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Support Your Jewish Republican

By Ross Kaminsky on 2.17.12 @ 6:10AM

They may become less rare if David Storobin has anything to say about it.

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And that came despite the loser Weprin’s being an Orthodox Jew versus Turner’s Catholic faith, running in the “most Jewish” congressional district in the nation with estimates averaging about 1/3 of the Congressional district’s population being Jewish. Brooklyn’s Jewish Voice magazine endorsed the Catholic Turner, further showing that Jews don’t just “vote for the Jewish guy” in the same way that, for example, blacks came out in historic numbers and percentages for Barack Obama.

Still, it’s closer to that sort of behavior among most Jews than it should be. If many modern Jews’ first religion is liberalism, their voting record show it: Jews have averaged about 78 percent support for the Democratic candidate in presidential races going back to 1992. No Republican candidate other than Dwight Eisenhower (in his 1956 re-election) has reached 40 percent of the Jewish vote since Warren Harding in 1920.

Polls suggest that Jewish support for Republicans was 30 percent in the 2010 elections, still a disappointing number but a substantial increase from just two years earlier and a move which, if maintained, could pose problems for Democrats in swing states such as Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Florida.

In response to questions for this article, Storobin offered some insight into the Orthodox Russian Jewish community he seeks to represent:

Orthodox Jews, being deeply religious, are very socially conservative, which stands in stark contrast to the secular American Jewish community. Meanwhile, Russian Jews reject all talk of income redistribution from liberals because it is something they saw in its full form in the Soviet Union, and they saw the disastrous results of it.

Interestingly enough, the media ignores this segment of the Jewish population. When they say that 78% of Jews voted for Obama, they ignore these two groups that voted 80%+ for McCain. But these are the two groups of Jews who are growing, while Secular American Jews are collapsing in number every generation.

Imagine if Jewish communities in New York City and elsewhere actually had well-spoken conservative Jews to vote for, during this age of frustration with — or outright disdain for — an American president who at every turn suggests a preference for the Muslim world over our nation’s only true ally in the Middle East. Perhaps resistance to the Democrats’ Borg-like hold on the political souls of American Jews need not be futile after all.

David Storobin’s candidacy represents an opportunity, especially in a city and state with a large Jewish population, to show Jewish voters and potential Jewish candidates that Republican Jewish politicians do not only exist in the daydreams of pundits and the nightmares of Chuck Schumer.

Maybe in a future Family Feud episode, at least a few people will be able to name one more elected Jewish Republican.

(In an unusual footnote to this election, there is a possibility that the district will be redistricted out of existence by a proposed Republican New York Senate redistricting map that would otherwise reduce Democrats’ political power in Brooklyn. Democrats are crying foul and predicting that “it’s unlikely the proposed lines will be adopted.” The possibility of the district’s disappearance could limit spending on the race by both party organizations, but David Storobin campaigns on, undeterred.)

More information about David Storobin’s campaign can be found at his website.

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About the Author

Ross Kaminsky is a self-employed trader and investor and is a senior fellow of the Heartland Institute. He is the host of The Ross Kaminsky Show on Denver’s NewsRadio 850 KOA at 11 AM on most Sundays. You can reach Ross by e-mail at rossputin(at)rossputin(dot)com.

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Jack in Wi.| 2.17.12 @ 6:37AM

Jews are far more trouble then they worth to the Republican Party and conservative movement. They vote in large numbers fro the most liberal candidate and give the Democrats a huge amount of their campaign funds. Israel is not and never will be anything but an albatross around the necks of the USA. The Jewish contingent in Washington is by far the most pro-abortion group around, with the possible exception of Cantor. I think it is long past time for group outreach. If we are to win Jewish votes it has always been by giving them arguments for a sound economy. Give people ideas that are sound then perhaps we can get some of their votes. This pandering to the Israeli Lobby by Republicans is insane. We never get many votes out of it and it costs the country untold loss of blood and treasure. The tiny number of Jews who vote Republican is probably less then 1% of our vote. Yet they have far more influence then the prolife 80% of parties base vote.

Frank Drackman| 2.17.12 @ 7:14AM

Jack in WI, if that really is your name.
And I know its not, your name sounds like the noise my Dog makes when he's sick, eats his own vomitus, and throws it back up.
If it wasn't for Jewish Republicans like me, kicking the A-rab's Asses in Desert Storm, you know, the War you didn't fight in for either side, you'd have to hide your pediofilia.
I mean Homo-Feel-ya.
And if your not a Homo, you like the 3 Stooges Right?
All Christ Killers, even Shemp.
And what Hetero-Sexual doesn't like Natalie Portman?, Scarlett Johansen?,
OK, I know you have all Audrey Hepburn's Boxed Sets complete with Director's comentary, and you cry at the end of "Breakfast at Tiffany's", your still queer as a Football Bat.
And if your the Right Wing Christian I'd bet my gargantuan left nut you are, it was MY ancestor who saved your Soul.
YOUR ancestors were the ones who literally crucified him, and don't give me none of your Identity Bullshit, I've seen "The Greatest Story ever Told"
So go get your Shine Box, Homo.

Frank Drackman, Christ-Killer

Jack in Wi.| 2.17.12 @ 7:41AM

Frank you are a typical Zionist name caller and nonsense spinner. 80% of the Jewish vote goes Democrat and has for many decades. They give huge amounts to the Democrat party, up to 60% of their funds. As Ross above here says, the best people to get Jewish votes are people like Harding and Eisenhower who make economic sense, and don't pander to the Israeli Lobby. Eisenhower kicked Israel back behind their borders in 1956 and still got a lot of Jewish votes.Israel is nothing but a loser for America. The sooner we realize it and get out of the Middle East the better. Let Israel learn how to live in the neighborhood it stole, or let it go out of business. It has always been a bad idea, getting worse everyday.

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 8:09AM

I knew your festering hatred would be smeared all over this article like shit on a rest stop bathroom. You never disappoint with your bigotry, Jack. Not once. At least you're consistent about being a bigot & a putz.

Timothy L. Pennell| 2.17.12 @ 9:26AM

Hey, Con Chef. How much you wanna bet, this story gets 500 Comments? And 300 of them will be from Jack and Clint.

I don't know what either one of them looks like, but I would bet the farm, that their eyes got as Bis as Frisbees, when they saw that Title.

Clint is probably STILL cleaning up the Fruit Loops he spit out all over his Mom's computer desk.

p.s. - I think you left out Alan Brooks' name, from your Rest Stop Bathroom analogy.

Try this: "I knew your festering hatred would be all over this article, like Alan Brooks sitting in a Lawn Chair, next to the last Urinal, all the way against the far wall, away from the light, in a Rest Stop Bathroom."

Yes?

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 9:32AM

You're undoubtedly correct on all fronts. These web fingered, inbred, meth head shithooks are nothing, if not predictable.

"Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity."...Bullet Tooth Tony, "Snatch"

Clint| 2.17.12 @ 9:35AM

Ya Wanna Know What I Look Like Coward Pennall, Show Up At Our Valley Forge Tea Party Patriots Meeting And Find Out, Bloviatin' Foghorn Leghorn Coward Mouthfighter.

The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To A Brokered Convention.

Frank Drackman | 2.17.12 @ 9:58AM

Clit, you oughta save your breath,
you'll need it to blow up your (Anatomically Correct) Cabbage Patch Kids doll.

Frank

Clint| 2.17.12 @ 10:13AM

Make Me, Israel Firster Smear Bund Bigot Coward, Dorkmeister.

The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To A Brokered Convention.

Frank Drackman | 2.17.12 @ 10:30AM

Make you blow up your Anatomically Correct Cabbage Patch Kids Doll?
Why "Make" you do something you do everyday anyway?
Its like when kids say "Go Ahead, Say Something"
How about DON'T blow up your anatomically correct cabbage patch kids doll?
And I know you've stopped tryin to blow the real life kids,
well you had to, with that broken jaw and everythang...

Frank

Mike Hawk | 2.17.12 @ 10:48AM

Clint is a TPINO. If he showed up at a VF TP event he'd get bounced out on his arse.

Clint| 2.17.12 @ 2:56PM

That's A Lie.

You're A Liar, Hawk.

Come To A Valley Forge Patriots Tea Party Meeting And Say It To My Face, Coward Hawk.

You Know Where To Find Our Meetings.

DevilDog| 2.17.12 @ 10:37AM

show up at OUR place.

in otherwords, pocketlint will have OTHERS to hide behind.

he REFUSES neutral ground and one on one meeting.

like all typical progs, gutlessness is a requirement

Clint| 2.17.12 @ 2:58PM

Devils Crack Was Scarred To Show Up At Our Meetings.

You're A Coward, Devil's Crack.

JJ| 2.17.12 @ 2:16PM

Where Ron Paul will sell you out to Mitt Romney.

DevilDog| 2.17.12 @ 10:41AM

i thought pocketlints used an obama blowup doll? so pocketlint has truned in obama for youth?

Clint| 2.17.12 @ 3:00PM

I Used Your Old Lady Sugar Pockets.

The Tea Party Rebellion Steps On Sugar pockets Devil's Plumber Crack Again.

Anthony| 2.17.12 @ 11:19AM

Too funny Frank!!!

Frank Drackman | 2.17.12 @ 12:45PM

There's just somethin about Clit and his BFF Jack that bring out my inner Henny Carlin...
and Clit's so stupid the "D""U"and "H" keys on his computer are worn out...
Seriously, there was this dumbass in High School, who thought "DUH" was a real word.
oh wait, that was me,

Frank

Clint| 2.17.12 @ 3:04PM

I'm Just Helping You To Expose Your Inner Jonathan Pollard, Dork Weenie.

The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To a Brokered Convention.

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 3:37PM

You expose your inner Robert Hanssen every time you hit the "submit" or "reply" button, Lip Spliff.

Alan Brooks| 2.17.12 @ 10:46PM

"The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To a Brokered Convention."

Good. In such a case Obama is sure to be re-elected!

Dick Nome| 2.19.12 @ 8:54AM

Clint has a Ron Paul blowup doll.

Dick Nome| 2.19.12 @ 2:24PM

Clint, If you showed up at a VF Tea Party meeting and instigated anything like you threaten, I'm sure they'd throw your puerile sorry ass out. You are a blowhard crybaby.

Alan Brooks| 2.17.12 @ 10:49PM

"p.s. - I think you left out Alan Brooks' name, from your Rest Stop Bathroom analogy."

I knew I'd end up your buttboy, Tim. Poke away!

Frank Drackman | 2.17.12 @ 8:34AM

Jack in Wi,
notice you didn't refute my claim that your a closet Homo, I mean "Breakfast at Tiffany's" fan.
First of all, I'd have to look up "Zionist" to know what it means, all I know, is its what you Homos, I mean A-rabs call us all the time, its sort of like "Liver Lips" which I still dont understand.
Harding? Eisenhower? way to be topical Moses, and what about those 58' Edsels?
And I don't have grudges, bought a used GSP Crown Vic for my daughter, and an overpriced Nazi-Mobile for my JAP-y wife, hey, when GM makes a decent Rear Wheel Drive Sedan I'll buy one.
And I drive a 95 Z28 and an 08', Oh I'm sorry, an "Ought-Eight" ZO6, both 6-speeds, and yes, they both have rear main seal leaks.
Jeez-Us, what IS it with GM, they've been makin small-block V-8's for 50+ years, and they still leak .
OK, I only buy Jap bikes, when Detroit makes one that isn't overpriced Jack-Shee-Ot I'll buy one.
And are you really Helen Thomas in Drag? YOU effin move back to Poland, you dick-less Peter Puffer.

Frank "Zion THIS" Drackman

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 8:50AM

Clint calls Jack "lip spliff." Its his pet name for his boyfriend. They're both starring in an upcoming movie, "Brokeback Klansmen."

Clint| 2.17.12 @ 9:09AM

Leave Me Out Of Your Religious Bigots Food Fight Israel Firster Smear Bund Bigot Coward, Con Job Frankel.

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 9:22AM

Why should I, "sugar pockets?" You & Jackboot are brothers in Jew hating ignorance.

"Wanna try & MAKE me, cupcake?"

Adolf H.| 2.17.12 @ 9:30AM

Leaf clit alone, Chew tresh! I vill make him in charch off mein NEW final zolution, und he vill shtart viss you!

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 9:34AM

Snicker!

Clint| 2.17.12 @ 9:41AM

Because You're A 4-F Neo-Chickenhawk Israel Firster Smear Bund Bigot Coward, Con Job Frankel.

You Know Where To Find Me, Coward Con Job Frankel

The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To A Brokered Convention.

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 9:57AM

As you do me, Herr KKKlint.

Have a nice day, putz.

Clint| 2.17.12 @ 10:15AM

Get Bent, 4-F Neo-Chickenhawk Israel Firster Smear Bund Bigot Coward, Con Job Frankel.

The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To A Brokered Convention.

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 10:33AM

YAWN!

Clint| 2.17.12 @ 3:31PM

Zzzzzzzzzzzz !

DevilDog| 2.17.12 @ 10:52AM

pocketlint.

a brokered convention?

go ALLEN WEST! a real veteran and NOT a REMF like ron paulista

Clint| 2.17.12 @ 3:35PM

" Dr. Ron Paul served in the United States Air Force as a flight surgeon for several years (1963-1965). While in the air force, Paul reached the rank of Captain. Directly after his service in the air force, Paul worked again as a flight surgeon for the United States Air National Guard (1965-1968).

" Paul served as a flight surgeon in the U.S. Air Force in the 1960s, spending time on the ground in countries like Ethiopia, Iran, Pakistan, South Korea, and Turkey. He also sits on the House Committee on Foreign Affairs."

The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To A Brokered Convention.

Occam's Tool| 2.17.12 @ 2:27PM

I don't know where to find you, Clint. From what I see here, you are never where you say you will be, just as the major commanded the 38th through 90% of its fights, not the Colonel.

Clint| 2.17.12 @ 3:10PM

We Know Where To Find You, Little Short, Fat Agin' Israel Firster Neo-Chickenhawk Coward ,Tool Job.

Shaggin' Bibi's Pet Goat, Pollard Butt.

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 3:38PM

Oooh! Cyber threats are SO SCARY!

Clint| 2.17.12 @ 6:11PM

Israel Firster Smear Bund Neo-Chickenhawk Cowards Like You, Con Job Frankel Ain't.

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 8:40PM

Nor are you, Lip Spliff. Nor are you. Your're more funny than you are scary. If nothing else, you're a great source of amusement & fun to ridicule.

You're a great advertisement for your candidate! Don't ever change, Clinty!

Ross Kaminsky | 2.17.12 @ 9:40AM

Frank, take it easy. You're doing your best to make Clint look good with comments like that.

Clint| 2.17.12 @ 9:57AM

Hey, Kaminsky, I Got No Dog In This Religious Bigots Girlie Purse Swingin' Joke Of A Fight.

Move Along, Girl.

Occam's Tool| 2.17.12 @ 2:26PM

Ross, do you remember the scene in Red Dwarf where the superior to both Lister and Rimmer is telling Lister to respect his superior if possible. and Lister's response is to tell the Superior, "I try and try, sir, but it's difficult, you see, because Rimmer is such a smeghead."

Rimmer blusters, and then the superior says, "But Rimmer, he's right. You are a smeghead."

One can have perfectly lovely conversations with Frank, as he's a decent fellow with a great knowledge of motorcycles. And, as you know, I am normally, like Inspector Dreyfuss, very nice and pleasant, with compliments for everyone, except around Clouseau (Clint and Jack). Clint, as Tim*, was once booted off this site for being an ass. Jack also contributes nothing except bile and swinishness. Red Phillips, on the other hand, tends to be a Paulbot with a modicum of manners, and Quatermaster, despite his judenhass streak, is generally decent. But you really need to think about booting Clint off the site again, Ross. Other than Jack, no one likes him and he has the reasoning skills of a rabid wolverine.

Clint| 2.17.12 @ 3:15PM

The Isreal Firster Smear Bund Crybabies Think They Control & Manipulate The Media.

Ya Don't & Ya Can't.

Aaaaand,

Bibi Calls Tool Job, Rimmer.

Guess Why.

The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To a Brokered Convention.

Clint| 2.17.12 @ 9:54AM

Again, You Religious Bigots Are Tryin' To Draw Me Into Your Little Bigot-Girlies Purse Swingin' Hair Pullin' Fight And I Want No Part Of It.

You're A Bigot Punk Dorkman.

Ross Kaminsky | 2.17.12 @ 10:01AM

Clint,

Just to be clear: I'm not saying that Frank is wrong about you. Your comments routinely bring down the level of discussion on these pages.

I'm just saying by using that sort of language he might cause people to miss the point about your needing some intense therapy.

Clint| 2.17.12 @ 10:09AM

Like I Said, Kaminsky, Take Your Religiuos Bigot-Girlie Purse Swingin', Hair Pullin' Fight Somewhere Else, I Want No Part Of It.

Move Along Bigot Punk.

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 10:14AM

Funny. He writes for this magazine/website, & you're telling him to "move along." If you "want no part" of this debate, then don't post here & ignore it, bigot.

"A wise man speaks because he has something; a fool, because he must say something."...Plato

Thanks for illustrating the point.

Clint| 2.17.12 @ 10:17AM

Make Me 4-F Neo-Chickenhawk Israel Firster Smear Bund Bigot Coward, Con Job Frankel.

The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To A Brokered Convention.

Adolf H.| 2.17.12 @ 10:40AM

Clit, Clit, Clit - you heff zo much enger! Ziss iss perrfect! I again offfer you a pozition in mein "edminstration" - I promize you you ken punisch these Chewish fools!

Clint| 2.17.12 @ 3:17PM

Tell It To The Stern Gang, Israel Firster Smear Bund Crybaby.

Avraham Stern and his followers announced that

“The NMO, which is well-acquainted with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its authorities towards Zionist activity inside Germany and towards Zionist emigration plans, is of the opinion that:

1. Common interests could exist between the establishment of a new order in Europe in conformity with the German concept, and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as they are embodied by the NMO.

2. Cooperation between the new Germany and a renewed folkish-national Hebraium would be possible and,

3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power in the Near East.

Proceeding from these considerations, the NMO in Palestine, under the condition the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Israeli freedom movement are recognized on the side of the German Reich, offers to actively take part in the war on Germany’s side.”

DevilDog| 2.17.12 @ 10:20AM

of course pocketlint wants no part of any fight. he would have to grow a pair first.

since he is in the geinnus book of records as the biggest coward to ever exist....

purse swinging? so now pocketlint likes to project

pocketlint swings like obama pitches, cant even make it to the plate

Clint| 2.17.12 @ 3:19PM

Anytime Coward, Devil's Crack.

You No Where To Find Me, Keyboard Commando Coward.

Ross Kaminsky | 2.17.12 @ 10:21AM

How am I a bigot, Clint?

For someone who wants no part of something, you sure do make a lot of noise, sort of like my 4-year old having a tantrum.

Clint| 2.17.12 @ 2:52PM

What Are Ya Gonna Do About It, Bigot Punk, Kaminsky ?

The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To A Brokered Convention.

Frank Drackman | 2.17.12 @ 10:27AM

Clit, if that really is your name,
and I'm not sayin I wouldn't have turned Homo if my parents named me after a female sexual organ,
heck, its better than "Penis"(Insert Common Redneck Surname here)
and I like Jack Boots(On Women, hey, you like whats you likes) Dobermans, and anythang by Wagner, Beethoven, or KMFDM.
and I can Sprechen die Freaky Deaky Deutsch like a Mutterficker.
and BTW, Du hast "Religious" falsch Buchstabiert, Du Schwuler.
get one of your Boyfriends to translate that for ya...
or tell Clara to get off the Party Line, log on to Compuserve, and try your Google-Translate...

Frank

Clint| 2.17.12 @ 3:27PM

I'm Just Allowin' You To Expose Yourself To American Spectator Readers, Sick Pollard.

Alan| 2.17.12 @ 10:48AM

I don't think anybody is going to miss that point Ross!

Ross Kaminsky | 2.17.12 @ 12:59PM

I don't think so either, Alan.

USSAlabama| 2.17.12 @ 10:56AM

There is no 'level of discussion' once the trolls get going.

A right to free speech does not cover all speech, believe it or not - and the inflammatory 'hate speech' spewed by some who are allowed to comment here goes too far.

All who read and comment seriously at Spectator would benefit from this excellent site that lays bare the flame disorder personality and how to deal with it - I just wish AS would ban some of them.

http://www.flayme.com/troll/

Alan| 2.17.12 @ 11:11AM

Totally agree, sadly its Thunderdome here and AS doesn't really give a crap about its message boards or how they look. They are sad little people who need their daily dose of attention and it doesn't matter what kind and it shows a lack of really anything else to do with their time. Its also an addiction.

USSAlabama| 2.17.12 @ 11:33AM

Furthermore, I often or occasionally recommend articles here and the comments are sometimes absolutely embarrassing.

There are times that I will not recommend articles due to the comments. This is probably true for many readers.

The presence of trolls is often expected. It certainly looks nicer to a new reader to see that those have been ignored. But to those newer to the world of internet news - it is shocking and offputting.

Some should just not appear. For those used to reading columns on the internet and getting their news there, they may overlook it - but more than 60% of the general population does not yet use internet for news and opinion.

Allowing trolls free reign is a sure way to curtail future viewership.

MM| 2.17.12 @ 11:38AM

Since this is widely seen as a valid disorder, I don't see why they are allowed to stay on after they have posted some of the things a few of these write.

I don't have to allow people with mental disorders spouting off in my place of business . If that happened I would be expected to call the police.

Alan| 2.17.12 @ 12:01PM

Exactly, having the ravings of a Jew hating paranoid psychcotic and the ravings of another psychcotic with an I have no life attention craving disorder on your message board doesn't really add a whole lot but more disorder. AS obviously doesn't care despite their threat to care in their warning. You can't break any rules here, there are none.

Jeamar| 2.17.12 @ 6:03PM

USSAlabama et.al: Gentlemen this discussion has been an eye-opener to me. I have been totally ignorant of trolls, flamers, etc. and guilty of posting on this site without an invitation. I looked up internet forum on Google to become more educated. I do regularly get my news on the internet and have seen some sites that ask one to register to use but not at AS. I too have wondered where some of the more sensible posters I used to see here are. OK now. Is this site "invitation only"? and how does one know this. I assumed AS site was public like a letters to the ed. thing. I'm obviously an old dog but not averse to learning the tricks of this site.

USSAlabama| 2.17.12 @ 8:30PM

Jeamar, you are fine. All readers are welcome to post here.

The internet is just not so old as to have a fine distinction regarding what is a forum and when we are just replying to an article; which is essentially what we do here - but the site owners have rules, and it is at this time that we need to see enforcement.

Jeamar| 2.17.12 @ 10:06PM

Thanks USSAl...I feel much better.

MM| 2.17.12 @ 12:15PM

Excellent link -- A word to AS from said link:

"There are two rules for moderators that you ignore at your peril:

You loyalty is to the forum, no member is above that
Whatever a troll does, you can undo much more quickly"

Also:

"Forums never manage themselves; trolls come and go, as do other problems. There's plenty of other forums, so if you do not invest enough time, members will vote with their feet. A troll should never be able to destroy a forum."

There used to be many more voices here - with interesting contributions.

Where are THEY?

MM| 2.17.12 @ 12:23PM

One more quote from USSAlabama's link:

"Nobody wants to lose members, but if you are slow to ban, it's the other members - the good ones - that you'll lose. Plus the lurkers who will never join. If a member is upsetting the forum, they are out."

It only takes one click.

Where are so many of the worthy contributors we once had? How many visitors never join? Or worse, never even return to read the articles?

Patriot| 2.17.12 @ 12:49PM

Suggestion:

editor@spectator.org

Alan| 2.17.12 @ 1:01PM

I tried that twice and asked about the moderator and if their was one and never received any reply either time.

Patriot| 2.17.12 @ 1:13PM

They read the emails.

Enough regular members will need to write. Please do not sign emails with a screen name, but you may include it under your own name if you'd like to.

One problem is that a majority of those who regularly post valid and helpful comments will not read far enough down through these to ever see this.

Many will avoid the article altogether, correctly suspecting the predictable palaver that would follow.

Mac Jehoff| 2.18.12 @ 7:38AM

So did I, Alan, and the response was vacuous as well.

Frank Drackman | 2.17.12 @ 12:28PM

Yeah, whats up with all these Trolls?
And whats supposed to be so insulting about calling someone a "Troll" you could call them something really sick, preverted, and disgusting, like Ted Kennedy,
oh I'm sorry, something really GAY, sick, preverted, and disgusting, like Clit.
I mean Clint.
I love the little dude in the boat...

Frank

Occam's Tool| 2.17.12 @ 2:29PM

USS---I love everything Alabaman, you know---even taught at UA med school for a while. I only flame Clint and Jack, you know.

USSAlabama| 2.17.12 @ 8:37PM

Hi Occam! Wish I could have met you when you were here...be sure to let me know if you plan a visit.

Moe Blotz| 2.17.12 @ 9:06AM

Oy Frank, Chevrolet last November built their 10,000,000th small block after 60 years of production. Better fix that rear main before your clutches get slippery.

Timothy L. Pennell| 2.17.12 @ 9:28AM

How apt, that a guy named MOE, would appear during all of this HOMO stuff.

Coincidence?

Frank Drackman | 2.17.12 @ 9:39AM

TIMM-AH!!
If the greatest Moe of all time, Moe Howard was still alive, he'd Jap-Slap you back to the 6th Century.
Which would be really humiliating, cause he'd be like 120 years old.

Frank

Moe Blotz| 2.17.12 @ 10:10AM

Where is Ben Dover when you need him? I am still waiting for Alan's answer on the sausage question.

Alan Brooks| 2.18.12 @ 6:30PM

"Where is Ben Dover"

Bob Denver? he's on the island with the Howells-Thurston just wrote a check for 100 grand to the RNC, and Lovey is donating her poodles to charity.

Moe Blotz| 2.17.12 @ 10:12AM

Give us a kiss, Timmy.

Fred Farkel| 2.17.12 @ 10:57AM

Ho Moe! Fixing that main seal leak is pretty easy we should tell them. As long as they don't mind getting a little greeezzy and maybe getting their little fingers nicked.

Frank Drackman | 2.17.12 @ 12:47PM

Shee-ot Fred,
I've repaired more nasty cracks than whoever fixed your mom's vagina after you busted out of it...
You gotta fix your own rear main seal though...

Frank

Fred Farkel| 2.18.12 @ 8:15AM

Hey, Frank, I did not insult you or cast aspersions on your mechanical ability. I'm a small block engine guy and would assume you can replace a main seal. Maybe you have a leaky one in your noggin. My comment was for the uninformed.

Jack in Wi.| 2.17.12 @ 10:21AM

You prove my point Frank you and the other hasbara people are nothing but name callers and nonsense spinners. I used to live in a heavily Jewish neighborhood for many years. Most Jews that I know are liberals who hate conservaive Christians, although they may like indivigual ones. The Jews were against the invasion of Iraq by the heaviest percentage by polling. I never met a Jew who wants us to attack Iran except the crazies like you on this webb site. I know some Jews who tend to vote Republican. Almost all are people who do it for economic reasons, as I stated in my previous posts. Israel is a loser for Republicans. Obama will get the vast majority of Jewish votes. They love the guy.

Alan| 2.17.12 @ 10:33AM

Hers comes the heavily choreographed "I lived in a heavily Jewish Neighborhood, I have lunch everyday with a Jew, My best friends are Jews" drivel, ad nauseum!

Occam's Tool| 2.17.12 @ 2:17PM

So, you hate Jews because most of them don't want to attack Iran or go into Iraq, which are your same positions. Jack, you are an ignoramus.

Alan Brooks| 2.17.12 @ 10:39PM

"Obama will get the vast majority of Jewish votes. They love the guy."

Because Obama is the best candidate since Reagan; the Bushes were merely two bridges between
i) Reagan and Clinton;
and
ii) Clinton and Obama.

Fred Farkel| 2.17.12 @ 10:54AM

Have a heart. Clint lost his new tinfoil hat and his candidate has tanked. He isn't doing too well right now
ROmney/ Paul , that's the ticket. Join in now.

Anthony| 2.17.12 @ 11:48AM

Frank, you are soooo on a roll today, I can't resist:
So Frank, how JAP-y is your wife??

Frank Drackman | 2.17.12 @ 12:17PM

She's so Jap-y she had me circum-sized at Benny-Hannah's.
Whoa!!
oh wait, that was my Mom, who might be the only Jewish graduate of Dresden Highschool.
And not the one in Ohio, the other place with lots of former Nazis..
no, not Long Goy-land.
Seriously, you look up "Jap" in the dictionary, you see her picture,
like if you look up "racist homo" you see Clit...
and who doesn't like seein some Clit?
Whoa!
Little Boy Blue...
he needed the Money!
Whoa!

Frank "Dice" Drackman

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 12:33PM

Dude, you've GOTTA start posting "SPEW ALERTS" when you write posts like this! I almost sprayed dip spit all over my monitor!!!

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

Anthony| 2.17.12 @ 1:01PM

Whoa, Henny Carlin, you're on fire today!!!.
With such piss and vinegar, it looks like you're still getting the residual benes from your Valentine's Day gift to wifey.
So Frank, how many days pleasure does a Benz get you, and does it come with a hands free emery board??
Thanks for the laughs today pal, I needed them!!!

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 1:06PM

We Hebrews don't drive Nazi boxes like BMWs & Benzes. We drive Acuras & Lexae (plural of Lexus)!

:-)

Frank Drackman | 2.17.12 @ 1:13PM

Its a BMW, thank you very little, you know, the "Ultimate Driving Machine"(yeah, right)
and if Ford would have named the Pinto the "Ultimate Driving Machine" tripled the price, and made all the heavy duty wear parts as weak as possible with still allowing the car to make it off the lot, they'd still be sellin em'
and 2-14 ended with a happy ending, like it usually does.
I mean how can jerkin off not have a happy ending.
Thats right, Mrs. Drackman's cut me down to twice a month,
I'm lucky 2 other guys she cut off completely...
Whoa!

Frank

Hugo Stiglitz| 2.17.12 @ 8:52AM

"Say aufweidersain to your Nazi ballsss!"

Frank Drackman | 2.17.12 @ 8:53AM

Inglorious Basterds Kicks Ass...

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 9:04AM

I LOVE that movie!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REDwfnI2s4s

James| 2.17.12 @ 9:26AM

Now you did it Ross, now you really went and did it. Your obviously working for the Isreali Propaganda Ministry and lobbed a big fat banana into the Jew hating monkey cage to set him up. Now we have to walk by, watch him eat his banana and throw his anti-semetic feces at anybody who walks by and his cage keeper(Clint) has to clean it up for him. Thats cold Ross.

Ross Kaminsky | 2.17.12 @ 9:45AM

James, sometimes the zookeeper just has to tease the animals a little bit on an otherwise quiet day...and then dodge the projectiles.

Occam's Tool| 2.17.12 @ 2:15PM

Eisenhower later regretted that, and relied on Israeli help later in his term in Lebanon.

But you, Jack, are a cowardly jihadi cocksucker, and always have been and always will be.

Dick Nome | 2.17.12 @ 8:44AM

Jack, you are a bloody vicious Anti-Semite. Rot in your own bile.

Adolf H.| 2.17.12 @ 9:28AM

Ja, gut, Chack. I musst den tell you dat Chews are too much trouble, periot. Dot iss vy I implemented de final zolution. You shoult try it, too, und besst off luck!

W| 2.17.12 @ 9:50AM

Jack
Your idea of outreach to Jewish voters is to give them arguments for a sound economy, what exactly do you mean?
You said your first vote was for Barry Goldwater in 1964. You do know that Barry was Jewish.
The Reps usually get 10 to 20% of the Jewish vote, and I believe GWB got more. Giuliani did well with the Jewish voters.

William R| 2.17.12 @ 10:23AM

Golwater was an Episcopalian. His father was a Jew, mother Episcopalian.

DevilDog| 2.17.12 @ 10:16AM

albatross?

was a ships goodluck until a gutless prog killed it.

so when you get your way and Israel is destroyed because of your hatred, America will suffer.

more trouble than they are worth?

you mean that you hate them and are jealous of them so you project sourgrapes

untiold blood and treasure?

lets see, blood IS the treasure. and where have Americans dies for Israel? show me where Americans have gone to war for Israel.

especially since YOU refused to ever even think of serving this nation like the gutless coward you are.

what would you know about treasure? the only treasure you know is the material kidn, because you have no soul or morals.

William R| 2.17.12 @ 10:28AM

Every election cycle I hear that Jews are moving towards Republicans but it never happens. Jews will always vote Democrat and are the money lifeblood for the party. The reason LBJ covered up the murder of 34 American sailors by Israel is because he feared American Jews would cut off the money to the party.

http://ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/ul-moorer.html

Frank Drackman | 2.17.12 @ 11:02AM

"Covered Up"
so how do you know about it?
Its like when the Schwarzes claim the White Devils invented the Hiv-ie, when if we, I mean they, really wanted to get rid of em they'd just put contraceptives in Malt Liquor...

Frank

William R| 2.17.12 @ 2:59PM

Yes, covered up. The sailors on the USS Liberty were threatened with prison time if they talked about the attack. Not one survivor has ever testified in front of a formal investigation. LBJ swept the entire thing under the rug.

Frank Drackman | 2.17.12 @ 4:06PM

get the friggin wax outta your friggin ears,
I mean crust outta your eyes,
so if it was covered up, how did you find out about it?
Did you read it somewhere, oh yeah, hooked on fonics,
Hear it some where?
Well I heard if you give a man oral sex he'll be your friend for life,
which is why I've got no friends,
and I know your still strugglign over the first word, so ask one of your 50,000 boyfriends what I said,

Frank

Bobloblaw| 2.20.12 @ 8:26AM

You can always tell an Anti-Semite when they bring up the USS Liberty. In 1987, the EXACT same thing happened to the USS Stark and the "Liberty Lobby" was and remains silent on Iraq's accidental attack on a US ship that killed 21 Americans. They accept Iraq's version of events but not Israel's. Friendly fire incidents happen in wartime, that is a fact. The "Liberty Lobby" had better think long and hard, put aside their Jew hatred because if such incidents are on purpose, well it makes the USA a nation a butchers for killing nearly 300 civilians in 7/4/1988 when the USS Vincennes shot down IR 655.

Oldefarte| 2.17.12 @ 11:21AM

Yeah, maybe instead of going after the Jewish vote, the Republicans should instead nominate Paulie Boy so he can challenge the president as to who will pander to the radical Muslims more. Maybe then, instead of one bowing and kissing the ????? of Arab shieks, there will be two of them instead!!!!!!!!!!

RCV| 2.17.12 @ 1:22PM

Jack's opening line aptly sums up his political outlook: "Jews are far more trouble than they['re] worth". A sentiment he shares with his heroes and mentors: Adolph Hitler, Father Coughlin, Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul. The sooner you Republicans cleanse your party of the anti-semitic scum like Jack and Clint, the better your chances of someday securing a portion of the Jewish vote. For every Occam in your party, there are four or five of these little anti-semites.

Reprobate Charlatan Jackinwi| 2.17.12 @ 3:08PM

I don't aptly resemble sentient thought, on spewing the sentiment the sooner you cleanse a party, the better the chances a party has to secure the blessings of liberty to those of all parties, not to mention all future generations of all parties, as I belong to the party that cares about all men, at least, AFTER they are born, whether they are Jew or Gentile, on aptly cleansing a party of fuhrers, literally those who are aptly defined as tyrants, on sanctimoniously and hypocritically spewing jackinwi aptly NOW matters.

RCV| 2.17.12 @ 8:19PM

Zzzzzz......

Reprobate Charlatan Jackinwi| 2.17.12 @ 11:03PM

I don't aptly comprehend over 54.5 million slaughtered innocent defenseless unborn Americans who have been purged 'legally' from the face of the earth by bigotry, literally an attitude of prejudice, discrimination, injustice, unfairness and intolerance against a particular group, while aptly studying the Constitution and the Bible an entire lifetime aptly, on aptly a time coming, at least, when all parties will definitively know beyond all doubt, aptly, matters.

RCV| 2.18.12 @ 2:19AM

Zzzz......zzz...zz...z

The War For Liberty| 2.19.12 @ 2:36PM

(item: the forces of compassionate liberalism are facing increasing resistence from heartless conservatism in a struggle between what is good and what is evil . . . )

conservative:

ten times those European Jews killed by nazis under the final solution have been barbarically killed as American unborn babies under the guise of liberty; unlike the holocaust victims who were gassed abortion victims can be stabbed through the spinal cord at the base of the neck; unlike the holocaust which is in past abortion continues daily at a rate of just under 4000 daily.

liberal:

Zzzz.......zzz...zz...z

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 3:09PM

While this may be true, you could also say the same thing about the left, Brother. And how does one "remove" people from their party? There are those of us conservative Jews like Occam & I who see the stuff Clint & Jack post & ALWAYS respond to it because it makes the rest of our conservative brothers & sisters look bad. That's about all we CAN do.

W| 2.17.12 @ 4:50PM

Did Obama throw Rev Wright ,Rev Sharpton, and Rev "Hymietown" Jackson out of the Dem party?

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 6:07PM

Not as of yet...

How does one "purge" a party? Sounds kinda Stalin-eque, to me? I don't want these schmucks around at all, & will call them out & ridicule them whenever they rear their ugly heads. However, they are free to associate with whatever party they choose to, & although I agree with RCV that we don't need them, how does one bar them?

As you said, W, no one's booted either of the 2 clowns you mentioned oit of the Dem party. In fact, those men are LAUDED by most on the left & Democrats. Idiot Jew haters like Jackboot & Lip Spliff Clint are routinely derided by those of us on this site, just as others like them are derided on other sites. Hell, on Townhall, the regulars all banded together & got our resident Jew haters canned.

RCV| 2.17.12 @ 8:21PM

I know you guys do, and I admire you for it.

W| 2.17.12 @ 8:43PM

RCV
You are the old fashioned liberal who is consistent to criticize all forms of bigotry and not the new lefty liberals who are mere partisans and have defamed the word liberal.

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 8:45PM

Cheers, Brother.

Da Monk| 2.17.12 @ 4:55PM

Jack, you give Christians a bad image and a bad name. As I said previously, "You would throw Jesus out of what ever club, organization you belong to because he was/is Jewish.....and so were your ancestors!

Fred Farkel| 2.18.12 @ 8:20AM

Jackov is not a Christian. He's an anti-Semite agnostic.

Alan Brooks| 2.17.12 @ 6:31PM

So Jews are in, blacks are out? Leroy bad, Hymie good?

Trish| 2.17.12 @ 7:40PM

Israel may not be perfect, but it is a BLESSING to not only the United States, but is an island of sanity in the Middle East. Sadly, there are far too few Jews. They have contributed far more to this country and the world for that matter, than their small numbers would warrant. I do agree however that most are tragically lefties.

Alan Brooks| 2.17.12 @ 10:32PM

Why is it Marge could put down Catholicism;
Red Phillips could diss the Northern cause in America's largest war;
but Jack cannot do the same to Israel?
When Confederate monuments are torn down, then we can hear about antisemitism (can you imagine if their was even just one statue of a Nazi general in Europe?). And tear down Union monuments as well--
YOU are the ones who fear change most.

Alan Brooks| 2.17.12 @ 10:34PM

"can you imagine if there was even just one statue of a Nazi general in Europe?"

In Dixie there are countless Confederate-general statues, plaques, etc.

Frank Drackman| 2.17.12 @ 7:23AM

Cast my first Jewish-Republican vote for the Gipper in 1980, in fact, last DemoKKKrat I voted for was George Wallace in 1982.
And that was only cause I didn't like the RepubicKlan Candidate, not for any of his political stands, but cause he chased the Minor League team out of town when he was Mayor, and with it, my $2.90 minimum wage job serving watered down Budweiser...
And yeah, I did vote for Zell Miller a few years back, but he was only a DemoKKKrat to fool those remaining Seasoned Citizens who reflexively vote the straight Donkey ticket.
OK, and there was that vote for Al Sharpton in the 04' Primary, "W" didn't have any opposition, and I still insist Al was the most honorable of that dispicable motley crew.
And My Mom's Jewish too, funny how that works, and voted sucessively for JFK, Gold Water, Wallace, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Reagan, Bush, Perot, Perot, W, W, McCain,
and finally back to the DemoKKKrat fold, cause she's plannin on votin for Ron Paul, if I can't steal her Absentee ballot beforehand...

Frank

Nancy in NC| 2.17.12 @ 8:34AM

For the life of me I cannot understand why anyone...Jewish or Christian...could support the Democrat Party platform.

Trish| 2.17.12 @ 7:41PM

Delusionaries vote for Dems.

JimH| 2.17.12 @ 8:42AM

Not sure what Brighton Beach is like now. When I left NYC there was a growing population there and other parts of Brooklyn of Russian Jew émigrés. My experience with most refugees from the various workers paradises is that they are wise to the con of socialist nostrums. Perhaps that is the case here.

Ross Kaminsky | 2.17.12 @ 9:10AM

Jim,
Your description of Brighton Beach is accurate, and your point about Russian emigres being against "socialist nostrums" is on target with what David Storobin says as quoted in the article.

Moe Blotz| 2.17.12 @ 10:20AM

Michael Weiner is also second generation American via Russian Jewish parents and I am curious where he would weigh in on Mr. Storobin's chances. Savage Nation hits the airwaves around here at 03.00 AM and I can't catch the broadcast when I am heading north, much less call in since the live show has no feed.

Trish| 2.17.12 @ 7:44PM

Bingo about Michael Weiner. I love his stories about his father.

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 8:47AM

My Dad, grandparents & great grandparents were ALL politically conservative. To a one. They and none of them were Orthodox. It was simply that both of my Dad's grandparents came over on the boat in 1918 to escape the ongoing mess to which they were subjected to in Romaina & in Lithuania. And even coming over here wasn't easy, as was the case for many others besides Jews (the Irish & Italians come to mind). My Grandma was born in Uniontown, PA, where her father had opened a dry goods store after working in a coal mine. Since Uniontown had, at that time, a HUGE Jewsih population, there were still people like Jackboot, who ran businesses with signs in the windows that read:

"NO DOGS OR JEWS ALLOWED!"

Despite all of that, they were able to realize the American dream & provide good lives for their kids. They knew about the dangers of not just a nanny state government, but also how that type of government would lead to tyranny. My Grandfather served in the army at Ft. Polk during WWII as a dentist, then at the Ohio State Prison in Columbus for a while, before opening his own practice. HARD WORK was all he knew.

The liberal Jewish mindset galls me to no end. My aunt (Dad's little sis), her husband & both of my cousins are raging liberals. My aunt didn't like my Grandfather too much. She thought he was too strict. So that explains why she went left after being brought up "right." What they, & almost all liberal Jews don't understand, is that leftist policies, overall, have been more destructive of Jewish lives & culture than almost any other factor in history.

And the ones who actually THINK UP these policies, like Marx, Soros & Alinsky, may be "Jewish" in heritage, but most certainly NOT in faith. Hell, even Marx said, "My objective in life is to dethrone G*d & destroy capitalism." They are JINOs. The only time these idiots remember they're Jewish is when they need to rail against "conservatives," whom they deem to all be Christian. Any politically conservative Jew is automatically castigated by liberal JINOs, much in the same way conservative black people are by THEIR community. Its frustrating to no end.

Now if we could just clone about 50 more Cantors & Debbie Schlussels & get them to run for office, we'd be in good shape. Hell, maybe I'll even throw my hat in that ring.

Yeah, right.

W| 2.17.12 @ 9:37AM

ConChef
Well written, and I agree.
Uniontown, Pa is in Fayette County, and is considered the toughest/roughest county in Pa. The State Police call it Fayettenam. It is Appalachia. My grandfather worked in Uniontown as a immigrant in 1900.

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 10:01AM

Yeah, its always struck me as a rough & tumble place for such a small town. Its sure pretty through there, though.

PolishKnight| 2.17.12 @ 9:52AM

I wonder if a similar phenomenon exists in the black and hispanic community: Culturally and even seemingly religiously traditional, but politically and personally leftist, marxist, and atheistic.

I drove through NE DC to reach the Catholic region of DC one Sunday morning and saw church letting out and hundreds of black people leaving church in their Sunday best. I wondered to myself: How could such a large congregation nonetheless live in a totally non-Christian way the rest of the week? Maybe these didn't represent a majority of the local population but also perhaps they did what Obama did: Slept through church and didn't listen. Or maybe the church doesn't care if their daughters have 4 children from 4 different men. Or both.

Elitist leftism has a lot in common with what I see to be the Jewish culture in the states: A firm commitment to education and success not only as good things in and of themselves, but also ways to ensure you are taken care of. Get into government and law so that you can help write the law to protect yourself. I'm not bashing it. I think it's a great strategy. Why be a stupid peasant working in a factory clinging to your guns and Bible? What's amusing about the left, however, is that they are still cultural marxists rather than crony capitalist socialists in China who have abandoned any pretense of Democracy hence the conundrum I observe below where Democrats often callously leave their loyal supporters behind. Islamic culture contributes to "diversity" or, the real reason, the lefts eternal hatred of GW Bush for now allowing them to steal the 2000 election. That moment in history is going to be with us for a long time to come!

Frank Drackman | 2.17.12 @ 10:15AM

OK, I get it not allowing Jews, even though I are one,
buts what with not allowing Dogs?
and I remember this flea bag apartment I lived in for 3 months during Med School, until I got kicked out for having a Doberman and German Shepherd.
And I'd added a "W" to my lease where it said "No Pets Allowed" to make it "NoW Pets Allowed", they still kicked my ass out,
kept my deposit too.
But hey, a Dobie and German Shepherd crap ALOT...

Frank

Trish| 2.17.12 @ 7:53PM

Con, the delusionary leftist Jews gall me to no end as well. My NY raised Jewish brother-in-law embraces the leftist destructive policies. I had the ill fortune of being with him in Chicago on the day of Obama's ignauguration and had to put up with his tears of joy rolling down his face. Meh! Thank God he and my lefty sister chose to have no lefty children to further their utopian, U.N agenda.

Gatemouth| 2.17.12 @ 8:53AM

Storobin denied the Serbain genocides against the Bosnians and Kosovars and has publsihed articles which are pro-Putin and Anti-American:

http://www.r8ny.com/blog/gatem.....robin.html

http://www.r8ny.com/blog/gatem.....lican.html

Ross Kaminsky | 2.17.12 @ 9:18AM

I glanced at your second link and see the quotes you pull from Storobin's article regarding Russian behavior regarding the Ukraine and Moscow's other assertive behavior.

Nowhere in that do I see Storobin doing anything other than the same sort of analysis which I read daily while studying International Affairs in college.

Nowhere do I see those comments offering praise or value judgment. To me, it reads as if he's just analyzing the situation and explaining the Russians' motivation -- which he probably understands better than most.

If I wrote analysis of the behavior of Iran, would that make me a pro-Muslim, pro-terrorism, unpatriotic American? Obviously not, and thus your criticism of Storobin, at least in this case (and I'm not going to bother reading more of your criticisms since they are fairly irrelevant) seems misplaced.

albert constantine jr.| 2.17.12 @ 9:26AM

Hey, aren't you the supporter of Starobin's opponent who is mentioned in this piece? Why not just post the link to the article, instead of the article about the article.

When I read the referenced article, I certainly found a numbers of points with which I might take issue, but I took from his article his assertion that Kosovars and Bosnians were also guilty of atrocities, as were the Serbians.

If one engages in KGB type distortions, does that make a poster pro-Putin, tovaritch?

W| 2.17.12 @ 9:40AM

Gatemouth
What about the Bosnian Muslim and Kososv Muslim attacks on the Serbian Christians, consistent with muslim attacks against christians worldwide?

Trish| 2.17.12 @ 7:58PM

Totally consistent with muslim attacks against Christians worldwide.

PolishKnight| 2.17.12 @ 9:42AM

Reading the comments illustrates what makes it difficult to talk about Jews and/or Israel in ANY context: Any negative remark or criticism that would be fair game in politics will instantly get the person labeled as an anti-semite and dismissed and their reputation attacked. This leaves certain people with negative opinions feeling defensive and coming out with both guns ablazing and that only sets the negative tone further. The discussion then becomes a shooting match. Pity.

That said, I'm going to make a sideways remark (neither negative or positive) and see what happens: Jews are facing a similar situation that working and middle class whites did back in the 1960's: The Democrat party is all about class warfare and these classes aren't necessarily differentiated on wealth. It's about group politics. The Democrats decided that working and middle class whites were not their best bet to grow an electorate and win future elections so they invested political spoils in feminists and non-whites and bashed and abandoned heterosexual white males. Heterosexual white males who don't have a personal stake, or George Soros collaborative role, in leftism such as government union member, croney, etc. are simply fools. Obama is now pondering being more brazen about the left's policy of scapegoating white males rather than simply abandoning them.

Ironically, when the Bushes went to war in the gulf, the left engaged in a knee jerk reaction and introduced Islamicists as the latest member of the anti-white special interest group coalition. A feminist leftist I know who back 15 years ago compared white males to the Taliban now defends the Ground Zero Mosque!

The Republican party is probably dead at this point. It exists largely to serve as political cover for failed socialist/leftist policies (they blame the failures on the RINOs in office and justifiably so since most RINOs are only different by a matter of degree.) Eventually, the Republicans won't be able to win any Presidential election. Consider, Obama's popularity rating has never sunk below 33%. GW's went down to something like 17% or flat line. The left has a loyal demographic who views government as a way to not rob from the rich, but from non-special interest groups and if you take away the women and non-whites, well, figure out who that is!

Welcome to the club, guys!

Ross Kaminsky | 2.17.12 @ 9:51AM

Knight,

I don't really agree with your analysis. At least in recent years, the Democrats haven't done anything important that I know of to garner Jewish votes. That's because they haven't needed to since most Jews are, as I said, liberals first.

Also, Jews probably collect less than the average American in terms of wealth redistribution as it tends to be a relatively high-income group, again on average since clearly there are also plenty of lower-income Jews.

I'm not as negative about the GOP as you are, though I certainly understand your fatalism, and the GOP better get its act together if it wants to remain relevant. By "get its act together", I mean stop acting like Democrats-lite, and stop supporting crony capitalism in any form.

PolishKnight| 2.17.12 @ 10:12AM

When I have a discussion with anyone, I remind myself that they, and I for that matter, have our own primal motivations for believing in our philosophy. It's like when you see a group of people cheering for a team, their motivations usually have nothing to do with the actual athletes or even the game. They cheer usually because it's their home team but also because maybe it was their father's team or they want to fit in at work. Politics are often little different. Most people are simply cheerleaders who are unaware of their motivations. I try to be aware of mine if only to make sure I'm not cheering on someone whose going to beat me up after the game is over. It's also useful to understand, and communicate with, people I'm discussing the issue with. That's the real rules of the game.

That prologue was to establish the fact that the reason why Jews vote Democrat and Republicans are losing elections probably has little to do with core ideology and especially the current policies of both parties. When the Democrat party threw working class whites under the bus, they totally abandoned the principles of the early labor unions and socialists with their hammer and sickle logo on the USSR flag. At least the former USSR had factories and made things!

It's my theory, and this is a theory mind you that I'll apply in a similar way to any group, that Jews tend to be Democrat because they represent a disproportionate number of elite government workers, lawmakers, educators, and even media figures. I'm not saying that to be anti-semitic (It's a compliment really). With those institutions being largely leftist because leftism is about acquiring power, period, ANY groups of people who are strongly tied to those institutions will be leftist. They're not just cheering on the team, many of them are on the team. It's THEIR team!

At least, it has been... up to now. As I said, a century ago it was largely white male heterosexual Christians running things.

Non-whites in the democrat party comparise a majority of their electoral base but NOT a proportionate number of their elite and the Democrat party has successfully gained power by disenfranchising (that's a polite, restrained term on my part) the Republicans electoral base via discriminatory policies in education and government claiming the importance of proportionate, none-white representation. It is now the running theme of the party moreso than economic Marxism. Now... it's time to pay the piper of democrat voting bases. Obama was, and is, celebrated by the left due to his race and even allegations of him being a Muslim. They will expect to see more such candidates in the future AND for him to start getting results.

paultex| 2.17.12 @ 9:49AM

Here in Texas, we have a Jewish Speaker of the House of Representatives, a Republican from San Antonio named Joe Straus (one "S"). He's conservative on some things, less so on others.

Sheila| 2.17.12 @ 10:46AM

Joe Straus is "conservative" the way most commenters at TAS are conservative . . . i.e. they're not. You're all right-liberals, and Straus is, at best, a Rino.

Jews are less than 2% of the population. Why should any political party curry their favor? Obviously, because they are heavily over-represented among opinion makers, journalist, commentators, publishers, and hold a disproportionate amount of wealth. But those are Jew-hater facts, best not mentioned at a respectable website.

Frank Drackman | 2.17.12 @ 10:55AM

Sheila babe,
You left out that we're Hung like a Mother(Shut Yo' Mouth!)...
Seriously, if you don't have any Jewish in you, I'd be happy to give you some...

Frank

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 11:15AM

Yeah, you're the sole arbiter of who's a "true" conservative & who's not.

And why do you care how many Jews have that much money or the jobs that they do? It obvioulsy bothers you.

Ross Kaminsky | 2.17.12 @ 1:09PM

Sheila,

We are "over-represented" among various elites because we study hard and work hard. It's about merit, and Jews can take pride in their "over-representation."

The "disproportionate" wealth is the same. It's proportionate to our efforts and focus on excellence. Not in all cases, of course, but on average more than most other groups.

Why should a party care about the Jewish vote? Because in elections as close as some we've had and will certainly have in the future, that vote can be decisive in some very important states. After all, we may only be 2% of the population, but our population density is not evenly distributed.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrar.....ewpop.html

I realize that you think the things you're saying about Jews is insulting, but I take it as a compliment that "my people" make you so jealous with our success, whether professional or financial.

Also, echoing Con Chef below, why don't you go live your own life rather than implicitly blaming your failures on the success of others?

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 1:14PM

She'd try to live her own life, but we Jews keep ruining it for her, apparently.

After all, don't ALL "real conservatives" kvetch with green envy about the successes of others?

Frank Drackman | 2.17.12 @ 1:43PM

Careful Ross, you just fell into a Vicious Circle Jerk..
and even though I've been to a Rodeo, a World's Fair(Expo 70, big whoop), and once bumbled into 2 clowns having sex, I'd never heard the term "Circle Jerk" until 3rd year Med School when some Pointy Headed Shrink told us about how it was perfectly normal for heterosexual boys to get together and jerk each other off..
And I was the only one to laugh obnoxiously, which may have been why I did Med School under the 5 year plan...
Where was I? oh yeah Clowns having Sex,

Cause if "We're" richer, smarter, better endowed, than "They" because "We" study and work hard, that must mean that "They" are poorer, stew-pid-er, and umm

Frank Drackman | 2.17.12 @ 2:02PM

See? if "We" were really that much smarter, I wouldnt have sent my last comment without finishing...
what I was tryin to say, was if Some Peoples be's better offs than other Mo-Fo's,
in the words of my favorite Madonna Impersonator(after Jack & Clint) and in my 3rd language that you won't find on Rosetta Stone,
"Some Mo-Fos just be's bone dat way"

Frank

Trish| 2.17.12 @ 8:09PM

Jews are 'over represented' in these fields because they highly value education, and have had stable marriages and family structures.

RCV| 2.18.12 @ 2:24AM

Sheila makes Clint and Jack look like members of The Jewish Christian Benevolent Assn.

Skip| 2.17.12 @ 9:50AM

Neo Nazi's linking to his articles? It doesn't bother the Branch Paulinians.

2010 was the year for black Republicans. It's time we had our Jewish friends voting common sense, too.

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 10:10AM

Unfortunately, I think that the Jewish voting block may be a tougher nut to crack that the black one. While there ARE plenty of Jewish CONSERVATIVES (not merely Republicans), there still aren't enough of them. The JStreet (a Sros funded group) crowd is quite a bit larger han the conservative crowd.

The worm may slowly be starting to turn in some places or instances, but not very noticeably.

Skip| 2.17.12 @ 10:37AM

From your lips to God's ears....

Perhaps the NY 9th going GOP was a sign of things to come?

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 11:04AM

I can only pray so, Brother.

squalis| 2.17.12 @ 10:13AM

Ross, although I know he is no longer with us, your list of Jewish pundits on the right should have included the great William Saffire.

Ross Kaminsky | 2.17.12 @ 10:25AM

Squalis,

Safire was indeed great, but my list wasn't a list of Jewish pundits but rather a list of Jewish pundits who have written (recently) about why Jews vote Democrat by such a wide margin.

An unqualified list of Jewish pundits would be quite a long list...sort of like the list of Jewish Nobel prize winners:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrar.....obels.html

Sean| 2.17.12 @ 11:09AM

The Jewish Republicans are almost all liberal and the Jewish Democrats tend to be extreme liberals. Republicans missed a chance by not pushing Peter Schiff in Connecticut. He was very fiscally conservative and a states rights advocate so his liberal social values would not have made a difference.

Oldefarte| 2.17.12 @ 11:14AM

Great one, Ross! I've said many many times that it is simply misunderstandable how Jews can support this president and his administration's policies. As stated, they have completely back-handed Israel [which is compatible (and should be understandable to most) with their foreign policy activities within the middle east etc]. It is a huge mystery to me how Jews, who are mostly highly educated and professionally successful in various fields, can believe in the Democratic Party's use of welfare providance as a vote obtaining mechanism, when Jews are so self-reliant and productive citizens. It no doubt has something to do with their usual kindness and generosity as a people toward others, but they have to know that same is being bent to far out of shape in their loyality to this administration that is literally screwing their fellow Jews in the middle east. Additionally, the well-known Jewish devotion to frugality simply cannot co-exist with the defecit/debt spending of this administration. I just wish someone could thoroughly explain it to me, and make sense of it!!!!!!!!

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 1:11PM

Brother, I'm Jewish & it doesn't make sense to ME, either. Nor did it make sense to my Dad. Its just as baffling to politically conservative Jews like us as it is to non-Jews.

Bill| 2.17.12 @ 11:34AM

GOP must reach out to the White Christian voters, the only dynamic group that is educated, wealthy, and reliable. America is a nation of Christian and the only faith that unifies our nation.

Nick| 2.17.12 @ 12:45PM

"That nigger lover President Clinton had the pen and vetoed so many good bills passed by the Gingrich-led Congress."
- Written by Bill, yesterday, in the Time for Newt to Do the Honorable Thing thread:

http://spectator.org/archives/.....ent_749403

You're a moron and a racist, Bill.
GO AWAY!

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 1:09PM

Ruh-roh! Nick with another beatdown of Bill the Bigot with his own words!

Cue weak response from Bill the Bigot.

Hey Nick, shoot me an email:

DTFrankel79@gmail.com

I've got something to run by you.

RCV| 2.17.12 @ 1:27PM

Nick: thanks for calling out this racist moron every time he pops his red neck up. You da' man in my book!

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 1:55PM

Hey, not all of us Southern boys/rednecks are like Bill the Bigot! Bill the Bigot is just an un-reconstructed bumpkin posting from his trailer in West Memphis, AR.

Most of the rest of us have some class!

:-)

RCV| 2.17.12 @ 3:09PM

Did not mean to imply otherwise. I know some mighty fine people with red necks! Bill isn't one of them.

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 3:40PM

Snicker!

Its cool, Brother!

rightasrain| 2.17.12 @ 11:37AM

My own admittedly unscientific theory as to why so many Jews are Democrats is that the Jewish people have traditionally put a high premium on education and academia has traditionally been dominated by liberals. Thus, many Jews have come to associate being educated with being liberal. I am the only non-Jew in a group I belong to and though we generally avoid politics, occasionally they will talk as if we could never be anything other than unanimous in our adoration of Obama. When I gently protest and start talking about conservative principles like small government, self-reliance and the dangers of the deficit, I find we agree more than we disagree. On social issues, however, the gulf is wide. Even though they agree with Republicans on many fiscal issues, they have told me that they could never vote for a Republican because they still associate being Republican with being an uneducated vulgarian.

Skip| 2.17.12 @ 12:57PM

There is absolutely NO reason (practising) Jews should not vote conservative.

"First, the Obama Adminstration went after Catholics, and I said nothing...."

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 1:07PM

Best post of the day, Skip!

Someone get this man a bottle of Blanton's Bourbon!

Skip| 2.17.12 @ 3:11PM

Ooh! Never had it. I've always been a Booker's fan, may have to try it.

Con Chef (NB) | 2.17.12 @ 3:41PM

If you dig Booker's, you'll LOVE Blanton's!

Brooklyn| 2.17.12 @ 1:11PM

I think you have to get by the cosmetics and look at the character, actions and stances of this man. From what I read, he is not particularly conservative, but appears to be a bully on the make without much substance or thought about the issues. If elected, he appears to be someone who would be a tool for the corrupt New York Republican machine, looking to get ahead. His election would be an embarassment to the conservative movement. Unfortunately, there is no true conservative movement here. The Republican Party in New York consists of RINOs and corrupt hacks. In other words, a mirror image of New York Democrats. Storobin is no Eric Cantor.

Ross Kaminsky | 2.17.12 @ 1:50PM

David is certainly on the libertarian end of conservatism, which is just what I think we need more of (though I realize many disagree) and which probably mirrors his would-be constituents quite well.

obadiah| 2.17.12 @ 1:45PM

Soft liberal american jews are offended by the lies, insults and abuse that republicans enjoy. Such weaklings tend to empathize with other weaklings and losers. They think that the heart should control the fist.

What's worse is that they are all confused because they also know that Settlements have to be established and that the Whole Land has to be defended. The silly fools think that Obama can somehow resolve the conflict and avoid increasingly ruinous wars.

Trish| 2.17.12 @ 8:16PM

I suspect that the view of the 'heart controlling the fist' was at the basis of the holocaust. One Jewish concentration camp survivor explained the consequences of such foolishness with, 'What were we to defend ourselves with? Spoons and shoelaces?'. I would require as recommended viewing in all Jewish homes the film 'Defiance'.

Ross Kaminsky | 2.17.12 @ 1:52PM

I almost understood that comment.

obadiah| 2.17.12 @ 2:03PM

I suffer from apocalyptic visions in which doomed peoples are possessed by delusions. Wasn't there a short story by Isaac Bashevis Singer set in about 1880 where a man went insane with visions of the Holocaust?

Marc Jeric| 2.17.12 @ 4:24PM

The Jews are by far the smartest, most intelligent, and most educated people in the world. It seems to be a result of 2,000 years of pogroms that eliminated most stupid Jews. Except for one thing: their continued fascination with marxism.

Mark Jeffery Koch| 2.17.12 @ 4:41PM

Ross, you absurdly make the statement that the Democratic party is "the party of institutionalized American anti-Semitism."

Have you ever heard of Evans and Novak and their obsession with hatred of Israel over a period of more than 25 years? Have you ever heard of Pat Buchanan who is a Holocaust denier, accuses American Jews of dual loyalty, and wrote in his book that American universities should have a quota on the number of Jews and Asian students that are allowed admittance? Did you read the essay published more than twenty years ago by the conservative doyen William F. Buckley Jr. that stated Buchanan was an anti-semite? Have you ever read some of the vile anti semitic material from the newsletters that went out under Ron Paul's name for ten years or heard Ron Paul calling the establishing of the State of Israel a mistake? Have you ever read some of the anti Israel diatribe from Mearsheimer and Walt?

The Democrat Party may have a lot of faults but to call the party of Truman, Kennedy, Johnson,
Clinton and Obama the party of anti semitism is a disgraceful smear.

As for our current President being anti Israel I find it strange that an anti Israel President would, in a time of great economic problems, increase annual aid to Israel, protect Israel in the U.N. each and every time, and have an unprecedented high level of military and intelligence agency cooperation between America and Israel. I guess the fact that he feels expropriating more land from the Palestinians to build more settlements is illegal (and was joined in this belief by every other President and every single country in the world) makes you call him an Israel hater. If his inability to get along with Netanyahu, who, during his last go around as Prime Minister of Israel had six different cabinet ministers resign and each one call him a liar, makes him an enemy of Israel then what do you call Ronald Reagan who did not get along with the then Israeli Prime Minister Begin, or George H.W. Bush, who did not get along with the then Israeli Prime Minister Shamir? Is Obama an Israel hater because he refuses to get involved in an unnecessary war with Iran that could destroy the West's economy and lead to terrorism on our shores and the deaths of many Americans? By the way Ross, the right wings hero, Netanyahu, is loathed by the leaders of France, Germany, and England and the leaders of these countries call Netanyahu a liar and a dishonest man. It seems that for you, not agreeing with the Netanyahu goverrnment is anti semitism. Sorry, but that's not true. There are many Republicans and Democrats who feel just as Obama does but are terrified to say so aloud. They support the State and people of Israel but cannot stand Israel's current leader and that does not make them or our current President an anti semite.

As for Obama being a lover of Muslims he sure has dropped a ton of bombs on them in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Libya, and has called for the ouster of the leader of Syria, and is at loggerheads with Pakistan. Strange behaviour for someone who loves Muslims.

You can disagree with many, many things Obama has done but he is NOT anti semitic. Anti semites don't appoint two people as their chief of staff who are Jewish and very pro Israel, nor do they appoint Jews to major positions in their cabinet. There are American Jews, like me, Ross, who love Israel but detest the current Prime Minister, and we are not anti Israel and we are not anti semites. In a democracy people are allowed to disagree with the policies of a government without being called an anti semite. Just as every person who disagrees with the Obama administration is not a racist every person who finds the Netanyahu government an anathema to what Israel was once all about are not anti semites.

Brooklyn| 2.17.12 @ 6:30PM

The Israelis did not expropriate Palestinian land illegally, it is Jewish owned land owned by Jews on which Palestinians are illegally building on. Nentanyahu's political problems began with President Clinton because he wasn't going to capitulate to Clinton's suicidal demands. His ministers resigned because he wan't compliant with Clinton. Clinton sent James Carvile to Israel to campaign against Nentanyahu and replace him with the more compliant Ehud Barak who proceeded to make a suicidal offer of half of Jerusalem which the Israeli people weren't going to accept anyway. The Israeli people and their leaders won't say so, but they are praying for Obama to be replaced because any one of the three leading Republican candidates would be a better ally than Obama. Ask any Palestinian if they will accept a Jewish state and the answer will be no. After all, the whole rationale for a Palestinian state is to get rid of the Jews, otherwise, why would they bother? And if you want to know where Obama stands on Israel, ask his friend Rasheed Khalidi.

PolishKnight| 2.17.12 @ 6:36PM

This PC diatribe above shows quite clearly what I said about how the anti-semite race card actually generates much of it's own problems.

FYI, here's what I found what WFB said:
"I find it impossible to defend Pat Buchanan against the charge that what he did and said during the period under examination amounted to anti-Semitism, whatever it was that drove him to say and do it: most probably, an iconoclastic temperament."

Wow! It doesn't get any clearer than that!

Ross Kaminsky | 2.17.12 @ 6:40PM

Buchanan and Novak did not hold political office. The home of anti-Semitism and supporting Palestinians over Israel is the Democratic Party and the Congressional Black Caucus.

I was trying to be very clear that I was talking about the party organization itself when I used the word "institutionalized."

Also, I am not speaking about Dem anti-Semitism in a long historical context. It is a relatively recent phenomenon, and all the more distressing because of how much Jewish involvement there was in the civil rights movement.

Obama is only passively anti-Israel in his constant pandering to the Islamic world. But he is quite dangerous nevertheless as his weakness encourages adventurism by Iran and Hamas.

Far more evil, though, is Jimmy Carter.

I am not saying there is no anti-Semitism elsewhere in America. And I am not talking about the "man on the street" of either party, but of the party apparatuses themselves. The INSTITUTIONALIZED anti-Semitism and anti-Israel views are within today's Democratic Party.

Mark Jeffery Koch| 2.17.12 @ 8:00PM

Ross, a question... when does disagreement with the policies of a particular Israeli government equate to a serious, valid, and honest disagreement and when does it cross the line into anti semitism? I realize fully that many European governments and the populations of Europe have crossed this line and some people here have as well.

Not every person who supports a two State solution to the Palestinian Israeli conflict is a left wing ideologue nor are they people who dislike Israel. Some people who support a two State solution include former heads of the Shin Bet and Mossad, former Prime Ministers Barak, Peres, and Olmert, and many former generals and heads of the IDF, and several former Israeli foreign ministers. You may, as Newt Gingrich believes,
feel that there is no such thing as a Palestinian people and you are entitled to your opinion, but polls show as much as 50% of the Israeli public favors a two State solution.

I understand what you said about elected party officials and Buchanan was never elected to anything but he does have millions of supporters and I doubt they do not know what his feelings towards Jews are and I doubt any of them are Democrats.

When you mention a Party please remember that unless there is an official position that is anti Israel there can be anti Israel elected officials in both parties. I am a Democrat and was born and raised in Philadelphia and now reside in New Jersey. I know of no Mayor, Congressman, Senator, or Governor from these States or from any State from Maine to Florida that has ever been accused of being anti Israel, from any party, with the exception of former New Hampshire Governor (Republican) John Sunnunu.

The Democrat Party does support a two State solution to the Palestinian Israeli conflict and the party is of course to the left on most issues but even if the people that support this are misguided, they still want to see peace between Israel and her Arab neighbors, as we all do. Some of us also believe that with the Arab population eventually becoming as large as the Jewish population two separate entities living side by side are necessary, or otherwise Israel will have to choose between an apartheid arrangement or a one State solution where Jews are in the minority which no one who loves Israel ever wants to see as that will mean the end of Israel.

I do not share your opinion about Obama's embrace of Islam. He came into office when a great many Muslims felt that America was at war with Islam. That is a war we cannot win as America cannot afford to be at war with 1.5 billion people. I do not see how he has embraced any enemies of Israel. He has not tried to embrace Syria or Iran, nor change our policy of speaking with the terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah. He has valid reasons for trying, although it may not succeed, everything humanly possible to avoid a war with Iran. America is drained from ten years of war and a trillion dollars wasted. The economy, no matter who is President next year, cannot afford $6.00 a gallon gasoline which may result if an all out confrontation with Iran happens. Also, unlike 1981 when Israel bombed the Osirak nuclear reactor in Iraq and Saddam did nothing in revenge, the Iranians are like a rabid dog and they will try everything they can from attacks on Israeli and Jewish targets around the world to missiles launched into Israeli cities. Are the deaths of thousands of innocents worth the cost of setting back Iran two years? I would rather see America immediately draft a defense treaty that states that any attack on Israel would be considered an attack on America, and I would like to see Israel be invited to join NATO. Turkey will object, but most NATO members will not and this is one area where China and Russia do not have a veto.

As for Republican friends of Israel, Paul is definitely not, but Santorum and Gingrich sincerely are. As for Romney, I don't believe anything he says and believes he is pandering to Jewish donors and voters in States such as Florida and Pennsylvania. Romney is like his former Massachusetts neighbor, John Kerry, and seems to be for something before he was against it. His support of Israel is questionable.

During the campaign in 2008 Obama spoke at a Black church and discussed the problem of Black anti semitism. It is real and does exist but I do not see any evidence of the majority of the Black caucus voting against legislation for Israel. But is there an anti Israel feeling among a majority of Black Americans? Unfortunately yes, and few if any Black Americans ever denounced the anti semitism of Reverand Wright and the venom spewed from the mouth of Louis Farrakahn.

Rahm Emmanuel sends his kids full time to Hebrew school and volunteered to serve in Israel during the first Gulf War. The current chief of staff, Jacob Lew, is an Orthodox Jew. Irregardless of their party affiliation I do not believe they would ever serve any President whom they felt was anti semitic or anti Israel nor do I believe people like Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton would either. I also do not believe that most Democratic members if AIPAC are going to vote for Mitt Romney in November. One must not confuse poor chemistry between the leaders of America and Israel with anti semitism or an anti Israel bias. I do not believe Obama would have behaved the way he has if a Dan Meridor, Tzippi Livni, or other Israeli was the current Prime Minister. Either way, at the end of the day all that matters is if he is doing everything he can to make sure Israel remains the strongest country both economically and militarily in the Middle East and I believe he is.

Ross Kaminsky | 2.17.12 @ 8:46PM

Mark,

I'd be OK with a two-state solution if the Palestinian state gave a credible commitment to rejecting violence and signed an official document accepting Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state.

I don't assume that everything Israel, or an Israeli prime minister, does is right. Nor do I put Israel ahead of the United States in my priorities.

The way Obama treated Netanhayu was representative of his view of Israel as well as his view of the prime minister. It was repugnant. And it emboldens Israel's enemies, who are our enemies.

Mormons are generally very reliable supporters of Israel for their own religious reasons which strike me as strongly held, if a little weird.

As for Obama, as I said his danger is more passive than active, through such things as his early "apologize for America" tour which emboldened Iran, Hamas, and others.

I would point out that Obama was in Jeremiah Wright's church for something like 20 years. Wright is an aggressive anti-Semite, and there is no way Obama wasn't exposed to that hatred -- and didn't reject it. The fact that he rejected Wright's anti-Semitism once elected is irrelevant.

http://newsblogs.chicagotribun.....mitic.html

Brooklyn| 2.17.12 @ 10:46PM

If you truly want a two state solution, the only way to get it, is to convince the Arab world that they cannot win. Aiding them in a war of attrition, terrorism, bombings, threats and massacres (the Fogel Family) works against that. I always wondered why these actions and the anti-Judaic diatribes never seemed to faze you. But from what you write, I realize that it not only fazes you, it scares you. If you believe you cannot win, you already lost. You exaggerate the strength of the Arab world, and you woefully underestimate ours. Your way is a certain path to defeat, for Israel and the United States. Our way is the path to peace and prosperity through strength. That is the way we built this country. That is the way we grew this country. And that is the only way we will preserve this country. History says so.

Trish| 2.17.12 @ 8:19PM

Jimmy Carter is an anti Semite of the first order.

Ross Kaminsky | 2.17.12 @ 6:49PM

To all my readers and friends: In the future, I will police the comments on my articles myself.

The ONLY reason which will cause me to delete a comment is foul language, some of which we have seen today, though if people start cluttering up the page with pointless back-and-forth insults of each other which in no way advance a real debate, I will consider deleting those threads in their entirety. I have done a modicum of that today.

I will of course not delete any comment which is debating the issue in a less-than-R-rated way regardless of how vehemently the commenter disagrees with me.

As a former floor trader in Chicago, no foul language bothers me personally. But some of the comments we get, especially when we get into topics like today's, don't just do nothing to further the debate, but they bring down not just our conversation but the quality of the entire AmSpec site, and I will do what I can to prevent that.

Alan| 2.18.12 @ 9:36PM

Thank you!

BackToBasics| 2.18.12 @ 1:03AM

The perplexing question as to why there are so few Republican Jews must have an answer. I do not have an answer but I do have a some questions. Maybe asking the right questions will lead to an answer.......eventually.

Question 1 - Were Jews always more in the Democrat Party in American History?

Question 2 - If the answer is yes, is this therefore nothing more than a familial or cultural tradition?

Question 3 - Were most Jews against the formation of Israel in 1948 or just the Orthodox Jews? I have heard that Orthodox Jews were not in favor of a Jewish nation created by a Untided Nations resolution.

Question 4 - "IF" the answer to question 3 is true, and I'm not certain it is, would the answer be in a possible fear of another Jewish Holocaust if too many are concentrated in one nation?

Question 5 - Again, "IF" the answer to question 3 is true, and I'm not certain it is, do many Jews resist the Republican Party since they perceive it as more strongly supporting a "UN-chartered" Israel? Again, part of this goes back to question 4. Do Jews elsewhere in the world, consciously or not, actually wish that Israel would be slowly and manageably dissolved in order to avoid another Holocaust in the nation of Israel itself?

In summary, in thinking of possible reasons why there are so few Republican Jews, questions 1 and 2 come down to familial or identity politics, i.e. with Democrats, for a close-knit community. Questions 3, 4, 5 come down to a worry about survival as a religious and/or cultural group, again, in a close-knit group identity.

BackToBasics| 2.18.12 @ 1:05AM

sp - United Nations resolution.

Ross Kaminsky | 2.18.12 @ 8:54AM

A short answer: Many Jews were turned off from the GOP in the 1950s when "Republican" places like country clubs routinely banned Jews.

Also, Jews tend to think of themselves as historical underdogs and see the Dems as the party of the underdog.

The problem with the Democrats is that one main way they stay in power is by keeping poor people poor.

BackToBasics| 2.18.12 @ 12:31PM

Appreciate the reply.

I didn't know about the ban in the 1950's at many country clubs but if you are correct it would not be surprising to me. Being so close-knit and therefore having good connections with one another which Jews seem to have, such a move would be really stupid on the Republicans
part. It seems to be a party fraught with tin-ear stupidity at the top levels, and especially
since Reagan left office. This suggestion though, if it is a big reason why they vote mostly
Democrat, would only answerthe post WWII time period.

The underdog status suggestion vis-a-vis Democrats would go back further than WWII. Have they always voted more Democrat in American history, even prior to WWII? I am not a Jew but maybe there is still much uncertainty and insecurity about basic survival among Jews because of their small numbers. Yet, They are a smart people and how they can continue to believe that wealth-confiscating Democrats
will "protect" them these days doesn't totally add up.

It's something to think about though. Maybe it is a combination of answers. For post WWII in any event, I still wonder if there is also an Israel-religious connection to it even though many Jews today are more secular in their thinking.

Brooklyn| 2.18.12 @ 7:45PM

I could only speak from what I know about the New York Jewish community. In the South, where Eric Cantor comes from, you will find that Jewish southerners have the same oulook as their Christian neighbors.

There are two million Jews in the New York metropolitan area, which makes up a large swath of the American Jewish popoulation of just under six million, which is slightly down from 1960, when it was six million. There has been a Jewish community in New York since 1652, when New York was known as New Amsterdam. Their descendants still live in New York till this day, and attend the same synogogue, which has been moved around a few times. In the 1880's, German Jews came over, among them members of the great Jewish banking families; Morganthau, Warburg, Lehman, Schiff, Loeb, Saloman, etc. There was a large migration of poor Jews from Eastern Europe and Russia in the first quarter of the 20th Century, like my father's parents. This group is what everyone identifies as New York Jews. They were courted by the Democratic Party as all immigrants were. The Democratic Party was identified as the party of the worker and the poor and the immigrants dutifully voted the Democratic line every election. Of course there was Fiorello La Guardia, a Republican whose father was Italian and his mother was Jewish, but he was an anamoly who acted like a Democrat.

Skip to the 1980's when there was a migration of Soviet Jews, a large community of which has settled in Brighton Beach, which brings us to David Storobin. To my mind, he is not a conservative, although Ross Kaminsky says he is a libertarian. From what I know of Libertarians, they seem to be angry people who get loud and nasty when they feel stepped upon, which is quite often. To me, that is not a philosophy, that is politically acting out strong feelings. Philosophy requires serious thought.

I've been a registered Democrat all my adult life. I have held the same views all this time, but having been labeled a liberal, now I am labeled a right wing extremist without changing my views. A safety net is one thing, but government control like this is a soul deadening tyranny. Unfortunately, there is no place here to grow consevatism. When Jews flocked to the suburbs, they regisered as Republicans, not because they turned conservative, but because they felt that staying in the Democratic Party would give New York City too much control of their lives. The Republican Party in New York consists of RINOs and hacks, a mirror image of the New York Democratic Party.

I thought I had to give you a little background before I answered your questions. I hope it was helpful.

1) In New York City, Jews are traditionally Democratic. There have been Jewish Republican office holders. Senator Jacob Javitts and State Attorney General Louis Lefkowitz. But there was no philosophical differences between them and the Democrats.

2) In New York, we have been a high tax, high service state, but as the costs increase, with the bloat and pension payments, maybe Jewish voters will rethink their positions, but I'm not holding my breath.

3) The Jewish state had overwhelming Jewish support throughout the country. Louis Brandeis among many other famous Jews were in strong support of it and campaigned strongly throughout the early part of the 20th Century and beyond. What is happening now in the Jewish community, I don't understand. It seems too many of us are overtaken by fear. Their ancesters would be ashamed.

BackToBasics| 2.18.12 @ 10:45PM

Appreciate your informative response.

From what you say it, Jews have been in the Democrat Party since it started. Appreciate the information about Jewish support for the state of Israel although the names you mention are more secular Jews than Orthodox. I heard that the Orthodox Jews were against a UN-chartered state for Israel and I was not sure how much beyond the Orthodox community this resistance extended.

My instincts tell me I think there must still be resistance to Israel among Orthodox Jews outside of Israel. How else can Jews continue to vote for Democrats who are traditionallly weaker in their support for Israel than Republicans, Sec of State Jim Baker under Bush 1 nothwithstanding?

A religious explanation does make sense, although it may not be the right or only answer. Maybe the Orthodox Jews believe that Israel is a man-made state through the UN and not one made by God himself such as in the times of Moses and David. Yet, I concede the explanation could be a devil-you-know (Democrats) vs. the one you don't (Republican Elites). I say elites because the strongest support for Israel in America comes from rank-and-file Republicans through the evangelical churches. I am an evangelical so I know first-hand about this. We get a fair amount of information about Israel in many of the more conservative evangelical Christian churches.

However, in the face of what could almost be described as intransigence on the part of Jews to vote for the Democrat Party which is weaker in it's grassroots support for Israel and even at the top leadership, has me, over time, slowly perhaps rethinking and definitely questioning what is going on in this area. The reestablishment of Israel as a nation is NO SMALL THING in evangelical circles.

You touch on fear as a reason. I too, have had thoughts that this may be a factor. I allude to it in my first post although I think you refer more to it in a domestic political sense.

You note that the Democrats have basically leap-frogged over your steadfast political positions, once considered liberal. Maybe other Jews are beginning to see this as well.

Also interesting was your take on libertarians. True, they react quickly and too much sensitivity to opposition. We all do to some extent although both libertarians and many Democrats seem to do this in spades.

Again, I appreciate your thoughts and you and Ross have given me more to think about. Maybe the reasons are multi-faceted. Yet, the current voting trend for Democrats not only with Jews but also with Democrats en masse is more akin to suicide than not. This is true not only for American support of Israel but for America itself.

elliot stamler| 2.18.12 @ 10:39AM

Conservative Republican Jews are such a (deservedly) anamoly they should be examined under a microscope. Storobin is going to lose big time and if Mr. Kaminsky, another Jewish right-wing nut, doubts it he should make a gentleman's bet with me about the outcome.

Con Chef (NB) | 2.18.12 @ 11:03AM

Ah yes, the castigation of Jews who don't subscribe to the liberal groupthink/identity politics is a "Jewish right-wing nut." You're just like the idiots in the black community who call consevatives "uncle Toms" & "sellouts."

Ross Kaminsky | 2.18.12 @ 5:18PM

You're on Elliot. I'll bet you $1 or a beer or just bragging rights. I'll take Storobin, you take the other guy. Is it a bet?

p.s. I'm not "right-wing"...just ask the "real conservatives" on these pages.

Jon | 2.19.12 @ 12:52AM

Isn't it time that politicians are judged on their policies, not their religion?

Dan-o| 2.19.12 @ 8:11AM

How do you spell Jewish Republican? NEO-CON.........!

So what Cantor is the only Republican Jew in Congress, the NEO-CON has been running that party for at least the last two decades....

Politics and just about everything of worth in the Western World is top heavy with Jews....

A real improvement would be getting more American Indians elected to Congress. They make up roughly the same percentage of the US Population as Jews and are way underrepresented.....

How about more Black Senators? Last I seen, their was one Black, but more than a dozen Jews.....

Nice try, but I disagree with this article, so let the "labels" begin..... :)

Avi Marranazo| 2.20.12 @ 5:59AM

The most demoralizing part of our current political milieu is that the Jewish Republican branch of the hostile elite represents itself as "conservative". A "conservative" elite hostile to the traditional people and culture of the US. Orwell would love it.

Neocon Jews displaced true conservatives from the Republican Party in the interests of aiding Israel. However, they have not shed any of their hostility toward Europeans, European Americans and their culture. Indeed, they have been complicit in the movement for massive non-White immigration. As Kevin Macdonald notes in his piece on www.alternativeright.com “With conservatives like these, who needs liberals? ”

bob | 2.21.12 @ 9:51AM

Note the tactics of the left in this campaign.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBZ72jkcLaI

Note the 29:10 min mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

It never ends.

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