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A Further Perspective
The Trayvon Martin Nightmare
A shameful moment in civil rights history.
The Martin-Zimmerman matter is a nightmare because of the way in which government officials, private citizens, and the media have made blunder after blunder in taking a sad situation and provoking it into a national and international catastrophe. Instead of acting as the leader of the nation and seeking to calm the situation, President Obama engaged in blatant racial pandering by saying the dead youngster would have looked like his son if he had one.
Attorney General Holder has been even worse and I assume that he is working with the active approval or indeed the encouragement of Mr. Obama and the White House staff. Of all the sins committed in recent months by the Obama-Holder Justice Department, one of the worst is the refusal to curb the blatant criminal activities of the New Black Panther Party. This hate group has taken to the Florida streets and has openly put a $10,000 bounty on the head of George Zimmerman, dead or alive. If the attorney general needs legal advice on what federal statutes have been violated by the Panthers, I will seek out some freshman law student in Washington and send him down the street to the Justice Department.
Such shameful racial pandering gets votes, lots of them. There is an important election coming in November. As a veteran of the original civil rights movement, I simply cannot believe that this is happening to the country that I love. I have the same angry, sad feeling that I had when I sat in a civil rights hearing in July 2010 and watched J. Christian Adams blow the whistle on in his former colleagues in the Civil Rights Division for their racist behavior in the performance of their official duties. The current disturbing actions of Messrs. Obama and Holder demonstrate that Adams’ seminal book, Injustice, was sadly prophetic.
For many years in the distant past my specialty was investigating and reporting on police and mob brutality to blacks and other minorities. My investigations often were conducted in the hot sun of Mississippi or Alabama or in the cold of beautiful downtown Detroit as part of my duties as a federal civil rights official. Time after time I documented cases of such unlawful actions against innocent black citizens. (For what it is worth, I was helped in my Detroit investigations by a little known young black lawyer named John Conyers.) Moreover, on several occasions I confronted the brutal police and mob leaders and sought to convince them to curb their racist activities.
The available evidence in the Zimmerman-Martin case bears no resemblance to the actual cases of brutality that I documented. The evidence, to start with, reveals George Zimmerman to be a minority citizen who had black friends, including two young kids he mentored. Joe Oliver, a black friend with media experience, has felt impelled to come to his defense in the public forum, and continues to do so. No reliable evidence shows Zimmerman to be a violent bigot. No reliable evidence supports the notion, put forth by many black and white officials, that he hunted Martin down and shot him like a dog.
While other evidence may appear that will change my mind — and it is evidence not wild hysterical charges that should rule here — the current available evidence suggests that in his legal capacity as a neighborhood watch volunteer Zimmerman became concerned that Martin might have been one of the burglars who had been breaking into homes in that neighborhood. The two had some conversation and soon, according to Zimmerman, Martin hit him, knocked him down, and jumped on him. There was a struggle on the ground and Martin tried to get Zimmerman’s pistol which was in a holster at his waist. Zimmerman somehow got his gun in his hand. One shot was fired and the young man died. That was indeed a tragedy but the evidence suggests that the shot was fired in self-defense.
Had George Zimmerman been intent on killing the young man, as many people have claimed, he could have taken his gun out and shot him several times from a safe distance. There is no evidence of that murderous intent. To the contrary, there is evidence that Zimmerman deeply regrets the shooting and is suffering from post-traumatic stress. He believes that his life has been ruined. Because of the massive number of threats on his life, including threats from the Black Panthers, he and some of his family members have been hiding and living in fear.
Think of that fact. An alleged assailant, a minority member who claimed he is innocent, has been hiding and living in fear of black mobs. In America. In the year 2012. Now, George Zimmerman has been charged by the special prosecutor, Angel Corey, with second degree murder and is in jail awaiting further proceedings.
WHILE THE FACTS OF THE CASE have been reviewed time and time again in the media, here and around the world, I have just gone back and looked at a few key pieces of objective fact that seem to have been forgotten in the racial hysteria.
Zimmerman claimed self-defense, a legal defense that has been in existence for centuries, long before the new stand-your-ground laws expanded on that defense. I have not found a single solid contrary fact that has been brought forth in all the emotional weeks since the sad death of Trayvon Martin. In her amateurish statement of probable cause for the second degree murder charge, Special Prosecutor Angela Corey did not cite a single such solid contrary fact. Her actions seem to be in response to the public protests and not to any new objective facts. It is just possible that Ms. Corey could be facing ethical charges like Mike Nifong, the ill-fated prosecutor in the Duke lacrosse case.
In my experience the facts that come out soon after an incident occurs are usually the facts that tell the truth. Perry Mason moments are as rare as hen’s teeth. Officer Timothy Smith arrived within minutes of the shooting. He wrote in his report: “Zimmerman stated that he had shot the subject [Martin] and he was still armed. Zimmerman complied with all of my verbal commands and was secured in handcuffs. Located on the inside of Zimmerman’s waist band, I removed a black Kel Tek 9mm PF9 semi auto handgun and holster. While I was in such close contact with Zimmerman, I could observe that his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass, as if he had been lying on his back on the ground. Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and back of his head.”
That report also stated, “Zimmerman was placed in the rear of my police vehicle and was given first aid by the SFD [Sanford Fire Department]. While the SFD was attending to Zimmerman, I overheard him state, ‘I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me.’”
These objective facts are fully supportive of Zimmerman’s version of the incident. They have not been rebutted except by mass hysteria and by charges of racial discrimination on the part of police and prosecutors.
Zimmerman agreed to talk to the police investigators and even took a voice stress test while in custody. This is a type of lie detector test used by hundreds of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies. It was reported that Zimmerman’s voice test came out clean.
Yet, there was a conflict in the opinions of the local law enforcement officials as to the proper course of action. Lead homicide investigator Chris Sereno said he did not believe Zimmerman’s story and wanted to file an affidavit charging him with manslaughter. However, Police Chief Bill Lee and State Attorney Norman Wolfinger looked at the same set of facts and concluded that there was not enough evidence to support a conviction. Since Wolfinger was in the superior position, the case was dropped and Zimmerman was released. This action was consistent with centuries of Anglo-American legal traditions enshrining the presumption of innocence.
About the Author
Arnold S. Trebach, J.D., Ph.D., the author of several books, is professor emeritus of public affairs, American University. He was involved as a front line protester in the original civil rights movement and has been a federal civil rights official.
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Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 4.19.12 @ 7:33AM
You described what a President should have done and could have done if he were color blind. But like all liberals President Obama and his acolytes within his administration must promote the hatred of whites so he can hold onto the black vote thereby destroying individualism and promoting group effort.
Though it's based on the most evil of themes, racism, group effort must be honored.
Ironically, many Presidents in the past have all operated in a color blind manner, protecting the rights of all.
Now we have a President who has unwisely thrown down the gauntlet to other races and indicated that they are own their own if they come up against any black for any reason.
In effect, the President may have inadvertently created the circumstances which will create more George Zimmermans and unfortunately more Trayvon Martins.
The only tragedy here is the lack of leadership and correct moral authority disdaining the Al Sharptons, the President Obamas and the Angela Coreys, all of whom have launched a conspiracy against the truth and the right of the individual against an unprincipled mob mentality.
megapotamus| 4.19.12 @ 1:23PM
Actually what the President should have done in both cases is nothing, or nearly nothing as far as public statements go. I don't denounce Obama for failing to communicate remorse or whatever to the British fellows families. There are crimes every day in this country and every other. Is the head of state supposed to take on the coroners' duties in every county? But he blew it with Trayvon because he wanted to express his support for all those things he should rightly have been denouncing; not just the obvious illegal actions of the Panthers but at least of Al Sharpton injecting himself and wetting his beak so ostentatiously. He makes Jesse Jackson look like Allen West! But it was not just a quiet and implicit assent. Holder and other Cabinet types showed up to kiss Sharpton's a$$ on national television! Hugs and smooches and thanks for all you do, Reverum Al! Look at what is happening here. It is a good thing Zimmerman turns out to be half-Peruvian. He is STILL simply derided as a cracker! If he were the pasty Jew his name implies DisneyWorld would be in ashes by now and maybe there is a tiny gap now between this stripe in the Rainbow Coalition and the others but it can't be denied with the Adams revelations and just the plain evidence of our own eyes and ears. What Obama and his claque are putting in place is government OF the black people, BY the black people and FOR the black people. Everything the old time segregationists said would happen has happened. There was never any attempt at "equality", just inversion with Affirmative Action replacing incidental and institutional discrimination with purposeful, legally mandated and enforced discrimination. Maybe in some grand moral sense that is just. If only it didn't turn this country that supports all of humanity in so many ways into a larger, more diverse version of Haiti with a caste system that puts whites as scapegoats, fit only to provide recompense to these former "slaves", in perpetuity and without limit.
LiveFreeOrDie| 4.19.12 @ 4:41PM
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." - MLK
Did the 'media/Sharpton/mob' judge Zimmerman by the content of his character or the color of his skin?
Did the 'media/Sharpton/mob' judge Martin by the content of his character or the color of his skin?
Alan Brooks| 4.19.12 @ 6:14PM
If your unarmed 17 year old grandkid were to be gunned down, under any circumstances, then you go ballistic.
Charles R. Williams| 4.19.12 @ 8:16PM
Not if he attacks somebody, unprovoked.
Richard Haden| 4.20.12 @ 10:10PM
Chuck, Zimmerman provoked the situation...had he stayed out of it, the skittles would have been eaten...
ninainMA| 4.21.12 @ 12:05PM
So then what is the purpose of a neighborhood watch? Isn't it to deter crime? And he was going back into his truck anyway when he was attacked. Apparently, it's okay for criminals to just continue doing their crimes and NO ONE should stand against them!?
Pops| 4.20.12 @ 2:07PM
My grandkids will not be skulking around some place they are not supposed to be. And if they think a stranger is following them, they sure as hell will not confront them as Martin did. Young blacks are taught to be as Trayvon was and they are taught to be angry. Unfortunately, Zimmerman was the guy that shot him. Sad but eventually, by the look of the evidence, Trayvon probably would have been shot by one of his brothers in the hood. He just picked the wrong time and the wrong place and the wrong man.
avidyananda| 4.20.12 @ 2:45PM
Trayvon was killed by his thug, youth culture as much as he was by that gun.
Bill| 4.20.12 @ 7:07PM
Pops, Trayvon was not "skulking around some place he was not supposed to be." His father lived in the complex. He had every right to be there. Why do say he was "skulking"? Because he was black? If so, you're a filthy racist, and you prove how badly we need people like Al and Jesse to counteract fools like you. Yes, Zimmerman probably will get off because of the "Stand Your Ground" law which lets you provoke a confrontation and then shoot your attacker.
Denise| 4.22.12 @ 12:20AM
So now the use of the word skulking is racist? Trayvon should have continued on to his fathers apt., instead of confronting Zimmerman. Once Zimmerman realized Trayvon had business there he would have stopped investigating his "skulking." One more thing, I drove a cab for years in Cleveland and the hoodie's are used as a means of hiding the face during robberies, and that's a fact. I'm not saying everyone that wears a hoodie is a robber, just that most robbers wear a hoodie.
Buck Bradley| 4.22.12 @ 9:02AM
Martin was a burglar in fact and obviously a violent thug who had assaulted a bus driver. One murderer in training removed from the streets to the benefit of all society.
James Solbakken | 4.22.12 @ 3:14PM
"under any circumstances"
This is the difference between liberal pinheads and normal people. Normal people consider the circumstances. Liberal pinheads say, "My mother, drunk or sober!!!"
Richard Haden| 4.20.12 @ 7:51PM
Bill, you made a fairy tale claim that many past presidents have "all operated in a color blind manner, protecting the rights of all." Bill you must live in a delusional world... For one thing Bill, US Presidents don't control racism in the US and the other thing is that racism is so institutionalized in this country that the Zimmerman case just shines a light on the issue: that a black kid who was minding his own business, walking back to his fathers friends place was gunned down for being black at about 7:30 pm, for doing nothing more than minding his own business. No one should be gunned down by a inept Barney Fide Zimmerman for walking while Black.
Gandydancer| 4.24.12 @ 7:15AM
Bashing someones head on the concrete isn't "minding [your] own business" or "walking while black".
Darin| 4.19.12 @ 7:34AM
A racist is a person who makes decisions and actions based on race. Black Americans should weep that they are represented by such racists as Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Eric Holder, and Barack Obama. It's time for all Americans to demand an end to racism, regardless of race, by those in authority at any level.
Teaghan| 4.19.12 @ 8:43AM
I wouldn't hold my breath Darin.
Pseudo-Intellectual | 4.19.12 @ 10:53AM
George Zimmerman is a national hero who rid the world of a violent thief, drug dealer, and thug.
loulou| 4.19.12 @ 12:08PM
I agree.
David| 4.20.12 @ 1:38PM
So, we have promoted a teenage pot dealer to a menace to society that should be executed. Neither I nor any of my classmates, who are currently free market loving, tax paying, mostly conservative adults would be around today.
ETAJMom| 4.20.12 @ 2:00PM
You don't know how his life would have turned out. It's that kind of thinking that throws gas on the fire. Would you feel the same way if Trayvon had been white? I'd prefer to let the judicial system do its job. I, like you, was not there when the shooting took place. Neither one of us knows what really happened. It's a sad story no matter how you look at it.
Richard Haden| 4.20.12 @ 7:54PM
Hey Pseudo-moron, who was the violent thief, drug dealer, and thug? You need the black kid to be what you want him to be to serve your own racist attitudes. Good luck getting on in the world...
propriogiuseppequi| 4.21.12 @ 12:04AM
Your support of The Constitution of the United States inspires me to applaud your verbal patriotism.
Care to point-out specifically where what you say is supported by anything therein? Care to link us to any facts or figures to support your precognition of the rest of the kids life?
Yes, you are one of the verbal patriots. I wonder how your guys survived before the advent of the 'net? If it were not for the anonymity provided by the 'net of sites like this you guys might have to really stand-up-for your verbal patriotism!
Ed| 4.19.12 @ 10:51AM
In the Zimmerman case the media has gone out of its way to fan the flames of racial animosity.
It is to the media's advantage to stir up racial animosity and violence so more viewers will tune in to see it.
cali| 4.19.12 @ 11:36AM
I believe there is something more afoot and, will reveal itself in the coming months.
Obama knows he will not win re-election. As a strategy - Jarret (iranian born, communist, literally hates white americans), Holder, Obama, Michelle, Van Jones, Sharpton, Black Panthers, got together about 10 months ago, planning a race war and, also using the Protesters - together with the racist lynchmobs, will turn this country upside down.
An insider, who remains unknown, reported that strategy almost 10 months ago and, was reported at:
www.theulstermanreport.com.
I believe when it's coming close to November, polls are in dis-favor of obama, they let loose.
The insider reported that they do not care to start a race war, nor do they mind setting this country ablaze, because obama feels that if he can't be in the white house, nobody will.
It would also not surprise me if he were to declare 'marshal law' suspending the re-election, using his recent signed EO.
When he made the stmt to putin's lapdog on the open mic, he said 'after my last re-election I have more flexibility' rather than 'if I win re-election....'.
Why is he so positive and confident that he will have another 4 yrs? Why has he not laid out an agenda, a new one, for a 2nd term?
propriogiuseppequi| 4.21.12 @ 12:10AM
Wow what a comment! Have you ever considered using your vivid imagination and airy prose to write stories for publication for money? You know, like a real author, for magazines or even a novel? Your creative forces are wasted in a forum like this, doncha think?
scotchieguy| 4.19.12 @ 3:33PM
The media is as giddy about this story as the local media are when bad weather is on its way up here in MN. If it bleeds, it leads. Nothing could be more insidious than the MSM practically encouraging this sick mob mentality from occurring. All in the name of ratings.
ninainMA| 4.21.12 @ 12:12PM
Agreed. The MSM with failure to report truthfully on crimes in this country is appauling while this gets the headlines and all the national attention. If Martin were white, then what? Crickets. As much as I feel for Martin's parents, I feel more for the Zimmerman's. More and more is coming out about how he was attacked by the "kid" with pictures of his bloodied head just released....no fear of being killed eh?
LMajito| 4.19.12 @ 1:35PM
they're not weeping, at least a majority of them, because they're the most racist of all...check out the movie 'Guess who' and listen to the taxi driver remarks to the black girl 'you are bringing a white guy to dinner and your dad is not going to mind?'
so don't expect too much outrage in this matter...we have a racist president with a racist cadre of lackies fueling the black racist sentiment.
now, i'm not saying all blacks feel this way but most of them do and just like with muslims, the ones that reject this racism, they're not going to step out to be vilified by the so called reverends...ever wonder why no black preacher comes out and questions these labels?
either they agree with these racist reverends remarks or are too coward to confront them. and as we all know, the only thing required for evil to prosper is for good folks do nothing...this is no tolerance...yellow stripes on the back plain and simple.
just look the panthers put out a bounty on the latino's head and nobody seems to mind (dead or alive)...but ted nugent talk about this november something is going to happen and he's got the ss (correcly name for their actions today) breathing down his neck...
sadly usa is but a shadow of what it once was...and the citizenry is watching it happen like all is well...i guess the same attitude was present in the land of goethe during the mid 30's and 40's...
Seek| 4.19.12 @ 4:36PM
Your definition of "racist" is in need of revision, Mr. Universalist. ALL people make decisions based on race, from college enrollment to marital partner to neighborhood. That includes whites, too. And the proper term isn't "racist"; it's race-realist. As a matter of course, I prefer to avoid blacks in my daily activity.
WRZ| 4.22.12 @ 8:54AM
You sound like a true liberal.
propriogiuseppequi| 4.20.12 @ 11:54PM
Racism has a more specific definition than the one you use to minimize or obfuscate what it is in reality!
Racism is wrongly applied to the actions of any individual or small group. Please, do take the time to truly look at "the big picture" of this issue in the Spirit of Rational Though & Rational Discussion & Intellectual Honesty.
I feel my comment could benefit many, if only they would "take it to heart". But I know this isn't the perfect World where self-honesty, self-respect, & personal integrity are all important. Yeah, so we are inflicted by those who spout opinions on the 'net without having to "back them up" with facts, figures, nor responibility of speech!
Jack in Wi.| 4.19.12 @ 7:37AM
There is no doubt that the Democrats are using this incident to stir up a very disaffected black base which has gotten little from the first black president. There is also little doubt that articles like this are ment to stir up the yahoo vote for the Republicans and get them out. Well I think Zimmerman is right where he belongs, under arrest and awaiting a fair trial. If the evidence is lacking, he will win aquital or dismissal. Both sides should step back and let the system work as it is supposed too.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 4.19.12 @ 7:42AM
I was in law enforcement for 30 years. I not only made arrests, I supervised and managed many operations which led to arrests.
In Zimmerman's case he's under arrest for only one reason, to appease a mob.
That's not justice and next, they may come for you with flimsy probable cause.
If they do, don't complain.
Jack in Wi.| 4.19.12 @ 7:58AM
My uncle was a cop for 30 years and he didn't believe in arresting people or giving tickets unless he had too. I worked in black neighborhoods for many years and had little trouble. I followed my uncle's advice on that subject. He was a former vice detective as well. He said that the blacks are harrassed unmercifully by the police, in his time 50 years ago. His advice on the subject was leave them alone and quit with all the harrassment. He thought all that gong ho stuff with chickenshit arrests only made for bad relations with any community. I found if you treated black people with respect and humor you usually had little trouble.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 4.19.12 @ 8:11AM
What does any of that have to do with George Zimmerman and a phony arrest?
Jack in Wi.| 4.19.12 @ 8:17AM
I don't think the arrest was phony and I would not want you investigating the death of my child. The whole thing stinks and that is why we have the outrage.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 4.19.12 @ 8:26AM
He may have been someone's child, but he was already a hardened drug dealing thug.
George Zimmerman is someone's child also. No sympathy for his parents?
I suspect that deep down inside you is a liberal just dying to get out.
chuck| 4.19.12 @ 8:43AM
I think the lib inside Jack is just under the first layer of skin, not deep down inside.
Jack in Wi.| 4.19.12 @ 9:09AM
I am a real conservative who thinks that the military and police are necessary evils that should be kept under very tight control. I don't like big government, lots of useless laws, and lots of bureaucrats. The police are the enforcers for the big government. It is best to keep them under control. They could get rid of 50% of the police in my neighborhood and there would be less taxes and less trouble. In fact many communities in my county are shutting their police depts and contracting with the county. There is way to much overhead and duplication in the police with all these depts.
Frank Drackman| 4.19.12 @ 9:17AM
Picked up for pandering in the Men's Room again???
Bob K.| 4.19.12 @ 9:59AM
Jack,
You are the most sophisticated left wing troll to ever appear on this web site but you finally exposed your self when you started writing comments about this case.
You could hide as a Libertarian when you supported Ron Paul and his foreign policy and helped create and advance the political controversies his views caused here but there is no way you can defend yourself as a
Libertarian or for that matter Conservative and make the arguments you are making here.
loulou| 4.19.12 @ 12:11PM
Jacks is busted.
Jack in Wi.| 4.19.12 @ 12:21PM
I am a conservative. Fascists love the police and the police state. That seems to be the mantra around here. My oldest and best friend was a policeman. So was my uncle. I had about 70 boys in my high school class. at least 7 of them became policemen of various sorts including at least 2 detectives. I just saw the living ones at a class reunion last year.
When I was a kid my old man had many of his brothers police friends doing his work around the house, also in his business.They were forbidden from having side jobs. In those quaint days it was thought that policeman had good jobs and so they should not compete with the taxpayers. My old man had all these guys working for cash. They were pretty nice guys. The guy washing the walls was a cop. The guy cutting the grass was a cop. The guys painting the house were cops.
One time when I was small boy and had been doing something I shouldn't have a squad car came up to the house. I was terrified. These were Milwaukee police and we lived in the township about 3 blocks from the border. Well they found out why I was scared and gave me a good talking too. They also took out their guns and unloaded one and let me play with it. they basically gave me a gun safety course when I was a small kid. Telling me never to point a gun at anyone. These guys actually were there to get instructions from my oldman on where to go on their day off to work. They sure did give me a good scare.
These guys were simple working men who did not have an axe to grind. Today everybody wants to ride around like they are TV detectives sticking their noses in everyones business. There are way too many people that idolize the police. Poor Zimmmerman was a police wantabe who was way out of his depths. He should of just minded his own business and no-one would be dead and no-one in jail.
megapotamus| 4.19.12 @ 1:39PM
Hmm. Lots of cop exposure. Maybe you could have gone to a school with lawyers kids, or judges kids. This affidavit on which Zimmerman is locked up is a joke. If they have any evidence that either contradicts Z's claims of self defense or demonstrates some sort of racist vendetta they haven't presented it here. We can all endorse a fair trial. Is one to be had in Sanford or the nation at large? Is a jury even to be impaneled? What will the Sharpton mob do if this farce is thrown out? Will they have been satisfied by this due process? Hell no. Even a conviction and maximal charge on Murder 2 will be evidence of racial conspiracy. The facts do not matter at all, as we learned with Troy Davis here in Atlanta not long ago. This rat shot a wounded cop on the ground, executed him in front of two dozen witnesses, many of whom knew him personally! Did any of that matter? Not in the least. And that is before we even consider the roll of deception in the media and in the buzzards who descended on the Martin family. Each of the early "facts" of the case have proven to be lies. Each of the later introduced elements that support Zimmerman's self defense claim have withstood scrutiny, indeed have come out from the debunking of the falsehoods. With that, barring some new and truly epic evidence, it is quite safe to say that Zimmerman's account is the true one. Trayvon has proven to be not the fuzzy bunny of grade-school photo albums but a teen thug of a depraved sort we all know of too well. There is no evidence of ANY improper conduct by Zimmerman. Was the shooting a "sad" event? Tragic maybe but sad? Sadder would have been George having his head cracked open, dying there on the sidewalk and a perpetrator never identified. That would be worse by far than a justified killing of a thief and thug in the commission of yet another crime.
2Anglico| 4.19.12 @ 5:48PM
So Jack, you think the police are an arm of big government and should be kept under control, eh? Then why are you ok with the "special" prosecutor putting Zimmerman in jail? She has ZERO evidence of a bad shoot. Is SHE not an ARM of big government too???
Traditional, common law self defense is what this case is, deal with it.
propriogiuseppequi| 4.21.12 @ 12:19AM
Please, in the name of honesty, in the name of rational, respectful discussion, give us the benefit of your facts and figures that you are using to so describe the juvenile victim of the homicide. where did you get your "inside" information?
You gotta have a link or two that will reveal to the rest of us the truth behind your statements over the grave of that kid!
Or is your information truly "inside", sorta-kinda-like "inside your head. Maybe the voice of "god" or some other "power" that tells you all that secret information you share with us here?
Sgt. Joe | 4.19.12 @ 10:16AM
Quote:
" ... All that gung ho stuff with chickensh-t arrests only made for bad relations with any community."
- Jack in Wi.
Analysis:
"Them damn cracker cops need 'ta know their place."
- Al Sharpton
Epilogue:
"So, how's St. Louis, East L.A. and downtown Detroit working out for you?"
- Joe Friday
JmsA| 4.19.12 @ 1:16PM
Sgt. Joe,
I believe you meant to write South Central L.A., though I admit, East L.A. is no picnic, either.
Robert | 4.19.12 @ 11:57PM
No it ain't! Not by a long shot.
Magnifying Glass| 4.19.12 @ 11:53AM
J in Wi said: "He said that the blacks are harrassed unmercifully by the police, in his time 50 years ago. "
A telling if not deliberate juxtaposition of tenses. 50 years ago is past tense, the word you seek is "were". They are no longer except perhaps by the youngest of newb cops.
Your statement presumes that it continues in the 21st century but you fail to acknowledge the severe penalties involved with any officer found doing so, which is usually dismissal from the force.
This applies to black officers harassing whites as well as the other way around.
Thus you have demonstrated ignorance regarding race relations in this nation. I live in the deep south in a rural area. I get along with everyone as do all my neighbors. The sheriff's department his has its problems but they are far from being known for "harassing blacks". In fact, they are known for quite the opposite, that is, being deliberately objective when pulling over a car or asking questions to all persons under scrutiny.
We don't live in 1962 America anymore. Except, I've noticed that certain baby-boomers whose formative years were back then cannot acknowledge that things have, indeed "improved" so much that they are a problem, what with government ghost-chasing and the likes of Al Sharp-tongue flitting about, not just looking for fires or fanning flames, but starting them. Yup, Al is quite the racist firebug.
The world-wide company I work for has blacks, hispanics, whites, people of all nationalities and sexual persuasions and the number of complaints per year as to racial discrimination are ZERO. None. Zip. Nada.
Time to get in your time machine and set it for April 19, 2012. I think you're stuck in the past.
A. Fox| 4.19.12 @ 1:22PM
Whait just one dam minute....I'm a baby boomer a first yr. baby boomer and I am NOT stuck in the past. Jack is just a jack ass!
Magnifying Glass| 4.19.12 @ 2:31PM
Easy now...easy. I said "certain baby-boomers", of which I, too am a part.
Jack is trying to be objective but his bias(es) come out. Perhaps it's because he had a strict upbringing like many of us did and he's still opposed to the "mean-ness" he recalls that was foisted on him or his peers while growing up.
Everyone has a past and everyone's past is filled with transgressions, both by and against the person involved. It's a fact of life. The difference is if malice was intended or just ignorance or both.
I have issues with my childhood, speaking personally, but it doesn't mean that I give people a pass just because they had a rotten childhood which somehow smooths the waters of past injustice, nor do I treat blacks with anything other than the normal, day-to-day respect I treat anyone.
However, once again, I'm caught in the rabble of talking about something that was intended from the beginning as a distraction. Sharpton started the fire, is fanning the flames, all the usual suspects are getting involved to distract us away from the narcissist-in-chief's crappy economy, socialist actions and Constitution butt-wiping that have been the signature of his tenure in office.
It makes me think they're thinking. "Watch this...they won't even notice while we move the pea to our hand and get them to be all agitated about where they think it is."
But they don't expect that thinking people, of which there are still millions here in the US, much to their efforts to the contrary, notice their actions and thanks to the internet, we talk about it, focus on it and identify it for what it is.
Their sewage treatment plant is about to break down in November...but it has always smelled.
scotchieguy| 4.19.12 @ 3:55PM
Spot on. Don't listen to what they say. Watch what they do. He is a master at bait and switch. I literally disbelieve everything he says. He said yesterday, "Someone gave me a college education. I was not born with a silver spoon." Very smooth. If that college education you received wasn't a silver spoon, then what was it? People really listen to this sh-t and suck it down like candy. Are people really that gullible?
Teaghan| 4.19.12 @ 8:46AM
Oh really Jack? You tell me how this man is EVER going to get a fair trial! If he has a lawyer worth anything, they will ask for a mistrial due to the horrific way the president inserted himself into the story, the media trying and convicting him and the shameful Eric Holder refusing to uphold the law against the BPs.
Your attitude if awful.
SUBVET| 4.19.12 @ 11:08AM
Folks........Jack is like barry he keeps stirring the pot and all here respond. You want him to go away don't respond.
You see how the topic has changed from the hoodie to "jack"........now let's get back to the topic.
ninainMA| 4.21.12 @ 12:23PM
The trial if it gets that far will be over in the jury selection! Done deal.
mickey_moussaoui| 4.19.12 @ 9:26AM
"If the evidence is lacking"
allow me to correct your liberal mindset: IF THE EVIDENCE PROVES SELF DEFENCE AND INNONCENSE.
We understand your lack of objective thought being that you are a pigheaded leftist
tdiinva| 4.19.12 @ 9:40AM
Jack:
I am a CHL holder and in wake of the Zimmerman-Martin case my right to defend myself is now limited to defending myself against Asians and whites -- a rare event. If I were to defend myself against a Hispanic (most likely an illegal) or an African-American I will be headed for a George Zimmerman experience.
There is not a shred of objective evidence to indicate that George Zimmerman acted in a criminal matter. The Prosecutor, Angela Corey, does not have a secret ace in the hole proving Zimmerman is guilty. If she did then she would have gone for a Grand Jury indictment. In this country we don't arrest people unless we have probably cause that a crime has been committed. In the end, Zimmerman will not be convicted and the attempt to satisfy the mob will end up costing the taxpayers of Florida a couple of million dollars.
After the Zimmerman affair I will never come to anybody's aid while I am armed (which is most of the time). All I will do is call 911 and perhaps take some video to give to the police if it doesn't put me in position where I will have to defend myself. If you don't take the necessary steps to protect yourself -- to bad for you.
Pete| 4.19.12 @ 11:34AM
Sad but true. Of course it would be "racist" to give those wise instructions in a CCW class.
tdiinva| 4.19.12 @ 2:17PM
On the plus side if you are a law abiding African-American who is threatened by an intruder of any race you are weapons free.
http://www.freep.com/article/2.....s-intruder
Emms| 4.19.12 @ 12:18PM
tdiinva,
Best comment of the day.
We are now straighjacketed into not aiding and assisting others when and where we can. It is like offering some aid to a terribly injured motorist on the roadside (AFTER having called 911) and aiding while the professional/"designated" help arrives.
Every time now that a homeowner defends his or her property and shoots -- if the perpetrator is black (all too likely) -- forget it. The shooter will be given knee-jerk treatment: charged, incarcerated.
It is almost as though -- If one has a firearm, is trained in how to properly and safely use it, one HAD BETTER in advance find a very competent, sane, level-headed attorney AND seek out friends in the local police force.
And one had better have a nice, long track record of helping the poor, the underprivileged, and, yes, of course, minorities.
Because the day that you actually use that firearm to aid someone else or defend yourself, that will be the day that you are disowned by all public officials, law enforcement, the race baiters, and, of course, the media.
And some prosecutor will see his "launch my career" opportunity.
DRed| 4.19.12 @ 1:19PM
Are you familiar with the John McNeil case in Georgia?
William| 4.19.12 @ 1:13PM
Zimmerman got his ass handed to him by a 17yo, but that does not mean he did not start or provoke the confrontation. Zimmerman sounds crazy to me with his anger, control issues, and wannabe-cop behavior. A young man is dead. Of course there needs to be an investigation. I hope the full truth comes out and justice prevails.
tdiinva| 4.19.12 @ 2:11PM
On what basis other than CNN, MS/NBC and ABC have you come to this conclusion?
Are you are aware that George Zimmerman stood up for a homeless black man who was unjustly beaten by the son of police officer? Are you aware that he tutors and mentors under privileged youth? Are you aware that he is a registered Democrat and probably an Obama voter? Knowing these facts does that change your perception of George Zimmerman?
William| 4.20.12 @ 10:22AM
tdiinva, no, I am aware of that information and it doesn't change my perception. Zimmerman was becoming unhinged. He was making nuisance calls to 911 over non-emergencies (e.g., to report potholes in the road.) I drew my conclusions from listening to the 911 tapes. Zimmerman sounds crazy and angry. He is swearing and making assumptions about Trayvon Martin. He sounds like a guy out to start a conflict. We don't live in a lawless society. When someone shoots someone else, we need a thorough investigation and for all the facts to come out.
Skippy| 4.20.12 @ 5:46PM
I call CHP all the time from my car to tell of hitchhikers on the 101, big gaping potholes that will cause an accident at 65mph and little gals with flat tires.
I guess that makes me unhinged.
Bill| 4.20.12 @ 7:10PM
You may very well be unhinged, Skippy. I don't know you, so I can't say. Listen to the 911 tape and tell me why our little Hardy Boy, Zimmerman, sounds so histrionic about someone who has every right to be where he is.
davod| 4.21.12 @ 5:12AM
911 calls? The initial call on the night in question was to the non-emergency number.
chemman| 4.19.12 @ 5:46PM
We don't know who started the situation. We do know Martin was about 6'2" tall and weighted between 150 and 170. In football that would make his a wide receiver or defensive back. Which means reasonably quit and fast. We do know that where the altercation occurred he was approximately 75 yds. from the place he was staying in. We do known from the phone time lines that 93 seconds elapsed during the call to 911. I could belly crawl 75 yds. in 93 sec. So here is where a good defense attorney will introduce probable doubt. What was Martin doing that he couldn't have made it home in the time frame.
chemman| 4.19.12 @ 5:47PM
Forgive the bad spelling. quit = quick
William| 4.20.12 @ 12:14PM
Martin also had the right to stand his ground. He had every right to be in the area. He was not obligated to run away home like a thief. Why the assumption that Martin should have turned tail and run? He had as much right to defend himself as Zimmerman did.
Skippy| 4.20.12 @ 5:48PM
That makes him remarkably stupid as well.
He righteously stood his ground, got into a stranger's face, knocked him down and beat him, and got a bullet in the chest.
Stupid is as stupid does.
Bill| 4.20.12 @ 7:12PM
No, Skippy. He should have had a gun. Then he could have shot and killed Zimmerman first, meaning he'd be alive today. That's what Florida law says -- that it's OK to shoot anyone you feel threatens you. Listen to the 911 tape. You will hear Zimmerman whining to police that Trayvon is looking at him and then running away. The dork will probably skate because of the stupid "Stand Your Ground" law, which just means whoever shoots first gets away with whatever they've done.
ninainMA| 4.21.12 @ 12:38PM
I don't get it. Apparently Z was on neighborhood watch, saw this "kid" and called 911. He was told he probably shouldn't continue, but okay, he was curious to see what this "kid" was up to. After a bit of time, he headed back to his truck and was attacked by this "kid" who was bigger than Z from what I understand, was hit in the nose and had his head bashed a few times on the cement (which pictures were just released with this evidence). So, why did the "kid" confront Zimmerman? Why did the kid punch Zimmerman in the nose? I guess when you are getting the shiite kicked out of you, you can't defend yourself. If he thought his life was being threatened by getting his skull crushed, which I'm sure he did feel that was happening, and the kid was also reaching for his gun, he feared for his life and had a right to protect himself. What's the issue here?
ninainMA| 4.21.12 @ 12:40PM
Oh wait....I get it...Martin was black and Zimmerman is the new "white" Hispanic! Gocthya!
In the meantime, in other news, 5 black men rape, torture and murder two innocent white people in Knoxville and yet...hardly a peep about that!
PolishKnight| 4.19.12 @ 11:01AM
Let's turn this around and look at the number one complaint of race hustlers in the states: Racial profiling. Isn't a policeman stopping a black suspect matching a description (including the suspect being black) and questioning him also the way the system is "supposed to work?"
I have been stopped twice for reasons that were in no way criminal but suspicious to the police: I was walking home at 1:30AM on an empty suburban street (coming home from a 2nd shift) and in another stopped by police on the freeway while doing nothing wrong (my car matched that of a bank robber.)
The police detained me in both cases, had me empty my pockets, and questioned me for 10 minutes.
Will this get Obama votes? Not really. How many liberal blacks vote Democrat at the current time? Nearly all of them and this changes nothing. What it MAY do is cause many of Obama's electorate to go around attacking blacks while Obama's Justice Department says "nothing to see here, move along." Nothing creates more conservatives than white liberals getting mugged!
Mike 3/505| 4.19.12 @ 1:50PM
TTThere is no such thing as "racial profiling." It's a made-up term. It's like saying Single, multi-factor analysis....doesn't make sense.
One if by land...| 4.19.12 @ 12:45PM
Shoot yourself Jack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kitty | 4.19.12 @ 7:40AM
And where are our president, our attorney general, and the entire federal law enforcement community in this nightmare? They seem to be on the side of the mobs.
As a matter of fact...
"Little-Known DOJ Cell Watches Trayvon Martin Protests"
"A largely unknown group of Justice Department officials has inserted itself into the local Florida protest movement surrounding the killing of Trayvon Martin, assisting the protestors and attending their meetings and rallies.
While the officials are tasked with preventing racial violence, it appears that in carrying out their duties, they have provided significant assistance to those protesting the killing of Martin, who black, by George Zimmerman, who is half white and half Hispanic."
Kitty | 4.19.12 @ 8:10AM
Ooops, here's the URL: http://www.whitehousedossier.c.....-protests/
Not Special Ops Bill| 4.19.12 @ 12:23PM
"I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."
Dr. X| 4.19.12 @ 7:45AM
Trebach" says government officials and the media made "blunder after blunder" in the Trayvon case. He's wrong. "Blunder" assumes that they were acting with incompetence. They weren't; they were acting with anti-white malice. The entire thing has been deliberately orchestrated -- just like the Tawana Brawley incident was. It's just that this time, the POTUS is part of the scam.
Conservatives need to over this "we need to get past racism" crap. The Left WANTS as much racial hostility as they can generate. It's part of the Alinsky community-organizing tactics to deliberately gin up disaffection. It's part of the Cloward-Piven strategy to get the system to crash.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 4.19.12 @ 8:53AM
Perfect.
Clint| 4.19.12 @ 7:56AM
Axelrod Played The Race Card In The John Street Versus Sam Katz Philadelphia Mayoral Race.
Jack London| 4.19.12 @ 8:01AM
This is a contemptuous article that makes no mention of Trayvon Martin's parents and their efforts to get answers to what happened to their son. I guarantee that if this were Trebach's son he wouldn't have taken the behavior of Sanford police lying down.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 4.19.12 @ 9:19AM
The truth is always held in contempt by the left.
Mike W| 4.19.12 @ 9:36AM
The "truth" for Martin's parents was in the police report and reports from investigating agencies. The parents didn't like the truth which showed their little darling in a less than positive light and persuaded a shamefully complicit media into spewing their version of the truth.
Magnifying Glass| 4.19.12 @ 12:16PM
"TRAY-von was a good boy".
Just ask his momma.
Yup, his parents didn't like that TRAY-von had been singled out at school, amongst all the other petty thieves and amateur dope-dealers for being black.
Yes....we have a "broken society".
It's time that cracker, straight-A, cardigan-wearing students get suspended from school because they need to see "fairness" and "equality" in all things. After all, THEY'RE the problem. They make all the "regular folks" look bad by being so good-grade-getting and so well-behaved and respectful to the adults.
I can see it, why can't anyone else?
(sarc)
Let's talk truth| 4.19.12 @ 12:55PM
Right...the parents. Oh?! Those parents! The parents who are split up with dad banging someone else right now, knowing full well that Trayvone is a screw up because the "parents" are screw ups.
How often does a real dad let his son get suspended from high school before kicking that son's ass (very vigorously lovingly of course!) all over the county?
If my son is twice suspended from school, there are no cell phone privileges, there is no being out, no going shopping on one's own, there is no running around the neighborhood, there is no talking to girlfriends on the phones, there is no Twittering, and I am examining with a microscope every relationship that my son has, i.e. gang relationships? Drug seller relationships? I'd be the smartest IT Dad in the nation, examining how and what my son is doing on the family computer in the family room (not a computer in that boy's own room - he's lost his own PC privileges long ago).
Meanwhile during this school suspension said son's ass is inside the house, locked down and hitting the books so that his sorry ass is not behind when the high school principal tells me that my son can return to school.
There's no visiting friends and watching TV basketball.
Just: Chores, eat, sleep, books, study, more chores, more study and repeat.
At 17 a kid is perilously close to high school graduation, no? At 17 that "boy" is about ready to enter the real world. And just how have I prepared him?
As a Dad I'd realize that I am a complete failure and totally responsible for the miscreant and wannabe gangsta that my son is.
Trayvone is a parental failure. He is Exhibit 1.
Trinacria| 4.19.12 @ 3:26PM
The parents? You mean the ones who were so grief stricken by the death of their son that they ran right out and applied to trademark the name "Trayvon"?
In related news, hoodie sales are up in after market trading...
W| 4.19.12 @ 6:00PM
T,
After a child's death many parents immediately rush to a lawyer to file for trademark protection, usually before the funeral . One of the steps in the grieving process. In a diverse multi cultural society we must be tolerant of how others grieve.
Trinacria| 4.19.12 @ 7:21PM
W,
Thank you for the clarification. I can see how the prospect of hundreds of thousands of dollars in souvenier sales might in fact play a substantial role in mitigating the enormous burden of grief. Accordingly, I herewith withdraw my previous statment and pledge to order a souvenier hoodie forthwith.
Thank you, brother, for helping me to see the error of my ways.
Ti ringrazio!
Magnifying Glass| 4.20.12 @ 2:48AM
Please explain the culture connection here. I've never in my life heard of such a thing as trademarking a deceased kid's name.
On the surface, it smacks of the intent to gain financial wealth by the usage of said deceased's name by the networks, newspapers, etc.
How is this "grieving"?
Grieving, from the online dictionary: 2. To mourn or sorrow for: We grieved the death of our pastor.
The Seven Stages of Grief:
1. SHOCK & DENIAL-
You will probably react to learning of the loss with numbed disbelief. You may deny the reality of the loss at some level, in order to avoid the pain. Shock provides emotional protection from being overwhelmed all at once. This may last for weeks.
2. PAIN & GUILT-
As the shock wears off, it is replaced with the suffering of unbelievable pain. Although excruciating and almost unbearable, it is important that you experience the pain fully, and not hide it, avoid it or escape from it with alcohol or drugs.
You may have guilty feelings or remorse over things you did or didn't do with your loved one. Life feels chaotic and scary during this phase.
3. ANGER & BARGAINING-
Frustration gives way to anger, and you may lash out and lay unwarranted blame for the death on someone else. Please try to control this, as permanent damage to your relationships may result. This is a time for the release of bottled up emotion.
You may rail against fate, questioning "Why me?" You may also try to bargain in vain with the powers that be for a way out of your despair ("I will never drink again if you just bring him back")
4. "DEPRESSION", REFLECTION, LONELINESS-
Just when your friends may think you should be getting on with your life, a long period of sad reflection will likely overtake you. This is a normal stage of grief, so do not be "talked out of it" by well-meaning outsiders. Encouragement from others is not helpful to you during this stage of grieving.
During this time, you finally realize the true magnitude of your loss, and it depresses you. You may isolate yourself on purpose, reflect on things you did with your lost one, and focus on memories of the past. You may sense feelings of emptiness or despair.
5. THE UPWARD TURN-
As you start to adjust to life without your dear one, your life becomes a little calmer and more organized. Your physical symptoms lessen, and your "depression" begins to lift slightly.
6. RECONSTRUCTION & WORKING THROUGH-
As you become more functional, your mind starts working again, and you will find yourself seeking realistic solutions to problems posed by life without your loved one. You will start to work on practical and financial problems and reconstructing yourself and your life without him or her.
7. ACCEPTANCE & HOPE-
During this, the last of the seven stages in this grief model, you learn to accept and deal with the reality of your situation. Acceptance does not necessarily mean instant happiness. Given the pain and turmoil you have experienced, you can never return to the carefree, untroubled YOU that existed before this tragedy. But you will find a way forward.
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None of these stages list, "MAKE BIG BUCKS WITH COPYRIGHTING"
So I submit that your position is pure crap. At best, it's some sub-culture garbage that falls in line with why certain people hold their guns sideways or why dark-tinted windows on a car is a "culture thing". Or speak with a peculiar "urban" slant (Joe Biden's reference to a 'negro dialect').
This is one stereotype I'm very curious about...please explain it so I can happily read about it, laugh my ass off and shake my head at yet another example of human stupidity that is somehow legitimized because so many people don't see it as aberrant behavior.
Todd S| 4.19.12 @ 12:13PM
You are a contemptuous troll. The answer of what happened to their son is known, he attacked Zimmerman like a thug and got what he deserved for his violent assault. His own Mother has said she thinks it was an accident because she knows her son had an out of control attitude problem with criminal tendencies. The prosecutor is a joke like that dirtbag in the Duke lacrosse case.
megapotamus| 4.19.12 @ 1:46PM
The mother did indeed say she thought the shooting was accidental although even Zimmerman has never asserted that. But that was alone. She will never be interviewed alone again. Next day, appearing with Crump she said she was taken "out of context", a term with a vivid phonetic life but no current meaning. Now she repeats the Crumpian indictment; Trayvon was hunted like a deer in the wild by a racist mob of one. She got her mind right fast. The pressure brought on her by the race hustlers is easy to imagine.
Jack London| 4.19.12 @ 2:31PM
How exactly do you know he attacked Zimmerman like a thug? And the mother made it clear that it was an accidental meeting initially, not an accident he was killed.
Todd S| 4.19.12 @ 4:59PM
Maybe because there are actual witnesses to the assault and a report by the police documenting his injuries you fool. Well his mother is telling another story now but she is not exactly an unbiased observer is she? Maybe if she and his Father actually disciplined Trayvon he wouldn't think it was cool to assault people if they are bothering you for whatever reason. The more that comes out about him, the less innocent he becomes. No limit nigga is what he called himself on twitter and he acted like it.
ninainMA| 4.21.12 @ 12:59PM
It's too late for her to recant what she said. I saw the interview and she said she thought the shooting was an accident, not the meeting. What she "meant" to say...blah, blah, blah....depends on what your definition of is is!
loulou| 4.19.12 @ 12:20PM
What about Trayvon's parents?
From what I can tell they seem to be publicity 'hores. If my child were killed, his thugness notwithstanding, I certainly wouldn't be giving press conferences. I'd be grieving in private.
Mark my words, Trayvon's parents are anticipating a big payoff--like winning the mega lottery.
Come to think of it, what DO we know about Trayvon's parents?
Let's talk truth| 4.19.12 @ 12:58PM
Spot on, Loulou. Thank you. Please see my post above.
Parenting means parenting. All day, every day.
Con Chef (NB) | 4.19.12 @ 2:33PM
Hell, his mom has tried to trademark her dead son's name, for G*d's sake! I feel no remorse for people like this. People who say, "My boy was a good boy," when he was anything but. I feel for the parents of the kid who gets good grades & buys it from a stray in a drive-by. I feel for the parents of infants who catch a bullet from home invasions or drive-bys.
I have no pity for the mothers of thugs. If those mothers had raised their kids better, then they wouldn't BE thugs in the first place.
Seek| 4.19.12 @ 4:40PM
The fact that they named their son "Trayvon" in itself should serve as a red flag.
Oldefarte| 4.19.12 @ 12:36PM
No idiot, this editorial is the truth [which you liberals always deny and attempt to cover up]. Martin's parents inability to get answers from police is no different from any other police investigation process, since the police will not give out known facts due to the fact that same has to be presented as evidence in a court of law eventually. Why do all lawyers instruct their clients to KEEP THEIR MOUTHS SHUT AND NOT TALK TO ANYONE, fool? You GD liberals make me want to puke with your typical racism charges in these situations. Want the GD truth? Try going to your local state prison and witness the race-ethnicity of same's inhabitants [and then research the legal cases of same, and you'll find many to be black-on-white crime culprits that are shamefully covered up by the MSM etc for political purposes]. As Jessup stated YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Appleby| 4.19.12 @ 8:03AM
One thing is clear, that gated community needs better gatekeepers. The fortress I lived in in Atlanta had door codes on all entrances including the underground garage, to get in and to get out, that were recorded at the front desk, had 24 hour concierge service manned by football-player sized gentlemen who were known to "throw them out so hard they'd bounce" when unwelcome visitors (generally people trying to sell something door to door) were caught or reported. I saw "Jack", our White bouncer, chase a newpaper peddler down several flights of stairs and toss him out the front door and his product behind him; and when I broke up with a boyfriend who proved to be psychotic, Jack and Riley (the Black bouncer) each took a copy of his photo and assured me that they'd hold him for the cops if he turned up. The place was full of cameras and there was never any doubt as to who did what to whom.
That's what I call a gated community. There should never be the need for private citizens to accost people who didn't belong there. Leave that to the professionals who will follow the law. Either Jack or Riley would have required Treyvon to state his name and where he was going, and would have accompanied him there and seen him inside; if he had declined (profane bluster, most likely) they would have escorted him off the premises firmly and decisively, and that would have been the end of it.
Jack in Wi.| 4.19.12 @ 8:15AM
I agree Appleby. The whole thing was done wrong. Your comments make a lot of sense. Zimmerman didn't know what the hell he was doing.
One if by land...| 4.19.12 @ 12:47PM
Prove your point then Jack. How did Zimmerman NOT know what he was doing? You can't, you weren't there, so shu the fck up. I might just make it my life's mission to find you and introduce myself.
Con Chef (NB) | 4.19.12 @ 2:34PM
Drop me a line when you do:
DTFrankel79@gmail.com
ninainMA| 4.21.12 @ 1:07PM
I guess living in a gated community is the answer then. But, are you locking yourself in or locking them out? What a way to live, behind locked gates! Just what I want to do!
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 4.19.12 @ 9:06AM
Trayvon Martin was never accosted. He accosted someone. Also, Mr. Zimmerman called the police which is what good citizens do.
The wild card here appears to be Trayvon Martin's behavior. The community isn't responsible for that.
loulou| 4.19.12 @ 12:22PM
True, Trayvon was not accosted. Apparently Trayvon attacked Zimmerman as he was returning to his vehicle.
Stormy| 4.19.12 @ 10:11AM
This was not a gated upscale community. It was far from that. The media has incorrectly described what this development was. Jack is wrong. Zimmerman knew what he was doing.
loulou| 4.19.12 @ 12:23PM
Zimmerman was able to spot a thug loitering around the neighborhood. It took Trayvon way too long to get some candy from the 7-11. Am I the only one who's seen the timeline?
LiveFreeOrDie| 4.19.12 @ 12:12PM
"There should never be the need for private citizens to accost people who didn't belong there"
Absolutely right there shouldn't be but unfortunately there is a need. The police don't prevent crime. 99% of the time they arrive after the crime has been committed. If you live in a crime ridden neighborhood I applaud those who stand up and refuse to be victims. Neighborhood watch has long been touted as a wonderful tool against crime. How about now?
loulou| 4.19.12 @ 12:26PM
"There should never be the need for private citizens to accost people who didn't belong there."
Then why are the cops always touting community involvement? And Zimmerman did NOT accost Trayvon. He OBSERVED Trayvon and called 911.
megapotamus| 4.19.12 @ 1:49PM
The residents here earn somewhere south of Bruce Wayne territory and were securing their modest patch as best they could. I'm sure they would have preferred contract armed guards if they could.
TLP| 4.19.12 @ 8:03AM
Please. Can we stop ignoring the 500lb. Gorilla in the room?
He's a White Hating RACIST.
It's okay. I'm all right. I said the OBVIOUS, and I'm still here. He's a White Hating, Jew Hating, Marxist, Muslim, Black Radical.
He's the Son of an African Marxist, Muslim. He wrote a wonderful book about him, even though he ABANDONED young Barack, and his Mother, in favor of a more fulfilling lifestyle of Chasing Whores, and Drinking himself to death.
He got a Loving Tribute. His White Mother? She got nothing. His White Grandparents, who raised him, later on, and sent him to good schools, and took loving care of him? They were "Typical White People" don'tcha know. They didn't get a Book, either.
His White Hating, Jew Hating, America Hating, Pastor, got a Book. I know that this Racist President entitled one of his Books, after one one that Racist POS's Sermons.
He's FRIENDS with the White Hater, Jew Hater, America Hater - Louis Farrakhan. We all know that he used to go to the Bigotted N*gger's Rallies. That's right. I said it. I said it because it's True. If he can call me a HONKEY, and a WHITE DEVIL, and they can Threaten to MURDER WHTES, and PINKS, and CRACKERS with impunity? Then I can him the N*GGER that he is. Fck him. I'm sick of the double standard.
TLP| 4.19.12 @ 8:50AM
He's got that Racist POS Sharpton, as his Liason to the Black Community, but only when he's not busy looking for Jews, with his Black Mob, or holding Racist Rallies in Florida, to protest the Statistical Anomoly of a Black Teen being shot by someone other than another Black Teen. We have a situation in Obama' Amerika, where the Inner Cities of this once great Country, have become Third World NO GO Zones, like Calcutta,Rio, or Londonistan. (We would have also accepted: Anywhere in Egypt, Libya, or the Open Sewer where the Palestinians strap the bombs on their own kids.)
In Obama's Amerika, Blacks kill other Blacks, in numbers that the Klan could only Dream of, and not one of these Black MFers says a peep.
He's got the "Get Outta Jail Free" Black Panthers, on the Payroll. Does ANYONE believe that a WHITE SEPERATIST GROUP could hold similar rallies, threatening to "KILL ALL THE N*GGERS" and get away with it?
He's got that Racist, Thieving POS Eric Holder, who, when he's not stealing Millions from Fannie and Freddie, and he's not Running Guns to Mexican Drug Cartels? He's running a BLACKS ONLY Justice Department where, if you're White, and you have a complaint against one of HIS PEOPLE? Well, you can just GFY, cause he, and his fellow Negros, didn't sign up to prosecute their own kind.
I hope that all you White People who IGNORED this MFer's trail of White Hating Breadcrumbs, are happy. You can finally clear your Concience of all that White Guilt, for all of the Racist Transgressions that you never committed.
Who cares that we're Imploding as a Nation? So what, if we're more Divided than we've ever been? What's the Big Deal about all of our Major Cities becoming Third World Hellholes?
Peggy Noonan, Elliot Spitzer's whore - Kathleen Parker, Mort Zuckerman, and every White Hollywood Douchebag, dumber than dirt Homo, voted for this THING.
The Shining City on the Hill, has become a NIGHTMARE.
Way to go.
Teaghan| 4.19.12 @ 8:54AM
Tim,
Check out the first article at American Thinker this morning. There is some history there you would be interested in on Barry's upbringing. One fact being that Mz Stanley Ann was the one who left Hawaii with baby Barry headed for Seattle without his daddy. It's a great article on his hatred for Ann Romney and women like her.
TLP| 4.19.12 @ 9:36AM
I will check it out, amigo, and ixnay on the imtay.
I'm incognito, don'tcha know.
This is AMERIKA, now, and we need not fear the phone call at 3:00 am.
There won't be one.
It'll be a KNOCK ON THE DOOR, just before they kick it in.
Von Mises Jr| 4.19.12 @ 10:28AM
Tim, if I were Hispanic and a citizen of the U.S.A., I would be looking at this incident very differently.
Remember Pastor Niemoller's famous saying "First they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I remained silent, Then they came for the Catholics...."
Well the black leaders, MSM and our rainbow regime immediately labeled Zimmerman as a White "Hispanic." So we know Sharpton and Obama hate whites, then they hate Jews second and Orientals third, and now they have escalated it to Hispanics."
The regime panders to the illegal issue, but they are a convenient ally in the present. Just as the socialist and Islamist formed a temporary alliance until they plan to eventually fight it out amongst themselves.
Other than Sotomoyer, what have they done for Hispanics?
TLP| 4.19.12 @ 11:04AM
They hate EVERYBODY.
And, why wouldn't they?
Their "LEADERS" have been keeping them down, while blaming everybody else, for 60 years.
SUBVET| 4.19.12 @ 11:30AM
In my town the blacks are becomming a minority (numbers) and they don't like it. They see those "beeners" getting all the benneys. So now the taco benders are on the "black" list as well.
It's a war zone here and the libs just look the other direction.
Oh.....I forgot the mayor is inciting all this division.....guess what backround he comes from.
Patriotic_Guy| 4.19.12 @ 11:12AM
Von Mises Jr, I read an article about a year ago written by a white teacher in an inner-city 99% black school. In it the teacher detailed the complete lack of respect the students had for each other, any semblance of decorum, and especially disliking whites. However, he also stated that the dislike for whites was NOTHING in comparison for how much they hated Hispanic people. They even stated that if black people took over whites would be given something, but Hispanics would get absolutely nothing from them. I believe that is a factor here - Zimmerman is a combination of the 2 races they (blacks) hate the most. Combine this with the ever-present racial chip they have on their shoulders and we get the explanation for the mob action subverting justice completely vis a vis Zimmerman. As others have noted, Zimmerman is innocent of wrongdoing and being railroaded by racist mob hysteria. This is exactly where Political Correctness has led us. Remember those bastions of Political Correctness, the Nazis? Well, here we are. Blacks are the new Nazis and all the rest of us are the innocent but intensely-hated and persecuted Jews. What can be said about the profound ignorance of a group, 97% of whose members voted for Soetoro? Can anyone point to a stable, successful country anywhere in the world run by a black majority? Can anyone point to a city in America where blacks predominate that isn't a cesspool? Hello? Buhler?? Anyone???
Von Mises Jr| 4.19.12 @ 11:29AM
There are many great and wonderful blacks such as Sowell, Williams, Thomas, Massie, Allan West, J. C. Watts and a Pastor that is part of one of the TEA Parties to which I frequent.
The problem is that Barry, Holder, Not-So Sharpton, Jesse "Shakedown" Jackson and Conyers are not either great or moral. And the black inner-city people gravitate to them.
But I would not categorize any group as all one thing or another. But I concur there is a prevailing attitude that is destructive among the less educated, inner-city black population.
Patriotic_Guy| 4.19.12 @ 11:39AM
Agree about the minority of great black folks like you mentioned. The problem is they are a tiny fraction of the easily-led racist hateful mobs like we see in every big city in America and like we see now in Florida. 97% voting for an America-hating, racist Marxist bent on destroying this country is beyond the pale. They obviously are a clueless mob entirely ruled by their emotions and not reason or logic. There will be terrible race riots the like of which we have never seen in this country both when Zimmerman is freed (assuming he can get fair treatment anywhere in this country) and when Soetoro is voted out.
Moore| 4.19.12 @ 11:58AM
Von Misess, please, before outright extolling J.C. Watts, you need to read J.C. Watts' book. If he has done a second book, I don't know. So I am assuming there is just one book.
It talks about his upbringing in Oklahoma.
I am not so sure that even J.C. Watts gets it. Now maybe he's changed his thinking in the roughly ten years? or so since writing that book.
In the book one sees and hears of a J.C. Watts with others running around with massive and sometimes smaller chips on his shoulder. And, as a reader, one reads what J.C. writes and wonders, "Why's he got the chip on his shoulder? So life was not always peaches & cream growing up as a boy, teen and college kid? That's about the story for 85% of the populace. He moans and complains in various places about a whole lot of nothin'."
It just seems to be ever-so-cool and always prevalent that blacks choose to be disadvantaged in their own minds.
Like they'll be disbarred forever if they don't toe and taunt the "Well, it probably was all due to racism!" line.
I'd give a lot to have a two-three hour sit down with J.C. Watts (having re-read his book in preparation for this) and hit him hard -- and with his own words -- as to why he kept peddling the race card (sometimes just in his own mind, sometimes in word or deed).
Von Mises Jr| 4.19.12 @ 2:05PM
I heard him speak and spoke with him briefly in DC. He seems like a solid conservative to me. He is a small business owner and religious leader.
LiveFreeOrDie| 4.19.12 @ 12:30PM
I spent a portion of my life in Mexico. The population is incredibly racist towards blacks, less-so of whites while asians are mostly accepted. Whenever there was a black person in the group we would be denied rooms at hotels, seats in restaurants and entry to various attractions. When we were "let in" our group would be watched very carefully and very often asked to leave. Racism is alive and well in many countries. For what it's worth during my travels I've found the United States to be the least racist of any country I've been able to observe.
Todd S| 4.19.12 @ 5:02PM
It is rather ironic or twisted you could say that the Black Caucus goes to Cuba to praise the thug dictator Castro when he is a huge racist towards blacks. Stupid is as stupid does.
Skippy| 4.20.12 @ 6:19PM
Mexico is the most racist nation in the western hemisphere.
If you are not a pure Castillian Spaniard you are dogshit, and treated that way.
JmsA| 4.19.12 @ 1:19PM
Hush, Von Mises Jr., lest you awaken them from their self-destructive stupor.
Von Mises Jr| 4.19.12 @ 4:30PM
Someone needs to wake up the Hispanics. Entitlements spending for the black inner-city welfare and benefits to illegals are going to come out of good hard working Hispanics pockets.
I grew up near Portuguese and Cubans, and have a Mexican neighbor. Many fine people and socially conservative.
Ed| 4.19.12 @ 1:11PM
Oh, for God's sake, shut up, TLP.
You make us all look like raving maniacs.
TLP| 4.19.12 @ 6:18PM
I guess the Truth hurts for you.
One if by land...| 4.19.12 @ 12:50PM
Blacks will never feel a loyalty to the country that once enslaved them. Jefferson wrote that and advocated sending them home. He was right. We can't do that now but sadly now it's democrats keeping them as slaves. They don't realize it's THEM enslaving THEMSEVES now.
C Bowen | 4.19.12 @ 8:07AM
All well and good- a fine article, but why are AmSpec writers ignoring the pathetic behavior of Florida Republicans: Allen West, Marc Rubio, the Republican State Governor, and the Republican Prosecutor?
Is their race baiting, siding with the mobs against Zimmerman, not worse then the predictable actions of Obama and company?
LiveFreeOrDie| 4.19.12 @ 12:32PM
Bias? I like AmSpec but I'm under no illusion it's a non-partisan, neutral publication.
Reed| 4.19.12 @ 1:08PM
It reallly is revealing isn't it?
See Marco Rubio can spout words as does Allan West.
But where are they when a large swath of Florida is now under real tension from real race baiters threating to "boot up and suit up?"
Leadership is leadership when it hurts to do so.
Rubio and West and the governor of Florida and Bimbo Bondi are just the typical splineless careerists who'll never rock the boat but wish to rise up the ladder.
C. Bowen. You point is correct. If Florida had real Republicans in the lead there, they'd be both behind the scenes and publically ridding the state of the Black Panther presence/pest, speaking out for the laws of the state, speaking out for the support of the Sanford Police, great lambasting for how the major media handled this (a la NBC) and proclaiming rightly that, up until the story hit Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton level, the Sanford Police Department was handling the case properly.
They'd also say some words about parenting and wayward teens who are serial school offenders on school suspensions.
See, if you gonna LEAD in America, you have to talk TRUTH about family values.
C Bowen| 4.19.12 @ 2:42PM
It seems so straight forward, from a leadership and simple political tactics perspective, but AmSpec writers and Beltway types would rather stay focused on Obama/Holder and Sharpton rather than point out the uncomfortable truths.
Peppermint Tea| 4.19.12 @ 8:51AM
If George Zimmerman is a white Hispanic, then Eric Holder is a white African.
Sabes?
Teaghan| 4.19.12 @ 8:55AM
And obama is a white Kenyan
loulou| 4.19.12 @ 12:30PM
IS he a Kenyan? I wonder. We do know that he's an Indonesian however.
Todd S| 4.19.12 @ 5:04PM
Kenyan because that is where his Dad was from. His step father was Indonesian and he lived there for 4 years where he partook of the local Muslim custom of eating dog. Don't ask me but that is what he said.
kwan| 4.19.12 @ 8:55AM
Is our justice system to be based on laws or howling mobs crying out for blood and retribution? Is prosecutor Angela Corey trying to tell Floridians, if you defend yourself you will go to prison? Legal scholar Alan Dershowitz claims that Corey was irresponsible and reckless for filing a probable cause affidavit that he claims was to thin for a 2nd-degree murder charge. Dershowitz predicted that it would be thrown out by a judge. It's also interesting to note that the New Black Panther Party has named Corey, along with Eric Holder, as the best public figures in office today, since neither has charged anyone for the bounty offered by the NBPP on Zimmerman's head, a clear violation of criminal law as well as Zimmerman's civil rights.
LiveFreeOrDie| 4.19.12 @ 12:33PM
Does Corey get to claim the ten grand??
martin j smith| 4.19.12 @ 8:57AM
This case is already destroyed . There is no way there can be a fair trial almost anywhere in this country.
OregonBuzz| 4.19.12 @ 9:32AM
We might all wish to consider the writings of an educated black man from an earlier era.
"There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs -- partly because they want sympathy, and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs. ... There is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public." -- Booker T. Washington in his 1911 book, My Larger Education
Kind of sums it all up don't you think?
TLP| 4.19.12 @ 9:46AM
Or, we can remember the words of the Black Minister who has a Bastard Child, with a Woman who's not his Wife, No Church, and who got a Budweiser Distributorship for one of his Kids, in a SHAKEDOWN of Anheiser Bush, when he told an assembly of Blacks, some years ago, that when he's walking down the Street, late at night, in the City, and he hears the sound of footsteps behind him, he is RELIEVED when he turns around and sees WHITE PEOPLE, and not BLACKS.
Perhaps somebody could remind him of his own words?
RMarket| 4.19.12 @ 11:40AM
That line from Jesse Jackson needs to be played over and over and over again.
NIGHTLY!
Just like what Jackson said about Obama on TV, while miked up (but unaware that recording was happening) during the closing two months of the 2008 presidential campaign.
I live in a weird, very weird, very bizarre country where a perverted mind and body like that has national prominence.
jay hoenemeyer| 4.19.12 @ 9:49AM
We afre now back to about 1965 in race relations . Some of my best friends are Negroes , but for the rest , Ill lock the car doors and cross the street like my daddy taught me in Newark NJ in 1966 .
albert constantine jr.| 4.19.12 @ 10:25AM
I think that up to this point, I have been supportive of the notion in this case that a deliberate competent transparently accessible investigation and hearing (s) (if necessary) that unearthed and communicated all relevant information to the parties involved and the public at large was the best way to proceed in this case. If federal, state and local law enforcement and governmental apparatuses wish to have any credibility with the largest possible portion of the citizenry, this is absolutely necessary.
Imagine my disappointment when I read the affidavit of probable cause (or Alfred Davis of probable cause, as one jailhouse educated lawyer deemed it). While I cringe to find myself in agreement with Alan Dershowitz, I found myself saying “That’s it?”
Of course, investigators are not required to put all of their evidence in their affidavit, it need only be sufficient. I can’t imagine that the standards for Murder 2nd in Florida are so much lower that the bare bones presented there are adequate. While there are strategic reasons in some cases not to release too much information too soon, this level and type of attention focused in this case calls for the opposite to occur.
I am also loathe to think that there is anything I could ever find in agreement with Eric Holder. Nonetheless, I may be forced to grudgingly admit that he has a point when he refers to America as a nation of cowards on the issue of race. Regarding the publicly available information at this time on the charging document and decision, that seems to be the most charitable explanation.
W| 4.19.12 @ 9:51PM
Albert
In my experience the affidavit of probable cause for an arrest usually contains most of the facts necessary to establish the crime, and the facts known to the investigators. What is your opinion?
As you know, there is noreason to not include the facts because the prosecution has to disclose to the defense all the facts including exculpatory evidence.
I just read the affidavit and it reads like a newspaper account with lots of opinions such as Zimmerman "profiled" Martin, and "assumed" he was going to commit a crime. These are not facts.
The statement of the woman on the phone with Martin. At trial that should not objected as hearsay.
Worst is the statment that Martin's mother identified the voice for help as Martin. Don't they have voice analysis in Florida?
It seems they did not go to a grand jury because they were afraid even a grand jury, which usually does whatever the prosecutor wants, would not indict.
albert constantine jr.| 4.20.12 @ 12:23PM
Occasionally in cases (usually drug or other ongoing conspiracy type matters), some of the P.C. (probable cause) of the arrest warrant might be held back at the arrest or preliminary hearing stage in order to protect an ongoing investigation, or an informant's identity, etc.
This is not that kind of case. Assuming (without knowing) that Florida law requires an act and a state of mind, I was unable to find the mens rea that I believe is required (wicked or depraved indifference) in the affidavit from this case.
Ultimately, though, all evidence is discoverable, including (as you note) exculpatory evidence. While hearsay would not be admissible in trial, I am not sure that it is excluded in all pretrial hearings.
Nevertheless, absent any information about self defense that will likely be affirmatively presented, based on the P.C. in the arrest warrant, I can't see based on the affidavit how a charge higher than manslaughter could have been made.
W| 4.20.12 @ 4:52PM
I agree. In Pa the prosecutor can use hearsay at the preliminary hearing provided he represents to the judge that the declarant is available for trial. The problem here are that the hearsay is the statements of Martin to his friend. The prosecutor will try for some exception to the hearsay rule.
I suspect the prosecutor did a voice analysis if they have Martin's voice on some recording such as his cell phone, and to give them the benefit of the doubt, the test is not conclusive. If the test is not conclusive that will have to be disclosed since it is exculpatory and contradicts the opinion of Martin's mother.
If this case did not have the politics there would be no charge or a plea to involuntary manslaughter.
ncatty| 4.19.12 @ 10:40AM
Zimmerman is a half-Peruvian registered Democrat who shot and killed a 17 year old black male, and now claims self-defense. Why all the fuss?
JmsA| 4.19.12 @ 1:25PM
Because they have to have something to bitch about, and in doing so distract the electorate, as there's a crap storm brewing and they're the ones out to sea, ncatty.
Bill| 4.19.12 @ 10:41AM
Trayvon Martin was a tresspasser, attacked George Zimmerman, Zimmerman acted in self-defence, and that Trayvon Martin got whacked. There was no crime. No big deal!
Nick| 4.19.12 @ 3:15PM
"That nigger lover President Clinton had the pen and vetoed so many good bills passed by the Gingrich-led Congress."
- Written by Bill the Bigot, in the Time for Newt to Do the Honorable Thing thread:
http://spectator.org/archives/.....ent_749403
You're a moron and a racist, Bigot Bill.
GO AWAY!
Bill| 4.19.12 @ 3:40PM
Nick is a fucking moron racist bigot pig.
Nick| 4.19.12 @ 3:56PM
What's the matter Billy the Bigot?
You going to cry?
Con Chef (NB) | 4.19.12 @ 4:18PM
He wants his binky.
Bill| 4.19.12 @ 4:41PM
Nick shit in the carpet.
Con Chef (NB) | 4.19.12 @ 5:06PM
You're so witty, Bill. You must impress yourself & the web-fingered meth heads in the trailerpark daily with your cutting snarkiness.
CforUS| 4.19.12 @ 10:44AM
What's going to happen when the "justice" received for Trayvon is not what the mob is waiting for? You know it's coming. What community will go up in flames? How many innocent truck drivers will have their heads bashed in by bricks just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time? How many stores will be looted and burned in the name of justice and "fairness"? I believe every charge Zimmerman is charged with is unwinnable in any court. It's likely he couldn't even be convicted in a civil court for depriving Trayvon of his civil rights. The jury will likely be split or come in for acquittal. The statements that will come after will be peppered with "racist" this, "racist" that. "Sure, juror #2 was black, but he's an oreo". Any juror that serves if this goes to trial will have to fear for his/her life and safety for years to come. If there was a responsible administration right now we would have a strong effort to calm the situation and remind people we are a society of law and order. Instead we have an administration that seems to be intent on using the "opportunity of this crisis" for political ends. DO NOT DOUBT THIS IS HAPPENING. You will not hear the words "justice was served" or "the legal system has worked" by anyone in the administration after Zimmerman walks free. You will likely get silence from one end and the other will be the angry mob chasing Zimmerman with a rope.
Alhad | 4.19.12 @ 10:52AM
Mr. Trebach has conveniently forgotton to mention that Mr. Zimmerman was charged with the assault on a Policeman in the past and those charges were dropped after he agreed to take on anger managemnet class. If he had a problem with anger in the past, how one day class can help? What conservatives are doing here to portray Mr. Zimmerman as an ideal citizen which he was not and portray Mr. Martin as some out of control boy which he was not. The truth is both were not perfect, but a guy with a gun killed a guy without any weapon.
Patriotic_Guy| 4.19.12 @ 11:30AM
Alhad - you have conveniently forgotten to mention the facts that Travyon sucker-punched Zimmerman,thus initiating the violent confrontation, broke his nose, knocked him to the ground, sat astride him on the ground, pummeled his head on the concrete, spotted Zimmerman's gun, stated "You are going to die tonight", and then tried to take Zimmerman's gun away to murder him (Zimmerman) with it. Those actions are legal grounds to shoot your attacker in all 50 states. Unless of course you are a worthless, evil White-devil White-Hispanic and your attacker is a 17-year-old athletic gangsta wannabe on his 3rd suspension from his 2nd or 3rd school after being kicked out from the other schools for possession of drugs, possession of drug paraphernalia, possession of burglary tools, possession of stolen property and defacing school property. Then of course it is perfectly justifiable to subvert the Rule of Law with a racialist mob action. Right?
Jack London| 4.19.12 @ 2:29PM
And you know the below happened - how, exactly?
"you have conveniently forgotten to mention the facts that Travyon sucker-punched Zimmerman,thus initiating the violent confrontation, broke his nose, knocked him to the ground, sat astride him on the ground, pummeled his head on the concrete, spotted Zimmerman's gun, stated "You are going to die tonight", and then tried to take Zimmerman's gun away to murder him (Zimmerman) with it"
Trinacria| 4.19.12 @ 3:49PM
Well, there's the police report for starters.
Then there are the witness statements (captured in the aforemention report).
Then there is the physical evidence (broken, bloody nose, open wound on the back of the head, grass stains on the back of Mr. Zimmerman's shirt, absence of any similar evidence of confrontation on Mr. Martin).
Then there is the forensic evidence indicating that Mr. Martin was shot from below while sitting astride Mr. Zimmerman.
Yeah, you're right, P-G was clearly just making shit up...
Patriotic_Guy| 4.19.12 @ 4:18PM
Did you read the police and witness reports, Jack?
Troll.
Oldefarte| 4.19.12 @ 4:54PM
As this editorial says: '....While other evidence may appear that will change my mind -- and it is evidence not wild hysterical charges that should rule here -- the current available evidence suggests that in his legal capacity as a neighborhood watch volunteer Zimmerman became concerned that Martin might have been one of the burglars who had been breaking into homes in that neighborhood. The two had some conversation and soon, according to Zimmerman, Martin hit him, knocked him down, and jumped on him. There was a struggle on the ground and Martin tried to get Zimmerman's pistol which was in a holster at his waist. Zimmerman somehow got his gun in his hand. One shot was fired and the young man died. That was indeed a tragedy but the evidence suggests that the shot was fired in self-defense...'
Jack London| 4.19.12 @ 4:57PM
'according to Zimmerman'
Would you take the word of someone who shot your son?
Todd S| 4.19.12 @ 5:09PM
Zimmerman must have punched himself in the face and beat his own head in the ground, that makes alot more sense. Disregard the eyewitness as well, Trayvon's Mom knows exactly what happened. Just minding his own business munching his skittles and for no reason a white Hispanic hunted him down and shot him because he was wearing a hoodie and looked black.
Jack London| 4.19.12 @ 5:23PM
If you are right then the police will have pictures of Zimmerman's injuries, blood from the scene where he was held face down, and full ER documents of a broken nose repair etc. Because like any other American PD, Sanford PD has always does its job properly.
Skippy| 4.20.12 @ 6:25PM
Oops!
They do have the pix.
Pretty graphic video.
Sorry to throw water on your hate.
Sucks to be you. Or Tres Vaughn.
Trinacria| 4.19.12 @ 5:21PM
"Would you take the word of someone who shot your son?"
Assuredly, no. I would, however, rely on eyewitness accounts, forensic evidence, police reports, and common sense.
Jack London| 4.19.12 @ 5:24PM
See my comment above. Do you think Sanford PD is a PD on top of its game?
Nick| 4.19.12 @ 6:20PM
" Do you think Sanford PD is a PD on top of its game?"
Based on what, Jack Moscow?
Jack London| 4.19.12 @ 7:00PM
Seems they didn't do elementary things like bag Zimmerman's clothes or check any calls made on the boy's cellphone. It's no wonder the chief stood down.
Nick| 4.19.12 @ 7:36PM
"Seems"? Seems?!
You have no idea whether, or not, the police did either of those things. You are blinded by your racism, Jack.
Trinacria| 4.19.12 @ 7:37PM
"Seems they didn't do elementary things like bag Zimmerman's clothes or check any calls made on the boy's cellphone. "
Well, Jack, the fact that it "seems to you" that they didn't do these things has no bearing on the question of whether or not they actually did them. It "seems to me" that I'm going to sleep with Penelope Cruz tonight; I'll get back to you tomorrow to let you know how that worked out...
Jack London| 4.19.12 @ 7:52PM
It's reported that they didn't do these and other basic things - it was the Martin's attorney who asked about the cellphone. The point is though that you are all so sure that Sanford PD carried out a CSI level investigation because you are 100% sure they ascertained Zimmerman's innocence. I think you should suspend your judgment.
Nick| 4.19.12 @ 8:34PM
"It's reported that Blah, Blah, Blah..."
Yes, because all of the reports in this case have been sooooo reliable, haven't they, Jack? Give me a break.
" I think you should suspend your judgment."
I have! How many times do I have to type it? Physician, heal thyself.
The police investigation was still on-going before Al Sharpy-sharp and all the other race hustlers got involved.
You have convinced yourself that the police didn't investigate this case because the first time you heard about this case all you heard was, "White man shoots unarmed black teenager."
When you later found out that Mr. Zimmerman was a Hispanic male, you decided that you had invested too much time convicting him to change your mind, now. This is what makes you and all of your lefty buddies racists, Jack.
Trinacria| 4.19.12 @ 8:42PM
Ah, I see; it was REPORTED that these things weren't done. Well, golly damn, Jack; that makes it so (just like it was reported that "little" Trayvon was a sweet, well-behaved, exemplary young man [later shown to be false], or that Mr. Zimmerman sustained no injuries [later shown to be false], or that Mr. Zimmerman offered an unsolicited description to the 911 operator in which he characterized Trayvon as a suspicious black guy [later shown to be based on tape doctored by NBC producer]).
But you keep swinging, Jack; sooner or later you're bound to make contact.
Trinacria| 4.19.12 @ 7:33PM
Well, Jack, I should like to think they are, and absent any evidence to the contrary (no, your school girl longing for incompetence doesn't constitute evidence), I will continue to assume that indeed they are.
In the event that they are not, I'm left only with physical evidence and common sense, neither of which provides any evidence to suggest culpability on the part of Mr. Zimmerman. Read that statement again - it did not say Mr. Zimmerman is innocent - it said that there is as of yet no evidence that would permit me to reach the conclusion that Mr. Zimmerman acted in a manner that violated the law.
By the way, in response to your original inquiry ("Would you take the word of someone who shot your son?"), I rather suspect that if I raised a son who had gold teeth, smoked marijuana, got suspended from school for possession of drugs and stolen property, had a twitter account with the screen name No Limit N***ah that contained acounts of smoking dope, bangin' ho's, and beating up bus drivers, I might very well one day be faced with the prospect of taking the word of someone who shot him. But that's just me...
Jack London| 4.19.12 @ 7:54PM
Sorry but your rabid racism about a black teenager makes you entirely unfit.
Trinacria| 4.19.12 @ 8:43PM
Racism? Really? Point to one statement in the post that cannot be substantiated as true. Just one...
Skippy| 4.20.12 @ 6:26PM
...crickets...
Tyndale| 4.19.12 @ 12:42PM
Alhad,
It is wise for all of us not to believe everything we read. Or make big assumptions based on very little clear information.
You've never met a bad cop? If you haven't then you just stay locked up in your house or apartment all day, every day.
Sometimes to "protect their ass" when they know they've screwed up, a policeman (with partner looking on who know's his police colleague is screwing up but chooses to not intervene) writes up a citation or ticket of some sort.
Just to flaunt that he can.
And it is administrative. Gives the appearance of really doing the job out there on the beat. Maybe even wins that policeman some points for showing great magnanimity out there "on the street," having chosen not to "drop the hammer," showing astute restraint.
In that policeman's mind this is the easy and best sway out. A citation like this will never result in anything because what can you as Joe Citizen really complain about when all you're getting is a mandatory "self-improvement" class.
Maybe Zimmerman had every right to be angry in that previous situation? Maybe the police got it all wrong? Or maybe someone lied about Zimmerman's behavior? Likely: The policeman/men on the scene just figured their best way out of the situation is to assign Zimmerman to a class. It's a token action.
Chris| 4.19.12 @ 11:13AM
The "New Black Panthers" sould be prosecuted as a "Criminal Racketeering Enterprise" in RICO for their "Bounty" as an act of "Domestic Terrorism" in "Aid Of Racketeering" for "Attempted Murder" and "Conspiracy" for same, besides any and ALL HATE CRIMES WHICH FIT THE NARRITIVE ON THAT SCORE, ALL EXPRESSED VOCALLY AND INTENTIONALY IN "INTERSTATE COMMERCE".
MikeBee| 4.19.12 @ 11:19AM
Mr. Trebach,
While you rightly decry the lack of appropriate action from both Obama and Holder, I think that everyone is forgetting that, in these United States, we have the sovereignty of the states. In my mind, the governor of Florida and the Florida Attorney General should be acting to reign in the Black Panthers. Florida is a sovereign state; it has the resources to take care of its own; and, it has laws in place to keep mobs from behaving badly. Not only that, but Florida's governor is Republican. Where the hxll is he?
Reed| 4.19.12 @ 11:33AM
MikeBee, Here, here!
I agree. Florida is larger both in size and popluation that most countries in the world. They have resources aplenty.
Where are governors who actually govern?
The county that Sanford, Fla. sits in has the resources alone to deal with this, maybe some back up from greater Orlando or the surrounding counties if Al Sharpton wants to foment a race riot.
These little issues are not what are to consume the time of our national leadership.
It is the same with that Philadelphia voting station issue where the Black Panthers stood and taunted voters and threatened them. Pennsylvania has capabilities enough to deal with this. Goodness: Philly does.
The William "Billy" Penn city SHOULD HAVE!
These are issues that should be known in the general national press and by Americans who are well read, but dealt with thoroughly at the state or county/municipal level.
Isn't this skewed notion that Washington, D.C. is to have its hand in everything the very anathema we fight against?
loulou| 4.19.12 @ 12:33PM
Frank Rizzo would never have tolerated the New Black Panthers in Philadelphia.
megapotamus| 4.19.12 @ 1:58PM
In Philly there was MOVE which makes the NBPP look like a houseparty. This also was a criminal group but also a commune, kind of like in Waco but in urban settings. No, they were not tolerated but their denouement was somewhat complicated.
loulou| 4.19.12 @ 3:05PM
Wilson Goode, the BLACK mayor, bombed MOVE--and the rest of the block.
Con Chef (NB) | 4.19.12 @ 4:21PM
When I met my wife, who's from Philly, she told me that story. I didn't believe her til I looked it up for myself. They don't seem to play in Philly. And now that Nutter has come out against the "black culture" & told these putzes to pull up their pants & get a job, he's on the "Uncle Tom" list as well.
albert constantine jr.| 4.19.12 @ 5:07PM
Wilson Goode was the mayor of Philadelphia at the time when the Osage Avenue "bombing" occurred, but he was far from "pro-police". If a bombing occurs when Michael Nutter is in office, it will be a more deliberate act.
Trinacria| 4.19.12 @ 3:58PM
Political reality, guys. I detest the action of the BPP as much as the next guy, and it pisses me off to no end that they're accorded carte blanche to operate like a mini mafia (I hasten to note that I've known mafia members, mafia members were friends of mine, and the BPP is assuredly no mafia...). The reality, however, is that there isn't a repbulican governor in the country who would take a chance on lighting the fuse on an issue that might disrupt the Republican nominee's chances in the upcoming election. I don't like it, but I (somewhat) understand the (sad) reality.
Russel| 4.19.12 @ 11:21AM
Wasn't the black ex mayor ( Berry ? . Kicked out for drug use ) who recently said Asian business ' should be run out and replaced with black owned ones ? . Tho I agree w/ Jay up above , I'm up to here with the squeaky wheeled black community . For all intents , all they do is cause trouble and cost a whole lot of $$ . Along comes a like minded administration intent on whipping up discourse amongst races for their own gain . Whatever gains that were made in the civil rights movement are all but gone now , and we have a bomb ready to blow . This latest salvo by the race-baiting Sharpton shows how easy it could be to light the fuse .
Reed| 4.19.12 @ 11:23AM
The author wrote, "Brooding over this entire situation is the obscene level of black crime in America."
Most salient line of the whole piece.
We live in Fantasyland in America. Blacks commit atrocious crimes weekly in cities and boroughs across the nation, we spend $billion$ annually of taxpayers' hard earned money -- with no real results in this area for 35 years.
And everybody looks the other way --- as if this is not our LARGEST NEVER ENDING public safety issue.
Let me tell you hands down -- Richmond, Virginia sucks as a city and as a place to work and live because of ...........black crime.
And we can all name other cities that at the exact same.
It is indeed "obscene."
Louis Jenkins| 4.19.12 @ 11:39AM
Racist this, Racist that. When it comes down to hard tacks, it appears to be "who can incite the biggest crowd to commit to the street?" Well, Sharpton's the man. With his paunch jutting outwards, and his slicked/straightened hair, with a bit of grey (how appropriate), bodyguards all standing around, Sharpton gets the first prize for the biggest protest. Or is it the other way around? Doesn't matter. You may call me a racist for disbelieving Flordia's DoJ crimminal charge. You may call me a racist for condemnation of Trayvon's activities. You may call be a racist for disliking what the new black panthers have done. If and when the time comes, you may call me medevial.
Russel| 4.19.12 @ 12:23PM
Well Reed , never been to Richmond , but I have enjoyed the wonderful community of Compton ( of Maxine Waters fame ) , neighboring Watts . Take my word , if one is of the pale pallor , do NOT go there . The limousine liberals may glorify black culture , but they aren't stoopid enough to drive through it . I doubt even Zero's armored Beast would make it .
Oldefarte| 4.19.12 @ 12:46PM
Great editorial! Between it and TLP's comments, my thoughts are pretty much covered on this subject. I do think that the mindset described is reflective of an attitude of this being justified since it's reparation for slavery in their opinions. Just as in their call that RICH FOLKS SHOULD PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE IN TAXES SINCE SAME IS '''''FAIR''''''. Once again as always, IT'S THE DEMOCRATS, STUPIDS and also the November elections represent the one/only way to essentially deal with this problem. 11/4/08 was an experiment by the American public that went horribly wrong, and sadly/hopefully everyone knows it now. What you're witnessing daily are the definations of HOPE & CHANGE!!!!!!!
POST American| 4.19.12 @ 12:56PM
---STILL MORE capstone directed,
chain-pulling 'die--versions' in this
the 11th hour of the 4 decades underway
CFR---RED China handover, takedown,
TREASON and FINAL EUGENICS OP.
MEANWHILE, one and all should
punch up that latest article from
Eustace Mullins on who---EXACTLY
---owns Hollywood and media, their
families and links. Can someone say
---ROT--child?
----------AGAIN, the deluge is here.
Hurl your TVs and carefully
sequester your surveillance device PCs
--get out of your Rockefeller rotten 'churches'
---close ---and let God himself SEAL
your doors.
As you walk the streets, beyond the pale
of bio-metrics and CCTV keep silent,
make eye contact with kindred souls.
"Two people make a universe."
-D H Lawrence
---And inception is of the moment.
-----STAND WITH ME.
--------------YOU ARE THERE!
-----------------HUAC/ Nuremberg 2012--------------
Bill| 4.19.12 @ 1:07PM
Nobody speaks up whn a white girl is raped by a black man or a white COP is murdered by a black fugitive. DNC is playing the race card.
Nick| 4.19.12 @ 3:19PM
"That nigger lover President Clinton had the pen and vetoed so many good bills passed by the Gingrich-led Congress."
- Written by Bill the Bigot, in the Time for Newt to Do the Honorable Thing thread:
http://spectator.org/archives/.....ent_749403
You're a moron and a racist, Bigot Bill.
GO AWAY!
Bill| 4.19.12 @ 4:41PM
Nick is a racist moron fucking pig liberal.
Nick| 4.19.12 @ 6:16PM
Why don't you cry about it, Billy the Bigot?
Gary| 4.19.12 @ 1:21PM
I am not surprised by the joyous "outrage" of Obama, Sharpton, and the rest of the leftist media. All enjoy thoroughly the chance to exploit race when the so called villain here is a "white hispanic." It is disgusting and let me tell you average people out here are fed up with whites being portrayed as civilization's scourge when blacks kill each other daily to mass indifference. If the races were reversed in this case wanna bet there would be a different take? You know it.
what we have wrought| 4.19.12 @ 1:23PM
I help foreigners who come here to spend several years in high academic research, exchange programs, educational pursuits, and those who come to fill highly skilled needs in our medical community.
Sooner or later in our discussions, and as they branch out and begin to discover through weekend trips the region and America's touristy spots, the discussion turns to safety. Their safety.
It is amazing how quickly these foreigners who know little of America except what glossy brochures, nicely done websites, and Hollywood have told them, it is amazing how quickly they pick up on the real dangers of violent, ugly, very scary black crime.
Bill| 4.19.12 @ 1:28PM
FL will defend its "Right to Bear Arms" law, despite of the politics of race.
Nick| 4.19.12 @ 3:21PM
Go suck some swamp water, Billy the Bigot.
You're a RACIST PIG!
Jack London| 4.19.12 @ 3:23PM
Nick - this place is overrun by racists - he's only one of the more obvious ones. You are one too I'm afraid, just more polite.
Nick| 4.19.12 @ 4:04PM
How in the world am I a racist, Jack Moscow?
It is you, and your lefty friends, who are the racists. You want to railroad a Hispanic male (George Zimmerman) into prison, without knowing any of the facts. While I remain open-minded until I see all the evidence.
In liberal-land, this makes you a racist.
Jack London| 4.19.12 @ 4:59PM
You have zero interest in acknowledging any current experience of racism by black Americans. That makes you a racist.
Con Chef (NB) | 4.19.12 @ 5:11PM
So are YOU a racist as well, Jack, when you fail to recognize the racism that whites suffer at the hands of blacks now? You know? Flash mobs, "crackahs," "white devils," & all that other crap?
Get bent Jack. Take your self loathing white ass back to the Flushington Post where it belongs.
Todd S| 4.19.12 @ 5:14PM
Jackoff,
Why don't you take a stroll in downtown Baltimore away from the stadium (or dozens of other cities run by liberals) at midnight and inform us of your experience. Make sure you have on your I love Obama button where it is easy to see, glow in the dark would be helpful. They might not beat you too severely then.
Trinacria| 4.19.12 @ 5:23PM
And you have no interest in acknowledging the cause of perceived racism.
Jack London| 4.19.12 @ 5:26PM
As I say, you're all the same - you don't think black people suffer from racism, despite the scum like Bill and the others busily posting here.
Todd S| 4.19.12 @ 5:53PM
Guessing you don't want the crap kicked out of you from all the black people suffering from racists like Bill. It is Bill's fault and all conservatives that the black family unit has disintegrated in the aftermath of the "Great Society" and Roe v Wade and youth black unemployment is about 50% under Obama. Liberal politician and voters have no responsibility whatsoever, it is all the fault of racists like Bill.
It has been so hard for Obama as a black man (half black that is) smoking dope and snorting cocaine at Columbia but he got accepted to Harvard Law School because he is such a genius and affirmative action had nothing to do with I am sure. Let us make a deal, lets see the student records and Mitt will show his tax returns. Sound fair?
Con Chef (NB) | 4.19.12 @ 5:54PM
I never said they (blacks) didn't, dumbass. Tell me, though, why is there no indignation on your part for reverse racism? Ever been to Memphis? I lived there. And when the former mayor, "King" Willie Herenton, won his 1st election in '95, I remember him getting on TV to give his victory speech, where he proceeded to say that he'd won, despite all the "white devils" in East Memphis.
Take your self-righteous indignation & jam it up your tuchus, moron.
Oh, & DO TELL where we have re-enactments of "Mississippi Burning" these days?
Trinacria| 4.19.12 @ 7:48PM
"As I say, you're all the same - you don't think black people suffer from racism, despite the scum like Bill and the others busily posting here."
Let's try a thought experiment, shall we, Jack? Suppose your daughter ventured onto an indian reservation and, in the course of passing through, was robbed by a member of the tribe. The following week, passing through the same reservation, she was robbed again by another member of the tribe. The following week, she was attacked by a gang of tribe members who beat her while calling her the white devil and demanding reparations for the acts that were perpetrated by her forefathers. Finally, while walking by the reservation (she had developed a justifiable fear of walking through it), she was attacked and raped by yet another member of the tribe.
Question: Would you counsel your daughter to avoid going near the reservation and refrain from interaction with members of the tribe? Does that make you a racist? Or have you factored empirical evidence into your assessment of how to best ensure self-preservation?
Skippy| 4.20.12 @ 6:44PM
So the entire nation owes the black man a free pass 'cuz Bill is an asshole?
Nick| 4.19.12 @ 6:13PM
I acknowledge ALL forms of racism, when I see it.
Unlike yourself, Jack Moscow.
And, Billy the Bigot is a liberal troll trying to make conservatives look like they're racists. Is he a friend of yours?
Bill| 4.19.12 @ 4:42PM
Nick is a racist moron pig.
Con Chef (NB) | 4.19.12 @ 1:32PM
For TLP:
Some of you saw this yesterday, but I don't think TLP was online. So here it is again for him & all of you who didn't see it. All I want to know is can we clone this guy & if there are more young black men like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....plpp_video
Pearls of Wisdom from JackWI on More Gun Ownership:
"One thing is sure the bunch of pusseys on this site couldn't fight their out of paper bag, just like Zimmerman. Real cops carry billy clubs and tazers to control unruly people. "
This from the proud "live coward." What a load of shit, Jack. But that's nothing new for you. Oh, & not all "real cops" carry tasers, you simpleton. One, some departments can't afford them. Two, some departments don't issue them for the flamability factor when they're used in conjunction with chemical mace.
Memphis (only one of the most dangerous cities in the country) cops don't carry tasers for BOTH of these reasons. Its ok, Jackboot. YOU can negotiate with the home invader who's there to do you & your family harm. The only negotiating I'm doing is racking the slide on my Bennelli Supernova 12 gage & chambering a flechette round. And if someone keeps coming after that, then that's on them.
Pacifist losers like you always end up statistics.
Better tried by 12 than carried by 6.
Con Chef (NB) | 4.19.12 @ 1:38PM
Jackboot Babbles:
"Poor Zimmmerman was a police wantabe who was way out of his depths. He should of just minded his own business and no-one would be dead and no-one in jail."
What a load of tripe. You're no conservative, you phony. It is certainly a citizen's right to keep tabs on their own neighborhoods. Just as its his right to be armed & his right to defend himself. And I FEVERENTLY hope that you live in a world of your own design some day.
"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside... Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them...." ...Thomas Paine
Gerry| 4.19.12 @ 2:06PM
An armed man, with a violent criminal history, fatally shoots an unarmed man - FACT.
Trinacria| 4.19.12 @ 4:34PM
Well, sport, you are partially correct. It is true that an armed mat fatally shot an unarmed man (the violent criminal history is debatable, as Mr. Zimmerman had no prior convictions for feloneous assault). What you fail to recognize in your otherwise brilliant legal analysis is that it is not necessarily illegal for an armed man to shoot an unarmed man.
Unfortunately, one needs considerably more than the single FACT to which you've limited your analysis in order to determine whether or not the act of shooting an unarmed man is illegal. One such fact is whether or not the unarmed man was in the process of becoming armed (by attempting to take the firearm from its owner). Another consideration is whether the unarmed man was sitting astride the armed man, beating him in the face and repeatedly smashing his head into the sidewalk. I realize these pesky little details fail to support your preconceived ideological perspective, but that doesn't make them any less true.
But thanks for insight, Geraldo. We'll get back to you next time we need some indepth legal analysis.
Oldefarte| 4.19.12 @ 4:48PM
Please re-read [or read] this editorial and contemplate its words that '.....While other evidence may appear that will change my mind -- and it is evidence not wild hysterical charges that should rule here -- the current available evidence suggests that in his legal capacity as a neighborhood watch volunteer Zimmerman became concerned that Martin might have been one of the burglars who had been breaking into homes in that neighborhood. The two had some conversation and soon, according to Zimmerman, Martin hit him, knocked him down, and jumped on him. There was a struggle on the ground and Martin tried to get Zimmerman's pistol which was in a holster at his waist. Zimmerman somehow got his gun in his hand. One shot was fired and the young man died. That was indeed a tragedy but the evidence suggests that the shot was fired in self-defense....'!!!!!!
Skippy| 4.20.12 @ 6:52PM
An ill-informed man, with no sense of history, stupidly assumes his prejudices apply in the real world-FACT.
obeara | 4.19.12 @ 2:11PM
What do you mean when you write it will take years for decent black citizens to get over this trauma? I think the scales of fantasy are falling from the eyes of many non-blacks. The dream of MLK was a fantasy. Now it is back to reality. When what is happening to Mr Zimmerman is accepted at all levels of our society, in Florida and the US, it is over.
Buck O'fama| 4.19.12 @ 2:26PM
"Such shameful racial pandering gets votes, lots of them."
I think this time it will cost them more votes than it gains them, especially if the RNC can point out to the average voter the facts that the author highlighted here.
Anthony| 4.19.12 @ 2:44PM
The State's Attorney who put that 4th rate, incompetent arrest affidavit together, probably did it with the the same crayon the Holder Justice Department did their 3 page single space memo to the 5th Circuit on Judicial Review.
Obozo and Holder are calling the shots here on Zimmerman. Obozo and Holder are truly dispicable people, and this is just the beginning of what this campaign season will bring America.
This woman, like Holder, is a total and complete hack. Justice would be a brave judge tossing this pathetic arrest affidavit and telling the State's Attorney to become a 3rd grade teacher, as opposed to a lawyer.
Zimmerman's chances of getting justice are about as slim as Obozo's credentials to be president.
CforUS| 4.19.12 @ 4:28PM
After this is over the Florida States Attorney may find herself in the same boat as the guy that brought charges against the Lacrosse players. Censure by the bar. Bending to the mob never works in the end.
Anthony| 4.19.12 @ 5:30PM
Perhaps, Nifong was deliberately playing fast and loose with the facts and the evidence. He engaged in gross professional misconduct, hence his loss of his law license and a day in jail.
I don't know what this woman is up to, but so far, it looks like she is a total and complete political hack.
steve100| 4.19.12 @ 2:46PM
This website is unique in that they do not censor comments by folks who are aware of the overwhwlming numbers of unreported black on white crimes. Americans have been brainwashed by the Hollywood elites who control our culture. They are brainwashed to believe that being black confers one with an untouchable shield of virtue, heroism and victimhood. When have you ever seen a TV crime drama where the perpetrator of a heinous crime is black. Rather you see only black characters who are the pinnacle of virtue and typically depicted as brilliant brain surgeons or wise and impartial jurists. Despite his outrageous history of enciting murderous mobs and promoting outright lies as in the Duke Lacrosse case and Tawana Brawley case, Al Sharptonn has risen to the glorious position of an NBC culture warrior, and a majority of the American electorate believes the the Rev. Al is a "civil rights leader". All of these enlightened comments are preaching to the choir. The majority of the electorate continues to worship their dear leader and his race hustler attorney general. Unless we take on the media and Hollywood to reverse their control of American culture, the truth in the Trayvon Martin fiasco will never prevail. If the Zimmerman case even results in a hung jury, the hordes will be released into the streets and the ritual looting will prevail to the supporting commentary of NBC, NPR, et al. I refer you to the videos of the Trayvon Martin's high school students rampaging like subhuman animals through a local Walgreens. I also remind you of the firing of John Derbyshire by National review conservatives because he dared to mention the issue of black on white crime.
Buck Ofama| 4.19.12 @ 3:42PM
LOL, who cares, exceptNiggers and amateur "presidents" which can't help but wade into low-level public drama.
Bob S| 4.19.12 @ 4:35PM
The Justice Department is anything but. Look at their "crimes" (normally would raise eyebrows but not in this administration): repeatedly bullying Arizona over immigration reform, bullying Sherriff Joe Arpaio, immediately dismissing any voter ID laws, Fast & Furious, refused to look into voter intimidation by NBPP, refused to look into Zimmerman intimidation by NBPP, and acts as Sharpton's attack dog. And that's not including the rumors of this Justice Department, such as "NWA".
Resist We Much! | 4.19.12 @ 4:42PM
Sympathy For The Devils, Race-Pimps, Grievance-Mongers, & Great, White Guilt-Trippers?
http://predicthistunpredictpas.....pimps.html
"Everyone in the country has heard of Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman but few know the name of Trevor Dooley-a central Florida man who shot and killed a neighbor and is defending himself using Florida’s Stand Your Ground law. The Dooley shooting has a number of similarities with the Zimmerman shooting but has not been the subject of the mainstream media meltdown nor the focus of cries of racism, even though the shooter and the victim were both of different races...."
Resist We Much! | 4.19.12 @ 4:43PM
Picture of the Day: If Obama Had A Son, He Would Not Look Like Trayvon
http://predicthistunpredictpas.....on-he.html
Pat| 4.19.12 @ 5:43PM
This article reads like a form letter published by the “Why Can’t We Be Friends?” brigade – it’s almost surreal in tone. The days of “I Have a Dream” and 600 or so high schools named after Martin Luther King are long past us - we’re into the modern era of “Kill Zimmerman, that dirty Hispanic cracker”.
And Obama’s problem isn’t posing as a leader trying to calm both sides – that’s far beyond both the scope of his abilities and his personal political background. Obama’s problem is rescuing the Hispanic vote without forfeiting a single black vote come November. Obama fervently wishes poor Zimmerman looked more like Obama’s cousins on his white grandmother’s side of the family and less like a refugee from the barrio, then it would be so easy – blame white racism, turn his pit bull Holder loose on the media to peddle racial guilt to the white folks and pronounce this phony injustice a wrap.
Zimmerman’s defense attorney in any resulting trial will certainly emphasize his minority status, pack the gallery with any and all relatives from the “minority” side of the defendant’s family and demand proof that a dues paying member of our nation’s Number 2 minority could ever harbor prejudice against a member of our nation’s Number 1 minority group. What a sensational circus to delight the mainstream media in days to come. All that remains to round out this amusing farce is an Asian-American judge and a female prosecutor – that would be so utterly precious.
The sad lesson taught by this affair is that when a member of one minority group kills a member of another minority group then all Caucasians will be put on notice they can’t hunt down and murder innocent black males using automatic weapons simply because their victim was wearing a cheap hoodie from Target’s and his pants were a little droopy. Justice will prevail and the white majority must acknowledge that truth. Yeah, I don’t understand that lesson either, but it seems to make perfect sense to those frequent victims of mob violence and Jim Crow lynch law living in Detroit these days.
Trinacria| 4.19.12 @ 8:47PM
"“Kill Zimmerman, that dirty Hispanic cracker”."
I believe the politically correct term is "tortilla".
SetOurChildrenFree | 4.19.12 @ 6:02PM
SHAMEFUL is to mild a word for the actions of Obama and Holder. LAWLESS would be more appropriate. Let's hope they pay dearly this November.
Marc Jeric| 4.19.12 @ 7:48PM
No surprise there - both Obama and Holder are marxists-racists engaged in the coming massive vote fraud in November.
Shaboe Delucks| 4.19.12 @ 6:06PM
With that vertical vein in his forehead, Holder looks like a Klingon rat.
Marc Jeric| 4.19.12 @ 7:44PM
The yound 6'-3" hooded gangsta in the making was casing the joint in order to perform another robbery of an empty conodominium whose inhabitants had left for a dinner outside. He has had 3 school suspensions - for vandalism, theft of jewels, and drug dealings; a white fellow would have been already sent to a juvenile jail - but he was black! A clear case of self-defense when an enraged gangsta attacked the much smaller guard with heavy fists and seriously blooded him.
Laura Meritt| 4.19.12 @ 8:33PM
The police closed the case, that was wrong. Now a proper investigation was carried out and both sides can have their day in court.
Laura Meritt| 4.19.12 @ 8:33PM
The police closed the case, that was wrong. Now a proper investigation was carried out and both sides can have their day in court.
Buck Bradley| 4.19.12 @ 9:29PM
Why on earth would anyone expect anything other than virulent anti-white racist from this self-loathing abomination of a president? He is Black Liberation Theologist--i.e., his RELIGION is anti-white racism. Think about that for a minute. We elected as president a man whose RELIGION IS RACISM. Anyone who is surprised at what has happened since is fool.
MattZ| 4.22.12 @ 2:46PM
You know the man is half white and was raised by a white mother is a country that was largely Asian, right?
There's a really good chance that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
POST American| 4.20.12 @ 12:30AM
---Putting former Kissinger aide,
former Harvard-Prince-ton 'innie',
likely Averell Harriman stealth clone
'BAR--Rockefeller' H. Obama, and his
'Fast and Furious' minnions to one side ----
ONE AND ALL! ---CHECK OUT!
the latest RED Ice Radio interview
with JAY WEIDNER on the now emerging
deep, deep, deep connection of capstone
'MAY--SIN--Re' to ISLAM.
It is a mind blower!
Carl Snelling| 4.20.12 @ 11:10AM
I believe BHO and Holder have seriously crossed the line of high crimes and misdemeanors which should issue in a call for impeachment.
MattZ| 4.22.12 @ 2:44PM
Can you list a single example?
Leonard Gilbert| 4.20.12 @ 1:51PM
I see Curley and Larry in the heading photo...Where's Moe?
Patty Kuhner| 4.20.12 @ 1:56PM
Right on, someone actually sees it for what it is.
Thank you.
Leonard Gilbert| 4.20.12 @ 2:06PM
There may have been a crime in Sanford Florida...like George Zimmerman...the "hispanic guy" shooting Trayvon Martin AFTER TM released him and he was standing, but how could it have been racially motivated? Trayvon was wearing a hoodie with the top up and walking away. And, while GZ was trailing TM, he responded to 911 that he was unsure of the race.
Racism...NO. Crime...Probably. If TM was shot by GZ while TM had GZ pinned and while he was banging his head into the concrete....justifiable. If TM released GZ and allowed him to stand, and GZ shot him then in anger and for revenge...murder.
The DA will be able to tell by the powder residue.
The President, the AG, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and all the other black public figures who screamed racism without knowing the facts....well, they are all racists. And even with that, they got it wrong. If Barack Obama is a Black guy that is half white...why is George Zimmerman a White guy that is half Hispanic?
shortnsweet| 4.20.12 @ 5:53PM
I agree totally with your piece; well done. With one exception...the idiots that voted for him in 2008 voted for him without knowing much if anything about him, and many voted for him simply because he was black (or half black), and many of them will do it again, for the same reason.
Leonard Gilbert| 4.20.12 @ 6:22PM
Well, that makes them all racists....including the worker drones at MSNBC and the sellouts at the mainstream media outlets who rubberstamped this person in his run for the Presidency. If you support a person because of their race, you are just as much a racist as if you oppose them because of the color of their skin.
The one I feel sorry for is Barack Obama. He allowed himself to be convinced by the puppeteers that he was actually qualified to do the job....David Axlerod being the head puppeteer....the con artist who would be peddling snake oil curealls off the back of a wagon if it were the 1800's.
Poor Obama...as we draw near to Election Day, he's will be like a goldfish which has jumped out of the fishbowl and is flopping around on the table...waiting for his admirers to pick him up and put him back in the bowl...but, they will have disappeared....
Bill| 4.20.12 @ 7:04PM
Rightly or wrongly, Zimmerman is going to wiggle out of this one because of the Stand Your Ground law, which is about the dumbest law known to man. Judge Terry Lewis of Florida had to let two gangsters go after they shot and killed a 15yo because they could reasonably claim to feel threatened. This is what Judge Lewis had to say about the law: "The law would appear to allow a person to seek out an individual, provoke him into a confrontation, then shoot and kill him if he goes for his gun." He condemned it even as he was forced to apply it.
POST American| 4.20.12 @ 11:56PM
Holder, Oklahoma assistant Attorney General
during the very 11th hour of the ever
more suspect and dubious Oklahmoa City
op ---and the prime presiding figure in
'Fast and Furious'.
Globalism
----capstone EUGENICS
------unaccountable, psychopathic USURY
----------the hijacking of the American republic
When you've had enough---
----------------HUAC/ Nuremberg 2012---------------
MattZ| 4.22.12 @ 2:43PM
Not the Black Panthers! Not all four of them! Somebody do something!
Renate| 4.23.12 @ 10:20PM
treyvon should not have been in the neighborhood. He was suspended from school 200 some miles away. If he hadn't been suspended, he would still be in school and possibly still alive. Zimmerman acted in self defense. He was jumped by Trayvon and Trayvon went for Zimmerman's gun. I would've shot Trayvon too that being the case.
Renate| 4.23.12 @ 10:21PM
If we allow
Zimmerman to get railroaded like this-then America is dead.
Renate| 4.23.12 @ 10:23PM
Carl Snelling-I agree-but no one will move against them-because most of the men in this country are chicken liver.
Gandydancer| 4.24.12 @ 7:06AM
One bit of errata: The story that homicide investigator Chris Sereno wanted to prosecute but was overruled by State Attorney Norman Wolfinger seems to be one of the many media inventions, errors invariably contributing to an anti-Zimmerman narrative, that are so ubquitous in this case. It appears that some media person noticed the word (and code for) "Manslaughter" on the police report, put there for the purpose of CLASSIFICATION because -something- had to be put there, and invented this story of conflict with Wolfinger out of whole cloth. Sereno has in fact been interviewed, and stated that Zimmerman's testimony was the best available evidence for what happened that night. And note that Z was released only two hours after questioning began.