The lurking reality of absurd borders and impossible
ethno-sectarian configurations — and the fun has just started.
The war in Libya is over but its aftershocks keep shaking the
region. A rebel Tuareg army swept across northern Mali, taking over
the famous city of Timbuktu. Tuareg rebellions have long been a
recurring phenomenon in Mali and Niger, but this time it was
different. Ever since the regime of Gaddafi was overthrown, the
governments of Mali and Niger were sounding alarm bells over the
influx of heavily armed Tuareg fighters who used to serve in the
army of the late dictator. Hundreds of these fighters, and the
skills and the weaponry they have brought from Libya, have created
a new and seemingly unstoppable type of Tuareg rebel army that has
finally achieved what eluded the previous rebellions. Within a few
weeks the rebels routed the minuscule Malian army and effectively
partitioned the country in two. The Malian government has meanwhile
collapsed altogether.
On 6 April, the veteran Tuareg national movement — National
Movement for the Liberation of Azawad (MNLA) — declared a new
independent state in Gao, the biggest of the three towns in the
North. It was not very surprising that the MNLA’s declaration of
independence immediately hit a wall. The State Department, the EU,
the African Union, Mali’s neighbors and its government, all flatly
rejected this idea out of hand. The surprising part was that the
declaration was rejected from within the rebel ranks as well. For
decades uprisings by Tuareg nationalists have been a major headache
for local governments and their outside sponsors. Now a previously
unknown rebel faction, which calls itself Ansar ed Dine, said it
had no interest in independence whatsoever and its goal was instead
to impose the Islamic law on the entire country of Mali
2006. Tuaregs having fun in Timbuktu.
It’s a story familiar in the Middle East and North Africa — if
it’s not nationalists, then it’s Islamists. Nature abhors a vacuum.
Where the former fail, the latter often step in. The capital of the
de facto independent Iraqi Kurdistan has been transformed from a
neglected backyard of Iraq into a sea of construction cranes.
American flags are posted proudly on dashboards. Not one single
American soldier had died here. But in South Yemen it’s no longer
the defeated nationalists who are fighting battles against the
northern army, but instead Islamic fundamentalists are imposing
Sharia law on towns and areas under their control.
Nevertheless, the emergence of Tuareg fundamentalists has amazed
some observers. The Tuaregs are known as occasional providers of
logistic services to radical Islamic groups, but until now the
nomads were not usually known as naturally born fundamentalists. As
a matter of fact, MNLA has repeatedly offered its services in
fighting Al Qaeda in the strategically important Sahara region to
the West and the international community in exchange for
recognition of Tuareg independence.
The tradition of men covering their faces certainly gives the
Tuareg men a rather sinister look.
In fact, in Roman times, their ancestors were called the
Garamantes, and controlled lucrative caravan routes across the
Sahara from Mali. They repeatedly clashed with the Romans on
various occasions and the last proconsul to earn a
triumphus — Lucius Cornelius Balbus — won this
distinguished honor from Augustus in 19 BC for having defeated the
Garamantes in a series of skirmishes in modern-day Fezzan. Yet,
even though the poet Virgil prophesied the subjugation of these
tribesmen in his renowned epic the Aeneid, the Garamantes
always remained independent of Roman rule in the province of
Africa.
Modern day Tuaregs do have a reputation for smuggling, raiding
and providing ruthless mercenaries to regimes across the region,
including the one of Muammar Gaddafi. But Tuaregs also have a less
known soft side of the bon vivants of the Sahara desert, fans of
booze, partying and a peculiar music style known as Tuareg rock or
Tuareg blues. Other aspects of the Tuareg culture also make them
unlikely converts to the Islamist cause. The Tuaregs are largely
matrilineal. Though they are not matriarchal, traditionally, in the
Tuareg society women were accorded higher social status compared to
Arabs and other Berber peoples. Not a bunch of folks one would
normally expect to submit themselves readily to the bleak and dry
routine of a Sharia state.
The leader of the new faction himself is a perfect example of
this dramatic change. A renowned rebel, who single-handedly
kick-started a previous Tuareg uprising, as late as 2008, Iyad ag
Ghali still appears in Wikileaks
sharing intelligence about Al Qaeda with U.S. diplomats. Ag Ghali’s
transformation into an Islamic fundamentalist is even more
surprising given the existence of personal accounts that indicate
that not so long ago the man was still a big fan of smoking,
drinking and partying. In this Ag Ghali was certainly not unlike
many other Tuaregs of the region.
2009. The desert comes to party in
Europe. Tinariwen performing live in Rubigen,
Switzerland.
The Tuareg uprising in Mali has received limited media coverage
and was largely overshadowed by the ongoing battles of the Arab
Spring. Syria, in particular, grabbed the attention of
international audiences and produced an unholy amount of analyses
and plain speculations. But behind the two uprisings in Mali and
Syria, happening in different parts of the region and at the first
glance unrelated to each other, is lurking the same reality of
absurd borders and impossible ethno-sectarian configurations. It’s
a reality that hails back to decisions made by the former colonial
ruler of these lands many years ago.
In 1959 on the eve of Mali’s independence a group of Tuareg
tribal chiefs wrote a letter to French President Charles de
Gaulle:
Oskar Svadkovsky is a computer networking professional based in Tel Aviv, and the owner of the Happy Arab News Service blog. He graduated in Indian and Chinese Studies at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.
You left out the most spectacular colonial failure of that era,
the establishment of Israel in the middle of the Arab world, where
they have no right to be, and where they are oppressing, killing
and stealing from the original inhabitants, the Palistinians, to
this very day. Now Israel does exist with huge numbers of people
under it's control that it basically treats as vermin to be
expelled or exterminated. It could of had peace for decades, but
refuses to get behind it's 67 borders, as demanded by international
law.
Israel is an artificial, failed state that is only in existence
because the USA protects it with hundreds of billions of hard
earned American tax money and the blood and sweat of American
troops in hundreds of bases around the Middle East. This situation
can not go on forever. The USA is bankrupt. Its troops are sick of
2 decades of war for no sane reason. Either Israel learns how to
live in the neighborhood it stole or it should go out of
business.
A just peace is the answer. Jews have survived for 3000 years,
by being mostly peaceful and useful neeighbors. I don't think that
the walled, racist ghetto, being built is either a good idea or a
workable solution.
Oh yeah, just give the Arabs whatever they want and they'll like
us and leave us alone, right? Accommodate them in every way
possible, and all the war and strife in the Middle East and
elsewhere will all just go away, right Jack?
The Tuareg rebels will no longer rebel, the South Sudanese and
North Sudanese will kiss and make up, Assad will stop massacreing
his own people, everything will be love and kisses in the Muslim
world if we just get rid of Israel.
And hey, if a few million innocent people die in the process, so
what? They're Jews right? So who cares?
Jack, you may share the Islamic vision that the lives of Jews
are of no value, but here's a clue for you - that same Islamic
vision holds that YOUR life is of no value either. The destruction
of Israel would not end the violence in the Middle East, it would
make it worse. It would embolden the Islamists as they would view
the destruction of Israel as a Holy Vindication of their Jihad, as
a promise from Allah that the world is now theirs for the taking,
and would spark violence, not only in the Middle East, but around
the world on a scale not seen since WWII.
You need to remember this - Israel, the Jews, they are NOT the
enemy. Islam has been at war with civilization since the day of its
founding, and it will be at war with civilization till the day of
its destruction - or ours.
To start, if you read history the Jews were there first. Second,
in terms of both human rights AND material gain, Israeli Muslims
are far better off than their Palestinian counterparts. Third if
you read the Old Testament in a historical context, modern Israel
is located in almost the same location as ancient Judea was. To
summarize, modern Israelis have as much right to their land as
modern Palestinians do and have done a much better job of holding
and developing their piece of the Middle East.
All a pack of lies. Israel is an apartheid state. Israel treats
it's Arab citizens worse then we used to treat our black citizens.
In fact here are race riots right now where Jewish Israeli's are
beating up black Africans. Go read the Israeli Press. It treats the
Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza, like vermin to be expelled or
exterminated.
The Book of Leviticus tells Jews to love your neighbors as
yourselves. It also tells Jews to treat the aliens among you as you
do yourself. In the book of Exodus God tells the Jews to treat the
aliens and strangers among you well for you were once aliens and
strangers in the land of Egypt.
God gave the 10 Comandments first to the Jews. Who gave it to
the rest of the world. You zionists seem to have forgoten a few of
them.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not bare false witness.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors property.
Return to God. Return to the Commandments. Return to the Torah.
Shalom.
Since the West Bank and Gaza are not part of Israel but instead
are home to aggressive factions, those are NOT race riots. That is
the Israeli police and SDFs smacking down the idiots that keep
launching rockets into their territory. They were kicked out by the
Jordanians during WWII because they were TRYING to be nice and
peaceful citizens of the various countries. Instead they got the
same jealous rhetoric used on them that the Jews in Germany did.
JORDAN is the one that stole land from the Palestinians.
I am not talking about giving it back. I am talking about giving
half the population under Israeli control full civil, religious,
and economic rights. It would also include massive amouts of
reparations for all the murder, torture, and theft the Israeli's
have infleicted in the last 64 years. No group was more outspoken
for equal rights then the Jews of the USA and South Africa. It is
time to practice what you used to preach. Equal rights for all in
old Palistine. Integrate israael now. If it is good enough for
Alabama it is good enough for Israel.
I am talking about the beatings of African migrants in Tel Aviv,
this very day. It has even been condemned by old Netanyahu himself.
Go read the Israeli press. I am not talking about the racist abuse
of Arabs both Muslims and Christians which has been going on ever
since Israel's founding. That this digraceful entity has ever
recieved one penny of American tax money makes me want to vomit.
Even the Jewish journalist Bob Simon on 60 minuties had a recent
program on how Christians are abused in Israel.
I wonder why it is that the Arabic language refers to the Jews
as "al-Yahud", that is, people of Judea? I wonder why Mohammed,
writing in the 7th Century, placed Jesus ( a Jew) in Judea some 700
years earlier? I wonder why Hebrew lettering on archeological
relics throughout Israel antedate the earliest Arabic relics by
over a thousand years?
There's only one possible explanation, and I wish Jack would
step up and lay it out. Let me prod him a little: Area 51...time
machine...George W. Bush...mass migration from pre-Columbian
Brooklyn... it all makes sense when you realize the extent of the
neoquantumcon conspiracy in 4 dimensions, along with those
supra-blue gravitational fields.
It is all about colonial borders sonny. The writer above misses
the biggest colonial blunder of them all. Perhaps because he is an
Israeli. Anyhow all the borders in Africa and the Middle East were
drawn by the colonial masters and have little rime or reason.
Actually, drawing the borders in the Middle East the way they
were drawn makes a lot of sense from the standpoint of the
Europeans who did the drawing. For the previous thousand years,
from time to time, they had had to fend off Muslim invaders.
Everytime the Islamic worlds gains a sufficient level of
organization, it takes its permanent state of warfare on the road.
By drawing the borders the way they did, they insured the Muslims
would be directing their fiercest Jihaddist tendencies onto
themselves instead of directing them toward the civilized
world.
Frankly, I think that was pretty smart - not 100 percent
effective as it turned out - but pretty smart. The followers of
Islam are going to engage in warfare on a perpetual besis. Better
for them to engage in it against their brethren than against the
rest of the world.
No Sonny, its about staying on topic, something its seems is
beyond your capability. But then again Sonny, its all about you,
not respect for the author or the topic isn't it Sonny. Pathetic
fucking idiot.
As you can see in the picture at the top of the story, the
clothes on the two people dancing, look good on them. My wife and I
have the exact same outfits, and I swear, they just don't look the
same, when I have them on.
How is it that the Continent where, SUPPOSEDLY, Man's
Evolutionary Journey began, can't seem to get with the 19th
Century, let alone the 20th, or the 21st?
How is it that One Continent suffers from an Evolutionary DEAD
END.
I can almost understand how the Jungle Tribes along the Amazon,
can justify their Mesolithic existence. They live in a place of
Constant Climate, Lush Jungles, filled with Fruits and Nuts, and
Game, for Meat, as well as a Bounty of Fish, from the River.
Necessity is the Mother of, not just Invention, but of Evolution.
And these people, pretty much, have everything they need,
already.
AFRICA, on the other hand, has nothing that everybody needs,
unless they need Flies, and Malaria carrying Mosquitos, with your
No Clean Drinking Water, and No Food. You would think that, with
this being the WORLD CAPITOL of Necessity, there would be
Inventions all over the place. As mush Necessity as this Dump has,
you would think they'd have Teleportation Devices, and Food
Sequencers, to create solid food, out of the Basic Atoms and
Molecules of whatever it is, they wish to eat.
Instead, it is the HELL ON EARTH Capitol of The Planet. The
Original 1,000 Ways To Die show.
The National Pastime is Murder, Rape, and Genocide, when they're
not busy Dying from Disease, Malnutrion, or Dissintary. (Super
Diahria)
Africa is called the Cradle of Civilization.
How fitting, as well, that it clearly looks like it will be its
Coffin, as well.
The End of the world, seems Destined to get its Start, where it
all began, in the 1st place.
I can't decide if that's Shakespearian, Orwellian, a Greek
Tradgedy, or the final episode of Greatest Reality Show in the
Universe. (Like, when Daffy Duck blows himself up, to get applause
vs. Bugs Bunny)
I like that color green on the woman. Did you notice that her
turban is a little darker shade from her robe. Chartruse? Is that
the name of that particular green?
I'm a highly educated man, but colors are not my forte. Not my
forte. Look it up if you have to.
Ahhh, the author could be a Jew, thats what gets you isn't it?
Gotta give the Jew one of your anti-semitic Isreali lectures don't
you? Couldn't pass that up. Gets your nuts off don't it?
Yeah, he would see that would he not?
Its pathetic how this troll has to wedge in his daily diatribes no
matter how far off the subject it is. What it must be like to be
that captive to an obsession where everything has to filter through
it somehow.
We have to insist that they block the IP addresses of these
trolls.
No one minds dissenting opinion. But there is a duty to
membership and a forums' first fealty is to keep trolls off its'
comments section.
I am writing and including a list of the most obvious trolls,
who are nothing but.
We all need to let the editors here at Spectator know not only
how bad it looks to have those in the comment section, but also how
other sites do a better job controlling it and why it matters.
I used to recommend articles on this site with pride and would
highly recommend reading of the comments
We had many more contributors to the comments and people always
remarked how sophisticated and intelligent they were.
I don't recommend articles anymore.
Please include a list of the most offensive trolls when you
write. Include other sites where you enjoy the comments more if not
the articles and authors. Say why.
USS, I tried that once, but they don't care. Unfortunately I
don't think they even have the ability to block adresses as this
forum is ancient in design. I suggested to them to make it a
members only forum where you have to register. Never got a reply on
any of it. But I suppose if enough people make it an issue who
knows they might finally listen. Also agree with reccomending
anything on here to others, I don't do it anymore.
Best of luck to try.
In my humble (that's a silent h) opinion, the trolls add a dash
of spice to the dialog. They allow me the opportunity to express my
erudite knowledge on a whole host of subjects--from Smucker's Jam
(have you tried it?) to Hoover Dam (ever been there).
Ben Stein's been there, he and his wife vacationed there in
February and took along their dog.
I think I am an older, more esteemed member of the coterie of AS
commentators, USSAlabama, and if I say trolls spice up the blog, I
know what I'm talking about.
I read AS every day and check the comments about every
half-hour. No one is more devoted to AS that I (or is that me).
The usual zionist gestapo trys to surpress the truth and honest
dicussion. You will notice that all these people do is lie, name
call, and try to surpress the truth. All you guys want is Zionist
propaganda and sheep to herd around. It isn't working anymore. We
are taking our country back inch by inch.
Of course YOUR the self-described judge of truth, appointed by
yourself, proscribed by yourself, endorsed by yourself, self
important and self rightous all at the same time. That right there
is your problem troll this board isn't about YOU any more than its
about me, difference is I know that and don't live here. Don't
patronize yourself with the "we", there's just you and that other
brain damaged robo posting twit. Two homeless Paulbots whose hero
didn't save them from the Jews. Yeah your converts are legion here,
two! Your, oh I'm sorry, WE are an army of two. LOL
Sickening islamophobia worked into an article on the Tuareg
uprising. Pray do tell us how the yazidis etc.. Have managed to
survive Muslim rule for two 1.5 thousand years. The one eyed never
see the mountains of holocoasts that is demonstrably their legacy
decades upon decade stretching centuries if not millennia.
By definition, a phobia is an irrational fear or . There's
nothing irrational about fear of Islamic violence. Thus, there is
no such thing as islamaphobia.
Unlike many people in this country, I listen to what the
Jihaddis say and take them at their word. What they have planned
for everyone who is not like them is death.
You should be careful who you listen to. The 'jihadis' are a
small insignificant fragment who in their quest to use violence to
effect change are very modern and very irreligious. The Islamic
world is emerging very slowly from centuries of ongoing
colonisation. This process will take many decades and will not be
linear. The US can help by militerialy removing itself from the ME.
And stop supporting ethnic cleansing in historic Palestine. The US
should use its vast strength to bring harmony and not fan the
flames.
In other words, let the Muslims kill each other, they(the right
kind of Muslims) love killing Muslims who aren't the correct kinds.
They have been doing it for centuries and they are really good at
it. Saladin killed far more Muslims than he ever killed Christians.
They are doing it in Syria.
"The 'jihadis' are a small insignificant fragment who in their
quest to use violence to effect change are very modern and very
irreligious."
You mean that "small insignificant fragment" who engaged in wars
of conquest upon their neighbors from Persia, India to Anatolia to
Eastern Europe, and west across Africa and into Spain and southern
Italy? Wars of conquest which were waged on a continuous basis from
approximately 633 a.d. till approximately 1800 a.d.?
That the "small insgnificant fragment" you're talking about?
Or are you talking about the "small insignicant fragment" who
are murdering significant numbers of Christians from Nigeria to
Ethiopia today?
"The Islamic world is emerging very slowly from centuries of
ongoing colonisation."
One hundred years ago the Ottoman Empire was in place. The
Sultanate of Egypt controlled another significant chunk. It
involved itself in European wars on the losing side and that had
its effects. It is amazing to behold the ignorance of Islamic
apologists. They paint themselves as victims when they are the
victimizers. Their history is one of murder and mayhem. That is
what they do today but it a more restricted way than they like
apparently. It is extremely unlucky to have them as neighbors.
Western empires were of course built on a bed of roses: in a
parallel universe, The ones who are colonised are the victimisers
and the one who invade are victims: very Zionist of you. Black
becomes white in the hymn sheet of neoconservativism.
So, what was it called when Muslims were - as I pointed out in
my post above which lacked the guts to respond to - engaging in
wars of conquest upon their neighbors from Persia, India to
Anatolia to Eastern Europe, and west across Africa and into Spain
and southern Italy? Wars of conquest which were waged on a
continuous basis from approximately 633 a.d. till approximately
1800 a.d.?
Who was the colonized then? Who were the victimizers?
How dare the Bedouins of 6th century Arabia have an empire. In
the holy book of colonising it clearly states that those on the
bottom wrung of the ladder shall not be empiring. Unfortunately the
Bedu couldn't read: bad news for the Romans, persians.
I got news for you pal, historically the Bedu were never bad
news for the Romans or the Persians and unlike the Romans and the
Persians didn't leave anything behind other than camel shit.
Look in the mirror, John, the eyes staring back at you are
exactly like the eyes you claim to despise.
It is rather hypocritical for those who have spent their ENTIRE
HISTORY attempting to conquer and subjugate all those around them
to claim to be victimized by colonizers.
We have our history and you have yours. I like ours better.
Basic human rights are universal. Now modern Islam is a place where
women that have been raped can be tried, convicted and executed if
they don't have the proper number of witnesses. I admit that our
universities are going a little backwards with respect to free
speech but I am optimistic that they will eventually turn
themselves around. Tours my friend.
Believe it or not all societies evolve: statis is not part of
the human condition.. The Arab spring is another twist in the ME
narrative. I'm an optimist and hope this it will lead to a better
place: there of course will be winners and losers. Those who want
compliant zombie states are probably on a downward spiral. But this
needn't be a zero sum game.
I have seen enough of the Arab Spring to see where it is going.
The mob burns a Coptic church while the police watch. Winners
(Islamo-Fascists) and losers (the civilized) is what the Arab
Spring offers. Tours my friend.
Agreed. I recently came across the term 'Islamonausea' (at
American Thinker I believe). It is much more accurate. I'm sick of
the muzzies and their death cult, sick of their demands for special
treatment, and sick to death of their apologists.
How's this for an innocuous comment, a mild suggestion. Would be
nice somehow if articles like these came with maps. Gao I see on a
Google map, though it hardly looks like it's in the "North."
Tmbuktu -- and "modern Fezzan" -- can't find them.
Fezzan is southwest Libya, where many of the Tuareg have long
resided but have since the end of the civil war been subject to
reprisal attacks because they have often been associated with
support for Qadhdhafi.
I wonder how it happened that it was Europeans arriving from
great distances in ships to the shores of Africa and America,
rather than Africans and Indians arriving from great distances in
their ships to the shores of Europe.
I suppose it was because the Africans and Indians were too busy
co-exisitng in four-part harmony with sustainable fair trade carbon
neutral vegan organic collaborationists. And some fish, too,
occasionally. Doesn't leave much time for inventing explotative,
ruthless, racist imperialist things like the wheel, stellar
navigation, and so forth.
I wish writers would stop using the term "fundamentalist" to
describe these people. They are Islamists, not fundamentalists. The
latter term is used (sometimes pejoratively) to describe Christians
who believe in fundamentals of the Christian faith.
It reminds me of those media liberals who used to describe the
Stalinist opponents of Yeltsin as "conservatives."
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Jack in Wi.| 5.24.12 @ 6:48AM
You left out the most spectacular colonial failure of that era, the establishment of Israel in the middle of the Arab world, where they have no right to be, and where they are oppressing, killing and stealing from the original inhabitants, the Palistinians, to this very day. Now Israel does exist with huge numbers of people under it's control that it basically treats as vermin to be expelled or exterminated. It could of had peace for decades, but refuses to get behind it's 67 borders, as demanded by international law.
Israel is an artificial, failed state that is only in existence because the USA protects it with hundreds of billions of hard earned American tax money and the blood and sweat of American troops in hundreds of bases around the Middle East. This situation can not go on forever. The USA is bankrupt. Its troops are sick of 2 decades of war for no sane reason. Either Israel learns how to live in the neighborhood it stole or it should go out of business.
A just peace is the answer. Jews have survived for 3000 years, by being mostly peaceful and useful neeighbors. I don't think that the walled, racist ghetto, being built is either a good idea or a workable solution.
The Big E| 5.24.12 @ 9:01AM
Oh yeah, just give the Arabs whatever they want and they'll like us and leave us alone, right? Accommodate them in every way possible, and all the war and strife in the Middle East and elsewhere will all just go away, right Jack?
The Tuareg rebels will no longer rebel, the South Sudanese and North Sudanese will kiss and make up, Assad will stop massacreing his own people, everything will be love and kisses in the Muslim world if we just get rid of Israel.
And hey, if a few million innocent people die in the process, so what? They're Jews right? So who cares?
Jack, you may share the Islamic vision that the lives of Jews are of no value, but here's a clue for you - that same Islamic vision holds that YOUR life is of no value either. The destruction of Israel would not end the violence in the Middle East, it would make it worse. It would embolden the Islamists as they would view the destruction of Israel as a Holy Vindication of their Jihad, as a promise from Allah that the world is now theirs for the taking, and would spark violence, not only in the Middle East, but around the world on a scale not seen since WWII.
You need to remember this - Israel, the Jews, they are NOT the enemy. Islam has been at war with civilization since the day of its founding, and it will be at war with civilization till the day of its destruction - or ours.
I find it sad that you prefer the latter.
Joe Callan| 5.24.12 @ 11:25AM
To start, if you read history the Jews were there first. Second, in terms of both human rights AND material gain, Israeli Muslims are far better off than their Palestinian counterparts. Third if you read the Old Testament in a historical context, modern Israel is located in almost the same location as ancient Judea was. To summarize, modern Israelis have as much right to their land as modern Palestinians do and have done a much better job of holding and developing their piece of the Middle East.
Jack in Wi.| 5.24.12 @ 1:51PM
All a pack of lies. Israel is an apartheid state. Israel treats it's Arab citizens worse then we used to treat our black citizens. In fact here are race riots right now where Jewish Israeli's are beating up black Africans. Go read the Israeli Press. It treats the Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza, like vermin to be expelled or exterminated.
The Book of Leviticus tells Jews to love your neighbors as yourselves. It also tells Jews to treat the aliens among you as you do yourself. In the book of Exodus God tells the Jews to treat the aliens and strangers among you well for you were once aliens and strangers in the land of Egypt.
God gave the 10 Comandments first to the Jews. Who gave it to the rest of the world. You zionists seem to have forgoten a few of them.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not bare false witness.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors property.
Return to God. Return to the Commandments. Return to the Torah. Shalom.
Vern Crisler| 5.24.12 @ 3:19PM
After WW1, a lot of countries were "artificial."
TrueBlue | 5.24.12 @ 5:19PM
Since the West Bank and Gaza are not part of Israel but instead are home to aggressive factions, those are NOT race riots. That is the Israeli police and SDFs smacking down the idiots that keep launching rockets into their territory. They were kicked out by the Jordanians during WWII because they were TRYING to be nice and peaceful citizens of the various countries. Instead they got the same jealous rhetoric used on them that the Jews in Germany did. JORDAN is the one that stole land from the Palestinians.
The Road Warrior| 5.24.12 @ 5:47PM
Aw heck, let's give South Dakota back to the Sioux. Then eventually give New York back to the Mohawks.
We can play this game forever...
Jack in Wi.| 5.24.12 @ 8:53PM
I am not talking about giving it back. I am talking about giving half the population under Israeli control full civil, religious, and economic rights. It would also include massive amouts of reparations for all the murder, torture, and theft the Israeli's have infleicted in the last 64 years. No group was more outspoken for equal rights then the Jews of the USA and South Africa. It is time to practice what you used to preach. Equal rights for all in old Palistine. Integrate israael now. If it is good enough for Alabama it is good enough for Israel.
Skippy| 5.25.12 @ 4:29PM
" It treats the Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza, like vermin to be expelled or exterminated."
That's because they are.
Jack in Wi.| 5.24.12 @ 8:47PM
I am talking about the beatings of African migrants in Tel Aviv, this very day. It has even been condemned by old Netanyahu himself. Go read the Israeli press. I am not talking about the racist abuse of Arabs both Muslims and Christians which has been going on ever since Israel's founding. That this digraceful entity has ever recieved one penny of American tax money makes me want to vomit. Even the Jewish journalist Bob Simon on 60 minuties had a recent program on how Christians are abused in Israel.
Paul Kotik| 5.24.12 @ 2:44PM
I wonder why it is that the Arabic language refers to the Jews as "al-Yahud", that is, people of Judea? I wonder why Mohammed, writing in the 7th Century, placed Jesus ( a Jew) in Judea some 700 years earlier? I wonder why Hebrew lettering on archeological relics throughout Israel antedate the earliest Arabic relics by over a thousand years?
There's only one possible explanation, and I wish Jack would step up and lay it out. Let me prod him a little: Area 51...time machine...George W. Bush...mass migration from pre-Columbian Brooklyn... it all makes sense when you realize the extent of the neoquantumcon conspiracy in 4 dimensions, along with those supra-blue gravitational fields.
Avner Herzog| 5.24.12 @ 4:15PM
Tistom et a-pe
Alan| 5.24.12 @ 7:07AM
Had to turn a story that had nothing to do with Isreal into another jew hating rant didn't you Asshole. what was the key word this time? Desert?
Jack in Wi.| 5.24.12 @ 7:19AM
It is all about colonial borders sonny. The writer above misses the biggest colonial blunder of them all. Perhaps because he is an Israeli. Anyhow all the borders in Africa and the Middle East were drawn by the colonial masters and have little rime or reason.
dark man| 5.24.12 @ 8:49AM
Jooooo's are looking for you Jack... be afraid, be VERY afraid
The Big E| 5.24.12 @ 9:07AM
Actually, drawing the borders in the Middle East the way they were drawn makes a lot of sense from the standpoint of the Europeans who did the drawing. For the previous thousand years, from time to time, they had had to fend off Muslim invaders. Everytime the Islamic worlds gains a sufficient level of organization, it takes its permanent state of warfare on the road. By drawing the borders the way they did, they insured the Muslims would be directing their fiercest Jihaddist tendencies onto themselves instead of directing them toward the civilized world.
Frankly, I think that was pretty smart - not 100 percent effective as it turned out - but pretty smart. The followers of Islam are going to engage in warfare on a perpetual besis. Better for them to engage in it against their brethren than against the rest of the world.
Alan| 5.24.12 @ 8:32AM
No Sonny, its about staying on topic, something its seems is beyond your capability. But then again Sonny, its all about you, not respect for the author or the topic isn't it Sonny. Pathetic fucking idiot.
TLP| 5.24.12 @ 9:41AM
As you can see in the picture at the top of the story, the clothes on the two people dancing, look good on them. My wife and I have the exact same outfits, and I swear, they just don't look the same, when I have them on.
How is it that the Continent where, SUPPOSEDLY, Man's Evolutionary Journey began, can't seem to get with the 19th Century, let alone the 20th, or the 21st?
How is it that One Continent suffers from an Evolutionary DEAD END.
I can almost understand how the Jungle Tribes along the Amazon, can justify their Mesolithic existence. They live in a place of Constant Climate, Lush Jungles, filled with Fruits and Nuts, and Game, for Meat, as well as a Bounty of Fish, from the River. Necessity is the Mother of, not just Invention, but of Evolution. And these people, pretty much, have everything they need, already.
AFRICA, on the other hand, has nothing that everybody needs, unless they need Flies, and Malaria carrying Mosquitos, with your No Clean Drinking Water, and No Food. You would think that, with this being the WORLD CAPITOL of Necessity, there would be Inventions all over the place. As mush Necessity as this Dump has, you would think they'd have Teleportation Devices, and Food Sequencers, to create solid food, out of the Basic Atoms and Molecules of whatever it is, they wish to eat.
Instead, it is the HELL ON EARTH Capitol of The Planet. The Original 1,000 Ways To Die show.
The National Pastime is Murder, Rape, and Genocide, when they're not busy Dying from Disease, Malnutrion, or Dissintary. (Super Diahria)
Africa is called the Cradle of Civilization.
How fitting, as well, that it clearly looks like it will be its Coffin, as well.
The End of the world, seems Destined to get its Start, where it all began, in the 1st place.
I can't decide if that's Shakespearian, Orwellian, a Greek Tradgedy, or the final episode of Greatest Reality Show in the Universe. (Like, when Daffy Duck blows himself up, to get applause vs. Bugs Bunny)
Whatever.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 5.24.12 @ 12:12PM
I like that color green on the woman. Did you notice that her turban is a little darker shade from her robe. Chartruse? Is that the name of that particular green?
I'm a highly educated man, but colors are not my forte. Not my forte. Look it up if you have to.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 5.24.12 @ 6:57PM
Once again, the cheap imitation of Albert Constantine Jr. reveals himself.
My advice is that you get your spell check function working a little better.
THKrupp| 5.24.12 @ 2:48PM
Theres a pretty good book called Guns Germs and Steel which offers a decent possible explanation.
Alan| 5.24.12 @ 8:34AM
Ahhh, the author could be a Jew, thats what gets you isn't it? Gotta give the Jew one of your anti-semitic Isreali lectures don't you? Couldn't pass that up. Gets your nuts off don't it?
TLP| 5.24.12 @ 9:07AM
Careful Alan. One "l" in Alan, is a dead giveaway.
He's on to you.
BOO!
Alan| 5.24.12 @ 10:29AM
Yeah, he would see that would he not?
Its pathetic how this troll has to wedge in his daily diatribes no matter how far off the subject it is. What it must be like to be that captive to an obsession where everything has to filter through it somehow.
USSAlabama| 5.24.12 @ 11:26AM
Please send a letter to the editor at editor@spectator.com
We have to insist that they block the IP addresses of these trolls.
No one minds dissenting opinion. But there is a duty to membership and a forums' first fealty is to keep trolls off its' comments section.
I am writing and including a list of the most obvious trolls, who are nothing but.
We all need to let the editors here at Spectator know not only how bad it looks to have those in the comment section, but also how other sites do a better job controlling it and why it matters.
I used to recommend articles on this site with pride and would highly recommend reading of the comments
We had many more contributors to the comments and people always remarked how sophisticated and intelligent they were.
I don't recommend articles anymore.
Please include a list of the most offensive trolls when you write. Include other sites where you enjoy the comments more if not the articles and authors. Say why.
Write to ... editor@spectator.com
Every contributor to comments should do this as a responsibility to each other. Today.
Alan| 5.24.12 @ 11:34AM
USS, I tried that once, but they don't care. Unfortunately I don't think they even have the ability to block adresses as this forum is ancient in design. I suggested to them to make it a members only forum where you have to register. Never got a reply on any of it. But I suppose if enough people make it an issue who knows they might finally listen. Also agree with reccomending anything on here to others, I don't do it anymore.
Best of luck to try.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 5.24.12 @ 11:42AM
In my humble (that's a silent h) opinion, the trolls add a dash of spice to the dialog. They allow me the opportunity to express my erudite knowledge on a whole host of subjects--from Smucker's Jam (have you tried it?) to Hoover Dam (ever been there).
Ben Stein's been there, he and his wife vacationed there in February and took along their dog.
Rage rage against the dying of the Right.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 5.24.12 @ 11:44AM
And remember, boys, right rhymes with Tight.
(you know what I mean)
Ernestine| 5.24.12 @ 12:19PM
I do not appreciate your vulgarity, Mr. Smarty Pants.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 5.24.12 @ 7:00PM
This is another double shot of the poor imitation. Keep working on your Albert Constantine Jr., junior, and you might measure up one day.
USSAlabama| 5.24.12 @ 11:52AM
Alan,
That's why we need to do it now - all of us.
They CAN block IP's although they have been
hesitant to do it, the time is NOW.
We must insist, and Albert - trolls do not add 'spice'.
That's what dissenting opinion is for.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 5.24.12 @ 12:17PM
I think I am an older, more esteemed member of the coterie of AS commentators, USSAlabama, and if I say trolls spice up the blog, I know what I'm talking about.
I read AS every day and check the comments about every half-hour. No one is more devoted to AS that I (or is that me).
No offense intended.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 5.24.12 @ 12:20PM
I meant than rather than that. I always proof my posts, but USSAL irked me so, and my blood pressure is up.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 5.24.12 @ 7:04PM
The fake posts keep rolling in. Keep working on it, you might master it yet.
USSAlabama:
The e-mail address is editor@spectator.org. It is not a .com address.
Jack in Wi.| 5.24.12 @ 1:36PM
The usual zionist gestapo trys to surpress the truth and honest dicussion. You will notice that all these people do is lie, name call, and try to surpress the truth. All you guys want is Zionist propaganda and sheep to herd around. It isn't working anymore. We are taking our country back inch by inch.
Alan| 5.24.12 @ 2:12PM
Of course YOUR the self-described judge of truth, appointed by yourself, proscribed by yourself, endorsed by yourself, self important and self rightous all at the same time. That right there is your problem troll this board isn't about YOU any more than its about me, difference is I know that and don't live here. Don't patronize yourself with the "we", there's just you and that other brain damaged robo posting twit. Two homeless Paulbots whose hero didn't save them from the Jews. Yeah your converts are legion here, two! Your, oh I'm sorry, WE are an army of two. LOL
Vern Crisler| 5.24.12 @ 3:29PM
I don't want to see censorship either.
John786| 5.24.12 @ 9:15AM
Sickening islamophobia worked into an article on the Tuareg uprising. Pray do tell us how the yazidis etc.. Have managed to survive Muslim rule for two 1.5 thousand years. The one eyed never see the mountains of holocoasts that is demonstrably their legacy decades upon decade stretching centuries if not millennia.
The Big E| 5.24.12 @ 9:38AM
By definition, a phobia is an irrational fear or . There's nothing irrational about fear of Islamic violence. Thus, there is no such thing as islamaphobia.
Unlike many people in this country, I listen to what the Jihaddis say and take them at their word. What they have planned for everyone who is not like them is death.
There's nothing phobic about it.
John786| 5.24.12 @ 10:51AM
You should be careful who you listen to. The 'jihadis' are a small insignificant fragment who in their quest to use violence to effect change are very modern and very irreligious. The Islamic world is emerging very slowly from centuries of ongoing colonisation. This process will take many decades and will not be linear. The US can help by militerialy removing itself from the ME. And stop supporting ethnic cleansing in historic Palestine. The US should use its vast strength to bring harmony and not fan the flames.
Alan| 5.24.12 @ 11:10AM
In other words, let the Muslims kill each other, they(the right kind of Muslims) love killing Muslims who aren't the correct kinds. They have been doing it for centuries and they are really good at it. Saladin killed far more Muslims than he ever killed Christians. They are doing it in Syria.
The Big E| 5.24.12 @ 11:43AM
"The 'jihadis' are a small insignificant fragment who in their quest to use violence to effect change are very modern and very irreligious."
You mean that "small insignificant fragment" who engaged in wars of conquest upon their neighbors from Persia, India to Anatolia to Eastern Europe, and west across Africa and into Spain and southern Italy? Wars of conquest which were waged on a continuous basis from approximately 633 a.d. till approximately 1800 a.d.?
That the "small insgnificant fragment" you're talking about?
Or are you talking about the "small insignicant fragment" who are murdering significant numbers of Christians from Nigeria to Ethiopia today?
Richard Ryan| 5.24.12 @ 12:36PM
Total BS. The so-called "radical Muslims" or "Islamists" are not an insignificant fraction (see attitudes from random surveys about 911).
The Hammer| 5.24.12 @ 12:51PM
"The Islamic world is emerging very slowly from centuries of ongoing colonisation."
One hundred years ago the Ottoman Empire was in place. The Sultanate of Egypt controlled another significant chunk. It involved itself in European wars on the losing side and that had its effects. It is amazing to behold the ignorance of Islamic apologists. They paint themselves as victims when they are the victimizers. Their history is one of murder and mayhem. That is what they do today but it a more restricted way than they like apparently. It is extremely unlucky to have them as neighbors.
John786| 5.24.12 @ 1:25PM
Western empires were of course built on a bed of roses: in a parallel universe, The ones who are colonised are the victimisers and the one who invade are victims: very Zionist of you. Black becomes white in the hymn sheet of neoconservativism.
Alan| 5.24.12 @ 2:22PM
That is the model of an incoherent answer. Bravo!
The Big E| 5.24.12 @ 3:01PM
So, what was it called when Muslims were - as I pointed out in my post above which lacked the guts to respond to - engaging in wars of conquest upon their neighbors from Persia, India to Anatolia to Eastern Europe, and west across Africa and into Spain and southern Italy? Wars of conquest which were waged on a continuous basis from approximately 633 a.d. till approximately 1800 a.d.?
Who was the colonized then? Who were the victimizers?
John786| 5.24.12 @ 3:24PM
How dare the Bedouins of 6th century Arabia have an empire. In the holy book of colonising it clearly states that those on the bottom wrung of the ladder shall not be empiring. Unfortunately the Bedu couldn't read: bad news for the Romans, persians.
Alan| 5.24.12 @ 3:32PM
I got news for you pal, historically the Bedu were never bad news for the Romans or the Persians and unlike the Romans and the Persians didn't leave anything behind other than camel shit.
The Big E| 5.24.12 @ 4:24PM
Look in the mirror, John, the eyes staring back at you are exactly like the eyes you claim to despise.
It is rather hypocritical for those who have spent their ENTIRE HISTORY attempting to conquer and subjugate all those around them to claim to be victimized by colonizers.
The Hammer| 5.24.12 @ 3:25PM
We have our history and you have yours. I like ours better. Basic human rights are universal. Now modern Islam is a place where women that have been raped can be tried, convicted and executed if they don't have the proper number of witnesses. I admit that our universities are going a little backwards with respect to free speech but I am optimistic that they will eventually turn themselves around. Tours my friend.
John786| 5.24.12 @ 4:25PM
Believe it or not all societies evolve: statis is not part of the human condition.. The Arab spring is another twist in the ME narrative. I'm an optimist and hope this it will lead to a better place: there of course will be winners and losers. Those who want compliant zombie states are probably on a downward spiral. But this needn't be a zero sum game.
The Hammer| 5.24.12 @ 4:47PM
I have seen enough of the Arab Spring to see where it is going. The mob burns a Coptic church while the police watch. Winners (Islamo-Fascists) and losers (the civilized) is what the Arab Spring offers. Tours my friend.
irish19| 5.25.12 @ 1:04AM
Agreed. I recently came across the term 'Islamonausea' (at American Thinker I believe). It is much more accurate. I'm sick of the muzzies and their death cult, sick of their demands for special treatment, and sick to death of their apologists.
JimH| 5.24.12 @ 9:15AM
How did VW think naming a car after these guys was a good idea?
Benjamin P. Glaser| 5.24.12 @ 9:20AM
Excellent article. Really enjoyed it. Thanks for the hard work!
James Jones| 5.24.12 @ 10:00AM
How's this for an innocuous comment, a mild suggestion. Would be nice somehow if articles like these came with maps. Gao I see on a Google map, though it hardly looks like it's in the "North." Tmbuktu -- and "modern Fezzan" -- can't find them.
Aymenn Jawad Al-Tamimi| 5.24.12 @ 10:29AM
James Jones,
Fezzan is southwest Libya, where many of the Tuareg have long resided but have since the end of the civil war been subject to reprisal attacks because they have often been associated with support for Qadhdhafi.
shipley130| 5.24.12 @ 12:38PM
I think the Muslims need a very large dose of their own medicine.
Paul Kotik| 5.24.12 @ 3:03PM
I wonder how it happened that it was Europeans arriving from great distances in ships to the shores of Africa and America, rather than Africans and Indians arriving from great distances in their ships to the shores of Europe.
I suppose it was because the Africans and Indians were too busy co-exisitng in four-part harmony with sustainable fair trade carbon neutral vegan organic collaborationists. And some fish, too, occasionally. Doesn't leave much time for inventing explotative, ruthless, racist imperialist things like the wheel, stellar navigation, and so forth.
That would account for it.
irish19| 5.25.12 @ 1:08AM
I like the way you think, sir.
Vern Crisler| 5.24.12 @ 3:32PM
I wish writers would stop using the term "fundamentalist" to describe these people. They are Islamists, not fundamentalists. The latter term is used (sometimes pejoratively) to describe Christians who believe in fundamentals of the Christian faith.
It reminds me of those media liberals who used to describe the Stalinist opponents of Yeltsin as "conservatives."
POST American| 5.25.12 @ 2:21AM
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John Baker| 5.28.12 @ 2:04PM
Thanks for a great story. This author enlightened us about the very much we do not know!
sarah in nc| 5.29.12 @ 11:16PM
that goes double for me
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sarah in nc| 5.29.12 @ 11:15PM
A Free Kurdistan Now!
take that Turks
and a Free Baluchistan Now!
and Cardinal Richelieu is smiling if we can exploit it to our own interests