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The Obama Watch

Reflecting on 9/11

By on 9.11.12 @ 6:09AM

Obama cannot tell us why Osama killed 3,000 Americans.

The day after Navy SEALS killed Osama bin Laden, I wrote the following about President Obama’s re-election prospects:

The spontaneous celebrations will, of course, soon pass. Nevertheless, people will invariably associate bin Laden’s demise with President Obama. As long as that is the case the electorate will be strongly inclined to give Obama another four years in office.

The Obama Administration and its supporters have spared no effort in associating Obama with Osama’s demise even if it was the Navy SEALS who did the heavy lifting.

Vice President Joe Biden has frequently said, “Osama Dead; GM Alive!!!” and did so again at last week’s Democratic National Convention. Also at the DNC, Senator John “America Needs to Pass a Global Test” Kerry said, “Ask Osama bin Laden if he’s better off now than he was four years ago.”

Obama himself went further than that during his DNC acceptance speech:

I promised to refocus on the terrorists who actually attacked us on 9/11. We have. We’ve blunted the Taliban’s momentum in Afghanistan, and in 2014, our longest war will be over. A new tower rises above the New York skyline, al Qaeda is on the path to defeat, and Osama bin Laden is dead.

What Obama is suggesting is that our military wasn’t focused on Afghanistan, the Taliban and al Qaeda until he arrived in the Oval Office. It was a typically audacious statement from our audacious President. What Obama doesn’t tell us is that he is doing everything he can to bring the Taliban back to the negotiating table and is willing to release prisoners from Gitmo to do it. Not exactly a profile in courage.

But what else can we expect from our audacious President? After all, on the anniversary of Osama’s killing, Obama’s “Truth Team” put out an ad which suggested that Mitt Romney would not have made the call to kill bin Laden. This, of course, was the ad which featured former President Bill Clinton who said, “The downside would have been horrible for him” had the raid failed. This prompted Veterans for a Safe America to put out an ad which asked, “Horrible for him?” The ad also ran an excerpt from a press conference following the bin Laden killing in which Obama stated, “I said I’d go after bin Laden if we had a clear shot at him and I did.”

I did? Why is Obama talking as if he was the one who descended from the helicopter into bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad firing the shot that killed Osama? To borrow a page from Bill Clinton’s book, because he can.

Obama can in no small part due to a sympathetic and sycophantic liberal media that desires his re-election. Yet eight years ago, the liberal media blasted President Bush for using images from the attack on the World Trade Center during his re-election campaign while Democrats took Republicans to task for holding their convention in New York near the anniversary of the attacks of September 11, 2001.

Suppose if bin Laden had been killed under President Bush’s watch. What if it had before the 2004 GOP Convention? What if Rudy Giuliani had said bin Laden wasn’t better off than he was four years ago? What if Dick Cheney had said “bin Laden dead, GM alive”? What if Bush said that Bill Clinton failed to kill bin Laden when he had the opportunity to do so? The liberal media would have accused Republicans of chauvinism, jingoism and blamed them for creating more terrorists. But Obama, Biden, and Kerry are free to boast about Osama’s death to their heart’s content.

Yet for all of Obama’s bragging about killing Osama there are other things he cannot tell us. Obama cannot tell us why Osama issued not one, but two fatwas imploring Muslims to kill Americans wherever they might find them. Therefore he cannot tell us why 19 hijackers put those fatwas into action. The reason for this is because Obama says we are not at war with Islam even if a critical part of it is at war with us. Despite this, the words Islamic terrorism will not be spoken by Obama much less appear in the same sentence.

How did Obama respond when Nidal Malik Hasan shot and killed his fellow soldiers at Fort Hood carrying business cards with the inscription “Soldier of Allah” shouting “Allahu Akbar!!!”? Obama admonished the nation not to jump to conclusions. When the Obama Administration did draw a conclusion, it was explained away as an act of “workplace violence.” Well, by this logic, one could also call the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon an act of “workplace violence.” But to call the attacks of September 11, 2001 an act of workplace violence would not only be an understatement, it would be an injustice and an insult. Yet Obama has no compunction to trivialize what happened at Fort Hood and insult our brave men and women who died there in the process.

Osama bin Laden will never write another fatwa again. But his words will continue to influence jihadists for years to come. If not for the passengers on Northwest Flight 255 and a vigilant t-shirt vendor in Times Square, thousands of more Americans could have died at the hands of Islamic terrorists. If these acts of evil hadn’t been prevented, Obama would have undoubtedly told us not to jump to conclusions despite all evidence to the contrary. As I write this, Islamic terrorists are planning to carry out terrorist attacks against Americans on our soil and abroad and, one day, they will strike.

President Obama will brag about giving the order to kill Osama for the rest of his life. But he cannot tell us why Osama wanted to kill 3,000 Americans on September 11, 2001.

About the Author

Aaron Goldstein writes from Boston, Massachusetts.

Letter to the Editor View all comments (158) |

spike59| 9.11.12 @ 6:44AM

"But he cannot tell us why Osama wanted to kill 3,000 Americans on September 11, 2001."
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Sure he can...in the words of his pastor and spiritual mentor, it was "America's chickens coming home to roost"...i have no doubt that Obama agreed 100% with that sentiment, and still does

Jack in Wi| 9.11.12 @ 7:09AM

On this 11th aniversary of 9/11 I suggest everyone read Pat Buchanan's column avialible this day. In it Pat makes the very sound case that the Obama is standing up to the Nutanyahu and stopping the insane idea of bombing Iran. Bombing Iran would at least triple the price of gas, bring on a possible 3rd world war, and end up with millions or tens of millions of lives lost. Pat wrote in this essay that Mitt Romney should join him in his efforts to restrain Nutayahu. Of course he is right. Our military and intelligence establishments are in open revolt against such an idea which would be a horrible war crime. The same is true of the Israeli military and intelligence establishments. Romney is never going to bomb Iran is he is elected. The Bushes didn't, Clinton and Obama didn't and Romney won't either.

It is time for Romney to dump all those insane Neocons he has stnking up his foreign policy section. He has to out flank Obama on the peace issue. I have suggested that he promise to bring home the troops from Afganistan as soon as he enters office. He could also promise to have a more restrained foreign policy, with much reduced committments. He would do himself and the Republican Party a huge favor with the libertarians, paleo conservatives, young people and independents that he needs to win. War is an electoral loser. It is time to cut off Obama at the knees.

Boar Hunter| 9.11.12 @ 11:27AM

Oh look! Jack wrote something I can quote. Oh wait I guess not he spelled "aniversary" wrong.

On this 11th anniversary of 9/11, I suggest everyone burn a Koran.

Purp| 9.11.12 @ 11:37AM

What your point? Bin Laden is dead.

CJW| 9.11.12 @ 12:50PM

What is your point that Bin Laden is dead? Who is killing Americans in Afghanistan? Is the war on terrorrism over because Bin Laden is dead?
You are beyond stupid.

canuckistani| 9.11.12 @ 1:01PM

The Taliban are killing Americans. Is it a war or not?
They were born there, had a government that was recognized internationally. We hosted them in DC and Houston, for goodness sake.
We are occupiers, siding with Pashtun drug addicts. Al Qaeda is gone. We have to get the heck out and let the tribalists figure it our for themselves.

Many rebs refused to lay down arms after the North won. Were they terrorists or patriots? They also OWNED people. Taliban-esque, n'est pas?

Wake up.

CJW| 9.11.12 @ 1:52PM

Agaain, Purpie/Canuck
What is your point? Skip the rant.

Von Mises Jr| 9.11.12 @ 3:25PM

You got it CJW. It was not hard to figure out that caucksacki is Perp.

AmericanCynic| 9.11.12 @ 5:57PM

I'll tell you what's "beyond stupid" having a vague, perpetual war on anything!

AmericanCynic| 9.11.12 @ 5:54PM

(Oh wait I guess not he spelled "aniversary" wrong.)

Boar Hunter, you might want to look into the importance of commas!

Dave Williams| 9.11.12 @ 7:01PM

And of course, Jack, you nazi piece of jackal shit, you'd be PERFECTLY happy if Iran annihilated Israel and every Jew in it, as I'manutjob has SAID he's going to do. You disgust me, and every decent reader of this site....go piss up a rope.

JmsA| 9.12.12 @ 12:41AM

Hey Jackboot, are you going to blame the Jews for the hypersensitive muslim fanatics attacking the American embassy in Cairo and the American consulate in Libya?

Aristocat| 9.11.12 @ 7:45AM

List of Muslim Terrorists who murdered over 3,000 Americans on 9/11/2001:

United Airlines Flight 93: Pennsylvania
Hijackers: Ziad Jarrah (Lebanese), Ahmed al-Haznawi (Saudi Arabian), Ahmed al-Nami (Saudi Arabian), Saeed al-Ghamdi (Saudi Arabian).[7]

American Airlines Flight 77 – Pentagon

Hijackers: Hani Hanjour (Saudi Arabian), Khalid al-Mihdhar (Saudi Arabian), Majed Moqed (Saudi Arabian), Nawaf al-Hazmi (Saudi Arabian), Salem al-Hazmi (Saudi Arabian).[7]

United Airlines Flight 175 – Two World Trade Center

Hijackers: Marwan al-Shehhi (United Arab Emirati), Fayez Banihammad (United Arab Emirati), Mohand al-Shehri (Saudi Arabian), Hamza al-Ghamdi (Saudi Arabian), Ahmed al-Ghamdi (Saudi Arabian).[7

American Airlines Flight 11 – One World Trade Cente

Hijackers: Mohamed Atta (Egyptian), Waleed al-Shehri (Saudi Arabian), Wail al-Shehri (Saudi Arabian), Abdulaziz al-Omari (Saudi Arabian), Satam al-Suqami (Saudi Arabian).[7]

TLP| 9.11.12 @ 9:29AM

"All this for a Flag?"

The Fat Assed, America Hating POS - Michelle Obama, at a previous 911 Memorial Service.

MK48| 9.11.12 @ 10:19AM

9/11 the real truth...http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/the-911-files/what-the-real-911-witnesses-saw-and-heard.html

Jacob McCandles| 9.11.12 @ 11:13AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRA0NKQ0k6E

For all of the people who believe that a small handful of "extremists" are the problem, let me remind you of the video above. Where exactly are the moderate muslims again? Hiding in their homes?

canuckistani| 9.11.12 @ 1:03PM

Not in Riyadh, a place we happily send our presidents to kiss ass.

Forget the dusty barrios, the true enemy is in the presidential palaces strewn across the pininsula.

Von Mises Jr| 9.11.12 @ 8:22AM

Spike, you NAILED it. This is the theme of D'souza's "2016." It is for the past sins of the British Empire. Hell, why not throw in the Roman Empire to boot.
But this is what you get from an "Affirmative Action" president. We had to make him Dear Leader to make up for Jim Crow.
Where does this logic come from? We know liberals and socialist cannot use logic with their constant non sequiturs and logical fallacies. But it appears that it boils down to that they just make this shit up as they go along.

canuckistani| 9.11.12 @ 1:14PM

You act as if the southern strategy of pandering to disaffected rednecks is a fantasy that has imbued our elections for 50 years. This effect is real and is replicated all over the world.

Imperial folly has consequences. The US is one, as is Afghanistan, the Levant and the Raj - even Ukraine and Hungary are examples.
It takes generations to emerge from these periods, and each tribe must use their institutional memories to mold a new path.

Given the basic defects of the region, it will take much longer. Conversely, we had the benefit of already being part of the gentry.
In these countries, the massas simply left with the treasure and lammed.

Don't forget, 2012 is 200 years since our first aggressive and opportunistic war that Madison and his moron cronies started. Was that a relic of imperial wounds or something more telling about the American heart? I hope it is the former.

Von Mises Jr| 9.11.12 @ 3:26PM

Troll alert. Perp has a new name and a new beau. He named himself after his buddy caucksacki.

Alan Obama Fan Brooks | 9.11.12 @ 5:55PM

"Nevertheless, people will invariably associate bin Laden's demise with President Obama."

Because all president's get credit (or discredit) for what happens on their 'watch'-- as if they are rent-a-cops, or sumpin'!

Jack in Wi| 9.11.12 @ 6:50AM

I have long predicted that Obama would run as the peace candidate. He can claim to have ended the war Iraq, gotten Bin Laden, and that he is finishing the and winding down the war in Afganistan. That is despite the fact that he has started at least 6 wars himself and has us deeper in the soup then ever. I will name the wars so that the numerous paid Democrat posters here know what I am talking about, Pakistan, Bahrain, Libya, Syria, Somalia and Kenya. He also has put troops and bases in more countries. Like both Bushes, and Clinton he has not bombed Iran. The people want nothing do do with another war in the Middle East.

Now Arron has a lot of sour grapes because Osama was killed on Obama's watch. Well Bush had 7 years to get the job done and failed. maybe that is because he was wasting his time and our blood on money in Iraq which had nothing to do with 9/11. The question everyone should be asking is why wasn't every effort made to get Bin Laden alive and why was his body disposed of in such a hasty manner without independent press coverage? You would think all these people who love torture so much would have loved to get their hands on Bin Laden and pump him for information. The whole thing has alway seemed fishy to me.

c. j. acworth| 9.11.12 @ 8:35AM

Jack, I seriously doubt that binLaden was not being diligently searched for under Bush. It just took 10 years to finally track him down. Which brings up a question I've wondered about for a long time. Instead of spending billions on bases in Europe (hasn't Germany been pacified yet?) we might do better to put those dollars into intel. Information about plans for terrorist attacks so we can intercept them before they happen, or at least solid proof of where the attack originated so we know exactly who to flatten in response. The alternative is to pick a target, any target, then spend 10 years trying to "nation build" out of the ruins.
As for killing rather than capturing bin Laden, can you imagine the circus as the ACLU and every other organization of left-wing nut jobs demanded he be given a "fair trial" and even volunteered to represent him?

nathan| 9.11.12 @ 10:23AM

Sir: Fifth Amendment does say the following does it not (assuming he had been captured alive and been brought back here) "No person . . . . shall be deprived of life liberty or property . . . without due process." The Sixth Amendment talks about the right to a speedy trial and the Eight Amendment refers to no cruel and unusual treatment. The Eighth Amendment can be viewed as a broad prohibition by the way to torture by any and all federal actors under any and all circumstances. Madison did not caveat it in any way.

We note that the Fifth Amendment that Madison carefully crafted does not refer exclusively to Americans. "No person" covers everyone subject to federal and by extension state jurisdiction. It obviously covers anyone brought to trial in this country for any reason.

We note that at Nuremburg if you're looking for a precedent the defendents there accused of far worse crimes that OBL were in fact represented by counsel who gave a spirited defense. Would you really have it otherwise?

Boar Hunter| 9.11.12 @ 11:29AM

Someone should put you in a dark room and beat your ass with a stick every day for the rest of your life.

nathan| 9.11.12 @ 11:55AM

I'm the bad guy here for quoting the Constitution and Madison? For that you want to deprive me of my Fifth and Eighth Amendment rights? Really? On what basis? Jefferson said we are endowed by our "CREATOR" with certain unalieanable rights. I would suggest sir that unless you can show untouched videos of you performing miracles or walking on water, you have no authority to take away those rights from me. Now a question for you sir.

I quote the Founders. You don't. You propose torture and indefinite confinement without just cause and due process. Who between the two of us is the conservative here? Me or you? Maybe sir there are other sites that are more appropriate for your brand of "conservatism"? Just a thought.

Tom Kyba| 9.11.12 @ 1:11PM

Liar! What you are doing is using wording of the constitution to pretend Bin Laden was somehow deprived of rights he never had. Using your elitist leftist "up the establishment" kiddie version of reality, every dead miscreant scumbag in the world is a victim. How depressing to read the drivel of someone who thinks he has better standards than the rest of us while displaying a willingness to sacrifice others so he can puff out his chest and crow about his superior moral standing.

nathan| 9.11.12 @ 1:25PM

You know reading is a lost art in this country. I said "if he had been brought back alive". I did not comment on him being executed. NOW GO BACK AND READ EXACTLY WHAT I WROTE! Or is that too much to ask. I was responding to the writer who suggested that if he had been taken alive the ACLU would have volunteered to represent him. Now read it again. I again said NOTHING, REPEAT NOTHING ABOUT HIM BEING EXECUTED. Is it too much to ask for people to actually read what I write and respond to what I actually WRITE not what you think you read? Just a suggestion.

Boar Hunter| 9.11.12 @ 4:14PM

Dark room. Just like your mind. No light should be allowed to enter, just the man with the stick.

CJW| 9.11.12 @ 12:54PM

What is your point, that Osama should not have been shot? Maybe we should have had an attorney with Seal Team 6 to represent Osama?
Do you realize how silly you sound every day?

nathan| 9.11.12 @ 1:29PM

Sir, I made no such suggestion. I was commenting on any trial that might have taken place had he been brought back alive. As I told the other gentlemen, don't read more into what I write than what I actually WRITE. I write precisely. Now comment if you would please? on what I ACTUALLY write, not on what you mind read from me. Too much to ask? If I wanted to suggest he shouldn't have been shot I would have said so, but did I write it? NO. So why are YOU bringing it up? Kindly address what I DO write and leave mind reading to pyschics.

CJW| 9.11.12 @ 1:48PM

So you want to discuss what if we captured Osama , as was offered to Clinton and refuesed, and brought him back for a trial? You have too much time on your hands.
Again, answer the question. What precisely is your point, if any? Name the Americans who should be tried for Nuremberg crimes, and why. Now that may be precise.

You do not write precisely. You like to whine about terrrorrists and the Bill of Rights.

Boar Hunter| 9.11.12 @ 4:15PM

Your an idiot and a communist supporting anti-American. The ONLY thing you know about what is american is what lies and twisted information you use to try and rail against it.

canuckistani| 9.11.12 @ 8:44AM

Good summary.

Junior needed OBL as the bogeyman for his Iraqi adventure. Without him, the pretext for war would have been extremely difficult to conjure up.

Reading that Junior cited Gog and Magog in a discussion with a nuclear ally is terrifying to me, and should give pause to reasonable people on here.

BHO has done a very good job of navigating the wreckage left by the previous regime, with care for our troops regaining traction in Congress, and intelligence activities rapidly becoming the choice over messy large-scale missions.

What's next? The Saudi/Iran issue has finally come to the fore, after 80 (or 1000) years of cold war between these two Muslim factions. Israel is just a distraction, the main event is elsewhere.

We would be wise to tread carefully. BHO has shown restraint, whereas Willard would be open to suggestion by the neocon and third templar factions.

Tom Kyba| 9.11.12 @ 1:12PM

How can someone be wrong about everything he posts? You are a miracle junior.

Boar Hunter| 9.11.12 @ 4:16PM

Islam is of satan.

Jack London| 9.11.12 @ 9:56AM

Stop these stupid lies - we were not fighting wars in Pakistan, Bahrain, Libya, Syria, Somalia and Kenya - although we have chased various insurgents in Pakistan borders.

TLP| 9.11.12 @ 10:07AM

"All this for a Flag?"

The Fat Assed, America Hating POS - Michelle Obama, at a previous 911 Memorial Service.

Boar Hunter| 9.11.12 @ 11:30AM

How can we stop "these stupid lies" when you continue to post here?

spike59| 9.11.12 @ 6:59AM

The question everyone should be asking is why wasn't every effort made to get Bin Laden alive and why was his body disposed of in such a hasty manner without independent press coverage? You would think all these people who love torture so much would have loved to get their hands on Bin Laden and pump him for information. The whole thing has alway seemed fishy to me.
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i see you still have your tinfoil hat; a leftover from the doomed RP campaign?

Joellen| 9.11.12 @ 7:13AM

Jack, once again you have it wrong. Aaron does NOT have sour grapes because Osama died (?) during Obama's watch. He liked those who respect our Military, our Military who takes all the risk, is OUTRAGED because this sham artist, Obama, is taking all the credit. Reason why I have the (?), I too wonder aloud why was that body disposed of so quickly? To heck with respect for a terrorist murder, I still ask why?

chuck| 9.11.12 @ 7:27AM

I still want to see the pictures. It's called closure.

Aristocat| 9.11.12 @ 7:50AM

They just didn't want terrorists trying to get Osama's body & killing more Americans in the process....Whereever they buried him would have been a sacred place to Muslims and a prime site for terrorist attacks.
Obama as a Muslim-raised African-American cannot understand the outrage of the American people....He loves the sound of the Muslim call to prayer more than the sound of our national anthem, and that's a documented fact.

TLP| 9.11.12 @ 10:06AM

"All this for a Flag?"

The Fat Assed, America Hating POS - Michelle Obama, at a previous 911 Memorial Service.

spike59| 9.11.12 @ 4:44PM

i'm guessing that the ocean was the nearest toilet large enough to flush the turd

nathan| 9.11.12 @ 7:35AM

Actually the writer doesn't answer the question why OBL attacked. Does he know? Do any of you? Again I remind you all that Buchanan in a column in 1999 said that if we inisisted in being in places where we didn't have to be, sooner or later people would attack us assymetrically. Two years later he was proved right. You will recall that one of the things OBL complained about was American troops in Saudi Arabia, defiling if you sacred ground. Consider if troops from say Saudi Arabia were stationed inside Vatican City how would Catholics feel. You will also note that after the attack, those American troops left and have not returned. Perhaps had we heeded his demands to remove them earlier . . .

There were other things including I believe that promises made during WWI by the Western powers should be carried out. Certainly he had a sense of history.

He never had more than 1,000 people. And yet he completely changed America and not for the good. TSA, DHS, Patriot Act, unconstitutional acts by two presidents, sacred principles ignored (torture of detainees among them). Every time you walk through TSA he wins. Every time a detainee is abused, he wins. For a man with such limited resources to so impact the world's "greatest" country is utterly amazing.

JP| 9.11.12 @ 8:23AM

Er... in 2001 there were no American troops in Saudi Arabia. And there is nothing sacred about Saudi Arabia. Mecca, yes, Saudi Arabia no. The Saudis invite nearly 1 million foreign, non Muslim contractors to run their country. American troops left Saudi Arabia in 1999.

Nice try. Time to update your talking points. Time for you to learn something about Islam too.

nathan| 9.11.12 @ 8:44AM

Sorry sir, but a NY Times article I just read disagrees with you commenting that American troops were there in 2001 and it made reference to growing tensions caused by their presence. So in your own words "Nice try." Also I'm not an expert on islam but having lived in muslim countries I'll match my understanding of the religion against yours most any day.

TLP| 9.11.12 @ 10:05AM

"All this for a Flag?"

The Fat Assed, America Hating POS - Michelle Obama, at a previous 911 Memorial Service.

Occam's Tool| 9.11.12 @ 10:26AM

Nathan: and you would lose. I've dealt with enough Muslims, and studied the religion at a collegiate level. Thanks for playing.

It is obvious which side you support, and it isn't the USA's.

nathan| 9.11.12 @ 12:08PM

Sir we can disagree on the correct approach without disparaging each other. The fact is that Bush's approach didn't work and probably had no chance of working. Not the way he went about it. Does saying so make me anti-American? Why? Does saying that he over reacted, that his unconstitutional actions weren't necessary again make me un American? Why? The fact is that with the Patriot Act, the torture, TSA and so much more, Bush did violate his oath of office. So why does saying so make me the bad guy? We as conservatives have no, repeat no, obligation to support illegal unconstitutional actions by any president for any reason. Show me where the Founders tell us we have to. Give me one quote. I quote from the Founders all the time. YOU never do and yet YOU call ME names? Based on what sir? Given a choice between siding with the Founders and siding with people like you or Sean or the rest of today's so called "conservatives" guess where I'm going to be? It's an easy choice honestly.

Call me all the names you want, but facts would be nice, countervailing quotes from Madison would be nicer yet. But YOU never do. Can you?

canuckistani| 9.11.12 @ 1:20PM

Don't bother, nate.
They bask in their ignorance.

Get them to quote bible text, and you have them beat. Reason denies them succor.

Boar Hunter| 9.11.12 @ 4:17PM

Islam is of Satan. Death to Islam.

Tom Kyba| 9.11.12 @ 1:24PM

As usual, you encourage angry replies, then smirk as the responses you were hoping for appear. You are an unmitigated piece of snobbery. And gutless for playing the phony contrived "I'm more reasonable than you" game. Over and over and over. The even sadder thing is, you think you're unique with your self-serving shtick. Ooh ooh I called you a name. I am so gauche and uncouth next to your glowing nobility.
You sir, are a pretentious fop.

nathan| 9.11.12 @ 1:37PM

This gets tiresome. More names no facts. Doesn't this bore even you? Try once in responding to me to actually quote something.

Skippy| 9.11.12 @ 2:19PM

There are plenty of us who feel that:
waterboarding is not torture,
Saddam bluffed his way to the gallows,
the biggest thug in the ME got strung up, and that's a good thing,
we are safer with Islam knowing how far we will go to kill jihadis,
everything GWB did to protect us after 9/11 was justified and proper,
you are a twerp.

Boar Hunter| 9.11.12 @ 11:32AM

Your not an expert on anything,. You are however aggressively ignorant about everything.

Nick| 9.11.12 @ 8:04PM

The New York Slimes, Nathan?
Yeah, that is a source that all "conservatives" use to make their points, brainiac.

Von Mises Jr| 9.11.12 @ 8:25AM

We know Dear Leader Obama could not have killed Osama.
He was golfing that day and his scorecard documents 18 holes in one. It was even a more difficult course that Dear Leader Kim on his best day.

canuckistani| 9.11.12 @ 8:48AM

He gave the order. No order, no mission, no body.
Junior didn't care, McCain already stated he would not act without Pak approval, and Willard continued his Dervish dance of equivocating on everything.

Back under your rock.

Von Mises Jr| 9.11.12 @ 8:52AM

caucksucki, back under your desk.

canuckistani| 9.11.12 @ 8:56AM

That's it? No more marxist allusions?

TLP| 9.11.12 @ 10:07AM

"All this for a Flag?"

The Fat Assed, America Hating POS - Michelle Obama, at a previous 911 Memorial Service.

canuckistani| 9.11.12 @ 12:46PM

Are you that weak that you cling to symbology?
Sad.

Boar Hunter| 9.11.12 @ 4:18PM

Islam is of Satan. Mo-ham-head was a pedophile.

Alej| 9.11.12 @ 5:05PM

Is your country that weak that, since it depends totally on the United States for its defense, it has a negligible defense budget ?

Yeah, we respect our flag, and the Republic for which it stands. Glad you got all our draft dodgers to keep you company... birds of a feather.

Houdini| 9.11.12 @ 11:15AM

Gave the order? Wrong horsebreath, he gave permission to the boots on the ground (or in the air) to execute an order given years ago by his predecessor to bring Osama to justice dead or alive. The mission was planned and carried out by the U.S. military and intelligence agencies, not by Obama.

Von Mises Jr| 9.11.12 @ 12:08PM

Obama was busy shooting 18 holes in one in a row. I remember that day. Kim was jealous.

canuckistani| 9.11.12 @ 12:50PM

What member of Seal Team Six had to deal with the diplomatic blowback this caused, especially if it failed?

What member of Seal Team Six has taken a demotion for crashing the secret helo and leaving usable evidence behind?

The buck stops with the CnC. Your bigotted little minds can see no further than the mission at hand. Thankfully we have commanders and diplomats that compensate for your inadequacies.

If you want the mantle of Mr. Big in the world stage, you play chess, not checkers.

Drunken Sailor| 9.11.12 @ 2:05PM

Deal with diplomatic blowback. Wow, you got the Seal Team there didn't you. All they had to deal with was dying. Man, Obama sure was brave to come to that decision after only 16 hours to think about it.

Von Mises Jr| 9.11.12 @ 3:28PM

Forget Perp. he renamed himself after his dream: caucksacki.

Boar Hunter| 9.11.12 @ 4:27PM

Obama is a cowardly little bitch. His cocaine addled brain does not function at a level necessary to grasp anything beyond his fear of offending Islam.

allblues| 9.11.12 @ 2:17PM

"He gave the order. No order, no mission, no body."

Sorry, an E4 with 3 months time in grade would have made that call.

spike59| 9.11.12 @ 4:45PM

and wouldn't have agonized for 16 hours to make up his mind

Anthony| 9.11.12 @ 8:47AM

Notice how Obozo, Bitme, Kerry and a whole host of D scum have continuously spiked the football over Osama's death, with narry a worry about upsetting the "Arab Street". No hand wringing by the whores in the MSM either.
Busy was constantly cautioned, chastized, and reprimanded by the left and the MSM for any and all of his actions when Saddam was captured and ultimately killed.
The Rs were warned not to politicize the capture and death of Saddam, but of course, that was the
Ds sucker play that the Rs always fall for.
No such concerns for the golfer-in-chief, who wasn't present when the call was made.
What a pathetic joke the Ds are, and if Obozo wins, this country will be in for its biggest shake up to date!!!!

canuckistani| 9.11.12 @ 8:55AM

Aircraft carrier. Junior in a flight suit. 'nuff said.

No spiking of the ball will EVER trump that hubristic folly.

Ask the veterans of Fallujah how they feel about Junior now.
Ask anyone with a brain and no relationship to war suppliers or zionism what was gained by lying about Iraq and killing 5,000 troops, 50,000 wounded, 500k dead locals, the bankrupting of our budget and the insertion of us into a 1000 year old blood feud.

Ask them, you may be disappointed.

Anthony| 9.11.12 @ 9:13AM

You are a fool, in all your delusional, parallel universe glory. I'll take that chance and ask the American military how they feel about Obozo, as compared to Bush, especially Seal Team 6.

Von Mises Jr| 9.11.12 @ 9:36AM

Anthony, forget caucksucki. It is a troll under the bridge, desk or whatever.

TLP| 9.11.12 @ 10:05AM

"All this for a Flag?"

The Fat Assed, America Hating POS - Michelle Obama, at a previous 911 Memorial Service.

Anthony| 9.11.12 @ 11:47AM

Agreed Von. Keep up your wonderful, insightful comments that we all enjoy.

Boar Hunter| 9.11.12 @ 11:33AM

Once again I recall a bumper sticker I read that stated "The only way to change a liberals mind is with a rock"

canuckistani| 9.11.12 @ 12:06PM

I possess no delusions as most on here gleefully embrace.
The fact that BHO has been the most productive of war presidents, as in most enemy losses per dollar spent, irks you to no end.
Hussein was and is the best foil to Persian projection the world has seen since Alexander. Reagan knew it as did Rummy.

The miscalculation by Daddy Bush in 1989, after the end of the Iran/Iraq war has lead us to this day where the Persians are pegged as the bogeyman. He exposed us and Junior laid us naked.
I suggest we let the Zionists and fat bastards in Riyadh handle this one. Our midas touch in the region has yielded little for real Americans.

Drunken Sailor| 9.11.12 @ 12:17PM

Do you honestly think that if 9/11 happend under Obama's watch he would have gone after Osama in the same manner? A guy who wanted to put terrorist on criminal trial in criminal courts would have gone to war with terrorist? I think not, we would still be demanding he be handed over if the war had not already been in place.

canuckistani| 9.11.12 @ 12:51PM

Iraq sure would not have been the target.

Deal.

Al Adab| 9.11.12 @ 4:53PM

Afghanistan was the target of the response to 9-11. Iraq was a separate action following that nations violation of UN resolutions (remember the wonderful peace keeping UN?) including the violation of the no fly zone all stemming from the Gulf War. Sadly that theater distracted use from fully pursuing the terror network worldwide.

Neither of those countries should still be engaging American troops I agree. The fight must be taken elsewhere but the origins of the two need to be understood not simply used as talking points.

canuckistani| 9.11.12 @ 1:26PM

I really don't care how the military "feels" about any of their CnC's.

If we made policy or decisions on the feelings of troops we would have no mixed race squads - or toilets, or still have able-bodied men and women excluded for adolescent and bigotted reasons. Yet, with all these civilians intrusions, the military has not fallen. Strange, but true. Maybe it is a testament to the hearts and honor of the men and women that choose to wear the uniform and thankfully not the maggots that infest this site.

Take the oath, follow orders. The American people chose BHO, and the troops defend the people's decisions.

Drunken Sailor| 9.11.12 @ 2:07PM

Take it from me, they do so because it is their duty and for a concept the left knows little about, honor. They do it for their country, not for their CnC.

Boar Hunter| 9.11.12 @ 4:28PM

Wow, project much. What a racist piece of crap.

Islam is of satan.

Alej| 9.11.12 @ 5:14PM

"If we made... ." What's this "we" crap?

You're one of thoss scumbags who went to Canada to avoid military service, aren't you? Your bile and your rhetoric all point to that.

"We," my ass.

Skippy| 9.11.12 @ 2:25PM

Since GWB actually was a fighter pilot, unlike the comm disorganizer, I loved him flying onto that carrier whose most recent mission had just been accomplished.
I can see Prince Bambo in his Mom jeans on his bicycle!
I have asked all the Iraq vets I know, and to a man they still support our invasion.
And have the questionable 100k Iraqi dead suddenly risen up and killed 4 more each?
Hey, next time out, claim the dead Iraqis at 500 million, or 500 billion.
Neither GWB nor I will care.

Philo Vaihinger | 9.11.12 @ 8:50AM

"Obama cannot tell us why Osama issued not one, but two fatwas imploring Muslims to kill Americans wherever they might find them. Therefore he cannot tell us why 19 hijackers put those fatwas into action. The reason for this is because Obama says we are not at war with Islam even if a critical part of it is at war with us. Despite this, the words Islamic terrorism will not be spoken by Obama much less appear in the same sentence."

OK, I give up.

Why didn't YOU tell us why?

Patriotica| 9.11.12 @ 9:15AM

WE REMEMBER 9-11
By Chele Stanton

Smoke billows rolled
As planes shattered glass
Concrete and steel
The trees and the grass

An enemy attack
On the Land of the Free
How could this happen
How could this be

Our hearts gripped with fear
In sheer disbelief
Unbearable sorrow
One hardly could speak

As evil sought triumph
Through catastrophic strife
Towers fell and buildings crumbled
Tragically ending innocent lives

We cried out to God
Fell down on our knees
Hugged our families, friends, and strangers
Helping anyone in need

It was a day where we placed
All our differences aside
We were Americans facing tragedy
With courage, tears, and battle-cries

Mike W| 9.11.12 @ 9:23AM

Are you people on drugs? Bush, despite all of this blustering could not kill Osama. That cretin that we elected twice, gave Obama the biggest softball ever handed to someone when he didn't (or wouldn't) do the job and go after Osama.

As a result, we have this liberal disaster in the WH crowing about this victory.

And some of us conservatives have the un-mititaged gall to claim that Obama is weak on terrorism.

Don't interpret me as an Obama guy. I am just so saddened about the catastrophe that was the Bush presidency and what it brought this country. It is a hopeless loss inflicted on us and it gave us the Democrat party in power for perpetuity.

Boar Hunter| 9.11.12 @ 11:40AM

You are a buffoon. A clown and an irredeemable liar.

Obama is a terrorist sympathizing, muslim supporting traitor to the United States of America.

It is in honor of Obama and his repeated apologies to the Muslim world for non-exsistent offenses that I will be burning a Koran tonight.

I suggest everyone that can go to the used book store, but one and share in the joy of watching the flames envelope this evil text of satan.

canuckistani| 9.11.12 @ 12:14PM

Truth hurts, and Mike has nailed it.

How or why bagger xenophobes on here even begin to conjure an opinion on this issue astounds me.
You got duped by the zionists and third templars that infested the intelligence apparati after Willie nearly sued for peace in Israel.

More reports are coming out that the leadership knew an attack was imminent, and did nothing.
Combine this with Wolfowitz's memo about a Pearl Harbor level incident was required to buttress an Iraqi campaign, you have the perfect storm.
All they needed was a pliable, daddy-complicated pres to give the order........

He used Gog and Magog to convince allies, folks.

Wake up!

Drunken Sailor| 9.11.12 @ 12:19PM

Have you looked at a topographical map of Afghanistan? If not do so, then take into account they have building tunnels, hideouts and bunkers there since the Russians were there and tell me again how easy it should have been to find him.

Idiot.

canuckistani| 9.11.12 @ 12:41PM

He was in Pakistan. Idiot.

In a nice house, up the road from a barracks. Idiot.

BHO relied on effective field intelligence, kept it funded and well commanded, and did as he said during the campaign that he would indeed act on clear information even if it was in a sovereign country.
Don't forget, Junior embraced Pakistan with billions of dollars and materiel. Stated before the nation that OBL was not a priority. He underwrote their subterfuge, and we minimize BHO's work here?

Junior gave the same signals to Pakistan that Daddy gave to Hussein in 1990. Think about it and decide what really has been in the best interests of Americans all along.

Drunken Sailor| 9.11.12 @ 12:54PM

Hey idiot, that is where they finally caught him. Not neccesarily where they chased him from. And do you honestly think Pakistans topogrophy is all that different?

Or do you think that we just accidentally found him in the compound by stumbling on the info? Nope, took years of boots on the ground work. Your theory is as full of holes as your head. Just how much aid has Obama witheld from Pakistan since we found out they were hiding him?

Just what has Obama done for Shaki Afridi in return for his help in nailing Osama?

That's what I thought, not a damn thing.

canuckistani| 9.11.12 @ 1:29PM

Big picture, swabby, big picture.

The Seal team did their tactical best, strategy and damage control at the top won the day.

One cannot be successful without the other.

Bill8472| 9.11.12 @ 9:33AM

Obama can't tell us why bin Laden killed 3,000 Americans on 9/11?

Don't you find that a bit odd? After all, bin Laden and his buddies have been telling us as loudly as they can for the past 11 years or more. It's because the West is degenerate, does not believe in Islam, and has caused the degeneration of Arabic culture, and because the fall of the Ottoman Empire brought about a power vacuum which militant Muslims are trying to fill.

I mean, the motivations are pretty easy to understand. It's only when we get into the phony arguments that it's caused by Western imperialism, the Crusades, Arabic poverty (where do they get THAT one from?), and the usual litany of liberal claimed justifications for bad behavior, that we begin to become confused about their motivations. Actually, those motivations are pretty straightforward. Basically, it's "West, get out of the Middle East." Except to buy the oil and keep them rich.

nathan| 9.11.12 @ 10:10AM

You sir get closer to it. Ask yourself this, all of you, do we have a moral, ethical, legal right to be in the middle east? Did the British and the French have a moral, ethical, LEGAL right to occupy the middle east after WWI? Notice how I phrase the question. I didn't refer to right of conquest which isn't really a RIGHT. No one likes to be occupied no matter how noble the motives of the occupiers. I don't see southerners in this country singing the praisers of the "noble" yankees who occupied them after the Civil War, do you? Those southerners behaved much the way the Iraqis and Afghanis are. Civil disobedience, outright criminal actions. Read the stories about what they did in MS(?) and how the local military commander asked President Grant for more troops to suppress what was an outright second rebellion and how Grant ignored calls for help. Nothing new here really.

As Pat said, did we/do we need to be in these places? Or just buy the oil (yes they will sell it to us) and let the various flavors of islam (how many 4 at least maybe a whole lot more) focus on killing each other instead of us. Which as we see in Iraq right now is exactly what they're doing. (Thanks in part to horribly drawn national maps by those "noble" British imperialists so many people like to praise. Blah.)

Occam's Tool| 9.11.12 @ 10:23AM

Actually, Nathan, as a man married to a Southerner, with inlaws who are Southerners, I know a lot of them who are happy to be Americans and happy the South lost. They don't believe slavery was a good thing. By the way, I still maintain my Alabama license. I practiced there for 7 years. Were you aware that Winston County, AL, home of the 1st 911 system in the US, seceeded from Alabama when Alabama seceeded from the US? I figured not, since you don't know much.

nathan| 9.11.12 @ 10:58AM

I'm a southerner too sir. Five generations. Parts of TN tried to secede from the Confederacy for that matter.

However when we look at the direct aftermath of the war we saw guerilla actions despite Lee's injunction not to. Actions against freed blacks, now citizens were horrible, illegal and unconstitutional and would persist well into the next century. We constantly see references throughout much of the south to the noble "lost cause". And don't fool yourself the south seceded for one thing and one thing only, slavery.

Explain if you will the stars and bars everywhere. Yes I know it reflects bravery, all that nonsense. But it's offensive to blacks and in horribly bad taste. I would suggest that well raised polite southerners would have gotten rid of that flag long time ago. But they use it to glorify a secession movement that took place for one reason and one reason only.

Argue with me all you want but I majored in southern history at a southern school with some really good instructors and have traveled throughout the region. I actually plan to retire there. But I prefer to see the south as it is, not as many southerners want to see it. T. Harry Williams ring a bell? He was an instructor of mine (not at LSU though.) I'll go head to head with you or anyone else here on the south ANY time. BRING IT ON! LOL

canuckistani| 9.11.12 @ 12:31PM

Nate, the South has suckled from the Yankee tit ever since they were dragged into the 19th century by smarter men.

Clinging to God and guns while their children become stupid and flaccid is a testament to rural/tribal influences more than anything else.

They so willingly accept subordinatcy, they would vote for a cultist robberbaron over the exotic that has begun to repair the wreckage created by the last redneck in chief so soon ago.

I feel for you, surrounded by good people led astray by nefarious forces.

Bill8472| 9.11.12 @ 12:52PM

I cling to God and guns. What else would I cling to, nature worship (I've actually experienced nature), notions of the Brotherhood of Man, and singing "Kumbayah?" God and guns mean something. The other stuff is just faddism.

And I'm about as Yankee as they come. My ancestors came to Massachusetts in 1620, moved west to Vermont, then west again to New York. We don't have a single Southerner in our ranks, and I'm the only one who has spent even ten seconds south of the Mason-Dixon Line.

canuckistani| 9.11.12 @ 1:31PM

Rednecks are not bound by geography, Bill.

It is a state of mind.

If you cling to God and Guns, then do something positive with them.

Skippy| 9.11.12 @ 2:48PM

Glad to!
Just stick your head out of the sewer where you dwell and I will do something positive with them.

Bill8472| 9.12.12 @ 10:09AM

I do. I'm a certified NRA handgun instructor.

I shoot handguns, depending on how you score my targets (individual scores or aggregate scores) at either a Bar 1 or a Bar 5 Sharpshooter level (a moderately good shot with with a handgun).

I teach handgun shooting in Personal Defense courses, so as to foster good shooting and good pistol handling practices in others.

Alej| 9.11.12 @ 5:35PM

Glanced at a red state - blue state map lately ? Socialists are "smarter" than independent-minded Southerners ?

The culture of welfare/unionized cowards.

Alej| 9.11.12 @ 5:28PM

"And don't fool yourself the south seceded for one thing and one thing only, slavery."

Might ought to try to get some of your tuition money back. Did you learn anything about interstate tariffs that made it more economical for the South to trade cotton with Europe for manufactured goods than to send their produce north, even absorbing the cost of shipping both ways ? Unquestioningly soaking up crap from university professors and ignoring independently obtained historical information is part of the OWS theory.

Or did you mostly major in advanced dissection of "Uncle Tom's Cabin?"

Bill8472| 9.11.12 @ 12:24PM

Shelby Foote, a Tennessean, in his 3-volume history of the Civil War, has characterized the attitude of the South to the Northern victory as something they fought, but now, after a century and a half, accept as an acceptable resolution of the conflict between the two segments of the nation. He opines that Southerners think somethng like "It (the Southern defeat) was probably for the best in the long run."

Bill8472| 9.11.12 @ 12:43PM

One of my buddies, an Alabaman, says, "Try telling that to a Georgian whose great-grandmother got raped on the lawn in front of the burning Big House by a Yankee cavalryman while his squad rounded up the pigs and chickens."

Touche.

nathan| 9.11.12 @ 1:42PM

I agree. Sherman was ghastly on his march to the sea. George Thomas is easily the best general on either side. Lee's behavior in PA can not be excused. (Yeah let's grab any black we can find and bring them back to VA. They have to be all slaves right? No they weren't.) But I love the south warts and all having spent so much time growing up there. But I do distinguish between southerners and rednecks which I agree you can find anywhere even in the north where I grew up. But still carry me back to old virginny (written by a former slave who lived there by the way) any day.

Skippy| 9.11.12 @ 2:50PM

I love Sherman,
his troops loved him,
the Union loved him,
and you hate him.
Why is that not a surprise?

Drunken Sailor| 9.11.12 @ 3:46PM

Love him or hate him Sherman knew that Rules of Engagement were for fools. If you're going to war, go all in, not today's kill them softly routine. Make the S.O.B.'s think twice before they cross you again.

TLP| 9.11.12 @ 6:35PM

Absolutely.

My Favourite General of all time.

Bill8472| 9.12.12 @ 10:13AM

Sherman's my candidate for the best Northern general. Yes, he tore the heart out of the South. But frankly, that was his job, to win the war. If the Confederate troops could have done it to, say, Pennsylvania or Ohio, they would have. Sherman had the modern attitude toward total war.

Boar Hunter| 9.11.12 @ 11:44AM

You have a lot in common with Islam, both of you are of the devil.

AmericanCynic| 9.11.12 @ 6:02PM

Try to make SOME sense in your posts, would ya?

Bill8472| 9.11.12 @ 12:21PM

Well, the Arabic tribes were nomadic, and they didn't lay claim to any particular land. The Near East except for Syria, was largely desert and upopulated, so people moved through it pretty much at will. Near the Mediterranean, the people who occuped the fertile west of the highlands and the Sea of Galilee were Syrian and Hebrew, not Arabic. The Arabs roamed nomadically in Saudi Arabia well to the south and east of the Mediterranean. The Persians were settled east of the Fertile Crescent; the Babylonians settled in the eastern part of the Fertile Crescent, Mesopotamia.

All of that land, with the arguable exception of the Persian Empire and Syria, was largely unclaimed by anyone and was fought over repeatedly up to the time of the Roman Empire, and after the fall, subsequent to that.

So while I'd agree that the English interest in the Middle and Near East is more geographically remote than the Islamic interest, both claimed the land through the mechanisms of war, the English through World War I treaty claims (to which the Ottoman Empire was a party) and the Muslims through conquest.

So I'm having a little trouble following your reasoning.

Bill8472| 9.11.12 @ 12:38PM

Furthermore, I was being overbroad if I characterized the English interest in the Middle East as any sort of claim to ownership. The English did colonize Egypt, but the Middle Eastern states (to the extent they could be called states) were occupied by the Brits (among others) as League of Nations protectorates, not as colonies or as English satellites.

Americans, Brits, and the Dutch were invited into the Middle East to drill for oil in the early years of the 20th Century, and they built the entire oil-drilling and refining infrastructure of the Middle East, which the various nations of the Middle East then took for their own, justifying that theft of billions of 1950s-value dollars of investment in the name of "nationalization" in the 1950s. And the Western nations stood still for it; after all, what politician was going to get agitated about the Arabs taking Western private industrial improvements for their own? Hell, Stalin was taking entire countries a lot closer to home and we were letting him do that.

nathan| 9.11.12 @ 1:52PM

Sir: Did the people living there see the difference between protectorate and colony? Probably not. The Arabs who fought to destroy the Ottomans alongside Lawrence didn't think they were getting "protectorate" or in other words, exchanging one ruler for another. Lawrence felt they got screwed over and fought to correct what he considered a serious injustice until he died.

The Jews didn't like the British either. They may have fought with them during WWII but they fought against them just as much. Hanna Arendt (here I go again, quoting people, how ghastly of me) who coined the term "banality of evil" in reference to the H0locaust characterized the Irgun (Rahm Emmanuel's daddy was a member) attack on the King David Hotel as a terrorist act. She has "lots" of credibility. So the British "protectorate" was seen to the people being protected as a colonizing situation to them.

And you're wrong at least with Iran. When Mossedegh nationalized their oil Eishenhower overthrew that government using street thugs and installed the shah. And you wonder why they don't like us.

Bill8472| 9.12.12 @ 10:17AM

I bet the Israelis themselves would agree that the King David Hotel incident was an act of terrorism. They'd probably also agree that the Israeli assassination of that British ambassador, I forget his name, was a terrorist act.

I don't wonder why the Muslims don't like us; they've clamored for the conversion or death of all non-Muslims, most particularly Christians and Jews, for something like 1400 years. During their first couple of centuries, in fact right up to 1621, they did pretty well at working to accomplish that, too. We stopped them at Vienna; now they're on the march again.

Bill8472| 9.12.12 @ 10:45AM

Jewish, not Israeli. There was no Israel when the Irgun or Haganah or whoever it was assassinated the Brit.

nathan| 9.11.12 @ 1:55PM

In any case nice talking to you. You at least don't call me name and actually throw facts at me. Thank you. Very enjoyable. I appreciate it. I really do.

Bill8472| 9.11.12 @ 1:02PM

We (whoever "we" is) have both moral/ethical and legal rights to be in the Middle East. I have discussed the moral right below. The legal rights turn on the treaties we have with Middle Eastern states.

Bill8472| 9.11.12 @ 1:05PM

I should have said "above." My bad.

TLP| 9.11.12 @ 10:04AM

"All this for a Flag?"

The Fat Assed, America Hating POS - Michelle Obama, at a previous 911 Memorial Service.

Occam's Tool| 9.11.12 @ 10:21AM

When I came back from New Zealand, I had two job offers---one was the one I took, and the other would have been in Darnell Medical Center in Fort Hood, in the Department of Psychiatry.

I have a great boss, and at least once a month, I thank him for saving my life. What the DoD has done with their whitewash of the reasons for the shooting is a travesty.

It was Islam, pure and simple, and jihad.

nathan| 9.11.12 @ 12:16PM

All 1 billion of them? (Whatever the number.) You don't know a SINGLE muslim that doesn't want to kill everyone right? That isn't committed to installing sharia in this country by any means possible right?

Explain if you will then the results of the NYPD effort after 911. They did their best to infiltrate the muslim community, mosques, cafes, YOU NAME IT. Looking for signs of unrest, jihad, murder all of it. Thorough is our understanding of their efforts.

Tell us sir if you know what they came up with. Do you know?

Nothing.

Nothing actionable. How can that be sir? They ALL want to kill us. They go home at night thinking of ways to do it. Explain this to us. If you can. And this is similar to other studies done abroad. Most muslims broadly want to be left alone.

You who are so much more learned than me explain the NYPD results to the rest of us. Please.

canuckistani| 9.11.12 @ 12:25PM

Don't bother, Nate.

These guys believe the vomit that egests from their megachurches that suggest a cultist like Willard is a thousand times more preferred than the exotic we have now, or that the Third Temple will be built in our lifetimes, ushering in the rapture and the Messiah's return.

The problem is that this rhetoric is identical to the Mahdi mysticism that the Persian clerics possess.
The other problem is that the US actually acted on these impulses in Iraq, Persia has not.

We have no high ground to possess on this issue.

Bill8472| 9.11.12 @ 1:19PM

"...the vomit that egests from their megachurches..."

Wow, impressive.

Please let me suggest a reading of George Orwell's essay Politics and the English Language.

canuckistani| 9.11.12 @ 1:35PM

I've read his stuff. Apropos, I think.

You have a president using Gog and Magog in a sentence with a world leader. That is terrifying and mystifying at the same time.

You have preachers trying to fast-track the rapture due to an obvious mental disorder, and we permit our foreign policy to be subject to this?

The zionist and third templar should be alien to eachother, but they are not. We should be scared.

Skippy| 9.11.12 @ 2:52PM

We are.
Of you.
What we cling to should fix that, though.

Alej| 9.11.12 @ 5:40PM

Can't wait, Skippy. Enemy soldiers are one thing... traitors, quite another.

Bill8472| 9.12.12 @ 10:19AM

Sorry, you lost me there.

Tom Kyba| 9.11.12 @ 1:32PM

You sound disappointed.

Purp| 9.11.12 @ 11:27AM

More Truth about 9/11 and how it wasn irresponsibly not stopped -
"Throughout that summer, there were events that might have exposed the plans, had the government been on high alert. Indeed, even as the Aug. 6 brief was being prepared, Mohamed al-Kahtani, a Saudi believed to have been assigned a role in the 9/11 attacks, was stopped at an airport in Orlando, Fla., by a suspicious customs agent and sent back overseas on Aug. 4. Two weeks later, another co-conspirator, Zacarias Moussaoui, was arrested on immigration charges in Minnesota after arousing suspicions at a flight school. But the dots were not connected, and Washington did not react.

Could the 9/11 attack have been stopped, had the Bush team reacted with urgency to the warnings contained in all of those daily briefs? We can’t ever know. And that may be the most agonizing reality of all."

Anthony| 9.11.12 @ 12:00PM

Purp, You truly are a NY Times revisionist moron. 9/11 would not have happened if Clinton had not declined taking action on Bin Laden TWICE.
First was the offer to take him into custody, which Clinton refued to act upon. Second, when he was spotted and targeted by the military, but Clinton declined to take him out because of civilians in the area.
Clinton ignored the first World Trade Center bombing and called it a "criminal", as opposed to a terrorist act. Clinton refused to acknowledge it as anything other than a random criminal act, which we all knew was bullshit.
Now, who didn't connect the dots, moron??

canuckistani| 9.11.12 @ 12:20PM

That's not the point. The target was Iraq, not terrorists.
They got their pretext, hook line and sinker, and we happily jumped over the cliff with more blood and treasure.
Now the target is the Persians, a country that has had zero aggressive wars for 300 years.

It is a complicated state, and a complicated culture. They know that any aggressive move on Israel is suicide. This is about Saudi Arabia, nothing more.

Bill8472| 9.11.12 @ 1:10PM

The "Persians" you refer to are not the enemy. In fact, a significant number of Persians are looking to the U.S. to assist them in revolting the Arab-dominated Muslims who are running the nation.

Notice that the leader of Iran bears an Arabic name, Achmadinejad. And "Persia" if you will was conquered by Arabic Muslims; it was not Muslim or Arabic to begin with. The Persian people were called Aryans and their religion was Zoroastrianism, later they voluntarily adopted Christianity. When Islam conquered Persia, the people were offered their choice between their chosen religions and Islam at the point of the sword.

Bill8472| 9.11.12 @ 1:13PM

By the way, I found it interesting when I learned it, that the name "Iran" means "land of the Aryans."

Just thought I'd share that with you.

canuckistani| 9.11.12 @ 1:42PM

The Persian reference is to draw a clear delineation between the factions. Condi Rice and the rest of the Junior appartus made the mistake of equating Iran with Iraq many many times.

Any Iranian with an ounce of pride will not consider themselves Arabic. The Persian disposition is a rich, thorough culture that has survived thousands of years. Not unlike Jewry.

The regime in place now does not represent pan-Iranian values. They will fall. The Persian people have been net contributers to culture and reason. They beg for the day to resume that path.

Bill8472| 9.12.12 @ 10:37AM

Well, it's a very common mistake for people to say "Iraq" when they mean "Iran" and vice-versa.

Yes, the Secretary of State should know better. How often, and when, has Ms. Rice made that mistake? It's certainly no worse than President Obama referring to the "57" sovereign states in the United States.

I bet even some Canadians make that one.

Bill8472| 9.11.12 @ 1:06PM

I don't suppose you would be willing to credit that quotation to somebody, would you?

sickofit5| 9.11.12 @ 11:49AM

"Suppose if bin Laden had been killed under President Bush's watch." If that were to have happened just before this group came to office and suppose he would have also taken out Al-Awlaki I'll tell you what would have happened. Eric Holder and the World Court would have been going after Bush, Cheny et. al. for war crimes. Don't get me wrong, the fact that they were taken out and the manner in which they were taken out was fine with me but does anyone doubt, after the way Holder went after the CIA interviewers, that he wouldn't have gone after them.

canuckistani| 9.11.12 @ 12:34PM

Supposition. The safe harbor of apologists.

Bill8472| 9.11.12 @ 1:11PM

How facile. Well played.

Tom Kyba| 9.11.12 @ 1:34PM

Also the truth. But you aren't here to debate truth are you?

canuckistani| 9.11.12 @ 1:45PM

I prefer facts. Truth can be messed up by distorted worldviews.

AmericanCynic| 9.11.12 @ 5:59PM

Great reply. A lot of these Righty-Too-Tighties have their own "truth."

Butch| 9.11.12 @ 7:35PM

I prefer the truth, myself, old man. It is what it is. And . . . it will set you free.

Bill8472| 9.12.12 @ 10:21AM

The truth can take many forms, depending on one's perspective. It's possible to have one's own truth.

What you can't have is your own facts.

Mistral| 9.11.12 @ 2:46PM

I have to laugh ironically of course at Americans who accuse of undemocratic values, Russia and other countries the US govt decides at any particular time to disapprove of. You just do not want to face up to the fact that since 9/11 you have lost freedom after freedom starting from the Patriot Act and following. You can be arrested and detained without warrant; without right to a lawyer; without time limit; even tortured and many other "privileges" if you are suspected of terrorism. This as we know can be exploited under any pretense if officialdom does not like you for any particular reason.
Also, the govt has taxed you to the tune of 5 trillion dollars for the privilege of unwarranted military interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan etc. All of this has been implemented without the approval of the majority of Americans. And you imagine this is not indicative of tyrannical govt?
The US govt is not interested in the truth. It spends vast sums of money on revising the facts behind events and assasinations for reasons of state.
Osama Bin Laden? This is a sick joke. Look for the answer closer to home. You have a POTUS who hides his real past at considerable legal expense. The establishment supports this in silent complicity. So it does too with regard to the truth behind the most appalling act ever of white-collar crime.
http://video.pbs.org/video/227.....me=1200000

Bill8472| 9.12.12 @ 10:31AM

What freedoms have been curtailed by the Patriot Act? Arrest without a warrant? Who's been arrested without a warrant, the terrorist POWs? By the way, there are many perfectly legitimate arrests without warrants carried out in America every day, and there have been since time immemorial. No warrant is required for detention. Reasonable suspicion is required for detention. As far as I know, everyone arrested in the War on Terror is entitled to an attorney, although only American citizens are entitled to one under our Constitution; we're doing the terrorists a favor. Yes, POWs are held without time limit despite any moves they might make to be released (in fact the huge majority of the terrorists we have held over the years have been released by military tribunals). Yep, it's arguably true that prisoners have been tortured. And they're suing the stuffing out of us for it.

None of those things is happening in Russia.

We're not being taxed 5 trillion dollars; President Obama bears the responsibility for creating an additional 5 trillion dollars of debt that will eventually have to be paid off. Some of that, a big part, will have to paid for in raised taxes, it's true. So you're arguably right; that's why Obama has to go this year, before he drives us into another 5 trillion in debt.

But no, the United States and the Patriot Act are not the great oppressors you want to call them.

Are you REALLY going to compare Russia to the U.S. on the freedom front? Really?

Mistral| 9.12.12 @ 11:31AM

That's the major problem for many of you "patriotic" Americans. You are so much in denial you did not read what I said -"patriot Act and following....[i.e., legislation]" Also, you have paid up to 5 trillion dollars of taxpayers money (where else does it come from - Bush and Obama's pockets?) for the military industrial complex's mess from Iraq onwards.
The US govt is oppressive and it has the means in place to watch how you behave using satellite and internet technology. It uses this and acts where it pleases. There have been protests by Americans and others of us against the US govt's attempts to censor the Internet. What planet do you live on?

Surly Curmudgen| 9.11.12 @ 7:45PM

Obama and the Democrats seem to hold Islam in great esteem yet they deny GOD three times. Are they hypocrites or is alla a nickname for Satan?

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