at the healthy diversity of thought among "white people", as opposed to the extremely unhealthy monolithic thinking among "black" people, one begins to wonder what group is more prone to racism than the other.

The obvious example would be the need for black congressmen/women to caucus as "blacks", something white congressmen/women don't believe the need to do.

To think that blacks feel the need to group themselves as a separate and distinctive caucus, some 30 years an explosive growth in the number of African Americans entering the middle class AND 50 years after the inspiring Martin Luther King Speech, tells me there's very little growth in diversity of thought among black leadership and the Black Intellectual Community.

And blacks in general do not have a chance when Black Intellectuals haven't changed their thinking ONE BIT the last 50 years.

So, again, TLP, who are the REAL racists in this country?

Perp?

Al Adab| 11.20.12 @ 4:41PM

Such a confusing issue. Iranians are white, aryan actually hence the name of the place; Hispanics are white; East Indians (many also ayran) are white; arabs are white. Well, I have many white friends. Some of my best friends are white.

Do any of us, except those who profit by calling others racist, really care anymore?

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 11:02AM

The CRS is non-partisan, but you would know that if you didn't spend all your time on Fox News.
I have not researched all thos countries to know for sure, but can you explain Germany, Sweden, Switzerland, who are doing just fine and are easily some of the more socialistic leaning countries in the world?
Can you explain Conservative Britain's problem, since they have implemented austerity and are teetering on the brink themselves?
I suspect it has more to do with the worldwide crash in 2008, rather than Liberal or Conservative policies.
Those that were prudent survive well, those who weren't are failing. I doubt it's much more complicated than that.
If you lose your job, and you haven't saved for that possibility, you will have tough time coping. If you did plan properly and saved you will weather the storm fine.
In any case, avoiding the next crash is critical, and Elizabeth Warren on the Banking Committee in the Senate ought to be a prudent and wise decision to help protect us from the charlatan lobbyists that just want to make money at anyone's expense. Dont you see?

JD| 11.20.12 @ 11:57AM

Those countries are doing just fine... just like we are.

As for "non-partisan", the Left must stop believing that it owns the dictionary. Your say-so does not automatically confer truth. Usually, it's the opposite.

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 5:24PM

The Congressional Research Service and the Congressional Budget Office ARE non-partisan. They are true professionals, not like your people apparently are. If you don't like what they publish, that's your problem. That doesn't make it untrue, spin as much as you want.
But facts are facts and you aren't entitled to your own facts, JD.

JD| 11.20.12 @ 5:44PM

You despicable hypocrite. You wouldn't know facts if they smacked you in the face. Your posts here are evidence of exactly that.

You do exactly as I said - declare what you want to be true to be true simply because of your say-so.

Ralphie| 11.20.12 @ 9:25AM

So when a company succeeds, it is the workers and when it fails it is management. Hostess workers should take their assets, talents and start their own company. It is perfectly legal. The UAW basically did that (became owner) only used taxpayer money, low risk investment to return ratio.

I am someone with a business. I know of a few small businesses where a worker of the sticky finger kind sunk the business for everyone employed there. They were workers, trusted with handling money and reports. What about the worker that drives a vehicle during business and is at fault in an accident? A lawsuit can do a lot of damage to a business. You do not seem to truly understand risk. That is what business owners do, assume risk. That is not what bailed out businesses do, like bankers and auto manufacturing.

I don't believe you are in business, or you would be aware of government regulations and requirements of employers irregardless of unions.

A lot of conservatives I know are not happy about this, we like Twinkies. By the way, I believe I read somewhere that conservatives buy more American made cars than liberals.

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 11:08AM

Who said that?
But neither is any good without the other, right?
Yes, I run my own business too. If you know what you're doing, it's not that hard to comply with regulations, file paperwork, etc. That's simply another thing to whine about instead of doing your work and shutting up.
Yes, you assume risk - ergo the corporation structure that removes the risk from you personally. If you haven't incorporated, may I suggest you do. Until then, please make sure you have liability and any other insurance you can get your hands on.
I suspect those businesses that failed due to accidents, lawsuits, etc. were not properly insured. Of course, that costs money, and if you can't pay for insurance, you shouldn't be in that business, period. Without insurance, it's just plain stupid to accept all the risks.
So, are you well insured or not?

Tom Kyba| 11.20.12 @ 11:20AM

You run your own business. That's funny.

TLP| 11.20.12 @ 1:46PM

When you run your own Gay Book Store, it's easy to fill out the paperwork?

Is that what you're saying?

Obviously, you're not Claiming all of the Quarters in your Peep Show Booths.

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 5:27PM

Guess you don't run your own business either, do you TLP ? But you are consistently gay obsessed. You need a good lay it sounds like - man to man, that is.

TLP| 11.20.12 @ 6:50PM

I'm just trying to speak in a way that you will understand.

Obviously, you don't understand the regular vernacular.

What's the matter?

Did I hit a sore spot, with you?

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 5:26PM

Guess you don't .

CJW| 11.20.12 @ 11:06AM

Purp the Village Idiot posted the following after the elections:

"Purp| 11.8.12 @ 10:35AM

"The Lord rules, not Obama." - CORRECT!

The Lord works in mysterious ways... and this is something for the faithful to contemplate in the way the see the world:

Hurricane Sandy and Chris Christie was the Lord's way of pressing his thumb on the scale to tilt in the direction of President Obama. It was His punishment of Republicans for their lying and trying to cheat (Voter Suppression) their way to political victory, while espousing faith, freedom and constitutional credentials."

So purpie believes God killed over 100 persons and destroyed millions of dollars of property to help Obama win.

In Sept Purpie wrote that Amassador Stevens was at fault and caused his death.

Purpie also wrote that the unborn are biological entities not deserving of protection until God allows them to be born. (What does this mean?)

Purpie represents the Loon Left that should be mocked and ridiculed, and not engaged in conversation

Albert Constantine Jr.| 11.20.12 @ 4:07PM

Purp frequently mentions that he owns his own business (when he's not working for his Fortune Top 10 corporation), but he never says what he does or what his business is. Does he fear a boycott of the kind that the left constantly tries to organize?

Actually, since he is a fraud, his pretextual jobs/ businesses/ prior votes for republicans are as fraudulent as the compassion he pretends to have, while he reveals his true depravity when he says Ambassador Stevens is responsible for his own death, and God sent hurricane Sandy to get Obama re-elected.

CJW| 11.20.12 @ 4:25PM

Albert

Here is what he said about abortion:

"Purp| 11.7.12 @ 1:16PM

The unborn have no rights - they are biological entities until God allows them to be born."

Pa, like most states, has laws protecting the unborn titled "Homicide on an Unborn Child." Of course it does not apply to abortion.
But to say that God allows abortion the moment
that God allows an unborn child to be born is to say that God approves of abortion.

Where do you start analyzing such a stupid and evil statment?

CJW| 11.20.12 @ 5:00PM

Should be "But to say God allows abortion the moment AFTER that God allows an unborn child to be born is to say God approves of abortion."

Albert Constantine Jr.| 11.20.12 @ 5:29PM

I can imagine Purp saying such a stupid and evil statement, because that is (for the most part) all that he makes. That is why he serves such an important function here; every time he has to get away from the scripted talking points, he reveals that he is a shallow thinking, callow fraud.

Of course, when he sticks to the talking points, they show many of the same things.

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 5:39PM

Al - you cannot counter because you have no clue what God intends.
But it a child is aborted, it is His will, is it not? How can it be other?

Bob Grant| 11.20.12 @ 6:34PM

Purp,

You sound like you don't believe in G*d. It seems like you're being absurd to make a point, so I will go along with your silly little game:

Then by your "logic", if humans cause global warming, then it's G*d's will.

Poor people exist because of G*d's will.

War exists because it's God's will.

If this is your attempt at irony, then you have failed yet again! Leave irony to the pros you schmuck!!!

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 5:37PM

What kind of twisted logic is that? And you wonder why women don't like you ...

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 5:36PM

You CAN do both you know, don't you. At least I do.
And I did say that, and it's not depraved, since I was parrotting Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson - oh, wait, ya, it is depraved.
And I did vote for Reagan twice and Papa Bush.
But you know, your pronouncement simply lends credence to my presumption that since I am NOT Conservative and NOT Republican now, then I couldn't possibly be white, running a business, working for Fortune 10 company, don't hate women, don't hate brown and black people, make a great living, am giving of time and money to charity and I don't hate the government. You simply cannot fathom that successful people do not follow and fall for your tripe promoted incessantly by Heritage, Cato, Fox and Rush.
How'd their principles and theories work for ya in the last election? Hmmmm?
There is something very wrong with Conservatism and Republicanism, but you don't see it, do you?

JD| 11.20.12 @ 7:25PM

Purp, who writes as one who cannot comprehend that we might be anything but greedy evil racists dares claim that it is we who can't comprehend him!

What hypocrisy!

And the election did not prove that there was anything wrong with conservatism. Indeed, such a thing cannot be proved, because it is not true.

Elections do not decide what is right or wrong. They simply decide what we are going to do.

Although... the Left, which generally does not respect any moral authority and does not believe in any god, has come to believe that supreme moral authority comes from the will of the majority. In which case elections WOULD determine right and wrong. A scary thought.

But not to worry. The Left, ever hypocritical, quickly discards the lie that the will of the majority is the source of morality when the majority disagrees with them. At this point, they declare that their goal is a "right", and that whatever unnamed higher power grants "rights" requires that we capitulate. Even though higher powers do not exist.

Clear?

Stan Redmond| 11.23.12 @ 2:33PM

"Obama is a soft of God" -Eval Thomas.

There is no God but government, Obama it's profit, and abortion is it's sacriment.

Albert Constantine Jr.| 11.20.12 @ 7:57PM

Purp, it is very clear there is something wrong with you. If I can make it clearer, I'm not saying you couldn't be all of the things you claim to be simultaneously or serially. I'm calling you a liar, based on your lack of credibility.

I hope that clears it up.

CJW| 11.20.12 @ 8:16PM

Albert
First entry: Purpie as George Costanza who imagines himself as Art Vandelay, of Vandelay Industries, and as an architect, and as a a marine biologist, but living with his parents, dating his cousin, getting fired at every job, running over children to get out of the apartment on fire, and so on....

Albert Constantine Jr.| 11.20.12 @ 9:31PM

The only problem with Purp as the marine biologist is that in that episode, George actually improved the whale's condition by removing the obstruction (a Titleist, I believe) from its blow hole (I'll allow TLP space to insert an appropriate remark on Purp and blow holes here: )

I doubt that in his real life (not his imaginary internet life), Purp has never been that productive or useful to another living creature (or blob of tissue, as I believe he refers to them), outside of the sterling example he fills here of daily demonstrating all that is wrong with the Left.

CJW| 11.20.12 @ 9:59PM

You are correct, and George does acknowldge that he is basically worthless, has no future, and no present.

Stan Redmond| 11.23.12 @ 2:48PM

Not to toot my own horn but read my reply. Either he is a liar, he owns his own multi million dollar high tech company and trolls internet forums while at the same time "working for a fortune 10 company."

What is it about liberals that love telling everyone how much money they have. Bill Clinton, Obama, Buffet, all do that. "Please, I'm so rich, tax me more."

Stan Redmond| 11.23.12 @ 2:45PM

This is an interesting post here. you state in other threads you own a semiconductor business and make mad mad money. Now you state your are working for a Fortune 10 company. or do you OWN the fortune 10 company. The only listed Fortune 10, of 2012, company that has anything to do with semiconductors (high tech) is Hewlett Packard Does this mean you are the owner of Hewlett or just work for them.

Two fun things if someone here is so motivated. I am sure the stockholders of your company (if it's a corporation) would like seeing your posts and time stamps knowing you're posting here on Am Spec. Instead of doing your job. ON the other hand, I am sure the shareholders and govorning board of HP, or any of the Fortune 10 companies, would enjoy the same information and learning that one of their underlings is wasting company time. I'm sure blogging is not covered as a legitimate function of your position.

Don't bother trying that on me though. I own my business so doesn't matter if I waste time on the internet.

Bob K| 11.20.12 @ 2:14PM

Bad management includes poor, across the table, Contract Negotiating, which happened with Hostess and in the Detroit Car Making Industry. This also happens with Elected Officials negotiating Public Union Contracts.

If done properly, as it was in Wisconsin with their School Teachers Unions, it can come close to bankrupting the local union treasuries.

But the people elect the officials who do this negotiating: For example, retired schoolteachers and administrators are often elected to School Boards. Local law enforcement officers who get early retirement pensions compared to other government workers are often elected to Town and City Councils and vote on employee pension increases.

"We have met the enemy and it is us!" Pogo.

That's why we keep praying for some so called Conservative Leader to come around and make Unions illegal. That won't happen as long as America is a Democracy.

But give Obama time, he doesn't like them either, no matter what he says, and he would like nothing better than to outlaw their members the right to vote for their leaders. He wants to appoint them.

derekcrane | 11.20.12 @ 7:10PM

You are correct about bad management. Any manager who would accept a union into his company is asking for a slow death. A good manager will crush any union movement in his company, even if it means moving to a "right to work" state.

Bob K| 11.20.12 @ 7:28PM

It's an option if it can be afforded.

It is not possible with government union contracts. That means taking tough, unpopular positions on these contracts. The typical local press will pillory management here. Stories about how the public will be threatened will abound. You know the routine. Elected officials don't want to subject themselves to this treatment.

Bob K| 11.20.12 @ 7:40PM

This is happening now in a city near me. Local road and bridge workers are negotiating a contract. They want 2 to 4% raises over the next 4 years. City managers turn it down saying they can't afford it. The workers are pi**ed. Management just gave themselves and their office workers a bigger raise. They also gave the Police larger raises. The newspaper is having a grand time pointing all this out.

Pogo's quote (see above) applies here.

Solo| 11.21.12 @ 5:06PM

There should be 50 "Right To Work" states in this country.

After all...non-union workers have a "right to work" too, don't they? Or have we thrown that out, as well?

Al Adab| 11.20.12 @ 8:39AM

Gotta hand it to the union bosses. Picking this economy with January and Obamacare pending was a great time to strike. Lemming like is the proper term.

Minuteman78| 11.20.12 @ 10:47AM

More like "lobotomized lemming."

Cat Shot| 11.20.12 @ 9:32AM

Mr. Lord's lemming analogy breaks down with respect to Obamacare - Congress exempted itself. The Obamacare lemmings didn't commit Twinkicide - they were pushed.

Hardcard| 11.20.12 @ 10:49AM

Made in China: Bibles, Holy Pictures, Rosary Beads, Mass Cards, VFW printed materialsto name a few. I have complained to the involved charities and they all responded it's cheaper to print their stuff in china.
I have stopped contributing to these organizaztions. Check it out.

TLP| 11.20.12 @ 1:49PM

You left out: American Flags, Our Military's Uniforms and Combat Boots, as well as Sensitive Weapons Components, that continually FAIL under stress.

Learning is Fun.

gene| 11.20.12 @ 11:03AM

Equality. This is about equality. Everyone having a fair share. When we are a third world country with an Elitist Class, and everyone else poor, on food stamps, begging for scraps, and no one (except for the Ruling Class) has any advantage, then these Liberals will be happy.
"1984" going from Sci-Fi to complete reality.

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 11:29AM

It's Republican and Conservative policies that are pushing us in that direction - ever since Reagan was elected.
You don't know what you're talking about.
The rich are getting richer - that's NOT a liberal endeavor. Conservatives don't want to care for the poor, the elderly or the disabled (Veterans included).
Case in point: privatizing Social Security, Disability & Medicare (put your retirement at the whim of Wall Street and health in the hands of for-profit Insurance Companies) and dismantling Medicaid.
Explain how jeopardizing these programs is good for the country, the poor, the elderly, the disabled?
THOSE are conservadum ideas, NOT Liberal.

CJW| 11.20.12 @ 11:33AM

Purp the Village Idiot posted the following after the elections:

"Purp| 11.8.12 @ 10:35AM

"The Lord rules, not Obama." - CORRECT!

The Lord works in mysterious ways... and this is something for the faithful to contemplate in the way the see the world:

Hurricane Sandy and Chris Christie was the Lord's way of pressing his thumb on the scale to tilt in the direction of President Obama. It was His punishment of Republicans for their lying and trying to cheat (Voter Suppression) their way to political victory, while espousing faith, freedom and constitutional credentials."

So purpie believes God killed over 100 persons and destroyed millions of dollars of property to help Obama win.

In Sept Purpie wrote that Amassador Stevens was at fault and caused his death.

Purpie also wrote that the unborn are biological entities not deserving of protection until God allows them to be born. (What does this mean?)

Purpie represents the Loon Left that should be mocked and ridiculed, and not engaged in conversation

JD| 11.20.12 @ 11:55AM

The rich getting richer is absolutely a liberal endeavor. You just naively think that there are no such things as unintended consequences, so you cannot comprehend that your policies aren't doing what you want them to do. You double-down on your naivete by insisting that the Right must want all bad things that happen, since the impossibility of unintended consequences must mean that someone (clearly not you!) WANTS bad things!

The rich get richer because foolish leaders think that making our system more complicated and getting government more involved will help the poor. It does the opposite. Complexity benefits the most capable and hurts the rest, and government meddling invites those with resources to meddle in government.

TLP| 11.20.12 @ 2:06PM

These are Liberal Programs.

Welfare. Paying Unwed Mothers for each additional Child. Free Needles. Methedone Clinics. Free Condoms. Free Abortions, and Pulling a Full Term BABY out of its Mother's Womb, by its feet, until only its head remains inside, and then making an incision at the base of its Skull, and sucking its Brain Out.

Sex Education. The Joys of Anal Sex, Oral Sex, Sex with an Adult, and Maturbation, in the THIRD GRADE.

It's Running Guns to Mexican Drug Cartels. Waging Illegal Wars in Libya. Not Enforcing Immigration Laws ON THE BOOKS. and Forging Documents to put in place an ILLEGAL Drillimg Moratorium.

It's No Photo I.D. to Vote. No trials for Black Panthers outside of Polling Places, and LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH when our Embassies are Attacked, and Our People are killed.

It's blocking the XL Pipeline, and it's Closing Coal Mines and Coal Fired Electric Plants.

I could go on, but I gotta pee.

Stan Redmond| 11.20.12 @ 3:05PM

Why do liberals care if rich get richer. Is it better if the rich get poorer? What's the point?

JD| 11.20.12 @ 3:54PM

They believe that it IS better if the rich get poorer. That is because they are stupid.

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 5:48PM

Because it matters if they are getting rich by rigging the system (BIG Oil) and getting rich by stepping on others (BAIN Capital) or manipulating the government's protective regulations (the Big Bankers).
When the playing field isn't level, and they aren't getting rich fairly, but through manipulation, it hurts everyone who can't deal dirty.
What's so hard to understand about that?
In baseball, the spit ball is not allowed because it isn't fair. Can't we even follow rules for behavior we were taught as little tykes? Are we that selfish and moronic?

JD| 11.20.12 @ 6:45PM

You define a "level playing field" as whatever results in victory for you.

Your every policy desire is the antithesis of leveling the playing field. Rather, as liberals more eloquent than you describe, your side thinks that true fairness and true freedom are impossible, so you will compensate for unfortunate reality by forcing resources to go where you think they should go, or would go, if only freedom and fairness could exist (as you see them).

Nothing about unequal taxation, qualified social welfare, or targeted regulations is remotely fair. They are by definition intended to apply to people unequally, under the guise of compensating for preexisting inequalities which are perceived, very subjectively, by you people, in your self-deluded wisdom.

We who oppose you demand that government treat people equally, meaning no one should pay anything to government unless everyone else does, no one should get anything from government unless everyone else does, and government should pursue its one real purpose - law enforcement - to prevent unfairness between private entities.

All the "rigging the system" that you complain about is made possible by YOU. You create complexity in the name of charity, and complexity is where unfairness hides.

CJW| 11.20.12 @ 8:19PM

JD
An example of rigging the system is when Michelle got a raise from $100,000 per year to $320,000 per year from the Chicago hospital for which Senator Obama requested an earmark of one million dollars, and Michele's job was never filled after she left in 2008.

Stan Redmond| 11.20.12 @ 1:38PM

Fair share is easy to accomplish. you can divide nothing an infinite amount of times and everyone still has nothing. FORWARD!!!

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 5:48PM

Fake analogy. Meaningless.

JD| 11.20.12 @ 6:46PM

That... wasn't an analogy at all.

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 9:50PM

Whatever, it's still meaningless...

Petronius| 11.20.12 @ 11:12AM

Everybody is missing the boat on this one. Hostess will not be allowed to liquidate. Ask the judge. The stage is being set for another UAW solution. The company will be taken away from the shareholders and given to the unions. I recommend the directors and managers take their accrued bonuses, severance packages, clear their desks and just QUIT. I want to see a Federal Court try and force business professionals to continue operations against their will. That is not a business. That's a support group, which liberals believe businesses to be anyway. Look at France. No private concern is allowed to make a sou unless it's in the carriage trade sphere of luxury goods, or hotels and restaurants with Hollywood cachet. It's time for a national lockout. Government solves nothing and produces nothing. It just drives up my cost of living with despotic taxes and regulations. Now that the CEO's know bribing the liberals doesn't work, lock the doors, bar the gates and shut down to teach these economically illiterate slugs that the world does NOT Owe them a living!

TLP| 11.20.12 @ 2:08PM

I believe they call that: Controlling the Means of Production.

JD| 11.20.12 @ 11:52AM

The Leftist algorithm is simple.

They know that so long as everything they want is implemented in the form of rules for businesses, their media allies will help them blame the businesses for all the negative consequences.

So long as they get away with this, they are unstoppable. While taking credit for the handouts they give, they will ironically blame the people paying for it all for all of America's problems. In addition to the electoral advantage this gives them, it also raises a public clamor for them to "save" us from the evil businesses by nationalizing them.

Of course, being gracious lovers of "bipartisanship" and "compromise", the Left will refuse to nationalize too much out of respect for the Right. Or so they say. They know that to actually nationalize would be to take ownership of problems, which they don't want. The present arrangement - where they own all federal largesse, but no problems - is far preferable.

And now they can add the claim that they're the only ones willing to compromise to their list of lies.

Ralph Novy| 11.20.12 @ 5:16PM

Holy shit! We've got an "algorithm"?

I'm going to get on the horn right away and ask my local commissar what this secret algorithm is.

Boy, when me and all my friends know that, there'll be no stopping us!

"Red Dawn" will look like a stroll in the park.

LMAO.

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 5:57PM

LMAO Ralph ... !

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 5:42PM

My God, JD, talk about paranoid conspiracy theories... take a chill pill and get thee to a doctor - Quick. Right now.
Do you have even an iota of a clue why a Bill Gates or Warren Buffet doesn't promote what you believe?

JD| 11.20.12 @ 5:46PM

Ah, the Left. Everything you believe is a conspiracy theory about greedy, evil rich people, yet you constantly accuse your opponents of conspiracy theories!

When spoken about in less direct terms, you people plainly admit to, and brag about, doing exactly what I described.

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 5:50PM

A theory is not provable, such as your twisted theory - but you can prove the rich are greedy, maybe not evil, but certainly greedy.
I'll leave the proof for you to discover as homework. Can you find it?

JD| 11.20.12 @ 6:19PM

Reality is constant evidence of what I described. As for you, you require no evidence whatsoever to believe not merely that ALL rich people are "greedy", as you so casually stated, but that this greed conspires to rob all others, and is the cause of all that is wrong in the world.

The simple act of "being rich" is a crime.

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 9:48PM

Don't put words in my mouth to prove your own point. Rich people are not all that is wrong with the world. You exist, and you're not rich, for one example.
Rich don't conspire to rob others, they just do it and feel justified because they believe if they don't, someone else will. Just listen to them sometimes.
But maybe you don't hob-nob with the wealthy as I do. Too bad, some of them are really greedy at any cost to others.

Solo| 11.21.12 @ 5:16PM

"My God, JD, talk about paranoid conspiracy theories... take a chill pill and get thee to a doctor - Quick. Right now.
Do you have even an iota of a clue why a Bill Gates or Warren Buffet doesn't promote what you believe?"

Because their vast wealth, a wealth far more difficult to achieve today than 20 years ago, has granted them the luxury to promote policies that will no longer have any measurable effect on them.

MHammell| 11.20.12 @ 12:31PM

My only problem with this is that, like most people who aren't familiar with the Lutheran Church, you refer to the Evanglical Lutheran Church (ELC) as though it is the entire Lutheran Church. The Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod (LCMS) has, at least for now, avoided the path of liberalism, even joining the Roman Catholics in Congressional hearings to protest Obamacare's abortion mandates. I get real tired of hearing about "Lutherans" supporting gay marriage, ordination of women and all the rest when it is in fact one group of self-described Lutherans whom the LCMS has described as not Lutheran at all, and with who there is no altar and pulpit fellowship. I've been frustrated by this since my childhood in the home of an LCMS Pastor.

TLP| 11.20.12 @ 2:09PM

The Problem is The Gay Priests.

Hello?

Ralph Novy| 11.20.12 @ 5:12PM

The Gay Priests = "TGP." You're "TLP."

Is there some weird psycho-sexual-identity drama going on here? Or sibling rivalry?

LOL

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 5:57PM

Since I am Lutheran I can dispute your comments. In Missouri you may believe that, but that isn't the case for all Lutherans. Stop generalizing when you know nothing.

TLP| 11.20.12 @ 6:52PM

All you did was Verify what I just said.

Well done, sweetheart.

Albert Constantine Jr.| 11.20.12 @ 8:01PM

Somewhere, Martin Luther blushes in shame, and apologizes to God that Purp just tried to use his name and claim membership in the religion he founded.

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 9:50PM

Claim? Who are you to say what my religion is? Tread lightly Troll.

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 9:52PM

You're still sick. Troll

Controse| 11.20.12 @ 12:43PM

This is a wonderful restatement of the bleeding obvious about liberalism and societal suicide. Could Mr. Lord or some readers refer us to essays or books that address the fascinating mystery : Why? What is the motivation? What is the imagined payoff? When is our society sufficiently liberal? And the corollary mystery : Why are conservatives gentlemen in the face of liberal barbarism?

Stan Redmond| 11.20.12 @ 1:41PM

Conservatives are too busy working real jobs and taking care of their families. Liberals have their hooks in government because it is the only place people with gender study degrees can get jobs. LIberal thought is a gutless easy choice for unomtivated, lazy, and stupid people who want to find an excuse for not being happy.

C. Vernon Crisler | 11.20.12 @ 6:57PM

Dittos...I love that about gender study degrees. That are a lot more degrees like that in the university that mean nothing in the real world.

Petronius| 11.20.12 @ 5:28PM

The "conservatives" (?) lost in the primaries through crossover voting and character assassination in the media. The squishes who run the Republican Party have never had to fight and don't know how. The enemy is all street trash from the 60's. They play smash mouth. Their media vilifies all their opponents before they are aware they are being attacked, defined, and branded as totally inhuman. Republicans also think liberals use of language and terminology comes from the dictionary. Fuggetaboutit. Today Republicans are accused of "War against people of color". So the GOP thinks this attack is about complexion. It's Really about refusing to accept liberal's protected minorities on THEIR Terms. Liberals know raw emotion works, not reason. And so long as Liberals control all institutional authority they can't be defeated politically. Schools ,churches, media, and especially the legal establishment are THEIR turf. Alinski and Gramschi taught them to concentrate power. That is a thing of which Republicans never speak. And nathan is spot on. When they had real power they had no idea what to do with it except force ethanol into our gas tanks and cave into liberal demands which never reach their front doors. Grand Ole PUTZes!

Dwilhelms| 11.20.12 @ 8:03PM

Akin? Gingrich? Mourdock? West? These are your ideal of gentlemen?

If these are gentlemen, pass the horned helmet and the battle axe, I greatly prefer the barbarians.

nathan| 11.20.12 @ 1:17PM

I have a question for Jeffrey Lord here.

You were White House political director under Reagan. So you are not a disinterested observer here. You had a chance to make a difference sir.

So tell me, what did the administration you were a part of do to stop ACA? Dumb question? No. Because if ACA was going to be stopped, it was going to be stopped while you were in power. You and your boss working with Congress were the last best chance to roll back at least part of the New Deal. To dismantle in whole or in part the newer Great Society which given it's relative age was vulnerable.

What did you and your boss do? Name me a single New Deal/Great Society program you and your boss are responsible for eliminating completely. Your boss is considered the greatest of post war conservatives. You "won" the cold war. (Maybe, the Soviet Union was falling apart internally anyway as we know now.) But by focusing totally externally you ensured that democrats after you would be free to build on prior successes. What did you do domestically sir? I read your column every week. But what did you do to force liberals to re baseline the entitlement structure? And if not you and your boss then WHO?

And now it's probably too late folks. The time to act was then. When the writer was in power. But now? It's too late folks. But people like Lord had an obligation to try and unless he shows me otherwise I don't see any evidence that he did.

Ralph Novy| 11.20.12 @ 5:08PM

You're dishonest through and through, Mr. Lord.

I hope you have an epiphany before you pass so that you pass along something better to your descendants and others.

Purp| 11.20.12 @ 5:52PM

Like Milton Friedman recanted his theories of supply side economics (Voodoo Economics) before HE died?
Sounds like a soul cleansing exercise to meet his maker.

JD| 11.20.12 @ 7:00PM

The only thing Friedman recanted was his belief in monetary policy, which comes from your side of the aisle.

You people are so self-deluded that you've decided that even the most obvious truths are lies.

For example, the truth that wealth cannot exist unless it is produced has been labeled a lie by the Left, which has decided that "supply side economics" is voodoo. The Left now thinks that spending, not production, produces wealth. This despite the common root word "produce", which ought to give the truth away.

Of course, you can only sustain such a brazen lie by combining it with other brazen lies, mainly the claim that to tax a person less is the equivalent of "giving" him something, and to NOT give someone social welfare is to actively "hurt" that person. Both of these lies can only exist simultaneously if one believes that the natural state of affairs is for all wealth to be given to government and redistributed by government, such that any deviation from this model is a favor. This is clearly how you want it.

Only with these later lies do you make the original claim that our low-tax, supply-side ideas mean "giving rich people money that should be in the hands of poor people." What a wicked perversion of the truth! But you have no shame; you lie so boldly, so arrogantly, and so confidently in your zeal to keep our true ideas from being heard by the masses. You are truly evil people.

Dimitry_Aleksandrovich| 11.20.12 @ 6:47PM

Death by Liberalism is right. Death by MARKET LIBERALISM, death by Wall Street Banksters and Free For All Capitalism and Globalist Free Trade. That's the liberalism that destroyed 18,500 jobs. Capitalists are NOT TRUE CONSERVATIVES and never will be because they care nothing of CONSERVING the American Middle Class. I am a union member and I am NOT a liberal. Not by a longshot.

Bob Grant| 11.20.12 @ 7:31PM

"they care nothing of CONSERVING the American Middle Class."

DimWittry: You seem to be eat up the with simples so lemme set you straight.

Whether conservatives "care" about the middle class is neither here, nor there. I'm sure many "care" about the middle class. Many have family members in the middle class and many CAME from the middle class.

Now, because having a strong, growing middle class is in capitalists' best interests, I would bet they care more than you would admit.

Your problem, DimWittry, is that you believe in a Zero Sum Game, where everyone's fighting for a portion of a pie that never grows, and at times gets smaller, whereas real conservatives believes in a pie that grows larger.

Now, please respond with more banal class envy.

Dimitry_Aleksandrovich| 11.20.12 @ 7:50PM

I am not talking about Middle/Working Class conservatives who have a small business or work for someone else. If keeping a strong middle class was in the interest of the capitalist then the capitalist should view the union as a partner rather than an enemy.

"Real conservatives believe in a pie that grows larger" I am a conservative I have no problem with a pie that grows larger as long as the slice for the American working class as it did after World War II in what many fellow conservatives identify as the "Golden Years".

Bob Grant| 11.20.12 @ 7:56PM

I've read your posts.

Sorry, you are a straight-up class warrior.

You've got a hard on for successful people and believe they need to be punished.

Your way of thinking is extremely dangerous in a weak economy such as our, and if left up to you, we'd all be living like serfs in no time.

Educate yourself and get rid of the hate.

Dwilhelms| 11.20.12 @ 8:01PM

Bob Grant, geez, it's been a long time and time has not mellowed your zeal nor supplied with more facts. Your arrogance and sense of class privilege is all too apparent with "many have family members in the middle class" (meaning I don't belong to the middle class) and "many CAME from the middle class" (meaning, Thank God, I got mine and now I don't have to associate with that stinking mass any more.

Stan Redmond| 11.21.12 @ 4:55PM

"Middle class" is an invention of the marxists.

derekcrane | 11.20.12 @ 7:23PM

Mr. Lord, well done and right on. Liberalism will kill this country as it has Hostess, Newsweek, Detroit and thousands of other entities. Our country will be destroyed by the policies of "The One." The only question is who will be in charge of rebuilding it.

Lefties will only continue its destruction. Free market conservatives will give us a chance to emerge stronger. I believe, however, that quite a few stomachs must rumble for that to happen.

derekcrane | 11.20.12 @ 7:24PM

Mr. Lord, well done and right on. Liberalism will kill this country as it has Hostess, Newsweek, Detroit and thousands of other entities. Our country will be destroyed by the policies of "The One." The only question is who will be in charge of rebuilding it.

Lefties will only continue its destruction. Free market conservatives will give us a chance to emerge stronger. I believe, however, that quite a few stomachs must rumble for that to happen.

Dimitry_Aleksandrovich| 11.20.12 @ 7:51PM

Free Market Conservatives are not conservatives, they are liberals. There is nothing conservative about unregulated capitalism.

derekcrane | 11.20.12 @ 8:37PM

Do you know what you are writing about?

Dimitry_Aleksandrovich| 11.20.12 @ 9:26PM

I know exactly what I'm talking about. In America up is down and left is right and right is wrong. There is nothing conservative about capitalism in America today. American workers and community should always come before profits. Maximizing profits for shareholders at the expense of entire communities (look at the Rustbelt...Detroit, Cleveland, Youngstown, etc.) is not conservative and using Nicki Minaj or Britney Spears or any of the other popular culture degenerates to sell your products is not only not conservative, but immoral. Corporate lenders who suck the blood out of working people down on their luck are really no different from loan sharks. It used to be that usury was forbidden in Christendom, but capitalism is built on usury.

Bob Grant| 11.20.12 @ 10:14PM

Like I said in my other post above, your ideas are very dangerous and nothing close to what the founding fathers had in mind.

I don't even know how to respond to your insanity.

You need to put down the Marx and grow up.

Dimitry_Aleksandrovich| 11.21.12 @ 3:01PM

How am I a Marxist. I'm not advocating the nationalization of industry or the seizure and redistribution of private property. I'm just advocating that the partnership between business and labor that existed after WWII be restored and that our federal government put American industry and American workers before the global free market.

Stan Redmond| 11.23.12 @ 2:27PM

OK. Maybe not pure marxist. But definately facist. You just advocate, in your second paragraph, for an all knowing all powerful "federal government" to control the individual actions of businesses and employees. What new massive expansion of federal powers are needed to compel who does what in a global market? Force all manufacturing to be on USA shores? Force all expats working for foreign countries to come back to USA soil? Halt imports in to the country? Halt exports?

And following up on a previous post business MUST and SHOULD put profits before anything. If a company is not profitable NO ONE benefits. I don't know about you but I have never had a job from a poor person. If I didn't make a profit in my business the guys I employ are all without work and my family has no food on the table. The only "company" that doesn't put profit as a priority is called govornment. The government can't even run a whorehouse in Nevada and make a profit. There is so much confusion in your own arguments I will just leave it at what Bob Grant said.

Bob K| 11.20.12 @ 9:25PM

Dimitry.
Free Market Conservatives are conservative. They just are not realists, they are idealists. There are no free markets. There never were. Everything is affected by government action through taxing, regulating, tariffs and bribery; open or covert or hidden like election contributions. I know I've missed some other reasons too.

Governments respond to different pressures (democracy, populism, nationalism) than markets do and when they do the markets adjust or try to adjust.

Dimitry_Aleksandrovich| 11.20.12 @ 9:39PM

"Free Market Conservatives are conservative. They just are not realists, they are idealists."

Thank you Bob. You have made my point. I truly do not believe that you can be a conservative and an idealist. I am not an idealist, I am a realist. My reality is that outside of the labor union I wouldn't make enough in my current trade to take care of my family unless I was willing to spend months at a time away from my family. I am a realist I know I need the union so I fight for it. I am staunchly pro-life and believe that a marriage is between a man and a woman. I believe in hard work and each family saving for the future. I believe in the core conservative values, but I no longer believe in the free market. I believe in economic nationalism. I believe it is the federal governments place to protect and subsidize American jobs and guarantee the rights of American workers. I do not believe in trickle down economics and neither did most of our grandfathers and great grandfathers before, during and after WWII. They believed in hard work and had a hard work ethic. They have been dubbed the greatest generation, but they believed in a partnership between American Business and American Labor. As realists they knew that if they wanted to be part of the American Middle Class they had to have chips at the table. Collective bargaining gives the American worker those chips at the table.

Ralph Novy| 11.24.12 @ 1:03PM

Pretty well put, Bob.

YOU should be a senator instead of most of the Bozos now there.

BobRN| 11.21.12 @ 3:19AM

Not to make too much ado about it, but the coat Obama is depicted as wearing on the Newsweek cover is not intended to raise comparisons with Napoleon, but with George Washington. Which, of course, is even more ridiculous.

kingratt82| 11.21.12 @ 11:05PM

This article is excellent. Mr. Lord, please, please keep speaking the truth about liberalism and its potential and real destructive consequences. It looks like it takes a member of the Reagan Revolution, a true Reaganite to say what needs to be said about the danger of liberalism. I hope the post-Reagan Years generations catch on and carry the torch, because the Reagan team won't be around forever.

AKraver| 11.23.12 @ 11:31AM

What a boring-ass article!

Stan Redmond| 11.23.12 @ 2:16PM

Yet you read it and cared enough about it to comment.

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