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Another Perspective
The First — or Last — Tytler Election
We’re all Greeks and Spaniards now.
It is said that just over 200 years ago, Professor Alexander Tytler wrote:
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves a generous gift from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years …
As is the case with many historic quotations, it has been disputed that Tytler used these exact words. However, he certainly said similar things, and in any case the authorship of the quotation has little to do with its validity.
The tendency to turn elections into an auction of promises to be paid for from the public treasury has been growing steadily for a long time — some would say at least since the birth of modern democracy in the late 18th century — that is, since a little more than 200 years ago.
The 2012 U.S. presidential election, however, might be said to be the first fought almost purely in accord with Tytler’s predictions. The victor hardly paid even lip-service to the problems of repaying public debt now grown to a literally incomprehensible sum. It was also highly significant, though it has not been politically-correct to mention the fact, that Obama’s vote came from, as well as socialists of various stripes, the least educated demographics.
Look further afield. The situation in Greece and other European countries provided a pointer — major and continuing rioting in protests against imposing even slight measures of fiscal discipline. Greece is America a few years on.
We have only seen one major instance of national bankruptcy in a large swathe of the developed world in relatively recent times: in Britain and Europe in the aftermath of World War II.
The greatest differences between then and now were that then the White Knight of the U.S. came forward with the Marshall Plan, and Germany, the economic and industrial heart of Europe, though greatly damaged by war and Nazism, still had a “tough” population — used to hard work, austerity and sacrifice. To varying degrees, so did the rest of Europe.
I have seen a photograph which I unfortunately did not keep record of: it was taken somewhere in Germany in about 1946.
It is a night-scene showing a vast factory, bombed, roofless, ruined, and dark: but not entirely dark. In one small corner of all that devastation a light is burning and a lathe is turning.
Here is another illustration of a national characteristic of toughness: 10 days after the end of the war in Europe, the Berlin underground was running again; the London underground was on strike.
The recent and on-going strikes and riots in Greece, at a time when strikes and riots are plainly a form of national suicide, have been in protest against the smallest proposed cuts in various entitlements. Whatever happened to the fierce and almost legendary Greek national pride and the toughness that enabled them to rout Mussolini’s fascist legions? And recently there were the London and other British riots, with broadly similar causes — slight and hesitant measures in the direction of government austerity, minuscule reductions in the size of the welfare state.
All coming, as Tytler is said to have predicted, roughly 200 years after the coming of parliamentary democracy. The great English Reform Bill, the Representation of the People Act, which greatly expanded the franchise, was passed in 1832.
America has been a by-word for ruggedness. Independence was seen as a national characteristic. This has been the first presidential election in which the successful candidate has appealed more or less exclusively to hedonism, ease, softness and entitlement. Plans for repaying, or even holding in check, the monstrous national debt were, relatively speaking, hardly raised or analyzed. It was actually highly significant that the Democrats dwelt on Big Bird as an election icon.
I do not recall a single instance of Obama being asked the simple question: “How do you propose to reduce the debt?” The “tough” but essential questions: national defense, the size of the nuclear strike-force, the state and future of anti-missile defenses, were all similarly ignored. Benghazi proved either desperate incompetence or active anti-Americanism on the President’s part. It was part of the general softness and hedonism of this almost pure Tytlerian election that Benghazi was barely mentioned by Romney in the presidential debates, and when it was, Obama was able to fob him off with a blatant lie. Romney should have kept the debates riveted on Benghazi, the unmentioned gutting of U.S. nuclear forces and the debt. Did anyone mention that China can now put men in Space and America can’t? The ease with which Obama was able to deflect the debate from such issues was horrifying.
Even the desperately urgent questions of national energy policies were brushed over fleetingly in the debates. To get a detailed examination of them, one had to turn to little-read, specialist papers.
What I call the “Tytlerization” of American politics (like “Orwellian,” a word its author would not have wanted his name hi-jacked for) has with this election become nearly total. Although conservatives should remember nothing in politics is irreversible, I cannot see that America is facing anything but economic catastrophe.
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Hal G.P. Colebatch’s “Immram,” Counterstrike, is being published by Australian publisher Imaginites.
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Aaron Investigates | 11.9.12 @ 6:29AM
What can be more frustrating then knowing what's coming and being unable to stop it?
It.s like watching a train wreck in slow motion...
Alan Brooks | 11.10.12 @ 1:46AM
"From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates"
Not in '84- because you ran a real candidate then.
Alan Brooks | 11.10.12 @ 1:49AM
...in '80, too; but in '84 he pulled in 49 states.
"From that moment on, the GOP always gets overconfident."
It is called hubris.
Stan Redmond| 11.11.12 @ 3:55PM
I would call the establishment GOP anything but overconfident. Boehner anybody?
gene| 11.10.12 @ 8:16AM
That is probably the best description of what I've been seeing these last 10 years or so. What is even more frustrating is describing this accident to people around you? And they cannot even see it happening. I was born 10 years after the end of WWII. As a young child learning about that era, I could never understand how all those things could happen to include the Holocaust. Now? I not only understand how it can happen. I can see it happening all over again and people are still blind and clueless.
TLP| 11.12.12 @ 8:44AM
What's the problem?
Did he Pull his Pants down and tell some Gal to Kiss his Willey?
Did he RAPE anybody?
Did he have an 11 Year Extra-Marital Affair during his first 12 Years of Marriage?
Did he LIE to a Federal Grand Jury?
Was he using one end of this Broad as a Humidor for his Cigar, while he used the other end for something else?
Were his Actions any more BLACKMAILABLE, then those of PRESIDENT Bill Clinton, and his Phone Sex Partner?
General Petreous needs to be left alone so he can go back to doing the work of the American People.
I'm sick the Fck to Death of the Double Standard.
Occam's Tool| 5.15.13 @ 9:10PM
I originally misread this as referring to the "Tyler" election. That was the OTHER time Americans voted in a traitor to the White House, although Tyler at least waited until he was out of the Oval Office to turncoat.
C.B.| 11.9.12 @ 6:36AM
Hiking boots
2 pair socks
Rain gear
Sweater
Pancho
6-8 protein bars
2 liters of water
2 painter's masks
Flashlight
First aid kit
Multi purpose leatherman tool
20 ft. clothesline
Pistol
That should do it....
PJ| 11.9.12 @ 7:09AM
If you live in the country, you'll be ok; you're pretty much self-reliant by living off the land. Btw don't forget lots of bullets or maybe a Dillon Press & also a water-filtration system depending if you want to be mobile.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 11.9.12 @ 12:09PM
"Sweater
Pancho
6-8 protein bars"
Will you be sharing the protein bars with Pancho, or is that why you have the pistol?
Alej| 11.9.12 @ 3:42PM
Ha ! I missed that ! : )
Cobalt| 11.10.12 @ 10:56AM
Perhaps, he plans to use the pistol on Pancho, should long pork be added to the menu.
TLP| 11.12.12 @ 8:46AM
Yeah.
After he fattens him up with the Energy Bars.
Ralph Novy| 11.10.12 @ 5:10AM
Noticed you didn't include any books in your "survival kit."
Figures.
C.B.| 11.10.12 @ 5:24AM
Only my Bible, Butch.
You probably didn't think about that though.
Figures.
Ralph Novy| 11.11.12 @ 12:18AM
I certainly wouldn't.
And the name's Ralph.
Occam's Tool| 5.15.13 @ 9:12PM
Always good to have some medical texts, CB.
Ken (Old Texican)| 11.9.12 @ 8:14AM
Hal, in these days I am not focused upon taxes, but against the new wave of regulations.
When a tipping point of jobs obviously tossed away, the rifles will come out.
Barry better get his personal army up to speed quickly, because the US Army and Marines will "stack arms".
Occam's Tool| 5.15.13 @ 9:13PM
Ken!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good to have you Back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(I did buy your book when it came on Kindle---I know you sent me a free copy, but I appreciate you much!)
Ken (Old Texican)| 11.9.12 @ 8:19AM
That is our military's only option consistent with their oath to the constitution.
JimH| 11.9.12 @ 9:08AM
I suspect the model here is more Venezuela than Greece or Spain. If the GOP gets back in power in four years and tries to rein in the excesses of BO, then you may see rioting in the streets as the good times come to an end for his supporters.
Ron M.| 11.9.12 @ 10:33AM
I think you've pegged it.
All Hail the Idiocracy of BHO
Bob K| 11.9.12 @ 10:43PM
The rioting will begin in California.
Where else?
fmm| 11.10.12 @ 7:57AM
No. Since CA is a deeply lue state, it will be allowed to seceede from the union, be recognized as a third world country by the dumocrats in Washington DC, and be bailed out with 100 billion dollars taken from Texas and other red states.
fmm| 11.10.12 @ 8:00AM
Sorry for the typo of lue instead of blue, but lue does make sense in that it is an abbreviation for "upper left extremity"
KennesawJack| 11.9.12 @ 11:06AM
The reality here is this, the left has finally won. EVERYTHING is about race and ethnicity. ALL is race and ethnicity. The Balkanization of America is complete, now comes the fracturing. We are going to go bankrupt, that is simply unavoidable. Irrespective of how much income Obamarx succeeds in taxing it will be an infinitesimal piece of the amount needed to reduce deficit/debt. JimH has it exactly right, there is no turning back. And no, Tex, I don't think you'll see armed resistance to what's happening. If anything, I truly believe you will see a negotiated semi-separation resulting in a loose federation which will last for a very short time. It is in the immediate interests of the Marxists to consolidate their gains so letting go of a few dissedent states makes that task that much easier. After that is when push will come to shove. For all of you on the left who are celebrating the demise of capitalsim, understand this; this "utopia" you think you've won is ephemeral. Your grandchildren will come to despise you for it. The left means to rule, not govern. Get used to it.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 11.9.12 @ 12:07PM
The result of Tuesday's election means that the start of the riots are temporarily postponed, but the effects will remain the same, just slowed down a bit.
Ralph Novy| 11.10.12 @ 5:24AM
EVERYTHING is about race and ethnicity. ALL is race and ethnicity.
... in YOUR mind, Kennesaw.
Step back and rethink, son. You're being an ass.
fmm| 11.10.12 @ 8:08AM
You both have points here. Kennesaw is right that the r&e is the wedge of division, but if you mean it is a straw man, then you are right also. The r&e is simply a diversion to keep our eyes off the real goals of consolidation of power and riches in the hands of a few. The drivers don't really give a damn about any race or ethnicity, they just use them as pawns in their game.
Ralph Novy| 11.11.12 @ 12:19AM
I totally agree with you on that point, fmm.
TLP| 11.12.12 @ 8:58AM
And, what happens when the PAWNS inevitably Outnumber the King and the Queen?
The Drivers don't give a damn about Race and Ethnicity TODAY. But, like the Carp, that are introduced in to Ponds and Lakes to eat all of the unwanted Excessive Vegitation? The Carp will soon Outnumber the Plants, and the elimination of all of the Oxygen in the Water, that they used to produce, will Choke out most of the rest of the Fish, in said Pond and Lake.
Plus, if Homo Novy Boy is agreeing with you?
You might wanna go back and rethink your position.
Occam's Tool| 5.15.13 @ 9:14PM
Ralph: that's not what KJ is saying.
He's describing the Left's position, which is how they are fracturing us. KJ is a great Gentleman.
Stan Redmond| 11.10.12 @ 3:47PM
This is one of the saddest reflections of this 2012 election. I am old enough to have beat the liberalization of public schools. I was forced to read, write properly in English, and take calculus in high school. I had been born early enough to see the last wave of immigrants that actually wanted to be Americans. I lived in a mixed race community and it was quiet and harmonious. Now. I've just witnessed it all fall apart with the long legged mack daddy (Thank you pastor Manning) leading the march. White men are now the pariahs in this country. Black mobs are out of control and totally ignored. Obama and the democrats have pitted everyone against everyone else. His surrogates have stirred up so much hate to one another I see a violent future in this country. Sloth and laziness are rewarded and encouraged. WTF happened.
Ralph Novy| 11.11.12 @ 12:22AM
"Black mobs are out of control and totally ignored."
You're a moronic, racist liar, Stan. Period.
Read something sometime, eh? Think sometime, eh?
Jeez.
Alej| 11.11.12 @ 11:58AM
Collective apologies from the posters on behalf of the moderators for allowing continued condescending personal attacks by "Ralph Novy," whose real name is Kweise Mdinga Mbongo, apparently.
AG Holder has "come out" and acknowledged that the whistleblower was right. Black on white crime is not crime at all... just "reparations" for "...my people."
And black mobs within about 800 meters of my position damn sure won't be "ignored."
Stan Redmond| 11.11.12 @ 4:01PM
UH. Have you read something sometime?
Black mob hijacks store: 'We own this' -Detroit
'Knockout Games' a hit with black mobs - Nationwide
Black Mobs attack whites outside Wisconsin State Fair.
Black Mobs Take over Chicago Beach
I could go on and on about black mob violence that is being ignored by the media and the justice department. Calling me a racist won't change the facts.
Louis Jenkins| 11.9.12 @ 11:18AM
"Although conservatives should remember nothing in politics is irreversible, I cannot see that America is facing anything but economic catastrophe."
Amen!
CB, if that is the content of your Bug Out Bag you'd better consider a battle calibre rifle or at least something that will give you some reach out and touch someone capability. As an old Marine used to say, "If your down to using a pistol you're fu--ed."
C.B.| 11.9.12 @ 1:23PM
Well, yes and no, that's what's in the trunk. Bug Out provisions will have this and some "other" assorted goodies....
Ronsch| 11.9.12 @ 1:05PM
Hunker down, starve the beast and take care of your own...Stop giving to any charity, business, or anything else reeking of .gov. Become the grey man and to h≪ with anyone else.
I am done, finished caring and giving...local churches only, no more national affiliates, no more Rotary, Red Cross (or is that Red Crescent now?)
And for the record, I served my country for 12 years in uniform, and now I am watching it get flushed down the latrine...I will pray for my fellow conservative brothers and sisters and if they escape the Lower 48 and come to Alaska, I will provide a bed until they get settled, but that is it. Prepaid cells to stop paying the USC for the free Obamaphones. My money (what will be left after the crushing new taxes of 2013) is mine.
Ralph Novy| 11.10.12 @ 5:16AM
You need to re-read your New Testament, pal.
All that you've just said, Jesus would turn his nose up at.
Alej| 11.11.12 @ 12:00PM
Jesus wasn't a sonofabitching Democrat.
Occam's Tool| 5.15.13 @ 9:16PM
Ronsch: that's actually quite generous.
CG-Gunner| 11.9.12 @ 2:03PM
You are all very correct. We can see the end coming and are powerless to stop it.
C. B. Having a BOB is a wise idea. The problem is bug out to where? Do you have a place to stay hidden and live “off the grid” for 4 years?
Old Texican; Don’t forget that there ARE Dems in the military. I was “in” for 25 years and worked with/for a few. A unit/base Commander can take an “unlawful order” and make it sound lawful.
Jim H; If, in 4 years the GOP does reign in the excesses of the current regime and riots break out, just think how many less people will be receiving Federal assistance when the smoke clears.
Alej| 11.9.12 @ 3:48PM
Hornady V-MAX bullets function flawlessly in AR 15s and M1As - they go in clean and exit like a salad plate on edge.
CG-Gunner| 11.9.12 @ 2:35PM
Ronald Reagan said said it best...
"To sit back hoping that someday, someway, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the crocodile, hoping he will eat you last-but eat you he will."
Rhoetus| 11.12.12 @ 10:54PM
Bingo! Why moderation is a failing strategy.
Whig| 11.9.12 @ 3:19PM
I think this is a little apocalyptic and end of the world type things.
What I feel is more likely is stagnation resulting in general improverishment through a never ending great depression like Argentina or the Soviet Union. Just enough is produced to get by, nothing is of good quality unless you are in the power elite, clientelism runs rampant, conformity and a circumspectness in speech and press will occur. Houses and infrastructure decline, we become hardened to scarcity and deprivation as our money becomes worthless and there is nothing really worth buying at what we can afford.
Another possibility would resemble the Yugoslavian and/or Lebanese civil wars.
Last, but not least, WWIII.
Alej| 11.9.12 @ 3:55PM
Argentina and the (now) Russian Federation are monocultural ( the Caucasus has always been butchered by Russians - they hate them so much I was stopped in Moscow once by a passing policeman who saw that I had brown eyes. My passport cured the problem).
Yugoslavia ? Now that's an apt comparison. Serbia, Croatia... and they're all the same race.
The illegal alien in the White House played with fire in his class/race warfare gambit, and the conflagration has gotten out of control.
Ralph Novy| 11.10.12 @ 1:23AM
1. We'll all be Greeks and Spaniards only if the myopic proponents of "austerity" get their way.
2. Not a single historical example cited to support the "Tytlerization of America" thesis.
3. The now-debunked claim that " Benghazi proved either desperate incompetence or active anti-Americanism on the President's part" is thoughtlessly repeated.
Dull, worthless article.
fmm| 11.10.12 @ 8:12AM
Dull, worthless commenter.
Ralph Novy| 11.11.12 @ 12:25AM
How thoughtful a rejoinder, fmm.
Alej| 11.11.12 @ 12:03PM
Dull, worthless commenter, as well as a moronic ass.
Hat tip to Kweise Mdingo Mbongo, aka Ralph, for the last two adjectives, posted recently on this thread.
Stan Redmond| 11.10.12 @ 3:58PM
I still haven't ever had a liberal tell me why they should pay for my food, my electricity, my education, my children, my medical care, and my education.
I ask every liberal and they never have an aswer. They have plenty of reasons why I should pay for them but never why they should pay for mine.
Ralph Novy| 11.11.12 @ 12:24AM
Well, then, Stan, you're once again lying. You've never asked a liberal that.
If you had, and you had a good reason why you couldn't provide for yourself, any good liberal would have pitched in to help you. Period.
Stan Redmond| 11.11.12 @ 4:09PM
Wow. You know me so well. And you know all the political debates I've had with people of different political persuasions and the vermin that are "Occupying" my city.
And you need to be careful there. You just stated individual charity freely given is a good thing to people in need. Don't tell the rest of the "tax the rich" government dependents. They just want to have the government holding the gun as they rob me.
Ken (Old Texican)| 11.10.12 @ 10:16AM
A friend of mine thinks he may have a solution: JUST STOP THE MAIL, or at least constrict it where you can.
On further reflection, I wondered how many Obama voters get their goodies by mail. Hmmm .
How many would panic or riot missing only one check?
Do some tires need shootng?
Stan Redmond| 11.10.12 @ 3:59PM
You don't need mail service for your welfare benefits. After all it would be racist and extreme to require a welfare recipient to walk all the way to a mailbox or heaven forbid, drive to the post office.
We have OBAMACARDS. It's automatically added to an account and you swipe your obamacard like a credit card.
Ralph Novy| 11.11.12 @ 12:26AM
YOU have an "Obamacard," Stan?
I don't.
You leech, you!
Alej| 11.11.12 @ 12:15PM
I was standing in line at the supermarket behind a Mexican man and woman with five children, the oldest about seven, unloading a basket filled to overflowing. She paid with an EBT (Obama) card... had never noticed before that it doesn't swipe like a credit/debit card... it is inserted vertically at the bottom of the same keypad, and the total is deducted from the "federal" money in the account.
I said rather loudly that"... if people like this would get a job instead of lying around having children they can't feed, I wouldn't have had to pay for that food."
No response from the parasites, of course, but lots of working people there tacitly agreed.
In nature, and you hunters have seen this, during a prolonged drought, mammals don't conceive... this is nature's way of not having offspring dropped into catastrophe... no mother's milk, no forage for them, and a lingering death due to starvation or predation because of their weakness.
People that don't earn should be subject to nature's rules. Not Democrats' rules.
Stan Redmond| 11.11.12 @ 4:13PM
Breeding is a profitable business in this country. I dare say it is THE most profitable business. Requires no planning, no upfront money, no risk and guarantees a profit. If you play your cards right you get free housing, Obamaphones, Obamabucks, Obamacare, Obamapower, Obamawater, and a little walkin' around money.
Ralph Novy| 11.12.12 @ 2:57AM
Right, Alej. Because no-one wanted to confront and antagonize the angry asshole in line, they "tacitly agreed with you."
Keep telling yourself that, son, all the way to the funny farm.
Stan Redmond| 11.11.12 @ 4:14PM
I wish. I have to work for my money so that I can pay taxes to support leeches.
Politics Debunked | 11.10.12 @ 3:08PM
A major reason Obama won: People didn't realize how much he lied. Many liberal newspapers reported his claim he will "pay down our debt".. and never printed anything questioning it. He constantly repeated the lie, contradicted by his own budget document. The anti-Obama media likely didn't bother pointing out his lie because they thought it was obvious.. but it wasn't to many people it appears.
Obama claimed at the Democratic National Convention on Sept. 6th, 2012: "I'll use the money we're no longer spending on war to pay down our debt".
Yet the White House site contains his 2013 budget proposal with a table showing his planned national debt at the end of each year through 2022. It adds at least $900 billion to the debt every year, $9.6 trillion over a decade.
If a CEO lied about his company's finances to get people to buy stock, the public would cry "fraud! send him to jail!". Should we trust someone to run our government that we wouldn't trust to run a company? This isn't a one time gaffe, he has repeated it from the State of the Union in January, through dozens of speeches into October and a campaign commercial.
For details about this, or to see the issue described in an amusing cartoon&video; mashup of Obama's own words, see the new site: http://PoliticsDebunked.com
Stan Redmond| 11.10.12 @ 4:01PM
I think damned well the media knows how much Obama lied. They must protect the kind though.
Stan Redmond| 11.10.12 @ 4:02PM
the kind = the king oops
Ralph Novy| 11.11.12 @ 12:27AM
Oh, no, Stan, I'm not letting THAT one go.
You said what you meant the first time.
Freudian slip.
LOL
Now ... c'mon ... fess up. You WANT to be a nice guy, don't you?
Alej| 11.11.12 @ 12:17PM
Cute, Mbongo.
He is kind.
He's not a Democrat.
Stan Redmond| 11.11.12 @ 4:18PM
I prefer Obama's freudian slips compared to my typo. "My Muslim faith." "57 states" "Corpse-man" "Inhilators and breathalyzers" "Doctors romoving feet and tonsils for fun and profit" "I see so many of our fallen soldiers here today"
Smartest president eveh'
Ralph Novy| 11.12.12 @ 3:01AM
Well, smarter than I -- and certainly smarter than you.
But yeah, even the smartest and most articulate have "bloopers."
Stan Redmond| 11.12.12 @ 4:07PM
What do you think made Obama more brilliant? The cocaine sniffing or the maximum immersion choom gang adventures. Maybe dog meat is brain food.
Rhoetus| 11.12.12 @ 10:56PM
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