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Nobody Pushed Tyler Clementi

By Ross Kaminsky on 5.23.12 @ 6:09AM

The growing injustice of hate crime jurisprudence.

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In Ravi’s case, his Twitter messages made clear that he thought something of his “roommate…making out with a dude.” That’s not the same as proving bias; indeed it is more likely, given that Ravi then said “Yay” rather than “Yuck,” that he thought he’d stumbled on one of life’s occasional bizarre happenstances, one that might make for a laugh with his college friends who seemed more interested in ethanol than education.

Ravi’s lawyer noted, “This case is contrived, is being treated and exists today as if it’s a murder case.” Prosecutions like Ravi’s smack of a civil rights movement, originally well-intended, now run amok in a fog of lost perspective and a fog machine of power-hungry special interest groups and political ladder-climbing prosecutors.

The judge did not recommend deportation for Ravi. But with a felony conviction on his record, what hope does he have at a future in the United States? Some will say that destroying Ravi’s future is just because he destroyed Clementi’s (something far from demonstrated), but justice must be about the rule of law, not the satisfaction of retribution.

Ravi was guilty of terrible judgment and of minor crimes, but this case only went to trial because the “victim” (and I use that term as loosely as with the idea of a “victim” of Romney’s barber practice in high school) was gay. Instead, he now has a felony record and his life, at least in America, is all but over.

Clementi’s suicide, although tragic, is not Ravi’s fault despite his juvenile spying and “tweeting.”

It may seem unfair, but curing such unfairness by penalizing thoughts is not the proper province of government. In terms of the justice system, the advent of “hate crimes” laws and politically-correct prosecutions make victims of people like Dharun Ravi, who was nothing more than a bone-headed college student and who never laid a finger on, or even insulted, Tyler Clementi.

This is not to downplay the anguish caused by a young man killing himself. The loss that Clementi’s parents feel is one that will be with them for the rest of their days; it is a loss that no parent should ever experience.

“Hate crime” — really thought crime — laws divide rather than unite our nation, causing justifiable fear among members of the “majority” from interacting with others for fear of being accused of holding an impermissible opinion. They cause some Americans to recognize that prosecution of crimes against them will be pursued less aggressively than of crimes against others, simply because we have the apparent misfortune to be some combination of heterosexual, white, straight, Christian, or male.

To be sure, American blacks, have historic grievances regarding their treatment by our legal system. But mistreating others as some sort of misplaced penance — or for political gain — does great harm to our nation.

As for Dharun Ravi, he may have made Tyler Clementi think about the bridge — and he may not have — but Clementi himself was responsible for jumping. Tragedy following stupidity must not be confused with injustice, and destroying a young man’s future as retribution for a life ended prematurely must not be confused with justice.

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About the Author

Ross Kaminsky is a self-employed trader and investor and is a senior fellow of the Heartland Institute. He is the host of The Ross Kaminsky Show on Denver’s NewsRadio 850 KOA at 11 AM on most Sundays. You can reach Ross by e-mail at rossputin(at)rossputin(dot)com.

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Appleby| 5.23.12 @ 6:34AM

I am not in favour of criminal conviction for "thought crimes" as nobody can know what anybody else is really thinking. However, I do believe that the good scare this kid got may make him and the parents who should have taught him manners think carefully "Is it true? Is it right? Is it necessary?" before mocking, jeering and spying on other people in the future.

He can also forget about running for President, which ought to be a relief to him, since 50 years from now people will still be bringing this stupid stunt up. Sister Mary Bernadette was right: it DOES go on your permanent record.

NJ Humanists Against Hatred| 5.23.12 @ 8:05AM

Kaminsky writes:

"Apparently, McGreevey . . .believes that Ravi has several million co-conspirators. Yes, we're all guilty (well, not McGreevey or other gays) for Clementi's death."

With McGreevey, I concur. And the church in all its hateful ignorance is most assuredly a co-conspirtor in the hatred and violence directed at gays.

In case you did not read about the preacher in NC who advocates putting "queers and homosexuals" in concentration camps, here's a little clip from his sermon, which you can watch on YouTube and read about from hundreds of news sources.

In his Mothers Day sermon, Pastor Charles L Worley of Providence Road Baptist Church in Maiden, NC, said:

“I figured a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers. “Build a great, big, large fence — 150 or 100 mile long — put all the lesbians in there… Do the same thing for the queers and the homosexuals and have that fence electrified so they can’t get out… And you know what, in a few years, they’ll die.”

And religious leaders wonder why moral, intelligent people are leaving the church?

And you, Mr. Kaminsky, are a despicable lyer. You know full well that Ravi's recording of Clementi's private sexual behavior was one more insult, one more humiliation, one last offense that pushed Clementi over the edge.

We are so tired of the constant gay bashing that is a daily occurence in our media, and especially in American Spectator. The hatred of gays is comparable to the hatred of Jews in Nazi Germany. I lost nearly half of my relatives in the Holocaust, and my wife lost all of hers.

Concentration camps? That's what many from the religious right want, and if it is only the Moral and Ethical Left who will prevent this from happening.

Truncheon| 5.23.12 @ 8:26AM

Heh heh heh! Suicide, by definition, is a game of solitaire.

Sexual perversion, in whatever form, will always be repulsive to normal people. That isn't fear, and it isn't hate.

Hatred is what drips from *your* every venemous word towards religion, the church, and those who refrain from joining you in your fantasy world as regards the normalcy of sexual perversion.

TLP| 5.23.12 @ 2:30PM

Don't be ridiculous. You sound like an Idiot.

How do we know a person's intent? We need Recordings, and Written Statements, and Witnesses.

What are you, 5 years old?

This is the United States of America circa 2012, and the rules regarding the Laws are as follows: Only WHITES can be Racists. Only WHITES, can commit Hate Crimes. Only WHITES can be Bigots. Only WHITE Bigots and Homophobes can be denied a gig on MSNBC. Only WHITES can Violate someone's Civil Rights, or the Voting Rights Act. Only WHITES are banned from filing grievances with this Black President's Black Attorney General's BLACKS ONLY Justice Department. Only WHITE Congressmen, who don't pay their Taxes, go to Jail. Only WHITE Politicians are condemned when they spew Racist Remarks, Threaten Violence, or sit in a Racist, Bigotted, Anti-Semitic, America Hating Church for 5 minutes, let alone 20 YEARS.

The worst thing this guy did, was to be born a couple shades too light.

If he had been BLACKER?

Hell, he mighta got a Medal.

J.J.| 5.24.12 @ 5:23PM

TLP, you are the one who sounds like an idiot ... and a racist. Your reference to "blacks only Justice Department" shows you have no clue about the federal legal system. Thankfully, most of us who are white (and most Americans of all colors) are not racists. The reason this was brought to court is that the Middlesex County Prosecutor's Office has a history of going overboard on cases which never should have gone to a grand jury.

Suzyqpie | 5.26.12 @ 7:50AM

JJ you didn't get the memo? It is no longer acceptable to call someone a Racist. Alone, Racist fails in the inclusive/diversity catagory. The new and improved label is racistbigothomophobnativistneocon. That covers everyone who ever did anything ever. Now you know.

Richard Ryan| 5.23.12 @ 8:32AM

"that's what many from the religious right want.". "Constant gay-bashing.."Concentration camps.
That's the sort of BS that comes from a person who is ignorant or is lying and/or exaggerating. Almost hate to justify that crap with a comment, but those statements mean nothing. This preacher in NC does not represent 99% of conservative Christians. If anything, popular culture celebrates homosexuality in this country, so there is not constant gay bashing. There will ALWAYS be folks out there saying absurd things like you and the preacher. Nothing we can do to stop it.

Anna K. from Emory U.| 5.23.12 @ 8:38AM

Many North Carolina preachers preach hatred of gays from their pulpits to a receptive, enthusiastic congregation.

The preacher at Berean Baptist Church in Fayetteville, NC, had this to say about what to do to young boys who do not adhere to masculine stereotypes:

"So your little son starts to act a little girlish when he is four years old and instead of squashing that like a cockroach . . .Dads, the second you see your son dropping the limp wrist, you walk over there and crack that wrist. Man up. Give him a good punch."

The congregation showed their approval by laughing loudly and shouting "Amen"!

Co-conspirators? They're out there, especially in the churches.

I thank God for the Humanists in New Jersey and elsewhere. Fundamentalist Christianity has become a cesspool of unbridled hatred.

Joe from San Diego| 5.23.12 @ 8:42AM

" . . .A cesspool of unbridled hatred . . ."

Sounds like you're describing the anti-gay comments on AmSpec. They are indeed toxic.

Elizabeth Y.| 5.23.12 @ 8:48AM

Just read Truncheon's post, and you'll see how low-down and venemous the commenters can be.

"Heh heh heh! Suicide, by definition, is a game of solitaire."

If you see humor in this, you are evil.

I'm getting a little sick of the anger, the rage that comes through loudly and clearly and daily on this blog. Haters be damned!

Porky| 5.23.12 @ 8:57AM

Just read Elizabeth's post and you will see how low-down and venemous gay commenters can be.

"I'm getting a little sick of the anger, the rage that comes through loudly and clearly and daily on this blog. Haters be damned!"

She is damning the haters which in itself is an act of hate. Research shows that hating is a natural human reaction and she wants everybody to hate the haters. I hate that. Oh no. I have fallen into another liberal do-loop. Help me.

Canisius| 5.23.12 @ 11:58AM

LONG LIVE HATE AGAINST THE LEFT

Canisius| 5.23.12 @ 11:58AM

LONG LIVE HATE AGAINST THE LEFT

Bob K.| 5.23.12 @ 9:57AM

BIG BROTHER APPROVES JOE FROM SAN DIEGO'S COMMENT! JOE FROM SAN DIEGO IS A HERO OF THE STATE. JOE'S WORDS WILL NOT DISAPPEAR DOWN THE MEMORY HOLE!

Bob K.| 5.23.12 @ 10:11AM

BIG BROTHER ALSO APPROVES OF NEW JERSEY HUMANISTS AGAINST HATRED. THEY HAVE DEMONSTRATED THAT THEY INDEED KNOW THAT 2 +2 = 5!

*| 5.23.12 @ 9:32AM

(* these feelings - whoa whoa whoa - feelings endorsed by compassionate liberals for abominably perverted sexually deviant degenerate behavior and abominably depraved morally corrupt degenerate slaughter of the innocent and defenseless)

(ahem)| 5.23.12 @ 9:37AM

"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

Albert Constantine Jr.| 5.23.12 @ 10:38AM

I have noticed that whenever "Anna K. from Emory U." posts here, immediately thereafter, there are multiple replies from others endorsing "her" remarks. It must be nice to have an adoring entourage from the same IP wherever you post in cyber land.

Emory student| 5.23.12 @ 11:41AM

Anna K., a pseudonym, is a professor, and in one of her political science courses she assigns students to read right-wing blogs in an attempt to understand the anger inherent in right-wing ideology.

I, one of her students, posted the Elizabeth Y. comment.

Here's why I felt compelled to respond to Truncheon.

To say that suicide is a "heh, heh, heh . . . game of solitaire" really demonstrates what my professor is saying about right-wingers. So many are possessed with a violent anger that is frightening to ponder.

We--her students-- have culled from this blog hundreds of examples of ferocious hate speech, like the antisemetic jibes on here, and categorized them.

If you deny there is hate speech expressed in this magazine, then you have no morality.

Now, back to my books.

Canisius| 5.23.12 @ 11:56AM

GO back to your books little girl, yes I do have hate towards people who do everything in their power to empower government at the expense of individual liberty, who pit one group against the other... The so called hate will one day be used against people like you and your stupid professor and it will be glorious as we stand over your broken bodies and smile...CRUSH THE LEFT

Ross Kaminsky | 5.23.12 @ 1:04PM

We will beat the left at the ballot box. I will have no part of standing over broken bodies...unless they come for me first.

Canisius| 5.23.12 @ 1:24PM

The ballot box means nothing to leftist, I know this first hand being from the Old Warsaw Bloc, they are ruthless and brutal people and their version of equality ALWAYS requires the use of the police state to enforce

Tim the Enchanter| 5.23.12 @ 11:57AM

"Emory student" aka sockpuppet. Nice try, h8tr!

Skippy| 5.23.12 @ 12:08PM

Hatespeech?
Hate speech?!!
Are you joking?
There can be no such thing thanks to the 1st Amendment.
If Nazis can march in Skokie under a court order of community tolerance, anonymous bloggers can say any damn thing they want.
Your obsession with thought crimes(hatespeech; hate crimes)will breed the violence you claim to detest, as the simpleminded Occupy types will act upon your suggestions and silence the right by force.
Then the rifles come out.
The only part of the US Constitution that is worth a damn is Amendment #2.
Keep it up and find out what Mao meant about the true source of political power.

Earth To Emory| 5.23.12 @ 12:31PM

As an individual who has and will continue to own businesses, and who has and will continue to hire for employment hundreds of individuals, I take into account what I have read here in determining the characteristics of the individuals I have and will hire. Feel free to categorize the individuals associated in any way with Emory I have and will continue to hire.

I also take into account what I have read here when discoursing with individuals on why liberalism is a thoroughly unintelligent and dishonest ideology. Feel free to categorize how Emory faculty and student body have and will continue to fit into my discourse.

Albert Constantine Jr.| 5.23.12 @ 5:56PM

Emory Student;

As someone who reads and posts here on a daily basis, I am fairly familiar with who posts here and what they position they are going to take on a given issue. Let’s examine what was here before the pseudonymous “Anna K. from Emory U” and her students showed up and began posting at 8:38 a.m.

More than half of the comments posted before that time do not deal with the homosexuality aspect of this story at all. Two that did (and were deleted) dealt with Jim McGreevey’s predilection for cruising at road and truck stops for sexual trysts. Most were focused on the misuse of the legal system to punish thoughts, which was the topic of the article.

The major exception to this is the post from NJ Humanists Against Hatred, who has never posted here under this name previously. This post attempts to equate Mr. Kaminsky’s questions regarding the use of the legal system to forward political agendas by criminalizing unproven bias with an unrelated story about a sermon from a 300 member church in Catawba North Carolina. The commenter then continues the poorly spelled rant and tries to link the Jewish libertarian Kaminsky (whose strongest words on homosexuality that I’ve ever read is that he’s not interested in practicing it) to concentration camps and the Holocaust.

From the students:

“I'm getting a little sick of the anger, the rage that comes through loudly and clearly and daily on this blog. Haters be damned!”
“Sounds like you're describing the anti-gay comments on AmSpec. They are indeed toxic.”
“If you deny there is hate speech expressed in this magazine, then you have no morality.”

In other words, most of the “hate” and name-calling is expressed by trolls such as you and your student provocateurs. While those who post here regularly have strong opinions and don’t hesitate to express them, or respond when assailed, the hate I see comes for the most part from the visiting team (with the primary exception of “Bill” , one of the resident leftists posing as a conservative, whose assignment in May is anti-Hispanic posts, as opposed to his April assignment, which was anti-black).

Keep studying those books, and maybe one day you’ll learn to express yourself without pretending that those who hold different opinions than you own are not “moral” or are full of “hate”, but with Professors like “Anna K.”, I sort of doubt it. You're not going to learn much as it currently stands, but maybe at least you’ll get a good grade.

History Buff| 5.23.12 @ 6:02PM

For your edification, Mr. Albert Constantine:

Upon the rise of Adolf Hitler, gay men and, to a lesser extent, lesbians, were two of the numerous groups targeted by the Nazi Party and were ultimately among Holocaust victims. Beginning in 1933, gay organizations were banned, scholarly books about homosexuality, and sexuality in general, were burned, and homosexuals within the Nazi Party itself were murdered. The Gestapo compiled lists of homosexuals, who were compelled to sexually conform to the "German norm."

Between 1933–45, an estimated 100,000 men were arrested as homosexuals, of whom some 50,000 were officially sentenced.[1] Most of these men served time in regular prisons, and an estimated 5,000 to 15,000 of those sentenced were incarcerated in Nazi concentration camps.[1] It is unclear how many of the 5,000 to 15,000 eventually perished in the camps, but leading scholar Ruediger Lautman believes that the death rate of homosexuals in concentration camps may have been as high as 60%. Homosexuals in the camps were treated in an unusually cruel manner by their captors.

After the war, the treatment of homosexuals in concentration camps went unacknowledged by most countries, and some men were even re-arrested and imprisoned based on evidence found during the Nazi years. It was not until the 1980s that governments began to acknowledge this episode, and not until 2002 that the German government apologized to the gay community.[2] This period still provokes controversy, however. In 2005, the European Parliament adopted a resolution on the Holocaust which included the persecution of homosexuals.

Source: Wikipedia

Albert Constantine Jr.| 5.23.12 @ 8:31PM

Thank you for this edification, though it is information that I am aware of, and I generally eschew Wikipedia as anything but a casual source. That being said, the internet has lots of search capability for someone who wishes to cut and paste.

If you have never seen the 1960 film "Exodus", the issue is discussed somewhat by character Dov Landau portrayed by Sal Mineo. The website Renew America discusses this phenomenon, as well:

"Many of the guards and administrators responsible for concentration camp horrors were themselves homosexuals. Famous Nazi hunter Elie Weisel was sent to Auschwitz, where he discovered that the head of his part of the camp 'loved children,' and observed that 'there was a considerable traffic in young children among homosexuals there.'

A Nazi administrator at Treblinka, according to one historian,'had a harem of little Jewish boys' and 'sought in Treblinka only the satisfaction of his homosexual instincts.'

In some camps, SS guards would actually sponsor lotteries to see which of the 'young attractive homosexuals' would go to whom, while at the same time, according to one historian, they 'lashed out with special fury against those who showed effeminate traits.' A Pink Triangle survivor said, 'The ones who were soft were the ones who suffered terribly.'

The 'Butch' homosexual guards and capos were capable of unrestrained cruelty, sadism and savagery. A guard at Auschwitz, for instance, strangled, crushed and gnawed to death as many as 100 boys and young men a day while raping them at his leisure.

Historian Frank Rector writes of a film made by the SS 'that was secretly made for the enjoyment of a select coterie of Nazis showing a wild drunken orgy of beautiful boys and handsome young men being whipped, raped and murdered by the SS.'

Of course, if it is Wikipedia you prefer, I offer the following from the entry on Ernst Roehm, one of the co-founders of the Nazi Party:

"Another hindrance was the homosexuality of Röhm and other SA leaders such as his deputy Edmund Heines (both of whom would later be sentenced to death on Hitler's orders).[4][5] In 1931, the Münchener Post, a Social Democratic newspaper, obtained and published Röhm's letters to a friend in which Röhm discussed his sexual affairs with men.

By this time, Röhm and Hitler were so close that they addressed each other as du (the German familiar form of 'you'). Röhm was the only top Nazi that Hitler addressed as such. In turn, Röhm was the only Nazi who dared address Hitler as 'Adolf,' rather than 'mein Führer.'[5]"

"John Toland noted that Hitler had long been privately aware that Röhm and his SA associates were homosexuals; although he disapproved of their behaviour, he stated that 'the SA are a band of warriors and not a moral institution.'[11]"

To summarize, then, there were homosexuals wearing the swastika and persecuted by those wearing it, and on both sides of the concentration camp fence. The National Socialist Party was not a right wing or a Christian organization; it was able to develop and thrive in a society that cast aside its traditional morality, and allowed a self-appointed elite to try to and recast it in pre-Christian pagan idolatry and a quasi-social darwinist elimination of "die untermenschen".

I hope you find the above edifying, as well.

History Buff| 5.23.12 @ 9:56PM

The effort you go to is staggering, but some of your facts are lunatic. Here's one, for example:

"A guard at Auschwitz, for instance, strangled, crushed and gnawed to death as many as 100 boys and young men a day while raping them at his leisure."

Gnawed to death? Gnawed to death! One hundred a day! The mind reels. Obviously you are so intent on demonizing gays that you will stoop to the gutter to find any little sensational lie to bolster your demonization of gays.

You forgot to mention that Sal Mineo was gay. Why did you neglect to label him and demonize him with your vitriol?

You can keep on demonizing gays all you want, but we will triumph over you and your kind in the end. Good will triumph over evil, and you impress me as one evil, old man.

A few decades ago it was nigger this, nigger that, and now it has become faggot this, faggot that. But it's not the young who are rabidly homophobic. No, they are FAR MORE ACCEPTING.

Anyway, you're bitter and irrelevant.

Albert Constantine Jr.| 5.23.12 @ 10:53PM

History Buff;

By the tenor of your reply, it would seem that you don't find my remarks edifying, as intended.

I don't believe I have demonized anyone in any of my voluminous posts on this thread, but you are free to feel any way you choose to about it. I do elsewhere mock those who try to come to this site, post hate-filled remarks, and then claim this is a site filled with hate speech.

As far as what appears in quotes, I merely did the same thing that you did, i.e. I engaged in brief cut and paste from easily accessible websites, and gave credit. My effort was minimal and consumed but a few minutes. You do realize, of course, by challenging a piece of Holocaust history, that you now qualify as a Holocaust denier to many.

I do enjoy how you inject your emotion, ad hominem attacks and irrelevancy into your reply. I refer to an actor playing a character in a popular film adaptation of a work of historical fiction whose character spoke dialogue 50 years ago of a practice referenced in the Wikipedia piece you cite (" Homosexuals in the camps were treated in an unusually cruel manner by their captors") which also offers a counterpoint and your response is to berate me for neglecting to "demonize" him.

My recommendation would be for you to post as "Hysteria Buff" from this point forward, as it more accurately describes what your demeanor in your last post. Meanwhile, I recommend that you check with your therapist to see if an adjustment of medication is necessary, and recommend you stay away from the Internet for awhile.

Pelleas| 5.24.12 @ 11:09AM

Albert C.

You are actually the scum of the earth, in your sickening attempts to link homosexuality to the beastial acts of Concentration Camp guards , during The Shoah--- that has to be one of the lowest and filthiest spews I have read on this site--at least for today....

Albert Constantine Jr.| 5.24.12 @ 4:55PM

Thank you for your emotional response, Pelleas.

If you read my post, I point out one instance in popular culture where the issue was discussed, and cite the references in quotes, that deals with the subset of activity, and conclude that there were Nazi homosexuals (including concentration camp staff) along with homosexuals who were imprisoned, tortured and killed.

I don't suggest they were "pro-gay', but that many were homosexuals, and indulged in murder, torture and rape of some similarly oriented, and millions of others who weren't.

Holy Bible| 5.24.12 @ 7:48AM

Holy Bible: "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

Truthophobe Holy Bible Describes As Detestable: "You can keep on demonizing [homosexuals] all you want, but we will triumph over you and your kind in the end. Good will triumph over evil"

Holy Bible: "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

Bob S| 5.24.12 @ 3:02AM

Instead of the usual propaganda, do us all a favor and read The Pink Swastika by Lively and Abrams.
The Nazis were pro homosexual and Hitler only went after Rohm because he was a threat to Hitler, not because he was a homosexual.

Pelleas| 5.24.12 @ 2:30PM

The Nazis were DECIDEDLY NOT "PRO-GAY"-- regardless of how many of the individual members of the Party might have indulged in homosexual activity.

The infamous "Paragraph 175" of the German Penal Code, criminalizing homosexual activity, was observed to strictness letter of the Law during the dark years of 1933-1945 in all German -held lands.

Yes..the CAN be bad men , such as Roehm, who just happened to be homosexual as well, but it is not historically correct to call the Nazi regime ""Gay-friendly" in the slightest-- even with the homo-erotic subtexts of all those boots /uniforms/and male -bonding

Armordillo| 5.24.12 @ 3:01PM

Are you sure you want to cite Wikipedia as a source? That is pretty dumb! Your stats dwindle as fast as you whip them out and you clearly state " it is unclear." A scholar you are not and you need to get on here and cite sources you can't vette pretty much paints you " amateur." You need to find a new mentor - the person currently thinking for you only has three brain cells.

Occam's Tool| 5.24.12 @ 4:13AM

I hug my little boy every day, and kiss him on the forehead. He has been chased by little girls since age 3, with phone calls.

Plenty of football, baseball, and rugby players are gay. Vidal Sassoon was not only hetero, he snagged supermodels and kicked Islamic butt in Israel. The preacher is an idiot; but he's also not typical of the fundamentalist Christians I know, and I probably know many more than you do, Anna, having practiced in rural Alabama 7 years.

Purple Lips| 5.23.12 @ 8:52AM

"We are so tired of the constant gay bashing that is a daily occurence in our media, and especially in American Spectator. The hatred of gays is comparable to the hatred of Jews in Nazi Germany. I lost nearly half of my relatives in the Holocaust, and my wife lost all of hers."

If one considers that gays have created an industry out of "outing" hetros (especially conservative ones), your words fall on deaf ears. And famous gays such from Gored Vidal to Freddie Mercury had it pretty good these last 80 years. I would hardly compare San Francisco and Manhatten's Upper Eastside to Treblinka or Sachenhausen. Get over yourself and save us the Thomas Moore histronics.

2Anglico| 5.23.12 @ 9:35AM

Exactly correct, the "persecuted" homosexual community is more affluent than the rest of society, some persecution! Read their crybaby comments above. They would not have survived the train ride to the camps. To compare their plight with the Jew's is proof of their irrationality.

3Angelicoco in L.A.| 5.23.12 @ 11:13AM

You say the "homosexual community" is more affluent than rest of society.

True.

You know why? They're smarter, more intelligent, just like the Jews.

Lots of Jew haters on here today. Looks to me like the gays and Jews are hated for the same reasons: They're both more intelligent and more successful than "the rest of society."

2Anglico, your envy is showing. You ought to get that malice out of your heart.

Purple Lips| 5.23.12 @ 11:49AM

You just made my point. The only persecution of gays occurs in your own mind.

2Anglico| 5.23.12 @ 12:06PM

Intelligence is NOT a predictor of wealth, see college professors.

2Anglico| 5.23.12 @ 12:11PM

And the "Jew haters" posting here today are agents provocateurs.

Skippy| 5.23.12 @ 12:54PM

Probably posting just so their comments can be repeated by the MSM as examples of AmSpec haters showing their true colors.
Plant false evidence, then use it in court.
It won't work.

Paul Kotik| 5.23.12 @ 5:08PM

Actually, Homosexuals are more affluent because they invest/spend what they earn all for themselves, not for their children and grandchildren. It's a hell of a lot easier to be affluent when you income is all dedicated to your narcissistic, self-obsessed self, and not divided by 2, 3 4...6, 7...

chardonnay| 5.24.12 @ 1:39AM

No, so far research has not found that gays are smarter. It's found the opposite--no difference. (We do know, however, from years of psychometric testing that Ashkenazi Jews have higher IQs than most other groups (and higher than other Jews).

Gays often have more disposable income than straight counterparts; thus, the "more successful" impression.

The reason is that most gays have no family, no children to support. They can take risks in career advancements (re-location is but one simple example), enter risky economic fields (acting, the arts) that equally talented straights avoid as career choices because straights perceive the need to be economically cautious and future-oriented for family formation.

Occam's Tool| 5.24.12 @ 4:09AM

Yup. We Ashkenazis can't help it. And we keep it up just to piss off Jack and Clint, and their ilk.

Kenny| 5.23.12 @ 11:24AM

Again .... they're not 'gay.'

They're homosexual.

Mike W| 5.23.12 @ 9:23AM

Your broadside against all churches based on one Baptist preacher's comments may offend, even intimidate some fundamentalist Christians. Who knows, maybe someone reading your comment will despair of America's growing secularism, and kill himself this afternoon.

Since you live in NJ, you may have just committed a hate crime. See how easy that was? I think that is Kaminsky's point.

paul| 5.23.12 @ 10:21AM

Reading this evil Jew-hating garbage makes me sick to my stomach. I will not read the Spectator again.

Skippy| 5.23.12 @ 12:18PM

WTF?

Ross Kaminsky | 5.23.12 @ 1:06PM

Paul,

Please don't hold those horrible comments against AmSpec. I am deleting them as I find them, and I think it's as likely as not that they are leftists trying to make this web site look bad.

For the record, I'm Jewish and the AmSpec is not anti-Semitic in the slightest. Quite the opposite, in fact.

Ross Kaminsky | 5.23.12 @ 10:15AM

Funny to get a comment like this with so many of the regular AmSpec readers having recently gone after me for being too accepting of homosexuality in our society.

Homer Simpson| 5.23.12 @ 2:11PM

Well, you did fail the Gaydar test.

TLP| 5.23.12 @ 2:32PM

Maybe it's all those "Vacations" you take to Africa?

I'm just saying.

tonypal| 5.23.12 @ 10:57AM

"The hatred of gays is comparable to the hatred of Jews in Nazi Germany. I lost nearly half of my relatives in the Holocaust, and my wife lost all of hers."

Typically when an immature "humanist" from the left has nothing intelligent to say, he resorts to the tired and worn out comparison to Nazis. In fact, the only thing you forgot was McCarthyism. But I'm sure that was just an oversight on your part.

As a member of the religious right, I can tell you that I've never heard a single one of my brothers or sisters in Christ express a desire to hurl gays and lesbians into concentration camps. In fact, the vast majority of intolerance in this country comes from the "humanists" and "Anna K's from Emory" who simply cannot fathom that people of good will can actually disagree with them without hating them. Sure, you can point out someone here or there that says something truly hateful. But just as we on the right are admonished not to paint all leftists with a broad brush for the actions of OWS types who crap in public, commit rape, attack the police, disrupt the lives of people trying to go to work or run a business, it's equally wrong for you assume that everyone on the religious right agrees with the crazed rantings of a preacher in NC (or wherever).

The real enemies of free people are leftists like yourself who press for hate crimes legislation, which is nothing more than punishment for thoughts that offend you. If you were honest, instead of being the liar (not lyer) that you accuse others of being, you would state your true beliefs. You would have each of us on the right questioned by your own lavender gestapo. Impure thoughts, as defined by you, would be punished. That's what the Orwellian "NJ Humanists Against Hatred" are really all about. You have no problems with hatred, as you are overflowing with it. What you're really against is any limit on human behavior, no matter how bizarre.

So be man/woman enough to state your true thoughts and intentions. Knock it off with the phony campaign against hatred. You've already exposed yourself for the hater that you are. Just come clean and admit that what you really want is a body of laws institutionalizing homosexuality as the natural equivalent of heterosexuality, the banning of any and all religious instruction to the contrary, and punishment under the law for those whose thoughts somehow violate your "rights."

darcy| 5.23.12 @ 1:50PM

Perfectly said, tonypal. I can only add that the country these advocates for institutionalizing homosexuality would create would not be America. It would not be America because their goal cannot be achieved without dismantling the First Amendment.

So what they really want is to destroy America, our freedom of speech, our freedom of association (already making strides there), and our freedom of conscience. What they seek is a totalitarian state.

They will not have what they want; we will not roll over while they steal our liberty. Not now, not ever.

Canisius| 5.23.12 @ 11:51AM

Clementi was not pushed off the GWB, he was little child incapable of dealing with life's problems. And I am so sick of the gay mafia and their thought police, gays will never be fully accepted as a matter of will maybe by a matter of force, but that's it...

old white guy| 5.23.12 @ 4:05PM

canisius, they will nevr have enough force.

Rational Liberal Thought| 5.23.12 @ 4:37PM

"Clementi was not pushed off the GWB..." - AH HAH! - I knew it! It's Bush's fault! Bush did it! Bush is to blame! If it wasn't for those two wars and that lying son of a bitch Bush Clementi would STILL BE ALIVE! The twin towers would still be standing! Every nation would be co-existing in peace! Imagine! Only brotherhood! Nothing to kill or die for! No possessions! No greed or hunger! You you may say I'm a dreamer-[froth][spittle]...

Miriam| 5.23.12 @ 2:22PM

It is not in the character of the One who founded Christianity to state that any sinner should be put in a concentration camp. If that was the case, we would all need to be in a concentration camp. He would say we all deserve to be in a far worse place, but He paid the price to set us all free if we will look to Him. This preacher is not speaking the truth in love.

old white guy| 5.23.12 @ 4:04PM

Christ said to the prostitute, go and sin no more. we no longer accept that there is any such thing as sin. what a price we and our children and grandchildren will pay.

Miriam| 5.23.12 @ 4:10PM

like I said the truth with love. You did it right; the preacher missed the mark.

beebop2| 5.23.12 @ 6:43PM

Why no mention that Tyler's mother was appalled when he came out to her? Are you telling me that a childish prank perpetrated by a STRANGER was more meaningful than rejection from his mother? You are LOOKING FOR HATE in the wrong place.

Patrick| 5.23.12 @ 9:16AM

Has anyone asked whether it's right for a heterosexual college student to be saddled with a gay roommate?

Liam Fitzpatrick| 5.23.12 @ 9:20AM

Amidst all our tolerance of alternative lifestyles, can we not at least acknowledge that homosexuals engage in unnatural acts that are, by any reasonable definition, perverted? Or is that just too much truth in our sissyfied, politically correct culture?

J.J.| 5.24.12 @ 5:28PM

About as unnatural as babies being born with cancer or without limbs. Your "lifestyle" is called nature.

Does Not Compute| 5.23.12 @ 9:52AM

How is having a college roommate who was cheerful or light-hearted, merry, bright, or lively a burden?

Wouldn't it be much more difficult to bear a college roommate who was an immoral abominably perverted sexually deviant homosexual degenerate?

Bob K.| 5.23.12 @ 9:41AM

BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU! BIG BROTHER NEEDS HATE CRIME AND THOUGHT CRIME LEGISLATION!

BE CAREFUL WITH YOUR COMMENTS HERE.

RAMIII| 5.23.12 @ 10:20AM

When the wicked rule; the righteous groan! Proverbs 29:2

old white guy| 5.23.12 @ 3:59PM

they more than groan.

old white guy| 5.23.12 @ 4:01PM

just like that kid should have been aware of what he was doing. who gives a rats a$$ about big brother. kick him where it hurts and he will roll over.

old white guy| 5.23.12 @ 3:59PM

if someone is ashamed of their actions maybe a second thought might be in order.

Alan Brooks| 5.23.12 @ 5:17PM

One gay I did not appreciate sent a message the day Matt Shepard was murdered: I called up the station to note that gays were all of a sudden pro-capital punishment.
Twenty minutes later, the gay said over the airwave,
"you tell that guy Alan we gays are NO PUSHOVERS!"

Joellen| 5.23.12 @ 7:04AM

This case, like the Duke LaCross Case and now the Zimmerman case, is just one more example of how the Leftist have completely taken over the Legal system with one agenda - to make everything about THEIR agenda. Plain & Simple.

R Martin| 5.23.12 @ 7:38AM

True, especially at the top of the legal system. Consider the really odious racist crime committed by the New Black Panther Party in Philadelphia during voting in 2008. The blatant intimidation of voters and whites just walking past the polling place by King Samir Shabazz and Jerry Jackson was videotaped and circulated widely on the internet and shown on television. Yet the bigger racists in the Justice Department and its Voting Rights Section in particular chose not to prosecute. President Obama chose not to disagree with that decision. Justice system under this president has become a misnomer.

Gary B| 5.23.12 @ 8:46AM

And God help you if you're a white male.

Bob K.| 5.23.12 @ 9:43AM

BIG BROTHER DISAPPROVES OF COMMENTS LIKE THIS.

BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU!

martin j smith| 5.23.12 @ 7:22AM

I am troubled by the concept of bias or hate crimes because how do you ones intent unless you have it recorded,in writing ,viable whitnesses who hear or read statements by the accused.

I think that this Ravi guy was at best nasty SOB . But that he is not white may well have been an asset for him. This is where our nation is at--where we are at. Are you happy ?

TLP| 5.23.12 @ 8:45AM

Don't be ridiculous. You sound like an Idiot.

How do we know a person's intent? We need Recordings, and Written Statements, and Witnesses.

What are you, 5 years old?

The worst thing this guy did, was to be born a couple shades too light.

If he had been BLACKER?

Hell, he mighta got a Medal.

All American American| 5.23.12 @ 10:45AM

Intent? Haha, "intent" is so passe and only kook constitutionalists believe intent matters. /sarcasm off.

Bob K.| 5.23.12 @ 9:46AM

DO NOT BE TROUBLED BY THIS. BIG BROTHER WILL DECIDE!

IT IS A CRIME NOT TO BE HAPPY!

PUT UNHAPPY THOUGHTS INTO YOUR MEMORY HOLE.

Ross Kaminsky | 5.23.12 @ 10:16AM

If you read the New Yorker piece, it gives a pretty clear picture of Ravi as just another boneheaded kid, and Clementi as not much different. Nothing I've seen points to "nasty SOB."

POST American| 5.23.12 @ 7:35AM

---Another capstone authorized
'controversy' at the service of the
CON--trolled 'DIE--ALL--eck--tick'/

Meanwhile, still waiting for that --FIRST--
article on the Breitbart snuff out

---or, for that matter, the John Wheeler
snuff out

AND/OR

------the now unfolding FUKISHIMA
world nuclear disaster pt. II

-------the implentation details of NDAA 1021

--------the recent, one month's order of 450
MILLION hollow point rounds by DHS

----------the Gates/Monsanto GMO world
food Halocaust

--------the off-loading of US oil resources to
RED China by the TAX FREE capstone
EUGENIST and Globalist Warren Buffet

---------the Pentagon's deliberate 'ordo ob chaos'
'friendly' overloook of the growing Russian
and Chinese military threat

----------Hollywood's continued snuff out
of the 60th Anniversary of the Globalism
and Hunger Games --for REAL --Korean War

----------the unfolding USURPATION of the
Republic, and the actuall beginings of Globalist
receivership and ---scientific 'management'
(ie surveillance, mandated EUGENICS)

---------The swiftly approaching 'Make It Work'
'RIO + 20' hardpowering of Globalism, cultural
takedown, genocidal land clearance and
Rockefeller EUGENICS

--------the utterly ILLEGAL, privately and
foreign owned, USURY mongering, debt serf
generating, EUGENICS rabid --'FED'
and their lurking minnions within the
deadly sinister TAX FREE foundations

-----------------------and on and on and on and on

AGAIN for those just joining us,
--this is the 11th hour of the
CFR---RED China handover, takedown,
OCCUPATION and --FINAL EUGENICS op.

"---Well, maybe that's a GOOD thing--"

A Globalist once told us that.

REALLY!

---SO ---KEEP A GOIN'

----'Cause ---killin' fields are just parking lots

------and Manchuria's makin' your bye-bye shots

-------which, one day
-------------you'll take while watching Paul Potts!

-----------------------SO ---JUST KEEP ON GOIN'

Not Special Ops Bill| 5.23.12 @ 8:32AM

How about watching Pepper Potts? Iron Man does that...

Albert Constantine Jr.| 5.23.12 @ 8:47AM

lots, shots, Potts-----

Keep up all the rhyming
it's helpin' with your timing
its for us the bells are chiming

(Feel free to use any or all in a future post, POST).

Albert Constantine Jr.| 5.23.12 @ 8:55AM

"Furthermore, Clementi had gone to a gay student association meeting at Rutgers and told a friend 'I would consider myself out… if only there was someone for me to come out to.' "

Perhaps if the young late Mr. Clementi had only followed the McGreevey example, and called a press conference to "come out", he could have overcome the loneliness and isolation that led to his suicide. I have little doubt that the ex-Governor would have "friended" him.

Ron| 5.23.12 @ 8:01AM

The United States has gone so far into insanity, it should be institutionalized.

All American American| 5.23.12 @ 8:01AM

I thought being gay was all, like, normal and cool? I'm a guy--if I were in college I wouldn't have killed myself if my gay roommate took a video of me kissing a girl, so what's the big deal?

(Well, maybe if she was fat and ugly)

Albert Constantine Jr.| 5.23.12 @ 9:02AM

Perhaps the more salient question would be what would the girl do?

Something I haven't heard about is what happened with the guy Clementi was filmed kissing. Has he added a link to the video to his gay online dating site ("a kiss to die for"), or does he consider himself a victim of Dharun Ravi as well?

On second thought, I don't want to know.

All American American| 5.23.12 @ 10:40AM

Albert, true, after kissing a big ugly like me and being outed, the poor hypothetical girl may have very well wanted to jump off a bridge too.

I guess for me the question is simple:

Did the video have anything to do with the gay student jumping off a bridge? Since I think I read somewhere that homosexuals have a high rate of suicide, either 1) folks are filming homosexuals at an inordinate rate or 2) maybe there's something inherently self-loathing and depressing about the lifestyle?

Naaaaaah, couldn't be #2. Nope.

Albert Constantine Jr.| 5.23.12 @ 11:41AM

...or, to say it another way, why didn't the other guy recorded jump off a bridge as well...

jd| 5.23.12 @ 8:22AM

The only person who killed Tyler Clementi was Tyler Clementi. This is just another example of leftists pushing their ideology by trying to legally institutionalize hate crimes. One gets the sense that Ravi was prosecuted solely because the victim was gay. Let's not forget that Tyler Clementi chose to "come out". If he was not comfortable or confident in his decision maybe he should have respected his roommate's feelings when it came to sharing their living space.

Emanuelle| 5.23.12 @ 9:12AM

Thank you! This story also shows how certain people have to find someone or something else to blame for everything that goes wrong. Tyler Clementi killed himself but someone else has to pay, according to this mindset.

Savonarola| 5.23.12 @ 9:27AM

Both JD and Emmanuelle: Good comments.

Nobody dressed Clementi to go out that night. (He had on clothes and a jacket right? It would have been a cool night. He dressed himself, yes?) Nobody drove Clementi to that bridge. (After all, didn't Clementi pay for the cab fare himself? Or the metro ticket? The bus ticket?) Nobody put that idea in his head. Nobody even suggested that bridge or body of water. Nobody moved him from street to sidewalk to the edge. Nobody put his feet where he stood. Nobody said, "Leap when you're good and ready."

Well, wrong. All wrong. Somebody did:

Tyler Clementi.

Self-made decisions, actions, behaviors have consequences.

Not Special Ops Bill| 5.23.12 @ 8:29AM

At trial, did the prosecution EVER establish any connection whatever between capturing the homosexual kiss on video by Ravi, and the subsequent suicide?

Did anyone ever address the question of why it was that Clementi was suicidally affected by by the video showing the homosexual kiss, when he had already come out of the closet?

I agree that there should have been no probable cause without at least a connection between what Ravi did and Clementi's suicide, and therefore no case.

I think the jury and the judge found guilt and imposed punishment on Ravi for being an insensitive guy. So watch out, folks; you're next.

Not Special Ops Bill| 5.23.12 @ 9:56AM

Spending 30 days in jail when one ran the risk of doing ten years in a penitentiary may SEEM like an OK thing, but think about it: for a college student it means failing all your courses for that semester, and in Ravi's case probably getting kicked out of college, two life-altering events. For a working person it means the loss of one's job with the financial upheaval (especially in these times), and life-altering consequences. Thirty days in jail is no joke for hard-working and responsible members of society.

Appleby| 5.23.12 @ 10:52AM

Well, maybe he can become an Occupier.

Not Special Ops Bill| 5.23.12 @ 1:59PM

The Occupiers would kill him and bury the body under their shitpile in the public park.

Ross Kaminsky | 5.23.12 @ 10:17AM

No, they did not establish a connection, and I don't believe they even tried.

There was reportedly a suicide note but its contents have not been made public. Ravi says that he was told that the note did not suggest that Clementi blamed him.

Ravi was not accused of anything tied to Clementi's death. It was all "bias" and invasion of privacy and tampering with evidence sort of stuff.

rigged| 5.23.12 @ 8:31AM

One less gay guy around. So? What's the big deal?

Does that sound callous to you? Well, it shouldn't. I'm really not sure what a freshman is doing "getting it on" in the dorms anyway. ANY FRESHMAN -- ANYWHERE. The pervert should have been, uh, like studying something...maybe? You know, actually reading what is on the course syllabus. What are non campus visitors doing in freshmen dorms or any dorms for that matter? (this visitor -- of the video -- was not a family member)

This is just one more example of how looney tunes all the time college life is; why there is no need to bother. Reject the university and the FOOLS that run them. Study, learning, and academic rigor are not taking place.

Ross Kaminsky | 5.23.12 @ 10:19AM

That's simply a horrible comment. It's not "one less gay guy around." It is one less American young man, somebody's son. Almost any suicide by a young person is a tragedy; his sexual tendencies do not lessen it.

Anna Guyton| 5.23.12 @ 12:49PM

Thank you, Mr. Kaminsky, for one of the few humane and sensitive comments on this page.

Mr. Kaminsky, I know you are appalled at many of the commenters on here I, too, am disturbed after reading them. I just did not realize the capacity for the ugliest prejudice and malice the mind can imagine is coming from the mouths of American Spectator readers.

Is this what we've come to? Is spewing hate all we're capable of doing? From now on I will read the more civilized conservative sites.

Humane Sensitive Civility| 5.23.12 @ 1:08PM

Please sensitively convey a civilized comment regarding your humane position on abortion to capably lead by example the humane and sensitive and civilized comments you would recommend for American Spectator readers.

Ross Kaminsky | 5.23.12 @ 1:09PM

Anna,

My suspicion is that the hateful comments are mostly from leftists trying to make AmSpec look like a place full of racists, homophobes, and anti-Semites.

Please judge us by our writers, not comments which are so over-the-top as to almost certainly be attempts to harm us rather than true beliefs of the commenters.

In the meantime, I am trying to police the comments.

Jack London| 5.23.12 @ 1:49PM

"Please judge us by our writers"

Ha ha - you mean like the ludicrous paranoia spewing from the mind of Jeffery Lord? Or the economic illiteracy of you and Peter Ferrara? At least the Nazis make sense.

Anna Guyton| 5.23.12 @ 2:40PM

Mr. Kaminsky, I have to disagree with your assumption that the hateful comments are coming from Leftists. Perhaps a few are, but the majority come from this magazine's regular readership.

I have been reading AmSpec for months, and time and again I read hateful comments from regular, daily posters who express their approval of everything except Obama, abortion, gays, and blacks. Hate speech is all over this blog.

Or are you saying that nearly every commenter on AmSpec is a Leftist trying to destroy AmSpec's reputation as a reliable source of political comment?

Jack London| 5.23.12 @ 3:30PM

Anna, in case you hadn't noticed the Amspec articles are on the extreme conservative right, and often cross the line into coded hate speak. That's why the site attracts the Nazis and other human trash, and there's no sign that the site owners are ashamed of this and as you can see Ross at least also blames it on the left. It's simple really - don't fuel hatred and the haters will leave.

Occam's Tool| 5.24.12 @ 4:01AM

I am not a huge fan of suicide by anyone, and it should be noted that College is a perfect time, by age, for the first episode of psychosis, depression, mania, etc. It is the time, usually, where the dorsolateral pre-frontal cortex finally matures.

This is a sad incident. The ultimate rationale is locked in the mind of the kid who suicided. He destroyed his roommates life over a practical joke.

Purple Lips| 5.23.12 @ 10:42AM

Get over yourself. You obvioulsy haven't a clue what goes on in our college dorms. There is so much fornication going around that few would even care about the passions of a few gay men or women. For most students, college is nothing but a federally subsidized 4 year bachanallia. Why would they care about gays when they are probably doing the same to eachother?

Lips On Fire| 5.23.12 @ 5:44PM

They're doing the same to each other, all right. The college girls here at Princeton are pumping up their lips to give the guys a b***j**. And the guys are exercising their tongues going in and out of the girls p******.

And . . . there's some a** play also. Get over it, geezers.

Vago| 5.23.12 @ 8:39AM

This is one of the best examples of a kangaroo court, right? Is that the right way to use that American expression?

I just cannot imagine that this is not a matter settled solely at the university. The Ravi guy had nothing to do with the morally depraved freshman jumping. No court, judge, or idiot attorneys should be involved. Now do people know why we HATE the "legal profession?"

This is where sick parents (the one's who raised the jumper) seek to blame everyone else but themselves.

Why's this kid messed up (Jumper Gay Kid)? That kid's dad is why. Look no further than the dad.

Mike Hawk| 5.23.12 @ 8:42AM

WHy not the mother as well??

Vago| 5.23.12 @ 8:51AM

Yes, perhaps. But fathers set the tone. The man is to model and mentor. More in deed and behavior than even word.

BOTH parents are necessary -- man & woman.
But fathers have to father.

Just as women who are promiscuous -- look to the father to see the "whys." 1. Whether he was there in the home raising, earning, teaching, discininig; 2. How he lived, 3. His moral standards, 4. And most importantly: How he loved the mother.

A father lives right -- in the home, raising the family -- the kids have much better chances of being good, strong, capable, good ethics people the rest of their lives.

darcy| 5.23.12 @ 2:01PM

A very welcome dose of sanity. Thank you Vago.

Percy| 5.23.12 @ 5:45PM

Thank you Vagina.

...Is French For Poofter| 5.23.12 @ 7:58PM

Poofter said what?

Mary| 5.24.12 @ 10:45AM

Thank you, Vago. That is exactly what happened to me, why I was so promiscuous in my early 20s. Anything for someone to just touch me in a loving way, and sex was the closest I could get to that.

Occam's Tool| 5.24.12 @ 4:02AM

Oh, don't get me started on attorneys, most of whom are morons who would have flunked out of med school.

Louis Jenkins| 5.23.12 @ 9:01AM

Makes one wonder what the black churches, who disagree with the NAACP new pro-gay stance, are saying in the pulpit. But they're black and can get away with just about anything. Pray tell what is the difference between the minister in NC speaking his speal about gays and what the honorable Jeremiah Wright had to say about the whites? You remember, the chickens roosting. The black on white crimes these days are far and above the average norm, go gather the figures, and it's the white's fault? And this Ravi, he gets off light because of a video, which according to evidence, wasn't the reason why he committed suicide? Or maybe it's because gays have a tendency to commit suicide more often than the run of the mill person. Someone has to be blamed, so Ravi fit the bill. There's a war on, and it's against the WASPs, and if you don't believe me go ahead and look around on the internet. Sickening.

Albert Constantine Jr.| 5.23.12 @ 9:06AM

I believe the audio of "King Shabazz" of the New Black Panther Party expresses his opinion on whether he believes there is room for tolerance of homosexuality in his "movement".

darcy| 5.23.12 @ 2:12PM

Yes, it's most curious indeed that our Emory guests ignore the Jeremiah Wrights of the world. Moreover, if these Emory folks had an honest bone in their tendentious bodies, they would mill around the lefty blogs to see what hate really looks like, foul language and the rest. But then, that would cut the rug out from under their narrative and delegitimize their agenda: to congratulate themselves on being the great rooters-out-of discrimination, racism, and hate. It's the glass houses thing; no throwing stones when you live in a glass house.

How Flyover Country Sees This| 5.23.12 @ 9:44AM

**Any real parents -- the parents of the deceased -- would have pleaded with the justice system to not have this go to any court proceedings. They would vehemently say, "What good could come of that?" They would argue that it is wrong.

**Any real university president would have done the same, saying that the matter belonged solely within the jurisdiction of the school for any actions, if any were necessary at all.

The morally depraved and the mentally deranged in this American law-gone-mad case is a long, long, long list: The university officials that make dorm living Animal House, the university officials who are obviously not assigning enough homework so that the little miscreants have all kinds of time to do their mindless acts, the spineless university leadership which should have told the NYC law authorities to back off, the police who allowed this to proceed to criminal prosecution, elected officials who should have put the kabosh on this monkey court, the parents of Clementi who think they can achieve something in a court proceeding, the prosecutors who are undoubtedly using this whole sham for their personal resume enhancement/future career options, the judge, AND the media who don't heap coals of burning scorn on all the above.

And, of course, Tyler Clementi. No one is to blame but Tyler.

America: Land of the mindless.

Purple Lips| 5.23.12 @ 10:43AM

Perhaps our first Gay Kenyan President will opine on the matter latter this week. Can't wait.

J.J.| 5.24.12 @ 5:31PM

Lips, I thought children aren't supposed to post here. Please let the adults continue the conversation.

Stuart Koehl| 5.23.12 @ 11:21AM

Consider reversing the scenario:

A gay man makes a secret video of his straight roommate having sex with a woman. He posts the video on the internet. A short while later, the roommate kills himself.

Does anyone here seriously believe the gay man would be charged with a "hate crime"? At the very most, a violation of privacy laws, but a hate crime?

And the fact that the two scenarios do not result in symmetrical outcomes reveals the true purpose of hate crime laws: to elevate certain groups of people as protected classes at the expense of other groups of people.

The law should punish equal acts equally; if it does not doe so, it is inherently unjust.

Albert Constantine Jr.| 5.23.12 @ 11:47AM

"A gay man makes a secret video of his straight roommate having sex with a woman. He posts the video on the internet. A short while later, the roommate kills himself."

I think in contemporary America the video would go viral, and all survivors would have their own reality shows on "E" , "Bravo" or similar networks. The State of New Jersey would focus on how to collect the toll for the bridge from the dead youth's estate.

Stuart Koehl| 5.23.12 @ 3:39PM

No doubt. But it does point out the absurdity of both hate crime laws and their application.

Percy| 5.23.12 @ 5:47PM

Albert, you need to stop watching so much PORNO. You dirty old man.

...Is French For Poofter| 5.23.12 @ 7:59PM

Poofter said what?

Albert Constantine Jr.| 5.23.12 @ 9:01PM

Percy, I'd have you sent you all of the porn you could ever imagine if it would keep your hands off the keyboard.

Louis Jenkins| 5.23.12 @ 11:23AM

This from Taki Magazine:

Rounding out last week’s triumvirate of white-male auto-castrati was HuffPo contributor Bob Cesca, who not only acknowledged a media double standard when it comes to reporting interracial violence—he defended it! He insisted that the double standard “has to remain”—his italics—to help dismantle “the white-dominated American power structure” until that day in the distant future when we finally reach “full equality.” Despite the mountains of narrative-subverting evidence that has leaked out in the Trayvon Martin case in recent weeks, Cesca still says that he and other sensitive white males “can understand why African American activists like Al Sharpton and others are outraged.” Apparently he can also understand how Sharpton still retains a pinkie-fingernail’s worth of credibility after Tawana Brawley, the Duke Lacrosse scandal, the Crown Heights riots, the Jena 6, and now the Trayvon case, because I don’t understand it at all.

A bit off topic, but still a good article. Go to Taki Magazine and read.

Tim the Enchanter| 5.23.12 @ 12:12PM

Rule 1: No Poofters!

Stuart Koehl| 5.23.12 @ 3:39PM

Rule 2. No poofters.

Albert Constantine Jr.| 5.23.12 @ 4:42PM

Is your name not Bruce. That's going to cause a bit of a problem. Do you mind if we call you Bruce?

Stuart Koehl| 5.23.12 @ 5:17PM

Rule Two, no member of the faculty is to maltreat the Abbos in any way whatsoever - if there's anybody watching.

Rule three - no pooftahs.

Rule four - I don't want to catch anyone not drinking in their room after lights out.

Rule five - no pooftahs.

Rule six - there is no rule six!

Rule seven - no pooftahs.

That concludes the reading of the rules, Bruce.

Occam's Tool| 5.24.12 @ 4:03AM

Ahhh, my favorite philosophy departmen:
"Bruce, here, is in charge of the sheep dip."

Jack London| 5.23.12 @ 12:20PM

Ross, do you see any parallels with the 'thought crime' prosecution of people such as Tarek Mehanna?

http://www.salon.com/2012/04/1.....hanna_case

Stuart Koehl| 5.23.12 @ 3:40PM

If you can't see the differences, Jack, then there's no point in pointing them out to you.

Seek| 5.23.12 @ 12:26PM

Ravi's spying on his roommate certainly was unethical, but not criminal. This "case" never should have been prosecuted. The defendant has some growing up to do, but I don't see a crime here.

Stuart Koehl| 5.23.12 @ 3:41PM

Publishing the video without his permission probably did violate some privacy law or another, and in some states that's a felony. But it's not a hate crime.

jd| 5.23.12 @ 12:29PM

Wonder if Robert Kennedy Jr., who mentally tormented his wife, or his mistress who tweeted hurtful things, will be charged with a crime for Mary Kennedy commiting suicide? Where oh where are the thought police on that?

Stuart Koehl| 5.23.12 @ 3:42PM

I'm sure you know there is a Kennedy Exception to just about every law in the country.

Pat| 5.23.12 @ 12:30PM

If our American culture today was a living person, how would others see us? To a highly rational being, America would closely resemble a homeless person, pushing a cart stolen from a nearby supermarket, picking through garbage, unwashed, unshaven, wearing filthy clothes and muttering to ourselves about avoiding mind control drugs the CIA is trying to inject us with. Not a very pretty sight to be sure, but this article typifies just how far we as a nation have sunk without even realizing it. A depressed homosexual commits suicide, a voyeur and an insecure bully tweets about his roommate kissing another guy, a leading mainstream media outlet considers this news we should all want to hear and our vaunted justice system believes they have an agenda and a mission related to this tawdry tragedy.

This is America today. Our forefathers wouldn’t have believed we as a nation would sink to a level where a trite soap opera happening in real time is actually meaningful to many of us. But we’ve reached that level as a culture and gone well beyond - it isn’t comforting and it smells like human waste. We could seriously debate various aspects of this story but why would we want to? Hopefully, the cultural insanity which grips our society today hasn’t touched us all equally or done the same amount of mental damage.

But helped along by sophisticated mass communication, many Americans lack the mental balance to resist unimportant, insignificant nonsense like the facts and actors portrayed within this article. There are far more important, far more pressing issues which we as a nation need to deal with but collectively we’d prefer not to. Instead, like any homeless person, we drop by the free clinic to obtain prescription pills using our Medicaid card, we then sell our medication to buy a cheap bottle of wine and happily crawl off into the nearest alley to drink ourselves unconscious. We sometimes notice our reflection in passing shop windows, we no longer resemble that former person who once showed so much promise – and the pitiful part is we no longer actually care.

crossworked| 5.24.12 @ 1:00AM

Well said. One would think that 51% of all humans are homosexual based on the current media coverage. We are pandering to a non existent issue. I say we- I mean the media hype. If we need anything it is to understand the drunk you describe passed out next to a biological hazard dumpster that contains the remains of our own progenies lives. The ultimate hate crime is abortion. Why do we want to spend trillions of dollars to find life elsewhere when we kill our own lifeforms within us? I say this that maybe someone see this and know there are like minds. Love is not an emotion, it is a behavior. Love is the emotion you "feel" after you have done what you know is right.

crossworked| 5.24.12 @ 1:33AM

You know. Many do. I care.

As the Who said , who the F**k are you. Who are you? who who.

NotALibertarian| 5.23.12 @ 1:37PM

Mr. Kaminsky's article is on point, but he, as so many other conservatives, fails to point out the atrocious behavior of Gov. Chris Christie in this case. Gov. Christie did not hesitate to fan the flames of the PC mob by making inflammatory remarks condemning Ravi immediately following reports of Clementi's suicide.

Conservatives of all stripes should be calling Christie out on this. Let us hope that the current governor of New Jersey stays in New Jersey.

Pelleas| 5.23.12 @ 2:08PM

"However, a suicide note left by Clementi, which has not been made public, reportedly did not name the Ravi-related events as the reasons for his suicide."

IF it "has not been made PUBLIC"- WHO is "reportedly" saying --ANYTHING??

While I had my own doubts and concerns over this particular case--(NOT DOUBTING fer a second that "hate-crimes" are a very real problem..), the continuing anti-Gay filthy screeds from the writer of this article, and the comments here, are nauseating

(ahem)| 5.23.12 @ 2:32PM

"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

And more than a little nauseating, truth be told.

Pelleas| 5.23.12 @ 10:46PM

(ahem)

I find YOU to be MORE than a LOT nauseating, if the truth be told....

(ahem)| 5.24.12 @ 7:54AM

(ahem) is just quoting the Holy Bible, if truth be told.

Maybe you could get it convicted of hate speech.

Pelleas| 5.24.12 @ 10:34AM

( ahem) is not "quoting" any such thing.. the Bible actually uses the term "an abomination", if one wants to get technical about such things, not "detestable"

But since (ahem) lives strictly on the word of a book written by wandering tribespeople more then 3000 years ago,,,I am sure that same =said dude makes sure he never wears linen and wool together/eats pork or shellfish/ and stones his disobediant children to death---RIGHT?

How about the millions of us to whom the Bible is just a book of fairy tales, eh?

(ahem)| 5.24.12 @ 11:39AM

How in hell would someone like you know? After all, you lie with a man as one who lies with a woman, which is detestable, as anyone rational and moral knows:

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination"

Anyone so irrational and immoral they detestably lie with a man as one would lie with a woman could easily be expected to be so irrational and immoral they abominably claim the Bible is a fairy's tale.

Skippy| 5.23.12 @ 2:42PM

Hate crimes are nauseating, and when we take our nation back from the bloodsucking attorneys, they will be stricken from the books along with every other thoughtcrime.
"Wheter you like it or not!"

Stuart Koehl| 5.23.12 @ 3:43PM

What, pray tell, is a "hate crime"? Be specific.

Rational Liberal Thought| 5.23.12 @ 4:47PM

You far right extreme Nazi human trash coded haters can't even distinguish between crimes committed because of hate for the victim of the crime from crimes committed because of love for the victim of the crime??!!??!?!?!!!!????

Stuart Koehl| 5.23.12 @ 5:20PM

I confess I am obtuse enough not to perceive the difference. Put it down to my tiny, little reptilian conservative hypothalamus.

Rational Liberal Thought| 5.24.12 @ 10:13AM

I confess there is no such thing as rational liberal thought.

Stuart Koehl| 5.24.12 @ 3:26PM

And yet you are Rational Liberal Thought. Does not compute. Does not compute. Does not compute!

Rational Liberal Thought| 5.24.12 @ 7:51PM

I have a mine to really give you a peace of mind if I could just find rational in a dictionary.

do wat| 5.23.12 @ 5:50PM

A hate crime is the publication of AmSpec. Read today's comments, and you will see why.

do wat| 5.23.12 @ 5:54PM

A hate crime is octagonal and azure and fits easily into a breadbox.

Stuart Koehl| 5.24.12 @ 3:26PM

Shoving something octagonal and azure up your breadbox must hurt a lot.

Stan Redmond| 5.23.12 @ 2:24PM

This is truly frightening. TWO cases where convictions are settled and decided by mob rule. Zimmerman was pronounced guilty by the highest offices in the land. No matter the trial, no matter the MONTH LONG INVESTIGATION found Zimmerman's killing of Trayvon Martin a case of slef defense. No matter. The mob has spoken and Obama must have a racial divide to distract from him miserable presidency. Phony BS charges are brought up again, and if those charges don't stick (and they won't) not to worry. Zimmerman will be charged with "hate thought." And if that doesn't work "Civil rights violation." If that won't stick "Profilling."

This guy Ravi, the White - Indian (let's be consistant). Regardless of the real circumstances he must be destroyed. I forget which program Ravi was on but he explained his side of the story. BUT. The media found a new villain for a poor victimized gay man, who by the way, had a long history of depression and mental illness. Ravi, the White - Indian was railroaded for what the press does every single day. The Obama administration can destroy private citizens, dig through their garbage, and sling their sordid laundry non stop with the eager help of CNNMSNBCPBSNPRABCNYT.

Unbelievable. This is serious folks. Very serious. Mere thoughts are now criminal. Even if you don't have those thoughts you will still be convicted.

Melvin| 5.23.12 @ 4:03PM

Oh my God a homosexual killed himself. As we look back over the years how many homosexuals have killed themselves because they are unable to cope with this feeling, this emotion that they have boxed up in themselves, and it burns them to the point of causing them to take their lives.
But today, we must have blood, we must have vengeance, we must have someone to crucify in the court of public opinion. We must drag this misbegotten scoundrel through the cruelest of punishments for all to see, and only when their politically correct blood-lust is sated, will we allow the final nail to be hammered.
This Indian kid is ruined for the rest of his life, his family publicly shamed, to the point that they will never ever be able to walk in public again. for what to satisfy vengeful blood lust of the homosexual lobby? This is what happens when special protections are given to groups of whomever. They use this special legislated protection as if it were a bully club to pound those into submission for all the years and years of being forced to be in the closet and public ridicule, for they will have vengeance and what ever cost, and who ever gets in the way of this ill perceived justice.
Dharun Ravi did not kill or incite to kill Clementi. Clementi bears the sole responsibility of ending his own life, for reasons only know to him, and reasons surmised by others.
Dharun Ravi was a victim of a modern day Political Correctness lynching, Homosexual inquisition, and Heterosexual Witch Trial all rolled into one, and unfortunately he won't be the last.

Pete| 5.23.12 @ 4:51PM

Ravi's lawyers should have played the race card and perhaps invented a sexual element on their side as well. They could have claimed that Clementi called him a "filthy cow-worshiping dot-head" and that really hurt Ravi because he too was having homosexual feelings. Then how would the trial have gone? It sounds pathetic, yes, but was probably his best chance against this sort of charge. Pretty soon, law school will be unnecessary for this kind of case.

Hank Rearden| 5.23.12 @ 5:22PM

This prosecution is totally out of line. The only way the prosecution works is if you accept that gay sex is something "shameful" to use an old-fashioned word. But the whole point of the gay community is that (a) being gay and (b) having gay sex are NOT shameful.

With the conviction of this kid, the court, and by implication society, is endorsing the idea that gay sex IS shameful and that the Indian kid thus shamed Tyler Clementi by filming him.

As I understand it, this was not naked sex that was filmed, but merely two guys making out, which means kissing more or less. If a freshman were filmed kissing a girl would that be the basis for a prosecution?

All that said, this is not to minimize the tragedy of Tyler Clementi's killing himself. But that gets into the question of depression which is very likely unrelated to his being gay. At least we don't know one way or the other.

Stuart Koehl| 5.23.12 @ 10:31PM

The press seems to have ignored the many times in the past when they, or representatives of the Democratic Party and various liberal causes, have "outed" Republicans and conservatives (sometimes correctly, often falsely). I fail to see the difference between this case and those.

Pelleas| 5.23.12 @ 10:42PM

When...if EVER,,have Republicans been "outted"--FALSELY--???

AND-- WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN OUTTED-- it wa s due to their hypocritical behavior, in opposing BASIC AND FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS that Gay people in this Country are denied.. while at the same time those self-righteous politicos were fucking around with same-sex partners......

Occam's Tool| 5.24.12 @ 4:05AM

Pelleas: when Right wingers are caught, they resign...when left wingers are caught, nothing happens. Case in point: Barney Frank.

Pelleas| 5.24.12 @ 10:23AM

/O/T

That wasn't the accusation, and you know it... the poster pointedly said that Republicans had been "outted" by the press, FALSELY, AND I asked-- WHEN..?

With all due respects( which are rather few and very far between, I gotta confess), your "response" is rather typical of what one can expect from the rabid Right wing-- just a lot of fetid hot air,,,,

Stuart Koehl| 5.24.12 @ 3:27PM

So, it's fine to out somebody if it's true--which is what happened to Mr. Clementi. You need to reexamine your baseline assumptions.

Pelleas| 5.24.12 @ 4:41PM

NO... that IS NOT what I said..

It is only right to out someone IF they have been acting in a hypocritical fashion--by bashing gay people in public, while fucking with them in private

Stuart Koehl| 5.24.12 @ 8:36PM

So, outing people is OK if YOU don't like them. Interesting.

Hank Rearden| 5.24.12 @ 8:44PM

Alas, you are confused. It is possible to be something yourself and still be against public policies that involve that condition. For instance,I am fat. It is not hypocritical for me to be in favor ot "thin" policies or against policies that make people fat, for instance having junk food vended in schools. "Outing" somebody is basically a hate crime. That is essentially what the Indian guy was convicted of. You are making public something about a person that they wish to and have every right to keep private.

Pelleas| 5.24.12 @ 9:18PM

Hank..

"Outing" wasn't/shouldn't/ have been even the real issue, in this case . Invasion of privacy/ pure juvenial stupidity/ was, I feel the real crime committed here( and, a public service/ being kicked out of University/ hefty fine/ SHOULD have served as a fitting punishment --I DO NOT find this a "hate-crime" case, even as a Gay Man--although I do believe that "hate-crime" is a valid accusation in many other cases.

A POLITICIAN --or PREACHER-- who publicly rails against homosexuality( with the threat and fear of hell-fire and brimstone and prison and lack of the rights given to every other citizen)--and THEN either pays for, or (receives for free), the affections of someone of his /her own sex has nothing to do with your fatness, and/or you "supporting" thin policies--(whatever the fuck that means!?!) Do you stuff your face in private, while publicly making fun of other obese people?

talk about either being unbearably dense...or just purposely so...!!??

Hank Rearden| 5.24.12 @ 10:40PM

A politician ranting against homosexuality is a fantasy of yours. When and where? Some, but by no means all, preachers do so, although the word "rant" is a bit argumentative. You have lived a very happy life if everything you are is also everything you wish to be. The Bible speaks against homosexual sex. Whether you agree with it or not, the question here is why does the Bible do so? Because people engage in it! I.e., if nobody ever had homosexual sex, why would the Bible bother to mention it? The point is that it is part of the human condition to be drawn to homosexual sex at least for some people, but the Bible is telling believers not to engage in it even if they want to. You think you have discovered something profound that people who do not support homosexual sex also engage in it. That is called being a sinner, and if you are a believer, you know we are all sinners. Your point is that everybody who is homosexual should also want to promote homosexuality. But suppose they think it is a sin, even if they engage in it?

(ahem)| 5.24.12 @ 10:42PM

"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable" is absolutely crystal clear, yet you are unable to comprehend this absolutely crystal clear statement that, for instance, even a child can understand, that even a male adult so irrational and immoral he lies detestably with another male as one would a lie with a woman can understand.

Michael Burke| 5.23.12 @ 6:23PM

I am a gay man, and I entirely oppose "hate crime" laws. I do favor strong criminal sanctions against people who do actual things against people, but I believe in punishing the action, not the would-be thoughts behind the action.

First, it is not possible to establish with certainty what is inside someone else's head. Second, even if you could, thoughts should not be subject to government sanction. If you are beaten up, killed, or harrassed, the motivation of the attacker does not make the crime any better or worse. "While the mugger may have cracked my skull, at least he apparently isn't a homophobe!"

As far as this specific situation is concerned, Mr. Ravi should be punished for his direct actions: namely, his illicit recording and streaming of his roommate. Existing laws on such conduct should be enforced. But he is not responsible for the suicide. Suicide is never caused by someone else. It is due to clinical depression. I feel bad for all involved, but Mr. Ravi seems to be a jerk who committed a minor cybercrime, not someone to be equated with the guys who beat and killed Matthew Shepard.

Mike Giles| 5.23.12 @ 6:24PM

If Mr. Clementi desired privacy, why was he meeting his date in a shared dorm room? One would think that someone who desired privacy would get a room, as the saying goes. I'm intrigued. Suppose Mr. Ravi had refused to leave? Is it now alright for someone to commandeer their shared space for his own use.

Lucius Severus Pertinax| 5.23.12 @ 9:09PM

The smart play for this Revi kid is to appeal the the sentence, then immediatly leg it back to Mother India; f**k your 30 day jail term, f**k your 300 hours of indentured servitude, f**k your counciling, f**k your $10,000 fine and most of all, F**K YOU!!
Why? Because "Bias Intimidation" is a totally made-up crime with no real existance except in the alleged minds of some politically-correct pinheads.

So would I do, in his place. Granted what he did WAS stupid and insensitive; most 18 year olds are. But throwing him in jail and fining the hell out of him for a totally chimaerical offence is NOT going to improve his general attitude toward the United States MUCH.

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Albert Constantine Jr.| 5.23.12 @ 11:57PM

No treason op will keep you from getting the word out, but there are none so deaf as those who will not hear.

Keep on Keepin' on.

Anston| 5.24.12 @ 1:54AM

I just find it shameful that 18 year olds in their first semester are fucking in the dorms. I'm serious. Kidster hasn't even passed his very first set of semester exams, probably still hasn't yet found the campus science library, hasn't yet met a dean, hasn't chosen a major (and sought wise counselling for same), hasn't yet completed a really serious term paper, hasn't gotten a campus job to help pay some of his own expenses. Yet he's got lots of time to be devoted to fucking something.

Good riddance.

For all the fuckers -- leave the dorms. Leave campus. Pony up your own money and go shack up in a real hotel. Heck, leave college. If that's what you're into, get away from higher learning.

What exactly are the universities these days? Somewhat glorified whore houses?

Just be glad I'm not the parent of your roommate when I hear my kid (your roommate) comes back from a lab or the library to see your dick up someone's ass.

Maybe shithead was already suffering from syphilis. He certainly shouldn't be living the Leisure Suit Larry Life like he's already 25 and out in the world PAYING his own way. Shithead was only 18.

I bet his parents are as dysfunctional as a psycho ward frequent flyer.

Occam's Tool| 5.24.12 @ 4:07AM

Hey, I lost my virginity to a beautiful older woman my 1st semester, freshman year, and snagged a 4.0. (She was 21, I was 18)

Stuart Koehl| 5.24.12 @ 7:39AM

When you write about this--and you will--please be kind.

skip| 5.24.12 @ 9:56PM

Well, don't take it so hard. In all fairness to you, O.T., you were a virgin. Assuming it was on a scale of 0.0 to 10.0, and that she was a real beauty, your performance first time in could have been rated a lot worse than that.

J.J.| 5.24.12 @ 5:34PM

Anston, you never went to college, did you? It was that way when I attended school in the '80s. I also believe you have anger management issues.

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spike59| 5.24.12 @ 6:03AM

the guy, Ravi, is a d'bag...BUT if being a d'bag were a crime, 'Dear Leader' and his little dog 'Babbling Biden' would be serving life without parole in Leavenworth

Ouchsourced| 5.24.12 @ 9:28AM

While it's sad that someone died at their own hand, there is a silver lining. With that felony conviction, theres one H1-B that's not going to kick an American out of their job. Karma,

Charles Martel| 5.24.12 @ 6:24PM

This "hate crime" prosecution is an unconstitutional travesty in justice.

Why didn't they just execute him so he could face his accuser? [end sarcasm]

Abu Nudnik| 5.24.12 @ 6:37PM

What hate crime? He recorded without permission and broadcasted it. I think that's worth 30 days in jail... Let's not make more of this than it was.

Meggie| 5.25.12 @ 12:44AM

I agree. Little Ravi got off very lightly. The message here is that this sort of bullying will not be tolerated. Those of us who are parents should celebrate that.

sweeterjan| 5.25.12 @ 4:25AM

As if the bias intimidation law's usual implementation isn't bad enough, it also allows a http://www.ceinturesfr.com/cei.....-c-29.html charge of the attempt to commit bias intimidation. This is an invitation to prosecutorial intimidation and undue leverage, even blackmail, by any "minority group" member against other members of society.

Anson E. Long| 5.27.12 @ 7:01AM

Not caucasian? I think you misspeak.

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