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The Gospel According to Joe
Clownish final pitches from the Obama campaign.
Joe Biden said at October’s vice-presidential debate that he would never “impose” his Catholic faith on fellow Americans, describing it as “personally” important to him but publicly irrelevant. This stance hasn’t stopped him in the finals days of the campaign from imposing his self-serving version of the Catholic faith on voters. In a recent campaign ad, complete with images of the crucifix, a solemn Joe Biden presents himself as a “practicing Catholic” who serves an administration that advances the “values” of “Catholic social doctrine.”
“Whatever you do for the least of these, you do for me,” says Biden in the ad, quoting Jesus Christ in a summary of those values. This would seem an ill-advised adage for an administration that subsidizes the killing of the unborn. A politician who stretches the category of the “least of these” to include Sandra Fluke but not unborn babies might want to avoid scriptural quotations.
According to Biden, religion doesn’t belong in politics, but it is okay to insert politics into religion. Equating the platform of the Democratic Party with “Catholic social doctrine” and then imposing that phony equation on Americans is fine by him. This arrogant attitude comports perfectly with the Obama administration’s view of the subordinate relationship between religion and the state: the religious exist to serve the interests of the state, but the moment they stop serving those interests the state can eliminate them from public life.
Under the HHS mandate, a priest who objects to free contraceptives can’t descend from his pulpit to participate in public life; but a pro-abortion pol can ascend that same pulpit to preach liberalism and pander for votes. In a speech delivered from a pulpit at the African Methodist Episcopal Church in Nashville, Tennessee last June, Michelle Obama said that liberal political issues belong at church: “To anyone who says that church is no place to talk about these issues, you tell them there is no place better, no place better.” Translation: liberals reserve the right to harness the power of religion for their own purposes.
The German sociologist Max Weber used the term “caesaropapism” to describe the “complete subordination of priests to secular power.” Liberalism advances a kind of Obamaopapism, a system in which religious organizations can only enter public life if they first agree to serve as conduits for state fiats. Under Obamaopapism, Biden can simultaneously reject Church teaching on abortion and gay marriage while identifying Obamacare, food stamps, and amnesty as the perfect expression of “Catholic social doctrine.”
In the final stretch of the campaign, the Obama administration is scrambling for the pious and impious vote. It is at once the champion of supposed Catholic social doctrine and a loud proponent of a comically entitled hook-up culture. One day it rolls out a Joe Biden ad collaring Catholics; the next it airs an ad from Lena Dunham crassly appealing to college students. Dunham is the star of the HBO show “Girls,” which is Obama’s chief constituency it would seem. Dunham likens her first-time voting for Obama to a pre-marital deflowering, an analogy that she considers very flattering: “Your first time shouldn’t be with just anybody. You want to do it with a great guy. It should be with a guy with beautiful — someone who really cares about and understands women.” This is as judgmental and discriminating as the hook-up culture gets: a suitable hook-up partner is not “just anybody” but a man who stands ready to pay for the used woman’s contraceptives and abortions. Obama is that “great guy.”
From the suffragettes to Lena Dunham is an inglorious ascent, culminating in a party that boasts Bill Clinton as its most popular figure and abortion as its most defining issue. The Life of Julia and the Life of Lena leave feminism in very sad shape. Yet Obama is counting on these degraded and reductive visions of women’s issues to propel him to victory and to propel America “forward.”
He still wouldn’t want his daughters “punished with a baby” and apparently considers Sandra Fluke and Lena Dunham fitting role models for them. The Democrats don’t even talk about “soccer moms” anymore. Only the “reproductive issues” of “girls” matter now. While Biden invokes the Golden Rule, Obama hails all the “progress” that has come from violating it.
About the Author
George Neumayr, a contributing editor to The American Spectator, is co-author, with Phyllis Schlafly, of the new book, No Higher Power: Obama’s War on Religious Freedom.
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Cobalt| 10.31.12 @ 6:22AM
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C Smith | 10.31.12 @ 10:49AM
God uses the good for His purposes; the bad use God for their purposes:
"I came to my Christian faith later in life and it was because the precepts of Jesus Christ spoke to me in terms of the kind of life that I would want to lead. Being my brother's and sisters’ keeper, treating others as they would treat me..." (President Barack Hussein Obama during a pre-election campaign stop in Albuquerque, N.M.).
Remember little red riding hood and that one particularly intense moment when she says: "Grandmother, what big teeth you have"? No matter how hard the big bad wolf tried, there are some things a wolf just can't fake.
Same with President Obama today. Even with an army of ghost writers scripting the answer for an obviously staged question, faking faith just isn't easy. Here are just a few of the words of Scripture Team Obama got woefully backwards:
"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them..." (Matthew 7:12).
http://popularapostasy.blogspo.....st+writers
GobBluthe| 10.31.12 @ 5:20PM
It appears Obama will get some sort of bounce form the hurricane. 80% of those polled, including 66% of those who support Romney gave Obama good or excellent marks on handling the hurricane.
I am a conservative atheist. I would like to hear from religious conservatives. If Obama ends up winning because of a last minute surge due to the hurricane, why would God do such a thing? Why would God send Obama an unprecedented political gift?
C. Vernon Crisler | 10.31.12 @ 10:55AM
Another great article, George. They should put you in charge of AmSpec.
Appleby| 10.31.12 @ 6:43AM
Joe Biden knows as little about Catholicism as he apparently knows about good manners and proper language before ladies. Somewhere in heaven, Ma Biden is weeping.
Antonio Bertalucci| 10.31.12 @ 6:48AM
Jesus had a special sense of mission to poor and oppressed people. At the outset of his ministry, sometimes referred to as Jesus' mission statement, Jesus stood up in the synagogue at Nazareth and read from the prophet Isaiah:
"The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor." (Luke 4:18-19)
The biographies of Jesus depict him repeatedly reaching out to those at the bottom of the social pyramid--poor people, women, Samaritans, lepers, children, prostitutes and tax collectors. Jesus was also eager to accept people who were well-placed, but he made clear that all, regardless of social position, needed to repent. For this reason, he invited the rich young man to sell all of his possessions and give the proceeds to the poor. (Matthew 19:16-30, Luke 18:18-30, Mark 10:17-31)
Antonio Bertalucci| 10.31.12 @ 6:50AM
Jesus commanded, "Love your neighbor." When asked to define "neighbor," Jesus expanded the traditional meaning of the word--defining our neighbor as anyone who is in need, including social outcasts: "But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed." (Luke 14:13)
Jesus himself cared for those in need by feeding the hungry. Crowds of four thousand (Mark 8:1-13) and five thousand (Mark 6:30-44) had assembled to listen to Jesus. They soon became hungry. When his disciples suggested that Jesus send the people away to buy food, he responded by saying "I have compassion on these people..." and "you give them something to eat." He proceeded to perform miracles to feed these large crowds of hungry people.
Antonio Bertalucci| 10.31.12 @ 6:53AM
"Whatever you do for the least of these, you do for me." Bless you Mr. Biden for shining a golden light on Christ's social theology.
Shame on American Spectator for ridiculing those of us who uphold and practice the social gospel of Jesus Christ.
Shame, shame, shame.
spike59| 10.31.12 @ 6:57AM
"Whatever you do for the least of these, you do for me."
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then you would agree that these 'pro choice' cafeteria Catholics have been helping to abort our Savior?????
Antonio Bertalucci| 10.31.12 @ 7:12AM
The problem with you ultra-conservatives is that you care far more for the fetus--a blob of protoplasm with no identity and no memory-- than you care about today's children who are emotionally and physically abused.
Again, shame on you.
Truth to Power| 10.31.12 @ 7:26AM
Thanks for showing who you are. You have imagined an either or world to hide your own lack of compassion.
Prester John| 10.31.12 @ 7:42AM
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart;..."
Jeremiah 1:5
Frank Drackman| 10.31.12 @ 1:50PM
"Love thy neighbor as thy self. What, I gotta jerk him off too?"
Rodney Dangerfield, 1981
SylviaInDaytona| 10.31.12 @ 3:28PM
Very funny (to the grizzled, slobbering old men on this site),but not to me.
Only on American Spectator. Disgusting.
And from the diesel-devout--the screaming-at-the-top-of-their-lungs Christian fundies on this page-- not a word. I thought someone might consider the remark sacriligious. Never mind.
John Navratil| 10.31.12 @ 6:45PM
SylviaInDaytona,
You might want to look up sacrilege. I don't think it means what you think it means.
chuck| 10.31.12 @ 7:47AM
Antonio,
So if your daughter gets pregnant, and you don't want her "punished" with a baby, are you going to advocate the murder of you own grandchild?
Antonio Bertalucci| 10.31.12 @ 8:00AM
First of all, a fetus is not a grandchild.
The fetus has the potential to become a grandchild, but in its fetal state is certainly not in any sense of the word a child.
Murder my own grandchild? Murder?
Are you saying that all women who terminate their pregnancies are murderers? If so, we must prosecute them and build hundreds if not thousands of prisons to house them. Is this what you want?
Let's try to be reasonable.
merlin| 10.31.12 @ 8:41AM
Antonio,
"Whatever you do to the least of these . . ." I don't believe can be transformed into "Whatever you can force others to do to the least of these . . ."
Prester John, Thanks.
George Neumyer,
"A politician who stretches the category of the "least of these" to include Sandra Fluke but not unborn babies might want to avoid scriptural quotations."
Perfect.
SUBVET| 10.31.12 @ 9:38AM
Antonio...are you sure your not related to Jack......
DWoDiego| 10.31.12 @ 9:19AM
A beating heart can be detected within the first month of conception. Was Jesus just a fetus at the moment of his 'immaculate conception'? Was he eligible for abortion as far as you're concerned?
Be prepared to answer for your position when it comes time. And those are your grandchildren, you deluded idiot.
markenoff| 10.31.12 @ 3:53PM
DWoDiego at 0919 10-31-12
The Immaculate Conception does not refer to the conception of Jesus in Mary's womb. It refers to the conception of Mary in her mother Anne's womb. Since Mary was "full of grace" in the words of Elizabeth, mother of John the Baptist there was no room for original sin. A common mistake made even by Catholics whose doctrine it is.
DWoDiego| 10.31.12 @ 7:23PM
Yes you are correct....but weather it is aborting Mary or Jesus, this abhorant excuse for a human being, Antonio, has her head up her vagina. She actually thinks that she may walk with God while she kills his children.
spike59| 10.31.12 @ 9:31AM
The fetus has the potential to become a grandchild, but in its fetal state is certainly not in any sense of the word a child.
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well, except in the Biblical sense of the word...remember the Bible, that pesky book that you cafeteria Catholic/Christian 'when it's convenient' types like to quote/denigrate, depending on the political teachings of your masters in the Party?
CJW| 10.31.12 @ 10:10AM
Antonio
You do not know what you are talking about. Most states have laws protecting a fetus so that if you kill a fetus it is considerd homicide of an unborn child. Notice the word child. The laws do not apply to abortions, so that it is illegal to kil an unborn child except for the abortion.
This argument is old. There is no question that the fetus is an unborn child, but the Supreme Court has decided that the unborn child is not deserving of protection from an abortionist.
SylviaInDaytona| 10.31.12 @ 3:38PM
The fetus is growing in the woman's womb, and is therefore a part of the woman's body.
WOMEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO THEIR OWN BODIES!
You Pro-Lifers are a bunch of windbags with a hidden agenda, and part of that agenda is to exert control over women.
Women's bodies are always the issue - too unclean to be ministers or bishops, and dangerous enough to be covered up by Islam and mikvahed by Judaism. All the Abrahamic faiths find the key to morality in keeping women and their fertility under control.
With all the moral problems in this world, you have to keep banging on the abortion issue to punish women.
You've ridden your moral highhorse to death. And your tired, pathetic rhetoric makes me sick.
SylviaInDaytona| 10.31.12 @ 3:42PM
This is a male-dominated blog, and males have no say so in the matter.
Why should men need to establish any type of position at all on a subject that is clearly feminine by nature.
It is the woman's decision. Period.
SylviaInDaytona| 10.31.12 @ 3:46PM
I have just finished reading my posts, and I shout, "Brava, brava, brava!"
spike59| 10.31.12 @ 4:22PM
"SylviaInDaytona| 10.31.12 @ 3:46PM
I have just finished reading my posts, and I shout, "Brava, brava, brava!"
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dullards are like that...
DFC| 10.31.12 @ 6:17PM
Sylvia - Your position is predicated on the view that the fetus is not a person and therefore has no right to any protection under the law. We disagree with you. That disagreement is based on both the undeniable science of life and on our Catholic beliefs. Your belief that pro-life men are merely trying to "punish women" or "exert control" over them is frankly just nuts. Our position is based on the fact that there are TWO human beings involved, and one should not be given absolute legal discretion to kill the other.
But, all this misses the point. The article is about VP Biden presenting himself in a campaign video as a "good" Catholic when is position on abortion, and his advocacy for it, automatically excommunicates him from the Church. It is, in fact, the anti-Catholic position. No amount of statist redistribution in the name of social justice can cleanse him of that stain. What's worse, he creates scandal for the Church by sewing confusion among the faithful with his public statements on this issue. He needs to repent, but if he can't bring himself to do so he should at least be honest and acknowledge that his actions have excommunicated him from the Church.
SUBVET| 10.31.12 @ 8:16PM
RUSH has a name for your type...........
markenoff| 10.31.12 @ 4:08PM
Then if the woman decides to keep the child and the father disagrees the father should have no obligation to provide any support for the child.
markenoff| 10.31.12 @ 4:06PM
SylviaInDaytona| 10.31.12 @ 3:38PM
"The fetus is growing in the woman's womb, and is therefore a part of the woman's body."
Your argument is specious. You use one premise: "The fetus is growing in the woman's womb" and from that you draw the conclusion "is therefore a part of the woman's body." By your logic a anything growing in a woman's womb such as a parasite would be part of the woman's body.
Second, what all parts of your body have are identical DNA. An unborn baby growing in a woman's womb has DNA different than hers. Therefore it CANNOT be part of the woman's body. Period, end of story.
SylviaInDaytona| 10.31.12 @ 4:27PM
Do you think I -- the intellectual giant Sylvia Goldberg-- would deign to respond to your schoolboy hysterical rant?
You foolish man.
chuck| 10.31.12 @ 7:48PM
I'm thinking...........male-hating lesbian.
No doubt.
Kind of full-of-yourself. Or should I say, fool-of-yourself.
SUBVET| 10.31.12 @ 8:20PM
Sylvia.........you don't look Goldberg.
John Navratil| 10.31.12 @ 10:24AM
Antonio Bertalucci,
You have decided that life does not begin at conception and your position follows logically from that. One presumes that if you haven't divined the precise moment at which life begins that you can, at least identify two points on separate sides of that divide.
Would it be reasonable to terminate a pregnancy at a point on the "life" side of the divide? No?
Perhaps you can find it just a reasonable that those who do believe life begins at conception are arguing logically, as well.
If it weren't for the one and one-half million abortions per year despite the ready availability of the pill - giving rise to the argument of abortion as birth-control - we might not be having this conversation.
Notice that the Democrat mantra of "Safe, legal and rare" has been modified to "Safe and legal."
It is an irony that as a percentage of population, young, poor, black women - the natural Democrat - is having the greatest number of abortions.
SylviaInDaytona| 10.31.12 @ 5:43PM
Your comments, Navratil, show that you are nothing but an old fool.
John Navratil| 10.31.12 @ 5:57PM
SylviaInDaytona,
I'm sooooooo dissappointed in myself. However, an ad hominem attack really isn't very persuasive. Perhaps you could trouble yourself to point to an area of mutual disagreement. Or should I just consider myself fortunate that you deigned to comment?
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.31.12 @ 7:51PM
JN;
She gave "Brava, brava, brava" to herself, but you are "an old fool". In addition to her displayed narcissism, and multiple personality disorder (suggested by the multiple identities she adopts to agree with herself), could Sylvia be an ageist, as well?
John Navratil| 10.31.12 @ 8:09PM
Albert Constantine Jr.
I'm 56! It's the new 30, don't you know ;)
Also, where did this 'Brava' crap come from? I'm thinking of the male countertenor playing the female part - strength of voice, you know.
It's more PC stuff and malarkey!
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.31.12 @ 9:11PM
I can't yet think of anyone born during the Eisenhower Administration as old yet, despite the fact that those youngsters born when JFK was President are getting their AARP cards in the mail starting the last year or so.
Gerald| 10.31.12 @ 10:45AM
You are typical of the reprobate liberal.
Weren't you a fetus at one point? All that's required for a "fetus" to become a full term baby is time.
You are using semantics to change the meaning of murder.
I see at the end you revealed your true purpose... to murder as many black babies as you can. I love how you white liberals try and mask your true intentions.
SylviaInDaytona| 10.31.12 @ 5:45PM
CRETINS! All of you!
John Navratil| 10.31.12 @ 6:00PM
SylviaInDaytona,
Did you choose the word 'cretin' for its Christian origin?
chuck| 10.31.12 @ 11:22AM
Antonio,
Let's try answering my question. Are you go to advocate the murder of your own grandchild?
Peter| 10.31.12 @ 1:04PM
No lets not be reasonable since you like to quote the Bible here is one for you: "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart"... those you on the Left have been slaughtering people for years in the name of social justice, idiots like Biden now use Catholic Social teaching to shield what they really are.. Ghouls
C'mon Man!| 10.31.12 @ 3:31PM
Wow, Antonio, maybe you should read your bible - especially the part where the baby (John the Baptist) leapt in Elizabeth's womb when Mary showed up with Jesus in her womb. Would you say John was just an abortable fetus at that point?
The rest of you, Antonio is not in any way on his way to heaven in any place but his own mind.
markenoff| 10.31.12 @ 3:58PM
From a Constitutional stand point the 14th Amendment says that no person will be denied life, liberty or property without due process of law. In our system we err in favor of those with less power as illustrated by all the protections we give criminal dependents including the beyond a reasonable doubt standard. Since we cannot say that an unborn baby is not a person we must err on the side of the weaker, the unborn child and extend to them the protections of the 14th Amendment. That would not necessarily eliminate abortion but would require that due process be followed to protect the unborn child before a woman was able to kill the child.
John II| 10.31.12 @ 5:59PM
"First of all, a fetus is not a grandchild."
Excuse me, jerk, but my daughter and one of my daughters-in-law are pregnant now. They're carrying two of my grandchildren, right now.
Let's try to know what the hell we're talking about before we open our big mouths.
In the words of that great philosopher Daffy Duck, "You're despicable!"
John II| 10.31.12 @ 6:01PM
The preceding comment belongs way up on the thread. I just don't follow how this stupid technology works.
Occam's Tool| 10.31.12 @ 6:42PM
I found your comment on John Huston. The answer to your view of him is spot on from my considered opinion.
I am always amazed at what G-d gives and takes away when he gives humans the gift of true genius. A great example in psychiatric/psychological research is Kay Jamison; a great example in the hard sciences is Steinmetz, a great example in mathematics is Isaac Newton.
Then there are the great athletes who stay emotional imbeciles all their lives (Barry Bonds and Lance Armstrong). Ah, well.
Occam's Tool| 10.31.12 @ 6:20PM
John II:
I would have loved to have had you as a prof (regardless of how you feel about the title, you deserve an honorific; if you prefer Doctor, that's fine with me, too), and Mazel Tov on the kids and grandkids. I am running away to go trick or treating with my munchkins.
Frank Drackman| 10.31.12 @ 1:51PM
Yes, and his father too.
Frank
Jacob McCandles| 10.31.12 @ 8:17AM
No, shame on you, you pompous POS. I doubt if Jesus would advocate sending armed men to my home to confiscate my property in the name of government rules. Charity comes from the heart, and it is done VOLUNTARILY, not under the force of law.
The democrats biggest donors and those who whine about the "rich" doing their fair share still scramble to reduce their OWN tax burdens. Democrats also have been show to give MUCH LESS TO CHARITABLE CAUSES.
Stephie| 10.31.12 @ 8:22AM
Antonio, you need to do some research on abortion, the development of a human baby and how abortion affects women and a country that so readily accepts it. You have bought into the liberal lie and the liberal degradation of it's women. Jesus would NOT promote abortion, the slaughtering of it's most innocent.
Antonio Bertalucci| 10.31.12 @ 8:34AM
Read my 10:31 post, Stephie.
I am not going to sit here and argue. I have far more important things to do--work, for example.
If you claim that abortion is murder, then the murderers must be punished. Lifetime sentences perhaps?
I suppose you're claiming that the woman with four children who gets pregnant and terminates her pregnancy in the first trimester is a murderer. Correct? And you equate her abortion with the murder of a five year old child who is kidnapped and murdered by a sadistic killer. Is this your reasoning on the matter?
What is the punishment you pro-lifers want for women who have had an abortion. Name the punishment.
merlin| 10.31.12 @ 8:46AM
Antonio,
Most women who have abortions are punished.
I'm glad you have work. Lucky you in Obama's economy.
SUBVET| 10.31.12 @ 9:42AM
Antonio.........just why are you here posting if you should be working........troll
Ryan| 10.31.12 @ 8:46AM
Honestly, yes it is. If life begins at conception, then millions of women - and the abortion "doctors" - have committed murder. Many Christians believe it is, essentially, our great national Sin - that we have allowed murder to go unchecked for decades now. That we have allowed our laws to degrade to allow it to happen, and that (even worse) we have allowed our national character to degrade to where it is a sideline fight.
Were abortion allowed tomorrow, I would push for a great national repentance of the evil, and not push for women to be prosecuted for it in any manner - let it sit on their conscience between them and God, and let us all seek repentance.
TinaB| 10.31.12 @ 5:40PM
The woman's burden may be her punishment, if she comes to realize she killed her baby. The woman who never cares about her aborted child, who knows. She must not want a relationship with God or she would at some point care about her aborted child. The woman who finds God and asks Him, receives forgiveness. She will join her baby in Eternity and there all wounds are healed.
I was in an unplanned pregnancy, prayed mightily, felt an adoption would be best for both my baby and my 4 year old son. The baby's father agreed. The experience, though agony for a moment in time, was my finest hour in retrospect. We have since found
each other and all our families have bonded from MN to FL. We are still family. That's just one adoption story. I'm an adoption not abortion child of God. So is Wally, thank you.
You girls who think it's a blob not a baby, and kill it, have not only robbed a child of life, but yourselves of a wonderfully exciting experience of real life giving, not the phony Obama kind. Quite the opposite.
chuck| 10.31.12 @ 7:52PM
God bless you, Tina.
John II| 10.31.12 @ 10:53AM
"I am not going to sit here and argue."
That's true. You don't have any arguments. All you have is smug emoting, a penchant for false analogies and opportunistic citations, and a ghastly ego.
In the event that you may consider yourself a Catholic, you're merely mistaken. The word is out, Tony, and you can check Canon Law if you'd like: Catholics who support politicians who promote the culture of death are automatically excommunicated, latae sententiae.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.31.12 @ 12:00PM
But professor, do you mean that what you're doing now is not work? Then why is the university charging those students (and their parents, and the taxpayers, etc.) all of that money if this is merely a pasttime?
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.31.12 @ 12:02PM
The above remark is directed at "Antonio Bertalucci".
CJW| 10.31.12 @ 12:11PM
Albert
Another phony name from our friends at the second rate university, this one must be a fan of Bernardo Bertolucci, the lefty/commie Italian film director. They can't even spell Bertolucci correctly which is offensive to real Italians and tells you it is a phony name.
John II| 10.31.12 @ 12:40PM
I sure hope so.
John II| 10.31.12 @ 12:42PM
That last remark is directed to Al's first remark. This is getting confusing.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.31.12 @ 1:56PM
Yes John II. Knowing how you regard the honorific "Professor", I was using it in the same vein to today's fraudulent commenter, but imagine my chagrin when my comment appeared under your post.
TLP| 10.31.12 @ 5:00PM
Albert.
tpennell4@comcast.net
Call Me.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.31.12 @ 8:22PM
I just did around 8 p.m. through one of my many front organizations.
John II| 10.31.12 @ 6:06PM
Well, imagine how I feel every time a student addresses me as "Professor." Mostly I just grimace quietly, but sometimes I burst out laughing--and THEN do I ever have a lot of 'splainin' to do.
John II| 10.31.12 @ 6:07PM
The preceding comment belongs before the preceding comment. I think I'm going to shoot myself now.
Occam's Tool| 10.31.12 @ 6:02PM
John II: on a personal note, did you see my note about www.rifftrax.com. ? The guys from MST3K are at it again. A particular favorite of mine is the short "unto the least of these," which is an Aggie joke (I'm a Horned Frog, myself), a Texas Joke, and a Jimmy Carter joke (Mike Nelson is Conservative) all rolled into one.
Anyhow, for all the enjoyment I've had reading your stuff, a piece of payback and G-d Bless.
(Full disclosure---I have no financial interest in rifftrax---hell, the guys wouldn't know me from Adam. But they are Conservative, and funny.)
John II| 10.31.12 @ 6:10PM
I did indeed, Occie, and I responded to it at some length. I'll try to find the response and bring it up here. Stick around. (I think it was about John Huston, so it's a pretty lengthy response.)
Occam's Tool| 10.31.12 @ 6:16PM
Antonio: fewer babies=fewer adult workers when you retire=fewer workers to wipe your rear-end in a nursing home, or man the ambulances that will take you to the hospital when "you've fallen and you can't get up."
Oh, and fewer to pay for your social security benefits. Amazing that if we had those 50 million kids born that were aborted post Roe V Wade, we wouldn't be discussing a Social Security/Welfare Crisis.
I simply mention self interest as a reason to oppose abortion since killing babies otherwise seems to be OK with you.
For me, the epiphany moment took place when they wanted to legalize euthanasia, and I realized that I could be sued for malpractice in such a situation if I did NOT endorse killing someone.
Occam's Tool| 10.31.12 @ 6:17PM
Part two of the comment above:
The whole "culture of death" argument thus became clear. Most of the patients who ask for euthanasia in the Netherlands apparently meet the criterion for clinical depression, by the way. As a psychiatrist, that really offended me.
"J Clin Oncol. 2005 Sep 20;23(27):6607-12. Epub 2005 Aug 22.
Euthanasia and depression: a prospective cohort study among terminally ill cancer patients.
van der Lee ML, van der Bom JG, Swarte NB, Heintz AP, de Graeff A, van den Bout J.
SourceDepartment of Clinical Psychology, Faculty Social Sciences, Utrecht University, Utrecht, the Netherlands. m.l.vanderlee@erasmusmc.nl
RESULTS: Of 138 patients, 32 patients had depressed mood at inclusion. Thirty patients (22%) made an explicit request for euthanasia. The risk to request euthanasia for patients with depressed mood was 4.1 times higher than that of patients without depressed mood at inclusion (95% CI, 2.0 to 8.5).
CONCLUSION: Depression in cancer patients with an estimated life expectancy of less than 3 months is associated with a higher likelihood to request for euthanasia. The question of whether depressed mood can adequately be treated in this terminally ill population [ as a practicing psychiatrist---yes, it bloody well can! OT], and if so, whether it would lower the incidence of requests for euthanasia needs further investigation."
The Culture of Death wishes to kill "inconvenient" people before birth and near death.
Skippy| 10.31.12 @ 2:48PM
Motherhood is not a punishment.
Except for your Mom.
C'mon Man!| 10.31.12 @ 3:35PM
Wow, antonio, you are right, let's decriminalixe ALL abhorrent behavior, as it would take too much to punish the offenders. Let's start by housing some rapists in your house, ok?
What? you don't agree? Figures...typical liberal who refuses to act on his convictions except where others suffer.
spike59| 10.31.12 @ 4:24PM
"I am not going to sit here and argue"
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in other words, you have nothing coherent to say, and facts only confuse you
Occam's Tool| 10.31.12 @ 6:43PM
What does having four children have to do with it? Do you have any idea what the number of people waiting to adopt a kid is like?
Stephie| 10.31.12 @ 8:28AM
That's always the come back from the regressive left when someone tells them the truth about abortion.
TLP| 10.31.12 @ 8:37AM
And, there it is.
He couldn't help himself.
Like The Muslim who used the Seals to get Bin Laden, only to turn his back on them in their time of need, Antonio Bananauphisass sees fit to Quote Scripture when it suits his purpose.
CHRIST said of The Poor: "The Poor will always be among us."
What he said of the Children was: "Suffer the little Children to come unto ME."
You must have that other Bible. The one that Sandra Fluke uses to get her @ss up in the air on Pool Tables. The one that says: "If you knock up your Ho? Get your MFing @ss down to Plammed Parenthood, and get that little Sumb*tch ripped the hell outta there, and thrown in the trash."
I don't have that one.
But I'd bet a Dollar to a Free Dildo that Gay Bathhouse Boy had his Hand on it 4 Januarys ago.
TLP| 10.31.12 @ 8:39AM
Prester John| 10.31.12 @ 7:42AM
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart;..."
Jeremiah 1:5
Well done - Prester John.
That says it all.
Antonio Bertalucci| 10.31.12 @ 8:42AM
Thanks, TLP for illustrating the dignified demeanor of AmSpec's readership. Classy. I'm impressed.
Tom Kyba| 10.31.12 @ 10:50AM
Um...aren't you going to be late for work...oops, I guess that was b.s. too. A liberal is as a liberal does, which is lie about true motives.
John II| 10.31.12 @ 12:46PM
And thank YOU, Tony, for another illustration of your juvenile snarkiness.
What would you know of dignity, you cad?
And now back to "Duck Soup" (1933), in which Groucho Marx delivers the perfect insult to the ambassador (Louis Calhern): "Never darken my towels again!"
John II| 10.31.12 @ 12:47PM
The above remark was addressed to . . . oh, forget it.
C'mon Man!| 10.31.12 @ 3:38PM
Antonio, I would much prefer TLP's company than yours. Your "proper" discourse doesn't disguise the disgusting person that you are. TLP's coarse language is only necessitated by our long suffering due to fools like you.
markenoff| 10.31.12 @ 3:50PM
And Obama gave us a great example of being your brother's keeper and taking care of those less fortunate when he sent $1,000 to his half-brother in Africa who lives in a shack to pay for his half-nephews medical care. Oh wait, that was conservative author Dinesh Dsouza.
JmsA| 11.1.12 @ 1:38AM
Bravo. Bravissimo. I knew you'd come around.
Ryan| 10.31.12 @ 8:42AM
The idea that Christians do not care about the recently born is a MASSIVE lie.
Christians have formed NUMEROUS adoption agencies, where there are WAITING LINES for newborn children. Look them up in your state - you won't find many sponsored by atheists.
CJW| 10.31.12 @ 8:49AM
Antonio
"A blob of protoplasm with no identity and no memory." Would Jesus say that about the least of us?
But on the other hand, that describes LaughinBoy Biden and Obama.
John II| 10.31.12 @ 12:48PM
It describes Tony pretty well too.
ebonystone| 10.31.12 @ 6:16PM
"A blob of protoplasm with no identity and no memory."
Sounds like an Obama voter.
Minuteman78| 10.31.12 @ 9:30AM
I've never heard such a incredulously stupid line of crap in all my life. Is that you, Joe Biden? Hey uncle Joe, while you're preaching, see the line below from book of Jeremiah. Really....a "blob of protoplasm"? I'd like to see some man who was a premature birth survivor and has grown up to be a football player who levels quarterbacks come up there and show you what blobs of protoplasm look like, while they are punching your lights out. (That would be my son.)
John II| 10.31.12 @ 12:54PM
Actually, it's either "incredibly" ("incredibly stupid line") or "credulously" ("credulously stupid"--meaning he believes all the crap that slimes out of the Obama machine).
Tony obviously does NOT have balls the size of billiard balls.
Occam's Tool| 10.31.12 @ 6:25PM
Actually, John II, yes he does, but it's no cause to brag or a cause of enjoyment---he needs to stay away from Thailand, where he goes to satisfy those urges he cannot satisfy legally in the States.
Look up: Lymphatic filariasis. (It's fun to have an MD for more reasons than practicing. My insults can be truly vile.)
Anthony| 10.31.12 @ 10:36AM
Hey Antonio ole buddy, it's hard to have an identity or to have a memory when a fetus is aborted before allowed the luxury of sufficient time to live, think, and dream.
A blob of protoplasm you say? Try making that argument when you stand in front of your Maker. It should win you real points, there boy.
Oh, and what about the $ billions spent on today's children, not enough I guess.
But obviously a few emotionally and physically abused children have managed to find TAS to blog on. Hey, are you related to vtwin?
KennesawJack| 10.31.12 @ 11:02AM
Antonio, exactly WHICH Christian denomination do you belong to that taught you that? The name "Bertalucci" would normally indicate a person of Catholic persuasion but, surely, that can't describe you, as the Catholic Church is quite clear on what that little blob of protoplasm means to it. So, I ask again, exactly which denomination teaches your "doctrine"? I'm Lutheran. We don't teach that. Methodists don't teach that. Presbyterians don's teach that. Anglicans don't teach that. United Church of Christ doesn't teach that. Mennonites don't teach that. The African Methodist Episcopal Church doesn't teach that. Baptists don't teach that. Moravians don't teach that. Mormons don't teach that. Congregationalists don't teach that. Pentecostals don't teach that. You, sir, are the one who should be ashamed. Something tells me there is a very special spot in a very, very hot place waiting for folks like you.
CJW| 10.31.12 @ 12:13PM
K Jack
Antonio is not Catholic or Italian. He/she does not even know how to spell the surname, it is Bertolucci, they are using the name of the Italian film director, Bernardo Bertolucci. I think he made Last Tango in Paris.
John II| 10.31.12 @ 6:19PM
Yes, he was both director and writer. There's an X-rated version and an R-rated version, depending on camera angles, I guess. Brando took the chic 1973 NY Film Critics award, but I think the flick (and Brando generally) is overrated.
That reminds me. I have to make spaghetti for dinner tomorrow.
CJW| 10.31.12 @ 9:23PM
JohnII
I saw the R rated version. Do you remember an All in the Family episode where Archie went for a walk, saw a moviehouse playing Last Tango, thought it was a musical, and then rolled his eyes about seeing to much of Brando and butter. Movie was average, I like most of Brando's movies.
JP| 10.31.12 @ 11:04AM
Antonio,
God infused into them a soul. I thought you would know that. If you don't like that, take it up with God.
Albertus Magnus| 10.31.12 @ 11:30AM
Senor Bertalucci,
This is horse manure. Your Bible quotes are accurate enough, but you miss the context. Jesus GAVE to the poor. He FED the poor. He showed the poor a better way to live and be close to God the Father. What Jesus did NOT do, and what the Bible does NOT teach, is to TAKE from other people and PRETEND to be "giving" and "charitable" using other people's money. God teaches to give of oneself, not take from others. Joe Biden does not give charity to the poor, he TAKES from the hard earned wages of working people and BUYS the votes of non-working people with it.
People like you and Biden have no concept of morality and justice, and you only understand images. Biden is not a "giver" he is a TAKER. Your dismissal of protests over Biden's brazen advocation of the violent deaths of unborn children is a clear demonstration of the utter lack of understanding you have about the Bible, the teachings of Jesus, and the Promise of God the Father.
Note: Your attempts to portray conservatives as hypocrites for not "helping the poor" are as vaccuous as your understanding of the Bible. Conservatives give to charities, but they do so quietly, without fanfare, and they do so PERSONALLY, without the mechanics of government, and they do so by giving of their OWN wealth, not by TAKING the wealth of others and then congratulating themselves for their false charity, as do liberal asses like you and Joe Biden.
John II| 10.31.12 @ 1:01PM
Actually, the problem with you ultra-liberals is that you have your heads so far up your asses that you've wound up with two heads, each with half the IQ of the original.
It's a pretty nifty trick, though, one must admit.
John II| 10.31.12 @ 1:05PM
That last remark was addressed to Tony way up the thread where he starts with "The problem with you ultra-conservatives . . ."
I guess it fits okay here too, so skip it.
Looking Up| 10.31.12 @ 3:07PM
Wow. Secular scientists wouldn't even agree with you. Time to update your reading list.
To be pro-choice, you first have to be born.
TinaB| 10.31.12 @ 5:17PM
Shame on you for quoting Scripture and then abandoning it to prove a point you want to make. You are using God for your purposes, just as C Smith says before you opened your pie hole. You use flowery words and in your final post you show your butt completely. Like your leader you are a phony Christian. Yawn.
TinaB| 10.31.12 @ 5:18PM
That was to that Bertolucci phony.
The Avenger| 10.31.12 @ 7:14AM
As with most liberals, you miss the entire point of the article. I'm shocked!
francisdesales| 10.31.12 @ 9:01AM
Antonio,
It seems that you like to pick and choose Scriptures. You ignore "thou shall not murder", but conflate the words of jesus - meant for individuals - to government policy. Jesus never suggested that ROME had a responsibility to feed the hungry and clothe the naked. No, this responsibility belongs to the individual.
Learn your faith better - if you are Catholic. Social justice applies to the individual. There is no Scripture that speaks of forming a government into a caring, loving entity. YOU are supposed to be the city on the hill, you and other Christians. Not the government.
Tom Kyba| 10.31.12 @ 10:46AM
Ah, after 2 self-serving posts the real point comes out. Anyone got a 3 dollar bill on them?
markenoff| 10.31.12 @ 4:01PM
Antonia Bertalucci at 0653 10-31-12
"Whatever you do for the least of these, you do for me."
Good to hear you disagree with Obama's position that survivors of abortion deserve no protection.
Cpm| 10.31.12 @ 5:29PM
I don't remember Jesus Christ advocating unfettered access to abortion on the taxpayer's dime.
Shame on you Tony, shame, shame, shame.
spike59| 10.31.12 @ 7:00AM
perhaps i missed the part where he told the GOVERNMENT to confiscate the earnings of the people???????? funny, those of us who are Christians understand Christ's teachings about our duty to the less fortunate to be aimed at US as His followers, not some 'we will financially support (keep dependent) those who vote for our party' bureaucrats
markenoff| 10.31.12 @ 3:48PM
Don't forget the part where Jesus commanded that the rich give 50% of their income to the government so it could be laundered through an unaccountable bureacracy and them distributed by politicians in exchange for votes. Book of Democrats chapter 1, versus 2. Right after Dems 1:1 where He initiates the greatest sacrament, the sacrifice of unborn children on the altar of their mother's and father's convenience.
Ryan| 10.31.12 @ 8:47AM
The point of his ministry was repentance - from sin - something that the religious left runs wholeheartedly away from, and continues to misinterpret.
C. Vernon Crisler | 10.31.12 @ 10:58AM
Yes, repentance and PERSONAL charity. Jesus mentioned NOTHING about government charity or redistribution.
JP| 10.31.12 @ 11:01AM
And how does murdering the unborn further's Christ's Kingdom?
Perhaps you should be reminded of Christ's admonition against leading people astray- it would be better if they tie a millstone around their own necks and jump into the deepest sea.
And perhaps you should re-read what happened to Judas. Like you, he had little faith and regarded Christ as nothing more than a social worker.
Occam's Tool| 10.31.12 @ 5:55PM
"It should be with a guy with a beautiful----micropenis."
Occam's Tool| 10.31.12 @ 5:57PM
No, no she isn't. Apparently, his dad was just as cretinous as Joe...
chuck| 10.31.12 @ 7:44AM
When Obama talks about his daughters "punished" with a baby, that's his grandchildren he's talking about killing.
Stephie| 10.31.12 @ 8:24AM
And that's very telling, isn't it Chuck?
chuck| 10.31.12 @ 11:19AM
It truly is a chilling thought, is it not?
John II| 10.31.12 @ 6:24PM
Yes, I recall in 2008 his using the expression "get rid of it" with respect to the unborn child. But I already knew the Professor was a low-life. What really shocked me was the deadpan reception of his ghastly remark by the moronic audience he was addressing.
These are scary times.
rjh| 10.31.12 @ 10:38AM
I had not thought of it that way before. obama is truly a disgusting excuse for a human being.
Kwan| 10.31.12 @ 8:07AM
Ignorance is bliss it would seem, at least if you buy into any of Father Buckwheat Biden's Sermons-on-the-Stump. Father Biden assures us that all is well, but in order to keep things running as smoothly as they are we must vote to reelect him and Da Community Organizer. In the movie "The Matrix" humans are kept docile in a simulation of a world that doesn't exist called the "Matrix". Similarly the simulated world that Father Biden would have us believe exists doesn't exist, it's a fabrication of Democrat-Communist Party lies. "This is the real world", Morpheus tells Neo. In our country the real world consists of an economy that has stalled. Unemployment at record highs. Inflation moving prices upwards. The Middle-East on the verge of war. A healthcare law that promises to plunge the country into fiscal insolvency. Obama waging a "War on Oil" while his EPA is waging a "War on Coal". Yet Father Biden assures us that Hope and Change is on the horizon, if only we'll continue to keep our faith.
TLP| 10.31.12 @ 8:55AM
That is the Power of The Contest, Mr. Kwan.
It gets inside your head. It takes over your mind. It controls your thoughts, until everything around you reminds you of either Joannie loves Chachi-episode 6: When Chachi has to make a speech in front of the Auditorium and forgets to wear his Pants. Or that "I Love Lucy" episode where Lucy disguises herself as a Marimba Dancer, to get on Ricky's Show, while Ethel dresses like a man and pretends to be an Entertainment Reporter.
Or, maybe it's just me? Maybe I'm the only one that is being affected by The Contest. Like that kid in The Sixth Sense. Or, Dr. Smith in Lost and Space - Season 2: episode 5.
Kwan| 10.31.12 @ 9:16AM
November 6th is "Flush the Commie Rats out of Office Day"
Gurgle, gurgle.
Glub, glub, glub.
"They all float down here."...Pennywise the Clown from the movie "IT"
TLP| 10.31.12 @ 10:29AM
This is why your Mantle is cluttered with Imaginary Prizes with No Cash Value.
And, Stephie's is not.
Hardcard| 10.31.12 @ 8:15AM
this guy(antonio) is a paid troll in the employ of soros. don't waste your time.
JimH| 10.31.12 @ 8:39AM
You use the term: ‘caesaropapism’. From the times of the tribal leader and shamans to nobles and priest castes to emperors and popes there has existed an uneasy alliance between religious and secular authority. They have striven for dominance over the other. Witness the French revolution and Islamic theocracy’s as examples of one side overwhelming the other. Usually, while striving for dominance between themselves, they present a common face to the plebs, each reinforcing the authority of the other. They do this to maintain themselves at the top and continue the gravy train of mulcting the people. This is not to say that there have not been good idealistic leaders in both camps, but it is the dominant history of both government and organized religion.
Anthony| 10.31.12 @ 8:50AM
You got it wrong George, that was Jesus quoting Biteme, not the other way around.
Can't wait for this moron to finally fade into sunset, like so many of his pals, Teddy and Arlen.
I hope his choppers are sent to the Smithsonian, next to the other freaks of nature.
mikehorn| 10.31.12 @ 8:52AM
Pro-Life implies that you continue support and compassion for, well, as long as something is alive. You cannot be pro-life and anti-education, for instance. Since taxes pay for free pre- and post-natal care for mothers, takes care of poor pregnant women, funds education for children and for illiterate parents, even provides food while they learn, all of these endeavors are implied by the term Pro-Life. You cannot claim pro-life if you want to slash taxes and starve the government. If all you care about is abortion, then you are pro-birth, and anti-life.
TLP| 10.31.12 @ 9:12AM
And you can't be Pro-Idiot and think that mikehorn's comment is the obvious scribblings of a no friends Moron.
In mikehorn's world: When you're finished peeking at your sister in the shower, and you've cleaned yourself off? You need to run down town and Pay some Taxes. If you don't? You can't possibly be Pro-Life.
In mikehorn's world: When your done parading around in your Mom's Underwear, and you've put her Free Vibrator back in her drawer? You need to write out a check to the 537 Worst People on the Planet, so they can dole it out to all their buddies, who, in return, will make themselves all RICH like Harry Ried/Small Town Lawyer turned Super Millionaire.
Otherwise, you can't possibly be Pro-Life.
Or even Pro-Idiot, for that matter.
Ryan| 10.31.12 @ 9:44AM
I support compassion by giving to Christian adoption agencies, which have waiting lines for parents who cannot have children or are able to care for those who cannot or will not.
I support abstinence-promoting education (not necessarily abstinence-only), with sound moral (Biblical) backing of how extra/pre-marital sex is both sinful and a bad, bad idea.
I support parents actually being married, providing a better foundation (and less likelihood of poverty) for their children than government provision for irresponsibility.
I am pro-life.
Cpm| 10.31.12 @ 5:33PM
So all that taxpayer financed swag absolves you of the extermination of millions of unborn babies? You're whistling past the graveyard.
mikehorn| 10.31.12 @ 9:03AM
First sentence should have been "...support and have compassion for..." Sorry for the hasty typing.
TLP| 10.31.12 @ 9:13AM
See?
IDIOT.
mikehorn| 10.31.12 @ 9:06AM
Read Numbers 5: 11-21. God clearly condones abortion in the cases of rape, infidelity, and unwarranted male jealousy.
Ryan| 10.31.12 @ 9:54AM
The passage does not describe abortion. Sorry, that's just a leftist attempt at an apologetic for abortion.
The remainder of scripture also holds up the value of unborn children (When I was in my mothers womb...), and nowhere condones abortion in any manner.
Drunken Sailor| 10.31.12 @ 2:05PM
Your Hermeneutics needs some work.
Skippy| 10.31.12 @ 3:23PM
"unwarranted male jealousy."
WTF is that?
John II| 10.31.12 @ 6:27PM
"Your hermaneutics needs some work."
Actually, his exegesis sucks. He might understand you if you word it that way.
Cpm| 10.31.12 @ 5:36PM
You've been reading Tom Friedman who thinks the term "Pro-Life" can be won by the Democrats because of all the bloated government programs put in place to assuage their collective guilt over their embrace of eugenics and infanticide.
Pecos Pete| 10.31.12 @ 9:10AM
mike: What if we care about pro-birth and using our personal funds for charitable purposes and don't much care for the government telling us what to do with out own property? You liberal progressives have all the answers ... none of which work. The USA's economy and financial affairs are a disaster and you claim to be for fairness. Well, your fairness is going to cause chaos for more people than our charitable giving.
mikehorn| 10.31.12 @ 9:12AM
Just want people to understand what they are actually for. Pro-birth is your stand, fine. But if you also cheer on wars, think the death penalty and stand your ground laws are good, don't kid yourself about being pro-life.
TLP| 10.31.12 @ 9:24AM
Also, in mikehorn's world: You and I don't really know what we want. We don't really know what we believe.
In mikehorn's world: we all need mikehorn to explain it to us.
Ya see: mikehorn is one of those liberal types, who knows everything about everything.
You don't believe me?
Just look at every place in this Country that the mikehorns have been Running for the last 30 Years.
California, Illinois, Michigan. Detroit, Cleveland, Oakland, Camden, Baltimore, CHICAGO - Homebase for The Domestic Enemy........(You get the picture)
This is what confronts us.
Psychobabble Idiots, who actually believe the Sh*t that their Proffesors put in their heads.
Take the Blue Pill, mike, and just go away.
Minuteman78| 10.31.12 @ 9:33AM
And you're just the reverse, only worse. You believe in killing unborn children who have never ever harmed anyone in their short life, but would protect the life of a convicted axe murderer. That's sick. BTW, tell that moral-less gutter slut Lena Dunham to get off my TV.
Ryan| 10.31.12 @ 9:55AM
I support justice for murder. I support self-defense.
Scripture does as well.
It does not support murder of innocent unborn babies.
KennesawJack| 10.31.12 @ 11:05AM
Mike, pro-birth is pro life, - someone else's life. The last three examples you give are also pro-life. Mine.
Drunken Sailor| 10.31.12 @ 2:06PM
So if your a liberal and support pro-choice but are against the death penalty your kidding yourself as well, right?
The difference is the fetus/child is innocent.
markenoff| 10.31.12 @ 4:17PM
mikehorn 0912 10-31-12
God believes in the death penalty. Annanias and Sapphira.
mikehorn| 10.31.12 @ 9:14AM
Perhaps I should point out that you are against people telling you what to do with your money, but you are fine with forcing them to act in certain ways in their life? Inconsistency isn't helping the pro-birth folks.
TLP| 10.31.12 @ 9:31AM
I think I speak for all of us when I say that-When it comes to BUTCHERING a little Unborn Baby in its Mother's Womb?
That's not "acting in a certain way in their life".
It's Cold Blooded Murder, of the Worst Kind.
Now, go get your Candles, and go with your like-minded buddies, down to Texas or Florida, and hold a Vigil for some Scumbag who Slit some 12 Year Old Girl's Throat, cause she wouldn't stop screaming while he was RAPING her.
Pecos Pete| 10.31.12 @ 11:51AM
mikehorn: You, are as slimey as vtwin, another Village Idiot. Yes indeedy, I forced my children to study when they were in school, get haircuts, take a bath, and eat their veggies. Yes indeedy, I support reasonable speeding laws and requiring a valid photo ID proving a voter is a citizen of the voter's precinct and old enough to vote. And, yes indeedy, you support forcing death on children. I will take my type of forcing to yours any day.
Cpm| 10.31.12 @ 5:39PM
Your arguments aren't helping the pro-death, pro abortion folks.
Sara L| 10.31.12 @ 9:24AM
Mr. Bertolucci may be interested to know that this "blob of protoplasm with no identity and no memory" has a strong heartbeat as early as most mothers can know whether or not they are pregnant. Nothing can better represent "the least of these" than a living fetus. It may be inconvenient. It may be embarrassing. But it is still a baby.
gene| 10.31.12 @ 9:50AM
If it is not alive?
Then why does it have to be killed?
Amazing is that these same people are trying to force others to "respect life" and become vegans.
gene| 10.31.12 @ 9:48AM
The Religious Card can only be pulled to help Liberals. Otherwise it has no place in politics.
Everyone knows that. Obama/Biden are still going down like the Titanic, however.
Ryan| 10.31.12 @ 9:56AM
Religion is ingrained in politics. Politics is merely an expression of religious beliefs laid out into law.
gene| 10.31.12 @ 9:58AM
I also find the MSM's distortions on abortion to be an obscenity. The media made a BIG deal supporting Clinton when he vetoed the ban on Partial Birth Abortion, because he stated that there was no provision concerning the health of the mother. In a Partial Birth Abortion, the BABY is born feet first in a breeach presentation and the birth process is stopped before the head leaves the mother.. While the head is still in the mother, a tube is inserted into the base of the skull and the brains sucked out. The "dead fetus" is then removed completely. The MSM never explains that there is NO MEDICAL REASON in protecting the mother to stop the birth process and suck out the baby's brains. The only reason for this is because if you waited for the baby to be completely seperated from the mother and it is breathing, crying, etc, etc and then you perform this procedure, then you would be committing an act of Capital Murder. A Premeditated killing. That is the reason and the ONLY reason for the way this procedure is performed. That is one BIG ELEPHANT in the room that no one talks about.
Who Knows?| 10.31.12 @ 10:00AM
Ah, the hoary church and state problem, again.
People myth-understand. Period. For Islam, Mohammed is “The Man”, and for Christianity, it’s Jesus.
“The popular myth of Jesus is an Idol of mass religion. It was created by the exoteric Christian Church, when it moved to legitimize itself in the eyes of the secular state of Rome. That Idol is worshipped by popular belief, and many have been and continue to be deluded and oppressed by the Cult of that Idol.
The popular cult of Jesus is founded on archaic cosmological archetypes. Jesus is believed to have come down from Heaven (or the sky of stars above the Earth) and become a blood sacrifice (in the ancient style of cults that ritually killed animals and men), and then he is supposed to have risen up into the sky again---back to Heaven. The man Jesus is popularly believed to be God, the Creator of the Universe, and his death is glorified as a necessary Cosmic Event that somehow makes it unnecessary for any believer to suffer permanent mortal death.
All of this, and more, may have made some kind of imaginative, street-level sense in the days of the Roman Empire, but it is nothing more than benighted silliness in the last quarter of the twentieth century. And, in any case, none of this idolatry was the teaching or the intention of Jesus or any of the other great spiritual Adepts of the world.” Da Free John, 1980
JP| 10.31.12 @ 11:11AM
"It was created by the exoteric Christian Church, when it moved to legitimize itself in the eyes of the secular state of Rome."
Funny, Rome was in the process of murdering tens of thousands of Christians. Not sure how the Church could legitimize itself when its people were being crucified and fed to the lions
Who Knows?| 10.31.12 @ 11:38AM
Where is the papacy?
Why, it’s in Rome!
How did the Roman Empire become the HOLY Roman Empire?
AFTER the period of slaughtering early Christians, somehow Jesus became “the God Man” of the Empire. And, this meant the Church did move to legitimize itself in the eyes of the Empire. How else could the Empire adopt Christianity as its religion, and forgo the sun god, and all the other “false” idols it had heretofore accepted?
Remember, history takes TIME, so your focusing on the early conflict between the regime and Christianity ignores what took place LATER.
markenoff| 10.31.12 @ 4:21PM
Who Knows? 1138 10-31-12
You certainly don't. Your historical ignorance is shocking. The "Holy Roman Empire" NEVER referred to the classic Roman empire and has never included Rome. The first Holy Roman Emperor was Charlemagne.
John II| 10.31.12 @ 6:31PM
"How did the Roman Empire become the HOLY Roman Empire?"
It didn't. As all historians would agree, the Holy Roman Empire was neither holy nor Roman nor an empire. You need to brush up on your history, Hooie.
Frank Drackman| 10.31.12 @ 11:30AM
Ummmm Devil gonna GETCHA...
and are you smarter than Newton?
No, not Cam Newton, Issac, the one with the apples, Integral Calculus, and slapped a mean Bass(and a few Honkies) on "The Theme from Shaft"
Issac Newton believed in Hey-Zeuss, so go kill yourself,
I mean don't kill yourself, cause you'll just end up rotting in a box.
Frank
Who Knows?| 10.31.12 @ 11:44AM
Devil ALREADY got you.
You rest your argument on Isaac Newton BELIEVING in Jesus?
Jesus Christ!
Man, are you unsaved!
Isaac's been dead a long time. And, besides, what does his belief have to do with you? Oh, I get the logic.
He was a smart man. Therefore, I must believe HIM.
Ever think for yourself, Frank?
Frank Drackman| 10.31.12 @ 1:30PM
ask your wife!
WHOA!!
maybe your right, a merciful God wouldn't have produced a Putz like you..
Frank
Ryan| 10.31.12 @ 1:15PM
Actually, I would say all the other mythologies and gods are shadows of God and Christ. If God is the ultimate Creator of all existence, then everything else is a pale reflection.
Wirklichkeit| 10.31.12 @ 10:56AM
Code of Canon Law, Can. 222
§1. The Christian faithful are obliged to assist with the needs of the Church so that the Church has what is necessary for divine worship, for the works of the apostolate and of charity, and for the decent support of ministers.
§2. They are also obliged to promote social justice and, mindful of the precept of the Lord, to assist the poor from their own resources.
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This instructs the faithful to give to the poor from our own resources as a free act of charity. Please note that it does not instruct the faithful to establish a welfare state funded by the forced confiscation of wealth from the citizenry.
There's this viewpoint that the only way to implement Catholic charity is through the state. Anyone who dares to disagree with this notion is accused of failing to obey the teachings of our Lord.
Wirklichkeit
Who Knows?| 10.31.12 @ 11:47AM
Really, Wirklichkeit?
You write as German "Reality"?
Clever.
Frank Drackman| 10.31.12 @ 1:31PM
Beats his previous Monikle,
"Schwulputzundhauptschwanzsauger"
Frank "Lech mich" Drackman
Frank Drackman| 10.31.12 @ 11:28AM
OK, I know I'm dating myself(and if I was a chick, I'd never date myself) but has anyone else noted that..................
Bill Clinton is starting to look(and sound) like (the late) comedian Jerry Clower??
and I remember that night at Dollywood, 1994, he absolutely killed, with that story about the little colored boy who thought he could paint himself white...
Frank
Who Knows?| 10.31.12 @ 11:48AM
Who the hell is Jerry Clower?
Ryan| 10.31.12 @ 1:17PM
One of the funniest comedians ever. Quite popular in the rural South in the 70s and 80s.
Occam's Tool| 10.31.12 @ 6:27PM
Funny and clean. Like PG Wodehouse in that way.
Frank Drackman| 10.31.12 @ 1:32PM
Your father.
Frank Drackman| 10.31.12 @ 1:54PM
Whoever said there wasn't such thing as a stew-pid question never met you...
lets see, your too young (or stupid) to remember Jerry Clower, but too old to figure out Wikipedia...
Which makes you, lets see, hommina hommina, divide by 2, carry the 3, cube root of pie,
An Idiot
Frank
Bob Grant| 10.31.12 @ 9:12PM
Jerry Clower's style is similar to Justin Wilson's. If you can stick with his long stories, you'll be rewarded with good punchlines.
Worth a listen.
Minuteman78| 10.31.12 @ 3:10PM
Clinton knew Obama back then? *LOL*
Clinton's about as funny as Tom Green.
Frank Drackman| 10.31.12 @ 4:58PM
I think Tom Green's sort of funny,
but then I thought that Buddy Dwyer video was funny.
Frank
PolishKnight| 10.31.12 @ 3:16PM
There's this fundamental paradox that conservatives will need to address someday: If you are to be "Christian" both in the liberal/socialist meaning of the word (helping thy neighbor) and also implement a "pro-life" policy, it requires a welfare state. This welfare state is pregnant (pun intended) with the presumption of unwed motherhood. A Sandra Fluke sleeping around and not getting knocked up is a slut, but if she gets knocked up and decides to keep the baby, she has a little hostage. And the right and the Catholic church falls for it every time!
So as unwed motherhood explodes, family values go to hell. Why marry and work for a living when you can sprog a lifetime of welfare benefits? Why treat men with value when they are simply ATM machines and sperm banks? And government cronyism is the order of the day.
Either this is fixed economically and this means making unwed motherhood into a liability again and their children suffer for the "greater good" or EVERYONE'S children suffer to indulge unwed mothers. Or we get a state to tell us how many children we can have and control our lives, Soviet Style. If you don't make a choice, you'll probably get the worst of both!
markenoff| 10.31.12 @ 4:26PM
PolishKnight| 10.31.12 @ 3:16PM
1) You never prove that "If you are to be "Christian" both in the liberal/socialist meaning of the word (helping thy neighbor) and also implement a "pro-life" policy, it requires a welfare state."
2) The welfare state preceded the explosion in the number of wuwed women
Unwed motherhood is not an opportunity to expand the reach of the government. It, like many other instances where people make mistakes and need forgiveness or are in need of material goods an opportunity for the glory of the Lord to shine through in the form of forgiveness and the compassion of your fellow man. When the government takes from one and gives to another at the point of a gun the government is eliminating the opportunity for individuals to show compassion. When the government takes from one and gives to another at the point of a gun it is plunder, not charity.
DFC| 10.31.12 @ 6:53PM
The view that Christian social justice must (or even should) be achieved through a welfare state may be the prevalent view, but perhaps it is a misguided one. Jesus never insisted that the state must provide for the needs of the poor by redistributing wealth.
coltakashi| 10.31.12 @ 3:29PM
Obama and Biden are both telling us that THEY know religious doctrine better than the Catholic bishops and leaders of other churches. In a lawsuit heard by the Supreme Court, they argued that government should be the judge of whether someone is qualified to be a pastor of a Lutheran church, and should be entitled to countermand the decision of a church board to discharge a pastor. They are intent on violating the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, and refusing to give any force and effect to the Free Exercise of Religion clause.
Marc Jeric| 10.31.12 @ 3:58PM
Joe Biden is a bloviating gasbag, functional moron, and pro-union thug.
Occam's Tool| 10.31.12 @ 5:56PM
Marc: and those are his GOOD qualities.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.31.12 @ 9:29PM
I would challenge functional up to a point, and would add plagiarizing before bloviating.
Anthony| 10.31.12 @ 6:11PM
My final post of the night, this moron Biteme still thinks he's viable candidate for 2016.
It's time to put a stake through Obozo and Bitme once and for all. Afterall, Jason was finally killed off after 15 movies.
On November 6th,the nightmare ends!!!
bc3b| 10.31.12 @ 6:12PM
It's interesting that, for someone who claims to "support Catholic social doctrine," Joe and Jill Biden have averaged less than $400 annually in charitable contributions, according to the Bidens' tax returns.
DFC| 10.31.12 @ 6:42PM
You cannot be both a pro-abortion politician and a Catholic in good standing. You see, according to the Catholic Church, abortion is intrinsically evil. Biden says he accepts that for himself, but is not willing to impose it on others. The problem is, the Church rejects that rationalization. The Church requires all the faithful, especially politicians, to work to eliminate the scourge of abortion from the earth. So Mr. Biden cannot maintain this position and remain a Catholic in good standing with his Church. It is truly shameful and that he would cut a crass political add that plays upon his his supposed Cathloicity to try to garner votes fort he Party of Death. He brings scandal upon the Church because, as a public figure, he sews confusion among the faithful. No amount of statist redistribution in the name of social justice can remove this stain.
J.C.Eaton| 11.1.12 @ 2:09AM
Put another way:You cannot be an orthodox Christian and an orthodox liberal. A "RINO" for choice can't either. Best,
Murphman| 10.31.12 @ 7:49PM
Obamaopapism would be stopped in it's tracks if the Catholic Church had adhered to it's doctrines and forcefully spoke out against abortion and this leftist culture of death. Instead the church has been hijacked by progressives and is more concerned with "social justice". Obama would not have been elected without the massive Catholic vote and even in his reelection is supported by close to a majority of CINOS (Catholics in name only).
Ralph Novy| 11.1.12 @ 2:52AM
Well, I guess by your standards, Neumayr, Jesus is a pretty clownish historical figure.
But decent, rational folks have a different standard for clownishness. Congratulations! You've met the standard!
Marc Jeric| 11.1.12 @ 5:04PM
Joe Biden is a pathological example of a bloviating gasbag, functional moron, and intellectual midget. He "supervised" the implemenation of the Obama's totally wasted "stimulus" program?