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The Obama Watch
Obama at AIPAC — Truth in Advertising?
His previous actions and words speak louder than this week’s salesmanship.
President Barack Obama’s address this week to the America Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) was a remarkable performance of salesmanship. But was there truth in advertising?
Striking all the right notes for his audience, President Obama talked up his record of supporting Israel materially, intoning about Israel’s security being non-negotiable, preserving Israel’s qualitative military edge “with more advanced technology — the types of products and systems that only go to our closest friends and allies,” and deploying the Iron Dome missile defense system to protect Israel from incoming missiles from Hamas-controlled Gaza.
Obama also talked up his record supporting Israel diplomatically — “When the [UN-commissioned] Goldstone report [into the 2010 Gaza flotilla clash] unfairly singled out Israel for criticism, we challenged it.… When the [UN-commissioned anti-Semitic] Durban conference was commemorated, we boycotted it.… When Israeli diplomats feared for their lives in Cairo, we intervened to save them.”
And Obama also reassured his audience about Iran’s nuclear weapons program, affirming that neither Israel nor the U.S. can accept Tehran possessing nuclear bombs, that consequently all avenues for preventing this outcome, including military ones, are “on the table,” and that Israel has a “sovereign right to make its own decisions about what is required to meet its security needs.”
All of which emboldened the President to conclude, “I have Israel’s back” and “as you examine my commitment, you don’t just have to count on my words. You can look at my deeds.”
Let’s do so.
Iran:
In April 2009, Vice-President Joseph
Biden strongly
warned Israel of the Administration’s opposition
to any Israeli military action against Iran. The same month,
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
declared that American support in countering the
Iranian nuclear threat was conditional on Israel making concessions
to the Palestinians. Last December, the Chairman of the Joints
Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey, explicitly
opposed an Israeli strike. And if reports are
true, Obama is privately warning Israel of penalties for striking
Iran if he wins reelection. Nothing here about Israel’s “sovereign
right to make it own decisions.”
For a year, Obama prohibited any new U.S. sanctions to stop Iran developing nuclear weapons. Nor has he laid down any red lines beyond which the U.S. will not permit Iran to advance in its quest for nuclear weapons. Worse, since Israel has fewer military capabilities than the U.S., it also has a smaller window of opportunity to deal with Iran’s nuclear program than the U.S — yet Obama is now asking it to waiting several more months for sanction to have an impact. Whatever else may be on “the table” at that point, Israel’s capacity to act might not be among them.
In his AIPAC speech, President Obama took credit for imposing sanctions on Iran’s Central Bank. In fact, as of last week, he has not implemented these sanctions, whose passage through the Congress he tried to slow and whose strength he sought to dilute. Numerous Democrats and Republicans from both the Senate and the House have called for him to actually start enforcing the sanctions they passed and which, at the moment, will not even take effect until June.
Diplomatic
support:
Obama said at AIPAC that “the United States will stand up
against efforts to single Israel out at the United Nations” and
back Israel diplomatically. And his Administration has — on the
occasions cited above. But such support was scarcely evident when
Obama supported the so-called Arab Peace Initiative, which demands
not only an Israeli withdrawal to the vulnerable and serpentine
1949 armistice lines and a Palestinian state throughout the West
Bank, but also the return of all Palestinian refugees and their
millions of descendants to Israel in return for “normalization”
(not “peace”) — and only after Israel does all this.
Nor was it evident in 2010 when, unlike Bill Clinton in 2000 and George W. Bush in 2005, Obama permitted the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) Review Conference statement singling out Israel and insisting it joint the NPT.
Nor was it evident when Obama agreed to a UN June 2010 Security Council statement he could have easily vetoed which “condemned” the “acts” that led to loss of life on the Gaza flotilla, or when he called on CNN’s Larry King show for an investigation into the deaths of “innocent” victims — actually, Hamas supporters who premeditatedly assaulted the Israeli boarding party enforcing the lawful inspection of ships bound for Gaza.
Nor was it evident in February 2011, when Obama sought to condemn Israel in the UN Security Council for the “illegitimacy” of Jewish communities in the West Bank. Only when the Arab states refused to oblige and demanded that they be condemned as “illegal” — a legally baseless assertion — was Obama compelled to veto.
And it was still less evident this February, when, having cut US funding to UNESCO in accordance with US law for it admitting the PA as a sovereign state, Obama sought to continue and in fact increase funding to UNESCO. Indeed, by doing so, he encouraged the PA to press ahead with its policy — unpenalized by Obama — of circumventing negotiations by seeking sovereign recognition by international organizations.
Israeli security
needs:
Obama said at AIPAC that
Israel’s security must be “sacrosanct.” But this was no-where in
evidence when, in October 2010, Obama
offered Mahmoud Abbas’ Palestinian Authority (PA)
that, if it would only remain in talks with Israel after the expiry
of Israel’s unilateral 10-month freeze on Jewish construction in
the West Bank, he would endorse the Palestinian/Arab Peace
Initiative demand that Israel withdraw to the 1949 armistice lines
and establish a Palestinian state.
About the Author
Daniel Mandel is a Fellow in History at Melbourne University and author of H. V. Evatt and the Establishment of Israel: The Undercover Zionist (Routledge, London, 2004). His blog can be found on the History News Network.
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Appleby| 3.8.12 @ 6:28AM
So the upshot of this whole article is that Obama lies.
We knew that.
Timothy L. Pennell| 3.8.12 @ 7:55AM
As far as the STUPID JEWS, here in America? I don't know what to tell ya. The way they Vote, evidently they aren't gonna be satisfied, til they hear the Chain on the Cattle Car being secured by a Lock, and feel the TRAIN start to move, as they head for their new homes, in the Camps. But it's okay, because HARD WORK will set them Free, and I understand that they even have SHOWERS for everyone.
I don't understand why ANYONE who isn't a Flaming Homosexual or a Bull Dyke Lesbo, would vote for a Democrat.
Why would anyone, not a Felon, or an Illegal, or awaiting a Sex Change, vote for a Democrat?
Why would any WHITE PERSON vote for this White Hating POS, in the White House?
Why would any Catholic vote for a Political Party that stand FOR everything that the Church stands against?
Why would any Christian or Jew vote for a Party who seeks to RAM it's Gay/Lesbian/Abortion/Bestiality/Anything Goes/Pro Muslim Agenda, down our throats?
Why would any good American vote for a Party who has shown its CONTEMPT if not its OUTRIGHT HATRED, for our Armed Forces, since the 60's? A Party that supported the SOVIETS, in the Cold War. (Ted Kennedy's letter to Andropov) Supported Castro's Gulags, and still does. Supported Mao and Min, and Pot, right til the end. A Party that supports Mugabe, Noriega and Chavez.
How does anyone pull the lever for a Man who has the Blood of 1,000 innocent people on his hands, from a Gun Running Scheme that put High Powered Automatic Weapons in to the hands of the most RUTHLESS MEN in the Western Hemisphere - The Mexican drug Cartels, in an effort to get Gun Legislation passed, in this country?
Why would any good American vote for a Political Party that is DECIMATING our National Defence: Cutting back our Force Numbers. Cutting back much needed Weapons Systems, like the new 135 Strike Fighter. Mothballing the Airborne Laser. Killing our Missile Defence R&D, and seeking to UNILATERALLY Eliminate all of our Nuclear Warheads, save 300.
To my Jewish Cousins, I can only say this: "Fool me twice."
Except, this time it's not gonna be - "Shame on me". it's gonna be DEATH TO ISRAEL, forever.
How about waking the fck up?
Frank Drackman | 3.8.12 @ 8:25AM
"Stupid Jews"?
Well Genius(I'm being Sarcastic) if you took away The Muslim-in-Chief's Stupid Christian Votes, John McCain would be President.
Now go to your miserable Blue Collar Job before I sick the Mossad on you.
Frank
Timothy L. Pennell| 3.8.12 @ 9:22AM
I'm talking about the STUPID JEWS. The ones that do a Pavlov's Dog, every time they hear the word DEMOCRAT, even though the Democrats Sh*t on them at every turn. Not all of the JEWS, Dumb*ss. Is that what Drackman means, in Hebrew? Does it mean Dumb*ss? Cause, if it doesn't? It should.
Obviously, you belong in the Stupid Column, but for a different reason. Maybe you can get someone to EXPLAIN to you, what I wrote? Maybe if you asked Occam's Tool, he'd tell ya? Maybe if you asked your Nurse? Maybe if you GFY?
Now, why don't you run along, and scribble one of your Stupid Infantile Inanities, and prove my point about the word: Drackman.
Frank Drackman | 3.8.12 @ 9:29AM
Hey Smegma-Breath, at least I have a cool Nome' de Guere, its from an under-appreciated 70's movie "The Chicken Chronicles" which also happened to be Phil Silver's last movie.
Whats "Timothy L.Pennel"? hope that's not your real name, but hey, someone has to get beat up in grade school...
YOU JUST CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!
Your a Homo.
I mean, besides that, it was White Christians who put his Muslim-ness in the Oval Orifice.
If they just wouldn't vote even the prohibition candidate could win.
And I was just joking about the Mossad.
Or maybe not,
Frank
Timothy L. Pennell| 3.8.12 @ 9:49AM
Isn't he great?
Phil Silvers.
That explains a lot.
Idiot.
Frank Drackman | 3.8.12 @ 9:52AM
You probably don't like the 3 Stooges either.
THAT explains a lot,
and that Hamsters stampede if you get anyway near them,
Frank
Timothy L. Pennell| 3.8.12 @ 10:28AM
I don't like you.
You're like that one bad Credit Score, that pulls the other ones down. You're that one Rotten Egg in the Egg Carton that ruins the Omelet. You're that wobbly wheel on the Shopping Court, and that one Ugly Girl, at the table, at the Dance.
You're an Idiot.
But, you already know that, don't you?
Frank Drackman | 3.8.12 @ 10:51AM
Hey, I'd be bitter if I couldn't donate blood too...
Frank "AB-Neg" Drackman
One if by land...| 3.8.12 @ 11:15AM
Come up with something Frank. You are getting destroyed. You never use facts in anything you say. You just troll around on here waiting for an opportunity to make a stupid comment about only things you are roughly familiar with. It's ok though little fella, thinking ain't for everyone. You just sit back and soak in all that you're told, we will handle that crazy thinking business for you. What? I know. It's ok. You're not alone. This country is full of men your age that live in the basement of mom's house. Lots of boys like you that got picked last for everything. Luckily, men like me, apparently Tim, will always be around to pick up the slack and make sure your kind don't fully destroy the male species. Now go get 'em little champion.
Frank Drackman | 3.8.12 @ 11:50AM
Hey "One if by hand"
if you're gonna tell me to go F myself, just do it already, I'm not one of your little boy-toys you have to sweet talk first...
and the last guy that called me "fella" got a balled up fist in his mouth...
OK, I know, "Balled" and "In his Mouth" gets you all excited..
and I don't live in my Mom's basement.
Its pretty nice though, probably worth more than your shitty place.
But I'll let you and Tim get back to picking up each others Slack.
Frank
Ken (Old Texican)| 3.8.12 @ 12:46PM
ISRAEL ISSUES ULTIMATIM TO IRAN
(Please forgive my breaking the thread. crucial!
This week, Israel Prime Minister Netanyahu spoke at the AIPAC assembly in New York. Interestingly enough, it was reported that a clear majority of our Congress was in attendance. (National Review Online has his complete speech on video on their home-page today.)
I sat stunned at his openness and bluntness. He said Israel will simply NOT live under the cloud of Iranian nuclear weapons. I for one believe him absolutely.
Many of you have read my book; “America Alone Said NO!” (amazon.com Kindle store.) Are you all aware that you do not need a Kindle device to read Kindle books? You can download Kindle books directly to your computer in about one minute with simple steps anyone can follow. You just direct the Kindle store to direct the E-book to “kindle for PC”.
The reason I mention my book is that there is an ENORMOUS amount of ACURATE critical research underlying the story THAT CAN PROTECT YOU AND YOURS….and give you a heads up about how things could very well play out.
There is no doubt in my mind that if necessary, Israel will “go it alone” when THEY think it is necessary. Why? Because they have already done so TWICE! (Iraq and Syria).
As a civilian, my best estimate is that Israel can put three hundred attack bombers over Iran on each sortie. That means SIX hundred airplanes per day…minus losses.
When they attack…it will be an all-out effort, and with their extensive spy network in Iran, they KNOW where the key targets are down to the meter.
OH, by the way…it hasn’t been discussed, but Israel has six to ten missile carrying submarines that will be on station off Iran with both conventional and nuclear warheads. Call it a hundred and fifty conventional missiles…on target…I would guess on air-defense suppression so their planes have an easier time.
My best guess is that in the event that Iran launches ONE long range missile towards Israel…then Israel MUST go nuclear to blanket Iran’s long range missile sites. (See, Iran just might have a nuke or two bought or built already.)
My estimate is that those Israeli subs hold perhaps 40 nukes on-board….not city killers…but rather tactical sized warheads.
…OH…and I must mention and EMP option that fries every wire and chip in Iran.
Make no mistake. We are on the eve of a major war!
The effects of that war will come to your house, and mine. (If nothing else, you won’t be able to buy gas to get to work.)
Israel MUST pre-empt to survive as a country. In any case, they KNOW their own casualties will be horrendous. Nevertheless they can survive as a people …but only if they pre-empt.
Some twenty thousand short range missiles are already dialed in against Israel. My personal opinion is that those short-range missiles are being “saved up” to swamp Israel’s missile defense shields for the main event.
Ladies and gentlemen…think it through. If you awoke one night with ten suicidal maniacs on your front lawn…what would YOU do? Do you cringe in your bedroom hiding behind your wife …or do you pre-empt by shot-gunning as many of them as you can to protect your family…though it costs you your life?
Pretty simple isn’t it?
The only question is “when” you open fire…or hide behind your wife and kids.
Al Adab| 3.8.12 @ 2:59PM
Ken:
Good column and good questions. We have been without your full voice for some time here. Hope all is well and good to have (all of) you back.
Hope the company is busy.
Occam's Tool| 3.8.12 @ 10:43AM
Frank---Tim is VERY supportive of Conservative Jewish causes. Yes, stupid Jews---like my mother who is happy a mosque is a few blocks away, and my sister who is going to vote for Obama again.
RCV| 3.8.12 @ 3:51PM
You come with good genes, Occam. The mistake your parents made was sending you off to be educated in the South.
Al Adab| 3.8.12 @ 3:56PM
Sdaly guys,
Stupidity knows no limits when it comes to ethnic or socio-economic groups. 40% of the American public still think this president is doing a good job. It is epidemic and all across the board.
Oldefarte| 3.8.12 @ 1:16PM
BOTH of you are partially accurate and correct, so don't get into a Pi*&ing; contest, okay. 80% of Jews in this country voted for Obama, along with equally substantial percentages of other groups [Christians etc]. It's simply a case of ALL OF US WERE STUPID AND INEPT in not doing more to stop his election or in some cases voting FOR him. We that voted for McCain did not do enough to instruct our families, our co-workers, our church congregants, our neighbors, or work associates, our club associates, etc of the dangers of this man and his prior and current affiliations which were/are capable of bringing down this country financially, culturally, civicly, diplomatically etc. We ALL are therefore to blame, not just Jews etc. We all need to WAKE UP if some of us are still slumbering in MSM BS and propaganda. We noew have one and only one chance left, and that is in NOVEMBER. If we don't get it right this time, this country will cease to exist in the next four years!!!!!!!!!!
RCV| 3.8.12 @ 11:02AM
The reason so many good Americans support the President and the Denmocratic party is because they associate the GOP with bigotted asshats like you, Timothy.
Timothy L. Pennell| 3.8.12 @ 11:45AM
You CANNOT be a Good Person, and Vote for a Democrat. It's just that simple. There is nothing GOOD about the Democrat Party. Just the opposite. And the CREATURE that occupies the Oval Office, who is a FRIEND of Terrorists, and Bigoted, Anti Semitic "Reverends", and who LIES like one would expect from a man who's entire being, is based on a Book, dedicated to Lucifer, and written by a Godless Anarchist, has now made his intentions CLEAR, as to the 1st Amendment, the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, and the BELIEFS of the Christian Church.
You cannot be "GOOD", if your wagon is hitched to this Man. To this Political Party.
This isn't the square root of Pi, we're talking about, here. It's simple Right and Wrong.
You cannot be a Good Person, if you vote for the Party of DEATH and DEBAUCHERY.
Period.
Ken (Old Texican)| 3.8.12 @ 1:07PM
Timothy,
well spoken!
Kultursmog| 3.8.12 @ 11:46PM
Rock on TLP! I can't think of anything useful to add to that. I just wanted to see my name up in the posts here! lol
Reprobate Charlatan Vomitus| 3.8.12 @ 12:39PM
I don't associate with bigoted asshats as a good liberal American for many reasons, as I abhor the conservative tea party based on their sanctimonious conservatism, as I abhor the conservative tea party based on their complete lack of intelligence, as I abhor the conservative tea party based on their complete lack of real Christian love, as I abhor the conservative tea party based on their complete lack of real Christian compassion, as I abhor the conservative tea party based on their espousal of policies that are dangerous and damaging and detrimental to our country right now, as I abhor the conservative tea party based on their espousal of policies that are dangerous and damaging and detrimental to our country's very future, as I abhor the conservative tea party based on their being so bad for America they inevitably will be thrown on the ash heap of history in complete disgrace, as I abhor the conservative tea party based on my lifelong study of the Constitution, as I abhor the conservative tea party based on my lifelong study of the Bible, as I abhor the conservative tea party based on my devout churchgoing real Christianity, as I abhor the conservative tea party based on belonging to a party that at least cares about human beings AFTER they are born, as I abhor the conservative tea party based on my support for Obama from the very beginning for our country, as I abhor the conservative tea party based on my support for Obama right now for our country, as I abhor the conservative tea party based on by support for Obama for our country's very future, on the reasons I abhor the conservative tea party associated with bigoted asshats as a good liberal American matters.
DRed| 3.8.12 @ 12:51PM
After all the contraception discussion this week, Skip, you'd think you would have learned something about periods. . .
DeRp| 3.8.12 @ 2:09PM
**********
DRed:
"But reporting in Jakarta, Indonesia, and Washington D.C., shows the allegations of that Obama attended a madrassa to be false."
"CNN dispatched Senior International Correspondent John Vause to Jakarta to investigate."
"How deeply stupid do you have to be to read that article and conclude that Obama went to a madrassa?"
Reply:
"It is notable that the notable liar emotionally prattles it is extremely stupid to doubt the reporting of CNN and CNN correspondent John Vause on the Muslim school the liar in chief attended."
"It is notable that the CNN correspondent John Vause is the CNN correspondent who in late July last year reported on the U.S. debt, and showed through bar charts how Bush was responsible for $5.070 trillion of this debt, while Obama was responsible for $1.440 trillion of this debt."
DRed:
"derp derp derp"
"You are clearly wrong, you idiot, and you refuse to admit it."
**********
DRed:
"First off, Obama never said that he wanted everyone in America to go to college."
Reply:
"That is why it will be the goal of this administration to ensure that every child has access to a complete and competitive education - from the day they are born to the day they begin their career."
DRed:
"It's less radical sounding when you include all the words."
**********
DRed:
"If you look at the data here it looks like our effective corporate tax rate is basically middle of the pack."
Reply:
"Your link has nothing to do with the U.S. corporate tax rate."
"Your link does not show the corporate tax rates of OECD nations."
"The U.S. corporate tax rate is secondest highest among OECD nations."
"Effective April 1 the U.S. corporate tax rate will be the highest among OECD nations."
DRed:
"Well no, it doesn't show the rates, it shows how much corporations actually pay in taxes as a percentage of gdp."
Reply:
"Your link does not show the corporate taxes paid of the U.S."
"Your link does not show the corporate taxes paid of OECD nations."
DRed:
"Well, if you look at what American corporations pay, as a percentage of gdp, compared to similar countries with lower tax rates you see our corporations pay..."
**********
DRed:
"Here's the inaccurate part. Mr. Ferrara states that the top 1% of income earners paid 40% of federal income taxes in 2007. He uses that to show how unfairly taxed the top 1% are."
Reply:
"You owe Ferrara an apology. He stated in 2007 the top 1% paid 40.4% of income taxes because, try to follow me here, the top 1% paid 40.4% of income taxes in 2007."
"In 2007 the top 1% paid 40.42% of income taxes, while the bottom 95% paid 39.37% of income taxes."
DRed:
"Wake me back up when you can figure out the difference between federal income taxes total tax taxes."
Reply:
"It is notable in the quotation provided that you stated 'federal income taxes' and not 'total tax taxes'."
DRed:
"Heres the inaccurate part. Mr. Ferrara states that the top 1% of income tax earners paid 40% of federal income taxes in 2007. He uses that to show how unfairly taxed the top 1% are. But what he knowingly omits is any other form of tax. When you look at total taxes collected and compare it to income earned, you see that in 2008 the top 1% of income earners took in roughly 22% of the income earned in America. They paid 23% of the total taxes collected."
Reply:
"In 2008 the top 1% earned 20.00% of the nation's total adjusted gross income."
"In 2008 the top 1% paid 38.02% of the nation's income taxes."
DRed:
"Wow. The article claimed that the rich paid a disproportionate share of taxes in America. Taxes. Not federal income taxes. I wasn't saying that the claim that the rich paid 40% of federal income taxes inaccurate. I'm saying that using that to prove that the rich pay a disproportionate share of taxes in America is inaccurate. Why? Because it's not true."
Reply:
"The notable liar himself:
"Wow. The article claimed that the rich paid a disproportionate share of income taxes in America. Taxes. Not federal income taxes. I wasn't saying that the claim that the rich paid 40% of federal income taxes was inaccurate."
"Here's the inaccurate part. Mr. Ferrara states that the top 1% of income earners paid 40% of federal income taxes in 2007."
"I'm saying that using that to prove that the rich pay a disproportionate share of taxes in America is inaccurate. Why? Because it's not true."
It is notable the notable liar time and again ignores:
in 2007 the top 1% paid 40.42% of federal income taxes;
in 2007 the bottom 95% - combined - paid 39.37% of federal income taxes;
in 2007 the top 1% paid more in federal income taxes than the bottom 95% combined"
DRed:
**********
Ken (Old Texican)| 3.8.12 @ 1:10PM
Reprobate,
truly your screen name is appropriate!
Kiss my arse....as you proceed to hell.
RCV| 3.8.12 @ 3:52PM
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz......
RCV| 3.8.12 @ 3:52PM
Last remark to Skip, not to Ken (nice to see you commenting again, sir).
Reprobate Charlatan Vomitus| 3.8.12 @ 4:40PM
I don't associate with bigoted asshats as a good liberal American for many reasons, as I particularly abhor tea party conservatism, as I am a morally unprincipled reprobate, as I am a fraudulent charlatan, as I espouse by vomiting excrement, as Sir Ken appropriately comments is appropriate for a person proceeding to hell appropriately, appropriately an appropriate decription of me as a reprobate charlatan vomitus with the initials appropriately RCV, as I unappropriately associate with Sir Ken in comments as Sir Ken is one of the unappropriate bigoted asshat tea party conservatives a good liberal American like me appropriately abhors, even as Sir Ken appropriately comments the words of a reprobate charlatan vomitus like me are appropriate for a person proceeding to hell appropriately, appropriately words such as these matters:
RCV (10.23.10 @ 9:30pm):
"I abhor sanctimonious conservatism of the tea party brand, an ideology wholly lacking in intelligence or a shred of real Christian love and compassion. Every policy it espouses is dangerous, damaging and detrimental to our country and it's future. It will have a lifespan much like its intellectual forebearer, Know-Nothingism."
RCV (8.8.11 @ 11:19am):
"I practiced constitutional law for 35 years and revere our Constitution"
RCV (10.20.10 @ 6:45pm):
"I am a life-long student of Jefferson and in my 63 years I have read just about every word published by him or about him."
RCV (9.3.11 @ 10:40pm):
"And I do know a lot about Constitutional Law and Christian history and theology, the former having been my profession for over 35 years, and the latter an academic focus of mine since college."
RCV (8.10.11 @ 11:56pm):
"I have spent much of my life reading and studying the Bible as well as Bible scholarship"
RCV (6.4.11 @ 1:31pm):
"For your snide disagreeable little information I'm a devout church-going Christian"
RCV (12.7.10 @ 6:27pm):
"At least I belong to a party that cares about human beings AFTER they're born."
RCV (8.6.11 @ 1:11pm):
"I supported Obama from the beginning."
RCV| 3.8.12 @ 7:50PM
Well said, if I do say so myself.
Reprobate Charlatan Vomitus| 3.8.12 @ 8:42PM
I don't associate with common sense and intelligence, at least, belonging to a party that cares about human beings AFTER they're born, and in light of this I will say myself that what is particularly well said is the part espousing I am a morally unprincipled reprobate, and the part espousing I am a fraudulent charlatan, and the part espousing I am an espouser vomiting excrement, and the part that espousers of my reprobate charlatan vomitus are appropriate for a person proceeding to hell, and these parts that I am clarifying as well said, as I do say they are well said myself, can be well read by reading them above, on well said if I do say so myself and I do say so myself - they are well said - matters.
RCV| 3.8.12 @ 11:31PM
Zzzzzzz....
Kultursmog| 3.8.12 @ 11:53PM
You abhor the tea party for their complete lack of intelligence? Really now? Well they were smart enough to make significant inroads against the more deeply entrenched, longer tenured, and better funded Democrat machine nationwide in 2010. If you look at how many statehouses and governorships were tipped over as a result of Tea Party activity in addition to tipping the House of Representatives to the Republicans, you would be impressed given how stupid we all are. Let's just hope for the Democrats' sakes that we never recruit anyone smart.
The Bruce| 3.9.12 @ 12:35AM
RCV wrote:
"The reason so many good Americans support the President and the Denmocratic party..."
Ah, RCV, you made both a Freudian and Dyslexian slip at the same time. You said, "Denmocratic party." If only you had said, "Demoncratic Party," you'd have been spot on.
I think you're evolving, mentally, RCV. Bravo. It's hard, believe me I know, given your total indoctrination from Kindergarten through High School (and perhaps college).
Was this "slip" a breakthrough for you, or are you simply resorting to your per-programmed talking points, spelling points notwithstanding?
I'm just curious, COMRAD.
RCV| 3.9.12 @ 11:09AM
It's Comrade, Bruce. Everybody makes typos.
Mimi| 3.8.12 @ 12:01PM
Praise God Tim you said the BOLD TRUTH this time! Save this in case one of our candidates wants to borrow it. SAYS IT ALL!
I watched the speech...and my first thought was ...too bad he wasn't telling the truth.! and Too bad he lost all the WORLD'S trust. Once lost , it's rare to regain it back....we are at the " DON'T HEAR" ..." IGNORE" STAGE ! ISRAEL....you are always in our prayers!
Jobe| 3.8.12 @ 1:33PM
Mr. Pennell, I have asked myself these same questions so many times that they now haunt me when I try to sleep at night. Oh, that I could work for the voting public that has supported and embraced obama! If I could only work for them, I would not have to produce. If I could only work for them, I would not have to speak the truth. If I could only work for them, I could bulls__t my way to prosperity without all of that hard work needed to show actual results.
But, alas, it is not to be. I am fated to toil away in obscurity, having to show achievement for my pay. God how I wish I could live in the obama world.
Jack in Wi.| 3.8.12 @ 2:52PM
AIPAC: It is sickening to see the American poliitcal elite kow tow to such a filthy enemy of peace and sanity. This country will never regain it's freedom until we kick out all these foreign lobbies who buy and sell out elites. America First and foremost. Let the world's greatest welfare Queen get along on it's own money and quit sucking from the rest of us.
RCV| 3.8.12 @ 4:27PM
Antisemitism rears its ugly head once again.
Jack in Wi.| 3.8.12 @ 6:30PM
RCV: The greatest Jew who ever lived said. " The Truth will set you free. " AIPAC is the enemy of everything America should stand for. It should be registered as a foreign lobby.
RCV| 3.8.12 @ 7:53PM
It's a group of Americans, Jack, who support the state of Israel. I don't always agree with everything AIPAC espouses, but to say that they are "the enemy of everything America should stand for" is nonsense. America SHOULD stand for the survival and defense of the state of Israel. And I say that as a non-Jewish American.
Oldefarte| 3.8.12 @ 8:44PM
Israel is far from a 'welfare queen' and is the only economy in the entire middle east than can financially support itself by means of its own economic efforts. If not for Israelie businesses, Arabs would be starving to death. Arab countries have one and only one source of state/government revenue----OIL! If we drilled and produced the entirety of our own domestic oil supplies, we'd replace our 2/3 supply of same that is sold to us by these Arab countries and for which we pay exorbetantly inflated prices and cause [as a result of their loss of revenue from their oil sales to us] their financial bankruptcy or at least a huge financial drain. Israel has sufficient and diverse industry revenues to entirely support itself, but the Arab countries [without oil] do not and never will. It's these Arab countries that are 'welfare queens' since our payment of foreign aid to each of them is the very definition of WELFARE and should be immediately stopped. With our military aid to Israel we receive in return a valued ally in the middle east and a valuable beat cop within same. With our foreign aid to these Arab countries, we get instead 9/11/01 as a thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Conservative Not Republican| 3.8.12 @ 9:43AM
Obama is a lying Muslim Communist and we need to kill the Iranians. That is the takeaway from reading all these comments. The Stupid Party strikes again.
Maddox| 3.8.12 @ 1:17PM
Obama is a lying communist who sympathizes with radical Islam and we support Israel's right to defend against the threats from murderous thugs in Iran. There, fixed a stupid comment.
RCV| 3.8.12 @ 7:56PM
Obama is, like many good Americans, a Democrat, and a President who has done more than anyone else to defeat the forces of Al Qaeda and Islamic terrorists, with targeted operations, drone strikes, incursions into Pakistan and Yemen, while bloviating right-wingers just sit around and produce hot air.
Oldefarte| 3.8.12 @ 10:23PM
Has anyone out there in possession of a earlobe touching pair of HIP BOOTS, because the EXCREMENT IS PILING UP!!!!!!!!!
Kultursmog| 3.8.12 @ 11:45PM
What planet is RCV on?? It can't possibly be this one. He has GOT to be from some parallel dimension like on that TV show Fringe. Either that or he's just messing with us. No one who can type in understandable English could possibly be that stupid. I this he's pulling our chains people.
Smog The Operative Word| 3.9.12 @ 9:52AM
Planet Calipelosifeinsteinboxershermansolisleewaxmanwatersmoonbeamfornia
RCV| 3.9.12 @ 11:16AM
No, the universe I'm in is the America that elected, by healthy margin, Barack Obama in 2008, and will reelect him again in 2012 over Willard Romney-whomever. You universe you live in, on the other hand, is the fantasy world that believes our President was born in Kenya, had Bill Ayers write his autobiography, is secretly a Muslim, and communicates with little green aliens from area 666 because he's the antiChrist.
Reprobate Charlatan Vomitus| 3.9.12 @ 12:02PM
I don't associate with bigoted asshats as a good liberal American by a healthy margin who will not live in a fantasy universe of communication and collusion with abhorrent tea partiers and little green aliens from area 666 as in my fantasy universe I have common sense and intelligence on full display for anyone to see matters.
"Maybe with collusion from little green aliens from Area 666?"
[ RCV, 3.3.12, @ 3:29pm, in reply to Marc Jeric ]
"I don't sign silly petitions on scientific matters."
[ RCV, 10.20.10, @ 7:06pm, in reply to the petition, at petitionproject.com, signed by 31,487 scientists, the 31,487 scientists who provide their names, their degrees, their scientific specialties, the peer-reviewed research, 132 references to the peer-reviewed research, who verified the academic and the professional credentials of all 31,487 scientists in response to saboteurs, the 31,487 scientists who debunk manmade global warming, the 31,487 scientists - including Marc Jeric - who signed the petition, the silly petition on scientific matters RCV will not sign, the petition that had RCV signed, would have had 31,488 signatories, 31,487 signatories who are the scientists who provided their names, degrees and scientific specialties, and verified the academic and professional credentials of all 31,487 scientists, and 1 signatory who is a pompous sanctimonious hypocritical idiot, who doesn't associate with bigoted asshats as a good liberal American by a healthy margin who does not live in a fantasy universe of communication and collusion with abhorrent tea partiers and little green aliens from area 666, due to his common sense and intelligence on full display for all to see ]
spike59| 3.8.12 @ 6:38AM
well, he WAS being honest when he said that he has 'Israel's back'
that's where he sticks the knife
John786| 3.8.12 @ 6:39AM
The snapshot of this article goes to show how Israel's friends turn black into white. In the face of Israel's policies to destroy the two state solution it is time the Palestinians turned this into a civil rights movement. No doubt we are all doomed in the end but more so Zionist ideology a relic of the 19th century.
Appleby| 3.8.12 @ 6:51AM
Some say "democracy" (by which they mean Constitutional Republicanism) is an artifact of the 19th century, too.
What's your point?
John786| 3.8.12 @ 7:25AM
Zionism is no more than colonialism followed by the Europeans in the 19th century. Its two centuries out of date. It needs to evolve from its Neanderthal roots.
AIPAC is not helping Israel. It reflects the extreme views of Israel's far right: Lieberman, Netanyahu.
Facts on the ground: has there ever been a worse euphemism for ethnic cleansing. For Israel's supporters it's either two states or one state. The status qua will not last.
Frank Drackman | 3.8.12 @ 8:30AM
Jeezus, Oh Sorry,
Hey-Zeuss, the Monkeys are really rattling the cages today.
IF IT WASNT FOR 19th CENTURY COLONIALISM YOU WOULDNT BE ABLE TO LOOK AT GAYPORN ON AL GORES INTERNETS.
Cause the Indians(Woo-Woo kind) would still be running North America and you'd have to access the Information Super Trail via Smoke Signals.
and I know the Indians, excuse me, Red Skins were here first THEY HAD RESERVATIONS!!!
Ha Ha,
But have you ever BEEN to an Indian Reservation? Its almost as depressing as the RepubicKKKlans chances this fall.
And don't be hatin, I havent voted for a DemoKKKRat since Zell Miller ran in 2000...
Frank
Timothy L. Pennell| 3.8.12 @ 10:13AM
I wonder if the people at MENSA know that Frank Drackman (an obvious former Validictorian at one of the Country's better Institutes of Technology) is posting at TAS?
It would be Criminal if they were to be denied his Intellictual Prowess, and his Fluidity with the English Languaege, and all of its Prose. We are not quallified ot recieve his wisdom.
After all: "Hey-Zues, the Monkees are really rattling the cages today" - "The Indians (Woo-Woo-kind)" - "You're a Homo" - and, of course, something even the Great Bard himself, would have never deigned to utter: "Smegma-Breath".
If Frannk Drackman had been around in the 1800's?
Mark Twain's work might never have seen the light of day.
Frank Drackman | 3.8.12 @ 10:21AM
Hey, how about for one day, only legitimate AMERICAN COMBAT VETERANS can comment on the AMERICAN spectator.
And it's an honor system, and I'll start
Desert Storm, 91' 2d Marine Division,
IT WAS 96 HRS OF HELL!
Seriously, I couldn't jerk off the whole time.
Frank
Timothy L. Pennell| 3.8.12 @ 10:35AM
That doesn't mean you're not a Dumbfck.
I served my Country 1975-79. United States Air Force, stationed at a First Strike Target, at the height of the Cold War.
Go pull that sh*t someplace else..
Frank Drackman | 3.8.12 @ 10:53AM
Wait for it..
"Oohhhh.... Ahhhh........"
75-79? so maybe you were an extra in "Stripes"...
Probably the Homo that was always touchin Francis's "Stuff"...
Oh I'm sorry, Air Farce...
Frank
Occam's Tool| 3.8.12 @ 10:45AM
Frank, Tim---you guys agree 99% of the time! Shoot at John786, who's a pud. I like both of ya, and I hate to see fighting among friends.
Timothy L. Pennell| 3.8.12 @ 11:48AM
We're not friends.
John786| 3.8.12 @ 11:52AM
It seems that there are some decent people in your family mr occam: especially mumsy- very sensible lady. Obviously the gene must have thinned out when it came to you. My sympathy to your family & the good people of newzealend. Out of intrest what kind of Zionist are you: two state, single state, ethnic cleansing type.
Frank Drackman | 3.8.12 @ 11:53AM
Thats like sayin Scarlett Johanssen and King Kong share 99% of the same DNA...
You can have King Kong...
Oldefarte| 3.8.12 @ 1:26PM
OT, you're absolutely correct. TLP and FD are obviously on the same team philosophically and need to stop this pi*&ing; contest [which only benefits the opposition, which hopefully is the radicals within the Democratic Party]. It's...........................THE DEMOCRATS, STUPIDS. Oh and to both of them, I'd be remiss without proclaiming a sincere THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRIOR MILITARY SERVICE TO THIS COUNTRY, TO MY FAMILY AND TO ALL OF US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ken (Old Texican)| 3.8.12 @ 1:12PM
Hi Mohammed 786.
You are wasting your time here. We are informed Americans.
Kiss my pig.
John786| 3.8.12 @ 1:41PM
Kenny the misguided Texan,
I feel sorry for you ken. Another week and still no rapture. But you are right that your president mr netanyahu may bring about some sort of armegedon. Unfortuntely your prophesies are false. The great prophet of Islam Jesus (ISA(pubh)) will return but under different circumstances. And god knows best.
Pigs.....kiss: is that a Freudian slip ken?
Al Adab| 3.8.12 @ 2:55PM
John, my friend:
Following up on your Twelver comments the other day and our pre-millenial Christian friends, have you noted that a missle launch from Iran to Tel Aviv would overfly Megiddo? Just an observation.
Hope you remain well.
John786| 3.8.12 @ 6:44PM
Haji Al Adab,
Hope you are well. As you know I'm opposed to any attack against Iran. And believe a solution within the NPT is the only way forward. And is achievable. Iran has some missiles that can reach Israel but they are pretty unsophisticated. I doubt they will leave the launch pad. The Iranians will fight to their strength. Assymterically. Iran is a very small country in terms of any meaningful power. It continues to surprise me that US/ Israel are going to make such a strategic blunder.
Anthony| 3.8.12 @ 9:37AM
Easy Frank, we must be rationale and measured in our response, besides, there ain't enough virgins to meet the demand.
That said, can anybody learned in the teachings of the Koran tell me what a female Islamist martyr gets as her reward?
This must pose quite the religious dilemma.
If I was a female Islamist jihdist who sacrificed all for the cause, my reward had better match that of the guys. An eternity's subscription to "Playgirl Magazine" would not do the trick, either.
Frank Drackman | 3.8.12 @ 9:55AM
Whens the last time a Japanese flew a plane into a Tall Building?
In fact when's the last time the Japanese did anything violent, except for making that awful "God Needs Women" movie?
and if we gave the A-rabs a few more Megatons and a few less Mega-Petro-Dollars, the World would be a safer place.
Frank
Timothy L. Pennell| 3.8.12 @ 10:15AM
Brilliant!
Frank Drackman | 3.8.12 @ 10:22AM
thanks,
got a little Freudian there,
it's "Mars Needs Women"
if God needed em, he'd just make one out of a rib or something he had lying around.
Frank
Timothy L. Pennell| 3.8.12 @ 10:37AM
It's called SARCASM, Genius. You remember "SARCASM", don'tcha?
Pathetic.
Frank Drackman | 3.8.12 @ 10:58AM
"Sarcasm"??
You meanlike the rolled-eyes-look they give you when you try to donate blood..
You know, when you check that box "No" where they ask if your a "Man who's had sex with a Man (Even Once!) since December 31st 1977? (Hmmm right smack in the middle of your Brave Military Service shining shoes at the Base Golf Course(Air Force Golf Courses are always the best)
but hey, wear that National Defense/Good Conduct Ribbon proudly!
Frank
The American Hitman| 3.8.12 @ 7:14AM
Yeah, on the other hand, Obama looks pretty good next to the likes of RuPaul and his minions.
Jobe| 3.8.12 @ 1:36PM
And yet, American Jews vote overwhelmingly for democrats like obama who continue to make Israel's existance more and more dangerous.
Clint| 3.8.12 @ 7:36AM
Uh Oh !
The Israel Firster Smear Bund RINO-CINO Poseur Punk Poster Phoney Conservative Romney Flunkie Stooge Is In The Building .
The Tea Party Rebellion Will Force A Brokered Convention.
Dick Nome | 3.8.12 @ 8:26AM
The TPINO robo-poster mainline butt bandit is loose. Full moon today too. Guess he and PA will be out. Still haven't found your tinfoil hat, CLint.
Clint| 3.8.12 @ 6:24PM
Uh Oh !
Tea Party Clint Upset The Israel Firster Smear Bund RINO-CINO, Mitten's Kitten.
The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To A Brokered Convention.
RCV| 3.8.12 @ 7:57PM
Where's that explosive, tell-all tape Clint?
Frank Drackman | 3.8.12 @ 8:31AM
Clit,
Your a Homo.
Frank
Conservative Not Republican| 3.8.12 @ 9:45AM
That's the other takeaway from these comments. Clint's a homo. The Stupid Party Strikes Again.
Frank Drackman | 3.8.12 @ 9:50AM
From my Favorite White Alabama Running Back/Purple Heart Winner/Ping Pong Champion
"Stupid is as Stupid does"
Frank
Oldefarte| 3.8.12 @ 1:29PM
Hey, mine too. Forrest is my favorite PHILOSOPHER!!!!!
Occam's Tool| 3.8.12 @ 10:47AM
I don't think he's (Clint's) a homo. I think he's the human embodiment of C. Elegans, a self fertilizing hermaphroditic roundworm with the fewest number of neurons imaginable.
I also think he's a Jihadist boy-toy.
Oldefarte| 3.8.12 @ 1:32PM
OT, he's also got to be a paid/compensated political operative for MEDIA MATTERS from his contant proclamations of the term ISRAEL FIRSTER [which I recently discovered was originated by/from MM according to (think) noted lawyer Alan Dershewicz [sp?]!!!!
Clint| 3.8.12 @ 6:35PM
The Little, Short, Fat, Agin' Israel Firster Neo-Chickenhawk Coward,Tool Job Molests Underage Sheep.
Clint| 3.8.12 @ 6:20PM
More Queer Talk From Bibi's Boyfriend.
Clint| 3.8.12 @ 6:28PM
Dorkman's In A Menage A Trois With Bibi & Bibi's Goat, Chuckie.
The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To A Brokered Convention.
Oldefarte| 3.8.12 @ 4:55PM
Clit, 'FESS UP.....your term 'Israel Firster' was originated at Media Matters [which is in political bed with the Obama white house] and you are the only one here repeating that phraseology. WHY???????????????????
Clint| 3.8.12 @ 6:30PM
Wrong, Israel Firster Smear Bund RINO-CINO Romney Flunkie Stooge, Shit Pants.
The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To A Brokered Convention.
spike59| 3.9.12 @ 6:23AM
actually, 'israel firster' is a common term with StromFront and the rest of the neo-Nazi knuckledraggers (ie, Ronulans)
Mike W| 3.8.12 @ 8:27AM
The dumb American sheeple are going to fall for this bs for the second time in 10 years. This propaganda campaign looks like the pack of lies that got Iraq in 2003. It is just as dishonest and wrong.
Frank Drackman | 3.8.12 @ 8:35AM
You listen to Michael Savage too?
and "Sheeple's" as out of style as "Colored Only" rest rooms, I think he's using "Huddled Asses" now.
Frank
O.F. A.N. A.S.S.| 3.8.12 @ 3:59PM
Even sheep know whether either humorous term is used, our species being sodomized, particularly lamb rams, are not amused by the overtly ovine bigotry.
Ovines For
A Nation
Absent Species Sodomization
martin j smith| 3.8.12 @ 8:52AM
At this time ANYTHING that Obama says will be a lie --especially if it concerns his belief that he deserves re-election. This has been true from day one of his inauguration.
William R| 3.8.12 @ 8:57AM
If Obama treated Israel like Reagan did, he’d be impeached
http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/w.....d-1.400542
Jason Merrified| 3.8.12 @ 10:30AM
The Republicans, none of whom have ever served in the armed forces (with the exception of Ron Paul who seems to be the lone voice calling for not bombing Iran) are the same folks who led us into a war with Iraq that took the lives of 5,000 Americans and badly wounded more than 30,000. Was Iraq a threat to us? NO. Was Iraq a threat to Israel? NO. The same folks who clamored for war then are doing so once again. It seems very easy to call for attacking another country and bombing it when your sons are not doing the fighting and dying. That's typical of the chickenhawk Republicans.
I did not notice when Chief Justice Roberts swore in our President at the Capital that the oath stated "I Barack Obama swear to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America and to do whatever Israel's government asks of me, including groveling to Benjamin Netanyahu." I must have been in the other room when Obama took the oath. Guess I have been badly mistaken. I thought the President of the United States, whether he or she is a Democrat or Republican, has to put America first. Seems the Israel firsters disagree.
Tim the Enchanter| 3.8.12 @ 4:29PM
When has The Kenyan EVER put America first?
Oldefarte| 3.8.12 @ 4:58PM
When he allowed the taxpayers to pay for the jet fuel that transported-flew BO-THE-FAMILY-DOG to Hawaii to join the rest of the family maybe??????????
Occam's Tool| 3.8.12 @ 10:48AM
Was Iraq a threat to us? I dunno, they had just tried to assassinate a US President.
Clint| 3.8.12 @ 6:43PM
Was The U.S.S. Liberty A Threat To Israel, Ya Little Punk Israel Firster Traitor Bastard Neo-Chickenhawk Coward,Tool Job.
Tool Job's Israel IDF Girlfriends Deliberately Attacked Our U.S.S. Liberty, killing 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two Marines, and one civilian) and wounding 170 crew members.
Tommy Watson| 3.8.12 @ 11:05AM
Obama would make a for a most successful used car salesman. Of course, he'd need his teleprompter and Axelrod and others to load it for him, but hey, that's biz! Obama and his Liberal Socialist stooges made a great effort to bamboozle the AIPAC Jews and did his best to insure that they REALLY believe there there will be SOAP when they get into the showers. The man is a despicable liar, charlatan and thief.
nathan| 3.8.12 @ 12:14PM
Amazing, amazing, simply utterly amazing. Listen to yourselves. Really. Frank and Timothy just openly advocated genocide on this page. I mean that is what "kill them kill them all" means. Children too? While we're at why don't you propose building a small version of Birkenau and making say around a few hundred pounds of Cylon B gas? I mean there really aren't that many of them of right and a little of this stuff goes a long ways.
What is the matter with you all? How dare you talk this way? Even in jest? You have no right, no right whatsoever to say this.
Tim you rant and rave about the terrorist incidents against Israel, but are strangely silent about the massive death toll at the Sabra and Chatila refugee camps outside Beirut. Sharon let the Falangist militias go crazy in those camps for nearly 24 hours while the IDF did NOTHING! How many innocent women and children died because of that? Maybe more than all the terrorist actions inside Israel over the LAST 20 YEARS! There were credible stories of women and children trying to escape the carnage and being pushed back in by those RIGHTEOUS soldiers of the IDF. And the self righteous Israelis went and elected Sharon, who allowed all this and did nothing to stop the carnage, prime minister.
Who are they to complain about massacres when they do it themselves? When they systematically deprive Palestinians, charged with no crimes, of their rights?
Stop this. This site should not allow any more talk like this, no more "kill them all" nonsense. Especially since in our own history we did exactly that, we did carry out a policy of genocide against the Indians.
Enough. This has to stop. No more. It simply has to stop now.
Frank Drackman | 3.8.12 @ 12:45PM
@ Nathan,
love your hotdogs BTW.
and its "Zyklon B" BTW, we Jews know stuff like that.
And NOT cause Cyanide's used in extracting Gold.
and I was being Allegoric with my "Kill em All" rant, there's a few Good A-rabs, like my Iranian friend Fashid.
Oh yeah, Iranians aren't A-rabs.
And if We Really Geno-Cided the Indians, howcome there's still so many around?
Seriously, go to Poland, or Germany, you won't find many of my fellow Christ-Killers/Christian Baby Stealers/Super-Stud-Love-Masters...
Frank
nathan| 3.8.12 @ 1:11PM
Sue me for the spelling error.
You said "kill the kill them all." Allegoric? Really? Didn't come across that way to me. It sounded like what I recall reading in the books about on the Holocaust. Or the way Sheridan and Sherman talked about the Indians.
Words have meaning and people understand words as they are written and spoken. If you don't want to be viewed as a person advocating the complete elimination of an entire race, don't talk that way. Don't talk like a Nazi if you want to be viewed as one. People might think you really are one.
As for the Indian numbers do the math. At the time of Columbus in our part of North America there were around 6/7 million. There are currently "maybe" a million. Now to be sure people like Michael Medved claim that diseases that they had no immunity to accounted for most of that. No not really.
Go and look at the reservations we herded them on out west. They look strangely like the ghettos in Poland. Not nearly enough room, not enough food, not enough anything. They died of starvation, illnesses not related to immune problems. The ethnic cleansing plus the ghettoization and the massacres and all of it just killed them off. And look at how the military leaders treated them. Sheridan and Sherman and others called them animals, sub humans all of it. Well hell, don't have to treat animals like humans, PETA notwithstanding, treat "animals" anyway you want, and we did. Which is why you never call humans anything other than humans. The moment you dehumanize them, get the camps ready.
That answer your question?
Ralph Novy| 3.8.12 @ 2:53PM
nathan:
I'm afraid you're probably wasting your breath here.
The vast majority of commenters here have an axe to grind, not a brain to teach. Their questions are virtually always "rhetorical," not sincere.
Oldefarte| 3.8.12 @ 5:04PM
You're a stupid jackars; and your above makes about as much sense as .....A SCREEN DOOR IN A SUBMARINE!!!!!!!!!
nathan| 3.9.12 @ 8:10AM
LOL Just once just once try a response to what I post that actually has "substance" in it. I mean, I throw all sorts of facts out, refer to any number of authors like Andrew Napolitano Matthew Alexander, I mean I clearly do a lot of reading, done a lot of research, and all you and lot of others do is stick your tongue out at me. If you have a better argument, make it, if you think my numbers are wrong, come up with better ones, but this posting? Really? This is the BEST you can do? I mean thanks for admitting I'm right. I appreciate the compliment.
Alan Guttmacher| 3.8.12 @ 12:56PM
Really. Listen to you. Amazing, amazing, simply utterly amazing? Openly advocated genocide?
Today , March 8, 2012, on average 3,836 innocent and defenseless unborn Americans will be brutally slaughtered.
Every single day, since January 22, 1973, on average 3,836 innocent and defenseless unborn Americans have been brutally slaughtered, and this has been considered 'legal'.
Today, March 8, 2012, on average the total now stands at 54,820,463 innocent and defenseless unborn Americans brutally slaughtered 'legally'.
Is that enough? Does this have to stop? Now? When?
Ron| 3.8.12 @ 12:39PM
What ever happened to just supporting our allies? Make no mistake, the Israelis are allies and damn good ones...They have been combating terrorism for almost 70 years, and in ground combat for at least that long every decade or so.
Guys, look at what you are saying...You got Clint the KKK in disguise running off at the mouth about the evil Jews (my wife is an American Jew and votes Independent or Republican) and how they are in a conspiracy to take over everything...WAKE TFU, Clint...If the Jews were doing such a hot job after 5000 years, don't you think they could be doing a little better than 8,522 square miles? Oh, that's right, your heroes; Adolph Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Josef Mengele, Reinhard Heydrich, Josef Stalin all helped "keep them in line"...then there is Jack in Wi...he must be grounded from his computer, dead or in jail since he has not been on to join Clint in their daily anti-Jewish rants...
Why not just actually show some support...Maybe less bashing of the Jewish minority in the US (and it is a minority according to NerObama who claims we are the largest Muslim country, btw) would be beneficial...BTW Clint, have you ever actually been to the Middle East? or Africa? I have, and Israel went from desert wastes to a stable republic, gardens and growing, thriving cities in under 70 years...While the rest of the Middle East and Africa are broke, corrupt, rotting wastes...
nathan| 3.8.12 @ 12:59PM
Ron, I'm sorry but the behavior of Israel does not stand close scrutiny. They often show that they don't object to terrorism just certain terrorists. In 1948 the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel, one of the celebrated terrorist actions of its day. Over 120 civilians died in that incident and yet none of the perpetrators were ever brought to justice. In fact a few years ago the Israelis laid a plaque at the site, not for the victims but for the two Irgun members who died in the explosion. Netanyu attended the ceremony. The British were less than thrilled.
When you look at the Deir Yassein massacre, another Irgun operation and similar terrorists assaults, you have to look at Israel with a cautious eye here. What made it so much worse of course is that they elected an Irgun member, Begin, as prime minister. Not the best of examples for the rest of the world.
On the west bank they routinely violate the rights of law abiding Palestinians who have not been accused of any crimes. You often see grafiti saying "Palestinians to the ovens". Security forces on the west bank are told that should a settler go beserk and start shooting Palestinians, as actually happened, they are instructed to take him alive, even if that means letting him keep killing innocent people for an extended period.
On what basis does Israel do Kelo VS New London against Palestinians who have lived on lands for centuries and have been neither charged nor convicted of any crimes? They call themselves a democracy but act anything but like it.
Too many "conservatives" in this country take a Stephen Dacatur approach to them. Do they have a right to exist? Probably. But they have a right to violate other's rights? To do what they did at those refugee camps outside Beirut? NO! We have no obligation to support them when they use a terrorist group in Iran to kill civilian scientists. Terrorism is terrorism.
And on what basis did they justfy supporting Hamas early on? Giving them recognition and money? Attacking Americans in foreign countries to make it look like it was other people? Spying on us and then selling information that they didn't need to our enemies. (They sure did.)
They do a lot of bad things which we have no obligaiton to support them on. Conservatives need to understand this and insist that they not only say they are a democracy but act like it too. Right now they aren't doing that.
Ralph Novy| 3.8.12 @ 2:37PM
nathan:
Agree with virtually all your points, but I'd go further and say that there's nothing "undercover" about Mr. Mandel's zionism. It's quite out in the open and obvious and blatant. Obama, if anything, has bent over backward to accommodate Israel's right wing. To suggest otherwise is not just incorrect but dishonest.
Oldefarte| 3.8.12 @ 5:06PM
Yeah, he's 'BENT OVER' alright, but to KISS THE ARS AND THE RING OF ARAB MUSLIM DICTATORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Johntd| 3.8.12 @ 7:51PM
This is ridiculous propaganda and anti-Semitic tripe. The whole history of Arab malfeasance, intransigence, terror and rejectionism is suspended because the Jews did this and that 100yrs ago. Why not start with the deicide routine and leave it at that?
Ha! Deir Yassin was the result of a pitched day long battle wherein every arab there was armed. The British refused to meet their international obligations, abused their mandate, fomented and encouraged trouble by importing Arabs into the area, disarmed Jews and basically did everything in its power to sabotage the League of Nations and UN mandates. After 10 yrs. of this sort 'negotiation' with white English trash the Jews had had enough!! They deserved bombs not only going off at King David but in Picadilly as well.
Your comments about 'palestinians' living there for centuries is just so much ridiculous nonsense. This national entity has never existed other than as a Jewish one. The Jews living in mandated Palestine were refered to as palestinians by the Arabs there. Emmanuel Kant in the 19th Century referred to the Jews living in Germany as 'the Palestinians amongst us'. The 'palestinians' you refer to have never existed. When the West Bank was held by the Arabs for 20 yrs. between 1948 and 1967 no-one ever thought to set up a 'palestinian' state. These people are a fiction set up for the purpose of prosecuting the failed wars against the Jews by other means. You will see the day when these arabs are ground into the dust.
An imperialist like yourself living on native indian possessions only by virtue of force finds it assuages his conscience to side with similar Arab imperialists trying to do the same thing to Jewish possessions. But the arbitration of history is not final. The bleating about how 'peaceful' 'palestinian' Arabs have some claim to rights from an entity whose right to exist they do not recognise is part of the Arab psychological doublespeak and sourced from a sense of entitlement that thinks Jews and other infidels will get slapped and like it. Those days are over and your stupid scribblings will not bring them back.
BTW Israel will decide what her democracy is NOT you. We don't give a whit to your opinions on that matter. There is never any point to discussion with your kind of lying trash. Go get your gun. We shall see who prevails.
nathan| 3.9.12 @ 10:55AM
Why or why do I bother.
The people on the west bank that I am referring to, are Arabs. Now call them Palestinians, call them Arabs, how about just plain call them "people"? Human beings? Try that. And in many cases are occuping ancestral lands dating back hundreds of years.
Now follow me on this. One day IDF forces comes up this farmer and his family and says, pack you bags, you're leaving. What have I done officer? We're not charging you with anything but we're taking your land. Buying my land? Taking your land. But my family has lived here for centuries and I obey the laws sir. It doesn't matter. Well do I get to take my furniture, my possessions? No.
Later this "person", guilty of no crime, watches as "settlers", arrogant, racist to the core, move in on land that under any "unalienable rights" reading, they have literally no claim to.
Now some of these "people", Arabs, call them anything you want, have gone to court and interestingly enough have won. Guess what, that "democracy" in the middle east you all praise so highly have told the courts has did Andrew Jackson in not so dissimilar circumstances (the Cherokees in Georgia?) you've made your ruling now enforce it. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I sort of maybe didn't think that "democracies" act like this? Bad guys take land that doesn't belong to them, not good guys. Talk is cheap, actions only matter.
The British deserved the King David Hotel action? Really? Albert Einstein who soundly condemned the action at the time would beg to disagree with you. You've heard of him right? And I thought your heroes Bush and Cheney declared war on "terrorism"? And here you are defending a terrorist act? Are you reading what you're writing?
On deicide by the way if it's utter nonsense why did the Catholic Church formally renounce it in 1948? It was the official doctrine of the church for well over a thousand years?
Now getting back to Israel. Most writers, MOST writers say that at Deir Yassein the Irgun launched an attack on what was a largely undefended village. They murdered a lot of women and children in again what was at the time considered a terrorist incident which Ben Gurion by the way was aware of either during or shortly thereafter. Now the point of this action was to scare Arabs into leaving Israel. The Israelis, setting up a de facto theocratic state, and basically one with only Jews in it, really didn't want to deal with a lot of Arabs there. So this was an exercise in ethnic cleansing. To be sure some of the Arab leaders were encouraging Arabs to leave too but a lot of residents were saying, why go? We've lived here for decades, centuries whatever, this is our home, we aren't bothering anyone, so we're staying. The Irgun didn't quite see it that way. Ben Gurion turned a blind eye to this behavior when in fact he should have proscecuted them.
People, call them what you will, have rights. The "unalienable rights" doctrine IS universal and applies anywhere in the world. And we as Americans should be not casual when our GREAT ALLY systematically violates fundamental rights of those under it's control. Sorry, we shouldn't. All men are created equal applies to Arabs too and they enjoy due process rights regarding their lives and their property.
Here's what you all are missing. Sure, muslim terrorists are ghastly, who says otherwise. But that's not the standard here. We, Americans, Israelis, we're supposed to be better than the people we're fighting. We really are. It's not enough to say, well, look at those suicide bombers, look at how awful they are. Sure but that doesn't give us or the Israelis an excuse or a reason to act bad, to violate rights of people who have not broken the law, who have not harmed anyone. We are better than this. We answer to a higher standard. But when the Israelis take land away from people who aren't guilty of anything, they aren't being better. When Sharon let the Falangist militia run riot in those two camps killing hundreds if not thousands of innocent women and children he wasn't meetin that higher standard. Since when are children EVER legitimate, no matter who they are? We have an affirmative obligation at all times, we and the Israelis to protect children and that didn't happen at those two camps. To say that muslim terrorists kill children doesn't excuse what the Israelis allowed to happen inside those two camps. Again, they and ourselves answer to a higher standard.
And we have to call them out, we have to demand an end to the settlements, we have to demand that Israel walk it the way they talk it. The same applies to ourselves as I've said in other postings. We're not the terrorists, and we can't act like them, we can't torture people, no matter how noble the intentions or reasons. We are better than that.
Enough of this. Look at us, look at who we're becoming. I was down at Jefferson's home the other day and went to his grave site. I wanted to see if the ground was disturbed by his rolling in the grave over what his children had become. Bush and Cheney with the Patriot Act and the torture and all of it, he wouldn't approve of any of that and niether would any of the Founders. And just as we as the descendants of those men can't continue to support such policies, we can't support countries who violate the fundamental rights of people under their control. No matter what the reason. We can't. It's not who we are or who we should be. That's not what the Founders gave us. Sorry it's just not. Look at yourselves here and make a convincing case that Washington and Madison and Jefferson and the rest wouldn't be sick to their stomachs over most of what they see on this site. Go ahead. And then tell me who the real conservatives are. GO AHEAD.
Johntyd| 3.10.12 @ 3:14AM
You got it right the first time. Why bother.
Albert Einstein??? That political flim flop idiot? What? You think because he made his name in Physics that gives him a pass on every other subject and your asinine name dropping of him constitutes an 'argument', and makes all and any of his other stupid political and social mouthings physical law? Einstein finally got it right about himself when he refused the Presidency of Israel by say ing he knew nothing about politics or human nature. The man's personal life was a train crash. He couldn't boil water and I'm supposed to care what he says about the King David Hotel, HA!! That about sums up the incoherent drivel you wrote there. 'Most writers' you say - that's exactly the problem most writers deal in lies and the same ideological tripe as you do. Most people wanted to get rid of the Jews less than 70yrs ago and if we left things to the tyranny of what 'most people' want there would be no Jews around today. Get this - I don't run with 'most people' and don't care about what 'most people' think. Argumentum adbacculum makes no impression on me.
'We are better than that' HA!! You can put that on your own gravestone; just as the luxury of atheism is reserved for those who do not have to negotiate foxholes. How easily you dispense with OTHER people's political and moral capital. What common place drivel you write. You advocate for the fiction of 'innocent' 'palestinians' but the 800,000 Jews evicted from arab lands don't register, nor the fact that the forebears of these 'innocent' 'palestinians' made common cause in Hitler's Final Solution murdering 60,000 Jews in the Baulkans. The arabs were rioting, killing Jews in pogroms long before they had the specious excuse of Israel or the fiction of 'dispossession' to do so. The land is ours by history, by suffering and by defensive conquest. Period.
There will nothing anyone will be able to do about when the Jews get their heads back.
Jefferson?? Lincoln was killing children and sanctioning 'terrorism' against the South because that is what had to be done against an incorrigible, implacable enemy. Total war is coming and it will make Sherman's ride through Georgia look like a picnic.
You stupid fool. One day the IDF is going eject all 5 million of these 'innocent' people and then you will have to assuage your petty and perverse morality fictions on the back of some other third party payee. Legitimacy of children as targets? I suppose the 8th airforce never dropped a bomb on a German kindergarten? You are an idiot who thinks that we live in a world where children don't get killed and also thinks that because the parents of those children treat them as political fodder WE are supposed to care more about them because we are 'better' HA! Sorry to pinch your stupid bubble but I normally charge rates for educational instruction but in your case you need medical assistance as well because no amount of educative instruction can pull a head out of its own a*se.
Kultursmog| 3.9.12 @ 12:09AM
Ok Nathan. When was the last time you ever read about an Israeli terrorist or suicide bomber blowing up a bus or cafe in the Palestinian areas? When was the last time you ever heard of the Israelis unilaterally lobbing rockets on the Palestinians?
Did you read that article about the bus with the Palestinians on it that wrecked? Do you know where they took all those badly injured Palestinian kids to get the best possible medical care? In case you don't know the answer, the Israelis offered to take in the injured and provide the best medical care available. What do you think would have happened if the bus was full of Jews? I doubt the Palestinians would have been as gracious, even if they were able to provide real medical care.
The Jews fight to survive in an area where every sovereign state around them at least hates them and most want to exterminate them. I would say the Jews pretty much have the moral high ground in the Middle East.
Oldefarte| 3.8.12 @ 12:54PM
'TRUTH' and 'OBAMA' should not be used in the same context, and is an absolute MISNOMER!!!!
Ralph Novy| 3.8.12 @ 2:39PM
Use more all-caps, Oldefarte. It'll magically make your brainless anti-Obama screeds thoughtful.
Oldefarte| 3.8.12 @ 5:00PM
The only 'brainless' are you STUPID AH'S that voted for him in 2008 and allowed him to socialistic capture this nation. How 'bout thim capitals, you dumbars???????????
Oldefarte| 3.8.12 @ 5:02PM
PS: What's a ''''''NOVY'''''''? [something that resembles EXCREMENT]. How 'bout them capitals, DA????????
Bill| 3.8.12 @ 4:15PM
Obama is a Muslim and hates Jews. He wants Isreael go back to the 1967 pre-war border, endorsing Hamas demand of destruction of Isreal, while giving millions of US taxpayers money to Hamas. Obama is a threat to Jews people.
Nick| 3.9.12 @ 6:11PM
"That nigger lover President Clinton had the pen and vetoed so many good bills passed by the Gingrich-led Congress."
- Written by Bill, in the Time for Newt to Do the Honorable Thing thread:
http://spectator.org/archives/.....ent_749403
You're a moron and a racist, Bill.
GO AWAY!
Ken (Old Texican)| 3.8.12 @ 4:53PM
Isn't it fascinating that the most prosperous and most free Arabs in the middle east...live in Israel?
All of the screeds above don't change that.
RCV| 3.8.12 @ 7:57PM
Amen. Amen.
Nite| 3.8.12 @ 8:24PM
I agree with your comments. Obama said that he has Israel's back. Sure just so he can stick a knife in it. Bibi is a true leader. Obama is a weak spineless non-leader.
DaveS| 3.8.12 @ 8:14PM
The Iranians will be back to selling carpets and baskets soon enough. Bibi won't let the 2012 US elections affect him at all - but it IS affecting the Muslim-in-Chief.
Ken (Old Texican)| 3.8.12 @ 9:29PM
Dave,
you are right.
They know it too.
Stay locked and loaded.
POST American| 3.8.12 @ 10:31PM
---A week after the 'uncanny' natural
death of Andrew Breitbart -the 'Obama
Videos' ---already forgotten.
TREASON sits before the Congress
explaining that the US President is NOT
beholden to them ----but to a PRIVATE
international USURY and EUGENICS
borg (the U.N.).
-----This is TROJAN HORSE TREASON.
AGAIN ---for the slow of thinking---
RETRO-active IMPEACHMENT of our past
4 CFR front op administrations.
Immediate EXIT from and EXPULSION of
the unelected, ILLEGAL, private EUGENICS
borg UN.
Immediate revocation of the TAX FREE status
of the seditious 'benny violent' foundations
and NGOs. Immediate siezure of their
private records and prosecution.
Convening and empowering a new, and
far enhanced chapters, of BOTH the HUAC
and Nuremberg Tribunals.
"Let's ALL DIE --or LET'S DO IT."
-Thomas Carlysle
---------------------------------------------LET'S!
RCV| 3.9.12 @ 11:18AM
You are a reptillian slimeball, sir.
pmg25| 3.9.12 @ 2:52PM
Mr. Mandel quickly gets to a truth: Obama delivers remarkable performances of salesmanship - striking all the right notes for every audience, but does so only by deliberately distorting reality beyond all recognition.
Obama’s skill in Orwellian ‘doublespeak’, language that deliberately disguises, distorts, or reverses the meaning of words and truth, is beyond compare.
Unfortunately, the ‘lame stream media’ (NYT, WaPo, ABCCBSNBC, etc.), so deep in the tank for Obama, won’t or don’t want to challenge the glaring contradictions between Obama’s words and deeds. Obama’s dishonest betrayal of his support for Israel, which Mr. Mandel lays out, is just another conspicuous example.
Obama will spend nearly one billion dollars, and his PACs another billion or more to get Obama re-elected this fall. Truth in Advertising will suffer more than in any election in US history. The truth of Obama’s dismal record, on the economy, jobs, the deficit, energy, healthcare, ethics, Israel, Iran, etc., will be put up against his and his supporters skills at Orwellian ‘doublespeak’. Obama can’t get re-elected if the focus is on his deeds and his results. Let’s hope the majority of voters see reality and aren’t persuaded by his distortions and falsehoods.
John Kettlewell| 3.10.12 @ 7:37PM
You neglected to mention the behind the scenes push early on for a settlement freeze and/or demolishing of settled land, in order to bring the Muslims to the table. It of course did not. Then all the birdchesting when the settlement freezes were going to expire. It was a double cross, implying Muslims are interested in peace and by stopping early in the admin, would bring them to the table. That, with the explicit backing of the Admin, allowed the to try to corner Israel.
Combine that with all the attempts and all of Obamas comrades over the years and within his circle now. He is a Caesar guarded by praetorians, with the media panhandling along his march. Do not be deceived, he is a politician, his word means nothing.