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Buckeye Battleground
In Ohio, Romney fights back against Obama’s campaign of “anger and hate.”
REYNOLDSBURG, Ohio — Even while liberals were telling themselves that Mitt Romney had made a “risky” or even “disastrous” choice in picking Paul Ryan as his running mate, America got a rather startling reminder that President Obama’s running mate isn’t exactly a model of rhetorical responsibility. Romney spent Tuesday speaking to large and enthusiastic crowds in Ohio, on the same day Vice President Joe Biden was in Virginia committing one of the most remarkable blunders in campaign history. Speaking to a largely black audience of Democrats in Danville, Biden said that Romney’s policies would “put y’all back in chains.”
Biden’s notorious history of gaffes — he once asked a paraplegic Democrat to stand up at a campaign event — immediately led most political observers to assume that this was another classic “There Goes Joe” moment. However, when the Obama campaign refused to disavow Biden’s comment, the suspicion grew that the remark was a deliberate, officially-approved provocation. “A slavery metaphor aimed squarely at black listeners,” as Hot Air blogger Allahpundit called it, intended to demonize the Romney-Ryan ticket and inflame racial hostility toward the Republicans.
A few hours after Biden’s Virginia speech, Romney rolled into Zanesville, Ohio, for a brief campaign stop at an ice-cream parlor. Eric Fehrnstrom, one the Massachusetts governor’s top strategists, shook his head in astonishment when asked about the “chains” accusation. “Outrageous,” he said. “It just goes to show you when the Obama campaign gets in a scrape, they scrape the bottom.”
Noting that a pro-Obama super-PAC ad recently accused Romney of causing a woman to die from cancer, Fehrnstrom said that “the more desperate” the Democrats get, the more they “ratchet up the rhetoric.” Fehrnstrom said the Obama campaign had a reason to be desperate: Two national tracking polls — from Gallup and Rasmussen — released Tuesday showed Romney moving ahead, evidently boosted by the addition of Ryan to the GOP ticket. If Biden’s remark was indeed evidence of the Obama campaign’s “desperate” effort to boost black turnout, it might be because other traditionally Democratic constituencies may not be excited about re-electing Obama.
Romney began his Ohio tour Tuesday with a rally at a coal mine in Beallsville, highlighting the coal industry’s importance to the local economy — and the hostility of the president’s policies toward that industry. Hundreds of muscular miners in hardhats, wearing stickers with the slogan “Stop Obama’s War on Coal,” cheered and applauded Romney as he asked a rhetorical question, “We have 250 years of coal, why the heck wouldn’t we use it?” Near the West Virginia state line, Beallsville is in Monroe County, which Obama carried by nine points over Republican John McCain in 2008, but the Democratic administration’s energy and environmental policies have estranged many miners and their families. Even the United Mine Workers, the union once bossed by current AFL-CIO chief Richard Trumka, has hesitated to endorse Obama this year. Referring to the administration’s plans to limit coal-fired electrical power plants, the UMW’s spokesman told the Washington Times, “Our members aren’t stupid… they see what this means,”
From Beallsville, the Romney bus rolled on to Zanesville for an event that highlighted the GOP candidate’s support for small businesses like Tom’s Ice Cream Bowl. It gave the Republican another chance to jab at Obama’s derision of entrepreneurial independence. Romney’s rebuttal — “You did build that!” — has become one of the biggest applause lines of his speeches in recent weeks.
Mitt may have been jabbing in Zanesville, but he saved his heaviest punches for the final stop of his Ohio trip. Apparently, Biden’s “chains” remark had an unintended consequence: It offended Romney, producing a transformation that was somewhat like watching the mild-mannered scientist Bruce Banner turn into the Incredible Hulk. Romney arrived to a hero’s welcome in Chillicothe, where he was greeted by a pumped-up Republican crowd estimated at 5,000 or more. He did not disappoint them, delivering a fiery speech that took direct aim at the Democrats’ increasingly divisive campaign tactics.
“This is an election in which we should be talking about the path ahead,” Romney told the crowd in front of the Ross County Courthouse, “but you don’t hear any answers coming from President Obama’s re-election campaign. That’s because he’s intellectually exhausted, out of ideas, and out of energy. And so his campaign has resorted to diversions and distractions, to demagoguing and defaming others. This is an old game in politics; what’s different this year is that the president is taking things to a new low.”
Romney accused the Obama campaign of making “wild and reckless accusations that disgrace the office of the Presidency,” specifically referring to the “outrageous charge [that] came a few hours ago in Virginia.… This is what an angry and desperate Presidency looks like. President Obama knows better, he promised better and America deserves better.”
The crowd erupted in cheers, and Romney continued: “Over the last four years, this President has pushed Republicans and Democrats as far apart as they can go. And now he and his allies are pushing us all even further apart by dividing us into groups. He demonizes some. He panders to others. His campaign strategy is to smash America apart and then cobble together 51 percent of the pieces.
“If an American president wins that way, we all lose,” Romney said, pausing slightly before adding: “But he won’t win that way.”
That elicited another huge cheer from the Chillicothe crowd, and Romney then invoked the words of the Pledge of Allegiance — “America is one nation under God” — building up a patriotic call to unity that referred to “monuments that list those who have given their lives,” and leading into the harshest rebuke of all: “Mr. President, take your campaign of division and anger and hate back to Chicago and let us get about rebuilding and reuniting America.”
Romney continued from there outlining his own plans and policies, and ended by reminding his Ohio audience that there were just 84 days — twelve weeks — remaining until Election Day. He urged them to talk to their friends and neighbors, to help persuade them to vote Republican in November, in what is almost certain once more to be the decisive battleground state. “One more vote can make the difference in Ohio,” Romney said. “And Ohio will make the difference for America.”
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Robert Stacy McCain is co-author (with Lynn Vincent) of Donkey Cons: Sex, Crime, and Corruption in the Democratic Party (Nelson Current). He blogs at The Other McCain.
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spike59| 8.15.12 @ 6:33AM
EVERY single time the ObaMao camp comes out with one of their over-the-top sleaze missiles, Romney needs to give it the 'there he goes again' treatment; preferably with a dismissive chuckle and a shake of the head. mockery absolutely enrages 'the chosen One'
JimH| 8.15.12 @ 7:54AM
True. Don’t ignore these comments but a dismissive chuckle is far more effective than righteous indignation. This was one of the Gipper’s secrets.
Prester John| 8.15.12 @ 10:14AM
Ridicule them, laugh at them, ridicule some more, and watch their heads explode.
spike59| 8.17.12 @ 5:53AM
make sure you have John Sununu plaster ObaMao stickers on their foreheads first...
Mimi | 8.15.12 @ 6:41AM
The "DIRT" will continue to fly.....and it must be confronted. Mitt just proved he can do just that and still look every bit Presidential....Hope he realizes he has found a NEW TALENT...todo this and stay Gentlemenly is an ART !!
TLP| 8.15.12 @ 9:24AM
Mimi is exactly right, and the Republican Establishment Karl Rove types, wanna repeat the Unmitigated Disaster, that was Rove's decision to NOT RESPOND to Viscious, Libelous Attacks, because "That would be beneath the decorum of the Office of the President".
We're going up against a Fckng Street Radical, Alinskyite, who will Say Anything, and Do Anything to keep Power, and To Hell with the Office of the President!
By any means necessary.
After the last 4 Years, of Unbridled Liberal Progressive Marxism?
We can't afford Marquise of Queensbury.
This is KICK IN THE BALLS time.
C'mon Man!| 8.15.12 @ 1:56PM
"Take your campaign...of hate back to Chicago." Probably the line of the season. Love it!
Occam's Tool| 8.15.12 @ 8:07PM
Tim:
You are correct...but Mitt should take the high road and find himself a Gollum, like Clinton had. There's enough available on Obama to do dirty tricks galore on...
Here's to the Nad Punch!
spike59| 8.17.12 @ 5:54AM
how is anyone going to get close enough to punch Moochelle's purse, tho?
Von Mises Jr| 8.15.12 @ 6:45AM
Paul Ryan has made Obama and Biden come unhinged. It is because Ryan can explain what "Redistribution of Wealth" means to the average American.
Obama took $716 billion from Medicare to help fund ObamaCare. This means that if you worked all your life and paid into Medicare, Obama took your contributions and gave them to those that did not work and even those here illegally. In 2023 or before, Medicare goes broke, so you will no longer receive the medical care you paid for in your taxes.
It is not any better for the younger voters. Social Security was just accelerated by four years to go broke in 2037. So if you are 40 years old or younger, you will pay Medicare and social Security taxes your entire life (about 15% of your income counting employer contributions) and you will not receive one thin dime.
It was one thing when Obama bought a car company or two for his union buddies and we thought it was just the "fat cat" bond holders that got screwed. But as we now find out that GM stock that went from $39 to $20 is now slated to lose another $25 billion more that the tax payers are on the hook for. While the numbers keep changing, including the $50B tax break, electric cars that explode in your garage will cost the citizens about $100B in taxes.
This is what "Redistribution of Wealth" looks like, and Ryan is just the guy that can explain it on the campaign trail. No wonder the Preezy and Creepy Veep are panicked.
CJW| 8.15.12 @ 8:22AM
Von
It is amazing to see the MSM and Dems ignore or deny that Obama took 700 billion from Medicare for Obamacare. So there is 700 billion less to pay doctors and hospitals. How does that improve medical care for retirees? And who benefits from the 700 billion? The disabled are already on Medicaid and Medicare through SSI and SS disability. Most welfare recipients are on Medicaid. Part of spreading the wealth, take from those who worked and paid the Medicare tax and give it to others.
Purp| 8.15.12 @ 8:45AM
Romney/Ryan takes the same 716 Billion. The difference is that they take it from Seniors and give it the rich, while Obama takes it from the hospitals, doctors, etc. - the providers to lower cost - and gives it back to Seniors in closing the donut hole and free physicals and cancer screenings.
You're lying about benefits to be received.
You should understand how the stock market works - stocks go up and down, now don't they? That's the market - and Romney/Ryan want Social Security and Medicare thrown to the whims of the marketplace - not government guaranteed insurances. It's that simple.
At least try to have an honest debate.
CJW| 8.15.12 @ 8:50AM
Purpie, you are not here for an honest debate. You are here only to try to distract. You are a liar, fit only for mocking and ridicule.
Von Mises Jr| 8.15.12 @ 9:43AM
Ignore the communist propagandist, CJW.
Debbie "Sergeant" Shultz lied for three minutes refusing to even accept the fact that Obama shredded Medicare. But it was on CNN with Wolfie Blitzed, so nobody saw it.
Jack London| 8.15.12 @ 10:13AM
Purp is correct about Medicare. What is wrong with what he said?
Von Mises Jr| 8.15.12 @ 10:33AM
Jack, why don't you go back to London and wait in line next time you need an operation. We will chip in for the boat ride since you won't need to get there in a hurry by plane.
George S| 8.15.12 @ 12:30PM
The absence of logic. If Ryan's budget was prior to ObamaCare, why would the plan reduce Medicare by the astounding coincidental amount of 716 billion? On the other hand, ObamaCare -- with its 716 billion hit -- is the law and Ryan has to take that as a reality. Unlike the phantom budget of the White House never passed by Harry Reid's senate, Ryan at least has the balls to put up a proposal.
So the clever dynamic duo here take Obama's slashing of Medicare and paint it onto Romney. The same way they take the March 2009 stimulus and tack it onto GW Bush because the 747 billion was in the FY2008 budget, which started in October 2008.
Jack London| 8.15.12 @ 1:27PM
You haven't got the faintest idea how the two Medicare proposals really differ, have you George. Stop watching Fox – it will destroy what little critical thinking you have.
George S| 8.15.12 @ 2:40PM
First: these are not Medicare "proposals", they are funding proposals (even you can understand that) and only ONE party has put out a proposal we can see, touch and read.
Second: does the 716 billion that Obama allocated to ObamaCare from Medicare become a fallacy because FoxNews reported it?
Third: Obama admitted to ABC News back in 2009 that one third of the funding for ObamaCare comes from CUTS to Medicare and that he would VETO any attempt by the Congress to restore it. He is on camera speaking without anyone's arm ups his ass.
That is a historical fact. So now you tell me a historical fact that outlines Obama's "Medicare Plan" prior to Ryan being selected. Please use one of Obama's budgets (don't care, 2010, 11 or 12) that back up his funding proposals for Medicare.
You're right, screw Fox. Let's you and me talk details, not opinion.
Von Mises Jr| 8.15.12 @ 3:16PM
George S, here is Obama admitting that HE cut Medicare to fund one-third of ObamaCare:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/da.....t_medicare
These are Obama's own words in an interview with Jacob Tapper. He just never expected to have to defend it since the MSM would not report it. But now Romney/Ryan is taking the message directly to the people just as Ronald Reagan did. Forget the MSM and forget Jack on Crack.
Jack London| 8.15.12 @ 3:25PM
Read the post from Purp below - he has a very succinct summary. Or read this about Ryan from teh 'token lefty' on Forbes:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ri.....-democrats
But you're right, I mis-spoke – Obamacare isn't a proposal - it's the law. No one in the Dems is saying re shouldn't make savings. But with Obama, seniors keep their existing benefits while we drive cost out.
George S| 8.15.12 @ 3:51PM
The Forbes article conspicuously leaves out the fact that Medicare will be bankrupt in 10 years and that nothing Obama has done will change that fact. The article glosses over "Obama's budget" proposal. Just one problem... where is it? The author does not help us dissect it the way he dissects Ryans proposal (based on this year's current baseline spending which is why that article is an exercise in sophistry -- Ryan's budget plans 1.4 trillion in reductions which changes the whole dynamic of the author's GDP argument).
Nice try, though.
Jack London| 8.15.12 @ 4:12PM
Our whole healthcare system is heading for broke. Nothing new there - but Obama is the only president who's addressed the key issue, which is value-bass and evidence-based healthcare. That's the only wat we will drive down costs without throwing granny off the cliff. And by the way - the Ryan budgets would drive the deficit up to incredible levels unless he says what tax breaks he will eliminate. What do you think he would do? He hasn't said.
George S| 8.15.12 @ 5:11PM
What gives you the impression that Obama and Sibelius (both lawyers) have the answers to our health care needs? Jack, medicine is an art as much as a science. A doctor treating an illness will know, for example, that X, Y, or Z are viable options but for a specific patient only Y may work based on hunch or intimate knowledge of the patient. If that option is deemed too expensive by a government best practices board -- based on statistics showing high failure rates -- then that patient may be denied that care (if the physician is to be reimbursed). So if value based cost control is paramount, then options must be limited. There is no other way; yet Ryan is the wheelchair pusher? You're not being objective.
What evidence is there that "Ryan budgets would drive the deficit up to incredible levels" to counter the plan's proposed reductions? Remember: only one proposal is on the table for us to see, touch and read. And why will that be averted by simply announcing which tax breaks will be eliminated? That doesn't make sense.
You are stuck on the notion that if only millionaires pay a few more percentage points of marginal taxes all this can magically go away; Medicare will be saved and we can get all the free, quality health care we want -- just like Obama.
Jack London| 8.15.12 @ 5:27PM
You're talking nonsense George. Go read up on it. I'll leave you with one thought: why is it that all other western countries do pretty much as well historically as us but with a much higher federal % of GDP - and also do well with universal welfare and health, which we do not.
TLP| 8.15.12 @ 5:43PM
Actually, when asked in an interview if he would Promise to Veto any attempts to put the Money that he CUT from Medicare, BACK INTO MEDICARE, he said "YES".
Please, cut the Bullshit on this.
It's all on Tape.
TLP| 8.15.12 @ 5:47PM
And, as to the most Classic Comment in TAS History?
That would be Jackass From London's - "Read the post from Purp below - he has a very succinct summary."
Stupider Words have never been uttered?
George S| 8.15.12 @ 6:02PM
The biggest reason, Jack, is that our military has relieved those countries of the expense of defending themselves so they can spend their tax dollars on socialist utopia. Ever wonder why their taxes are so high but can't pay their bills even though they've never financed a war? Yes, they are reeeeally doing well over there in Greece, Span, Italy and Portugal with France now quickly falling apart along with them. They have run out of other people's money.
Occam's Tool| 8.15.12 @ 8:11PM
London: they don't do as well---have you ever seen the number of wheelchair bound patients overseas waiting for surgeries? I have.
You, sir, are ignorant. Profoundly so.
Occam's Tool| 8.15.12 @ 8:25PM
And they don't do "pretty much as well as us..."
Have you ever LIVED abroad in a supposed 1st world country, Jack? Ever tried to dry your clothes with a drier made by (wait for it) SMEG? (The best brand in New Zealand)
You don't know how good you have it, asshole.
chuck| 8.15.12 @ 9:29PM
Spot on, OT! These assholes who complain how bad it is here, and we should be more like.......fill in the blank, don't know how lucky they are to live here.
Paul McGrath| 8.15.12 @ 11:25AM
". . . they take it from Seniors and give it the rich." Pathetic. That's all you got. Pathetic.
Jeffrey| 8.15.12 @ 11:25AM
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George S| 8.15.12 @ 12:45PM
If the stock market goes up and down, how is it that we have rich people? Name one rich guy that is NOT in the stock, bond, or commodities market. Just one.
So if the stock market is the vehicle for the rich, why not let all of us in for the ride?
Since you are a shrewd businessman, tell me... would you rather put your lifetime social security payments into the stock market or the present system? Ask your accounting team to calculate the rate of return of the market option and compare to the benefits to be paid out.
Occam's Tool| 8.15.12 @ 8:09PM
Purp: providers are already dropping out of Medicare, because it doesn't pay for the cost of service. I did, because I worked too hard when I was a nursing home consultant to make a decent living for the hours I spent documenting to protect against audits.
WillyP | 8.16.12 @ 1:44PM
/shakes head and says with a smile...
"There you go again..."
darcy| 8.15.12 @ 3:12PM
"Paul Ryan has made Obama and Biden come unhinged." Yes, and it's beautiful to behold, isn't it?
Bob James| 8.15.12 @ 11:21PM
Von Mises, Jr,
Great post, but one quibble. Social Security is already broke, since the statists (of both parties) have been raiding that account for decades. Damn them, and damn us for giving them a pass on it.
Jack in Wi| 8.15.12 @ 7:10AM
I think Romney can take most of the Midwest that went for Obama last time. It depends on how they run their campaign. They have to have a positive forward looking outlook. That means giving up on sounding like Bush on both foreign and domestic policy. The Midwest has been hit hard by the depression. Republicans have won the governorships of Wi, Ohio, Michigan and Iowa from the Democrats. In Illinois the conservative Republican came very close to winning. The same is true in Minnesota. Illinois is a basketcase. The Romney campaign would do well to fight the battle there as well. I think the people in Illinois are fed up with the rule of the Democrats. Illinois used to regularly vote Republican. Michigan has always been a more Democrat state. But I think the depression has made it attainable as well. Iowa and Wi. are usually close but the Democrats sneak in in most cases. again times have changed. Putting an attractive Midwesterner on the ticket was a very smart move.
Frank Drackman| 8.15.12 @ 9:35AM
Jack, I can't believe I'm writing this...
and No Homo, but you wrote something cogent, informative, and enlightening.
Were you taken prisoner by the Mossad?
And while I agree Ryan is a great Candidate, I wouldn't refer to him as "attractive", its almost as bad as saying he's "hot".
I'd go with "rugged".
and don't be like Haley's Comet, showing up every 86 years...
Frank
Dodd2| 8.15.12 @ 7:28AM
Reality check:
The only reason Joey Biden and the rwst of the Democratic Party say things like "that Romney's policies would 'put y'all back in chains'" is because black are dumb enough to buy it.
c. j. acworth| 8.15.12 @ 8:43AM
I think we have ourselves a new troll here, folks.
Dodd2| 8.15.12 @ 1:53PM
If you think otherwise, Mr. C.J. Acewort, then you explain to all of us why the racist (and baseless) rhetoric of the Democrats works year after year to get the blacks to vote for them..
Purp| 8.15.12 @ 8:41AM
Wow, Romney is desperate, pulling out all the stops. This is his last gasp. But he's done more than that - he's put the House of Representatives in play and may have squashed the chances of a Republican Senate as well. Good job, Mitt the Twit.
After the first few days of euphoria on the far right settles down, then we'll see some real numbers, once the reality of Ryan sinks in.
smoky mountain gal| 8.15.12 @ 8:44AM
And then you woke up.
Jeffrey| 8.15.12 @ 11:29AM
Don't feed the trolls!
Thank you.
spike59| 8.15.12 @ 12:24PM
ObaMao is scared $hitless...and the MSM cover is beginning to wear thin. his #'s are down from 2008 in every demographic-and 2008 wasn't a landslide. on top of that, he has to contend with unemployment above 8% for nearly his entire term, the highest food stamp rate in history, the lowest job participation rate since the Great Depression, scandals threatening to take down his Justice Department... and an energized and engaged opposition that's not going to lamely watch the race-baiting, scare-tactic, dishonesty-laded missiles come crashing down while mumbling, 'my frensh, we can dishagree peashfully' a la McCain. Republicans haven't been this fired up since 1980. 2010 was a shellacking; 2012 will likely be a good old-fashioned a$$-whooping
C'mon Man!| 8.15.12 @ 2:01PM
Im ready for an a$$ whooping! Time to open up a can of Woop A$$!!!!
smoky mountain gal| 8.15.12 @ 8:42AM
I was stunned at that remark when seeing it yesterday. did you notice that the men sitting behind Biden, one which was black, didn't crack a smile. The idiots in the crowd who were bussed in, cheered and laughed.
The left is the most racist party ever. We all know this and need to make it known to all. They keep blacks on the govt plantation with just enough to keep them quiet. It's sinful, shameful and a disgrace. You gonna spread the wealth around obama? I want what YOU and MOOCELLA have. How about THAT for "fairness".
Purp| 8.15.12 @ 8:47AM
As if you care about African-American sensitivities. Puhlease.
Frank Drackman| 8.15.12 @ 9:06AM
"Puhlease"???
What are you? a 14 yr old girl?
OK, would explain your attraction to 14 yr old boys...
And Delaware was a Slave State BTW...
Frank "I have a Scheme" Drackman
Jack London| 8.15.12 @ 10:35AM
Purp - when the GOP are up to the most blatant attempts to stop minorities from voting I think we know where they stand. To my mind these officials should be expelled from the country - they are not fit to be Americans. See
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08.....l?_r=1&hp;
Truth to Power| 8.15.12 @ 10:41AM
The group that you were worry about not voting are the dead. You are a sniveling little cheater that exploit minorities for votes while propping them up in pitiful lives in blue land. Shame on you. You are not fit to be an American.
Houdini| 8.15.12 @ 10:46AM
Posting a link from the NYtimes to make a point is akin to announcing that you are full of shit and proving same.
Jack London| 8.15.12 @ 11:11AM
What you don't like is when your disgusting, vile tactics are exposed. It's hard to think people like you are any better than the election fixers in countries like Iran. And by the way, Pennsylvania House Majority Leader Mike Turzai has already said that voter suppression will deliver the state to Romney. I bet you're one proud American to be part of this.
CJW| 8.15.12 @ 11:28AM
Turzai said that with voter ID the Republicans will win.
The reason is that Philadelphia produces a 350,000 vote plurality for the Dems in every election, like clockwork. The Dems chuckle about this, and resent having to show ID since it deprives the dead Dems of the right to vote, and the live Dems of the right to vote more than once. In that sense it is voter supression of the dead and multiple voters.
As usual, you lie like purpie.
Only Dems consider showing proper ID as voter supression.
Now it costs $13 to get a state ID card if you dont have a driver's license. Soros and Buffet could pay the $13 for the Dems.
Pa used to have a photo ID to shop in the state liquor stores. Everyone had one, there was never a claim by anyone that it was too difficult to obtain.
Jack London| 8.15.12 @ 11:50AM
No you lie – Pennsylvania was not able to produce any evidence of voter fraud.
Drunken Sailor| 8.15.12 @ 11:57AM
Please explain how this will suppress votes as even the ID is free.
“We will continue our outreach efforts to make sure all legal Pennsylvania voters know about the law, and know how to get a free ID to vote if needed.”
http://www.wfmz.com/news/Judge.....akingNews+(WFMZ-TV+69NEWS:+Breaking+News)
And just because they have not been able to prove fraud means they should not take the steps neccessary to prevent it?
That's like saying just because my house has never been robbed means I don't need to lock my doors when I am gone.
irish19| 8.15.12 @ 12:10PM
Perfect response and analogy.
CJW| 8.15.12 @ 12:08PM
No, Jackie, you don't know the case or Pa politics.
They presented the case only on the basis that the Id is reasonable and not on the basis of voter fraud, which would be a more complicated, lengthy trial. Remeber the Black Panthers in front of the voting location that Eric Holder refused to prosecute?
If they wanted to present it on the basis of voter fraud, they would.
Jack London| 8.15.12 @ 12:17PM
Explain to me what the motivation is for pushing this through with just a few months to the election and not either doing it at least a year in advance or after the election.
Frank Drackman| 8.15.12 @ 12:30PM
Why do you think?
To keep "Y'awl" Darkies in Chains!
Joe Biden
Stephie| 8.15.12 @ 12:40PM
Why would you not want only legal citizens to vote, and to vote one time? Is that abhorrent to you? Legal elections are upsetting to you? You would prefer the dead, the dog and dems vote 2-3 times to get barry elected again? How about if the situation were reversed and all those dead voted Republican. I bet you would scream bloody murder for Eric the racist Holder to get his ass in gear and fix it post haste! God, how do the brains of the progressive left work. I just don't get it.
Jack London| 8.15.12 @ 1:14PM
There is no evidence of fraud. Why can't you just admit, as Mike Turzai did, that this is voter suppression. It's crystal clear that the timing of these ID moves are designed to disenfranchise minority voters. Otherwise why weren't the laws done say a year ago?
Drunken Sailor| 8.15.12 @ 1:59PM
So once again if they are making the ID cards free explain how this will disenfrahcnise minority voters? Or do you really mean disenfranchise illegal minority voters?
CJW| 8.15.12 @ 1:18PM
Jackie, so....we....can....have....an....honest....election?
Comprende?
Jack London| 8.15.12 @ 1:49PM
One last time CJW - could you look me in the eye and swear on the Bible and your family that there is no motive whatsoever from the GOP to suppress the Democratic vote with these laws.
CJW| 8.15.12 @ 1:59PM
Yes, Jackie.
Stop lying. Voting once for live persons is not voter supression.
Pa court just upheld the law.
CJW| 8.15.12 @ 2:00PM
Jackie
Voting once for live voters is not supression in the legal sense, but it is supression of the Democratic vote. Comprende?
Jack London| 8.15.12 @ 3:03PM
You are a poor lier. I just looked you in the eye and you invented something about dead people voting, because someone told you to. You are a very poor excuse for a human.
CJW| 8.15.12 @ 3:15PM
Jackie/purpie
That is stupid in the purpie sense of stupid. I explained to the reason for voter ID. You don't like voter ID because it restricts voting once to live voters.
News flash: we have to show photo ID to enter the federal bldg and us courthouse.
You lefties are now desperate. Romney by a landslide of live voters voting once.
Coming from a lefty, I take that as a compliment. Now run along and read your DebbieWassermanSchulz emails.
Jack London| 8.15.12 @ 3:30PM
Sorry but you lie – I asked why we need this law, Nothing's broke. But you invented dead people voting. That's a lie. I have nothing against moving to better voter registration. What stinks is railroading these laws through a short time before an election. Do you really think that al these GOP lawmakers suddenly thought - now is the time for voter ID? You are either very stupid or as I suspect, a barefaced liar.
CJW| 8.15.12 @ 3:34PM
Jackie,
The Pa court disagrees with you. Too bad.
Afraid you know you will lose with voter ID, that the reason for the hysteria? Calm down, it is over, Romney will win by a landslide of live voters voting once.
You are just another purpie like lefty dolt that cannot reason, beyond stupid.
Occam's Tool| 8.15.12 @ 8:13PM
Jack: you don't know much about Chicago voting patterns, do you?
I grew up in Niles, IL. I do. I was a Senior Medical Consultant in NZ's NHS, you weren't.
It's amazing what knowledge and experience will do.
Occam's Tool| 8.15.12 @ 8:26PM
"liar." Work on it, Jack---you are named after a famous writer.
George S| 8.15.12 @ 2:51PM
Yes, Jack, Republicans are very motivated to suppress the Democratic vote by eliminating fraud. Photo ID makes it harder for Democrats to cheat. Are you saying that Democrats should cheat because any means is morally necessary to prevent Republicans from winning elections?
Besides, without photo ID it is impossible to open a bank account (IRS rules) or cash a government entitlement check at a bank or a check cashing place. Just use that same ID when you vote. Why the fuss, man?
Jack London| 8.15.12 @ 3:04PM
Where is this evidence of fraud, George? Pennsylvania couldn't produce anything. Can you?
CJW| 8.15.12 @ 3:17PM
One more time, Jackie. Pa did not present the case as based on actual fraud. Too difficult for you to understand, is it?
George S| 8.15.12 @ 3:31PM
No, I can't but that is a red herring. If there was evidence after the next election -- and it affected the outcome -- would you then support photo ID to prevent that from happening again?
If there is proof in other states that voter fraud occurred, say Minnesota "finding" overlooked ballots that amazingly were all for Al Franken, then PA cannot take preemptive action because it didn't happen yet in their backyard?
But isn't it more crucial to preserve our democratic principles and prevent that from happening in the first place? Surely you wouldn't want Romney to win by phantom votes, would you?
But if your standard of proof applies, then I should be able to buy a gun with no questions asked because you or anyone else cannot produce proof that I ever used a gun to commit murder.
Jack London| 8.15.12 @ 3:59PM
"No, I can't but that is a red herring.'
Why do you think it is GOP-run states pushing through these laws now - and not during say mid-term - in the absence of evidence, George? Can we are least have some honesty here?
George S| 8.15.12 @ 5:24PM
Because GOP states are afraid of voter fraud (I will accept the premise that it's only "GOP-run" states).
How about you explain to us how producing a photo ID places a burden on a citizen?
How about you produce evidence that indicates how many living citizens would be denied the right to vote if photo ID is required?
How about you tell us why ACORN -- with all the taxpayer billions they are granted -- can mobilize voter registrations, rides to the polls and assistance with ballots but cannot help people get free photo ID?
Jack London| 8.15.12 @ 5:38PM
So you think the motivation of GOP lawmakers right now is 'fear of fraud'? Even though that's virtually non-existent? If you think anyone actually believes that you could make a good living selling a certain bridge named Brooklyn.
Bye for now George - but I'll check back in to see if you've thought of the real reason. I won't hold my breath. But I don't think you're really an idiot - you just are just desperately hanging on to the amazing fantasy that the hard right in this country are pure as the driven snow. Whatever gets you off - we all need something to believe in.
JD| 8.15.12 @ 5:31PM
Jack, there is lots of evidence of vote fraud in lots of places. You liberals do a good job suppressing it and preventing prosecution because you're dishonestly benefiting from it, so coverage is found only in resources you dismiss as "right-wing".
But even if we accepted your premise, liberals "solve" problems that don't exist ALL THE TIME. They have never needed proof of the "abuses of the evil rich" to institute their harsh anti-business policies. They simply say "things are bad, and we feel like blaming the rich, ergo we're plowing ahead!" There'd be no difference here.
Why did you get Arizona SB1070 tossed? Because you suspected that racism would happen? It hadn't happened. Why were you so sure? Why was your supposition sufficient basis for policy?
Occam's Tool| 8.15.12 @ 8:14PM
Franken won due to voter fraud. Period.
CJW| 8.15.12 @ 9:36PM
Every book on the 1960 election recounts the fraud in Chicago, and the books favoring the Dems (most of them) treat it as necessary to defeat Nixon and just the Daley boys being boys. They laugh how the Chicago Daley machine held back the count in some wards to see how much they needed to offset the Republican votes in downstate Illinois.
JD| 8.15.12 @ 6:03PM
http://online.wsj.com/article/.....78178.html
Just one of many, many pieces of evidence of vote fraud.
Bob James| 8.15.12 @ 11:36PM
Well said - not to mention the ludicrous Gregoire election in Washington. Good Lord, they were finding uncounted ballots in storm drains. That's hyperbole for Jack, who is incapable of even basic reasoning.
Bob James| 8.15.12 @ 11:32PM
Yes, I can. Your risible arguments are absolutely despicable, a word I don't use without consideration. The motive is simple. To try, in a limited way, to keep our elections honest.
You need a photo ID to purchase a pack of cigarettes. How could we possibly hold the most sacred duty of a citizen to a lower standard? You communists, with your endless drivel about "disenfranchising the poor," have been proven liars again and again. Anyone who isn't willing to get a *free* ID from the state obviously isn't serious about voting to begin with. Stop trying to pave the way for felons, illegal aliens and the dead to vote for communist 'rats. Like they do in every election.
Frank Drackman| 8.15.12 @ 12:29PM
there wasn't any evidence that Jerry Sandusky was buggering little boys either, until there was....
Frank
George S| 8.15.12 @ 12:48PM
And Penn State's investigation into Paterno turned up nothing. What point is it you are making about PA?
TLP| 8.15.12 @ 5:53PM
First you profess Purp, as having a succinct summary, and now you want to base your "Facts" on an article from a paper that Forwards their "News" Stories to the White House everyday, for approval, before putting them to print?
Who dresses you in the morning?
Jeffrey| 8.15.12 @ 11:30AM
Don't feed the trolls!
Thank you
spike59| 8.16.12 @ 6:04AM
my wife and daughters, born and raised in VA, had not seen the news, so i channel-surfed till i found the clip-jaws dropped; like one comedian said, you don't go into one of the capitals of the old Confederacy, in front of a largely black audience, and use the word "chains" unless you're talking about Wendy's, Golden Skillet, Pep Boys, or Target...Joey Plugs totally gave it away with the "y'all"...guys from Scranton NEVER say 'y'all'; they say "y'uns"
JD| 8.15.12 @ 5:36PM
Vote suppression occurs when a legitimate vote is cancelled out by an illegitimate vote.
If one wants to allege that government is making it too difficult to vote legitimately, one might start with the tax code, since nonpayment of taxes can be a felony, which would prohibit voting. I think someone recently passed a big new law that made not buying health insurance subject to a tax penalty much larger than the rest of the tax liability of those who would pay it. Such a thing will surely suppress votes!
clemsberry| 8.16.12 @ 10:48PM
go mit go.
Toinfinityandbeyond| 8.18.12 @ 6:52PM
"I am not going to tell you specifics and my tax returns. If I tell you, you will not vote for me."
This is Romney's platform.
No thanks.
Toinfinityandbeyond| 8.18.12 @ 6:52PM
Mitt Romney
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....ure=relmfu
Toinfinityandbeyond| 8.18.12 @ 6:52PM
Romney & Ryan's plan is to collect $716 Billion from government and put it in their pocket.
Toinfinityandbeyond| 8.18.12 @ 6:52PM
Paul is a dirty liar just like Mitt.
Toinfinityandbeyond| 8.18.12 @ 6:53PM
Get the truth about Paul Ryan!
4 Ways Paul Ryan’s Budget Would Devastate The Poor
1. CUTS FOOD STAMPS BY $133 BILLION
2. CUTS MEDICAID BY 1/3
3. 30 MILLION AMERICANS WOULD LOSE HEALTH COVERAGE
4. CUTS PELL GRANTS FOR 1 MILLION STUDENTS
Toinfinityandbeyond| 8.18.12 @ 6:53PM
Mitt Romney and Mormon Cult's involvement with Fast & Furious is bigger than ever.
Mitt Romney and Mormon Cult should disclose the involvement with Fast & Furious.
Toinfinityandbeyond| 8.18.12 @ 6:53PM
Mitt the Twitt explained non-sense with white board like he was in prison explaining to fellow inmates how to escape from prison. lol
Toinfinityandbeyond| 8.18.12 @ 6:53PM
Maybe, Mitt the Twitt has been getting food stamps and welfare checks since he has hidden all his money overseas.
Toinfinityandbeyond| 8.18.12 @ 6:54PM
How long has Mitt the Twitt been running for president? 6~7 years?
Mitt the Twitt had all that time to clean dirty things up but he did.
Mitt the Twitt is just stupid.
Toinfinityandbeyond| 8.18.12 @ 6:54PM
Maybe, Mitt the Twitt has been getting food stamps and welfare checks, since he has hidden all his money overseas.
Mitt the Twitt is a dirty filthy liar.
Toinfinityandbeyond| 8.18.12 @ 6:54PM
Rafalca is in the Butcher Shop waiting to get mitted.
Toinfinityandbeyond| 8.18.12 @ 6:54PM
There could be many reasons Romney doesn’t want to release his tax returns. Here are just a few:
● He’s a lot wealthier than his $250 million in claimed wealth.
● He’s been hiding money from his church.
● He’s lying and he did pay zero in taxes.
● His wealth is being sheltered overseas – in fact it’s possible that he’s sheltered so much of his wealth that he had zero income for the 10 years Harry Reid referenced.
● His tax returns will prove that his tenure at Bain ended long after 1999.
● He knows that wealth inequality is a hot button issue and he wants to divert our attention.
● He’s done something illegal (unlikely, since the laws were designed for him).
● He doesn’t want us asking why he should be allowed to pay just 13% of his income in taxes when the majority of us pay at least twice that.
● He doesn’t want the media to scrutinize his charitable deductions – where does the Mormon Church spend its money?
● All or any of the above.
Toinfinityandbeyond| 8.18.12 @ 6:55PM
Paul Ryan is trying to kill poor people.
http://www.politico.com/news/s.....ml?hp=t1_3
Toinfinityandbeyond| 8.18.12 @ 6:55PM
Wet-Dreaming Repubs can say whatever they want.
Americans already figure out "Medicare Gutting Middle Class Destroying Plan."
Toinfinityandbeyond| 8.18.12 @ 6:55PM
It is funny to watch all repubs are on their own suicide mission.
Popcorn tastes better with Repubs's own suicide mission.
Toinfinityandbeyond| 8.18.12 @ 6:55PM
Ryan/Romney campaign slogan: "I’ve got mine, you get yours the best you can, the heck with you."
Toinfinityandbeyond| 8.18.12 @ 6:55PM
Everything Mitt Romney touches, it turns into Mitt.