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Benghazi Obama’s Core Deceit

By on 11.1.12 @ 6:08AM

Is anyone really going to vote for this?

The basic, important facts about the Benghazi disgrace are in the public record now. American Ambassador Chris Stevens started requesting additional security as early as February. The Obama Administration not only refused additional security, it actually cut security, removing a well armed unit from the Libyan embassy in August.

The Obama Administration should have known that the danger would increase on the anniversary of September 11. But it sent no additional security for that day either. The reasoning seemed to be that President Obama did not want to inflame Muslim sensibilities with a show of American force even to defend our own diplomatic missions overseas, which are legally considered American, not foreign, soil. So he seems to have decided to rely primarily on security to be provided by the fragile, new Libyan government, which has not stabilized full control of the country. Obama’s own Ambassador Stevens explicitly told the Obama Administration that Libyan security was not sufficiently reliable.

On September 11, there were no spontaneous mob protests at U.S. diplomatic missions in Libya, as President Obama and other Administration officials have tried to tell us. That is documented by records of activities at the U.S. Libyan missions, and by real time video of events, including from one or more drones flying overhead in response to developments. Around 4 pm Washington time, terrorists associated with an Al Qaeda affiliate, Ansar Al Sharia, began a well-coordinated, pre-planned, heavily armed attack with mortars and rocket propelled grenades on the American consulate in Benghazi. That whole attack was witnessed live through the video in real time in Washington DC, at the White House, at the State Department, at the Pentagon, and at the CIA.

Two nearby Navy seals, Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, communicated that they were on their way to the consulate to provide help. They received orders from Washington to stand down! Knowing that American lives were at stake at the embassy, they went anyway. They ended up like General Custer hopelessly outnumbered by the attackers. But they held out for 7 hours after the attacks began, and saved many lives of diplomatic personnel, killing many terrorist attackers in the process.

During the attack, American diplomatic officials on the ground in Libya, and even the two Navy seals themselves, requested back up and rescue. Vastly superior U.S. military forces were available and ready to go less than one hour flight time away in Italy and Crete, including helicopter gunships and jet fighter planes. One security agent at the Benghazi consulate had the terrorist mortar attackers layered, which means they could have been blown away by guided missiles.

But Washington dishonorably refused to send the rescue. Again, apparently, the policy was to avoid offending the Muslim world by a further American show of force. So Navy Seals Woods and Doherty were finally overwhelmed and killed at their guns. American Ambassador Chris Stevens was captured, sodomized, and brutally murdered, dragged bloody and half naked through the streets. President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton afterward thanked the Libyan people for taking the Ambassador to the hospital.

How Stupid Do They Think We Are?
 And that was just the beginning of the cover up and lies by President Obama, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, and other Obama minions. For nearly two weeks, Obama and his cronies espoused to America and the world the fiction that the violence and murders in Benghazi were not terrorist attacks, but the result of Muslim rage over an unknown YouTube video trailer produced by a recent immigrant recluse in the U.S. That was to serve the broader Obama narrative that Obama had routed Al Qaeda (“he” killed Bin Laden after all) and supposedly restored Muslim respect for America, as well as to cover up the dereliction of duty in failing to provide security and send in the military rescue in Benghazi.

President Obama actually weaved this fairy tale before the whole world in a now retrospectively foolish speech at the United Nations. Later, he sent out U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice on the Sunday talk shows to spin the same yarn.

The harsh reality for America, making the truth about Obama harder to discern, is that so much of our nation’s media have fully devoted themselves to Democrat party partisanship. That starts early in school for so many so-called “journalists,” who devote themselves in adolescence to “change the world” by going into such “journalism.” The first stage of any third world Marxist revolution is for the guerillas to seize the radio and TV stations and announce that they are the new government. That effectively has already happened in America. Sure there are alternative outlets where the truth is propagated, such as talk radio, Fox News, the Wall Street Journal, Investors Business Daily, and other publications such as this one. But the public has to grope through the fog of denunciation by the Democrat party-controlled media to find them.

This media is now in full cover up mode for Obama’s Benghazi lies, coverup, and dishonorable dereliction of duty. This was revealed in one of the most brazen episodes in American political history, where President Obama went on the national stage in debate 2 to propagate cover up lies about his Benghazi fairy tale lies. Obama bragged at that debate, “The day after the attack, Governor, I stood in the Rose Garden and I told the American people and the world that we are going to find out exactly what happened. That this was an act of terror and I also said that we’re going to hunt down those who committed this crime.”

The ever sharp Mitt Romney immediately caught the lie, sputtering, “the President just said something which — which is that on the day after the attack he went into the Rose Garden and said this was an act of terror.” Obama lied, “That’s what I said.” But Romney was stuck on the truth, “I want to make sure we get that for the record because it took the President 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.” Obama’s ready response, “Get the transcript.”

The supposed moderator Candy Crowley of Democrat party-controlled CNN took her transparently prearranged cue and interrupted Romney to say, “He did in fact sir.” Then before the entire nation, live on TV, making the pre arranged ambush too obvious, Obama ordered his minion like she was a White House press spokesman, “Can you say that a little louder, Candy?” Obeying the Boss, Crowley piped up and added “He did call it an act of terror.”

But the transcript of Obama’s Rose Garden comments on September 12, posted at the White House website, does not mention the words terror, terrorist or terrorism. Here is what Obama said in the video of the event on September 12: 

Yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families of those who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi. As Americans let us never ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because of our people who are willing to fight for it, willing to stand up for it, and in some cases willing to lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as free or as strong as the character of our people, and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe. No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values we stand for.

These words do not back up what Obama said at the debate. He did not call the Benghazi murders a terrorist act the very next day. Obama was referring to terrorism in general, including the original 9/11 attacks in New York. Obama in fact continued to maintain for another two weeks the fiction that the murders resulted form overflowing, spontaneous, Muslim anger, later telling that fairy tale to the whole world at the UN.

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About the Author

Peter Ferrara is Director of Entitlement and Budget Policy at the Heartland Institute, General Counsel of the American Civil Rights Union, Senior Fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis, and Senior Policy Advisor on Entitlements and Budget Policy at the National Tax Limitation Foundation. He served in the White House Office of Policy Development under President Reagan, and as Associate Deputy Attorney General of the United States under President George H.W. Bush.

Letter to the Editor View all comments (74) |

Darin| 11.1.12 @ 7:08AM

A large number of Americans no little or nothing about this because the media has killed the story. If Obama were Republican, it would STILL be huge news. Anyone who still thinks the media is not biased needs to be slapped upside the head.

TLP| 11.1.12 @ 9:00AM

Exactly.

Go ask Pat Caddell. He'll tell ya, and I'll tell ya, too.

The 4th Estate, long ago became a 5th Column in this Country. They no longer serve their function of Whistleblower where All Politicians are concerned. They have become Part and Parcel of the Democrat Party. Their Lies of Omission have wreaked Havoc on the fabric of the Country. Lies have become the Truth, while the Truth has been locked away from prying eyes.

And when LISCENCE RENEWALS come do?

There needs to be a Rubber Stamp marked - DENIED - on the desk, right next to the container of Red Ink.

Oldefarte| 11.1.12 @ 1:18PM

More importantly, anyone/everyone so understanding this fact needs to immediately pick up their telephone, call the business office of their hometown newpaper and tell them to cancel their subscription to same; and additionally to not allow themsleves or their children to attend/view the Hollywood productions in their movie theatres and from their home televisions!!!!

SUBVET| 11.1.12 @ 12:38PM

How Stupid Do They Think We Are?

Peter what is the CIA's role in this ? I say they are the ones in control.

Mitt is their man now........move on to the next chapter in the global play book.

Do I hear a fiddle in the backround !

Oldefarte| 11.1.12 @ 1:19PM

Google/read Frank Gaffney's editorials concerning this!!!!!!!!!!

Dodd2| 11.1.12 @ 7:50AM

Obama's Negroes base do not care what he does.
It's all tribal to them. Fact.

Nancy in NC| 11.1.12 @ 9:20AM

I have often said obama could kill Mochella on main st. and eat her, and a huge number of the obama zombies would still vote for him.

The Dims are one big tribe with a few brain cells to share.

buckeyeman| 11.1.12 @ 10:40AM

I hate his guts (yes, I hate HIM, not just his policies) but if he killed Mochella, even I might vote for him.

c. j. acworth| 11.1.12 @ 8:45AM

I would guess that in the event of a Romney win the paper shredders at State and Justice in particular will be running overtime starting 11/7.

Nancy in NC| 11.1.12 @ 9:22AM

Someone in this administration is leaking information about the failures of obama. Perhaps it's coming from the State Dept.

ncatty| 11.1.12 @ 9:56AM

It is the CIA. They will not take the fall for this act of cowardice. The CIA spokesperson pointedly states that no one in the CIA gave an order to stand down. However, the disgusting AP interprets this as no such order was given.

Oldefarte| 11.1.12 @ 1:21PM

If true, that "leaking" will no doubt resemble Hurricane Sandy in its volumn and intensity!!!!

Warrior| 11.1.12 @ 11:55AM

You need to add a few days to let them figure out if they can pull a "Franken" and find ballots in democrat poll workers trunks.

Pecos Pete| 11.1.12 @ 8:48AM

Ferrara's "dishonorable deception and dishonesty" doesn't even come close to describing the traitorous and criminal acts of the Obama Administration and Harry Reid's democrat party control of the Senate.

Vote NO on Obama and vote YES for Republican control of both houses of Congress.

vtwin| 11.1.12 @ 9:12AM

Benghazi? I was sure Peter were going to write about Solyndra or maybe Bill Ayers.

Nancy in NC| 11.1.12 @ 9:18AM

Well, Peter did cover some other things as well. Solyndra is just another one of obama's failures (along with a handful other green companies that took our money and failed big time). Benghazi is just the latest example of obama's incompetence, lack of leadership, and corruption. The guy enjoys "playing" at president, unfortunately, he has no idea how to do the job.

vtwin| 11.1.12 @ 12:38PM

Next week, we’ll see what the majority of the American people think of Obama competence and leadership.

Oldefarte| 11.1.12 @ 1:07PM

And hopefully the American people are smart enough now to understand Frank Marshall Davis' protege is a communist, a socialist, a Marxist and that he should not be a POTUS!!!!!!!!

Pecos Pete| 11.1.12 @ 9:24AM

vtwin is a slime ball for not believing that four good men died on behalf of the USA.

vtwin| 11.1.12 @ 12:33PM

It’s not a question of my beliefs; four Americans were killed in Benghazi.

Oldefarte| 11.1.12 @ 1:14PM

Killed????? Try this instead:

"American Ambassador Chris Stevens was captured, sodomized, and brutally murdered, dragged bloody and half naked through the streets"

DRed| 11.1.12 @ 2:50PM

There's no credible evidence that he was sodomized, and when he was being 'dragged bloody and half naked through the streets' he was being taken to a hospital.

Oldefarte| 11.1.12 @ 3:58PM

BS....and LYING BS as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DRed| 11.1.12 @ 4:04PM

The report that Stevens was raped comes from a Lebanese newspaper, which claimed that the Agence France-Presse reported the rape. The AFP denies that it ever did. And then the usual right wing misinformation machine has just been repeating the unsubstantiated claim endlessly since.

John Navratil| 11.1.12 @ 5:39PM

Dred,

I must agree.

John II| 11.1.12 @ 10:24PM

Rape schmape. What the hell are you all talking about? I can't believe I'm reading this.

DReddie, let me translate all this into simple language that you can understand. The President of the United States betrayed his duty and his country as Commander-in-Chief. The piece of garbage and his degenerate retinue are not FIT for the offices they occupy.

Is THAT clear?

I don't know whether it's your icy smugness or your lefty hatred of America that bothers me more. But you tripped my wire. Congratulations, punk.

Never darken my towels again!

DRed| 11.1.12 @ 10:36PM

Huh? What can't you believe?

John II| 11.1.12 @ 10:39PM

Never darken my towels again.

DRed| 11.1.12 @ 11:13PM

I never had you figured for a Marxist. I guess I'll have to look to someone else on this site to lob trite insults my way.

As to the made up rape-well, I'm not as into armchair psychology as you are, Professor. But it probably says something about you all for believing it. Relishing it, even.

John II| 11.2.12 @ 5:56PM

Whaddaya mean "trite"? I stole it from one of the truly great films of cinematic history.

sylercider| 11.1.12 @ 3:08PM

So, Oldefarte, you believe the media when they report something that makes Obama look bad. But, if they report something that makes Obama look good, then they're just manipulating the truth.

I guess if that makes you sleep better at night, then more power to you.

Oldefarte| 11.1.12 @ 4:00PM

Try this and then see how much sleep you obtain if you're truthful with that image in your mirror:

http://www.newsmax.com/FrankGa...../id/461469

sylercider| 11.1.12 @ 6:43PM

Seriously, you get your stories from newsmax.com?
Even Fox News won't touch that conspiracy story.

Thank you, Oldefarte, you proved my point: you'll believe anything if makes Obama look bad, and you won't believe anything if it makes him look good.

Gary B| 11.1.12 @ 9:10PM

How can an amoral reptile ever look good except by accident? Regardless of Newsmax or any other news organization, Obama hates the whole idea of America and wants it dead. So, how much fairness does that terrorist-loving SOB deserve?

sylercider| 11.2.12 @ 11:42AM

"amoral reptile"??
"Obama hates the whole idea of America and wants it dead"??

Gary B, how did you ever graduate from high school? Or did you?

Warrior| 11.1.12 @ 11:59AM

Good point. Mr. Ferrara should write an article that starts with Ayers and lists every deception the Marxist has used up to and including Benghazi. It would probably run the same length as the Unafforable Care Act.

You are still an asshole.

Oldefarte| 11.1.12 @ 1:12PM

Want to refresh your memory of this article?:

"American Ambassador Chris Stevens was captured, sodomized, and brutally murdered, dragged bloody and half naked through the streets"

Nancy in NC| 11.1.12 @ 9:14AM

I am unsure of Peter's timeline on one part of this article (which is excellent). I thought Susan Rice made her "Tell the lie" tour before Obama's "Spread the Lie" speech at the UN. But I could be mistaken.

Oldefarte| 11.1.12 @ 1:24PM

Susan was spreading the lie about him long before 11/4/08....the five TV show appearances after 9/11/12 was just a continuation of same. Her history with THE BLACK JESUS parallels that of Valerie Garrett!!!!!!

Ken (Old Texican)| 11.1.12 @ 9:39AM

Peter, everyone's summation ends with the election.....what if.....WHAT IF the "gimmie my sruff" voters prevail next week?

Honestly, man...where do we go from there? For lack of a better term...call me. a refusenik".

I will refuse to obey "Presidential Order laws,past and present" ..... period!

A Texas citizen.....my Reps ana Senators LISTEN to me. They understand NOT to do so will simply get them shot. (that is called deterence)......

See, as Texans themselves in these days each of them have a half a million bullets pinned to an Obama vote.....right on their chest...and they know it.
Would that every Congressman had to deal with reality.

C Smith | 11.1.12 @ 11:22AM

To All Americans in the World,

There was a day when General Sam Houston "ordered" that the Alamo Mission be torched. Yet the remnant of the “First Company of Texas Volunteers” under an azure blue flag emblazoned with the words “God and Liberty” would not "STAND DOWN." In the days that followed 26-year-old Lt. Col. William Barret Travis with a nondescript contingency of 20 Army Regulars, cast his lot with those preferring to "die in these ditches than give up to the enemy."

On February 24, 1836, William Barret Travis Lt. Col. Comdt. of the Alamo mission pleads:

"To the People of Texas and All Americans in the world"

"I am besieged, by a thousand.... The enemy has demanded a surrender at discretion, otherwise, the garrison are to be put to the sword.... I have answered the demand with a cannon shot, and our flag still waves proudly from the walls. I shall never surrender or retreat. Then, I call on you in the name of Liberty, of patriotism & everything dear to the American character, to come to our aid.... If this call is neglected, I am determined to sustain myself as long as possible and die like a soldier who never forgets what is due to his own honor & that of his country − Victory or Death."
P.S. The Lord is on our side....

C Smith | 11.1.12 @ 11:23AM

On March 3, 1836 in his final communiqué, Travis writes "... if my countrymen do not rally to my relief, I am determined to perish in the defense of this place, and my bones shall reproach my country for her neglect.... All the citizens of this place that have not joined us are with the enemy fighting against us. Let the government declare them public enemies...."

On September 11, 2012 retired U.S. Navy SEAL Senior Chief Petty Officer Tyrone Woods like Lt. Col Travis in the name of Liberty, of patriotism & everything dear to the American character, came to the aid of his compatriots in the Benghazi mission. He would not "STAND DOWN." When his countrymen would not rally to his relief, he perished, his bones reproaching his country for her neglect.

The words and the acts of the righteous have a legacy:

At dawn on the first of March, responding to Travis' plea, Lt. George C. Kimble with his "Immortal 32" fought their way into the beleaguered mission, never to leave. Unbeknown to the besieged defenders, that night in Washington-on-the-Brazos, delegates were frantically preparing the final draft of The Texas Declaration of Independence. The following day declared, "Here a Nation was born." Four days later at dawn, the Alamo's defenders ratified it with their blood.

C Smith | 11.1.12 @ 11:24AM

Within four fortnights, the Texan militia came to the aid of their "fallen" brethren charging Santa Anna's far superior forces, to the rallying cry "Remember the Alamo!" The slaughter that hardly lasted twenty minutes was "frightful to behold", an overwhelming defeat for the merciless Santa Anna who was later found cowering among the multitude of prisoners. That evening peace had come to the commonwealth of Texas.

What is the legacy of Benghazi? In coming days that threaten to be the "Death" of America, will we "STAND UP" and shout the rallying cry "Remember Benghazi"? Taking no prisoners of those who make "lies" their refuge, and by their "silence" make a prisoner of Truth? This our only choice:
"Victory or Death."

Oldefarte| 11.1.12 @ 12:08PM

This sentence in Peter's always outstanding editorial tells the whole story " American Ambassador Chris Stevens was captured, sodomized, and brutally murdered, dragged bloody and half naked through the streets" And his last paragraph rightly instructs the necessity of what you must do on 11/6/12.....NOW DO IT!!!!

Oldefarte| 11.1.12 @ 1:00PM

PS: Continuing my thoughts, I simply do not understand how anyone of right mind could vote to re-elect this POTUS after the revelations of the last four years. Are people really that stupid? Do they not GET IT [as TLP says]? I believe these polls [as they are part of the MSM] are manipulated to his advantage indicating this race is tied 50-50, so I'm not concernied with same. However if somehow he manages to squeek out a victory through political corruption etc, this country is doomed to destruction, period. I'm counting on the intelligence of the American public in now understanding who/what he is/isn't [I'd suggest a reading of TAS's cover article of last month concerning Frank Marshall Davis' influence over this POTUS to anyone still ignorant of same] in resulting in a needed victory for Republicans on 11/6/12!!!!!!!!!

djn1313| 11.1.12 @ 12:59PM

This is reason enough to vote this traitor out of office. He is too close to our enemy, the muslim brotherhood terrorists. He used US taxpayers money to arm and fund these people, and four Americans paid with their lives while he watched.
If you vote for obama, you are not a true American. We need a leader that puts this nation and its people first. At least give Romney a chance by voting for him on Nov. 6th.

Oldefarte| 11.1.12 @ 1:03PM

Amen....well stated!!!!!!!!

Gary B| 11.1.12 @ 9:14PM

Amen!

Akaky| 11.1.12 @ 2:21PM

Absolute knowledge have I none,
But my aunt's washerwoman's sister's son
Heard a policeman on his beat
Say to a laborer in the street
That he had a letter just last week --
A letter which he did not seek --
From a Chinese merchant in Timbuktoo
Who said that his brother in Cuba knew
Of an Indian chief in a Texas town,
Who got the dope from a circus clown,
That a man in the Klondike had it straight
From a guy in a South American state,
That a wild man over in Borneo
Was told by a woman who claimed to know,
Of a well-known society rake,
Whose mother-in-law will undertake
To prove that her husband's sister's niece
Has stated plain in a printed piece
That she has a son she never does see
Who knows what happened in Benghazi.

With many apologies to Senator Henry Cabot Lodge, Sr.

sylercider| 11.1.12 @ 2:40PM

Wow, the supporters of American Spectator have gone full-blown right wing conspiracy theorist.

Townhall is the ACLU compared to you guys.

"P.S. The Lord is on our side....", that about sums up the problem with conservative thinking.

John Navratil| 11.1.12 @ 3:35PM

sylercider,

So who is one your side? Obama?

Also, if you see a conspiracy could you tell me what the plot is? I missed it.

sylercider| 11.1.12 @ 7:06PM

John, throughout history, countries have justified their insane actions by stating that "God is on our side". I can justify anything (slavery, murder, rape, child abuse, etc.) by using stories from the Bible.

Was God on our side during Vietnam? How about when we were killing Native Americans? How about during the times of slavery?

You want examples of posters that believe in a conspiracy? Ok, here ya go:
Darin: "the media has killed the story..."
Subvet: "Peter what is the CIA's role in this ? I say they are the ones in control."
Oldefarte: "If true, that "leaking" will no doubt resemble Hurricane Sandy in its volumn and intensity!!!!"
Pecos Pete: "...the traitorous and criminal acts of the Obama Administration."
Oldefarte:"American Ambassador Chris Stevens was captured, sodomized, and brutally murdered, dragged bloody and half naked through the streets"
djn1313: "He [Obama] is too close to our enemy, the muslim brotherhood terrorists."

It doesn't get much wackier than that, John.

I have no problem with people having different political views than me. Heck, I enjoy reading what people on the right think about taxes, welfare, gay marriage, abortion, etc because it forces me to re-think my stance on those issues.
What I have a problem with are people that try to inflate their arguments with idiotic stories.

Obama does not want to ruin America. He isn't turning America into a socialist country. There is nothing he has done that deserves him being called a traitor.

John Navratil| 11.1.12 @ 8:18PM

sylercider,

People claim truth through association everywhere. Demagogues are particularly atrocious at this. To claim God is on one's side is to claim the moral high ground for those who worship God. Generally, to claim that God is on one's side isn't particularly convincing when one is advocating pederasty, for example.

The Left justifies their insane actions by stating things like "the earth is warming/cooling/changing" or that "fairness compels" or that "reasonable people agree". God isn't claimed, but an appeal to a higher authority is made. You claim that what is wrong with the right is that their appeal is to God being on their side say nothing against their views but merely denigrates their appeal to God. Hence the question of whom did you claim on your side? God seem to present a problem.

As to conspiracies.

Darin claims "the media has killed the story." Look around. There IS a story. It is not covered on the MSM, only Fox and a few others. Does Fox have the story wrong? Is it a fabrication?

SUBVET asks "Peter what is the CIA's role in this ? I say they are the ones in control." That seems to be a question followed by an opinion. Conspiratorial? It's a stretch.

Oldefarte speculates, in response to a suggestion that State is leaking (now THAT'S news) that "If true, that "leaking" will no doubt resemble Hurricane Sandy".
...

John Navratil| 11.1.12 @ 8:18PM

...
Pecos Pete calls Obama's acts traitorous. etc., etc. etc. These are OPINIONS. They are opinions of the right, no doubt. About the only one that gets close to conspiracy theories is SUBVET's suggestion that the CIA may have an agenda. They are wacky to you, do doubt!

You close by stating your disagreement with the right through your opinions that "Obama does not want to ruin America. He isn't turning America into a socialist country. There is nothing he has done that deserves him being called a traitor."

We disagree!

Whether Obama wants to ruin America is immaterial. In my opinion he is. We can discuss that.

I disagree that he isn't turning America into a socialist country. We can discuss that.

The traitor claim is tough because it calls motivation into account. "Loose lips" aren't necessarily traitorous. His comments to Medvedev are disturbing to me. We can discuss that.

Now, tell me a bit more about the problem with conservative thinking!

sylercider| 11.2.12 @ 11:45AM

I don't need to tell you anymore about the conservative thinking on American Spectator, you've said enough.

Looking Up| 11.1.12 @ 3:58PM

What would you say to liberal Christians that hold this position?

Are they not convinced Jesus is on THEIR side?

sylercider| 11.1.12 @ 7:08PM

I don't believe "liberal Christians" use God as an excuse to justify cruel actions.

John Navratil| 11.1.12 @ 8:22PM

sylercider,

What do you believe?

sylercider| 11.2.12 @ 11:59AM

John Navratil, are you asking about my religious views? I'm not sure how this pertains to the story at hand, but ...

I don't believe in a God that murders innocent people just to prove a point.
I don't believe in a God that doesn't abhor slavery.
I don't believe in a God that views women as second class citizens.
I don't believe in a God that is so self-centered that he requires everyone to submit to him in order to be invited to his house (heaven).
I don't believe in a God that would allow a repentant murderer into heaven before he would allow me.

I believe in my life here and now. I try to be a good person not because I'm afraid of going to hell, but because it's the right thing to do.

So, John Navratil, tell me... are you good only because the Bible tells you to be good? You need the Bible to tell you that killing another human is wrong? That stealing is wrong? That being mean is wrong?

Oldefarte| 11.1.12 @ 4:03PM

Yeah it's all one big RIGHT WINGED CONSPIRACY according to you and HillyBilly, right? Okay, then try the following and see how that coincides with you theories regarding conspiracy:

http://www.newsmax.com/FrankGa...../id/461469

sylercider| 11.1.12 @ 7:15PM

Again, Oldefarte, I can't believe that you get your stories from newsmax.com.

I mean, come on, Frank Gaffney??? The same guy that believes the Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated the US govt??

Maybe, Oldefarte, you need to get a broader perspective on things.

John Navratil| 11.1.12 @ 8:21PM

sylercider,

Or, perhaps, you do? Something more than your incredulity might be persuasive.

sylercider| 11.2.12 @ 12:03PM

John, excuse me, but my perspective is very broad. How do you think I knew who Frank Gaffney was?

I listen to NPR, BBC, FOX, CNN, Christian Science Monitor and many other news sources.

Oldefarte just seems to bring up the same source every time. I find it odd that not one major news source, not even FOX, carries his Frank Gaffney story.

Ralph Novy| 11.1.12 @ 4:34PM

Bob Cesca puts dishonest, pseudo-patriotic rants like yours in rational perspective, Ferrara.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....59227.html

Read it, if you have any capacity for self-reflection.

John Navratil| 11.1.12 @ 5:08PM

Ralph Novy,

Do you beg the question, or what? The opening sentence in this bit of "Bush did it too" frippery is "I've had this ongoing theory that if Al Gore had been president during 9/11, the Republicans would've tried to impeach him for allowing it to happen."

It then goes on to assume as fact that Bush had the facts to know the 9/11 attacks were imminent and that had he paid sufficient attention and listened to Richard Clarke, it may have been prevented.

Had Cesca recounted the counter-terrorism actions of the previous administration which Clarke served he might have been given a few points for balance. Instead he treats the Benghazi fiasco as being just a 9/11 redux.

Certainly Obama is criticized for being unprepared for Benghazi as Bush was critized. We might note that eleven years and two wars later we know a lot more now than then, but that argument descends into equating the two 9/11 attacks. That is not the point.

Obama has gone to great lengths to color the Benghazi attack as something it wasn't - a riot evolving into an attack. He didn't come to the people and say, our embassy was attacked, our ambassador was killed, this is an attack on America and will be treated as such. No! Bush did that and that's the difference.

Reflect on that!

Anthony| 11.1.12 @ 4:37PM

Read the Las Vegas Review editorial on Obozo at Breitbart.
It totally and completely levels the Muslim Marxist and his whores in the media.
Yet, all DRed and vtwin can do is scream it's all a right wing plot that Ambassador Stevens was raped and sodomized.
I really, really, really can't wait for Tuesday.
I really, really, really can't wait to kick some ass.

John Navratil| 11.1.12 @ 5:19PM

Anthony,

I hope we are done on Tuesday. I don't think we will be.

Warrior| 11.1.12 @ 5:48PM

You will have at least a weeks worth of alleged voter fraud, threatened/actual recounts and absentee ballot suppression to navigate.

Gary B| 11.1.12 @ 9:16PM

Unless there is a landslide. That would fix matters.

John II| 11.1.12 @ 11:01PM

So we pray for a 1980-type landslide. After all, we're benighted right-wingers. We pray, and stuff like that.

Marc Jeric| 11.1.12 @ 5:00PM

After a full 2-weeks and longer of consistent lying as to the causes of that jihadist attack on the US Embassy in Benghazi by Obama, Clinton, Rice, and Carney where they all unanimously blamed an obscure “U-Tube disgusting film trailer” criticizing Prophet Mohammed, finally the facts prevailed. The attack on the anniversary of the September 11 original terrorist attack was a result of a careful and long-term jihadist preparation designed to avenge the killing of Osama bin Laden. But today all four of these bare-faced liars claimed that they had said no such thing. It is clear that this jihadist attack is one result of the Obama’s failed policy of “The Arab Spring” that would lead to “democratic” governments in Tunisia, Libya, and Egypt – where extreme jihadist governments are now solidifying their hold on power. The worst facts in this entire affair are:
1) The Benghazi attack had absolutely nothing to do with that U-Tube film trailer issued back in July that nobody in the Muslim world had seen before that attack and other Muslim demonstrations;
2) An independent Lebanese journalist described and photographed the execution of the American ambassador: he was stripped naked, bent over by force, and sodomized by a thick broom handle before being executed by a bullet in the head;
3) However, the author of that film trailer is now in prison under the Obama’s FBI tender care, using a weak excuse of parole violation for some “financial misdeed” in the past.

Controse| 11.1.12 @ 10:52PM

Here is a bulletin for the author about the pervasiveness of Obama, or whoever he is, coddling in the MSM. The Wall Street Journal has yet to report on the Benghazi betrayal. Even the editorial page has only obliquely referenced this monstrous scandal.

John II| 11.1.12 @ 11:04PM

Maybe they're jealous that they got scooped by Fox. On the other hand, maybe they just don't give a damn. My disgust with the Left goes much deeper than economics, so it doesn't faze me to suggest that the WSJ types aren't much interested in anything but the bottom line.

Robert17| 11.3.12 @ 12:15PM

I think this sums it up nicely.
http://youtu.be/dnnExRYQ9CY

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