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The Shores of Barbary
They are murderers and, yes, they are Muslim murderers.
When President Jefferson decided to send a naval expedition to Tripoli to rescue American seamen and punish the Barbary pirates, the opposition to him was practical: did we have the naval vessels and if not did we want to raise taxes to pay for them? Did we have allies with whom to embark on such a difficult campaign? Assuming success, what were we supposed to do next to insure the pirates did not lie low, regroup, begin their trade as soon as we looked the other way?
The third president’s answer to the first set of issues was to remind Americans that we already were being taxed due to the lawlessness in the western Mediterranean: the reason our ships were attacked by proto-Islamist terrorists (they justified their criminality with Koranic references, as Jefferson, who studied the Koran, was aware) was that it was lucrative to attack them, steal the goods they carried, and ransom their crews. Admittedly, it could be argued (it was) that spending on the navy was in effect a way to socialize risk, to use an anachronism; no one was forcing merchants to sail along those dangerous routes. But the president did not underestimate the value and importance of free trade to general economic growth. He also was well aware, of course, that a republic that did not defend its citizens would not last long. The slogan “Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute” rallied support for Jefferson’s policy, though Congress remained recalcitrant throughout the years of the Barbary campaigns and the Navy and the nascent Marine Corps were always under-funded. (Which also was a reason for the use of a privateer, a remarkable man named William Eaton, who organized something of a proto-Blackwater, at one point in the campaign.)
The second set of issues Jefferson dealt with by trying to enlist the British and the French in the formation of a “perpetual cruise,” a Mediterranean version of NATO if we want to keep looking for proto-this and proto-that, which would maintain peace and free trade in the region. Our future best allies had other idea, so Jefferson decided on a coalition of the willing avant la lettre and went at it alone. As campaigns go it was not bad, though there was no definitive victory.
You can argue that we should have dealt with the modern pirates of Tripoli a long time ago: the best opportunity probably occurred during President Reagan’s second term, when Moammar Gaddafi sponsored terrorist attacks that killed American servicemen in Germany. Long-range air attacks from USAF bases in England hit the dictator in his lair but did not kill him, while naval air power showed we could handle his Soviet-trained and equipped fighter planes over the Mediterranean. But there was no military follow-up, as for better or worse our policymakers chose the economic sanctions route coupled with diplomatic isolation to contain and, the idea was, eventually bring down the regime. It lasted another quarter century, tyrannizing the several tribal groups who constituted “Libya,” making mischief wherever possible, alternately subverting black African countries by supporting and arming rebels, or trying to buy influence in them with lavish investments or personal gifts to their rulers. Gaddafi presented himself as the successor of Egypt’s Nasser as a pan-Arabist and, when rebuffed by Middle Easterners who neither liked nor trusted him (he tried to kill members of the Saudi royal family), he put in (bought, actually) a claim as king of African kings. A hell of a guy — and he liked athletic and well-endowed women, used them as bodyguards and nurses, regularly fell in love with them, though it was a sicko kind of love, narcissistic and puerile. He was an inveterate, vicious, violent anti-Semite and he hated Berbers, an important minority in Libya, despite the Berber admixtures in his own tribe.
Could’a had him any day, as Willie Nelson says in one of his songs, and if there were quite a few people on his payroll who would have shed a tear, it is unlikely there would have been more than a few diplomatic tut-tuts.
But the Gaddafi problem, like the problem of the Barbary pirates 200 years earlier, was destined to remain emblematic, in its relatively small way, of our problems with what first was called the Orient, later the Near East and the Middle East. We did not understand — our allies disagreed — we disagreed among ourselves — we hesitated between force and reason — we thought, always, the people could be differentiated and separated from their rulers.
The latest version of this particular notion occurred with such buffoonery as to leave one almost speechless. A French bellelettrist who happened to know the wife of the French president convinced the latter that the “people” in Benghazi, the eastern capital of Libya and the center of tribal groups that always had been cut out and persecuted by Gaddafi, were not only in revolt — this was not the first time, and his repressions had been brutal and unforgiving — they were flying the French flag, maybe singing the Marseillaise, though with Italian accents.
There might be very good reasons for finally settling the Gaddafi problem; and using the pretext of a humanitarian intervention, as the dictator prepared to drown the Benghazi revolt in blood, was perfectly legitimate founded on longstanding practice by civilized nations. You cannot do this everywhere — did we ever roll back the Soviet empire? — but when you can, other interests being duly assessed, it is not dishonorable.
Where humanitarian intervention takes on the suspicious coloration of a fig leaf is where it needs to tell itself that the rescued wretched slaves are automatically going to jump to your tune. But then is it really humanitarian intervention, something done for them, or is it a self-serving exercise, an act of vanity that others (young men in uniform) will pay for with their blood? Messrs. Sarkozy, Cameron, and Obama told their own people, and the world, they were doing this purely out of the goodness of their hearts. The Libyans were waiting for a chance to be just like us! How could we turn them down?
Foolish as this was, was it any more so than our notion that the Afghan and Iraqi peoples would all stand up at the sight of our armored columns and clamor for copies of The Federalist Papers? However, Gaddafi was overthrown after nearly a year of civil war in which the easterners, with substantial help from Berber groups in the country’s west, prevailed thanks to American, British, and French support, notably in the air. A squadron from one of the small Gulf emirates flew missions as well. Does it matter which one? The point is obvious: The Arabs could not bring themselves to overthrow a tyrant. Either by his own subjects or by a foreign power. Ten years in Mesopotamia might have taught us that.
As in other countries that experienced a “spring” — the wave began in Tunisia in December 2010 — elections were eventually organized in Libya to give legitimacy to an assembly charged with inventing a new regime, writing a constitution, and getting the electric power back on. The Libyan assembly that was elected this past spring included perhaps more self-described secularists than avowed theocrats than did the ones elected in Libya’s western and eastern neighbors, Tunisia and Egypt. The influence of Islamist agitators, quite overt during the civil war, was not diminished by this political development. With networks, trans-national financial supports, caches of arms, and simplicity of message — Islam is the answer — they could sustain their appeal to a weary people with little confidence in the new regime’s ability to help them in such fundamental areas as security, let alone in the organization of the minimal order required to rebuild the country, found credible institutions, provide a new base for economic activity.
Recent administrations have been, with curious perspicacity, unable or unwilling to grasp the sources and motivations of the Islamic political movement, commonly called Islamism. It is not as if the information to understand it is unavailable or hermetic. “Pan-Islamism” did not begin with the Iranian revolution, as is commonly assumed, any more than Islamic terrorism began with Osama bin Laden. Since the 1920s Islamic scholars and intellectuals have laid out a record of just what they think is wrong with their societies and what can be done to repair them. Activists have shown, in many countries and under varied circumstances, that deeds will follow ideas. The deeds are remarkable by their coherence, committed by people who know exactly what they want.
U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens, murdered alongside three aides in the line of duty, paid the ultimate price in the service of his country. Sadly, he paid the price, too, of administrations and foreign policy establishments unwilling to take the full measure of political Islam. In at least two ways, even our experienced foreign policy officers (Amb. Stevens was on the Libya case at least since the revolt against Gaddafi began) insist on the frankly arrogant notion that Islamic societies can be reformed along Western lines. G.W. Bush, following Woodrow Wilson, thought he was a crusader for democratic self-determination and would be welcomed as such in Iraq. B. H. Obama, following Jimmy Carter, thinks of himself as a champion of human rights, wherein if you remove the obstacles to indigenous self-expression (including Western imperialism), mutual respect will follow and universal peace will be just around the corner. Both found it impossible to conceive that their conceptions of democracy or human rights were of zero interest to Islamist theoreticians and militants. And by corollary, they could not conceive that Islam, or elements within Islam, simply were not amenable to reform as we think of the process. They were, rather, at war.
Whether they were, and are still, at war with us, or with themselves, or with what they take to be noxious, kaffir influences and powers within their own societies, is a question for political scientists or historians — or psychologists. We cannot do much about it. We can, however, stop fooling ourselves. The regimes that we foster in the Islamic world are not what we think they are, or what we want them to be.
About the Author
Roger Kaplan, a Washington-based writer, covers the Middle East and Africa (and tennis) for The American Spectator.
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Aristocat| 9.13.12 @ 6:16AM
From El Rushbo: "There's a time and a place for everything, and today is actually a day to praise Romney for his guts and his courage for coming out, knowing full well what was gonna happen to him, sounding presidential, acting presidential."
Well done, sir.
TLP| 9.13.12 @ 6:55AM
Meanwhile, back at the Ranch?
President Foreign Policy Magic Negro is CAMPAIGNING in Las Vegas, a day after our Embassy in Egypt was Attacked, our Consulate in Benghazi was Set Ablaze, and our Ambassador was SMOTHERED TO DEATH by Hussein's fellow Muslims.
He's Campaigning.
Our Ambassador's body is barely Cold, and he's out Yucking it Up for Cash.
When the Hurricane hit New Orleans, he CAMPAIGNED for 5 Days, before deigning to grace those people with his presence. George Bush was there in 3. I guess the Halfbreed Hates Black People.
And what has been the response of the Slayer of Bin Laden, to these ACTS OF WAR?
He went to Las Vegas to Shuck and Jive and Tap Dance for Money.
President Bojangles is in Las Vegas PERFORMING for da Massa's Money like a Good Boy, while the Lifeless Bodies of MURDERED AMERICANS are brought home to their Grieving Loved Ones.
I would like to offer Condolences myself, to these Families, and send them a Reminder that there is a Special Corner in HELL for this POS MFer and his American Hating Pig of a Wife.
"What does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and Lose his Immortal Soul?"
Indeed.
The Special Corner in Hell reserved for Muslims.
chuck| 9.13.12 @ 7:19AM
We need to fill up that special corner in Hell, and as quick as possible.
DTOM| 9.13.12 @ 8:52AM
And here's why!!!!
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/
They RAPED the Ambassador before they killed him!
We need to call out Obama and Hillary Clinton on this. There should be airstrikes on Libya in fifteen minutes if they do not produce the crew of KIDNAPPER/RAPIST/MURDER/CORPSE DEFILER PERVERTS to American justice in fourteen minutes.
This MUST not go unnoticed!!!!
God save us all!
DO NOT TREAD ON ME!!!
DTOM| 9.13.12 @ 9:02AM
Don't believe me?
Go look here: http://www.tayyar.org/Tayyar/N.....ek-970.htm
Which google translates to:
Sources AFP that "the U.S. ambassador to Libya was raped sexually before killing by gunmen who stormed the embassy building in Benghazi last night to protest against the film is offensive to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)," The sources said that "Ambassador was killed and representation of his body in a manner similar to what happened with Gaddafi, such as murder. "
Translate it with Google by pasting the article into Google translate...
This displays a dirty little secret - the mob apparently raped Kaddafhi, too. This treatment of our Ambassador was payback according to this source.
Remember how Hillary chortled and cackled about Khadafhi's demise - I bet she knew about it.
Khadafhi was an evil, inhuman animal that deserved removal from this world and placement in God's hands for judgement. But not raped and killed! CIVILIZED people and CIVILIZED countries do not countenance RAPE!
DO NOT TREAD ON ME!!!!
megapotamus | 9.13.12 @ 10:31AM
I'm not sure why anyone would doubt this. Sexual depravity and repression is the norm in Islam; radical or otherwise. There is a good case to be made that there is no sex OTHER than rape in Islam, since there is no such thing as Consent, merely Submission. But if this was, as the Libyans say, Khadaffists out for revenge, what does it matter? They chant that they are baby Osamas. Those in the Libyan rump state would do the same or at least demonstrate as much animosity and religious fervor against us or the very few decent reformers in their midst. Could this have been, in part, a rejection of the very idea of reform that Stevens embodied? Did they say, literally, f*ck that?
CJW| 9.13.12 @ 1:02PM
DTOM
The article states Obama has missed the daily briefings since Sept 5, 2012. To busy fundraising and Letterman.
MK48| 9.13.12 @ 2:58PM
Just surfaced on a military blog between solders that the weapons issued had no LIVE AMMO.
Wonder if the 50 troops sent will have real ammo.
Folks.......it's going to worse before November.....flash.......... 11 to 1 QE3.
CJW| 9.13.12 @ 3:48PM
Maybe O will approve of water pistols.
Seek| 9.13.12 @ 1:07PM
There is a reason why the word "barbarian" resembles the proper noun "Barbary." Scratch a Muslim True Believer (virtually all of them) and you will find a barbarian. It's time to take the fight to them, as President Jefferson did over 200 years ago. One wonders what Ron Paul would say.
DTOM| 9.13.12 @ 1:51PM
Jack in Wisconsin has channeled Cong Ron Paul. He'd say "Cut it out, willya - we're running away as fast as we can!"
No doubt about it.
DTOM
Occam's Tool| 9.13.12 @ 8:10PM
Caesar crucified the Pirates who kidnapped him after he was freed, as he had promised---he tracked them down and did it.
We need to kick more ass.
Von Mises Jr| 9.13.12 @ 7:34AM
Obama had to get out of town, TLP. While the Islamist were attacking our Embassy and Consulate, they were shouting "Obama, Obama, we are a billion Osama’s."
The socialist Democrat Party apparently pissed off their Islamist buddies spiking the ball at the Convention.
Obama compares himself to Jefferson (not Perp trolling as Jefferson, but the real man). But Jefferson knew the Barbary Pirates were barbarians. Obama thought they were his soul mates. Surprise, Surprise!
CJW| 9.13.12 @ 7:51AM
Von
The Obama supporters on this site, including the phoney conservatives who cannot bring themselves to vote for Romney, and the MSM appeared desperate yesterday criticizing Romney for pointing out that O is incompetent. Even they realize O is weak, at best, and now everyone sees he is Barack Hussein Carter.
He will now drone kill a couple of Arabs and claim "justice was done." He paid one billion dollars to the Brotherhood in Egyptians and bombed Lybya to get rid of Ghadaffi. They show their appreciation and respect for Obama by attacking us on Setp 11.
TLP| 9.13.12 @ 8:01AM
I compare him to Jefferson, as well.
GEORGE JEFFERSON.
He's got a Big Mouth that's always talking about Himself. He's got a Wife with a Fat @ss, and in real life, he used to like to frequent the Gay Bars, and Bath Houses of Chicago. (Hat Tip - WND)
CJW| 9.13.12 @ 8:08AM
Did you see the story that the film shown at the Dem convention praising our military used Russian ships? Where did they get the pictures of Russian ships and who did the film? The Dems cannot tell the difference between American ships and Russian ships.
Von Mises Jr| 9.13.12 @ 8:32AM
Perhaps it was not an accident, CJW. Barry and Hillary outsourced the defense of our Consulate in Libya to the Islamist. Breitbart site claims there were NO MARINES present to defend out Ambassador and his staff. The security detail told the attackers where he was hiding.
Perhaps he plans to outsource our Navy to Putin if he gets a second term. Maybe that was what he was talking about when he said he could be "more flexible." He is already outsourcing our oil drilling to Brazil. That's what spread the wealth around means.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 9.13.12 @ 9:26AM
TLP;
Weezy was much more pleasant than Michelle.
Mike G| 9.13.12 @ 10:55AM
Speaking of the First Lady's fat rear, did you hear that she thinks the biggest threat to America is obesity? I guess that makes Michelle, Rosie O'Donnell, and Michael Moore our biggest threats.
Seek| 9.13.12 @ 1:08PM
What about Rush Limbaugh? He's not exactly skinny either.
DTOM| 9.13.12 @ 1:53PM
El Rushbo's girth does not even begin to approach the oblate spheroid known as Michael Moore...
DTOM
Suzyqpie| 9.13.12 @ 6:04PM
Check out our Surgeon General. Where the heck has our Surgeon General been for 3yrs 7 mons 23 days?
spike59| 9.14.12 @ 1:19PM
my guess? Golden Corral
KennesawJack| 9.13.12 @ 9:15AM
Von, would never deign to correct you but, they ARE his soulmates. They hate America, he hates America. They hate Christian values, he hates Christian values (think Cardinal Dolan), they hate the notio of individual liberty, he hates the notion of individual liberty, they hate western culture, he hates western culture and, most importantly, they both think the muslim call to prayer is the beautiful sound on earth. No, they are most definetly soul matets.
Von Mises Jr| 9.13.12 @ 10:16AM
You can correct me any time Jack. I don't own the truth. In fact I appreciate when someone finds an inaccuracy since I seek the truth.
Plato taught that "knowledge is virtue." He despised the Sophist since they like Perp used false arguments to try and win specious arguments. They would propose conundrums such as "Is the man who seeks to learn wise or ignorant?" If he is wise then he need not learn since he is already wise, and if he is ignorant, then he is incapable of learning.
You make a good point and I appreciate it my friend.
Cobalt| 9.13.12 @ 11:07AM
"The saddest part of both attacks is they happened and will continue to happen, because the only people who fear Barack Obama are Americans."
William L. Gensert
Suzyqpie| 9.13.12 @ 6:09PM
Tks Cobalt, I read that this AM and needed the reminder. Fathom the travesty of this statement. The citizens of America are the only people who fear Pres 0bama.
Mimi | 9.13.12 @ 7:56AM
OMG Tim......You GOT GUTS!....Classic TLP...we should save this one...priceless! !!
TLP| 9.13.12 @ 8:43AM
No, Mimi.
I have The Truth on my side.
I don't Lie. I don't Cheat. And I don't Steal.
It's really not that hard to do.
The Lord is my Shepherd, I shall not want.....and lo though I walk through the Valley of Death, I shall fear no Evil..........
I am not afraid of The One.
I went through my Crucible, and God has taken care of me ever since.
It's easy to be "Brave" when you know that HE's with you.
I have no reason to
TLP| 9.13.12 @ 8:45AM
Wrong Button.
I have no reason to believe that he has left me.
Be not, Afraid.
TinaB| 9.13.12 @ 1:21PM
Oh how beautiful are the feet of one who brings the Good News to his fellowman. Love you Timmie. The Lord be with you.
TLP| 9.13.12 @ 4:13PM
And, also with you.
Jack in Wi| 9.13.12 @ 8:19AM
Was this Mohammed film another false flag job by the Israeli's, like the attack on theUSS Liberty, the Lavon affair, the bombing of the Iraqi Jews to scare them into coming into Israel and so many many more? Probably! They knew what the result would be or at least hoped it would be. Now their stooges in the media are taking over to push yet more wars. I say the hell with them! Lets protect our troops by bringing them home out of harms way. We have vast energy sources untapped and undeveloped. We don't need the Middle East most of all Israel. It has been a huge distraction and cost ever since it was founded. Let these people figure it out for themselves. They have to learn how to live together. They can do it better without us. Everything we have touched over there since WW2 has turned to manure.
The Arabs need to sell their oil tolive. The Israeli's need real peace and to be accpted in the neighborhood. Without us there maybe it can be accomplished by the people in the region on their own. Either way it is time to come home. We are broke and our troops are sick of endless war for no sane reason.
DTOM| 9.13.12 @ 9:05AM
So Jack, you are with the Islamists on a peaceful middle east final solution?
Their final solution is the one that Hitler tried.
Their so-called religion of peace obtains peace through rape, torture, and murder.
That's what you agree with?
Please clarify your thoughts for us...
DTOM
Drunken Sailor| 9.13.12 @ 11:41AM
Jack,
Did it ever occur to you that this Mohammed film may have actually been done by a Iranian surrogate to provide cover and excuse for the riots with the added benifit (in their eyes) of causing more riots in other locals? That is a well known tactic used by them with Hamas and Hezbollah. Then when retalation occures they play the innocent victim.
Course not. In your world, it is always the evil Jews. You are a sad excuse for a American.
Houdini| 9.13.12 @ 11:45AM
Jack....couple more clozapine, you'll be fine after a long nap.
Philo Vaihinger | 9.14.12 @ 1:50PM
Well, I'm with you, Jack.
Elle| 9.13.12 @ 1:35PM
Amen, Amen, and Amen!
TLP| 9.13.12 @ 6:02PM
I don't get it.
Suzyqpie| 9.13.12 @ 6:19PM
I don't get it either. HTML protocol can find the film maker & source immediately. It's on the internet, it's traceable. Next question, who is not served by the "authors" agenda and provenance?
TLP| 9.13.12 @ 8:48PM
I don't get this one, either.
btims86| 9.13.12 @ 6:57AM
I said it before and I'll say it again. The main problem is Islam, period.
And the main question is, why do we continue to import more and more Muslims into our country, so they build more mosques and establish more Islamic organizations, which are often fronts for radical militants. Why?
DTOM| 9.13.12 @ 9:15AM
Especially at Ground Zero?
One of their favorite mosques was Haghi Sophia - which had been a Greek Orthodox Christian Church for 900 years, then a Roman Catholic Church for 80 years, back to Greek Orthodox, then the Turks turned it into a mosque for 500 years. Which ended 80 years ago when it was turned into a museum as Turkey tried secular society. The Islamists love shoving your losses in your face to demoralize you, their enemy.
Can't we stop all this Ground Zero mosque nonsense?
What is it going to take to get America to see the threat of these Islamist murderers who are trying desperately to rule the damn world?
And dammit Obama is their pal!!!
Don't Tread On Me!
Jack in Wi| 9.13.12 @ 11:06AM
Haggia Sophia was a Catholic Church for about 700 years. Then the Catholics and Orthodox split and it was mostly the most holy Church in Orthodoxy for about 400 years.
Pelleas| 9.13.12 @ 2:55PM
"Especially at Ground Zero?"
Actually, the building in question ( which , only a segment is designated as a place of (Muslim) religious activity) IS NOT ON THE WORLD TRADE CENTER SITE-- but two and a half blocks away, on Park Place---and previously was a clothing store.
( I live 3 blocks from The WTC, as I did , on Sept 11th, 2001)
TLP| 9.13.12 @ 4:23PM
Hey, ASSH*LE.
That Building was HIT on 911 by one of the Jet Engines.
Get it?
Let these MFers put up their Shrine to Satan someplace else.
Preferably, at the nearest Waste Treatment Plant, where it belongs.
Occam's Tool| 9.13.12 @ 8:13PM
Not even within sighting distance of Ground Zero should a Mosque be put up. Pelleas, you are Gay, and these folks want to kill you. What part of crucify Gays don't you understand?
TLP| 9.13.12 @ 8:50PM
The part WITHOUT the Penis.
Right?
Pelleas| 9.13.12 @ 9:01PM
OT:
There is a very large amount of people who work in lower Manhattan ( in the vicinity of The World Trade Center site) who are Muslim.
Believe it or not, some of the victims of the catastrophe on September 11th, 2001, were also Muslims
There is a Stripper-pole-dancer "Gentlemen's Club" , on Park Place--even more "spitting distance" CLOSER to the World Trade Center site, then The Arab Community Center is located-- is that more respectful?
Pelleas| 9.13.12 @ 9:02PM
(continued)
...As for my sexuality-- can the Muslim edicts against it be any more hateful then the ones I read on this site--EVERY DAY- spewed from "Christian" mouths?
I HATE fundlementalist /rabidly "radical" expressions/beliefs of ALL religions, EQUALLY...but/and believe in the RIGHT of ANY religion to "set up shop" where-ever City/community ordinances permit ( the only people who have been rabble -rousing against The Arab Center on Park Place have NOT BEEN from this/my/ neighborhood--nor, for the most part, even from this City-The Community Planning Board of this District--which went through the horrors and devastation of Sept 11th.2001-voted overwhelmingly to permit the site for this usage ( if anypart of the City might have had the right to complain--- this would have been the one...)
I AM NOT "endorsing" radical right -wing Islamic view-points--but, at the same time, the vast majority of normal, every day Muslims-who are my neighbors ( even if only in a work-place way) have the RIGHT to set up their Center, wherever they damn well please.
The Muslim-bashing on this site is mind-boggling OBSCENE ..as is ALL the hatreds , demonstrated HERE, against those who are "different" or "other" than y'all...
rjh| 9.13.12 @ 7:07AM
"The regimes that we foster in the Islamic world are not what we think they are, or what we want them to be."...Please do not include me or many other Americans in your "we". I think that most of us understand what our political class refuses to see.
pogybait| 9.13.12 @ 7:12AM
Perhaps after Obama is defeated he can join Jimmy Carter and build Habitat for Hamas
chuck| 9.13.12 @ 7:22AM
In Kenya, or some other third-world Muslim hell-hole. Habitat is a Christian organization, and Obama hates Christians.
pogybait| 9.13.12 @ 8:41AM
Well Obama could possibly show or teach these freedom fighters how to become nimble footed protesters just like our own Wall Street Occupy protesters instead, who seem to vanish in a thick cloud of tear gas and patchouli and later run off to graffiti public monuments in order to beef up their arrest records as a resume enhancement for future teaching jobs at Berkeley ...now wouldn't that be real hope and change?
DTOM| 9.13.12 @ 9:16AM
I think they wear the patchoulli to de-sensitize them selves to tear gas and B.O. (Not BHO...)
DTOM
megapotamus | 9.13.12 @ 10:25AM
That cloud is not tear gas.
TinaB| 9.13.12 @ 1:25PM
And then they could use Huma's name to sell the whole shebang as Huma's Habitat for Hamas. Hillary should be in there somewhere.
TLP| 9.13.12 @ 4:25PM
And, they could sell Weiners at the Concession Stands.
(I couldn't resist)
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 9.13.12 @ 7:35AM
Romney committed an unacceptable error in today's society as determined by the main stream media. Romney made the mistake of criticizing America's Allah.
Mimi | 9.13.12 @ 8:40AM
It's called Dem/Deception...."O" flubs with the first comment by blaming a anti-muslim movie...Waits hours...Mitt comes out saying all the right things so the co-horts MSMblame Mitt and think we're all stupid ..Alinsky Method on display.
Gomert nailed it on his floor speech...the best he ever gave!
TLP| 9.13.12 @ 4:28PM
"I am sick and tired of this Administration saying that, if you Criticize this Administration, you are, somehow, Unpatriotic."
The Wife of The Rapist - Hillary Clinton.
Indy| 9.13.12 @ 7:45AM
Rep Gohmert is one of the few who gets it, he packs a lot into his floor speech yesterday
http://www.theblaze.com/storie.....or-office/
Kelly Staples| 9.13.12 @ 7:47AM
Religion is a mental illness.
Mimi | 9.13.12 @ 8:32AM
It depends what religion you are talking about.....the one that calls for murder and HATE and chaos...or the one that calls for Love ,Compassion, &LIFE;.
It sure has been a blessing in my long life....To know and love and serveGOD !!!
DTOM| 9.13.12 @ 9:24AM
Mimi,
Dear, Islam is a "so-called religion." It is not a real religion because it concerns itself with the ruling of this world, not the next. Corporal punishment has no place in a true religion.
Islam is a polity, a form of governance, that dons the cloak of religion to fool people and their governments. Nobody wants to hurt a religion - unless of course you're an Islamist. In which case you are commanded to KILL those who won't convert to yours.
That isn't how God works - it's how EVIL men work.
Mimi, you are down with the struggle here, I just want us to be clear on what and who we are fighting...
Carry on...
Don't Tread On Me!
Seek| 9.13.12 @ 1:11PM
Islam most certainly is a religion. And the fact that it looks at the next world, and how Muslims can earn a place in it, is the very essense of the problem we face. Yes, they seek political power. But that is a means to a greater religious end.
Organized religion has a lot to answer for over the centuries. I grant you, Muslims are the worst. But that doesn't give Christians and Jews a free pass either.
TinaB| 9.13.12 @ 1:34PM
Free pass from who, you? Who cares. Certainly not God. He sure doesn't need your pass or anyone else's. You blog, God laughs.
DTOM| 9.13.12 @ 2:19PM
It calls itself a religion. You can call it a religion, if you want.
Abraham Lincoln once observed "If you called a dog's tail a leg, a dog would still have only four legs."
Please show us a religion that:
Prescribes corporal punishment for sins - i.e. assigning to humans the power to judge the behavior of others and physically punish them for it.
Recommends that others be enslaved or killed, if they do not accept the religion.
Identifies the members of other religions as enemies that may be killed at will.
Promote civil arrangements for the provision of courts to judge and punish adherents and NON-ADHERENTS.
This is not a religion- it is a form of government!
They hide behind the religion tag in an effort to give themselves the option of being offended at ANYTHING and permitting themselves to respond to ANYTHING with violence!
DTOM
DTOM| 9.13.12 @ 2:21PM
And any woman who is unaware of what sharia law will do to her is foolishly ignorant...
DTOM
Mimi | 9.13.12 @ 4:46PM
Islam is more Political...Murderers can never be a Religion!
TLP| 9.13.12 @ 9:03AM
So, in Kellybelly's view - Believing in GOD is a Mental Illness, but believing that the Universe just happened due to a single Hydrogen Atom, whose Origin, nobody can explain, makes perfect sense?
God is no different than Science. They both require FAITH.
One has Faith in a Supreme Being that they cannot Prove Exists.
The other Exists on Theories - The Big Bang, Relativity, String, Quantum, Interdementional, and Multiverse - that they cannot Prove Exists.
GOD sounds a lot more Plausible than the others, if you ask me.
And, even if you don't.
You sound like a Dumb B*tch, Kelly.
Is that what you are?
Cause, that's what I'm thinking you are.
Why don't get back beside the Dumpster, in your Favourite Alley, and make yourself a coupla bucks? You know - Occupy it for as long as it takes to make that $20.
Cause, I'm thinking you do that, as well.
DTOM| 9.13.12 @ 9:42AM
Kelly;
You may lack the courage and strength to believe in something you cannot see, hear, or feel. Fine. Your weakness does not affect the reality of God.
Do not insult and assault others who do not lack that faith. Your attack makes no sense. Why attack others for what they believe if the only effect of that belief is that they try to be kind to you?
(Islam is not a religion -it is a polity, a methodology for ruling people on this planet - not in God's world.)
You may not believe in God, but lucky for you, He believes in you.
I hope that at some time in the future you will come to understand that faith is not a disease, but a source of strength, hope, and courage. Without faith, you are just another animal, but a lucky animal who has opposable thumbs, the capability of self-recognition and reflection, and the recognition and communication of abstract concepts, such as faith.
Hang in there, you may see the light eventually. I pray you do.
Don't Tread On Me!!!
DTOM| 9.13.12 @ 9:44AM
TLP;
There are many routes to any destination. This time you and I are taking different ones; isn't this fun?
DTOM
TLP| 9.13.12 @ 4:38PM
You're a far better man than I am, DTOM.
I Love God, and I Love Jesus Christ, but I am far from being perfect.
Although I live a Christian Life?
I have not yet become comfortable with the whole "Turning the other Cheek" deal.
I still Speak what's on my mind.
Perhaps, in the larger Scheme of things?
My attacks on people like Kelly, are just what they need to take a step back, and see the error of their ways.
Stranger things have happened.
megapotamus | 9.13.12 @ 10:24AM
We condemn the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims—
and maybe some others.
Mimi | 9.13.12 @ 4:57PM
Tim... I think GOD must love you for your expressing JUST ANGER...nobody does what we are all thinking and feeling and just about everyday there you are!
TLP| 9.13.12 @ 6:07PM
Are you coming on to me, Mimi?
TLP| 9.13.12 @ 6:07PM
That was a joke.
Stkman| 9.13.12 @ 11:03AM
Kelly,
I would suppose that your religion is Liberalism, so I can see where in your eyes religion is a mental disorder.
TinaB| 9.13.12 @ 1:38PM
I think Kelly also goes to the church of Evolution, where she professes her faith regularly and unswervingly. I reckon she has no problem with that religion.
Dave Williams| 9.13.12 @ 11:34AM
Welcome, fellow right-thinking atheist! Anybody who talks to (or worse yet, claims to listen to) entities that DO. NOT. EXIST. is certifiably crazy. Despite their occasional detours into profound ethical truth and magnificent poetry, religions in all their metaphysical aspect conflicts with reality as it actually exists. In the pre-scientific era, there was a legitimate excuse for religion, but now? Nah.
TinaB| 9.13.12 @ 1:39PM
Excuse me while I vomit in my mouth.
DTOM| 9.13.12 @ 2:29PM
Dave;
How do you gasoline exists? How many thousand gallons have you purchased in your life and how many of them have you actually seen?
Ever seen electricity?
Ever seen an atom?
Ever seen a shred of common sense?
How can you believe in them?
Maybe you think you don't need God. So you believe in nothing.
But then a lot of people lived their entire lives believing the world was flat.
I can tell that you, Dave, a deep thinker and a great philosopher, too. But you might want to watch the very well known atheist-philosopher admit that, gulp, God might actually exist.
Lookee here: "http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KLqIM5JVJQzCMAUKf7w8QF;_ylu=X3oDMTBvZ3AycDJsBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQDVjEzMA--?p=atheist+debate+admits+god+might+exist&vid=8ADD93C75E7A3E3DBB918ADD93C75E7A3E3DBB91&l=&turl=http://ts1.mm.bing.net/videos/thumbnail.aspx?q=5053716899496024&id=2d5dce9abbba01466be906dce0fab964&bid=kbs9Pnpex5Pdig&bn=LargeThumb&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.youtube.com%2fwatch%3fv%3ddfk7tW429E4&rurl=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfk7tW429E4&tit=Richard+Dawkins:+I+can't+be+sure+God+does+not+exist&c=5&sigr=11a71mntk&"
Good luck with all that...
DTOM
TLP| 9.13.12 @ 4:54PM
Ever seen the 4th, 5th, or 6th Dimension?
Ever seen The Big Bang?
Ever seen The God Particle, which used to be called: A single Hydrogen Atom, that precipitated The Big Bang?
Ever seen any of the Strings, that make up the String Theory?
Ever seen a Chimpanzee turn in to a Human?
Ever seen a Multiverse, or a Wormhole?
Ever seen Einstein's Theory of Relativity taking place?
Ever have Sex without a Jack Mag, and a Tube of Hand lotion?
Ever stop to think that - Maybe if you didn't touch yourself, while you look through the Bathroom Keyhole as your Mom takes a Shower - you might not be such a Fckup?
Think about it.
Alex Feltham | 9.13.12 @ 9:10AM
The road to peace with Islam is tough enough to shrink the cojones of our leaders.
The black flag planted in our Cairo embassy suggests a great first step.
more here: http://john-moloney.blogspot.com/
megapotamus | 9.13.12 @ 10:14AM
They literally raised the black flag. Come on, people. If you haven't learned any history you should AT LEAST have seen some movies!
Gr0w1er601| 9.13.12 @ 9:23AM
So much for U.S. Embassy grounds being sovereign U.S. territory. According to international treaty, the host nation is responsible for an embassy's external security (of the grounds surrounding said embassy). If this cannot be achieved, then it is IMPERATIVE for the safety of the diplomats that they be pulled out of said country until the host country honors the treaty. Hell, I think WE should pull out ALL our diplomats from theses countries and storm the Egyptian, Libyan, and Yemeni embassies, hold THEIR diplomats hostages until ALL the perpetrators are brought to justice under their own system: Sharia. Fat chance of that EVER happening, though, as all the imams and mullahs are all saying that these 'protesters' are doing Allah's work by attacking the 'kaffirs'; we infidels. Truth hurts, progressive apologists...
TLP| 9.13.12 @ 5:49PM
If The Greatest Generation was running things?
Both of these places would be a Pile of Smouldering Rubble, right now.
And, everybody knows it.
This America Hating, Muslim Homo, needs to go.
I don't care if it's at the Ballot Box, or on top of a Caisson?
Either way is fine with me.
Occam's Tool| 9.13.12 @ 8:15PM
TLP: and Truman was a Democrat, who I don't think would recognize Obama.
TLP| 9.13.12 @ 8:54PM
I hate when you hit the . Key, and the ? Shows up, instead.
What?
Derek Leaberry| 9.13.12 @ 9:24AM
If America had a leader with guts, he would send a flotilla to Libya and blockade its ports until the murderers of our ambassador were handed over. And then we would quickly try and execute the killers. But that will never happen. Our current president is a coward but so are most of his subjects. Face it, America is a nation that squirms over executing the vilest of criminals and takes fifteen or twenty years to do so and only in a few southern states where a majority of its people are not sniveling cowards. Just as Charles Manson still lives because most Californians were cowardly as long ago as 1969, the killers of the ambassador will live as heroes in Libya because the American people will not do what is necessary to avenge his death.
megapotamus | 9.13.12 @ 10:13AM
Yes, I wondered at the Obama/Biden claim that we would bring these "murderers" to "justice". That requires the cooperation of the Libyans, right? And to be a viable political response, it requires the VISIBLE cooperation. Considering that the local security men colluded with the attack and the "government" instantly blamed the US for the attack (though this might be factual). Stevens' last year or so probably represented the high-water mark of Libyan cooperation with the US. And its result is, um, mixed.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 9.13.12 @ 9:43AM
"Could'a had him any day, as Willie Nelson says in one of his songs"
Don't leave out Merle Haggard, as it was with him that Willie recorded his duet hit of Townes Van Zandt's "Pancho & Lefty". While not at the level of forgetting to acknowledge the role of the Seals, CIA, and enhanced interrogation, etc. while giving credit to Obama for Bin Laden's death, it is a notable omission. Likewise, mentioning Eaton without 1stLt Presley O'Bannon is a similar faux pas.
CJW| 9.13.12 @ 10:38AM
Is that the song with the words ".. time to put a few in the ground..." and "... get a tall oak tree and a rope and round up all them bad boys...?
Albert Constantine Jr.| 9.13.12 @ 11:19AM
No, it's the story of a fugitive Mexican bandit Pancho (purported to be Pancho Villa by some) and the American expatriate informant "Lefty" who did him in. The chorus cited goes to the effect of:
All the Federales say
We could've had him any day
They only let him slip away
Out of Kindness I suppose
I'm not sure it is well used in this particular article. It probably fits better into a Fast & Furious story, or a story about Pakistani officials being unaware of Bin Laden in their midst at Abbottabad.
CJW| 9.13.12 @ 3:51PM
I was thinking of "Beer for my Horses" by Willie and Toby Keith. It fits the war on terrorrism: Time for the long arm of the law to put a few more in the ground..."
Occam's Tool| 9.13.12 @ 8:16PM
Willie Nelson is a pro-islamist Libtard in real life. All that ganja has fried his brain.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 9.13.12 @ 11:00PM
Toby Keith, on the other hand, is accurately described as pro-US military.
spike59| 9.14.12 @ 1:23PM
no, Toby said it better, and more fittingly, with this:
"you'll be sorry you messed with the US of A, 'cause we'll put a boot in your ass; it's the American way"
"Courtesy of the Red White and Blue"
jothepro| 9.14.12 @ 9:23AM
I always liked Emmylou Harris's version..
megapotamus | 9.13.12 @ 10:09AM
Wow. I pause at the first craptastic eruption. No one ever said, "the Afghan and Iraqi peoples would all stand up at the sight of our armored columns and clamor for copies of The Federalist Papers" or anything like it. Cheney and others DID say, we would be welcomed as liberators. And so we were at first, even in Afghanistan. So let's leave the malign revisionism to the other side and lesser publications, may we?
Ronda| 9.13.12 @ 10:11AM
So let's stop fostering them.
Hello?
megapotamus | 9.13.12 @ 10:22AM
Second eruption: was Iraq NOT reformed along Western lines? Or was it not an Islamic Society to begin with? If the latter, I tend to agree, relatively. But it was changing. The old secularist Saddam was using Islam as much as the Iranian mullahs in politics while it was not so much a part of civic life. Problematic as Iraq has proven to be, it must be compared to its former self, its neighbors and the alternatives pursued by its internal malcontents. It looks pretty good compared to those and, unlike its neighbors, it has an internal kernel of democratizers and relative secularists that can hold their heads up without having them cut off. For now.
Who Knows?| 9.13.12 @ 10:28AM
Lincoln had McClellan, who had a case of the “slows”. Despite overwhelming odds, the latter refused to use his forces against Lee---a caution that extended the Civil War, and needlessly resulted in way more deaths than would have occurred, IF the Union had just totally blasted away.
We ain’t seen nothin’ yet.
In Chicago, the basic fear---beneath all the union crap---is that 400,000 kids will be running free, instead of safely held prisoner in public indoctrinating schools. Trouble, we got trouble, right here in windy city!
Just so, the “kids” in Islam-land, worldwide, ARE running free NOW.
The citizens of the civilized world, especially the big dog America, by and large still have a case of the “slows”, when it comes to completely understanding what Islam is. How many more books and articles and outrageous acts do we need, to finally break through the crust of political correctness?
Robert Spenser long ago nailed Islam. I read his deeply researched offerings at David Horowitz’s website, years ago. And now, Andrew McCarthy at National Review Online is the latest---who I know---hot shot spreading the wealth of TRUE info about Moslems.
I finally saw “Out of Africa”. One lesson---lions NATURALLY attack and kill. Obviously.
Unless and until most people realize it’s natural for Islamists to attack and kill what they consider sub-humans of other “faiths”, nothing will change.
It’s “slows” until then.
Anthony| 9.13.12 @ 10:59AM
Four dead in Cairo because Obozo, Biteme, and Hillary spiked the Osama football once too many times.
Once again, Obozo is directly responsible for the deaths of Americans, be it Fast & Furious or Osama bragging!!
These amateurs have got to go.... to prison!!!
Peppermint Tea | 9.13.12 @ 11:44AM
No soldiers, Obama's running
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
Four dead in Ly-bee-ah.
Gotta get down to it
Muslims are cutting us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew them
And saw them dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?
No soldiers, Obama's running.
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
More dead in Ca-i-ro.
MarkS| 9.13.12 @ 12:40PM
Speaking of imperial islam and history there is a question I always asked any who opposed the Iraq war. "What was the first European nation we invaded in WWII?" to which blank stares or a tentative "Germany?" was the usual reply. Wrong, it was Italy, I'd answer and we didn't just invade. We pounded the stuffing out of her in some of the bloodiest, most brutal fighting and bombing of the war. But why Italy? Poor, hapless, militarily inept Italia who had never fired a shot in anger at us until we met her German commanded conscripts in the deserts of North Africa who then usually promptly surrendered. Because they were on the same team and they were who we could get at first. They were fascists and in league with the two tyrannies on the march, that's why.
And so perhaps the eyes of our more complacent countrymen are finally opening to the fool's errand we've embarked on of separating the muslim "moderate" sheep from the "extremist" muslim goats according to our own dim, western understanding. Polls across the "muslim world" and in their beachheads of the west consistently show significant pluralities or majorities share the same aims and goals of global islamic domination as their more proactive bretheren. In my book, this makes the average Ahmed-in-the-street chanting and shaking his fist scarcely better than those more willing to pull a trigger for allah. (Continued…)
MarkS| 9.13.12 @ 1:15PM
(cont.) They're on the same team and it's the former’s shared worldview who make possible the jihad of the latter. It’s how our putative "allies" deny complicity on their honor as “good muslims” while funneling money, arms, technical and moral support to “bad muslims”. Locally, “good” muslim Americans give money to “Islamic charity” with a wink and a nod knowing it’s really for their special brand of evangelism. The "good" muslims are the ocean in which the "bad" muslims swim freely.
An idea whose time may have comes from a former State biggie (can't recall name) who held that a new MAD doctrine was needed. A publicly stated, no-BS policy that if we're hit again in a big way we're just going to crush them all with the push of a few buttons. No more separating sheep from goats and every capital and holy place paved with green glass. The logic is that being top-down societies the word would go forth from all the mullahs, madrassas, emirs, sheiks, kings and princes across the “islamic world” and thus end the "good muslim, bad muslim" game they've been running on us. The effect would be the same as with the Soviets who kept their clients on a short lease. The chances of us actually having to incinerate hundreds of thousands of people would go down whereas if we keep playing the patsy it's almost a dead certainty that some day, much sooner than we realize, we will have to push that button but only after losing countless numbers of our own first.
kbs55| 9.14.12 @ 12:27PM
11 years ago, on September 11,2001, I learned all I need to know about Islam’s irredeemable barbarism.
BShep| 9.13.12 @ 1:00PM
Here is (or at least should be) our new policy in the Middle East.
-Cut off all foreign aid to the Middle East. Remove all troops, diplomats and US citizens TODAY.
-In any civil war, always arm the side that is losing.
-Drill here, drill now.
-We have no allies in the Middle except one, Israel.
-Remove all immigrants from the Middle East now.
If you are not a US citizen, GO HOME! If you are a citizen but not loyal to the US, GO HOME! If you feel you must worship in a Mosque, GO HOME! Islam is not a religion, it is a cult used to subjugate and enslave people, especially women. As Christianity is not welcome in the Middle East, Islam is not welcome in the US. Cults are not protected by our religious freedom rules.
-There is no such thing as a “moderate” Muslim.
Mimi | 9.13.12 @ 5:33PM
We are all feeling a lot of anger...and this on..9/11 makes it more of a blow !
We have been in this since the early nineties...and in a serious fight since 9/11. We have paid a price...look at the loss of life...loss of fortune ...we have almost 50,000 wounded many without limbs.....somebody needs to rethink this fight....Hands behind the back don't cut it, being "NICE" gets us spit on!
WE NEED TO FIGHT THIS THING TO WIN!
and get it DONE !!! Quick....11 years is too long to play footsie...Bush stepped hard but kind...OBAMA Tied our kids arms with impossible rules of engagement. They...the enemy respect only BRUTAL FORCE...like details of Daniel Pearle the facts will come out of our Ambassadors final hours and they won't be pretty.....I say ENOUGH !
Maybe we need to call for a resignation of OBAMA now...He's certainly not doing right by AMERICA!
Vet4Progress| 9.14.12 @ 3:09PM
"WE NEED TO FIGHT THIS THING TO WIN!
and get it DONE !!! Quick"
lol Typical impatient, gotta have it now attitude. And what would you propose? Indescriminate carpet bombing of major middle eastern cities?
mimi = moron
David| 9.13.12 @ 1:03PM
I feel sorry for you Dave Williams. The various science disciplines agree with the Biblical account of history.
You really ought to educate yourself and find out what some of the most well-known scientists the world has ever know believed about God.
And, it is not about RELIGION but about a RELATIONSHIP. Without acknowledging that you are a sinner and need a Savior, you cannot understand what it means to be born-again/saved/converted. Billions of people throughout history have had a relationship with God the Father, by accepting the fact that Jesus (yes, Jesus and his ministry are proven historical facts) died for their sins, and have been indwelt with Holy Spirit. It is real - there is nothing mysterious about it - and billions of people have testified to it.
TinaB| 9.13.12 @ 3:27PM
David put it so well. True Christianity is a relationship with the Living God, available 24/7 if we are smart enough to call on Him constantly.
Paul refers to this as a mystery several times in his letters.
Eph 5:32 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. (NIV)
No mystery to God's children/church. Big mystery to everyone else.
Col 1:26 26 the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the Lord’s people. (NIV)
We don't see it as a mystery any longer because God has revealed Himself to us through the indwelling of His Son, through the Holy Spirit. There is no mystery to you or to me, or, you could say, mystery solved.
So a mystery it still is for the rest. And yet, Christ says, "I stand at the door and knock." and HE waits for the door to be opened. So simple. For us, not for Him. The price was a terrible one for Him.
Theolonious| 9.13.12 @ 1:18PM
AMEN SIR,,,BLOOD THIRSTY SOCIOPATHS N-DEED! No different, albiet emboldened more so than the THUGS we had to dodge while on MED CRUISE LIBERTY in the US NAVY 30 years ago! Biggest difference 1oooooooooo more. PEACE SIR!
Elle| 9.13.12 @ 1:33PM
Sadly, Ambassador Chris Stevens and reporter Daniel Pearl made the same mistake-trusting/supporting these animals
Kelly Staples| 9.13.12 @ 3:09PM
Many thanks to the faithful for your thoughtful, reasoned, and mature comments. You make my case. I sincerely hope you and your Big Invisible Buddy have a wonderful, wonderful day.
TinaB| 9.13.12 @ 3:32PM
You think calling someone's Lord and God their "invisible buddy" reasoned and mature? Typical leftie. Wants to be treated better than she wants to treat others. I rest my case harder. In fact I'm pushing my case.
Third Army| 9.13.12 @ 5:01PM
Churchill said this about the Germans and it could be said about the members of the Religion of Peace: They are either at your feet or at your throat.
Keep them at our feet. Use any means possible.
John786| 9.13.12 @ 8:26PM
This article is complete gibberish. This is islamophobia meets historic fabrications.
Skippy| 9.14.12 @ 2:30PM
Lil' Mo speaks up at last.
Allahu f*cktard.
kbs55| 9.14.12 @ 12:24PM
The first war the United States was involved in after the revolution was against the Barbary (Islamic) Pirates, nations across the northern coast of Africa. After victory 200 years ago Obama surrendered
Philo Vaihinger | 9.14.12 @ 1:47PM
And the moral?
Vet4Progress| 9.14.12 @ 3:03PM
"The Libyans were waiting for a chance to be just like us!"
That is a bald-faced lie. The administration nowhere and at no time made such a naive and global assessment. The author is busy constructing a straw-man and it is patently obvious.
guru4u | 9.15.12 @ 10:33AM
We are heading towards WWIII and it won't be pretty. All those children of worthless baby boomers are about to wake up in a new world.
OregonBuzz| 9.15.12 @ 11:21AM
In order to be consistent and avoid any confusion about who we are fighting, it would be good to adopt one specific term to identify the adversary. They are not Radical Islam, nor Islamists or Terrorists or any other PC term. The enemy is MUSLIMS and their doctrine is ISLAM and TERRORISM is their preferred tactic.