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Special Report
A Religious Fire Bell in the Night
Religious intolerance is on the rise even in Kuwait, America’s best friend in the Arab world.
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It’s not the same as an Islamist takeover in, say, Pakistan, or even what might happen in Egypt. Kuwait is a small society in which most everyone seems to know or is otherwise connected with everyone. Many Islamists, including some who I met, were seen more as moderate government critics than intolerant crusaders.
Yet it didn’t take long for the new majority to press for policies contrary to Kuwait’s record of openness. The Islamist group — formal parties do not exist — proposed amending the constitution to make Sharia the source of law. The Emir said no, but he did accept legislation to impose the death penalty on Muslims for blasphemy (non-Muslims remained subject to a fine and imprisonment).
Worse, just a couple weeks after the election MP Osama Al-Monawer proposed drafting a law to turn Al-Asheikh’s pronouncement into law. Explained Al-Monawer: “Kuwait is an Islamic country where churches are not permitted to be built.” An Islamist cleric in Kuwait, Sheikh Saleh Al-Ghanem, backed the parliamentarian, arguing that according to Mohammed no non-Islamic “religion may be practiced in the Arabian Peninsula.” And Al-Asheikh endorsed the proposal, explaining that “Kuwait is part of the Arabian Peninsula, and [countries in] the Arabian Peninsula must demolish any churches” because “the Prophet instructed us that there is no place for two religions” in the Peninsula. If such a measure was enacted, Kuwait would suddenly look a lot like Saudi Arabia.
Al-Monawer’s threat may have been triggered by the issuance of the construction permit to the Catholic Church. Rumors also circulated — though they are impossible to confirm — that a member of the ruling family had converted to Christianity. In any case, Al-Monawer’s initiative was greeted with substantial criticism. Kuwaiti religion minister Al-Shabab explained that “the constitution of Kuwait guarantees its citizens [freedom of] religion and worship, and Islam is well known as a tolerant religion. Demolishing churches and forbidding the members of the Christian community from worshipping contravenes the state laws and regulation.”
Commentators ranging from political to academic to journalistic criticized the proposal on theological and legal grounds. Some also made the obvious point that Kuwait and other Islamic nations could hardly complain about Western strictures against Islam if Muslim nations were destroying Christian churches.
Under pressure Al-Monawer backed down slightly, limiting his proposal, advanced by the new Al-Adala or “Justice” Bloc in parliament, to a ban on the construction of any new facilities. A fellow MP explained that “Kuwait already has an excessive number of churches compared to the country’s Christian minority.” Kuwait would avoid the PR disaster of demolishing churches while sharply constricting the Christian community and rolling up the welcome mat for believers, who form an important part of the large foreign work community.
However, without government approval the measure was doomed. In March Al-Adala tabled the proposal, though Al-Monawer indicated that he wanted to question the religion minister over the new church permit. Another Bloc member, Mohammad Hayef, said the approval was “a mistake” which “will not go unnoticed.”
Although Kuwaiti Christians reacted with relief to the legislation’s apparent demise, they remained cautious. Bishop Ballin refused to be interviewed out of fear of speaking to the press. Bishop Paul Hinder, who heads the Apostolic Vicariate of Southern Arabia, explained that the situation in Kuwait has “become critical.” He added that Bishop Ballin was “in a particularly delicate situation. People should remember we are living here and have to proceed very carefully.”
For now, at least, the threat of actual religious persecution in Kuwait has passed. The government deserves credit: the ruling family remains committed to a forward-looking and open country. Long noted for its generally free press and fair elections, Kuwait remains a tolerant society as well.
Nevertheless, unsettling popular currents are running strongly through a population that remains very friendly to America. The fact that the most powerful parliamentary faction contemplated passing legislation to shut every Christian church — and had the votes to do so — offers a warning if Kuwait eventually becomes a full parliamentary democracy, as some Kuwaitis desire. If final political decisions in Kuwait were made by an elective prime minister rather than a hereditary emir, every Christian church in the country might have been demolished by now.
Kuwait remains Washington’s best friend in the Persian Gulf. However, shared interests do not guarantee shared values. And a lack of shared values could end up threatening shared interests. As with Saudi Arabia.
The latest parliamentary election results should serve as Thomas Jefferson’s famed “fire bell in the night.” The Islamist tide in Kuwait is likely to recede, as it has done before. If not, however, Kuwait could turn into Saudi Arabia-lite. Americans can ill afford another nominal ally that promotes the forces of violent intolerance worldwide.
About the Author
Doug Bandow is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute. A former Special Assistant to President Ronald Reagan, he is the author and editor of several books, including The Politics of Plunder: Misgovernment in Washington (Transaction).
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Appleby| 5.31.12 @ 6:47AM
Perhaps this explains King Zero's war on Catholicism in the USA -- a bellwether for the feast to come, if by some error he is returned to office in the fall.
It will be interesting indeed to see who stands up to be counted among the Catholics when Obama and his henchfiends come for us. It might be time to start thinking about what you'll do.
Or you can pretend, like the European Jews, that everything is fine and it will all blow over. And try to forget how that worked out for them.
Von Mises Jr| 5.31.12 @ 8:34AM
My thoughts exactly, Appleby. In addition to the Obama regime assault on the Catholic Church with contraception and abortion, we are already hearing the clarion bell of diminishing "Freedom of Religion" to freedom to worship.
But we see that just as the moderate Muslim countries currently allow one to quietly practice their faith if they don't offend the totalitarians, it may only be temporary.
Brooksifier | 5.31.12 @ 6:00PM
Still, I think madrassahs are better than our skools.; so it is not quite accurate to say we are the greatest country in the world.
Jack in Wi| 5.31.12 @ 6:42PM
Hi brooksie! Hows it going? They can't keep a good man down. Shalom.
Brooksifier | 5.31.12 @ 10:13PM
You were right about these headstrong AS people, they have a counterproductive America Uber Alles attitude.
One Mediator 1 Tim. 2:5. | 5.31.12 @ 11:18AM
So, have you changed your mind then and are going to vote for Romney, since you cleary see what is in store for your Religious brothers and sisters, Appleby?
Von Mises Jr| 5.31.12 @ 11:48AM
Hi Margie.
One Mediator 1 Tim. 2:5. | 5.31.12 @ 12:31PM
Indeed it is me, as I was posting as Only One Mediator openly before registration.
And I would not greet such a fool and liar as you who in the other thread referred to me as "Brooksie/vtwin/etc."
Your true character is known by the Mediator between God and man, Christ Jesus.
Lotsa luck, fool.
Boar Hunter| 5.31.12 @ 1:31PM
But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.
I have read many posts by Von Mises Jr. I do not always agree with him (although mostly I do) and I'm sure he does not always agree with me. Unlike myself, to my experience, he always conducts himself as a gentleman, even when those he confronts do not warrant it.
You know I love ya, Margie. I know you have been unfairly and unreasonably attacked by many here, but question the value of your sometimes aggressive responses in light of your chosen nom de plume.
One Mediator 1 Tim. 2:5. | 5.31.12 @ 1:45PM
Really, Boar?
Tell me what the question is here as this "nice" fellow" accuses me of being the lowest of the low Trolls here?
Hmm?
And, he isn't "my brother". A brother doesn't do that.
So, use the Bible on me for being rightfully angry if you wish, but sticking up for his VILE behavior rather than telling him how perverted he is tells the same Lord that you just quoted where you REALLY stand.
No, you don't "love" me. You just got done using the Word of God against me, and siding with a reprobate liar.
Von Mises Jr| 5.31.12 @ 1:50PM
Thank you Boar Hunter. I do not know Margie and perhaps I was unfair. My friend CJW made the connection to Margie. If you are collateral damage, Margie, my humblest apology.
But that doesn't change the realization that we have trolls with twelve handles wasting our time.
One Mediator 1 Tim. 2:5. | 5.31.12 @ 1:58PM
Von Mises, I just now saw your post as I was posting mine.
If you're sincere, apology accepted. Why not look at what I actually SAY, instead of siding with my enemies out of hand?
"W" hates my guts, plain and simple. He is a liar who has regularly verbally abused me and continuously lies about me as a person here.
It is interesting, is it not, that the hypocrite changed his handle as well?
I don't care what you guys think of me. I know Whom I try and serve, by the Grace of God. I'm for the TRUTH, and some can't stand that.
If you call CJW a friend, you either are in agreement with his vileness and beliefs that lead him to it, or you are blind.
Von Mises Jr| 5.31.12 @ 5:25PM
I call CJW a friend. He is an intelligent and insightful person.
I have never seen your name before and you seem a little touchy. I asked Perp to give us a glimpse of his library. That is when he goes weird.
What conservative books have you read?
One Mediator 1 Tim. 2:5. | 5.31.12 @ 5:30PM
You somehow think that book knowledge means more than honesty and integrity.
Your friend is a liar and slanderer.
Birds of a feather.
If you want to make reading books the issue, I suggest getting your head in the Bible, and then taking His Words seriously before you go trashing people.
Idiot.
CJW| 5.31.12 @ 7:08PM
Von,
Thanks.
Margie,
As I told you before, I do not hate you. I do think you are intolerant who hates anyone that disagrees with your religious beliefs. In this you are like a fundamentalist Muslim and that is why I called you Mullah Margie. I really do not care what religion you practice, but your are obsessed with criticizing Catholics.
You call everyone who disagrees with you a liar, reprobate, etc, and call all Catholics pope worshipers, papists, etc.
You lie and misrepresent about the Catholic Church. Nick and RCV and others, tried reasoning with you to correct your miststatements, but you called them liars.
You believe what you believe and anyone who disagrees is a liar, reprobate, imbecile, devil, etc. and will burn in hell. So Catholics, Jews, Muslims,
Budhists, Hindus, atheists, and others who do not agree with you will burn in hell.
You see some conspiracy in changing from W to CJW? I said I was adding two letters.
Actually, I feel sorry for you. You do not get along here with hardly anyone, even those that try to be civil and friendly to you. You admit you got banned at other sites, and were told by the editors to stop your anti-Catholic tirades here.
Skip the reply, I am not interested in talking to you, and not because you are not a lawyer or do not have a degree, but because you are intolerant.
You make some sense on politics and culture but your intolerant views on religion overshadows your other sensible comments.
One Mediator 1 Tim. 2:5. | 5.31.12 @ 7:50PM
"You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies." Jn. 8:44.
When a person lies, I call them a liar. That is what you do.
And Jesus is intolerant of liars, and I'm on His side. Too bad your highness did not prefer a reply.
You got it anyway, "W".
One Mediator 1 Tim. 2:5. | 5.31.12 @ 8:07PM
"You call everyone who disagrees with you a liar, reprobate, etc, and call all Catholics pope worshipers, papists, etc.
You lie and misrepresent about the Catholic Church. Nick and RCV and others, tried reasoning with you to correct your miststatements, but you called them liars."
Utter deceit.
Let me pick it apart. liar:
I do not call everyone who disagrees with me a liar, I call those who lie, liars.
Anyone can search my posts here.
And it's true, Catholics ARE Pope worshippers.
I have NEVER lied about the Catholic church, I have told the TRUTH about it, as Scripture and history attests to, and as my posts are as truthful as I can possibly be.
Nick and RCV are not reasonable people concerning the cult of Catholicism, they are both extremely deceitful, and that is the truth.
And they both have blatantly lied concerning my person, who I am and what I believe, according to the Bible.
You are utterly disingenuous, and you KNOW it.
Von Mises Jr| 5.31.12 @ 5:55PM
WAIT A MINUTE. I apoligized to Margie.
But One Mediator Tim accepts my apology? I think you just pulled a Perp and answered as "Jefferson."
Can we get an audit here. This is from "Religious Fire Bell in the Night:"
"Von Mises Jr| 5.31.12 @ 1:50PM
Thank you Boar Hunter. I do not know Margie and perhaps I was unfair. My friend CJW made the connection to Margie. If you are collateral damage, Margie, my humblest apology.
But that doesn't change the realization that we have trolls with twelve handles wasting our time."
How can you accept an apology to Margie unless you are both OMT and MARGIE?
One Mediator 1 Tim. 2:5. | 5.31.12 @ 6:25PM
Somebody's real confused, especially for being soo intellectual and all!
Von Mises Jr| 5.31.12 @ 10:37PM
Margie/One Medhead, here is what you said at 1:58PM above. I conditionally apologized to Margie, and YOU, OneMeathead replied:
"If you're sincere, apology accepted."
So I am not confused at all. Meathead answered for Margie. Or is that Maji, Oh Wise Man.
One Mediator 1 Tim. 2:5. | 5.31.12 @ 1:52PM
"Take heed to yourselves; if your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him.." Lk. 17:3.
Let's see the supposed "brother" repent first, then you can hurl your Bible at me.
He will not, for he cannot abide Bible believing Christians. He's a Pope worshipper.
He DESPISES me, and always will until he repents and believes the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Appleby| 5.31.12 @ 7:18PM
Having been a Mormon myself, I count Romney among the enemies of Christ, not among His friends.
One Mediator 1 Tim. 2:5. | 5.31.12 @ 7:56PM
Appleby,
You are now doing what so many here accuse me of doing~ being an intolerant Bigot.
How dare you!
And now, I will tell you that anyone who worships man and not God is an Idolator as well.
"He who does not love Me does not keep My Words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me". Jn. 14:24.
Catholicism does not keep the Words of Christ, they keep the words of the Vatican, and of the Popes.
The Religion is of the Devil, and an enemy of the Cross of Christ, Jesus, the One Mediator between man and God. Who saves by Grace, not by our good deeds.
However, we are voting for President, and Catholics and Mormons while they worship men, are at least in agreement with the basic principals of the Republican party's platform.
That's why I could and did vote for Santorum in our primary, both me and my husband, and it's why I will vote for Romney as well.
This isn't a theocracy, but Constitutional Republic.
One Mediator 1 Tim. 2:5. | 5.31.12 @ 8:13PM
The "How dare you" is to be taken in jest, as I appreciate the straight forward truth concerning Mormonism.
It is the truth about Catholicism though as well. It's teachings are unbiblical, false and utterly disgusting.
Such as Mary being born sinless and co-Redemptrix with Christ.
Such as Transubstantiation.
Such as Popery and priests.
I could go on but I'll spare you.
Just the plain truth, that Religion is false, not Christian. It in itself is an enemy of the Cross.
I can therefore say as you do, that those who worship the words of the Pope are not among Jesus' friends, either.
But watch the contempt I will get, as oppposed to you.
Jack in Wi| 5.31.12 @ 3:25PM
Appleby: The main reason for the radicalization of the Muslims is our constant interferrence in ther countires. If we left them alone and traded with them and were neutral in their internal and foreign affairs Christians would do a lot better. The ancient Christian community in Iraq which did well under Saddam Hussain has been decimated by our actions in Iraq. Christian communities which survived 14 centuries of Muslim rule can't survie our interference. That is why the Pope has opposed our war in Iraq and our proposed war with iran. They are both in violation of the Catholic Just war Doctrine. We are going to have to learn how to live in peace with our Muslim brothers and sisters. We should be pushing peace and freedom of religion.
Occam's Tool| 5.31.12 @ 5:17PM
Unless one is a blind pacifist (they tend to end up dead after killing a lot of other people), one needs to realize that we are dealing with a new totalitarian threat. They are coming up the same old way, and they will need to be beaten the same old way.
Millions for defence, not one penny for tribute.
Occam's Tool| 5.31.12 @ 6:03PM
BREAKING NEWS: RON ("PRO-LIFE") PAUL VOTES TO MURDER BABIES-----
from Weasel Zippers (a much better site):
"The House on Thursday rejected a Republican bill that would impose fines and prison terms on doctors who perform abortions for the sole purpose of controlling the gender of the child, a practice known as sex-selective abortion.
The Prenatal Nondiscrimination Act (PRENDA), H.R. 3541, was defeated in a 246-168 vote. While that’s a clear majority of the House, Republicans called up the bill under a suspension of House rules, which limits debate and requires a two-thirds majority vote to pass. In this case, it would have required more support from Democrats.
Twenty Democrats voted for the bill, while seven Republicans opposed it. The bill would have needed 30 more yeas to pass.
Suspension votes are normally used for noncontroversial bills, but the GOP-backed measure was clearly controversial. Republicans have occasionally put controversial bills on the suspension calendar in order to highlight that Democrats oppose certain policies.
Republicans voting against the bill were Reps. Justin Amash (Mich.), Charlie Bass (N.H.), Mary Bono Mack (Calif.), Robert Dold (Ill.), Richard Hanna (N.Y.), Nan Hayworth (N.Y.), and Ron Paul (Texas)."
One Mediator 1 Tim. 2:5. | 5.31.12 @ 6:30PM
Occam,
Your pals over there banned me. They did so because I said Homosexuality is sin.
Some coward wrote to me without signing a name, accusing me of being mentally ill (the usual Leftist way), and of hating Homosexuals, which is a lie, and asked me how it was "going over at Westboro?"
All I did was quote the Bible.
Meanwhile, others are free to curse and abuse other posters there without reproach, so I will have to disagree with you on Weasel Zips.
Not only could they not stand my strong stance on God's Words, but they scrubbed ALL my posts for the past few months!
Oh well.
Jack in Wi| 5.31.12 @ 6:50PM
Murder is a state crime Occam. Ron Paul is the only one who wants to overthrow Roe Vs Wade using the constutional provisions in Article 3 Section 2 to take away the Surpreme Courts juridiction in the matter and returning it to the states. Jesse Helms wanted to use the same provision 30 years ago. This whole vote today was just politics like usual for the Republicans who have had decades to do something about Roe. Why would they? Roe was put on the books with the votes of 5 Republican justices.
Appleby| 5.31.12 @ 7:20PM
You don't live in Canada, obviously. Come up here and spend six months in the GTA as One Of Us. You'll get your eyes opened so wide you might even see daylight once in awhile. The Muslims that are making hay up here are not victims of Home Invasion...what would be your excuse for them in this regard?
Jack in Wi| 5.31.12 @ 7:34PM
The Muslims were left into the country by people from both sides in Canada. The Progressive Conservative Prime Minister John Diefenbaker pushed for 3rd world immigration into Canada in the 1950's. Canada is quite a mess. Each ethnic group thinks it should have it's own terrain, except the whites who have to put up with it all. In the end we are going to have to live together. We can't be like Occam and call for genocide. We Catholics believe in the Universal brotherhood of all men. We are just going have practice what we preach.
Cromulent| 5.31.12 @ 10:38AM
I appreciate Doug's work, but the Islamists have been on the march for a while now in Kuwait. This didn't happen overnight.
Matthew Quigley| 5.31.12 @ 11:03AM
And this should surprise us why? Anyone who doesn't know that muslims are treacherous had better figure that out FAST...seeing as 9/11 showed us their true nature.
Ruckweiler| 5.31.12 @ 11:06AM
Drill, baby , drill! Then we tell OPEC and its enlightened membership bye, baby, bye!
One Mediator 1 Tim. 2:5. | 5.31.12 @ 11:24AM
From Voice of the Martyrs @ Persecution.com. A Prayer request relating to same:
Kuwait: Law Drafted to Remove
Churches
On Feb. 17, an Islamist member of Kuwaiti parliament, Osama Al-Monawer, threatened to draft a law that would remove all churches and prevent construction of new churches, arguing that "Kuwait is an Islamic country where churches are not permitted to be built." This is the prevailing attitude in Kuwaiti Parliament, which is also considering
the implementation of Shariah law.
Some believe Monawer's threat is in response to a January 2012 report indicating that a member of Kuwait's royal family has become a follower of Jesus.
When a Kuwaiti delegation mentioned the proposed law to the Grand Mufti (the highest authority in Sunni Islam) in Saudi Arabia, he declared that since Kuwait is part of the Arabian Peninsula, "it is
necessary to destroy all churches in it." He based this on a hadith (saying of Muhammad): "There are not to be two religions in the Peninsula." The Grand Mufti then called for the destruction of "all the
churches in the region."
One Mediator 1 Tim. 2:5. | 5.31.12 @ 11:25AM
Source: Window International Network
Please Pray!
Please pray that efforts to enforce Shariah law and to destroy churches in Kuwait will fail. Pray that God will strengthen and encourage Christians in Kuwait and that they will be able to continue practicing their religion boldly and freely.
"Shall the throne of iniquity, which devises evil by law, have fellowship with You? They gather together against the life of the righteous, and condemn innocent blood. But the LORD has been my defense, and my God the rock of my refuge." Psalm 94:2022
Intelligent Design| 5.31.12 @ 1:24PM
The essence of Islam is forced state religion. It is hostile and subversive to our Constitution.
Occam's Tool| 5.31.12 @ 5:14PM
Margie: You are a sweet lady, with a compassion towards human weakness which is extraordinary (for those who doubt that, look up Margie's comments after Amy Winehouse died). But think: as you go through life, how are you going to Convert people? One of the things I have to do sometimes is work with completely unreasonable alcoholics and other drug users. Confrontation is very occasionally sometimes useful, but much more often what is useful is a "motivational therapy" technique, where one slides with the resistance and goes from there. Start with the person in front of you and work with them. (There are texts on this---it is a great discussion approach) For example, let's say I disagree with Boar Hunter on the approach to Romney. He wasn't my first choice, but hey, better than Obama. Boar feels he may not be better enough than Obama and we may be better letting Obama back in and getting a more defined choice the next time.
Okay. Suppose I want to convince my friend of my position. Confrontation or empathy?
My usual approach, as you know, is kindness first, attempt to understand the other, if at all possible---this assumes the other is not a raging fool, of course. There are a lot of people here who could appreciate your compassion if you showed that side of you more By the way, let me state clearly: I have always found you nice and decent, never troll-like. You always have something substantive to say. May G-d Bless and Keep Well you and your husband, Victor.
One Mediator 1 Tim. 2:5. | 5.31.12 @ 5:40PM
Occam,
I have lots of experience dealing with liars. I know game players when I see them, and these people here that despise me couldn't care less about anything I have to say. They just absolutely despise me.. for exactly who I am, a Bible believing Christian.
I know when to talk tough and when not to. Believe me, it matters not what I say or how I say it, it doesn't matter to these dishonest haters.
I don't agree with their Religion, and that's the bottom line. Either that, or I'm such a low human being in their eyes because I'm not a stinking lawyer, or have a degree in something.
Truth hurts, it causes separations and divisions amongst us, and that's what Jesus came for~ division. And He never kissed anybody's rear end, nor will I.
Let them continue the lies and the slander~ it only proves who they are.
THEY DON'T CARE.
You're right about the general approach, and what you just got done saying is absolutely true. But these people KNOW who I am, after 2 years here? Please.
And thanks for the kind words.. right back at ya.
Occam's Tool| 5.31.12 @ 6:04PM
Margie: Time to turn the screws on the Paulbot scum:
BREAKING NEWS: RON ("PRO-LIFE") PAUL VOTES TO MURDER BABIES-----
from Weasel Zippers (a much better site):
"The House on Thursday rejected a Republican bill that would impose fines and prison terms on doctors who perform abortions for the sole purpose of controlling the gender of the child, a practice known as sex-selective abortion.
The Prenatal Nondiscrimination Act (PRENDA), H.R. 3541, was defeated in a 246-168 vote. While that’s a clear majority of the House, Republicans called up the bill under a suspension of House rules, which limits debate and requires a two-thirds majority vote to pass. In this case, it would have required more support from Democrats.
Twenty Democrats voted for the bill, while seven Republicans opposed it. The bill would have needed 30 more yeas to pass.
Suspension votes are normally used for noncontroversial bills, but the GOP-backed measure was clearly controversial. Republicans have occasionally put controversial bills on the suspension calendar in order to highlight that Democrats oppose certain policies.
Republicans voting against the bill were Reps. Justin Amash (Mich.), Charlie Bass (N.H.), Mary Bono Mack (Calif.), Robert Dold (Ill.), Richard Hanna (N.Y.), Nan Hayworth (N.Y.), and Ron Paul (Texas)."
One Mediator 1 Tim. 2:5. | 5.31.12 @ 6:52PM
Occam,
Not surprising. The Paul-bots ARE truly Leftists, after all.
Funny. Wonder why Clint is suddenly missing.
I always wondered if he was "W" or perhaps "W" was Quin Hillyer.
If he doesn't show up soon as Clint, it definitely means he's already one of the others here that's taken a name.
I'd venture to say he's already posting.
Say, just an addendum to my previous post: Have you noticed how the supposed classy guys here who accuse me of being anti-semitic are the same ones whose Religion actually believes that their "church" has "replaced" Israel? (Supersessionism).
Just saying.
As to this Ron Paul issue: he'll probably justify it by saying he doesn't vote for ANYTHING, anyway.
Just like he did with his refusal to vote for the bill that had to do with our backing of Israel's right to defend herself, a few years back.
Ron Paul, in sync w/ the Leftist mindset, as usual. Libertarianism, really, that's what Ron Paul is. He just changed parties in order to try and get elected, or take it over with his pals.
So glad he failed in that quest, once again.
Occam's Tool| 5.31.12 @ 5:18PM
ID: Much better put than I did. Congratulations. You also recognize that Submission is fatal to liberty, unlike some.
cicero| 5.31.12 @ 4:12PM
Yes, it is me. I know that I confused things yesterday whith the new sign in procedure, but I hope that all is now aright.
The only way to avoid the mess in the Middle East, and the Arab countries, is to do just that - avoid them. Drill and exploit our own resources, and force the world price back to where it should be - at about $30.00 to $40.00 per barrel. At that point, the Islamic states will be hard pressed to buy off the poor, and we will be left to witness recurring regime changes. As usual, they will be violent. If we stay out, and stop selling them weapons, the violence will be confined to pre-modern killings. They may just resort to targeted assasssinations.
We would never dream of supporting, much less associating with, regimes as illiberal os the Muslim states but for their sole valuable commodity. We have sanctioned societies economically for lesser things than religious persecution.
Occam's Tool| 5.31.12 @ 5:19PM
Cicero is very correct. One thing: we do sell weapons to those who are forced to contain these savages.