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Does Obama Doom America?

By Quin Hillyer on 11.14.12 @ 6:10AM

The question so many people are asking.

The refrain started many weeks, even months, before the election, but its frequency and intensity has increased nearly exponentially since Nov. 6.

“I don’t know if we can survive another four years of this,” people say. Or, “do you think we can survive four more years of this?” Even Bill Kristol, not prone to defeatism, speculated on what might happen “even if America can survive the next four years of Obama.” [Emphasis added.] The words aren’t coming from alarmists. They come in face-to-face conversations, or in emails, or on the phone. They come from Washington, from New York, from New Jersey, from Minnesota, from Alabama, from New Orleans — from all over. Serious, ordinary people, some of whom live and breathe politics and some of whom pay almost no attention to current affairs, aren’t panicking or exaggerating. They are really worried about what this man in the White House will do now. And they’re really worried about whether America as we know it can survive.

It is not an idle worry. Barack Obama and his minions play for keeps. And they are playing for a vastly different America than the one with which we have been accustomed for 224 years of this constitutional republic. Fight a war in Libya without even asking for a congressional resolution? No problem. Appoint executive officers without Senate approval, when the Senate is still in session? Sure. Issue executive orders directly contrary to law, on multiple occasions? Of course. Refuse to enforce duly constituted laws? Check. Repeatedly question the very legitimacy of the Supreme Court? Check. Refuse to honor congressional subpoenas and legitimate Freedom of Information requests? Ignore court orders (about offshore drilling) so flagrantly that you are found officially in contempt of court? Insult or even abandon allies? Whisper to foreign leaders of traditionally adversarial lands that you will have “more flexibility” after re-election? Deliberately cover up deadly mistakes on the Mexican border and in North Africa? Check, check, check, check, and check.

This man runs a vote-fraud-enabling, military-vote-suppressing, domestic-energy-destroying, debt-exploding, credit-limit-undermining, defense-gutting, abusive-regulation-promulgating, power-centralizing, religious-liberty-attacking, crony-corporatism-expanding, Constitution-trampling administration. He politicizes everything and demeans politics and the presidency simultaneously. His opponent (according to his closest political associates) was a “felon.” The opponent was proximately responsible for a woman’s cancer death, deliberately outsourced jobs, and led a “war on women.” Women, meanwhile, should look to government for sustenance from cradle to grave, should vote as if giving up their virginity, and should “vote like [their] lady parts depend on it.” Attack, attack, attack; demean, demean, demean; trivialize, trivialize, trivialize; and never once outline a second-term agenda other than demonizing the wealthy and confiscating their wealth. This is a man using the presidency to serve his own power, no matter what the cost, rather than honoring the power of the presidency by the restraint inherent in treating the office as greater than the man who holds it.

Obama discards promises with astonishing regularity, prevaricates about the past with impunity, uses race as a cudgel while claiming to unite us, taxes the middle class (e.g., on medical devices) while saying he would never do so, and guts welfare reform while claiming he’s strengthening it. His mentor was a Communist; his top aide’s in-laws and grandfather were major Communist activists; his chief political strategist worked for Communist-linked journalists; he started his political career with a fund-raiser at the house of domestic terrorists; he repeatedly and enthusiastically said the man who most deeply influenced his faith was a preacher in whose pews he sat for 20 years while the preacher spread racial hatred and anti-American venom (after which, according to the preacher himself, a close Obama associate offered to “buy” the preacher’s silence); he got a sweetheart deal on his mansion via a financial alliance with a crook named Rezko; and he himself wrote that he made a conscious decision while still a very young adult to embrace racial grievances and hang out with hard-left counter-culturists.

Is there the slightest thing in that background to suggest that he loves the same America most Americans love?

“Voting is the best revenge,” he said. How instructive. Revenge for what? Is it revenge against “bitter,” middle class Americans who “cling” to “guns and religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them”? Is that why we need to “spread the wealth”? Or why we must not reform America but “transform” it?

And that’s just Obama’s person. His policies are worse. This nation absolutely cannot survive much more of his deliberately created debt. Our economy is being stifled by 68 regulations per day — 6,125 regulations or regulatory notices in just the 90 days leading up to Nov. 12. Our medical system cannot survive Obamacare — with doctors retiring at record rates, or refusing to accept Medicare or Medicaid patients, with premiums rising through the roof, with medical-device companies already cutting back on research and development, and with increasing numbers of companies dropping insurance coverage of their employees.

And that’s not even to mention the horrifying dangers of a desperately weakened defense force, a refusal to call terrorism by its name or fight it accordingly, and a betrayal of allies combined with kowtowing to powers antagonistic to everything about the American nation.

Can we survive all this? Well, as Ronald Reagan would say, we are, after all, Americans. We are a rather hearty people, and an inherently decent people too. But never, ever, not even under Jimmy Carter, were we led by a president who thinks the United States has been anything but an overwhelming force for good in the world. Until now. And that should frighten us.

In my first post-election column four years ago, I warned that Obama’s Alinskyites would first find a way to steal a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate (check), eventually try to undermine the filibuster entirely (check), liberalize laws and practices against vote fraud (check), abuse the power of the Justice Department (check), tilt the playing field in favor of unions, use regulations like a cudgel, inspire radical “street demonstrations” (check-check-check), and incrementally but steadily erode our civil rights (HHS mandate, anyone?).

All of that is child’s play compared to what Obama can do now that he no longer faces re-election, now that he can appoint more and more judges to rubber-stamp his abuses, now that he can issue more executive orders and administrative fiats, now that he can use the full and awesome power of the federal behemoth he has so assiduously expanded in size, scope, and authority. Unless we watch out, one fears, columns such as this one will be described as seditious, and our speech rights will be as threatened as the religious liberties of Catholic charities and Baptist hospitals already are.

These things can happen, though, only if we don’t fight back. If this be sedition (which it isn’t), let the Obamites make the most of it. At some point the sleeping American public will rouse itself and insist that we are indeed Americans, and we are better and freer and stronger than the Eric Holders of the world think we are. The Obamites will not succeed. We will not let them.

About the Author

Quin Hillyer is a senior editor of The American Spectator and a senior fellow at the Center for Individual Freedom. Follow him on Twitter @QuinHillyer.

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janetd| 11.14.12 @ 6:31AM

If you are waiting for Americans to rouse themselves to the abuses of Obama you are in for a long night. Like I keep telling my father-in-law, the electorate HAS CHANGED, DUDE. We are outnumbered.

Appleby| 11.14.12 @ 6:42AM

The American Pee-Pull VOTED for this man. Remember the other fascist nightmare that was voted into office on a wave of "popularity" once upon a time?

That would be Hitler.

Nancy in NC| 11.14.12 @ 6:55AM

And he rose to power the same way as obama...he lied.

Alan| 11.14.12 @ 7:58AM

Hitler was very frank in many ways as to what he wanted and what he was going to do, people just heard what they wanted to hear and disregarded the rest as the song goes.

Joellen| 11.14.12 @ 8:22AM

Alan, ala Obama. How many people voted for Obama simply because he will "give them what they wanted"? To many.

chuck| 11.14.12 @ 8:11AM

Hitler rose to power with about 30% of the vote.

Obama got 60 millions vote, out of a population of 315 million. Less than 20% of the population has saddled us with this destroyer of freedom.

Figure 40 % ineligible to vote:too young, felons; where are the other 80 million voters out there who don't even care enough to try to save this country?

TLP| 11.14.12 @ 9:51AM

Once again, the Magic Number - 20%.

A pretty Recent Study determined that 20% of the American People suffer from one Mental Disorder, or another.

Gallup says that 20% of American Voters identify themselves as: Liberal.

And, for the Second time in a Row. The Son of an Atheist Communist Wh*re and a Muslim Marxist Wh*re Chasing Alcoholic, who Died DRUNK, in a Kenyan Gutter, riddled with Aids: Recieved the Votes of 60 Million people.

20% of the American Populace.

Ipso Facto - Mental Disorder.

Kingofthenet| 11.14.12 @ 11:20AM

...still more than Mittens got

junkyard infidel| 11.14.12 @ 11:37AM

and right on cue, kingoftheNut proves tlp's point !

TLP| 11.14.12 @ 4:46PM

Contest on Friday, j.i.

Monday's story on Europe's Jerry Sandusky.

Join Us.

You won't be disappointed.

PRIZES!

Occam's Tool| 11.14.12 @ 12:08PM

"Obama discards promises with astonishing regularity, prevaricates about the past with impunity, uses race as a cudgel while claiming to unite us, taxes the middle class (e.g., on medical devices) while saying he would never do so, and guts welfare reform while claiming he's strengthening it. His mentor was a Communist; his top aide's in-laws and grandfather were major Communist activists; his chief political strategist worked for Communist-linked journalists; he started his political career with a fund-raiser at the house of domestic terrorists; he repeatedly and enthusiastically said the man who most deeply influenced his faith was a preacher in whose pews he sat for 20 years while the preacher spread racial hatred and anti-American venom (after which, according to the preacher himself, a close Obama associate offered to "buy" the preacher's silence); he got a sweetheart deal on his mansion via a financial alliance with a crook named Rezko; and he himself wrote that he made a conscious decision while still a very young adult to embrace racial grievances and hang out with hard-left counter-culturists."

Why wasn't Romney Nad punching on this from Day One! Why weren't any of the other Republicans. Where was the Dirty Trick Master?

When we lost that man to a brain tumor far too young, we lost America. A guitar playing Master of Dirty Tricks.

Anthony| 11.14.12 @ 3:28PM

I share your thoughts on this OT, however even if Romney conducted his campaign as we would have liked him to, he still would have lost.
Had he taken on Obozo full steam, the MSM would have howled like the rabid dogs that they are.
It would have been Romney is causing a civil war, Romney is threatening the saftey of the nation, Romney is pulling the nation apart, Romney blah blah blah.
We are finished as a republic until we regain control of the other 3 pillars of corruption that have destroyed our culture, hence a second Obozo term. Only then can we win and regain America's greatness.
Our deceased friend, whose name also escapes me, would not have been able to stem the tide.
We live in an idiocracy now.

TLP| 11.14.12 @ 4:49PM

Exactly.

Hey, Tony.

When are you gonna Join Us in The Contest, from your Palatial Ivory Tower in Wilton?

Friday, at Monday's Story on Europe's Jerry Sandusky.

Be there, or be from Danbury.

You won't regret it.

PRIZES!

TLP| 11.14.12 @ 4:51PM

If you don't come on Friday, I will HUNT YOU DOWN.

But first, I'll need your Last Name, and your Address, if you don't mind.

Occam's Tool| 11.14.12 @ 6:02PM

Lee Atwater. Look. If the MSM is against you, go nasty anyway.Some things can't be spun.

RCV| 11.18.12 @ 7:45PM

Even Lee Atwater recognized the moral depravity of the campaign he ran, and apologized before his death. I hope that your moral compass will return again, Occam, as your disappointment at the loss abates. You're a better person than the one you've been projecting of late.

Jacobite| 11.14.12 @ 2:01PM

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Hitler was a National Socialist. Mussolini was a Fascist. Franco led the Falange, which is really the prototype for all other Right-wing regimes. But the important point is that Hitler (and all other 'fascists') was not anti-German, the way O'bwana (and all Leftists) is anti-American. Hitler persecuted small non-German groups: Jews (German Jews, 1% of the population, controlled 26% of the economy), Gypsies, etc.; O'bwana is attacking white Americans (who are the only actual ethnic Americans), and acting every day in ways that establish white Americans as de facto and de jure second-class citizens in our own country. The reason people who compare any Leftist to Hitler (instead of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot,etc.) is only to obscure the real differences between Left and Right, which is that Rightists protect and support their own society, while Leftists exist to destroy their own society. What do you think the ACLU is doing?

StanAmSpec| 11.14.12 @ 3:04PM

Fascism, as in government manipulation and control of commerce and industry and society at large describes Hitler, Mussolini and Franco. The differences are minor politically. Hitler was a Nationalist too, whereas Mussolini and Franco were uncomfortable with that. None of them are "Right Wing" at least in any modern sense, right wing implies less government not more.
Your post seems like veiled racism (not the Democrat spew kind either).

TLP| 11.14.12 @ 5:08PM

The Nazis were National Socialists. That makes them Leftists.

All of the others took Total Control of The Means of Production.

That makes them Leftists.

I would say that This Government, is Fascist, as well.

The Muslim - through his Energy Department, his Interior Department, his EPA, his Justice Department, and his NLRB, as well as his Total Control over the Main Stream Media, has, by Definition, Fundamentally Transformed this Country into a FASCIST STATE.

Ana| 11.15.12 @ 3:19AM

That's not true. Hitler and the Nazi Party never won an election in Germany. He was appointed by President Hindenburg to be Vice Chancellor of Germany as a way to appease the Nazi Party which Hindenburg and his cabinet viewed as a serious threat. Unfortunately, that backfired on Hindenburg when the Reichstag was burned down (some believe by the Nazi's themselves) and Hitler, blaming the Communists, demanded that Hindenburg impose Martial Law. About a year later, when Hindenburg was on his deathbed, Hitler declared himself Fuhrer. The rest, as they say, is history.

Nancy in NC| 11.14.12 @ 6:54AM

I've been watching AS for a week, waiting for your response to this election, Quin. It's been worth the wait.

I, along with many other AS readers, am aware of everything you wrote in this brilliant piece, but unfortunately, most Americans are not, and getting them to believe the uncomfortable truth is impossible. I have written many of the things you wrote here to my local newspaper only to be called the most vile of names by other readers.

Truth, honesty, and decency are so far removed from American society that many refuse to believe what they don't want to believe, and no amount of facts will convince them otherwise.

But, Quin, we must keep banging that drum, long and loudly. We do so in the off chance that one mind is receptive to the truth. Our best hope are our children and grandchildren. They need to be armed with the ability to deal with the offspring of the Sandra Flukes and obamaphone women.

Thanks for a great piece.

Von Mises Jr| 11.14.12 @ 8:19AM

I am afraid that trying to educate those not educable or willfully ignorant is a fool’s errand. One must understand that Hayek wrote in "The Road to Serfdom" that in centrally planned economies, government must pick winners and losers.
The winners are government and their employees, crony capitalism, unions and the welfare state. The losers are small businesses, property owners everywhere, and especially those "clinging to their guns and religion" that are supposed to pay much higher taxes for the benefit of the former.
The solution is starting to play out right in front of our eyes. While the Democrats were able to steal key states in the election with early voting and vote fraud (Allan West District had 140% D turnout and over 100 Districts in Philly and Cleveland voted over 99% Obama), the rest of those states and the country are not going to sit by and take it.
In New Jersey, average property taxes are in the $10-12K ranges to pay for the vast welfare state and corruption. In SC, TN or KY you can get the same size house and similar services for $1-2K. At what point will the good people of the latter tell the mooches and crooks in the former to take a flying jump at a rolling donut. Methinks TX is getting close and 30 states in all are not amused.

Al Adab| 11.14.12 @ 10:24AM

Whether the re-election of a central planner type "dooms" America is not exactly the question. Something called America will certainly survive. However, both in its geography and its philosophy, it will liklely be most different from what we have known throuhout our lives.

We have entered a period in which the promise of subsistence has taken priority in the public mind over the potential of success. Risk avoidance is the primary concern. A guranteed little is better than taking the risks needed to achieve a lot. Material well being is preferred to Liberty.

The recent book by Colin Woodard, American Nations, examines the several socio-cultural areas of the country. Many of those find expression in voting patterns. There is no certainty that the United States will continue to occupy the same geographic areas it currently does.

What has in fact taken place is the selection by the voters of a Social-Welfare State model over the former model of free markets and personal Liberty. Call it the "We were better off in Egypt" (as slaves) scenario. What is doomed, is the cultural preference for Liberty over materialism and a moral imperative over relativism. The future is not a pretty place.

Alan's Girl| 11.15.12 @ 1:41PM

Our Governor may say publicly that secession is not in Texas' (immediate) future, but the petitions are full & ready to go to the WH for a response. Texans are fed up & vocal. We have the resources to be self-sufficient. In all my years (more than I care to reveal), I have NEVER heard the word, "secession' spoken as often & as fervently. As my buddy, Lyle Lovett says, "That's right, you're not from Texas, but Texas wants you anyway!" Hurry, before we close the borders.

Pete Esq| 11.15.12 @ 9:50PM

What a laugh. Texas is self-sufficient? There are 15 military bases in Texas, five them being major bases. The Johnson Space Center is in Texas, as are hundreds of contractors working for the Department of Defense and NASA, and Homeland Security. Over $200 Billion is spent every year by the federal government in Texas. Leave the Union, and let the feds take all that spending out of Texas and then tell us how self-sufficient Texas is now. Please, rants like this by conservatives make us viewed as nut jobs by the rest of the nation. We need to lose crap like this that isn't even remotely connected to reality.

Quin Hillyer| 11.14.12 @ 11:51AM

Thanks, Nancy!

John786| 11.14.12 @ 7:04AM

A rant dressed up as an article. From the same people who predicted a landslide victory for Romney. So obviously they can't possibly be wrong. In this fairy land, the American people, have not just reelected Br. Obama, by a landslide in the electoral college. Is that a mandate I see? Looks like a duck...

Nancy in NC| 11.14.12 @ 7:29AM

Just a shame so many Americans are as ignorant as you.

However, I will still fight for your right to be foolish and say foolish things. I wonder if you would do the same for me.

chuck| 11.14.12 @ 8:18AM

He's a muslim! Fight for your rights? He'd have you dressed in a burka, with your "lady parts" removed, because you know women are not allowed to enjoy sex, and all your rights removed as well.

Oh, and by Allah, should you be raped, you must be stoned to death because you are now an embarrassment to your family!

John786 is an idiot who wants to destroy what this country was founded on.

Just like "our Dear Leader".

John786| 11.14.12 @ 8:48AM

Its views like these that lost you the election. You can fool some of the ....

Alan| 11.14.12 @ 8:56AM

No, muzzie, its idiots like you who won the election. Bewarned, muzzie, the muslim alliance with leftists will come back and bite your @ss when its time to divide up the spoils.

vtwin| 11.14.12 @ 9:27AM

Alan, just a friendly reminder, we haven’t received a list of property holdings from you.

Alan| 11.14.12 @ 10:14AM

Heres another friendly Reminder, it won't be me that conducts a free property removal by a mob at your house, they will be your brethren, welcome them in.

Anthony| 11.14.12 @ 10:48AM

Hey vtwin, now that California's massive unfunded public sector pensions are about to go belly up, I'd be worried about getting a letter from Moobeams asking for your property holdings. How much is that tricycle of yours worth?
Let's hope those lefty 1%ers in San Fran have to scramble for their lives when the unions come for their loot.
Hey vtwin, what exactly do lefty 1%ers use for protection, other than condoms?
This is gonna be fun to watch!!

Oldefarte| 11.14.12 @ 12:22PM

Do you work for Eric @ Justice possibly??????

John786| 11.14.12 @ 9:36AM

Thats you off the spoils list, mr Alan. I may consider adding you back in if you Beg while dressed as the back end of a pantomime horse. Yeh, my cruelty has no bounds!

Alan| 11.14.12 @ 10:16AM

Just remember that when the rear end of the pantomine horse is stuffing a ham down your throat.

chuck| 11.14.12 @ 11:05AM

John786,

Just what part of my comment is FACTUALLY INCORRECT?

Female genital mutilation? Burkas? Killing rape victims? Maybe killing girls who DARE to want an education?

You Muzzies are sick. Beneath the level of animals.

TLP| 11.14.12 @ 5:12PM

A Pagan Religion, worshipping a Pagan Moon God of Death, who like to read PORN, when nobody's looking.

vtwin| 11.14.12 @ 9:21AM

Muslims stone to death rape victims, Republicans suggest we probe rape victims vaginas. It’s nice to know women have choices.

junkyard infidel| 11.14.12 @ 11:41AM

is the vtwink afraid of getting probed ?

Oldefarte| 11.14.12 @ 12:20PM

May I suggest a CROWBAR??????????

Anthony| 11.14.12 @ 12:33PM

Don't you worry your pretty lit'le head vtwin, when the California mobs come for you, a probing is the least of your concerns.
Those Oakland gangs are itching for some lefty 1%ers loot. I understand they love to torture rich white leftists, but they don't offer choices as to their methods.
Oh well, ta ta vtwin.

Ana| 11.15.12 @ 3:32AM

When the shyte comes down the pike I can just hear all the lefty's screaming 'But I voted for Obama, I voted for Obama.' Like that's gonna save their ass. LOL!

Occam's Tool| 11.14.12 @ 6:05PM

vtwin: stoning is far worse. Sorry. It is. And the Muslims also do "virginity checks."

By the way, a forensic rape evaluation is pretty damn invasive anyway, far more so than the ultrasound probe. MDs know this, ya know. Look up what it entails, sometime. Samples intravaginal, samples intrarectal. For starters.

Nancy in NC| 11.14.12 @ 7:31AM

Typical liberal. Attack with no substance. Which part did you disagree? obama's record? obama's past?

You are a silly little man.

John786| 11.14.12 @ 7:50AM

I'm no silly. The article is silly. I've been called worse, as you will soon see! The GOP did not lose for technical reasons, as some would have you believe, but for reasons of substance. You can not dress up mutton as lamb. Its Hilary in 2016 are far more formidable apponent! Better start evolving fast.

Occam's Tool| 11.14.12 @ 6:07PM

John786, the Israelis have warned members of Hamas not to be seen for the next few days. You know, the guy who kidnapped Gilad Shalit just got blown up REEEEEEEAAAAAAALLLL Good. Aren't you afraid they might locate you, terrorist lover?

Ana| 11.15.12 @ 3:34AM

Ha, ha, ha. Hillary is going down with Bengazi. You'll see!
Martinez/Rubio 2016

Hawkfan| 11.16.12 @ 3:42PM

Apparently you can dress mutton as lamb. Unemployment still near 8% with record deficits and we re-elected this clown? Will we still be blaming Bush for another 4 years? Because the current administration has no chance of any significant reversal. They couldn't do anything the last 4 years aside from ramming unconstitutional legislation down our throats as well as circumventing congress and issuing executive orders. Unemployment likely to bottom out around 6.5% (my estimate) and then creep back up. And with new QE from the Fed inflation will be the next (2016's) president's job to deal with.

Jeff1000| 11.14.12 @ 7:31AM

Sure it was a mandate: it was a mandate, intentional or not, to allow Obama to fail utterly and completely, and to show everyone why American Marxism needs to be rejected, and to render impotent the excuse that he just needed "four more years". Without an Obama victory we could never purge ourselves of far-left ideology. Romney would have been a slow drip. With Obama back, the jig is up.

Hawkfan| 11.16.12 @ 3:43PM

You are probably correct.

Joellen| 11.14.12 @ 8:28AM

John 786 the perfect example of the intolerant/blind left. John786, can you argue one point Mr. Hillyer wrote - or are you just here to robotically respond the left's talking points? One argument would suffice.

HR| 11.14.12 @ 9:30AM

land·slide noun \ˈlan(d)-ˌslīd\

a : a great majority of votes for one side b : an overwhelming victory

Not quite, sir. Not quite.

John786| 11.14.12 @ 9:39AM

My response, two words: Electoral college. And there Sie, I rest my case.

George S| 11.14.12 @ 11:31AM

The individual electors in the Electoral College are not obligated per the Constitution to vote for Obama. Or for Romney.

Will you accept their ballots if they elect someone other than Obama? Why should Florida electors, for example, cast all ballots for Obama when he only won by 0.7%? That's practically a tie if you factor questionable ballots in south Florida, which the electors may consider.

That is the reason for the EC -- to factor out the irregularities of popular voting and vote counting. It is used as a guide to gauge the intent of the state's populaces.

Had Obama won by 10 million votes again, it wouldn't be an issue. But the vote was split down the middle so half the country has a right to be heard, no?

That's what we were lectured about in 2000. But not today. Why is that?

Quin Hillyer| 11.14.12 @ 11:52AM

No, I never predicted a landslide victory. At the very end I predicted a narrow win for Romney. I was dead wrong. But I never once said it would be anything but narrow, either way.

StanAmSpec| 11.14.12 @ 3:06PM

A landslide was Reagan Mondale, this was a strong victory electorally. But no mandate by votes, at all. About 400k votes separated Romney from victory in Electorally.

Fiscal| 11.14.12 @ 7:58AM

When are all of you going to realize that you live in a "chicken little" box talking to yourselves on partisan sites like this and Fox News? You are NOT living in the real world. You seem to be in this doom and gloom reactionary world that wants to reinstate the 50's.

If you actually studied history, you'd see reactions like yours in every election since the beginning of this republic. No President changed this country in a liberal direction more than FDR, but you seem to think that Obama is the worst? At best, he is center left. If you can't see that, you are just living in your echo chamber.

America is about the future, not the past -- so get over it. Stop complaining and work towards a better future. Get a positive attitude or you will never succeed in getting a smaller, and more conservative, country. All I see here at AmSpec is negativity. In the long run, that's the strategy of a loser, not a winner.

Obama is NOT going to ruin America! All of you are doing a better job than him at that with all of your ranting and conspiracy theories. If you want to ruin America, then try to put the Genie in the box and return us to the 50's and make us a Christian theocracy.

Alej| 11.14.12 @ 9:32AM

Good idea.

The 1850s.

Damn few flashmobs in those days.

Al Adab| 11.14.12 @ 1:33PM

Apparently the center has moved quite a bit since JFK proposed tax cuts and announced, "A rising tide lifts all ships". Trickle down if you will. Can we not rightly ask where does the center lie today? What policies define it? How should those policies be implemented? The answers define the divide among voters, parties and our society at large.

DRed| 11.14.12 @ 2:06PM

The top marginal tax rate when Kennedy proposed his tax cut was 91%. So yes, things have moved quite a bit since then.

Al Adab| 11.14.12 @ 2:34PM

True DRed:
Still, I did not say things, I said the center apperntly has moved. Certainly no one in the DEM party of today would propose such a cut. What should the top rate be? How do we justify tax rates at all which suppose somehow a dollar is different from some other dollar based on volume or source? Who gets to decide who has too much? Where was the center when JFK proposed his cuts? Where is the center today? Do social issues comprise a legitimate concern of government?

Well anyway, you get my drift.

DRed| 11.14.12 @ 3:08PM

If the top marginal tax rate today was 91% there are a huge number of Democrats that would propose a tax cut. The fact that Kennedy cut taxes and that Obama would like to raise some of them is not proof that the country has shifted left. Kennedy cut taxes because they were really high. Taxes right now are low.

JD| 11.14.12 @ 3:46PM

Actual taxes paid by the rich are higher now, DRed. That is a very inconvenient truth for you, which is why your side squawks endlessly about "marginal rates".

You insist that we talk about marginal rates and pre-tax income even as your party works tirelessly to make those numbers less and less represent what people actually have at the end of the day.

DRed| 11.14.12 @ 3:53PM

Well we're talking about raising marginal tax rates, so it seems like a relevant thing to discuss. What do you mean when you say 'actual taxes paid by the rich are higher now'? Mitt Romney, for example, pays a much lower share of his income in taxes than I do.

Ana| 11.15.12 @ 3:41AM

That's not true. Romney's has a low tax rate because he's paying taxes on interest and investment income.

Ana| 11.15.12 @ 3:38AM

By today's political standards, Kennedy would be a conservative.

handsoff| 11.15.12 @ 2:55AM

We have never been a Christian theocracy and the Constitution and the Bill of Rights aspired to liberty for all, and especially religious liberty.
You are correct about FDR, but returning to the 50's(was not the golden age) does not change the FDR ever increasing slide into socialism/communism and the erosion of liberty to the point almost of extinction. Even FDR didn't do what BO has done, increase the debt more than all the Pres before him, put every citizen under the medical control of the bureaucracy, and expand the executive branch's power to unheard of lengths, refuse to enforce duly passed legislation legislate by executive order more than anyone, like Carter, have such a weak and slanted foreign policy that Arab Muslims kill our ambassador diplomats with impunity among a very few of his transgressions against the Constitution. The lies-No Pres has lied about so many things so often & so blatantly as has BO. He has set us on the path of being subservient to the Middle East and under the thumb of the UN or have you not noticed the attempt to subvert the 2nd amendment by UN treaty?
BO is the symptom of the ruination of America. Left unchecked, BO will make US a weaker, Euro style socialist bankrupt has been.

Hawkfan| 11.16.12 @ 3:55PM

FDR was among the most, if not the most, unconstitutional president ever. Did you know he allowed large corporations to price fix? Did you hear about his administration's planned cities? He was a constitutional nightmare. Fortunately, we had a supreme court back then that upheld the constitution and found most of FDR's policies unconstitutional.

Fiscal| 11.14.12 @ 7:58AM

Continued...

If you want to help, spend your time making real conservatism appealing to the growing demographic groups. Don't live in this echo chamber and watch what they watch. Live among them on a DAILY basis. Don't pound them with the bible, that will only scare them away. Show them how being conservative works by helping them and showing that personal help is much more important than government help. How many of you work in black, Hispanic, communities? You can't expand conservatism by just talking to yourselves....

Joellen| 11.14.12 @ 8:35AM

Fiscal, first of all, how do you know what we are doing outside AS? You "preach" yet, you judge us.

Ruin America by returning to the 50's and making us a Christian theorcracy - so following JESUS CHRIST, HIS philosphy would destroy America! As opposed to Obama's leftist reign, where babies are aborted and if they survive are left to die in an isolated room. Or do you mean, where the family unit which has so been destroyed by the 60's movement, that the children of today walk around like zombies, this era is so much better than the "leave it to Beaver" era, where the children recited the Ten Commandments and the Pledge of Allegience?

Your warped set of values, Fiscal, are not what I wish to leave as my legacy, so dont force your intolerance on me or those like me, who refuse to lead this country down the gutter.

Fiscal| 11.14.12 @ 8:53AM

Intolerance? You'd better look in the mirror. You have the liberty to live YOUR life the way you wish. I'm not forcing my values on you because I do not want to restrict anyone. It is YOU that wants to restrict me. Your intolerance is destroying you -- and destroying liberty.

Joellen| 11.14.12 @ 9:10AM

Name my intolerance - my fight for LIFE, Liberty and Pursuit of happiness for all - is that it? Tell me how that restricts you? My fight is not a selfish fight Fiscal. I fight for those who are being denied the most precious gift, that of LIFE, so tell me ole wise one, how that restricts your life?

Fiscal| 11.14.12 @ 9:47AM

Your intolerance is the one that forces your view of religion on me. You want to protect YOUR definition of "life", not mine. Your intolerance forces you to think that only Christian doctrine is right and therefore all others are wrong and that YOU should use the government to FORCE that belief.

How is a loving homosexual couple hurting you? All they want is liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If you want to believe the way you do, that's fine and you should do so. I should have the liberty to do the same. You don't tell me how to live my life and I won't tell you how to live yours. Deal????

Al Adab| 11.14.12 @ 10:34AM

Fiscal:
Any other portion of the argument aside, your erstwhile couple already has the right to live as they choose. What they seek and what you confuse is the desire for State sanction of that life. There is a huge degree of differnce therein.

That said, moral relativism and the breakdown of a common cultural model is one factor driving the rush toward centralization which the late election demonstrates. If there exists intolerance at the State level it is promulgated by The Left which seeks to impose relativistic values for our once common ones. Frankly we could call this view a neo-pagan or even idolotrous one. Interestingly, it is here that my friend John and the Christian community find common ground.

If, as we believe, there exists a moral absolute, then government is obligated to respect it. That is a far cry from government choosing to impose any particular view. This is where the Libertarian error comes inhto play. Their fiscal policies are correct and their view of Liberty also, but it fails in the refusal to acknowledge that moral absolutes do exist. The battle is not between political parties as much as philosophical world views.

Fiscal| 11.14.12 @ 11:50AM

State sanctions go both ways. You want the State to sanction YOUR belief system. I don't want the State to sanction how I live. We rail against Muslim states but it seems you want the State to sanction your particular religious absolutism.

You have the right to believe in moral absolutes -- but that doesn't make it right. Part of morality is acceptance.

By the way, the rush towards centralization has little to do with a common cultural model. The cultural model is a result of the longer term anthropological trend away from a self-reliant agrarian society to a specialized urban society where individual are less reliant on the family.

Yes, as data oriented individual, I'm a proud relativist. Claiming that your BELIEF is what our society should become is dangerous.

Al Adab| 11.14.12 @ 1:12PM

The point my friend, for we agree on much policy, is that there existed once a moral consensus within this society. That has broken down as has the once common family structure. The reasons are debatable but the fact is what drives most social issues today. In truth most social issues would not exist were the consensus still intact. Whether it is possible to derive a new consensus through policy or whether it must derive from other sources remains to be seen. I do not believe the desirablility of a common culture, rather than the worship of "Diversity" for its own sake, is denied in the main.

Fiscal| 11.14.12 @ 2:20PM

The genie is out of the bottle and you can't go back. Looking backwards is not the answer. The social issues of the Republican party are preventing good fiscal policy from being a majority view. The social issues are also dumbing down the party on issues of science and economics. When I first became a Republican, it was the party of intellect. Now it is the party of denial and ideology.

StanAmSpec| 11.14.12 @ 3:12PM

Good fiscal policy isn't worth much without freedom. And the Left is attacking religious freedom via homosexuality. Freedom of speech, assembly, conscience will be destroyed with the lever of social issues. Perhaps not by you, but in CA homosexual propaganda is part of school curriculum, removing Boy Scouts from public places, etc. Next? Saying homosexuality is a sin will be "hate speech".

Fiscal| 11.14.12 @ 4:26PM

Let me get this straight.... you attack religious freedom by letting others do what they think is right? No one is "attacking" your freedom. You are attacking their liberty. They do not want to limit your right to worship as you wish. That is the propaganda. There is nothing wrong with homosexuality in the PUBLIC square. There is nothing wrong with talking about homosexuality in schools -- you can teach your children that it exists but is wrong in your church. On the other hand, removing any group from public places is limiting their liberty even if they are religious in nature. I would also have no problem with Bible studies in public schools after the school day ends as with any other after school club.

Homosexuality is a sin to YOU, and you have a right so say so. For it to be "hate speech", it would have to lead to some hate action that is criminal in nature.

TheGr8Goat| 11.15.12 @ 1:25AM

Nothing wrong with it...except the Bible says to put them to death. But, hey, it's just an outdated old document like the Constitution, right?

handsoff| 11.15.12 @ 3:12AM

Do you really believe that homosexuals demanding special rights is NOT attacking my religious liberty? If I do not hire someone in my church who happens to be homosexual, I get sued and the Feds violate my liberty religious and otherwise as me violating the "civil rights" of homosexuals.
Christians are prevented from using public buildings and having meetings in public buildings all the time, while homosexuals are encouraged to have publicly sanctioned groups. There are bills before various government entities to add mandatory classes in the desirability of homosexual orientation to 1-3 elementary grades. I tolerate homosexuality; I will not tolerate it usurping my liberty by the granting of special rights. I will not tolerate homosexuality being forced down my throat, so to speak, by mandated teaching in the elementary schools and granted protected status in employment and pay.

handsoff| 11.15.12 @ 3:13AM

It already is.......

handsoff| 11.15.12 @ 1:06PM

Sorry should have said saying homosexuality is a sin is already hatespeak, according to homosexuals and many laws, and most liberal trolls on conservative sites.

Joellen| 11.14.12 @ 5:57PM

Tell me Fiscal, why is it ILLEGAL to abort puppies in a dog's womb but LEGAL to murder babies in a mothers womb? How in any sane world does that make sense? You are 100% right that I am secure in my faith and that I accept black and white absolutes. So to do so, it is my moral duty to fight to end the illmoral act of the murder of unborn babies - for to not do so, is as morally wrong to fight for the right for one to own a slave. In other words, Fiscal, to be indifferent to evil is evil. In the end Fiscal I wont be answering to you, I will be answering to JESUS CHRIST. Guess which one of you I wish to serve?

handsoff| 11.15.12 @ 4:00AM

You have it backwards fiscal. It is the abortionists who have forced their views on the nation. Since the beginning of this country, there have been laws against abortion, independent of religion. Since 1850's, most of the states and territories had anti-abortion laws. When the SCOTUS struck down the Texas statutes, over 21 states still had those laws. The majority violated the rules of the court in striking down all statutes. Read Rhenquist's dissent. It is a masterpiece of simplicity and law and history.
We antiabortionists don't want the government forcing a minority atheistic belief on us. We are not using the government to force a Christian doctrine; we just don't want the government forcing any contrary belief on us.
It is not a matter of tolerance or intolerance-that is a false dichotomy and illogical and irrationality.
Homosexuals have all the rights anyone has. Giving them special rights, or more rights is them using the government to force their beliefs down my throat, so to speak.
I will tell you that you cannot steal, murder, rape or have unlimited irresponsible sex, just because you believe that it is your right to live your life as you choose, nor will I allow you to force your beliefs on me using the government because you have a false sense of intolerance. DEAL????

Lullabys Legends and Lies| 11.14.12 @ 9:04AM

Fiscal, you're right about one thing, they only way to change Liberals/Democrats is to talk to them directly about what they believe in (or what they think they believe in)!! So I pick out the Liberals in my Company/Battalion all the time, and I hit them with body blows day after day, about what's wrong with liberal ideology, and what's right about conservative policies, and most of the time I waste my time arguing with them, but sometimes I can see the light go off inside their brains, and I know I reached them, and that's why I never stop doing it!! And over my years in the Army, I've change quite a few of them, I'm just trying to save one Democrat at a time, it's my mission!! So you're right, talking only to Conservatives is like talking to yourself in the mirror, you're not winning over anybody, speaking to the already converted!!

Fiscal| 11.14.12 @ 9:54AM

I don't try to "change" anyone. Labeling people as "liberals" or "conservatives" is the problem. If you call Obama a "marxist" or a "socialist", then you'll never convince anyone to change. I deal with the issues and discuss that with them. Small government makes sense. Liberty and self reliance makes sense. While I'm probably more fiscally conservative than any of you, I don't call myself a "conservative" because that label has been corrupted by the religious right. I can't call myself a "libertarian" because that party has a radical anarchist agenda and I do believe that government has some function.

I post at this site because it is conservatives that need to evolve so that fiscally sound principles can be implemented. All I see here is hatespeak. That needs to change.

Tom Kyba| 11.14.12 @ 11:05AM

You post at this site because the sites that reflect your ideology are filled with sub-morons and you can't get any thrill from reading garbled attempts at communication from your own people. So first you lie about your motivations, as all liberals do 24/7, then you state that you don't try to change anyone, after which you conclude your self-serving diatribe by stating "All I see here is hatespeak. That needs to change". Thank you for displaying your two faces along with your abject cowardice.
Antonym of the day: liberalism/maturity.

Fiscal| 11.14.12 @ 11:54AM

Only a moron would call logical argumentation "sub-moron". Am I a social liberal -- yes, I have not "lied" about that. Am a fiscal conservative? You betcha!! I don't post at Libertarian sites because their extremism makes them irrelevant. Government is a balance, not an absolute. And that, my friend, is the mistake you make.

handsoff| 11.15.12 @ 3:41AM

Logical argumentation? When you make a blanket statement that "all" you see here is hatespeak, you defeat your contention that you engage in logical argumentation.
Your opinions are not logical argumentation, though some of what you post might be opinions I would share if you did not come across as a liberal trying to hide liberalism.

Ralph Novy| 11.14.12 @ 6:19PM

If you're looking for rational discussions of "conservative" versus "liberal" analyses/approaches to current pressing issues, boy have you come to the wrong place!

There are a FEW contributors here capable of that, but most come here to vent and circle-jerk.

Yes, this is a place dominated by hatespeak.

TLP| 11.14.12 @ 6:25PM

Shouldn't you be somewhere else, putting Vaseline on your ass?

Ralph Novy| 11.14.12 @ 10:20PM

See what I mean, Fiscal?

Good luck dealing with these nasty knuckle-draggers.

LOL

handsoff| 11.15.12 @ 3:44AM

TLP, you do yourself no favors and you offend me and many other conservatives with your profane, uneducated and ugly comments. You give the liberals cause to believe conservatives are idiots like you.

Occam's Tool| 11.16.12 @ 6:50PM

KY jelly tends to be more easily washed off, TLP. Of course, I note this in my capacity as an MD...:-)

handsoff| 11.15.12 @ 3:14AM

You are a prime example of hatespeak......

Bob Grant| 11.14.12 @ 8:45AM

Perhaps a poll is in order on what will be the most dangerous aspects of Obama Unleashed, The Second Term?

My vote?

Court Packing: The damage this man will do to the federal courts will be catastrophic. Dozens and dozens of brand new extreme left federal court judges. What's worse, by the time he leaves office he will leave us an Obama Supreme Court; five obama-appointed supreme court justices.

Catastrophic!

Kingofthenet| 11.14.12 @ 11:16AM

Oh, you think President Obama is going to 'leave' office...how sweet!

Oldefarte| 11.14.12 @ 12:18PM

Why would/should he"leave" [insuating voluntarily of course] after he has successfully CAPTURED it??????????

Al Adab| 11.14.12 @ 1:29PM

Imagine it O/T:
Justice Clinton (either one or both) and Justice Holder, how wonderful.

Also remember near the end of Clintons second term the trial balloon of repeal the XXIInd came out. Do you think they are unlikely to try that again?

Al Adab| 11.14.12 @ 1:30PM

Sorry that's to you O/F

Oldefarte| 11.14.12 @ 3:46PM

Hellfire, AA, if they'll try Susan Rice at State, they'll try anything!!!!!!!

Hawkfan| 11.16.12 @ 4:12PM

Agreed! 4 years of more Obama we can survive. A SCOTUS packed with justices who will push a more liberal view of the constitution for the next generation with consequences potentially for the life of the nation (which may well be shortened because of it) we cannot. At least not in a form recognizable to anyone currently living.

JimH| 11.14.12 @ 8:54AM

Obama is a symptom of the underlying problem, not the cause.

handsoff| 11.15.12 @ 3:17AM

Symptom evolving to cause...never ending....

Nigel Tufnel| 11.14.12 @ 9:19AM

As you said, they play for keeps. The American People have spoken on this - we're not fixing this unless everything collapses a la 1979.

Derek Leaberry| 11.14.12 @ 9:19AM

Lindsay Graham, John McCain and John Boehner plan on joining forces with evil by forcing amnesty down the throats of the country. America will be Brazilianized and molded into a Third World nation. There is no future for current American nation.

SUBVET| 11.14.12 @ 10:26AM

Derek..........that would be called a NWO.

Read the book "Hope of the Wicked" by Ted Flynn

Al Adab| 11.14.12 @ 1:19PM

NWO? Do you mean "Novus Ordo Seclorum" as it says on our dollar bills, the great seal of the US?

Just being a smart alec. The breakdown of the cultural consensus which once maintained across and throughout the country is the source of much of the disputes and the origin of social issues as political ones.

Harry the Horrible| 11.14.12 @ 9:34AM

No.
The people who voted for Obama doom America.
The people who watched incuriously as massive vote fraud (99%+ votes for Obama in precincts; over 100% of the registered voters in the precincts voting; military votes suppressed) was perpetrated doom America.
Obama, by himself, is nothing.

gene| 11.14.12 @ 9:51AM

Twenty years before I was born, Corporal Shicklegruber came to power under a different name - Hitler. He stated publicly what he intended to do, lied when it was convenient, and no one believed him when he said he would annihilate all the Jews in Europe. He did exactly what he said he would do and people sat on their hands. During my lifetime I heard Arafat state PUBLICLY to the PLO that "peace" for him meant the destruction of Israel. He received the Nobel Peace Prize.
Does anyone care about the truth anymore or is it all Ideology? We will not survive another 4 years of President Obama. That is a cold harsh fact. As cold and harsh as when Churchill told the Chamberlain followers that they will have neither honor nor peace - but war.
Very simple and clear.

Alan| 11.14.12 @ 10:26AM

Thats why history repeats itself, its forgotten by suceeding generations that have to relearn it the hard way. The pool of ignorants is as deep as the Pacific Ocean and thats a lot of truth vacuum for truth manipulators to work with.

PageOneDaily | 11.14.12 @ 10:06AM

Absolutely right. A great column. How do we fight back?

If the electoral process in now totally rigged (which it is) and if nobody - not even Republicans - is willing to remedy that, what options are open to us?

Louis Jenkins| 11.14.12 @ 10:35AM

Regardless of whether or not you agree with Obama, one thing for sure, he will not waste time this four years. Get ready people!! If you're not ready for the cataclysmic president to tear down what is left, then you're backing up. Everyone wants to fight back. Well, you're not going to have the were-with-all to even strike up a poor tune. You will be destitute, poor, with bad health care, and hungry. Your children will ask for something to eat and all you will have will be scorpions. You people who voted for obama will be in the same boat. All the jubilation will turn to tears and as you vomit, the dogs will scurry to get their mouthful. Be ready folks, hard times are not far off.

Purp| 11.14.12 @ 2:30PM

You have already lost and you don't know it. That's sad... resistance is futile - you will be assimilated, or disposed of.
The Time of Joy has arrived just in time to celebrate the Birth of Christ.

Oldefarte| 11.14.12 @ 3:49PM

That is blasphemous mentioning Christ in the same breath with the BLACK JESUS!!!!

Purp| 11.14.12 @ 7:51PM

I didn't say that - oh, but look-see - you did! Hahaha, what a blasphemous mental midget!

Immutable| 11.15.12 @ 7:32AM

Purp, my 2% earner friend, you are in no position to make such threats, though they are entertaining. Sounds like something from a James Bond movie, seriously. "resistance is futile - you will be assimilated, or disposed of." Is that in your best Darth Vader voice? chuckle

To those that hold the power and money in this country, you are as disposable and insignificant as the rest of us. Don't kid yourself into believing otherwise. The best thing you can do for yourself is start learning to take care of yourself should the need arise. The government doesn't care about you. There isn't a politician on this planet who is going to ride in and save you when the poop hits the fan. You aren't that important and you certainly aren't of any value to them, or most other people for that matter.

Louis Jenkins| 11.14.12 @ 10:37AM

PS: no one is mentioning the UN Small Arms treaty. Why? Are you guys too busy to write about it?

handsoff| 11.15.12 @ 3:20AM

I did Louis in many posts. HilBil is a prime mover on that one to subject the US to the UN. That will really screw us.

Riff Raff| 11.14.12 @ 10:53AM

"Does Obama Doom America?"

To pose the question is to answer the question.

Petronius| 11.14.12 @ 11:00AM

Much as I hate to agree with George Will about anything, he was spot on about the beltway establishment when he said, "there will be no change for the better until These people are GONE."

Ralph Novy| 11.14.12 @ 6:24PM

And it doesn't faze you that HE is one of the main pillars of that "beltway establishment"?

Kingofthenet| 11.14.12 @ 11:07AM

Yes the President and his 'minions' are up to something, but darned if i can tell what. In fact the President just gave the Republican senior leadership some 'Friendship' rings, hi quality stuff, said to be made in a volcano in Hawaii.

Oldefarte| 11.14.12 @ 12:14PM

Yeah, the bullexcrement that flows forth from his oraface would amply supply a manure factory for a decade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oldefarte| 11.14.12 @ 11:22AM

GD! I am simply blown away by this editorial! Quin, this is by far your very best! Thank you! I cannot comment further, since there is nothing left to say [this says it all on one page]. May the Almighty help us all now, as there is no other One capable of doing so after 11/6/12!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Purp| 11.14.12 @ 2:28PM

HE is why you lose. You don't see the damage you do with attitudes such as his and yours apparently.
You hasten your end and I will thoroughly enjoy, altho somewhat sadly, your demise. You have only many farts left, OLD.

Oldefarte| 11.14.12 @ 3:53PM

No fool, we all lose together, as gold will follow excrement down his toilet of domestic terrorism. His is not "damage" but rather TRUTH, but as Jessup of A FEW GOOD MEN said prophetically....YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!

Purp| 11.14.12 @ 7:53PM

You're just as delusional as Jessup of A FEW GOOD MEN - and, btw, he went to jail, nutball.

Simon Templar| 11.14.12 @ 11:32AM

Quin, you have snatched the pebble from the hand.
You get it, all of it. Congratulations, now you are ready to fight and know what you are fighting.
Let's roll.

Al Adab| 11.14.12 @ 2:38PM

Carthago delenda est. And let us not forget that Cato (the younger) chose to die rather than submit to the tyranny of Caesar

Who Knows?| 11.14.12 @ 11:40AM

Lincoln freed the slaves.

He also had something to say about fooling people. This quote has, for too long, been in need of exposing as the fraud it is---what a sin of omission!

Obama proves you CAN fool enough of the people enough of the time to get your way. And, it doesn’t hurt that you can stuff not only ballot boxes, but most vitally, in an ongoing way, also blank minds in all the “schools” controlled by your socialistic or communistic enablers.

It’s back to the same old political problem.

The jackass party has an almost insuperable advantage. They don’t have to follow ANY laws, while the GOP is founded on being good little boys and girls, as THEY do---proof positive was Boehner being “truthful”, when he admitted Obamacare was the LAW of the land, after all.

How can the law and order party combat the party that is now almost totally in charge of the lawmaking, law enforcing, and law judging systems?

Badges, we don’t need …

“Fool, if you think it’s over..”---sing it, FOOLS!

To only THINK you’re free, when you are truly a slave to the mind controlling apparatus led by the MSM---why, isn’t that called delusion?

Mothers teach children to look both ways before crossing a street. When it comes to politics, though, mother has been usurped by the MSM.

Purp| 11.14.12 @ 2:39PM

Obama was crystal clear in what he wanted to do, what he has done, and what he plans to do - and you call everyone that supports him a fool? Easily fooled? Who the hell are you to judge? Dittoheads all.
It is you and your Conservadums that believe the tripe spewed every night by Fox and Rush and others. It has given you a false sense of reality and doomed you to frustration, loss, fear, and hatred. They were wrong, they are wrong about America, and by extension, you are completely wrong.
The votes confirm this, and yet you still don't get it.

It's not a damn game - it's your, no our country at stake and you would tear her down to make a point?
Kids need to be educated, it is our responibility to them. the Elderly need to be cared for, they paid for it, they earned it, they deserve it. The military needs our support before, during and AFTER a war. We need to rebuild our infrastructure. We need a strong military and diplomatic corps. We need to resolve the immigration issue. Women need to take their place alongside men as equals. We need a lot of services, like FEMA, FBI, CIA, FDIC, SEC, FDA, USDA, etc.
And, we need to PAY for it all.
Step up to the plate, man up and provide your share.
Stop sniveling, sniping, whining like some 2 year olds that don't get their way. Until you do, you will not win elections. And you don't deserve to.

Oldefarte| 11.14.12 @ 3:56PM

It was once said of Democrats that.....FOOLS OF A FEATHER FLOCK TOGETHER !!!!!!!!!

Paul McGrath| 11.14.12 @ 4:05PM

Crystal clear as to what he wanted to do? He said in 2008 that he wanted to reduce the debt. He DID NOT say in 2008 one word--nothing--about an 800 billion dollar stimulus plan. If he had, he would have lost to the pathetic McCain.

In the most recent campaign he didn't say anything about anything. Nothing about the debt, nothing about taxes--except that he wants to raise them on the "rich"--nothing about spending, nothing about Medicare, nothing about social security, nothing about tax policy, nothing about food stamps, nothing about unemployment, nothing about the dismal state of the economy. He offered no plan, no ideas, nothing. Nothing about anything.

So tell me, assface, what is his mandate?

Purp| 11.14.12 @ 7:57PM

To shove his shit down your throat until you love his shit pie.
You know nothing, so nothing is all you can say.

Now, when you can be civil and not call anyone names, and act like a man, not a sniveling little adolescent, i'll give you a cogent response. You don't deserve one now.
No wonder you lost the Presidency.

Immutable| 11.14.12 @ 8:49PM

I'm asking for a cogent response, my 2% earner friend.

Paul McGrath| 11.14.12 @ 10:11PM

I am sorry to have called you assface. But your response is yet another reason that I will lose sleep tonight. You are proof that we have become a barbaric society.

"Shit down my throat." "Shit pie." "Sniveling adolescent." I guess you win this one.

Congratulations.

handsoff| 11.15.12 @ 3:33AM

Purp This is what you call civility? Another proof of the stupidity, irrationality and illogic of the left.

handsoff| 11.15.12 @ 3:29AM

Women don't need to take their place as equals. We have been more than equal all along. I don't want equal pay, I want pay based on my ability, which is for the most part, in several fields, greater than most men. I object to "equality". I will not be dragged down to the lowest common denominator by this false definition of equality. We are equal in rights, but that does not mean we are guaranteed equal outcomes, or equal abilities. The idea of social justice or equality as espoused by intellectual lightweights (liberals, socialists, communists) is absurd.
I do NOT need or want FBI, CIA, FDIC, SEC and especially not the corrupt FDA and USDA and I am tired of paying for the fools that kill people or do you not know how deadly the FDA is?

Hawkfan| 11.16.12 @ 4:20PM

Um....the Obama supporters are the fools. From Obama: "If I don't have this done in three years, then there's going to be a one-term proposition". Not even close to being 'done' yet there he sits again in the Oval Office. What next, another 4 years of blaming Bush? (Not that George doesn't deserve a lot of blame.)

justlyso| 11.14.12 @ 11:41AM

We are not finished and must continue fighting. The hoplites (farmers) of Athens fought Sparta with a battle formation that crowded and forced the front line into battle and when the first line fell then the next came up. First we must remove Boehner as speaker. Call every Republican congressman and ask them to remove Boehner. We must push and along with that we don't want Cantor or McCarthy. Boehner breaks and runs and Obama then demands 1.6 trillion in new taxes on top of the Obamacare taxes. Continue the fight or break and run.

Purp| 11.14.12 @ 2:26PM

Still won't listen to the American people, will you? You will go the way of the buggy whip.

Oldefarte| 11.14.12 @ 3:58PM

THELMA & LOUISE clasped hands inside the T-Bird and thereafter drove off of the cliff.......enjoy your journey!!!!!!!!!!!!

Purp| 11.14.12 @ 7:57PM

HA! You're going with, so you first, FART.

SukieTawdry| 11.14.12 @ 11:48AM

Seems to me they already have succeeded. The American public had a chance to "rouse itself" in the last election. It chose somnolence and to turn a blind eye. There's no "fix" unless and until a majority of Americans decide they prefer liberty, independence and self-determination to government largess. Can it still happen? Sure. Will it happen? Gets more doubtful every day.

After all, it's not as though we weren't warned it would eventually come to this. Human nature is what it is. This is the way Republics die. Europe was able to build and sustain its social democracies because the US stood like a behemoth above it all, our military protecting their sovereignty and our vibrant economy masking their structural economic deficiencies. But now we no longer are the behemoth, Europe is failing and the future is considerably dimmed.

Perhaps our last best hope is to allow the fiscal and societal collapse for which we seem inexorably headed while there is still something left on which to rebuild.

Zeppo| 11.14.12 @ 11:54AM

There's a great deal of ruin in a nation. Don't hold your breath waiting for a collapse. But I think that the GOP is doomed. This mess has been years in the making and 0bama hardly deserves all the "credit."

Bob Grant| 11.14.12 @ 12:55PM

Sure, republicans deserve credit for some of this but let's never forget:

Dems drive the ills of our country
Reps go along at times.

Purp| 11.14.12 @ 2:25PM

Ills? Like what?
Aid to Education? The Middle Class? American Manufacturing? Science? Research? Strong Military? Diplomacy with the World around us? Care for the Poor, Disabled, Elderly and Infirm?

Reagan and his tax and borrow ("Deficits Don't Matter") policies destroyed this country's middle class, it has been in decline since his time.
The Bush Twins followed in his footsteps and nearly destroyed everything in America.

Obama and his policies are restoring the Shining City on the Hill. And you call that decline? Blame yourself and look at the error of your ways. Nothing you espouse as policies helps anyone but the wealthy or those who think exactly like you.

And that is why you will continue to lose to oblivion.

Bob Grant| 11.14.12 @ 2:45PM

Restoring WHAT Shining City on a Hill?

Give me one example of a successful liberal "Shining" City on a "Hill"? All I'm asking is ONE

Detroit? Atlanta? Stockton? Gary? Philadelphia? Newark? New Orleans? Cleveland?

What about states? California? Michigan? Illinois?

Even if you can name a shining liberal city or state, you need ECONOMIC GROWTH to fund it.....and no....you economic genius....1.2 percent growth will cut it.

How pathetic you are, and I sincerely hope you, your family, and friends suffer minimal pain because of your boy.

Bob Grant| 11.14.12 @ 2:47PM

Cor: wont cut it.

Purp| 11.14.12 @ 2:53PM

Hahaha ... America is THE Shining City on the Hill ... put down the dope pipe.
In an effort to provide windfalls and largesse to the wealthiest, Reagan and the Bushes crushed the rest of us with their DEBT and bad policies.
Clinton before him and Obama are reversing those policies and you don't see it. okay, keep voting Republican, it's what you do. LOSER.

Bob Grant| 11.14.12 @ 3:00PM

Nice dodge Perp.

I'll take you non-answer as a resounding NO.

Purp| 11.14.12 @ 8:00PM

Bob - if you're too stupid to understand the answer, that's your own problem, not mine.
Are you that stupid you don't know what Ronald Reagan meant by the "Shining City on the Hill"? And you call yourself a Republican? A Conservative?
No wonder you lost to Barack Obama.

handsoff| 11.15.12 @ 2:01PM

Purp, aid to education is an "ill" By any measure, educ spend. as it increases, grades, learning etc go down. The MC is harmed by Fed spending. Resrch & Sci spending is a joke-feds wasted most research grants on repeating studies ad nauseum on the effects of cocaine on gorillas.
Our military is not strong enough, and what spending on diplomacy? the 9bill given to mexican oil to drill in the Gulf, funds that were supposed to go to US companies to create jobs? Aid to Pakistan so they can harbor more terrorists? Wasted welfare and medicare and medicaid frauds in the billions......? How about billions given to noncitizens by the IRS for child tax cred for 20 fictitious children?
You are wrong about Reagan's policies..the proof is the growth & deficit reduction, which would have been greater if he had not "compromised" with the liberals to get anything off the ground.
You want to "help" elderly, infirm, disabled poor and the middle class?
Scrap the wasteful programs like Medicaid & Medicare and welfare....set up free clinics, give out vitamins and health education, do medical payments like EIC, establish HSA without needing high cost ins, encourage health not sickness.......
BO policies got an ambassador killed. He and Carter have that dishonor alone. Reagan restored us to world prominence. BO by his policies (trying to subsume us to the UN, make the US a bankrupt euro socialist country) has made of the shining city on a hill a soon to be smoking open pit mine.

Oldefarte| 11.14.12 @ 3:59PM

Read the DJIA of 11/7/12 and 11/8/12 for it fortold the eventual story. Prepare for 1/1/13 and thereafter!!!!!!!!!!!

Purp| 11.14.12 @ 8:00PM

It goes down after every Presidential Election, oh stupid one.

handsoff| 11.15.12 @ 1:21PM

The biggest one day drop post election and bigger each day bar one.....I lost 20% since the election....and yes, postelection, there is always a 1-2 day drop. This one is rather extreme and longer lasting. In addition, second terms of Dems at least, the stock market does not do well at all.
Since a large part of the middle class and seniors are invested in the market, largest % by far of any group, an increase in cap gains & div ∫ tax will hurt MC&seniors; the most. The rate now is double my ordinary rate. How is raising my taxes going to help anything? Do you not remember or know that lowering the div&capgain; rate was intended to, and did, encourage investment and savings and stock market growth, for the middle class?

handsoff| 11.15.12 @ 1:37PM

The middleclass is already taxed to death by Obamacare, and the expected rise in div/capgain tax, possible national sales tax. When the IRS was still publishing the facts of income and taxes (last was 2009 figures) the average income in the top 2% was $100k-which means the bulk of earners above 50k are in the top 2%.... Also in that year, there were only 323k people who filed tax returns with gross income before deductions of 1mill. If you took every dime those 323k made that year and every year, you would not fund BO's spending for a month.

JP Jones| 11.14.12 @ 11:54AM

its simple
we will survive Obama.

Look at history and I mean HISTORY!

Man has survived much worse than this guy.

Obama is a charismatic person who knows how to lie and he he does it very well.

He only gets 4 more years unless something happens and he has to resign early.

Maybe we can even gbet our stuff together and
take over the Senate in 2014 and prevent him from taking over the Supreme Court.

That's really the key here going forward.

fundamentalist| 11.14.12 @ 12:39PM

FDR made Obama look like an amateur. We survived FDR.

handsoff| 11.15.12 @ 1:32PM

The Constitution, our liberty did not exactly "survive" the start of the major slide into socialism and the bureaucratic tyranny. True, we are still breathing, but liberty is barely alive, much like a person who was deprived of oxygen by a carbon monoxide leak and kept alive on life support. Yeah, modern medicine, government control. We were frogs in a cold pot, heated so slowly that we are cooked before we realized the danger.
The US is about to be subsumed by the UN, thanks to HilBil clinton and BO, among other things.

jdondet| 11.14.12 @ 12:41PM

Mr. Hillyer, the man won! Where were all these concerned people on election day? Obama won by a good majority. Fight Back? Maybe it is time to just hold on to what you have. Fight back, with what? The House leadership? They have already thrown in the towel.

No, the problem is that a majority of the electorate, sees no problem here in the country. They just love it as long as they continue to get their 'free stuff.' So the sad truth about your article and others like it, its just background noise. Elections have consequences and we are stuck with this one. God gives us strength to endure.

Ronsch| 11.14.12 @ 1:52PM

When was the last time anyone was actually tried and convicted of sedition in the United States?

If you are seditious, Quin, then you are in good and rarefied company

Purp| 11.14.12 @ 2:18PM

So I guess you didn't vote for Obama? Hahaha ...
Your piece is so full of innuendo, conspiracy theories and lies it's hard to know where to start.

Your hatred and disgust is evident - and yet you still lost. Maybe it's you? Did you ever consider that? Perhaps having a black man as President is all that bad, now is it?
You give him no credit for any accomplishments - and that's were you go completely whacko. America agrees with me, not you. And not just over the President, but the Senate and the House and State Legislatures as well.
You were resoundingly thumped in the election and apparently are having a tough time dealing with it. Well, too bad. Grow a pair and admit you're wrong in all your gloom and doom rhetoric and stop propagandizing your people. You do them no service and are hurting them and your country in the long run.
Your hatred and vitriol for 4 years have gotten you nowhere, so why do you continue?
Do you actually believe the sputum you expel in words? Seriously?
60 million plus can't be all wrong, can they? Does it have to be 80 million next time for you to remove the 2x4 from your eye for you see? It's up to you.

Bob Grant| 11.14.12 @ 2:57PM

We agree! Apparently the majority of American People agree with you.

I'm not sure what the point is in pointing that out.

Tell ya what, Perp. If obama's policies can generate sustained GDP of a mere 4.00 without racking up trillion dollar deficits AND keep gas prices under 4.00 a gallon AND curb inflation, I will conceded we MIGHT be headed in the right direction.

Because we are nowhere near that, and never have been since he's been in office, I will continue to proclaim being right.

Purp| 11.14.12 @ 8:03PM

Stay tuned, the best is yet to come.
Since you never experienced the Great Depression, I will ignore your ignorance of what the economy and climate of such a time would be and the length of time it takes to recover from it.
The mistake the R's made was comparing the Great Recession to any other recession, when the true comparison was the Great Depression. Voters figured it out and you lost the economic argument. It's that simple.

Immutable| 11.14.12 @ 8:54PM

What would the economy and climate be of such a time as the Great Depression, Purp?

Bob Grant| 11.14.12 @ 9:01PM

Those are insipid obama talking points, nothing more.

So, if this is 1936 and obama wants "more time", I suppose he'll want yet another term, right?

And I suppose the obama-packed federal and supreme court will just rubber stamp this executive order, right?

And I suppose he's got this World War planned to FINALLY get us out of the "Bush Depression"?

Um boy. The future looks bright I gotta wear shades!!

Oldefarte| 11.14.12 @ 4:03PM

"You give him no credit for any accomplishments" ? Fool, did you not read Quin's editorial which detailed "him's accompolishments"????????

handsoff| 11.15.12 @ 2:09PM

Purp do you actually believe the sputum you expel in words? Seriously?
Hitler proved that the electorate people can be all wrong....As did Stalin, Lenin, among many others...
The majority of Americans cheered while FDR prolonged the Depression with bad spending policies, plunged us into WWII and bungled that and sent us down the rabbit hole with SS, expanded government and denigration of the Dec of Ind and the Constitution. He did one thing right-his radio prayer to God for the nation on the eve of war. Too bad THAT FDR did not run the country.

Datsun 2000 Mark| 11.14.12 @ 2:35PM

Quin,
"The fault dear Brutus lies not in our stars but in ourselves as underlings."
We'll need to take back the schools from the Indoctrination and Propaganda Ministers and then wait 20 years for a new educated Electorate.

Purp| 11.14.12 @ 2:54PM

Your problem is that you HAVE an ill-educated base. Propagandized for 30 years, and that is why you will continue to lose for years to come.

Datsun 2000 Mark| 11.14.12 @ 8:08PM

Thanks Purp.....good tidings and cheer to you all.

handsoff| 11.15.12 @ 2:28AM

Purp, it is the Dems base that is the most ill-educated. Public school government socialist union propaganda for almost 80 years has eroded the American mind. Some escaped, like Sowell, and the writer of this article and many of the voters who didn't vote for BO because they recognized the danger of a socialist/communist trained, unprepared, divisive, Constitution violating, intellectually weak, poorly educated (by his actions proved) prevaricator. We, the American people, have lost for years because of a poorly educated, socialist/communist propagandized populace.
One more fact-educational outcomes and student performance are in inverse proportion to Federal involvement in and spending on education.

Ana| 11.15.12 @ 3:26AM

We can't blame the Dems for this fiasco. The Dems did what they were supposed to do - support their choice. Unfortunately, the far right in this country once again sat out an election because Mitt Romney didn't have all the qualifications they required for their president. These people can't be appeased short of digging up Ronald Reagan's corpse and running it for office. I think we have no choice but to marginalize them and move more to the left to capture the vote, which also includes adding a Hispanic, and possibly a woman, to the ticket next time. How about a Suzanna Martinez/Marco Rubio ticket for 2016? Sounds great to me!!!

Hawkfan| 11.16.12 @ 4:30PM

True words. How do we get everyone to understand the truth? I'm afraid the Free Sh@$ Army now has the keys and won't care about the truth.

TLP| 11.14.12 @ 6:26PM

That's a Great Car.

onthewall| 11.14.12 @ 3:30PM

Look. America will survive. It's just going to be different. Very different. We survived Wilson, FDR, and LBJ. Except they wern't anti-American, except maybe Wilson. Problem is that they all laid the ground work. The infrastucture of liberal progressivism has been decaying the fabric of America for a hundred years, not just the last four. "Unsustainable" was the repub's manta in 2010-what did that gain? Nothing has changed. Medicare, SS, national debt-all are only worse off with no plans to change. The repubs will save nothing. C'mon they've passed CR's for three years to maintain the spending levels they deemed "unsustainable"! They are as problematic as the Dems. The stark difference now is the inherent anti-Americanism pointed out by the author. Four more years of Obama won't be stopped. Nothing damaging he does will be legislative, it will all be done administratively. Education, chronic unemployment, military moral, debt, deficit, taxation, regulation, redistribution and unconstitutionality will all only get worse. Worse by design. Its truly saddening. Unfortunately, the pre-existing decay has only been accelerated (too bad ObamaCare doesn't cover THAT).
When our children begin to recognize the futility of spending $1T annually to cover the debt interest payment, then, and likely only then, will change be demanded. But then......look at Europe.....what will their demands be?

Fiscal| 11.14.12 @ 4:31PM

Both liberals AND conservatives have created the debt. Prior to Obama, the two largest debt creators were Reagan and Bush II. No Republican will run on cutting Medicare (and it should be cut). In fact, they were railing against Obama for cutting $716 billion from Medicare. How does that work?

And Bush got us into two UNFUNDED wars and lied to us about the debt (and of course, WMD). It is not just liberal America -- it is the whole political class. Once you understand that there is little difference between elected Republicans and Dems, you can start addressing the problem.

onthewall| 11.14.12 @ 5:29PM

There is no defense for W. He's a preogressive establishment republican. His spending policies are clear evidence of that. Reagan can be defended in so much as his economic policies implemented tangible structural changes in entitlement spending and in tax policy. On the downside, he falls into the bi-partisan compromise conundrum. To gain the democrat coalition for passage of his legislative initiatives, he "compromised" and signed enormous spending initiatives for the democrats to please their constituancies. The unmistakeable result of bi-partisanship is debt.

spike59| 11.15.12 @ 5:54AM

"Look. America will survive. It's just going to be different. Very different."
-------------------------------------------------
Nice to see such confidenc, and i wish i could share in it; but there IS a 'tipping point', and i fear that, if we haven't reached it already with the re-election of the most incompetent President in memory, we will be there by 2016 when the usual suspects guilt the nation into electing Shrillary

Grzmlyk| 11.14.12 @ 4:37PM

Yes, America is doomed.

But it's not Obama that doomed us; he's a symptom. It's people like Purp, VTWIT, etc. who have destroyed this counry - the people who cannot see the truth and/or don't care about the turth. The corrupt, the stupid, the vain, the foolish, the envious and the greedy. The populace turning to shit has doomed us.

junkyard infidel| 11.15.12 @ 12:28AM

amen to that ! as the saying goes...ignorance is bliss. that's why vtwink, perp, and the rest of the liberal/progressive/democrat party of fisting sycophants are so happy about getting their mongrel (barry's word, not mine) messiah re-elected. these pathetic fools are ignorant of history and economically illiterate ! but fear not comrades, the new "twilight" movie is out and it's gonna be LIKE AWESOME !

onthewall| 11.14.12 @ 5:04PM

I'd submit that conservatives are not responsible for the debt. In fact those "establishment" pols, both repubs & dems are responsible. Lets not confuse a republican with a conservative. Both are cut from different clothe. Debt can most easily be summarized as the price of political bi-partisanship. Not conservative & liberal, but rather republican & democrat. Both sides "give" in a little in what is cast as "compromise". What they actually "give" is the taxpayer's money. The establishment pols all win, regardless of party. We are sold the narrative that bi-partisanship is required to bridge some ideological divide where everyone gets something they want. Thats true. Both ideologies end up with the taxpayer's money. Its an embarrassing scam. Gridlock is our freind. America requires true civil servants, not pols. How unfortunate for us all that the pols rule the roost.

Purp| 11.14.12 @ 8:04PM

Is Ronald Reagan a Conservative? He racked up the first Great Debt since WWII.

Paul McGrath| 11.14.12 @ 10:14PM

In part to build up defense. Which eradicated the Soviet Union. And within ten years the debt created under the Reagan administration was gone. Poof.

Now, Mr. Purp, what do you have to say about the Obama debt?

handsoff| 11.15.12 @ 2:17AM

onthewall, gridlock is our friend indeed. Congress was mandated to pass necessary laws to protect liberty, life and the pursuit of happiness. Obamacare is not a necessary law and destroys freedom of choice, the liberty to make our own healthcare decisions free from government mandates and bureaucratic tyranny. Medicare is the worst but will soon be folded into Obamacare, which is projected to be even worse. This social engineering through taxation has got to stop.

Janelle| 11.15.12 @ 1:17PM

Onthewall, bravo! One four year term for all and that's it. Add that any legislation must be written by Congressman, not "sponsored". Further add that all laws will apply equally to citizens and Congress with no exemptions. No matter whether you believe you are a democrat or a republican or anything else.....that should make everyone mad and not at other.

Janelle| 11.15.12 @ 1:36PM

Each other.

Rhoetus| 11.14.12 @ 11:46PM

Rules for Conservatives @
http://www.saveamericanow.us.com

Ana| 11.15.12 @ 3:20AM

Half the country already realizes that Obama doesn't like America and the Americans in it. The other half is going to wake up one day and be shocked to realize that he dislikes them just as much too.

spike59| 11.15.12 @ 5:57AM

IF that ever happens (which i doubt; after all, he WAS re-elected by a nation feeling the pain of the Prog/Social Democrat agenda) by then, it won't matter, will it?

spike59| 11.15.12 @ 5:51AM

not to don the tinfoil hat, but can anyone tell me what, if anything, this administration would do differently if they were DELIBERATELY trying turn the US into a Third World country?

TheRAndyGuy| 11.15.12 @ 3:01PM

All of this was true before the election, yet the American voters (those who chose to vote) decided to send him back for four more years. He will punish this nation by abusing the very processes and institutions designed to protect the public from governmental excess.

Wrongway| 11.15.12 @ 5:28PM

Scary times. I've been reading William Shirer's "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" and there are some almost unbelievable parallels between Hitler and Obama. Don't think so? Both had radical homosexual backing, both had logos, Obama's O/Hitler's swastika, both wrote out their plans in self absorbed screeds; "Audacity of Hope"/"Mein Komf". Don't forget Obama wants a national police force as powerful as the military. SS anyone?

Wrongway| 11.15.12 @ 5:30PM

I almost forgot: both were elected during tough economic times.

Wrongway| 11.15.12 @ 5:30PM

I almost forgot: both were elected during tough economic times.

Pete Esq| 11.15.12 @ 9:40PM

Quin, you should be ashamed of this column. Ridiculous screeds such as this are exactly what is wrong with conservative commentary. I am afraid that this kind of bunk will doom conservatives to be relegated as fringe wackos who spend their time concocting conspiracy theories and labeling their opponents instead of offering IDEAS and rational THOUGHt. Sedition? It was a damn election man. Get a friggin' grip.

Ralph Novy| 11.20.12 @ 11:50PM

"Does Obama Doom America"?

No.

Is there any part of that you don't get?

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