Most characteristic of this preaching [of the Great Leap
Forward] was its utopianism, the promise of a bright future just in
the offing, “three years of suffering leading to a thousand years
of happiness.” — Franz Schurmann writing in
Ideology and Organization in Communist China
Forward!
Comrades, you can’t make it up. Can you say “campaign blunder”?
Or is it a blunder? Is it deliberate? The socialist mind at work in
campaign mode?
The Obama campaign has picked a portion of one of the most
infamous socialist slogans of 20th century history to
use as its own new campaign slogan.
“Forward” is the new Obama slogan, Team Obama borrowing boldly
from none other than the late Communist Party of China leader
Chairman Mao.
Mao’s slogan? “The Great Leap Forward.”
Rather than describing this myself, let’s take a tour of various
descriptions of this wonderful, Communist slogan.
Here’s Wikipedia:
The Great Leap Forward (simplified Chinese: 大跃进; traditional
Chinese: 大躍進; pinyin: Dà yuè jìn) of the People’s Republic of China
(PRC) was an economic and social campaign of the Communist Party of
China (CPC), reflected in planning decisions from 1958 to 1961,
which aimed to use China’s vast population to rapidly transform the
country from an agrarian economy into a modern communist society
through the process of rapid industrialization and
collectivization. Mao Zedong led the campaign based on the Theory
of Productive Forces, and intensified it after being informed of
the impending disaster from grain shortages.
Chief changes in the lives of rural Chinese included the
introduction of a mandatory process of agricultural
collectivization, which was introduced incrementally. Private
farming was prohibited, and those engaged in it were labeled as
counter revolutionaries and persecuted. Restrictions on rural
people were enforced through public struggle sessions, and social
pressure. Rural industrialization, officially a priority of the
campaign, saw “its development … aborted by the mistakes of the
Great Leap Forward.”[1]
The Great Leap ended in catastrophe, resulting in tens of
millions of excess deaths.[2] Estimates of the death toll range
from 18 million[3] to 45 million,[4] with estimates by demographic
specialists ranging from 18 million to 32.5 million.[3] Historian
Frank Dikötter asserts that “coercion, terror, and systematic
violence were the very foundation of the Great Leap Forward” and it
“motivated one of the most deadly mass killings of human
history.”[5] In contrast, journals such as the Monthly Review have
disputed the reliability of the figures commonly cited, the
qualitative evidence of a “massive death toll”, and Mao’s
complicity in those deaths which occurred.[6]
The years of the Great Leap Forward in fact saw economic
regression, with 1958 through 1961 being the only years between
1953 and 1983 in which China’s economy saw negative growth.
If you prefer the video version of the Great Leap Forward,
here’s a video
summary. At 5:08 in the video the film tells us that the Great
Leap Forward resulted in famine and starvation for the Chinese
people.
Perhaps one of the most interesting video takes on The Great
Leap Forward is from a PBS series called Heaven on Earth: The
Rise and Fall of Socialism.
Not only is the film well done, it was posted (in segments) on
YouTube in 2009 by one “CE Hitchens.” That’s right — the late
Christopher Hitchens, the one-time left-winger who, in the years
after 9/11, developed a profound antipathy for the totalitarian
left.
Deborah D| 5.3.12 @ 6:24AM
I think they want this slogan out there because if Obama wins, they will believe they have a clear-cut mandate to do whatever they wish. They'll believe -- "hey, we were up front in our intentions -- it's not our fault the voters were too stupid to figure it out."
Ret. Marine| 5.3.12 @ 7:00AM
They may think they have a clear mandate to do whatever they wish, because of stupid voters, or voter fraud, or ballot stuffing, dead voters rising up for the occasion, funny isn't it they only come out for this occurance to vote demo-rats, straight party line for some of that "obama's stash" or what ever. Personally I think they are in for one hellofah surprise, if they win, or lose it won't matter at all. The two different surprises, one is an all out rebelion by the Patriots from their intended/preceived actions, steal the elections, again, and an all out rebelion from the race baiters for losing, not because of policies enacted during this regimes ( enslavement ) arogances, like I said, surprised by both counts. It is that serious. Damned if we do damned if we don't. How much worse can it really be? I'll let you know when all of the so called leaders are either in prison or hanging from a tree. That's just how serious it really is, but, to listen to them, one would think there's no way this senerio will EVER BE played out in our times, yeah really, tell that to the survivers of the 6000,000 who died in the last federal tryanny play. I'm just readying myself, family members and friends alike for the spark which will lite this fire, it coming, everyone feels it, knows it, and are past the "fed up with it" part to not notice. The real surprise is if this Country ever agains regains the foot hold upon individual liberties so many have perished for and to do it without a fight, has all come about because of choices of individuals our so called fellow sheeples have made their entire lives is going to be nearly impossible, simple fact of the matter is, this so called pResident of these United States and his fellow dead men/ladies walking ( spiritual sense of the words here) know damned well they are toast. It doesn't take a student of history to understand what is happening, intended or not, to read these TEA Leaves, but it will take the efforts of all Patriots to stop it in their tracks if we are to survive as the home of the free and brave, and that shining city upon the hills of this ugly world. I wish I had a better attitude about this entire affair, I have never in my long life seen this Nation so divided, in such a short time as it has occured, and by, of all things a so called healer, of course, that too is code for my way or the highway, from kenya. Never thought I would see the day the forefathers warnings would be so real and misunderstood or understood as the warning they intended. Good luck and God Bless. Semper FI.
oldfart| 5.3.12 @ 7:07AM
Excellent post.
But - I think you have too many zeros in the losses from the War of Northern Aggression. 630,000 is more accurate, not 6,000,000.
DTOM!| 5.3.12 @ 7:26AM
He did have the correct number of commas. I vote for fat fingerism over faulty intel.
OF, As to the War of Northern Aggression: how would you have ended slavery?
Don't Tread On Me!
Alan Brooks| 5.3.12 @ 7:37AM
"OF, As to the War of Northern Aggression: how would you have ended slavery?"
Don't forget, his handle is 'oldfart' so he can beat detractors to the punch.
DTOM!| 5.3.12 @ 7:47AM
The question stands, unanswered...
And to any holding bitter remembrances of the "War of Northern Aggression" I say two things:
you weren't there
and
how would you have ended slavery or would you still have it in place?
Don't Tread On Me
Von Mises Jr| 5.3.12 @ 8:01AM
Little Alan, of course I am talking about intellect, would have slavery back for the 1% to pay for his dope. He is just too ignorant to not have learned from John Lennon "money for dope, money for rope."
What can you say about a collossal moron that plots his own destruction. Brooksie, the 99% in Mao's China were slaves to the 1%.
Ground Control| 5.3.12 @ 8:22AM
England banned slavery without a civil war. It could have happened here too. Also, the actual war was not over slavery, but over secession.
Ryan| 5.3.12 @ 8:33AM
Why did the Southern states want to secede? Sorry, it was right principle, wrong issue with them. Slavery was at the core of it for the rich planters for their cheap labor.
TLP| 5.3.12 @ 10:15AM
Can you say......ALL IN?
The Narccissist is getting Careless. And, by careless, I mean - Reckless. And, by reckless, I mean - Dangerous.
Everybody saw The Omen, right? Everybody saw The Boys From Brazil?
Now, combine the two, add in the Book of Revelation, and you've got "The One we've Been Waiting For". Only now, he's starting to get anxious.
Forward. What a beautiful display of Homage, to the Progressive Works of George Orwell, and his Prophetic use of the term: "NEW-SPEAK". Forward.
The choice of the word should come as no surprise. Like the "Bread Crumbs" left for Will Smith's character, in the Movie - I Robot - this is just one more CLUE. (As if we needed any more.)
These "Bread Crumbs" have been popping up since the Campaign. Joe the Plumber was one of the more obvious ones. Maxine Waters, being keenly aware of whom he was, let the next one out of the bag with her 'slip of the tongue' about what "This Democrat would do" if the Oil Companies refuse to bend their knee.
Her Excellency dropped a Breadcrumb on the Campaign Trail, when she announced that: "Barack will never let you "GO BACK" to your old lives. He will change the way we do things, moving "FORWARD". He will change our History. He will change our Traditions."
SIEG HEIL!
(Isn't she great?)
We got a Bread Crumb in the admission of the former SEIU Chief - Michael Lerner - who, upon seeing that his Movement was in good hands, resigned his Post, proclaiming that he was going FORWARD, to make the Slogan: Workers of the World Unite, in to a reality. The Arab Spring would soon begin, and the Flotillas would soon follow. They were on the ground in Tunisia, in Egypt, and in Libya. They are NOT on the ground in Syria. (Interesting)
FOREWARD.
We had his Press Liason - Anita Dunn - announcing that The greatest Mass Murderer of the 20th Century - Mao Tse Tung - was one of her two favorite sources of inspiration, whenever the grinds of every day life, would get her down.
The Muslims Economic Czar (I don't care what his name is.) proclaimed that: "We get it. The Free Market is a joke, and Mao was right when he said that Power flows from the Barrel of a Gun."
His FCC Chairman went all "Premature" in his pants, when he gushed about his ENVY of the way Hugo Chavez had stormed all the Radio and Television Stations, on his way to "Preserving his "Beautiful Revolution".
And, of course, who can forget the CLENCHED FIST of Marxist Revolution, so proudly displayed on the Protest Placards of the Union Street Gangs in Madison, and elsewhere, belonging to this Son of an Atheist Communist, and a Muslim Marxist?
Although the openness of this blatant change in Strategy, comes off as Brazen,we can see that this move FORWARD has already started, as The Boy from Indonesia, works tirelessly to drag us backward. Away from the Factories, and back in to the Fields. That's what Mao did. That's what Lenin did. That's what Stalin, Min, and Pol Pot did.
It didn't work, because it never works. Because it can't work. It's like putting the Square Peg in to the Round Hole. But their Egos will never let them be swayed by the FACTS, or by HISTORY, or by REALITY. They will have their way, the only way they can. The only way one ever gets the Square Peg in to an uncooperative Round Hole. They will use a Hammer. And, when that doesn't work? They'll get a BIGGER HAMMER, and they'll hit it HARDER. Until the Peg, inevitably, shatters in to pieces.
Just as it always has.
JT| 5.3.12 @ 11:35AM
This guy uses religion where and when it suits him
He's Athiest Statist Communist to the core. He will don whatever religious trappings need be to played at the given time for the given audience.
This is a true deceiver in every biblical sense and diabolical in every way.
Deborah D| 5.3.12 @ 3:41PM
Wow, TLP...just brilliant! Reminds me of the song - When You’re Holding a Hammer. Everything Looks Like a Nail! And Obama and company has hammered this country until it's bloody and just like the slaves he wants to turn us into -- we will rise up and unshackle ourselves because WE are Americans!
WL| 5.3.12 @ 3:47PM
Well....I think you just about summed it up...but you missed the latest "crumb"....
This "julia" business from the Obama campaign is straight out of 1984...and is every bit as creepy...
It's still surreal to see it happening....but it is.
Luis Stecca| 5.3.12 @ 4:56PM
it is estimated that American citizens possess over 250 million firearms.... I believe that the day is coming, probably sooner rather than later, when Obama/Soetoro will declare that owning a gun is no longer acceptable.... I for one, will not allow myself to be disarmed... ever.. by anyone..
old white guy| 5.4.12 @ 9:58AM
i doubt that the average american gun owner has the courage to shoot his neighbor to keep his freedom. those days are long past i am afraid.
Janet| 5.5.12 @ 8:27AM
So...are you saying you will use your gun against these people if they try to take it? If so, I'm sure the Secret Service would like to talk to you!
old white guy| 5.4.12 @ 9:56AM
tlp. unfortunately for every person who sees what you see there are ten who see nothing. i also think that some of the ten agree with the communists. there are difficult times ahead because more than 50% of americans are in favor of some degree of socialism.
Robert Pinkerton| 5.3.12 @ 11:26AM
Slavery is anything but cheap labor: First, a slave must be bought, in most cases; and they cost dearly. Then the slave must be fed, clothed, provided with the tools of his/her intended usage, medicated when hecessary, and all of this costs money; moreover, these costs persist whether or not the slave is well or ill, productive or not. The slave must be guarded against tendency to escape; and when the slave dies, the cadaver must be disposed of: More cost.
If the abolitionists had not been so fanatical, at least in my humble opinion, economics would have abolished slavery without war. Add international pressure on a pariah-state, even the Confederate government would not have been able to preserve slavery past the 1880s.
Too Late To Impeach| 5.3.12 @ 5:50PM
On the other hand...
For those who were enslaved, it was probably nice to know that those who could effect change weren't satisfied to just sit and wait it out to see what the "economy" would do. Just think what the racial repercussions would be today if descendents of slaves "remembered" that folks did no more to end slavery than to wait it out. Wouldn't THAT be a lovely legacy.
Too Late To Impeach| 5.3.12 @ 5:55PM
But I understand your point, and I don't necessarily disagree.
Magnifying Glass| 5.5.12 @ 10:38AM
Yes, it would be so much THE SAME as the way they act now.
Ground Control| 5.3.12 @ 12:39PM
There were a variety of issues, including taxation, restriction of trade, and yes slavery was one of them, a big one. But my point holds. A war was not necessary. England banned slavery without a war.
Tired Taxpayer PRM| 5.3.12 @ 3:14PM
I will take a stab at this.
Slavery would have ended in the United States without the massive losses of a civil war through capitalism. The south would never have been able to compete with the north economically and would eventually have voluntarily abolished slavery in order to survive. The country would have also avoided a lot of ill will that exists, even to this day. I believe that, without a civil war, the civil rights era would have come much sooner because the attitude of the people involved would gravitate more to shame over slavery rather than the bitterness of defeat from the war.
Throughout history free societies have always won out over slave societies. Review the history of the fall of the Soviet Union for a recent example. It happened without a costly war and freed a lot of people.
oldfart| 5.3.12 @ 7:44AM
My point was not about the abomination of human slavery but the methods by which it was ended. Every other Western civilization ended slavery by legislative action. Actually massive use of slavery would have ended in the South long before the Civil War if it had not been for the invention of the cotton gin by a Northern person. Slaves planting, growing, harvesting cotton and then picking the seeds out by hand was very labor intensive and not worth the cost for what the Northern mills were willing to pay. You have to remember the Northern Industrial group promoted the growth of cotton in the South because of the lower cost and better quality than the Egyptian grown cotton. Bottom line the North purchased the cotton grown in the South and therefore helped finance the abomination of human slavery.
If slavery was such a big issue to the Northern Industrial group why didn't they boycott Southern cotton? We are told today to boycott certain companies because they are not PC – but the North was not willing to put it's money where it's mouth was to abolish slavery. On the one hand the North was financing slavery and on the other wanted it abolished.
DTOM!| 5.3.12 @ 7:52AM
So the ownership of slaves was the fault of those seeking cheaper cotton? Seems to be thin gruel, that. 'See what you made me do?' is schoolyard stuff!
Would your legislation have provided compensation for the financial loss to slaveholders upon the emancipation of their slaves? Should it have?
Would the South have not fired upon Fort Sumter if Congress had just passed a law? It was the South with the hasty cannon.
DTOM!| 5.3.12 @ 7:54AM
Hasty cannon and hasty Confederacy...
oldfart| 5.3.12 @ 7:58AM
"So the ownership of slaves was the fault of those seeking cheaper cotton? Seems to be thin gruel, that. 'See what you made me do?' is schoolyard stuff!"
Your analysis is correct.
oldfart| 5.3.12 @ 8:06AM
DTOM! - where did the Union movement start? In the South or the North? It started in the North because of the ill treatment of the workers by Northern Industrialists. Check out the reasons why we have child labor laws – use of children to run the Northern Mills because children were cheap. Where did the labor riots take place – the coal fields of Kentucky because of working conditions.
The people that worked in Northern Industrial plants were slaves in everything but name – they were in economic slavery.
Economic GREED by friend.
DTOM!| 5.3.12 @ 8:40AM
OF,
How long has it been since the Labor movement had the interests of people who worked as its raison d etre?
The answer, in years, has at least three digits, no?
The Union movement only objectives have been feathering union officials nests and spreading communism for at least 90 years. It started in the North because that's where the workers were..
And communists love having slaves - they just use different terminology...don't they?
oldfart| 5.3.12 @ 9:11AM
Agreed
chuck| 5.3.12 @ 7:47AM
DTOM,
The industrial revolution would have made slavery obsolete within a few short years.
Very few Southerners actually owned slaves, and certainly fewer slave owners were marching along side Gen. Lee. Southerners hate being told what they have to do by a tyrannical government. I believe this is what led to many poor Southerners to take up arms against the Northern aggressors.
oldfart| 5.3.12 @ 7:56AM
chuck - right on target!
Von Mises Jr| 5.3.12 @ 8:09AM
Right on, chuck. A read of Tocqueville explains how the Industrial Revolution ended serfdom. The struggle ever since has been for the Nobles, Aristocrats and Intellectuals to raise serfdom and a caste society from the dead.
Obama is our Robespierre. Soros and Maurice Strong (Agenda21) are the Nobles. Congress is the Aristocrats. And Small Business is the bourgeoisie that must be cast back into serfdom.
BTW, "Forwared" is no more of a mistake than Sandra "Fluke" is an accident.
USSAlabama| 5.3.12 @ 9:58AM
Showing your brilliance again Jr. No doubt "Forward" is as deliberate as Fluke and all of their other exploding cigars of late.
Todd S| 5.3.12 @ 8:12AM
Of course the slave owners on their plantations did not personally want to risk their lives, that is what the peons are for. You and oldfart are engaging in historical revisionism, not the actual reality of what happened.
oldfart| 5.3.12 @ 8:41AM
Should we quote Lincoln and Sherman that the war was not about slavery at the start? Slavery was the moral excuse to justify the slaughter of people. Lincoln made slavery the primary focus after the emancipation proclamation which was a political move to keep England and France out of the war because it changed the focus from econommics to moral issues.
There is no discussion that human bondage is evil but don't use one evil to justify another.
France and England ended slavery without a civil war - why did slavery continue in the USA?
Because the technology was not yet perfected make the purchase of humans more expensive than the purchase of machines.
Todd S| 5.3.12 @ 9:44AM
yada yada, Lincoln is bad and the South was a poor victim of yankee aggression
KennesawJack| 5.3.12 @ 9:46AM
I think the entire direction this thread took is ridiculous. Let's back to discussing the primary problem we face in the here and now. You know, the Marxist in the White House. By the way, all you need to know about Lincoln's attitude towards slavery is contained in the Emancipation Proclamation. Try reading the part that frees the slaves held only in those States that remain in open rebellion. Now, can we get back to business?
USSAlabama| 5.3.12 @ 10:28AM
How about this Jack,
He’s a dandy in aspic, forever suspended in the gelatinous world-view of the angry Baby Boomers who run him. He was their dream candidate come to life, molded and formed in the image and likeness of the “revolutionary” Sixties, his very lack of accomplishment and experience a feature, not a bug. He could be anything they wanted him to be. Unfortunately for him, what they wanted him to be was Abbie Hoffman in a well-tailored suit. It never occurred to them that Abbie would not have made a very good president. Just a destructive one — but perhaps that’s a feature, not a bug, as well.
http://www.nationalreview.com/.....ael-walsh#
Drunken Sailor| 5.3.12 @ 11:07AM
My thoughts exactly! The Civil war is history. Lets go about not repeating the same mistakes by not letting the goverment make us slaves of them, which seems to be where the powers that be want to take us.
USSAlabama| 5.3.12 @ 10:02AM
Paraphrasing Thomas Jefferson with regard to having a wolf by the ears -- Southerners agreed!
There was no desire to maintain slavery but Southerners well knew the nature of the beasts they 'owned'.
What happens to people who own tigers? You always hear about them on breaking news.
chuck| 5.3.12 @ 11:15AM
Todd S,
Did you ever watch Ken Burn's Civil War series on PBS. He states that many Union soldiers, already sick and tired of the slaughter of 1000s of their fellow soldiers, were ready to lay down their arms and go home when Lincoln signed the Emancipation. They were willing to die to same the nation, but if it came down to just an issue of the slaves, their attitude was "screw this".
And where is it written that states can not leave the Union? I see nowhere in the Constitution the States are forbidden from leaving. So why did Lincoln have to send the Union troops into the South and force them back in? Talk about trashing the Constitution, Lincoln was one of the worst offenders.
BTW, I'm originally from PA, moved to TX, now residing in GA. So I get a rather wide range of opinions on the War Between the States.
Todd S| 5.3.12 @ 2:25PM
Why do you insist on discussing this when it has nothing to do with the article? You Lincoln haters disgust me almost as much as the Obama lovers.
Tejano Jack| 5.3.12 @ 5:40PM
Aaaaruah!
"Forward" was originated by Marx & Engles, not Mao.
As for Lord's comment, "Icould go on", he sure could have. He left out Gun Control, Election Control, Speech Control, Loss of Habeas corpus, Loss of Posse Comitatus, Violation of 9 of the 10 Amendments in the Bill of Rights!
That son of a commie whore, Obama, has got to go in November! That's FORWARD America!
Victory in 2012!
Tim B | 5.3.12 @ 6:11PM
Ah so that's where Wisconsin got its state motto from, Marx & Engles (sic).
IzeHavitt| 5.3.12 @ 10:29PM
The only counsel/ comfort I can offer you is this: Ours is the only nation whose motto is " In God, We Trust". While we humbly acknowledge that we are sinners in one way or another, surely that's gotta count for something at the Throne of The Most High. However, all that notwithstanding, it is prudent to keep one's powder dry.
Alan Brooks| 5.3.12 @ 7:33AM
Obama is still a better candidate than McCain was and Romney is today.
DTOM!| 5.3.12 @ 7:43AM
For any penitentiary...
Dick Nome | 5.3.12 @ 8:22AM
He should run in Cuba when Castro craoks or maybe Venezuala. That's his ideological home. Maybe Kenya.
DTOM!| 5.3.12 @ 8:42AM
He would never rise above community organizer in a real communist society - he's just not smart enough or tough enough.
Lucky for us...
Ground Control| 5.3.12 @ 8:25AM
President Bozo is not a "better candidate" than anyone. And I mean ANYONE on Earth. The President of the United States is a stupid dolt, a puppet for global socialists, who has not the faintest idea or understanding of what he is doing.
SUBVET| 5.3.12 @ 10:42AM
GC..........if you think "he has not the faintest idea or understanding of what he is doing" than you Sir are part of the problem.
Don't underestimate SATAN.... the mulatto may come off as a puppet but he knows exactly what he's doing. THEY have a play book most of us know what's in it.........it's time to send in the final play to score in November.
Your life depends on it.......
c matt| 5.3.12 @ 11:22AM
He probably does have some understanding, and what's more, he agrees with the puppet masters, and therefore is more than happy to act as the front man
Mikw Hawk| 5.3.12 @ 9:31AM
AB, why do you hate my country??
Robert| 5.3.12 @ 1:46PM
As P.T. Barnum said, "A sucker is born every minute."
junkyard infidel| 5.3.12 @ 2:08PM
my neighbor's retarded dachshund is a better candidate than lil' berry hussein soetoro ! and said pooch is obviously more smarter than "thank you sir may i have another" brooksie !
idalily| 5.3.12 @ 3:40PM
How so, Alan? Be specific.
Tejano Jack| 5.3.12 @ 5:42PM
As a whore house pimp!
spike59| 5.4.12 @ 6:37AM
candidate for WHAT-an asylum? a prison cell?
Rodman820| 5.3.12 @ 6:24PM
If using the word "F0rward" in a campaign slogan makes you a Marxist, just because Mao also used the word in a slogan, then George W. Bush was also a Maoist. All the inferences of bad intent that the Spectator feels compelled to heap on the President for using that word would apply to an equal extent to Mr. Bush.
Why?
One of the primary slogans of the 2004 Bush campaign was (drum roll): "Moving America Forward" (see press release below). By the logic (or lack of) used in this article to attack Obama, that slogan must have meant that Bush wanted to move America to Maoism, since Mao used the word "Forward" to describe his vision of China's future.
The same would also apply to Adlai Stevenson, who used the slogan "Forward with Stevenson" in 1952. Also, clearly a Maoist reference, right?
Ehud Olmert's Kadima party in Israel was also Maoist, they used the slogan "Moving Forward" in their 2006 campaign.
I could go on and on, from Mayoral and Gubernatorial elections, on up to a myriad of foreign heads of state - the word "Forward" (or words interpreted to be synonymous) may be one of the most commonly used words in the political lexicon.
This means that one of two things must be true, either;
1) Every political campaign anywhere, in history, that uses or has used the word "Forward" in their slogans or publications is pushing a Maoist agenda, or
2) That the Spectator has once again stitched together a few flimsy threads of supposition and happenstance and tried to pawn it off on their readers as journalism.
Logic and precedent support the latter conclusion. To try to paint the entirety of a particular political philosophy onto any number of utterly unrelated campaigns or philosophies, simply because they include that word in their slogan or publications, is absurd.
But I recognize that none of that matters, since the objective of the piece was not to make sense - it was to attack.
A footnote: Absent the context of Mao, the word "forward" is not directly translated into Chinese as the character 进 which Mao used. Translated from Chinese the character typically means "in", "into" or "enter". The translation provided for the word "Forward" in online dictionaries is "转信", pronounced "zhuan xin". Which, of course is not used in Mao's slogan.
So, not only has the Spectator built a house of cards on the selective application of their very broad "forward = Maoist" brush, it appears they have, in fact used the wrong word. They should be condemning any campaign whose slogans or publications include the word "in". I'm sure they could find equally legitimate way to narrow that field to include only Obama.
At the very least - the article displays a considerable contempt for the intelligence of their readers. The Bush Campaign was only 8 years ago. Did you really think nobody would remember "Moving America Forward".
Really?
BUSH, 2004 CAMPAIGN ARTICLE -
Bush-Cheney '04 Launches New Television Advertisement: "Changing World"
ARLINGTON, VA - Today, Bush-Cheney '04 announced the release of the campaign's newest television advertisement, "Changing World." The new ad highlights President George W. Bush's vision to keep America moving forward and his conviction to make tough decisions in today's changing world. The ad also points to the values that make our country strong. The ad will run on national cable and select local markets.
Script for "Changing World"
Voice Over:
The world is changing.
Sometimes in ways that astound.
And others that terrify.
We depend more than ever on our values - family, faith, the freedom we celebrate.
In today's changing world the answers aren't easy.
We need a sense of purpose, a vision for the future, the conviction to do what's right.
Graphic:
President Bush
Moving America Forward
President Bush:
I'm George W. Bush and I approve this message. Together, we're moving America forward.
Appleby| 5.3.12 @ 6:42AM
I believe Obama is banking on the fact that most people can't remember anything that happened longer ago than 2008, and that the majority of people are in line wearing funny costumes waiting for tickets to see The Avengers movie. People who remember the Great Leap Forward for what it actually was are old fogies and "Boomers", and nobody caers what THEY think...
Alan Brooks| 5.3.12 @ 7:34AM
"believe Obama is banking on the fact that most people can't remember anything that happened longer ago than 2008"
Nonsense, they remember the entire Rove-Cheney administration.
Appleby| 5.3.12 @ 7:38AM
No, they "remember" what they were told about it.
DTOM!| 5.3.12 @ 7:39AM
So this is better?
Are you stupid?
Well...
DTOM!| 5.3.12 @ 7:40AM
I was addressing Alan, not Appleby...
Don't Tread On Me!
DTOM!| 5.3.12 @ 7:42AM
That's also why the Bamster only talks to college student assemblies - they have no baseline other than this 'Modern Depression.'
D T O M!
Teaghan| 5.3.12 @ 8:59AM
And we will remember and tell our children's children about the worst president, the most dangerous president AND administration that ever ruled our great nation. We will NEVER forget this imbicilic narsassist who has taken this great country to hell in a handbasket. We will recover though when he and his entourage are perpwalked out the front door of our White House. Kenyan, go home. And take your perpetually vacationing partner with you.
DTOM!| 5.3.12 @ 9:48AM
I tried to explain Jimmy Carter to my kids.
Batting .500 so far. DOH!
Jes' gotta keep swinging!
skip| 5.3.12 @ 11:34AM
Maybe if you tell them about the killer bunny rabbit it will clear things up for them.
Janet| 5.5.12 @ 8:35AM
Try learning how to spell. It helps make your argument sound a lot less nutty. That's the problem in this country: toothless "Tea Party" nutjobs and fruity "Occupy" hippies heading off against each other. It's why nothing's gotten done for the last six years.
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wally| 5.3.12 @ 9:53AM
AB- Go take a Midol and lie down.
idalily| 5.3.12 @ 3:47PM
Alan, I remember the Bush administration. I remember gas at $1.84 a gallon. Unemployment at 5%. The deficit at trillions less than it is now. I remember there weren't any tent cities in my state back then or idiots camped on the capitol steps in my town. Fewer troops were being killed in Afghanistan. I remember when we had a President who knew how to LEAD, even if I didn't always like where we were going. I remember a president who didn't promise Russia he'd have more "flexibility" in his next term. I remember a President loved by the troops, not loathed. Yeah, I remember all that. Oh, yeah, and Brian Terry was still alive.
Oldefarte| 5.3.12 @ 4:18PM
Right, when unemployment was several degrees south of today's 8% and the price/gallon of gasoline was several dollars less....sure we remember the Bush-Cheney [oh and it wasn't '''''Rove-Cheney''''''] anymore than today's is Axelrod/Jones/Emmanuel/Pilosi/Jarrett-Obama!!!!!!!!
MikeG| 5.3.12 @ 7:53AM
Obama is banking on so called conservatives not voting or voting for a third party. There are enough stupid people in this category.
TLP| 5.3.12 @ 8:04AM
Can you say......ALL IN?
The Narccissist is getting Careless. And, by careless, I mean - Reckless. And, by reckless, I mean - Dangerous.
Everybody saw The Omen, right? Everybody saw The Boys From Brazil?
Now, combine the two, add in the Book of Revelation, and you've got "The One we've Been Waiting For". Only now, he's starting to get anxious.
Forward. What a beautiful display of Homage, to the Progressive Works of George Orwell, and his Prophetic use of the term: "NEW-SPEAK". Forward.
The choice of the word should come as no surprise. Like the "Bread Crumbs" left for Will Smith's character, in the Movie - I Robot - this is just one more CLUE. (As if we needed any more.)
These "Bread Crumbs" have been popping up since the Campaign. Joe the Plumber was one of the more obvious ones. Maxine Waters, being keenly aware of whom he was, let the next one out of the bag with her 'slip of the tongue' about what "This Democrat would do" if the Oil Companies refuse to bend their knee.
Her Excellency dropped a Breadcrumb on the Campaign Trail, when she announced that: "Barack will never let you "GO BACK" to your old lives. He will change the way we do things, moving "FORWARD". He will change our History. He will change our Traditions."
SIEG HEIL!
(Isn't she great?)
We got a Bread Crumb in the admission of the former SEIU Chief - Michael Lerner - who, upon seeing that his Movement was in good hands, resigned his Post, proclaiming that he was going FORWARD, to make the Slogan: Workers of the World Unite, in to a reality. The Arab Spring would soon begin, and the Flotillas would soon follow. They were on the ground in Tunisia, in Egypt, and in Libya. They are NOT on the ground in Syria. (Interesting)
FOREWARD.
We had his Press Liason - Anita Dunn - announcing that The greatest Mass Murderer of the 20th Century - Mao Tse Tung - was one of her two favorite sources of inspiration, whenever the grinds of every day life, would get her down.
The Muslims Economic Czar (I don't care what his name is.) proclaimed that: "We get it. The Free Market is a joke, and Mao was right when he said that Power flows from the Barrel of a Gun."
His FCC Chairman went all "Premature" in his pants, when he gushed about his ENVY of the way Hugo Chavez had stormed all the Radio and Television Stations, on his way to "Preserving his "Beautiful Revolution".
And, of course, who can forget the CLENCHED FIST of Marxist Revolution, so proudly displayed on the Protest Placards of the Union Street Gangs in Madison, and elsewhere, belonging to this Son of an Atheist Communist, and a Muslim Marxist?
Although the openness of this blatant change in Strategy, comes off as Brazen,we can see that this move FORWARD has already started, as The Boy from Indonesia, works tirelessly to drag us backward. Away from the Factories, and back in to the Fields. That's what Mao did. That's what Lenin did. That's what Stalin, Min, and Pol Pot did.
It didn't work, because it never works. Because it can't work. It's like putting the Square Peg in to the Round Hole. But their Egos will never let them be swayed by the FACTS, or by HISTORY, or by REALITY. They will have their way, the only way they can. The only way one ever gets the Square Peg in to an uncooperative Round Hole. They will use a Hammer. And, when that doesn't work? They'll get a BIGGER HAMMER, and they'll hit it HARDER. Until the Peg, inevitably, shatters in to pieces.
Just as it always has.
Todd S| 5.3.12 @ 8:32AM
Tremendous. Just one point about him being Muslim. While it is true his deadbeat father was Muslim by culture, he actually was a Marxist atheist and that is Obama's " religion" is as well. It is true Obama likes to kiss the ass of Muslims in praising their religion but that is more due to liberals slobbering over multi-culturalism and to poke his finger in the eyes of tradional Christianity and Judaism. Obama personally could care less what is actually in the Koran which are the ramblings of a disturbed megalomaniac. Das Kapital is more his kind of "scripture".
A Grin without a Cat| 5.3.12 @ 10:27AM
"...his FCC chairman went all premature in his pants..."
his FCC Diversity Czar, actually, though I'm not sure there's a practical difference
Janet| 5.5.12 @ 8:37AM
Do you know what "Godwin's Law" is?
OpjeWebsite | 5.3.12 @ 10:12AM
The sad part is that he is probably right and the majority of people is actually to dumb to remember what happend yesterday..
WL| 5.3.12 @ 3:58PM
You sir...have identified our biggest problem..
"too dumb to remember what happened yesterday..."
It's like an extreme version of dealing with the fact that "a sloppy boxer makes you look sloppy"...
I am even seeing unbelievable ignorance of any past (recent or distant) on our own side....While I am thankful that the ones on our own side just happen to fall with us right now...I am not sure that we can keep them there regularly....
That's why Obama can sucker punch a group...any group...then step back and point at the Group for attacking some other group that he chooses to be his victim of the week...
And the play drags on and on and on....
I think we are beginning to understand just how others in the past have felt...when they were the lonely voice "crying in the wilderness"....or screaming about the iceberg....but can't scream loud enough because the liars are seducing the masses and drowning out any dissent with crazy loud music.
Mike Hawk| 5.3.12 @ 6:51AM
Ah, yes, Mao's 'Great Leap Forward'. (For you leftist trolls, I am old enough to remember that.) The ChiComs backyard manufacturing including those idiotic primitive iron smelters. Too bad bad they didn't have any wealth to spread around via Porkulus funds. The result was the same, failure and ecomonic disaster, only our great leap is Green. Redundant central planning if Chairman BHO is in charge.
oldfart| 5.3.12 @ 7:03AM
In spite of massive failure over the past 100+ years in the implementation of total central control of EVERYTHING, today's progressive/socialist movement refuses to own up to the fact that the theory is basically flawed. Total centralization only works with machines and people are not machines. They seem to have this idea that the previous implementations of this theory were somehow undercut by 'outside forces' that caused the project to fail. The best example of a 'success' of sorts to this theory is North Korea, which actually can only survive because of the semi-capitalist state of China.
In stark contrast our own Constitution used the Constitution of the Iroquois Confederacy as a model.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/iroquois.asp
The Iroquois Confederacy is a successful model that has existed for hundreds of years. Yes, that Constitution and the American are not perfect because people are not perfect – but are still is use today, surviving the test of time.
So how long have these progressive/socialist governments survived?
A strong central government tends to bring out the worst in people who thirst for personal power and 'glory' to the determent of all.
Anyone out there every study the reign of terror after the deposition of the French Monarchy? How was that stopped – by years of terror under a Corsican despot.
Normalcy was restored, but at what cost? What was the coast of the Great Leap Forward?
Hmm – 'Forward' – right back to Mr. Lord's theme.
We need to return to the balance of power built into the design of our Constitution.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
DTOM!| 5.3.12 @ 7:38AM
Things can look pretty rosy when viewed through a lens of oral history, "written" by the victors.
Did the Iroquois Confederacy recognize private property? I'm guessing not. Taking the wealth variable out of governance really simplifies a lot of issues.
Not having detailed, written history lets a lot of ugly stuff get swept under the rug, quickly and easily. I don't wonder at the supposed wisdom of a polity that held sway for five or six hundred years, when there's no minority report...
Were the Illini protected by the Iroqouis Confederacy? There are still some surviving Chinese peasants, there are no surviving Illini...
and it wasn't Europeans or their diseases that massacred them...
Rose-colored glasses are so much fun, til reality breaks them...
I'm just saying...
Don't Tread On Me...
oldfart| 5.3.12 @ 7:53AM
Actually the Iroquois recognized personal property. They were also a matriarchy, that is a female run society. Bloodlines were passed through the female line. When a couple married they each retained ownership of what they brought to the marriage. The man moved into the lodge of the female line. They had divorce, in that the woman could through out the man, if he failed to provide for the family and she retained ownership of her stuff.
In addition the women were the only members of the society allowed to vote to go to war. The reason for this is the woman had to bear the burden of providing the 'replacements'.
All of this information is available on-line for your further research.
So DTOM – next question?
DTOM!| 5.3.12 @ 9:53AM
OF,
Still trying to eke out a living over here.
But my original observation that a lack of a written history and a minority opinion does leave a lot of wiggle room for auguring that the IF was such a good deal. Haven't you found that far more things sound better than actually are?
PS. I'd call myself an old fart, but I'm trying to cut down, especially since the Missus doesn't particularly like the idea of an of husband...
Veni, vidi, vici!
DTOM!| 5.3.12 @ 9:54AM
...an o.f. husband...
JT| 5.3.12 @ 7:37AM
Was this the same communist in the WH that had the Mao Christmas tree ornament on the WH tree a couple years back? Go figure! Forward Comrades........
numbatdog| 5.3.12 @ 8:07AM
As if we need another reminder socialism /statism is on the rise in the USA !
Easier reminder - Go fill up your car. Or check out your light wallet. Or pay your taxes.
TURK| 5.3.12 @ 8:07AM
so what is the slavish leftist Alan b----------- (I hate to repeat his name) doing back here??? Entering into a debate with those who loved Stalin and our own A Hiss, is worthless. His goal is always obsfucation. So of course the subject always draws away from a discussion of the abomination (or should it be obamanation?) that is the White House with the scum that make up the place.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 5.3.12 @ 8:16AM
Amazingly, political shows on MSNBC have a new slogan which appears on the top of the screen, "Lean Forward." Amazing coincidence.
Teaghan| 5.3.12 @ 9:05AM
As in Lean Foward and take it?
No thanks.
davod| 5.3.12 @ 5:33PM
They have been leaning forward for months.
Tim B | 5.3.12 @ 6:14PM
Another amazing coincidence - Wisconsin's state motto is "Forward". Looks like the reds are everywhere nowadays. Oh and that Christmas decoration was from an Andy Warhol print from what I remember. So you'd better go check all the art museums because I guess there are more pictures of Mao out there.
Rodman820| 5.3.12 @ 6:30PM
Amazingly, George W. Bush was also a Maoist - he used the slogan "Moving America Forward" in his 2004 campaign.
Or does that not count, since recognizing that would blow apart their attack on Obama?
If "Forward" is Marxist/Maoist codeword, then it is ALL the time. This kind of selective application and extrapolation of broad conclusions from the most meaningless coincidence is, unfortunately, the basis for most of the Spectator's content.
Charles Van Dorn| 5.4.12 @ 4:15PM
FORWARD is also a motto used by the National Socialist (Nazi) Sturm Abteilung (SA). Forward was also the motto of the National Socialist Youth Movement. My guess is that Obama's use is more in tune with that of his Nazi mentors, than the communisit Maoists.
Tim B| 5.4.12 @ 8:18PM
Yes.
Also, the 1969 inauguration speech slogan of Richard M. Nixon. Which was he, a Nazi or a Maoist?
Janet| 5.5.12 @ 8:39AM
Two words: Godwin's Law
PattyMor| 5.3.12 @ 8:38AM
The clues where there for the awake or the aware to see. He told Joe the Plumber he was going to redistribute the wealth. Its good for everyone, you see. He said he was going rasie the capital gains rate because it was "fair". He hold us in Dreams from My Father, that his high school mentor was "Frank". Frank was Frank Marshall Davis, a communist with a FBI file a mile thick.
He believed in Global Warming (or Global Climate Change) and that building a new coal fired energy plant would "necessarily" bankrupt them. He also gave us clue to his energy policy: inflate your tires. He hired Van Jones, Anita Dunn, and Lisa Jackson which all fellow travellers.
Since Socialism (or communism) never works he has set up FEMA Camps. Why would a free country need FEMA Camps spread out in every state (at least three to a state). That would be a minimun of 150 camps? A little reeducation anyone? Its Holdern that adheres to the nudge, push strategy to social engineer. What's the next phase, the a little gun to go with the gulag?
kwan| 5.3.12 @ 9:53AM
The two most incomprehensible sentences ever uttered by a candidate for President of the United States: “We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”....Barack Obama July 2, 2008 Colorado Springs. Marxists are always paranoid about a counter-revolutionary movement somehow rising-up against them. Cuba's "Committees for the Defense of the Revolution" are an example of this paranoia. The Committees are the "eyes and ears of the revolution" and report on counter-revolutionary activity to the central government.When Obama says, "in order to achieve the national security objectives we've (Who is this we? What objectives?) set", he is talking about something like the Waffen-SS that would strike back against those that would attempt to overthrow the "Revolution".
DTOM!| 5.3.12 @ 9:55AM
!!!WOLVERINES!!!!
'nuff said.
Douglas| 5.3.12 @ 8:22PM
You stole my word!!!
albert constantine jr.| 5.3.12 @ 8:44AM
Though I know this is sometimes mistakenly attributed to Mao, I think a more appropriate slogan for Obama's campaign can be found in the words of Colonel Saito, the POW camp commandant from "The Bridge on the River Kwai", though I've updated it a bit to reflect the "new normal' of the Obama economy:
"Be Happy in Your Lack of Work".
Pecos Pete| 5.3.12 @ 8:56AM
ACjr: Comrade, you done said it! Excellent. Forward!
Ground Control| 5.3.12 @ 8:46AM
"Unless, of course, this slogan is in fact a genuine reflection of the Obama campaign's thinking."
One, it IS a genuine reflection of Bozo's campaign thinking (if you can call it "thinking".) Two, it will not backfire since the bulk of America's voting public has absolutely no idea that "Forward!" is a Socialist slogan. "Forward!" is a slogan designed to elicit an emotional reaction, not to promote thinking. "Forward!" is an amorphous, empty, meaningless thing to say, but it inspires, it stimulates. Who can argue that we should go "Backward!"???
Socialists think that ANY move toward more socialism is by definition a move "Forward!" (Hence their chosen label "Progressive"). History is not important ("You're just hung up on FACTS, man!"). What is important is the "progress" moving "Forward!" toward the goal! What is the goal? Well, all you will get from Socialists is that the goal is "Forward!" to a utopian, communal existence where everyone is enabled to achieve their highest ambitions without struggle or competition. And those "reactionaries" who see the World differently, will simply have to be eliminated so the "Progressives" can achieve their move "Forward!" This has been the justification for the millions who have died at the hands of the Socialists, that some must suffer and die to eliminate counter-revolutionary ideas, that those who would think only for themselves must be eliminated for the universal good. This is, after all, "science," as in "good scientific government" that utilizes the "best of each person for the betterment of all people."
That people can actually think (as do Ayers, Dohrn, and Soros, et.al.) like this is bad enough, but We the People have elected them to office where thay can carry out their revolution from within. President Bozo is just a puppet for these people, a figurehead, the "electable" frontman to mouth "feel-good" platitudes like "Forward!" while his handlers destroy freedom and implement their sick vision.
Teaghan| 5.3.12 @ 9:08AM
I love to referr to them as "regressives".
Ground Control| 5.3.12 @ 10:45AM
One additional point: In response to President Bozo's single word slogan "Forward!" we see here 74 comments (at last count) plus numerous links to additional articles and published works, plus Mr. Lord's original article. All these volumes stacked up against a single word. And that single word will nullify everything. There is a reason tyrants utilize propaganda, it works. The American People have become sheep, hearing their master's voice, and blindly following the flock. Democrat voters will hear "Forward!" and vote according to their programmed emotional response. Democrat voters will be unswayed by the volumes of facts, history, and logic, just as Democrat politicians will be undeterred in their quest for other people's money.
Ground Control| 5.3.12 @ 11:10AM
"In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder, bloodshed. They produced Michaelangelo, da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did they produce? The cuckoo clock."
(Harry Lime, played by Orson Welles, in "The Third Man.")
This is the mindset of the Socialist, that great suffering is good for society overall because it produces great "art." What Mr. Lime left off of his list was the first great event of the Renaissance, indeed the inspiration FOR the Renaissance: The Black Death. Great suffering inspiring great art. It is hard for a logical mind to understand this way of thinking. I personally would prefer 500 years of peace and a cuckoo clock, to centuries of suffering that results in Michaelangelo's works. But Socialists see if exactly the opposite. Because of its simplicity, Bozo's one word "Forward!" gives "hope" to those who see themselves as "suffering" even if their "suffering" was brought on by those who cry "Forward!" Mao murdered millions and is still seen as a great hero by Socialists, for no other reason than he wanted to move "Forward!".
Indy| 5.3.12 @ 8:51AM
There is much more on "Forward" than Mao, see the links below for more.
http://www.washingtontimes.com.....socialism/
http://www.trevorloudon.com/20.....mes-obama/
The state motto of WI is "forward"
USSAlabama| 5.3.12 @ 10:31AM
Wisconsin, home of that great “progressive,” Fighting Bob La Follette, who was born in 1855. What an amazing “progressive” coincidence.
Indy| 5.3.12 @ 1:02PM
Interesting how these "progressive" coincidences keep showing up.
Remember the 17 minute video "The Road We've Traveled" funny how it sounds oddly familar to anyone who has studied the progressive era.
"Out of sheer coincidence, supposed coiner of the term New Deal, Stuart Chase, wrote a book in 1942 called "The Road We Are Traveling." Or is it a coincidence? Read on an you be the judge. Is this a path toward greater freedom for mankind or is it the road to a new serfdom?...
In the book, Chase outlines how the world in 1942 is changing from a system based on "free enterprise" into a new, unknown system that he calls "X" Here is an excerpt from pages 94 to 97. One might go so far as to call this a "fundamental transformation."
much more at the link...
http://soquelbythecreek.blogsp.....other.html
Is Axlerod just amusing himself as he toys with those of us who study history or is Team O out in the open? I've not read Stuart Chase's book, I wonder if I can find an old copy.
Melvin| 5.3.12 @ 8:52AM
Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, all had one thing in common. They murdered millions of their citizens conducting their purges or cultural revolutions.
Mao alone murdered over 55 million Chinese, and that is the number that we know about.
The Left loves to tout the evils of Adolph Hitler.
But the truth of the matter is, Hitler was nothing compared to the millions upon millions of destroyed and crushed lives of Marxism.
The Russians, the Soviets, and the Chinese were promised a Utopian society, were every citizen was equal, and greeted each other as Comrade.
There was to be no rich or poor, but there was an elite. An elite that was very well insulated from the horrors of Socialism. They had summer homes or Dachas. They had motor vehicles with private drivers, and they never had to stand in long lines at the state run shop that was selling inferior toilet paper.
I suppose to the Socialist elites this was the Marxist utopia, that subjugated the masses into a life of misery, and indentured servitude to the state.
Can it happen here, to a Country that has fought Marxism for almost a century? Come to think of it the citizens of Russia, the Soviet Union, and China probably asked themselves the same question, before the darkness enveloped them.
Remember when the Empire State Building in New York City went Red for Communist China to celebrate it's 60th Anniversary in 2009?
How many of us will suffer under the Marxist Jack Boot, when our young idealistic brainwashed youth, bust down our front doors all in the name
of the, "The New Forward Revolution?"
Ground Control| 5.3.12 @ 10:54AM
You are absolutely corrrect. It is coming here. Socialism is about an idea, not about results. Ideas and slogans, "Forward!" looking, feel-good platitudes with no concrete accomplishments. Without the struggle, there is no victory. Without the disease, there is no cure. Without suffering, there is no going "Forward!" For millennia politicians have created and fomented artificial crises in order to provide the "solution" and move society "Forward!" And of course, those politicians have reaped the rewards of other people's suffering in the form of a very rich lifestyle and great public adulation.
JT| 5.3.12 @ 2:21PM
And their army of brainwashed drones educated in what is a pathetic educational system is growing by the year. Can't have a revolution without the cannonfodder to spend blood on to get it done.
Ignorance of history is the greatest weapon these tyrants have and they are using it to full effect. To see young people embracing the very same system that killed over 100 million under its jackboot is stunning. "It can't happen here" is the matra of ignorant fools as history repeats itself over and over, and the graves of the multitudes crushed under Marxist totalitarionism grows. This is truly the age of ignorance in this country.
mleppla@ec.rr.com| 5.3.12 @ 3:57PM
Does it always have to end like this JT? How many millions must suffer and perish, before someone gets tired of walking through all the killing fields, and says, "This philosophy just doesn't work."
Ground Control| 5.3.12 @ 6:24PM
Socialism is these people's life-blood. They will never admit its failure and never allow their philosophy to be held responsible for the millions killed by Socialists. It would render their entire adult lives worthless and wasted, and this is something they will never admit, no matter how many suffer and die from the practical implementation of their beloved philosophy. Remember Stalin's dictum: "I don't care if 3/4 of the World's population dies, as long as the remaining 1/4 is Communist." There is no reasoning with Socialists.
WL| 5.3.12 @ 4:11PM
You guys are exactly right. I am enjoying reading all of the comments as much as the article itself...
I guess I am a little bit of a sheeple too....
Because is sure is nice to know that I am not the only one who sees it so clearly!!!!!!
William Woodford| 5.3.12 @ 9:01AM
Mr. Lord could have benefitted from reading the recently published Frank Dikötter, “Mao’s Great Famine: The History of China’s Most Devastating Catastrophe, 1958-1962” (New York: Walker & Co., 2010). Among other things, it was an attempt to use the methodology of a command economy to raise mainland China to Britain’s level in paralled to Khrushchev’s use of similar methods to exceed the West. As Khrushchev told Western diplomats in 1956, “History is on our side. We will bury you.”
Peppermint Tea| 5.3.12 @ 9:04AM
But Mr. Lord,
The poster of the 3 Chinese sure makes them look happy. Surely Forward is the only way to go.
Mark| 5.3.12 @ 9:16AM
Thank you Mr. Lord for your contrasting Mao with Obama, which is why I always call him "ObaMao" in my posts. People think I'm crazy when I say if this marxist gets re-elected we'll all eventually be wearing those dingy grey chinese suits, like they wore in China under Mao. The Left is absolutely evil in their belief that they are smarter than the rest of us, and their endless desire to have certain Americans permanently control (rule through government) the rest of the population. Reagan always warned that we are just a generation away from losing freedom. And it's been a generation now since the 1980's and we are now at such a dangerous time!
Robodog7| 5.3.12 @ 9:30AM
"Sideways, to the Left" would be more accurate.
Anthony| 5.3.12 @ 9:32AM
Obozo's entire life is one stolen, carefully crafted composit of other people.
This man simply does not exist as himself.
CopyKatnj| 5.3.12 @ 9:36AM
The slogan was not a mistake.
labman57| 5.3.12 @ 10:45AM
Hey I get it -- "Forward" suggests progress ... which connotes progressives ... which, as we all know, equals Communists.
Silly "6 degrees of separation" games for simple right wing minds.
Time to break out the tin foil -- right wing Mad Hatters are off their meds again.
Hmmm. "Country First" sounds an awful lot like a Nazi slogan promoting The Fatherland ... in the same warped, delusional manner that "Forward" is connected Marxism ... or fascism ... or communism ... or Satanic worship ... or ....
Who needs facts and evidence when it's so much easier to use innuendo and speculation.
Desperate times call for desperate inferences and accusations, and the Republican Party has become increasingly desperate as November approaches.
Ground Control| 5.3.12 @ 11:17AM
You need to overcome your own ignorance. While "Forward!" SUGGESTS progress, it is in fact a word used by people who have caused REGRESSION of society and economics, and have directly caused the deaths of over 100 million people during the 20th Century. This is not a overwrought claim by "simple right wing minds." It is historical fact.
And there is no simpler or more simplistic way of thinking than the left wing. "Stupid" is an accurate description, since such minds eschew empirical information in favor of feeeeling good about what they want, but never accomplish. Frankly, you "get" nothing at all.
WL| 5.3.12 @ 4:41PM
GC, your reference to these people and their inability to process "empirical" information is something I have been thinking about for a long time...
That trait (a) and their inability to even remember what happen beyond 5 minutes ago (b)...
All leads to the reason it keeps happening (c)
WL| 5.3.12 @ 4:22PM
I have to admit...that your post did make me laugh...and I applaud the humor...
I just wish that when it came to your awareness of monitoring history with an objective point of view, you weren't an abject idiot that you are. I wish you would take a minute to ask yourself when the last time evil people inflicted mass trajedy on the world and murdered millions just after useful idiots (read: YOU) made fun of and had a real hoot laughing at the tin foil hatters. Hell, MORONS like you even laughed ol' Kooky Churchill out of parliament before needing him to turn around and lead them out of defeat...
Folks like you never learn. Your blind arrogance is just a result of you being stupid, and stupid is so deep in your core that you will never let it go or expel it from your pea brain.
On the Churchhill reference...Parliament was just like you even after the war...Once it was over they tossed ol' Churchill out on his butt....because when bombs and bullets weren't exposing them for what they were (Read: Idiots like you)...well...they could put up the facade again...
WL| 5.3.12 @ 4:23PM
That wasn't directed at you GC...it was for that idiot labman.
Louis Jenkins| 5.3.12 @ 10:49AM
Forward into what? More rules, more mandates, more requirements. Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead. Left helm and full speed (Titanic). Something is gonna sink, and I hope it will not be the ship of state. But knowing the great Liar in Chief, it may very well be. Four more years of this clown and we're sunk.
Oldefarte| 5.3.12 @ 10:51AM
FORWARD? Of course!!!!!:
http://youtu.be/U6DVOqdayU8
DRed| 5.3.12 @ 11:00AM
What about 'Forward Together'? That was Nixon's inaugural slogan.
No man can be fully free while his neighbor is not. To go forward at all is to go forward together.
No wonder Nixon went to China-he was a Maoist!
Dog Eating Son of a Polygomist| 5.3.12 @ 12:11PM
Great leap forward comrade DRed. Solyndra is where we're heading, toxic waste in an abandoned parking lot and the money no where to be seen. It is what we are about. Shake downs and blame is where we live. Just call me Il Duce. We are
what they call nuanced. Have you ever noticed how a liberal claims to be a 1/32 Native American and we give her freebies and educational opportunities and a 1/2 Native American on a tribal roll kills some black guys in Tulsa and we call him a white guy. That is nuanced. Not everybody can think like this. I hope you're happy with me keeping my rendition promise. We no longer do that to our enemies, maybe our friends as that dumb mf Chen found out. Trust me he didn't see it coming. I told him to say hi to Grandma under the bus. We were consistent with our values. Our values are if it is between me and you, you are going under that bus. Speaking of mfs we are going to using that bucket of economic knowledge John Corzine to help us get out of our problems. Well off to golf. They have some great courses in whatever secret location I am at. Michelle is going on vacation again and I will finally be able to eat some food again. She is cheating sometime. The junk in the trunk tells no lies, baby.
Pecos Pete| 5.3.12 @ 12:36PM
Dog: Junk in the trunk! Priceless,
George S| 5.3.12 @ 12:11PM
To be fair, Nixon was referring to a white man and a black neighbor. Going to China? That by itself doesn't say anything. However... he did give birth to the EPA so you may have a point. What better way to celebrate communism than introducing an agency whose sole function is to eat away private property rights.
Junius| 5.3.12 @ 11:07AM
Dear Leader Obama is not a socialist. He never was one. He is a communist and always has been. It was there for all to see from the very beginning of the 2008 campaign. It always puzzles and enrages me that even Republicans and Conservatives use the much less threatening label of "socialist" when discribing this wanna be Dictator and his commiecrat party minions. Now he feels strong enough to start revealing who he really was all along. A Communist. Everyone wake up, it is still not too late. Start calling him what he really is and enough of the pussy footing around the truth. Obama is a communist. Can't put it any plainer than that. Now you know what we are dealing with and we need to act accordingly.
If you vote for a democrat you are voting for communism.
Ground Control| 5.3.12 @ 11:19AM
Et tu, Brute? :-)
A Pismo Klamm| 5.3.12 @ 11:11AM
Not to mention Lenin and Stalin---The "Vpered" (Forward!) posters wer ubiquitous in the old Soviet Union...
Mike Hawk| 5.3.12 @ 11:17AM
Let's not forget that after the Great Leap crash and burn, the CHiCom society was so devastated Mao had to introduce "The Cultural Revolution" with all the students or 'Red Guards' running amok waving the little red book "Quotations from Chairman Mao" murdering the 'bourgeoisie ' or anyone remotely accused of being so. Millions murdered or tortured for the good of the Dictatorship of the Proletariot . Will Chairman Obozo be publishing "Quotations from Chairman BHO" ?? Stand by...
tadcf| 5.3.12 @ 11:18AM
What a stretch. Why doesn't he say that "Obama steals last word of Mao's slogan"? At least that would be more accurate.
Attila The Hun| 5.3.12 @ 11:36AM
'politically speaking this is one of the dumbest moves any campaign'
Not for the committed lefty ideologues. As far as Hussein Obama is concern Communism is the road to haven. Even tough 20th century clearly showed just the opposite. Weak up America knowingly or un-knowingly you have elected a committed Communist.
Bill| 5.3.12 @ 11:37AM
Actually, Obama is implementing Mao's theory: socialism.
Jack London| 5.3.12 @ 11:44AM
I have to say Jeffery Lord's articles are entertaining. What on earth goes on in his brain the other lord only knows but he can outdo even some of the more extreme AmSpec paranoid fearmongers. We are not worthy.
Riff Raff| 5.3.12 @ 12:45PM
Dhimm-Bulb.
Mike Hawk| 5.3.12 @ 1:04PM
A prime example of monosynapticism among the dentritically challenged left.
albert constantine jr.| 5.3.12 @ 1:24PM
JL;
If you really believed in the other Lord, in English, you capitalize the first letter of a proper noun.
Jack London| 5.3.12 @ 1:32PM
And you call yourself 'albert'?
I should have said 'lords' as who knows how many or how few there are.
Riff Raff| 5.3.12 @ 2:56PM
Clearly, you do not know, nor believe much of anything. Except THE ONE TRUE GOD: GOVERNMENT!
Dhimm-Bulb.
kathteach| 5.3.12 @ 11:47AM
Symbols matter. Obama began his presidency the first night with a very symbolic message.
Check out the Red and Black ensembles:
Obama, Michelle and their daughter on stage in Grant Park, Chicago – Election Night 2008.
http://tinyurl.com/d9apswh
The red-and-black flag is the symbol of the anarcho-syndicalist and anarcho-communist movements. Black is the traditional color of anarchism, and red is the traditional color of socialism (Wikipedia Red and Black)
Pelleas| 5.3.12 @ 11:50AM
FER CRYING OUT LOUD....
I suppose y'all would PREFER the "slogan"--"BACKWARDS"..?
(I ALWAYS thought that moving "forward" was the desired direction MOST PEOPLE would choose, in MOST instances, nu?)
Riff Raff| 5.3.12 @ 12:46PM
"Forward!" over a cliff! Yeah, that's the ticket. Drone.
Valdis Gailitis| 5.3.12 @ 11:53AM
"Obama Steals Mao's Slogan"....and his economic vision!
Valdis Gailitis| 5.3.12 @ 11:55AM
If I had the skill, I'd make a YouTube video of that Obama slogan, overlaid over the footage of lemmings going over the cliff! I bet it would go viral in 30 seconds! "Forward" as the sound of thundering herds run to extinction...need a catchy phrase to mock the Obama voters at the end though!
Purp| 5.3.12 @ 11:58AM
"Forward" is not the same as "Great Leap Forward" now is it? If there's any "Leap" it's your leap to the conclusion you've made. Do you get paid to write these columns? I'd ask for my money back if I were AS. This is such a non-issue - you couldn't find ANYTHING more important to discuss? Pitiful...
Jack London| 5.3.12 @ 12:23PM
Come on Purp - as I said above it is fascinating to get a grandstand seat to such a fractured mind. I would imagine though it's something his therapist is trying to put a stop to.
Dog Eating Son of a Polygomist| 5.3.12 @ 12:24PM
Flaming Chevy Volts for you, Perp. Did you have to bring up that great leap forward stuff? It was bad enough when that idiot Anita Dunn admitted how she had a thing for Chariman Mao and now you just say it outright. Millions of people got killed because of left wing economic experiments. Our left wing economic experiments only look like Mao's economic experiments. They are totally different. The jobs we created in China were real. Oh well I am so nuanced that nobody understands me. Look at Solyndra for example. It could have been very cool if things had gone better. Summer of recovery, baby. I don't where I am at but there is a par 3 at the first hole. Michelle away, baby.
Purp| 5.3.12 @ 1:12PM
You're right - your musings are a jumble and a puzzlement ...
Dog Eating Son of a Polygomist| 5.3.12 @ 3:22PM
How, my high cheek boned Perp! Stop drawing attention to my jumble and puzzlement. If we don't have that we don't have anything. All my forward looking goofy ideas have went the way that these same goofy ideas have always went in the past. At least nobody has been starved to death yet. That may be my new campaign slogan. My friends and money bundlers have made out like bandits so don't you worry. The tenth hole is a par five. I don't do well on these so I must concentrate. Rendition for all blind people, baby.
The Bruce| 5.3.12 @ 12:54PM
Apparently the Obama administration made the "leap" as well, after the MSM called him on it.
The slogan's been pulled. Not only that, the administration bullied Wikipedia into pulling the reference to Obama's reelection campaign on its page for "Forward."
While I'm sure Obama would have been proud to have his name in lights alongside Lenin, Stalin, and Mao, I guess his reelection staff thought it a bit too much.
The Bruce| 5.3.12 @ 12:58PM
Check out its current status:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_(Obama-Biden_Campaign_Slogan)
The Bruce| 5.3.12 @ 12:59PM
Sorry, link partially broken. Scroll down Wiki's page to the campaign slogan link.
Purp| 5.3.12 @ 1:14PM
I imagine if it was pulled, it was pulled because of the incessant whining you right wingnuts have done and will do ... take it away and you have nothing else to say...
albert constantine jr.| 5.3.12 @ 1:27PM
There is a difference between whining and mocking, but from your comments, you clearly don't understand it.
idalily| 5.3.12 @ 3:55PM
The right wing isn't whining. We're energized and determined and we LOATHE Obama and all he stands for so much that we will be at the polls like never before. Whining is the the left's job. All Bush's fault. Rascists! Tea baggers! Party of no! We haven't had enough time. This is too hard for one man to do in four years. I want my fair share (of someone else's money), you 1%ers are to blame for everything wrong with my life, I want my rent paid, my birth control paid, my student loans paid, you're taking my reproductive rights away because you won't pay for my pills, wah, wah, wah. Your side is the ones whining, Perp. Whining is ALL your side knows how to do. A plan? Nah. A budget? Nah. Constitutional heath care reform? Nah. I just want my fair share.
A pox on you and all the other greedy, lazy whiners who want to take my hard earned money while they sit on their asses and call me a racist. Screw you and theft you stand for.
Purp| 5.4.12 @ 3:54PM
Sure sounds like a lot of whining to me ... and ad hominem attacks and bigotry to boot. Won't matter he's going to win and you right wing troglodytes will keep whining - nobody's buying your argument anymore.
idalily| 5.4.12 @ 6:31PM
Ad hominem attacks! Wah, wah, wah. Biogtry! Wah, wah, wah. You whine with every post and this is a perfect example. You whine, you insult, your posts are facile and make NO sense, and you demonstrate no ability to do critical thinking.
As to the specific content of your post, what ad hominem attacks are you talking about? BE SPECIFIC. What bigotry? What arguments are people not buying? The ones that says keep your damn greedy hands out of my wallet?
Oldefarte| 5.3.12 @ 3:21PM
http://www.gocomics.com/
Oldefarte| 5.3.12 @ 3:24PM
See Glen McCoy cartoon [lower right]
Pelleas| 5.3.12 @ 12:19PM
Mr. Lord's unbelievably NAUSEATING mention that the Hitler Youth anthem was "Vorwarts, Vorwarts!)(Fowards)..and attempting to tie that in with this current political slogan is so beneath contempt, it is breath-taking--AND VERY VERY OBSCENE, TO BOOT..
BTW.. My bubbe's(grandmother's) favorite Yiddish languague newspaper was -"-The Daily Vorwartz" (Forward)-- and , as far as i KNOW-- she was NOT a member of the hitler-youth--OR a Chinese communist....
Todd S| 5.3.12 @ 2:38PM
No, just one of your garden variety Jewish (non- practicing of course) communist supporters with a preference for the Soviets over the Chicom's. Which explains you
Pelleas| 5.3.12 @ 2:55PM
Since my Grandmother was the daughter of a Cantor.. and of a famous Rabbinical family dynasty-- the last thing she could of been accused of was being a "non practicing Jew"--!
Todd S| 5.3.12 @ 3:38PM
Well you didn't deny the communist supporter part
Pelleas| 5.3.12 @ 4:05PM
NO-- MY GRANDMOTHER-- and her(our) entire family were/are proud to call ourselves Socialists--and have never denied it.!
Brainless liberal| 5.3.12 @ 5:19PM
Well it is a historical fact that many of Lenin's closest comrades including some of the most hardened killers in Lenin's and Stalin's gulags were of Jewish orgin but they rejected their religion for Marxism.
Jeffrey Lord| 5.3.12 @ 2:55PM
Pelleas...
Hello? Not to put to fine a point on it, but the Nazis were socialists....And the paper you refer to was, yes indeed, put out by socialists.
Pelleas| 5.3.12 @ 2:58PM
Mr. Lord:
Not even a fanatical shrill rabble-rouser as yourself is actually daring to connect the traditions of Jewish Bundist Socialism- which my grandmother was a firm believer in- with the Nazis--ARE YOU?
Jack London| 5.3.12 @ 3:20PM
In Lord's warped mind, real socialists - such as those who fought Franco in the Spanish civil war - were actually members of the master race with a plan to dominate by, er , restoring democracy and a republican state. No matter than the actual Nazis supported Franco.
If you read Lord's stream of gibberish in his articles you'll see he has no grasp whatsoever of history, or at least he pretends not to. I think he may be mentally ill.
DRed| 5.3.12 @ 3:34PM
Socialism isn't any sort of definable political or economic system to Jeff-it's just another tool to slander his political opponents. The term is meaningless as he uses it.
Janet| 5.5.12 @ 8:42AM
No argument there. Two words he obviously doesn't know are "Godwin's Law."
Todd S| 5.3.12 @ 3:40PM
She supported the Soviets Pelleas and we know they didn't get along too well for the Nazi's except for those first couple years of WWII.
Dog Eating Son of a Polygomist| 5.3.12 @ 12:31PM
Mr. Pllease, I got you the gig as Herr Scout Master for the Obama Youth Moverment. The kiddies eventually had to visit Grandma under the bus. Remember that this week's quote from our Dear Leader is "lead from behind." That will be right up your alley. High speed rail to the Solyndra parking lot, baby.
Mike Hawk| 5.3.12 @ 1:08PM
Please refraim from insulting the Boy Scouts of America. They are a quintessential American youth organization teaching responsibility, patriotism and life skills. Obama youth get no such thing.
Dog Eating Son of a Polygomist| 5.3.12 @ 3:26PM
Ok smarty pants. What did they call the adult leaders for the Hitler Youth? You conservatives really are pretty smart. I listen and try to learn from you whenever it doesn't affect my never ending golf outings. I certainly couldn't learn from the gay trolls that inhabit this web site. Perp, Jackl, and Mr. Palllease don't even realize that they are practicing fascists.
Dick Nome| 5.3.12 @ 3:42PM
Watch how you phrase things. You sound like a Joe Biteme if you don't.
Nick Dome| 5.4.12 @ 3:23PM
What is the matter with you? You can't criticize the Anointed Dog Easting Son of a Polygomist One! What if he refuses to continue to grace us with his cool? We are the ones who have been waiting for him to heal Gaoa!
Think, man! You don't diss the One who tranformationally changed his ancestral muslim polygamy to polygomy on top of transformationally changing both Mother Gaea AND Mother Gaia to Mothor Gaoa! What is WRONG with you? Is your moniker a clever alias for Circumcision or what?
Purp| 5.3.12 @ 1:15PM
Solyndra was an example of capitalism - to make an omelet, some eggs get broken...
Anthony| 5.3.12 @ 1:35PM
Hey Purp you moron, do you know who coined the phrase "to make an omelet...."
It was Lenin, and I'm not talking the dead Beatle either.
Solyndra is to capitalism as rationality is to leftism. The concepts are mutually exclusive.
Purp| 5.4.12 @ 3:55PM
No shit .... duh - and your point?
George S| 5.3.12 @ 2:24PM
Really? How can I score half a billion to build a factory to make a product nobody wants and (consequently) is already available dirt cheap from China? If I can't get it from you voluntarily, it ain't capitalism.
Jack London| 5.3.12 @ 3:29PM
Solyndra was a commercial company that received government support, just as many others have in various forms (eg tax breaks).
Brainless liberal| 5.3.12 @ 3:46PM
The only reason Solyndra failed is because they did not receive enough stimulus money and the oil companies paid off the Chinese to bankrupt the noble green company. You can't expect to run a business with a measly $500 millions, $50 billion like GM got and we would have affordable solar power panels for all! But the oil companies won't be satisfied until every last polar bear has drowned and the 50th floor of the Empire State Building is the new sea level, I saw that in a movie.
idalily| 5.3.12 @ 4:12PM
Really? How much stimulus money would Solyndra have needed to be a success?
THIS is what I'm so tired of. Working my ass off only to have liberals keep demanding more and more and more. The Dept of Energy was created by the Carter Admin to lower our dependence on foreign oil. How'd that work out? We've spent billions on it, and we're more dependent than ever. The Dept. of Education was created to give our children a better education, and things have only gotten worse, leading to liberal demands for even more money to fix the problem. The stimulus wasn't big enough. Give us MORE and we'll fix it. All we need is enough government money and we'll have affordable solar. Affordable for whom? Not the taxpayer, who spent billions to give us this affordable solar that's nowhere near a reality. Gimme, gimme, gimme is the liberal philosophy. It's like listening to a two-year old.
This is the problem with liberals. They are insatiable in their demands for my money. And yet nothing ever truly gets accomplished with the dough. And I am tired of working like a dog to dump money down the rathole that is liberal philosophy. There isn't enough money in the world to rid us of your incessant demands. There never will be. Go away, liberal, and if you want waste money, fine. Waste yours. Not mine.
Todd S| 5.3.12 @ 5:22PM
Funny how satire goes over some peoples head no matter how obvious it seems. Brainless liberal should be your first clue.
idalily| 5.3.12 @ 8:20PM
Sorry, I don't usually need a sarc tag to see the sarcasm. I guess I did this time! It just touched a nerve.
George S| 5.3.12 @ 6:02PM
Hey, Jack... long time. Tax breaks happen after you risk your own capital and make money. That is, you first have to risk the capital, make a return and then incur a tax liability that can be credited or made deductable. Risk means that you have to be willing to lose in order to gain; if you lose, no one can be forced to pay you back. However, the market (society including government) can benefit from certain innovations -- such as energy, food, medicines, etc. -- therefore the public (government's masters) can agree to entice the risk of capital by rewarding investors with a tax credit or tax deduction in exchange of taking a risk on an unrecoverable loss.
Solyndra was not a risk venture. The people were stripped of their sovereignty and robbed at threat of imprisonment (try deducting the Solyndra loss from your 1040 Schedule A) to give that cash -- in the form of an unsecured loan that needn't be paid back -- to Obama's campaign contributors in lieu of them soliciting private funds. Name one Democrat who risked their own money.
So this is not public support. This is robbery; theft of the U.S. Treasury. Of course it does not compare with the heinous crimes of ripping off people by selling low cost Chinese imports or pricing health insurance premiums to cover the disbursement of claims. Products, by the way, people freely and willingly choose to buy.
The left has always had a problem with people who earn a lot of money because they think money is a resource and the rich get to hog it all. But when certain rich people -- who happen to support Democrats -- get their money from theft of public tax dollars, why... why... that is capitalism breaking some eggs to make an omelet.
Purp| 5.4.12 @ 3:57PM
"available from China" is the operative words. They were out-competed, something you enjoy I thought - market forces, right? Bunch of bs - China does not play by fair market rules. But go ahead, let them do it and let them own all the technology. So much for American exceptionalism.
Dick Nome| 5.3.12 @ 3:43PM
Solyndra was Fascism pure and siple, crony socialist capitalism at best. Certainly not free market commerce.
Jack London| 5.3.12 @ 4:01PM
Private investors lost a lot more than the gov. And Solyndra was only a small part of the government's investment program, which as this extract from Forbes shows:
"Critics have seized on the news of Solyndra’s bankruptcy to condemn the Department of Energy’s Loan Guarantee Program, which provided a $535 million loan guarantee in 2009. The National Review’s Greg Pollowitz writes that Solyndra’s failure shows “why the government should not play venture capitalist.” Yet the fact is that, when judged by its entire diverse portfolio of investments, the LGP has performed remarkably well. Indeed, with a capitalization of just $4 billion, DOE has committed or closed $37.8 billion in loan guarantees for 36 innovative clean energy projects. The Solyndra case represents less than 2% of total loan commitments made by DOE, and will be easily covered by a capitalization of eight to ten times larger than any ultimate losses expected following the bankruptcy proceedings.
"The broad success story of the LGP shows why federal investment in clean energy is necessary to help early-stage clean energy technologies achieve scale and reach commercialization. The inherent uncertainty in investing in novel technologies, coupled with the high capital costs and long time horizons, prohibits most venture capital funds from investing in large-scale clean energy projects. Financing tools and direct investment from the federal government can help bridge this well-known “Commercialization Valley of Death,” and the LGP is an effective way of doing that."
From the Desk of Media Matters| 5.3.12 @ 5:42PM
Penelope Rachel Pantywaste Jacquelina Moscow Maddow Pelosi Head So Far Up Barney Frank's Ass Someone Should Call An Ambulance Only No One Cares Enough To Bother And More Than A Few Have Threatened Bodily Harm To Anyone Who Does,
MM staff is conflicted on this one.
On the one hand, MM staff just won enough money from our bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrot office pools today to buy a whole new set of clubs, and to join both The Augusta National Golf Club and The Royal And Ancient Golf Club Of Saint Andrews, and for air fare for all the rounds we could ever hope to play the next 6 years, all this cash won betting on how stupid a source you would attempt to cite.
On the other hand MM staff is mortified being associated with the same organization as such a pathetic shit for brains as you.
Your cited quotation you pathetic idiot is from an article last year by three authors:
Jesse Jenkins has lead a youth organization that "is a paradigm-shifting think tank committed to modernizing liberal thought for the 21st century" that was "founded to modernize liberal-progressive-green politics".
Devon Swezey was a "fellow" at the same youth organization and has worked as a "organizer for the Obama For America campaign".
Alex Trembath is a "recent graduate" in "Environmental Studies".
Stop embarrassing and discrediting pathetic shit for brained fucking idiots who have not pathetically ignored truth and reality for years at the same website despicably.
- MM staff
George S| 5.3.12 @ 6:39PM
Jack. Read the whole article. It is basically saying that rich fat cat one percenters shouldn't have to risk their own money so government can indefinitely pursue the futile quest to develop new energy sources that can never replace fossil fuels.
I have nothing against new energy sources. But when we have plenty of the stuff that works, I see no reason to risk my money. Ask Al Gore -- he didn't invest one dime of his stash. Why not?
Purp| 5.4.12 @ 3:58PM
Jack - you are right on. Panty waste here has his head stuck up his a** - as usual.
From the Desk of Media Matters| 5.4.12 @ 5:16PM
Paula Penelope Jacquelina Rachel Moscow Maddow Pansy Boxerandbriefwaste Pelosi Barney's Sex Organ Your Head Is Up Is Muffling What You Said,
Even our bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrots are wondering if you are actually talking to yourself about yourself while talking about yourself.
Of course our bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrots continue to wonder why you continue to post when MM stopped paying you over a year ago.
Our bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrots, having such a good time giggling like schoolgirls at your expense it's preternaturally unsettling, are wondering if your talking to yourself about yourself while talking about yourself are self selfself and selfselfself satisfied because of the integrity and credibility of the cited paradigm-shifting committed liberal-progressive-green political youth indoctrinator, the cited Osamabamalama campaign community organizer, or the cited recent student.
Apparently our bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrots managed an office pool without MM staff knowledge, which really has their legs tingling with your recent comment above:
"nobody's buying your argument anymore".
Please please please please stop being so pathetically pathetic.
- MM staff
idalily| 5.3.12 @ 4:00PM
Solyndrya was THEFT, not capitalism. It was the forcible taking of my tax dollars to fund a company that never did anything, declared bankruptcy, and made Obama's friends richer. Solyndra was fascism at its finest, where the workers pay so the politicians and their crony CEO pals can get even richer with MY money. But damn don't we all feel good about all that green energy Solyndra produced. Oh, wait...
Purp| 5.4.12 @ 3:59PM
Whine, whine, whine - as if you pay much in taxes. If you are this dense, you sure can't be making much money - and if that's true, "Blame Yo'self" not others.
idalily| 5.4.12 @ 6:38PM
I pay huge taxes. I am a middle class, self-employed, hard working person who grew up poor, put myself through college and EARNED every frickin' dime I have and never took one single cent from any government program to do it. And I make a decent, average living at what I do. And then we have YOU, Perp, and all the others who think like you. Who whine and blame and attack and insult everyone who doesn't agree with them, yet who can make NO cogent arguments for their side, articulate no principles whatsoever, and make NO moral justification for why they have the right to take my HARD EARNED money and give it to others the government deems more worthy of it than I am, and do this without my consent. Screw you and all the socialist leeches like you. Go earn your own money and leave mine alone.
Oldefarte| 5.3.12 @ 4:25PM
No, capitalism doesn't [or shouldn't] involve the government [when it does, it's called socialism instead]!!!!!!!!!
Purp| 5.4.12 @ 3:59PM
REally? Go ask Alexander Hamilton what he thinks of that idea... you are definitely NOT with the Founders.
Tim| 5.3.12 @ 12:41PM
I think its a leap and a big one to actually think Obama and his administration is using this as a closet style wink to the Mao followers either here there or in his own back yard in Chicago.
Obama is a socialist sure but to suggest he follows Mao's teachings is a bit of a stretch.
Marx yes but Mao and Stalin I think don't sit well with Obama. His kind are more uthopian Karl Marx stereotypes.
But I do find the posts on Northern Agression in the USA interesting because Nothing has really changed.
Last time I checked, the Mega Rich Northeast Liberal Political establishment runs the political and economic show regardless if they call themselves Democrats or Rinos.
BTW--Im glad slavery was obolished!
kathteach| 5.3.12 @ 12:47PM
So the choice of colors for the entire Obama family at Grant Park on Election night 2008 was just a coincidence?
Hmmmm - I think it was a very strong, intentional symbol.
Pelleas| 5.3.12 @ 1:33PM
When the colors of one's clothing indicate a hidden "political agenda" to a paranoid mind, - ya just KNOW the the "thinking" on this site is skewed towards insanity
TAS MAN IAN| 5.3.12 @ 2:17PM
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Todd S| 5.3.12 @ 2:44PM
Karl Marx was no dreamy Utopian, he would have approved whole heatedly with Lenin's revolution and always pushed for a violent revolution with no half measures. Mao and Stalin just followed the course of action that Karl Marx prescribed. Actually I think Lord used the wrong example with Mao as Karl Marx and Engels were the ones who promoted the Forward slogan which became ubiquitous in the Soviet Union.
kathteach| 5.3.12 @ 12:49PM
Sorry - in my reply I meant to include an image to the very symbolic picture of the Obama family on election night (the source is Minnesota Public Radio - I think that's reliable - plus - I was there!)
Symbols matter. Obama began his presidency the first night with a very symbolic message.
Check out the Red and Black ensembles:
Obama, Michelle and their daughter on stage in Grant Park, Chicago – Election Night 2008.
http://tinyurl.com/d9apswh
Paul in Colorado| 5.3.12 @ 4:51PM
I agree Kathteach - I was shocked when the President Elect brought his family on stage dressed in scarlet and black. Short of wrapping them in a Sandinista flag and playing the Internationale, he could not have been more clear in his message.
Jabber3| 5.3.12 @ 1:38PM
Forward is an adjective having several meanings including presumptuous (presuming, arrogant, conceited) and impertinent (not showing proper respect, rude). Forward may be entirely apropos for this president.
kathteach| 5.3.12 @ 2:00PM
You are right Jabber 3 - this kind of multi-code, equivocating word symbol is perfect for this particular president!
Mike G| 5.3.12 @ 2:01PM
"Forward!"
I think it's a perfect slogan--it's simple--it's concise--I only wish he hadn't made a u-turn first.
TLP| 5.3.12 @ 2:38PM
Can you say......ALL IN?
The Narccissist is getting Careless. And, by careless, I mean - Reckless. And, by reckless, I mean - Dangerous.
Everybody saw The Omen, right? Everybody saw The Boys From Brazil?
Now, combine the two, add in the Book of Revelation, and you've got "The One we've Been Waiting For". Only now, he's starting to get anxious.
Forward. What a beautiful display of Homage, to the Progressive Works of George Orwell, and his Prophetic use of the term: "NEW-SPEAK". Forward.
The choice of the word should come as no surprise. Like the "Bread Crumbs" left for Will Smith's character, in the Movie - I Robot - this is just one more CLUE. (As if we needed any more.)
These "Bread Crumbs" have been popping up since the Campaign. Joe the Plumber was one of the more obvious ones. Maxine Waters, being keenly aware of whom he was, let the next one out of the bag with her 'slip of the tongue' about what "This Democrat would do" if the Oil Companies refuse to bend their knee.
Her Excellency dropped a Breadcrumb on the Campaign Trail, when she announced that: "Barack will never let you "GO BACK" to your old lives. He will change the way we do things, moving "FORWARD". He will change our History. He will change our Traditions."
SIEG HEIL!
(Isn't she great?)
We got a Bread Crumb in the admission of the former SEIU Chief - Michael Lerner - who, upon seeing that his Movement was in good hands, resigned his Post, proclaiming that he was going FORWARD, to make the Slogan: Workers of the World Unite, in to a reality. The Arab Spring would soon begin, and the Flotillas would soon follow. They were on the ground in Tunisia, in Egypt, and in Libya. They are NOT on the ground in Syria. (Interesting)
FOREWARD.
We had his Press Liason - Anita Dunn - announcing that The greatest Mass Murderer of the 20th Century - Mao Tse Tung - was one of her two favorite sources of inspiration, whenever the grinds of every day life, would get her down.
The Muslims Economic Czar (I don't care what his name is.) proclaimed that: "We get it. The Free Market is a joke, and Mao was right when he said that Power flows from the Barrel of a Gun."
His FCC Chairman went all "Premature" in his pants, when he gushed about his ENVY of the way Hugo Chavez had stormed all the Radio and Television Stations, on his way to "Preserving his "Beautiful Revolution".
And, of course, who can forget the CLENCHED FIST of Marxist Revolution, so proudly displayed on the Protest Placards of the Union Street Gangs in Madison, and elsewhere, belonging to this Son of an Atheist Communist, and a Muslim Marxist?
Although the openness of this blatant change in Strategy, comes off as Brazen,we can see that this move FORWARD has already started, as The Boy from Indonesia, works tirelessly to drag us backward. Away from the Factories, and back in to the Fields. That's what Mao did. That's what Lenin did. That's what Stalin, Min, and Pol Pot did.
It didn't work, because it never works. Because it can't work. It's like putting the Square Peg in to the Round Hole. But their Egos will never let them be swayed by the FACTS, or by HISTORY, or by REALITY. They will have their way, the only way they can. The only way one ever gets the Square Peg in to an uncooperative Round Hole. They will use a Hammer. And, when that doesn't work? They'll get a BIGGER HAMMER, and they'll hit it HARDER. Until the Peg, inevitably, shatters in to pieces.
Just as it always has.
Harrison | 5.3.12 @ 2:54PM
You don't move "forward" by looking back and blaming Bush.
jlt| 5.3.12 @ 2:56PM
Move BS from the repub 'make it up' gaggle! Take it out of context or lie or just attempt to co-opt someones elses lines..
Is there anything 'authentic' on the right wing side!
Paul| 5.3.12 @ 3:13PM
Man, what a stupid article. So the new claim is that the word "forward" means Obama is a communist. The fact that he talks about "hope" makes him just like Mao. What are you guys, seven years old?
Didn't anyone ever tell you it's better (read: more accurate) to judge someone by his actions than his words? Especially, it's never a good way to understand the world by judging someone by the hyper-partisan interpretation of those words.
Instead, look at Obama's actions, and then try and find an example of communist policies. Obamacare? That was written by republicans in the 90s, and implemented by Mitt in Mass. If that's your example, then you'll need to take a hard look at the commie pinkos in the GOP.
Every rational political observer sees Obama as a modern centrist who would be to the right of most past republicans. I know that doesn't create an effectively scary rallying cry to go vote him out. I guess that's why you guys all prattle about this nonsense; you think it makes for a strong campaign. Sad...
"Dub" Holston| 5.3.12 @ 3:37PM
Amen.
From the Desk of Media Matters| 5.3.12 @ 6:17PM
Penelope Polly Paula Jaquelina Rachel Wasserman-Pelosi Schultz-Olbermann O'Donnell-Matthews Maddox-Moscow,
Even our other bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrots cannot believe you posted
"Every rational political observer sees Obama as a modern centrist who would be to the right of most past republicans"
Even our other bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrots assumed your past humiliations at this web site had convinced you to stay away.
Even our other bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrots are seeing dollar signs through their office pool winnings should you elect to stick around for more of the same.
Stop embarrassing and discrediting even your previous embarrassing and discredited posts here.
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Paul| 5.3.12 @ 9:58PM
What an interesting rebuttal.
I can only assume that if you had a valid argument to refute my claims, that you would have used it. The fact that you spent your first several words simply making jokes about my name, and then spent the rest of your comment copying the same insipid clause over and over again ("Even our other bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrots") really says it all.
Seriously, whatever point you may have been trying to make would have done a lot better had you remained silent.
From the Desk of Media Matters| 5.3.12 @ 10:53PM
Polly Penelope Paula Barney Waters Waxman Wasserman,
Even our other bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrots know that's the trouble with bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrots, but are too mindlessly retarded to know better.
Our bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrots have started another bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrot office pool on the likelihood you remain silent after reviewing the link, and another bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrot office pool as to your inevitable response since you are a bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrot too mindlessly retarded to remain silent.
http://spectator.org/archives/.....ent_616575
Your bottom rung MM mindless retarded parroting begins approximately a third of the way down the comments of the link, not that this will help a bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrot find where his own bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrots commie comments are much.
Stop embarrassing and discrediting the perfectly embarrassing and discredited commie comments you have already left here.
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Paul| 5.3.12 @ 10:59PM
Egad, I feel kinda bad for you now, since it seems you might be mentally disabled. If there are any adults where you are, they should be ashamed for letting you fiddle with the computer unsupervised.
From the Desk of Media Matters| 5.4.12 @ 1:46PM
Egon Penelope Ray Polly Peter Paula Pelosi Winston Waxman Walter Waters Gozer Wasserman,
Lucky MM staff threw out a flyer on the bottom rung MM mindless retarded commie parrot office pool that you would fail to remain silent before even reviewing the link. Or possibly luck had nothing to do with it. Either way, MM staff has always wanted our very own golf cart and can now afford one.
MM staff can afford a second golf cart - one for the course - one for the office top floor - with slight modification to the office service elevater MM staff can also afford should it be verified you have as of noon 4 May eastern daylight time not yet been able to yet locate your bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrot commie comments in the link provided.
MM staff is pondering various other perks MM staff can afford such as extensive modification to the office executive facilities to provide golf cart accessibility should MM staff win bottom rung MM mindless retarded commie parrot office pools on your pending inevitable commie responses.
MM staff along with our other bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrots are pondering how to successfully implement a bottom rung MM mindless retarded commie parrot over / under office pool as to the number of readers who do locate your bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrot commie comments that serve to humiliate and shame your bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrot commie self - that can then serve to create office pools implemented inevitably in response to your pending inevitable commie responses possibly in perpetuity - all from the link provided to your bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrot commie comments you the bottom rung MM mindless retarded commie parrot probably have been as of noon unable to locate.
Stop embarrassing and discrediting the embarrassing and discreditable commie comments you are inevitably going to leave here.
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ATB| 5.3.12 @ 3:16PM
FORWARD is a brilliant choice! It has caused the most hilarious spewing of right-wing conspiracy fantasy ever observed. Enough to keep Stewart and Colbert busy for months. Thank you.
"Dub" Holston| 5.3.12 @ 3:45PM
"Forward" is a Maoist slogan? And here I was thinking the president was quoting a Toyota ad campaign. But seriously, it's a great choice. It's concise, catchy and slyly suggests the Republican alternative: "Backwards."
leaves the Republicans with few options for a slogan forces to the Republicans to for the simple reason it reveals the Republican campaign slogan for 2012: "Backwards."
albert constantine jr.| 5.3.12 @ 4:00PM
DH;
“leaves the Republicans with few options for a slogan forces to the Republicans to for the simple reason it reveals the Republican campaign slogan for 2012: ‘Backwards.’”
I know there is great pressure to meet your quota with remarks posted, but there is a second button to the left labeled “Preview”. If you hit that and read your post, you can correct errors before they appear. Failing that, you can correct in the “Reply to This” space.
Unfortunately for you (and those others who took the time to read it), the above string of gibberish is a window into your confused mind.
Paul in Colorado| 5.3.12 @ 3:51PM
"Forward!" You bet. They can't even get that right. The actual destination of the Merry Prankster's bus was "Further", and that is a much more accurate characterization of President Obama's plans for a second term
RCV| 5.3.12 @ 4:11PM
Can Jeffrey Lord get any sillier?
idalily| 5.3.12 @ 4:16PM
Funny. The question I keep asking is: Can Obama get any more incompetent? And then he does! It's amazing.
Oldefarte| 5.3.12 @ 4:28PM
Most of us don't think it's silly.....but we do think that this POTUS is SAD!!!!!!!!!!
Paul| 5.3.12 @ 4:44PM
The fact that most of you don't think it's silly to call Obama a communist because he used the word "further" really underscores what's gone wrong with the modern GOP.
This country desperately needs competent, mature opposition parties. This whole "dumb and dumber" schtick really doesn't help.
Todd S| 5.3.12 @ 5:28PM
Try forward dummy. Why doesn't he just make it "Forward to fundamental change", doesn't that just inspire you? It is not like he appointed any open communists (Van Jones) or admirers of the biggest mass murderer (Anita Dunn) in history? Or mentored by a guy named Frank in Hawaii who just happened to be Frank Marshall Davis who was a card carrying member of the Communist Party. Should I continue?
Paul| 5.3.12 @ 5:47PM
Please, by all means, continue. But I have one request: rather than bring up all these inferences of communism ("Oh, he appointed that guy!!"), instead show me actual communist policies that were enacted. I mean, if the administration is chock full of communists as you say, we must be midway through a full-on Bolshevik-style revolution, no? Show me that.
Todd S| 5.3.12 @ 6:06PM
They don't have the foot soldiers for a good communist revolution, look at the pathetic turnout for the Occupy rallies. Obamacare is his plan to transfer our health care system to single payer system like all communist and socialist countries have, just need a transition period as he has stated himself on tape as there is no general support for it just to impose. We have checks and balances to try to prevent his socialist agenda and in November we will get rid of the socialist clown once and for all. And the Supreme Court is likely to rule Obamacare unconstitutional by the sounds of it. His constant demonizing of oil companies and banks is straight out of the Alinsky playbook to polarize and freeze which he was well schooled in as a community organizer in Chicago. Not to mention Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers among others, the bozo loves his leftist radicals.
DRed| 5.3.12 @ 7:14PM
So no, you've got nothing to show he's a communist. Canada has single-payer health (and a red flag!!!!!) care-should we be worried about the red menace to our north? What about England? Is England a communist country? (redcoats!!!!)
Paul| 5.3.12 @ 9:56PM
So, if Obamacare is the "plan to transfer our health care system to single payer system like all communist and socialist countries have," what do you think of the fact that this model was conceived by republicans in the early 90s and implemented by that guy you're voting for in November? Are you really claiming that Romney and the GOP are all communists?
Paul| 5.3.12 @ 11:20PM
Funny how none of you can answer my question. Obamacare is the worst thing to happen to the country ever. Except the plan was formulated and originally implemented by republicans. Following that inconvenient fact......silence.
Priceless.
Dictionary| 5.4.12 @ 4:00PM
implemented:
having put into practical effect (past tense)
Dictionary| 5.4.12 @ 4:01PM
fact:
knowledge or information based on real occurances
E. P. A.| 5.3.12 @ 9:21PM
Ahem
Dictionary| 5.3.12 @ 9:26PM
communism:
a political movement based on class conflict; any leftist political activity or thought
idalily| 5.4.12 @ 6:42PM
Paul is the guy our money is being stolen to pay for. Stealing from Peter will never make Paul rich, but he keeps trying.
Paul| 5.7.12 @ 10:50PM
I love it! Right above are 5 utterly vacuous responses where the commenter had the opportunity to try and explain why Obamacare is so horrible and yet was created by republicans.
I think that pretty well says it all.
Dictionary| 5.8.12 @ 11:39AM
10th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States:
the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people
The reason, however misguided, state government medical insurance was implemented in Massachusetts is that it is in fact constitutional. Republicans, all too often all too similar to democrats, are, unlike demcrats, from time to time capable of learning from the mistakes of the past.
The reason, however self-evident, implementation of national mandatory government medical insurance has been contested - even in fact by the very organizations that in fact supported its implementation that have in fact been granted waivers from its very implementation to date by the very democrats in fact that unconstitutionally in fact began implementing it - is that it is in fact unconstitutional. Republicans, from time to time capable of learning from mistakes, are currently implementing procedures to insure that the in fact unconstitutionality of national mandatory government medical insurance is self-evidently obvious to the degree that in fact known unconstitutional ideologically democrat supporting supreme court justices will even agree it is in fact unconstitutional.
idiot:
any liberal; Paul re: 'implemented', 'fact', 'communism', 'delusion', 'non sequitur', 'derp'
Paul| 5.8.12 @ 4:34PM
So your halfwitted claim is that the 10th amendment reserves this power for the state, or the people. So which is it, the state or the people?
To answer that question, you'll need to show me where in the MA state constitution this power is enumerated. Show me how the state of MA has the constitutional power to require people to buy products from private companies.
What's that? It's not in there?
So your whole argument is invalid. Republicans do not oppose Obamacare because they've learned from mistakes. They quite obviously have not learned anything, given that the same disastrous Bush team is now advising Romney. No, the republicans are congenitally unable to learn from mistakes. That's perhaps their defining characteristic. Rather, republicans oppose Obamacare out of the congressional goal they set for themselves in 2010: to deny a 2nd term for Obama. That's their singular objective in politics right now. To accomplish that, they realize they need to make things bad for the American people. They're doing that in many ways, including attempt to repeal Obamacare which a majority of Americans want. They're also working to keep the recession going and unemployment up by stopping any further stimulus or tax cuts for the less-than-ultra-rich.
Trying to make all this sound principled only makes you seem even more stupid.
Dictionary| 5.8.12 @ 5:11PM
read:
to examine or grasp the meaning of written or printed words or sentences
idiot liar:
Paul, as an examination and grasp of the meaning of the printed words of sentences written in posts here attest, words of sentences in which Paul repeated deliberately false meanings as true, as for example pointed out under Dictionary's definitions here of 'read', 'tenth amendment', 'implemented', 'facts', 'communism', 'delusion', 'non sequitur', 'derp', and pointed out in the link to comments (approximately a third of the way down) provided from the desk of media matters referred to above, here, also attest:
http://spectator.org/archives/.....s-together
all of which can be examined and grasped by any reader no matter how many times the idiot liar Paul uses deliberately false words in sentences repeatedly.
Paul| 5.8.12 @ 5:18PM
By this non-response, you seem to acknowledge that no, Romneycare is no more constitutional than Obamacare, your attempt to pretend otherwise notwithstanding. However, because you're not very bright and are unable to learn from past mistakes, you're unable to state this plainly and instead have to quote from the dictionary. That must suck.
Don't worry. Almost all republicans find themselves in your spot with increasing frequency, ever since you conclusively lost the battle of ideas during the last republican majority. Get used to it.
Dictionary| 5.8.12 @ 6:44PM
spot:
awkard situation; a blemish, stain, or pimple; to sully
idiot liar:
Paul, failing to grasp that no matter how many times he the idiot liar deliberately lies idiotically readers can examine he the idiot liar's:
non-response to 'read'
non-response to 'tenth amendment'
non-response to 'implemented'
non-response to 'facts'
non-response to 'communism'
non-response to 'delusion'
non-reponse to 'non sequitur'
and he Paul the idiot liar's deliberate repeated non-reponses to the link,
http://spectator.org/archives/.....s-together
including this but just one example of the dozens and dozens of past dozens of dozens of mistakes he Paul the idiot liar has made by idiotically lying in addition to non-responding to:
~
idiot liar Paul on 9/4:
"all your questions boil down to the fact that you don't know what Marxism is, and yet here we are on an article where that term is getting bandied about by you and others who don't know what they're talking about. At least you've had the honesty to ask!
Marxism is the philosophy of Karl Marx (1818-1883). (That's why they call it that.) He's primarily known through 2 works: The Communist Manifesto and Das Capital. To be a Marxist is to follow the ideology as written in those books. Since you've never read those books and have absolutely no idea what they're about, it frees you to refer to people as "marxists" even though they're the furthest thing from.
Marx boiled down all human interaction to its fundamental component, the labor power provided by an individual worker. He believed that this labor power must result in the ownership of the products of that labor, and to separate a worker from the fruits of his labor was to separate man from his own nature.
That's what Marx believed. However, just as we see with Christianity, what has passed as Marxism rarely conforms to the ideals espoused by its leader. Marxism normally includes the concept of "continuous revolution," where the people are constantly renewing the primacy of their ownership of the means and results of production.
By the way, I am no Marxist. Simply because I know about a topic doesn't mean I'm a follower of that topic.
Now, compare the above to anything Obama has done, and the stupidity of this comparison quickly becomes apparent to anyone with an IQ over 60."
~
just one of dozens of rebutters with one of the dozens and dozens of rebuttals to the idiot liar Paul that exposed that Paul the idiot liar was an idiot and a liar without any integrity or credibility:
"all your comments boil down to the fact you don't know what teabaggers are, and yet here we are on an article where the term is getting bandied about by you and no others but you don't know what you're talking about. And you're not honest enough to admit it!
Teabagging is the activity of teabaggers. (That's why they call it that.) It's primarily known through 2 groups: homosexuals and liberals. To be a teabagger is to engage in the abominably sexually deviant perverted actions of a degenerate. Since you've not understood this and have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, it somehow frees you to refer to tea partiers as "teabaggers" even though they're the furthest thing from.
Teabagging boiled down is human interaction that is based on the fundamental component of irrational desire, a loathing and disrespect for themselves and each other. It is believed that this behavior is unhealthy physically, mentally, emotionally, socially, financially, and spiritually, and it separates the participants from their Creator and from their own human nature.
That's not what teabaggers believe. However, just as we see with liberalism, what passes for morality rarely conforms to the will for them espoused by their Creator. Teabaggers normally include the concept of "continuous defiance of reality", where the teabaggers are constantly renewing the primacy of their ownership in their relative morality.
By the way, you seem to be a teabagger. Simply because you call others teabaggers doesn't mean anyone else is really fooled by that.
Now, compare the above to anything a tea partier has done, and the stupidity of calling them teabaggers becomes apparent to anyone with an IQ over 60."
~
Paul, failing to grasp that no matter how many times he the idiot liar deliberately lies idiotically whether about Obamacare, communism, marxism, or the activity he the idiot liar is obsessed with teabagging, he Paul the idiot liar has only ever responded with idiotic lies
- as readers can examine and grasp for themselves here and at the link provided.
Paul| 5.8.12 @ 7:06PM
Look, I get that you lack the resources to be able to carry on a coherent conversation. That, above all, is what you've demonstrated here. On top of that, you've helped me establish that Romneycare is no more constitutional than Obamacare, and that the republican objection to the latter has nothing to do with principle. Beyond that, you have fully demonstrated your ability to use the copy-and-paste function, for which you can be proud.
As for your various non-sequiturs (and I know you know what that means, since you just looked it up a few days ago), no, I'm not responding to those. I get that you want to change the discussion, but I'm not playing that one.
Dictionary| 5.8.12 @ 8:19PM
coherent
capable of logical thought
Paul,
failing to grasp that no matter how many times he the idiot liar deliberately lies idiotically,
whether idiotically lying about Obamacare,
communism,
marxism,
teabagging,
class conflict,
tax cuts,
invalidating evidence,
implementation,
facts,
delusion,
non sequiturs,
the tenth amendment,
the Constitution,
reading,
coherence,
skin irritations,
intellectual honesty,
hypocrisy,
credit downgrade,
default,
stemwinders,
inanity,
corporations,
extremism,
environmental impact,
credibility,
integrity,
spending cuts,
lenders,
loans,
funding,
money,
power,
rights,
abortion,
intelligence quotients,
rebuttals,
liberalism,
and conservatism,
these representing but a tip of an iceberg of additional discussions he Paul the idiot liar has been documented here and at the provided link idiotically lying about,
that readers can examine and grasp for themselves here and at the link
http://spectator.org/archives/.....s-together
even as he Paul the idiot liar continues to change the discussion every time he Paul the idiot liar is proven to be an idiot liar.
Paul| 5.8.12 @ 8:24PM
While you're generating clicks over at Dictionary.com, have a look at this definition:
http://dictionary.reference.co.....herent?s=t
The compare that to what you've written above.
Paul| 5.8.12 @ 8:26PM
Also: I love the fact that you think repeating the words "idiot liar" as many times as possible in a single sentence say something about me. Priceless!
From the Desk of Media Matters| 5.8.12 @ 10:38PM
Jaquelina Axelrod Rachel Rangel Ratigan Reid Maxine Moscow Maddow Matthews ODonnell Olbermann Schultz Wasserman Schultz Waxman Sharpton Warren Schumer Durbin Dodd Barney Fecal Penelope Polly Paula Pansy Pelosi It's Getting Harder And Harder To Keep You Idiot Liar's Apart,
Even our other bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrots are pricelessly dumbfounded at your words, in this very thread, that it's:
"(more accurate) to judge someone by his actions than his words",
when the actions caused by your words has been to strip and teabag you out of any credibility or integrity, as readers no doubt can easily see, if even our bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrots do, as evidenced by that long priceless list of topics you were stripped and teabagged out of your credibility and integrity on, that you pricelessly have the lamest rebuttal to, that our bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrots have ever seen, out of even a bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrot who wasn't stripped and teabagged by his own actions, in response to his own lying idiot words.
Our other bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrots are pricelessly dumbfounded, from among all the reading of all of your idiot liar comments, that were all provided in the link, at:
http://spectator.org/archives/.....s-together
that of all the pricelessly dumbfounded bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrots, you are the pricelessest dumbfoundedest bottomest runged MM mindlessest retardedest parrot, who is such an idiot liar, that you inspired this priceless definition:
"A liberal is a person of small learning and large ego who is eager to be counted among the self-appointed stewards of culture slouching towards degeneracy"
Stop being such an embarrassment and discredit that our other bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrots don't feel embarrassment and discredit at their own bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrot selves when theyknow they are not you the bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrot whose integrity and credibility has been destroyed as demonstrated here and at the link:
http://spectator.org/2011/09/0.....s-together
- MM staff
Paul| 5.8.12 @ 11:00PM
That's a lot to write simply to distract from the fact that Obamacare was conceived by republicans and your worldview is vacuous. Just think, if you had a legitimate point of view, how much time you would save.
From the Desk of Media Matters| 5.9.12 @ 10:29AM
Jaquelina Rachel Paula Josef Hillary Adolf Maxine Mao Penelope Barney Fecal's Pet,
MM staff was distracted by your words that have accurately led to all the actions of the posts pointing out what an idiot liar you are:
"Every rational political observer sees Obama as a modern centrist who would be to the right of most past republicans"
MM staff was also distracted by your words that have accurately led to the dozens and dozens of rational readers who can easily see you as an idiot and a liar and an inspiration of priceless definitions for a liberal that pricelessly was conceived by your failure to examine and grasp, for example:
"For the record, you may be interested in rereading my post, Paul. On the other hand, you may not be. In any event, I did not use the term 'liberal". That's because my topic was not about "self-identified liberals." I have no reason to suppose you are a liar, but you have indeed provided a fair chunk of evidence to indicate that you're not at all an attentive reader."
as any rational reader can examine and grasp multitudes of such examples as this, starting a third of the way down the comments, at the link provided:
http://spectator.org/archives/.....s-together
MM staff was in addition distracted by your words that have accurately led MM staff to note about your non sequiter above, that an illegal bad idea is an illegal bad idea whether the illegal bad idea of Obamacare, an unconstitutional program greatly increasing costs as it greatly reduces returns like both quantity and quality of both medical insurance and medical care, was conceived by George Washington himself, or an idiot liar and inspiration for definitions of why liberalism is a failure that you have proven yourself to be, as evidenced by your very own words.
MM staff will avoid distraction, however, and discuss Obamacare once you the idiot liar and epitome of liberal failure avoids changing the discussion and addresses the tip of the iceberg list with coherence these of your previous failures that you have failed to coherently address that you avoided, in addition to:
reading,
non sequiturs,
and coherence,
mentioned already here, and:
communism,
marxism,
teabagging,
class conflict,
tax cuts,
invalidating evidence,
implementation,
facts,
delusion,
the tenth amendment,
the Constitution,
skin irritations,
intellectual honesty,
hypocrisy,
credit downgrade,
default,
stemwinders,
inanity,
corporations,
extremism,
environmental impact,
credibility,
integrity,
spending cuts,
lenders,
loans,
money,
power,
rights,
abortion,
intelligence quotients,
rebuttals,
liberalism,
and conservatism,
in order for rational readers to examine and grasp an ideal example why liberalism is a failure supported only by idiot liars such as yourself.
MM staff reminds you we liberal supporters seek to deceitfully keep hidden these reasons in order to become the self-appointed stewards of everybody else in order to live off others smugly with our self-appointed moral superiority that you have been distracted from deceitfully keeping hidden here at a conservative website of our enemies.
Stop embarrassing and discrediting deceitful self-appointed bottom rung MM mindless retarded parrot stewards attempting to self-appoint themselves to live off others in smug moral superiority self-appointedly in smugness.
- MM staff
Paul| 5.9.12 @ 11:44AM
Hahaha...If you had a coherent point, you would be able to simply write it in a couple sentences. Because you don't, you had to write all that. Not everyone here is stupid enough to miss that, you know.
Dictionary| 5.9.12 @ 12:06PM
pathetic:
distressingly inadequate
ArmyAviator| 5.3.12 @ 5:32PM
Paul, you have clearly identified yourself as ignorant regarding the Obama Regime and their Liberal Socialist way of government. Sadly, my friend you have shown that YOU are on the Liberal Socialist moron "schtick." Obama is a Socialist and would gladly create a Liberal Socialist DICTATORSHIP, if he thought he could. If you think that a Socialist police state is to your liking, why not migrate to Cuba? I hear they always like to get guys like you out on the farms to cut sugarcane, "for the Revolution."
Paul| 5.3.12 @ 5:45PM
What you've demonstrated through omission is that you have no idea what "socialism" means. If you did, and if you had a firm grasp of history, you wouldn't be a republican — sorry, I digress — you wouldn't be able to say with a straight face that Obama has any common ground with any socialist in history. There are zero examples of Obama's socialist behavior. Zero. That is why this article focuses on words, because Obama's actions do not support the claim.
You understand that on some level, which is why you didn't offer any concrete examples of Obama's socialist policies and actions. Oh, and before you write a feverish screed about Obamacare, stop and ponder that that policy was written by republicans in the early 90s and was implemented by that guy you're going to vote for in November. Given that, who exactly are the communists in America? (Answer: nobody.)
DRed| 5.3.12 @ 6:01PM
But he used a word that a communist used. What more proof could you want?
Todd S| 5.3.12 @ 8:12PM
Obama is a liberal fascist, stealing taxpayer money for his liberal elite cronies and union members with the support of the useful idiots and useless moochers. Which one are you?
DRed| 5.3.12 @ 8:21PM
I thought he was a communist? Or was it marxist atheist? Now he's a liberal fascist? Why don't you settle on one laughably stupid description of Obama and we'll take it from there.
Paul| 5.3.12 @ 9:54PM
A liberal fascist. OK, so what you're saying is that you don't understand liberalism or fascism, but heard those words put together one time on the Glenn Beck show and here we are.
Again, what the country really needs is valid opposition to Obama, not dumb and dumberer.
E. P. A.| 5.3.12 @ 9:21PM
Ahem
Dictionary| 5.3.12 @ 9:28PM
communism:
a political movement based on class conflict; any leftist political activity or thought
DRed| 5.3.12 @ 9:48PM
http://www.urbandictionary.com.....?term=derp
Andrew Clearfield| 5.3.12 @ 4:55PM
Also: one of Mussolini's favorite invocations to whip up fervor in mass meetings was "Avanti!" ('Forward!'); not so ironically, this was also the name of the Socialist newspaper Mussolini edited before 1914, which eventually became associated with the leftist opposition to his regime, and then the voice of the Socialist Party in post-War, post-fascist Italy, On the other side, we have the slogan of Franco's Falangists: "¡Arriba España!" ('Forward, Spain!') As a slogan, the word has all sorts of wonderful historical associations with absolutism and totalitarianism . . .
ArmyAviator| 5.3.12 @ 5:22PM
FORWARD was also the motto of the National Socialist (Nazi) SA and the National Socialist (Nazi) Youth Youth Movement...The Hitler Youth! We forget that the Nazis were SOCIALISTS too, but Hitler and his cronies deserve credit for this motto as well as Chairman Mao!
Paul| 5.3.12 @ 6:00PM
Oh, it gets even more insidious!!
In 1848 (before any word of Karl Marx had reached American shores), the state of Wisconsin changed their official state motto to "Forward!" Clearly this is proof that socialists can time-travel.
http://host.madison.com/wsj/ne.....002e0.html
It gets worse. Turns out the Arsenal football team in the UK changed their motto to "Forward" as well. What communist revolution are they cooking up?
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/c.....ilisation/
It looks like other athletes are susceptible to Karl Marx' workers paradise. A guy named Andrew Colquhoun entered an iron man competition and also used "forward" in his motto. (You'll have to Google that one yourself, as AmEx only allows 2 links per post.)
If it's a fact that the motto "Forward" is a clear indicator of communist/socialist sympathies, then we've got some bad news: the socialists already surround us, embedded into the fabric of society (even in Scott Walker's Wisconsin!).
Dictionary| 5.3.12 @ 9:30PM
communism:
a political movement based on class conflict
Paul| 5.3.12 @ 9:53PM
Based on this shaky understanding, you seem to acknowledge that you don't know what you're talking about and you can't begin to support the claim that Obama is a communist.
Politics based on class conflict can describe republican policies too. See the efforts to reduce taxes on the rich and even raise them on the poor, and you have to be seriously deluded not to see the class conflict.
Dictionary| 5.3.12 @ 11:04PM
delusion:
a false belief strongly held despite reality based on invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness
top 1% pay 40.42%
top 5% pay 60.63%
top 10% pay 71.22%
top 25% pay 86.59%
top 50% pay 97.11%
bottom 50% pay 2.89%
Paul| 5.3.12 @ 11:18PM
I see. You have no way to defend anything you write, so you simply write new nonsequiturs one after another.
Your figures indicate the problem. The bottom 50% is broke and barely making ends meet. Compare that to the 50s when most of the bottom 50% had a chicken in every pot and 2 cars in every garage, on a single income. At that time, the top tax tier was around 90%. Under a republican president (Eisenhower) and much more shared prosperity.
OK, next you'll pivot to another nonsequitur. I see this is your way of admitting you have no real argument. I appreciate that just as much as I would an open admission.
Dictionary| 5.4.12 @ 1:46PM
non sequitur:
an inference or conclusion that does not follow logically from the premises or evidence; a statement that does not follow logically from what precedes it
dictionary (5.3 @ 9:30pm):
communism: a political movement based on class conflict
commie (5.3 @ 9:53pm):
"Politics based on class conflict [bearing in mind that this statement is seriously delusional] can describe republican policies...to reduce taxes on the rich and even raise them on the poor...you have to be seriously deluded not to see the class conflict"
dictionary (5.3 @ 11:04pm):
delusion: a false belief strongly held despite reality based on invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness
[then providing invalidating evidence that shows the rich pay taxes (for instance that the top 1% pay more than bottom 95% combined), and shows the poor don't pay taxes (for instance that the bottom 50% don't even pay 3% ), while showing this in such a self-evidently logical easily understood way that only a delusionally mentally ill commie would fail to see the absurdity of tax cuts for a class that doesn't pay any taxes at the expense of a class that actually pays for all the taxes]
commie (5.3 @ 11:18pm):
"you simply write [bearing in mind this statement written followed logically with invalidating evidence contrary to my preceding illogical statement illogically premised] new nonsequiturs one after another...next you'll pivot to another nonsequitur"
[bearing in mind that this illogical statement that is premised illogically with the non sequitur that there were 2 cars in every garage in the 50s, when there is easily accessible invalidating evidence to the contrary that shows vehicles per household was actually only 1.03 in 1960, not to mention only 1.25 in 1970, while pondering the number of garages per household back in the 1950s was likely less than the vehicles per household - that was likely less in the 1950s than in the 1960s]
any nondelusional reader, with no symptom of mental illness, responding logically to commie (@ anytime after reading the above):
derp
Dictionary| 5.3.12 @ 11:08PM
derp:
a simple, undefined reply when an ignorant comment or action is made
derp derp derp
Obama sin Laden| 5.3.12 @ 9:32PM
Once you go commie
you'll never switch to Romney
Janet| 5.5.12 @ 8:47AM
I seriously suggest you take a look at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
Otherwise, you're just going to have rational people shake their heads and laugh at you (regardless of their political beliefs).
Ad Nauseum| 5.5.12 @ 7:01PM
Enough already you Nazi.
Dog Eating Son of a Polygomist| 5.3.12 @ 6:19PM
Forward, my lemming friend Paul. Can you believe they think I am a commy? I shake people down and throw them under the bus with Grandma, that typical white woman who raised me when my incompetent ma and pa left the scene. Like Il Duce I tried Communism and decided it was better to just stick em up for some dollars. The state owned stuff is hard. You actually have to run things and if you work for a guy like Stalin that could be trouble. All I have to do is get the envelope full of money and I am on my way. No envelope and then I make trouble. It is what we do in Blue country. The dumb part of our constituency believes we are actually going to do something. That was my best one ever as Jimmy Kimmel said. Communist indeed. That will never work. Fascism just goes on and on. The envelopes get fuller and fulller with money and we liver happily ever after. Our stupid supporters have hope and we have their change. Ain't American great? Send Michelle to gitmo so I can get a decent meal, baby.
Paul| 5.3.12 @ 11:01PM
What's a "polygomist?"
Tim| 5.3.12 @ 6:25PM
Why can't everyone just be Happy and Gay.
OOOPS....I don't mean Homosexual.
See what I mean. Its nuts to just focus on words and assume there all some sort of code words that really mean something else.
Obama is a socialist. Most of us agree.
What he wears or words he uses are irrelevent.
MartinX| 5.3.12 @ 6:28PM
Clearly the word "Forward" is not owned by Communist China... so... such comparison between an outdated communist regime (moving forward towards a market economy) has nothing to do with our current Capitalist President Obama--who uses the term "Forward" to mean the necessary steps we all need to make in order to deal with issues of our time....such as Global warming, regulating Capitalism so that we don't end up repeating the same mistakes that got us into the recession in the first place.
I know it is hard for conservatives to think about progressing out of the status quoe ...
Also you conserves need to get over the idea of a utopian free market as some realizable solution...no where-- has ever--- a free market ever worked.
Don| 5.3.12 @ 7:39PM
I am a Republican. I voted for McCain. But, I believe that there enough stupid people in this country who will return Obama to the White House in the fall. These are the same fools who fell for "Hope and Change". If they fell for "Hope and Change", they will fall for "Forward". At least this time, Obama declared what he truly is: a communist!
Rhoetus| 5.3.12 @ 8:25PM
Van Jones = Barack Obama
Ben Frank| 5.3.12 @ 8:06PM
Are you serious? The Soviet constitution used the wrd Freedom multiple times. Should we consider this a suspicious or subversive term?
The sign over the notorious Nazi extermination camp proclaimed work makes you Free. Does that mean we should avoid the word?
Ken| 5.3.12 @ 8:21PM
Mr. Lord is extrapolating one word to encompass a entirely different ideology.
Forward is a good word to use...
Great leap backward would be a good word to describe the republican strategy.
Rhoetus| 5.3.12 @ 8:24PM
"Political Power Comes From the Barrel of a Gun."
is more appropriate and accurate.
Richard Haden| 5.3.12 @ 8:55PM
so says all tyrants Rhoetus...
Ken| 5.3.12 @ 8:32PM
Look...let's get real...
The country is in bad shape because WS and banking powerbrokers and our politicians in congress and the people and staff that work in the government...worked together to line their pockets at the expense of the middle class...effectively destroying it.
Obama did not stop it...any more than bush...
But I don't think o bama had the same intent as bush...it was a mistake which he is trying to rectify.
DERP OVERLOAD| 5.4.12 @ 6:26PM
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POST American| 5.3.12 @ 10:38PM
'American better watch it
or in a couple of decades
we're going to be a minstrel show
---for RED China."
-Gore Vidal
1985
(second decade of the 'Nick's ON/MAO
handover op)
Of course NONE of this is any
'SIR--prize' to us.
'BAR--Rockefeller' H. Obama, doing his
darndest to acclimate discourse to the
coming takedown, and even occupation.
'BAR--Rockefeller', possible stealth clone
of RED China empowerment guru supreme
--the notorious, and peculiarly 'absent'
-----------AVERELL HARRIMAN------------.
AGAIN, CHECK OUT and compare the
photos and footage. ---Something in those
facial expressions. Something about those
eyes.
Americans have not even begun to
comprehend the sinister depths and
dimensions of the Globalist enmeshment
with their 'fave' EUGENICS paradise
across the Pacific.
AGAIN ---cover-up, collusion, predictive programming
and ---SILENCE from media,
Hollywood, arts, politicians, cultural and
religious leaders across the false
speck-trum.
It's NOT even within our powers to express
how awesomely sinister and far reaching
this 'agenda' is.
Jimbobogie| 5.4.12 @ 1:18AM
Does that mean that NBA teams also support Mao? After all they have "Small" FORWARDS and 'Power" FORWARS. Those Power FORWARDS sound pretty scary, don't you think?
Great Leaping Commies| 5.4.12 @ 6:36PM
Are you denying the NBA wasn't overtaken years ago by Great Leap Forward Mao Ying in the very city housing the nation's muslim outreach agitprop?
POST American| 5.4.12 @ 1:48AM
------------------BOTTOMLESS LINE------------------
Breaking NEWS!
NOW DECLASSIFIED and ON RECORD
--MASSIVE-- bankster highjacked gov't
plans being implemented for nationwide
'RE-education' FORCED internment camps.
-----The Kissinger on the MAO of the 1972
CFR set up RED China handover about to get
-------------------------------HARD POWER!
InfoWars has it! --------CHECK IT OUT!
---------------------------------GET IT OUT!
------------------This --IS--- the 11th hour. . .
POST American| 5.4.12 @ 1:53AM
----------------BEYOND BOTTOMLESS---------------
---AND TAKE DEEP and PROFOUND NOTE!---
NOT so much as a self aware PEEP from
our long, long, long, long Rockefeller infiltrated
'Clergy Response' ---'christian' --'churches'...
O)f course it's scheduled to get much, much
worse ---but, even now, it can't get any LOWER.
zeke spelkinzeckler the third | 5.4.12 @ 8:14AM
and Bush stole Homeland Security from Hitler's "Fatherland Security," so what's worst, a slogan? or a program that removes freedom in everything it touches?
http://kamikazeearth.blogspot.com/
Paul| 5.4.12 @ 10:52AM
I think the answer to your question for most of these folks is, "Whichever one the GOP tells us is worse."
Buck Bradley| 5.4.12 @ 8:52AM
Obama takes this putrid brew and adds more than a few dashes of anti-white, mob-inciting racism to blend his own special brand of the socialist poison....
Sunshine| 5.4.12 @ 4:02PM
What a fucking nutjob you are. HOLY CRAP THERE'S A WORD IN COMMON WITH MAO! IT REVEALS HIS COMMUNIST INTENTIONS! *facepalm*
Please, consider returning to REALITY sometime. This is just embarrassing.
JPL17| 5.6.12 @ 12:15PM
Hey Sunshine -- You're revealing your profound ignorance here. Mao was HARDLY the first Communist to use the word "Forward" as the central theme in his propaganda. To the contrary, the "Forward" theme is central to nearly all Communist ideology and propaganda. For several specific examples, see my comment from late last night (below).
In fact, the association between the "Forward" theme and international Communism is so deep, that the ONLY Americans who would use "Forward" as a political slogan in a national U.S. election are either (a) those who think references to international Communism are COOL; or (b) idiots with little knowledge of history.
So either way, the Obama campaign (and all the leftist "deniers" commenting here) come off as fools.
cbtole2| 5.4.12 @ 5:17PM
I think he should change his slogan to "We're all part Cherokee".
If President Zero had a Cherokee sister, she'd look like Elizabeth Warren
PEWestlake| 5.4.12 @ 5:21PM
The stupidity of the people who believe that Barack "Goldman Sachs" Obama is a socialist is unfathomable, or more accurately, unplumbable. I don't know why Pavlov used dogs. It's way easier to get trained responses out of conservatives!
Woof!
David Warheit| 5.4.12 @ 6:17PM
Woof!!
Dictionary| 5.4.12 @ 6:23PM
socialist:
a follower of the theories, principles, and policies of socialism, referring to the political, social, and economic theories, principles, and policies advocating collective or government ownership, control, or administration of the production, distribution, and consumption of goods and services.
What unfathomable and unplumbable reason could there accurately be to easily explain why conservatives believe Osamabamalama to be a socialist?
Derp!
PEWestlake| 5.5.12 @ 5:04PM
"What unfathomable and unplumbable reason could there accurately be to easily explain why conservatives believe Osamabamalama to be a socialist?"
None.
Dictionary| 5.5.12 @ 7:54PM
profound depth:
intellectually complex penetrating insight
The production, distribution, and consumption of goods and services
such as gasoline, oil drilling, medical insurance, automobile manufacturers, light bulbs, salt and sugar
is not being controlled or administered by the policies
based on the theories and principles of
Barry "I'd like higher gas prices" Obama
and his cabinet consisting of
energy secretary Stevie "Somehow we have to figure out how to boost gasoline prices to the levels in Europe" Chu,
interior secretary Kenny 'proclaimed he would oppose any offshore drilling no matter how high the price of gasoline' Salazar,
Lisa 'EPA' Jackson and Kathleen 'Healthcare' Sebelius?
At how many fathoms is that plumb inserted in your anus?
David Warheit| 5.4.12 @ 6:16PM
Only a Communist would believe, even for a moment, that they own the word "forward". Mr. Lord needs to explain how long he's been a Communist, and he needs to apologize to 40% of the players in the NBA, forwards all.
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POST American| 5.4.12 @ 11:00PM
---------------------FINAL WORD--------------------------
--And even beyond the contents of this article,
one and all should be keenly aware and watchful
of the full spectrum MAO-ist imagery acclimation
ops that are currently underway throughout
media and Hollywood.
In order to get beyond 'IT----dumb'
------------------------START seeing thru ---IT.
Janet| 5.5.12 @ 8:51AM
I seriously suggest you take a look at this Wikipedia page next time you're writing anything: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
It may help you come off less nutty to those of us who don't like people who sounds like those nutty "Occupy" kids!
Janet| 5.5.12 @ 8:52AM
sound, not sounds.
*mutters about crappy computer and goes to smoke a cigarette*
JPL17| 5.5.12 @ 11:09PM
I'm appalled by the ignorance displayed in these comments by leftist "deniers" (particularly by the obnoxious know-it-all named "Paul," who obviously doesn't know sh*t).
EVERY student of political philosophy knows that the central idea of Marxism is that history inexorably moves FORWARD to its final stage, which is Communism.
And every student of Soviet history knows that the very first Bolshevik newspaper, founded in 1904/1905 and edited by none other than Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, was entitled "Vperiod," which means "Forward."
Every student of Soviet history also knows (as commenter "A Pismo Klamm" correctly pointed out above) that Communist propaganda posters featuring the slogan "Forward" were ubiquitous in the Soviet Union.
Similarly, every student of international Communism knows that Mao Tse Dong was HARDLY the first Communist to use the word "Forward" in Communist propaganda when he used it in the name of his reign of terror and death known as "The Great Leap Forward."
So to deny the strong connection between the slogan "Forward" and international Communism is simply to display one's own profound ignorance.
So what should we make of the Obamacrats who thought it was a GOOD idea to use "Forward" as their new slogan? Well obviously, either (a) they knew about the strong connection between the slogan "Forward" and international Communism, but are so sympathetic to the latter that they thought it was a COOL association to make; OR (b) they are incredibly IGNORANT of history.
Either way, the Obamacrats look like IDIOTS.
POST American| 5.6.12 @ 2:06AM
----------------------FINAL WORD--------------------------
'You're going to get a socialist New World Order,
with ISLAM as its religion."
FURTHER
"I believe, and this is a shock to MOST people,
I BELIEVE the rituals and entire spectrum of
masonic [--ie 'MAY--SIN-re'/ Jesuitry et al--] ---
practices are ISLAMIC BASED.
"I sat in front of a 33rd degree Mason,
one of the TOP 'MAY--SINs' in the country
and laid all this out in great detail over
a 2 HOUR time period ---and ALLLL he
did was shake his head ---in the AFFIRMATIVE."
-Jay Weidner
RED Ice Radio interview
'Clash of Civilizations' hour 2
(available on Yahoo videos sorted by date)
----AS we take up that photo of
POPE of 'MAY--SIN--Re' Albert Pike
--himself a double agent and reputed
founder of the 'Ordo ob K--OZ' fun op
KKK --
YESSSS-----he does look not at all like
the meek and sunlit figure of simple gospel
reckoning ---but like a Caliph! ---beard included!
FURTHER
'The ONLY religion, in their [---capstone--]
view, that can successfully CON-troll large
populations --------IS ISLAM."
---'Hidden Masters' ---assassins ----covert
operations ---BLACK ops ------enlisting the
wdow's son ---ritual hierarchy ---obsessions
with bloodlines ---inbreeding and interbreeding?
FIGURES ------NOT-------- to be found in
scripture.
Figures and instruments which are
EVERYWHERE to found in the lore
and legacy of ISLAM ----and 'MAY--SIN--Re'
in ALLLL its guises.
--------------------------UH----------------------------
----AGAIN, we'd say it's about time for that
definitive reckoning with those 'CON--trolling'
your ---'churches'.
(--and GET the interview ------to EVERYONE!)
mzk1| 5.6.12 @ 7:12AM
Yet another reason to be suspicious of Wikipedia. I wonder what this "journal" is. Unfortunately, due to the unique status of the US requiring tax filings by citizens who are residents arboad, I will be spending the indefinite futute working on 1040's and will not have the chance to look into the page.
mzk1| 5.6.12 @ 7:20AM
Thank you for the Godwin's law reference. Another Wikipedia fail.
shipley130| 5.6.12 @ 1:30PM
Slavery to the state on a massive scale.
POST American| 5.7.12 @ 3:49AM
"Old PA will be shouting 11th hour for
the rest of his life--"
-blogger
NOAH rang the bell more than 112 years!
-----yet it --WAS INDEED-- the 11th hour!
LOT gave his warning a mere day before
destruction ----and was yet unheeded.
And --it too was the ALSO 11th hour.
"SIN is NEVER still. It's ALWAYS
linked, and ALWAYS on the move."
-Jonathan Edwards
Sermon
(1722)
---------------------------------------ALWAYS!
The 11th hour is an ETERNAL figure set before
FALLEN MAN unto the END oif the WORLD
---which, of course, will, yet again, be
--------------the 11th hour.
.----ARE we getting IT/--yet?
--or are we still quite happy
just to BEE --an 'IT'?
Melissa Nelson | 5.7.12 @ 5:15AM
Comrade means friend, forward means forward. To try to put the Great Leap Forward into President Obama's mouth is ridiculous. It seems writers like you will use any stretch of imagination (and that's what it is...your imagination) to demonize a good man. Perhaps you should consider a career change if this is the best you have to offer.
JPL17| 5.7.12 @ 9:16AM
Hey Melissa -- I guess you didn't read my 2 posts above, or else you might not have posted a comment so deeply ignorant of history.
Mao was HARDLY the first Communist to use the word "Forward" as the central theme in his propaganda. To the contrary, the "Forward" theme has been central to nearly ALL Communist ideology and propaganda since its inception. Examples:
1. THE central concept of Karl Marx's theory of history, which he dubbed "Scientific Socialism," is that it moves inexorably FORWARD through certain prescribed political-economic systems, culminating in Communism, the final stage of human history.
2. The very first Bolshevik newspaper, founded in Geneva in 1904/1905 by none other than Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, was entitled "Vperiod," which means "Forward."
3. The word and concept of moving "Forward" appear EVERYWHERE in Communist propaganda posters and essays throughout the world; including: (a) Russian civil war-era Soviet propaganda poster: "Forward for the Motherland, for our victory!" (b) Stalin-era Soviet propaganda posters: "Under the leadership of the great Stalin - forward to Communism!"; "Young builders of communism! Forward, to the new successes in work and study!"; "Under the banner of Lenin and Stalin, forward to victory of Communism!" (c) Mao-era Chinese propaganda poster: "Let's march forward under the banner of Mao Zedong!" (d) Statement of policy on International and National situation as passed and adopted
by the Revolutionary Socialist Party at its Third All-National Conference, 1948: "Forward to Socialist Revolution"; (e) essay published by Democrat Socialist Perspective: "Socialism-The Way Forward"; (f) essay published in UK Socialist Party publication, Socialism in the 21st Century: "The Way Forward for Anti-Capitalism"; (g) Essay published on Marxists.org: "Can We Go Forward If We Fear to Advance Towards Socialism?" (h) Propaganda poster of South African Communist Party: "Forward to Socialism!"(i) Actual name of communist party in India: The "Forward Communist Party"; and, of course, (j) Mao's revolutionary campaign of terror, death and impoverishment of China: "The Great Leap Forward."
For poster images, links, and further examples, see: http://hackwilson.blogspot.com.....ed-by.html
Indeed, the association between the "Forward" theme and international Communism is so deep, that the ONLY Americans who would ever use "Forward" as a political slogan in a national U.S. election are either (a) those who think references to international Communism are COOL; or (b) idiots who are profoundly ignorant of history.
So which is it? Does Obama think that international Communism is "COOL" (even though it was responsible for the deaths of over 100 million civilians during the 20th Century through execution, assassination, intentional starvation of select populations, man-made famine, forced marches, forced labor, etc. -- see, e.g., "The Black Book of Communism", available at http://www.amazon.com/The-Blac.....161&sr=1-1)? Or is he profoundly ignorant of history? Take your pick, Melissa. Because either way, he's an idiot.
And what's this nonsense you're spouting about Jeffrey Lord being out "to demonize a good man"??? I assure you, Barack Obama is NOT a good man (whereas Jeffrey Lord certainly is). Obama is a typical power mad utopian narcissist whose policies are impoverishing the youth of our country, destroying small businesses, doing profound damage to the U.S. economy, and encouraging the forces that will usher in the next major regional Middle East war (if not world war), who has candidly admitted that he hates the U.S. Constitution and the traditional American values of self-reliance, individual responsibility, traditional family, deeply personal religious faith, and independence from overbearing government meddling.
In short, Obama is an extremely dangerous man. It's to our eternal shame that he has undeservedly and foolishly been given an extremely dangerous amount of power by U.S. voters, under the manipulation of corrupt corporate, media, union and education elites.
Power, by the way, that the adults in this country are coming to take away from Obama this November.
Paul| 5.8.12 @ 4:39PM
So, your claim here seems to be that when people use the word "forward," or if they embrace concepts that involve forward motion, then that means they're communist.
I'm sure this idea was regarded as sheer genius by the slackjawed dipshits you call friends. However, I've got some bad news for you. Your sub-100 IQ means that most Americans are smarter than you. To those people, your entire point should make a 5-year-old pause for a second and say "Man, that is dumb."
JPL17| 5.8.12 @ 6:47PM
No, Paul, my argument was NOT "that when people use the word 'forward,' or if they embrace concepts that involve forward motion, then that means they're communist."
Indeed, that would have been a stupid argument to make. Which is why I didn't make it. It's too bad your reading comprehension sucks so bad that you couldn't understand the argument I actually DID make.
But I guess that's not your fault, Paul. I shouldn't have just assumed that all readers of Jeffrey Lord's columns have at least a 4th-grade level of reading comprehension. So NEXT time I'll try writing something more at your level -- say, so that a 3rd grader -- or maybe even you -- might understand it.
Paul| 5.8.12 @ 7:12PM
Sorry, JPL, but if you were aiming for a different point, it failed abysmally. You copied/pasted a good 1,000 words consisting of examples of communists using the word "forward." What other point were you trying to make?
I see you've also included the usual boilerplate about Obama being bad for the economy and a power-hungry ego-maniac. Which would be a fair point if left on its own. However, you imply that all this could be corrected if we simply elect a republican like Romney. That saps your point of any credibility it would have otherwise had. If you think Romney would be one iota less corrupt in serving the corporate interests of the world at the expense of American middle class, much as Bush did as he trashed the economy, then you and I really need to talk about the wonderful Amway product line. You can get rich working from home!!
It's okay. Don't struggle. You and I both know you have no other point. There's no sense in making yourself look more foolish.
JPL17| 5.8.12 @ 10:35PM
Paul, be as willfully stupid as you like, but don't you dare pretend you know me, or think you know what I know, or think you know where I gained my knowledge of Soviet history and ideology (hint: it had something to do with getting bachelor's and masters degrees in Soviet politics, extensive travel in the USSR, and extensive reading and writing on Soviet history), or think you can read my mind, because you can't even come close. You have no idea who I am.
Indeed, you seem to be so willfully stupid that you can't even comprehend the following incredibly simple idea at the heart of my posts: Namely, (a) that in political philosophy, the theme of moving "forward" is closely and inextricably associated with Marxism and international Communism; (b) that we have a President who was raised and mentored by Marxists, who networked with Marxists for most of his political career, who frequently expresses agreement with Marxist ideas and uses Marxist symbolism, and who has implemented policies that, although not purely Marxist, incline the country towards socialism; and (c) when SUCH a President adopts an explicitly Marxist/Communist slogan as his own political slogan, we are justified in thinking that Obama either (1) thinks that associating his campaign with international Communism is "COOL"; or (2) is ignorant of the significance of the word "forward" under Marxist-Leninist-Stalinist-Maoist political theory.
By the way, here's a hint: Alternative (2) is impossible. I guarantee you Obama knows full well the significance of the word "forward" under Marxist-Leninist-Stalinist-Maoist political theory, even if you don't.
Which leaves us with only one possibility: Obama thinks associating his campaign with international Communism is "COOL." Which means he's an incredibly dangerous fool.
Which was my point. Which you missed entirely. Because you're being willfully stupid.
Paul| 5.8.12 @ 11:12PM
When you find yourself having to make up a backstory to give you extra credibility to make up for the insipid things you've written, that's how you know you've lost. To sum up your profound conclusions from your spurious degrees (ha...classic!!), you've made the following points:
1) Communists have made frequent use of the word "forward".
2) Obama is using the word "forward"
3) Obama is a communist and is engaging in #2 either because he thinks it's cool, or to let the world know that he's a communist.
These points are the product of a feeble mind. Points #1 and #2 mean nothing on their own. Lots of people have used the term "forward" as a slogan, as I've pointed out earlier. The great state of Wisconsin for one. Are you saying Wisconsin is a communist republic?
Point #3 shows a profound lack of insight into American politics and PR. As you may have noticed over the years, communism is not a popular ideology in the US. Any politician who wanted to do well in elections would take great pains not to identify himself as a communist. But your claim here is that Obama did it because he thinks it's cool. You're saying he would risk losing the election over that.
Not to mention: there is not one single thing Obama has ever done which conforms with communist ideology. Not a single one. At best, you can point to Obamacare, a concept that was written and implemented by republicans as an alternative to the socialized medicine systems that work in every other developed capitalist country. If a true communist had to choose between socialized medicine and a republican plan to funnel customers over to large corporations, which one do you think he'll choose? (Take your time...)
By now you're feeling stupid. I invite you to write more, so I can demonstrate precisely how stupid you are, because I have a feeling it goes much deeper than this.
JPL17| 5.9.12 @ 12:43AM
Because Leftists like you lack honesty, you haven't addressed a single actual argument I've made, but have instead twisted them into simpleton arguments that weren't made -- apparently because that's the only kind of argument that Leftist idiots like you can counter.
So instead of giving you another chance to distort my words and show off your smug hostility, let's see if you can justify the disastrous Obama unemployment rate, obscene deficit, unstimulating stimulus, anemic GDF growth rate, outrageous gas prices, corrupt bailouts of auto unions, encouragement of domestic racial hostility, screwing of young blacks who face the highest unemployment rates in decades, increased poverty rate, increased dependence on federal government, decreased household income, destruction of jobs in the traditional energy sectors, and foreign policy that turns allies into enemies and invites a third world war.
Oh -- and while you're doing that, maybe you can also explain why independent voters are running away from him as if he were poison ivy.
Paul| 5.9.12 @ 11:19AM
OK, so now you realized you have utterly lost your attempt to prove Obama a communist. But because you lack any trace of integrity, you can't simply say that. You have to pretend I didn't address your arguments when anyone with basic reading ability can see I clearly did, with very sharp focus, and showed them for the nonsense they are.
Now with that humiliation, you need to pivot to other arguments, basically throwing anything you can think of at me in hopes that something will stick, such that you can regain a smattering of your dignity. Sorry, I'm not going to play that game with you. On this thread where the discussion is about the word "forward" and whether or not that makes Obama a communist, you have made a fool out of yourself good and proper. You need to sit and think about that before attempting to discuss politics again.
office | 5.11.12 @ 8:00AM
pretty
Jimbobogie| 5.11.12 @ 3:40PM
I guess that the GOP slogan for the upcoming electon will have to be "Backward", right?
Great Leaping Commies| 5.11.12 @ 4:34PM
A whole week and this is the best you can come up with?
Silent Tiger| 5.11.12 @ 3:41PM
This is not the only communist slogan Obama has used. His "Change" mantra was used decades ago - by none other than Karl Marx.
Karl Marx is buried in Highgate Cemetary in London. His tomb/memorial was erected by the Communist Party of Britian in 1954. It reads on the monument:
"Workers of the World Unite" (Taken from the communist manifesto). The other part of the inscription reads:
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world in various ways—the point however is to change it"."
End Quote. Yes, there is your "Hopey Change" mantra. Obama also campaigned for Raila Odinga in Kenya, Africa in 2006 - Raila Odinga subsequently organized massive protests and attempted genocide in Kenya - including burning Christian Women and children alive in a church, and he openly promised sanctuary to Jihadist terrorists if he won the election. His slogan: "Your Agent for Change".
Here is link to the "Agent for Change" in Kenya, Raila Odinga - and Obama on the stump campaigning for him in Kenya:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5iLVlkFePE
Obama's mentor in his youth was communist Frank Marshal Davis. So it is perfectly natural for him to quote Marx and Mao in his ideaology.
What I cannot understand is how the American people could be so gullible. When a socilaist stands before a free republic and declares there must be "Change", it would serve that republic well to consider the SOURCE of such change.
Rather than follow like lemmings to the sea, we should remember the blood and great treasure that is our inheritance as the children of patriots, and we should shun such "change" and "leaps forward" at all costs.
Finally I will simply say, had the press been more concerned with vetting Obama instead of Palin's wardrobe and Joe Plumber's thousand dollars in taxes, we would not be in this mess. He never would have won the election. The press failed the American people horribly in the last election. Maybe now, four years later, enough Americans are awake to demand more accurate reporting.
Good work on your article, keep them coming.
Paul| 5.11.12 @ 7:04PM
Jesus, another republican retard. From which crack do you all continually issue forth?
Lots of people have used the word "change," moron. It's a powerful slogan. To claim that it makes you a Marxist is hopelessly stupid.
Rather than draw these tenuous connections, since you're so convinced that Obama is a communist, perhaps you could show some examples in his actual behavior. I don't mean things he's said, people he's talked to, folks he's "palled around with." I'm talking about specific policies he has attempted to implement while in office that conforms with communist ideology.
Some examples please. Just one.
Silent Tiger| 5.12.12 @ 10:05AM
Paul:
I have no obligation to respond to your rude and biased disrespect, but I will say this: If that was your best shot, you just wasted a bullet.
Examples? There are many. His utter oppostion to basic principles of the Constitution of the United States speaks for itself (See Second Amendment, and please note the highest court in the land is about to strike down his Healthcare bill as unconstitutional.) And do I really need to point out his determination to destroy captilalism is a DEAD GIVE AWAY. Maybe your fine with "re-destribution of wealth". Or maybe your just too stupid to study history and understand that Obama's planned involuntary "National Civilian Security Force" where American students from middle school to college were to be recruited is taken straight from the playbook of Nazi Germany (See Hitler Youth Groups and Brown Shirts).
If there is any positive side to the destruction of our economy it is simply that he was unable to put these plans in place at this time.
The bottom line: Obama is a socialist, and if your too stupid to grasp the big picture and track his record, his efforts, and his agenda, that is not my cross to bear. So talk to the hand - or better yet the finger.
An even better idea would be for you to stop pretending to have a genuine interest in the truth, and educate YOURSELF - rather than playing liberal troll on the internet. You see, I have seen your kind before many times in many forums and arenas. And I have made the mistake of thinking it was worthwhile to debate with such. But it isn't, and I won't waste my time doing so.
However, it does occur to me that I neglected to mention Obama's benefactor: Al Mansour. Who is Al Mansour? Well, lets just say he makes Obama's "God Dam* America" Reverend Wright look like an Eagle Scout. But where were we? Oh yes, Al Mansour. You can read about him here:
http://www.conservativedailyne.....ma-backer/
And now Paul, feel free to have the last word. Your just not worth the trouble - and thank God, you and your party are about to be toast come election time. We took back the House last election, and this election we will win again. When we do, we will turn this boat around before you and your party utterly destroy this nation.
And now I leave you with a final word from Al Mansour, the man who helped make it possible for Obama to attend Harvard:
"“Whatever you do to [white people], they deserve it, God wants you to do it and that’s when you cut out the nose, cut out the ears, take flesh out of their body, don’t worry because God wants you to do it.” - Al Mansour
Silent Tiger| 5.12.12 @ 10:49AM
Whoopsie! Gosh Paul, shame on me. How could I be so silly as to forget the best part?
You say Obama is not a Socialist. Well, you and I are never going to agree, so lets agree not to waste each others time with nonsensical flame throwing.
There are bigger fish for you to fry you see. If Obama is NOT a socialist, instead of hanging out here wasting your time trying to convince folks who know better, why not surf on over to the websites of the Communist Party USA, and The Democratic Socialists of America, and let THEM know that Obama is not a socialist.
And you better make it snappy - because they have already issued their endorsement of Obama for the 2012 election - just as they did in 2008.
Here Paul, let me save you a bit of trouble - you can read about The Communist Party USA and their repeated endorsement of Obama here:
http://azpundit.com/congrats-c.....-election/
And you can read about the support for Obama of the Democratic Socialist Party here:
http://keywiki.org/index.php/B.....nd_the_DSA
Now this is no suprise to some of us. Because some of us are aware that both groups also supported him in 2008.
Obama is not a socialist? Wow. Both of these parties are making a serious error then by supporting Obama. So step it up Paul, and give it all you've got. Don't waste your time on "retards" here - head on over to the big dogs field and let THEM know Obama is "not a socialist".
Paul| 5.12.12 @ 1:18PM
My tone is particularly short with you because all your arguments have already been refuted on this very thread. Only an imbecile would write what you did. Now I'm going to refute your points one by one in as few words as possible.
Obama's disdain for the constitution: I agree, his behavior is almost as extra-judicial as Bush's. He hasn't set up a torture program like Bush did, but he has assassinated 2 Americans without due process. But you specifically mentioned the 2nd amendment. Obama has done nothing to thwart the 2nd amendent.
Obama's desire to DESTROY CAPITALISM through redistribution of wealth: The tax rates on the wealthy are the lowest in our history. The top tier when Eisenhower was president was in the 90 percentile. If the current rates make Obama a communist, what do the rates during the 50s make Eisenhower? Face it, Obama has done very little to redistribute wealth, and if what he has done makes him a socialist, then there is no word too socialisticly-sounding to describe Eisenhower.
"National Civilian Security Force": When something actually happens with this, let me know. Until then, I'll put it in the same category as the black helicopters you all used to whine about in the Clinton days.
Al Mansour: By mentioning him, I take it you realized it's impossible to focus on things Obama has actually done and prove he's a socialist that way, and that instead you need to attempt guilt by association. You make my point for me.
Telling the American Communist and Socialist Party that Obama is not a socialist: They already are very well aware of this, dipshit. That's very clear from the statement you linked to. Says the Communists: "It is obvious that there is a growing feeling of frustration and even anger among supporters of the Democratic Party with its performance over the past two years." You should have read that first. They've chosen to support Obama over Romney as a lesser of two evils, not because Obama is one of their comrades.
So, to sum up, I asked you to show us some actual examples of Obama performing true acts of communism, and by your response you say that you've got nuthin. Like the rest of the dipshits on this site, you will now abandon the thread and nurse your ego. And you'll make sure and say that Obama is a socialist even though you now know it isn't true.
I remember when republicans used to have intellectual integrity. I miss those days.
Silent Dragon| 5.12.12 @ 5:49PM
Paul:
I remember when I was reading just a little bit ago the comments here.
I remember when I got to this point that there was a dictionary definition of communism that said communism was a politics based on class warfare or something like that.
I remember when I remembered this I checked a dictionary myself and found out it was true.
I remember when reading the definition was true it reminded me I had also read something about a link to somewhere where about you.
I remember when I remembered that I went to it.
I remember when I went to it and read a bunch of your comments that it was obvious you don't have any intellectual integrity at all.
Did you miss those or don't you remember?
Paul| 5.12.12 @ 5:57PM
Seriously? I refute every single point you make, and all you can manage to stammer back is some insipid set of sentences all beginning with "I remember?"
If that were me, and my worldview had been entirely trashed, I would have simply said nothing rather than demonstrate the point.
Silent Dragon| 5.13.12 @ 6:04PM
?????????????????????
1- In fact you did not refute a single point I made you loser turd.
2- In fact I repeated "I remember" to make fun of you being a loser turd for using it to say you remember republicans having "intellectual integrity" you loser turd.
3- In fact I was making fun of a loser turd like you because you were "entirely trashed" by those posts and that link for not having any "intellectual integrity" you loser turd.
4-In fact "I remember" you were "entirely trashed" because you are a loser turd and don't have the "intellectual integrity" to know Marxists and Communists from loser turds.
5- In fact "I remember" "entirely trashing" you only because of those posts and that link that "entirely trashed" loser turd.
6- In fact you are so "entirely trashed" you loser turd because you "insipidly" can't tell the difference between a "Tiger" and a "Dragon" because you have no "intellectual integrity" because you are "insipid" and "entirely trashed" because you are a loser turd.
7- In fact "I remember" to flush "insipid" "entirely trashed" loser turds to the like you every time to get rid of you.
8- In fact enjoy the cess pool of your own "insipid" creation EVERYBODY has in fact wiped off the screen and flushed you to loser turd.
Paul| 5.14.12 @ 12:48AM
Wince!! It pains me to see someone make an ass of themselves like that.
So you know, the only thing of substance you wrote above - interspersed between silly repetitions of "in fact" and "loser turd" - was to deny that I had refuted all of your points, a fact that any sentient being can confirm just by scrolling up a bit. Abject denial of irrefutable fact, and otherwise meaningless rantings. If your purpose in commenting on this thread was NOT to provide an example of yet another republican who is ill-equipped to deal with reality, you might want to sit down and ponder what went wrong.
Hidden Dragon| 5.14.12 @ 9:35AM
Loser turd I will try to spell it out so even a loser turd like you can understand it.
You loser turd didn't refute one point "Hidden Dragon" made you loser turd.
You loser turd still don't get "Hidden Dragon" is not "Hidden Tiger" you loser turd.
You loser turd didn't even refute one point made by "Hidden Tiger" you loser turd.
You loser turd didn't refute one point made by anything entirely trashing you loser turd for anything "any sentient being can confirm by scrolling up a bit" you loser turd.
You loser turd didn't refute one point in the link either you loser turd.
Here you loser turd is the link you loser turd didn't refute one point you loser turd
www.spectator.org/archives/201.....s-together
In fact you loser turd why don't you loser turd "just by scrolling" a bit in the link you loser turd to ponder why you are a loser turd you loser turd.
Paul| 5.14.12 @ 1:05AM
Look, I've addressed every single substantial claim you've made and now they've all been refuted. If you have a problem with that, address what I wrote when I refuted them. If you can't address that, then pipe down and ponder why you lost this debate. But to prattle on like an imbecile is in very bad form. I'm embarrassed for you.
Hidden Dragon| 5.14.12 @ 9:38AM
Look loser turd why don't you loser turd scroll up a bit and then scroll to your loser turd's content the link too loser turd
www.spectator.org/archives/201.....s-together
Loser turd.
Paul| 5.14.12 @ 11:01AM
OK, I see you've abandoned any attempts to be coherent. Bizarrely, you've changed your screen name to Hidden Dragon, and are referring to your past screen name Silent Dragon in 3rd person as Hidden Tiger. I gather this was caused by the cognitive dissonance you feel at having all your points shown to be bullshit while you are at a complete loss to do anything about it. Why you linked over to a past thread where your fellow compatriots also got a thrashing can probably not be explained by anyone.
My work is done here. Until another imbecile says another substantial piece of nonsense, I'll leave you to twist in the wind.
Exposed Rat| 5.15.12 @ 10:56AM
"Every rational political observer sees Obama as a modern centrist who would be to the right of most past republicans"
Cal| 5.15.12 @ 9:23PM
Anybody who thinks this has anything to do with the "Great Leap Forward" is terminally stupid.
BTW, "Forward" is also the official motto of the great state of Wisconsin. Does that mean Scott Walker is a pinko commie?
Cal is terminally stupid| 5.16.12 @ 9:45AM
Anybody who thinks Walker isn't defeating a half century's worth of Wisconsin pinko commie destruction should not be allowed to vote.
Paul| 5.16.12 @ 1:15PM
Cal (the original one), I think the lack of intelligence evinced in the reply above should provide your answer.
Exposed Rat| 5.16.12 @ 5:35PM
"Every rational political observer sees Obama as a modern centrist who would be to the right of most past republicans."
Paul| 5.16.12 @ 5:37PM
It would almost seem like you have a point. But you and I both know you don't.
Exposed Rat| 5.16.12 @ 7:16PM
"Every rational political observer sees Obama as a modern centrist who would be to the right of most past republicans."
Name them.
Paul| 5.16.12 @ 8:11PM
By "them," I assume you mean republicans who are to the left of Obama. That list is vast, so I'll isolate it to presidents for now:
1) George HW Bush: Understood that reducing a budget shortfall in a modern economy generally must include raising taxes. Understood that simply reducing the capital gains tax is merely a giveaway to billionaires that does little or nothing to shore up the issues affecting society at large. Expanded civil liberties through signing the American Disabilities Act. Signed the Clean Air Act, a major environmental policy.
2) Richard Nixon: Started the EPA, and was the first president to openly discuss environmental policy. Supported the Clean Air Act, OSHA and the National Environmental Policy Act.
Based on your comments so far, I gather that you lack the resources to marshall facts and logic to mount a coherent argument, and that your next response will be a single-sentence snippet of stupidity. Feel free to prove me wrong.
Exposed Rat| 5.16.12 @ 9:53PM
"Every rational political observer sees obama as a modern centrist who would be to the right of most past republicans."
Name as many from the list of every rational political observer that sees Obama as a modern centrist who would be to the right of most past republicans.
Paul| 5.16.12 @ 10:05PM
No, I've already provided a lot. First I need to see some sign that I'm interacting with an intelligent, coherent adult. There's been no sign yet.
You seem to be of the ilk that believes Obama is a crazy socialist that would make Che Guevara pause and say "Daaaammmn!" So please lay it on me: what has Obama actually DONE (not said, not pretended to do, not rumored to have done, but actually DONE) to live up to that.
Take your time.
Exposed Rat| 5.17.12 @ 10:24AM
"Every rational political observer sees Obama as a modern centrist who would be to the right of most past republicans."
You haven't provided even a little. You haven't provided any names. You show no sign of any intellectual integrity. The only thing you've provided is proof that your intellectual integrity has been entirely trashed without any help from anyone else.
Take some time while you can to take the comfort provided by the modern communist centrist who approves of your sexuality the few short months left any rational political observer sees he will be at all relevant while you're fantasizing about Che.
Paul| 5.17.12 @ 1:42PM
I...see. I provided no names. (George Bush and Richard Nixon apparently are not names but...something else.)
Meanwhile, you completely failed at showing what makes Obama a communist. You didn't even try. That's because you realize you have nothing to show. But I expect you're going to rip off my words (prattling on about intellectual integrity of which you've shown none) while actually saying nothing of substance. Feel free to continue denying what any literate human can read for himself on this very page. I get a kick out of that.
Next, you have to pretend that I'm gay, because as I recall back when I was in 4th grade, that's a real zinger when you have nothing better to say.
In total, your contribution here has provided a textbook case of someone whose worldview is not reflected in reality and who therefore has to rely wholly on denial and obfuscation in order to convince himself (and no one else) that he's not an idiot. These are the kinds of responses I'm used to from republicans. It doesn't portray you guys in a great light, but what to do?
Paul| 5.16.12 @ 10:05PM
No, I've already provided a lot. First I need to see some sign that I'm interacting with an intelligent, coherent adult. There's been no sign yet.
You seem to be of the ilk that believes Obama is a crazy socialist that would make Che Guevara pause and say "Daaaammmn!" So please lay it on me: what has Obama actually DONE (not said, not pretended to do, not rumored to have done, but actually DONE) to live up to that.
Take your time.
Exposed Rat| 5.17.12 @ 2:50PM
"Every rational political observer sees Obama as a modern centrist who would be to the right of most past republicans."
While taking your time, while using both your lotion and your Che poster at the same time, while having provided lots of words already so far, that haven't been any of them so far any names, any names of any of every of the rational political observers, surely a list of lots of any names none of which you've so far provided, even after providing lots of words, thousands even, while taking your time, while using both your lotion and your Che poster at the same time.
Paul| 5.17.12 @ 2:59PM
Just a reality check while you're flailing:
It's true. I haven't provided a single name, because as we both know, Richard Nixon and George Bush are not actually names but regular nouns. (See, I'm trying to speak idiotese so you'll understand me better, so give me some credit.)
Now, skim back up the thread and consider what you have provided. You have adequately demonstrated your command of the copy-and-paste functionality of your computer by copying my statement over and over. That's more than your average republican can do, so you should be proud. You've asked me questions. You've suggested that I'm gay. You've engaged in denial. That's about it.
Whew! Great work, Tex.
Paul| 5.17.12 @ 5:31PM
I'm hoping that although you can't write, perhaps you can read. Here, take a gander at these compelling arguments:
http://www.kiplinger.com/colum.....eally.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comm.....republican
I know you'll lack the maturity to admit that those arguments are correct. I also know you lack the ability to refute them. Lacking both of those, your only next response can be to call me a homo again. I invite you to prove me correct below.
Exposed Rat| 5.17.12 @ 7:39PM
5/15 @ 10:56 am:
"Every rational political observer sees Obama as a modern centrist who would be to the right of most republicans."
No names provided in response.
5/16 @ 5:35 pm:
"Every rational political observer sees Obama as a modern centrist who would be to the right of most republicans."
No names provided in response
5/16 @ 7:16 pm:
"Every rational political observer sees Obama as a modern centrist who would be to the right of most republicans."
No names provided in response.
5/16 @ 9:53 pm:
"Every rational political observer sees Obama as a modern centrist who would be to the right of most republicans."
No names provided in response.
5/17 @ 10:24 am:
"Every rational political observer sees Obama as a modern centrist who would be to the right of most republicans."
No names provided in response.
5/17 @ 2:50 pm:
"Every rational political observer sees Obama as a modern centrist who would be to the right of most republicans."
No names provided in response.
Then, two and a half hours later, two links provided in response:
- the first link provided, 'Kiplinger', states in its website they are about "business forecasts and personal finance advice" and not "political analysis".
- the second link provided, 'Salon', states in its website they are the "leading progressive news site".
- this contributor was ranked 36th of 40 most popular pundits by 'New York Magazine', whose website states "With culture-affecting editorial that gives 'New York' the power to launch phenomena, coin phrases, define decades, start movements, and endorse demographics, this is where the conversations start. Multidimensional and dynamic, this is wellspring of influence."
- this contributor is referred to as a liberal pundit by 'The New York Times'.
"Every rational political observer sees Obama as a modern centrist who would be to the right of most republicans."
Paul| 5.17.12 @ 8:39PM
Ah yes, that option slipped my mind. Given that you can't refute those arguments, your only hope is to discount them out of hand based on your claim of who those people are. Of course, in your own style, you didn't actually make any claims, but simply copied and pasted words you found on their web site, hoping that would suffice as a coherent point. But you can't touch the reasoning of those articles, can you?
So let's sum up. You can't reason very well, given that you couldn't begin to explain what exactly makes Obama a socialist. You are cowardly in that you haven't been able to even say what your true opinion is. However, I will give you one thing: you are a whiz at copy-and-paste.
I'm about to leave on a long weekend with no internet, so feel free to call me a fag and declare victory.
Exposed Rat| 5.17.12 @ 9:07PM
"Every rational political observer sees Obama as a modern centrist who would be to the right of most republicans."
The 'argument', based on 'reason', of the Exposed Rat named Paul, when the exposed rat is not busy exposing the little rat to both lotion and Che poster:
"Every rational political observer sees Obama as a modern centrist who would be to the right of most republicans."
"Every"
"rational"
"political observer"
- 'every rational political observer', according to the exposed rat, consisting of a contributor to a newsletter that is self-described as about business forecasts that is also self-described as not about political analysis, and of a contributor at a self-described progressive magazine who is the 36th of the 40 most popular pundits, according to the 'rational' sensibilities of a magazine self-described as the multidimensional and dynamic wellspring of influence where conversation starts for the power to launch phenomena and coin phrases and define decades and start movements and endorse demographics.
"Every rational political observer sees Obama as a modern centrist who would be to the right of most republicans."
Paul| 5.17.12 @ 9:22PM
I understand that you're waiting for me to make claims, and then using your amazing powers of copy and paste, you will attempt to dispense with those claims without mounting any sort of argument to refute them. When someone is unable to reason and when their worldview clashes so sharply with reality, that's generally what you're left with.
So, as I finish packing for the weekend and get in the car, let me leave you with one question which will totally render you mute:
What has Obama actually DONE (not said, not pretended to do, not rumored to have done, but actually DONE in terms of concrete policy initiatives) to that conforms to socialist ideology. Name one thing.
If your choice is "Obamacare," then given that this plan was first conceived by republicans in the 90s and implemented by Romney in MA, please explain in detail why those people aren't socialists too.
But let's face it, you will have no response apart from copy and paste. So long!
Exposed Rat| 5.17.12 @ 9:49PM
"Every rational political observer sees Obama as a modern centrist who would be to the right of most republicans."
Obama is a socialist. Obama is a marxist. Obama is a communist. This thread, and the now nearly notorious link, referred to above, expose the liar you are:
www.spectator.org/archives/201.....s-together
Obamacare was not first conceived by republicans in the 90s. You are a liar.
You lie about Obamacare. You lie about Obama as socialist. You lie about Obama as marxist. You lie about Obama as communist. You lie about Obama and every rational political observer. You even lie about your sexuality and your lotion and your Che poster.
"Every rational observer sees Obama as a modern centrist who would be to the right of most republicans."
Paul| 5.22.12 @ 9:16PM
I'm back to ridicule you again. Let me tear your quotes to pieces:
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Obama is a socialist. Obama is a marxist. Obama is a communist.
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You don't seem to realize that simply repeating these statements does nothing to prove them. You had your opportunity to show ONE THING that Obama has done that conforms with these ideologies and you didn't even try. That says far more than your vacuous claims.
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Obamacare was not first conceived by republicans in the 90s. You are a liar.
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Republicans conceived of the mandate which is the main bone of contention that the republicans claim now. Here, read all about it.
http://myzipcare.com/2012/02/f.....-care-act/
(Ouch!)
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You lie about Obamacare. You lie about Obama as socialist. You lie about Obama as marxist. You lie about Obama as communist.
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As I've just shown, my claims are true. You, on the other hand, can't even manage to form an argument, much less prove that such an argument is true. Instead, you simply make unsupported claims and voice your disagreement with me by claiming that I lie, even when the proof exists just a few pixels up on this same page.
In short, you've behaved like a little kid on this thread, and I'm pleased that I was able to draw this out of you. If you want to demonstrate this further, please provide your next statement of imbecility below.
Exposed Rat| 5.23.12 @ 12:07PM
"Every rational political observer sees Obama as a modern centrist to the right of most republicans."
" "Obamacare"...was first conceived by republicans in the 90s...Republicans conceived of the mandate which is the main bone of contention that the republicans claim now. Here, read all about it. 'zipcare.com' (Ouch!)"
As if any sentient being reading this thread, or the link provided in this thread, www.spectator.org/archives/201.....-together, is unable to determine what a liar and an idiot you are, they can always read the 'Wall Street Journal':
"...the idea of a mandate for individuals to purchase health insurance...was raised...in a 1986 symposium published in the 'Indiana Law Review'."
Sentient beings will just have determine for themselves whether the 'Wall Street Journal' is as credible a source as 'ZipCare', which "aims to define interactive health care by connecting individuals with physicians over the Internet", an idea that came to a co-founder "after his daughter complained of an earache".
It's ironic you hadn't read this. After all, the article it was in is titled 'Gay? Yay!'
And, genius, the main bone of contention isn't "Obamacare", it's that Obama is a socialist. And a marxist. And a communist.
" "Obamacare"...was first conceived by republicans in the 90s...Republicans conceived of the mandate which is the main bone of contention that the republicans claim now. Here, read all about it. 'zipcare.com' (Ouch!)"
"Every rational political observer sees Obama as a modern centrist to the right of most republicans."
Paul| 5.23.12 @ 11:11PM
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"...the idea of a mandate for individuals to purchase health insurance...was raised...in a 1986 symposium published in the 'Indiana Law Review'."
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That's a piece of information that took both me and the WSJ by surprise. However, the first group to formally take the concept of mandates and attempt to apply them to public policy was the conservative Heritage Foundation, run by republicans. Here, read this dialogue where Romney and Gingrich discuss it.
http://online.wsj.com/article/.....hare_tweet
Further, the first person to implement the mandate was Romney, that guy you're voting for in November. Ironic, no?
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And, genius, the main bone of contention isn't "Obamacare", it's that Obama is a socialist. And a marxist. And a communist.
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OK, I've got a 6-year-old boy and I understand this mindset totally. You can't do anything to support the notion that Obama is a socialist, a marxist and a communist (3 words whose meaning you are totally unaware). There is not one single act that Obama has ever done that shows him as any of that, and you are painfully aware that I'm right, which is why you've never attempted to prove me wrong.
However (back to the 6-year-old mentality), you believe that if you simply repeat your unproven claim a sufficient number of times, it will magically come true. Good luck with that.
Paul| 5.23.12 @ 11:16PM
I know informing yourself of the facts is the last thing you want to do, but since you mentioned such high regard for the WSJ, I thought you might be interested to read about this topic we're discussing, so as to avoid looking so stupid next time.
http://online.wsj.com/article/.....hare_tweet
No charge.
Exposed Rat| 5.24.12 @ 9:04AM
"Every rational political observer sees Obama as a modern centrist to the right of most republicans."
"Every"
"rational"
"observer"
Except, with the exception of an observer at a newsletter about business forecasts that specifically mentions that the newsletter is not about political analysis, and another observer at a news site that specifically mentions they are the leading progessive news site, you have simply not provided any rational political observers, not even magically, even though 'every' one of them sees Obama as a modern centrist to the right of most republicans.
Perhaps, if you simply repeat your unproven claim a sufficient amount of times it will magically come true.
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" "Obamacare" ...was first conceived by republicans in the 90s...Republicans conceived of the mandate which is the main bone of contention that the republicans claim now. Here, read all about it. 'zipcare.com.' (Ouch!)...the first group to formally take the concepts of mandates and attempt to apply them to public policy was the conservative Heritage Foundation, run by republicans."
Perhaps, if you simply repeat your unproven claim a sufficient amount of times it will magically come true.
Except, the idea of a mandate for individuals to purchase health insurance as a part of public policy was simply raised not magically but in reality in a 1986 symposium published in the Indiana Law Review:
"Volume 19 No. 4 1986
SYMPOSIUM ON FINANCING AND REGULATING HEALTH CARE SERVICES: HARD CHOICES AND ETHICAL DILEMMAS
Coverage and Care for the Medically Indigent: Public and Private Options...
State Hospital Cost Containment: An Analysis of Legislative Initiatives
...Public Policymaking as Morality Play...
...A New Technology Under Regulation and Deregulation...
...Full Circle: The Return of Certificate of Need Regulation of Health Facilities to State Control...
...Making Hard Choices Under the Medicare Perspective Payment System: One Administrative Model for Allocating Medical Resources Under a Government Health Insurance Program..."
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"You can't do anything to support the notion that Obama is a socialist, a marxist, and a communist...There is not a single act that shows Obama has ever done that shows him as any of that...which is why you've never attempted to prove me wrong."
Except, you keep ignoring the comments in the thread to this article, 'Obama Steals Mao's Slogan', that I have simply repeatedly cited that simply proves that your claim is not magically true but in reality is simply not true, that has simply a sufficient amount of examples simply repeating not magically but in reality that Obama is simply a socialist and a marxist and a communist not magically but in reality, and you keep ignoring the comments in the thread to the article 'They're All In This Together', that I have simply repeatedly cited that simply proves that your claim is not magically true but in reality is simply not true, that has simply a sufficient amount of examples simply repeating not magically but in reality that Obama is simply a socialist and a marxist and a communist not magically but in reality.
Perhaps, if you simply repeat your unproven claim a sufficient amount of times it will magically come true.
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"You can't do anything to support the notion that Obama is a socialist, a marxist, and a communist...There is not a single act that shows Obama has ever done that shows him as any of that...which is why you've never attempted to prove me wrong."
" "Obamacare...was first conceived by the republicans in the 90s...Republicans conceived of the mandate which is the main bone of contention that the republicans claim now. Here, read all about it. 'zipcare.com' (Ouch!)...the first group to formally take the concepts of mandates and attempt to apply them to public policy was the conservative Heritage Foundation, run by republicans."
"Every rational political observer sees Obama as a modern centrist to the right of most republicans."
Perhaps, you are simply not repeating your unproven claims a sufficient amount of times to magically come true, and is why you are simply a liar, and an idiot, not magically, but in reality.
Paul| 5.25.12 @ 12:00AM
Wow, that post was 100% incoherent. I see that happen a lot when a republican has lost an argument but can neither admit to that and learn something, nor simply slink away in shame. Must suck to be you.
Oh, I know! Why not try out the copy-and-paste function again. That always works!
Exposed Rat| 5.25.12 @ 8:44AM
Pathetic. Even from you.
Paul| 5.26.12 @ 1:26PM
Meanwhile, "pathetic" is too soft a word to describe your absolute failure to even attempt to prove your point — that Obama is a communist — despite countless posts saying all manner of vacuous tripe.
This thread really does not portray republicanism very well. Of course, what does?
Every| 5.27.12 @ 10:57AM
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Paul| 5.29.12 @ 11:14PM
You make my point for me.