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The Secret (Weapon) Romney Tapes
Just what the Republican’s campaign needed to get back on message.
The far-left magazine Mother Jones is making a splash, or what Democrats think is a splash, with video from a private fundraiser held in May for Mitt Romney. During the event, Romney spoke about the 47 percent of Americans who are dependent on government and pay no income tax and are therefore unlikely to favorably receive the Romney campaign’s message, at least on the tax cut issue.
The left is now calling them the “secret Romney tapes,” trying to raise images of Richard Nixon and late-night sweaty-brow conspiracies. In response to this clip being released, Mitt Romney said he hopes that whoever took the video will release all of it — hardly the sign of a man afraid of his words.
On Tuesday afternoon, Mother Jones obliged. The entire event can be seen here: Part 1 (which does not seem actually to begin at the beginning) and Part 2. On Wednesday, David Corn, the reporter who made the video(s) public admitted that the recording was not complete despite his earlier claims that it was.
In a late-night press conference on Monday, Romney said that his words were “not elegantly stated” — which is certainly true — but he stood up for the basic ideas. As well he should.
While the Romney campaign must not back off the issue of Obama’s utter failure in foreign policy (but do a better job than Romney did in the first hours of the Middle East and North Africa turmoil), these so-called “secret tapes” could be precisely what the campaign needs to get back on to message about Obama’s government-centered society of dependency and Romney’s individual-centered society of opportunity.
To be sure, Romney’s wording was clumsy, and some important portion of those who don’t pay income tax certainly wish they earned enough to have to pay tax. A reporter asked Romney if he thinks he offended 47 percent of the country. Surely the reporter hopes so, and Romney didn’t answer the question directly. But if 47 percent of the country was going to be offended by discussion of personal responsibility, then 47 percent of the country would be Democrats.
The real issue, which Romney can and must frame to the American electorate, is that President Obama is intentionally driving us off a fiscal cliff while chasing the liberal utopia of a government-centered entitlement society and income redistribution (from the turnabout-is-fair-play files, a newly found recording of Obama from 1998, same as he’s always been…)
Compare the two men yourself:
When I hear Romney’s words at this event, my reaction is “Say more of this stuff in public, Mitt. It’s a strong and correct message (other than the use of a number as high as 47 percent) and it will resonate with many Americans, including quite a few who don’t pay income tax.”
The Obama campaign responded to news of the recording with a blog posting entitled “You won’t believe this” in which they say that Romney’s words “demonstrate… disgust and disdain for half of our fellow Americans.” You will not be surprised to learn that Mother Jones columnist David Corn suggested in the original article that Mitt Romney’s words show his “disdain for half of America.”
This is obviously false. What Romney has is disdain for is Obama’s vision for America, which unfortunately is coming more clearly into focus with each passing month.
A few data points speak for themselves:
• Under the Obama presidency, food stamp usage has increased by 46 percent, from 32 million people to nearly 47 million people. The cost of the program has grown even more dramatically, now at over $6.2 billion per month versus $3.6 billion when Obama took office, an increase of about 70 percent. Food stamp spending comprised about 80 percent of the cost of the most recent horrific “Farm Bill.” This despite the number of unemployed people in America having risen “only” (a term I use very loosely considering we are in what the Obama administration terms a recovery) by half a million people over that same period. Fifteen percent of the American population is on food stamps. (Read that last sentence repeatedly until it sinks in.)
About the Author
Ross Kaminsky is a self-employed trader and investor and is a senior fellow of the Heartland Institute. He is the host of The Ross Kaminsky Show on Denver’s NewsRadio 850 KOA at 11 AM on most Sundays. You can reach Ross by e-mail at rossputin(at)rossputin(dot)com.
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Darin| 9.19.12 @ 6:50AM
The event in question happened in mid-March 2012. Why is it "suddenly" being brought up in mid-September? That's four months. Could it be to act as a distraction to divert attention from the momumental screw-up regarding security of US embassies in the Middle East on the anniversary of 9/11? Or to hide the fact that Obama will go on Letterman, campaign in Las Vegas, meet with Beyonce and Jay Z, but "not have the time" to meet with Netanyahu regarding concerns about Iran?
Oh, that's right. It's Bush's fault.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 8:13AM
It was May ... clearly when he was going to be the nominee.
In any case, planting a "Dirty Bomb" in an American city is Romney's advice to Iran? Teaching them how to terrorize America - that's a Presidential candidate?
Pecos Pete| 9.19.12 @ 8:19AM
Violet: And Obama's instructions to NOT allow Marines to have live ammunition was designed to protect our diplomats, right? Or, even better, not even provide the Marines in the first place. Very presidential actions on the part of Obama and his minions.
Pecos Pete| 9.19.12 @ 8:20AM
/I know, do not feed the trolls. Couldn't help myself this morning, I'm on my first cup of coffee./
Jack in Wi| 9.19.12 @ 6:33PM
I suggest that Romney do waht he pushed Todd Akin to do. He should resign from the ticket and let someone who has some common sense and knowledge take his place. He is an idiot who thinks that having all of McCain's and Bush's consultants will win him this election. I was at my Bible study last night and most of these people want Obama gone. They were very depressed with Romney's blundering campaign. I hate to say I told you so. Who has been right all along here about Romney. The answer is me. I did think with Obama's terrible record on the economy he had a chance. Everyday he is sinking. Mitt just quit and do everyone a favor.
TLP| 9.19.12 @ 7:31PM
Yeah.
Good Plan.
Idiot.
Pecos Pete| 9.19.12 @ 8:20AM
/I know, do not feed the trolls. Couldn't help myself this morning, I'm on my first cup of coffee./
Pecos Pete| 9.19.12 @ 8:20AM
oops
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 8:38AM
At least you're not a coward to make an argument... you don't have to agree to talk.
spike59| 9.20.12 @ 12:57PM
You blamed Ambassador Stevens for his own death, Burp.
You are a disgusting scumbag.
============================
over and over, twerp...over and over
TLP| 9.19.12 @ 7:32PM
Contest on Friday.
BE THERE!
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 8:38AM
Same that Reagan did in Lebanon - so what?
Bob Grant| 9.19.12 @ 8:45AM
Violet :-)
TLP| 9.19.12 @ 9:03AM
Please stop with the back and forths with this Puke MFer.
IGNORE HIM!
You're Mucking Up the whole page.
I'm not singling out you, B.G.
Von Mises Jr| 9.19.12 @ 11:15AM
I agree TLP. Caliban is being paid to be a nuisance. Do not help him succeed.
I do not discourage a well placed insult or some mockery. But do not argue with the POS trolls.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 6:58PM
Apparently, there are far more intelligent and civil people on here than you will ever be. Your string of expletives just proves your low I.Q. and inability to articulate anything but crap.
Ken (Old Texican)| 9.19.12 @ 9:03AM
Pete,
I'm going to go astep further regarding placing unarmed Marnes in harm's way and then broadcasting it to the world.
It was an absoute disgrace, and also a demonstration of Obama's disdain for throw away expendables in uniform.
(heh) but Marines being Marines I' m guessing that most of them sneaked in at least a pocket full of ammo.
KennesawJack| 9.19.12 @ 9:49AM
Obanarx's view of the military is informed by the Clinton's. Remember Billy boy's "I loathe the military."?
Alan Obama Fan Brooks | 9.19.12 @ 5:10PM
Since romney is a Rockefeller liberal, he is only bluffing with his 47 percent talk to gain libertopian votes.
Say Romney wins-- and it is a dead heat-- he will simply revert to compassionate conservatism in substance without the rhetoric.
Nita| 9.23.12 @ 9:00PM
No, he won't! And he is strong on defending Israel!
Ross Kaminsky| 9.19.12 @ 9:01AM
What a ridiculous comment.
Purp, do you remember these stories?
http://rogersparkbench.blogspo.....-nato.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/José_Padilla_(prisoner)
TLP| 9.19.12 @ 9:06AM
Please stop with the back and forths with this Puke.
IGNORE HIM!
You're Mucking Up the whole page.
I'm not singling out you, Kaminsky.
No. Actually I am, cause you should know better.
Ross Kaminsky| 9.19.12 @ 10:27AM
Tim,
My response to Purp is as much for others' consumption as for his. After all, his brain is off.
RGK
Al Adab| 9.19.12 @ 11:21AM
Correct me if I have it wrong but if I understand the situation, Obama lies and gains votes while Romney speaks Truth and is villified. Makes perfect sense in this insane world of leftist/statist thinking. These people vote?
Drunken Sailor| 9.19.12 @ 12:55PM
Al, unfortunately you have the understanding correct. Take solace, you can tell that the left is afraid Mitt's remarks may gain traction by the over the top celebrating.
Odd isn't it that you don't hear a peep about the video of Obama saying he believes in redistribution? Or the fact that Mother Jones is now saying they are missing a few minutes of the entire Romney video.
It is going to be a interesting few weeks. Pray that the country makes the right choice.
Al Adab| 9.19.12 @ 1:58PM
D/S:
If they don't, and I hope FL and Ohio are listening, gasoline will cost more than that Scotch we will need on Nov. 7
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 7:02PM
Uh - the swing to President Obama has started and RomBot simply helps re-elect the President.
Re-distribution? Old news... no impact. Desperation by the Romney campaign.
Nita| 9.23.12 @ 9:03PM
Pray and fast!
TLP| 9.19.12 @ 4:00PM
Joke.
Geez, you're so sensitive, for God's sake.
Anybody's think you had a Dress on.
TLP| 9.19.12 @ 4:04PM
Can we PLEASE have an EDIT APP on this dump of a web site?
You're a Big Shot, Ross.
HELP US OUT!
Ross Kaminsky| 9.19.12 @ 4:24PM
Tim, if you want me to delete a comment (one of yours, not someone else's), let me know and if I'm not too busy I'll do it and then you can re-post what you want.
You can e-mail me directly at rossputin(at)rossputin(dot)com
TLP| 9.19.12 @ 7:38PM
I don't want you to Delete anything.
I think I speak for all of us, when I say that we would Appreciate an Edit Button.
That being said.
I want you to compete in my Contest on Friday.
Go to last Friday's Kengor Column, and check it out.
You won't be sorry.
RSVP. (You know what that means, right?)
C'mon.
Be a Mench.
Occam's Tool| 9.19.12 @ 8:40PM
TLP: you are a mensch, my friend.
By the way, anybody note yet that the guy who led the attack on our ambassador was released from GITMO? Thanks, Libtards!
TLP| 9.20.12 @ 6:06AM
Was that a Joke?
("one of yours, not someone else's"?)
My God, there may be hope for you yet.
Occam's Tool| 9.19.12 @ 8:49PM
Great article, Ross.
TeaPartyNow| 9.19.12 @ 10:43AM
Purp, they did not release it until monday because they just got it authenticated. It's called responsible journalism, something that the people at American Spectator know nothing about. It was reported on forbes dot com, one of the best places for truth in the nation right now.
American Spectator will lie to support Romney no matter what happens. Romney calls 47% of Americans deadbeats that can't be helped to stop living to collect welfare? No problem, double down on that one. The insipid right wing media is doing just that, doubling down on ignorance.
& if people want to tell the truth they all become chicken little "the sky is falling!". Pathetic, more pathetic & ultra pathetic. They are going to have one sore behind when Romney loses to Obama. & then maybe they'll pull their heads out of it.
We can hope, right?
Alan Obama Fan Brooks | 9.19.12 @ 5:37PM
#1 + #2 question for the GOP:
with all the first-rate conservatives in america, why have you run candidates who could be bested by someone in the Peoria Metro phone book picked at random?
And why is the solid candidate at the bottom of the GOP ticket?
Nita| 9.23.12 @ 9:20PM
Romney was speaking at a fundraiser and explaining that he only had a little time left to campaign, so it would be smarter to reach those he'd have more of a chance with at this time, taking into consideration all the false promises Obama and his cohorts have given the 47%. Of course Romney cares about the less fortunate, e.g. check out his large donations to charity.
Occam's Tool| 9.19.12 @ 8:39PM
They already know, Purp. In case you don't get it, here's an equivalent: asking a patient if they are suicidal does NOT plant the suicide idea in their heads.
The Lefties lie, and lie, and lie. Where's the Obama Khalidi tape the LA Times is sitting on, eh?
TLP| 9.19.12 @ 8:37AM
In answer to Darin's question: Why did they wait so long to release this?
Answer: Because that's all they've got.
There's no Whore carrying around his Love Child. There's no Fat Whore saving his Love ick on a Blue Dress for reasons that I can't comprehend. (A little help, Alan?)
He didn't RAPE anyone, MOLEST anyone, GROPE anyone, EXPOSE HIMSELF, or have an 11 Year AFFAIR with anyone, during his first 12 Years of Marriage.
He didn't get his House from Tony Rezko.
He wasn't born to an Atheist Communist and a Marxist Muslim.
He didn't learn his Craft at the feet of Communists, Marxists, Moaists, Anarchists, and Terrorists.
He doesn't think that the Muslim call to prayer is the most beautiful sound in the world.
This Tape is NOTHING. This is just another example of how Stupid they think everyone is.
Everything, everywhere, is falling apart. There is more Carnage going on in the world since this Thing got a Peace Prize, then there's been since WWII.
Our Embassies are being Sacked, our People Sodomized and Murdered. The Middle East is Burning. Israel prepares for the Inevitable Attack on Iran. China is Threatening War against Japan.
Europe is a JOKE. Our Economy is a SICK JOKE. We are thisclose to Breadlines.
Meanwhile, our Do Nothing Mulatto Mr. Cool is on Letterman, making with the Fistbump.
Romney?
He said that 47% of Americans don't pay Income Taxes, so his Lower Taxes Plans won't resonate with them.
And, pointing that out is a Huge Problem how, exactly?
WRTolkas| 9.19.12 @ 9:00AM
Thank you TLP: "Because that's all they've got." We've got a ton of stuff on Barry.
SUBVET| 9.19.12 @ 11:36AM
TLP.......when does the "American Idol" start maybe he will connect with all of his "people" by being a JUDGE.
TLP| 9.19.12 @ 4:08PM
A Judge?
He'll be The Winner.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 7:06PM
Timmy - you are so delusional - nothing new, old news, already baked in by the electorate.
RomBot is new, unproven and failing in his own campaign ... it's only a matter of time now.
There isn't enough money to buy enough lipstick to put enough lipstick on this Corporate PIG!
You can't sell a bad product - and wishing Romney to winning status isn't working.
Have a wonderful day! I am.
TLP| 9.19.12 @ 7:40PM
I bet you are.
Which Bath House are you in, today?
Nita| 9.23.12 @ 10:21PM
Exactly. THANK YOU!
C. Vernon Crisler | 9.19.12 @ 10:33AM
I think Romney was right: 47 percent of Americans ARE worthless hangers on, insouciant to history, bottom-feeding dummkopfs. And that number would go up significantly if we included the press.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 7:07PM
Hahaha - Seniors, Veterans, Students, White working class poor ARE the 47% ... that's why Romney's going down. Once they understand, he's history.
SUBVET| 9.19.12 @ 11:28AM
Ya.........NO SH*T
SUBVET| 9.19.12 @ 11:29AM
Resonse to Darin..........first post.
TLP| 9.19.12 @ 4:09PM
Oh, but for an Edit Button.
My Kingdom for an Edit Button.
Occam's Tool| 9.19.12 @ 8:41PM
TLP: checkout the review button---it allows you to edit.
Von Mises Jr| 9.19.12 @ 11:32AM
The point is simple: we are about to implode and anyone who really needs and deserves the charity, or getting benefits they paid into such as Medicare and Social Security will be SOL.
Social Security Disability Insurance collapses within about six years maximum. SSDI recipients have increased by 73% since 2000 with astronomical increases since 2010 when 99 weeks of unemployment started ending.
Medicare is also going broke within a decade. While Social Security may last until 2037, anyone under 40 will not get one thin dime after paying in an average of $250K to perhaps double throughout their lives in Social Security Taxes.
If we do not stop the wasteful spending and create wealth and productive jobs, those 47% will be eating their damn shoe. Understand?
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 7:09PM
"The sky is falling, the sky is falling - Vote for Me! I'm Mitt Romney, and I've approved this message" - but 47% of you can forget it, let the sky fall on YOU.
Your argument is right out of the 1930s, it didn't work then, it won't work now.
TLP| 9.19.12 @ 7:41PM
The sky IS falling.
Or, hadn't you noticed?
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 10:42PM
Keep believing ... that is soooo inspiring to America.
CJW| 9.19.12 @ 7:52PM
ObamaboyPurpie
Since you have so much free time, answer the following:
1. Michelle got a raise from$100,000 per year to $350,000 per year for her job as "Community Relations Attorney" from the Chicago hospital that got an earmark from Senator Obama. Could this be a variation of the kickback? I would have more respect for her is she just took the cash like Spiro.
2. How about the Obamas getting the house/land paid indirectly by the Chicago crook Tony Rezko?
3. How about Bubba selling a pardon for one million buckc to Denise Rich for her fugitive husband, Mark Rich? You know Eric Holder was involved in those pardons.
4. Obama missing 60% of the presidential daily briefings. You are not stupid enough to say he did not miss those meetings because those meetings did not occur because he failed to attend?
5. Obama not providing security to our embassies and consulate, and Ambassador Stevens get killed.
6. Most of the muslim countries are rioting against us despite (or maybe because) the apologies and appeasement of Obama.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 10:43PM
Nope. Not interested in these right-wing myths.
themillenials| 9.19.12 @ 1:07PM
What's funny is that the best response the GOP can offer is a tape of Obama from 12 years ago...
benny havens| 9.19.12 @ 1:58PM
Apparently you can’t read. Or maybe you just can’t accept the truth. How about reading what TLP has just posted above.
Better yet, do a little research on your own and look at Obama’s record. Oh, I forgot, you lefties can’t do anything on your own.
TLP| 9.19.12 @ 4:21PM
So, what's your point?
Romney told the Truth.
We've got 47% of the people in this Country, paying ZERO in Income Taxes. They are not interested in his Lower Taxes Plan, as they don't pay any as it is.
These are The Muslim's Base.
On the other hand, we've got the Son of an Atheist Communist Whore, and a Marxist Muslim Whore Chaser, who died, Drunk, in a Kenyan Gutter, riddled with AIDS, openly spouting his Socialist Preferences of: To each, according to his Needs. From each, according to his Abilities.
Marxism 101.
I'd call that a pretty good response.
But then, I'm not FCKED IN THE HEAD, like you.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 10:45PM
Half of the 47% are Seniors - you call them losers? Freeloaders?
20% of the 47% are active duty military - you call them moochers?
Get a clue Timmy - it's a losing argument. Romney is collapsing. He might not make it to November - he might pull a Palin and Quit!
Martin kzovich| 9.19.12 @ 6:51AM
Did Romney plant the video so the Communists could record his words which basically show the ideological divide at stake in this election. Romney was brilliant if he did that. The Establishment Republican--cowards all-have tried to hide under their collective covers so as not to offended our dictator in chief. But thanks to the brilliance of Romney or the stupidity of the Communists we have the ideological debate on a silver platter. I watched a video of Cavuto and Romney and I liked what Romney said--I think Romney now has to run it and splain to the takers that if we go over the economic cliff there will be zero,sippo, nada for them.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 8:15AM
In any case, planting a "Dirty Bomb" in an American city is Romney's advice to Iran? Teaching them how to terrorize America - that's a Presidential candidate? It's on this tape and it's disgusting.
He throws Israel under the bus with nothing to be done in the Palestinian issues.
On the tape Romney says the economy will improve if he does "nothing" ... thanks to Obama's policies.
Bob Grant| 9.19.12 @ 8:51AM
Perp (Violet):
Are you watching some other video?
"dirty bomb" "throwing Israel under the bus" "do nothing"
What.the.hell.are.you.talking.about.
TLP| 9.19.12 @ 9:17AM
Evidently, one of his Gay Porn Flicks is stuck in a Loop, and some guy (possibly Alan Brooks) is "Planting a Dirty Bomb" and there's a reference to "Iran", which might mean Ass.
You can use your own imaginations, the rest of the way.
2Anglico| 9.19.12 @ 12:05PM
TLP, THAT was funny!
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 7:10PM
You haven't heard the WHOLE tape, have you? I'll see if I can find a transcript of it.
CJW| 9.19.12 @ 8:52AM
ObamaboyPurpie
The Village Idiot has his daily talking point from DebbieWS.
You are a disgusting stupid liar to claim that Romney advised Iran to plant a dirty bomb.
You blamed Amabassor Stevens for his death, and said Stevens told the three stooges, Moe Obama, Larry Clinton, and Curley Biden that he did not need security so his death is his fault.
Then you said Obama did not miss 60% of the daily presidential briefings because since he did not attend them then there were no briefings to miss.
You are desperate to post this, but then you are a stupid troll who will post whatever you are told for your $10 hour troll job.
You are a stupid, disgusting liar. Idiot. Don't you have any shame?
Ross Kaminsky| 9.19.12 @ 9:07AM
Purp, there's no way you thought of this "advice to Iran" talking point by yourself. I mean, you're full of unsophisticated analysis and silly Dem talking points, but I don't think you're capable of making up something this obtuse by yourself.
Jose Padilla (probably) was looking to set off a dirty bomb in the US a decade ago. Cities in the US already fear a dirty bomb. It's not as if this is a new idea for the terrorists.
A quick Google search shows this sort of language being used on leftist web sites, so it makes sense now.
I have to say that even though I think you're generally wrong, what bothers me more about your "thoughts" is that I don't think you actually have any. Instead, you just go to left-wing sites, see what their chatter is for the moment, and then regurgitate it here.
It's interesting to know that I can just go to your comments here in order to find out what's being said at Huffington Post and elsewhere...saves me some work. But it doesn't say much for you.
CJW| 9.19.12 @ 10:05AM
Ross
Many of us on this site have said that Purpie serves the one useful function of repeating the Obama lefty talking points. We do not have to listen to the MSM or the left wing sites, such as Huff Po-Daily Kos, because Purpie simply repeats the daily drivel. We can then easily swat them away, as is done by everyone here who responds to Purpie. He also uses various names, but the message is always the same.
Ross Kaminsky| 9.19.12 @ 10:29AM
CJW,
So far, I don't see him using multiple names.
For example, I don't believe he and Jack London are the same person.
Drunken Sailor| 9.19.12 @ 11:49AM
Two people maybe, same brain and thought patterns? Definitley.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 7:55PM
Thank you so much - at least you are hearing the other side - and THAT is why I am here. Your side doesn't have all the answers or isn't always correct.
No one on the left is against Capitalism, just the opposite - but Compassionate Capitalism. And, that's where government's role comes into play. To ameliorate the worst abuses Capitalism would run rampant under Laissez-faire.
We don't want Vulture Capitalism where money over people is the goal. We need both, not one or the other.
Drunken Sailor| 9.19.12 @ 11:49AM
Know thy enemy. Purp makes it easy.
Slacker| 9.19.12 @ 1:30PM
The purp I know is a nice strain of marijuana.
spike59| 9.20.12 @ 1:01PM
the purp on THIS site is a strain of gonorrhea
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 7:50PM
You can deny truth all you want, but here's the part where he's giving advice to Iran - You can't make this shit up:
"I mean if I were Iran, if I were Iran-- I mean-- and-- and a crazed fanatic, I'd say, "Let's get a little fissile-- material to Hezbollah and have them carry it to Chicago or some other place. And then if anything goes wrong or America starts acting up, we'll just say, 'And guess what? Unless you stand down, why, we're gonna let off a dirty bomb.'" I mean this-- this is where we have-- where America can be held up and blackmailed by Iran. By the mullahs. By crazy people. So-- so we really don't-- have any option but to keep Iran from having-- a nuclear weapon."
And here's the whole video AND transcript that you'll never get on Fixed News... but from me. you can listen to it yourself:
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_.....marks?lite
THIS is the guy you nominated. A Traitor to the United States. His "Macaca Moment" - You're welcome.
Nick| 9.19.12 @ 8:38PM
You blamed Ambassador Stevens for his own death.
You are a disgusting scumbag, Burp.
Occam's Tool| 9.19.12 @ 8:43PM
Ross: please see my suicidal patient analogy. The "giving them ideas" meme is crap, and they know it.
btims86| 9.19.12 @ 6:58AM
As much as I despise Obama, I think he will win re-election. There are just too many people today who believe in this envy, jealous, class warfare. They have been bred on it in public schools, college and in the media non-stop.
TLP| 9.19.12 @ 8:56AM
Actually, there are just too many people who have been Punched in the face by this Step'n Fetchit Con Man.
Another Coal Mine just Closed its doors.
Every day, Companies are Laying off, Laying low, and getting ready to pack it all up and take it to Asia, depending on the outcome of this Election.
Are there More Stores in the Mall now, or Less? More Jobs in the Want Ads, or Less?
Is the cost of putting Gas in your Car, Oil in your Fuel Tank, and Groceries in your Pantry HIGHER, or Lower?
This guy is worse than Stuck on Stupid. He's Stuck on Singlehandedly Destroying this Country, from the inside.
There is NOTHING going right. And, if given 4 more years?
He WILL "Finish the Job we started".
Which is - Destroying this Country, from within.
Meanwhile, the Secret Service stands by, as the Domestic Enemy - That they are Sworn to Confront - shreds the Constitution, on a Daily Basis, and Strips away our Freedoms, right in front of their noses.
REREAD YOUR OATH!
OBEY YOUR OATH!
The Domestic Enemy is right in front of you!
Stkman| 9.19.12 @ 9:16AM
Excellent post TLP. You are right on target and we should say this often and loud, Obama is the Domestic Enemy!
It isn't just the Secret Service that has allowed this, Congress, mainly the house has been huge in this. From failing to vet the man, to letting him go around Congress and rule by edict. The Joint Chiefs are also liable.
At what point can we, the American people expect our so-called leaders to actually live up to their oathes of office? I say yesterday, and the day before that, and the day before that.................
fmm| 9.19.12 @ 10:13AM
What amazes me is how simple it has been for this administration to coopt the government and turn the USA into a dictatorship. Apparently, all the checks and balances built in by the Constitution have never had any teeth. Guess the statists have been right all long, they were jsut too ignorant to know it.
Stkman| 9.19.12 @ 11:10AM
The Constitution has pleanty of teeth. It's John Boehnor that has no teeth. He all bark and he has to go as does McConnell.
TLP| 9.19.12 @ 4:30PM
If we had a Watchdog Media, like the Founders envisioned, when they put Pen to Paper and came up with the First Amendment, this POS would have Resigned by now.
The Republicans won't act, because they know that the Media would just Pound them in to the dirt.
Look no further than those "Reporters" COLLUDING on the questions they would fire at Romney, for having the Unmitigated Gall, to stand up and call this Spade, a Spade.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 7:57PM
Corporate America owns the media - what, you think they will report all their abuses of America?
TW in SC| 9.19.12 @ 10:39AM
American Airlines just announced it may have to lay off 11,000 workers, though some others say it'll be more like 4,400.
Still, this is the face of US business today. What recovery?
To quote Charlie Brown as he addresses Lucy while she tries to convince him to kick the football, this has been my attitude towards the government and its water-carrying media for years now:
"I don't mind your dishonesty half as much as I mind your opinion of me; You must think I'm stupid."
Indeed, to hear Bite-me, Blow-bama, any of the Schtick Brigade, the US economy is roaring back.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, they've run out of food, water and bullets and the bandits are only yards away. Not to worry, Joe Bite-Me will be there to at least "salve" the day. He'll say something like, "Those bandits don't even exist", or, "There are no bandits, go about your business".
I have to wonder how it came to this, where actual, factual evidence of events are presented before the members of our government and instead of coming up with ways to deal with them, they instead have heavy discussions on how to spin it so they won't look bad.
SUBVET| 9.19.12 @ 11:41AM
BTIMS86............another "cut and run" move what flavor cool-aid today.
John786| 9.19.12 @ 7:13AM
A candidate in the US presidential election calls half of the good folks in America: SCUM. Mr Ross thinks he's done a great Job. The central plank of the right, appears to be Austerity at home, and more (unfounded) wars abroad. You don't have to be Einstein to realise this is not a winning formula. Mr Romney is a turkey: Barring a miracle he will be ready for plucking come November.
Ryan| 9.19.12 @ 8:11AM
So...we ask that people take care of their own here at home?
Do you believe that, with government payments, comes government oversight, and the removal of freedom?
Stkman| 9.19.12 @ 9:21AM
John, thats not what he said. Use facts or shut up. You only spout an opinion never backed up by fact.
Fact, to get a job I have to pee in a cup and pass a drug test.
Fact, to get part of my check all a peron has to do is fill out somepaperwork and claim they are poor. No peeing in a cup, no background check of any kind. No checking to see how many welfare checks already go to the address the claimant writes down. Nothing.
Fact, I have to pay for my kids breakfast and lunch at school. Fact, I don't get a free cell phone. Fact, I don't get more money back from the IRS than I actually paid in. Fact, I expect my children to do well in school and finacially support MY kids. Fact, I only had the number of children I could afford to take care of.
Fact, you are an idiot and a liar.
TLP| 9.19.12 @ 9:37AM
Really?
Maybe you'd be so kind as to point out where Mr. Romney called someone a Scum? He told The Truth, which explains your inability to comprehend him.
49% of Americans Pay NO INCOME TAX.
I know how Stupid you are, so I'll try and explain it so that you - our resident Muslim - can understand.
It's like buying your Neighbor's 9 Year old Daughter, for 2 Goats and a Chicken, but never actually having to pay the Goats or the Chicken.
You get your New Wife, whom you promptly have Sex with, until the day that you see an even better looking 8 Year old, wherebye you have your Buddies RAPE the 9 year old. She is Stoned to Death on Friday and by Monday you're on your Honeymoon with your new 8 Year old Bride, whom you paid No Goats and No Chicken, for.
Life is good, right?
Now, Romney comes along and runs on a platform of Lowering the Cost of 8 and 9 Year olds.
You don't care, because you're ALREADY getting them for free.
Learning is Fun.
KennesawJack| 9.19.12 @ 9:54AM
And meanwhile, Big Sis is stockpiling the ammo. Oh, yeah. Good times are surely on their way if Obmarx gets re-elected.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 7:58PM
Shut up, riot inciter.
Occam's Tool| 9.19.12 @ 8:47PM
Purp: sales of guns and ammo have gone through the roof under Obama.
For example: report on Smith and Wesson stock, purp (I own the stock): http://finance.yahoo.com/news/.....ance.html.
Incidentally, I dated a cousin of Don Seigel for about a year when I was a young man. So, 3 degrees from Eastwood.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 10:46PM
You're gay?
John786| 9.19.12 @ 9:58AM
You pick a turkey as a candidate for the presidential election. But, somehow its my fault. Go figure.
TW in SC| 9.19.12 @ 10:50AM
No John, you made a jack-assian comment that got addressed.
Romney may not be a conservative's idea of the ideal candidate but inasmuch as we don't fall for "hero worship" or false idols as the left does to save us from things like global warming and evil capitalists, we DO recognize that Romney is worlds better than Obama. Obama is a very bad thing for this nation because he despises our way of doing things based on a platform of falsehoods and self-perpetuated, contrived anger. And he's doing everything he knows how to "teach the US a lesson" while simultaneously swelling to rolls of people who take from those of us who work and pay our fair share.
But, even in the microcosm, when a person is punished for doing something they didn't do, and being blamed for things they are not responsible for, they tend to resent the one doing it.
As a side note, if Obama "inherited" a mess from Bush...well, think about the mess he'll inherit if he gets reelected.
You made a dumb statement and it got answered.
Drunken Sailor| 9.19.12 @ 11:53AM
TW, Don't bother. John is the Muslim version of Purp.
TLP| 9.19.12 @ 4:35PM
You're a Dumb@ss.
And, that most DEFINATELY is Your Fault.
Assalakum Fck You.
Butch| 9.19.12 @ 5:17PM
Infidel know,
You have stepped on the toe,
of Abdul Abulbul Amir!
Paul McGrath| 9.19.12 @ 11:05AM
That is probably the funniest, sickest, most disgusting, funniest, revolting, most hilarious comment I've ever seen on here. "Learning is Fun."
Oh man. You are something TLP.
TLP| 9.19.12 @ 4:41PM
Can I assume that you will be there on Friday, for THE CONTEST?
Look for The Contest.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 7:59PM
Don't encourage the low-life. He needs to get a job.
Nick| 9.19.12 @ 8:37PM
You blamed Ambassador Stevens for his own death.
You are a disgusting scumbag, Burp.
junkyard infidel| 9.19.12 @ 12:11PM
he told the truth ! exactly...and for that he will be chastised.
Kelly Staples| 9.19.12 @ 7:15AM
Ross Kaminsky nails it! This election is about those who work for a living versus those who vote for a living. Mitt got "caught" telling the truth. If that upsets the comrades who read Mother Jones, BO's court eunuchs in the pinko press, or compassionate conservatives like Rove, so much the better. Romney/Ryan 2012.
Nick| 9.19.12 @ 7:57AM
Atheism is a pathology.
(Not referring to you, Mr. Kaminsky. Just this twit who keeps disparaging religion every chance he/she gets.)
Dave Williams| 9.19.12 @ 11:15AM
I think you mean me, Nick. So tell me....how is it pathological to believe in science, the ONLY model that explains how the world really works...and NOT pathological to believe that a talking snake convinced a woman who was formerly a rib to eat a fruit which got all of humanity kicked out of paradise? And I could go on and on....nope, sorry, it is religious belief that is the pathology. Want further proof? Look at all the true believers murdering all the other true believers. Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Shinto...they're ALL wrong. And before you start in on supposed atheist murderers, Hitler considered himself a good christian ("Gott mitt uns"), and Stalin spent time as a seminarian.
Nick| 9.19.12 @ 11:51AM
Do you post under both names, Mr. Williams?
If not, you are wrong. I meant Mr./Mrs./Miss Staples, who likes to ignorantly, and repeatedly, post: "Religion is a mental illness."
You were saying?
Also, Hitler DID NOT "consider himself a good [C]hristian." Your knowledge of fairly recent history is severely lacking, I'm afraid. Hitler, and the rest of the nazis, hated Christianity.
So did Stalin. He hated the seminary, and was expelled when he was 20. Did I mention that he, and all marxists, are atheists. They are responsible for the deaths of 100 million people in the 20th century.
Now, I did respond to you, yesterday, when you blathered on about "science" and a "physical universe."
This was my reply:
"Back in the day when humanity was ignorant of science [...]."
When was that, Mr. Williams?
When Roger Bacon, a Catholic monk, was defining what we today call the "scientific method"?
Or, when Nicolaus Copernicus, religiously trained, was proposing the first detailed theory of heliocentrism?
Or, when Louis Pasteur, devout Catholic, was becoming the father of bacteriology?
Or, when Monsignor Georges Lemaître, Catholic priest, was proposing what would become known as the Big Bang theory?
Seek| 9.19.12 @ 6:50PM
Freethinkers usually don't "disparage" religion. They simply are skeptical of its claims -- big difference.
Nick| 9.19.12 @ 8:41PM
Gee, where is Dave Williams, the "proud atheist"?
CJW| 9.19.12 @ 10:04PM
Stalin killed millions because he wanted to impose his commie ideology, as Hitler killed because of his nazi ideology. They were not Christian and did not kill to impose Christian ideas or values.
What is your excuse for Mao, Pol Pot, and the North Koreans? Do you think they attended a seminary also?
Ross Kaminsky| 9.19.12 @ 4:26PM
Don't worry, Nick, I'm used to having my (lack of) religiousness questioned/insulted here, and it doesn't cause me to lose any sleep.
That said, I don't generally insult the religious the way many atheists do.
In fact, on the last radio show I did, I spent some time explaining that I don't think those who believe in creation are stupid even though I don't believe in it. (My response was two creationists calling the show to call me stupid!)
TLP| 9.19.12 @ 4:52PM
Ross.
Contest on Friday.
If you're not too busy getting a Pedicure?
Perhaps you will join us for Boku Laughs, Fun and Frivolity, with Prizes for the Winners, and the Losers, alike.
Friday, Ross.
I will have announcements all over this site.
RSVP.
I'm inviting you to join us Great Unwashed, for some Yucks.
Go to last Friday's Paul Kengor Column, to check it out.
You won't be disappointed.
Nick| 9.19.12 @ 8:36PM
I know that, Mr. Kaminsky.
That is why I wanted to make the distinction very clear.
You, S.E. Cupp, and others I can't think off right now, certainly don't disparage religion.
Thanks to Chris Hitchens, Dawkins, and the other new atheists, it's open season on people of any faith.
Instead of just Christians, who have always been in season, to those on the left.
Mike G| 9.19.12 @ 9:54AM
Yeah! I mean, just who does he think he is? Really! I am so outraged by this politician telling the truth that my blood pressure is off the chart!
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 8:00PM
You better hope that's not true - 51% of people are on some form of government assistance. That's a winning %.
benny havens| 9.19.12 @ 7:29AM
This is so astounding and so obvious that Obama has nothing to run on. His media supporters also have nothing to show why he should be reelected. So they jump on statements made by Romney, that are true, and make it sound as if they have uncovered some underlying evilness.
So then the empty chair shows up on late night TV and says “when you are President, you are the President of all the people.” I presume that includes the 47% that are taking handouts from his goodie-bag.
Since he claims to be President of ALL the people, what has he done in the last four years to strengthen the economy, expand the job market, slow down the growth of government or taken an interest in the cost of living for the remaining 53% of the population?
TLP| 9.19.12 @ 4:55PM
The problem you're having, is that you're looking at this from the wrong angle.
He IS the President of all the People.
He wants all of us on our knees, with our hands out.
He wants all of us to be The Black Community.
I hope that helps you.
Jack London| 9.19.12 @ 8:02AM
I wondered how AmSpec would spin this disaster for Romney – and of course it's to attack the poor and disabled even more.
The truth about the 47% is that many have been taken out of federal income tax by GOP policies and tax cuts; many pay more other taxes by % than Romney; many are on social security. Only a minority are unemployed. And there are more of the 47% in red states by % than blue states.
Ryan| 9.19.12 @ 8:13AM
It's not an attack - it's a political reality.
It's also the idea that the "47%" are more limited in their freedoms by government than many of the rest of us.
They are not freed by government handouts. They are freed when government removes their hand and we see that we are responsible for our own well-being.
Jack London| 9.19.12 @ 9:06AM
If by handouts you mean the Earned Income Tax Credit and the Child Tax Credit – both passed with bipartisan support – there's much evidence that they help poorer people out of poverty.
Stkman| 9.19.12 @ 9:24AM
Jack,
Even you will have to admit there are those who have actually had more children just to get more benefits from the government. I'm not saying all, or even a majority or close to it, but there are some. Would you agree with that?
Jack London| 9.19.12 @ 12:12PM
Unless you can cite some research on this it's not a useful comment.
Drunken Sailor| 9.19.12 @ 12:57PM
This from a guy who rarely cites anything he post and when he does it is from a far left site.
Jack, your priceless.
Warrior| 9.19.12 @ 4:25PM
I usually agree with you DS. If you would replace the word priceless with worthless. We are good.
TLP| 9.19.12 @ 4:57PM
Contest on Friday.
Stkman| 9.19.12 @ 3:00PM
Jack,
Whats good for the goose is good for tha gander. Why don't you find something that says no fraud is EVER committed is government social programs.
You're a typical liberal. When you don't have the facts you run or try to change the course of the conversation.
Since you asked for a fact, I'll give you one. It's only one but I'm sure it's one of thousands. Remeber that young lady from Michigan who won the lottery, yet continued to get her welfare checks. Enough said!
Jack London| 9.19.12 @ 3:54PM
You didn't mention fraud. You said people are having children purely to claim benefits - where is your evidence? A child is not fraud.
Fraud is committed in all walks of life and must be punished - on Wall Street down to Michigan.
Stkman| 9.19.12 @ 5:45PM
Jack,
My evidence is that you are a fraud and your mother had you to collect a check.
TLP| 9.19.12 @ 4:57PM
Contest on Friday.
TLP| 9.19.12 @ 4:59PM
That was for Stkman.
FCK YOU.
That was for Jackass from London.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 8:02PM
Yes, passed by Gerald Ford and extended by Ronald Reagan - those socialists!
Nick| 9.19.12 @ 8:31PM
You blamed Ambassador Stevens for his own deatH.
You are a disgusting scumbag, Burp.
Bob Grant| 9.19.12 @ 8:57AM
Hack,
He didn't "attack" anyone on the video. He was discussion strategy with heavy hitting donors.
G*d only knows what obama discusses with HIS donors.
And speaking of "secret videos", when is the Los Angeles Times going to release obama's Khalidi Bash Tape?
KennesawJack| 9.19.12 @ 10:21AM
Thanks, B. G. Forgot about that. I'm sure if you drop a quick email to Tingles, in the interest of fairness, he'll get right on getting that released for all of us to hear.
TLP| 9.19.12 @ 5:00PM
EXACTLY.
Contest on Friday B.G.
Mike G| 9.19.12 @ 9:57AM
What's to spin? All he said was that the 47% who don't pay taxes are not going to change their votes in order to get a tax cut. If they pay no taxes, it impossible to cut their taxes. That is all Romney said!
George S| 9.19.12 @ 10:39AM
As usual, you obfuscate. The federal income tax rates are (single filer):
10%: $0 – $8,700
15%: $8,700 – $35,350
25%: $35,350 – $85,650
28%: $85,650 – $178,650
33%: $178,650 – $388,350
35%: Over $388,350
There is no truth to the statement that "many have been taken out of federal income tax by GOP policies and tax cuts" because you owe at least 10% regardless of income.
The reason is that people do not pay taxes is the earned income tax credit, tax credit, tax deduction and exemptions. These are written into law by Democrats whenever there is a tax cut. Why? Because the non-payers need to get something (something!) from a tax cut (or else why bother voting Democrat?).
But, Jack, I will agree that Romney should backtrack for only those non-payers living on social security who have no intention on voting Obama. Other than that, he is correct -- too many people have... what's that hipster expression... No Skin In The Game?
Jack London| 9.19.12 @ 12:05PM
The tax credits are supported by the GOP, George. If we eliminated them we'd plunge millions into even more poverty. As for 'skin', most working people already have payroll tax.
Of the 47% not liable for federal income tax:
28.3% (this is out of the 100%) pay payroll tax
10.3% are seniors
6.9% are non-elderly with income under $20,000
Jack London| 9.19.12 @ 12:15PM
And is GW Bush who boasted about taking 5m 'off the rolls' with his tax cuts
George S| 9.19.12 @ 5:34PM
The 6.9% of non-elderly with income under $20,000 are subject to either a 10 or 15% tax per the table above. Why they do not pay federal taxes has nothing to do with tax cuts.
The 10.3% of seniors have a tax liability on social security. Why they do not pay federal taxes has nothing to do with tax cuts.
The 28.3% who pay payroll tax have that refunded. Hence they pay nothing. Why they do not pay federal taxes has nothing to do with tax cuts.
Tax credits and deductions rob the federal government of revenue. Earned income tax credits rob one taxpayer to give to another non-taxpayer. That is why those 47% may pay taxes but wind up not paying anything. And that's why it's Liberal double speak to say they do in fact pay taxes. A more accurate statement is they loan the federal government an amount equal to their payroll taxes interest free for one year.
Tax credits et al are supported by Republicans. So what?
Drunken Sailor| 9.19.12 @ 12:03PM
Would this be the same Romney video that Mother Jones is now saying let out a few minutes of tape? Has to be, I know your not referring to the tape of Obama saying he agrees with redistribution because the lefty sites are hiding it.
Romney may have gotten the percentages wrong but he nailed the concept. Now we will see if America wants a goverment that does more for them or less.
Joellen| 9.19.12 @ 8:07AM
Now is the time Governor Romney and Rep. Ryan - stay strong in your message and do not allow the media to dictate the narrative. Stay strong on your message that the majority of Americans do not want a government dependent people. If you hold the narrative - you will win the election. I repeat and I am sure many people on this site will agree with me - DO NOT let the media run your election.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 8:21AM
On the tape, Romney says planting a "Dirty Bomb" in an American city is Romney's advice to Iran? Teaching them how to terrorize America - that's a Presidential candidate? It's on this tape and it's disgusting.
He throws Israel under the bus with nothing to be done in the Palestinian issues. So forget Israel, it's their problem.
On the tape Romney says the economy will improve if he does "nothing" ... thanks to Obama's policies.
47% of the population that pays no federal income tax are made up of mostly Seniors, White working class poor people, Veterans, and Students - THESE are all MOOCHERs, Freeloaders and VICTIMs?
This is what this guy really thinks, to his wealthy friends, and he wants America to trust him?
What a jerk.
I agree with Bill Kristol - he's arrogant and stupid.
Most of us pay more income tax than Mitty does, and he's the height of plutocracy - looking down on the rest of us - in his own words. He really is Mitt the Twit. Buh-bye., Willard.
Nick| 9.19.12 @ 8:55AM
During the past week, Burp has TWICE blamed the late Ambassador Stevens for his own death, the death of 3 other Americans, and the attack on the Libyan consulate because they didn't apologize to a Moslem hit squad for the American right to free-speech.
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Purp| 9.12.12 @ 4:16PM
"Correct - the Embassy in Cairo released that message BEFORE there was any violence. Obama knew nothing about it - but they were worried for their lives and tried to calm things down.
"Smart, since they didn't get burned down like what happened in Libya."
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Purp| 9.18.12 @ 7:57PM
"While the whole right-wing wants to jump on the President or Secretary Clinton for the Libyan security situation - why are they not giving the Ambassador on the ground - Stevens - his due as the responsible U.S. Official in Libya in charge of the legation and for his own security and security of others?"
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You are a disgusting scumbag, Burp.
Jack London| 9.19.12 @ 9:16AM
The Benghazi consulate was hit with RPGs that set it on fire – it may well not have survived a higher level of security. You are trying to make a political point but there is no evidence that the security was determined by anything other than what would be usual under any administration. However, I agree that post-Arab Spring is a new world and there has obviously been a major misjudgment.
Stkman| 9.19.12 @ 9:27AM
Jack and Purp.
The Lybian government has been pretty adamant that this was a planned attack. They have also been adamant that they warned the U.S. government three days prior to the attack. Please get caught up with the facts. Even yesterday the administration started changing their story.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 8:04PM
I never said it wasn't planned ... Of course it was planned - but the protesters were spontaneous. They were used as cover by militants with riot gear and RPGs to attack. What is so damn hard to understand about that?
Nick| 9.19.12 @ 9:30AM
Ambassador Stevens had NO security, Jack'o.
Keep burying your head in the sand, defending the Apologist-in-Chief's cover-up, rather than worrying about the KILLING OF FOUR AMERICANS.
Do you know how many ambassadors had been killed by terrorists prior to Chris Stevens, Jack'o?
Five. That was from 1968 - 1979.
This is the Foodstamp President's legacy. He apologized to the Moslem world, and it resulted in the first assassination of a U.S. Ambassador since 1979.
But, hey, at least he was able to go on Letterman last night and hang out with Jay-Z & Beyonce. While U.S. embassies around the world wonder if they will suffer the same fate as those in Benghazi.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 8:06PM
Nicky - Who is in charge of the Embassy in a country? Who decides what is or isn't done in the Embassy?
It is the Ambassador. He loved Libya, he miscalculated and tragically is dead.
But, why would a President bother appointing an Ambassador if you're not going to listen to his advice. He felt safe and didn't seem to think heavy security was needed.
Sadly, we can't ask the Ambassador himself - but that was his job.
Nick| 9.19.12 @ 8:30PM
You blamed Ambassador Stevens for his own death THREE TIMES, NOW.
You are a disgusting scumbag, Burp.
CJW| 9.19.12 @ 10:09PM
Obamaboy
There you go again. Lying and blaming Stevens for his death.
Lying that Stevens told the three stooges, Moe Obama, Larry Clinton, and Curley Biden that he did not need security?
Obama was too busy fundraising, playing golf, preparing for Letterman, and partying with Beyonce to pick up 4 million. He did not have time for any security issues at our embassies, or to protect Americans.
You are a scumbag liar.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 10:49PM
Say it all you want ... Ambassador is the boss. If he wanted more security, he'd have had it. It sure isn't the President's fault. YOU jumped and blamed the Ambassador for his own death, not me. Twist all you want. He was the boss, and he is now dead. As if you care.
George S| 9.19.12 @ 10:22AM
The point is that Obama & Company had been warned of a specific action on a specific target, but Superman does not attend security briefings because of his extraordinary intelligence consumin' skills.
Contrast that to a presidential daily briefing that incorporates a CYA generalization that Bin Laden may do this or that at some point in the future. Or not. Depends. Ergo, a left wing de facto indictment of Bush's incompetence whereas Obama got our back.
Jack London| 9.19.12 @ 11:55AM
"The point is that Obama & Company had been warned of a specific action on a specific target"
Really? Do you have a source for this other than newspaper stories?
Drunken Sailor| 9.19.12 @ 1:47PM
How about the Obama administration finally admitting it. Dumbass
http://thecable.foreignpolicy......ist_attack
Jack London| 9.19.12 @ 2:24PM
Nothing there that says advanced warning of RPG attacks etc were known.
Nick| 9.19.12 @ 2:31PM
Oh, so now, U.S. intelligence has to be clairvoyant, Jack'o?
How far will you liberals go to protect this cover-up?
How long will you stick your heads in the sand?
Jack London| 9.19.12 @ 3:55PM
I thought you were saying they knew the attack was coming. Make up your mind.
Nick| 9.19.12 @ 8:27PM
Not how, brainiac!
And, it was a warning of an increased threat (it was September 11th, dope) and next to NO security in place.
This kind of incompetence is criminal, Jack'o.
TLP| 9.19.12 @ 5:02PM
Yeah.
The PRESIDENT OF LIBYA.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 8:07PM
And, by blaming Obama & Company, you are blaming the Ambassador himself, right? Who else is in command of the Embassy, if not the Ambassador? Your dog won't hunt, blaming the President.
KennesawJack| 9.19.12 @ 10:23AM
This is a new low, even for Purp. Libs simply have no shame.
CJW| 9.19.12 @ 1:24PM
K Jack
Purp will hit a new low tomorrow, and every day thereafter, because Purpie simply posts the Obama lefty line of the day. We have low expectations for the Purps.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 8:09PM
Truth is truth. I don't care if you don't like it.
Louis Jenkins| 9.19.12 @ 9:13AM
Be honest Purp, Iran has already thought about the dirty bomb and may do it, with or without Romney's advice.
bison cookie| 9.19.12 @ 8:32AM
THE LIBERAL LEFTIST MEDIA IS FOCUSING ON A FEW WORDS FROM ROMNEY WHILE IGNORING THE BIG PICTURE FROM OBAMA. What does it say about your national security when your president was raised in the Muslim faith and his chief of staff was born in Iran. Given that the Muslim Brotherhood is an avowed enemy of “Big Satan” (The United States) and “Little Satan” (Israel), can two people at the top of the government of the United States with close ties to our enemies, really provide for national security?... READ MORE: http://bwcentral.org/2012/09/t...
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 8:34AM
This President has already proven his worth - that's why. Romney is going down in flames and you all know it. Just read the Wall Street Journal, don't have to believe me.
Joellen| 9.19.12 @ 9:10AM
This president has already proven his worth - Yes Perp on this you are right - he has proven that he is the most USEFUL PAWN in his destruction of the Republic; and you Perp are his useful idiot aide. I dont believe you - I believe in America. I believe like the folks who came out in support of Dan Cathy and Chic-fa-a, good Americans will come out on Nov 6th and put this caricature of a president out to pasture. Will the dems cheat and try to steal the election - you betcha - but I know in my heart - GOODNESS wins. BTW, On September 28th we begin a 40 day pray/fast to humble ourselves to ABBA FATHER and ask that he take this country and place it on the right road. Please, all who acknowledge this war between good and evil, join us in this endeavor of prayer.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 8:09PM
Blah, blah, blah.
Jrk| 9.19.12 @ 9:24AM
Explain to me how he has proven his worth Penis?
TLP| 9.19.12 @ 5:04PM
FINALLY, you got one right.
"This President has already proven his worth."
Yeah.
HE'S WORTHLESS.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 8:10PM
50% of the population disagrees with you ... only .1% more and your done.
CJW| 9.19.12 @ 10:12PM
You blamed Ambassador Stevens for his own death, Burp.
You are a disgusting scumbag.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 10:49PM
Wheeeee... so what?
CJW| 9.19.12 @ 10:12PM
You blamed Ambassador Stevens for his own death, Burp.
You are a disgusting scumbag.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 10:50PM
You're still losing ... ain't ya?
Pecos Pete| 9.19.12 @ 8:33AM
The Village Idiots will try to spin the Romney Secret Tape into a diatribe about Israel and Islam. That's all they have on their minds now. Forget the massive unemployment and public debt of $16 trillion + and $100 trillion + unfunded liabilities, It is okay for the USA's debt to be downgraded, or even for the USA to soon be bankrupt. The Village Idiots want to change the focus away from Obama's failures.
The truth is that those living off of the rest of us will vote for King O, just as Romney stated/implied. They, the welfare kings and queens along with the Village Idiots, want more freebies for the down trodden, the people who have been disenfranchised by Voter ID, beaten up by non union workers, and fired by filthy corporate executives who want more profit for themselves. Etc.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 8:35AM
Village Idiots? Wow, what a great description of the Republican House of Representatives!
On the tape, Romney says planting a "Dirty Bomb" in an American city is Romney's advice to Iran? Teaching them how to terrorize America - that's a Presidential candidate? It's on this tape and it's disgusting.
He throws Israel under the bus with nothing to be done in the Palestinian issues. So forget Israel, it's their problem.
On the tape Romney says the economy will improve if he does "nothing" ... thanks to Obama's policies.
47% of the population that pays no federal income tax are made up of mostly Seniors, White working class poor people, Veterans, and Students - THESE are all MOOCHERs, Freeloaders and VICTIMs?
This is what this guy really thinks, to his wealthy friends, and he wants America to trust him?
What a jerk.
I agree with Bill Kristol - he's arrogant and stupid.
Most of us pay more income tax than Mitty does, and he's the height of plutocracy - looking down on the rest of us - in his own words. He really is Mitt the Twit. Buh-bye., Willard.
Nick| 9.19.12 @ 8:57AM
You blamed Ambassador Stevens for his own death, Burp.
You are a disgusting scumbag.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 8:11PM
He was in charge ... but you want to blame the President - sorry, nobody's that stupid - well, except you.
Nick| 9.19.12 @ 8:23PM
Ever heard the expression, "The buck stops here"? A democrat said it.
You blamed Ambassador Stevens for his own death, Burp.
You are a disgusting scumbag.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 10:52PM
It ain't working Nicky - you're losing and Romney is collapsing. Even Rush Loudmouth is upset.
It's what you get when you nominate a non-conservative to carry the conservative banner.
Maybe you'll learn and nominate a true right winger next time. But I doubt it.
spike59| 9.20.12 @ 12:56PM
"You blamed Ambassador Stevens for his own death, Burp.
You are a disgusting scumbag."
thanks, Nick...it needs to be said, as often as possible
Jrk| 9.19.12 @ 9:26AM
There you go again Penis being a complete asshole.
Nick| 9.19.12 @ 9:18AM
There is a very good reason that the Founding Generation only gave suffrage, in the several States, to land owners: They knew their history, that's why.
They had classical educations, and had read ancient authors, like Cicero. They knew that the history of all democracies ends with the "takers" voting to take the wealth of the "makers."
First, they take it from the public treasury. Eventually, they decide to take it directly from the rich, by seizing their lands and other property.
It is a pattern repeated over and over again, in ancient Greece and Rome. The next step is chaos, and then the clamor of the people for a leader (read: dictator) to save them.
In 1790's France and 1920's Germany, this process took around a decade to complete. With terrible results.
Is America doomed to repeat history?
Pecos Pete| 9.19.12 @ 10:14AM
Nick: Right on! Think in modern times about Rhodesia and South Africa. Elect Obama and suffer the disaster of a failed republic.
Nick| 9.19.12 @ 11:55AM
Thanks, Pecos Pete.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 8:12PM
Sad, you think so little of America...
CJW| 9.19.12 @ 10:12PM
You blamed Ambassador Stevens for his own death, Burp.
You are a disgusting scumbag.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 10:52PM
Still losing - even in Fox News polls... whoopsie.
Louis Jenkins| 9.19.12 @ 9:21AM
Romney, you said it, now own up to it. It's as good of position as what you've said in the past, and if the Democrats get their feelings hurt, or become vengeful, tell them to take a hike. In many respects we feel the way you do. In fact, just tell them no! No more free rides on disability, no more free rides on health insurance, no more free rides on EBT cards, no more free cell phones, no more ..... Basically, we are sick of the free riders. This nation has a group who haven't invested a single iota of sweat, of labor, into the American system. All led by the Liar n Chief, who himself is the chief freeloaders. Never had a gainful day of employment in his life. Turn the tables Mitt, wear the crown proudly.
Martin kzovich| 9.19.12 @ 9:22AM
Purp is an idiot. Why bother. He is of the 20% of the 47% that Romney refers to and not even worth trying to debate.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 8:12PM
Coward ... you can't that's why.
Ken (Old Texican)| 9.19.12 @ 9:28AM
Fascinatingly enough, Romney was PRECISELY CORRECT about merly doing nothing and seeing an improvement.
He will actually do a LOT of things, like firing czars and their bureacracies, chopping the EPA down to size to mention a couple of biggies along with Obamacare.
Win or lose, Romney has drawn the lines about what kind of countr y we will have.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 8:14PM
He will do nothing about Israel, Iran or the Economy. He just wants to be President.
If he snookers enough of you, he might win - but after this videotape, even people who would vote for him are turning against him.
He's a useful idiot helping to re-elect the President.
Peggy Noonan is right - it's time for an intervention and get rid of Romney.
CJW| 9.19.12 @ 10:11PM
You blamed Ambassador Stevens for his own death, Burp.
You are a disgusting scumbag.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 10:53PM
Losing.
Stkman| 9.19.12 @ 9:41AM
An open letter to Purp and those like him.
Purp, writers here have been trying to tell you that our country isin grave danger of collapse. Yet, you refuse to give an inch or accept any facts given to you. You continue to blindly support an administration that is hellbent on destroying this nation. If the United States falls, so will the Western World. The Muslims will take over Europe and the Chinese will fill the vacuum in Asia. It will happen more quickly than any of us can imagine.
Here in the United States there will be great turmoil and great change. There will be a civil war and revolution both at the same time.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 8:18PM
Thomas Jefferson, and I paraphrase, said a revolution every so often is a good thing - so what's the problem? How else to we get rid of them all and start over.
You think I am an Obamabot - I am not. But he is lightyears ahead of the Corporatocracy Romney offers.
It was the partnership between Government and Business that made this country great - along with the work ethic, resiliency and strength of the American people.
Business can't do it alone - Romney's way.
Government can't do it alone - Socialism
Business and Government together CAN do it - Obama's way.
CJW| 9.19.12 @ 10:13PM
You blamed Ambassador Stevens for his own death, Burp.
You are a disgusting scumbag.
Obama is not responsible for anything. Blame others.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 10:53PM
Losing....
Stkman| 9.19.12 @ 9:41AM
Purp, we won't forget you and those like you. Your side is a small but loud, lying, do anything to win minority that would rather bring this country down than not have your way. You may get your wish. But there will be retribution on you, and those like you. We will look for you, and those like you. We will find you, and those like you.
You see, you seem to think this is all fun and games. You have no clue what life is really about. You've been to busy hating to be productive in life. You've been to busy hating to think of someone else's well being, or the well being of the next generation. Your idea to combat the rich and corporations that take jobs overseas is to destroy everything and start over. There is no starting over without first destroying. It's called change, but you don't understand the concept.
Go think long and hard about what the things you wish for and how you wish for those things to happen. But first I would suggest you find a good hiding place.
Dave Williams| 9.19.12 @ 11:17AM
Asking Purp the Twerp to THINK??? Good luck with that....
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 8:22PM
I would say the same about the far right wing ... so what?
I work, have a business, take care of my family, pay more taxes than Romney does (the little we know about that is), served in the Air Force, and love America and Americans.
On Duty Military don't pay ANY Federal Income taxes and they are in the 47% Romney just degraded and condescended to and he's a disgusting pos.
He doesn't deserve to be Commander-in-Chief ... regardless of the economy. America will be just fine without him and his Vulture Capitalism. He could do more harm than good.
fmm| 9.19.12 @ 10:16AM
The over reaction by the left says it all - Mitt was exactly right.
Who Knows?| 9.19.12 @ 11:09AM
When I saw the headline about Romney’s 47% “flub” on Drudge, my immediate thought was, FAR OUT! Finally, he’s flat out going to tell the truth, and he IS a conservative, forced to come out of the closet.
And, now, about King Obama---Thomas More’s “Utopia”, written in 1515!!!, fell into my hands, and I have a quote pertaining to BHO---
“..a king can never have enough money, since he has to maintain his army; a king can never do anything unjustly even if he wants to; all property belongs to the king, even the very persons of his subjects; no man has any other property than what the king out of his goodness thinks fit to leave him; the king should leave him as little as possible, as if it were to his advantage that his people should have neither riches nor liberty. For wealth and freedom make men less submissive to a cruel and unjust rule, whereas poverty dulls them, makes them patient, and bears down and breaks that spirit which might otherwise dispose them to rebel.”
Obama’s “army”, of course, is the bureaucrats who rule his realm, NOT the actual military.
“poverty dulls them”! “breaks the spirit”!
Who Knows?| 9.19.12 @ 11:23AM
The next paragraph---
“Now what if after this advice was given, I should get up and assert that such counsel was both dishonorable and ruinous to a king? And that both his honor and his safety consisted more in his people’s wealth than his own. Suppose that I should maintain that men choose a king not for his sake, but for theirs, that by his care and efforts they may live comfortably and safely. And that therefore a prince ought to take more care of his people’s happiness than his own, as a shepard ought to take more care of his flock than of himself. Certainly it is wrong to think that the poverty of the people is a safeguard of public peace. Who quarrel more than beggars do? Who long for change more than the dissatisfied? Or who rushes in to create disorders with such desperate boldness as the man who has nothing to lose and everything to gain? If a king is so hated and scorned by his subjects that he can rule only by insults, ill-usage, confiscation and impoverishment, it would certainly be better for him to quit his kingdom than to keep the name of authority when he has lost the majesty of kingship through misrule. It is less befitting the dignity of a king to reign over beggars than over rich and happy subjects. When a king enjoys wealth and pleasure while all about him are grieving and groaning, he acts as a jailor rather than as a king.”
Kingofthenet| 9.19.12 @ 11:13AM
Mitt just 13% less and you too can join the 47%, you can do it Bro!
Kingofthenet| 9.19.12 @ 11:15AM
Wait I have been informed you may ALREADY have reached Nirvana of the 47%...let me see the last 5 years of your Tax Returns.
MelvinNC| 9.19.12 @ 11:31AM
People, this isn't some video game, where we all get do-overs. We are being attacked from the inside and the outside. Real people are dying, and real people are suffering.
I for one, is sick and damn tired, of the bullshit games our government is playing with human lives as if they were cannon fodder for Bill and Belinda Gates Eugenics philosophy.
This isn't just one political party, it's both of them. Not once in the last generation have I heard the utterance of good, honest minimalist government. When a person or a group suggests so, they are denigrated, and destroyed.
How many times have we heard the utterances of the word, "POWER," this is not the word of a republic with a representative form of government. "Power," is the term of Socialism.
Our government is broken. And it is broken to the point of where those in the world murder indiscriminately, and as much as I hate to admit this maybe we(United States) are as well.
Ever since the United States has moved away as a government ran by the people and turned into a Crony-Capitalist type of Socialism styled government the breakdown of society began as well.
Asia is getting ready to explode, The Mideast is already on fire, Russian submarines on month long tours in the Gulf of Mexico, Russian Aircraft routinely violate Alaskan airspace.
And there are Americans who gleefully spew their happiness that the United States is on it's knees and is now bowing before the world.
MelvinNC| 9.19.12 @ 11:35AM
For you little pricks that are masturbating that this Country is being cowed and being punished, I have just one reply.
Fuc# You, I am an American Citizen, I don't bow for no damn body. And any bullshit politican that does, doesn't speak for me and millions of other Americans.
If you don't like this Country, then take your sorry ass out, to some other socialist or fascist country to your liking.
Paladian| 9.19.12 @ 11:32AM
Where is Romney?
What are his plans for economic recovery?
The man is losing ground at the speed of light, and Obama is on the rise.
Romney, if he does not make drastic efforts to state his case for why he would make a better president, will lose the election.
To me, it looks like he has already lost it. I believe that by the time November gets here Obama will be fully in the lead--waaaay out in front.
And with the big O's re-election, comes more welfare giveouts, more reckless spending on government programs for the lazy losers seeking entitlements.
CforUS| 9.19.12 @ 2:58PM
This isn't a time to assume anything, but the mainstream media, polls and pundents all said Jimmy was a shoe in over RR at this point in that election.
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 8:23PM
Uh - Romney IS NO RONALD REAGAN ... God what an insult.
CJW| 9.19.12 @ 10:14PM
You blamed Ambassador Stevens for his own death, Burp.
You are a disgusting scumbag.
Obama is not responsible for anything. Blame others
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 10:39PM
Nah, blame the 47% of America - that's SOOOO much better.
Dimitry_Aleksandrovich| 9.19.12 @ 11:39AM
I wonder if anyone collecting unemployment insurance would be consider part of the 47% because I'm sure there are many registered Republicans who had the unfortune of losing their job who are among that number.
Zeppo| 9.19.12 @ 11:59AM
Ross, any chance you could hire on as Mitt's campaign strategist? And turf out that "very good team of extraordinarily experienced, highly successful consultants"? Because I have to agree with Paladian (and Quin): if Romney doesn't get his campaign in gear _now_, he is done.
Kingofthenet| 9.19.12 @ 12:34PM
THE BAD NEWS FOR CONSERVATIVES: Romney hits a new low
THE WORSE NEWS: He hasn't hit bottom yet
Paul McGrath| 9.19.12 @ 12:43PM
On September 1, 2012, under the blog post titled, "Michelle Malkin is a Racist Like Me," by Quin Hillyer, Kingofthenet wrote this:
Kingofthenet| 9.1.12 @ 1:38PM
Michelle practices YELLOW Journalism, I would say the SLANT to her work is obvious. I would not pay even 5 dollar, for her 'work' because it never leaves me with a HAPPY ENDING.
Kingofthenet| 9.19.12 @ 4:18PM
You NeoCons don't understand sarcasm do you?
spike59| 9.20.12 @ 12:54PM
sarcasm???? so, THAT'S what the Left calls racist rants these days?????
Jacob McCandles| 9.19.12 @ 1:22PM
Ross,
I can tell you that at least half of the "disabled" are not. I see them every day, and always ask what their disability is. Depression and back pain are the biggies. "Bulging discs" they say. Well, half of us have bulging disks, it's BS. I like to talk to these folks about how the golf is going, the motorcycling, the gardening. 90% or so of these disabled folks are overweight, and this is the TRUE cause of most of their pain (if they truly have it).
Interestingly, most of the blind people I see are gainfully employed.
tickedoff2012| 9.19.12 @ 2:30PM
I think one thing that people are missing here is that 1-2 minutes are missing between parts 1 and 2. Corn claims that there was an "equipment malfunction" that occurred. How convenient.....
Butch| 9.19.12 @ 5:39PM
Shades of Rosemary Woods and the Watergate tapes.
CforUS| 9.19.12 @ 2:51PM
Another colossal Carter family failure! Jimmy Carter IV, convinced the owner to release it to Mother Earth News. Networks are touting this as a scoop and a member of the Carter family “avenging” the bad rap ole’ Papa has been getting. The die is cast. Jimmy’s legacy as one of the worst presidents ever is a done deal. The problem with the “shameful” video is that most of what was said is absolutely true. Most of the 47% think freedom stands for “free stuff”. The mainstream media is doing everything they can to convince voters that Romney “doesn’t care” about 47% of Americans. This couldn’t be farther from the truth. But rewriting history is what this administration does very well. Their allies and co-conspirators, the mainstream media, make it possible to revise history. Nothing IV can do will change history for those of us alive during his grandfather’s administration. The cold hard facts are clear. Even if you came up with video showing BO stealing candy from a 3 year olds Halloween candy bag, 47% of Americans will still vote for him and not vote for Romney, no matter what he says or does. So he shouldn’t lose sleep over trying to convince them.
KennesawJack| 9.19.12 @ 5:13PM
Ross, did you dump my post? Do I get some kind of prize or something?
Ken (Old Texican)| 9.19.12 @ 5:37PM
Ross,
you really pulled out the trolls with this excellent column. Should Romney win, how will they spend their days? heh?
Purp| 9.19.12 @ 10:54PM
Romney is collapsing under his own mouth.
Indy| 9.19.12 @ 6:47PM
"The release of this video should be like adding octane booster to a tank that was recently and foolishly filled with low-octane, low-quality fuel, now allowing Romney to downshift, step on the gas, and get back into the race."
Ross - spot on, good stuff. Looks like new videos will continue to appear, here's one from 1995 of Obama, I think Dinesh needs to update his movie trailer for 2016, listen closely to the first minute http://hillbuzz.org/the-collec.....dent-27325
Nick| 9.20.12 @ 12:22AM
During the past week, Burp has REPEATEDLY blamed the late Ambassador Stevens for his own death, the death of 3 other Americans, and the attack on the Libyan consulate. He STUPIDLY believes that an ambassador has more power than the president.
Burp will say ANYTHING to help the Foodstamp President cover-up his incompetence.
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Purp| 9.19.12 @ 8:06PM
"Who is in charge of the Embassy in a country? Who decides what is or isn't done in the Embassy?
"It is the Ambassador. He loved Libya, he miscalculated and tragically is dead.
"But, why would a President bother appointing an Ambassador if you're not going to listen to his advice. [...]
"Sadly, we can't ask the Ambassador himself - but that was his job."
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Purp| 9.19.12 @ 10:49PM
"Say it all you want ... Ambassador is the boss. If he wanted more security, he'd have had it. It sure isn't the President's fault. [...] Twist all you want. He was the boss, and he is now dead."
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You KEEP blaming Ambassador Stevens for his own death.
You are a disgusting scumbag, Burp.
gulfcoastcommentary | 9.20.12 @ 6:51AM
What we have is "Representation without Taxation" which may (already) result in a tipping point of voters electing politicians "soft" on gov't redistribution. This is where a flat tax solves several problems. An 18% flat tax on income the poverty line (and no deductions) would mostly solve the budget deficit and make sure everyone has "skin in the game." Please post this comment and my further explanation of this idea in my blog entry at http://gulfcoastcommentary.blo.....ation.html
gulfcoastcommentary | 9.20.12 @ 6:55AM
An 18% flat tax on income above the poverty line (no deductions) would give 3 or 4 percentage points of income tax revenue above a mult-decade average of 14% collection, so with some budget cuts, the deficit would be history. Ok, thanks.