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Go Ahead Conservatives, Be Glum
The only consolation is that the election is not today.
TAMPA — Of course it’s how voters are inclined in October that’s important, not who they say they fancy now. But conservatives are entitled to a little funk over a new Quinnipiac University Poll showing Barack Hussein Obama, our first openly anti-American president, leading the top two contenders for the Republican presidential nomination in the three swing states of Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.
The poll, released yesterday, shows Obama leading Mitt Romney 49 to 42 in Florida, 47 to 41 in Ohio, and 45 to 42 in Pennsylvania. Our apologizer-in-chief leads Rick Santorum by slightly wider margins in each of these states.
The pollsters speculate that an improving (sort of) economy is the likely reason for the improving prospects of the father of Obamacare. A full 90 percent of those polled said they consider the economy “extremely” important” or “very important,” well ahead of issues such as immigration, gas prices, the deficit, women’s health, foreign policy, abortion, gay marriage, the designated hitter, etc. Sixty percent of those polled say they see the economy improving. And for reasons the pollsters did not plumb, though clarity begs for it, they give Obama some credit for this. The relative perkiness of the economy is the only significant change from two months ago, when the same pollsters found Obama and Romney in a statistical tie.
Floridians may not much fancy Obama and his works. By 49 to 47 percent in this poll they say they disapprove of the job he’s doing as president. But the same crowd says by 50 to 47 percent that he deserves to be re-elected. The approval/disapproval numbers are similar in all three states. Only in Pennsylvania do voters say, by 50 to 46 percent, that he doesn’t deserve to be re-elected (though they pick him over real Republican candidates).
Women have largely plighted their troth to the little hustler from Chicago. In this poll they choose him over Romney or Santorum in the three states by margins of between six and 19 percent. (But will he respect them in the morning?) Perhaps it is important after all that a flat broke country provide free birth control pills, condoms, sterilization procedures, sex-change operations, and subscriptions to the Playboy Channel to middle class law school students. (Just so long as we don’t buy them smokes for afterward.)
Apparently O’Barnum’s energy policy of wringing our hands about the Middle East and checking under the bed every night for oil speculators, while at the same time regulating all aspects of domestic fossil fuel industries to within an inch of their lives, is gaining traction. According to this poll, 32 percent of voters in these swing states say oil companies are most to blame for high gas prices. Another 23 percent say other oil producing countries are to blame, while only 16 percent have tumbled to a connection between supply and demand (which law O’Barnum’s Department of Energy, with an assist from his EPA, has repealed). About 60 percent of those polled saw some connection between regulations and high oil prices, though many obviously didn’t connect the final dot back to O’Barnum on regulation.
On the local level, the poll finds that conservative Florida Governor Rick Scott remains marginally more popular than gum disease. By 52 to 36, those polled say they disapprove of the job Scott is doing as governor. In Ohio it’s a wash, where 42 percent say they approve of the job Republican Governor John Kasich is doing, and another 42 percent don’t.
So after three years of a president who has swamped the country in more debt than the entire planet could probably pay off, who has super-sized every aspect of the federal government save the military, which he’s gone about shrinking while using what remains of it for left social engineering, who has truckled to foreign leaders and apologized for America at every opportunity, we still find, at least in this poll, that a majority of voters in center-right Florida believe we should sign up for four more years of this kind of hope and change.
Conservatives have a right to ask themselves, “What will it take?” Has Florida changed so much that socialism and Big Brother at home, along with weakness abroad, are the preferred approaches in the land of sunshine and mildew? (It’s NOT a dry heat here.)
It’s more than seven months until Election Day. That’s at least a hundred lifetimes in politics. Much can and will change between now and then. But even so, conservatives have every right to be glum about the little billet-doux we received yesterday from the folks at Quinnipiac. Those paying the least attention know that without Florida’s 29 electoral votes there’s no way the conservative side wins the presidency. The road to the White House goes right down Interstate-4 from Daytona to St. Petersburg.
Larry Thornberry is a writer in Tampa.
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Jack in Wi.| 3.29.12 @ 7:26AM
Why the hell should we not be glum? We have 2 stiffs like Romney or Obama, as the next President. Boy do we need a real conservative 3rd party. We have been played by the Republican elites every election and have nothing to show for it, but endless war and endless big government.
The American Hitman| 3.29.12 @ 10:39AM
what he said
Gary B| 3.29.12 @ 11:03AM
Ditto.
Apparently, the great pendulim of history will have to swing too far in its current direciton, as it always does, before it swings back toward freedom.
Even though I'll hold my nose and vote for the Establishment's stooge, I certainly understand the sentiments of those who simply want to hurry up and get to the revolution. A second Obama term would do that and a third party would enable it.
Crassus| 3.29.12 @ 11:15AM
I can't believe it. For once Jack hits the nail on the head.
Vern Crisler| 3.29.12 @ 1:14PM
Crassus, Jack is like a broken clock: he's right at least twice a day.
Thornberry says, "Has Florida changed so much that socialism and Big Brother at home, along with weakness abroad, are the preferred approaches in the land of sunshine and mildew?"
The answer is yes. These are the same political whores who voted for Romney over Newt. What else would anyone expect?
Stroker97| 3.29.12 @ 1:41PM
Spot on!
Quartermaster| 3.29.12 @ 5:16PM
John Adams said that our constitution was adequate for the governance of only a moral and religious people. The electorate is now corrupt and spoiled. It's no surprise you get the polls on Scott and Kasich we do.
I fully expect Obama to be re-elected. All the GOP is going to give us is an echo.
aware| 3.29.12 @ 7:50AM
I'd be glum too if I was still a conservative.
Conservatives are so shot through with 5th columnists it's hard to even know what the real core values even are anymore. I think it comes down to beating Democrats even if "our" guy is a bigger Statist.
Maybe someone can enlighten me. Is small government and individual liberty even in the top ten "core values"? I can tell they are far below abortion and military imperialism but have they been knocked out of the top ten positions?
Maybe a local neocon, since they seem to be the "conservative" movement nowadays, can set me straight.
Tim| 3.29.12 @ 8:12AM
The problem is that both the marxist way--Obama--and the Romney hard core corporate structure have a vested interest in making sure your personal liberty is limited.
Personal Liberty does not jive with massive structures that believe controlling the masses is key to their prosperity.
So when you hear many folks say they don't see any difference between Obama and Romney they have a point.
One's on the left and one is on the right but they both want to curtail your liberty and both believe that their form of the collective is what is best for the world.
Personal Liberty and limited Government simply
does not jive with corporate and marxist speak.
Alan| 3.29.12 @ 8:57AM
The first rule of the game in Washington is to preserve the existence of the game after that, there are no rules.
Gary B| 3.29.12 @ 11:07AM
Alan, excellent, concise analysis.
Gary B| 3.29.12 @ 11:10AM
Tim,
Your description of the parties veying for control of the power structure could just as easily be applied to mobsters fighting for control of a powerful crime family. From we taxpayers sit, that's exactly what they're doing.
Unconvinced| 3.29.12 @ 8:37AM
I have a real problem with anyone that bases their take or life, politics, election results, etc. on Polling.
Please post here directly underneath this comment with JUST 4 short lines if you've honestly been polled by a serious/professional polling outfit on a public policy/politics issue in the last 3 years.
Line 1 -- The overall topic.
Line 2 -- The month/year of this poll
Line 3 - Who was doing the poll
Line 4 -- How you were asked (phone, in person, email survey)
Until I actually meet real fellow Americans who've been polled, I don't for one second believe most polls. (the poll numbers just look "reasonable," I really believe that they are just fabricated.) I seriously have no friends, work colleagues, neighbors, or relatives that have been polled -- and I ask this question often (if you knew me, you'd be tired of me asking)
So please post factually if you've been polled in the last three years. Thanks.
ncatty| 3.29.12 @ 10:53AM
I have not been polled. My question is are the people who were polled "likely voters" or just "voters"?
Brian Mc| 3.29.12 @ 5:11PM
I had a poller ask me once whether I was for choice. When I answered that I was pro-life, they hung up. Makes me wonder what the rest of the questions were.
Tom near Boston| 3.29.12 @ 3:10PM
I was called by Rasmussen during the Scott Brown-Marsha Marsh Coakley special election in January of 2010. That's it.
BTW, yes Brown has disappointed, but I won't hold my nose when I vote for him again. Living in this socialist hellhole, my sniffer is pretty callused by now. I only hold my nose when driving through Cambridge or past the Boston Globe HQ.
albert constantine jr.| 3.29.12 @ 6:24PM
I was polled in the 2010 Castle- O'Donnell primary, and a few times in 2008 and 2004.
Stammon| 3.29.12 @ 10:06PM
Gallup called my house 2 weeks ago. But they wanted to talk to the person of voting age who had the nearest birthday. That was my 19 year old valedictorian daughter, currently pursuing a chemistry degree at Notre Dame. They might be surprised, she thinks Obama is a little like Santa Claus, nice to believe in but not real. Her nickname as a child was Stalin. Not for any ideology, but because she crushed anything in her way.
Occam's Tool| 4.2.12 @ 2:18PM
I get routinely polled by the Heritage Foundation, AIPAC, a zillion MD polling agencies, and The Republican National Senatorial Commitee. That being said, Rasmussen has not yet called me, that I know of.
Clint| 3.29.12 @ 8:47AM
The Stupid Party Serves Up McCain Redux.
The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To An Open Convention.
Bobloblaw| 3.29.12 @ 9:20AM
I noticed you keep moving the bar for yourself and the paultards. First it was "Tea Party rebellion head to Iowa" Then "Tea Party rebellion heads to NH" then "Tea party rebellion head south" When your candidate fails to win, you simply move the bar one more time.
Clint| 3.29.12 @ 3:42PM
Israel Firster Smear Bund BobbyblowBibi, We Win When We Stop The Ruling Elites' RINO-CINO Fop Frontman, Mittens Romney,
The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To An Open Convention.
Occam's Tool| 4.2.12 @ 2:19PM
What is it that you dislike about Bibi so much, Clint? Is it that he fought for his country for an elite unit? Or that he's a political Conservative who has turned Israel into an economic dynamo? Or is it that he's opposed to child rape?
Bob| 3.29.12 @ 11:43AM
I hope the GOPukes do have a brokered excuse me broke convention and nominate that runt governor from Indiana. We will then dig up the salacious dirt on his cheating wife and run them both through the horse dung.
Mark MacInnis| 3.29.12 @ 9:12AM
Lies, damned lies, and presidential polls.
Conserdude| 3.29.12 @ 9:17AM
Quinnipiac polls are a joke. The GOP is still running a primary. Barring a massive number of new jobs, Obama will lose and lose big. Gas continues to head higher and this president has nothing, zero, to boast of for reelection. Yes, take nothing for granted conservatives and work hard. But Obama is toast in November
Von Mises Jr.| 3.29.12 @ 10:45AM
Absolutely correct. The MSM and their polls are bull$hit.
Let's look at the last couple weeks news cycles:
- We had a 30 year old troll who if she is going to get some, we need to buy the "John" liqour, not condoms. She graduated as a radical "Woman" Studies grad from Columbia and went to a Catholic University on scholarship to change their policies. Is it hard to believe that she is being tied to Pelosi.
- We had a shooting one month ago that has a "White" Hispanic as the perpetrator. And our "White" first black President says the black kid could be his? Or something like that. Does that make the victim a "white" black kid?
What about the two-and-a-half dozen blacks that kill blacks during a weekend in Chicago? Their lives are not important since the shooter was black?
I don't watch the MSM, and if people have any smarts, neither will they.
Vern Crisler| 3.29.12 @ 1:16PM
The flaw in your argument is that you are assuming that voters aren't retards.
Stroker97| 3.29.12 @ 1:55PM
Correct statement and you don't need a poll to back that up. You can tell this by how the uninformed, unconcerned, uninvolved, and sanctimonious voters have thrown the only true conservative under the bus--that being Newt of course!
Von Mises Jr.| 3.29.12 @ 2:26PM
Many are, but they are losing their houses, scared for their jobs if they have one, and prices at the pump and checkout are rising dramatically. Even an ignorant liberal can figure out it ain't working under "Dear Leader."
Bobloblaw| 3.29.12 @ 9:18AM
It's not too tough to understand Larry Thornberry:
Too many conservatives still think it is 1980. Well let me give you a wake up call.
50 years of unrestrained immigration from third world countries has resulted in the white population falling from 90% in 1960 to 65% in 2010.
50 years of NEA indoctrination in the schools not to mention what passes for "free" thought at America's prestigious universities.
America today, is at best, a center left country. In another 10-20 years, it will be a hard left country.
According to Rasmussen, among Millenials, only 33% think capitalism is superior to socialism. But among those over 65, 70% thought capitalism was superior to socialism. The 18-30 year old demographic is full of hard left totalitarian statists.
Reagan Democrats to the Rescue??? Dont count on it. The average Reagan Democrat in 1980, living in MI, OH, WI and PA, was 45 years old. Concerning about inflation and school busing. Today that Reagan Dem, if they are even still alive, is 75 years old and on some type of govt assistance.
The news media is more biased than at anytime in the last 50 years. Even when the media was pulling for Carter in 1980, they thought he was an uninspiring loser.
Common sense economics are beyond the grasp of most ordinary Americans. They see no connection between statist policies and slow economic growth. They care little for the constitution, think the judiciary should be a super legislature and are completely unconcerned about US national security.
The big question isnt will the left win in 2012, they will. The big question will be in 2016, after 8 years of failure. Will the electorate, by then barely 65% white, choose an O'Malley or Cuomo over a Rubio, McDonnell or Walker for President???
For the electorate of 2012, there is no such thing as being too liberal.
Why have we so risked the USA?| 3.29.12 @ 10:24AM
I will agree that we have way too many recent arrivals here. People from India, China (heaps of 'em who aren't going back), Taiwan, Hong Kong, Nigeria, Ghana, Ethiopia, Sudan, Egypt, Pakistan, former Soviet Republics, countless Latinos from Central America. (just wait, the next new wave will be from Indonesia)
Why? Boatloads and airplane loads of these people in the last 30 -35 years. Just three decades.
In less than 3 decades we've fundamentally changed America. (use of "fundamentally" is on purpose)
All of these immigrants are here for three or four things: Better economic life (more cush in their lives), less crime than what they knew back home, our welfare standards, our quotas/affirmative action crap.
They don't come yearning to learn about the arguments that Madison, Paine, Jay, and Jefferson were making. They don't come to learn about the Puritans in New England or the Quakers and Pennsylvania Dutch. They don't come yearing to learn about the very special colony created in Georgia and what that meant.
Nor do they come because they want to be in the land of Billy Sunday, D.L. Moody, or Billy Graham.
They don't come to place in their souls the ideals of a hardworking, self-reliant, civic-minded, Judeo-Christian based people.
They come because life in the slums of Bombay, Peking, Hong Kong, Mexico City, Cairo, and Lagos is putrid, hopeless, and horrid. They come not for love of what America represents, they come solely because America is their 'Get out of Jail Free Card.'
This week I watched a 12 minute YouTube rant from an orphaned South Korean girl (making her YouTube rant at age 24). Her adoptive parents in all likelihood saved her from a life of poverty, no education, and quite possibly forced prostitution starting at age 14 or 15. And her attitude about it as a recent U.S. college graduate 'Asian firster' (American second, although she has US citizenship) is that America sucks.
I'd love to slap her face and show her all the Asian young women her age who are still in the hovels of Asia, young women that will never know driving a car, using a credit card, having one's own bank account, travelling, owning one's own laptop, or even getting necessary immunizations. Owning one's own home? Vacationing?
We're being rolled by Indians and Chinese who don't give a crap about the US. They are now here in the millions, people. MILLIONS. Why are you saying nothing? (Get a clue: They do not share, have, or wish to possess core American values.) Are the Vietnamese in Houston wrapping themselves in the Red, White and Blue? (I don't know, but I do know that they are now a booming population in Houston)
Immigrants don't read about Paul Revere, Davy Crocket, Daniel Boone, Kit Carson, and the Lewis and Clark Expedition. They cannot tell you one fact about Jim Bowie. If it were not for "Google" these immigrants would never know. Even if they Google it just so they can fake an interest or pass a trivia test, they are not interested in the slightest about the Alamo and what that represented. Heck they don't know or read the Laura Ingalls Wilder "Little House" book series. They wouldn't have a clue about the Hardy Boys or Nancy Drew or the values contained in those books. They cannot name just five prominent American books or authors prior to World War II -- and they are not ashamed in the least that they know zip.
The Golden Spike? Oh? Something that happened at a Wall Street business day close?
It is the greatest of mistakes to accept people from, yes, LESSER cultures and expect them to 1) be grateful for your hospitality, 2) be grateful for a new start in a new land full of opportunity, 3) be ready and willing and EAGER to accept our cultural history, norms, standards, understanding of civilization, and moral values. 4) willingly adopt our standards, our values.
Case in point:
Please note the rise of all the Asian massage parlors now ubiquitous in our land. They are chiefly now run and staffed by Chinese. Chinese! Communist Chinese (certainly not Japanese) This is organized crime related; this is the Chinese Mafia. This is human trafficking. This is the international sex trade. And our police are doing nothing. Partly because they must be getting some of these "massages" for looking the other way. Yep. You read it here and you need to note it for yourself: The police are in on the prostitution. The managers of these establishments are Chinese males in their 50's and early 60's who were Communist Chinese just 10 - 15 years ago. Now they are U.S. citizens just like you and me.
This is far more than just pay for sex crime.
So many of these new arrivals of the last 30 years are now voters. And they cannot tell you the difference between the New Deal and a raw deal.
But I can. And America is getting nothing but a raw deal every time one of these "immigrants" now reach American soil.
Philip Johnson| 3.29.12 @ 11:09AM
Many will feel that you've gone too far and painted with too broad of a brush, but there is a lot of truth in what you have said. Compare the current spate of immigrants to those who came here from Europe in the 1930's and '40's. One does have the impression that those latter types were far more interested in integrating into our society than those who arrive now. The Democrats are more than happy to steer these people into the identity politics that marks our increasingly "Balkanized" society.
Russel| 3.29.12 @ 12:06PM
Sadly you're right . The new immigrants could care less about becoming a US citizen and only want a piece of our property and benevolence , then carry on with their own traditions etc .. We're getting all sorts of little countries sprouting on our soil . We can live with Mexican because North America is their home too . But those from half way around the globe ? . Time to say no vacancy .
Mark in LA| 3.29.12 @ 4:45PM
Put Reagan and the rest of the neocons in their place of honor as the main conductors of this train. This was all done to destroy unions and the ability of American workers to take advantage of supposed "shortages" of workers and command higher wages.
Every flood of immigrants has been due to the moneyed in this country trying to keep wages down.
When the whole thing comes crashing down, you might start the lynching there.
Haydn L.| 3.30.12 @ 7:05PM
As a young white adult, I must say that your characterization of Asian Amerians are really far off the mark. My experience has been that Asian Americans always performed well in class and had more respect for "civilization (your words)" than most. And judging by how much progress has been made in Asia in the last 30 years, I'd say that they're a pretty industrious lot. You come off as an old racist man. Dude, I'm sure you're a Klans-man.
Occam's Tool| 4.2.12 @ 2:22PM
I'm sorry...my roommate in Medical School was Taiwanese---he's as Conservative as they come.
My kids are Guatemalan Mayans. They are being raised pro-free enterprise woo-woo Americans, believe me. They think Obama is an idiot.
kurt2088| 3.29.12 @ 11:16AM
Best comment on here today! I wish it wasn't the truth on the state of america, but this comment sadly is the truth!
sestamibi| 3.29.12 @ 6:35PM
Many thanks, Bobloblaw, for saying exactly what I would have said and using the exact same words I would have used to say it--especially your point about the Reagan Democrats, most of whom are no longer with us.
As the nation lurches further and further to the left, their leaders will become even more brazen about their desire and willingness to curtail individual freedom. Hope it then won't be too late for resistance by any means necessary.
Bobloblaw| 3.29.12 @ 7:37PM
I constant hear Limbaugh and Hannity rave about the Reagan Democrats. 50% of them are dead and the of the other 50%, probably 20% have moved to Florida, Arizona and are GOP voters while the remaining 80% still alive still live in MI, WI, OH, PA and think fondly of Reagan but now vote DEM to protect their govt programs
Joellen| 3.29.12 @ 7:53PM
I think one of the most important facts you left out, GOD has almost successfully been taken out of our culture. If the leftist succeed in entirely removing HIM then, yes we will be doomed.
martin j smith| 3.29.12 @ 9:19AM
I am not glum -I am angry. That will motivate me to vote. And believe unlike 2008 the trend is not good for Obama. And BTW when you mention Poll--you do specify what Poll done by whom and how ? Mr Thornberry-I do not believe you.
Mike Hak| 3.29.12 @ 9:38AM
Considering the only Democrat in PA in significant office is Bob (with one 'o' ) Casey, (Clint's man) and all the rest are Republicans of various stripes, I would contest the biased Quinnpiac poll that usually gets it wrong. If the Republican Establishment gets spanked the way they should on April 24th with their RINO nominee going down in flames to a Conservative, Casey should be history too. (Clint won't like that though.)
Clint| 3.29.12 @ 4:27PM
I Never Voted For The Liberal Democrap Joke, Bobby Casey Junior Or His Old Man.
But You Already Knew That,You Serial Sociopathic RINO-CINO Smear Bund BibiBot Buffoon Liar, Little Mickie Hack Job.
The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To An Open Convention.
Indy| 3.29.12 @ 9:39AM
Gas Prices - Up
Food Prices - Up
Unemployment - still high, especially for youth, voters falling out of the labor force
Scandals - Fast and Furious, Solyndra, Gibson Guitar, etc
Cronyism - Solyndra, Beacon, GE, Stimulus Bill, etc.
OWS = Democratic Party - they own it watch what happens this summer, OWS has openly stated they will step up the violence.
Eric Holder - coward who does not uphold the law for all. Ft. Hood - "workplace violence" KSM, no trial yet, Holder wanted civilian trials in NYC
EPA overreach - attacks coal, oil, natural gas, prices skyrocket
ObamaCare - highly unpopular, massive waivers
US Dollar - devaluation, savers crushed
Housing market - still weak
Debt - massive increases, consumer debt high
ME - Rise of the Muslim Brotherhood
The media is in the tank for Obama, we have work to do, I discard polls for reasons other commenters have already stated. Too bad the media spends most of the airtime reporting polls instead of reporting real news.
Bob K.| 3.29.12 @ 10:28AM
Exactly what my local, left wing morning tabloid, owned by a large Northeastern Media Conglomerate said this morning on Page 2.
"POLL: Pennsylvania voters backing Obama."
Citing a Quinnipiac University poll Obama was well ahead of Romney and Santorum in Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida. Polls were based on 1,232 voters in PA. 1,228 in FL. And 1,246 in Ohio! They were conducted March 20 and Monday.
An Assistant Director of the Poll "said Obama is benefiting because voters were feeling better about the economy and the contenders for the Republican presidential nomination regularly beating each other up publicly."
"If the election were held today, Obama would win," he said, "but it is not today, yadda, yadda, yadda,"
3,700 people, plus or minus, have spoken! We are doomed!
gearjammer| 3.29.12 @ 10:29AM
Everywhere you see democrats united for O-singing his praise. We rip ourselves apart. Rubio endorsed Mitt=is that enough ? Nobody even reports record deficeipt. Suburban folks need to have this rubbed in their faces-they wanna chill and avoid the un pleasantness. I mean turn the guns on O and his record not each other. He will sink. Gotta be unified but will we do this ? Riight now Romney is the guy. He is smart and he can persuade on the economic issues. He is pleasant not unpleasant. It matters-do not blame me fot that,
Mike C.| 3.29.12 @ 10:48AM
Surely this can't mean that Captain Electable really isn't so electable after all? Shocked, shocked I say.
gearjammer| 3.29.12 @ 11:10AM
Nor is Cardinal Ricky. Less so actually. Unite and win. The big tent-ha you hard cases can have your own tent. But, we all sit around the campfire and sing happy songs.
Mike C.| 3.29.12 @ 11:59AM
The Cardinal hasn't enjoyed the benefit of the entire party apparatus telling us how eminently electable Romney is, so we should all just shut up. Make no mistake, I'll end up voting for him, but forgive me if I decline singing kumbaya under the giant moderate tent. The celebratory roar from the Obama camp will be way too loud, anyway.
Chuck| 3.29.12 @ 11:24AM
Romney is no Reagan and this election cycle is not a sequel to 1980. The alternative; a brokered convention where the GOP nominates a conservative like Jim DeMint or another conservative. It's the Electoral College stupid! A GOP candidate has to win ALL southern states to win this election. Romney can't in fact Romney can't win his home state(s) take your pick.
Bobloblaw| 3.29.12 @ 11:43AM
I still don't understand why conservatives won't take an introspective look as to how and why we got here??? They continue to act as though Clinton and Obama were some type of abberation. When in fact it was the elections of 2000 and 2004 that were the abberation. GW Bush will have the same historical spot occupied by Woodrow Wilson, a short deviation from the political dominance of the opposition party.
aware| 3.29.12 @ 8:01PM
Maybe after November. You'll find a lot of hostility to frank evaluation of obvious failure around here.
Right now it's "my team, right or wrong" time.
martin j smith| 3.29.12 @ 11:47AM
Another bad article somewhat like Mr Tucker in another topic today.
Brad9883| 3.29.12 @ 12:31PM
Couldn't help but notice that the poll did not break down party affiliation, like most reputable polls do.
Disappointing from Quinnipiac, but not unexpected from the Obama sycophant spinmasters.
Anyone want to hazard a guess as to why respondant party breakdown was left off?
Don't be glum, conservatives. That's EXACTLY what they want you to be!
RCV| 3.29.12 @ 12:32PM
Mr. Thornberry faces reality for once.
Ken| 3.29.12 @ 12:36PM
Obama will be re-elected. You can bank on it. Get ready for four more fun filled years....
POTUS meets his denument| 3.29.12 @ 1:36PM
No, Obama will not be reelected.
It won't be because voters are enamored with the R candidate. It will be that Americans are sick and tired of the do nothing golfer-in-chief who is a scolder-in-chief with a wife as a hypocrite-FLOTUS.
Obama Brackets Sotoero who has deceived the American people with his own birth certificate and Selective Service information....is finished.
Middle America is tired of being told to better inflate their tires while jump shot Barry uses the people's airplane, Air Force One, to jet to campaign fundraisers 11, 13 and 14 months before the election.
We also don't believe that mime about his alleged intelligence. Even the Danes are howling at one journalism TV show put together as Barry's same lines each time B"H"O has hosted foreign heads of state at the White House. Or have you not seen that excellent Danish news team video just yet? It is on YouTube and it is a hit there.
See, Americans know that their U.S. presidents should not need teleprompters when addressing a class of elementary school students.
Just as they know that their president should not be whispering conspiratorially and all buddy-buddy with Russian Medvedevs.
Bill| 3.29.12 @ 2:58PM
I'm a Floridian. as long as I'm alive, liberals cannot win in FL, it ain't gonna happen on my watch.
Nick| 3.30.12 @ 2:03AM
"That nigger lover President Clinton had the pen and vetoed so many good bills passed by the Gingrich-led Congress."
- Written by Bill the Bigot, in the Time for Newt to Do the Honorable Thing thread:
http://spectator.org/archives/.....ent_749403
You're a moron and a racist, Bigot Bill.
GO AWAY!
cicero| 3.29.12 @ 3:12PM
Wonder why the polls are so unintelligible? We like to assume that those being polled are at least a little bit informed. In all likelihood, they could tell you the standings of each team in the NCAA tournament, the batting average of everyone in the National League, the salary cap of each team in the NFL, etc. But ask them one question about fiscal policy, or who their congressperson is, and they would draw a blank. The MSM does not report; Fox lately, on their night time programs spend more time pontificating than informing; and the schools have been a waste of time for decades. That having been said, the folks don't really start paying attention until after the conventions. At that point, if the conservative party (and I use that term relatively) can't make its case, it will be time for a new party.
RJ| 3.29.12 @ 3:28PM
I am not glum about November. In fact, I am confident that Obama will lose. 2008 was his high-water mark when he had no record and seemed to be a breath of fresh air in contrast with a discredited GOP.
Since being elected, Obama has made a bad situation worse. He has: 1) pursued a radical agenda which historical evidence indicates is doomed to failure; 2) alienated not only the opposition, but many of his core supporters; and 3) has been disengaged from the legislative process, with many Congressional Democrats saying that he does not even talk to them.
The GOP candidates are at their weakest due to fighting among themselves for the nomination. The nominee will be much stronger when we unite against Obama. In addition, over the last three years, Obama has attacked many non-Republican groups who will now work against his re-election. He will be defeated. My question is how much will a new government work to restore Constitutionally limited government.
Ron| 3.29.12 @ 4:11PM
The propaganda is even more widespread than everyone assumes...for example, my 16 year old son plays online games on a website here:
http://www.learn4good.com/kids/games.htm
That last week had a banner add stating that "they' needed help stopping the Koch Brothers from eliminating the EPA...
I mean, really, a website for kids' games loaded with that propaganda?
It is going to be even worse by the time we get to the "election."
Ken (Old Texican)| 3.29.12 @ 5:29PM
Thornberry,
perhaps a little projection above?
I am not "glum". I am lacing my combat boots. Yesterday I was sharpening my bayonet.
(metaphorically of course)
Nevertheless I do want to remind you...the most roaring industries in America right now...are guns...and ammunition.
On some gut level millions of here to fore complacent Americans are preparing to fight tyranny.
Oldefarte| 3.29.12 @ 5:45PM
I said before 11/4/08 that this country could not be so stupid as to elected our current POTUS, but guess what? It/they are and they were so! How sad, how pathetic, how depressing! Will there be a redux, a repeat? OMG, there can't be can there? The truly amazing thing is some of [not all] of the commentary here as an indication. Again sad etc. Will America WAKE UP? Are Americans SO BLIND THEY CANNOT SEE? 11/4/12 will be a defining moment for us all, as there is no longer a middle ground to take, and the result will be survival or destruction!!!!!!!!!
Bobloblaw| 3.29.12 @ 7:41PM
You said that before 11-4-2008 because you were still thinking it was 1980 and were unaware of how much this country has changed.
gofer| 3.29.12 @ 5:58PM
This is how pollsters get the results they want: TELL them how to answer! That's why polls which seem out of whack, usually are.
Bloomberg National Poll conducted by Selzer & Company. March 8-11, 2012. N=1,002 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.1.
"Gas prices have been rising in recent weeks because of tensions with Iran and concerns that Middle East supplies could be disrupted. Which of the following do you think is more to blame for price hikes? The Obama administration's energy policies. The oil companies and Middle East nations who are taking advantage of the situation to make more money."
Guess what people chose? 66% chose oil companies and M.E. You know the ones the pollster told you was taking advantage to make more money. Incredible.
Nite| 3.29.12 @ 8:19PM
These polls are are worthless right now for anything but to inflate Obama's ego.
Shaboe Delucks| 3.29.12 @ 6:29PM
Center-right? Define, please. The point being that you don't know what kind of people were surveyed.
john dubose| 3.29.12 @ 6:37PM
All people of whatever ancestry basically have one of two moral internal compasses. Either
1. I want to excell and plan on keeping my share of what I do OR
2. I want to get what I can from everybody else while doing the least possible.
These two world views have been in a struggle for millenia. The next round is in November. It will be close again. Over time a lot of immigrants become Republicans too.
obadiah| 3.29.12 @ 8:14PM
perhaps the electorate does not buy vacuous insults and government of the plutocrats, by the plutocrats and for the plutocrats.
TeaPartyPatriot4ever| 3.29.12 @ 11:29PM
Lessons from history in believing in Polls..
THE 1980 PRE-ELECTION POLLS : A REVIEW OF DISPARATE METHODS AND RESULTS
by Warren J. Mitofsky, CBS News
The performance of the public polls during the general election campaign of 1980 has raised doubts about the capabilities of the pollsters and their survey methodology - doubts which have not been raised during the last seven presidential elections. Since the fifties, the final pre-election polls have not been criticized and have all but taken on an air of infallibility in the minds of the public and the press . Surely, the pollsters had learned all there was to be learned about " how to do it", so there would be no embarrassing episodes like there were in 1948 and 1936.
There has been much speculation about what went wrong with the pre-election polls of 1980. All the major published polls seriously understated Ronald Reagan's margin of victory over Jimmy Carter based mostly on interviewing completed late in the week before election day.
J o h n F. S t a c k s , " W h e r e t h e P o l l s W e n t W r o n g , " T i m e , D e c e m b e r 1 9 8 0 , p p . 2 1 - 2 2 . A l v i n P. S a n o f f , "T h e P e r i l s o f P o l l i n g 1 9 8 0 , "W a s h i n g t o n J o u r n a l i s m R e v i e w , J a n / F e b 1 9 8 1, pp. 32-35.
POST American| 3.30.12 @ 12:26AM
--X-pecting Globalist R-Con. op
'SUB--Mitt ROME-knee'
will NOT be Abel to unseat D-Pop. op
'BAR--Rockefeller' Obama this November.
Meanwhile
"I hear Obama is singing? --that he
wants to be 'cool' again. That's perfect.
That's just the sort of thing a PSYCHOPATH
would want to do."
-Informed Radio interview
SO IT IS
We are living in a psychopathic 'sis-stem',
designed, managed and directed by PSYCHOPATHS
pursuing a psychopathic
'age-enda'.
TRULY
---But always remember! ---OPRAH loves you!
SetOurChildrenFree | 3.30.12 @ 1:17AM
Sorry, Larry but I live in Florida too, and there's no way Obama will win this state again. You fell into a trap of taking the liberal pollsters seriously. Like the media, they have long ago stopped reporting news, and are now intent on making news. They play little tricks like over-sample Democrats and independents, when all the enthusiasm is on the Republican side this time. Obama beat a very poor candidate, John McCain, in 2008 by less than 3% here. Florida's legislature is two thirds Republican and the last time we elected a Democrat governor was pre-Jeb Bush, and I'm convinced they stole that one. Keep your chin up and get people to the polls. We've got a much better candidate this year, particularly if he picks Rubio as VP.
Jane | 3.30.12 @ 9:11PM
It's all about propaganda guys !!
POST American| 3.31.12 @ 12:54AM
--------------------FINAL WORDS-----------------------
RE: 'BAR--Rockefeller' H. Obama
Harvard/Princeton 'innie', mysterious
'benny factors', former Kissinger aide,
dubious paternity, ---dubious maternity!
----indeed, dubious origins generally!
We're betting that steak dinner that one
day, when we're deep into RED Chinese
Globalist receivership management,
it will come out with a smirk, Obama
was our first stealth clone president.
Obama, the stealth clone of Soviet
and RED China Globalist sellout artist
supreme ----AVERELL HARRIMAN.
AGAIN -----check out that footage!
BETCHA!!!
(and btw --we like our sirloins well done)
Brian| 4.1.12 @ 10:41PM
Why would Florida vote Repub. Since taking control they have dramatically increased taxes and spending and even managed to sneak gay adoption thru. They pander to the teachers unions and spit in the face of conservatives.
Don| 4.2.12 @ 6:04AM
Sure! Sure! you know where you can stick a pole!
Occam's Tool| 4.2.12 @ 2:25PM
On November 7, 2012, I will either sell my gold (if Romney is elected) or buy more gold (If Obama is elected). That is how I see the difference. I think Mitt is capable of quite a bit if elected with a Republican Congress with Paul Ryan and Jim DeMint in the lead dog spots.