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Another Perspective
Repealing Healthcare Is a Losing Hand
Don’t kid yourself — the Democrats have won this round.
I hate to be a pessimist, but I think the Supreme Court decision upholding Obamacare and the individual mandate has dealt a serious blow to Mitt Romney’s election hopes. Right now Republicans are in danger of playing the losing hand of making the election about Obamacare. If it comes to an up-or-down vote on the bill, Republicans will lose.
First let’s consider what might have been. If the Supreme Court had voted 5-4 that the individual mandate was unconstitutional, the President would have had egg on his face. He would have looked incompetent. Remember, this election is not going to be decided by people who feel passionately about the issues. It’s going to be decided by people in the middle who don’t care much one way or another but are asking, “What’s in it for me?”
Had the Supreme Court said “Nyet,” Obama would have had nothing to show for his four years of labor. People would say, “This guy doesn’t know what he’s doing. Let’s get somebody else in there who can get the job done.” That would have been nice. But now that Obama has won, people are saying, “Wow, he gotten done this thing that Presidents since Truman have been trying to do. He must be pretty competent. And it sounds like I might be getting something out of it as well.”
You might want to make the argument that a very large number of people are going to end up with less than they had before or that we’re headed down the road to a system like Britain’s where doctors and hospitals make you feel better about being sick but very little else. But none of that will become clear for many years. Right now the majority of the bill’s provisions don’t even take effect until 2014, well into Obama’s second term. So the attitude, to paraphrase Nancy Pelosi, will be, “Let’s not repeal this thing before we find out what’s in it. Let’s wait and see what happens.”
Tea Party members have many of the same delusions as liberals. Because they are opinionated and articulate and get a lot more press and publicity, they tend to overestimate their numbers. In fact, the people who are going to cast their vote on principle are a very small minority. I remember an evening somewhere around the run-up to the 2010 election when I was supposed to take the train out from Washington to meet my sister and brother-in-law in the small town of Culpeper, Virginia. They were going to a local Tea Party meeting at a time when the movement, according to the papers at least, was sweeping the country. I forgot my cell phone, however, and the train was delayed and by the time I arrived they had gone on to the meeting. I started asking people where the Tea Party meeting was being held. Tea Party? Nobody knew what I was talking about. I made the entire run of bars and restaurants along the main street and nobody had ever heard of the Tea Party. Finally I was picked up by a friendly cop who drove me to all the likely venues — the high school, the fire house, the country club — no luck. About two hours later we finally found them at the local library. There had been four people at the Tea Party meeting — my sister, my brother-in-law, the founder and her husband.
It is all those people who had never heard of the Tea Party who are going to decide the election.
So what’s happened is we’ve taken the first big step toward a nationally health insurance on the model of Britain or Canada. There’s one glaring law that is going to make it difficult to go backward. Nelson’s First Law of Government Benefits (named after the late economist Arthur Nelson) is: “Once you’ve given someone a government benefit, it is almost impossible to take it back.” Whatever it is people perceive they are getting out of Obamacare — whether it is putting a 25-year-old child on the parents’ health insurance or expanding Medicaid up into the middle class or whatever — people are not going to vote for a candidate who is promising to take it away.
That’s why Mitt Romney’s initial response — “I will repeal Obamacare” — is a loser, pure and simple. You can argue until the cows come home that Obamacare will ruin small businesses, cripple medical innovation, and create long waiting lines in doctors’ offices. The majority simply isn’t interested. All that is still way down the line and maybe we’ll be smarter than Europe and Canada and do it differently. To most people, the important thing is: “The government is now going to help pay for my healthcare. I’ll probably get something out of it.” Democrats are smart. They know what they’re doing. Once these benefits are promised, people will stick with them whether they materialize or not. Even though the British live in a system where you have to wait six months to have a root-canal done on an aching tooth, they still think they have the greatest medical system in the world. After all, it’s free.
Now I admit this is a very depressing scenario. But I think it’s time to be depressed. The story is that Chief Justice John Roberts backed down on the case because he didn’t want to have to face off with President Obama. But because Chief Justice Roberts didn’t want to do it now, some other President or national public figure is going to have to face up to the entire American public somewhere down the line. Or perhaps not. Because truly, the Democrats may have won this issue and are pushing us toward a society where everybody thinks they’re going to be able to live off everybody else. Right now the distance between the United States and Greece has been severely shortened.
In the early 1960s a young Roman Polanski made a short experimental film behind the Iron Curtain that perfectly expressed the problems of Communism. Two tramps are running through a snow-covered forest headed for somewhere that never becomes clear. They are traveling by taking turns carrying each other. One jumps on the other’s back and trots for a couple of hundred yards. Then he hops down and they very formally switch places. They go on for another hundred yards or so and then switch places again. And so it goes.
What happens in the space of the four-minute film is that the distances the one tramp carries the other keeps getting shorter. After four or five exchanges, the carrying tramp only carries the other a short yards before he quits and wants to be carried again. Finally one tramp jumps on the other’s back and they go nowhere. He gets down and they stand mute looking at each other for a moment. End of film.
It is a perfect critique of Communism. It’s amazing Polanski was ever able to get it through the Communist censors, although they were probably too stupid to realize what it was about. This is what happens under socialism and Communism. When everybody becomes convinced that everybody else is taking care of things, everybody ends up doing nothing and the economy comes to a stop. Take a look at Greece now to see it in action.
Our present-day enthusiasts for such schemes are always confident that it is only a matter of “political will” to make everybody pay enough taxes to keep the system going. I worked at the weekly The Bond Buyer on Wall Street during the 1990s (Spectator saloon correspondent Joe Mysak was the editor) and almost every article in the paper always ended with the same comment that it would be just a matter of “political will” for politicians to raise taxes high enough to pay for whatever scheme was being funded by the municipal bonds so bondholders would get their money back. During the Depression, bond holders had tried to start a national movement called “Pay Your Taxes!”
But it doesn’t work that way. The great wildcard of all these socialistic schemes is tax collection. Greece may be able to balance its budget on paper taxing people at a rate of 65 percent, but it only happens on paper. Tax evasion in Greece is now a bigger problem than municipal pensions. Almost 50 percent of Italy’s economy is already “underground,” meaning it’s dodging the tax collector. People in all these countries still take six-week vacations and retire early or go on disability at 50 because they are confident somebody will still be out there working to run the economy. But it eventually gets to the point where almost no one is working or — as it happening at this moment — there is no money left to pay anyone. Europeans have long since adjusted to what it means to pay “European levels of taxation.” The same thing is now starting to happen here. The IRS reports that tax fraud is becoming rampant, which only means that people are starting to anticipate what it’s going to be like to paying for things like Obamacare.
Still, the Democrats have won this round. It won’t be long before CNN and USA Today are running articles asking, “What is Obamacare going to do for YOU?” Republicans can try to warn people. They can talk about the dangers of a society where half of wage earners no longer pay taxes, where one in five people are on food stamps and where Social Security Disability has become the new welfare. But all these programs only swell the ranks of dependency and create new constituencies that see Obamacare as just the Next Big Benefit.
Republicans can win this election by talking about how Obama has ruined the economy and vowing to put the nation back to work. They won’t be able to win by promising to repeal Obamacare.
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Scaramouche| 7.5.12 @ 6:58AM
You lost me when you said you left Washington, for the "small town" of Culpeper!
DTOM| 7.5.12 @ 7:57AM
Mr. Tucker,
The National Health called. They left you a message.
"Your prescription is in. It's one pill. Take it first thing in the morning after you get your affairs in order." Love, Barry Obama...
Damn fifth columnist.
C. Vernon Crisler | 7.5.12 @ 10:51AM
Unbelievable! Roberts has lowered everyone's respect for lawyers and judges and the Supreme Court -- they look like a bunch of sophists now, twisting the law into a pretzel to arrive at where they wanted to go in the first place.
Romney was right and should stick with his plan to repeal Robertscare. Anything less is surrender. Conservatives turn tail and surrender too much as it is, so we don't need to add another to the list.
CJW| 7.5.12 @ 2:14PM
I agree.
Obamacare must be repealed.
Brookschwarzenegro | 7.5.12 @ 3:29PM
You are going through the motions of reducing statism.
Perhaps Romney will win in November, the election is close-- but I will ask this question a thousand times: how is an ex-governor from Massachusetts going to be a fiscal conservative?
Bread and Circuses is what it is.
TLP| 7.5.12 @ 4:00PM
I'll say it, again.
Shouldn't you be wiping Vaseline off your backside, and getting Tested?
I'm thinking you should.
Brookschwarzenegro | 7.5.12 @ 5:10PM
When someone more educated writes a negative critique of me, then I pay attention; but what a potty-mouthed young guy (let's HOPE you are young-- not old-and-guttery) such as yourself writes means nothing to me.
Anal-references, with vaseline thrown in, are Old Hat. Or adolescent jive!
Doctor Right| 7.5.12 @ 8:15PM
He can't help it; it's a subconscious compulsion.
Kind of like a repression...
TLP| 7.5.12 @ 7:09AM
Like with Luke Skywalker, the Mission is simple.
No Try. DO. Or, Do Not.
"But I don't BELIEVE I can do it." Says William Tucker.
And, THAT is why we fail.
They, and their "Amateurish" Lord and Master, have just taken over the last Vestige of our Freedom. What makes us "Americans". Our Individuality. And they did it using every dirty dealing, lying, cheat, steal, and THREATEN, tactic in their Quiver.
But Mr. Scarf thinks that these things are not the way Gentlemen Act, and so we shouldn't.
John Roberts was GOTTEN TO, make no mistake about that. Whatever they had on him, was enough to make him sell HIS SOUL, and US down the River. Don't kid yourself.
We're talking about a bunch who Smuggled Guns to the worst buncha KILLERS in the Western Hemisphere, without the knowledge of that Country's Leaders, for the Purpose of Killing as many Mexican Men, Women, and Children as possible, just to get a piece of Legislation passed.
They are Accessories to Hundreds of Murders, and Guilty of International Law, as well as committing an Act of War.
They FORGED DOCUMENTS to a Federal Judge, and then put in their Drill Moratorium, despite him ruling AGAINST IT, twice.
They have DECIMATED our Intelligence Capabilities, for the Greater Glory of their Leader. Spiking the ball in HIS name.
No fear. No second thoughts. No apologies.
Just DO.
That is why They Win.
And, why We will continue to Lose.
CopyKatnj| 7.5.12 @ 8:07AM
Well stated position. I share your opinion.
Doctor Right| 7.5.12 @ 8:22AM
"Another great speech brought to you by OBVIO - the energy drink for tedious, Masters-of-the-Obvious who need an ego-boost!"
TLP| 7.5.12 @ 8:50AM
Another Day of Douchebag's Nose up my Ass.
Take a good Deep Breath, loser.
Yeah. That's it.
Sniff it all in.
Truncheon| 7.5.12 @ 9:10AM
It would certainly be good for this venue if you two could end your petty, juvenile feud. I would suggest taking a month off, and gathering your collective wits.
Doctor Right| 7.5.12 @ 9:19AM
In all honesty, this venue has NEVER been the place-to-be for exchanging ideas.
That's because for a looooooong time, there was no active moderation at all. Now it's too late, so we're left with people like l'il Timmy who confuse ranting with intelligent discourse.
TLP| 7.5.12 @ 3:02PM
There is no: TWO OF US.
There's only him.
Don't pull that Moral Equivilency Shit, on me.
I'm not the one spewing SHIT, after every one of his Comments.
Or, are you BLIND?
Doctor Right| 7.5.12 @ 3:17PM
True.
You don't wait for anyone to rant; you do it all by your lonesome.
I'm here to keep you honest.
Doctor Right| 7.5.12 @ 9:20AM
...Hmmmm.
Smells like dumb.
George True| 7.5.12 @ 2:35PM
Doctor Wrong: Mr Pennell's posts are among the most well written, to the point, and right on the money that I have seen at this or any other forum. I do not understand why you dog his posts. Perhaps you have an agenda that has nothing to do with what he writes. In any case, you make yourself look like an ass when you do this. You also add nothing of your own that is new or relevant to the discussion.
TLP| 7.5.12 @ 3:03PM
Thank You, George.
TLP| 7.5.12 @ 4:04PM
It's the Green Eyed Monster.
Doctor Right| 7.5.12 @ 3:26PM
Because I don't think they're well-written or to-the-point.
I think they're laden with bad spelling, bad grammar, obnoxious, over-bearing, poorly organized, and narcissistic.
And if they're "right-on-the-money" it's only because L'il Timmy restates facts/opinions that are patently obvious to anyone who's been paying a modicum of attention since 2008 (you may have noticed that I rarely disagree with Timmy's substance...such as it is).
In other words, they're long on soap-box rhetoric, and short on insight. They're a bore.
But you like them? And you're impressed?
Swell. I'm not.
FYI, I don't recall your name on this board. I have a sneaking suspicion that you might be L'il Timmy...Just as I also have a sneaking suspicion that L'il Timmy is also "Clint," another forum malcontent with a penchant for rude, obnoxious posts, vulgarity, and repeating himself ad nauseum.
"Clint" was omnipresent on this board until the very day that they required e-mail logins; then he disappeared completely.
George True| 7.5.12 @ 10:52PM
It is you who is the new guy at the forum. Any of the old timers here at TAS will recognize me as someone who has been around here for years.
Purp| 7.5.12 @ 9:59AM
Conspiracy theories again, Tim? Seriously? Ludicrous attacks.
"John Roberts was GOTTEN TO.." - how insulting to a Supreme Court Justice that clearly lays out why he considered Obomneycare Constitutional. One of you own, and you STILL don't shut up. Enjoy him for the next 30 years.
Oldefarte| 7.5.12 @ 1:53PM
Yeah, Roberts got his THIRTY PIECES OF SILVER this one time. You and yours however have been LEWINSKYING the domestic terrorists no doubt your whole miserable liftime. As the old saying goes, WE ALL KNOW WHAT YOU ARE, WE'RE JUST NOT SURE WHAT PRICE YOU CHARGE!!!!!!!!!
TLP| 7.5.12 @ 3:04PM
Exactly.
DTOM| 7.5.12 @ 7:21AM
"William Tucker is the author of Terrestrial Energy: How Nuclear Power Will Lead the Green Revolution and End America's Energy Odyssey."
He wrote an entire book based on a faulty premise. Japan has shut down its nuclear plants. Nuclear is dead.
Mr. Tucker's inferential powers are weak. Possibly negative.
It is Chicken Littles like Mr. Tucker that give support to numbskull centrists that are selling us out to the socialist Left.
Why is he writing here?
If he is writing here, then I shan't be reading here. TAS is not the only site in the Web.
Mebbe it's time for "See ya, wouldn't wanta be ya!"
You won't Tread On Me...
Doctor Right| 7.5.12 @ 8:22AM
Maybe you should submit an article, yourself?
Bob K| 7.5.12 @ 10:49AM
Japan just reopened one of it's Nuclear Power Plants. The rest will soon follow. Those who want to freeze in the dark are protesting.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl.....nt-reopens
Hardcard| 7.5.12 @ 7:23AM
TLP well said !!! tucker you and your ilk are the reason this Country is in the shape it's in.
Mimi | 7.5.12 @ 7:36AM
Mr. TUCKER.....WRONG, WRONG ! They most certainly didn't win yet....WE all get a chance to put our say in first... in 124 days.
CHOICE = Liars/Truth tellers, This is prime...if you can't trust them...what good are they?
FREEDOM/ ROAD to TYRANNY...Return to SLAVERY this time for everybody !
Those are 2 of the most critical...we could go on and on....
Warrior| 7.5.12 @ 9:14AM
I guess Mr. Tucker thinks the dems won the 2010 election because of this winner of law. We will all lose if the law is not repealed. In fact, if Romney wins and does not repeal it, the Republican party will be read its last rites.
Purp| 7.5.12 @ 10:05AM
JOBs were what the Republicans campaigned on, and haven't produced anything close to "JOBs" ... Where are the jobs, Mr. Boner? Job Creators - you've had the Bush tax cuts extended - where are the jobs?
Warrior| 7.5.12 @ 11:16AM
According to Obama, 4.2 millions jobs were created and we've been job creation positive since the 2010 elections. The private sector is doing just fine. So are you going to now tell me that Obama is stupid or maybe, lying??
Take you liberal talking point bullcrap back to Huffpo. You are not smart enough to have a reasonable discussion with.
Purp| 7.5.12 @ 5:34PM
Have you heard 1 Republican say they have created 1 job? Just 1? Nope. They campaigned on JOBS and didn't deliver. And, America will remember their lies.
Warrior| 7.5.12 @ 8:30PM
I should have gone by my instincts and ignore the morons with Democrat talking points. All the job losses were the Republicans fault. All the job gains were from Obama and nobody else. All the debt is Bushes fault and Obama has been very fiscally responsible. Holder had nothing to do with gun running, it was all done by Bush. You are beyond pathetic.
lost| 7.5.12 @ 11:24AM
I believe there has been a tax increase or for those who are to dumb to understand, a new tax. It is called by most Obamacare. Bush tax cuts are only one piece of the puzzle. Problem is there is a boat load of other things that obama has done, is doing and wants to do that prevent new jobs.
Finfan| 7.5.12 @ 11:27AM
The House has passed over 30 jobs bills. They have died in the Senate.
TLP| 7.5.12 @ 3:07PM
Also, Exactly.
Purp| 7.5.12 @ 5:37PM
Uh, still no jobs. Passing means compromise - which they have not done. They failed miserably. They can't 1 of 30 bills passed into law? And you call them Lawmakers? Seriously?
The local high school band could do a better job - and that's not to criticized high school bands.
Doctor Right| 7.5.12 @ 8:18PM
To call you a fool would be an insult to fools...
Oldefarte| 7.5.12 @ 2:09PM
The JOBS that formerly were in existence came from Reagan's [and Kennedy's prior to that], and Bush's tax cuts. The reasons why there are none now is because of $800 billion in governmental welfare [aka maintenance of government jobs] for labor unionized state/local employees, and the threats of increased taxiation and governmental regulations coming forth from Osama's pie-hole daily along with all other Democrats preaching socialism. If the Oracle of Chicago is not either impeached or defeated, this country will cease to exist in three more years, and JOBS will be the least issue on eveyone's mind. Ya boy has destroyed this country or is in the process of doing so and you foolish idiots are the pied-pipers leading everyone off of the cliff of insanity. Grow a GD brain and go blog on the NYT website where you and yours are welcome [no doubt you liberals here are being paid to invade conservative websites on orders from Eric the Justice and his boss THE BIG COMMUNITY ORGANIZER [and friend to Bill the terrorist and Jeremiah the Black Nationalist]. Go way and never return!!!!!!!!
CJW| 7.5.12 @ 2:16PM
Obamaboy
The only job produced by Obama is probably your job as a paid troll here.
Doctor Right| 7.5.12 @ 4:53PM
Hey, Purp...
Romney raised $100 MILLION in JUNE!
http://www.politico.com/news/s.....78155.html
Purp| 7.5.12 @ 5:37PM
Still, he isn't winning. So what?
CJW| 7.5.12 @ 7:51PM
Obamaboy
What is he winning? Election day is November 7, be sure to remind you lefty friends.
Doctor Right| 7.5.12 @ 8:21PM
Ummmm...
Actually, dummy, he is:
http://news.yahoo.com/poll-rom.....45408.html
c. j. acworth| 7.5.12 @ 7:42AM
Obamacare is a huge TAX on the middle class. Obama's lawyers argued in state courts and before the Supremes that it is a TAX. The Supremes just ruled that it is a TAX. How can Mr. Tucker say that Romney should not make an issue of the FACT that Obama and the Dems have levied the largest TAX increase ever? They don't have to make it the centerpiece of the campaign, but it's a huge stick with which to beat Obama upside the head. It plays right to the issue of how Obama and the Dems have taken a bad recession and made things far worse for far longer than necessary.
Purp| 7.5.12 @ 10:13AM
Nope. Not huge, a tax penalty. Even if you call it a tax, penalty or a bagel, it's NOT anywhere near the largest in history, and it is CONSTITUTIONAL. John Roberts says so.
At most, 1% of the population will be subject to this bagel, possibly in the neighborhood of 4 Billion dollars, somewhere near what the subsidy for oil companies is per year.
The economy is far, far better than the day Obama took office. Slowly improving, but it is not worsening-that's just a bald-faced lie to say otherwise.
Drop your talking points and read a little, you will learn something.
Nice talking points
lost| 7.5.12 @ 11:32AM
your so called bagel has already cost me. as each faze of obamacare is implemented it has raised my insurance premiums. Obamacare costs everyone who works not just the 1%
Purp| 7.5.12 @ 5:38PM
Check the facts, Chuckles. YOUR insurance premiums have gone up each year for a decade. So have all premiums - why do you think this was a big problem that had to be addressed? Duh.
Doctor Right| 7.5.12 @ 8:22PM
So have the price of hot-dogs, dummy...
So what?
Do you think your premiums are going to go down, now???
LOL!!!
JD| 7.5.12 @ 1:17PM
If the penalty is so tiny, then how is all of this being paid for?
Purp| 7.5.12 @ 5:39PM
All of what?
Oldefarte| 7.5.12 @ 2:12PM
GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!
darcy| 7.5.12 @ 10:42PM
The more I think about it, c.j. acworth, Mr. Tucker seems to be hoping that he can convince us -- and by extension Romney's team -- to disregard the single most important issue that American's care about: their pocket book and the tax man stealing their hard-earned income, in this case to redistribute money to various and sundry stakeholders in the health care industry -- oh, yes, and back into Democrat campaign coffers!
American's don't like being lied to about taxes, as GHW Bush found out the hard way. We will make sure Obama learns the same lesson, the hard way!
Pecos Pete| 7.5.12 @ 7:52AM
Don't get stuck on stupid. The November election swings on the economy. More people in poverty, more people on food stamps, etc. ObamaCare is another chink (granted, a big chink) in the damage to the economy that has resulted from a Democrat Congress and and Democrat president. The Democrats have given the USA a recession/depression and that's what this election is about.
TLP| 7.5.12 @ 8:44AM
Nope.
Sorry Pecos Pete, but you're wrong.
It's a Tax. It's a Penalty.
It's a Candy. It's a Gum. (Anyone remember Razzles?)
More Tatse. Less Filling.
Six of one, a half dozen of the other.
We love Semantics, because it relieves us of ever having to do any REAL WORK.
(Kinda like TRADERS who spend all of their Free Time Vacationing in the Third World, and taking pictures of their New Brides, alongside the Malaria riddled locals, hopefully before the Flies on their Faces, smother them to Death.)
In the Amerika of BARACK the 1st, why DO something, when you can just TALK about doing something?
Why DO something, when you can just PROMOSE to do something?
Talking is easy. Doing is hard. And, unless you have an Illegal, you can Pay? It's almost impossible.
Besides. The average attention span of the average Amerikan, these days is...................
I forget was I was talking about.
I think it was something about Pie. Or was it something about Flies?
Is my Fly is down?
Crap!
Never mind.
TLP| 7.5.12 @ 8:47AM
That was for Obvio?
Doctor Right| 7.5.12 @ 9:21AM
No, its was BECAUSE of OBVIO...your drink-of-choice.
Gary B| 7.5.12 @ 9:10AM
TLP, That's why I've said Obama just says stuff. What he says is in a different universe than what he does. He's probably the most blatant liar in our history.
TLP| 7.5.12 @ 3:10PM
You also said that I just say stuff.
But, I'm willing to let Bygones be Bygones.
Truth be told, I really enjoy "MOST" of your posts.
Be well.
Gary B| 7.5.12 @ 3:49PM
Well, "most" is good enough. Thanks...
Same to you.
Oldefarte| 7.5.12 @ 2:14PM
It may be defined as a tax, a penalty or grandpa's jockstrap; but what it is in actuality is GOVERNMENTAL HEALTH INSURANCE '''''''WELFARIC REDISTRIBUTION'''''''!!!!!!!!!!!
Purp| 7.5.12 @ 10:14AM
Bush gave us the Bush Depression - it's just that simple and over 50% of Americans agree with that. Too bad they don't buy your argument that it's "Obama's economy", but they don't. They blame the one who let it happen, not the one trying to fix it.
lost| 7.5.12 @ 11:56AM
You tell others to read but yet you do not. The housing bubble was created when? Oh in the 90's. Who were the ones who forced bad loans on the banks? Oh yeah Democrats. What caused the crash? subprime loans. So who's fault is the mess we are in? Obama and his ilk. Obama is not doing anything to fix the problem, he is doing everything he can to cut an arm off of those who can fix the economy. Governments do not create the economy they try to regulate it.
Purp| 7.5.12 @ 5:41PM
Try again, Sunshine - Bush pushed his "Ownership Society", really spoke how important it was to 'own' your own home, retirement and life - and removed any semblance of regulations in his 2 terms - next, CRASH. People who lived it remember. You can't spin them.
Doctor Right| 7.5.12 @ 8:25PM
Ummmmm, dummy..?
It was over-regulation that caused the housing market crash...
Specifically government intervention that forced banks to give loans to people who couldn't afford them
Specifically, dummy...democrats.
Man, you're dumb.
Doctor Right| 7.5.12 @ 8:25PM
Ummmmm, dummy..?
It was over-regulation that caused the housing market crash...
Specifically government intervention that forced banks to give loans to people who couldn't afford them
Specifically, dummy...democrats.
Man, you're dumb.
JD| 7.5.12 @ 1:18PM
Purp's politics require him to keep playing his part in pushing the Big Lie. Democrats think that they can make anything true just by repeating it often enough. Shades of Orwell...
Bush did not create the recession, nor are Democrats the only ones who try to fix it.
Oldefarte| 7.5.12 @ 2:16PM
Quit telling your filthy lies, okay? You're a GD liar and most everyone here knows it. Furthermore, you're being paid by Eric @ Justice to blog here!!!
TLP| 7.5.12 @ 3:11PM
Leave him alone, and he'll go home, wagging his BULLSHIT behind him.
Oldefarte| 7.5.12 @ 3:32PM
Nope, I want him to ....STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE!!!!!
Purp| 7.5.12 @ 5:42PM
Poddy mouth. Mama didn't do a good job with you, huh?
Mimi | 7.5.12 @ 7:56AM
According to a Mark Steyn piece a while back..... not an exact quote but the idea was....If the health-care mandate idea or facsimile was presented to the Continental Congress..." They would put downd their Quivers and reach for thier MUSKETS"
We've had the comforts of our Freedom for 236 years....It's JUST NOW we have to fight for it...and fight we will!
Purp| 7.5.12 @ 10:17AM
And, yet, President George Washington mandated that all able-bodied men were required to have arms, ammunition and supplies to go to war if called into the militia. Completely Constitutional. They were mandated to purchase, on their own, "forced" to buy and equip themselves.
If it was good enough for George, who are you tiny people to argue? And, now you have your own Chief Justice agreeing the mandate is Constitutional - again tiny people, with small minds.
Teach| 7.5.12 @ 2:10PM
Hahaha - Purp, the great Dissembler...you wouldn't have eaten very well in those days would you?
Oldefarte| 7.5.12 @ 2:18PM
Why don't you go communicate with your buddies at Jeremiah's church of the here and now then??????
George True| 7.5.12 @ 2:54PM
You are a champion obfuscator. And as always, you really do not know anything about what you pretend to know something about.
What Washington did was an executive order, NOT legislation. And as commander in chief, it was entirely within his right to do this. The definition of the militia then was, and I quote, "every able bodied man between the ages of 17 and 50". The militia, by definition, was considered to be the army reserves. (Not to be confused with the 'select militia', which was the nucleus of the army that actually trained regularly.)
As commander in chief, Washington had every right to decree that every militia member have a rifle. And in fact, most men in that day and age DID already have a musket. The relatively few that did not already have a rifle could have more than likely borrowed one from a relative.
So your analogy fails on its face. It is bogus, as is all of your other worn-out leftist talking point claptrap that you continually spout.
TLP| 7.5.12 @ 3:14PM
You're just beating your head against a wall, responding to him.
He's NOTHING, and thus, should be treated as such.
He's just not worth it.
Purp| 7.5.12 @ 7:05PM
Timmy - at least he isn't beating what you are. Go away.
Purp| 7.5.12 @ 7:05PM
So you think the United States Commander-in-Chief can dictate what he will regarding anything militarily? Is that your opinion? Do you stand by that?
Robert| 7.5.12 @ 4:52PM
It's not the 'forced' part, you lefty troll. We're forced to do lots of things. It's the 'tax' on inactivity!
Did George impose a penalty on conscientious objectors? Remember, there were a lot of Tories left in the colonies circa 1770.
Doctor Right| 7.5.12 @ 8:18AM
With all due respect, Mr. Tucker, I do find your attitude rather defeatist, to say the least.
But unlike some of the folks on this forum, I recognize that you're a columnist expressing an opinion, not a politician casting votes on the floor of the House, so I'm not particularly worried.
Maxwell| 7.5.12 @ 8:29AM
I want the five minutes I just wasted reading this article back. The comments were better!
Louis Jenkins| 7.5.12 @ 8:29AM
Mr. Tucker:
I agree with your final conclusion, that the election should be about the economy. ( Afterall, Obamacare is part of the economy.) Don't get too caught up in the "oh poor me" situation. There are still several venues left to choke the beast.
Purp| 7.5.12 @ 10:40AM
With the Rombot? Hahahaha .... he's out "Jet Skiiing" this week ... talk about out of touch with America. Going down, he is, going down.
Oldefarte| 7.5.12 @ 2:25PM
At least he EARNED the money required to pay for those jet skies; unlike ya boy and his Moochel living high off of the hog on the taxpayers' dime. Excrement, the idiot didn't even have the $20 to pay the restaurant tab on a campaign stop the other day. No doubt Mooch drained his wallet to go to the beauty parlor or to enroll the kids in their private school in DC [while shafting charter schools there]. Wonder who pays his green fees when Boehner not having to waste time playing golf with him? Wonder what happened to his aunt who should have bee deported but wasn't [no doubt still on welfare]. Oh on the subject of jobs, explained what happened to those good paying oil drilling jobs offshore from Louisiana etc that were transferred to Africa because Ken Salamander wouldn't grant drilling permits. One job that no longer is Brian Terry's since he was killed by one of Eric's F&F gunrunning schemes, right???????
George True| 7.5.12 @ 3:08PM
Why is jet skiing out of touch????? Most people could afford to rent a jet ski for a day if they wanted to.
Jetting off to places like France and Spain every couple of months at a cost of many millions of dollars each time - now THAT is out of touch.
You and your ilk continually call evil good and call good evil. Here again, you make a pathetic attempt to paint something as pedestrian as getting on a jet ski "out of touch", but say nothing about Obama's frequent uber wealthy, ultra expensive vacations. You are a liar, plain and simple, just like your false god Obama.
TLP| 7.5.12 @ 3:15PM
He's not worth the time and effort.
Ignore him
paintbrush| 7.5.12 @ 8:34AM
It will be far easier undo the mirror image 3rd world banana republic created in the last few years, than to restore real common sense to a foolish electorate who made him President in the first place.
Purp| 7.5.12 @ 10:41AM
You're right, recovering from Bush is damn hard.
Oldefarte| 7.5.12 @ 2:27PM
Why don't you RECOVER by relocating to Greece, Italy or Spain where your friends are located??????????
Truncheon| 7.5.12 @ 8:55AM
False dichotomy.
It is quite possible to run with a focus on *both* the economy, and the travesty of Obamacare. Especially considering the impact of a multi-trillion dollar tax (Obamacare) on matters economic.
When I seek learned opinion, there is an expectation that the learned exceed me.
Purp| 7.5.12 @ 10:41AM
MultiTrillion dollars? Where did you get THAT lie?
JD| 7.5.12 @ 1:19PM
It costs America trillions of dollars. That's not a lie.
Oldefarte| 7.5.12 @ 2:29PM
From the BLS statistics, that's where. Try reading it you may learn something other than Axelrod's propaganda fed to you on MSNBC!!!!!!!!!!
Purp| 7.5.12 @ 7:07PM
the BLS? On Healthcare? I don't think so....
CopyKatnj| 7.5.12 @ 9:05AM
"The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
--George Washington, General Orders, August 23, 1776
Purp| 7.5.12 @ 10:43AM
They were fighting against the King, not the duly elected government of the people. What's your point? Congress doesn't exist? Supreme Court is not Supreme? Seriously, what's your point?
Doctor Right| 7.5.12 @ 1:46PM
They were fighting FOR liberty, dummy...
And they may soon be, again.
Whose side will you be on? The ones flying the Rainbow Flag?
Teach| 7.5.12 @ 2:16PM
OMG Purp - I've never read anyone as funny as you, really, you should be writing for Bill Maher or Obumma or Chavez...then you could get paid for making stuff up!
Oldefarte| 7.5.12 @ 2:33PM
NO, elected by the STUPID people, and by the dumbarses who stayed home/sat out 11/4/08. Congress led by Nancy the Cosmetic Piglet from SF and Harryars from Unionized Nevada? SCOTUS comprised of Sonia the Illegal and Alenia the SG Welfarecare Composer?????
SSG Baker| 7.13.12 @ 10:13AM
Uhm, at the time they would have been fighting against the King and Government of Great Britain, ie their legitiment goverment. So yes, they were called rebels for a reason, even today the british call it a rebellion not a war for independence. But then again, history and how it affects us all has not been taught to most liberals.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 7.5.12 @ 9:14AM
The public is not as stupid as Mr. Tucker believes.
The internet keeps people informed in a different way than the old news media.
If there is any group that may not survive this election it's the main stream media whose numbers are in the tank.
Several weeks ago one of those stations had an audience of 54,000 at 10PM. Whoopee!
No, continuing to point out that Obamacare is NOcare is the proper thing to do and it's not a loser.
The only losers I have ever run across in life are those who give up.
Achmed| 7.5.12 @ 9:37AM
The public is not as stupid as Mr. Tucker believes. It is much, much stupider. The country will go down in flames, just like Greece. The problem is not that O-Bummer is a communist, the problem is that 50% of Americans don't mind it one bit. I'm afraid it will all come down to the individual states breaking out of the Union, just like EU is crumbling. You don't have to be a pessimist to refuse to wear blinds. One has got to see what's coming clearly to be able to fight it.
Truncheon| 7.5.12 @ 9:43AM
I believe that you are correct. Once your rulers establish a monopoly on education, the end begins.
“When an opponent declares, "I will not come over to your side," I calmly say, "Your child belongs to us already... What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community.” -- Adolph Hitler
Purp| 7.5.12 @ 10:44AM
The States can't. That matter was settled the last time some tried it. Remember?
Thom| 7.5.12 @ 11:07AM
Ever try to save a drowning person there Purp? When the USS Titanic starts dipping its bow under the waves nothing will be settled in the minds of those that suddenly come to the realization that the ship can actually sink under them…..
Doctor Right| 7.5.12 @ 1:46PM
If they're successful in doing so, "can't" is a meaningless phrase, dimwit..,.
Oldefarte| 7.5.12 @ 2:36PM
I do remember when the states were CAPTURED......on 11/4/08.....do you remember???????
Thom| 7.5.12 @ 3:23PM
Regarding settled law there Purp,
A brief history lesson not found in your government school text books. The Confederacy was outnumbered 2.5 to 1 in population; 4.4 to 1 in “free” fighting age men; “wealth” 3 to 1; Factory production 10 to 1; textiles 14 to 1; Iron production 15 to1; Coal 38 to 1; Firearms 32 to 1 and it goes on and on like that yet the Confederacy held out 4 year against Union forces three times their size with an endless supply of Supreme Commanders and lost 85,000 less men KIA than the North. The last Union Brain Fart, U.S. Grant got 40,000 more Union men killed in his 1864 Spring Campaign than Confederates died and took over 7,000 causalities in less than 30 minutes at Cold Harbor and ordered a repeat for which his whole command refused to execute. Even the Confederates thought Grant was a murder of his own men. Flash forward to today…. Things have changes a bit with 30 State governments in Republican hands a whole lot of industry and energy production moving to or being located in the South today. The Supreme Court just ruled that the Constitution means nothing which includes all those amendments passed while 11 Confederate states were barred from voting. Nothing is ever settled in point of fact. You want to refight the Civil War with what is closer to a fair fight this time?
TLP| 7.5.12 @ 3:18PM
I like you, Bill, but all one need do is to look at a TV Guide, to see how "SMART" our people really are.
It's sad, but it's true.
Doctor Right| 7.5.12 @ 9:24AM
Given that the GOP controls the House, Senate, and WH after the election, the only thing preventing repeal is the pusillanimity of the folks in charge.
Seeing that as of this week, Mitch McConnell is already signaling that he lacks the balls to do it, don't get your hopes up...
...But don't get them down, either.
Truncheon| 7.5.12 @ 9:45AM
McConnel didn't actually say anything, except "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" in his own words.
I don't think McConnel is going soft, actually. And I think Romney is going to win handily. I believe they'll all likely do the correct things, in the short term.
The long term, however, troubles me.
Purp| 7.5.12 @ 10:50AM
McConnell is one of the few in Congress that tells you what the truth is. "Defeating Obama is job one.." , "30 million uninsured are not the issue ...", and "it's harder to repeal than to stop it.. " - this is exactly what he thinks ( he's telegraphing the Republican positions), and you can bank on it.
Doctor Right| 7.5.12 @ 1:47PM
If this country is to survive as a free, Constitutional Republic, then defeating Obama IS job # 1.
You're a drone, so you don't get that.
Oldefarte| 7.5.12 @ 2:38PM
Quit lying idiot....I corrected you on this yesterday concerning McConnell's words from Braitbart!!!!!!
Maxwell| 7.5.12 @ 10:10AM
Doctor Right, I called old Mitch at his office office this past week and spoke to a young lady, one of his staff. She was not pleased that someone was questioning her boss. I said Mitch should lead, follow, or get out of the way! Yes, I was nice about it but said Mitch should give blood to get Barry Care repealed.
Purp| 7.5.12 @ 10:51AM
Sorry, Max, but McConnell calls it like it is (in the backrooms) and is getting the flock ready for accepting that Obomneycare is here to stay. But you can still blame Democrats, while you enjoy it - like everything else you blame on Democrats.
Doctor Right| 7.5.12 @ 1:48PM
A few weeks ago, you told me that Eric Holder would NEVER be held in contempt-of-Congress, dummy...
Remember how that turned out??
The times, they are a changin'...back.
Hope you have a closet that fits.
Oldefarte| 7.5.12 @ 2:39PM
Again see McConnell's words on Braitbart, liar!!!
Purp| 7.5.12 @ 10:47AM
You are absolutely correct. They are starting to manage your expectations toward failure and living with what their corporate masters, the insurance companies wanted all along.
It will never be repealed or the campaign coffers will dry up on the R side.
Whatever they tell you now is for public consumption - what they really think, you won't know until it's too late.
You want to know what they will do- follow the money. Money talks.
Oldefarte| 7.5.12 @ 2:42PM
"corporate masters" ? Wait you were talking about jobs earliar.....do you know how many JOBS are held by corporate employees? Course you ignore that since they aren't THE MIDDLE CLASS [or as defined by Democrats, anyone without income]!!!!!!
Harry the Horrible| 7.5.12 @ 9:28AM
This guy is an example of all that is wrong with the 'Pubbies.
Somewhere around sixty percent of the American public opposed Obamacare; The Republican response "We can't do it."
Do they remove EVERY Republican's testicles and spine when they go the DC?
Truncheon| 7.5.12 @ 9:47AM
They remove that at the beginning, actually. Only geldings are allowed in the yard.
Purp| 7.5.12 @ 10:52AM
Bingo!
cicero| 7.5.12 @ 9:37AM
Once Romney starts to campaign, the issue must be, and will be, the economy. That must include the overwhelming deficit spending, the lack of a budget, Obamacare, and the constant call for more taxes on the productive. This campaign must be as much about educating the populace as about cute 15 second sound bites. This campaign must draw the comparison of the Obama administration and its goal of making us into a European welfare state. After all, we only need look at Europe now to see where that leads.
Mender| 7.5.12 @ 9:38AM
"British live in a system where you have to wait six months to have a root-canal done on an aching tooth, they still think they have the greatest medical system in the world. After all, it's free."
Rubbish. They spend half as much on healthcare per head and still live longer.
Truncheon| 7.5.12 @ 9:49AM
This is nonsense, and Brittain is in the process of re-privatizing.
I don't think longevity statistics showing that English live, on average, three months longer are very interesting. Lifespans in the Western nations are statistically identical.
Truncheon| 7.5.12 @ 9:52AM
Should this or that nation begin to exhibit variance in the range of an entire standard deviation, call me. Until then such pedantics are of no practical use.
Mick Lee| 7.5.12 @ 9:40AM
The Republicans can stop saying one more word about Obamacare beginning at 11.00a this morning; but the media (and Democrats) will not let the issue drop. Just like the much ballyhooed "truce" on social issues, they will not observe any such cease fire. Hell, the Democrat necromancers still call up the ghost of Herbert Hoover.
We scream about Bush adding on Medicare D to the swelling benefits related national debt. Obamacare will in time make Medicare D look like a McDonald's Happy Meal compared to a state dinner held at the White House for the Queen of England.
Maybe the Republicans message should be "jobs, jobs, jobs" in this election; but the powers that be won't let us forget Obamacare--and neither should we.
Purp| 7.5.12 @ 10:54AM
The Congressional Budget Office, who's job it is to really know the truth, disagrees with your distortions on Obomneycare.
Mick Lee| 7.5.12 @ 11:34AM
If you look back to the predictions and assurances in 1965 of how much Medicare would end up costing, one's outlook on Obamacare would not be particularly rosy.
Doctor Right| 7.5.12 @ 1:49PM
No, they don't. You're either a liar, or a dummy...
Actually, you're both.
Teach| 7.5.12 @ 2:23PM
Really Purp - you need to be writing for Obumma with all the stuff you make up...man, it's hilarious! Stop, stop, I'm laughing so hard!!!
Oldefarte| 7.5.12 @ 2:45PM
Your CBO wouldn't know the truth if it bit them in their collective AH's. Any statistic coming from the government is manipulated to the Democrats advantage. The stated 8% unemployment rate is actually 15-20% or greater!!!!!
Thom| 7.5.12 @ 3:42PM
The CBO has doubled its estimate of deficit spending under King ObamaCare in just two years. They did so based on revised economic growth projections (downward) which themselves aren’t worth the paper they are written on. When was the last time a major government entitlement program came in under projected budget there Purp? Medicare?
King ObamaCare is going to force some people to pay a “tax-penalty” for not having what is pre-paid medical and those people along with those additional 15 million that get it “free” are going to abuse it just as the 50 million Medicare and Medicaid people do now which will raise total health care spending not reduce it which will actually increase healthcare spending as a portion of GDP not reduce it. Somebody is going to pay for all this additional “free” healthcare spending. That somebody is going to be those employed with existing plans that get dropped because their premiums go through the roof when you disallow differing levels of risk pools. Only a fool thinks King ObamaCare will reduce the cost of healthcare. It will reduce the level of service for sure since the industry won’t be able to meet demand for all these new free loaders on the system.
Jack of Spades| 7.5.12 @ 9:44AM
IF Mr.Tucker is right,then the Democrats haven't just won this round, they've won the fight, period. There are two problems with "talking about how Obama has ruined the economy and vowing to put the nation back to work." First, if the Republicans show that they're afraid to discuss Obamacare, the Democrats will make it a major talking point: "The Republicans want to take your health care away!" Second is that not talking about repeal means that when the system collapses, the GOP will have been complicit in the catastrophe by their silence.
The third is that trying to talk about the economy without discussing Obamacare is an impossibility unless you think Obamacare won't affect the economy. It's like talking about losing weight without discussing your daily trip to McDonalds for a super-size angus third-pounder meal.
On a related note, the issue about the individual mandate isn't whether it's a tax or a penalty, it's that the powers that be so brazenly call it one or the other to suit their need of the moment, which makes Roberts' capitulation an even larger betrayal.
Reggie Love| 7.5.12 @ 9:51AM
Does anyone think Mitt Romney and Boner will get rid of Obamacare? Plus,in the senate we will have Rino's like Murkowski,Mark Kirk,Collins,McCain. Will they get rid of i?
Purp| 7.5.12 @ 10:55AM
No, they won't. It's a campaign tool to gin up the folks.
Doctor Right| 7.5.12 @ 1:50PM
Gee...it's working!!!!
Oldefarte| 7.5.12 @ 2:46PM
Only Obama and Democrats tell the truth....AND THE COW JUMPED OVER THE MOON!!!!!!
TLP| 7.5.12 @ 3:21PM
You got a better idea?
ChrisChris| 7.5.12 @ 10:48AM
I appreciate your reasoned tone, and am glad to hear there are still Republicans out there who understand how politics are supposed to work--sometimes fight, sometimes concede.
That being said, you're understanding of Obamacare is pretty skewed. The unregulated private insurance industry has become terribly unpopular in this country. Fighting for a continuation of that form of medical system is a big losing strategy. Obamacare, instead of making a single-payer, medicare-for-all system, keeps healthcare firmly in the hands of private corporations.
There is a reason the individual mandate was originally introduced by conservatives: it's the least "socialist' option on the table moving forward.
As it stands today, people who are poor are uninsured, and suffer at home until it becomes a critical emergency, at which point they are admitted to the ER and rack up bills they can never pay. Ultimately, the hospital, the govt, the insured and the taxpayers pick up the tab. Obamacare brings about more individual responsibility for those that can afford it, and more support for those who can't. This is fiscally sound and a far cry from socialism.
Purp| 7.5.12 @ 10:56AM
Very good analysis actually Chris.
Slacker| 7.5.12 @ 12:25PM
In reality the” least socialist” option is a blatant example of economic fascism.
Obamacare will be an obstacle to any future shift towards the Canadian or British model. It is the worst of everything.
Progressives got played by the medical industry and passed what is perhaps the most regressive legislation of all time.
lost| 7.5.12 @ 12:46PM
Private insurance industry is unregulated? You obviously have little knowledge of that industry. The current regulations for that industry increase costs for everyone involved; patient, health care provider and insurance provider
Doctor Right| 7.5.12 @ 1:57PM
Your statement, while appearing to be reasonable in tone, is simply put, stupid.
The "unregulated" private insurance industry?? WHERE dos that exist??
And if private insurance companies are "unpopular," it's more to the fact that they've been portrayed that way by Liberals and bleeding hearts who are seeking to eliminate private insurance and replace it with single payer.
And make no mistake - single-payer is THE goal. Don't believe it?
Ask Obama; he said so. So did that blithering idiot Jan Schakowsky. It's ON RECORD.
The "last socialist" option???
How clueless are you?
ObamaCare is about abrogation of personal responsibility, not promoting it.
Do you even understand how insurance works?
Do you have a basic understanding of who forced the country into this system, in the first place??
The reason you pay "the tab" for the uninsured is BECAUSE of government.
And now you're going to pay even more.
Don't think so? Think you've been given another "freebie" by your master, Obama?
Let me clue you into something: the reason Conservatives despise liberals is because Liberals are as dumb and uninformed as they come - but you all think you're geniuses.
ChrisChris| 7.5.12 @ 4:19PM
Okay, I concede that Obamacare isn't the "least socialist option." That would be letting the poor and uninsured die rather than provide minimal medical care, even in cases of emergency. If that is the society you desire, I think we can end this discussion because there is no common ground. I want the best possible medical care for as many people as possible; you couldn't care less about anybody but yourself.
A working-class family friend of mine died last month because he couldn't afford to see a doctor about his chest pains. I'd gladly pay higher taxes if it meant people like him wouldn't die needlessly because of income.
And you're correct, insurance companies are not completely "unregulated," but the new regulations in the ACA are very popular, such as abolishing pre-existing conditions. Or ensuring that companies spend at least 85% of premiums on health care (instead of spending as much as they want on CEO benefits and new skyscrapers).
And yes, the individual mandate is all about personal responsibility. Romney created it, and it wasn't a terrible idea (though I too think our health outcomes are worse than the rest of the developed world for a reason).
No, I'm not going to have a grade-school style argument about who's dumber, but I will let the couple readers of this page who occasionally stick their heads outside of the cesspool of talk radio decide who's more informed.
Jack London| 7.5.12 @ 4:33PM
"A working-class family friend of mine died last month because he couldn't afford to see a doctor about his chest pains."
That cannot be true. Conservatives have always said such things do not happen in America and they are always right.
CopyKatnj| 7.5.12 @ 8:21PM
"Eloquence may exist without a proportionate degree of wisdom." --author Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
Doctor Right| 7.5.12 @ 8:32PM
That's funny, coming from someone with a fifth-grade understanding of economics.
Can you explain exactly WHY an insurance company should cover for ore-existing conditions?
And do you even understand how insurance companies operate? The basics of profit and loss?
The most humane system in the world is capitalism; the least is socialism.
But you're too dumb to get that.
Doctor Right| 7.5.12 @ 8:32PM
That's funny, coming from someone with a fifth-grade understanding of economics.
Can you explain exactly WHY an insurance company should cover for ore-existing conditions?
And do you even understand how insurance companies operate? The basics of profit and loss?
The most humane system in the world is capitalism; the least is socialism.
But you're too dumb to get that.
Slacker| 7.5.12 @ 4:25PM
No. The most basic purpose of Obamacare is to transfer more of everybody’s money to the healthcare industry.
It was an impressive performance by the healthcare lobby. They exploited the natural inclinations of the left and got everything they wanted handed to them on a silver platter –feigning protest all the way. Liberals took the bait and still have no idea what happened.
Thom| 7.5.12 @ 10:58AM
William,
Two problems with your scenario. One, Scott Brown won an election promising to not vote for same law in a state that is the model for this nonsense on a much smaller per capita scale and two, there will be no recovery of the economy possible with all the “taxes” in ObamaCare and drag on the economy it places via government regulation. Business don't now and won’t later hire people it can’t afford due to hidden benefit cost per employee. There is a third reason but I’ll let you figure that part out for yourself.
Mike G| 7.5.12 @ 11:13AM
If Mitt wants to win, he should run on the economy. If he runs on repealing Obamacare, he will be a one term president--one term because he will be seen as a liar--a liar because of Nelson's Law: "Once you've given someone a government benefit, it is almost impossible to take it back."
Repubs will not repeal the law either because they won't have the congressional votes or they won't have the political will. Either way, we're stuck with Obamacare until we go broke.
LarryinTexas| 7.5.12 @ 12:16PM
Mike G, the problem I see with your reasoning is that you forget that Obamacare is as much about the economy as anything else. Why would I hire any new employees given the insurance costs I might incur? Even if I decide to dump my employees into the exchanges?
Obamacare is a part of what is killing this economy, along with all of the other job-killing regulations and policies of the Usurper.
I would suggest to you that there is a chance the Republicans take both Houses of Congress this fall. If you say "no chance," that only becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Mike G| 7.5.12 @ 1:57PM
Maybe the Republicans can take both Houses of Congress and the Presidency. But their history over the past several decades suggests they won't have the political will to reverse such major legislation. I would love to be wrong on this, but I fear I'm not.
Mike Giles| 7.5.12 @ 11:34AM
The left has trained us well. We have now internalized the idea that all left wing legislation is written in stone unless overturned by a court. SIMPLY REPEAL OBAMACARE. What is so difficult to understand about that idea?
TLP| 7.5.12 @ 3:26PM
It's even easier than that.
Just DEFUND IT, and refuse to ENFORCE ITS MANDATES, like The Muslim does, now, with LAWS that he doesn't like.
What's good for the Goose...............................
Seek| 7.5.12 @ 11:36AM
William Tucker has succinctly summarized why the new health care law isn't likely to be repealed anytime soon. Elections are decided by swing voters, not committed, issues-oriented party-liners. And swing voters move rightward or leftward, at a given point in time, depending on their perception of whether an existing regime is serving their interests. Generally, the swing vote is comfortable with the new health care arrangements, flawed as they are. It's the swing vote, after all, that put Obama in the White House in the first place.
Tucker recognizes, as all too few fellow conservatives won't, that Tea Party types are a rather small minority. Even many GOP party loyalists, far from marching in Tea Parties, prefer to speak of "doing something about health care." The consequences of policy-making don't concern them nearly as much as the feeling of Getting Things Done. President Obama knows this psychology and plays to it incessantly.
Even people who talk the talk won't walk the walk. Good luck to you, for example, telling "conservative" senior citizens that privatizing Social Security makes economic sense -- even Rep. Ron Paul admits he collects Social Security and refuses to opt out.
Yes, we need to repeal the Obama health care law. But repeal is a lot harder than it looks. Kudos to William Tucker for a bracing dose of political reality.
TLP| 7.5.12 @ 3:28PM
Tucker is a Chicken Shit Loser.
And a Microcosm of everything that's wrong with our Party.
MelvinNC| 7.5.12 @ 11:56AM
So right then and then I chose to make the military a career. I went through the next 16 years of being roasted and frozen alive, numerous job related injuries as an infantryman, fighting one war, and never being home. But one of the main We are in a damned if you do, and damned if you don't strategy. We go through life, and sometimes we make decisions that have life long effects on us, for better or for worse.
Many people, want someone else to take responsibility for them and take care of them from cradle to grave.
I joined the military in 1979, I was told that if I made the military a career for twenty years I and my family would receive free dental and free health care.
In the beginning I was not married and really intended at that time to not make the military a career. Even a short time after my enlistment I still wanted to get out and go back to my home state.
Just before my enlistment was up my wife asked me some simple questions, " What are you going to do for a job? Where are we going to live, and what happens if myself or the kids get sick?"
I saw her point, for I was totally unprepared to drag my family from a relatively stable atmosphere and subject them to who knows what by going back to my home state without being prepared.
things at the light of the tunnel so to speak was that upon getting out of the military after twenty years of honest and faithful service, the government was going to honor it's end of the bargain. Cont.
MelvinNC| 7.5.12 @ 12:05PM
I put up with allot of bull-squeeze, but the driving force behind me was my family and it's wellbeing. Now the government of whom I trusted at one time embarking on a plant to force my wife and I off our TRICARE Insurance Plan. Barrack Obmama himself said, "I will not sign the 2012 Def. Reauthorization Act until the DoD raises TRICARE fees as mandated earlier in the year."
The White House openly admits that it wants to force military retirees off our TRICARE insurance and onto Obama Care.
The point to this lengthy post? Well all make decisions in our lives good and bad. I made a good decision to stick with the military for twenty years. Now my wife and I are going to be forced off TRICARE Insurance for those who didn't make such good decisions because the Obama care, one person posted, "Obama-care brings about more individual responsibility for those that can afford it, and more support for those who can't." Cont.
TLP| 7.5.12 @ 3:34PM
I left the Military in 1979.
When I enlisted, While still in High School, in the First Wave of the all Volunteer Military, I was PROMISED. A shit load of Benifits, including FREE MEDICAL via the VA.
Now I'm told that MY WIFE makes too much Money.
I served.
Not my wife.
Now what?
I got FCKED, by a buncha CCKSCKRS who never put on the Uniform, and who could GIVE A SHIT, if I live, or Die
God Bless Amerika.
Thom| 7.5.12 @ 5:16PM
Melvin/TLP,
I was the last of the group that could have been drafted and sent to Vietnam in 1973. The ‘nam went volunteer while I was in boot camp and I enlisted. I was also the first generation of the Mod Squad so to speak who got paid a lot more than the previous generation of military personnel. From that point on, about 1973, the benefit cost of military personnel has skyrocketed faster than inflation. There are many reasons for this but the fact remains no nation can afford to pay service members what they make today and then pay benefit cost for another 40 years on top of that for those that put their “20” in and get out of the service at 38 years old. Before buying an “all volunteer” professional service with all sorts of “free” stuff promises, the typical enlistment was 4 years and composed of overwhelmingly single able bodied males. Today, the bulk of the benefit cost goes to cover families not single GIs as before.
Thom| 7.5.12 @ 5:18PM
continued
The Gis before me were paid about a third of what I was and given everything “free” and lived on base all the time. Now many have to live off base on the economy and have to pay for a lot of things that were once “free”. I’m not justifying what is being done here but the SF guys I know are pulling down 60K a year and still expect the same “free” stuff that those making $98.00 a month did in 1969. I was paid $288.00 a month in 1973. If it comes down to having to “buy” the people we have today at the cost of that vs. keeping a promise that is no longer fiscally possible you know who is going to win this. It is a smaller version of a much larger problem at the national welfare state level. The government lies and is not accountable for that pretty much most of the time.
TLP| 7.5.12 @ 6:11PM
So, your point is, what, exactly?
That I DON'T DESERVE the Benifits that I WAS PROMISED?
Is that what you're saying?
I gave 4 Years of my life, with the understanding that, in the least, I would recieve what was PROMISED TO ME in my Enlisted CONTRACT?
Is that what you're saying?
If it is?
GFYourself.
Thom| 7.5.12 @ 8:02PM
Timmy,
I wore the uniform for 6 years when it was mostly unpopular to wear one off the base. In fact “we” were ordered to not wear it off base for a portion of my enlistment and I’ve never asked the government for handouts after I got “free” of it. Get that Comrade?
I had a winning draft lottery number of 15 on my 18th birthday. What was yours with regard to giving up four years of your life that you weren’t compelled to do? I could be drafted and assigned to whatever the military needed me to do or I could enlist and have some choice in the matter. You speak like you had to go hold the Hot Gates against overwhelming odds or something.
Thom| 7.5.12 @ 8:03PM
Let’s deal with facts for a moment. The military I joined in 1972 was mostly non-combat billets. In WWII, only 25% of the 16,000,000 million that served at least as long as you did were combat billets and most of that force never saw combat or injury from their service. Today, only about 15% are combat billets and the overwhelming bulk of our 1.4 million force will never see combat and the majority will never leave the country or a naval ship or be assigned to a post in a hostile country. The people I pal around with have done several tours in Iraq and Afghanistan in and out of uniform over the last decade. I know some people who took hits in the “plates” in a place called the Mog back in 1993. They don’t wine like you do. They got on with their life without a government handout; apparently you can’t. It does happen for valid reasons but for the bulk of those drawing a pension starting in their 40s and expecting the same “free” benefits when they served this is just a microcosm of the larger welfare state mentality.
Thom| 7.5.12 @ 8:04PM
You don’t have to like the answer but only idiots think four years of service in the military that doesn’t injury you for life entitles you to decades of “free” healthcare like you got when you did “serve”. Yeah, they lied to you. Most of us that have served have been smart enough to figure that out long before having decades pass after separation from the service. You are apparently a slow learner with regard to the virtues of sucking on government’s teat?
Bill84728| 7.6.12 @ 9:20AM
What, the recruiter LIED? Actually LIED? Say it ain't so!
Bill84728| 7.6.12 @ 9:25AM
And then, after the recruiter, the government then LIED? Again? The government? No, it couldn't be.
Just to put it in perspective, one of my ancestors fought the United States government for years over its promise to reimburse him for the loss of his powder horn in battle, broken by a redcoat's bullet. He also was promised a plot land in the western Mohawk Valley. He went into the Continental Army from the irregulars (the Green Mountain Boys) in Vermont, returned to Vermont after the Revolution, fought the U.S. government over his land grant, never got the land, and died in Vermont.
Service in the armed forces is so often a "tough noogies" kind of thing that teenagers make jokes about it. Right before they get drunk and enlist. Ask kids who were of enlistment age in the 1970s about the recruiters telling them they would learn about computers after they joined up. Right after a tour in Nam.
MelvinNC| 7.5.12 @ 12:04PM
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need(s)" Carl Marx
LarryinTexas| 7.5.12 @ 12:12PM
Bill Tucker -
They said Scott Walker was dead in Wisconsin. They said the Republicans couldn't win control of the House in 2010. They said Obama can't be beaten.
Notice the comparisons there? The first two are predictions pundits made that were proven WRONG. The third prediction will also be proven wrong.
Your pessimism is seriously flawed here. You've been spending too much time in the mountains, I fear. Please get back down here to earth like the rest of us, and help fight. Your negativism only hurts us, not helps.
Over 70% of the American public despises Obamacare. Over two-thirds of the public disapproves of the decision of the Supreme Court. Where is this grounds to say Romney can't win the election?
This is not punditry; it is sheer dunderheadedness on your part.
TLP| 7.5.12 @ 3:39PM
Wisconsin is in play.
Michigan is in play.
Pennsylvania, Ohio, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania are in play.
Florida, Virginia, New Hampshire, and North Carolina, are in play.
This POS is going down, like the son of an Atheist/Communist Whore, that he is.
You think thing are Bad, now?
You just wait.
MelvinNC| 7.5.12 @ 12:14PM
This new system of posting really, really sucks.
Conservative Bob| 7.5.12 @ 12:20PM
It really does.... I am able to get abvout 1/3 of what I want to actually post... seriously sucks
TLP| 7.5.12 @ 3:40PM
And, would it kill these MFers, to give us an EDIT OPTION?
KyMouse| 7.5.12 @ 4:08PM
When I click on a comment in order to reply to it, the site takes me to the sign-in page, and then I have to go back into the comments to find the one about which I wanted to comment. It would be nice to go straight back to the comment.
And it would also be nice to have a countdown of words or spaces we have left per comment. Lots of sites have that.
Thom| 7.5.12 @ 4:45PM
It was mandated under Congress's taxing authority in order to be “fair” to those that can’t compose anything longer than fits in a 2 inch text box on government issued cell phone. If TAS doesn't do it they will be assessed a "tax-penalty" equal to 1% of their revenue times the number of characters posted that don’t agree with the government positions on said topic.
Thom| 7.5.12 @ 5:19PM
spaces are also counted as "characters". Has to be a government mandate....
SSG Baker| 7.13.12 @ 10:29AM
;P Have to do this, actually in ASCII spaces have a numerical value assigned and therefore are technically characters... :P
highflyinbrien| 7.5.12 @ 12:32PM
This article is filled with more crap than a Christmas goose! This is exactly the same kind of thinking that got us into this mess in the first place. Not only CAN Obamacare be neutered and repealed...IT WILL BE...then I'll want to hear what Mr. Tucker has to say.
Jeffrey| 7.5.12 @ 12:54PM
Please stop it with the "GOP hasn't done anything about jobs" routine. Do your research (and not just one site) and you'll find that NO ONE has introduced a "Jobs" bill, even Obama. They have labelled them as everything but a jobs bill. here's a quick breakdown of the bills involving "jobs" for FY 2011 for Congress;
Economic development: 64 bills
Economic performance and conditions: 55 bills
Employee hiring: 24 bills
Employment and training programs: 172 bills
Labor and employment: 151 bills
Unemployment: 107 bills
Wages and earnings: 143 bills
So quit reading the "blurbs" from others and put in some time into your own research before laying out facts that simply are NOT TRUE.
FYI - The above bills were brought to the floor by both Parties and passed Congress, most just never made it past the Senate...
TLP| 7.5.12 @ 3:42PM
The people of Nevada have given us Harry Ried, and they must be PUNISHED.
Boycott everything associated with NEVADA.
Fck'em.
jdondet| 7.5.12 @ 12:54PM
Mr. Tucker:
I cannot go along with you on your latest article. Essentially your argument comes down to this, Obama and the Democrats won and now Obama care is here and all of us should just choke it down.
You list all the faults of allowing this law to remain in place but tell us to do nothing about it. Repealing it is a loser. Never mind the 2010 election results are in direct response to Obama care. It is a loser to oppose Obama care now, do nothing because five unelected people said so.
The loser now, really is a candidate. Who is flawed because he has already pushed through into law, his own version of Obama care! Mr. Tucker your advice in your article is moral cowardice. When something is wrong and you do nothing in opposition to set it right is to acquiesce to it.
Jeffrey| 7.5.12 @ 12:59PM
Well said.
TLP| 7.5.12 @ 3:52PM
Indeed.
francisdesales| 7.5.12 @ 1:55PM
"It's going to be decided by people in the middle who don't care much one way or another but are asking, "What's in it for me?"
Exactly, so upon further examination of Obamacare, how is anyone think that they will come out ahead???
The Republicans should concentrate on the economy, not this smoke and mirrors of "universal health care", another socialist idea that America doesn't need. We can talk about AFFORDABLE health care later. Forget Universal Health Care.
To say that the Dems have already 'won the election' is utterly ridiculous. Has the author already forgotten 2010? What exactly happened during those elections again?
Controse| 7.5.12 @ 2:38PM
Just because Mr. Tucker posts here doesn't mean anyone who is looking for leadership to take back our liberties granted by the Constitution should read him. If ObamaCare lives, liberty dies.
Thom| 7.5.12 @ 2:54PM
William,
Have you considered that the film served the Communist’s purpose? How did the film really end in the eyes of the average communist slave in 1960? They were right back where they started and both were equally miserable. The central enabling MO of all the flavors of Marx is “misery like company”. That’s what the film’s ending reinforced for the masses that had already lived under Marx for 4 decades. Look at any of the cultures that have shown a consistent susceptibility to the lies of Marx, Black Africans and their decedents here, Hispanics, Asians and you will find a willingness to live under such tyranny as long as no one else gets ahead in society. Envy, the central sin of Marx is a self-fulfilling prophecy unless the victims are willing to fight to be free of it. We have a lot of data points in this regard. Polanski’s film didn’t cause the Soviet Union to collapse nor did its slaves fight and win their freedom. Indeed, for most life is worse off today in the former Soviet Union because the outcome of Polanski’s film has been institutionalized into their culture and their expectations. What you are suggesting is that we get down on our knees and spread our legs wide in service for the King because we cannot undo this…. My DNA is not wired like that but “hey, that’s just me”.
tenchaps| 7.5.12 @ 3:03PM
Mr. Tucker ignores the best evidence for what the electorate will do in response to a situation where Obamacare is regarded as settled law: the 2010 elections. The majority of voters in 2010 did not conclude that they would enjoy improved health care under the Act. Rather, they assumed, and still assume, that they will pay more for worse care. If Republicans capture the Presidency and both Houses this fall, they can repeal Obamacare. Since the Senate ultimately passed it on a simple majority vote, the Senate can repeal it in the same manner.
Oldefarte| 7.5.12 @ 3:38PM
Did everyone see where the Democrats invaded California?????? :
http://youtu.be/zrNu3mOYySg
Who Knows?| 7.5.12 @ 3:48PM
Wrong.
TLP| 7.5.12 @ 3:57PM
Which means - Right.
If anyone DOESN'T KNOW?
It's Who Knows.
And, by the way.
GFY, Douchebag.
Oldefarte| 7.5.12 @ 4:14PM
This is WHY you should pull the Republican lever in November:
'.....The former Countrywide Financial Corp., whose subprime loans helped start the nation's foreclosure crisis, made hundreds of discount loans to buy influence with members of Congress, congressional staff, top government officials and executives of troubled mortgage giant Fannie Mae, according to a House report.... :
—Former Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd, D-Conn.
—Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad, D-N.D.......
—Rep. Howard "Buck" McKeon, R-Calif., chairman of the House Armed Services Committee.
—Rep. Edolphus Towns, D-N.Y., former chairman of the Oversight Committee. Towns issued the first subpoena to Bank of America for Countrywide documents, and current Chairman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., subpoenaed more documents. ....
—Rep. Elton Gallegly, R-Calif.
—Top staff members of the House Financial Services Committee.
—A staff member of Rep. Ruben Hinojosa, D-Texas, a member of the Financial Services Committee.
—Former Rep. Tom Campbell, R-Calif.
—Former Housing and Urban Development Secretaries Alphonso Jackson and Henry Cisneros; former Health and Human Services Secretary Donna Shalala. The VIP unit processed Cisneros's loan after he joined Fannie's board of directors........'
Oldefarte| 7.5.12 @ 4:26PM
Maybe Jesse Sr and Al should protest this instead of the Zimmermann situation???? :
'....U.S. Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. is suffering from "physical and emotional ailments" that require extended in-patient treatment, according to a statement from his office Thursday.
The Chicago Democrat, who faces a House ethics investigation over his ties to imprisoned former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, has been on medical leave for three weeks for exhaustion, news his office announced last week in a three-sentence statement. But no details about Jackson's whereabouts and condition have been released since then.A statement from his office on Thursday did not disclose his location or provide details of his medical condition. Messages left for his spokesmen were not immediately returned.
"Congressman Jackson's medical condition is more serious than we thought and initially believed," the statement said. "Recently, we have been made aware that he has grappled with certain physical and emotional ailments privately for a long period of time. At present, he is undergoing further evaluation and treatment at an in-patient medical facility."The statement said Jackson, 47, will need "extended in-patient treatment as well as continuing medical treatment thereafter."Messages left Thursday for his wife, Chicago Alderman Sandi Jackson, and a brother who is a professor in Chicago, were not immediately returned. Jackson's father, the Rev. Jesse Jackson, did not immediately have a comment.....'
Thom| 7.5.12 @ 4:31PM
In Econ101/102 classes you are usually taught that something is only worth what someone is willing to pay you for it and that business does not pay “taxes”, they collect them. Businesses complain the most about the cost of collecting them. Secondary is the hit they take in TR (Total Revenue) due to the increased cost of services and goods that “taxes” and government regulation represent. It is not an exaggeration to say that about 20% of everything we buy is paying for government on top of that which we directly pay to government as individuals.
King ObamaCare in direct and indirect “taxes” and regulations that will ultimately be passed on in the form of higher cost goods and services which will further reduce net economic activity adding more to the deficit than can be projected now with static economic models. In an ideal free market model, multiple service and price points will be provided to cover the largest market possible. In a government controlled market, there is just one price and service level eventually. The government set price typical won’t cover the government demanded service thus service levels will fall as they have in every socialized health care nation on the planet. Those with the “means” will have to go off network to get the services they can afford. Those that can’t will be left waiting in line for things they think they should get for “free”.
Thom| 7.5.12 @ 4:31PM
continued
You also learn in Econ that if you distort the true cost of something by making it “free” the artificial demand for it will drive its price off the chart. Who made healthcare “free” in the 1960s to tens of millions of people who didn’t pay for the services they got?
Thom| 7.5.12 @ 4:38PM
continued
When I look back at my adult life time medical cost, about $18,000 in 2012 dollars and at the cost of my pre-paid medical insurance over the same 39 years, about $175,000 and counting, it is clear what the solution is regarding healthcare cost. Everything government has forced upon the population to subsidize for some select group of people has led to wide scale fraud and misuse of “other people’s money”. You can’t sleep with the devil and expect to not get burned eventually.
Hardcard| 7.5.12 @ 4:33PM
check out john roberts at Wikipedia prior Hogan & Hartson pro bone for romer v. evans very interesting
KRoyall| 7.5.12 @ 4:40PM
You can tear apart in pieces. It's a tax, repeal the tax. That's a start. Enough of this defeatist talk.
RJ| 7.5.12 @ 6:59PM
Mr. Tucker,
Repeal may be difficult, but failure is not an option.
Obamacare is tied to the poor economic performance. Both are the harmful effects an over-controlling government.
ReaganConservative4ever| 7.5.12 @ 10:14PM
Thank You Mr William Tucker, for if it weren't for you, we would not know how many, and to what extent the capitulators and abdicators of US Constitutional Rights, Freedoms, and Liberties there are in the conservative arena. Thank Goodness General George Washington, Presidents Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan never thought like you do.
I am not saying this for Mitt Romney's sake, for any other gutless weak kneed capitulating appeasing Republicrat RINO's like Romney, Boehner, and McConnell, have no sake..
I say this for the American people's sake, Freedom and Liberty's sake, and America's sake. For when we finally do repeal Obamacare, it will not be due to these weak kneed gutless Republicrat RINO's, as it will be no thanks to them, but will be due to the patriotic American People's unrelenting unwaivering tireless efforts to remove Obama from office, getting a political Majority in the US Senate, and installing as many Reagan Tea Party Conservatives in Congress as possible in the House of Representatives.
quote-
"Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid"
President Ronald Wilson Reagan
Manse| 7.5.12 @ 10:20PM
Hey Tuck, the tea party is more than going to a meeting or carrying a protest sign.
It is about saving this republic. If the skinny marxist wins you ain't seen nothing yet.
Basset Hound| 7.5.12 @ 11:26PM
It's late, and I'm tired.
Please forgive me if I fail to see any point to this article other than the fact that we should just throw in the towel and submit to our country's health care system becoming just like Britain's?
Osamas Pajamas| 7.6.12 @ 9:21PM
Well, heck, this ain't brain surgery or rocket science. We're all trained in the use of knives, now, having spent the past 3 or 4 years stabbing away at that piece of trash now infecting the White House.
Let's elect Romney and a bunch of Republicans to the Senate and House --- and if they turn out to be a bunch of limp dicks on the subject of repeal-and-replace -- let's chop THEM to pieces, too --- and give them no quarter and no peace.
At some point these Washington bxstxrds have to get on board with a market-based healthcare system --- or we have to get in their faces every fkg day, day after day, month after month, year after year....
Sam Adams says, “It does not take a majority to prevail….but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.”
And THAT'S when you're in the MINORITY --- and WE'RE NOT!
So slap yourselves in the face, lads, and get out the knives --- and if Mitch McConnell is going to continue his impersonation of an fkg rotten banana leaking all over the dais, then let's get a new leader in there, right away.