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Streetcar Line
Age and Kyl
The way to beat Obama’s youth and (strange) enthusiasms.
Jon Kyl is the sort of public servant who should have been running for president this year. Instead, we’ll just have to make do with some of his wisdom as the U.S. senator from Arizona enters the seven-month closing stretch of 26 years in Congress.
Kyl, the second ranking Republican in the Senate and always among the most conservative, is one of those rare breeds who seem to make no strong enemies even while holding firm to a consistent philosophy. A leader on issues ranging from defense policy (especially missile defense) to criminal justice to tax cuts, Kyl is inevitably among the most knowledgeable people in the room on any subject about which he speaks — but he often willingly pushes others toward the spotlight if he thinks, tactically, that those others can best advance his cause.
I sought Kyl out on Tuesday, therefore, as a voice of conservative thoughtfulness who might have a good sense of where things stand politically right now for cause and country. His outlook wasn’t bearish, but it was decidedly sobering.
“As a general proposition I think right now the president and the Senate are 50-50 propositions and the House is only slightly better than that,” he said. “I think that, ironically, President Obama has a firmer fix on what this election is going to be about than a lot of Republicans do. He is clear that he wants to fight for the fundamental progressive agenda to totally change the direction of our country, and I don’t think Republicans yet appreciate what a radical change that would be. But we are beginning to figure that out.
“Obama is perfectly happy to litigate this question of the power of government versus the power of freedom. He believes in the power of government. That is all he has ever known. He doesn’t appreciate the private economic market and he sees his role as president as managing all of this rather than allowing the private sector to manage itself. And I think Mitt Romney has to take up that challenge because he is on the side of traditional America, the system that made us great and can continue to keep us on top, but he’s got to be able to articulate that kind of view against Obama’s vision of a government-centered country.”
Well, then, I asked, are we on the Right making our case?
Kyl’s blunt answer: “No. We are not very good at it.”
Then, unbidden, Kyl continued: “One of the people best at it is Arthur Brooks [president of the American Enterprise Institute]. He says we tend to get mired down in statistics. We do. But [Brooks says] we need to talk in terms of the concept of fairness because that’s the concept the liberals like to talk about.”
As it happened, one day earlier I had attended a speech by Brooks at the Heritage Foundation, explaining just this idea, which he develops in full in his new book, The Road to Freedom: How to Win the Fight for Free Enterprise. “We have to make the moral case for free enterprise,” Brooks said. “The economic case is unambiguous, and we’ve been getting all the words right about free enterprise — but we’ve been missing the music…. We’ve talked about efficiency, when most people care about a better life.”
Case in point: welfare reform [of Aid to Families with Dependent Children] in 1996. Conservatives yelled for years about how expensive welfare was. But until conservatives started talking about reform as actually being a better way to help the people who needed it, they didn’t get very far. “The morality, not the materialism, changed that policy,” Brooks said.
Anyway, Brooks went on from there to explain that the happiest people in America are those who have experienced “earned success,” which he called the opposite of “learned helplessness.” The American people, he said, citing various studies, still believe that “fairness” is a matter not just of equal results, but of appropriately rewarding those who have earned it.
That’s exactly where Kyl picked up the thread, as thoroughly conversant with the theme as if he had memorized the speech he hadn’t even attended: “The Left, really, has a very materialistic view. We need to do a much better job of articulating the whole point about free enterprise…. Romney and the Republicans better be prepared to defend the system on fairness grounds the very way Brooks articulates it.”
He cited a Brooks story about a brother and a sister arguing about the last of four cookies. The brother said he should get it since the sister already had eaten two while he just had one.
“Yes, that’s true,” the sister said, quite reasonably, “but I was the one who bought the ingredients and baked them.”
Said Kyl: “Shouldn’t there be some reward for effort, achievement, creation, production, responsibility? Most people innately understand the difference between makers and takers. When you point out to them that over half of American people are receiving some kind of government assistance — food stamps have absolutely skyrocketed; half of all people don’t pay income taxes — people can realize that this redistribution à la Obama isn’t ‘fair.’ If you keep doing this, pretty soon, there’s not enough for anybody.”
Kyl then made a coherent case for solving the nation’s economic problems through private-sector growth, not government spending; tax restraints rather than tax hikes; freedom rather than mandated behavior. Then:
“At the end of the day, where Obama wants to go is a very bad place from our perspective. People who haven’t thought a lot about this can think, ‘wait a minute, it can’t be that bad.’ So we’ve got to give real-life examples of things he has said and things he is trying to do, to make the point that yes, it could be that bad, things like rationing of health care under Medicare and Medicaid for example. A perpetual reduction in our standard of living, reflected in the fact that the government is taking so much out of our private sector that we are in danger of becoming like the European states. And he’s reducing our influence in the world, so much that we are subject to the winds that blow rather than being in some sort of control over events that can harm us.
“I think it all gets down to the difference between liberty and opportunity on one side, and government power on the other side. The people in the middle are not ‘moderates,’ they are ‘independents.’ They do not like government; they don’t like politicians, they do not like the power structure, but they do have core beliefs. I think Americans’ core beliefs include a healthy dose of wanting to live their own lives the way they want to live it, not having the government control everything, I think we can appeal to that.”
Coming from a man whose entire demeanor exudes common sense, competence and decency, the message is entirely believable and saleable.
One other point Kyl made is that Republicans “need to be prepared to talk a little more about foreign policy and defense policy than we are doing right now.” If Israel attacks Iran; if some other crisis emerges, he said, we must be ready to offer leadership and show that we understand what’s happening. And while defense savings can be achieved, he said, he warned strongly against “Draconian cuts” to the military.
In another nice coincidence, backing for that position came later that day from an unexpected source. In an otherwise off-the-record, high-minded, roundtable discussion with freshman U.S. Sen. Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire, Ayotte volunteered much the same idea, and said that advocating a strong defense isn’t just good policy but good politics, too, even in her own state without major military bases. Mentioning Kyl’s name, unprompted, among three senators she said who really understand these things, Ayotte said:
“I raise this at every town meeting…. People generally appreciate that the foremost issue of government is to keep the people safe…. This is something that resonates with my constituents: We are in a very real fiscal crisis, yet what are we putting in jeopardy first? The very people who put their lives on the line for us. My constituents understand that is not the best choice we can make.”
Ayotte represents a decidedly “purple” or “swing” state, one with a Democratic governor for 14 of the past 16 tears — yet she won her Senate seat, in her first-ever run for public office, by more than 22 points. Maybe she, and Kyl, is on to something.
But back to my interview with Kyl. “All that said,” Kyl hastened to add after having brought up defense issues, “I still think we’re talking about the economy first. The more people you have dependent on government, the less likely you are to be able to appeal to liberty and the more likely they [Liberals] are to win the argument. There is a tipping point. That’s what you see in Greece.”
Jon Kyl is a now 70 years old — but such a young 70 that three years ago, in a small-group lunch that Vice President Dick Cheney hosted for conservative columnists just before leaving office, Cheney listed Kyl among four or five names (all the others were three decades Kyl’s junior) he called “younger rising stars” of the Republican Party.
Conservatives, taking heed of that youthfulness, should yearn for Kyl not to leave the scene so quickly.
About the Author
Quin Hillyer is a senior editor of The American Spectator and a senior fellow at the Center for Individual Freedom. Follow him on Twitter @QuinHillyer.
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Appleby| 5.25.12 @ 6:42AM
You are talking about rewarding those who put in the work and paid for the materials -- to a generation or two that have been given trophies for just showing up, who have heard the term "less fortunate" and believe that everything is tipped onto the earth by angels from golden baskets, and your "fair share" is entirely dependent on where you happen to be standing when the Goodies rain down.
And you are addressing more than one generation that believes that work is supposed to be entertaining. "Work isn't supposed to be fun," Daddy frequently reminded us. "Otherwise they wouldn't call it WORK."
Jack in Wi.| 5.25.12 @ 8:20AM
Kyle: Fooey and good riddance. Who cares about either Obama or Romney? They are both a a pair of worthless shills for the elites. I have never seen so many people disgusted with the choices we have in this election.
TLP| 5.25.12 @ 9:32AM
If this is a story about John Kyle?
Why is there a picture of Henny Youngman, at the top of the page?
SCM| 5.25.12 @ 12:31PM
You and Jack can criticize if you like, but can't you even spell the man's name correctly after reading the article?
TLP| 5.25.12 @ 3:25PM
So, according to YOU, spelling trumps everything?
What a dumb@ss.
Grow up, douchebag! And stop peeking at your Mother in the shower.
Idiot.
Occam's Tool| 5.28.12 @ 12:53PM
I think Tim's comment was a joke. Seems to me that Kyl would be a good VEEP choice. Especially if TraitorJack dislikes him. However, the Amnesty bill was a stupid idea. Hmmmm.... have to think about that one.
Barky K9 | 5.27.12 @ 2:09AM
I'm just not real impressed with Kyl...He was a Bushie who supported the invastion of Iraq and voted for his fellow-Arizona Senator's Amnesty bill.
Richard Ryan| 5.25.12 @ 8:23AM
Very good points. I remember when the "big promotion" was something to strive for. People looked at success and wanted to have it. Now they are being taught to resent success, and that those who do not achieve it are "less fortunate" as you say.
Booger| 5.25.12 @ 10:33AM
This is totally off topic, but it shouldn't be. Since this is blog about Brett Kimberlin (the convicted terrorist) day, and Robert Stacy McCain, one of Spectator's own, is currently in hiding with his family due to threats from Kimberlin, why is there no mention of it here today? Shame on Spectator for not sticking up for its own.
Alan Brooks| 5.25.12 @ 2:34PM
"and believe that everything is tipped onto the earth by angels from golden baskets"
They got that from religion- remember, religion gave birth to politics.
Pseudo-Intellectual | 5.27.12 @ 2:05AM
I'm sorry I can't get past Kyl's support of the McCain/Kennedy Amnesty Act.
michael| 5.25.12 @ 8:00AM
26 years, really? Just like Mccain he votes conservative on the minor issues and votes with his Rhino/progressive elites on the game changers.
TERM LIMITS don't give any of them the time to build empires, do your service (2 terms max) and move on, let another citizen serve for better or worse. Thats a citizen govt.
TLP| 5.25.12 @ 9:30AM
Michael is exactly right. Kyle is a pile of Silly Putty. He's like Gumby. He skates around, and re-shapes himself in to whatever form he thinks he needs, at any given moment. He's soft, at a time when we need people who are Hardened Conservatives.
He lurks around the periphery during appearances of the gutless Republican Leadership, before the Cameras. He's not Outspoken, nor does he seem to have any set of CORE VALUES.
He's that kid in class, who tries to will himself Invisible, when the Teacher is looking to ask questions about a Reading Assignment that he didn't do. He's that Basic Training kid, who does the same thing when his Drill Instructor is passing out Latrine Details, and other assorted goodies. (I should know. I was both of those great guys. At Boot Camp, I am proud to announce that I was THE WORST Chow Runner, probably, in the History of Lackland AFB.) But then, I'm not a U.S. Senator, with the fate of the Future of the Country in my hands.
Kyle is no different than McCain, or McConnell, or Boehnor, or any of the other DO NOTHINGS in the Republican Leadership. Their Nice Offices and Parking Spaces, Bathrooms and Commisaries, Gyms and Pools, Pensions and Health Care Plans, Travel Vouchers, and Franking Privileges, are Job#1, with these guys. Those, and of course, who wants to jeopardize a Job where YOU vote yourself Pay Raises?
This is just another Puff Piece, written by an Establishment Rockefeller Republican, about another Establishment Rockefeller Republican, so as to Ingratiate himself with his own kind, and maybe get Invited to one of their Pompous Ass Soirées, or whatever kind of Self Important Catilians one attends, when they've traded in their Testosterone Rations, for a pair of Soft Hands, Panties, and a Manicure.
Quin| 5.25.12 @ 11:14AM
And you, sir, have no clue what you are talking about. This man has been identified as the fourth most conservative senator in the country. He has been a leader within the GOP caucus for conservatives for years.
TLP| 5.25.12 @ 3:30PM
"Identified" by WHOM?
Bill Crystal?
STFU, dumb@ss.
TLP| 5.25.12 @ 7:51PM
True Conservatives are like Pornagraphy.
I know'em when I see'em.
And YOU, Sir, are not one of them.
And, I do apologize for snapping at you, the way I did. Come Friday, I'm always about at my wits end. Again, I apologize.
Have a good Memorial Day, just the same.
Regards.
Clint| 5.26.12 @ 11:10AM
Then Again, Neither Are You, American Spectator's Resident Foghorn Leghorn Bloviator RINO-CINO Ruling Elites' Flunkie Stooge, TLP.
" Gingrich: Conservatives Won't Let Wall St. And Romney "Buy Election"
"Look, the conservative movement is not going to sit by and let a Massachusetts liberal, who's pro-abortion, pro-gun control, pro-tax increase, pro-gay rights, whose Romneycare in two articles in the last 24 hours were described as the equivalent of Obamacare and who George Soros says is just fine. He'd be happy with either Obama or Romney [be]cause they are both the establishment -- that's just George Soros," Newt Gingrich told FOX News' Bret Baier on the campaign trail in Tampa, Florida.
"Now, the conservative movement isn't going to sit back and say 'Oh yes, let's let Wall Street, and Goldman Sachs and Mitt Romney buy the election. So you're going to see a real grass roots fight. It will be people power vs. Goldman Sachs and Mitt Romney," he added."
Only One Mediator Christ Jesus| 5.26.12 @ 1:32PM
The only conservatives to the cult of Ron Paul are those of like mind with him.
Anti-Israel, anti-war, anti-Christian, immoral, indecent, proud and arrogant Occupy Wall St. THUGS.
Warrior | 5.25.12 @ 4:41PM
Quin, did any of you at AS actually read what Angelo Codevilla wrote in his essay on the ruling elite? The problem with you and your ilk is that you are trying to sell moderate Republicans as conservatives. Mr. Kyl is not a conservative and by your writings, neither are you.
Jeamar| 5.25.12 @ 9:28PM
Term limits also deprives voters of voting for whom they believe is the best person to represent their personal interests. Term limits sounds so reasonable yet it is a trap of unintended consequences. (Just think how crooked some of these jokers would have to be to get their swag in only two terms!)
TLP| 5.26.12 @ 9:18PM
The President is Term Limited.
Von Mises Jr| 5.25.12 @ 8:48AM
Obama, the Progressives and the global elite think that if they gain control over the world's population that they can rule without war and conflict. If they put you in compounds like Mao's China and take guns away from everyone but the enforcer that will shoot you in the back of the head with a silver bullet, we will have Utopia. Orwell described this Utopia in "1984."
Here is the UN version of Orwell's fiction, only they are dead serious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzEEgtOFFlM
James Jones| 5.25.12 @ 9:15AM
Jon Kyl - so you "don't think Republicans yet appreciate what a radical change that would be. But we are beginning to figure that out?"
Well, Republican Beltway types may not, but Conservatives who will vote Republican did, a long time ago.
And you talk about morality as though morality means taking care of people. But you did not mention that it is immoral to forcibly redistribute our money because it is "fair." Note that I said "redistribute," which goes far beyond any legitimate public need that we have all agreed on.
As conservative as you may be, it seems to me that you are out of touch with what conservatives and ordinary people across the country are thinking, and you may have been inside the Beltway too long.
Al Adab| 5.25.12 @ 11:08AM
Is there any particular reason that Kyl is not on the VP short list this year? He certainly would have been the VP nominee in '08 had the candidate been other than McCain.
TLP| 5.25.12 @ 3:34PM
I like you Al, but he is NOT a Conservative.
Trust me.
Go read what Michael wrote, above.
He gets it.
TLP| 5.25.12 @ 3:32PM
Exactly.
Not Special Ops Bill| 5.25.12 @ 10:20AM
It's "make do," not "make due."
Clint| 5.26.12 @ 11:13AM
Then Again, Neither Are You, American Spectator's Resident Foghorn Leghorn Bloviator RINO-CINO Ruling Elites' Flunkie Stooge, TLP.
" Gingrich: Conservatives Won't Let Wall St. And Romney "Buy Election"
"Look, the conservative movement is not going to sit by and let a Massachusetts liberal, who's pro-abortion, pro-gun control, pro-tax increase, pro-gay rights, whose Romneycare in two articles in the last 24 hours were described as the equivalent of Obamacare and who George Soros says is just fine. He'd be happy with either Obama or Romney [be]cause they are both the establishment -- that's just George Soros," Newt Gingrich told FOX News' Bret Baier on the campaign trail in Tampa, Florida.
"Now, the conservative movement isn't going to sit back and say 'Oh yes, let's let Wall Street, and Goldman Sachs and Mitt Romney buy the election. So you're going to see a real grass roots fight. It will be people power vs. Goldman Sachs and Mitt Romney," he added."
fiscal| 5.25.12 @ 11:11AM
This article completely misses the the point. Normal people's lives are completely disconnected from government. They worry about their own local lives, especially in times of economic hardship. They pay taxes, so they want more from government. Since income disparity has increased over the the past decade, most people don't pay a lot of taxes. The tax argument is not relevant to them.
Most successful politicians understand this, which is why both Dems and Republicans continue to spend more than we take in (and why we have lotteries). To Obama, a consummate politician (and not a leader) , it is not about a nanny state, it is about getting elected -- i.e., giving just enough to the right groups to get their votes. (Rove was great at that, you know.)
So the real problem is that we have professional politicians on both sides trying to get votes by telling their specific constituencies what they want to hear. Today, with technology, we can even micro-target these groups.
So, guys and gals, it's not about conservative or liberal ideologies, it is that we now have a form of politics that rewards how much we give away. No one gets penalized (locally), for overspending.
Everyone knows we overspend. Democrats overspend on social programs and Republicans overspend on defense and wars. Neither is funded. Saying this country is going bankrupt is a nice concept (and even true), but it doesn't resonate with voters who can't conceptualize this in their daily lives.
It is also because of our election process that Republicans don't seem to understand regulation. People are generally fair. They want good people to be rewarded and bad people punished. Companies are not moral entities -- their only responsibility is to give a great return to their shareholders. People generally understand that this leads to bad, and immoral, behavior as it did in the financial crisis and regulation is a necessary evil. Regulation to govern bad behavior should be a good thing to conservatives who relish doing the right thing. But the only place most conservatives today want to regulate is our personal lives -- and not public institutions.
Also, over the next few decades, a young population that believes in personal liberty (which is why they support Ron Paul) will grow. They don't want government telling them what they should do with abortion, or gay rights, or any of the many social issues. They in their personal liberty. Republicans don't seem to understand that, either.
Kyl had a safe seat. But Arizona is changing. The old line white conservatives are dying off and the younger, browner, population is growing dramatically. I'm sure Kyl sees this change. Just as their neighbor, California, you'll see Arizona turn liberal over the next decade.
This brings us to what Republicans need to do. They need to subscribe more to personal liberty and responsibility. This is done by toning down social issues, admitting we spend too much on defense, promoting the regulation of bad behavior in business (but not favoring one business over another, and giving hope to younger Americans that something will be left for them in the future because they have a plan on entitlements.
fiscal = fecal brained troll| 5.25.12 @ 12:04PM
Why would anyone read a post of this length from fiscal the fecal brained liberal troll:
fiscal the fecal brained liberal troll three days ago:
"The Bush tax cuts resulted in no more revenue growth than under the tax increases of the Clinton administration. Since they were extended, you must also count the the revenues in the following years. If you do that, revenues under Obama have increased at a greater rate than Bush."
-2001 Bush cut taxes
-2002 Bush cut taxes
-2003 Bush cut taxes
-2003 federal revenue $1.782314 trillion
-2007 federal revenue $2.567985 trillion - an increase of 44% in federal revenue from 2003 to 2007 under Bush
-2008 federal revenue $2.523991 trillion - a decrease of 1.7$ in federal revenue from 2007 to 2008 under Bush
-end of 2008 housing bubble financial meltdown
-2009 federal revenue $2.104989 trillion after end of 2008 housing bubble financial meltdown under Obama
-2011 federal revenue $2.303466 trillion - an increase of 9% in federal revenue from 2009 to 2011 under Obama with extended Bush tax cuts
"The Bush tax cuts resulted in no more revenue growth than...the revenues in the following years...revenues under Obama have increased at a greater rate than Bush"
Per fiscal the fecal brained liberal troll 2009-2011 Obama revenue growth of 9% is a greater rate than 2003-2007 Bush revenue growth of 44%
fiscal the fecal brained liberal troll nine days ago:
"The fact is that from the beginning to the end of the Bush administration, revenues actually declined."
"Obama is not destroying the economy anymore than Bush did"
"The Problem is not Obama"
Fecal is the right name...| 5.25.12 @ 12:58PM
For those of you interested in facts and not ideological idiots:
http://www.factcheck.org/2011/07/fiscal-factcheck/
fiscal = fecal brained troll| 5.25.12 @ 3:55PM
fiscal the fecal brained liberal troll today:
"For those of you interested in facts and not ideological idiots: 'factcheck.org' "
fiscal, you fecal brained liberal troll, factcheck.org is more of a joke than Paul Krugman, Joe Biden, Ed Schultz, Jay Carney and Elizabeth Warren, combined.
fiscal, you fecal brained liberal troll, the 'ideological non-facts' you willfully ignorantly constantly ignore are from the official website of the White House and of the President of the United States, Barrack Hussein Obama, shown without even any endnotes attached to these facts providing any interpretations of these facts by the president himself, for those interested.
fiscal, you fecal brained liberal troll, the 'non-ideological facts', for those interested, by the outfit that has long been a national running joke at factcheck.org, arbitrarily show 'non-ideological facts' interpreted arbitrarily by, among others, the ultra-liberal MSNBC, the ultra-liberal New York Times, the ultra-liberal Washington Post, and the analysis-subject-to-the-congressional-hypothetical-assumptions CBO, as your link non-ideologically factually shows.
Tex Expatriate| 5.28.12 @ 1:35PM
You must be a Democrat disguising himself as a Spectator reader. The one thing the Feds don't spend enough on is defense. They spend too much on everything else, most of which, unlike defense, is unconstitutional.
You mention that Arizona is changing, getting browner. Mexicans have always been conservative. It's the illegal alien Mexicans who are leftist.
Derek Leaberry| 5.25.12 @ 11:17AM
Kyl is a big defender of John McCain and was McCain, Kennedy and Bush's front man on the road to immigration amnesty. He can't be trusted. Good ridance.
darcy| 5.25.12 @ 12:02PM
You are right about that, Derek. I have a copy of a 2007 letter sent to Kyl by a regional Border Patrol group which reams him for lying to them about his promises to fight for stronger enforcement and against amnesty. CIR changed my entire attitude about Kyl, and I became deeply suspicious as to where his true loyalties lie: with McCain and Senate collegiality or with the people of his state and this country. I spent the whole summer writing every Senator, many of them multiple times, making phone calls, and generally making a nuisance of myself to stop in its tracks that very nasty piece of legislative coming out of the WH, from T. (the commie) Kennedy, and the ever and most despicable John McCain.
There is NOTHING conservative about blessing the takeover of our country with masses of immigrants from the south and displacing American workers, American culture, and American sovereignty. And I'm an Arizonan, btw.
Al Adab| 5.25.12 @ 1:44PM
Darcy,
It is a disease of long term service that the process becomes more important than the results. As with many agencies, institutions and departments, the continuance of the effort and engaging the process become an end in itself. That is one of the problems we seek to right. It will not be easy. Our policy instruments, think public education, often evolve into institutions which seek only their own purpose and no longer the purpose for which they were created.
Drunken Sailor| 5.25.12 @ 12:07PM
Don't know much about the man personally but his voting record makes him look pretty damn conservative.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Jon_Kyl.htm
PRD| 5.25.12 @ 12:12PM
If Kyl is a conservative, why did he vote to send David Hurwitz, President Obama’s pro-abortion nominee to the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit to the full Senate? Time for conservative Republicans to take the Senate.
PattyMor| 5.25.12 @ 12:13PM
Kyl voted to confirm Erick Holder. Personally, I don't trust him anymore than I do the average Republican. Being better than the Democraps is not good enough anymore.
Perusha| 5.25.12 @ 12:15PM
Jon Kyl?
Who ARE these people?
Quin, get with the program!
JEREMIAH WRIGHT.
Anyone with a readership, scared enough about the real possibility of four more years of Obama, must be serious, and spend some of their pundit “capital” by at least mentioning the name of Wright and his Obama connection.
Here’s why---
Remember Jude Wanniski, of “How The World Works” fame?
Here’s more of how the world works---or not:
Pick any example, or topic. I’ll choose the movie, “Fast Food Nation”.
Let’s whittle down the American voting public wrt to this flick. First, what percentage of them have even heard of it?
Second, of those who are aware that there was this movie, how many even saw it, and of those who didn’t, but know it exists, how many of them know what it was about?
Next, consider the small percentage of people who actually saw it---how many of them have forgotten, or buried in their subconscious, what it was about?
Finally, of those who remember the gist of it, how many of them CHANGED anything in their OWN lives, because of its message?
NOW---ponder the Jeremiah “God damn America!” Wright = Obama “movie”.
Isn’t it obvious that this “movie” direly needs to be shown, over and over and over, in as many ways as possible, to counter the “Fast Food Nation”-like situation that prevails in American’s awareness?
All this nitpicking into domestic and foreign policy details, epitomized in this article with Kyl, is wasted motion---circle jerking off. America is going down the tubes, and people are too stupid to realize that the fatal flaw in Obama is in plain sight.
Isn’t it also obvious that most people are “stupid”, and/or in a “stupor”, when it comes to politics? Human nature is based on self-interest, so if Romney wants to beat Obama, it behooves him to inform and/or wake up all the stupid = uninformed and/or in-a-stupor = asleep voters!
Reelecting Obama is equivalent to putting Jeremiah “God damn America!” Wright in charge, or rather, to keeping him in charge!
Damn it, people, wake up!
Only One Mediator Christ Jesus| 5.25.12 @ 12:24PM
I wonder if Kyl, or any of the others who've been there for decades ever tried to get a one on one with Obama to try and get him to reason with them as to these things.
I can just picture somebody like the beloved Ronald Reagan doing that. He really cared, and was humble enough to try.
All the years Kyl's been there, I just wondered that. I mean, how could you NOT want to at least try?
And I'm not trying to demean him by asking this. I have respect for men like Kyl at least to some degree, because they at least think right, and aren't Socialists. It's true though, and TLP voices how most conservatives feel.
We need strength, we need courage and we need boldness in our leaders. We need more Ronald Reagans who are willing to damn the torpedos.
We need more Timothy Pennell TLP types as far as I'm concerned.
And we'll vote for Romney because we want to oust the destroyer from the people's House, but we aren't exactly jumping for joy about it.
And yes, it me, Quin. The one you said good riddance to.
Margie
TLP| 5.25.12 @ 7:56PM
Thank you, Margie, and Good Post.
Have a Great Memorial Day.
TLP| 5.25.12 @ 8:03PM
You know it's me, right?
Margie| 5.25.12 @ 10:45PM
Course I know it's you!
Thanks, too.
Clint| 5.26.12 @ 11:21AM
Uh Oh !
RINO-CINO's Bloviatin' Foghorn Leghorn Pennell & The Apocalyptic Crank Lady White Trash Bigot, Margie Attempt To Sell Us Another Mittens' Kittens RINO-CINO McCain Redux Crap Sandwich.
" Gingrich: Conservatives Won't Let Wall St. And Romney "Buy Election"
"Look, the conservative movement is not going to sit by and let a Massachusetts liberal, who's pro-abortion, pro-gun control, pro-tax increase, pro-gay rights, whose Romneycare in two articles in the last 24 hours were described as the equivalent of Obamacare and who George Soros says is just fine. He'd be happy with either Obama or Romney [be]cause they are both the establishment -- that's just George Soros," Newt Gingrich told FOX News' Bret Baier on the campaign trail in Tampa, Florida.
"Now, the conservative movement isn't going to sit back and say 'Oh yes, let's let Wall Street, and Goldman Sachs and Mitt Romney buy the election. So you're going to see a real grass roots fight. It will be people power vs. Goldman Sachs and Mitt Romney," he added."
Only One Mediator Christ Jesus| 5.26.12 @ 11:50AM
Anti Christian, defender of Murderous men in robes who slaughtered millions of my brothers & sisters in Christ for six centuries, who calls biblical Christians BIGOTS for abiding in the Word of God Clint?Tim* tried selling us his other cult leader, Ron Paul.
And look how THAT worked out.
Clint is an enemy of Christ and an enemy of conservatism.
Get right with God, liar.
Only One Mediator Christ Jesus| 5.26.12 @ 12:16PM
p,s, Good thing I'm considered white trash by you. Praise God! I wouldn't want it any other way.
You filthy fool.
"we have become, and are now, as the refuse of the world, the offscouring of all things." 1 Cor. 4:13.
"God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God." 1 Cor. 1: 28 & 29.
ansonheath| 5.25.12 @ 12:27PM
Why is Kyl not mentioned for VP? He seems to be one of the few adults in the room. Unlike his counterpart from AZ, John 'McPain', Kyl's skills would complement Romney's business background. His criticism of GOP lack of communication skills is right on. Unfortunately, he has been part of it. Selling an idea is TEACHING!
Oldefarte| 5.25.12 @ 2:51PM
Quin, As we get closer to November, congressional recommendations from you and other writers here at TAS would definately be helpful to many of us as to which lean conservative and should be retained/voted for. The POTUS race is and will be thoroughly vetted/discussed and hopefully for every sane blogger here there is naturally one and only one choice, but the congressional races nationwide will be less so [so the more information available concerning individual candidates, the better]. As to the subject of governmental welfare etc, as I've opined numerous times, it has historically evolved into a PERMANENT versus its originally intended TEMPORARY nature, and the Democrats are 150% to blame for same for political reasons. With them, it's governmental welfare provided = votes for Democrats in return as payment for same [Quid-Pro-Quoism]. Democrats don't want to solve societal problems, but instead want them to continue so that advantage can be gained from same. If public education is improved, that represents less [labor union] money provided for same. Keep cranking out stupidity, then there will be an increased need for more governmental dollars to be wasted/thrown at the problem [along with the cry from Democrats that everyone needs to pay more and do THEIR FAIR SHARE BS]. Education's problems could probably be fixed in a matter of a year at max with the dedication of problem solving techniques directed at this problem by knowledgable political administrators. Maybe that someone will be Romney, who knows [but it certainly want be his Democratic POTUS opponent, that's for sure]. Governmental welfare, same thing. It has to begin [this will pee-pee off Catholics etc] birth control, and limitations on indigent births, in order to allow those born a fighting chance in life [and not subjected to abuse/poverty that destroys the chance of a better life]. Governmental welfare has to become restricted to those truly qualified to receive same due to age, infirmity, etc. Additionally, the political elimination of governmental labor unions [ie Wisconsin/Walker] has to become a nationwide agenda. If we vote for truly qualified and dedicated politicians [no Democrats please], in time we can restore this country to greatness!!!!
Clint| 5.26.12 @ 11:28AM
Interesting, That A Number Of These Israel Firster Smear Bund Lapsed Catholics,Turned Ax Grindin' Anti-Catholics Are The Ruling Elites' RINO-CINO Flunkie Stooges For The RINO-CINO Fop Frontman, Mittens Romney.
We Are Being Set Up By The RINO-CINO Flunkie Stooges For The Ruling Elites' Frontman Mittens Romney.
These Are The RINO-CINO Flunkie Stooges Who Gave Us The Serial Traitor To Conservatism, John McCain Of McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy,McCain-Lieberman,Gang Of 14, Opposing Bush Tax Cuts Of 2001 & 2003,TARP.
Now They Are Trying To Give Us RomneyCare,TARP, Cynical Flip-Flops On Abortion, Gays, Refuses to Sign Pro-Life Pledge, Illegal Immigrants, "Little Chain Saw Al" At Bain, Crony Capitalism Campaign Money Trail.....
Only One Mediator Christ Jesus| 5.26.12 @ 11:52AM
You've been HAD by two cults. The cult of your false Religion, and the cult of Ron Paul.
You are a prime example of wasted, reprobate mind.
Oldefarte| 5.26.12 @ 4:40PM
It was the FIRST religion, but sadly has cancers like molestation and him!!!!!!!!!
Only One Mediator| 5.27.12 @ 10:42AM
Oldefarte,
I will in all respect inform you that, no Catholicism the Religion was not first. It came after the first Christians, who were simply biblical Christians, who abided only and strictly by the the teachings of Jesus, and of the Apostles and disciples.
The Religion of Catholicism began teaching things that were unbiblical like Mary as Mother of God, (not just the Mother of the physical Jesus), and that she was born sinless and co-Redemptrix with Christ. It began teaching prayer to the dead, including her.
It began the false teaching of Transubstantiation. And it began instituting Popes and priests who then began killing Christians who refused to abide by those false teachings.
Sadly, it has not yet repented of those same unbiblical teachings, and those like Clint, who believe in them, well you see how he is taught to view biblical Christians. With the same hatred as his Religion has taught him.
The heretical teachings were created by Catholicism, they are not biblical, and therefore not Christian.
That's just the plain truth.
Individuals may think they are following Christ, but they are following an Apostate Religion, and would do best to actually read the Words of Christ in the New Testament, and obey them as best as possible.
And that would mean they'd have to reject Catholicism, because no one can serve two masters.
Only One Mediator| 5.27.12 @ 10:44AM
OF THE UNGODLY AND FALSE CHURCH, WHICH IS THE OPPOSITE OF THE CHURCH OF GOD, AND THE ORIGIN, PROGRESS AND SUCCESSION OF THE SAME THROUGH ALL TIMES:
http://www.homecomers.org/mirror/martyrs007.htm
Only One Mediator| 5.27.12 @ 12:45PM
We are talking here, though, about New Testament religion, when we say, "first".
That being the followers of the New Covenant proclaimed by Christ, as He is the fulfillment of the Law and the Prophets of the Old Covenant.
The Old Covenant Religion being fulfilled in Christ's Body~ the Sacrifice that His Father, God begot Him to be, that of the Sacrificial Lamb of God~ thus fulfilling the need for Religion, and nailing the demands of the law to His Cross, has made us one with the Father through Him, the ONLY Mediator between God and Man.
No Pope is needed, no priest, and no Religion, but Christ only.
"And you, who were dead in trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, having canceled the bond which stood against us with its legal demands; this he set aside, nailing it to the Cross.
He disarmed the principalities and powers and made a public example of them, triumphing over them in Him." Col. 2:13-15.
Oldefarte| 5.26.12 @ 4:31PM
Dumbars, don't you ever get tired of excrementing out of your pie-hole with this repetitive garbage? The rest of us do!!!!!!!!
Occam's Tool| 5.28.12 @ 12:59PM
Was there a single original thought in that post?
My choice for VEEP would be Pawlenty. Nicely Conservative in a Blue State, Bland, Competent, already vetted. No Hurty. The idea is to make fewer mistakes than the Libtard/Paulbot opposition who will be voting for Obama, directly or indirectly, and answer ever jibe with a counterstrike. Keep Americans focused on the economy and win. Then we can put proper SCOTUS candidates in, cut taxes, and pund on scum appropriately without Nation Building.
Occam's Tool| 5.28.12 @ 1:00PM
"Pound."
TLP| 5.28.12 @ 9:09PM
Oops.
Al Adab| 5.25.12 @ 2:53PM
Everyone have a great weekend and remember the purpose of Memorial Day. We owe them everything.
Oldefarte| 5.25.12 @ 4:42PM
Ditto that!!!!!!!!
Trina Dobson| 5.25.12 @ 4:42PM
This article is so true if we do not encourage a free enterprise system and stop socialism this country will fall from being a leader to being a third world country. If people do not wake up and reinstate the founding priciple of this country and the constitution and get rid of these self interest politicians that do no more than steal. I pay taxes for police and fire protection not to support people who are to lazy to work. Biblical truth you do not work you do not eat.
This country has developed a system of producing babies so they can get the handout and depend on the government. People we are financing out own destruction with these leaders.
Pat| 5.25.12 @ 6:12PM
Hillyer is on the right track here but let’s not discount the rebuttal position. The Republican position on issues is predictable and unchanging – cut taxes, get the government out of our lives, strong national defense. And there’s nothing wrong with that except for the Democrats’ enviable skill in mocking the GOP Party line.
Americans aren’t Greeks but we could certainly be mistaken for them in a dim light and surrounded by heavy shadows. American exceptionalism convinces us we’re not remotely like those baklava loving, men dance with each other Greeks, but are we merely kidding ourselves? Before every election, the Democrats paint the Republicans into the usual ideological corner – just more of the same from the GOP; help the rich, declare war on the poor, exotic vacations paid for by defense contractors. In contrast, Democrats invariably discover new issues, new injustices which Americans supposedly want to see addressed.
Sure, it’s the same old Liberal nonsense, it’s a transparent scam foisted upon the witless, it shouldn’t work with the voters, but somehow it does. And not just with American voters, it works with Greeks, Spaniards, Italians, Frenchmen, Brits, etc.. Civil Rights evolved into Class Warfare politics, the Democrats got elected. Fiscal conservatism evolved into trillion dollar Stimulus Plans, the Democrats got elected. For the Democrats, the bottom line is “we got elected” and you don’t monkey around with a winning formula.
Madonna can re-invent herself yearly but the GOP ain’t no Madonna. After decades of consistent failure, Republicans still can’t understand why their message hasn’t captured the Hispanic vote, the Asian-American vote, even the black voters. Naïve is charming in a little girl with blonde curls, but rather pathetic when adopted by fully grown men and women. So, let’s not fool ourselves yet again - re-branding and re-packaging the old party line won’t work. What will work is anyone’s guess.
Like the Greeks, too many Americans reject austerity and are convinced confiscatory taxation of the rich is actually a workable solution. So, we must content ourselves with congressional gridlock as the best we can hope for come this election and throw another shrimp on the barbie in the spirit of embracing a harsh reality.
sweeterjan| 5.25.12 @ 10:50PM
I sought Kyl out on Tuesday, therefore, as a voice of conservative thoughtfulness who might have http://www.vendreshox.com/nike-shox-tl3-c-13.html a good sense of where things stand politically right now for cause and country. His outlook wasn't bearish, but it was decidedly sobering.
FeFe| 5.25.12 @ 11:27PM
Clear as mud.
POST American| 5.26.12 @ 2:49AM
---Kidstuff, DIS--info and sideshow
DIS---tractions.
--IF you want any one at all to continue
following your 'authorized' views
---you'll start delivering the beef.
'BAR--Rockefeller' H. Obama is
the son of the Globalist CIA linked
Ann Dunham ---object of the financial
attentions of 'mysterious benny factors'
----and, we must suppose, himself the
product of some kind of secret breeding
op.
As we've said ---we're betting a steak
dinner ----it's none other than the man
who got the Soviet EUGENICS op
up and going, the master RED China
sellout artist ---and the very 'godfather'
of the CFR ---and ROT-child 'go-fer'
supreme ------
---------------AVERELL HARRIMAN------------------
TLP| 5.26.12 @ 8:42AM
Indeed, P.A.
If "I spent my High School years in a Daze"? How did our boy get in to all of those Prestigious Ivy League Marxist Incubator Schools, and WHO PAID for it?
This is deeper than even you think it is.
"And I saw the BEAST rise from the Sea. And he was given a MOUTH, to speak Haughty and Blasphemous words. And he was allowed to exercise authority for forty two Months." Revelation 13-5.
Look at his Entire Life's History. A Communist/Atheist Mother, and a Kenyan Marxist/Muslim Father.
Communist Grandparents. raised in the Muslim Schools, and Mosques of Indonesia, under the tutelage of his Muslim Step Father.
A youth spent immersed in the Ideologies of Hate, and Authoritarian Governance by use of Force. Everything one needs to know about him, locked away in a Vault, on an Island, in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
If this isn't THE OMEN?
I don't know what is.
And don't forget the SUPER MOON, we just experienced.
If that isn't a SIGN.........................................
TLP| 5.26.12 @ 8:49AM
And, the dead giveaway?
He is known by Multiple Names: Barack Hussein Obama. Barry Soetoro, and by the name, given him by HAMAS, who believe that their God of Blood, Murder, Death and Subjugation, has sent him here to Destroy the Jews, once and for all, and DELIVER Deliver Jerusalem back in to Muslim hands.
ABU HUSSAIN.
Son of the Father.
This is real, and it's happening right before our eyes.
Think: ROME, as the Walls were being breached by the Visigoths.
Oldefarte| 5.26.12 @ 10:52AM
"... How did our boy get in to all of those Prestigious Ivy League Marxist Incubator Schools, and WHO PAID for it?..." Ditto that, and more so, WHAT [in addition to WHO]??????
Only One Mediator Christ Jesus| 5.26.12 @ 12:06PM
Ultimately, in all in God's plan. He has a plan and it includes allowing the Anti-Christ to set up shop, do pretended miracles and wonders, as it is written in Revelation, and lead astray fools who reject Christ.
I don't know if Obama's the Anti-Christ, as the Bible says that "many anti-Christs have already gone out into the world in 1 Jn.
But biblically speaking, according to Prophecy in the Old Testament, the whole world is turning against Israel, among other things, and these are surely the times that Jesus spoke of in Mt. 24 as well.
But Scripture says that Christian women will "laugh at the time to come". Prov. 31.
I'm not sweating it, because I know in Whom I believe, but the Word of God tells us that those who reject Jesus will be crying for the rocks to fall on them when He appears, because of their guilt and shame for rejecting Him.
Every knee SHALL bow before the LORD Jesus Christ, the ONLY Mediator between God and Man.
He suffered and died for the Sin of the world out of His LOVE. Praise His Holy Name!
Oldefarte| 5.26.12 @ 4:48PM
Nah, he's just the offspring of a Kansas HO who has been programmed for his current position by enemies of this nation and facilitated by our STUPIDS on 11/4/08. Granting him anti-Christ status is far far too complementary!!!!!!
Only One Mediator| 5.27.12 @ 11:08AM
Well, so far we've seen that he's an enemy of the Cross of Christ, and if Israel. So He's got the 2 biggest strikes against him, and in line (agreement with ) Anti-Christ.
But then, plenty of immoral leaders have also been the same way. Many thought Hitler was the Anti-Christ, and he inded was anti-Christ, but not THEE Anti-Christ.
THEE Anti-Christ will come at a particular time, as unfolds in the plan for time that God made it to occur. And it's pretty much spelled out in the Bible, both Old and New Testaments.
One of those signs which indicates that the time is very near is that the whole world will turn against Israel. That would have to include the USA. And has it ever been this way? Have we as a country ever turned so against Israel as this admin. has?
Jesus also says that at the end, it will become like Sodom and Gomorrah again. And what do we see now? We see even that Sin being accepted and practiced even by so-called Christians. Even your own Emmett Tyrrell has "come around" to accepting it, or not being so strong against it. (Same thing). Not to mention the fact that there are hate laws against even real Christians for even speaking the truth about it.
I got banned form Weasel Zippers and ALL of my months worth of posts scrubbed for simply standing on God's Word about it!! I was accusing of "hating Homosexuals", which is a lie. I love them, that's why I tell them that that Sin will take them to Hell if they die in it.
But the point is, all the signs that Jesus said will happen, are happening. He said that weird weather, earthquakes becoming more frequent, all this is "but the beginning of the birth pangs". Mt. 24.
He told us to watch, because the time would be drawing near.
We shall see, because God is going to reveal who the Anti-Christ is. He told us He would be revealed, so we shall see, and I personally? I wouldn't at all surprised if it's Obama. It could be anyone who hates Christ, and His people.
Only One Mediator| 5.27.12 @ 11:09AM
* Typo~ should be "of" Israel, above, not "if".
Only One Mediator| 5.27.12 @ 11:13AM
* The hate laws aren't here yet against Preachers for saying it's Sin, but it is in, I'm pretty sure, Canada, and other countries as well.
How long before it comes here?
If we re-elect Obama, it's a possibility!
Only One Mediator Christ Jesus| 5.26.12 @ 12:11PM
Kid stuff, eh, Post American. Sounds to me like you're the one practicing the kid stuff. Too much Alex Jones in your coffee.
Grow up, face reality, and vote for the Republican nominee because it's the least you could do.
Will you? Or are you of the gang of stupid Libertarians who wish to inflict your punishment (Obama) on us for another reign of destruction, hmm?
Warrior | 5.26.12 @ 2:37PM
Margie:
Reagan understood that libertarianism had a place in the conservative movement. I hate it, but will have to hold my nose and vote for Romney. However, when choosing the lesser of two evils, you still end up with evil. Safe and healthy Memorial day to you and yours
Only One Mediator Christ Jesus| 5.26.12 @ 3:40PM
Warrior!
Hi! Yes, I understand that Reagan believed that, and I also understand what he meant by it, too. He was talking about small "l" libertarianism, but he went on in that same quotation (the one Clint always like to use), to say that that he didn't agree with Libertarian party type platforms. He said something to the effect of that in its extreme its anarchy.
So, I get that libertarianism has its place, but not as the party of Libertarianism, which, if Reagan could see it now, he'd still have nothing to do with it. He was a staunch defender of Israel as our ally, knowing the Will of God. He also was very pro military and no non-interventionist~ all things that party is not.
And I don't know if Romney is evil. I'll save that definition for someone I truly think is, Obama.
And like you, I'd just about vote for Ron Paul before I'd vote for Obama, if he got the Republican nominee. The chances being that at least some conservatives might be in his admin.
There's NO hope of that with the reign of Obama & minions.
I'll vote for Romney too, I don't even really have to hold my nose though, just thinking about the alternative will just about make it a pleasant experience. And I will thank God the day Obama has to pack his miserable bags & get outta town.
May God bless you and yours as well.
Clint| 5.26.12 @ 11:32AM
" Rush Limbaugh: Romney Is Not A Conservative
The reason is simple: Romney is not a conservative. He's not, folks. You can argue with me all day long on that, but he isn't. "
We Are Being Set Up By The RINO-CINO Flunkie Stooges For The Ruling Elites' Frontman Mittens Romney.
These Are The RINO-CINO Flunkie Stooges Who Gave Us The Serial Traitor To Conservatism, John McCain Of McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy,McCain-Lieberman,Gang Of 14, Opposing Bush Tax Cuts Of 2001 & 2003,TARP.
Now They Are Trying To Give Us RomneyCare,TARP, Cynical Flip-Flops On Abortion, Gays, Refuses to Sign Pro-Life Pledge, Illegal Immigrants, "Little Chain Saw Al" At Bain, Crony Capitalism Campaign Money Trail.....
Only One Mediator Christ Jesus| 5.26.12 @ 11:57AM
No kidding, Romney's not a conservative. But Rush will vote for him, and so will anyone that cares about this country.
So take the man that you enjoy quoting in order to defend your anti conservative hatred of this country, and do as he will DO.
But you won't because you're an imbecile.
Oldefarte| 5.26.12 @ 4:50PM
The Media Matters' CHARLIE MC CARTHY chatters once more!!!!!!!!!!
Only One Mediator| 5.27.12 @ 10:49AM
Oldefarte,
Can't you just picture Clint at the head of a firing squad executing all the "smear bund traitor Israel -firster RINO-CINO bastards to conservatism"?
Seig Hiel!
chuck| 5.27.12 @ 12:35PM
Actually I picture Jackass giving the order, and Clint pulling the trigger.
Only One Mediator| 5.27.12 @ 1:12PM
The difference between Religious Boss Tweeds (Pope worshippers like Clint & Jack), and real Christians?
The Religious Boss Tweeds will Murder you if you don't get in line with their Religion~ or wish they could.
Real Christians preach HIS Gospel, and let the chips fall where they may.
And they don't hate Israel. The Boss Tweeds are taught that their "church" has "replaced" Israel.
It's called Supersessionism, a false gospel.
Jesus didn't come to replace Israel, He IS Israel. The Israel of God. And He has not rejected His people.
"I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin.
God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the scripture says of Eli'jah, how he pleads with God against Israel?
"Lord, they have killed thy prophets, they have demolished thy altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life."
But what is God's reply to him? "I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Ba'al."
So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace.
But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace." Rom. 11:1-6.
I suggest to all the Pope worshippers that they actually READ the Words of God and believe them, instead of what they are taught.
Oldefarte| 5.26.12 @ 4:51PM
Quin, Great article on Pritchard Prep in the mag, also!!!!!!!
Only One Mediator| 5.27.12 @ 1:00PM
Insanity is: Those who stayed home and refused to vote for McCain/Palin (and with with Sarah on the team, they still refused!) and gave us Obama the first time, are fully set to do the same evil.
Sorry, I'm calling it evil, yes indeed I am.
It's also the definition of that old saying these same people love to quote:
" All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke.
Yep.
Anybody (Republican) but Obama 2012!
Pete| 5.27.12 @ 2:11PM
The problem was the nomination of McCain. Don't blame those who didn't vote for him. McCain ran a shoddy campaign and refuse to vet Obama. As the campaign wore on he looked more an more like a stodgy old white man, no longer relevant. Then the next year, he want after his conservative opponent with both guns blazing. Its quite obvious that he cared more about being a Senator than a President.
Only One Mediator| 5.28.12 @ 10:30AM
Well Pete, can't any of us always find at least one thing wrong with any nominee? I mean just as a human being there is always something one doesn't like.
You describe him as an stodgy old man, but what does that have to do with anything? Are you seriously going to try and say that he and Sarah wouldn't have been the better choice?
I guess you are!
This is what I can't get.
Sarah said once during the campaign that when we vote, we're voting for a party's platform, not so much an individual. It's just common sense.
How is the Republican party's platform and principles worse than the Socialist Democrat party's?
There is NO comparison.
The party of Life OR the party of Death. And if you don't vote for the party of Life, you're voting for the party of Death.
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
Pete| 5.27.12 @ 2:08PM
Yes, on the concept of "fairness". Is it fair for a hard working producer to have to pay for those who hardly work and produce nothing. As a society we should be promoting a work ethic, because that is what produces "fairness".
Timely Renewed | 5.28.12 @ 12:16PM
One way to crystallize the moral argument for liberty is to relate it to the Constitution by pointing out the explicitly limited powers and functions it allows for the federal government. The moral argument could then be given a practical outlet by advocating a reform of the amendment process so that we could amend the Constitution to restate and re-affirm those original constitutional limits on federal power. See http://www.timelyrenewed.com
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