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In Memoriam
McGovern’s Methodism and Prairie Progressivism
George McGovern’s anti-war earnestness echoed the progressive Methodism of his youth.
Hundreds packed the First United Methodist Church in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, on October 25 to honor Senator George McGovern, the 1972 Democratic presidential candidate who died earlier this week. He was one of the last great prairie progressives who were deeply shaped by Social Gospel liberal Protestantism. The son of a Wesleyan Methodist minister, McGovern himself studied for the ministry at a Methodist seminary. In his later decades he was active in the United Methodist Church, whose liberal policies replicated his own, and some of whose bishops openly backed his presidential bid against Richard Nixon.
Fueled by the 1908 Methodist Social Creed that was ecumenically endorsed by the old Federal Council of Churches, early 20th century liberal Methodism by the 1920s and 1930s was anti-war, suspicious of capitalism, and supremely confident about perfecting society through reforming legislation. Young McGovern must have eagerly breathed in that religious idealism.
“For him, the Social Gospel was not just a theory, but the core of his faith in seeking to make the world a better place,” recently explained one former United Methodist seminary president who was a McGovern friend. “Practically every speech and certainly every book he wrote cited biblical references that were at the core of his personal and political philosophy.” A denominational news service report shared many similar quotes from church leaders hailing McGovern. One retired bishop recalled having served as a McGovern campaign volunteer in 1972.
The late Bishop James Armstrong, later famous as president of the National Council of Churches in the 1980s when fending off media attacks on church support for radically leftist causes, was on the platform when his fellow Dakotan declared his presidential candidacy. Bishop James Mathews, who was son-in-law to the world-famous Methodist missionary to India E. Stanley Jones, also publicly backed him, as did Bishop Gerald Kennedy, who once appeared on the cover of Time magazine.
These Methodist clerics and many others saw in McGovern a kindred spirit who could purify American democracy through his Methodist earnestness. Bishop Armstrong, impressed by McGovern’s opposition to his own party on the Vietnam War, saluted McGovern as a “moderate” who embodied Judeo-Christian ideals. McGovern had long split on the war from another Midwestern Methodist, Hubert Humphrey, who represented a more centrist progressivism losing its hold on both Democrats and Methodists. Of course, McGovern would be remembered for shifting his party away from its traditional blue collar base in favor of more professional liberal elites. The party’s path also reflected Methodism’s leftward path in the late 20th century. Armstrong would also defend Senator McGovern’s eventual abortion rights stance, which aligned with the denomination’s.
McGovern’s zealous anti-war stance and his 1972 theme of “Come Home America” also aligned with United Methodist opposition to Vietnam, which had grown increasingly shrill during Nixon’s presidency. Nixon himself, though originally a Quaker, had attended a Methodist church during his earlier years in Washington, D.C. But he became the first president of the century who largely avoided official Methodist delegations because of their perceived hostility, a policy mostly repeated by later Republican presidents.
Although McGovern gained support from the New Left, his anti-war politics and pseudo-isolationism echoed the progressive Methodism of his youth. Post World War I official Methodism became pacifist and somewhat isolationist, remaining so right up until Pearl Harbor. The church’s 1944 General Conference only narrowly backed World War II. McGovern himself left his studies at a Methodist school to serve on a U.S. bomber in Europe. Like many liberal Methodists who served in that war, he later was mostly hostile to U.S. military action. As the U.S. prepared for the Iraq War in 2003, McGovern chose an event honoring his friend Bishop Mathews to searingly condemn President Bush for needlessly sacrificing American lives. Not a pacifist, during the Cambodian communist holocaust of the mid 1970s he vaguely suggested military intervention without fully admitting that U.S. withdrawal from Indochina had facilitated the horror.
For many years McGovern belonged to Foundry United Methodist Church in Washington, D.C., an increasingly liberal congregation where another Midwestern senator, Bob Dole, was also long a member. In his final days McGovern returned to Sioux Falls, where the local United Methodist minister visited him. “Growing up the son of a Wesleyan pastor, he was always around the church. He loved the music,” the minister recalled to the denominational news service. “In one of my recent visits with him we sang, ‘Leaning on the Everlasting Arms.’ He started and I just joined in.”
As recently as September McGovern appeared for the installation of the new local United Methodist bishop, who after his death declared to the church news service: “Sen. McGovern embodies the best of the Judea Christian prophetic tradition.” He was echoing the words of another bishop when endorsing McGovern’s presidential bid 40 years ago.
Nurtured by the Methodist faith of his youth, McGovern now hopefully is “leaning on the everlasting arms.” Like nearly everyone, he had his share of failed and lofty moments, but on a larger scale. He represented one of the last gusts of prairie progressivism blowing out of the Midwest nearly a century ago, deeply shaped by an idealistic Methodism whose force has long since receded.
About the Author
Mark Tooley is president of the Institute on Religion and Democracy in Washington, D.C. and author of Methodism and Politics in the Twentieth Century. You can follow him on Twitter @markdtooley.
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Jack in Wi| 10.29.12 @ 7:47AM
The McGovern family was Republican when George was growing up. The Midwest Republicans have long tradition of being against foreign entanglements. They were right. As for Methodists being against war, well that is the Christian tradition. After all we are supposed to be followers of the Prince of Peace. Blessed are the peace makers. Those who live by the sword will die by the sword. Nixon won in 1972 and in 1968 as well, because in 1968 he claimed to have a secret plan to end the Vietnam war. In 1972 he claimed that he had succeeded. Nixon negotiated with the Vietnamese all througn his presidency and opened up talks with China and Russia. Why haven't we begun meaningful talks with Iran? They have been asking for them since at least 2003.
JP| 10.29.12 @ 8:28AM
I think most Conservatives respected the late Senator despite his politics. His courage as a bomber pilot speaks for itself.
McGovern's pacifism is reflected in a quote from Douglas McArthur:
“The soldier, above all other people, prays for peace, for he must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war.”
The Priaire Methodism of the McGovern family is now virtually extinct. In some ways it mirrored the deep conservatism (with equally strong pacifistic roots) of Tolkien and CS Lewis (both suffered as soldiers of the Great War).
George McGovern
RIP
Anna K. of Emory U.| 10.29.12 @ 9:08AM
"McGovern's zealous anti-war stance and his 1972 theme of "Come Home America" also aligned with United Methodist opposition to Vietnam . . ."
Every U.S. soldier who died in Vietnam died for nothing.
God bless George McGovern and the United Methodist Church.
Anna K. of Emory U.| 10.29.12 @ 9:12AM
While attending a meeting of our university’s Senate Diversity Committee a few months ago, I was moved by this prayer. Afterwards, I asked the young African American woman--a divinity student with powerful leadership qualities--would she write it for me, and she kindly consented. I made copies for all of my students.
I am asking the American Spectator readership to join me in this prayer for President Obama. Surely, we can be nonpartisan when praying for God’s guidance in helping our president make wise decisions about our country’s future.
A PRAYER FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA
Lord, you are the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. I pray that you will guide President Obama and lead him in your way, and while you guide our beloved president, please soften the hearts of those who oppose his noble efforts. And, Lord, we ask you to warm the hearts and minds of those who disrespect him and his family.
May our country be drawn to you in love and compassion, and may your kingdom be established on earth as it is in heaven.
Thank you for your son Jesus and the price he paid for us on the cross. Remind us, Lord, to show kindness in our speech and action, and forgive our many transgressions of civility.
We ask this in thy holy name. Amen
Alej| 10.29.12 @ 9:48AM
You are sick, woman.
JmsA| 10.29.12 @ 12:33PM
He was also a friend of and apologist for communist tyrant Fidel Castro.
CJW| 10.29.12 @ 12:35PM
Anna
Instead of praying for obama, why didn't you pray for the four dead Americans?
Maybe you can tell us what Obama was doing during the seven hour attack that killed the four Americans?
Houdini| 10.29.12 @ 3:40PM
Dear Anna,
Those of my brothers that gave their lives in Vietnam did so that you could safely invest yourself with stupidity.
Alej| 10.29.12 @ 10:02AM
"Every US soldier who died in Viet Nam died for nothing."
When I read those words, a few mental images of dead comrades, and pieces of dead comrades, flashed through my mind, and I thought of how a Democrat congress cut off funding for the South Vietnamese military in 1975, three years after US troops beat the invader North Vietnamese army back up into North Vietnam. And of how I watched with horror asmillions of Southeast Asians subsequently died as a result.
God damn George McGovern, the yellow-bellied pacifist Methodist church, and especially you, Democrat bitch.
Practicing Christian| 10.29.12 @ 10:36AM
May I reiterate Jack in Wi's pertinent thought:
"As for Methodists being against war, well that is the Christian tradition."
Thank you, Jack in Wi, for having a little insight into Christianity.
Some of these posters are anything but Christian. They seem to me to be consumed by hate. I rarely read AmSpec anymore because of the kind of violent, obscene comments posted by individuals who are full to the brim with hatred.
TLP| 10.29.12 @ 10:51AM
Then GTF outta hear.
Who needs ya?
And take your Same Sex Partner with ya.
Occam's Tool| 10.29.12 @ 1:28PM
McGovern was an Johad supporting idiot, and a moron who passed many of the laws that drove him into bankruptcy when he tried to run a private business.
His positive service to this country ended in May of 1945. For his war service, I honor him. For his after war pusilliamity, I despise him. Piss on his grave. He's not fit to shine the shoes of General Jimmy Stewart.
Juba| 10.29.12 @ 2:35PM
Occam's Tool gives us a typical right-wing, frothing-at-the mouth comment:
"Piss on his grave."
Classy, Occam. Like TLP and some others on here, you've got real class. Rural redneck trailer park class.
Tom Kyba| 10.29.12 @ 11:49AM
Bye bye, see ya, sayonara, adios, adieu, tata, catch 'ya on the flip side, don't let the door hit you on the way out etc. etc.
P.S. You're not the first one to try that "above the fray" self-serving lie.
Don't go away mad, just go away.
On second thought, go away mad if you like. No one is interested.
SUBVET| 10.29.12 @ 11:11AM
Just when you think you've herd everything you get Ms. K.................
sick....sick....sick
Seek| 10.29.12 @ 11:37AM
I find you to be a rather repugnant human being. I had my strong disagreements with the late George McGovern, too. Yet he was a class act as a military pilot, a professor, a senator and a human being. I met him personally. His Senate colleague Bob Dole, who butted heads with him over Indochina more than once, thinks likewise of him.
You need to massage your hate glands a little less, Alej. You're no better than the hard Left that you profess to despise.
Occam's Tool| 10.29.12 @ 1:31PM
Dear Seek:
Alej has a good sense of smell. Polite scumbags are still scumbags. McGovern allied himself with The Weathermen.
You have made many prejudiced and hateful comments based on nothing but their skin color. I base my dislike on matters of their character. I don't respect McGovern. I like and respect Chip Cravaack, who I have met.
Seek| 10.30.12 @ 7:38PM
There is absolutely nothing "hateful" about observing that race is central to the way we form friendships, marriages, business relationships and nations. Denial of race realism is central to liberalism; sadly, it also is central to what passes to day for "conservativsm."
I happen to judge people on character as well, but there is no getting around the fact that blacks, as a whole, are deficient in character. Their propensity for violent crime is nothing short of staggering. There are individual exceptions, but they are all too uncommon.
What people like you call "prejudice," I call a conclusion. That was Richard Weaver's view as well. Or was he a "liberal?"
Alej| 10.29.12 @ 1:36PM
Benedict Arnold was a brave and gallant patriot. Until he was not.
I don't "profess" to despise the Left. I simply do. Tolerance is for people with no convictions. Like you.
Seek| 10.30.12 @ 7:41PM
A "yellow-bellied pacifist" and a "Democrat bitch." Yeah, that's about the level of your gentlemanly mien.
It is enough for me to oppose the Left; it is not necessary to make it a matter of personal hatred. Some people, unfortunately, lacking in class, always make it personal and ugly.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.29.12 @ 12:07PM
“Anna K. from Emory U”. is a professor of a political science class (I believe its Katharine Vigilante, but I am willing to review evidence to the contrary). Edward White and she are frauds who travel in tandem to this site frequently, along with her students, to incite hate, and agree with one another. They then point out how hate-filled this site is.
Comically, today Edward White cites “The Ugly American”, and tries to label TLP as such. Anyone who actually read the book would recall that the “Ugly American” was one of the heroes of the book, a man who traveled to the fictional land of Sarkhan, and through a combination of intellectual and observational ability, manual skills and lack of pretense, is able to briefly aid the Sarkhanese people. The villains (in addition to the Communists, whom the authors opposed) were the governmental and academic elite who knew better.
Maybe you and your students should spend more time reading and studying to discern the truth, and less time trying to provoke fights here. Given the quality of the instruction demonstrated so frequently over the last couple of years here, though, I don’t think Emory is capable of providing such an education.
Juba| 10.29.12 @ 2:47PM
Ugly American is a pejorative term used to refer to perceptions of loud, arrogant, demeaning, thoughtless and ethnocentric behavior of American citizens mainly abroad, but also at home. Although the term is usually associated with or applied to travelers and tourists, it also applies to US corporate businesses in the international arena.
TLP's hyper-vulgarity made Edward White recall the TITLE of a book--The Ugly American. The title.
I suspect, Albert, that you, too, are the Ugly American defined above.
How I enjoy reading Edward White's perceptive posts . . . and, he's obviously a gentleman ( a gentle man--something the right wing abhors)
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.29.12 @ 3:20PM
I guess that you're in the extra credit part of the assignment now, Juba?
I already know who you are and what you are doing, Juba. You can suspect to your heart's content, but you remain a toady sucking up to your professor with your name-calling.
I also gather that you haven't read the book, either, because you are unable to refute the accuracy of the information from my post.
Please continue to spew your hate-filled talking points, as you validate all that I written (and what every other regular here knows) about you, your teacher, and the poor quality of your education.
CJW| 10.29.12 @ 6:23PM
Juba, why don't you read the book Ugly American instead of relying on the so called meaning given to you.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.29.12 @ 7:20PM
Coincidentally, I googled "Ugly American", and the definition below appeared:
Ugly American is a pejorative term used to refer to perceptions of loud, arrogant, demeaning, thoughtless and ethnocentric behavior of American citizens mainly abroad, but also at home. Although the term is usually associated with or applied to travelers and tourists, it also applies to US corporate businesses in the international arena.
It would appear to Juba that academic research consists of going to Wikipedia, and he lifted the definition wholesale, removing only the cited footnotes.
Congratulations to Juba, as you have a great future ahead of you in Democratic politics. This is exactly what Joe Biden did to be accused and convicted of plagiarism while in law school.
C. Vernon Crisler | 10.29.12 @ 11:21AM
William Jennings Bryan moved the Democrat party to the left on social issues. McGovern moved the Democrat party to the left on defense issues. At least they were honest about it, unlike modern Democrats who try to hide their leftism and antimilitary views.
TLP| 10.29.12 @ 8:43AM
Again with all of the Peace and Love and Pacifism, from the guy who thinks that Iran, Al Qaida, The Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas and Hezbollah are nothing, compared to those No Good Dirty Jews.
My recollection of The Methodists (and I was Baptized Methodist in 1957) was that they were on the Leftist Front Lines all over Central and South America, administering to the COMMUNISTS, throughout the 70's and the 80's. Them, and the other Homos - The Jesuits. They were the Founding Fathers of Revolutionary Liberation Theology.
Now they're just a buncha Queers pushing Gay Marriage, Gays and Lesbians at the Pulpit. (One standing there, giving the service, and another one Under the Pulpit servicing the Service Giver)
The Methodists are a Sick Joke who preach a Pseudo Far Left Brand of Gay Theology that would have made Caligula a Convert.
And, as I can't imagine anybody else coming to this Story? I am considering Planting My Flag here as I set out to Chronicle "Hurricane Sandy - Is she a Bitch? Or, is she simply Misunderstood by a White Paternal Governmental Hierarchy that he been Entrenched in the Daily Routine of our Lives for far too long?"
It's 8:30 am. I'm in the T.V. Room, at a Non-disclosed Location. I find myself gazing at everything around me as the wind HOWLS. The Silver Age Comics that I have on the Walls. The Photos of my Family, all of my Giants Stuff, and the Chick in the Bikini on the Old Time Thermometer.
I've named her - Joellen.
No reason.
Edward White| 10.29.12 @ 9:26AM
TLP, you are a representative of the new face of the Republican Party: uneducated, vulgar, and angry.
When I read your repulsive posts, I cringe at the coarseness of the language, the debased ideas.
You and your kind are the reason traditional, moderate Republicans are leaving the party in droves.
When reading your rants, I recall the title of a book The Ugly American, a 1958 novel by William Lederer and Eugene Burdick about arrogant Americans abroad.
*You* are the Ugly American at home, the ugly American who is destroying the Republican Party.
TLP--The Ugly American.
delahaya| 10.29.12 @ 9:29AM
Ed,
If you think the modern GOP party is vulgar, then you are obviously out of luck as the Democrats are worse. Just look at Obama's desperate ads if you need proof, or activists dressed as "lady parts", or gay activists throwing condoms on church goers, or Samuel Jackson using the F word in a political ad. Please save us your outrage.
Occam's Tool| 10.29.12 @ 6:49PM
Here's some more classy leftist stuff, from Michael Moore: (HT weaselzippers)
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/1.....qus_thread
This is why TAS encourages Great Americans like TLP.
Dobbs| 10.29.12 @ 7:26PM
2 words: Democrat Underground
TLP| 10.29.12 @ 9:50AM
Thank You, Edward, for your kind words.
I might add that your timing is impeccable, as, after perusing the Boatload of Crap written by Ms. Tightass from Emory University? I was thinking how much this broad needs to get Laid.
Ya know what I mean?
We live in a Violent World, and last I looked, the Lions are still very much Eating the Lambs.
You Honour me, Sir.
I began this Comment thinking that you were just a Stupid Old Fool, with Sh*t for Brains, and his Head Up His Ass.
Thank you for Confirming all of my Assumptions.
Tell me, Douchebag......Am I the Cause of your Beloved Moderate Republican - Colin Powell - running around town with The Muslim's D*ick in his mouth?
AM I?!
I am The Face of The New Republican.
I'm sick and tired of these MFers, and I'm not gonna take it, anymore.
So GFYourself, and take "Anna do ya Wanna" with you.
Your time has come and gone. This is MY TIME.
So, why don't you just Get Outta The Way, like a good boy.
Seek| 10.29.12 @ 11:43AM
How about seeing a psychiatrist? I can't guarantee he'll give you humanity, but he might give you some insight into your full-to-the-brim hatred of anything and anybody who represents the Domestic Enemy.
Yes, your time has come. And just as surely, it will pass.
TLP| 10.29.12 @ 5:16PM
Why wouldn't I HATE The Domestic Enemy?
Everyone should hate The Domestic Enemy.
Obviously, you've never Served. Never put on the Colours. Never took an OATH to Protect and Defend the Constitution of the United States of America from ALL ENEMIES both Foreign and Domestic.
If the Secret Service obeyed their Oath, instead of just doing their Job!
We wouldn't be talking about a Man in the Oval Office that HATES THIS COUNTRY.
Praetorians.
Obey your Oath!
Occam's Tool| 10.29.12 @ 1:34PM
Tim: "Have you always had balls the size of cueballs?" (Paraphrasing Joe Biden's comments to Chris Woods at his son's funeral about Chris' son's character)
Yeah, we're the vulgarians. Yeah.
TLP| 10.29.12 @ 5:09PM
Actually?
I've always been more of a BULLSHITTER.
At least that's what I tell the kids on my 7 year old's School Bus.
Alej| 10.29.12 @ 9:54AM
Dear me... Eddie's panties are in a wad again.
N.B.| 10.29.12 @ 10:20AM
We encourage readers to share and discuss their thoughtful and relevant comments about this Spectator article. Comments are routinely monitored and will be deleted if profane, bigoted, or grossly impolite. Please be respectful.
TLP, be forewarned: you are violating our comment policy.
TLP| 10.29.12 @ 10:55AM
I'm assuming that N.B. stands stands for - Sh*t fer Brains.
Practicing Christian| 10.29.12 @ 11:34AM
Why is the moderator not blocking TLP's comments? Nearly all of his posts are laced with profanities and obscenities.
The man is incapable of expressing a thought without resorting to rude language.
Obviously, he is deficient in educated vocabulary. That's why he uses the street language of gangsta thugs.
Moderator, since TLP does not adhere to your policies, block him.
Thank you for considering my request.
Seek| 10.29.12 @ 11:44AM
"Nearly" all of his posts? I can't think of a single one that isn't a veiled, or unveiled, threat of bodily harm.
Tom Kyba| 10.29.12 @ 11:54AM
And what then censors? Who's next on your hit list? People with a strong need to censor others always lower the bar because now they feel the power. So who's next?
Occam's Tool| 10.29.12 @ 1:39PM
Nahhh, I'm nastier than anything Tim does or says. I like him. I think his writing shows a Rabelasian/Swiftian embrace of the political cesspool we live in, and is a precisely measured response to this. Further, I see no direct threats to anyone. Calling someone a sorry, sad sack of monkey poo is not a threat.
Glad to be at your service, T (D'Artagnan) LP.
By the way, I AM a practicing psychiatrist, UCLA trained. 92% score on my reboarding exam, in addition.
JmsA| 10.29.12 @ 12:26PM
Good news, Seek, it is no longer 69%, but actually 76%. I'll keep you posted, for I suspect it will go higher soon.
JmsA| 10.29.12 @ 12:27PM
I'll take TLP any day over arrogant, lying sacks of shit like you, Seek.
Seek| 10.30.12 @ 7:43PM
I tell no lies: You've got no class.
Houdini| 10.29.12 @ 4:28PM
P.C, The reason TLP isn't blocked is so the rest of us don't have to take so much time out of our day to express how we really feel. If you see a profanity in his writing it is because you can read between the letters and form the words in your own twisted minds.
TLP| 10.29.12 @ 5:31PM
Because, they're True.
CENSOR! CENSOR! CENSOR!
Hate Crimes! Thought Crimes! Crimes against THE STATE!
SIEG HEIL!
Anyone who doubts that were are not thisclose to ARBEIT MACHT FREI over the Front Gate of The Camp?
You're obviously not Paying Attention to those like "Practicing Christian" and his ilk, who only wanna Pave Our Roads with Good Intentions, regardless of how many Undesirables are Exterminated, along the way.
Isn't that right, Sissyboy?
Quartermaster| 10.29.12 @ 7:05PM
TLP, you and I pretty much agree politically, but baiting the moderator after they warn you is not a wise move. The site belongs to AmSpec, not to you and it behooves you to respect their standards.
I will also say that many of the Libtards that troll the site should also be banned.
TLP| 10.29.12 @ 9:16PM
You may be correct.
Who knew?
N.B.
What the Hell is an N.B. anyway?
TLP| 10.29.12 @ 9:21PM
Oh well.
Occam's Tool| 10.29.12 @ 6:13PM
Background, Juba:
This Chicago Jewish kid loves the rural redneck trailer park class bit. I live on 2 and 1/2 acres, in a 5 bedroom, 3 bathroom, 3300 sq. foot house in a rural area. So, you got the rural part right.
There are many people who live in trailer parks (my late grandmother in law, for example, who was a Saint) that George McGovern was not fit to change the bedpans of. So rural trailer park people is not a curse word for me, since I know these people.
In addition, as a member of the 1%, I also have family members who 1) move in the Clintons' social circle ( one of my 1st cousins' son) and 2) live in Scottie Pippen's former mansion (another 1st cousin). An old GF of mine had a daddy who was VEEP of the NJ Nets, and was a writer for Forbes. In short, I say piss on G. McGovern's grave, and I do so as a member of the 1%. (approx $350 K last year)
George McGovern was a moral hypocrite: he sent his daughter to non-Black schools, paying for them with his own money, while supporting busing.
His daughter developed drug problems, and, while intoxicated with alcohol, fell into a snowbank and died. Fabulous dad he was.
George McGovern allied himself with the Weathermen. Piss on his grave. ( I do have an apology to make, however---I apologize for misspelling "jihadist.")
I hope I mentioned that urinating on his grave would be a good thing. The service he gave as a bomber pilot was more than countered by the worthless service he gave in the House and Senate.
Occam's Tool| 10.29.12 @ 6:15PM
The answer to problematic speech, PC, is more speech, not censorship.
You wouldn't know that, since the people you like have a fixation on crushing testicles.
FredInColumbiaSC| 10.29.12 @ 7:23PM
How you do run off at the mouth, run off at the mouth, run off at the mouth, run off at the mouth, run off at the mouth . . . etc.
SUBVET| 10.29.12 @ 11:30AM
Ed...........what Republican Party ?
Sir and I use that term with much regret you have no clue. You are the problem......not TLP. Your the reason why this country is heading in the direction of "change".
No backbone all PC with a yellow streak down your back. I have seen your kind cowering behind their shipmates because it's "not fair" that I have to take a stand and defend the Constitution.
I will stand with guys like Tim, Mike and the rest here who will make and keep this country a safe place from harms way. For you .....Ed Mr. pc your lucky to have heros that will take a stand.
You and your girlfriend anna make me sick.........
Samsara| 10.29.12 @ 11:47AM
I'm with the reserved and dignified Ed White. He always has something intelligent to say.
If a liberal Democrat should stumble on this page, the comments would verify every negative word the Democrats say about Republicans and the Tea Party being unhinged, right-wing fanatics.
There's way too much violent rancor here. In fact, some of the posters scare me.
I hope the FBI is monitoring this page. It seems to me there are some loose screws--(think TLP and others)-- here who are capable of the most extreme actions.
Tom Kyba| 10.29.12 @ 11:55AM
Da comrade.
JmsA| 10.29.12 @ 12:18PM
Feel free to report me, sweetheart. I'm not afraid of you and your ilk; I've dealt with many much tougher than scumbag and leftist democrats like you.
Rude Dawg| 10.29.12 @ 5:14PM
My, my, my. I am one rude dude, but I can't match you all's rudeness.
Did yo mama not teach you any manners? Did you grow up in a white trash environment? White trash. That's how you sound. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
Right-wing white trash. This about sums you up.
"Onward and upward with Obama" This is the song I'm singin', and I'm singin' it real sweet and real loud. Wish y'all and all yo trailer trash cousins could hear me--the cousins you're thinkin' 'bout marryin'.
La Shaundra| 10.29.12 @ 5:16PM
You go, Dawg!
Have mercy!
JmsA| 10.29.12 @ 5:38PM
Just call it as I see it.
Occam's Tool| 10.29.12 @ 7:09PM
Then I guess you will hurt real real bad come November 7th, Dawg. Gonna feel like a nuke exploded your gonads, my friend. Obama's going down!!!!!!!!!
Watch the 13th round of the Marciano-Wolcott fight to get an idea of election night. Pow!!!!!!!!!
Occam's Tool| 10.29.12 @ 7:14PM
By the way, Rude Dawg, my wife is a shiksa. My kids are adopted. I have no clue as to your comments about inbreeding, 99%.
But a lot of Obama voters have nice, close set eyes. Real nice, real close set. Keeps me running to my Recognizable Patterns of Human Malformation Text all day long.
You see, I can do high brow and low brow. I can do it in the same sentence, if I want.
Watch the Marciano-Wolcott fight, 13th round. Mitt is another Brockton Blockbuster, the underdog going in. Wolcott is a shuffler and mover, winning the fight until the 13th round, when Marciano "equalizes." 1 punch=1 debate.
Occam's Tool| 10.29.12 @ 7:17PM
Here's a link to the fight: http://sports.espn.go.com/spor.....id=2481103
FredInColumbiaSC| 10.29.12 @ 7:26PM
Is this the Gillette Calvacade of Sports? I'd like to hear that jingle again.
But I'm afraid to click on your link; afraid of being electricuted when I do.
Occam's Tool| 10.29.12 @ 11:08PM
It's ESPN on the Marciano-Wolcott fight. Don't be a puss.
Quartermaster| 10.29.12 @ 7:09PM
From observation, I would say that being judged right wing trash by loony left wing trash is an honor beyond words. The difference is that what we have said about you libtards is true. What you left wing trash have said about the TEA Party is a lie from start to finish. You are liars as your father is the father of lies. It's all you have left.
CJW| 10.29.12 @ 12:31PM
Eddy
Maybe you can tell us what Obama was doing during the seven hour attack that killed four Americans?
Dobbs| 10.29.12 @ 7:17PM
Actually, Republicans are more educated than Democrats, more successful, earn more, better employees, less substance abuse ... and give more to charity.
Alej| 10.29.12 @ 9:52AM
I went to a Methodist church with a friend not long after returning from Viet Nam. The minister's sermon emphasized, and then came out and said, that the only true Christians in America were conscientious objectors.
Caused a small stir as I excused my self from that craphole at that time.
Occam's Tool| 10.29.12 @ 7:18PM
Quite frankly, this Jew prefers Evangelicals to "Mainstream Denominations," as the Evangelicals are far more patriotic, and judeophilic than mainstream Protestants, like, say FDR, who supported Jewish quotas at Harvard.
delahaya| 10.29.12 @ 9:27AM
The social justice gospel is nothing more than communism with a clergy collar. The United Methodists have spent millions "ministering" to murderous communists all through Latin America. That said, I do believe that McGovern was sincere and honest, just very misguided.
TLP| 10.29.12 @ 9:54AM
Absolutely.
I didn't leave them.
They left me, a long time ago.
Who Knows?| 10.29.12 @ 11:46AM
“Method”?
A turd, by any other name, would ….
Meth----odd.
Hey---my nonreligious parents even stuck my siblings and me into the local Methodist church, when I was young and needed “training”. As soon as I could ponder reality for myself, around the age of 14 or so, I was out of there in spirit, even though I continued to maintain enough “contact”---go to church on Sunday---so I could play on the basketball and softball teams.
There IS method in their madness! All exoteric trappings of religion, right up to the most organized “winners”, such as mainstream churches like the Methodists, have nothing to do with True God Realization. Just substitute the word “separatists” for the name of any religion.
Born free, seemingly with an open field and mind before us, as the future, as centers for incoming ideas and physical sensations, we each process the bombardment from older people---their ideas and beliefs. What’s the bottom line?
They are different than us. We coalesce into a coherent more and more well-defined “person”, if we are conventionally sane, and settle out as our basically rigid self image, our ego.
Hence, the myriad “groups”, whether in the religious realm, political one, or even sports---gotta support the local sheriff!
Who Knows?| 10.29.12 @ 11:46AM
Sometimes it’s “fun” to ignore the truth you already know. For example, those people who become fans of team X really know it’s not absolutely serious, and that if they lived in New Jersey they’d root for, what, Rutgers, and if New York, what, the Yankees. But, when it comes down to THE GAME---if the win or lose, the feelings are still THERE!
I must be getting old. Supposedly, as one approached death, they become more like a child. Hear here!
It’s true!
As a lifelong sport fan, for moi it’s back to being on University Street, at the age of 10, say, as we choose up sides for a football game. One bunch against another bunch.
That’s ALL that’s ever going on, even and especially at the highest level! It’s always a matter of---choice.
Some people choose to gather other people together---into a Methodist church, or as a team of Yankees. And, so do other groups, in order to---PLAY.
That’s it. It’s the GAME, stupid. Instead of congratulating the players, as EGOS, as subjective separate selves, it’s the GAME that should be saluted.
That’s the True Method of the Enlightened One.
When one doesn’t Truly know what anything is, why---all that’s left is a Godly Laugh.
Sex—blow your mind.
Laughter---blow your mind.
God Realization---blow your self image.
Who Knows?| 10.29.12 @ 11:50AM
Oops---
sex is blow your body, not your mind.
Samsara| 10.29.12 @ 11:54AM
Jesus! Am I reading the Loony Toon Gazzette? "Who Knows" apparently needs some anti-psychotic drugs . . . and fast.
Dementia, anyone? Scrambled brains abound today. Must have something to do with Sandy's potential destruction of the North Eastern Seaboard.
Juba| 10.29.12 @ 11:57AM
I think TLP is masquerading as "Who Knows?"
Same voice.
Juba| 10.29.12 @ 11:58AM
Same stupid voice.
JmsA| 10.29.12 @ 4:20PM
TLP doesn't need to masquerade. On the other hand, I'd seriously consider doing it for the sake of your stupidity if I were you.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.29.12 @ 12:17PM
Keep posting. I'm sure "Anna K." will dole out an "A" for your heroic stand.
La Shaundra| 10.29.12 @ 5:39PM
I'd give Rude Dawg A+.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.29.12 @ 6:41PM
I imagine that you would, given how you are traveling in tandem (like Anna K. and Edward White, or Juba and Samsara). With your and Rude Dawg's pretextual identities and comments, you've managed to reveal your own elite racism and classism, full of stereotypical versions of whites and blacks, and what they are supposed to think.
Charles Manson tried to incite race war, because he believed that after the blacks were successful in killing Whitey (though he might have substituted Red Neck Trailer Trash and/or the 1%, if he had your playbook), they would be unable to govern, and he and his Family would come down from the hills to rule over all of it. Even without your political science education from Emory U., he shares much in common with you.
Good luck with the rest of the semester.
FredInColumbiaSC| 10.29.12 @ 7:38PM
From the Methodist Church to Charles Manson.
Mr Tulley,
Please allow me to commend you on your fine tribute to the late, great George McGovern.
I would also like to take it upon myself to apologize for the numerous crazed posters--the one above, for example--who have trashed your thoughts by commenting with the most coarsened and demented language imaginable.
You would think from reading their psychotic drivel that the readership of AmSpec has really scraped the bottom of the right-wing barrel.
A line from Anna K.'s student's beautiful prayer lingers:
"Thank you for your son Jesus and the price he paid for us on the cross. Remind us, Lord, to show kindness in our speech and action, and forgive our many transgressions of civility."
Civility. How we need it on this thread.
Yours,
A life-long Methodist
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.29.12 @ 8:13PM
I am certain that Mr. Tooley would be pleased to know that you liked his article so much, that it caused you to mistake him for Mr. Tulley.
I also imagine that he would take the sincerity of your comment in the spirit in which it is offered.
The problem with being a phony and a fraud is that it is quite difficult to lie all the time. The overwhelming volume of hate at this site was brought here by you and your student fellow travelers, and will leave when you depart, until the next time Professor Vigilante (or "Anna K.") needs to give students something to do that distracts them from the poor quality of instruction that she is giving her charges.
JimP| 10.29.12 @ 1:34PM
Christians who espouse socialist/utopian beliefs reject one of the most fundamental teachings of the Judeo-Christian God. That is that mankind is fallen. That is to say that all men are evil. They are imperfect. They/we are incapable of not doing wrong. Christ came to redeem us from this fallen state. Belief in Jesus does not stop us from being or doing evil, it redeems us from our evil deeds. Anyone who professes to believe in Christ but wants to use any system of government to enforce charity, the “social gospel” or any other utopian scheme is turning these matters over to evil/fallen human beings who are incapable of not doing evil once they have such power. The idea that mankind can be perfected, via laws, behavior modification, or whatever is a bedrock idea of all socialist/utopian thinking and it contradicts the fundamental Christian beliefs stated above.
JimP| 10.29.12 @ 1:36PM
Nowhere in the New Testament or the other books of the Bible do Jesus Christ, His apostles, God the Father, the Holy Spirit, Moses or the Hebrew prophets command the government to take money from its citizens and transfer it to poor people. In fact, the Bible says just the opposite. There are three general ways in the Bible to take care of the poor and needy: 1) through the family; 2) through the church; and 3) through individual charity. The applicable passages for these three ways are Deuteronomy 14:28, 29, Numbers 18:24, Matthew 6:1-4 and 1 Timothy 5:3-16.
JimP| 10.29.12 @ 1:38PM
The 10th Commandment in Exodus 20:17 actually protects private property by commanding people not to covet their neighbor’s house or belongings. That commands applies to the average citizen, as well as the elected official, the judge and all other government officials and of course the poor. The Bible condemns laziness and praises hard work. Proverbs 10:4 says, “Lazy hands make a man poor, but diligent hands bring wealth.” Proverbs 14:23 says, “All hard work brings a profit, but mere talk leads only to poverty.” In Mark 7:20-23, , Jesus Christ condemns both the greed of the rich man as well as the greed of the poor man, and the envy of the poor man as well as the envy of the rich man. Thus, God condemns the politics of envy of the left, and he extols the virtues of hard work and capitalism, not just the value of charity!
Jesus elsewhere acknowledges the legitimate use of force, telling the apostles, "let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one" (Luke 22:36). As Christians we must promote peace whenever possible and be slow to resort to the use of arms. But we must not be afraid to do so when it is called for. Evil must not be allowed to remain unchecked.
JimP| 10.29.12 @ 2:07PM
All of Scripture -- is inspired by God (2 Tim. 3:16). This means that the Old Testament is just as inspired as the New Testament and thus an expression of the will of Christ. The Old Testament acknowledges frankly that there is "a time to kill" (Eccles. 3:3).
Samsara| 10.29.12 @ 3:03PM
Take a look, folks, at JimP's comment above. I am not surprised that he uses "God's word" to condone killing. Killing whom? I imagine you can guess who he means.
Right Wingers! They're a dangerous breed.
And right wingers are always on a moral high horse, claiming how Christian they are. From what I've seen and read from the Right, they are anything but Christian. The hate they spew is frightening.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.29.12 @ 3:29PM
Samsara, didn’t I see you last month, slightly further north, in Charlotte, NC? Weren’t you one of those voting ”NO” so boisterously during the floor vote when they were trying to reinsert “God” into the Democratic platform during the convention? Aren’t you upset that Mayor Villaraigosa denied your vote and granted the motion anyway? Don’t you just hate it when the democratic process is ignored?
Quartermaster| 10.29.12 @ 7:19PM
It would appear you need a solid course in remedial reading. He said nothing of the sort, although that's what you would have liked for him to say.
It might interest you to know that God commanded Israel to utterly destroy, man, woman, child and livestock, several nations. God Commanded. He also gave the law, which is a reflection of His holy character in which he commanded all adulterers (that would include queers) be executed. We don't execute them now because we are in a different age, but God will deal with those people in a far worse manner than mere execution, as he hates the unrepentant.
The left likes to think God is a God of love to the exclusion of His holy nature which will not brook the unrepentant. The real h8erz are those who will not warn of teh judgment of God. The Religious Left are full of hate.
Fortunately, the Evangelicals are winning the battle for the United Methodist Church. They took the great commission seriously and the left got rolled in the last GC because of that. It's going to go worse for them in the next.
The left are the people full of malice and hate for all that is good. They are of their father the devil who spawned the very contents of their hearts.
JimP| 10.29.12 @ 3:45PM
There is such a thing as a just war as established by Saints Augustine and Aquinas. First, war must occur for a good and just purpose rather than for self-gain (for example, "in the nation's interest" is not just) or as an exercise of power. Second, just war must be waged by a properly instituted authority such as the state. Third, peace must be a central motive even in the midst of violence.
But of course, you would disagree. Your 'understanding' of these matters is as twisted as the ideas of socialism, in all its forms. Also, it appears that your 'understanding' of Christianity is a self serving understanding that justifies your political beliefs.
JimP| 10.29.12 @ 3:47PM
This comment is meant to address Samsara's comment regarding my previous post.
FredInColumbiaSC| 10.29.12 @ 5:45PM
JimP, I see that you're our resident militant fundamentalist for today.
Rave on, fundy, rave on.
If only you knew how irrelevant you are, but rave on, fundy, rave on. Obviously, you've got nothing better to do.
JimP| 10.29.12 @ 6:24PM
Hi, Fred. Thanks for the oh so rational response to my comment expressing what have been normal Christian beliefs for the 1,ooo or so years before about 1900 when socialism began to infect nearly all the Christian denominations. Militant? Fundamentalist? Raving? Only to a committed, and paranoid, socialist/leftist who finds God and Christianity a threat to themselves- why only a psychiatrist could find out-, and we all know that leftists reject traditional Christianity. It seems I've pressed all your buttons, but there is nothing militant in what I said, nor is it considered fundamentalist in the modern usage of the term: and as for raving, all I've done is state traditional Christian doctrine. It is far, far, far more accurate to describe your comment as raving. Your reaction is to "rave" about how irrelevant I am and call names as if that were somehow effective at stopping the spread of "The Gospel", or a persuasive argument that contradicts what I've said? Nothing better to do? I disagree, but neither have you apparently.
CJW| 10.29.12 @ 6:28PM
Freddy/Samsara
In answer to your question, killing our enemies.
You two are silly. Then fundamentalists you should be worried about are the fundamentalist muslims who have been terrorrizing the world and killing innocents. You inability and blindness to focus on who are the terrorrists clearly shows you immaturity and stupidity. Get lost.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.29.12 @ 6:54PM
CJW;
When I view Anna K. and the cast of characters with whom she descends upon the site, I am reminded of a combination of Episode 73 (Quickie Nirvana) and 86 (The Prisoner of Rosemont Hall), in which the lost hippy now is hiding in the ivory tower of academia, with no one to challenge her deluded view of the world (that the latter episode contained dangerous agents from a Middle Eastern kingdom makes it even more relevant nearly 35 years later.
CJW| 10.29.12 @ 7:17PM
Yes. These lefties are terrified about the three members of some skinhead group, two of whom are probably FBI agents. Like all the movies and tv references about skinheads. But they are blind to Fort Hood killing of 14 Americans,and all the terrorrist acts since Bobby Kennedy was killed in 1968 by a Palestinian upset by Bobby's support of Israel.
Hope you are safe in Delaward from the storm. We have lots of rain here in Pgh.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.29.12 @ 7:23PM
My kids said they saw a picture on line that the water is up to the doors of the Wawa in Avalon, NJ, but thus far we are windy and wet up at this part of the state.
Dobbs| 10.29.12 @ 7:15PM
Lord,
Please do NOT bless the efforts of the president or any person who would knowingly condemn infants born alive to a horrible death, or who uses taxpayer funds to support those who deny your plan for marriage and family. Please provide mature believers to influence him to change his ways.
Please do NOT bless the efforts of any person who repeatedly lies, refers to opponents as "enemies," and falsely accuses those persons of doing what he himself is doing.
Lord, please do NOT bless any leader who purposely turns his back on your chosen children.
Lord, I do pray that thou would heal the sufferings of the president's heart, the lifelong feeling of parental abandonment, and provide mature brothers in Christ who can model Christ to him -- as well as healthy virtues.
Please lead him to humble himself, repent, and seek your forgiveness. Use someone in his life to demonstrate the fruits of the Spirit.
Lastly, please show him your ways and lead him to a deep and lasting faith visible to his wife and children so that all may come to know your love.
Amen
Occam's Tool| 10.29.12 @ 7:21PM
Obama would kill babies who survived abortions. That's the guy Anna K likes. Nuff said.
Like the world's Greatest Jewish Marvel Superhero, the Thing, would say---"Come a week from Tuesday, it's Clobbering Time!"
FredInColumbiaSC| 10.29.12 @ 7:45PM
I came to this site today just to see how crazy you would be with just a few days left before election.
Man, did I ever wade deep into ultra-right doodoo. Next time I'll wear my hip boots before logging on to this shitty site.
You people are NUTS!
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.29.12 @ 8:02PM
"'Remind us, Lord, to show kindness in our speech and action, and forgive our many transgressions of civility.'
Civility. How we need it on this thread."
I guess you can't make up your mind. At 7:38 p.m. you post the above call for civility, and at 7:45 pm you call everybody "nuts".
There was a time when the trend in popular mental health would label this symptomatic of a split personality. Today, wide swings in moods over short time periods will often invite a bi-polar diagnosis.
I recommend therapeutic intervention. Occam's Tool is a practicing psychiatrist, with significant experience in the pathologies you are demonstrating (though you might need to migrate north and west if you wish to avail yourself of his services).
Vagina Monologue| 10.29.12 @ 9:01PM
Ever take a bathroom break, Albert. Or are you wearing Depends?
Or you may be sitting on the toilet with your laptop in your lap.
Yeah, on the toilet; that sounds more like it.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.29.12 @ 9:17PM
I only come here on my breaks, and today has been quite productive. As you seem to be content to answer your own questions, I guess you'll leave out the ones about the wheelchair and colostomy bag today.
5%of$150| 10.29.12 @ 9:10PM
Be sure to wear a helmit, Occam's Fool.
Irina from Emory U.| 10.29.12 @ 7:55PM
I was not going to comment--I am under an avalanche of assignments--but I wanted to let you know that I am "Anna K's" student.
I am a foreign exchange student from the Netherlands, and I am monitoring right-wing hate sites for her and reporting on the extremism expressed by AmSpecs readers.
I am so disturbed after having read your posts that I feel a need to take a shower. I feel absolutely filthy, polluted with your dirt.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.29.12 @ 8:05PM
I am sure that you can't wait to get back to the Netherlands, where there is no extremism (unless you make a film critical of Islam, in which case you will be assassinated. I hope none of that sprays on you, causing the need for further ablutions).
JimP| 10.29.12 @ 8:24PM
Why do I find this post not credible. It reminds me of the email from Nigeria informing me that I have boocoo dollars waiting for me if I will just do... yada, yada, yada. Irina is a Russian name, not Dutch, but that is only circumstantial.
Well, assuming Irina is legit, we "right wing extremists" are under an avalanche of leftist hate mongers posting hate filled comments on this site. We don't need to go to leftwing sites to monitor the left wing hate, they come to us with their extremism. It's disturbing reading their posts because they all are indicative of people boiling with hatred of people who disagree with them politically, but who agree with the Founding Fathers of the U.S.A. How distrubing is that? We agree with the founders of the greatest, free-est, most generous nation ever, that has also freed more people than any nation, but we are seen as hateful evil doers by kooks who are disturbed by our comments. It's a mad, mad, mad, mad, mad world we live in.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.29.12 @ 8:30PM
It is sad, because not only are they poor frauds, but, as you point out, they equate everybody who disagrees with anything they believe as a "hater".
I recall one professor with whom I had classes telling us that the purpose of receiving an undergraduate education was to teach us to think critically. All of those students that have posted here today merit a failing grade if this is an example of their abilities in that regard.
CJW| 10.29.12 @ 8:27PM
Thank the USA where you can take a shower.
TLP| 10.29.12 @ 9:37PM
We have Shaving Cream and Razors, as well.
Yeah, we notice Smelly European Chicks that don't shave their Legs and Pits.
Johnnie Revels| 10.29.12 @ 8:50PM
Good God!
Can't you two obsessives--JimP & Albert Costipated Jr.-- ever shut your mouths?
Who gives a shit what Irina says. This whole thread is insane. And you two fanatics can't let it go.
LET IT GO, DAMNIT, LET IT GO.
Can't you find anything better to do with your time?
I logged on here about 15 minutes ago, and I read the comments, and I am inclined to agree with Irina. You are crazy as hell--all of you, including the Leftists who've logged on-- bats in the belfry--every goddamned one of you.
Just shut the hell up!
I'm going out for a walk. Windy and rainy here in Brooklyn.
CJW| 10.29.12 @ 10:27PM
Johnnie, keep walking.
JimP| 10.29.12 @ 10:37PM
Isn't this an attempt at suppression of speech? What is the quota for comments anyway? I thought comment threads were cyber conversations. I didn't realize that if you go over your comment quota that you are an obsessive compulsive. Of course, giving counter arguments to hateful leftwingers means we are crazy and compulsive. Yeah, I think that was covered in my Psych 101 class or something. BTW, can someone tell me what I am supposed to let go? I don't quite know what Johnnie (with 2 n's) means by "it" in this case. Again with the "can't find anything better to do" jazz. Yet the people saying this cab;t find anything better to do than read this thread compulsively. I know, I'm going over my limit of commenting again because I'm obsessed, unlike leftwingers who are obsessed with making hateful comments and compulsively come to conservative sites and get so agitated they have to swear at us, call us names, accuse us of being filled with hate and obsessive compulsion. Oy vey, as they say up Brooklyn way. Enjoy your walk, Johnnie.
ExtraThickPlyboard| 10.29.12 @ 8:55PM
Are there leftists on here?
I thought they were just progressive Republicans. That's what I am. I lean a little to the left on social issues, but I am a hardcore fiscal conservative.
TLP| 10.29.12 @ 9:34PM
With any luck, Mr. Oxymoron will get washed away.
He "leans a little Left" on Social Issues, but he's a Hardcore Conservative when it comes to Fiscal Matters.
TLP| 10.29.12 @ 9:37PM
Hello?
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.29.12 @ 9:40PM
Clearly, there's the makings of another contest here.
Pasadena Parade Marshall| 10.29.12 @ 8:58PM
Ever notice when American Spectator does a piece that remotely invovles religion all the nuts and loose screws come out to express themselves.
And express themselves, and express themselves, ad nauseum.
You tell 'em, Johnnie Revels.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.29.12 @ 9:11PM
I have noticed that when the amount of first time posters with e-mail addresses that end with @emory.edu increases, the nature of the discourse decreases (except for the whiny accusation that there are "haters" here, followed by the complaint of "why don't you shut up).
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.29.12 @ 9:02PM
...and I thought you were off in Portland, again, Johnnie.
We wouldn't want you to get washed away in the storm surge.
Of course, if you were on the East Coast, you would know that nearly 60 million people have been ordered to stay home, and having done all I can do to prepare my family and my community for the storm, the answer is No, I don't have anything better to do.
But I will consider the fact that it annoys you a collateral benefit.
5%of$150| 10.29.12 @ 9:08PM
Stop it! Stop it!
I am beginning to feel like a seizure is coming on. All this crackpot chitchat from the lips of Big Fat Albert Constantine Jr., AmSpecs blabber mouth fulltime 24 hrs-per- day resident jackass.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.29.12 @ 9:13PM
Clearly, this appears to be amusing me more than you. Might I recommend you going somewhere else for your health?
TLP| 10.29.12 @ 9:50PM
Normally, I would help you out, but I got nothin.
Hey $7.50.
OH YEAH?
Whatta ya think? Not bad, right?
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.29.12 @ 10:11PM
The math works, and he's worth every penny, as he is 15 times greater than Curtis Bridges AKA Fifty Cent.
CJW| 10.29.12 @ 10:29PM
No reason to help. Some poor student is forced to write this for the nutty professor. With any luck they will graduate and get a $10 hour purp troll job.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.29.12 @ 10:38PM
Ain't it a shame that they go to college, and with instructors like that, posting like Purp is the only thing they're qualified to do.
At least if they had to go to a shop class, they'd be able to change a tire.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.29.12 @ 10:38PM
Ain't it a shame that they go to college, and with instructors like that, posting like Purp is the only thing they're qualified to do.
At least if they had to go to a shop class, they'd be able to change a tire.
PCPSmokerII| 10.29.12 @ 9:38PM
Now, what influence did the methodist religion have relative to his view on the Soviet Union? As I recall, the 1970s were the heydays of Soviet expansion. They started the decade victorious in Vietnam and celebrated its ending by invading the jihadists in Afghanistan. So, where the great opposition by the Great Methodist himself, John Wesley McGovern? Oh, yea, like millions in his generation, he fought in WWII.
Conservatives are truly pathetic pieces of shit.
TLP| 10.29.12 @ 9:54PM
Remember who this is coming from.
PCP Smoker Jr.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.29.12 @ 9:58PM
I miss POST.
JimP| 10.29.12 @ 11:01PM
It's genuinely bizarre how agitated the leftwing comments are on this thread. The lefties hate us with a passion, but can't stop reading the threads and making hate filled comments. Calling us crazy is classic projection because only crazy people do things that get them so angry that they are compelled to make hate filled comments. Ever notice how they have zero counter arguments to make to conservative's comments? When you have no better argument you call people crazy, obsessive etc, etc. Well, I'm waaaay over quota tonight. Think I'll 'let it go' and talk a walk out in the hurricane, now humongous Nor' Easter, 'cause I can't find anything better to do. Adieu.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.29.12 @ 11:37PM
There is another long day on troll watch tomorrow, at least until the power goes out. Au revoir.