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Another Perspective
Why I Won’t Sign Up for Facebook
Seven-eighths of the world can’t be
wrong.
As Facebook prepared to make its highly anticipated IPO on the New York Stock Exchange last Friday, I must admit I gave momentary consideration to buying a few shares.
Well, I didn’t and it’s probably just as well, given how the initial share price of $38 has fallen precipitously. But that’s not the reason I didn’t buy. The reason came in the form of an unexpected e-mail of an old socialist friend of mine. Now before anyone gets the wrong idea and voices their disapproval, I must tell you that this particular socialist is what I would describe as a happy warrior and they are precious few amongst their ranks. Even after I left the NDP back in Canada, he didn’t liken me to the anti-Christ and could still laugh at my puns. Anyone who can laugh uproariously at my peculiar brand of humor can’t be all bad. I last saw him about five years ago during a visit to Toronto.
In any case, my old comrade has spent the past eighteen months living in Paris doing freelance writing for unions, non-profits and anyone else who has a Euro to borrow or spare. He told me that he searched for me on Facebook but could not find me. I wrote back to tell him that I do not have a Facebook account nor am I likely to sign up for one. Why is this so? Well, I thought you would never ask.
First and foremost, it isn’t because I’m a Luddite who is part of The Anti-Social Network. On the contrary, having written articles online for nearly a decade for various conservative websites lends itself to inviting comment from the outside world. Naturally, I have had more than my share of contact with people and occasionally this has led to enjoyable and entertaining correspondences. Besides I’m not that hard to find. For those who feel the overwhelming need to seek me out, it’s not like I haven’t left plenty of clues on Google.
But as I get older I find there are fewer and fewer people with whom I want contact. More often than not I want to be left alone and signing up for Facebook isn’t exactly conducive to my Garboesque moods. What I particularly don’t want is to be approached by people who only made my acquaintance when I was younger because they wanted something for me other than friendship and now wish to renew acquaintances with me because they want something else from me other than friendship. I have spent good part of my adulthood forgetting many of the people from my childhood and I want them to stay forgotten.
Yet like most human beings I am full of contradictions. While I want to be left alone I also want company. However, I suspect if I were to sign up for Facebook and reach out to those select people I fear my friend requests would be overwhelmingly rejected. If I am going to be told to get lost I would rather it be to my face than in the impersonal anonymity of cyberspace.
Then there’s the part of me which thinks that if I do sign up for Facebook it will be the precise moment everyone decides to move on to something else rendering Facebook into another MySpace. I fear that if I sign up for Facebook that I will do it what I did to the popularity of Dwayne Wayne glasses when I took out a prescription for them more than twenty years ago. If there are trend starters then I am a trend stopper. The thought of rendering Kadeem Hardison unemployed twice in a lifetime would be too much to bear.
Also, I’m not sure how to upload pictures.
However, reassurance came in the form of Rich Lowry of National Review who in his most recent column asked, “Can 900 million people, the roughly one-eighth of the planet that uses Facebook, be wrong?”
Do you know what this means? It means that the other seven-eighths of the planet aren’t on Facebook. It means that I am not alone. Mind you most of those people don’t know where their next meal is coming from, have only the clothes on their backs and risk having their limbs hacked off if they say the wrong thing at the wrong time. What exactly is the Facebook status for someone whose life is nasty, brutish and short?
As for me, I have only but one status, Facebook or no Facebook. I inhale and I exhale. So will I ever sign up Facebook? Well, I could always change my mind. But if I did you would probably never know. So I wouldn’t hold your breath.
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Tom| 5.22.12 @ 6:49AM
Another reason not to have Facebook: its business model is essentially a "social media" facade on spyware. I had a Facebook account for a brief time, but dumped it after reading an article in the Wall Street Journal about how it tracks ALL of users online activities.
Creepy, Big Brother stuff.
Speaking of that, now let's talk about Google ...
Indy| 5.22.12 @ 7:49AM
Yep, read Search and Destroy, Google and FB are far left companies, they have too much power, nothing is private.
Von Mises Jr| 5.22.12 @ 12:45PM
All your personal data and pictures also exist forever in the FaceButt storage files. When working as a recruiter, employers looked this stuff up before producing an Offer Letter. So anything you say online can be used against you in the future.
Bill| 5.22.12 @ 10:25PM
I told my nephew that his facebook page made him look like he was 17. He just passed his bar exam. He had to clean it up. I also advised him to check out the facebook pages of anyone he interviews with. He can learn alot that will help him in an interview.
markenoff| 5.22.12 @ 7:21PM
If you're not paying for it you're not the customer. You're the product.
Perdido| 5.26.12 @ 9:05PM
Late, I know.
But Tom, don't you sign an Income Tax Form every year?
No privacy there and you sign away all your constitutionally guaranteed rights as well.
Pecos Pete| 5.22.12 @ 6:52AM
Facebook = Group Think = Failure (in due course)
Jack in Wi.| 5.22.12 @ 7:01AM
For once I agree with Aaron. There will be no facebook for me. How does Facebook expect to make the kind of money to pay any return on the huge investment people are sticking into that company? Who will use it if it is not free? Where is the revenue stream coming from?
Tweety| 5.22.12 @ 7:48AM
Don't you know, Jack? It is the latest world domination plot by the JOOS! Surely your paranoid mania has fed this information into whatever you have that in your case takes the place of a brain - or are the JOOS getting control of your pseudo-mind so that you can no longer spot them? Things are looking grim for you! Watch your children so they are not kidnapped for blood sacrifices. Watch out, too, for rabbis and Mosdsad agents after you with circumcision knives.
MikeBee| 5.22.12 @ 8:14AM
Jack,
Excellent questions. The answer lies in that newspaper which keeps appearing on my driveway twice a week. The one I don't have a subscription to. How can this guy stay in business, GIVING AWAY his newspapers? I note that he leaves one on almost every driveway in our neighborhood. I suspect that most of my neighbors get it free, too.
The answer is that, he is allowed to charge certain rates to his advertisers, rates dependent upon his paper's distribution. If he distributes 5,000 papers, he can charge X. If he distributes 20,000 papers, he can charge his advertisers X+. So, he doesn't need us to pay him a subscription. He simply distributes enough papers, whether or not anyone reads them, to be able to charge his advertisers to stay in business.
Facebook is following this same model. They can charge their advertisers a lot of money, because of the millions of hits their site gets every day. Google follows the same model. Unlike AOL and others, who charge a subscription rate to use their search engines, Google's is free of charge. Costs you nothing to use Google's search engine. Google is paid by its advertisers very well, because of all the hits it gets every day. That's also why I've stopped using Google, and use Bing. Google's owner is an Obama supporter. Using his search engine simply supports Obama, in the long run.
I, also, haven't set up a Facebook account, for a different reason. Every email you send through Facebook to someone can be read by all the people who have "friended" you. I'm not into that much publicity of my actions and expressed thoughts. Also, as Tom mentions above, Facebook tracks its members' online activities. Not for me. That's another reason I stopped using Google. They mentioned that they were going to begin tracking people's online activities, "to better serve them." No tracking for me, thank you.
Jhverpoten| 5.22.12 @ 11:56AM
I agree with what you are saying about Google, but not so sure we can really trust any any online "collector" of information, Bing included. We have sold our souls to the internet.
LiveFreeOrDie| 5.22.12 @ 3:31PM
Small point, bing is a microsoft product with the same issues.
Lost| 5.22.12 @ 5:48PM
Well bing is no better and may be worse. Since it is owned by Microsoft has a very high probability that it is. Microsoft has had phone home in its products for some time. Also if you want to say the owner of Google is an obama supporter well so is the owner of Microsoft.
Bing also has a new feature when you search, it also searches your "friends" to see if they may have the answer. Tracking to a new level.
Yes I know BillG does not own Microsoft but nor does anyone at Google own all of Google.
Tom| 5.23.12 @ 4:32PM
Facebook is an electronic tattoo you wear for the rest of your life.
No thanks.
Appleby| 5.22.12 @ 7:10AM
I have a facebook account because I want to keep track of some family members who otherwise have spent the past 30 years not visiting me. I have friends with whom I have been exchanging handwritten correspondence for the past 30 years, and I spend my Sundays writing notes to my Mama and my housebound Auntie, and I'd like to have other correspondents, but the modern kiddies wont' get in touch except by tweeting which I refuse to do -- mainly because writing requires reflection and thought, and tweeting requires twitching of your thumbs.
Or, as one of the Witches commented in MacBeth:
"By the pricking of my thumbs/something wicked this way comes."
P.S. Last night I took a bus home from Niagara Falls. The driver made it very clear that it was an express bus to Toronto. He announced this and he said "Everybody's going to Toronto, right?" 45 minutes after we got under way, a Tweethead came to the front of the bus and whined that he wanted to get off at St. Catharines -- why had the driver not stopped there? Because one Tweethead could not clear his ears long enough to understand that reality continued beyond the range of his thumbs, 54 peoplo were delayed as the bus driver (being Canadian) turned around and not only took Mr. Tweethead to the bus station but had to open the bus bay and search for his luggage ... and then try to0 make up the time he had lost because somebody could not put down his Binkie and unstop his ears long enough to ascertain his position in the Real World.
fmm| 5.22.12 @ 9:51AM
The bus driver made a big mistake in coddling this dunderhead. He would have made a lasting impression by stopping the bus and letting the clown off right there on the highway to find his own way back to his destination. More people need to understand that dunderheads need to take responsibility for themselves.
Appleby| 5.22.12 @ 7:53PM
An American bus driver would have driven him to Toronto and let him find his own way back to St. Catharines. Perhaps now and then he will put the Binkie down and unplug his ears, before he walks in front of a tractor-trailer or falls down a manhole, or someone on a runaway skateboard tramples him into the dirt.
sarah in nc| 5.24.12 @ 7:33PM
I think he punished the boy by bringing him to St.Catharines
LindaF | 5.22.12 @ 7:31AM
I do use FB, mostly to keep up easily with close friends and relatives. I used to accept Friend Requests, but have "un-Friended" many, and accept few now. For me, it's a quick check in the morning.
For some, it's the essence of life - they LIVE there, playing games, posting pictures, and updating their status every 10 minutes.
It's a tool. Like MS Office. To be used, but not overdone.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 5.22.12 @ 8:04AM
With FB you're an unpaid Zuckerberg employee.
Fielding Melish| 5.24.12 @ 5:10PM
Kind of like those people that write for HuffPo.
jd| 5.22.12 @ 8:05AM
From the very beginning, I have shunned Facebook for a number of reasons, initially mainly due to privacy issues. With my deep-seated and intense dislike of anybody and anything that constantly shouts "look at me" , it's not surprising that studies show most Facebook users have narcisstic tendencies. That's part of the problem with our currentl culture -- everybody wants to be noticed for something, or have their 15 minutes of fame, to the point that people lose much more then what they gain with Facebook. The whole business model reminds me of the overhyped dot.com industry, and we all know how that fared. Another reason I hate Facebook is Mark Zuckerberg himself. Anybody who idolizes Obama sums it all up for me.
PattyMor| 5.22.12 @ 8:08AM
I don't use Facebook, because I refuse to put my private information on the web for others to troll through. I also don't use Google, ever anymore.
Both are too connected to the government and I don't trust them. Call me a cranky, but I'm happy without texing, FB's, or Tweeting all day long.
Von Mises Jr| 5.22.12 @ 12:48PM
PattyMor, I am in 100% agreement with you. I have never texted nor gotten a tweet. I have two personal email accounts. One for people I want to reach me, and one that I erase all junk emails every couple days.
Facebook info stays in their storage forever, even if you erase it from all view.
Albert Constantine Jr.| 5.22.12 @ 8:15AM
Anyone looking for Aaron Goldstein and the kind of information and contact possibilities usually associated with Facebook should have no difficulty finding you here at TAS and AMSPEC Blog, particularly in light of your prolific posting and attentive responses.
I am curious, though, if you are ever mistaken for the Aaron Goldstein who is in the civil division of the Delaware Department of Justice assigned to the Department of Correction, as you bear some resemblance to him in the small inset photograph.
Aaron Goldstein| 5.22.12 @ 11:47AM
No, I haven't been mistaken for that Aaron Goldstein nor have I been mistaken for the Aaron Goldstein who is the attorney for the now incarcerated former Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich.
shipley130| 5.22.12 @ 12:04PM
LOL
Albert Constantine Jr.| 5.22.12 @ 12:14PM
Next time I talk to him, I will check and see if he is getting any of your inquiries, then.
TKRC| 5.22.12 @ 8:20AM
facebook is a crap idea.
facebook is a crap company.
zuckerberg is a douchenozzle.
i wouldn't buy this stock even if i had a gun pointed at my head.
dc| 5.22.12 @ 8:44AM
I'm not now, nor will I ever be, on Facebook, and I have decreed (with spousal cooperation) that my wife's presence thereon must be strictly limited, no photos of kids, no substantive information about where we go or what we do.
That said, Facebook is, objectively, not a "crap idea." It's a multi-billion $ idea. It's worth what people/the market will pay for it. Period.
It may be a "crap company." I neither know, nor care.
Zuckerberg, if he does indeed idolize Il Duce Nero, is a very wealthy jackass, fool, and danger to me and my family. If I had the opportunity to beat him to death, I probably would, and re-distribute his vast wealth to wounded American soldiers. But honestly I have better things to do with my time and mental energy.
THKrupp| 5.22.12 @ 9:14AM
Ironically Zuckerberg has given soldiers stationed in far off places a very good way to keep in touch with their friends and family. To the soldier this might be worth more than the money.
markenoff| 5.22.12 @ 7:26PM
Except that Al Qaeda has used Facebook to gather information about Soldiers' families to send them threatening emails and letters.
TKRC| 5.22.12 @ 1:43PM
"hey, let's create a site where a bunch of narcissistic 20-something classmates and friends can anonymously vote which fellow classmates are hotter than others."
that's how it all started back a Hahh-vahhd.
it was a crap idea then and it is still a crap idea now.
THKrupp| 5.22.12 @ 1:54PM
LOL but its very expensive crap
Cuffs| 5.22.12 @ 9:37AM
Excellent analysis!
David W| 5.22.12 @ 8:46AM
I have mixed feelings about Facebook (ignoring the Farmville, Mafia Wars, and other huge wastes of time). It's nice to be connected to family that I would never be connected to. However, I get friend requests from people I haven't seen since high school graduation night 35 years ago.
However, I have decided to use Facebook to push conservative values. I had a "friend" post a poster that asked us to make a choice between Ayn Rand and Jesus (a specious choice I know). I figure I can start posting anti-obama posters and sayings in return. This may be one way to get the conservative message past the MSM censors.
If I lose facebook friends so be it.
Fast Eddie| 5.22.12 @ 11:22AM
I am on FB for the same reason you are, and am also often posting conservative cartoons and videos to tweak the noses of my union, democrat liberal family members. Being good empty headed liberals, some have blocked my posts and at least one has "unfriended" me. The open minded liberals are so much fun.
My niece is one of the family members who does the opposite - posts all of the left wing stuff she can find from HuffPo, MoveOn, and MSNBC. Her husband is - oddly enough - a union public school teacher! I wonder why she's so left-wing ?
I swear I don't know what happened to her but I think having a loser for a husband had some impact. She used to be more conservative, and if her father (my stepbrother) saw her today, he'd be rolling in his grave.
SFC_Swede| 5.22.12 @ 6:47PM
I concur. The left dominates the social media sites. And like ti or not, so do a massive portion of the American people. So as I see it...we can roll over and cede another media outlet to the Left, or we can join and spread our message out to the sheep.
Sure you might get "defriended", hell I have even been reported for posting on FB. But I refuse to give the Left another avenue to indoctrinate the drones out there who glom onto every 30 second scare message.
Susan Benton| 5.22.12 @ 8:55AM
No way I'm going to use facebook after reading this. I already get 50-100 emails a day. The last thing in the world I need is to receive ANY emails about other people's kids, summer vacation, cute pets, etc., etc., As it is I often get invitations to become someone's 'friend' via facebook and I don't know who the hell they are. Someone advised me to join a similar social network for employment, but frankly it was a waste of time and all the people I did connect to were either not in my field or were looking themselves. ARRGH!
Denver todd| 5.22.12 @ 9:02AM
I quite Facebook because that is not the way I want to conduct a relationship. I was giving people easy access to my life, but allowing them to not to do real connecting, which takes work. I also was bothered by knowing how much other people had a better life than me.
Buck Bradley| 5.23.12 @ 10:43AM
I'm guessing you can't tell how "good" someone's life is from their facebook page anymore than you can ascertain the f*ck-ups people have made by looking at their resumes......
emilio lizardo, PhD| 5.22.12 @ 9:03AM
Nobody gives a f**k why Aaron or anyone else here uses or doesnt use Facebook. The sanctimony is unbelievable. Not quite as bad as the few remaining Luddites and schmucks who still dont use email. And no I dont have a Facebook account.
sanctimilio sanctimo, PuD| 5.22.12 @ 10:25AM
Yet everybody f**king knows you piously, self-righteously, priggishly claim a f**king smug, unctious, holier-than-thou PhD.
Tina B| 5.24.12 @ 2:48PM
That was pretty funny, PuD.
shipley130| 5.22.12 @ 11:58AM
I personally find it interesting to see people shutting their facebook account down. Speak for yourself, Mr. P H D.
Skippy| 5.22.12 @ 3:01PM
Elmer PhD.
Anna Keppa| 5.23.12 @ 12:03AM
Emilio, everyone knows that the reason you don't have a Facebook account is, one fine day you woke up to learn that you were Unfriended by the Universe.
Renard| 5.24.12 @ 8:47PM
Wow! Forget to take your meds?? I won't use fb either, don't text (don't even own a cell phone), and live a pretty simple life. Surfing the Internet and watching old Westerns on-line on my desktop are my two modern-day vices.
Renard| 5.24.12 @ 8:50PM
My reply was directed at Emilio, and not you, Anna. I have no idea why it landed under your post, Anna.
Frank Drackman| 5.22.12 @ 9:05AM
REDSOX SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THKrupp| 5.22.12 @ 9:10AM
Facebook is a good way to keep track of friends and family that live far away. From the comments here it seems like most people dont really understand what Facebook or how to use it. It actually helps me to maintain contact with people that I know. Its pretty much up to you to decide how much information you want to put on it, who you want to share it with or if you can even be found on it. Much like the telephone its a tool for communication. I spend about a minute or two every day keeping up with what friends and family are up to. Its rather nice. I never used to communicate much with my cousins spread out over the USA now I keep up with their lives. I do have to say that some people use it as a forum to complain about their lives and that becomes tedious, but then its very easy to unfriend them.
scotchieguy| 5.22.12 @ 11:24AM
It IS a good way to keep up with friends and family. But so is conventional email. The problem with FB is it is basically show and tell for adults/teens. Narcissism literally knows no bounds with the advent of social media, the digital camera, and a generation or two of the most spoiled brats in the history of the planet.
Probably the worst aspect of FB is the entire concept of "friends." When I was on it briefly a few years ago, it seemed like the most important thing was the scoreboard--how many friends one had. It always reminded me of a line from Razor Boy (Steely Dan), a cynical line if there ever was one, "But how many friends must I have to begin with...to make you laugh?"
THKrupp| 5.22.12 @ 12:07PM
I agree, but to be honest theres not a single picture of me on my fb account except if Im in a group. There are people who are all about themselves there but its not facebook that made them that way. They were already narcissists. Email isnt as efficient. In a brief glance I can see whats going on with friends and family. I can comment on a funny picture or statement. Its fun. You are right though some people take it way too far. It is what you make of it. If you want it to be all about who has the most friends then thats what it will be for you. If you want it to be all about playing a game it can do that as well. My mother was on it for about a week then quit because she felt strange because she said it felt like she was snooping into other peoples lives. Im very comfortable with people knowing whats going on in my life. I dont put anything up that is negative. I put pictures up of places I have been and food that I have eaten. Anything that I am interested in really. My family likes it because they can relate to my stories a lot better now. Its an easy place to store pictures with captions and a timeline. If someone doesnt feel comfortable with it they shouldnt use it. If a person doesnt want some information getting out then they shouldnt put it on there. You can set your privacy levels so that no one can even find your name in a search. Its a tool like many others that we have for communcating, nothing more nothing less. It is what you make it.
Tom| 5.22.12 @ 3:08PM
THKrupp - Finally a reasonable post in the midst of so much vitriol. Where's the "like" button?
THKrupp| 5.22.12 @ 5:18PM
Thanks Tom
Tina B| 5.24.12 @ 3:19PM
Yes, TH, you said what I was thinking and better than I could've. To many people like me, who want to see a colleague's new baby or wedding pictures, family vacations I wish I had joined but couldn't, my crazy nephew's latest video-shorts from USC film school, and so much else that I can catch up on a few times a week, commenting whenever I want to on funny things my friends say, political or spiritual when it's appropriate, and just have some nosy fun, it's great.
I, too, have unfriended a couple of sweet people. The woman who put up 35 posters a day with Christian "inspirational" messages, which I found didn't inspire me at all, and the other woman who also posted dozens of inspirational quotes daily along with her personal inane interpretations, both violated my own personal quality not quantity limits.
Perdido| 5.26.12 @ 8:55PM
Tina.
Over a period of a couple of weeks post up some serious, hard hitting, conservative articles or your own thoughts.
You'll be amazed at how much of the inane chatter self-eliminates...
FastJohnny| 5.22.12 @ 9:25AM
Aaron makes a point that mirrors one of the main reasons why I have thus far not signed up for an account on facebook: privacy. I really do not want to know what many people are up to, I definitely do not want them to know what I am up to and I prefer not to 'talk' to quite a few of those people as well. It is not that I am anti-social, in fact I am just the opposite, I just enjoy my privacy, alone time and quality time with my wife and kid. I prefer a more intimate circle of friends, rather than pretending to be the center of attention with thousands of 'friended' people and I certainly have seen through the phenomena of how people on facebook imagine all out of proportion how popular they are and their falsely imagined celebrity status. Sometimes it seems to me that many of m friends and those I know that use Facebook a lot, get this strange attitude that they are starring in a role in their own little movie about their life.
I enjoy not being contactable by some people and like being able to do what I want on the computer, smart phone or whatever without being obligated to accept people as friends or see how they updated their status with something so mundane that they now see as big news. Yes, someday I might have to sign up for business sake, but for now I feel good about not being there.
Something about the frenzy of facebook seems immature to me, the same way those people I grew up with who are still going to happy hour every week with the same people they went to HS and college with even though they are now in their late forties. Just my take.
scotchieguy| 5.22.12 @ 11:27AM
I agree with you 100%. It is nothing but child's play. Can you imagine your parents doing that when they were in their 30's or 40's?
Herb| 5.22.12 @ 1:21PM
No Facebook for me. I have email. And if I haven't heard from someone in thirty or forty years, there's a reason.
Rich Fisher| 5.22.12 @ 9:32AM
I agree with Aaron, I do not have nor do I ever intend to have a Face Book account. My wife seems to revel in gleaning all the dirty little secrets about people we know and their kids, which I find disgusting. I've tried to explain to her that Face Book is nothing more than a "legal peeping tom" site set up for people who have nothing better to do than tell everyone about their latest bowel movement, complete with pictures. I'm so sick of the "cutest" whatever in the world on Face Book and You Tube that I could barf. No, your kid, dog, cat or pig is not that cute, not that much different from anyone else and who really cares if they can suck milk up their nose with a straw while whistling Dixie standing on one foot. Face Book is cheap vouyurism and creepy at best. If you have time to troll Face Book for relationships then you have time to pick up a phone and call someone to nurture a real realtionship. Get over yourselves, people, nobody that has a real life cares what you did today.
Not Special Ops Bill| 5.22.12 @ 9:49AM
I recently tried to get out of Facebook. I couldn't find an easily-accessible method of ending my involvement (I couldn't find a difficult one either), so I just deleted as much of myself as possible. It seems to have done the trick; at least I can't access my own site, so I assume others can't either. Facebook is like Cost Nostra or something; it's easy to get in, not so easy to get out.
shipley130| 5.22.12 @ 12:00PM
You have to go to the privacy tab. That is where deactivate is located.
Not Special Ops Bill| 5.22.12 @ 12:05PM
I found it. Thanks for the tip.
Dr. X| 5.22.12 @ 9:50AM
I'm gonna write a song, and the lyrics are going to be:
"I'm not on Twitter
'Cause I'm not a twit
I'm not on Facebook 'cause it's all full of shit"
Facebook is nothing but a big cyber high school. The herd mentality on the cloud. Can 900 million people be wrong? YOU BET they can, especially if that effeminate little turd Lowry is one of them.
I am a proud Facebook denier.
SUBVET| 5.22.12 @ 11:51AM
Hey DOC................you forgot texting.
I started my business in 1971 and still going strong. I attend a monthly meeting for like contractors in our area. All the rage is this social media.
The speakers say you have to be able to text to say current and up with the times....I say BS.
I built my business on a "personal" relationship. Email is about as far as I go. We have come to a place where kids out of college submit resame's by email. They are scaned for trigger words and then you might get an interview.
I might be old school but face to face is the only way I will hire........words don't mean sh*t to me I want to know them on a personal level.
What happened to picking up the phone and saying "how are you doing son".
THKrupp| 5.22.12 @ 12:23PM
You are exactly right about hiring people from face to face contact...even that can be misleading. The problem comes when you have 40 jobs to fill and you have 4000 applications. Surely you dont interview everyone on of those people face to face. There has to be some sort of sorting involved. Even interviewing 10% becomes a huge logistical nighmare.
Ouchsourced| 5.22.12 @ 11:32PM
College kids (or anyone else) don't have a option. All technical firms only accept resumes online. Some actually tell you not to call or you're disqualified.
Theses days companies hire units, not people, and use software to choose them.
Truncheon| 5.22.12 @ 9:51AM
The Facebook theme song was written by the Beatles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dsz4dB6DuM
fmm| 5.22.12 @ 9:59AM
I put facebook in the same class as Christmas letters, which go into the round file without being read.
Petronius| 5.22.12 @ 11:58AM
fmm
Go to Kirov-Renshaw.blogspot.co.uk
Then look them up on Facebook
Enjoy.
Skippy| 5.22.12 @ 3:06PM
"Christmas letters go into the round file without being read."
So when family and friends, whose lives are at least as busy as yours, try as best they can to make contact, you shitcan their efforts 'cuz it's soooo unhip to read a letter that wasn't written just to you?
What a jerk. May your funeral pass unnoticed.
Pat| 5.22.12 @ 11:01PM
Skippy- the Christmas letters I have received- have generally been exaggeration/bragging/at times out right lies. Just like what people put on Facebook.
Anna Keppa| 5.23.12 @ 12:07AM
I guess you missed that Christmas message about "Good well toward men."
Or maybe your childhood was spent receiving well-deserved lumps of coal in your Xmas stocking?
FastJohnny| 5.23.12 @ 9:27AM
Ahhh, give it a rest. I think he means the Christmas cards from those who only send them because they have to, are just observing convention and/or looking to brag about how well their nerd of a son or daughter is doing as compared to your family. I know what he means. I am sure that there are Christmas cards from the people that matter and then there are the rest who are fakers in a Hallmark Holiday phenomena.
Perdido| 5.26.12 @ 8:48PM
Man up, fmm. Write them and tell them exactly what you do with their Christmas letters.
Both of them, if there are two, that is.
nathan| 5.22.12 @ 11:02AM
The left/right issue not withstanding, the main issue with FB is security controls. The latest issue of Consumer Reports (yes I realize there are left/right issues with that magazine too) have some really good suggestions about how to limit the threat if you and your family use it. (Among other things, no you don't have 500 "friends".)
The key with kids is, kids have no expectation of privacy, parents have to know their passwords, any attempt to hide things mean computer priviledges get taken away for a month except for monitored homework assignments.
Furthermore the computers kids used are out in the open where any and all adults can pass behind them at any time and see what's on the screen. Again, kids have zero privacy rights and a letting them have a computer in their own room where they can do things away from prying eyes is a recipe for disaster.
And cell phones? For minor kids, primarily for safety. And again, no beloved daughter of mine, you don't have any privacy on that either. I get to see everything and if I catch you hiding things on that phone, I'll take it and smash it. One of my pet peeves, and I've made this clear to the children in my life, is quit using "texting" when you write. I've learned a fair number of languages, I don't feel like learning another at my age, and I want some sense that you're actually learning something at the school we send you to. Proper English at all times please.
Parenting is harder today than it was in the 6o's. Arguably the threats are more difficult to monitor. But make the best effort anyway. The kids come before your golf game, before shopping with your friends, before girls/guys nights out.
THKrupp| 5.22.12 @ 12:30PM
Im not sure that its harder...and to be honest I dont have any kids...but when I compare how my parents parented vs how my brother and his wife do...its completely different. As small children we would disappear for the entire day. I can remember being down in the woods all day long only coming back home when it was dark. We were always up to no good. We set the house on fire on at least one occasion, set off old shotgun shells we found with a hammer and screwdriver, buried animals alive just to see how long they would last. My nephews will never have these types of experiences. My sister in law pays a lot more attention to what the kids are actually doing. Parents back in the day didnt pay attention for the most part. My brothers and I all turned out well depending on how you define success. My nephews will hopefully turn out better than us.
nathan| 5.22.12 @ 12:54PM
You're right about the disappearing part. On Saturday we go over to a friend's house, we took our bikes, went EVERYWHERE. I think we have the notion that it was a more innocent time (the 60's) than now. Maybe or just with its own set of dangers which we tend be less consci0us of.
I've taken safety training courses, I've passed that on to the kids in my life (some of whom live abroad). But I remember what my mother told me. I asked her how she survived two teenage sons getting driver's licenses and then going off on their own. She just smiled and said, "I put you in God's hands." And for Christians, that is the answer, we put the children in our lives in the only hands that matter, God's.
THKrupp| 5.22.12 @ 1:05PM
LOL indeed so true. Im sure thats the only way I survived
Tina B| 5.24.12 @ 3:24PM
Oh Nathan, you make my heart sing, as well as the heart of God. Aahhh.
Perdido| 5.26.12 @ 8:41PM
They will not question authority.
Sneak in there and plant some seeds, man!
Perdido| 5.26.12 @ 8:45PM
Decoy Page.
cowgirl| 5.22.12 @ 11:10AM
Five years from now some one will say facebook and everyone will reply "Facebook"? What is that...
Perdido| 5.26.12 @ 8:38PM
And those everyones will be suffering from very bad short term memories.
KyMouse| 5.22.12 @ 11:14AM
The concepts of "privacy" and "reticence" have little meaning for younger folks in my family. They tell everyone everything on every form of "social media."
"Friend" is a word whose meaning has changed. "Acquaintance" is the most that could be said about the vast majority of people who are "friends" on my young relatives' social media pages.
A funny example of this generational difference:
Recently, a young woman I know told me about how her husband proposed to her. He did it the old-fashioned way, in private, quietly. No stadium full of spectators, no crowded airliner.
When I said how nice it sounded, she said, "But I had no one to share it with!"
SUBVET| 5.22.12 @ 11:56AM
KM...........do you know the difference between an "Acquaintance" and a "Friend" ??????
You would invite a "friend" to dinner.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 5.22.12 @ 11:17AM
I wonder if Grover Norquist has a FaceBook account?
ShalomMetsJets| 5.22.12 @ 11:24AM
Ultimately, Facebook, and similar sites (Myspace, Twitter, etc...) are just a waste of time.
Jhverpoten| 5.22.12 @ 11:42AM
I read an article some months ago, I forget the author, he said something to the effect of, "if you are not paying for it, you are the product", I don't want to be the product. They make billions for selling me and I get to see that my cousin had a glass of wine and watched a sunset yesterday? No thanks.
Al Adab| 5.22.12 @ 11:45AM
Ask Dick Morris what the Obama campaign is doing with facebook members. There is a giant facility in Chicago full of campaign staff using facebook posting to identify potential voters, their interests and issues in order to tailor campaign rhetoric to their thinking. Nothing must stand in the way of victory as, after all, the ends (of keeping power) clearly justify the means.
shipley130| 5.22.12 @ 11:50AM
I deactivated by FB account a few days ago. I knew I as right in doing that when I read a story about FB deleting photos that woman had posted of her child that had some sort of a disease and she wanted to spread awareness. Besides, it takes forever to download pictures on FB, so it's really outgrown it's usefulness. I'm sticking with e-mail.
NoGoBlue| 5.22.12 @ 12:20PM
Is there anything of interest on Facebook?
spike59| 5.23.12 @ 6:41AM
it depends...what's your opinion of 5,000,000 cellphone pics of chubby teenagers making 'duck lips' in front of the bathroom mirror?
THKrupp| 5.22.12 @ 12:47PM
Its interesting reading the comments. When telephones came out nothing was private, was someone that could always find out what you were saying. You had party lines and actual switch board operators that could overhear everything. Being angry at facebook is like being angry at a telephone. Telephone companies made money from you using the telephone. No one is forcing anyone to use facebook. If you dont like it bully for you, but to be angry about it and to label everyone that uses it as narssesistic is kinda silly. To hate it because of Mark Z getting rich is silly too. Everyone has enriched someone else that does not share the same outlook on life with you. Its almost guaranteed that everyone here has something in their home made in China. That being said no one is forcing anyone to use any of this stuff. I dont use twitter because I just dont see the point and I really dont understand it. Everything we do is a waste of time. We are only on this earth for a short period of time. Everything beyond basic survival is arguably a waste of time. Not many people will even be remembered 20 years after they are dead. We all have the freedom to choose how we spend those precious hours we have alloted to us. Using facebook isnt any worse or better than watching a TV show. We have all wasted countless hours on things that dont really matter.
Steve A| 5.22.12 @ 1:06PM
Yeah, really.I just wasted 45 seconds reading your post.
THKrupp| 5.22.12 @ 1:27PM
You are correct, but it was your 45 seconds to waste. Do with your time what you want.
Tina B| 5.24.12 @ 3:30PM
Right again, TH. And Facebook can be used to the good in many instances. But there is a lot of unnecessary condemnation going on here about something most people appear to misunderstand. TV is a very good comparison. I wonder if more than 50% of the FB naysayers are hooked on TV, or gaming? To each his own if used in moderation.
THKrupp| 5.22.12 @ 1:04PM
The biggest waste of time is being angry at something that you dont use and doesnt really affect you. Life is way too short to waste it being angry on things like that.
Who Knows?| 5.22.12 @ 1:07PM
What is Facebook?
Narcissus on steroids. On stilts.
Pat| 5.22.12 @ 10:57PM
So true.
spike59| 5.23.12 @ 6:39AM
Amen!
Derek Leaberry| 5.22.12 @ 2:02PM
Facebook is just another gimmick but typical of a gimmicky and childish people. It's about as bad as text messaging, tattoos, nose spikes, 50 inch televisions and the like. Dining out with my wife at The Narrows on the rural Maryland Eastern Shore last Saturday, eight teens sat at the table next to us as it was prom night. Within minutes of sitting down the children were all text messaging rather than enjoying their food and the waterfront atmosphere at the restaurant. I would have had more respect for the little urchins if one of the boys pulled out a fake ID and ordered the table proper drink for such an occasion.
The Big E| 5.22.12 @ 3:44PM
I do not have a facebook account, but have nothing against the company or those who avail themselves of the company's services. I suspect, however, that a lot of the money invested in the IPO will disappear. Facebook is, after all, a fad, and like all fads, will disappear from prominence once something "cooler" comes along, and something "cooler" comes along. Then the SEC will get involved, some Congressman will discovery a soapbox they can get on to distract the voters from their own pseudo-criminal activities, and Mr. Zuckerberg will be pilloried, rosecuted, and punished for making big bucks off a popular fad.
That does seem to be standard story arc these days.
My wife has been pushing me to get a Facebook account for a couple of years now. I tell her that if she can find a couple of hours a day for me to play around on facebook to let me know so I can put them to some other beneficial use.
Oh, and by the way, for all of you who object to using Facebook because of "privacy" or "security" concerns, do you honestly believe that there is anything you could possibly reveal on Facebook that the Feds don't already know about you?
True privacy in this country died long ago, and security is nothing but an illusion anyway. Don't kid yourselves.
W| 5.22.12 @ 3:49PM
Privacy was lost with the IRS. Your tax return tells the government everything about you. Your job, children, charitites, expenses, savings, investments, etc.
The Big E| 5.22.12 @ 5:13PM
Exactly. We're required to tell the IRS everything they might need to track us down and make our lives miserable every year, and yet some people are concened about what the government might learn from what's posted on Facebook. It's a drop in the ocean.
Buck Bradley| 5.23.12 @ 10:27AM
Re your last comment, so just because the government could call up every detail about me if they should take an interest, I shouldn't care if my neighbors and co-workers ALSO know all my business? Do you see what is wrong with your statement now? Or are you ready to throw out all the drapes and blinds in your windows at home? After all, the government already knows about your investments, so why SHOULDN'T the neighbors see you naked?
Stan Redmond| 5.22.12 @ 5:02PM
I don't use facebook. Or google for that matter. As a small manufacturing business I want to tightly control what information I put out about myself and my company. Both because I'm a private person and so the competition can't get one up on me. i can't believe how many manufacturing companies post photos of machinery and fixtures they have spent a lot of money of for all to steal.
As for investing forget it. Facebook? 100 billion dollars? They produce nothing. They would have to resort to something completely new on their service that would instantly wipe out their site. This will mean more and more invasive popup ads or guerilla marketing schemes that will piss off most users. What if they start charging a subscription? They will jump the shark eventually and it will remain as a presense with no growth and no innovation like Yahoo or myspace.
Thom| 5.22.12 @ 6:39PM
A very long time ago in “IT” terms, when a computer occupied an entire floor of a multi-story building and the only way to remotely interact with it was through a PDP-11 teletype terminal, a very wise person with a decade of security experience told me at the beginning of my career if you want to keep something private or secret you don’t do these two things:
One, place that information on a computer (washing machine sized disk drives at the time) and two don’t connect a phone line to that computer. Back then a 300 Baud line was considered “high speed” and several thousand a month rental fee.
Nearly 40 years later and after the computer business and associated businesses it has spawned have re-invented themselves and new terms for the same “data processing” terms used 4 decades ago, there is not a day that goes by where this man’s wisdom is not on parade with our societies’ overwhelming narcissistic impulses to show and tell somebody/everybody something personal about us or our lives and then wonder why identity theft is such a growth oriented business model right along with anti-virus and similar such applications of trying to undo the consequences of what that man was warning about 4 decades ago.
Facebook, MyButt, YourButt, OurButt and similar fads will ultimately make a whole new class of criminals and State Security folks very wealthy and happy. If you understand the real world differences between what is called cyber security and physical security you’ll appreciate why that man said what he said. If not you may come to appreciate it in time.
We are all to varying degrees dependent upon all this interconnected technology and it would be difficult to impossible to even post what I’m saying here and have more than say a dozen people read this without it but there isn’t a day that goes by where there isn’t a large scale data breach somewhere and the more a person’s web presence the higher the incidence of identity theft and serious consequences to your life.
Think your personal info is safe in MyButt? Think your information can’t be collected and profiled in such a way to take advantage of you? Think again.
bluecollarbytes| 5.22.12 @ 7:41PM
facebook is like a replacement community for some. It's a sterilized alternate fakey universe minus the 'smells' and complications of real life.
But it has its uses to others and that's great.
It's also a tool sometimes for law enforcement investigating the latest shootist.
It's a mixed bag.
Jones | 5.22.12 @ 8:08PM
I think I can sum up all the above comments:
"Get off my lawn."
Ed| 5.22.12 @ 10:37PM
"Anonymity is the best disguise"
No. 2
Pat| 5.22.12 @ 10:55PM
Facebook is boring. Smart parents don't let their kids have a Facebook account. In my kids school, the kids who have big plans don't have Facebook accounts. Facebook is like being sent a million boring Christmas letters- when you hated receiving even the one. I haven't joined Twitter either- but it certainly is more fun than Facebook. I don't know anyone who uses Facebook on a regular basis anymore.
Tucker Latham| 5.22.12 @ 10:58PM
"Seven-eighths of the world can't be wrong."
ARGUMENTUM AD POPULUM
Thank goodness I didn't actually have to read the article.
Anna Keppa| 5.23.12 @ 12:09AM
A pity you don't know the difference between snark and an "argument".
Paul A'Barge| 5.22.12 @ 10:59PM
Dude, you say you're not a Luddite. You're totally a Luddite. Just saying.
spike59| 5.23.12 @ 6:38AM
I hope you don't tell people you're literate. You're "totally" not.
POST American| 5.22.12 @ 11:29PM
FaceBook --like Google, Apple, Twitter,
Microsoft, is a front of the NSA and DARPA
----ON RECORD.
They're there to addict you,
subvert your private space and sense
of self ---and, for data collection,
tracking, eavesdropping and surveillance.
IBM had to cede place back in the 1970's
to a new wave after it was embarassed by
documented disclosures of its KEY involvement
with Auchwitz -er ---EUGENICS management.
"The first computers were, IN FACT,
developed by EUGENISTS ---for EUGENICS."
-Alex Jones
'ENDGAME'
TRUE!
----Steve Jobs, though surely a brilliant
and dedicated innovator ---was chosen
from among many. Indeed, his 'positive'
sounding name, and the fact that he was
emotionally 'ripe' for total work-a-holic
stardom having grown up without a father,
also, undoubtedly, were factors.
Bill Gates is now revealed to be nothing less
than a third generation Rockefeller EUGENICS
linked front op.
-------Zuckerberg ---again, was probably selected
on the basis of his sychophancy and compliance,
lack of scruples, and again, ---the name---
-----------------------------------SUCKER----BORG.
---You can almost hear the giggling!
"By 2000, EUGENICS had shed much
of its NAZI baggage."
By 2012, NAZISM itself is shedding much
of its NAZI baggage.
-POST American
-------------------------------This the 11th hour.
Mr. Grady| 5.23.12 @ 4:38AM
A few people I know used to badger me now and then to join FB. I finally asked why I should. They told me you could make contact with just about everyone you've ever known in your life. I then asked, "Why the hell would I want to do that?"
They stopped badgering me to join FB after that.
the friendly grizzly| 5.23.12 @ 6:25AM
I have... (thinking), presences on three social websites. None of them are FaceBook, MySpace, or any of the other massive ones. My presence is on sites for specific interests. One is, for example, for men who have beards. We discuss every topic imaginable, including grooming, public acceptance, etc. We have women as participants; generally they admire, or are married to, men with beards. One of our members was a Viking in the CapitalOne ads.
The common thing these three sites have is a total lack of advertising. I am sure the Federales are monitoring these sites, but at least I am not "the product".
As for things like FaceBook, MySpace and the like: I don't see the point. As one person above put it: if you've not heard from someone for 30 or 40 years, there's a reason.
spike59| 5.23.12 @ 6:37AM
Won't waste my time with FB for various reasons:
1-back 5 decades+ i had this 'app' installed called "A Life 1.0" and it's much more fulfilling than a bunch of pixels generated by strangers who want to 'friend' me or 'like' me or whatever ut is
2-I don't feel the need to ignore the contradictions in telling myself i'm 'keeping in touch' with people down the block or across town by sitting in front of a computer.
3-I've learned that I'm, JUST LIKE the Zuckerberg Zombies, not all that freaking fascinating, and my daily activities are not all that intriguing.
4-when you've seen one 'duck lip and too much mascara pic', you've seen them all
5-i value my privacy, unlike the twits who screech about privacy and then post pics of their new shoes, accounts of baby's first belch, the model, dealer name and cost of their new car, and how many satisfactory bm's they had last week.
Emerson| 5.23.12 @ 7:34AM
I joined just long enough to see if I could find certain people and have certain other people find me. Besides that it seemed like a lot of work to come up with things to put on the page. I don't tweet every time I fart or eat a Cannoli so I didn't think anything I did was worth posting.
m| 5.23.12 @ 7:38AM
Glad that I didn't sign up for Facebook.
Bob LaGuza| 5.23.12 @ 7:46AM
Nobody cares what a person who knows nothing about Facebook thinks about Facebook.
Buck Bradley| 5.23.12 @ 10:20AM
Do not miss junior high school.
Never "had a facebook."
Can't for the life of me understand why anyone would want "a facebook."
But then some people apparently DO miss junior high school, and I can't figure that out either. I think there might be a connection.....
Buck Bradley| 5.23.12 @ 10:32AM
For those who think you're insulating yourself from the effects of facebook silliness by simply not "having a facebook" think again. It doesn't affect you now, but how long before employers start REQUIRING facebook/linked-in/whatever accounts as a condition of employment? Apparently some companies are already using the existence of a social networking presence (or absence thereof) as indicating whether a potential employee is sufficiently extroverted ("connected") to be worthy of employment. Do we really want to go back to junior high school, but where only the popular kids can get jobs? How popular were YOU in juni0r high school? How hard are you willing to work, and how dishonest are you willing to be, to create a fake online facebook or linked-in persona suitable for impressing potential employers with your connectedness and people skills? Will it someday be impossible for an introvert, or a person who does not want to live a fake life online, to get a job?
Nelson H.| 5.23.12 @ 3:29PM
[ x ] never opened a Facebook or Myspace account
[ x ] don't watch television
[ x ] don't own any Apple products
[ ] live in an underground bunker complex
Working on the last box.
POST American| 5.24.12 @ 1:22AM
"Everyone noticing, all these
CON--veniences, authorized and
promoted by the top ---inevitably
isolate ---even as they collect your
data and spy on you?"
-Informed Radio
WHAT IS TO BE DONE?
----Get the surveillance Pee Sees
OUT! of your personal and intimate
spaces
-----HURL your mind control TVs
------STOP using credit cards --NO matter
how 'in--CON--'V'--knee--ant'
--------Get off and OUT of the franchise
slum outlets
---------START your own PRIVATE coffee
club in your back yard ---an old building
or vacant lot
---------ALWAYS make your annoyance with
the 'YOU--bik--wit--US' hd screens in public
places known
--------STOP ADAPTING to THEIR EUGENICS!
Occam's Tool| 5.24.12 @ 3:50AM
I have one, and I check it about once a month. Never discuss politics on it, really.
But the best stock right now to invest in is PM---Pall Mall International. Tobacco stock for those who would sell it to Islamists. Absolutely I want them using their hookahs 50 times a day. Profit from Al Quaida's cancer, you betcha.
floridahank| 5.24.12 @ 1:17PM
Let's see....what can I do rather than use time on FB?
I ride my bike 2 hrs in the a.m. either walk on the beach or fish. Stop in at the library to look over some mag's or newspapers. Every other day go to the gym. Visit some friends over the weekend. Check out my stocks on the 'net....Listen to good audiobooks on my computer....listen to good music on my radio....watch a good special on tv.... go shopping for my weekly list....talk to some friends on the phone.
Wow....don't seem to have time or a need for FB.
I wonder if I'm missing out on life somehow?
Fielding Melish| 5.24.12 @ 4:54PM
Hey Aaron,
Just do what I do when asked and tell your friends: "No, I'm Faceless". And if you want to further preempt them just say "and I intend to remain that way".
If they know you and understand your sense of humor they'll laugh and won't bug you about it.
By the way I suppose you are to be congratulated for having 125 "likes" from Facebook fans at the bottom of your article. Are they just being sarcastic or is wit beyond them?
No, of course that's not my real name. Are you crazy?
jgo| 5.25.12 @ 4:25PM
I won't have anything to do with these "social networking" outfits because they keep and abuse information beyond the time and for different purposes from what I had in mind, and because they further grab and abuse personal private information that was not aimed at them. IOW, they're evil and deserve a severe spanking.
Perdido| 5.26.12 @ 8:29PM
Aaron Goldstein,
This is the first time I heard of you and the first time I read you. The article is clever and a fun read.
And, no, I don't want anything from you.
Good luck. Thanks.