Of all the hubbub rightly surrounding the healthcare mandate
handed down from the imperial throne of Barack Obama, one aspect of
this issue has not been sufficiently discussed: the disturbing fact
that sex has now made its way into nearly all aspects of American
life. Many have written of the clash between First Amendment rights
and those who would seek to curb them, while others have debated
the moral evils of abortion, but few have sought to plumb the cause
of it all: our national descent into the sexual gutter.
Without doubt or question, sex rules our airwaves,
satellites, and all the forms of human communication that compose
our leisure time. The subject of sex dominates our children’s
education and overflows into the fields of sports, music, and the
so-called arts. It is indeed impossible to watch or listen to any
form of entertainment without being bombarded with direct or
indirect references to, or advertisements for, sex; its attainment,
its glorification, or the improvement of its
“performance.”
When we speak of sex this does not, of course, refer to
what was once known as conjugal love; that which in an ordered
society is a beneficial and great moral good. No, the modern
conception of sex is that exercise of bodily functions that exists
only for the use of human beings by other human beings solely as
instruments of physical pleasure; often perversely so.
This desire for unfettered access to sex is probably one
of the greatest reasons for this country’s unfortunate descent into
the realms of atheism and agnosticism. “A loving God would never be
against___” — fill in the blank with “hookups” or any number of
sexual deviations. After all, a creator who did not intend for our
bodies to engage in rampant and random sex cannot really be worthy
of worship, can he?
This has resulted in the loss of the idea that humanity
was blessed with a divine gift which, in our manner of
reproduction, differentiates man from beast. It is no accident
that, when building his empire, sex magnate Hugh Hefner modeled his
Playboy magazine around the image of rabbits; and his
crude joke has now become public policy: humans are now free to
mate without conscience or consequence.
Since the so-called sexual revolution, the exaltation of
sex has corrupted much of what this country used to hold dear,
especially motherhood. Prior to the 1960s, no one — except maybe
adolescent boys — really associated pregnancy with what moderns
call “sex.” Babies were brought forth as the natural extension of
love between man and wife; the two becoming one flesh; the product
of lawful marriage, which has always been the pillar of any
civilized — or even uncivilized — culture.
Pregnancy was celebrated as the coming of a “blessed
event” or a “bundle of joy” and mothers were revered as symbolic of
America herself, along with baseball and apple pie. Today,
pregnancy has been described as a “punishment” by our president,
while full-time mothers are regarded as anachronistic failures by
all but the most twisted of religious fanatics. So the inclusion of
abortion and contraception into the area of healthcare is just the
next step in the logical progression of the dismantling of marriage
and motherhood.
Yes, sex has overtaken the common sense of otherwise sober
Americans and now even intrudes itself into our government, via the
despotic mandates of legislation that was unwanted by the majority
of its citizens and blatantly unconstitutional. One wonders what
our Founding Fathers would have thought if confronted with the fact
that in 21st century America, sexual license would be included in
the list of freedoms and inalienable rights to be protected and
even funded by our government.
It’s a pretty good bet that they would be repulsed, as
they knew that unless base, sexual urges are curbed, the nation
would soon be overrun by pederasty, pornography, social disease,
the objectification of women, and generations of fatherless
children. Well, in the words of a so-called churchman, those
chickens have indeed come home to roost.
Has sexual licentiousness existed for thousands of years?
Of course; history, literature and even the Bible are full of it.
But remember that those lurid biblical tales, Shakespearean
tragedies, and operas about “the world’s oldest profession” all
came with moral lessons attached: participation in and
glorification of illicit sex has always come with a price; the one
we’re currently paying.
SGT Baker (native Coloradoan)| 2.15.12 @ 6:14AM
It is a sad, sad thing.
Naper| 2.15.12 @ 9:54AM
Frankly, I am appaled at some of the comments. You need to know what the First Amendment says. It is free speech. It is not a particular moral code. That is up to the people. The Constitution does not presuppose a particular religion or moral code. Don't get me wrong, I am not one to partake in a lot of what you decry. On the other hand, it is becuase of the First Amendment that we can write and discuss this. I have lived overseas and traveled extensively. I have seen how it is in dictatorships where my friends were afraid to talk about things in public. Even today, in Western Europe and Canada you can be taken to court for holding certain views. I would not want to live that way. The upstart though, is that you have to tolerate some things which you do not like. Think about it.
As for the historical point, it is quite correct. This time in history is not particularly unique. It is only becuase the Calvinists were some of the first people to settle what became the US that we even think about it in this way.
fckewe| 2.15.12 @ 10:49AM
Sorry your sex life sucks because you are IN IT. Most of the people I KNOW are glad they have vaginas. I am proud of every one I have done, and all the things I have done with them. SO sorry you regret getting naked for a bar of soap. Try NOT showering in front of the mirror, then you might grow...
O.F. A.N. A.S.S.| 2.15.12 @ 11:10AM
Ram lamb do not have vaginas.
Ovines For
A Nation
Absent Species Sodomization
Teaghan| 2.15.12 @ 1:22PM
Humans like yourself fckewe, are the reason for the decline of our nation.
The air you breathe is wasted on you.
O.F. A.N. A.S.S.| 2.15.12 @ 1:36PM
In you're comment to day, dont you mean to state: 'The air you breath is wasted on you'?
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa" (fckewe 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM)
"Babies cry, laugh, eat and poop and breath. If it is NOT doing these acts, it is just a scab, a snot bubble" (fck 1.19.12 @ 12:46PM)
"you're MOM teach you that?" (fckewe 1.20.12 @ 12:16PM)
"You take 2 Viagarrrrrrrrra to day?" (fckewe 2.7.12 @ 3:06AM)
Ovines For
A Nation
Absent Species Sodomization
Ted| 2.15.12 @ 2:05PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa"
This just means he's a fool.
O.F. A.N. A.S.S.| 2.15.12 @ 2:20PM
Remember, we are just sheep.
We appreciate you're comment to day, but your implying by you're comment to day that you can determine the sodomizer of sheep is not a Mensan by his claim that he is a Mensan.
We sheep, as we life and breath, want to know how your so sure of that, and if your sure enough of that to teach us sheep.
We sheep want every Mensan type advantage in are quest to end the sodomization of sheep, and, as we life and breath, we mean end the sodomization of sheep to day.
Ovines For
A Nation
Absent Species Sodomization
Jeamar| 2.15.12 @ 7:28PM
Didn't you write this same BS yesterday for something?
O.F. A.N. A.S.S.| 2.16.12 @ 11:58AM
The sodomizer of sheep posts the same sodomizer excrement every day.
Ovines For
A Nation
Absent Species Sodomization
spike59| 2.15.12 @ 3:04PM
those who do, do...those who babble about it, mostly spy on their sisters
JamesJ| 2.16.12 @ 7:16AM
Thanks sheep fornicator, you just proved the author's point.
O.F. A.N. A.S.S.| 2.15.12 @ 3:57PM
We are only sheep being sodomized by liberal democrat Markist scab snot bubbles, but perhaps it is not a coincidence, but a direct correlation, that the greatest organized civilization ever known in history socially and politically and economically is because it was organized not by liberal democrat Markist scab snot bubbles but by Calvinists.
Perhaps the decline of the greatest organized civilization ever known in history socially and politically and economically is because that civilization no longer abides by what the Calvinists established to make the civilization the greatest ever known in history socially and politically and economically but abides by liberal democrat Markist scab snot bubbles, liberal democrat Markist scab snot bubbles who are sodomizers of sheep.
We sheep want to live in a world where humans do not sodomize sheep not because they can't but because they don't want to, but if that is not possible, at least acknowledge what is right from what is wrong.
After all, we sheep exist, not because rams sodomize with rams, and ewes sodomize with ewes, and ewes can arbitrarily kill lambs in gestation, but because we exist as we were created to according to the laws of nature.
Even sheep know this stuff.
Ovines For
A Nation
Absent Species Sodomization
BEEN THERE, DONE THAT| 2.15.12 @ 10:13AM
" . . .humanity was blessed with a divine gift which, in our manner of reproduction, differentiates man from beast."
Hogwash! Wash a hog in it.
Conjugal love? Please. You can have it.
With conjugal love you've got two hogs grunting and wallowing all over each other, exchanging all kinds of body fluids, along with gaseous emissions. Those gaseous emissions is what killed my regrettable experiences with conjugal love.
Conjugal sex is NOT a dignified performance. It is as animalistic and ugly as anything you will see in pornography.
There's only one positive thing I can say about conjugal sex:
You don't have to look your best when doing it.
SOO-EEE SOO-EEE SOO-EEE
Bella9| 2.15.12 @ 10:25AM
You're a hoot, BEEN THERE . . .,
My husband-- dead now for three years-- demanded every slobbering, sucking sexual fantasy that porn can offer. By the time he died, I was sick of sex.
No more disgusting sex for me! There are far too many beautiful things in this world that give me far more pleasure than messy sex.
Of course, I'm expecting hundreds of posters to tell me their very special conjugal sex is as pure and clean and as holy as . . . (you make up the simile)
fckewe| 2.15.12 @ 10:49AM
So you DO peek in the mirror in the dark!!!!!
Rudy| 2.15.12 @ 10:48AM
Women, heed what the Bible says:
1 Cor. 7:2. ... each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. 3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. 5 Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion. Heb. 13:4. Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure ...
fckewe| 2.15.12 @ 10:52AM
St Paul the Faggot? hahahahahahahaaaaaaa
PROOF of same sex marriage!!
As a GOD manifest.....
Christ NEVER loved a sister!!!!
SeymourGlass| 2.15.12 @ 10:56AM
Shouldn't you be in school?
macwell| 2.15.12 @ 2:44PM
School was obviously wasted on him/her/it.
Jacob R| 2.17.12 @ 7:18AM
Is there nobody to remove worthless troll comments like this?
I know when I get carried away on NYT.com they remove my comments. :)
O.F. A.N. A.S.S.| 2.17.12 @ 12:50PM
Even sheep know the New York Times is actively and aggressively engaged in forming, establishing, insuring, providing, promoting, and securing tyranny over liberty, so the oppression of your free speech is nothing to them.
We sheep do not seek to end the free speech of sodomizers of sheep, we sheep seek to end the sodomization of sheep.
Perhaps you could use your free speech to make a better argument against liberalism than sodomizers of sheep do.
Ovines For
A Nation
Absent Species Sodomization
da monk| 2.15.12 @ 4:42PM
Rudy: It's the 21st Century.Why are you directing this to ONLY WOMEN? Don't men have anything to do with sex? Re-read your high school biology book Get with it. Sex is natural. Besides, if God made anything better, he would have kept if for himself.
(Sexual Mores)| 2.16.12 @ 12:27PM
(The other two pansies below are waiting for you to rejoin them in the boudoir)
Jacob R| 2.17.12 @ 7:25AM
You sound like a lovely guy (one of the sexual deviants he talks about in the article).
And yea 'da monk' more sex baby yea, it's natural so we should get obsessed with it and harrass anyone who talks about the dangers of doing it too much!
That's why people sit around and watch movies of other people sneezing and spitting, cause its natural baby, it's got nothing to do with perversion, WE SWEAR JUST DON'T TAKE IT AWAY OR I'LL KILL MYSELF!!!!!!!
(Any ladies who like me and da monk's style, just know, we're free and natural babies!)
(Sexual Mores)| 2.17.12 @ 12:53PM
(Correction: four pansies)
Alan Brooks| 2.15.12 @ 11:58AM
"that which in an ordered society"
Above is your primary flaw: there is no ordered society and there never has been one.
Alan Brooks| 2.15.12 @ 12:10PM
...save for Stalinist Russia;
a worker would drink vodka, go to work, eat, sleep, drink vodka, go to work, eat, sleep, drink vodka...
it was an orderly existence as long as he did not get out of line.
canuckistani| 2.15.12 @ 2:11PM
Exactly. All they needed was some sort of domestic wildlife to f and a bottle to suck.
Bread and circuses, just modified.
Get out of our bedrooms fascists.
Alan Brooks| 2.16.12 @ 12:05AM
and Ms. Fabrizzi (should we call her "Mrs"?) frets about fatherless children- but she only cares for her kin. Agape love is a myth; Lisa wears her Christianity as a badge and nothing more.
Is it my imagination or as their power wanes these wingnuts are worsening? have they always been this way?
(Sexual Mores)| 2.16.12 @ 12:11PM
(You two pansies stay in your bedroom having this quiet conversation of yours and we'll all be happier)
POST American| 2.15.12 @ 6:26AM
The capstone Globalist agenda has
been calling for, for well over a
century, takeover of the resources
of the world ---standardization and annihilation
of the cultures --religions --and certainly the
family.
Feminism was KEY, along with
empty 'sports culture' and rampant
sex and pornography for the men.
----Always they compliment each
other.
It had been discovered in experiments
i n private chartered schools back in the
1920's that early sexualization DESTROYS
the ability to bond permanently later
in life. ----Pure gold for takign down
cultires. A EUGENISTS dream!
"We are living in a PSCHOPATHIC
system, designed by PSYCHOPATHS,
and they've given you a PSYCHOPATHIC
culture to go with it."
----------------IT IS and THEY HAVE---------------
SO, whenever you're ready to MOVE--
-----------------HUAC/ NUREMBERG-----------------
ella8| 2.15.12 @ 9:40AM
"Early sexualization destroys the ability to bond later in life". That is why they teach sixth graders how to maturbate. They call it health class. I wish the pervert that taught me this in sixth grade could be locked up, but we live in a world where that is the new normal and anyone who believes in the beauty and miracle of procreation is the misfit. I am wounded and scarred from my public school experience. I don't think you are crazy Post American, I'm glad somebody cares and is on the same side of the looking glass. I will never let my children take a public school "health" class even if it takes an act of civil disobedience.
Bella9| 2.15.12 @ 9:57AM
No teacher taught you to masturbate in the sixth grade. This is preposterous. All you're doing is trying to be provocative and sensational.
ella8| 2.15.12 @ 10:28AM
You are wrong. Go check it out for yourself. What are they teaching in sixth grade "health" class. Come back to me with an answer. I know what I learned. Sure it was taught from a textbook but is it any different than pornography and by a middle aged man to a young child girl. Also I was at the young end of the age spectrum for my class, I was most definately not mature enough for the content. I am scarred. Now in my 30s only recently with the guidance of the teachings of Pope John Paul have I started to learn how I was poisoned.
Bella9| 2.15.12 @ 10:38AM
I am not going to check it out.
YOU give me the name of your school and the title of the text.
I have been in various educational positions for the past 23 years, and I know what is taught in sex ed classes. And "how to masturbate" is not in the curriculum.
ella8| 2.15.12 @ 10:58AM
I am not giving away the name of my school and that was 20 years ago so how would I remember the name of the text. I was taught that masterbation is normal and not to feel bad about it and where are of the parts were that feel good. Why do they insist on teaching this to every child? Why is it not respected that what they teach goes against the Catholic teachings of love and procreation. On top of that I was taught that pregnancy is shameful and a disease that needs to be prevented or "cured". I don't care what people do to their own unborn, why can' t you people leave those of us with a different belief system alone? Why do you insist on shoving it down ours and our children's throats?
1-2 Punch| 2.18.12 @ 5:11PM
O'brien Middle School Stead, Nevada 1980 sixth grade in Phys. Ed. I remember all of snickering listening to our teachers talking to the class about masturbating.
ella8| 2.15.12 @ 10:43AM
Let me guess bella9 you went to Catholic school huh? Now you fight for your secular god planned parenthood. Only a common story. Well I am rebelling against the Church I was brought up in, the Church if Secularism brought to you by the public school system. You should thank your parents that you did not have to have your soul poisoned against your will only by your own choice. Believe what you want but leave me alone.
Bella9| 2.15.12 @ 10:51AM
Equivocation, ella8,
Know what equivocation means?
ella8| 2.15.12 @ 11:05AM
Don't play the dumb conservative card on me. You don't know me.
ella8| 2.15.12 @ 11:08AM
What don't you understand about leave me alone you bully. My soul has been poisoned enough by your kind. I am not asking for you to change, I am asking you to stop bullying me.
Just Tom| 2.15.12 @ 11:31AM
Ella,
Grow up. This is an online forum. How exactly can one be bullied? Bella does not know who you are, where you live,or how to contact you. No one else knows who you are. You spout something that is frankly hard to believe then get upset when someone does not. Have a cookie and chill out.
ella8| 2.15.12 @ 12:17PM
Well it would be easy to believe if you just go to a public school "health" class to find out what they are learning. Honestly I thought it was common knowledge that this gets taught, I thought that people just thought it was normal these days. If this was taught twenty years ago, I can't imagine what the kids are learning now. Whatever the studies say, I am here to tell you, learning this stuff in 6th grade causes emotional damage. Why is it so crazy to ask that kids not be exposed to pornography in school. I would like to know who was behind the content of that class. The more I learn about planned parenthood, the more I see how it matches their agenda. It has taken me years to get to the root of this problem and articulate how I feel about it. Why don't you eat a cookie and chill. Would you say the same thing to someone who was coming out with details on how their perverted uncle showed them pornography as a child? Tell the victim to eat a cookie, thats nice.
Just Tom| 2.15.12 @ 2:00PM
Ella,
Have 2. This happened to you, if it happened, 20 years ago. You're a victim because you style yourself a victim. You let an event of 20 years ago define who you are. I feel pity for you.
ella8| 2.15.12 @ 2:32PM
You are wrong. It is not just an event, but an entire perverse philosophy that was shoved down my throat. I am only beginning to learn about a philosophy that is so much more beautiful. You can believe what you want, why is it so difficult to let me believe what I want. And I am no innocent frail little flower don't worry, more like a mama grizzly.
Just Tom| 2.15.12 @ 4:16PM
I have never met a 'mama grizzly' who would complain about being bullied, nor one who would play the victimhood card after so many years.
ella8| 2.15.12 @ 4:37PM
I know right just suck it up. Well it happens to be relevant in my life right now, because I am just starting my conversion to Catholicism. So hopefully I will eventually learn to be less mama grizzly and soften my hardened heart again.
Alan Brooks| 2.16.12 @ 12:09AM
And she defends the totally psychotic PostAmerican- let's hope he is psycho, would hate to think PA is sane and just playacting nuts.
That would be extremely unusual.
Seek| 2.15.12 @ 1:06PM
Oh, my God! Scarred for life by masturbation! Call NBC's "Dateline."
ella8| 2.15.12 @ 1:09PM
No, scarred that a middle aged pervert taught it to me.
ella8| 2.15.12 @ 1:13PM
So in your world it is ok for an old man to teach a sixth grade girl about masterbation. That is fine if you want your children to learn it, but why should it be a requirement for every public school child. Why did I not have the right for my innocence to be protected?
Scott| 2.15.12 @ 2:59PM
So what exactly did they "teach" you? Did you have live demonstrations or something? If not, then grow the heck up.
spike59| 2.15.12 @ 3:12PM
according to the Left, as long as the old man makes artsy 'films', the sky's the limit
Scott| 2.15.12 @ 2:57PM
LMAO.....like you really need to "teach" 6th graders to masturbate. Ella, you are deeply distubred...and it's not from health class.
ella8| 2.15.12 @ 3:14PM
Right. From your side of the looking glass a person who believes that procreation is beautiful is disturbed. I am disturbed because I look back on the experience that stole my innocence at 10 years old as disturbing. See that is the problem about people on your side of the looking glass. You are ok with treating women as sex objects, God forbid if someone believes that love and sex are sacred. You are disturbed. The real bullies come from your side. You want to cram your beliefs down EVERYONE'S throat. Don't feed me any crap that you people are about choice.
Just Tom| 2.15.12 @ 4:18PM
Since when are 10 year olds in 6th grade?
ella8| 2.15.12 @ 4:29PM
Well I graduated when I was 17, was 16 at the beginning of my senior year. Did I do the math wrong. So 10 or 11, I would have been 10 for two months of the school year? Why do you care, are you one of the pervs that teaches kids about masturbation? Or maybe one of the gym teachers that forces mandatory group naked showers and sends the disobedient ones to the principal.
pnmnm| 2.17.12 @ 12:25AM
I have to agree with you, Ella. My 11-year old daughter came home one day after a sex class in her "fine" public school. She was old enough to know and say that, what she seen that day should not have been shown to her. She was too young. I still remember how visibly disturbed she was. She is now about your age. Childhood and innocence have been squashed by the promiscuous sexual bombardment from all quarters of society. Lisa Fabrizio hit the nail on the head. The tossers who have been insulting you and disagreeing with you still have the scales over their eyes. Rejoice in their barbs (oh, I see that you do) and pray for the scales to drop from the eyes of their souls. Just because a society as a whole or each individual cannot live up to an ideal does not mean that the ideal or the moral is not worth upholding, protecting, and promulgating. Keep up the good fight.
ella8| 2.17.12 @ 4:51PM
Thank you. I never talked to my parents about this. It is not even until recently that I have begun to understand what this did to me. I don't understand why this was allowed. Sixth grade was just the beginning. "Health" class was a requirement every year after that. My heart is hurting so bad right now, as I have learned that I was decieved and nobody tried to stop it.
ella8| 2.15.12 @ 4:32PM
Why is it all men chiming in on this discussion? Does something about teaching ten year old girls how to masturbate get you off somehow?
ella8| 2.15.12 @ 3:17PM
By the way Scott, keep your comments coming, you are just proving my point. Anyone who understands Catholic teachings understands how this is an assault on those teachings. You are a bigot.
ella8| 2.15.12 @ 3:25PM
You are just used to the twisted reality brought to you in doublespeak that you can't accept anyone who has a belief system that is different than yours.
Philip Cohen| 2.16.12 @ 2:41PM
"Now in my 30s only recently with the guidance of the teachings of Pope John Paul have I started to learn how I was poisoned."
Now you really are scarred ...
fckewe| 2.15.12 @ 10:57AM
Teacher tell you left handed was 'Bad'?
if I had been taught tantric sex the day I grew My first hardon.....
There would have been a couple dozen happier childhoods!
not to mention. . ...
da monk| 2.15.12 @ 4:45PM
Ella: In olden times women having what they then considered illicit sex was branded, worse, burned at the stake. Is that what you want to return to? By the way, why weren't men branded and burnt at the stake for illicit sex?
ella8| 2.15.12 @ 4:59PM
No, you are setting up a strawman argument, that is part of your doublespeak. I am not talking about other women, I am asking my beliefs to be respected. I don't care who you have sex with, just get your jackboots off me. Are you saying that if we stop teaching 10 year old girls how to masterbate that we are going to start burning them on the stake. I am choosing Catholicism of my own free will, I am not asking you to share my belief, I am a libertarian, I don't care what you do, I just want you to stop forcing your beliefs on me and children whose parents oppose.
joe| 2.16.12 @ 12:38PM
I was never taught to Masterbate in School, I was self taught. Masterbation is the greastest Gift of Mankind. I am sorry that some one has put it in your Head that it is somehow bad and you should feel guilty about a common practice which is done by 99% of Men and Women. It is the definition of Safe Sex.
ella8| 2.16.12 @ 8:54PM
That is your belief and I was taught it in 6th grade. What on earth makes these people think it is ok to teach this stuff to 10 year olds. If you want your children to learn that sex is all about pleasure and should they get pregnant performing an act of pleasure then they can just go get the "disease" in their womb discarded then have at it, but I want better for my children.
Richard Baker| 2.15.12 @ 6:49AM
Well, to be sure we've reaped the whirlwind, haven't we? Endless commercials for Erectile Dysfunction, Cialis/Viagra, and the cesspool of daily talk shows from Maury, Jerry, and all the other purveyors of this trash show the depths to which we've sunk. Like a pretty girl as much as anyone but the endless depravity is killing us. Sad.
L L Beano| 2.15.12 @ 10:28AM
Commercial depravity is a byproduct of captitalism. There's money in it.
D. Singh| 2.15.12 @ 10:36AM
L L Beano| 2.15.12 @ 10:28AM
State facilitated depravity is a byproduct of socialism. There's increased state control in it..
L L Beano| 2.15.12 @ 10:54AM
I think it's the commercial kind of depravity that is coarsening our society.
What you mean by state facilitated depravity puzzles me. Specific examples, please.
Teaghan| 2.15.12 @ 1:29PM
How about they are both adding to the coarsening of our society?
No question.
D. Singh| 2.16.12 @ 2:45AM
L L Beano| 2.15.12 @ 10:54AM
I refer you to ella8's posts above.
johnadamsxii| 2.15.12 @ 6:55AM
Great article. The real cause of the culture wars is people's belief that they should be able to have sex without consequences, an idea that nature routinely contradicts.
spike59| 2.15.12 @ 3:14PM
kind of like ice cream without calories
johnadamsxii| 2.15.12 @ 7:01AM
Another thing. Have you ever wondered why we don't have orphanages anymore? We used to have them in every town. What happened to all those children? We killed them. Just so we could screw around. God will hold us accountable.
fckewe| 2.15.12 @ 10:59AM
The REAL cause of your erectile dysfunction is your jealousy! Don;t be mad because I find your wife attractive. Be happy for her. she's FINALLY geting some dick!!!!!!
Citizen Jerry| 2.15.12 @ 11:33AM
As someone asked earlier, Shouldn't you be in school?
StephenF| 2.15.12 @ 12:42PM
You worthless POS coward. You would not dare say these things face to face. You are a poster child of the moral decay destroying this country. You are a coward and a wimp. Thankfully for you God loves you and you still have a chance to change your ways.
Seek| 2.15.12 @ 1:08PM
You're another example of God's love, no doubt.
Teaghan| 2.15.12 @ 1:30PM
Yes, he is.
Con Chef (NB) | 2.15.12 @ 1:31PM
And you are the arbiter of who's such an example? HA!
spike59| 2.15.12 @ 3:15PM
i bet you find his family pets even MORE attractive
Gary| 2.15.12 @ 4:54PM
Your blog ID is a gem, real cool, original for a 13 year old. Your profanity is unoriginal, but you are forgiven as there is no original profanity. Your opinions all seem to originate below the waist. True, we are all sexual "animals" but we are also human capable of more than base functions and capable of channeling those functions in such a way that can lead to long term happiness in life, not just lives spent satisfying appetites. The institution of marriage and moral codes were not designed to spoil your adolescent cravings, but to bring some semblance of order, stability, so that children could be reared to become functional members of society and not wards of the state or community. With 40% of children being born out of wedlock, we are spiraling into chaos, for what, just so you can get your jollies? I am a widower after 41 years of marriage to a good woman and grieve daily at her loss. We had problems as all do, but overcame them, including the death of a child. Our romantic life was happy and at age 66 I have no regrets as to my marriage. Many marriages don't succeed, but a good marriage is worth fighting for, and the demise of that institution may leave more room for license, dalliance, self gratification, but it will diminish our humanity.
Brian Mc| 2.15.12 @ 7:04AM
The primary tool in the socialist war chest...beating us down, into submission and disempathy. I cringe and am saddened by the cultural lean that has turned motherhood into a disease to be avoided and fatherhood into a laughingstock to be scoffed at through commercials and every other sitcom. Just watched "Rum Diaries" and realize first, there's two hours lost; and second, I rented it and without malice have empowered the beast.
POST American| 2.15.12 @ 7:10AM
"Remember, 'Sexual Liberation' was and is just
a capstone code term for YOUR elimination
---VIA SEX."
-POST American
SO --keep a goin' ----just keep a goin'
--------Hemmorhoids, steroids and MAN-VOIDS
------------------JUST KEEP ON GOIN'
L L Beano| 2.15.12 @ 3:17PM
Sex is definitely over-rated in my book. I, too, am sick to death of it being projected into every corner of our society.
And as for TV's vulgarity, aren't the networks catering to the dumb, vulgar taste of the American people? Looks that way to me.
And so many young girls are dressing like sluts today. They are deliberately projecting a sexually-provocative image, but if a teenage boy touches them . . . watch out!
Please . . . I am so tired of our sexually-tittilating popular culture. No wonder the Islamists hate us!
Appleby| 2.15.12 @ 7:12AM
I have a New Yorker cartoon from sometime in the 1970s in which a worried-looking lady at a bookstore is asking a clerk, "How long do I have to wait until sex goes out of fashion?" That's the way I have felt about it for at least the last 40 years, being one of those people who think waves crashing on the beach, or Doris Day hanging a Do Not Disturb sign on the hotel room door, was enough information in any movie or book. P.J. O'Rourke calls this fixation on scatology Toddler Liberation: the demand that one be permitted to take off all one's clothes in public, yell "Poo Poo Head!" in church, and stick everything in one's mouth. My own hypothesis is that, just exactly as Aldous Huxley predicted so well in Brave New World, the people who like to control people have discovered that the one way to do it that will never fail is to infantalize the people -- give them sex, drugs, and endless parties, and you can do what you like with the rest of life. I have given up watching all the "comedy" on television and reading modern novels, because it's all scatological toddler poo-poo-head "humour" and no adults as I recognize the term are in evidence anywhere.
I have seen in my own family though, signs that the generation that immediately followed my own is turning its back on this meme. The children of my liberal sisters are marrying young, having children while young, and staying home to bring them up while the husbands are working their backsides off to keep the wheels turning. It warms my heart to see this happening and I am sure it's happening all over the USA although nobody seems to be reporting it.
I hope and pray it will continue to be so. Rick Santorum's election to the presidency would be a tremendous boost to the trend.
W| 2.15.12 @ 8:00AM
Are you a fan of PJ O'Rourke? His book, Parliament of Whores, is the best book on conservatism/libertarianism, along with with Enemies List.
albert constantine jr.| 2.15.12 @ 9:39AM
I've been reading O'Rourke since NatLamp in the 70s, and the record of his journey in his many works from "hippy peace creep" to where he is today is full of insight and laugh out loud moments.
W| 2.15.12 @ 9:57AM
P.J. is great. Did you read his enemies list?
albert constantine jr.| 2.15.12 @ 10:15AM
If its the one he wrote in the early 90s, I did. He could probably do a sequel today.
fckewe| 2.15.12 @ 11:00AM
Name ONE author who wishes they lived in a closet with you.
ONE!
albert constantine jr| 2.15.12 @ 12:37PM
(At the risk of feeding an unbalanced troll) I reject the premise of your inquiry. There is no closet in which I would choose to dwell, nor anyone, author or otherwise, with whom I would do it. Rest assured, though, were such circumstances forced upon me with you as a co-habitant, I would be residing solo wearing sheepskin in short order.
Teaghan| 2.15.12 @ 1:41PM
Mr/Ms ewe,
I suggest you seek counseling. Your rants are disturbing.
Drunken Sailor| 2.15.12 @ 2:02PM
No that aren't. Sophmoric yes, disturbing no.
Seek| 2.15.12 @ 1:09PM
O'Rourke was funny. Today...not so much. His schtick is getting tiresome. And he's turned into a really crabby McCarthyist, as opposed to a funny one. Can he even be called a libertarian anymore?
scotchieguy| 2.15.12 @ 11:28AM
The best quote from him I committed to memory: "Giving money and power to congress is like giving whiskey and the car keys to your teenaged son." I also like this one from his latest book dealing with global warming, "the problem with global warming is 1.3 billion Chinese want a Buick."
albert constantine jr| 2.15.12 @ 12:38PM
I believe P.J. 's family owned a Buick dealership in Ohio in the middle of the 20th century, and they remain a sentimental favorite of his.
Butch| 2.15.12 @ 5:37PM
I still have my original 1974 Kaleidoscope. Anybody else partake? All young men back then had it completely memorized. Funniest thing I ever read, to this day. Group writing, but P.J. was the editor and I'm sure a major contributor.
albert constantine jr.| 2.15.12 @ 8:56PM
I think the underground newspaper he participated in while residing in Baltimore was called the "Balto-Cong".
Appleby| 2.16.12 @ 3:50PM
My favourite PJ O'Rourke book so far is "Give War a Chance." In the introduction he comments that liberals frequently call him a Nazi. He replies to them that it could be worse -- nobody has ever fantasized about being dominated by liberals.
He also says that Conservatives believe in God and liberals believe in Santa Claus. The difference is that there IS a God.
And finally he comments on the fact that nobody pays attention to the 10th Commandment, although it's the one that establishes property rights. The short version as he relates is "Go get your own!" And he says that seeing there are only 10 Commandments, it's instructive that God saw fit to include property rights.
Bobloblaw| 2.15.12 @ 8:39AM
""I hope and pray it will continue to be so. Rick Santorum's election to the presidency would be a tremendous boost to the trend.""
No it actualyl wouldnt. Anymore than Reagan's was. SoCons make mistake of thinking what matters is the "big" elections in determining the culture of the country. Win the local school board elections, city council etc. Notice how the left goes more nuts over conservatives in these positions than say a SoCon for Senate???
We've lost the culture because the right was focused on winning in 1972, 1980, 1984 and 1988 Presidential Elections, while the left was focused on who your kids teacher would be. The result. Reagan won 49 states in 1984 and in 2008 the Mellenial Generation supported Obama 66-33.
Bob Grant| 2.15.12 @ 9:25AM
"..the people who like to control people have discovered that the one way to do it that will never fail is to infantalize the people -- give them sex, drugs, and endless parties, and you can do what you like with the rest of life"
--- sounds like the Eloi from H.G. Well's Time Machine.
fckewe| 2.15.12 @ 11:01AM
Or 525 members in Congress.
O.F. A.N. A.S.S.| 2.15.12 @ 11:16AM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
Appleby| 2.16.12 @ 3:51PM
Me too; much good it has ever done me.
macwell| 2.15.12 @ 2:56PM
Exactly.
With God all things r possible| 2.15.12 @ 9:56AM
"I have given up watching all the "comedy" on television and reading modern novels, because it's all scatological toddler poo-poo-head "humour" and no adults as I recognize the term are in evidence anywhere."
Other symptoms of the culture of death are the shows about death itself (CSI x 10) and witchcraft ("Secret Circle" etc.).
Skippy| 2.15.12 @ 4:39PM
Agreed.
I cannot imagine what the fascination is with a fictional TV series whose purpose seems to be presenting the most disgusting and disturbing graphic details of senseless murders.
Unspeakable.
Hypocrisy| 2.19.12 @ 2:59PM
Can you imagine what purpose vehemently opposing any pregnant woman considering an abortion be required before having one when there is a national fascination with disgusting and disturbing graphic details of senseless murders?
Would not a new channel, The Abortion Channel, showing abortions 24 hours a day, be the highest rated show in history?
doug| 2.15.12 @ 10:51AM
Well done, Appleby....one way to infantilism is to
enmesh the populace in the seductive web of
the Nanny State
Boar Hunter| 2.15.12 @ 10:55AM
A most excellent and encouraging post my friend.
Mike w| 2.15.12 @ 9:36PM
You are referring to the same pj o rourke who basically said that southerners are cracker trash klan members. He wrote that in that The Weekly Standard right after the 2008 election
PolishKnight| 2.16.12 @ 9:47AM
Indeed, the men have to work like dogs, even moreso than in the 1950's, to overcome reverse discrimination in the workplace and higher taxes for the welfare state in order to live up to the required breadwinner role.
When so-called traditional women have spoiled entitlement attitudes and engage in "be a real man" shaming ploys while they need only eat and breathe, it's not very inspiring to young men to break their backs to do so.
Appleby| 2.16.12 @ 3:53PM
My nieces are traditional women and are not like that at all. (So is one of my sisters, and she considers it "the best life"; both her daughter and son have traditional families, and her son married a devout Catholic and converted, and they are expecting their third child this summer.
Kenny| 2.15.12 @ 7:23AM
The left hates and family and the sexual revolution was one way it used (and is using) to destroy it.
Von Mises Jr.| 2.15.12 @ 9:02AM
The sexual revolution was an attempt to get ugly liberal women and metrosexual males some action like the the conservatives were enjoying in normal relationships.
Take a look at Hillary, Janet Napolitano, Janet Reno and Elena Kagan and you will know what I mean. Then consider that BJ Clinton, Gore, DSK are all sexual predators. And then you have Barney Frank who constantly makes a spectacle of himself. I rest my case!
Darcy| 2.15.12 @ 7:34AM
One thing that's very frustrating about the current debate is the equation of contraception with "women's health." It seems like the so-cons are willing to cede the high ground on this one. Sex = health? Where do all these morons come from?
johnadamsxii| 2.15.12 @ 5:39PM
I agree. Birth control and abortion can only be healthcare if pregnancy is a disease.
Birth control neuters healthy women. As for abortion, anyone can just take a look at the pictures.
Doctor_X| 2.15.12 @ 7:39AM
A female Suni Muslin classmate of mine said it best. One spring day in class when we were on break and sitting in the hall a bunch of students walked by, mostly female in short shorts. My classmate said "I feel sorry for males in this country having to be exposed to that"
No dressing like a slut isn't a reason for someone to be raped, buit dressing like a slut does say a lot about how you view yourself.
R Martin| 2.15.12 @ 7:52AM
When the country venerates its most base, licentious politicians rather than scorns them and in their honor names roads, bridges, airports, space centers and performing arts facilities after them...what signal does that send?
canuckistani| 2.15.12 @ 2:21PM
It says that the country has calculated that what happens behind closed doors by consenting adults is no one's business. The fact that the church had institutional rape for generations shows that trying to manage human sexuality is useless, and education is the only solution.
RR was the first divorced president. Was agnostic and had a wife who brought astrologers into the WH. He also pandered to racists and paved the way for the Nixon southern strategy. He has a gay son and a Playboy daughter. If he indeed had conservative sexual views, it sure as hell did not translate well inside his own home.
See Palin's abstinence programming success in her own home as well.
These facts are far more troubling than whether he had eyes for every skirt - and signals to the rest of us that decisions like sexuality are best left to informed adults without the boot of the g on our necks. Unless you're into that.....
macwell| 2.15.12 @ 3:15PM
First off, if you'd KEEP it behind closed doors, no one would have a problem, but as you know, that's not the case.
Whatever President Reagan's family decided to do with their lives, is their choice, not his, and they must live, and die with the consequences of their decisions.
I don't blame hollywood or TV stations, or books for the condition America's in, I blame "we the people".
After all, we remained the silent majority while one woman threw God from our classrooms.
Let me ask you in hindsight?
Do you think that was a good decision?
Do you believe America's children have benefitted from replacing moral fiber and a classical education with the touchy-feely pablum that's being taught today? Hell man kids graduate high school and can't add or subtract, or read a newspaper. Some are barely literate.
We the people, the former silent majority cannot remain so. We must save America before it's too late.
Vote them all out.
No more careers in politics.
Congress was never meant to be a career.
Congress was never meant to be run by mostly lawyers.
If we the people had a Congress that represented us, it wouldn't matter who the president was/is
(Sexual Mores)| 2.16.12 @ 12:19PM
(The pleasure of self inflicted humiliation from reasoned responses this masochist desires has been satiated for the time being but this sickistani will soon be back for 'more')
rnd| 2.16.12 @ 12:51AM
R. Martin, you are right. I'd hate to think (but it is probably, very, very likely) that JFK had to --- at times --- wonder very deeply if his various mistresses and the 19 year old college coed from Massachusetts were pregnant -- while dealing with Kruschev, Moscow, Nukes, Cuba and perhaps what we are told was just days and hours away from World War III.
See that is the problem with licentiousness. Boys don't grow out of it. THEY DON'T. You can see men in their 60's who still frequent strip clubs and avidly watch porn. What golfer hasn't heard fat 50 year old men, geezerly 60 year old men talk about what they'd love to do to that 21 year old gal who is teeing off one hole ahead?
This is what everyone does not understand. Perversions tend to be lifetime pernicious.
Yes, I am sure that Kennedy's worries about STDs and unwanted pregnancies probably clouded over moments he needed to be making sober, focused decisions that impacted the nation. (It was the same with King David).
I call for removal of his name everywhere. Getting a coed drunk after purposely having her invited to the pool, checking her out at the White House pool and violating her body. (And claiming to be a good Christian husband, father, president!) The guy needed her defenses down via alcohol first.
Shame that the pervert wasn't shot and dead out in the Pacific 17 years before.
Appleby| 2.16.12 @ 3:55PM
You know what strikes me as increasingly odd? That whenever someone we know or who is well known gets arrested, 90% of the men in the group almost immediately start fantasizing about prison rape. Why do you think that is?
Rocker| 2.16.12 @ 10:59PM
It's much more racial than you think. It's blacks who all too often do the raping and it's whites who are the frequent targets. Time to man up and fight back.
Indy| 2.15.12 @ 7:57AM
I saw this video yesterday, Planned Parenthood is the driver of the mandate and look at what they are teaching children H/T rightscoop
http://www.therightscoop.com/d.....ds-on-sex/
Our tax dollars at work folks...
Betina| 2.15.12 @ 8:29AM
Sex is the weapon used by the Bolsheviks in America to destroy us from within. Sex ed? Who needed to be "educated" in sex prior to the 1960's? And for YEARS? It's not education. It's DESENSITIVATION. When a kid starts sexual activity he (she) pulls away from the family. Destroying the family, creating enemies of men and women, changing the sex roles, the entire formula that made stable families was turned on its head by the lies, propaganda, and cultural rot of the left. The goal has ALWAYS been to eliminate families and made the government the head of all families. The more problems the government creates, the more "solutions" they have. The black family was the lab rat for the left. And society has seen the filth spread to other demographics. I "learned" about sex in 10 minutes when an older relative told me the score. I never had to be "educated" any more than thousands of years of humanity had to sit through "classes" to be taught. Sex ed is shock treatment foisted upon a mind too immature and quasi-innocent to handle it. A mind that should be focused on other things but is deliberately "turned" so that it can be further molded. We thought things were starting to get pretty vile back in the sixties but now we have "gay love" with all its vile images being pounded into our brains on a daily basis. Raise your hands if you don't think that's enough to gross out and repulse a society, let alone its youngest members who are at a period in their lives that should be free of this filth? It's called kindergarten after all. A children's garden and all it implies. Not a sex saturated environment where Heather has two Mommys and Daddy's boyfriend just came for dinner. This country lacked the guts to push back on all this filth. Tolerance is one thing. Acceptance and indoctrination are quite another matter entirely. And for what? Because we don't want to be called homophobes? Go ahead. Call me a homophobe. If it means less children will have to have their brains taken over by the soul eating bacteria let loose on the public by the left, it's fine with me. As a matter of fact, here's my short response: FU.
scotchieguy| 2.15.12 @ 11:08AM
Well said.
doug| 2.15.12 @ 11:52AM
Well done, Betina
THKrupp| 2.15.12 @ 12:13PM
I think what we lack now is simply politeness. I believe that is what you are more concerned with rather than sex education. I was 5 when I got a very indepth sex education in the gestation barn on our hog farm. By the time I was 7-8 I was helping dad artificially inseminate and collect semen. This knowlege didnt hurt me, if anything it helped me. I realized what caused babies from an early age. Growing up on a farm and being a biology student made me realize sex is going on all around us constantly 24 hours a day. The air is literally full of sperm during pollen season. We eat sex organs when we eat fruit. The only way you can eat at Macdonalds is that man has bent the sex lives of animals to his will. When I was in Jr high I was quite capable of delivering babies. I had also preformed abortions. There is no grossness about it. Its basic biology. This took all the mystery and sexiness out of it.
I understood how screwed up your life becomes when you have a child at an age you are not prepared for it. As a consequence my life has been much better that my friends who had children early not because they wanted to but because they messed up. Yes children are a blessing to people who want and are ready for them. They are not a blessing to young people just getting started. That doesnt mean things dont turn out, it just means that things dont turn out as well as they might have.
Sex is a biological function that happens to be enjoyable. Most people make such a huge deal about sex. Most people are hardwired to want it, we dont exist without it. Everything we do is because of sex on some level, even if we dont realize it. This is why advertisers use sex to sell everything, because it works. Sex motivates us on a basic level that we are not always even conscience about. There is nothing magic about sex. People tend to believe that its either much more important than it is or that its not important enough.
doolittle| 2.15.12 @ 4:40PM
this is the most insightful as well as being polite comment I've read so far. What a lot of nasty and unhappy seem to be out and about today
Truth and Reality| 2.16.12 @ 2:57PM
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more polite Union, establish Justice through Abortion, insure domestic Tranquility through national Bankruptcy, cease the common Defence, promote the Specific Welfare of only favored People at the expense of the General Welfare of the unfavored People, and secure the Cursings of Tyranny to ourselves and our Posterity less those Aborted, do ordain and establish the 2013 budget Eliminating Waste, Reducing the Deficit, and providing all People paying their Fair Share, according to the president's own words, as revealed in the Office of Management and Budget. attempting to ordain and establish record setting Federal Spending, and exponently more Debt, for this the Polite United States of Polite America.
pnmnm| 2.17.12 @ 12:45AM
This is quite insightful if one believes that all we are is animals, without any purpose other than living and dying. The point of the article is that our society has made a huge deal out of sex, saturated our lives with it, and so it has become our Tower of Babel. Our sterile culture has debased it to the point that the reason for its existence has been lost to the sole purpose of pleasure.
THKrupp| 2.17.12 @ 2:19PM
My point is that our lives are saturated with sex...there is no escaping it. Even religion appears to be saturated with controlling sexual behavior. We are at a certain level basically animals. I do not believe that is all we are but on a basic level we are. Much of what makes men want to do great things, get rich, etc etc is so that they can attract females. Women tend marry men who can take care of them. Its not 100% and with women earning more this is changing but at a basic level Im right.
Society has made a huge deal about sex but as an immigrant said to me. "you guys are all about sex but no one is getting any" Its all about advertisments.
I believe that people fall into two camps; ones that over exaggerate the importance of sex and the ones that think that it means nothing. Sex is very important to a healthy relationship but its not the only thing. A relationship cannot be based on it but a relationship where there is none typically isnt very healthy either.
Teaghan| 2.15.12 @ 1:49PM
FANTASTIC post. Thank you.
Kevin in Appalachia| 2.15.12 @ 8:29AM
Ecclesiastes 3:15 That which is has already been, And what is to be has already been; And God requires an account(judgment) of what is past.
Liberalism| 2.16.12 @ 7:32PM
Wrong-O. Liberals use their mature conscience judicially and with extreme empathy to abort millions of babies therefore earn a waiver from that absolute morality superstitious nonsense - so there phttttttthh - neener neener neener.
Tina B| 2.15.12 @ 8:37AM
Thanks to Appleby and W for new book recommendations, I grew up reading P.J. O'Rourke.
Just thinking. Now we describe the pregnant Mom-to-be as having a "baby bump". I've never liked that. It makes it about the woman and her body, not that miraculous new life within her, the Baby.
Having seen an adoption come full circle over the last 5 years, I speak from experience. A baby is a miracle gift from God, to you or to someone else, but surely not to be killed, in the name of a woman's body.
W| 2.15.12 @ 9:59AM
Tina,
I knew I liked you. Anyone who likes PJ is a fine person.
Claypoole| 2.15.12 @ 8:45AM
Another consequence of today's sexual license is the heartbreaking number of children beaten and/or killed by "mommy's boyfriend." Not their fathers--their true fathers may be unknown--but the men who parade through their homes, men who service mommy, but will not marry her.
David W| 2.15.12 @ 9:01AM
I remember, many years ago, reading an article where an "adult" entertainer was being interviewed. In it she complained about her ex-boyfriend not treating her with respect. Kind of laughable, after being paid to have sex with men and women in front of a camera she expects to be treated with respect (by someone who was also in the same industry).
Socialism/Communism/Facism works to destroy the bonds between man and woman and between man/woman and God. By doing so every man and woman will have to turn to the state for support and comfort instead of each other, or family, or God.
tumult| 2.16.12 @ 2:23AM
Well put. Well observed, David. Thank you.
Yes, for 45 years following the close of World War II, the USSR and Warsaw Pact nations were all about the destruction of families, the notion that "Mother Russia" or the "Fatherland!" were a child's true parents. This brainwashing was incessant.
It was (still is) highly effective.
If one adds human debauched deviancies to this mix of state doctrine/propaganda, well, there is no society, civil or otherwise. The end result is a hell on this earth.
Hell -- the absence of God.
We would have this already were it not for what Jesus promised at His ascension: The presence of the Holy Spirit.
THKrupp| 2.16.12 @ 12:56PM
Actually the communist party leadership in the USSR were very prudish. They did not condone sleeping around or freewheeling morality. Yes they wanted your first loyalty to be to the state but they also wanted a very moral buttoned up social structure as well.
P.Smith| 2.15.12 @ 9:08AM
The sexual revolution will be over as drug resistant venereal diseases gain ground.
USSAlabama| 2.15.12 @ 9:37AM
The CDC warned just this week of an incurable strain of gonorrhea.
Drunken Sailor| 2.15.12 @ 10:46AM
Why? HIV didn't stop it. I hope your right but I just don't see it when our society spoon feeds the public sex all day, everyday.
Seek| 2.15.12 @ 1:11PM
Is this something you're praying for? This is old stuff. Back in the 1940s, when pencillin was first developed, various clergymen denounced the drug as promoting promiscuity.
Wtih God all things r possible| 2.15.12 @ 9:17AM
"This desire for unfettered access to sex is probably one of the greatest reasons for this country's unfortunate descent into the realms of atheism and agnosticism."
Well, yes, a person's morality does determine his theology, but it also works the other way around. People who reject the truth that they know about God are eventually abandoned by that God to a life of sexual immorality, which descends into perversity. The Apostle Paul's letter to the Romans (Ch. 1) gives us the road map. By the end, we have the gay pride parade, and the culture of licentiousness imposed by force:
"For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
"Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
"Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."
JimBeam| 2.16.12 @ 9:25AM
That's a modern mistranslation. Romans 1:26 talks about heterosexual perversion, not lesbianism. The verse says NOTHING about women and other women, just women committing unnatural acts. Looking at the historical and textual context, Paul was talking about women committing unnatural acts with men, specifically a certain unnatural act commonly associated with male homosexuals.
In other words, God did NOT let heterosexuals off the hook.
JimBeam| 2.16.12 @ 9:27AM
Modern misinterpretation that it refers to lesbians, not mistranslation.
Far more people have been hurt by heterosexual perversion than lesbianism. (Lesbians are fairly tame.)
Liberalism| 2.16.12 @ 7:37PM
Liberals are not only expert theologian scholars but imbibe only the highest quality hootch - you losers - 3-ways got waivers in the Bible you sick-Os - deal with it.
D. Singh| 2.15.12 @ 9:21AM
Sir
First class article by Fabrizio and an excellent post by Appleby.
Over on this side of the Atlantic we have a generation of schoolboys addicted to filth viewed on their mobile phones.
I was wondering if any of your readers had any thoughts on how this may or may not affect crime and their attitudes towards females?
Wtih God all things r possible| 2.15.12 @ 9:34AM
Pornography is like a drug, in that viewing pornography releases natural endorphin substances in the body (but in unnatural amounts and in unnatural, solitary settings) and makes for chemical dependency, even addictions.
A 12-step recovery group, particularly one in a church that believes and obeys the Bible, along with psychotherapy from the same perspective (i.e., one that doesn't view pornography as harmless) is your best approach.
The book "Beauty and the Best" can also be an excellent way to start to regain a natural and healthy respect for real flesh & blood women.
Great question. May God bless you for asking it.
D. Singh| 2.15.12 @ 9:40AM
Wtih God all things r possible| 2.15.12 @ 9:34AM
Thank you, Sir.
Renaissance Nerd | 2.15.12 @ 9:24AM
I think it's sad and funny that the predictions of all the nay-sayers before each of these lurches towards Gomorrah came to pass were always right, but usually slightly understated compared to the reality that followed. In every case they called it right--they said if abortion became legal it would never be 'safe, legal and rare' but common and widespread. They said that promiscuity would explode if 'the pill' became legal. They said women working in factories would blur the distictions between the sexes and make women more masculine. Ad infinitum...the stodgy old folks called it right every time. And now we have people completely confused; women think men are women except they're too mean to actually ACT like women, and men think women are men with breasts. The cardinal arguments of feminism are classic double-think: everything traditionally masculine is better than everything traditionally feminine, and women are morally superior to men. They seriously think that men kept all the 'good stuff' for themselves--you know, drudgery, danger, war, all the fun stuff in life. The cave-man conspiracy to make women weaker by forcing them to stay in the cave while the men went out and hunted, that has somehow been kept alive for 150,000 years to this very day. I'd like to make a prediction: the APA will attempt to normalize pedophilia soon, and if they manage it legally, we will see an explosion in children being sold as sex-slaves to wealthy people in return for a college education, or something of that sort. Some sop for the parents to make them think they're doing well by their children. An escape from poverty via forced prostitution, that kind of thing.
It's one of the reasons I just can't be a libertarian. As Adam Smith noted, there is a minimum moral standard for what we call capitalism to function. We're past that point, which is one reason we've slid into socialism. We don't have the moral strength as a nation to maintain a free enterprise system. We deceive ourselves, hence we are easily deceived by others. The obsession with sex is a symptomatic of self-deception, and don't worry, we have thousands of 'experts' to tell us comforting lies and ensure we remain in our warm and fuzzy mental prisons.
All the nay-sayers were correct--their predictions have been borne out in every area of life. So why does such success in prediction translate to complete failure in competition? The very name of the conservative movement gives it away. Preserving what is, and making dire predictions about changes that prove correct, has almost no power over human minds. People become conservative for many reasons, but it is rarely BECAUSE of study and meditation on reality. Usually these things become justifications after the change. The simple truth is that emotion is more powerful than reason. People need an emotional reason to change before reason can take hold. Look at the French Revolution, literally worshipping the 'Goddess of Reason,' yet among the most passionate episodes in all of history. Reason walked out the door long before the Robespierre's reign of terror.
The left has emotion sewn up, which is why they've won so often. Think news stories appeal to reason? HA! Think movies are dispassionate displays of philosophical excellence? Double-HA! They push emotional responses, at every level, and our attempts to combat them are all based on reason, and rarely based on emotion. Sometimes emotion becomes an ally of the right, as with the TEA Party, but the passion has been killed by endlessly reasonable explanations. It is a crucial mistake. Wonder why Romney can't 'connect' with the voters? He's too reasonable and dispassionate. Everything else is just after-the-fact justification.
Bob Grant| 2.15.12 @ 10:25AM
"..As Adam Smith noted, there is a minimum moral standard for what we call capitalism to function. "..
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Absolutely. Capitalism cannot truly work without that moral component you described.
The best example I can think of is when someone from the south describes how a handshake agreement is worth a thousand written contracts. Of course, that kind of folksy language is mocked and denigrated today.
cuban pete| 2.15.12 @ 11:06AM
I believe the Founders of this country assumed that the vast majority of the citizens had a personal moral and/or religious code that would govern their day to day lives. Without this a free republic is not possible.
Peppermint Tea| 2.15.12 @ 9:31AM
Yes, it is all in the recipe. Who needs family when the Nanny State will take care of it all? Who needs husbands when government pays the bills? Who needs wives when girlfriends will do it? 42% of US babies are born out of wedlock. Of the remaining 58%, half live in step-families. One third of men have never married, preferring to get the milk for free and never buying the cow. This will only change when the government refuses to subsidize or perhaps collapses. Then women will be a little more picky about who they sleep with and men will be men or die.
If it doesn't change...then we will become the demographic Greece (and Europe) and Fortinbrass (Islam) will arrive at the castle to find it empty.
Peppermint Tea| 2.15.12 @ 9:33AM
Who would have thought more sex = less children?
You can read about this in THE GREAT DEPRESSION CHECKLIST (amazon dot com) under the heading, "why it will be worse this time."
Bruce| 2.15.12 @ 9:56AM
This article reminds me of what happened to me last night. I was on an errand to pick up some items and decided to eat before returning home. Since I am single and was alone, I sat at the bar. One of the waitstaff (I would say waitresses, but might get a non-PC rant) was on break. She was speaking to a co-worker about Valentine Day plans. She said she didn't have a plan and would even have to buy her own flowers since she didn't have a "valentine". Before I left, she also told her coworker she wasn't looking forward to the time 6 months from now when she would be having a child. My first thought was "How sad." Then I thought about how the choices she had made had brought her to her present circumstances. On the way out the door, I asked if she was really going to have to buy her own flowers. She stated again that she had no "valentine" in her life. I gave her some money (even though she hadn't waited on me) and told her that she now had a "valentine" for this year and wouldn't have to buy her own flowers. I wasn't going to get into a debate about her actions. I just wanted to show her there was still someone who cared for and "loved" her enough to do something decent.
Bob Grant| 2.15.12 @ 10:12AM
Good on ya. It was a smart move not to enter into a conversation about her choices. I've attempted to do that at times and get the typical indignant reaction that I"m being too judgmental. Just a hint of that and the hornet's nest becomes alive.
rnd| 2.16.12 @ 1:12AM
Bruce, it was good of you to offer her this gesture.
There is an entire nation in Asia that suffers due to "choices."
I will use it to illustrate that "choices" always result in consequences. And 10's of thousands of people making "choices" (bad ones) dooms that nation -- forever.
The nation is the Philippines.
A land of sunshine, a long rainy season, warm weather, endless coastlines, incredible fruits, fishing everywhere, boats of all shapes and sizes, EXTREME POVERTY, and endless lists of single parent women under the age of 40.
The Philippines: The mail-order bride capital of the world.
The statistics are incredible. The majority of the children born out of wedlock, no fathers, a lawlessness corruption from one province to the next that does not even chase down men to bear any responsibilities. Countless women in the 100's of thousands who made promiscuous "choices" who are not just unwanted chattel because of their 1,2,3 or more children but because they are deflowered non virgins.
The deadbeat men have plenty of ripe new 19 year old girls to annually repeat the death-spiral of a society cycle.
The Philippines is a basket case IN EVERY RESPECT presently being primed by China for takeover. They KNOW that it will be easy pickings.
The Philippines. A place forever doomed -- by "choices."
"Choices" have micro and MACRO consequences.
And what is the lesson for America? For Canada? For the UK?
Bob Grant| 2.15.12 @ 9:56AM
While watching some forgettable show on some forgettable cable channel, there, out of nowhere, was a commercial for a vibrator. Not some discreet-shaped one but a full phallic-shaped dildo, with testimony after testimony from beautiful, All-American couples praising these wonderful devices. An actual infomercial for a dildo. I thought I had seen everything, I was apparently wrong. The company, I believe, was KY.
If you haven't watched prime time recently (trust me, you're not missing much), it's a cesspool. One overt pubescent sex joke after another. Not from kids but from successful, middle-aged adults.
Gone are the days of adult actors acting as adults in adult story lines. What we mostly see are adults desperately trying to capture their youth by denigrating themselves as "cougars", "milfs", "old pervs", yada yada yada.
There's a time and place for everything. Back in the day, if you wanted to get your sex fix everyone knew where to go but it certainly wasn't on prime time network programming. What used to be called family time.
I believe the author is correct when she says there's disorder in our society and we will all pay a price in the not-too-distant future.
Teaghan| 2.15.12 @ 1:59PM
Bob, the icing on the cake will be when the people in the commercial for the vibrator give a live demonstration on how to use it.
Give it time.
Holy s#i*
Bob Grant| 2.15.12 @ 3:53PM
Well, if we're to make light of it, I know the perfect pitch guy:
Headset Vince, a.k.a the ShamWow Guy.
rnd| 2.16.12 @ 12:33AM
And then how long before he does a cocaine OD like whatshisname, bearded Billy, right?
C'mon.
You both are making light (along with many others) of an ongoing daily travesty.
One of the reason we have to illegally import illegals into this country is that we are not producing children -- because we do not have healthy homes with Moms and Dads excited about one day celebrating 35 and 55 year wedding anniversaries.
The daily DECLINE of the world's once best nation goes on in overdrive because it is now easier to find a strip club in a distant city than it is to find an honest automotive mechanic.
Read the post well below that talks about the dead college coed at the University of Virginia. She's dead for a lot of reasons. But one of them is her father. Another is her mother.
And that is just one tiny piece of everyday fallout of a people fixated on its "fixes."
Bob Grant| 2.16.12 @ 9:46AM
I'm side-by-side with you on the seriousness of the issue.
I'm also guilty as charged for making light of a serious issue. No harm intended, however, as I feel a little humor is good for the soul and helps with creativity as long as it doesn't distract.
I apologize if it did.
D. Singh| 2.15.12 @ 10:15AM
Sir
Studying the excellent posts written here today it is clear that Fabrizio’s article really has touched the hearts of writers – it’s as if nearly all of us yearn, have a deep longing, for that world of innocence, beauty, dignity, modesty, respect – which we want to pass onto our children – and which is missing from this sordid society socially engineered by the liberals.
It reminds me of something an old American friend of mine once whispered:
‘The more vice, the less self-restraint, the more the State will descend into authoritarianism.’
As I contemplate the future on my side of the Atlantic – I feel despair.
Petronius| 2.15.12 @ 10:36AM
Where's Oliver Cromwell when we need him?
D. Singh| 2.15.12 @ 10:39AM
Petronius| 2.15.12 @ 10:36AM
Where's Oliver Cromwell when we need him?
Och Petronius!
If only such a man of stature would appear in England once more - for many men would follow him.
Petronius| 2.15.12 @ 4:49PM
Tis strange in very truth. I am a veteran of the the King's Army of The English Civil Warre Society.
Rocker| 2.16.12 @ 11:01PM
I doubt the Irish would be among them.
Anne | 2.15.12 @ 10:58AM
And here's more information about Planned Parenthood.
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Steve K | 2.15.12 @ 11:18AM
Calling a more open approach to sexuality a 'descent into the gutter' is pretty standard fare for moralists. By doing so, however, you completely miss the point--sex isn't wrong. Sexuality isn't wrong. It's focusing on other people's sexuality as a commodity which is wrong.
A true egalitarian will abstain from objectifying people for their sexuality--what this 'licentiousness' trend speaks to is a lack of respect for other people. But castigating people for the base side of things displays a similar lack of respect for the much-vaunted free will that we all possess.
Bob Grant| 2.15.12 @ 12:01PM
"Calling a more open approach to sexuality .."
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That sounds so benign. I'm not sure what you mean. Can you expand on what constitutes 'a more open approach to sexuality'?
Drunken Sailor| 2.15.12 @ 2:08PM
Ah yes, but do you control your sexual desires or do you allow them to control you? Many of today's youth are taught the later while the former thought is ridiculed. Sex is natural, but so is love, breathing, the instinct for survival, yet none of them are a sensationalized as sex.
Bezalel| 2.15.12 @ 11:20AM
People are slaves to their addictions. And when the government controls the addiction, the citizens become its slaves.
Stormzeye| 2.15.12 @ 11:49AM
Well said, Bezalel. The government is also succeeding in making pregnancy a "women's health" issue. How twisted does one have to be to regard pregnancy as a disease?
9thID| 2.15.12 @ 11:35AM
The curse of libertinism is rampant in both the Liber-al and Liber-tarian parties. We are watching Romans 1 unfold in HighDef...
CHummel| 2.15.12 @ 11:46AM
There was a joke that ended 'where men were men and sheep were dumb'. Western women now pay to join a brothel created by perverts in government and the entertainment industry. I encourage women to censor all entertainment that sexualizes or victimizes females, or implies men and womens' sexual desires are equivalent, or implies drugs and alcohol enhance reproduction.
C. S. P. Schofield| 2.15.12 @ 12:21PM
I have three thoughts I would like to add to the conversation;
1) Sex is a signal that the human brain finds hard to ignore. Even if you are not particularly interested in the participants, a 'sexy' image is hard to ignore. This may or may not justify restrictions on what can be displayed in public, but perhaps it should be considered.
2) I believe that unless you are hormonally attracted to one or more participants, images of sex are more than a little creepy. I think that this, combined with point one above, is why straight men are irritated by erotic images of Gay men, and straight women are irritated by erotic images of Lesbians.
3) How much violence to First Amendment principals would be done by laws restricting what could be publicly displayed, if those laws had an exception for a statement with a representative of that statement present at all times? Not what could be printed, or sold. Just what could be could be exhibited without somebody standing nest to it saying "This is my opinion/message".
JimBeam| 2.16.12 @ 9:30AM
Actually, straight women are not irritated by erotic images of lesbians. Their reaction runs from neutral to mild interest.
Both straight men and straight women were irritated by erotic images of gay men.
Yes, they have done studies.
Liberalism| 2.16.12 @ 7:41PM
Non-liberals who are appalled by sexual perversion are just latent homos - you loser homos - we know what you want - we did studies - fail-Os.
Petronius| 2.15.12 @ 12:38PM
The worst aspect of deviant sexual behavior is that the total cost for the results of it all are paid by those who are mature and continent in traditional relationships. These libertine SOB's get in my face all the time about it. So I tell them they can sin all they want until I have to pay for the fallout from it, be it illegitimacy, STD's, domestic violence, or anything else. I have yet to hear any candidate for any office speak of this atrocious situation.
Seek| 2.15.12 @ 1:13PM
And how has the "deviant" behavior actually caused you or anyone else harm? This subjective definition of harm, I aver, is the plaything of tyrants everywhere.
CHummel| 2.15.12 @ 2:19PM
Well, courts consume half their budget on custody and paternity suits, child abuse by step parents and welfare investigations. Public health costs are escalating due to an epidemic in teenage STD's and reproductive organ damage; an increase in birth defects from drug and alcohol use during gestation (FAS, FAD, ADD, autism, addiction, AIDs, premies), and schools filled with hoards of impoverished children from single parent homes.
Bob Grant| 2.15.12 @ 2:52PM
How about the latest problem: incurable gonorrhea? A superbug that spreads easily.
C. S. P. Schofield| 2.15.12 @ 2:57PM
The prevalence of STD's among Gay men is seven times that of the general population. Now, I'm not saying that this is a justification for making homosexuality illegal again, but it is a harm, especially in that several types of STDs make people who have them prone to also he carriers of Hepatitis.
What I DO say is that any sexually active Gay male who doesn't view the "Smokers cost us healthcare money and may make those around them ill" argument with grave alarm, hasn't thought about it nearly enough.
Purple Lips| 2.15.12 @ 3:38PM
But, our Nanny State and its allies demand that "we do something about fat-a$$es!". Make no mistake, within a decade everyone will be required by the state to get an annual mandatory check-up in order assist HHS in bending the cost curve. Once one is marked as "obsese", HHS agents will put the perp on a state approved diet and excercise program. Failure to comply will result in jail time and fines.
But, the cost of sexually transmitted diseases cost our society tens of billions every year. There is so much junk out there that the CDC just recently reported that many viral strains are incurable. But, to each his own sins. Some will consume large portions of chow, while others will indulge thier tastes for the perverse. Homosexuals lead the way. In the end, fatties, libertines and swingers will be put into HHS camps.
Bob Grant| 2.15.12 @ 3:49PM
"In the end, fatties, libertines and swingers will be put into HHS camps."
....which might make a good porn script for some perv director.
Petronius| 2.15.12 @ 3:27PM
I get taxed to support Bastards! I get taxed for fudge packers who spread HIV! Deviant sexual behavior is therefor detrimental to the quality of MY Life. And I shouldn't be forced to subsidize it.
cicero| 2.15.12 @ 1:08PM
As I have said before, our court system, with its rulings, has done more harm to this culture and society than any other single person or institution. They have legislated away all sense of morality and restraint out of this country. They have invented rights and abolished responsibility. The portal of the Supreme Court should read "Remove all hope whoever enters here.", rather than "Equal justice under the law.".
Our women have traded dignity for "supposed" equality, and our men have relinquished the satisfaction of responsible adulthood in return for the promise of the joys of continuing adolescence. How is this society to defend itself?
Con Chef (NB) | 2.15.12 @ 1:36PM
"Destroy the family, you destroy the country."...Lenin
It doesn't get anymore clear cut than this, folks. In the end, this is what it all stems from.
THKrupp| 2.15.12 @ 2:02PM
Ironically the Russian family is probably the strongest thing about Russians and what has allowed them to survive.
obadiah| 2.15.12 @ 2:01PM
Clockwork Orange tells us how to deal with it. Do people think that sex criminals should go to prison with violent criminals? Or should they have separate prisons? Will viewing porn online constitute a sex crime? Viewing Internet porn is sort of like "copyright piracy" that plutocrats use to ruin the lives of teen-agers.
THKrupp| 2.15.12 @ 2:25PM
I would like to know by whose standard of morality will everyone be judged by? Who is going to decide what is moral or not? How is this not just a Christian version of Shaira law?
C. S. P. Schofield| 2.15.12 @ 3:00PM
So long as this society is debating whether to recognise Gay Marriage, and Sharia dominated societies are debating whether homosexuals should be burned alive or thrown from great heights, your equating Christian values with Islamic values does not materially further the debate.
BTW; I favour Gay marriage.
THKrupp| 2.15.12 @ 3:37PM
Sorry that was not the point I was trying to get across. I posted that after reading so many people seemingly wanting some sort of moral code that everyone would have follow. Personally it really doesnt matter to me who anyone gets married to. I would like to know if we have some sort of moral police for lack of a better term who's moral standard are we going to use? People in comments have been advocating some sort of moral law be implimented in so many words. At some point in time you just have to trust people to do what they think is best for themselves regardless of how you view it. How is it any different if the moral law is made by a christian or a moslem? I was not very clean in my post for that I apologise.
C. S. P. Schofield| 2.15.12 @ 6:30PM
I understand entirely. I came over to the Pro-Gay-Marriage side when I realised that the people who opposed it could not discuss it without using religiously loaded words like "sanctity".
I do, however, understand the resistance. When I see a picture of a Gay Pride event that includes some jerk parading about in black leather bondage gear and exposing his pierced nipples, I don't see a courageous Gay Rights activist, I see a tacky twit with poor impulse control. If they want me to treat what they do in the bedroom as none of my godsdamned business (which is certainly reasonable), then I wish they wouldn't make it impossible to NOT imagine it.
And I'm by no means sure how to effect that.
For me it often comes back to that sexual images are (because of hardwired mammalian programming) hard to ignore. And if they are signals that don't interest me, or which do interest me but aren't actually an invitation to mate, then they are an annoyance. Of which the modern world has a super-sufficiency.
Scott| 2.15.12 @ 3:02PM
Ah, the morality police strike again. All our problems in the world are rooted to too much talk about sex. Hadn't heard that one before.
Purple Lips| 2.15.12 @ 3:39PM
Oh pleases. That talking point is about as stale as Monica Lewinsky's blue dress. Get with the program and update your talking points.
Minnie R.| 2.15.12 @ 10:41PM
But sex is soooooo MESSY.
somnolence| 2.15.12 @ 3:49PM
Hmm. Does anyone ever stop to wonder why Viagra/Cialis are included in all these big governmental blanket health care plans, but Lasik surgery, which could vastly improve eyesight in untold numbers isn't? Because of the joint pharmaceutical/media/politics connection and the resulting monetary "flow". It really does help to understand "cycles".
Slacker| 2.15.12 @ 4:24PM
Sex maniac nation my ass. Sex is less important than ever.
If anything we are bored with sex and it takes a lot to get our attention. It is only sexual if someone takes notice. Playboy is obsolete.
Sexuality is pervasive in media. Then there is real life. By demographic we are mostly old geezers, and lard asses. Fat slobs waddling around in dirty sweat pants are not trying to get sex.
If you want conjugal love you had better marry early. Very early.
T @ B| 2.15.12 @ 10:44PM
Marry early, and your conjugal sex life will end rather swiftly. My wife and I are bored to death with each others bodies.
But we will not cheat on each other. That's out of the question. Yes, there are more important things than sex.
da monk| 2.15.12 @ 4:51PM
You anti-sex people are depraved. Sex is natural Even Adam and Eve did it. If we are God's children made in HIS IMAGE. He does/did it. How else Jesus? Seriously, including you Ms Fabrizio, sex is not dirty it's only dirty if you think it's dirty. Hey, even your mom and dad did it.
Garfield| 2.15.12 @ 5:08PM
What adults choose to do is one thing...
Pushing it on children whom are not emotionally mature enough to deal with the implications of it is entirely different.
Women can be just as perverted as men (they just aren't reported as often).
Another point:
People need to understand that sexual activity has consequences. If you choose to have sex and you get pregnent or you get someone else pregnent, you are responsible for the life in the womb.
C. S. P. Schofield| 2.15.12 @ 10:24PM
Saying "A" is natural fails to convince me. Sitting on tree branches, picking parasites off your close relatives and crushing them between your teeth is natural. Arsenic is perfectly natural. Dying of old age in you mid-thirties is natural.
Screw natural. We can do better.
J Robert Giles | 2.15.12 @ 5:34PM
Strip away the power of their arguments by making them unpopular. The left can't help themselves when it comes to chasing that which is popular or trending. Let's watch them short circuit as they realize they're chasing morality. Please read and share!
http://jrobertgiles.blogspot.c.....untry.html
Jim Hlavac | 2.15.12 @ 7:31PM
While a nice article about one man's view of sex and the reason for it and the why's, when's and therefore's of it, and the whom shall be involved in in, it's quite a romp through the comments, which show the same astounding libertine views, and conservative views, and liberal views, even, and even some views which I never encountered before in my life. And well, what it shows is that there is no one view on the matter, and that the American system is well suited to accommodate all the views, but that the theocratic view is not, and that each view-pusher might push their views and encourage others to follow suit, much as Shakers asked all to Shake, yet refrain from copulation at all, lest a child be born, and lust fulfilled.
And so, while the Constitution, and the founders, might well be aghast at this or that point of our modern culture, well they were aghast at this or that point of their own modern culture, which oddly, and not so oddly, included every single modern foible that everyone here laments or celebrates, allows or condemns, as we are today, but in a different media. Indeed, Mr. Masochist was from the mid-1800s if memory serves, and Mr. Sade of Sadist fame was from the mid-1700s, and well, of all the so-called modern problems of youthful sexuality, I refer all to Jacob Riis's books on the licentiousness and violence of the late 1800s New York City School System. Then, when done with the modern stuff, oh, go back to when King John of England divorced his first Isabella, a babe some 20 years his junior, for a second wife, an even younger Isabella, some 30 or more years younger, who was so young as to said to have lied about her 12 years of age, to pretend to be 15 or 16, and Europe was scandalized about his divorce, and her abrogation of her marriage vows to some other prince, and then a baby when she was barely pubescent.
Oh, this is not new, this discussion. Jerry E. Lewis after all, married his 13 year old cousin in Mississippi, in the 1950s, where it was perfectly legal, and only the rest of the world, like these pages might, had a heart attack about it. Mississippi was, "so what's the problem?"
That is, relax folks, this is nothing new -- neither the licentiousness nor the societal acceptance of it, and of course, the fulminating against it. The only difference, of late, is that gay folks have been thrown in the mix of it all, and well, at least you all didn't blame the gay guys for this situation you bewail or celebrate, and that's a plus.
THKrupp| 2.16.12 @ 8:43AM
well done, this is a well thought out comment.
Truth and Reality| 2.16.12 @ 2:20PM
. . . comments from a sexually deviant perverted degenerate repeatedly attempting to validate this behavior his Creator has made clear is as abominably detestable as it is detestably abominable . . .
Tina B| 2.15.12 @ 7:44PM
I wonder. When it ceases to be titilating to observe homosexuals kissing, as is the latest trend on tv, will the next big thing be group sex, and then sex with children, with or without adult(s)? That seems to be just down the slippery slope a teeny bit, doesn't it? Not nearly far enough, though.
Popular and trending, right before our very eyes. Maranatha Lord!
Minnie R.| 2.15.12 @ 10:47PM
The messiness of sex is just not worth it--and the risks! Horrors! You can get all kinds of cancers from practicing oral sex.
What it will take| 2.15.12 @ 7:48PM
It is always best to talk real life examples. The theme of this article right off the bat is that all is oversexed in our modern world, modern America.
No kidding.
Just look at billboards. Just look at ads in any magazine. Even demure magazines now sex it up to try to win people who are to dumb to read. Yes, let's just say it like it is: The oversexed all-the-time emphasis is directly proportional to how stupid we have become.
This is a timely article as yesterday was Valentines Day, a day that Philos love should be celebrated. Instead what do we have in America today? Sports Illustrated and Victoria's Secret as the lust objects of choice.
Women -- I've got a message for you: "If you want this changed, you've got to change. If you are tired of men behaving in this sickeningly immature, knuckle-dragging degraded fashion, you've got to lay down the law. Redefine (correctly define) what it is to be a woman of character."
If I say Proverbs 31. How many of you howl and chortle with derision?
Until you do move to that as the way a young woman is raised and the way a woman comports herself in this life, well, this onward rapid march toward Gomorrah will continue.
You use the Playboy Bunny symbol to
"highlight" this article. Yet it is WOMEN who are purchasing these Playboy brand products like lotions, potions, shampoos, clothing, handbags, etc.
Odd this, no?
(See: Men tried things like "Promise Keepers" and even you women howled in your lampooning of it)
There's a lot of blame to go around. A lot of frankly wanton selfish sinfulness. Everywhere.
What would be the impetus of an incredible turnaround? Women who tell the Annistons and Sex in the City/Desperate Housewives and Victoria's Secret Women to jump off the deep end -- forever. You'd boycott a NFL that has Madonna as the halftime. Just as you should have for Fergie last year. You'll also tell men that they'll boycott them if ever again seen reading or holding ANY issue of Sports Illustrated (Don't you think the publishers of SI would get the message loud and clear?) Tell those who wishfully and blindly say that Whitney Houston is now in Heaven with God to put a sock in it. You'd loudly ask "How does a woman of alleged godly character go down red carpets ad nauseum in Hollywood and countless other photo-shooting places dressed like a vamp seductress at ages 33, 36, 40, 44, 47?"
The list is long. It's a true target-rich environment. You could include open vitriol for the Kardashians, Paris Hiltons, Gwen Stefanis, and all the women who go half naked on stages everywhere. Simultaneously showing us now how fat and obsene ugly Salt 'n Pepper has become. Something about foolish vanities?
The ball is in your court, women.
Yet -- Why do I have this nagging belief that women will never raise up to beat down (as they surely could) this tsunami of over-sexualization of everything?
Chuck| 2.15.12 @ 10:49PM
The "wimmen" need to service their men. That's what married women should do. Know what I mean?
Tina B| 2.15.12 @ 8:30PM
Guilty as charged, What it will take.
I did not raise my daughter on the Prov. 31 woman, and I know I should have. I do, however, have a 14 yr old granddaughter living in my home, and with her daddy we are going to begin delving into Proverbs and especially Prov. 31, ASAP.
I am, however, a vocal supporter of female modesty, and in my last decades of teaching 8th graders, I emphasized modesty for my girls on a daily basis. I never minced words either. They all knew exactly what I was talking about, and most all the girls' parents supported me, as did my admin. and colleagues less comfortable with the subject.
ella8| 2.15.12 @ 8:52PM
You can just turn the TV off if you don't like what is on it. I think we should be more concerned about what children are intentionally exposed to in school.
POST American| 2.15.12 @ 10:36PM
--"SO when did licentiousness
become an inalienable right?"
-LAME set up at the service
of the 'age-enda'.
The question SHOULD be phrased:
--"WHY are WE tolerating the
EUGENICS MONSTERS of the
TAX FREE 'benny violent' foundations
diddling with our cultures, governments,
economies, religions and families?"
------------------------WHY?---------------------------
Time for one and all to shed
their rectum 'bennies' and lay
hold of the source of the poison
---NO matter the cost.
DAN G | 2.15.12 @ 11:33PM
and while all this occurred our churches, ministers, and schools stood by with their fingers in their ears doing and saying nothing. read neil postmans book, amusing ourselves to death. read em and weep.
What will it take?| 2.16.12 @ 12:08AM
Once more, folks it is useless to talk in the abstract. Talk in the real world. What is occurring right now, for example on most all college campuses in the nation?
As we near spring break (oh, what it has already started on the Florida coastlines?) and colleges fight hard for the title "Best Partying University in the Nation," reflect on:
Parents who don't lock their children at home during spring break although everyone knows what is in the "Girls Gone Wild Volumes I - XVIII" best-selling? videos.
While we have a dumbing down of all things academic we have skyrocketing STD health cases at the student health centers and neighboring hospitals that serve the "university community."
One could just look at cold, hard facts: STD cases in year 2011 vs. 10 years and 20 years prior. What do you think the numbers would tell you?
If you want to see what a life if licentiousness offers you look at the (much of it, truly, self induced) fate of Univ. of Virginia senior Yardley Love dead at 22, 4 weeks prior to what would have been her graduation.
As the facts unravel in this case (still only the "suitable" facts that don't detract too much from a co-ed done in), ask yourself:
When was there time for any studying?
How does one study when out for beers three or possibly four nights per week?
Can it be healthy to be active with 5, 6, 7, 8? sexual partners before the age of 22, several of them simultaneously?
Should there be a campus "cap" on condoms freely dispensed per week? Per month?
How does one drink so much (like a fish?) and still be eligible to participate in a NCAA Div. I program that will vie for a national championship?
Coaches? (Every coach who is a real coach knows which players are drinking)
Now, let's not be too hard on the young woman, now deceased. After all, she is/was just giving us a real-world example of the life that Jane Fonda, Mae West, Bo Derek, legions of Hollywood starlets, legions of Sony Music Industries drones, Barbara Boxer Heffner's daughter, and Madonna all anoint and sanctify as the life worth living.
And it seems like Yardely Love's own mother looked on very closely with approval at her daughter's semesterly behaviors. (According to Mother Love, they phoned "every day of Yardley's life.")
*Did she 'deserve to be murdered? OF COURSE NOT. But if you are doing A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I, and J very, very wrong in your life and "K" follows suit, well, one reaps what one sows.
Senior Yardley Love dead in April 2010 at the age of 22. A college alcoholic, whore. I would vigorously assert: An entire national culture (someone please say "national university campus life culture") could also be held very, very liable here.
*To the Dads: When Girls and young women behave promiscuously -- THIS IS YOUR FAULT, Dads. Your goddamned fault.
Russell | 2.16.12 @ 1:22AM
Gods teeth what a harridan- where is Nell Gwynn now that we need her?
Dmitry Aleksandrovich| 2.16.12 @ 2:05AM
A few weeks ago I was at the park with my daughter and son and overheard a lady talking about her 10 year old daughter and saying, "I just know she's going to have a thousand boyfriends. I'm going to put her on birth control as soon as she hits puberty".
That's when I came to the conclusion that our society is crumbling because we no longer care about the honor of our young women and a young woman being virtuous nowadays will mean that she will face ridicule. That's when I started to say to myself that maybe the Muslims are right...not about faith (because I am and always will be an Orthodox Christian), but they are right for being so vigilant about raising their children in the faith and adamently seeking to preserve the honor of their women. Not long ago Christian society was the same.
PolishKnight| 2.16.12 @ 10:07AM
The reason why it's difficult for this woman to control her daughters' virtue is that modern dating is pseudo prostitution. Few decent looking, successful young men are going to take out a young woman more than 3 times without getting sex and most women wouldn't respect him if he did. This paradigm has been around longer than the 1960's but goes back to around Victorian times and hyper chivalry after a bunch of jerks followed orders (like so many "great" soldiers before them) and went down with their ship while giving women all the lifeboat seats. We've had a madonna/whore paradigm ever since!
Bradley Cornilles | 2.16.12 @ 2:05AM
NICE JOB! Way to tell how it REALLY is. Run for office, please!
Chef Schnauzer| 2.16.12 @ 5:53AM
Time for AmSpec to disable the comments section.
Rocker| 2.16.12 @ 11:08PM
Amen. I cannot recall a time in this webzine's history when so many posters were at once threatening, sadistic, witless, illogical and incapable of constructing an argument worth reading. As an avowed right-wing elitist, perhaps it is time to tighten our standards.
We conservatives -- truly we are our own worst enemy.
David| 2.16.12 @ 8:21AM
This was a thoughtful article, with many good points. While I'm not sure I agree with every single one of them, I'm very sure that the tone of the comments here has been puerile and nasty beyond description. Were I the editor of the Spectator, I'd delete this thread out of sheer embarassment for my readers and my publication.
trundle| 2.17.12 @ 1:23AM
Be specific in your comment, David. Your comment is too vague. Which reader comments do you find inappropriate. State the "reader name" used and what overall topics are puerile.
I am not disagreeing with you. However, some people find it "nasty" when a person commenting from a faith-based, Biblical perspective 1. agrees with the author, but is 2. responding to someone like 'Fuewe.' Some people think that the "prudes" (those who are for values and lives of character) as the ones who are vile commenters worthy of removal.
Trying to read your comment (above), David, and it is unclear. Where do you stand on the "anything goes sexuality" of the nation, our media, our pop culture, our daily street language?
Be specific on what you think Spectator staff should find embarrassing.
cowgirl| 2.16.12 @ 9:22AM
Satan has a hold of a lot of people.
PolishKnight| 2.16.12 @ 10:04AM
FYI, fact check: Hugh Hefner claims the bunny symbol came about at the last minute because he originally wanted to use a stag but since it was copyrighted, he used a bunny. It turns out to have been a great decision since the bunny was "cuter" and less threatening and this has helped him to be successful in an industry with literally dozens of competitors on city newstands.
Regarding objectification of women. Really? Our society glorifies women and regards men as disposable while simultaneously lamenting the proliferation of deadbeat dads. The VAWA act is going to be renewed where beating up men is shown as "funny" in the media while women can act brutishly against men and still claim to be victims. And using sex as a lure to get men to pay for dates is approved even by many conservatives but it's pseudo prostitution and not truly traditional since it came about due to poor families in Victorian times unable to host suitors at their homes.
In addition, nobody called Lisa on the presumption of her whole article that the media is full of sex. What nonsense. Watch TV again but keep your eyes open. The Swedish Bikini team style beer commercials are off. Most commercials are now geared towards women and feature consumption lifestyles. Expensive clothes and shoes and diets (to fit into their expensive clothes, not to attract men silly).
MGJ| 2.16.12 @ 1:18PM
Sadly, this article is right on target and lines up with the a number of the goals of the Communist Party that were established in the 1960s to destroy our country from within through moral decay. Every nation in history that has embraced hedonistic, humanistic behavior and moral relativism has fallen and either disappeared or become insignificant. Our nation will not be an exception. Many of the responses to this article only prove the points made in the article. The disgusting language and hateful tone are disgraceful, and only show the vast number of moral degenerates that the perverse liberal educational system of this country have produced. We are ALL suffering the consequences of it. The Communist-in-Chief who currently occupies the Whitehouse is the poster boy of corruption and moral relativism, and he occupies the Whitehouse primarily because of the moral decay of this once great country. Liberal media fawns over him, and liberals continue to be entertained, and even delighted to watch him fiddle while Rome burns. If we don't learn from history, we will repeat it, and our educational system in this country is creating a vast supply of liberal, entitelment fools who are slow to learn. To them, unrestrained moral boundries are yet another entitlement and the destructive results can just be passed down to the next generation.....if we survive to see it.
Rocker| 2.16.12 @ 11:09PM
A "hateful tone" -- speak for yourself, mate.
trundle| 2.18.12 @ 3:55AM
MGJ, modern Greece fits exactly what you write of. Its decay is a foregone conclusion. Having been there, I can affirm its obcessons with being obcessed by hedonism.
I don't know why this is so hard to see. Action(s) and reaction(s).
You wrote, "Every nation in history that has embraced hedonistic, humanistic behavior and moral relativism has fallen and either disappeared or become insignificant. "
True. This is why further aid to Greece is pointless.
Rocker wants to call this a "hateful tone?" No, not all. It is an objective truth tone.
MGJ| 2.18.12 @ 7:43PM
Thank you Trundle. My wife and I work jobs and share homeschooling of our son, so we don't always have time to play tennis matches with liberals on these posts. I appreciate the support of other concerned Americans. It's time for conservatives to make our voices heard through speaking the plain truth with resolve. It's too bad Rocker and far too many other liberals don't understand the difference between hate and truthful reality check concerning the disgraceful and lewd posts for this article and the destructive direction our country has taken. The minority of liberals in this country have strategic holds on our MSM and educational system and have plunged our country into an economic, social and moral abyss with their liberal progressive agendas and self-absorbed, hedonistic entitlement attitudes. Our only hope is that our country will awaken and return to the roots of our Constitutional Republic and the moral compass of our Judeo-Christian heritage. It is what has sustained us well for 230 years.
Philip Cohen| 2.16.12 @ 2:30PM
"This has resulted in the loss of the idea that humanity was blessed with a divine gift which, in our manner of reproduction, differentiates man from beast. "
Do please explain the difference, again.
Zero Establishment| 2.16.12 @ 6:05PM
Good article Lisa.
Jon from Atlanta| 2.16.12 @ 7:05PM
Outstanding article. Words to live by. Believe me that you'll be happier if you follow these truths.
POST American| 2.16.12 @ 9:55PM
-----'CALM---YOU---nism'
----------'MARKS--ism'
---------------'SO--SHELL---ism'
were one and all creations of the
deadly sinister London banking cabals.
Karl Marks was a second rate, expelled
German hournalist who was 'brought in'
and set up.
Capstone Prince Engels was his side man.
Lenin himself was instructed and led by
them.
Trotsky we already know about.
Lord Bertrand Russell himself introduced
'MARKS---ist' thought into China in the
1920s ---at a time when even revolutionary
Chinses had no NO interest in it.
Unaccountable, inter-generational,
PSYCHOPATHIC, fractional reserve,
debt serf generating USURY
---------------remains-----------------
------------------the--------------------
---------------ISSUE-------------------
ALL else is DIS---traction.
As TOTAL EUGENICS breahtlessly
unfold worldwide ----again-----
this is NO time for squeamishness
about laying out 'WHAT IS'. . .
It ain't gonna' get any better
---in FACT it won't even STOP getting
worse until one and all GUT UP to this.
-------IN FACT, it's scheduled to get
MUCH WORSE.
---------------------------MUCH ---MUCH WORSE
pete | 2.17.12 @ 3:15AM
No doubt and no criticism of your opinions herewith told. We keep telling ourselves how smart we are. We shall see! When we actually make icons of and hero worship members of the human species as we do without giving any thought to their true quality we are not really so smart.
ron | 2.17.12 @ 1:05PM
Well said Lisa! Since the libido has been unleashed on our society (officially proclaimed in the 1960s), our culture has been transformed dramatically. This transformation to secularism has been welcomed by many of those in power. Therein is their power! The unthinking have no idea (perhaps many don't even care) what control of their lives they have relinquished to the manipulator. And so the transformation continues.... A "loving God"? To quote an age old truism: "Wisdom begins with the fear of God". I would add a special insight of perhaps the greatest theologian of the 19th century: "Wisdom is perfected through obedience."