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Biden’s Other Big Debate Lie
His lie about Obamacare’s contraception mandate may be worse than his Benghazi whopper.
Most of the criticism aimed at Joe Biden relating to his disgraceful performance in last Thursday’s VP debate has related to his transparent lie about what the Obama administration knew about the September 11 terrorist attack on our Benghazi consulate. But that was by no means the only whopper of consequence he told during the debate. Another lie that may cause nearly as much damage to his boss’s re-election prospects involves the one he told about Obamacare’s contraception mandate. Whereas his tale about the September 11 attack thwarted the MSM’s attempt to bury the Benghazi story, what he said about the contraception mandate actually disinterred a story they thought they had safely deep-sixed until after the election.
Toward the end of the debate, the candidates were asked to discuss “what role your religion has played in your own personal views on abortion.” As part of his response, Paul Ryan pointed out that the Obama administration is using Obamacare to assault our religious liberties: “They’re infringing upon our first freedom, the freedom of religion, by infringing on Catholic charities, Catholic churches, Catholic hospitals.” He was, of course, referring to the infamous HHS edict requiring employers to provide insurance that pays for abortion drugs, contraception, and sterilization. Predictably, Ryan’s comment elicited one of the 85 interruptions whereby America’s crazy uncle transformed the debate into a 90-minute exhibition of boorish bluster and balderdash.
When Ryan was permitted to finish, Biden weighed in on the issue with characteristic mendacity: “With regard to the assault on the Catholic church, let me make it absolutely clear, no religious institution, Catholic or otherwise, including Catholic Social Services, Georgetown Hospital, Mercy Hospital, any hospital, none has to either refer contraception, none has to pay for contraception, none has to be a vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide. That is a fact.” This claim obviously bears no resemblance to “fact.” As the Heritage Foundation promptly pointed out, “The real ‘fact’ about the anti-conscience mandate is that it applies to almost all employers —including many religious organizations such as hospitals and social service providers.”
And the response to Biden’s bald-faced lie was not limited to dispassionate analysis by conservative think tanks. On October 12, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) issued a statement denouncing the VP’s deceptive comments in no uncertain terms. The statement specifically referred to the Catholic organizations cited by Biden himself and used them as evidence that his words were not remotely factual: “The HHS mandate contains a narrow, four-part exemption for certain ‘religious employers.’ That exemption was made final in February and does not extend to ‘Catholic social services, Georgetown hospital, Mercy hospital, any hospital,’ or any other religious charity that offers its services to all, regardless of the faith of those served.”
The USCCB is, in fact, showing some reserve in its use of the adjective “narrow” to describe the exemptions the Obama administration was generous enough to include in its imperial edict. As the Archbishop of Washington described the phony “accommodation” made by the President when the contraception mandate produced predictable public outrage, “HHS’s conception of what constitutes the practice of religion is so narrow that even Mother Teresa would not have qualified.” The Obama administration is, as Paul Ryan succinctly put it despite repeated interruptions by Biden and more than a few from the very moderator who was ostensibly there to prevent such boorish nonsense, “assaulting the religious liberties of this country.”
Ryan also directed the following question to Biden, after being interrupted yet again: “Why would they keep suing you?” This was a reference to a series of lawsuits filed against the Obama administration by a wide variety of high-profile Catholic organizations, including the Archdiocese of Washington, D.C. and the University of Notre Dame, pursuant to a federal contraception mandate that Biden had just said doesn’t force religious organizations to “pay for contraception” or “has to be a vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide.” The debate’s “moderator” came to Biden’s rescue on that unanswerable question by demanding of Ryan, “If the Romney-Ryan ticket is elected, should those who believe that abortion should remain legal be worried?
That interruption saved Biden from answering Ryan’s question, but it didn’t remove the lawsuits. And these suits are by no means limited to Catholic institutions. In July, Judge John Kane of the U.S. District Court for the District of Colorado issued an order forbidding the government from taking action against Hercules Industries for refusing to provide contraceptive coverage to its employees. The plaintiffs argue, as do the Catholic institutions cited by USCCB, that the contraception mandate violates their First Amendment right to religious freedom. And, as if to provide a preview of the kind of justice we can expect to receive in this country if Biden and his boss are re-elected, their government lawyers argue that the plaintiffs have no claim to this fundamental right because they operate a for-profit business.
The usual suspects on the left appeared to be happy with Biden’s obnoxious debate performance. And Obama campaign spokeswoman, Clo Ewing, doubled down on his preposterous statement about the contraception mandate: “President Obama and Vice President Biden believe standing up for women’s health… no religious institution will have to refer, provide, or pay for contraception.” This position, to coin a phrase, is worse than a crime, it’s a mistake. Among the states that both campaigns covet this year is Florida, home to many Catholic Hispanics. Recent polls show Romney cutting into Obama’s support among that voting bloc. Biden’s braying about the contraceptive mandate will not have slowed that trend.
The United States is among the most religious countries on the planet. The Obama administration’s assault on religious liberty in an election year was a dumb call. With the collusion of the “news” media, however, they probably thought they had succeeded in burying the issue until after the election. But America’s crazy uncle, in addition to drawing attention to the Benghazi blunder, has managed to raise the contraception mandate from the dead as well. Joe is the best man on our team.
About the Author
David Catron is a health care revenue cycle expert who has spent more than twenty years working for and consulting with hospitals and medical practices. He has an MBA from the University of Georgia and blogs at Health Care BS.
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Appleby| 10.15.12 @ 6:51AM
I hope this issue is raised again in the "debate" tomorrow night. It is absolutely disgusting that Mr. Biden calls himself a Catholic when he not only holds so many anti-Catholic views and that he looks into the camera and lies so blatantly and obviously and consistently about this subject. Biden has been banned from receiving the sacraments of the Church because of what he has espoused and what he has done. Apparently, there is a disconnect between the definition of truth in the dictionaries of the world, and that which lives in Joe Biden's so-called mind. Be not deceived: God is not mocked. God KNOWS what the truth is, Joe.
Darin| 10.15.12 @ 7:06AM
Interesting how Biden says he does not want to impose his "Catholic morality" regarding abortion but has no problem imposing his "Catholic morality" regarding welfare programs. Of course, Biden ignores the fact that Christ's commands to help the poor were personal. We are to give from our OWN pockets, not give from OTHERS pockets.
John Navratil| 10.15.12 @ 7:40AM
Darin,
But "Christ was a communist", don't you know? It must have been a transcription error when is was recorded that he taught to render unto Caesar that which was Caesar's.
The irony of donning the mantle of Christ to command politically defined "christ-like" behaviour it profound.
KyMouse| 10.15.12 @ 4:44PM
There is a bumper sticker that reads, "Obama isn't a brown-skinned anti-war socialist who gives away free healthcare. You're thinking of Jesus."
Again and again, people have tried to reduce Jesus to someone other than who the Bible says He is: the Jewish Messiah, God, and the sin-bearing Savior of everyone who puts their faith (obedient trust) in Him. For example, John 4:25-26; John 8:56-58; and John 3:14-18.
I guess that His true identity and purposes are irrelevant or inconvenient for some folks.
KyMouse| 10.15.12 @ 4:45PM
There is a bumper sticker that reads, "Obama isn't a brown-skinned anti-war socialist who gives away free healthcare. You're thinking of Jesus."
Again and again, people have tried to reduce Jesus to someone other than who the Bible says He is: the Jewish Messiah, God, and the sin-bearing Savior of everyone who puts their faith (obedient trust) in Him. For example, John 4:25-26; John 8:56-58; and John 3:14-18.
I guess that His true identity and purposes are irrelevant or inconvenient for some folks.
Von Mises Jr| 10.15.12 @ 7:46AM
Jesus spoke of the "Poor in spirit." Yesterday's Catholic Gospel was about the rich man whom approached Jesus and asked what he must do to gain Heaven. When the man confirmed that he had kept the Commandments, Jesus told him he must sell everything and follow him. The man left dispirited.
Christ was not saying that money or material goods were bad or evil. He was telling the man "love of money" is the root of all evil. The rich man has a better chance of passing through the eye of a needle than reaching Heaven since he puts himself and materialism first. Christ said you cannot serve two Gods.
For liberals, they put their hubris and pride first. They reject prudence and wisdom for vanity. This is another reason I do not suffer them well.
And while you are correct about personal sacrifice, Darin; it is not money that we must focus on. Liberals rarely offer charitable works either. Some celebrities and politicians organize charity for their own aggrandizement. But the true charitable man does not display his works, but simply quietly helps others without seeking kudos.
John Navratil| 10.15.12 @ 8:57AM
Von Mises Jr,
Could a certain candidate for President serve as an example of quiet charity?
Von Mises Jr| 10.15.12 @ 9:46AM
Mitt donated an additional 15% of his income to his Church after paying about the same in taxes. It was not an issue until the left demanded his tax returns. Then we hear from people he helped personally where money did not necessarily change hands.
Steve Wynn was also demonized by the regime. He created 250K jobs and donates 120% of his income and bonuses to charity.
Be careful what you ask for. You may get it.
DTOM| 10.15.12 @ 9:44AM
VMJ,
Lutherans heard the same Gospel lesson from Mark, yesterday - we're closer than you might think...
Don't Tread On Me...
Von Mises Jr| 10.15.12 @ 9:54AM
Most of us read from the same Bible except the Muslims and Atheist.
Black Liberation Theology substitutes Critical Race Theory for our Homily.
I am sure Obama is one of the three, perhaps more than one.
“Bite Me” and Pelosi claim to be Catholic, but they also claim to be American and they also hate everything it stands for.
DTOM| 10.15.12 @ 11:47AM
VMJ - my point was that the readings you heard during Mass Sunday were most probably the same ones I heard in our Sunday worship.
And I do agree with you on the points you are making...
KyMouse| 10.15.12 @ 4:57PM
Acknowledging the same Gospel readings is great, but what is our authority for faith and practice -- Roman Catholic teaching, or the Bible? Are God's graces dispensed by the Church, or are they freely available directly from God for everyone who puts their faith (obedient trust in Jesus)? Are we saved by faith plus works, or only through faith in Jesus? Do we have many mediators, including Mary and the saints, or is Jesus our only mediator?
These and other questions are crucial.
Nick| 10.16.12 @ 1:37AM
I will attempt to, briefly, answer your several questions, KyMouse.
"[...] but what is our authority for faith and practice -- Roman Catholic teaching, or the Bible?"
The teachings of the Catholic Church come from Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition (cf 2 Thess. 2:14 ff), which is called the Deposit of Faith. The Deposit of Faith is guarded by the Magisterium (Teaching Authority) of the Church (cf. 1 Tim. 6:20).
Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and the Magisterium have been referred to as "the three legged stool" of the Catholic Church, because Christ's Church cannot stand without all three.
"Are God's graces dispensed by the Church, or are they freely available directly from God for everyone who puts their faith (obedient trust in Jesus)?"
It depends to which graces you are referring. Baptism is normally dispensed by the Church, but, can be performed by the laity in an emergency. The Catholic Church also recognizes the baptisms of several Christian denominations. Intercessory prayer bestows God's graces on those who pray on behalf of others.
"Are we saved by faith plus works, or only through faith in Jesus?"
"So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself." - James 2:17 (See also 1 Tim. 6:18)
Nick| 10.16.12 @ 1:38AM
Continued...
"Do we have many mediators, including Mary and the saints, or is Jesus our only mediator?"
No, the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Choir of Saints are intercessors, not mediators (cf 1 Tim. 2:1 ff). Christ is our only mediator.
Hope that helps.
God Bless!
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.15.12 @ 7:50AM
It is particularly amusing in light of how little Biden himself has donated to charity of his own money, when one reviews his tax returns.
TLP| 10.15.12 @ 8:56AM
And just like that, it's not Friday anymore.
It's back to the same old, same old.
Did you see the Space Jump?
Did you see the Nobel Prize Committee's Impersonation of the Musicians on The Titanic? (I thought about using that one on Friday, but by then, 50 more Horrible Things will have happened to what used to be, a Civiliized World.) know what I mean?
Take last Friday's Prize, for instance. After reading the Certificates of Authenticity a little more closely (I lose my Glasses a lot ) it seems that those "Hairs" from Biden's Comb? Let's just say - They weren't exactly from his Head.
"Biden Lied." No Sh*t. He's a Liar.
"Biden was a Pompous Ass, Blowhard, Cckckng Scumbag." No Kidding. He's been that, all of his Adult Life.
That's what happens when you never Work a Day in the Private Sector. We have a Disconnected Duo in the White House who - COMBINED - have amassed exactly 0 Days in the Private Sector. NONE. All the while telling us how Romney is Outta Touch with the American People, even as - in another room - a Marxist Muslim Leftist Ideologue with the Billionaire Nazi Loving Fallen Jew Benefactor, is being prepped for a Debate by the World Renowned Rich Widow Chaser Billionaire John Fckng Kerry on how to Connect with the Middle Class.
Last week's Leftist Skank Moderator is about to be replaced by a Fat Pig of a Leftist Skank, in an Unbiased Debate where Tubby Tuba will undoubtedly Slip President Gay Bathhouse Eye Candy the Questions, beforehand.
Is it Friday, yet?
Albert Constantine Jr.| 10.15.12 @ 9:17AM
If Thomas Edison hadn’t invented motion pictures, we would have to find another venue for the Friday contests. I imagines plays would be the most common medium, and for title alone, for this administration, I would nominate “Comedy of Errors”, but only because I am not aware that Shakespeare wrote “Tragedy of Errors”.
benny havens| 10.15.12 @ 10:00AM
How about Shakespeare’s “The Merry Wives of the White House”?
TLP| 10.15.12 @ 11:14AM
All right, Sweethearts, that's enough a that.
Save it for Friday.
You can do it right after your Manicures.
Anthony| 10.15.12 @ 11:41AM
bh, I think you ment "The merry gal pals of the Jessie Jackson's".
Look's like Jessie Jr's chickens are com'n home to roost, just like papa's did. Keep Hope Alive!!!
gene| 10.15.12 @ 9:24AM
"Biden not know.
Biden only pawn in game of life".
Ken (Old Texican)| 10.15.12 @ 9:47AM
TLP
that was a good one. now.....explain to this idiot pne more time why and how to get into your contest.
TLP| 10.15.12 @ 11:20AM
Kenny. You gotta follow the Clue.
Last Friday's Contest was at Berkely. You had to Drive to Berkeley.
Of you look at the Stories, you'll find one about BERKELEY.
That's the Clue.
Ipso Facto - that's how it's done.
Just how OLD are you?
Ken (Old Texican)| 10.15.12 @ 5:48PM
tlp.....I ain t interested! in your bull shit game.
Try this real-world game. A...Obama wins. B...your internet is turned off.
Will you quit bitching then and quietly release your safties?
TLP| 10.15.12 @ 7:03PM
Why are you yelling at me?
I didn't attack you.
I thought we were friends?
How OLD are you?
That was a joke.
If I offended you, I apologize.
That was not my intent.
Von Mises Jr| 10.15.12 @ 9:59AM
Are you saying "Eye Candy" is being salivated over by the "Candy Girl" that pops Reese Peanut Butter Cups like breath mints?
TLP| 10.15.12 @ 11:16AM
You mean Peanut Butter Big Macs, don't ya?
Von Mises Jr| 10.15.12 @ 2:20PM
Could be whole pecan pies.
TLP| 10.15.12 @ 4:38PM
You mean Whole Pecan Pies covered in Peanut Butter, don't ya?
SUBVET| 10.15.12 @ 8:57AM
Proverbs 29:9 says it all.....If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool rages and laughs, and there is no peace.
Dai Alanye | 10.15.12 @ 1:15PM
Allow me to rise to Joe Biden's defense. This anti-abortion concerned is simply caused by Biden using a certain debate tactic, one which worked almost flawlessly with Martha Raddatz moderating.
In ordinary terms we refer to the tactic as, "Lying through his teeth."
So go easy on Joe. He's merely following Obama's guidelines.
Stephie| 10.15.12 @ 7:02AM
Biden and his boss will do and say anything to retain their power. I guess they think everyone is as stupid as their base voting block.
SUBVET| 10.15.12 @ 8:47AM
Stephie here is a quote from a well known leader......."What luck for rulers that men do not think".......Adolph Hittler
Alej| 10.15.12 @ 10:01AM
They know better. But they're intentionally talking only to the stupidest, most uncaring and parasitic 52 % of people who live in this country. They couldn't care less what the rest think or do.
Anthony| 10.15.12 @ 7:22AM
Romney damn well better be careful on Tuesday. The MSM are out to tag-team Romney and Ryan now, after the Obozo/Biteme fiascos.
Ms. Raddatz lap danced Biteme for 90 minutes to insure this buffoon didn't make more of a complete ass of himself, then he did. She failed. Candy Crowley however, as a heavyweight card carrying whore of the MSM in good standing, will employ a similar tactic on behalf of Obozo.
In this debate, she'll be the one doing the lap dancing, but it will be to crush poor Romney, as opposed to pampering him.
They might have to peel Romney off of his chair by the time Crowley is finished doing her bit for the Obozo/Biteme team.
DTOM| 10.15.12 @ 9:47AM
Anthony,
I'm thinking we shouldn't call Big Candy a "whore."
I mean, just look at her...
Don't Tread On Me....
Anthony| 10.15.12 @ 10:12AM
DTOM, They come in all shapes and sizes, especially the political/media ones.
But even some of the "working women" come in on the large size; to each person their kink.
Purp, please confirm this for us, will ya?
TLP| 10.15.12 @ 11:21AM
He probably meant Horse.
DTOM| 10.15.12 @ 12:11PM
I have had only one experience with prostitutes. It was this:
On a business trip through Nevada with a co-worker we happened to drive by the Mustang Ranch while it was still in operation. My co-worker, had been with the firm for several years, I was a new hire, insisted that we stop in just to look. I had no leverage, he was at the wheel. So I had no choice. After getting buzzed in through the barbed wire fence, we were led to a large carpeted bar area. There was a line of prostitutes standing there greeting us. I said that I was not interested, and sat down at the bar, ordering one very expensive drink. My co-worker asked the quintessential question, 'How much?' The reply was, 'you have to pick a girl and go to her room to find out.' He picked and went. At this point, one of the women sat down next to me at the bar trying to make a sale. I was polite but resolute in my refusal. She went. My co-worker came back 10 minutes later and we left. I didn't finish the drink - it was horrible.
My recollections are three:
It reeked like a deodorant cake in a cheap gas station urinal.
The women looked decidely forlorn.
Candy Crowley would not have fit into the lineup - in any way, shape, or form. None was that fat, ugly, or old.
DTOM
PS. I made it a point to avoid road trips with that co-worker in the future.
PPS The movie about the Mustang Ranch had a scene that corresponded quite closely to my recollection of the place and the experience.
DTOM
RJ| 10.15.12 @ 9:03AM
While Joe Biden's performance will long be remembered, Martha Raddatz set a new low in partisan moderating and should not be overlooked.
Why not go all out with this farce? I would like to see Jay Carney serve as the next debate moderator and have Joe Biden come back as the moderator for the last debate. Much of the media outdoes Saturday Night Life. Art Buchwald used to say it is hard to be in the comedy business when government is your competition. These days, the media has joined in as well.
Al Adab| 10.15.12 @ 9:26AM
One would like to believe that these were not outright "lies" but rather stemmed from the delusional world which this administration inhabits. Sadly, while they are delusional, their only priority is continuing themselves in power. Biden spoke whatever he needed in order to appeal to his base and maintain power. The rest of us are ignorant in their eyes and only they can rule properly. Do not be surprised at their lies, but fear this election as possibly the final act in our long descent into tyranny.
DTOM| 10.15.12 @ 9:52AM
Al,
You are underestimating their selfish, egocentric narcissism. The one thing that has not been spelled out clearly enough is that not only is our littlest President a narcissist, he is the chief narcissist presiding over the narcissists' party, the Democrats...
To be a current day liberal, you have to hold incredibly narcissistic views of everything. "It's all about me and what I think is right! Don't bother me with any laws, votes, Bible, or your stupid, wrong-headed opinions. It's what I think!"
Basically it's sophism rearing its ugly head for the gazillionth time.
There is nothing new under the sun...
Don't Tread On Me...
Ken (Old Texican)| 10.15.12 @ 10:12AM
Al Adab...............have no fear" ( but fear this election as possibly the final act in our long descent into tyranny. )" NO SIR!"...the final act you will hear is the crack of my .7.65 magnum mauser.
Honestly, I believe 50 million Americans are patiently waiting out the
result.s of this election.....
If.....between false ballots.....and bribed ballots...and communist ballots, these guys "win".
...........then they have surely lost...the whole damned ball game.
Al Adab| 10.15.12 @ 12:50PM
The break-up when and if it comes, will likely take very strange turns. Read Colin Woodards American Nations for insights into the cultural (and political) differences defining the patterns of our larger society.
I too Ken, think that a rebellion of some form will likely occur. Whether it turns on weapons (I'll stand next to you anyday) or on non-compliance by millions to the dictates of this administration remains to be seen.
Kwan| 10.15.12 @ 9:58AM
Like his running mate Da Community Organizer Biden must try to convince the electorate not to believe their lying eyes about the mess the country is in, since he and the other incompetent phony Obama became President and Vice-President. Once again we have a Democrat trying to con us with the old line that it's the goodness of our intentions that count, not the abysmal failure of those good intentions that matter. If you had a business and these two goof-balls (Obama and Biden) were running it and losing money day after day, wouldn't you eventually have to take Clint Eastwood's advice and let them go? The electorate is going to have to inform these two buffoons on November 6th that they won't have to show-up for work on January 21st, due to the fact they've been fired.
Who Knows?| 10.15.12 @ 10:11AM
Who’s on first? What’s next?
It is just SO funny that our rulers, the MSM, being good atheists, totally despise religion, especially Catholics and their “God-Man”, the pope. Why?
Because there is, as any math major could tell you, a one-to-one homomorphism between them. Of course, it’s tough to name who the pope is for the MSM, but is there any doubt that there is a well-defined hierarchy for both Catholics AND the MSM?
There are Cardinals, priests, lay officials, Bishops, etc---hey, my maternal grandmother was named Bishop. Why, I can even picture the conquistadors, say a Cortez, in the New World, using sword and gun to “convert” heathens.
Yes, it’s so funny!
Maybe Chris Matthews is the Pope of the MSM empire.
While he and his soldiers laugh at the believers in God, THEY themselves are the most rabid BELIEVERS in their own atheistic cause.
Yes, oh lord of secularism, I BELIEVE! Thus saith Pope Matthews---admonishing all his followers to get with His program. I saw the Light—it tinkles!
Mere belief, however, is always an error, sure to elicit a lawful result.
The world always tinkles, and tinkles back.
Next for the “Pope”---a tinkle UP his leg, that jolts his scrotum, with full metal jacket power. OUCH!!!
drake1456| 10.15.12 @ 11:07AM
They continue to trumpet abortion as a "womans right" yet, apparently, MANY seniors and others will be denied care for problems NOT of their making such as breast reductions and hip replacements as a result of Obamacare.
Bill8472| 10.15.12 @ 11:35AM
My favorite on abortion as a woman's right is that they always claim that they have the right to control their own bodies and abortion is part of that.
They make that claim right before they begin chanting in support of taxpayer-funded abortions.
Jack London| 10.15.12 @ 12:38PM
Of course Biden did not lie. The policy requires insurers, not institutions, to provide contraceptive coverage. About half of all states already required this so this is a lot of fuss about not very much. Here is the policy:
– Religious organizations will not have to provide contraceptive coverage or refer their employees to organizations that provide contraception.
– Religious organizations will not be required to subsidize the cost of contraception.
– Contraception coverage will be offered to women by their employers’ insurance companies directly, with no role for religious employers who oppose contraception.
– Insurance companies will be required to provide contraception coverage to these women free of charge.
Al Adab| 10.15.12 @ 12:52PM
Jack my artic friend:
By what stretch of imagination do you propose that anyone has a moral claim to my earnings and how I spend them? You final point says, "free of charge" does it not? Who I might ask provides the cost associated with handouts of anything free of charge?
Al Adab| 10.15.12 @ 12:53PM
sorry, mispelled arctic.
John Navratil| 10.15.12 @ 1:07PM
Al Adab,
Those would be the magic unicorns!
DTOM| 10.15.12 @ 2:00PM
Al,
Medial care will be free the way that harvesting cotton in the old South was. Slave labor is free! (once you own the slave...)
Jack, you idiot!
Don't Tread On Me!!!
Jack London| 10.15.12 @ 1:29PM
Come on Al - we've been through all this before. All insurance is a pooled effort - you are always paying for someone else unless you need to make use of the insurance. But you know that.
Jack London| 10.15.12 @ 1:42PM
In any case, as the government says:
"Covering contraception is cost neutral since it saves money by keeping women healthy and preventing spending on other health services. For example, there was no increase in premiums when contraception was added to the Federal Employees Health Benefit System and required of non-religious employers in Hawaii. One study found that covering contraception saved employees $97 per year, per employee."
DTOM| 10.15.12 @ 1:58PM
Jack,
Makes sense. But the same logic implies that anyone who gets sick should be shot - because bullets are cheaper than medical care, it'll save medical care costs. And stimulate business, in bullet manufacturing.
Thanks for helpin' out with that.
Dolt!
Don't Tread On Me!!
Al Adab| 10.15.12 @ 3:46PM
Jack overlooks the fact that the government imposed mandate is not insurance as well as he does the fact that it forces 85% of the population to purchase something on behalf of 15%.
All the cast analysis and statistics matter nothing compared to the immoral impost, a taking if you will, which mandatory confiscation of personal property represents. The collective has no moral claim to my property and I have no obligation to honor an unjust law. Non-compliance is the route here and I for one will not comply.
Jack London| 10.15.12 @ 4:01PM
So you don't pay any insurance, Al? No social security or Medicare for you? I guess you do live in a bunker, which I presume is also exempt from property tax.
I'm talking to a guy who live in Waco tomorrow - I'll ask him if he knows your bunker. It must be horrible going through your whole life thinking the government is out to get you - you have my sympathy.
Drunken Sailor| 10.15.12 @ 4:31PM
Life is much worse to think the goverment is the answer to all your problems.
Never fails to amaze me how many people would willing become wards of the state to make their life "easier".
TLP| 10.15.12 @ 2:13PM
Actually, Dumb@ss. It REQUIRES the Church to PROVIDE INSURANCE that covers all of those Abotions, and Aborfacients.
It's the same thing.
I know you're not that Fckng Stupid.
You think you're really Smart, and WE'RE Fckng Stupid.
Give it up, ya puke.
It's what you Brit Homos call: Too clever by half.
I call it, and You: A Lying Piece of Sh*t.
spike59| 10.16.12 @ 5:42AM
AMEN
mike 3/505| 10.15.12 @ 3:44PM
All Y'all are missing the real point about government insurance mandates...The question we should be axin' is, "By what Constitutional Authority does the Federal Government get to decide the contents of a contract freely entered into"...to wit...Where do they get off telling insurance companies what they will cover. Coverage is the result of negotiation between the insured and the insurance company. The only interest the government has in that arena, is contract...period. enforcement
mike 3/505| 10.15.12 @ 3:45PM
***The only interest the government has in that arena is contract enforcement/fraud prevention...period.
Edit Button Please.
TLP| 10.15.12 @ 4:39PM
What are you wearing?
mike 3/505| 10.15.12 @ 5:16PM
Jock Strap, Jump Boots, Protective Mask & a light coat of oil.
mike 3/505| 10.15.12 @ 5:17PM
Dress Blues & Tennis Shoes
TLP| 10.15.12 @ 7:06PM
I'm sorry I asked.
mike 3/505| 10.15.12 @ 7:31PM
Heheheheheh. Howareya Tim?
John Navratil| 10.15.12 @ 3:59PM
mike 3/505,
When people start buying their own policies there will be a demand for that. As it is, the states mandate the coverage, the employer shops for the best rate for one of a small handful of options, and the worker takes what he gets.
How many people will write to their Congressman and complain that their employer has given them a Hobson's choice of buying insurance which isn't exactly what they wants (think contraception) or nothing? The letter they DO write is that insurance is too expensive and the government should do something about it.
Jack London| 10.15.12 @ 4:13PM
All the states below - 28 - have required contraception in plans for some time John, with similar exemptions for you religious/far right freaks. There's been no massive outcry until the freaks decided it's good to get Obama on.
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Georgia
Hawaii
Illinois
Iowa
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
MichiganΩ
Missouri
MontanaΩ
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Meico
New York
North Carolina
Oregon
Rhode Island
Teas
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Bill8472| 10.16.12 @ 9:38AM
Yes, the states may legislate such issues, not the federal government, under the Tenth Amendment. If you don't like contraception legislation in North Carolina, you're free to move to Tennessee, South Carolina, or Wyoming.
mike 3/505| 10.15.12 @ 4:33PM
John,
You are correct Sir...except to one thing.....Why do people need to go through their employer? Answer...because the employer subsidizes the policy...therefore, as the primary "owner," it's the employer's call as to what policies he/she will pay for. Problem with this whole shebang, is that folks who pay the least for the service, insurance or government, are the ones who gripe the most about that service.
Jack...regarding your little missive...Constitution 101 clearly says that the States have different authorities than does the Federal government...not that I agree with their interference in private contracts either. If we could get both the federal government and the collective state governments out of this business and confine them to their true roles, health care and by extension health insurance would be a lot cheaper and a lot more effective.
Regards,
Mike