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Campaign Crawlers
Expecting the Unexpected
GOP race may still be “a long process, folks,” says Herman Cain in Troy, Michigan.
WASHINGTON, Michigan — Many pundits predict that if Mitt Romney wins Tuesday’s Republican primaries in Michigan and Arizona, the momentum will carry the former Massachusetts governor to a sweep of the Super Tuesday primaries a week later. But one veteran of the topsy-turvy 2012 campaign expressed doubts Thursday about any such prediction.
“Michigan matters,” said Herman Cain, who ended his own bid for the GOP nomination in December. “There’s no question about it — Michigan definitely matters, and Super Tuesday’s going to be critical.”
Speaking to reporters after an event in Troy, where he appeared with Republican Senate candidate Pete Hoekstra, Cain considered two alternative scenarios for Super Tuesday on March 6, when nearly 200 delegates will be on the line.
“If it’s a three-way split, get ready for a long process, folks,” the Atlanta businessman said. “If one of [the candidates] gets the lion’s share of those [Super Tuesday delegates], then you could start to see some movement in terms of who might be that presumptive [GOP nominee]. But I’m not anticipating that, and here’s why: Go all the way back to Iowa. Iowa couldn’t predict New Hampshire, New Hampshire didn’t predict South Carolina, South Carolina didn’t predict Florida. Florida didn’t predict the places out west, Missouri and the others, and they’re not going to predict Michigan or Super Tuesday. The electorate is still sort of all over the place.”
The turbulent Republican primary campaign has seen many ups and downs, none more spectacular than Cain’s. He made a meteoric ascent to the top of the field after winning a Florida straw poll in September, and moved ahead of Romney in October, only to tumble in November in the wake of several highly publicized sexual allegations that were never proven and which Cain still firmly denies. Despite the disappointing finish of his presidential campaign, the former Godfather’s Pizza CEO remains popular with conservatives. Cain was greeted with a standing ovation when he was introduced Thursday evening at the American Polish Cultural Center in Troy, where he appeared with Hoekstra, whom polls show likely to win Tuesday’s Michigan primary for the Senate race against Democrat Sen. Debbie Stabenow.
Cain has endorsed his fellow Georgian and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who has suffered his own ups and down during the long Republican campaign. Gingrich made his own ascent to the top of the GOP field in late November, only to watch his lead in Iowa destroyed by a multimillion-dollar attack-ad blitz from Romney. After finishing fourth in Iowa and fifth in New Hampshire, however, Gingrich bounced back to beat Romney in South Carolina Jan. 21. But Gingrich was devastated by another Romney ad-blitz in Florida, stumbled through a badly disorganized campaign effort in Nevada, and fell out of contention in the Feb. 7 primaries and caucuses that saw former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum beat Romney in Colorado, Minnesota and Missouri. Low poll numbers and sagging fundraising would seem to indicate little hope that Gingrich can still challenge for the nomination, but his campaign clearly got a boost from a strong debate performance Wednesday in Arizona.
Cain offered his own assessment of the debate, which many expect will be the last such televised meeting of the GOP rivals: “Mitt Romney was on his A game. Newt Gingrich was on his A game. Santorum got hit pretty hard by Romney and Paul. And so I think the two that came out the strongest were Gingrich and Romney, in terms of the debate and what the takeaway was. Romney’s still staying on an attack mode. Gingrich stayed on solutions, and people noticed it. [Gingrich] kept talking about the key issues, he kept talking about solutions, and I was happy to see that.”
The impact of that debate hasn’t yet been measured by polls, and the most recent poll in Michigan showed Santorum leading Romney by three percentage points. Both campaigns are making a strong effort here: Romney can ill afford to lose his home state, and Santorum’s campaign is pushing hard in Michigan, the kind of industrial “Rust Belt” state where he hopes to benefit from his strong appeal to blue-collar social conservatives. While Cain greeted supporters after the Hoekstra event last night in Troy, a group of Santorum volunteers waited outside the Polish cultural center, handing out pamphlets, bumper stickers, and yard signs to those exiting the event. “They were 80 or 90 percent with us,” one of the Santorum volunteers said of the largely Catholic audience. Santorum’s schedule Friday in Michigan — a parish fish fry and a rally at a Knights of Columbus hall — suggests his campaign hopes that a strong turnout of Catholic voters will boost his chances Tuesday.
Should Santorum fall short here in Michigan, we can expect pundits once more to begin talking of Romney’s “inevitability” as the Republican nominee. But when a reporter asked for a prediction of who will eventually win the nomination, Herman Cain answered with three simple words: “I don’t know.” And nobody else knows, either.
About the Author
Robert Stacy McCain is co-author (with Lynn Vincent) of Donkey Cons: Sex, Crime, and Corruption in the Democratic Party (Nelson Current). He blogs at The Other McCain.
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TRW| 2.24.12 @ 8:15AM
What does Herman Cain have to tell or share with any of us? How is he a voice worth listening to?
If the man had any decency, he'd go away for the next three or four years.
Von Mises Jr.| 2.24.12 @ 8:52AM
Should he go away since he is black conservative? Should we not read Thomas Sowell or Walter E. Williams since they are black economist? Should not Clarence Thomas rulings be counted?
Or is it because Mr. Cain is alleged to have possibly had an affair because it is alleged he gave a woman money? Did he put a dollup on an intern's dress? Did he try to assault a masseuse to release his inner "chakra?" Did he have a love baby with a skank?
Please elaborate on your theory. Is it because he is black, or because he is a conservative and the nature of the charge is what matters?
TRW| 2.24.12 @ 9:15AM
Von Mises, you make good posts here on these blogs posts. You do. I find myself often agreeing with what you write in the last few months that I've been reading here.
However, here, I think you jump to some strange conclusion. (Because he is black? Are you serious? You ought to be ashamed to have written that. And you use the names Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell in this context of a discussion about Herman Cain?)
My take on Herman Cain is this: There has to be great merit to what turned out to be a whole host of allegations by women, particularly the last. If there was no merit to them, Herman Cain's Saturday in December "campaign suspension" would have been met with a flurry of actions during the "suspension" to clear-out all the dirty rotten allegations and some fact-finding revealling of who put these women and Gloria (what's her name? The pug woman lawyer) up to this dirty task of trying to paint Mr. Cain as a randy businessman on the constant prowl once outside of the confines of Atlanta. Well, the suspension of the campaign has turned out to be permanent.
There was no suspension; Herman Cain was quitting right there for good.
Von Mises, perhaps I am too simple a guy. But since he ran away (got out -- less than four weeks before the Iowa Caucus), he, by running away, proved what we hoped were terrible, untrue allegations against him.
Good men don't quit. Good men are well aware that the bad men will do much to tear you down. Good men are prepared for this. Good men don't just have stiff upper lips, they don't bend. Innocent men who've been falsely accuse don't cave -- all within just 4 short weeks.
Mr. Cain had A LOT of backers, a lot of support. If these allegations were baseless, he had ample resources (even in just the four weeks of December) to clear the air.
Since he had these liaisons with multiple women -- while an older man in top business positions (and while with the Kansas City Fed?) and WHILE BEING MARRIED TO WHAT SEEMS LIKE A VERY DECENT LADY and while appealing to the good Christians voters of this land, because of all these things, he never should have put his hat in.
So, one more huge strike against Herman Cain : Horrible judgement.
Herman Cain has hurt a lot of people. He has damaged the Conservatives of the land. He has damaged those who are faith-based.
He really needs a hiatus. Seeing him popping up now to comment here or there (or maybe go tout 9-9-9 in Japan) is like seeing former South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford standing in front of cameras opining on the presidential primary process; it is disgusting.
A moral man would step away for awhile, be absent.
Herman Cain really has hurt a lot of people.
Doctor Right| 2.24.12 @ 9:58AM
I agree.
I liked Cain. He's smart, spunky, and non-conventional.
Unfortunately, he's also a "dawg", and a liar. I could dismiss 1-2 of these accusations as nothing but dirty politics, but when they're coming fast-and-furious at a never-ending rate, one can only conclude that there's some merit to these lady's stories.
And here's where I'm going to get REAL controversial...
Sorry...but infidelity is NOT uncommon in black American culture. In fact, it's downright common. Martin Luther King, Jr. had multiple mistresses and extramarital sexual affairs while he was preaching from the pulpit. His friends knew about it, and actively covered it up. Corretta knew about it, too...but as she was in thrall to a narcissist (King), she was unable to do anything about it.
Likewise, Cain is also an obvious narcissist who used his power to take advantage of women, and believed he was too smart to get caught (despite his amateurish style).
Cain is a net-negative, now. Were I Romney, Santorum, or Gingrich (especially Gingrich!), I'd keep him at arm's length.
loulou| 2.24.12 @ 10:54AM
Take advantage of women?? Were they mentally defective and had no free will, or what?
Sounds to me that they were taking advantage of him.
Doctor Right| 2.24.12 @ 12:23PM
You've obviously never been exposed to the manipulation of a narcissist womanizer.
Yes. He took advantage of them.
rnd| 2.24.12 @ 12:48PM
Lou Lou, are you saying (surely not) that a married man in his 50's should so easily allow himself to be in compromising situations? On a repetitive basis?
I hope I misinterpret.
Every man of faith who sits and even just attends church once per month is aware of infidelities --- what we call adultery. This is not just sin; it always has real consequences. Every Christian man knows that crossing the line into something inappropriate simply begins when, if your wife were watching from 25 - 50 feet away, if and when your wife is uncomfortable with it. The moment that she is uncomfortable, whatever it is must cease. And should never be repeated.
All males in positions of leadership or top management or men with money know that these situations will arise. The egotists and immoral men say, "Well, hey, let's just see how this might play out." The moral man knows all the ways to say (perhaps not so sincerely at all) "Well, it is sure nice to see you again, I'll be going."
The moral man also knows all the ways to protect and avoid while on business travel.
A man who is 50 ought to be well versed as to how to handle himself. It is not like these women were bribing the bell hops or desk porters with money or favors to slip into Herman's rooms and wait naked in Herman's bed or hotel bathtub, or?
No, Herman is in public or semi-public spaces and yet still has the chutzpah to think that he can flirt, touch a little, exchange smiles and jokes, and just see where things might lead.
Yes, women can make their advances too. They surely can and do if there is something in that man they see or want or believe they can extort. But a good man already with gray hair and lots of wrinkles is not easily tripped up by someone else's free will. Unless he wants to be.
Pastorjack| 2.24.12 @ 1:54PM
Well said, rnd; well said.
Pastorjohn| 2.24.12 @ 2:19PM
So now Dr. Right and you others are calling Herman Cain a liar? What gives you the right to do so? He never confessed or admitted to being unfaithful in any way, did he?
And yet you play God and judge him. What does the Good Book say about pronouncing judgment? It warns that you will be judged with the same judgment that you are judging with. It will come upon you!
Doctor Right| 2.24.12 @ 4:29PM
Since you call yourself "Pastor", why don't you have a basic understanding of scripture??
What gives me the right to call Cain a liar?
Simple. I have a brain, and I have common sense. Both tell me, based on experience, that Cain IS lying.
What's that? He "never confessed"??? Are you serious? If a confession was the sole criterion for determining someone's guilt, our jails would be empty.
Secondly, I'm not "playing God". Nor am I "judging" Cain; only God can judge Cain.
You're misinterpreting scripture - completely.
I'm not worried about being judged with "the same judgment" as Cain because I'm not an adulterer, so I'm not a hypocrite. That particular plank is NOT in my eye.
Are you under the impression that being a Christian somehow means that you surrender common sense, and don't call-out wrong when you see it??
Grow up.
Pastorjohn| 2.24.12 @ 6:18PM
So, because YOU say he's lying brcause your brain says he's lying, though you have no proof that the allegations are true, you see fit to go according to your marvelous brain?
What a haughty character!
And apparently you know nothing of Scripture, either.
You are accusing a man of being a liar, and an Adulterer without any evidence, based on the testimony of women that have been shown to be insincere and up to no good and yet you believe that Scripture is on your side?
You will be judged for so doing, and I suggest it will not be in your favor. Someone indeed needs to do some growing up, and until then, you ought to change your name to Dr. Wrong.
Occam's Tool| 2.25.12 @ 6:52PM
If Cain had been innocent, he could go "head to head" and win.
But one of the interesting things is that none of these allegators has continued to push now that he's out of the race. "Dirty Deeds, Done with Sheep" or what? (That is a Dr. Demento take off of the AC/DC song)
Adjoran| 2.25.12 @ 2:44AM
With ten days notice the story was coming, during the first ten hours after it broke Cain had changed his story on the settlements paid by the National Restaurant Association several times.
First, he said there were no settlements. Then he said he knew of no settlements, but hoped they were small "because nothing happened."
Then he remembered one of the women was complaining that he compared her height to his wife's. Then he said she had only been given "a normal severance package, two to three months pay."
Then he claimed he had only denied knowing about the settlements because he didn't think of them as settlements, "in the business world we call them 'agreements.'"
All of which statements were blatantly false. The guy was lying his butt off, and not very well.
Von Mises Jr.| 2.24.12 @ 3:08PM
Can you point to the exact allegations in print?
I have yet to hear charges other than he lent some woman that worked for him money. I give charity to people I think deserve help.
You only see relationships where you get your fair share, and anybody not looking to get over is beyond comprehension?
Doctor Right| 2.24.12 @ 4:34PM
Yes.
I'm actually pointing to them now.
Oh, sorry...you can't see my desk.
Look...in all seriousness...if you want to believe that Cain is as pure as the driven snow, go ahead.
But don't expect the rest of us to climb on board that crazy train.
If all you heard was that he "lent some women some money" then you weren't really paying attention.
Cain has the characteristics of a sexual predator. I've dealt with them before, so I know what I'm talking about. If you think a sexual predator is always the stereotypical dirty, unshaven bum who pounces on women from a dark alley, then think again. Quite a few of them are intelligent, handsome, well-dressed, and clean-shaven. Like Cain.
I have no idea what you're trying to say in your last statement, so I'm going to leave it alone...
Von Mises Jr.| 2.24.12 @ 8:05PM
I am trying to say you are shooting off your mouth advancing accusations for which you have no proof. And you are sanctimonious and arrogant that you are correct. Proof sir????
pastorjohn| 2.24.12 @ 8:09PM
If I didn't know any better I would almost think that you're reading yourself in.
How else to explain that you assume his guilt the way you are doing?
Or perhaps you just find it impossible to give someone a loan without asking anything in return, because it isn't in you.
Trish| 2.24.12 @ 10:36PM
Brava!
Von Mises Jr.| 2.24.12 @ 10:17AM
TRW, I apologize if your intent was pure, and you are simply making a value judgement based on the available facts. But the point is that there was NO PROOF of the allegations. Furthermore, the first two women, I believe were from Chicago. One lived in Axlerod's building. And the few women who made allegations were all in financial difficulty and had checkered pasts.
I apologize if I assumed that you were accepting the premises of the left as creed, but I still stand by my position that he was "Borked."
I was in NYC June of last year for a RGGI protest. Herman Cain was the guest speaker for AFP. We were protesting the eventual doubling or tripling of electric rates. "Nannie" Bloomberg pulled AFP's permit at the last minute leaving Herman shouting over jackhammers and traffic next to the WTC construction site. They cited a Church across the street that did not appear to be conducting Services. Do you think this was an accident?
So as a Cain supporter (and a reader of Sowell and Williams), do you not think I may be skeptical of the allegations? Recall how the Democrats operated in the past with the famous phrase "it is not the nature of the crime, but the seriousness of the charge?"
I remain convinced that the liberals in the MSM and establishment forced him out without provable charges, but simply intimidation. Do you think Beck and Judge Napolitano changed their minds or felt it better to pass the baton?
TRW| 2.24.12 @ 11:13AM
Von Mises, any man stepping up to the plate to run for a governorship, a United States Senate seat, and certainly the U.S. presidency knows that the gauntlet of all gauntlets is about to commence.
One can intellectually know it but, no, not yet experience the anguish and aches that are about to occur. That will surely occur.
Especially if one is a conservative. Especially if on is a faith-based (Christian) conservative.
I am not glad that Herman Cain is out of the race. I wish he was still there. Like superb men as the two writers you've mentioned now twice, Williams and Sowell, they put paid to the nonsensical notion (the lies) that conservative principles, parties, movements, values, and lifestyles are just exclusively to benefit the descendants of Western European immigration to the U.S.
Herman Cain could have been a showstopper, the marquee name at any event. Alan Keyes was great in the past; Sarah Palin has been a superb voice since August 2008. This would have been Herman Cain's year. Even if he didn't do well in primaries and delegate counts, he would be the man on stage and at events that people would come to hear.
A huge smear job against Cain in November 2011? Well....Yes or maybe. Perhaps some of it. But the fact remains that he has done nothing (nothing that I am aware of) to clear his name.
I do not witness a flurry of activity.
Is running for this office the ultimate hardball in this hemisphere? Probably. So you've got to be tough, resilient.
How hard is it to employ aides, employ volunteers, use well-wishers, use the connections of your larger money backers? There is no one in Chicago's extremely large law enforcement community that would not step out of his, her, their way to probe into Gloria Alred and Co.? None there in the Windy City more than just sympathetic to Herman Cain?
Two can play at the Gloria Alred game. Send an "emissary" to Gloria and double the pay she's getting from the opposition; get her to be a turncoat or fess up or.... there are ways. Ahem, Gloria's past is lily white? She cannot see some jail time for failed tax reporting in four of the last ten years? Use leverage. Stay legal, stay clean, play hard.
Sigh. None of that is being done because none of that is necessary. Why is it unnecessary? I think we know what is true. Is Herman Cain a real lover-boy (in his 50's and 60's!) Don Juan? No, probably not. He had dalliances, perhaps some dinners for two when he should have been dining with male work associates or eating alone. He seems to like female company when he should be in his hotel room ALONE reading up on classical political philosophy and, yes, some foreign policy, world affairs.
Strong men don't quit easily. The key: Strong men don't quit when barbs are baseless.
There are essentially three possibilies: This is all pretty close to true, he's a man who flirts just way too much for a man his age when on the road and in hotels. Or he's been blackmailed or extorted to quit and stay on the periphery. Or he's a terribly weak man who does not have any fight in his belly when wrongly accused, no fight to come roaring back. We are now 95+ days since the first Chicago allegations came to be known. I don't see any fight to clear this up in these last three months.
Sure, are idiots like Mayor M. Bloomberg or countless other NYC metro liberals going to go out of their way to aid an Americans for Prosperity conservative event and a keynote speaker like Herman Cain? No. This is the rough and tumble. There will be serious hijinks along the road. In contrast though, don't cities like Memphis, St. Louis, Kansas City, Richmond and Charleston almost roll out warm, easygoing welcomes for someone like Herman Cain?
Maybe we'll have to agree to not agree on this one. I've given this much thought and have seen how falsely accused men behave in the past. No, not at this level. The good men I have seen falsely accused (and not threatened with jail time where they would be unable to freely move about to effect their exoneration), these good men falsely accused don't just fight back, they come with howitzers.
Herman Cain could have done the conservatives of the nation, Christians, black men, black families, black businesspeople, frankly the whole nation a whole lot of good. He would have been one terribly powerful voice against the current president. Sadly, I am rather convinced that his dalliances with women (long after his libido should have quieted in his life), these dalliances are true enough -- and egregious enough to faith-based folks who are his core supporters -- that he dismissed himself.
Von Mises Jr.| 2.24.12 @ 11:42AM
TRW, first and foremost, if you read logic, you would know that you cannot prove a negative. It was proved that BJ Clinton splatted on an intern through forensics, but one cannot prove that something did not happen.
So let me understand. You take the liberal MSM at its face value like a lap dog, and Herman Cain is supposed to fight to the death to prove you wrong. As a Christian and a conservative, I don't give a flying (you know what) what you think of me or my statements. Mr. Cain is accountiable to G-d and his family, and I am sure he doesn't give a hoot either what you think, except that you are too shallow to be convinced that one cannot prove a negative.
So he is a very wealthy and successful man, with a lovely wife and terrific life; and you want him to stand up when you fold like a cheap suit to political correctness. Give me a break!
Perhaps your intent is not pure since it is hollowed out by rotten logic and lack of courage.
Von Mises Jr.| 2.24.12 @ 12:47PM
Actually, it is you can't disprove a negative. Hegel would argue you cannot prove a positive, that is why we have different standards of proof in law. You can disprove a positive in a scientific experiment, math or logic, as well as prove a negative.
Dixie Pixie| 2.24.12 @ 10:20AM
Herman Cain was the target of a Democratic Party sexual smear campaign.
One that was so successful, it killed any chance of Cain running for public office again.
The political double standard is so perverse that it results in a Republican Party “Dhimmitude” to the Democratic Party.
That is the result the Democrats want and work to achieve.
loulou| 2.24.12 @ 10:55AM
I suspect the Romney campaign also had a hand in the Cain smears. Romney seems to like the tag team concept.
Garfield| 2.25.12 @ 3:37PM
You're probably right.
Von Mises Jr.| 2.24.12 @ 10:55AM
God bless you Dixie. I am sure TRW and Doctor Right are not malicious, but perhaps have failed to mature like a fine wine, YET!
Occam's Tool| 2.25.12 @ 6:57PM
Look, folks, people tried this crap on Newt and he kicked back.
This ain't beanball. My beef with Cain is that he was too lazy to read up on foreign affairs. How hard would it have been to take one week and get a cram course at Hillside College? Would people have criticized him for debate preparation and scholarship? People want a quick study as President.
Cain simply didn't have the fire in his belly that the Santorum has.
And THEN, there are the ethical issues.
Occam's Tool| 2.25.12 @ 7:06PM
The other thing was---the smear job is much less than the pressures that Obama is putting up with, and he is dealing with them more manfully than Cain did his.
And Obama is the biggest puss-puss to hold the office of President save two men---Jimmah Carter and James Buchanan (all three Dhimmicrats).
So much for character and Cain. He should have told people to f-off, that he was staying in the race, and let the scumbags prove their crap or face a Libel suit.
Doctor Right| 2.24.12 @ 4:44PM
Just because Cain was "targeted" does NOT mean he's innocent.
Von Mises Jr.| 2.25.12 @ 6:39AM
Because he was accusd does not mean he is guity. He may be, but you people sound like The Queen of Hearts in "Alice in Wonderland." Virdict first, trial later.
pastorjohn| 2.24.12 @ 8:03PM
Whatever happened to these accusers of Mr. Cain? Why aren't they suing him?
Where's the ever present Gloria Allred?
Seems to me that they've obtained their real goal, and that was to get rid of him.
The saddest thing of all though, is that many on our own side took part in it, and are still holding to it.
All based on suspicion, innuendo, baseless charges, and hearsay.
PL| 2.25.12 @ 2:00PM
No, PastorJohn, we ask these very same three questions that you list above. These three questions are not difficult ones. But we are not the ones to be pursuing them. Herman Cain and his inner team are. But are they? Maybe in some sort of stealthy way we don't know about?
Seems doubtful.
Are any of the posters like you going to take any actions more than just typing these words? Clearly, this would obviously take personal money, time, & commitment. But if you believe something terrible has just taken place, why not take action? If a good man has been falsely run off the stage, time for action, right? But nobody is taking Gloria Alred to task or the woman she represented. Who is pursuing follow up interviews with the last woman? Anybody? If no one is chasing "justice" here, why not? (Everyone knows Gloria Alred is a jerk. No one likes her. So she ought to be easy pickings.) Nothing but inaction. What does that communicate to the voters?
Dai Alanye | 2.24.12 @ 12:34PM
The first two allegations against Herman Cain were surely false, but the third one...
So let's not say "multiple women." One admission that his wife didn't now of Herman's "charity" was all it took.
Dixie Pixie| 2.24.12 @ 10:37PM
Gentlemen....The charges against Herman Cain were so laughable, they would have been discredited in a court of law.
For example there was no physical evidence of sexual misconduct.
“He touched my leg”, “He gave me a suggestive look” and “He loaned money to me over a period of years without telling his wife” are not evidence.
The DSK case was an example of enough evidence for an conviction.
The Democrats conducted a obvious sexual smear campaign and the Republicans fell for it like a brain-dead starving trout.
This election has been so rigged, not only are the ropes visible, they are starting to foul each-other.
Cain was a Republican, so he was crushed.
DSK was a Socialist, so he walked.
The double standard was so obvious and blatant as to be Republican Dhimmitude.
PL| 2.25.12 @ 2:28PM
I don't think you are saying this, but one has to ask --
So -- all that matters is the 'legal,' a court of law decision? That is what decides who merits the anointing by the GOP to run for the highest office in the land?
So a candidate can be absolutely acceptable and palatable if nothing he has done will trespass laws that end up in a likely or probable conviction?
Let's be clear what you are saying here.
It is a phrase, maybe an overused and ill-defined one, but "the court of public opinion" and its decision have no merit?
And talk in the general -- not the Herman Cain specific as you address those topics.
Point two: Surely you don't just limit as the smear source during a presidential campaign to the opposition party, now do you?
Point three: Mrs. Cain is not a court of law. We don't know what her standards are, but it is probably rather fair to say that her standards are about equal to most married women of her generation. Does a woman like Mrs. Cain need physical evidence to know that her husband has been cavorting, flirting, or even outright committing adultery? Is Mrs. Cain able to make a decision even when she does not have 100% bulletproof evidence of adultery?
Dixie P., I'm not so sure you understand what an absolutely vital asset a wife can be, must be for a man running for president and serving there, for any top leadership position. If she's all on board,that man has great chances for success. If she's even wavering a little, his chances are on the rocks. Even if he gets the position he covets, if she's not on board, he's a less effective leader.
Where is Mrs. Cain on the 'allegations' in February 2012? Do you know? What's her present stance?
Alan Brooks| 2.24.12 @ 11:16PM
"What does Herman Cain have to tell or share with any of us? How is he a voice worth listening to?"
Because he is a Tom who knows on which side his Aunt Jemima pancakes buttered on.
Alan Brooks| 2.24.12 @ 11:18PM
Cain is humbly willing to carry water for the GOP--
plus also chop cotton on the Plantation.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 2.24.12 @ 8:26AM
Public embarrassment is no longer a hindrance to golden halo endorsements.
Alan Brooks| 2.25.12 @ 11:01AM
"Sorry...but infidelity is NOT uncommon in black American culture."
But white guys don't always stick to milk and cookies when the wife isn't around.
Mimi| 2.24.12 @ 8:57AM
Herman still denies and nothing proven. Why not give him the benefit of the doubt? If the process can destroy like this...What a shame, especially if there is nothing there.
Just wondering....was this outing of Herman Cain, the DEMS, or ROMNEY, who committed the dirty deed ?
Marco2| 2.24.12 @ 9:46AM
Disgusting. This character is an example of what we get with all this free "debate" air time. BTW, were there any puffy-eyed, bleached blondes hanging around the stage looking to become his "friend"?
Doctor Right| 2.24.12 @ 9:59AM
Honestly, who cares who did it??
I'm just glad it happened now, and not in October.
pastorjohn| 2.24.12 @ 8:04PM
That seems to be your problem, doesn't it? That you just do not care about the truth.
Clint| 2.24.12 @ 9:59AM
We Are Being Set Up By The RINO-CINO Flunkie Stooges For The Ruling Elites' Frontman Mittens Romney.
These Are The RINO-CINO Flunkie Stooges Who Gave Us The Serial Traitor To Conservatism, John McCain Of McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy,McCain-Lieberman,Gang Of 14, Opposing Bush Tax Cuts Of 2001 & 2003,TARP.
Now They Are Trying To Give Us RomneyCare,TARP, Cynical Flip-Flops On Abortion, Gays, Refuses to Sign Pro-Life Pledge, Illegal Immigrants, "Little Chain Saw Al" At Bain, Crony Capitalism Campaign Money Trail.....
The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To A Brokered Convention.
Doctor Right| 2.24.12 @ 9:59AM
...yawn...
Do you EVER have any original thoughts??
Fred Farkel| 2.24.12 @ 12:13PM
Mr. Cut and Paste, TPINO-LWJ main-line bum bandit Clint. He Better change his mind, it's a Romney/ Paul axis coming down the pike.
Clint| 2.24.12 @ 3:06PM
The Usual RINO-CINO Israel Firster Smear Bund Shuck & Jive, From The Coward Poseur Poster Farkel.
"Mr. Paul, a 76-year-old congressman from Texas, sees his three Republican rivals as more or less the same politically. He can be tough on Mr. Romney, whom he describes as a flip-flopper with a dubious political core.
“He’s been all over the place on some of this stuff,” Mr. Paul said in a recent interview near his Texas home. But he seems to segregate those views from his personal feelings for Mr. Romney, whom he sees as a steady, dignified personality whose devotion to wife and family reflect his own values. "
The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To A Brokered Convention.
Fred Farkel| 2.25.12 @ 4:48PM
An old crackpot for every political season. Hail to your icon Murray Rothgard, a crackpot for the ages. Anarchy now.
Clint| 2.26.12 @ 7:56AM
Tell It To Keynes Grave, RINO-CINO Israel Firster Smear Bund Poseur Coward, Fern Fartsmel.
Milton Friedman,Nobel prize Economist,
"I strongly support Ron Paul. We very badly need to have more Representatives who understand in a principled way the importance of property rights and religious freedom."
The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To A Brokered Convention.
Occam's Tool| 2.25.12 @ 7:00PM
Dr. Right: by the time you are finished commenting on this campaign, you will know all about C(lint). Elegans, a free living, hermaphroditic roundworm that self fertilizes and has only 302 neurons.
Then you won't need to ask questions about original thoughts, cause what can a girl/guy with only 302 neurons do?
But if Romney chooses Paul as his VEEP, watch the neck snap.
Clint| 2.24.12 @ 10:10AM
You're The RINO-CINO Flunkie Stooge, Who Said He'll Vote For The RINO-CINO Frontman, Mittens Romney.
The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To A Brokered Convention.
loulou| 2.24.12 @ 10:56AM
How 'bout that Ron Paul being Romney's butt boy?
Clint| 2.24.12 @ 11:34AM
That's Pretty Bold Talk From A One-Eyed Gendered Confused "loulou" Israel Firster Smear Bund Fat Thang, Bibibotnik.
"Mr. Paul, a 76-year-old congressman from Texas, sees his three Republican rivals as more or less the same politically. He can be tough on Mr. Romney, whom he describes as a flip-flopper with a dubious political core.
“He’s been all over the place on some of this stuff,” Mr. Paul said in a recent interview near his Texas home. But he seems to segregate those views from his personal feelings for Mr. Romney, whom he sees as a steady, dignified personality whose devotion to wife and family reflect his own values. "
The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To A Brokered Convention.
Fred Farkel| 2.24.12 @ 12:14PM
Mr. Cut and Paste, TPINO-LWJ main-line bum bandit Clint. He Better change his mind, it's a Romney/ Paul axis coming down the pike.
Ron Paul the crackpot Radical Libertarian more like a Liberal since he is no Conservative
Clint| 2.25.12 @ 5:00AM
RINO-CINO Israel Firster Smear Bund Bibi Botnik, Fern Fartsmel, Poseur Poster Is Scared Of The Tea Party Rebellion.
The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To A Brokered Convention.
Dai Alanye | 2.24.12 @ 1:11PM
RonPaul has had a free ride so far, since he's more of an annoyance than a threat to other candidates. But he needs to be taken down one of these days.
Someone needs to point out his perfect uselessness in Congress-- a record of accomplishment that makes Barack Obama's legislative achievements look wonderful by comparison -- one law passed in his scores of years in a public role.
Some legislators, of course, pass few laws but have great influence on their fellow Congressmen. Barry Goldwater is a fine example. Others, however, merely hibernate in Congress, coming out of a deep sleep only for an occasional speech or to negotiate for earmarks. I have such a Congressman, but even he comes nowhere near the fine standard of uselessness set by RonPaul.
On the presidential trail RonPaul has made it his goal to claim great things while rarely bothering to give details, his budget claims an example. His standard line is that he'll cut the budget by a trillion during his first year.
First, it can't be done without some attention to entitlements, which he's afraid to describe lest he scare off senior voters.
Second, he'd never get such a huge cut past Congress.
Third, if the budget were by some miracle to be cut so rapidly the shock to the economy would be disastrous. Budget cuts must be gradual to be safe.
But none of this matters to RonPaul, because he's not a serious man. But he is a fine example of whiny hypocrite and perpetual office-holder.
Mike Hawk| 2.24.12 @ 1:34PM
Ron Paul is a radical in his own right. His connections and affinity for Murray Rothbard are as toxic as Obama's to to Saul Alinski.
www.americanthinker.com/2011/0.....ans_1.html
Clint| 2.25.12 @ 5:20AM
Dr.Ron's Plan To Restore America.
"SPENDING:
Cuts $1 trillion in spending during the first year of Ron Paul’s presidency, eliminating five cabinet departments (Energy, HUD, Commerce, Interior, and Education), abolishing the Transportation Security Administration and returning responsibility for security to private property owners, abolishing corporate subsidies, stopping foreign aid, ending foreign wars, and returning most other spending to 2006 levels."
Mike Hawk| 2.25.12 @ 9:17PM
Pray tell how is he going to do that??
Robert| 2.26.12 @ 9:35AM
How? Either this nation awakens from denial, or the Damocles sword called Economics will enforce a solution -- and it won't be pretty. Ask a bankruptcy judge how an illiquid entity is handled! Show no mercy. Slash everything (including taxes)! Nothing short of this will save this country!
The US is at the point where government must be liquidated. That's what happens to bankrupt institutions We are living in the twilight of our existence while the Nero's supposedly running things fiddle about, furrowing eyebrows over sexual dalliances and stupid aspirin jokes.
Maybe a Romney/Paul ticket could stir the somnolence enough to get something done before the merde hits the fan.
Clint| 2.25.12 @ 5:28AM
But while the candidates talk a good game about stemming the tide of red ink, the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget says their proposals don't necessarily add up.
"So far what we have is four candidates who are all serious about cutting spending, but are also very serious about cutting taxes," says Maya MacGuineas, president of the bipartisan organization. "And in most cases they would cut taxes by more than their spending cuts, which would make the overall deficit situation worse."
The lone exception is Texas Rep. Ron Paul, whose plans would actually shrink the debt by more than $2 trillion over the next decade.
"He tops the group in terms of the kinds of spending cuts he's talking about — at over $7 trillion in cuts, which is by far the greatest amount of any specific cuts that anybody has offered," MacGuineas says.
Occam's Tool| 2.25.12 @ 7:02PM
Dai: what law did he pass? I thought he was almost as perfect as the Washington Generals.
By the way, I have the great Chip Cravaack. I used to have Bob Aderholt, who was THE BEST.
Clint| 2.26.12 @ 8:07AM
Tool Job's The RINO-CINO,Who Said He'll Vote For The RINO-CINO Frontman, Mittens Romney.
"In 2005, 2007, 2009, and again in 2011, Dr.Ron Paul introduced the Sanctity of Life Act, which would have life defined as beginning at conception at the Federal level."
Ask Your RINO-CINO Girlfriends Why They Can't Get It Passed, RINO-CINO Tool Job.
The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To A Brokered Convention.
Al Adab| 2.24.12 @ 10:36AM
The majority of GOP primary voters remain unenthused about the choices available. Almost anything can happen as the so called frontrunner remains simply a plurality choice.Voters are seeking leadership yet remain leary of candidates with too much past baggage.
America elected a "pig in a poke" in '08 and the results of that should drive us toward those with proven records, but it seems as though those very records force us to shy away from the choices. Where is the strong executive with a solid Conservative record who can lead thhe party, energize the citizens and play a role in stabilizing this economy? That remains the question.
Should Have Impeached| 2.24.12 @ 9:38PM
He (or she) doesn't want the job.
Bill| 2.24.12 @ 10:37AM
Guess Who?
voted for
1. Raising the debt ceiling 5 times
2. Planned Parenthood
3. Medicare Part D
4. NCLB
5. Bridge to nowhere
voted against
1. "Right-to-Work" law
Ans: "Keystone big-government RINO" Rick Santorum
Dai Alanye | 2.24.12 @ 1:22PM
Another poster without an original thought, simply babbling out-of-context claims over and over. Poor Bill -- often disappointed, and soon to be so again.
Al Adab| 2.24.12 @ 2:34PM
"Bill" has puit that same thing up on every thread.
Frankly I suspect he is simply attempting to cause trouble expecially if he is the same "Bill" who posts all the nonsensical racist screeds. Not worth our time.
martin j smith| 2.24.12 @ 10:52AM
The most important thing for me is this: No one candidate has a strong enough showing. Romney--The Republican Establishment Prince --the presumptive successor to McCain as their leader-is not a shoe in. Moat importantly voters do not want another McCaine-a loser--They certainly disagree as to whom it should be--but not another Establishment type--closer to a Conservative. That is not Romney and because of his idiotic foreign and insecurity policies NOT PAUL.
Al Adab| 2.24.12 @ 12:42PM
The GOP worries so much about not offending anyone, that they pick candidates who likewise do not motivate anyone. The tepid, lukewarm stand for nothing and we should spew them out.
Ross Kaminsky | 2.24.12 @ 11:17AM
Two latest polls (released today) show Romney ahead of Santorum in Michigan:
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballo.....n-michigan
Dai Alanye | 2.24.12 @ 1:24PM
Fortunate for Romney and his admen, unfortunate for Republicans and Americans in general.
Purp| 2.24.12 @ 3:49PM
What possible reason is there to pay attention to Cain? He's over, done, dismissed. As if he has any special knowledge of politics - the one-time candidate businessman.
DTCOFAZ| 2.24.12 @ 5:26PM
"...Michigan definitely matters..." and AZ does not? What has AZ done to Herman Cain that let him picked one state as an important matter but not other? Just for that remark alone, I don't want Cain on the road with his favoritism comments. We the Arizonans treated him well when he campaigned in our state. AZ for Romney.
Al Adab| 2.24.12 @ 8:30PM
Should AZ vote for Romney, as expected, it needs to be ashamed of itself. How more untrue to the memory of Barry Goldwater could you get than to support the son of the man who so opposed Goldwater and the emergent Conservative Movement? Shame.
Anthony M| 2.24.12 @ 10:01PM
Goldwater turned out to be a liberal on social issues, so far to the left he wouldn't even get a glass of water in the Republican party today.
Patricia Teel| 2.24.12 @ 10:07PM
Please remember that this is not a religious crusade but a vote to save this wonderful country. I don't care how many wives these guys have had, I don't care if they have been accused of being unfaithful. I care that we are losing this country ! So all you moral folks get off your high horses and quit scaring away the middle of the road voters. We need them ! We have to have them and they are terrified of the "Super Christians" of the right. If Santorum wins we are going to get Obama for 4 more years. If Romney wins we are going to get Obama Lite with Mitt caving into the left every time he turns around. If Paul wins, Lord save us,enough said on him. I think the only chance we have of keeping this wonderful country is Newt. I am not happy with his marriage history but I think he is smart enough to take down Obama. Please consider more than just religion when you vote, think of your grandkids and great grand kids having to pay 80% of their paycheck to whatever government we have then if this slide is not stopped now.
The endless KGB Files| 2.24.12 @ 11:23PM
Ms. Teel, unfortunately we need a little bit of cleanliness in our politicians in the highest offices of our land. For many reasons. But for one that you will certainly understand and appreciate. Blackmail/extortion/the fears of being exposed.
If the USSR's Kremlin knows that JFK is actively copulating and being orally addressed by a 19 year old college sophomore while portraying "Camelot" to the nation and the world with the smiles in countless photos with Jackie & the kids -- think year 1962 and not 1996 with Wild Bill Clintoni -- don't you think that Kremlin Boss Khruschev has some very useful leverage?
And don't for a second think that the Ruskies might not have known not just about little Miss Muffin from Wheaton College Massachusetts who JFK is sharing with all his inner circle guy pals, they certainly knew about Marilyn Monroe.
When Khrushev leans over and says, "Mister President, in this envelope is photographs of you and your brother frolicking naked in this pool with Ms. Muffin and two of her college friends and in this one is an audio tape of, well, .... but they won't go anywhere -- you have my promise on that -- if, well, we come to an understanding on ...."
Is that really what you want? Bill Clinton made us vulnerable; this might full be well why China obtained Shuttle design and technology from us and ICBM rocket tech, specs, know-how during his administration. It might be why their air force stealth technology has also made an uncanny "great leap forward" in this past decade.
Is this really what you want? (as we think about your and our kids and grandkids, as you emphasize)
Last -- hardly any voters come here to this American Spectator site. From any spectrum of our broader voting public.
Nobody is being scared away here. Max you have 350 - 400 people per day looking through these blogs. Most yawn and move on. Most might glance at a few comments total. Actually, if someone comes here, they might read the article itself and just that. They already know that too many loons post underneath.
Baggage is always a factor. Maybe not the number one factor or the number three factor. But it has to be a factor. And it is not just who the man bedded and who bedded him or how many "love children" (a true misnomer) are out there that . It can also be things like a propensity for cocaine or heroin use or a near OD. Or two near ODs. It can also be real ties to international organized crime. It can be Sinaloa Cartel money that somehow has found a way to this candidate's Cayman's bank account. Or big oil money in a Lichtenstein account from the House of Saud. Maybe?
All these things can potentially matter.
POST American| 2.25.12 @ 12:22AM
---------------------FINAL WORD----------------------
"I am traveling the country.
I see RON PAUL stickers ---everywhere.
I see the --occasional-- Obama sticker.
I NEVER ---EVER have once seen
a Romney ---Gingrich or Santorum
sticker ---ANYWHERE. NOT ONE."
-ALEX JONES
(yesterday)
And NOW, word is out:
MAJOR, even MASSIVE, voter frraud
in Iowa, South Carolina, Florida, Nevada
-----and NOW Maine.
Major and MASSIVE ---and covered up
by the major corporate Globalist media.
And as panic spreads among their
'sick--o--fan--ts' and PSYCHO-phants,
reports have it that even Globalist
FAKE OP 'populist' FOX 'News'
is being threatened and under blackmail.
MEANWHILE
----The passage of the blatantly, brazenly
ANTI-Constitutional NDAA 1021
(ie secret arrests/ EXILE/ execution)
a couple of months ago
-------Pelosi's call for TOTAL surveillance,
monitoring and data collection while
visiting RED China
---------Sitting justice Ginzburg's act
of TREASON, dissing the American
Constitution, while visiting 'E--jipped'
-------------TSA rolling out -everywhere-
-----------------MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD
---SO!
AS FUKISHIMA continues to melt down
----while 9 out of 10 nuclear plants here
are reported to be leaking
----while the EPA raises
'acceptable levels' by tens of thousands of %-----consider
"When your time comes
------------------WHAT WILL YOU DO?"
-'IKIRU'
(Kurosawa's 1952 film)
--------------YOUR TIME HAS COME-----------------
Clint| 2.25.12 @ 5:25AM
Dr.Ron Paul's Plan To Sstore America.
http://c3244172.r72.cf0.rackcd.....caPlan.pdf
Mike Hawk| 2.25.12 @ 5:51PM
Murray Rothbard, Ron Paul's ideological mentor died in 1995.
In a tribute to Rothbard after his death, Congressman Ron Paul wrote:
"I loved talking to this down-to-earth genius. And he told me he enjoyed meeting a Congressman who had not only read his books, but used them as a guide in his votes and legislation. A close and lasting friendship was the result, which wasn't hard. Murray was the sweetest, funniest, most generous of men."
A moving tribute to a man who came to hate conservatism; a man who railed against the traditionalist philosophy, the virtues espoused by the father of modern conservatism Edmund Burke, the father of American conservatism Russell Kirk, and the greatest promoter of American conservatism William F. Buckley, Jr.
Upon the death of Murray Rothbard, William F. Buckley had this to write:
Murray Rothbard, age 68, died on January 7. We extend condolences to his family, but not to the movement he inspired....
Murray Rothbard had defective judgment. It pains even to recall it, but in 1959 when Khrushchev arrived in New York, with much of America stunned by the visit of the butcher of Budapest -- the Soviet protege of Stalin who was threatening a world war over Berlin -- Rothbard physically applauded Khrushchev in his limousine as it passed by on the street. He gave as his reason for this that, after all, Krushchev had killed fewer people than General Eisenhower, his host.
http://www.americanthinker.com.....ans_1.html
Ron Paul is a crackpot.
Occam's Tool| 2.25.12 @ 7:03PM
Nikita then, Iranians now. Moron, meet moron.
Clint| 2.26.12 @ 8:15AM
Milton Friedman,Nobel Prize Economist,
"I strongly support Ron Paul. We very badly need to have more Representatives who understand in a principled way the importance of property rights and religious freedom."
" George Will, "Today, we have a very different kind of foreign policy. It’s called Wilsonian. And the premise of the Bush Doctrine is that America must spread democracy, because our national security depends upon it. And America can spread democracy. It knows how. It can engage in national building. This is conservative or not?"
William F. Buckley, " It’s not at all conservative. It’s anything but conservative. It’s not conservative at all, inasmuch as conservatism doesn’t invite unnecessary challenges. It insists on coming to terms with the world as it is …”
The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To A Brokered Convention.
Mike Hawk| 2.26.12 @ 1:54PM
Being as Milton Friedman died in 2006, this cannot be construed to be an endrsement for this campaign. As for the other two, what is your point?? WF Buckley was no Ron Paul fan and George Will is no conservative.
martin j smith| 2.25.12 @ 9:10AM
What ever happens in Michiguna Romney still have a weak support.The moth will show at least close to 60% NOT ROMNEY.
Tenn Slim| 2.25.12 @ 9:17AM
Glad to read that Herman C is still active.
OPINE
Santorumn, + Newt + (The electorate is still sort of all over the place.") = a RNC Convention that will hearken back to the days of Eisenhower, Nixon and the Old Line Conservatives of that era.
We desparately need a Conservative, gutsy, dedicated to saving the US, Candidate. There are multiple thousands of US Electorate voters waiting, sittin on their hands for such. This forum and others is the tip of the angst level of Conservativism.
W/O such a Candidate, RECC you all gather the kids and the survivor pack, cause 2013 and on will be dedicated to YOUR demise.
Semper FI
Pat| 2.25.12 @ 6:29PM
For some Republicans, the fact Romney was endorsed by the Detroit Free Press should give considerable pause. The Free Press’s senior editors have agreed with Obama 112 times out of the last 100 times he read his speech off the teleprompter but they sincerely believe Romney is the right choice – for Republicans that is, they believe Obama is the right and only choice for America. So, Santorum deserves a second look based on the Detroit Free Press endorsement alone but he’s also touting his plan to reinvigorate America – sounds like a good plan too until you remember this is merely campaign rhetoric and hasn’t a snowball’s chance of being enacted. The good folks of Michigan are also enjoying being the brief center of attention, it’s a welcome change from being the objects of derision, pity and the sneaking suspicion they’d like nothing better than to continue picking the collective pockets of the nation’s taxpayers.
Romney is sort of an ersatz favorite son in Michigan and he’s spouting inspiring stuff like Detroit should be the car capital of the world – no, it’s not a 1955 flashback, he knows how to motivate southeast Michiganders based on his native son heritage. The fact that Detroit hasn’t a prayer of replacing Japan or Germany as a center for world-wide automotive dominance isn’t important, this is campaign talk, it’s not meant to be taken seriously but we love it anyway. That Toyota alone is exponentially more financially secure and economically powerful than General Motors, even after the UAW inspired bailout, isn’t relevant in political campaign speechs. We judge candidates based on their personal sincerity and obvious good intentions, not on any reasonable connection with the real world.
And, as we drag ourselves through another presidential campaign, we’ll hear more fantastic claims, outright nonsense and heartfelt good intentions which will never be realized should the candidate win the White House. To get in on the fun, perhaps The American Spectator should consider endorsing Obama – for the Democratic Party nomination that is.
POST American| 2.26.12 @ 10:29PM
-------------------BOTTOM LINE------------------------
DROP that FOX News label 'Tea Party'
------TAKE UP the BANNER of LIberty.
------------The American LIBERTY Party------------
"Notice once again, as the REAL
campaign approaches, the REAL
issues 'disappear'."
In this, the 11th hour of the
Globalist RED China handover
and USURY-finance takeover---
GO for the head of the serpent:
the ultra rich, TAX FREE, republic
subverting, EUGENICS mongering
'chair--'IT'--Abel' foundations and
NGOs.
This IS a seperation of church and
state issue that far, far, far dwarfs
even the corruption and reach of
the old catholic theocracy.
----The foundations, NGOs and sundry
capstone occult 'societies' have to be
brought out into the sun, prosecuted
and dis-mantled with ALLLLLLLLL
possible X--speediency.
-----------------IN THE NAME OF LIBERTY---------
Proud Mormon| 2.27.12 @ 6:14AM
You right-wing zealots cease to amaze me, Romney sweep on Tuesday, wins most of Super Tuesday, is the GOP nominee and the next President. Be useful Tea Party elect GOP senators instead of carping about Mitt.