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Special Report
Small Victories in Arizona Immigration Decision
But immigration remains unmistakably under federal authority — and a political football this election year.
On Monday, the Supreme Court ruled that most of Arizona’s controversial immigration law, SB1070, is preempted by federal jurisdiction over immigration policy. The Court upheld the part of the law that allows (or in some cases requires) police officers to check the immigration status of those they detain for other reasons. But even this aspect of the law was upheld narrowly (on grounds that it is too early to rule on whether it is preempted by federal law) and is likely to be subject to further challenge.
Within minutes, Arizona Governor Jan Brewer released a statement, which begins as follows:
Today’s decision by the U.S. Supreme Court is a victory for the rule of law. It is also a victory for the 10th Amendment and all Americans who believe in the inherent right and responsibility of states to defend their citizens. After more than two years of legal challenges, the heart of SB 1070 can now be implemented in accordance with the U.S. Constitution.
The governor doth protest too little; it is not a great legal victory for Arizona.
There was a surprising consistency of reasonable characterization in “mainstream media” early reaction, such as the Washington Post calling the ruling a “partial victory” for the Obama administration, and a Phoenix CBS television station describing it as a “small victory.” Even Reuters’ initial analysis was entitled “High Court upholds key part of Arizona immigration law.”
As if to rub salt in Arizona’s wound, later on Monday the Obama administration ended what are known as “287 agreements” with Arizona which had effectively deputized local law enforcement officials to help implement federal immigration law. One can just hear Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano cackling, “How does that ‘victory’ feel now, Jan?”
While both sides may claim they earned a minor victory, the larger legal victory was the administration’s. The bigger question is the political impact. With a majority of Americans in favor of the Arizona law but a majority of Hispanics against it, the result looks to be a mixed bag, though more likely a negative among the large and critical bloc of independent “swing” voters — if the Republicans and Mitt Romney gain the skill and courage to use the issue to their advantage.
Although almost all of the Arizona law was struck down, the part that was upheld (though it is far from safe from a future challenge, which could come within days), a provision that opponents call “show me your papers,” is a real deterrent to illegal alien presence in the state — or it would be in an environment in which the federal government was enforcing federal law.
If Arizona were told “you can have only one section of SB1070 upheld, which would you like it to be?” it probably would have opted for Section 2, the part that was at least temporarily — and unanimously — allowed to stand.
After all, provisions making a state crime of behavior that is already a federal crime are not likely to deter those willing to violate federal law. It is only the chance of being caught and prosecuted that might serve as deterrence. Monday’s ruling allows to stand the section of SB1070 that increases the chance of being caught, though eliminating the sections that make it more likely an illegal alien will be prosecuted.
Prosecution will remain the province of the federal government, but today’s actions by the administration may make illegal aliens feel more comfortable dipping their toes into Arizona sand: Not only did the administration end the 287 agreements, but, according to the Washington Times, “it has issued a directive telling federal authorities to decline many of the calls reporting illegal immigrants that the Homeland Security Department may get from Arizona police.”
A Romney campaign ad of a hypothetical Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency (ICE) answering machine message should be in the offing…
With the Obama administration looking to gut immigration law as we head into the November elections, Section 2 will be a distinct thorn in its side because it will increase the number of referrals to ICE of illegal aliens caught in Arizona. Those statistics, combined with actual deportation data, will put the administration in a position of either having to deport more people, which it will not do, or to be attacked — justifiably — for not enforcing the law.
Given President Obama’s recent announcement that ICE and the Department of Homeland Security will stop enforcing immigration law when it comes to illegal aliens who were brought here as children and who do not have criminal records, it is clear that his administration prefers to risk a non-enforcement accusation than to be seen as immigration hawks.
The Pew Hispanic Center estimates that “Up to 1.4 million children and young adults who are in the United States illegally could potentially benefit” from the policy change, “represent[ing] about 12% of the 11.2 million unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. as of 2010…”
About the Author
Ross Kaminsky is a self-employed trader and investor and is a senior fellow of the Heartland Institute. He is the host of The Ross Kaminsky Show on Denver’s NewsRadio 850 KOA at 11 AM on most Sundays. You can reach Ross by e-mail at rossputin(at)rossputin(dot)com.
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btims86| 6.26.12 @ 6:21AM
The Beltway Political Elite (both partes), want never-ending, mass immigration because it a) feeds business with cheap labor and b) feeds Big Government and thus the "need" for more govt. spending on social programs.
The United Nations wants the United States to increase our population to half a billion and we are complying by taking half of Mexico, China, India and our Mohammedan "friends" from the Middle East.
Good-bye USA......
TLP| 6.26.12 @ 7:14AM
It feeds business with cheap labour?
What businesses?
We have Businesses?
Brooksifier | 6.26.12 @ 8:06AM
There is one solution:
brush up on your spanish.
TLP| 6.26.12 @ 8:46AM
Shouldn't you be wiping Vaseline offa yourself?
Boar Hunter| 6.26.12 @ 10:18AM
Does that mean you are going to be able to say stupid stuff and lie in two languages?
Albert Constantine Jr.| 6.26.12 @ 12:25PM
Brooks can be wrong in any language.
Oldefarte| 6.26.12 @ 12:44PM
Might want to brush up on your English, since Spanish is a proper noun which should be capitalized with a capital '''''S''''''!!!!!!
Brooksifier | 6.26.12 @ 2:05PM
the proper noun being capitalized doesn't change the situation. You ought to know, Oldfarte- you live in a border state, right?
Oldefarte| 6.27.12 @ 2:06PM
We ALL live "in a border state" for immigration law non-enforcement purposes!!!!!!!
Slacker| 6.26.12 @ 12:21PM
Republicans haven’t yet figured out how to properly pander but they have Senator Rubio working on it.
JmsA| 6.26.12 @ 1:40PM
They've pandering to the hispanics for a long time, or did you conveniently forget about the amnesty Reagan signed into law in 1986? They've been pandering long before Rubio showed up.
Slacker| 6.26.12 @ 2:03PM
I meant effective pandering. A cynic might conclude that if amnesty didn’t work for the Republicans then nothing will. Try and try again I guess.
RCV| 6.26.12 @ 11:16PM
Amnesty for the GOP was pandering to Agribusiness, not Hispanics.
Oldefarte| 6.27.12 @ 2:09PM
Since amnesty is pardons for offenses [legally implied], I wasn't aware that Agribusiness [ie farmers] had been breaking laws. Care to elaborate??????????
RCV| 6.28.12 @ 8:40PM
The motivation for the Reagan amnesty move was pressure from both Agribusiness and the Chamber of Commerce who wanted stability in the supply of low-cost labor.
RCV| 6.28.12 @ 8:41PM
When Reagan was our Governor -- and a fine one he was -- he strongly supported the Bracero Program which allowed importation of cheap Mexican labor for California agribusiness.
TLP| 6.26.12 @ 6:30AM
Obama sure looks like he's "in over his head", doesn't he? He sure looks like "an empty suit". Like an "Amateur".
He just gave Illegals, ALL OF THEM, Amnesty. Not enforcing a Law, makes that Law NONEXISTENT. He has said that "I am the Light and the Way. I am the Alpha and the Omega. I am Congress and The Supreme Court."
"I will decide which Laws are to be enforced."
"I will decide what is Constitutional."
"I will decide when the Senate is in Recess."
And, his opposition has done WHAT, exactly, to stop him? Whom is the Amateur?
That's right. We're about to be overrun with more Illegals then ever before.
TLP| 6.26.12 @ 7:12AM
Like Hitler, he could have been stopped before he got started. His opponents downplayed the threats of the little Corporal, of the little Paper Hanger, until it was much too late. He and his Cult following, took the reigns of Power in Germany BY THE THROAT, and held on with a tight grip until Germany was Dead.
Obama has kept his word. He has Fundamentally Transformed America in to a full fledged European Social Democracy, (Poor and Weak and on the verge of Collapse) He has Shredded the Constitution. Sh*t on his Oath of Office to Enforce the Laws. Sent American Companies running for their lives, much like the WWII Jews of Europe, and now he puts the final nail in to us by Flooding our Country with Spanish Speaking South Americans, who will finalize the Death by Balkanization Plan, that this Hitler has always ascribed to.
And the sad part is that he could have been Stopped at the Pass. If the Republicans had shown ONE OUNCE OF RESOLVE this could have been prevented. If they cared just a little bit more about this Country than they did, "How will we look in the Papers?" we would not be here today. We could have had Cut, Cap, and Balance. We could have SHUT HIM DOWN, if we weren't so afraid of "Shutting Down" the government. As if shutting it down was a Bad Thing.
Hitler did what he did because no-one stopped him.
SIEG HEIL!
Obama does what he does cause no-one wants to be seen as "Thwarting the 1st Black President" while he's busy Destroying every aspect of the Country.
Von Mises Jr| 6.26.12 @ 8:58AM
Methinks that we have shot past a European style Social Democracy and catapulted right into a banana republic.
JmsA| 6.26.12 @ 1:41PM
There's a lot of truth in your post, VM Jr.
Oldefarte| 6.26.12 @ 12:45PM
Amen....pure TRUTH!!!!!!!
chuck| 6.26.12 @ 7:16AM
TLP,
We would be run over by more illegals, but Obama cured that by destroying the economy. I know a lot of Mexicans who went home because there are no more construction jobs.
We need to keep reminding legal Hispanics about Fast and Furious, and the number of their countrymen that have been murdered by the weapons Obama allowed to "walk" into Mexico.
irish19| 6.26.12 @ 11:30AM
An excellent idea!
Brooksifier | 6.26.12 @ 2:07PM
"I know a lot of Mexicans who went home because there are no more construction jobs."
You are happy about that, aren't you?
irish19| 6.26.12 @ 5:35PM
About the Mexicans going home? Yes!! About the lack of construction jobs? Not so much.
Oldefarte| 6.27.12 @ 2:12PM
If all government welfare was eliminated allowing US citizens to thereafter assume the jobs now performed by illegals, thereby allowing same illegals to return home, YES, YOU'RE DAMNED RIGHT MANY OF US WOULD BE "happy about that"!!!!!!!!!!!
Doctor Right| 6.26.12 @ 7:42AM
He is NOT a mastermind; he's a liberal ideologue.
Everything he does is straight from the left wing play-book, and utterly predictable.
In fact, if you'd been paying attention, maybe you'd have noticed that many people - Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Michelle Malkin, etc - have predicted Obama's every move for the last 4 years.
He's an unimaginative buffoon propped-up by a fawning, complicit press and a huge bureaucracy.
Good grief, you're tedious.
Can you put your one-note drum away?
TLP| 6.26.12 @ 8:50AM
I think he's talking to you, chuck.
He doesn't talk to me.
He just runs along behind me, sniffing my @ss, as you can see.
Doctor Right| 6.26.12 @ 9:40AM
Have you prepared your next paint-by-numbers flowchart post, yet?
I can't wait to see it! I'm sure it will have lots of juicy insight.
And have you finished your article, yet? You know...the one you're going to submit to TASOnline? The one that will kick-start your career as a wise sage and much sought-after political pundit and advisor?
Or do you prefer being an anonymous, utterly derivative master-of-the-obvious on an internet forum?
I think we know the answer...
Brooksifier | 6.26.12 @ 2:09PM
He is a member of Stormfront.
Doctor Right| 6.26.12 @ 9:32PM
Uh-huh.
They kicked him out for being too mean spirited.
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 4:10PM
Ruh-roh - you mean he's the decider?
Von Mises Jr| 6.26.12 @ 7:09AM
Momentous travesties have occurred throughout history based on class and race conflict. The Industrial Revolution that resulted in the end of Serfdom climaxed in the French Revolution. It was class envy by the elites like Obama and his Regressive Party versus the success of the bourgeoisie that is American capitalism.
The age of Imperialism resulted in the human zoos of colonialism and the ethnic cleansing seen in Nazi Germany, Kosovo and throughout the African continent. It created the World War and ethnic cleansing.
Obama and his Regressive Party seek power by inciting both class and race tensions. Robespierre and Hitler tried these strategies. It didn't work out so well.
This appears to be the only strategy Obama and the Regressives have left in their bag of tricks. In November, America will decide if the wish to pursue this future.
TLP| 6.26.12 @ 7:28AM
It's ALWAYS the same old Story.
It always Starts with a Good Speaking, Charasmatic Leader, who promises Hope and Change, and A New Order.
First comes the pretty words, and the adoration of the Masses.
Then comes the Division of the people by Race, Creed. Colour, and Religion. Groups are Identified, and Singled Out as Enemies of the State, soon to be shipped off to the Camps.
Their Leader, flush in his sense of Omnipotence, combined with an ever increasing feeling of Paranoia, starts seeing Enemies, in every corner. At every turn.
He quickly sets up a Police State, and the Crackdowns on Freedom and Liberty come in waves, until, at last, the Camel's Back is broken.
The people rise up.
Everybody dies.
Pass Go.
Collect $200.
Start over.
History 101.
Doctor Right| 6.26.12 @ 7:44AM
You forgot the part where the sky begins to fall...
TLP| 6.26.12 @ 8:59AM
Look.
I get it. You've got some kind of Gay Man Crush, on me. Great. Lucky me. But, you're wasting your time.
Alan Brooks is the guy you want.
Or, Purp, or DRed.
I would have thought that Occam would have scolded you, by now, for nipping at the heels of people who are your Intellectual Betters.
Go bet yourself a Magazine, and hide out in the bathroom for a while. Something that's gonna get ya all excited.
Does anyone know if they still print BOYS LIFE?
Doctor Right| 6.26.12 @ 9:47AM
Actually, you DON'T get it.
And that's the point. Always has been.
You're an insufferable blowhard who basically posts the same things over and over and over...and none of it contributes a nickel to the conversation.
I don't know what's funnier...your incessant need to repeatedly post - IN BOLD TYPE - things we've all known about Obama for years, or your habit of critiquing the authors about their preferred topics, as opposed to what they actually said.
It's a childishly narcissistic way for making the conversation about you and your "brilliant" insight, as opposed to actually making an intelligent contribution to the discussion.
If it makes you feel better to assume that you're an "intellectual better," then go with it! Perhaps it's good therapy..?
TLP| 6.26.12 @ 6:33PM
Actually, it's "Childish" for you to keep sniffing my ass.
Doctor Right| 6.26.12 @ 7:15PM
Another snappy comeback.
Any other witticisms, L'il Timmy?
Doctor Right| 6.26.12 @ 7:15PM
Another snappy comeback.
Any other witticisms, L'il Timmy?
Oldefarte| 6.26.12 @ 12:47PM
You're both correct, as the sky has already begun to crumble and will fall in entirety within three years of his re-election [and that's a FACT]!!!!!
RCV| 6.26.12 @ 1:08PM
Better wear a hat then, Oldfarte.
Brooksifier | 6.26.12 @ 2:11PM
TLP is a good enough writer to work at Stormfront, editing David Duke's editorials.
TLP| 6.26.12 @ 6:34PM
Like I said, before.
Shouldn't you be wiping Vaseline offa yourself?
Oldefarte| 6.27.12 @ 2:15PM
Wearing "a hat" will do absolutely no good whatsoever. Might I suggest a storm shelter loaded with second amendment hardware???
RCV| 6.28.12 @ 8:42PM
Good idea. I'll let you know when it's safe to come out!
TLP| 6.26.12 @ 4:14PM
No.
He is never right.
He just sniffs my ass.
Doctor Right| 6.26.12 @ 7:16PM
Compared to you, I'm Steve Jobs, Albert Einstein, and William Shakespeare all rolled into one.
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 7:45AM
Small victory? The Supreme Court crushed this racist and un-American law. What it left open is simply because the "papers please" law has not gone into effect. Once it does, THEN we'll be back at the Supremes to smash this law once and for all.
And Jan Brewer, that skank, was out there touting a victory? She's as clueless as a shriveled up old actress without makeup - oh, that's her real description. HA!
CJW| 6.26.12 @ 8:35AM
ObamaboyPurpie,
The Court struck down enforcement provisions based on the preemption doctrine, not that the law was racist or un American. Not that you would understand,. The health care law will be struck down as unconstitutional. The Obama regime reacted in typical lawless fashion, they will reply to the calls from Arizona to verify immigration status. So when Arizona police call ICE they will get a recording playing an Obama speech or Obama doing an Al Green song or that Obama is busy fundraising, or playing golf.
CJW| 6.26.12 @ 8:36AM
correction "They will NOT reply to the Arizona calls..."
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 9:01AM
Arizona tried to take the laws into their own hands, and they got smacked down by the Supremes. And, it is racist, targeting one group of people over another.
Now, let's try stopping everyone, white, black, brown for their papers and you'll get a taste of what the Nazis and the Gestapo were like. Then we can talk about AZ's American "law" - oh, wait, we do that now with Voter ID laws.
Welcome to the police state.
CJW| 6.26.12 @ 9:58AM
I, and everyone elese, need a photo ID to enter the Federal Building, and many other government buildings. If you had a job you might know this.
Can I tell the federal marshall that ObamaboyPurpie says we have a police state and I don't have to show my photo ID?
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 11:36AM
No shit, Sherlock. But - the right to vote is enshrined in the US Constitution specifically called out in the Constitution. Access to buildings, a driving license, fishing, hunting etc. are not. It is a false comparison, and Voter ID laws are meant to suppress the vote and is political, nothing more.
irish19| 6.26.12 @ 11:41AM
Bullshit! Proving that you are who you say you are is hardly voter suppression. Are you trying to tell me that those who want to vote are either too lazy or too incompetent to acquire some type of valid photo ID in the roughly four and a half months between now and the election?
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 4:13PM
Irish - it is voter suppression when the law is solving a non-problem. Voter fraud is next to non-existent. And that's all that Voter ID would avoid. Voter suppression is always in progress someway, somehow.
irish19| 6.26.12 @ 5:40PM
So why is DOJ preventing Florida from purging its voter rolls of dead, moved, and otherwise ineligible people?
"it is voter suppression when the law is solving a non-problem. "
No, it isn't. Especially if, and I confess I don't know for certain whether or not this is the case, a valid ID for purposes of voting would also constitute valid ID for other things for which valid ID is required.
"Voter suppression is always in progress someway, somehow."
That would be the NBPP types that DOJ dropped charges against, right?
Oldefarte| 6.27.12 @ 1:47PM
How is not having a photo ID "suppression"? It's STUPIDITY, but it ain't SUPPRESSION!!!!
Anthony| 6.26.12 @ 12:09PM
One has to be willfully obtuse, or, as I am wont to say, morally and intellectually bankrupt, if you cannot discern that voter ID is to protect the system from illegally cast votes.
Be it multiple votes by blue eyed, blonde haired union thugs, thanks to same day voter registration, or illegal aliens being allowed to cast votes to disenfranchise MINE!!
No matter, talking to trolls is a waste of time. Cher and corrupt Maxine are right for once, we need a revolution to get rid of all the dead wood.
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 4:18PM
Ant- show me the proof that voter fraud is any kind of problem ANYWHERE. Put your money where your talking point mouth is. The talking point is given to you to shut you up and give you a way to attack the detractors - and you fall for it all the time.
You really are that stupid you think an illegal alien would take the chance of getting caught and deported by trying to vote? You're dumber than I thought. Have you ever voted? But you're okay disenfranchising American citizens, like they have in Florida? THAT's okay, right? Idiot.
Ross Kaminsky| 6.26.12 @ 9:35PM
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/.....oter-Fraud
Oldefarte| 6.27.12 @ 1:45PM
You really are quite stupid or maybe simply just typically brainwased into stupidity by Democrats aka domestic terrorists. Voter fraud does not occur as you describe, and I won't waste time explaining it to you. Simply google '''''ACORN''''''if you're that interested, okay??????????
Bydand76| 6.26.12 @ 12:59PM
Oh please, Your argument is specious at best Purp.
The right to keep and bear arms is enshrined in the Constitution as well and yet, you need an ID to purchase a firearm.... This is not a difficult concept to understand.
Voter ID laws are for the protection of the Republic and it is only the Left which howls with righteous,shrieking, indignity whenever the subject comes up.
Get a better example to illustrate your point.
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 4:20PM
I would be fine with it, IF the government issued the Voter ID free of charge to American citizens to vote where they happen to be on Election Day.
Given that, I'm all for it. Otherwise, it's a poll tax, a hurdle to voting - always put in place by the Right, why?
irish19| 6.26.12 @ 5:44PM
"IF the government issued the Voter ID free of charge to American citizens to vote where they happen to be on Election Day."
I would agree with that. At least one state is providing the IDs free of charge. However, they are still being castigated for having the temerity to require any ID at all.
On this, Bydand is right. It always seems to be the left that squeals like frightened little girls when this issue is raised.
Oldefarte| 6.27.12 @ 1:52PM
'free of charge'? So all of these city/county clerks working in drivers license bureaus should be stripped of their salaries/benefits after 'free of charge' results in no revenue from licenses are generated and therefore ther's nothing to pay their salaries etc from, right DA????????
Oldefarte| 6.26.12 @ 1:05PM
"It is a false comparison, and Voter ID laws are meant to suppress the vote and is political, nothing more" is a GD lie and you know it! It's simply PROVING YOUR IDENTY OR WHO YOU REALLY ARE. Stopped by a cop for speeding? SHOW ME YOUR DRIVERS LICENSE. Write a personal check for a purchase? SHOW ME YOUR DRIVERS LICENSE. Enter a foreign country? SHOW ME YOUR PHOTO ID'D PASSPORT. Eveybody has a drivers license and those that do not, can just as easily obtain a non-drivers photo ID from their state licensing bureaus. Take your raced based politics and SHOVE IT WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 4:22PM
Fart, fart, fart - Issue the Voter ID card free of charge for the right that I have to vote and I'm good. But that's not the point.
Oldefarte| 6.27.12 @ 1:58PM
"free of charge" again? Fine, let all stop paying taxes, and then everything will be FREE OF CHARGE, right???????
CJW| 6.26.12 @ 1:28PM
Obamaboy,
You get more stupid every day.
Where in the Constitution does is state that you do not have to prove your identity when you vote?
I have a constitutional right to a jury trial, but to have a jury trial I have to enter the Courthouse, and I have to show photo ID in most courthouses.
Ask you boss to send someone with at least room temperature IQ here, you are a complete idiot.
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 4:24PM
CJ - it doesn't, that's the point. You righties always want the government to interfere with everyone's rights that you don't like. Don't touch your rights, but it's okay to squash everyone else's. Sorry DA it doesn't work that way. Nice name calling - out of ammunition are ya?
CJW| 6.26.12 @ 6:01PM
Obamaboy
The poll taxes were imposed by the Democrats after the Civil War.
Most people have a driver's license with a photo. Those without a driver's license get a state ID for five or ten dollars which they need for check cashing and other reasons. How many voters do not have photo ID?
One of Obma's vacations would pay for photo IDs for everyone.
Never out of ammo with your comments, and it is not name calling, but description of your comments, not personal.
You seem to be desperate. You do know O will lose by a landslide.
JmsA| 6.26.12 @ 1:46PM
I hear one cannot vote in Mexico without an ID. Are the Mexicans trying to suppress the vote? If so, whose vote are they trying to suppress, the central americans' passing through on the way north to the U.S.?
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 4:25PM
Oh, JMS - so now you want to emulate Mexico? Seriously?
Actually, you're right - they have a southern border problem too. But you don't care about that do you?
Oldefarte| 6.27.12 @ 1:41PM
Yeah, their southern border is that which Muslim terrorists pass through into Mexico and thereafter on through to this country. The result is the numerous SLEEPER CELLS that exist here awaiting their orders to deploy. That's why we need open borders, right?????
Oldefarte| 6.27.12 @ 1:50PM
Then the state/federal legal authorities that are enforcing laws by requiring photo proof of ID are in violation of the law and all the cops, judges etc that require same and adjudicate legal cases based upon such should be placed in jails accordingly, right????????
C. Vernon Crisler | 6.26.12 @ 10:23AM
So Purp, maybe you can answer a question I asked my American Indian friend who also opposed the law. Can white guys go on to Indian reservations and set up shop without permission from the tribes? What if an Indian agent asks the white guy for his papers (tribal ID)? Is it racist for tribal authorities to be concerned who crosses the borders of their reservations? Why or why not?
Riff Raff| 6.26.12 @ 11:11AM
It is a waste of time to "debate" with purp. He is a seminar poster. He gets talking points from others, but is otherwise incapable of debate or logic and displays absolutely no independent thinking whatsoever. He uses the most obvious logical fallacies and make the most outrageous accusations, particularly over his claims of "racism." Clearly purp is racist himself and posts here partly to remind uppity Blacks who they should be grateful to. purp doesn't debate, he attacks. He doesn't discuss issues, he bombasts with phoney claims and bad logic. purp is not worth a response.
Von Mises Jr| 6.26.12 @ 11:34AM
So true, Riff Raff. In fact, arguing with this worthless troll gets him paid Soros dollars.
He often posts double digit percentages of the comments on articles that prove he is either a troll or a sick and lonely SOB.
He is what is wrong with America. He spews communist propaganda for a treat. I wouldn't give the mongrel a dog biscuit.
CJW| 6.26.12 @ 1:34PM
Von
I know a few who worked for "Working America" to "canvass" in inner city neighborhoods. The purpose was to hand out documents, and for voter registration for Obama. These persons had a decent personality and people skills.
Purpie probably works for the same or similar group, but with his limited intelligence and personality he is assigned to troll conservative websites to say the stupid things he says. It is not a debate with him, it is just continually pointing out the idiocy of his comments.
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 11:49AM
OMG how dumb. Indian agents are US Federal agents, so what have they to do with it?
Since an American Indian Tribe is a Nation, equal and sovereign, it is a false comparison to a State. Just like the Vatican is considered a separate Nation unto itself inside Italy - Indian Nations have their own Federal laws. Arizona does not, and is subjugated to Federal Law, binding on them and every other state, that's why we are called the United States of America - Not the "United States of America with exceptions when we feel like it."
Racist is when you "spot" someone by their color, speech or dress and presume they are illegal. Are you people really that stupid? You simply cannot reverse the situation in your mind and imagine if white, blue eyes meant you could be a "terrorist", and all white/blue eyes were pulled over to examine their papers? THAT would be racist. Racial profiling. Get it? DA?
In your setup - If a white man was killing American Indian children within Sioux Nation borders and then all white men were "profiled" that crossed the border for "special handling" by the Indian authorities - THAT would be racist, racial profiling - just for what you look like.
Are you still dense and don't get it?
Riff Raff| 6.26.12 @ 12:43PM
None of this is true. You do not know what you are talking about. I suggest you educate yourself before you again embarrass yourself.
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 4:25PM
Prove it. What's not true, smart ass?
Oldefarte| 6.26.12 @ 1:13PM
"Racist is when you "spot" someone by their color, speech or dress and presume they are illegal" ? Okay, lets stop having states issue drivers licenses to all minorities and then that'll solve your problem, right? Or maybe we should stop any requirement of demanding drivers licenses or voter registration of anyone and then let citizens of Mexico, Canada, France, Italy, Litawania etc vote in our US elections, huh? Let have a complete BANANA REPUBLIC and say to hades with the supposed rights of citizenship, huh? Lets do away with laws against murder, rape, molestation, theft, etc and revert to southern Africa etc, huh???????
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 4:26PM
Fart, fart, fart - do you want government out of your hair or not? Chuck it all - why not?
C. Vernon Crisler | 6.26.12 @ 2:37PM
In the Arizona law, police cannot just "spot" someone who looks Hispanic and ask for his papers. They have to be stopped for some other reason before there can be an immigration check. (This is why I regard the law as too weak.)
Purp, you obviously didn't get the analogy with the Indian reservation. The tribes have the right to protect their tribal sovereignty. And if you have the intelligence to follow an analogy, so also the U.S. and the States have the right to protect their sovereignties. It doesn't have anything to do with racism. Get it now?
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 4:30PM
CV - NOW, yes. But not before the Supreme Court gutted the law. Now they have to have probable cause of some law broken before they can ask for papers.
The States don't have sovereignty and that's where you go wrong. The whole point of the Southern States Secession was fought over their Sovereignty to do so - they couldn't, the States can't. They are part of the United States, subject to the Federal, period. The Supreme Court is right - the US has the exclusive right to border law and immigration - not the States. OMG, are you dense.
C. Vernon Crisler | 6.26.12 @ 4:43PM
Purp, the Supreme Court upheld the law. The Arizona law itself required that immigration check could only occur AFTER the suspect was stopped on some other grounds.
The States certainly do have sovereignty. Madison pointed out that the framers of the Constitution agreed to a MIXED sovereignty -- the federal government sovereign on national matters; the States sovereign on domestic matters.
Whether or not the Supreme Court is right in its decision -- Dred Scott was a ridiculous decision even though decided by the Surpeme Court -- the primary locus of enforcement for immigration violations rests with the Feds. However, they are not doing their job, so hopefully, these clowns will be thrown out of office in a few months.
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 6:10PM
The Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution puts the Federal Government over the States and Federal law takes precedence. However, the right of the State to be sovereign and to secede was squashed by the Civil War. They cannot create their own treaties, currency, have their own armies, etc. All of that is relinquished to the Central Committee of the Politburo - I mean the Congress.
C. Vernon Crisler | 6.27.12 @ 2:36AM
The States did not relinquish their Constitutional prescribed sovereignty during or after the Civil War. The States under the Constitution could NEVER create their own treaties, etc., and that goes back to the original Constitution, not something that happened during the Civil War.
The Supremacy Clause only means that on national matters the States must follow the federal goverment. They cannot pick and chose which federal laws to follow.
BTW, the States never had a right to secede. The Union was perpetual.
Oldefarte| 6.27.12 @ 1:38PM
"Central Committee"? Do you perhaps mean the US Justice Dept????
TLP| 6.26.12 @ 4:16PM
I can't believe it.
You actually got one right.
Doctor Right| 6.26.12 @ 1:44PM
So if a black man robs you...
...and you talk to the police, and tell them a black man robbed you...
...and if they put out an APB for a black man...
...that's racist???
Sorry, but if you're "Hispanic," and et pulled over in Arizona, and don't have a driver's license, and can't speak English, chances are...YOU'RE ILLEGAL.
And if you're ILLEGAL, you need to be deported.
Any other laws we shouldn't enforce, "Purp"??
I know!! How about anti-discrimination laws? Specifically, the ones that protect gays from discrimination???
You really are a fool, Purp.
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 6:12PM
There's no arguing with an idiot that can't form a lucid, cogent, logical argument - it's around and around in circles while you deny you are a racist pig. I no longer feel the need to educate you. You are a hopeless cause - the right can have you.
Doctor Right| 6.26.12 @ 7:18PM
Your surrender is duly noted...
Oldefarte| 6.27.12 @ 1:55PM
"it is racist"? You forgot discriminatory, gentrification, disenfranchisement, possibly sexist and downright EXCREMENTTY also!!!!!
Oldefarte| 6.27.12 @ 2:01PM
"police state"? We now have a POLICE COUNTRY, and the top cops operate out of the USJD and the WH!!!!!!!!
irish19| 6.26.12 @ 11:36AM
I learned way back when in an Intro to Poli Sci class that the primary purpose of any government is to provide for secure borders. That is Job One. EVERYTHING else is extra. This government is not doing that, and is in fact attempting to open the borders. The Arizona law was a mirror image of federal law regarding ILLEGAL immigrants. It was hardly racist or un-American.
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 11:51AM
Germany couldn't do it, Iraq couldn't do it, Russia couldn't even do it. I suspect China can't either. What would you have us be? The KGB, Gestapo and the Berlin Wall all rolled together? It didn't work for the Berlin Wall, how can you be that stupid?
Albert Constantine Jr.| 6.26.12 @ 12:31PM
"It didn't work for the Berlin Wall, how can you be that stupid?"
The Berlin Wall was to keep people in, not keep them out. Thank you for showing us with each post how stupid you can be, so we don't have to ask the question.
CJW| 6.26.12 @ 2:44PM
Albert
Maybe Purpie and his friends were trying to get into East Germany, they saw the wall, and thought it was to keep people from entering the workers' paradise.
Incidentally the Berlin Wall was built in 1961 to test JFK's resolve, and he did nothing. The Russkies never tried that with Ike.
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 4:33PM
OMG you people are so stupid - how did spies get into East Germany/East Berlin? By transporting in? DA.
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 4:32PM
So you see a difference? You think motivation is less? God you're stupid. You prefer to live in a police state? That didn't work either, brainiac... OMG. DA.
Oldefarte| 6.26.12 @ 1:16PM
Maybe that's exactly what we do need here.....if someone falsely attempts to vote in an election, have the authorities demand a photo ID and when same cannot be produced, they disappear to Siberia for a lifetime of hard labor within the frozen tundra!!!!!!
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 4:33PM
NO - let's just shoot them. That will suppress the vote.
Doctor Right| 6.26.12 @ 7:25PM
Can we do that??
Oldefarte| 6.27.12 @ 1:34PM
Works for me!!!!!!
Oldefarte| 6.26.12 @ 12:57PM
"She's as clueless as a shriveled up old actress without makeup - oh, that's her real description" You're sadly confused as no doubt you're instead referring to ya boy's street HOS Nancy P, Jane F, Janet N, Maxine W or maybe even Barney F! I will allow you the semi-victory that you imply, as the COMMUNITY ORGANIZING DOMESTIC TERRORIST is still at large and operating or dictating full tilt, but his political days are coming to a distinct end on 11/6/12. It will then be GAME, SET AND MATCH or if you prefer CHECK MATE regarding immigration, F&F'ing guns to Muslim terrorists in the middle east, non-issuance of oil drilling permits coal mining permits by Interior, lawsuits and political harassments by Justice and TSA, taxpayer funding of Acorn, legislating of governmental welfare health insurance schemes by fiat, etc. It all ends appropriately 11/6/12, so BEND OVER, GRAB YOUR SOCKS AND KISS YOUR ARS GOODBYE!!!!!
Oldefarte| 6.27.12 @ 2:04PM
" She's as clueless as a shriveled up old actress without makeup - oh, that's her real description"....now stop talking about former Speaker Nancy the Hypocritical Old Witch like that!!!!!!!!!!
Hardcard| 6.26.12 @ 7:46AM
Close and secure our borders now. Bring our troops home and police the borders with our Brave Military, then discuss the future of illegals in our country.
Pecos Pete| 6.26.12 @ 8:04AM
Hardcard: Amen!
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 9:02AM
They can't - Posse Comitatus laws prevent that.
Stkman| 6.26.12 @ 10:17AM
Actually they can and are required to if given the order. You see Twerp, posse comitatus only applies when the armed forces are trying to use force against citizens. Those we speak of are not citizens. Secondly, we use the national guard all the time to stop marches and riots, a precedent has been set by this use, so we can use the national guard today if the political will were there.
Just why do you not want borders or the control of them? What's your agenda Twerp? Also, if a terrorist came through the southern border and killed your mom, sister, or daughter, wouldn't you then scream the loudest for more security at the border? The first duty of the government is to protect the borders from invasion. Maybe you need to come down and visit Texas or Califironia and just see what the hell is going on.
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 12:01PM
It has nothing to do with citizens perse. The law covers the Army and the Air Force within US Borders.
The National Guard is exempt from that law-you do know where the National Guard comes from, don't you. It is not part of our Standing Army, DA. And President Obama has doubled the border control agents and the National Guard along the border, and deported more illegals in 4 years than Bush did in 8. There is ZERO illegal immigration across the border and still you are complaining. Why?
If Congress passes a law to override the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, well, then it could be done.
Why, a terrorist could even more easily come across the Canadian border or into Florida. Drug smuggling occurs all the time. Why you focused only on the "Southern Border", hmmmm?
Where were you during the Bush's 8 years? Not a peep.
Stkman| 6.26.12 @ 12:26PM
Obama is only deporting those with "known" felonies. That still leaves millions. And yes, I bitched about it during both Bushes, Reagan, Clinton, Obama and I'll bitch about it during Romney's term as well.
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 12:58PM
Well, as Einstein said "continuing to do the same thing and expecting a different outcome" is the definition of insanity. Welcome to your asylum I guess.
Doctor Right| 6.26.12 @ 1:45PM
So what's the excuse for leftist ideologues???
Drunken Sailor| 6.26.12 @ 1:40PM
"There is ZERO illegal immigration"
Really? Any stats/links to back that up? Or are you once again pulling rabbits out of your ass?
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 4:36PM
EXCUSE ME - Zero Net Illegal Immigration. Take a look at your own rags:
http://online.wsj.com/article/.....49464.html
or
http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/1224486
Look it up Chuckles - once again you're talking out of your ass.
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 6:13PM
Guess you can't answer after you read it in black and white on WSJ and the Examiner, huh, Sunshine?
Drunken Sailor| 6.27.12 @ 12:37PM
Actually I was reading back to where your link got their info. Interesting to note this little tidbit from the PEW Hispanic Research Center.
The standstill appears to be the result of many factors, including the weakened U.S. job and housing construction markets, heightened border enforcement, a rise in deportations, the growing dangers associated with illegal border crossings, the long-term decline in Mexico’s birth rates and broader economic conditions in Mexico.
It is possible that the Mexican immigration wave will resume as the U.S. economy recovers. Even if it doesn’t, it has already secured a place in the record books. The U.S. today has more immigrants from Mexico alone—12.0 million—than any other country in the world has from all countries of the world.1
Read those last numbers closely chuckles.
And I noticed they left out this little tidbit.
Beyond its size, the most distinctive feature of the modern Mexican wave has been the unprecedented share of immigrants who have come to the U.S. illegally. Just over half (51%) of all current Mexican immigrants are unauthorized, and some 58% of the estimated 11.2 million unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. are Mexican (Passel and Cohn, 2011).
http://www.pewhispanic.org/201.....haps-less/
Oldefarte| 6.26.12 @ 1:20PM
"They can't - Posse Comitatus laws prevent that" Not if ya boy is still POTUS and his sheriff heads up the Justice Dept, then all laws and legal ways of doing things are worthless as they are now. It's a continuation of BARRY'S LAW 101!!!!!!!
TLP| 6.26.12 @ 4:19PM
You couldn't have said it any better.
Nobody could've.
Doctor Right| 6.26.12 @ 7:20PM
Not even you, Timmy???
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 4:37PM
Well, then it's okay.
Oldefarte| 6.27.12 @ 1:33PM
No it ain't "okay" but instead it's CORRUPTION!!!!!!!!
CMF| 6.26.12 @ 12:45PM
Excellent idea...but our troops should also have the authority to fire....it would be just days before people stopped trying to enter or be shot.
Kwan| 6.26.12 @ 9:03AM
How is it that da Community Organizer can choose to not enforce this law or that law and Articles of Impeachment are not currently being drawn up by the House of Representatives? We either have a nation ruled by the law or we have Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe.
vtwin| 6.26.12 @ 9:38AM
Prosecutorial discretion, practiced by public servants everyday in every jurisdiction in the country.
Anthony| 6.26.12 @ 11:08AM
vtwin, just wait when they migrate in even larger numbers into California. Stockton won't be the only Calf.city to scream No Mas!!! No Dinero!!!!
Then San Fran will be overun by the Oakland gangbangers and those seeking to take vtwin's minimum wage job. Adios vtwin y California.
"Flores, flores por los muertos".
Riff Raff| 6.26.12 @ 11:14AM
Whatever happened to equal protection of the law? Prosecutorial discretion when used politically, as Bozo the Clown President admits he is doing, denies equal protection of the law. Indeed, this is the definition of denial of equal protection.
irish19| 6.26.12 @ 11:44AM
That's Obozo the Clown.
Oldefarte| 6.26.12 @ 1:23PM
"Prosecutorial discretion" aka BARRY'S LAWS OF BLINDEYES TO JUSTICE, LAWSUITS TO PROTECT MINORITIES ONLY AND CORRUPTION 101 WHILE USING SOCIATAL FEAR OF RACISM CHARGES TO PREVENT IMPEACHMENT PROCEDURES !!!!!!!!
Derek Leaberry| 6.26.12 @ 9:21AM
If Governor Brewer had any guts, she would draw a line in the sand. She should declare that the whole Arizona immigration law will be enforced by the Arizona police authorities. If the Supreme Court objects, let Justice Roberts send his police force or federal marshals to Arizona. If the Court sends marshals, have the state troopers arrest them as soon as they arrive.
vtwin| 6.26.12 @ 9:32AM
Yes, worked well for Governor Wallace.
Stkman| 6.26.12 @ 10:24AM
Govenor Wallace wa sdenying rights to citizens who happened to be Negroes. Govenor Brewer is trying to protect her state from an invasion. She would also have the backing of Texas, Loisisana and Oklahoma and possibly New Mexico and surely a few other states. Under the current circumstances the Southwestern states would be better off secceding so they could deal with Mexico on their own terms. The term the United States are offering are no terms at all and are bankrupting the Southwestern states. If Texas, Oklahoma and Louisiana were to leave the U.S. economy would be toast.
Oldefarte| 6.26.12 @ 1:28PM
No AH, it was the Kennedys instead that it "worked well for" instead, as Wallace was removed by their legal usurpsion of law concerning what should have been a states rights issue. The Kennedys controlled the Army, Federal Marshalls, Navy, Marines, Air Force etc., not Wallace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
vtwin| 6.26.12 @ 9:28AM
A disaster for Republican politicians; 45 Republicans in the U.S. Senate in a desperate attempt to deny Obama a second term as President by denying the President any legislative victories, in this case immigration reform, has instead made Obama and the Democrats the champions of Hispanic equality, Hispanic the fastest growing voting demographic in the country. Obama, hand well played.
Riff Raff| 6.26.12 @ 11:16AM
This is a stupid comment. President Bozo does not want immigration "reform," he wants to bring in as many foreign nationals as possible so they can vote Democrat. My goodness, you an idiot.
Oldefarte| 6.26.12 @ 1:31PM
Well why then did ya boy pull his political stunt now? When he and Democrats controlled the Presidency, the Senate and the House with Ho Ho Nancy in charge, why didn't he do it or something larger at that time? Why? Simple, because hes does not give an excrement about Hispanics and is only using their stupidity now for political purposes only, that's why!!!!!!!
JP| 6.26.12 @ 3:00PM
No, the President is doing a fine job of limiting himself to 2 terms all by himself.
Stkman| 6.26.12 @ 10:10AM
"As if to rub salt in Arizona's wound, later on Monday the Obama administration ended what are known as "287 agreements" with Arizona which had effectively deputized local law enforcement officials to help implement federal immigration law. One can just hear Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano cackling, "How does that 'victory' feel now, Jan?"
The above is nothing more than a declaration of war against one of the fifty states. The other 49 states should wake up to this and come to the defense of Arizona now! For those of you in the northern states, you should understand that in the last 25 yrs Texas, California, Arizona and New Mexico have been drug into third world status. Our once growing cities have become growing ghettos. Our social services are overburdened and our taxes are going throuhg the roof to pay for it all. All of need to ask ourselves do we want to be a sovereign nation or not? If the answer is yes then it is time for us to march on Washington as they continue to ignore our pleas to secure the borders and doprt those that are in this country illegally. Remember and know this, allowing the illegals to stay in this country (by the two political parties in power) has nothing to do with humanity and everything to do with votes, power and money all in exchange for your legal rights and security. Just who the hell do these two political parties think they are? Now, answer that question for yourself and lets get to planning when we march.
Fast and Curious| 6.26.12 @ 10:30AM
It makes no difference if papers are requested or not. If proof of legal residence is not produced, there is nothing the law enforcement officers can do about it (unless they are dealing with a wanted felon).
Maybe this ruling will make a difference some day, but without federal enforcement the states' hands appear tied.
Anthony| 6.26.12 @ 10:48AM
Agreed, this was no great victory. The Court upheld federal preemption despite Obozo's deliberate refusal to enforce federal laws.
Our Orwellian culture has come full circle, with a Supreme Court that could not recognize that failure to enforce laws was an abdication of the feds constitutional priority.
So what we are left with is a bi-polar society, where our elected leaders can pick and choose which laws to enforce, or not, yet we rubes are not granted the same privilege.
Obozo wins. Lawlessness by non enforcement on the border continues, and Arizona can do nothing to prevent the economic and criminal sunami its citizens are facing.
I suppose the response to this is that the a remedy exists under the Constitution for impeachment, as well as the November election.
Impeachment is a non starter. We need a sunami in November, the likes America has never seen. We need a wave so large as to sweep the the D party out to sea once and for all.
Albertus Magnus| 6.26.12 @ 11:20AM
Since the US Government is denying protection from foreign invasion to Arizona, and thus violating the conditions of Statehood in the Union, Arizona must reexamine its status as a State. Perhaps Arizona should expel all Treasury employees and stop sending federal tax collections to Washington. Since Washington refuses to defend Arizona terrirory and Arizona citizens, Arizona is under no obligation to support Washington and should consider defending itself independently from Washington. It is not Arizona that is acting unconstitutionally, it is the US Government under our Clown President.
RCV| 6.26.12 @ 11:44AM
It's a good thing you nuts aren't in charge of anything.
Albertus Magnus| 6.26.12 @ 12:17PM
I'm sure that's very special. Have a nice day!
Riff Raff| 6.26.12 @ 12:39PM
From Scalia's dissent:
"Today’s opinion, approving virtually all of the Ninth Circuit’s injunction against enforcement of the four challenged provisions of Arizona’s law, deprives States of what most would consider the defining characteristic of sovereignty: the power to exclude from the sovereign’s territory people who have no right to be there."
Riff Raff| 6.26.12 @ 12:41PM
Scalia's dissent continued:
"Arizona bears the brunt of the country’s illegal immigration problem. Its citizens feel themselves under siege by large numbers of illegal immigrants who invade their property, strain their social services, and even place their lives in jeopardy. Federal officials have been unable to remedy the problem, and indeed have recently shown that they are unwilling to do so. Thousands of Arizona’s estimated 400,000 illegal immigrants — including not just children but men and women under 30 — are now assured immunity from enforcement, and will be able to compete openly with Arizona citizens for employment.
Arizona has moved to protect its sovereignty — not in contradiction of federal law, but in complete compliance with it. The laws under challenge here do not extend or revise federal immigration restrictions, but merely enforce those restrictions more effectively. If securing its territory in this fashion is not within the power of Arizona, we should cease referring to it as a sovereign State. I dissent."
What is unfortunate Mr. RCV is that nuts like you ARE in charge and destroying everything in site: prosperity, security, safety, freedom.
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 12:50PM
The Supreme Court is decidedly Conservative leaning, so how do you explain that you are calling your own "Nuts" , Riffy Raffy, pull my Taffy, hmmmm?
Oldefarte| 6.27.12 @ 1:32PM
"Conservative leaning"? Is that what you liberal pukes call 4 conservatives, 4 liberals and 1 moderate? No, it ain't EARL WARREN & CO, that's for sure!!!!!!
RCV| 6.26.12 @ 1:06PM
What's fortunate is that Justice Scalia was in the minority of three on this issue. Arizona, like all of the now-United States, is an entity of limited sovereignty. And one of those limits is that in our Constitution, the purview of immigration and naturalization is left to the central government so that we may, as the Constitution explicitly says, have "uniform" national rules on the subject.
Riff Raff| 6.26.12 @ 1:13PM
Yes, uniform national rules which the government is refusing to enforce. That make it all better.
RCV| 6.26.12 @ 2:21PM
The Obama administration has deported more illegal aliens every year than any previous administration. That's a fact.
They're just not enforcing national rules in a way YOU like. But then, nobody elected YOU President.
JP| 6.26.12 @ 2:58PM
Yes, and I suppose you also believe the President when he boasts that the federal government under him is smaller than under Bush.
Oldefarte| 6.27.12 @ 1:18PM
No dummie, they deport illegal criminals, not aliens. Ya boy just announced the government would stop deporting young aliens [unless of course they're criminals]. It's a good thing that they don't deport all criminals, since there would be no one left within the WH!!!!!!!
darcy| 6.26.12 @ 5:05PM
What's uniform, RCV, about sanctuary cities? which by their very existence violate immigration law? Enlighten us.
RCV| 6.26.12 @ 11:20PM
Don't support them myself, Darcy.
Oldefarte| 6.27.12 @ 1:28PM
"Don't support them myself"? Then you are possibly supporting illegality [which is what sanctuary cities are, since they also are refusing to enforce enacted laws and are harboring fugitives from justice], since by implication you're turning a blind eye to such enforcement as is ya boy!!!!!!!!
Oldefarte| 6.27.12 @ 1:23PM
True. but your asinine reasoning ignores the fact that IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REFUSES TO ENFORCE THE LEGISLATIVELY ENACTED LAWS OF WHICH IT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR, then the citizens are f*&ked; [since state authorities can arrest all the illegals they care to, turn same over to the feds/ICE and watch thereafter as Holder & Co thievingly turn them loose and set them free ALL FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES [once again F*&KING; THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY WHO WILL POSSIBLY BE MURDERED, RAPED, ASSAULTED ETC IN THE FUTURE DUE TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NOT DOING ITS JOB]!!!!!!!!
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 12:48PM
Sovereign State? That was decided by the Civil War long ago, when the Southern States tried to exercise their sovereignty. The States are not sovereign, they are subject to the Federal, pure and simple.
Scalia is an ideologue who's time has come to retire. He is so rabidly partisan he can't hide it anymore. At least Clarence Thomas has the brains to keep his mouth shut.
Riff Raff| 6.26.12 @ 1:19PM
I am continually shocked at just how ill-informed and brazenly stupid people like you can be. The civil war decided no such thing. The civil war did not invalidate the Constitution, as you clearly believe it did. You believe in the exercise of raw political power by strong-man politicians. I believe in the rule of law and the freedom of individuals.
And for you to challenge the intelligence of any other person on earth is the pinnacle of chutzpah.
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 4:39PM
You don't know anything about the Civil War, do you?
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 6:19PM
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/miller1.html
http://www.charlestoncitypaper.....id=1144462
You're not very well informed, are ya?
Oldefarte| 6.27.12 @ 1:13PM
No AH, the Constitution details/enumerates political powers granted to the federal government, and the residual/remaining political powers belong to the states. G-d you're a DA! The Civil War [or any war] does NOT decide legal issues, and as such is simply a skirmish between two parties. According to your asinine reasoning, the Six Day War in the middle east decided the Israel-Palestinian issues, rught [so why are they now still debating same today]???? What a DA!!!!!
Oldefarte| 6.26.12 @ 1:33PM
We 'nuts' WILL BE IN CHARGE OF EVERYTHING COME JANUARY, and you can make book on that AH!!!!!!!!!!
Doctor Right| 6.26.12 @ 1:47PM
We nuts will be in charge very soon.
And if Obama does manage to get re-elected, you liberals may see the formation of an entire new Political Party...one that will make you LONG for the pleasant, ole' days of Ronald Reagan.
Either way, in the end...you lose.
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 4:41PM
Either way, when all elections are purchased, you won't be happy then. You're incomes are dropping, your benefits are being taken away, your rights are being abused and one day, when it's too late you'll wake up like the Germans did - "What happened?" Enjoy the ride. You deserve it.
Doctor Right| 6.26.12 @ 7:22PM
The things you describe, idiot-boy, are already happening, thanks to Obama.
You're just too dumb to notice.
That's because the sum total of your political convictions are completely immersed in your love of Barbra Streisand and window treatments.
Oldefarte| 6.27.12 @ 1:07PM
What you describe is already happening. No jobs, excessive government regulations, housing industry in the toilet, overpriced energy-gasoline, government oppression of private industry, wealthy moving to foreign country to protect their incomes from being stolen by government, MSM propaganda/brainwashing of citizens, etc.....AND IT ALL EXPLODED INTO ACTION ON 11/4/08!!!!!!!!!!
Who Knows?| 6.26.12 @ 11:51AM
Obama---the outlaw president.
Slacker| 6.26.12 @ 12:23PM
Immigration is a political football? It must feel like that to an opinion writer. Say the wrong thing and you get banished to the land of Taki Mag.
The Libs are hoping that Hispanics are too stupid to see how they're being played. Republicans do the exact same thing; act in bad faith and hope working class whites are too stupid to see how they’re being played. I wish I could put money on stupid.
I’m not working class so I guess I don’t care either way.
Who Knows?| 6.26.12 @ 1:54PM
Obama deserves four more years, and America is just the country to give it to him.
It’s obvious that the “battered wife”-like citizens of this fat and materialistic “happy” land haven’t been beaten up enough---more, more, more!
What is a sadist? Someone who is kind to a masochist.
So, come on, fellow drugged out clingers and overeaters, get off your big butts and vote for The One!
He has to earn his future nickname, Outlaw Obama.
After almost a full term of blatant lawlessness, as the El Supremo head of the gangster government in D.C., Intrade still currently has him as the odds on favorite, at 53%, to win. And, why not?
He hasn’t begun to fight---for you!
There are way too many laws he hasn’t had a chance to break. He’ll have way more flexibility if you just let him be true to himself.
Who do you think you are, all you naysayers, standing in his way? Don’t you know you are vastly outnumbered, and your days are---numbered?
Resistance is futile.
Accept your fate, fatsos!
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 4:45PM
You stopped liking the "Magic Negro" ? too much magic for ya?
Doctor Right| 6.26.12 @ 7:23PM
Left wing stupidity is far from "magic."
Oldefarte| 6.27.12 @ 1:01PM
Nah.....TOO MUCH BULLEXCREMENT !!!!!!!
wolf| 6.26.12 @ 2:24PM
ohh.. we still love slavery .. though now we are more civil about it..
rules, laws..constitution..identification..not needed in this brave new world..we are all world citizens..and can move to any country we want if it provides the basics..if not .. it will be deemed racist, sexist..and charged with crimes against humanity..and will soon see the error of its ways..if any country cannot support or care for its own population..a more wealthy country MUST take care of them..and if that country drains it wealth doing this..it will be considered criminal for not taxing more of its populace to care for the general population..any splinter groups that protest in any form will be suppressed at once..by verbal command of an appointed ruler..as the process of governmenst have been suspended..and the public will be informed of such actions by approved media outlets..
brave new world... indeed !!
JP| 6.26.12 @ 2:56PM
From a purely electoral votes point of view, the President's actions vis-a-vis immigration have reached a point of diminishing returns. Obama already has California, New Jersey, Illinois, and California in the bag. So he might increase his lead in those states around the edges? Hispanic turn-out really doesn't mean anything if he continues to bleed white voters in Virginia, Florida, Ohio, and perhaps Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.
And his decision to stop any kind of partnership between federal authorities and Arizona law enforecment officers may come back to bite him. Essientially, Arizona is now defenceless. Why to go, President. Hope no one from Hamas, Hezobolah, or Al Qaida cross over the borders anytime soon.
The President is desperate. And he will take us down with him. Too bad the GOP is enabling him.
Purp| 6.26.12 @ 4:44PM
If they don't look Hispanic, they wouldn't stop any of them anyway. So what was the point? What's your point?
Doctor Right| 6.26.12 @ 7:24PM
White people look white.
Black people look black.
Hispanics look like Hispanics.
Gays look like Barry Manilow.
Oldefarte| 6.27.12 @ 1:00PM
Oh sure, no caucausian EVER commits crimes of murder, rape, theft, DUI etc right? You lunatic liberals live in your outer-space world of make believe with a constant desire to provide governmental benefits to indigents in return for their votes enabling Democrat Party political power. What a perpetual croc!!!!!!