In fact, during the So We Might See episode, as was noted
here, a shot was fired at the home of Lou Dobbs while this
“Drop Dobbs” business was going on. I raised the question then as
to whether the UCC had now made itself subject to its own hate
speech standards. If they were opposing Lou Dobbs, and a shot was
fired — were they not responsible? It was, in its own fashion, a
stark example of just the kind of dangerous game is being played
when one signs a church on not to the word of God but the
principles of Saul Alinsky. The UCC then, like the Catholic bishops
now, was perilously close to being hoist on its own
petard.
What we appear to have here is this:
When the idea was to use the government to intimidate Rush
Limbaugh and Lou Dobbs and others, the Catholic Church didn’t quite
get the game. And hence refused a stalwart, take no prisoners
defense of either and the principle of free speech and free press
these attacks by So We Might See represented.
Now, the target is the Catholic Church itself, and
suddenly, the bishops get the game. They may be beginning to
understand what happens when a church dallies to intimately in the
corridors of government power. If it finds itself
drawn into the Media Matters end of this scandal, there will be a
big problem for the bishops as well as the UCC.
Perhaps the best wisdom on this subject comes from
America’s first Catholic president, John F. Kennedy. It was JFK
who, in his inaugural address, wisely observed of developing
nations who cozied up to the Soviet Union and Communism:
We shall not always expect to find them supporting our view. But
we shall always hope to find them strongly supporting their own
freedom — and to remember that, in the past, those who foolishly
sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside.
The Catholic bishops, good souls that they are, foolishly
sought to ride the back of the tiger.
Now, they are perilously close to ending up
inside.
Publius| 2.14.12 @ 6:17AM
Obama vs. the Catholic Church...
Who is going to win this battle ?
Jack in Wi.| 2.14.12 @ 7:14AM
Lord is nuttier then a fruitcake. Limbaugh has been getting 50 million a year to spout his nonsense for a quarter century. He has never been brave about much since the gay lobby cut off his manhood 2o years ago. He even gave Elton John a huge pile of mony to play his 4th wedding. If Rush came out against the wars he would be gone from talk radio. Lew Dobbs is still making a lot of money as well. What the hell do they have to do with what Obama is doing to the Catholics?
The Catholic church stood almost alone against the abortionists and Planned Paenthood as most Protestant churches caved. It is true that the evangelicals came on board, but the Church was the only one who has been consistant. Even as we lost millions of members we didn't cave. We won't cave now either. The Church has survived thousands of civil governments and hundreds of persecutions. It will out live this one as well.
Ryan| 2.14.12 @ 8:48AM
"Most Protestant Churches" may be a bit of an exaggeration. Southern Baptists and Pentecostals, as well as the smaller, more conservative cousins of the "mainstream" churches hold the line here as well.
Bob K.| 2.14.12 @ 9:18AM
Mr. Lord's article is not about Rush Limbaugh or Lou Dobbs. It is about continuing attacks by the Liberals and their cohorts in the Democrat party on the 1st Amendment.
So, specifically, what part of the 1st Amendment do you disagree with? What part does Ron Paul disagree with?
Or are you not a supporter of Ron Paul? Are you a liberal, progressive troll?
Bob K.| 2.14.12 @ 9:19AM
The above questions were directed specifically to Jack in Wi.
Lyneuss Fields | 2.14.12 @ 10:02PM
Many on this blog thread have spoken about this Catholic issue in a previous blog. But, I'll repeat my argument again for all you boneheads who continue to argue to a dead end audience. If the Catholic Church wants to provide health care and play by their own rules, then don't accept government money. If they do, they will follow government regulations like every other institution that provides health care to the American people.
tonypal| 2.14.12 @ 10:24PM
I'm a bit confused, but I'm sure you'll straighten me out. Exactly where does it state in the 1st amendment that the moment you accept federal funds, your fundamental right to the free exercise of your religious beliefs is forfeited?
tonypal| 2.14.12 @ 10:25PM
My comment is directed at Lyneuss Fields
Lyneuss Fields | 2.14.12 @ 11:13PM
The 1st amendment's establishment clause states, Congress shall pass no laws respecting religion. It also gives Americans the freedom to practice the religion of their choice. The United States Congress has passed laws with respect to the delivery of health care services, and there is the rub! If any religion (including the Catholic Church) wants to deliver health care services, they must follow regulations like any other entity as provided by "federal law".
http://lyneussfields.blogspot......their.html
Nick| 2.15.12 @ 12:00AM
Lyneuss Fields,
You're ignorant of basic Con Law.
The First Article of Amendment to the U.S. Constitution does not state that the "Congress shall pass no laws respecting religion."
In the Internet age, it is very simple to look these things up:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
O'BamaCare prohibits the free exercise of my religion by forcing me to pay for other people's sinful acts.
It is also against the principles of liberty and Natural Law for any government to force me to buy anything.
Lyneuss Fields | 2.15.12 @ 12:17AM
The main body of The Constitution is made up of Articles. It passed during the 1787 Convention without a bill of rights. The 1st through 10th amendments (Bill of Rights) were added in 1791 to ratify the document. Therefore, there is no such thing as a First Article Amendment. The first clause in the 1st Amendment is referred to The Establishment Clause.
Nick| 2.15.12 @ 12:51AM
Again, you show your ignorance of the U.S. Constitution.
The style of the Bill of Rights, as written, was thus:
Article the first....
Article the second....
Etcetera, etcetera.
Also, again, this is very easily found with a simple search that my 10-year-old niece could accomplish. See for yourself:
http://image.patriotpost.us.s3.....15-bof.jpg
This style has been used on all 27 Articles of Amendment. Educate yourself next time, before you type, okay?
That way, you won't look so foolish.
Lyneuss Fields | 2.15.12 @ 8:33AM
Where did you go to school, Ozark Hillbilly College. You are a bonehead, and you don't know what you're talking about. Obviously, you have never read The Constitution.
Nick| 2.15.12 @ 11:26AM
That is not an argument, brainiac.
You, obviously, can't even 'click' on a link when it's provided to you.
You are trying to hide your complete ignorance of U.S. history and the Constitution with ad hominem attacks.
Maybe, when you get to high-school, you will be able to keep up with the adults.
Until then, stay out of the comboxes, okay?
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt ."
Lyneuss Fields | 2.15.12 @ 3:40PM
Your hyperlink is unreadable. Obviously, by your statements above, you don’t understand the difference between a Constitutional Article and The First Amendment to that documents Bill of Rights.
Nick| 2.15.12 @ 4:13PM
Can't you even do a simple search on the Internet?
Ever heard of wiki? Which is probably where you get all of your history.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi.....of1_AC.jpg
The amendments to the Constitution of the United States of America are referred to Articles. They always have been. Only the ignorant are unaware of this.
This is all tangential to your first egregious error, i.e., that the First Article of Amendment states that "Congress shall pass no laws respecting religion."
When are you going to address this falsehood?
Nick| 2.15.12 @ 4:24PM
p.s. Since you don't seem to have the intelligence to investigate things on your own, or the capacity to comprehend difficult subjects; the Bill of Rights pictured in my links lists 12 Articles of Amendment.
The reason for this is because the Congress submitted 12 Articles of Amendment to the states to be ratified. The states did not ratify the first two. Although, the second proposed Article did eventually become the 27th Article of Amendment.
So, to find what we call the First Article of Amendment, you will have to start with "Article the third....[...]."
Nick| 2.16.12 @ 12:43AM
Yoo-hoo?
Where'd you go Fields?
Shaddup| 2.14.12 @ 10:28PM
Government money is my money are s whole. If I want it to go to the church, who are u to stop me.
craig| 2.17.12 @ 12:05AM
You. Don't. Get. It. Yet. If a Catholic nonprofit (a prison ministry, for example, or a publisher) takes not one dime of government money, it is still coerced by the mandate. It is NOT contingent on accepting government money.
rdb3| 2.14.12 @ 9:47AM
You are the fruitcake.
Lyneuss Fields | 2.14.12 @ 11:15PM
Ah, another Tea Party intellectual!
Todd S| 2.14.12 @ 11:46PM
Screw off you bigoted moron with your pathetic blog
Lyneuss Fields | 2.15.12 @ 12:30AM
....................../´¯/)
....................,/¯../
.................../..../
............./´¯/'...'/´¯¯`•¸
........../'/.../..../......./¨¯\
........('(...´...´.... ¯~/'...')
.........\.................'...../
..........''...\.......... _.•´
............\..............(
..............\.............\...
Regards,
Lyneuss
fckewe| 2.15.12 @ 1:05AM
hehehehe nice art!
Really NICE, art!
Who did you steal it from without A COPYRIGHT WAIVER?
fckewe| 2.15.12 @ 1:06AM
Guess ou need another few beersto make snese
BURP!!!!!!!!!!
Von Mises Jr.| 2.15.12 @ 7:04AM
Come burp at our site. That's rude.
Lyneuss Fields | 2.15.12 @ 8:37AM
Your site! You probably don't own anything but the rags on your back, f'n jerkwad!
Todd S| 2.15.12 @ 2:18PM
Anyone make a comment on your blog yet clown?
Lyneuss Fields | 2.15.12 @ 3:41PM
You're showing your hand butt hook!
Crassus| 2.14.12 @ 10:00AM
Now hold on a minute before we go much further. Give Jack a dime so he can call his mother.
Clint| 2.14.12 @ 10:51AM
Now hold on a minute before we go much further. Give Crackass a dime so he can call his Bibi.
yippee K| 2.14.12 @ 2:11PM
Congrats on setting the bar as low as it will go, Clint.
Clint| 2.14.12 @ 6:28PM
No, You Israel Firster Smear Bund Cowards Did That, Bibi Bund Boy.
Clint| 2.14.12 @ 10:30PM
Oh look. I stepped on my Dee ick again.
William R| 2.14.12 @ 10:34AM
No one has done more harm to the cause of limited government conservatism than HillBilly Heroin Junkie Hush Bimbo. He spent 8 years defending one of the worst Presidents in history dubya bush. Never met a war he didn't like. Just gets giddy when there's talk of a new war. Iran Iran Iran. The man is a disgrace.
yippee K| 2.14.12 @ 2:42PM
Let me guess... you're a Paulbot? Yup. Figured. I could tell from the Bolshevistic tabloid style abusiveness. Only question is, are you a libertarian or a commie? My money's on commie. Libertarians logically shouldn't be so vehemently opposed to people having their own opinions. You're probably one of those McKinney or Nader people whom Paul endorsed in 2008. Either way your opinion clearly matters very little.
Mike Rogers | 2.14.12 @ 10:39AM
Wait till they come for your free speech, and guns, then you'll know.
fckewe| 2.14.12 @ 4:03PM
Who? Paul Revere? " My guns are falling, my guns are falling!!!"
I have money. LISTEN proportionally!!!! Damn you!!!
fckewe| 2.14.12 @ 4:04PM
What kind of dread dream do you have? HOW will his happen? Besides the vocalizations of your hallucinations....
fckewe| 2.14.12 @ 4:05PM
WHAT EXACTLY DO you KNOW!!!!!???????????
Only :
Red menace BS
Fred Farkel| 2.14.12 @ 10:43AM
Jack, I'd recommend you listen to Rush except that with your skull full of manure, it wouldn't make any difference. In your case ignorance is more than bliss, it is nirvana.
Jack in Wi.| 2.14.12 @ 11:53AM
I listened to Lush for 13 years. Then I grew up and moved on. The sound of his voice today, makes me want to puke. He is one big fat sell out. Money and young women are his gods. He is one guy who has a lot to answer for to the the One True God, for wasting his God given talent.
Al Adab| 2.14.12 @ 12:12PM
Hold on Jack. Don't I remember an old Country song about faster horses, younger women, older wiskey and more money? Just what is wrong with the pursuit of happiness?
Dick Nome| 2.14.12 @ 1:58PM
You are full of yourself, no room for BS. You never listened to Rush and you know it.
yippee K| 2.14.12 @ 2:13PM
Your parents must be proud.
Clint| 2.14.12 @ 6:31PM
Yours Aren't Bibi Bund Boy, Yippee.
jstwndring| 2.15.12 @ 4:24AM
"He is one guy who has a lot to answer for to the the One True God, for wasting his God given talent."
In all seriousness, correct me if I'm wrong, but, aren't you the one who wants Israel to be cut off with regard to our support? If that's you I'm thinking of, then you will have far more to answer for to the One True God, since the Jews are God's Covenant people. God still honors that Covenant. He has not forgotten His people. You may want to keep that in mind.
Oldefarte| 2.14.12 @ 3:23PM
You're full of excrement you ignorant fool. As a born, raised, educated within and congregant of the Catholic Church for most of my 65 years on this earth, what you're bullsh*tting is pure garbage and completely false. The Church was the first Christian church that was infiltrated by these liberal bastards decades ago in order to destroy from within this organization [and they have almost totally succeeded in same]. The homosexual invasion of the Church to gain access to the vernerable children within for their perverted sexual pleasures have now cost the Church $trillions from lawsuits and from lost of prestige as a religious organization. The Church allowed this to continue by moving these pervert-priests around among parishes/locations in order to protect their organization, not giving a damn about the welfare of the abused children involved. You sickos and STUPIDS within the Church congregation enabled this to occur also by your looking the other way and avoiding this scurge with the Church, so Catholics like you are equally or more guilty than the pervert-priests that committed the abuse of children. And you're a GD idiot for attacking conservatives like Limbaugh and Dobbs as they bravely represent the last wall of defense against these liberal scumbags that are attacking your supposed Catholic Church. How dare you, you piece of filth! And ya boy Ronnie is nothing but a homosexual facilitator through his liberatarism BS besides. The Catholic Church 'stood alone'.....BS! What they did was turn a blind eye to the well known perversion with the ranks of the priesthood and did absolutely nothing to stop it. Stood alone my ars! You're completely full of lying excrement and are the reason why the Church is faltering today. As stated, they deserve what they're now faced with from Obama/Democrats over this religious freedom issue regarding contraception. As Jeffrey rightly insinuates, the liberal assault upon the Catholic church has now emulated into an attack upon all churches, which now have been invaded by these liberal bastards in order to brainwash, propagandize and destroy from within by indoctrinating their liberalism of Alinskyism and Wrightism. Not only churches but every normal, moderate, average tax-paying American had better wise up fast because the point of no return is about to be reached with this liberal demonism. WAKE UP AMERICA. Oh and if anyone is interested in Rush's accurate description of what these radicals are currently doing to the Social Security System by subverting the so termned PAYROLL TAX decrease from 6% to 4% then read [and learn] that it is the SOCIAL SECURITY TAX instead and which funds the SS system from payroll deductions:
'....Rush:IgnoranceSurroundsPayrollTaxCut...Extension ...Tuesday, February 14, 2012 12:53 PM...By: Amy Woods...The ignorance surrounding the payroll tax cut extension President Barack Obama is pushing is “appalling,” and the measure will gut Social Security, Rush Limbaugh said today on his radio show.“I do not understand why somebody doesn’t characterize this payroll tax cut for what it is — gutting Social Security because it is not being, quote / unquote, paid for,” Limbaugh said. “The Republicans, for as long as I’ve been alive, have been accused of gutting Social Security. Here’s Obama doing it. Obama and the Democrats are actually doing it.”He shamed the GOP for reaching across the aisle and trying to compromise with the Democrats rather than using the payroll tax cut extension against the opposition party.“From a political standpoint, it’s a gold mine here, and they’re not using it,” he said.On the issue of the newly released budget, Limbaugh called the document “outrageous” and “simple irresponsibility.”“If everything happened that Obama wants in this budget, folks, it’s over,” he said. “It may be over anyway, if Obamacare is fully implemented.”....'
fckewe| 2.14.12 @ 4:07PM
WOuld CHRIST want you to DIE, this unfulfillled?
Quartermaster| 2.14.12 @ 6:19PM
The USCCB made a pact with the devil many years ago, and now it's catching up with them. They supported Obamacare, and now they whine. It's OK to stick the country with their socialist manue, but when the bill comes due they squeal like the little pigs they are.
You can write a decent column on occasion Mr. Lord. One must ask why on earth you are sticking with an organization that pushes sin and heresy at every turn. And your denomination's head si not supporting the old faith, he's tearing it down by his political meandering just as the USCCB is destroying Roman Catholicism. Belief, and unbelief, produces certain actions, and Black is clearly not a believer. Neither are most of the members of the USCCB.
fckewe| 2.15.12 @ 1:10AM
Thanks Dood! "The homosexual invasion of the Church to gain access to the vernerable children within for their perverted sexual pleasures have now cost the Church $trillions from lawsuits and from lost of prestige as a religious organization. The Church allowed this to continue by moving these pervert-priests around among parishes/locations in order to protect their organization, not giving a damn about the welfare of the abused children involved."
you SUPPORT the anti Birth control minority?
After you said THAT??????????????????????
macwell| 2.15.12 @ 5:47AM
Well said oldefarte.
I think the problem with the Catholic church is manifold, the biggest of which is that there isn't as much input from congregants as there is in Protestant church's. In most evangelical church's there is a Deacons board and sometimes an Elders board to deal with. In some instances these board members speak directly to the pastor and have some control as to what comes from the pulpit.
Now, I grew up in the Catholic church and left at about 15 because I couldn't get any answers to the questions I had. One just didn't demand answers, there was a strict way to go about asking questions.
So for the next 17 or 18 years, I drifted around, and like many young people, I left the church. Fast forward to 1981, the night God decided I needed a visit. To make a long story short, as an evangelical, I was encouraged to read and study the Bible to find the answers I wanted, and I did of course.
I have nothing against the Catholic church and believe that it plays a part, God's part. I just believe more input from laypeople is a good thing and can't understand why the church is so against it.
Todd S| 2.14.12 @ 3:45PM
Explain how exactly the gay lobby cut off his manhood? That is a new one. And who cares is Elton John is gay? Elton paid Rush a visit when Rush was at the hospital in Hawaii as they were staying at same resort. Basically he is a decent man whatever his sexual orientation and exceptionally talented, I am sure Rush felt it was money well spent.
Spare me the Catholic Church persecution complex, they played the game and they got burned. Don't even get me started on their tolerance of good "Catholics" like the Kennedy's over the years and Pelosi and Biden now. How about they grow some balls and excommunicate someone?
Marlowe| 2.14.12 @ 7:36PM
Jack in WI:
You sir are a fool. Maybe you'll understand my point when they come looking for you.
fckewe| 2.15.12 @ 1:12AM
WHEN was the last time Rush Mastur was SEEN with a female? Before or after his drug rehab?
fckewe| 2.15.12 @ 1:13AM
BTW, has IT been tested like he advocates Food Stamps victims to be examed?
karla| 2.16.12 @ 10:10PM
Always interesting to hear catholics defend their church. They get themselves into a hissy fit over abortion and contraception but continue to support the largest pedophile organization on earth.
How many children were raped by priests, bishops, and cardinals? How many of the rapists were transferred to prevent prosecution? When you get on the right side of justice, perhaps those millions who left will return. Until then, you should be ashamed of yourselfs.
old white guy| 2.17.12 @ 6:55AM
karla. please study islam for true violence against islam. the actions of perverts that insinuated themselves in positions where they could molest children cannot be used to smear the entire church. the perverts are evreywhere and in numbers much larger than those that were uncovered in the church.
old white guy| 2.17.12 @ 6:56AM
children not islam.
old white guy| 2.17.12 @ 6:52AM
jack. what we have are words, words and more words. so far no action has been taken to remove the communists from our midst and no action will be taken. the u.s. citizens gave up their freedom many years ago. this can be proven by asking one question. what can you do that does not have the handprint of government on it???? the answer, nothing.
Alan Brooks| 2.14.12 @ 12:23PM
Rush will never be sent to a re-education camp for anything, whether anti-Soviet activities, or doctor shopping.
Rush is an antinomian Christian in the sense he is above the Law, Rush can do no wrong:
"he never stumbles, he got no place to fall,
he never stumbles, he got no place to fall,
he never stumbles,
the Law can't touch 'im at all"
yippee K| 2.14.12 @ 2:45PM
oooh... "antinomian". Is that four syllables or five? Either way it's obviously a word that's far above your pay grade.
Alan Brooks| 2.14.12 @ 7:31PM
"oooh... 'antinomian'. Is that four syllables or five? Either way it's obviously a word that's far above your pay grade."
But you had to webtionary it yourself. And you did not write that I was wrong about El Rushbo; which means you agree with my message that he is above the law.
old white guy| 2.17.12 @ 6:59AM
rush is not above the law but he has such a high profile that to do something to him that is unconstitutional and therefore against the LAW, would create a serious backlash for those who would try.
fckewe| 2.14.12 @ 2:32PM
Without the Inquisition and a hundred thousand abused altar boys who TRY to keep their mouths shut and their asshole puckered ... Most likely the Women of America!!!
yippee K| 2.14.12 @ 2:47PM
Shh! Grown ups are talking.
Monty's Python| 2.14.12 @ 3:35PM
No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!
Jack in Wi.| 2.14.12 @ 7:09PM
The Catholic Church was founded and is still led by Jesus Christ, God Himself. It has given the world the idea of the universal brotherhood of all mankind, the Holy Bible, Sacred Tradition, the University, mass charity to the poor and destitute, The Hospital, modern science which comes from the Church's monastaries and universities, great architecture, theology, philosphy, art, music. It has spread the Gospel of Jesus around the world first. The Church even today is by far the world's largest private provider of healthcare and education, much of it to poor and destitute people.
Numerous herrisy's, Rabbincal Talmudic Judasim, Islam, 35,000 Protestant sects, the French Revolution, Communism, Socialism, Atheism, National Socialism, and the new neo-paganism were all founded to destroy aand replace the Church. They have not succeeded yet.
The church has survived many thousands of civil governments and many persecutions in it's 2000 year old history. It will survive Obama and if the Republicans are elected, it will survive them as well. The Republicans have pushedPlanned parenthood and abortion as much as the Democrats. Of course, I am talking about the elite Rockefeller Bush wing of the party who has controlled it for over 100 years.
Clint| 2.14.12 @ 6:22AM
" The U.S. bishops’ letter of October 8 ,2009 states:
“No one should be required to pay for or participate in abortion. It is essential that the legislation clearly apply to this new program longstanding and widely supported federal restrictions on abortion funding and mandates, and protections for rights of conscience.
No current bill meets this test…. If acceptable language in these areas cannot be found, we will have to oppose the health care bill vigorously.”
For the full text of this letter and more information on proposed legislation and the bishops’ advocacy for authentic health care reform, visit: www.usccb.org/healthcare.
Congressional leaders are attempting to put together final bills for floor consideration. Please contact your Representative and Senators today and urge them to fix these bills with the pro-life amendments noted below. Otherwise much needed health care reform will have to be opposed. Health care reform should be about saving lives, not destroying them."
Alan Brooks| 2.14.12 @ 2:01PM
"Health care reform should be about saving lives"
Health care is never going to be reformed, Clint, it has turned into another political football. Perhaps Ron Paul could reform health care, but he will never be president.
Situation Normal All Fouled (this is a family site) Up.
Kenny| 2.14.12 @ 7:06AM
Sadly, the Catholic bishops are, of average, very leftist.
They have twisted the concept of biblical social justice to mean wealth distribution as if forcing others to the taxes is charirty on their part.
Timothy L. Pennell| 2.14.12 @ 8:56AM
Kenny. How right you are. But you don't go nearly far enough. There's an 800lb. Effeminate Gorilla, in the room, that nobody wants to talk about.
Homosexuals and Lesbians.
(Okay. Two 400lb. Gorillas)
All of these Churches have been infiltrated by Homosexuals and Lesbians. The Catholic Church has tried to hide theirs. The Protestants have them up at the Alter, preaching the Gospel with women's Panties on under their Frocks, assorted Piercings, and God knows what else.
The Muslims just Kill theirs.
These Churches have been Left Wing/Liberal for Decades. I left the Methodist Church 30 years ago, because of their ties to South American Communist Gorilla Groups. The Jesuits did the same thing.
These Left Wing Churches were on the Front Lines of the (KGB financed) Anti-War Movement. Useful Idiots for Evil. Some of them, are still at it. They still, wittingly or not, play a Useful part in Evils' Plan.
The Conference of Bishops has been the Leader of this pack, for Decades. Their hands have been awash in blood, for a long time. Now, they are awash in the Evil of Covering Up for the Homosexual Pedophiles, in their Ranks, and all of the Ruined Lives they are responsible for.
Having "Turned the other cheek" for the last 50 Years, as far as Communism/Marxism/Homosexuality/Pedophilia/ and Muslim Terrorism goes, it appears that they actually DO have their breaking Point. I just have my doubts, as to whether they still have the COURAGE that the APOSTLES had, when they spread the Gospel, KNOWING that it would cost them their lives. I wonder if such MEN still exist? Or, is MONEY the only thing that matters, any more?
I have a Plan, but it's not for the feint of heart, or those wearing Panties.
Shut it all down. The Hospitals, the Schools, the Clinics, EVERYTHING. If the MUSLIM does not back off? Shut it all down. Throw his beloved Cloward and Piven back in his Smug Face. Overwhelm the System. The Inner City Poor would rise up against him. They would DEMAND these Institutions be allowed to continue, as the CATHOLICS see fit. Not as he does.
Do not make a DEAL with the DEVIL.
We know who he is. We know what he is. He is the product of the union of an Atheist/Communist and a Muslim/Marxist.
He was RAISED in Muslim Indonesia, until the age of 11, where he attended MUSLIM Schools and MUSLIM Mosques. He knelt on his Prayer Rug, facing Mecca, and prayed to a God of MURDER, BLOOD, SLAVERY, and DEATH 5 times a day.
His Grandparents were Communist. They set him up with a Communist Mentor. His 2nd Mentor was a White Hating/Jew Hating/America Hating MARXIST.
His friends are Cop Killers, Bombers, and Domestic Terrorists.
HAMAS believes that he was "Sent by Allah" to Destroy the JEWS, and Deliver Jerusalem, back to Muslim hands. They have given him the name: ABU HUSSAIN - Son Of The Father.
Should American Christian Churches and Synagogues be making DEALS with this Creature?
Should they BELIEVE the words of the Great Deceiver? Should we take the word of a man who's Philosophical Underpinnings, and the ROCK that he seeks to build his SECULAR CHURCH upon, is a Book "Rules For Radicals" written by a Godless piece of Filth, and Dedicated to LUCIFER?
Is that what we're gonna do?
I hope not.
Bob Grant| 2.14.12 @ 9:53AM
".The Inner City Poor would rise up against him. They would DEMAND these Institutions be allowed to continue, as the CATHOLICS see fit. Not as he does."..
So per Poward Cliven, overwhelm the government system, not the Church? Under your scenario, the Church would just go away and poor peoples' demands would shift from there to the government. The Church would be forever gone.
Timothy L. Pennell| 2.14.12 @ 10:11AM
The CHURCH would still be there.
There is no way that the Government could take it all over quick enough. These people would break down the Doors of their Representatives, and THEY, would get this thrown out.
That's where they would be Overwhelmed. The Representatives. The Politicians. The Mayors. The Governors. Do you have any idea how long it takes Government to do ANYTHING?
There would be Riots in the Streets.
"The Church would be gone forever?"
Obviously, you have nothing in common with the REAL Bob Grant.
Bob Grant| 2.14.12 @ 10:51AM
The point is the Cloward/Piven strategy only works vis-a-vis government entities.
Your little plan has unintended consequences perhaps you haven't pondered.
Timothy L. Pennell| 2.14.12 @ 11:12AM
Really?
Why don't you tell the Class, what those are?
Then, you can tell us YOU'RE Plan?
Every Plan has "Possible" unintended consequences. Ask any Military Commander. To do nothing, is to lose our Religious Freedom. To do nothing, is not an option.
And YOU have yet to offer anything.
Bob Grant| 2.14.12 @ 2:17PM
I know that NOT to do which is shut down much needed private services in poor areas.
Catholic providers will go where they are needed most which are impoverished areas.
Shutting them down to stick it to our dictator wont hurt him in the slightest. It just means more people dependent on more government services.
Exactly what he wants.
Timothy L. Pennell| 2.14.12 @ 3:03PM
Still waiting for YOUR Plan.
Bob Grant| 2.14.12 @ 5:19PM
I never mentioned I had a plan. I was only criticizing yours.
Nothing wrong with that. We do that on a daily basis here at AmSpec.
fckewe| 2.14.12 @ 2:37PM
Timmy, just set up a cot in the alley behind the church, so you can breathe the opium fumes 24/7.
Tiddly| 2.14.12 @ 11:30AM
I want to know about those gorilla groups.
Melvin| 2.14.12 @ 12:05PM
"Yo dude, whats a Commu...what? Is that like a radical new video game or something? Wow, it's 1:00 in the afternoon, I better get up. !Mom!! Mommmmmmm!!! Can you cook me breakfast, I'm hungry!!"......"Damn this basements cold.
100% fag-yid-atheist-commie| 2.14.12 @ 5:59PM
WHOAH.......!!
SOMEONE IS DEFINATELY OFF THEIR MEDS, TODAY....!--DON'T WORRY, THOUGH--I'M SURE YOUR ANTI-PSYCOTIC MEDICATION WILL BE COVERED UNDER THE NEW HEALTH PLAN.....
RCV| 2.14.12 @ 6:51PM
It's the homsosexuals, again!
fckewe| 2.14.12 @ 2:36PM
Catholic Socialist Marxist Leftists? Who believe in virginity, sex for procreation ONLY, and coerced baptism, mandatory pregnancy and forced childbirth? Who Are against, free will as described by Christ, forgiveness as demonstrated by Christ and The Constitutional LAWS of America?
you like to DEEP THROAT your dogma, don't you?
Clint| 2.14.12 @ 7:10AM
"A total of 86 bishops who have spoken out against the Obama/HHS mandate publicly.
Bishop Olmsted of Phoenix, Archbishop Dennis Schnurr of Cincinnati and Bishop David Ricken of Green Bay, Wisconsin suggested the same in their public statements.
“We cannot – we will not comply with this unjust law. People of faith cannot be made second-class citizens. We are already joined by our brothers and sisters of all faiths and many others of good will in this important effort to regain our religious freedom. Our parents and grandparents did not come to these shores to help build America’s cities and towns, its infrastructure and institutions, its enterprise and culture, only to have their prosperity stripped of their God given rights. In generations past, the Church has always been able to count on the faithful to stand up and protect her sacred rights and duties. I hope she can trust on this generation of Catholics to do the same. Our children and grandchildren deserve nothing less.”
Chalkdust| 2.14.12 @ 9:44AM
Clint
Those that choose to lay down with dogs will surely get fleas. Suggest you read Timothy L. Pennell's post juxtaposed to your post.
I further suggest the Catholic Church disband, purge itself of the evil within, re-exam the word of our Saviour Jesus Christ and reform into a more Godly organization.
The separation of church and state so lovingly invented by the godless left is a two-way street don't-ya-know. The state of Obama's America choose to separate itself from the church....to bad the pious religious organizations of America choose not to do the same thing long ago. Watch out for fleas!
Clint| 2.14.12 @ 10:55AM
You Catholic Bashers Ignore The Elephant In The Middle Of The Room.
" In stark contrast to most mainstream Christian leaders, especially those of the Roman Catholic Church in the U.S., a coalition of 22 Christian, Jewish and Muslim institutions has emerged expressing support for President Barack Obama's controversial contraception mandate that affects many faith-based institutions.
Catholics for Choice, Episcopal Divinity School, Jewish Women International, Methodist Federation for Social Action, Muslims for Progressive Values, the Planned Parenthood Clergy Advisory Board, and several others said in a Wednesday statement that the Obama administration was correct in requiring institutions that do not have purely sectarian goals to offer comprehensive preventive health care."
Clint| 2.14.12 @ 11:19AM
You Catholic Bashers Ignore The Elephant In The Middle Of The Room.
Catholics for Choice; the Central Conference of American Rabbis; Concerned Clergy for
Choice; Disciples Justice Action Network; Episcopal Divinity School; Episcopal Women’s
Caucus; Hadassah; the Jewish Reconstructionist Federation; Jewish Women International;
Methodist Federation for Social Action; Muslims for Progressive Values; the National Council of
Jewish Women; Planned Parenthood Clergy Advisory Board; the Rabbinical Assembly; the
Religious Coalition to Reproductive Choice; the Religious Institute; Society for Humanistic
Judaism; The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism; Union Theological Seminary; Unitarian
Universalist Association; and United Church of Christ represent millions of religious leaders
and people of faith across the country.
http://www.catholicsforchoice......erage1.pdf
yippee K| 2.14.12 @ 3:16PM
oops!
Carol| 2.14.12 @ 7:14AM
Great piece, Jeffrey Lord!
While reading my blood pressure was rising. I cannot believe the lengths the Obama Regime has gone to take over our country and those who are so willing to give up their freedoms because they think they will not be effected by what is coming down the pike.
Take note all - EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US - LIBERALS INCLUDED - WILL BE EFFECTED BY WHAT GEORGE SOROS AND HIS LACKEY IN THE WHITE HOUSE ARE DOING TO US.
How dare "churches" who you have exposed as being nothing more than beggars looking for handouts from government, try to stifle the likes of one of only truthtellers out there: Rush Limbaugh.
I was wondering yesterday why Rush spent so much time on Rahe's piece, which I am glad he did. And Mr. Lord, you have added so much more evidence to the riddle of the churches.
I thought you were going to say you left the UCC, Mr. Lord, but your members should at least send Mr. Black packing. He is the one who has betrayed you.
c. j. acworth| 2.14.12 @ 7:19AM
Most people, if asked, would say that separation of church and state ensures that the church will not corrupt the state. I always figured the danger was the opposite, that acess to state power would corrupt the church.
"(the Catholic Bishops) may be beginning to understand what happens when a church dallies too intimately in the corridors of power."
It was for this reason that I opposed G. W. Bush's idea of "faith based initiatives", by the way. Take Ceasar's coin, become Ceasar's creature.
Tim the Enchanter| 2.14.12 @ 7:34AM
You're absolutely correct. It has always been the state's encroachment on the rights and perogatives of the Church that has been the problem. The Church has neither the power or the will to use force. The state, on the other hand- it's the only tool in their toolbox.
Chalkdust| 2.14.12 @ 10:05AM
Tim...You're dead wrong. The church has the most deadly weapon of all...the bully pulpit. From the podium, the Church has preached for years and years that the state was their Saviour, not that those who choose to come to God, can be their own best Saviour.
Too the tune of 57%, those that identified themselves as Catholic voted for Obama. What do you imagine they were expecting to get?
yippee K| 2.14.12 @ 2:15PM
That 57% were hoping consciously or subconsciously for exactly this. I've met a leftist "Christian" or two and their love for the State is only matched by their secret loathing for God.
Chalkdust| 2.14.12 @ 2:31PM
Agreed.
PattyMor| 2.14.12 @ 7:27AM
The Catholic hierarchy bought into the "social justice" meme way back when Roosevelt started it. They wanted some crumbs from the liberal table thrown at them to fund their charities. But they have it all backwards. Charity does not come from government. The government is force. If it becomes big enough, eventually that force will be used against you. In the end, big government can tolerate no rival; just ask the communists.
Clint| 2.14.12 @ 7:38AM
"Nationally, Catholic Charities is the largest private provider of social services to children, families, and individuals impacted by poverty. While its mission is based in Catholic Social Teaching, it honors and respects all of the religions and beliefs of the very diverse people it serves. 92% of all expenses are for program services, the remaining 8% is for supporting services."
Tim the Enchanter| 2.14.12 @ 7:31AM
I wish people would stop referring to the Novus Ordo "bishops" as Catholic. They are nothing of the sort. They took the olive branch that Satan offered them at Vatican II and have not looked back since. They may continue with this charade, but in the end they will have to answer for their usurpation and their false teachings. May God have mercy on these false bretheren.
yippee K| 2.14.12 @ 2:18PM
Blue, I mean yelloooooowwww...... ?
"May God have mercy..." sounds a lot like F.U. the way you say it.
Brian Mc| 2.14.12 @ 7:39AM
Is this the scratch and dent we've been hoping for, for so long? Will it relegate liberalism to the back of the store with a markdown tag that can't be marked down enough for anyone to take notice? Most likely, it will be long forgotten when it comes time to pull the lever in November. On that, I hope and pray I'm wrong.
Carol| 2.14.12 @ 7:45AM
With patriots like Jeffrey Lord keeping us informed and the Daily Caller who is really going after George Soros' - Obama's puppetmaster - Media Matters, and Rush and Mark Levin, hopefully people are waking up. Pray on it!
Clint| 2.14.12 @ 7:48AM
The Catholic Bashers Ignore The Elephant In The Middle Of The Room.
" In stark contrast to most mainstream Christian leaders, especially those of the Roman Catholic Church in the U.S., a coalition of 22 Christian, Jewish and Muslim institutions has emerged expressing support for President Barack Obama's controversial contraception mandate that affects many faith-based institutions.
Catholics for Choice, Episcopal Divinity School, Jewish Women International, Methodist Federation for Social Action, Muslims for Progressive Values, the Planned Parenthood Clergy Advisory Board, and several others said in a Wednesday statement that the Obama administration was correct in requiring institutions that do not have purely sectarian goals to offer comprehensive preventive health care."
Nemo| 2.14.12 @ 7:59AM
I have nothing against the historical doctrines of he Catholic Church. I nearly joined it once, and still respect a great deal about it. But what I have against it is its cowardice - it goes to water when attacked or resisted, or its trendy "niceness" is threatened.. Those who would, like me, rejoice to see it set back on the road of courage should bear this in mind. Thank you, Jeffrey Lord, fir another brilliant piece.
Ted| 2.14.12 @ 8:45AM
I must politely disagree. Their methods of resistance, if you will, are different from what we are used to seeing in the regular give and take of life and politics. I give you as an example the Polish Bishops and their resistance to both the Nazis and the Communists, especially under Cardinal Stefan Wyszyński and another Cardinal named Wojtyla..... who you may know by another name: Pope John Paul II.
yippee K| 2.14.12 @ 2:20PM
American church hierarchy has been out of step with the leadership ethos of the last two pontiffs for sure. The American CC could do a lot worse than studying the writings and the lives of the current Holy Father and his predecessor. They might actually learn something about the essence of their professed faith.
martin j smith| 2.14.12 @ 7:59AM
The target in the end is all religion. It is my view that one reason many Jewish Organizations do not criticize Obama not only on Israel but many domestic issues such as Freedom of Religion and Speech is because they are scared--and it would not at all surprise me to hear that a certain group of Jewish leaders were told in no uncertain terms to keep their mouths shut or else. Of that I have no doubt.
I have no brief for the Catholic Church but I do have for Freedom and Speech and of Religion.
Where is Romney and where are the Republican Leadershit ? They are SHIT.
Ward Bond| 2.14.12 @ 9:33AM
Mr. Smith, you hit the nail on the head. The target is religion. Stalin knew it, Hitler knew it. A totalitarian regime can not exist where a Higher Authority exists. Liberalism is based on atheism, where man, not God,sets the rules.
Ralph Simmons| 2.14.12 @ 8:34AM
I respect Mr. Lord as a commentator, although I often disagree with him.
In this case I think he is nitpicking the US Catholic Bishops' earlier press release and continuing his jihad against the leadership of his own denomination (which, on the basis of his well-documented testimony, is fully justified).
Von Mises Jr.| 2.14.12 @ 9:09AM
As a practicing Catholic, I left a Parish where the Priest was very liberal to join another where the Priests are conservative. My new Priests and I often discussed Locke, Burke and the Founding Fathers, as well as European and American history.
But like all groups, the Church is diverse. This is not to excuse the alleged First Amendment Rights violated by the leaders, but we should understand the fact that some 25% of Americans are Catholic, I believe; and probably more than half of the population considers themselves good Christians.
So I would only caution that we do not let the Obama "divide and conquer" strategy pit conservatives and libertarians against Christians. This is what communist dream of: to turn the people off to the Word of G0d.
Instead we should welcome the Bishops new found wisdom and join force in their message. This is not the time to blame, but to unite for our nation and our Constitution.
Al Adab| 2.14.12 @ 10:23AM
Jr:
A government order - a dictat if you will - forcing any individual or group to act contrary to their conscience, is the very definition of tyranny. If any of us simply stand by and watch, we become no less complicit that those who promulgated the order themselves. This is the time to remember that this nation stands for freedom, liberty and the rule of law; not for rule by men or government by fiat. If we fail to rid ourselves of those who would subjugate us under their rule it will be many long ages before mankind recovers from the impending dark age and rediscovers Liberty.
It is no exaqggeration to state that the next five hundred years of human history lie in the balance. It is heartbreakingly sad that so many are so willing to trade their birthright for government pottage.
Von Mises Jr.| 2.14.12 @ 11:28AM
Al, It is hard to imagine that there are that many people who are still ignorant to the reality that if government controls your health decisions, has control over your bank accounts through Dodd Frank, holds your mortgage, is the sole provider of student loans, makes your car and instills the fear of G0d in your employer to obey its mandates and comnmands; that these people can still fantasize that they have any liberty or freedoms.
People must realize the unemployment rate is really 17-23%, not 8.3%, and that inflation is two or three times the reported CPI at a minimum. They cannot sell their houses, get a loan and they fear for their jobs. But "one never knows, do one."
Al Adab| 2.14.12 @ 12:15PM
"Mankind is inclined to suffer evils while evils are sufferable" said the author. We can only hope that enough (in the proper states) have come to recognize tyranny for what it is.
Tenn Slim| 2.14.12 @ 9:11AM
Rush, Glenn, Lou, Sean, FOX, suffered from that set of events, some survived others did not.
The KEY IS THE SOROS 40k grant, his money comes with real strings.
Soros effectively ended Glenn, hurt FOX fiscally, and continues to wage his monied participation across the FCC air waves.
This year, 2012, will see the October surprises come in May, the Left will never, ever, let go of the gains made these past 3+ years. It is naive to the point of stupidity to expect the Left to go quietly into the night via the Electoral process.
The Chaldean hand has written on the Oval OFfice wall.
Semper FI
Von Mises Jr.| 2.14.12 @ 9:15AM
BTW, Jesus said to the people who were going to stone the adulteress to death: "Let he without sin cast the first stone." Half the American population receives Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, government pensions, food stams, WIC or other government benefits. They have all been fooled to give away their freedoms for security. The Washington Times online today reported that Social Security is going broke by 2022, and most state pension plans will be broke before that. So most of us have been fooled by politicians bearing false gifts.
nathan| 2.14.12 @ 9:15AM
Mr. Lord is perhaps being a bit selective here in his history? Senator McCain has been attacking the Bill of Rights for over a decade and I don't recall all that much outrage regarding him. If memory serves me correctly, he was even the republican nominee four years ago.
You will recall that McCain/Feingold was a direct assault on the First Amendment and targeted specifically at the NRA. McCain has also attacked the Second Amendment over the years. In December McCain gave vocal support for the amendment to the NDAA which more or less eliminates the Fifth Amendment from the Constitution. When Rand Paul rose up in opposition to it, McCain more or less called him a traitor.
Recall if you will that while yes BHO signed the NDAA, the Fifth Amendment destroying parts of it would not have been in it if the House republicans, specifically speaker Boehner had demanded that they be removed from the final version of the bill. To what purpose did Boehner allow that ghastly provision to remain in? Where was the spirited defense of the Constitution we were expecting? And the very people we're talking about, Rush and others, how much condemnation did they heap on the NDAA?
Are some us not a little puzzled over the current controversy? A number of states have had similar mandates regarding reproductive services and Catholic run organizations have managed to live with those mandates. Why now the uproar?
Finally, we can and should vigorously defend the First Amendment even when the speech being defended is ghastly but don't kid yourselves, Glenn Beck and others have said any number of things that were hard to listen to. He called the jihadists "animals", made it clear he considered them anything other than human beings and probably didn't think they should be treated as humans. When you read interviews with those who participated in Holocaust related activities, dehumanizing the Jews went a long ways towards making it easy to murder them. We note for example that German units who served on both the East Front and the West Front behaved differently with the respective POW's. The Russians they horribly mistreated because they were "animals", barbarians. The Americans and British they treated properly because they were "civilized". Same troops, different reactions based on different perceptions. Which is why what Beck and others were doing was so horribly dangerous. Is it any wonder we see so much detainee abuse now?
Beck and others can say what they want, but let's not view them, when they say such horrible nonsnse as any sort of heroes. They are dangerous.
Bob K.| 2.14.12 @ 9:29AM
Anybody can nitpick for facts they don't like in articles with a large scope like this one. Most critics do it to keep the readers minds off the real reasons behind the article.
This Article is about the continuing attacks by liberal/Progressives on the First Amendment.
nathan| 2.14.12 @ 10:23AM
I get your point, but you don't think the previous attacks on the First Amendment by no less than the republican presidential nominee didn't help pave the way for the current attacks? I'm as absolutist as they come where the Constitution is concerned but focusing only what the left does while ignoring attacks on the document by the so called "right", by "conservatives", by republicans themselves is incredibly dangerous and short sighted. I have no doubt that what McCain did, and continues to do, and others like him makes it far to easy for the left to do their thing.
And honestly as bad as the current assault on the First Amendment is regarding freedom of religion, I'm sorry the language in the NDAA giving the government the power to indefinitely detain Americans in the country without going before a judge, without contact with a lawyer based on "information" is far more dangerous. And notice, unlike with the current ranting and raving over the current freedom of religion controversy, there was virtual silence on the right regarding the Fifth Amendment destroying NDAA language. Perhaps because it was sold as being necessary to "protect the country" or "support the troops" as McCain told Rand Paul? Similar to the totally unconstitutional and horribly misnamed "Patriot Act"? The right tends to be VERY selective about what assaults on the Constitution they get worked up about.
Bob K.| 2.14.12 @ 3:02PM
I have no argument with your outrage over these laws and the lawmakers who propounded and voted for them. In fact, I agree with you.
Limbaugh and Dobbs are private citizens with big bullhorns. It's fine to criticize their speech and inconsistencies but they have the same right as you and I do in their expressions. Mr. Lord could have used other examples as illustrations in this article and received like criticism for those choices.
As you noted, my point was that the article was about our governments on going threats against our Constitutional rights. He is, of course, preaching to the choir here and trying to stir it up. I agree with him and am willing to overlook some inconsistencies that some elected leaders of this choir had in order for him to get his message across undiluted.
If we sit down and think about the two alternatives offered us in this election the Republicans appear to me to be much the lesser of two evils.
George S| 2.14.12 @ 10:04AM
Now I've heard everything: it was freedom of speech that led to the Holocaust. Our glorious public educational system on full display.
What led to the Holocaust will interest you. Weimar Germany was in a severe depression in the early 1930's mostly due to the reparations they were forced to pay under the Treaty of Versailles. Then came the Great Depression and the Smoot-Hawley tariff making it impossible for Germany to sell in American markets. But the average German did not know or appreciate the underlying conditions of their misery so a little Austrian with a funny moustache took advantage of the unrest to gain power. He pointed the finger to the cause of economic misery to... (yes, you guessed correctly) the Jew. The Jews were viciously caricatured in propaganda as big nosed money grubbers -- and the fact that they were making money while Germans were starving didn't really invite conditions to defend the Jew against the Nazi led hate festival. This was the first step in the dehumanization process.
Fast forward to today: an economic crisis and a Kenyan with funny ears points his bony finger at bankers (I am all that's between you and the pitchforks) and proclaims they are the problem that we are in. Never mind the fact his ilk caused the problem with affordable housing (the way Germany caused World War I) and now have to pay the economic price. People do not understand the underlying causes so we will blame the Jew (Wall Street) because their traits make it easy to hate them.
AS for the Catholic church: in 1933, the Church and Nazi Germany signed a Concordant which pretty much made Hitler legitimate in the eyes of the Catholic world. Funny how their history is one of collusion before the horror sets in. And then it's how did this happen? It helps with ignorant people spread out in the population.
yippee K| 2.14.12 @ 3:01PM
Even if you really are George Soros I have to say your comment makes good sense. I think you've accurately summarized one side of things as far as the Weimar Republic goes and the lead-up to the Nazis. For the other side of it, read the first couple of chapters of Quaker historian Paul Johnson's Modern Times. Historical collusion between the national socialists and the Catholic Church hierarchy is perhaps best personified by Monsignor Jozef Tiso, the Catholic priest installed as the head of an independent collaborative Slovak state by the Nazi invaders. On another note, I also find it interesting that every nation that was primarily Orthodox in religious persuasion eventually succumbed to tyrannical regimes, either socialist or moslem. Nations whose policies were informed by the Reformation however have proven far more resilient to tyranny, if not entirely to that Christian heresy socialism.
Clint| 2.14.12 @ 6:53PM
" Avraham Stern and his followers announced that
“The NMO, National Military Organization in Palestine (Irgun Zvai Leumi) which is well-acquainted with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its authorities towards Zionist activity inside Germany and towards Zionist emigration plans, is of the opinion that:
1. Common interests could exist between the establishment of a new order in Europe in conformity with the German concept, and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as they are embodied by the NMO.
2. Cooperation between the new Germany and a renewed folkish-national Hebraium would be possible and,
3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power in the Near East.
Proceeding from these considerations, the NMO in Palestine, under the condition the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Israeli freedom movement are recognized on the side of the German Reich, offers to actively take part in the war on Germany’s side.”
PJ| 2.14.12 @ 4:20PM
George S,
Your last paragraph is wrong. Hitler was anti-Christian & was seeking ways to undermine all Christian religions as soon as he became chancellor. In the eyes of the Roman Church the signing of the 1933 Concordant was a way to protect the German faithful. It wasn't perfect; but I think they felt they had no choice. See article from this magazine for a better understanding of those times for the Catholic Church: http://www.americamagazine.org.....le_id=3131
George S| 2.14.12 @ 6:36PM
I don't know, but what the Concordat was meant to do and what it did do are two separate things. Yes, the intent was to protect the Church in Germany, but it certainly was a coup for Hitler precisely because the Concordat legitimized Nazi Germany in the eyes of the Catholic -- and Christian -- world.
The Nazis were not anti-Christian. Christmas was celebrated up to 1944, the last Christmas before the fall of the Reich. Hermann Goehring was married in a church by a Reichbishop. Ever see those pictures of Hitler holding a whip? He symbolically cited John 2:14 (the money changers being driven from the temple) in order to scourge the corrupt.
Hitler may have been anti-Catholic, but certainly not anti-Christian.
As far as the Concordat, the world knew that Germany was not allowed to rearm under the Treaty of Versailles. Yet the Concordat made provisions of inducting military chaplains should... Germany rearm. It also added a supplement to exclude Catholic clergy from military induction. Now why would that language be included?
I stand by the legitimizing comment.
Clint| 2.14.12 @ 6:56PM
" Avraham Stern and his followers announced that
“The NMO, National Military Organization in Palestine (Irgun Zvai Leumi) which is well-acquainted with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its authorities towards Zionist activity inside Germany and towards Zionist emigration plans, is of the opinion that:
1. Common interests could exist between the establishment of a new order in Europe in conformity with the German concept, and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as they are embodied by the NMO.
2. Cooperation between the new Germany and a renewed folkish-national Hebraium would be possible and,
3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power in the Near East.
Proceeding from these considerations, the NMO in Palestine, under the condition the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Israeli freedom movement are recognized on the side of the German Reich, offers to actively take part in the war on Germany’s side.”
Clint| 2.14.12 @ 7:04PM
" The attitude of the Nazi party to the Catholic Church ranged from tolerance to outright aggression in service of their covert plan to near total renunciation. Many Nazis were anti-clerical in both private and public life. The Nazi party had decidedly pagan elements.One position is that the Church and fascism could never have a lasting connection because both are a "holistic Weltanschauung" claiming the whole of the person.
Although both Hitler and Mussolini were anticlerical, they both understood that it would be rash to begin their Kulturkampfs prematurely, such a clash, possibly inevitable in the future, were put off while they dealt with other enemies."
PJ| 2.14.12 @ 10:19PM
Hitler not anti-Christian? Didn't you read the article I referenced?
Hitler was about himself. He used the established Christian religions to get what he wanted by controlling the people. He had no need for their theologies.
How dare you write that he was not anti-Christian!
The Big E| 2.14.12 @ 9:27AM
All of us who claim to followers of Christ, regardless of denomination, need to wake up and realize that the day in fast approaching in this country when we will ALL be forced to choose between our faith and a prison cell.
These Catholic Bishops, regardless of their past shortcomings, have apparently decided to draw the line at being forced to support contraception/abortion. Where will the rest of us draw ours?
yippee K| 2.14.12 @ 3:04PM
The day is fast receding in the distant past, my friend. If you didn't draw your line 20 years ago, where have you been all this time?
The Big E| 2.14.12 @ 3:22PM
Obviously, in a situation where I was not forced to draw that line. Were you in a situation where you were forced to draw such a line? If so, provide some details please. Or have you been theorizing over such decisions for 20 years? I have not, but maybe I should have been.
Petronius| 2.14.12 @ 9:28AM
The purpose of this latest government exercise is the elevation to cultural primacy of the Liberals' favorite sacrament; fornication without consequence. As for the churches' resisting political encroachment, the Ivy League wets who controlled the protestant denominations never really offered any, and the Catholics rolled over after Cardinal Spellman's generation of prelates passed on and the weenies took over. As the boomers reached majority, all the tough guys couldn't wait to stop going to church, and when they got back from "Nam" they became wastrels instead of having families. We are doomed because there are no Real Men running anything in this country anymore. Even the Marines threw in the towel when ordered to admit homosexuals.
The United States is no longer worthy of its own name, having turned itself into a superannuated nursery school in a vane attempt to eradicate conflict, pain, and risk from the lives of its feeble majority of congenital losers. And this legion of infantile parasites will re-elect Obama as he has promised them plunder after disarming us. So looking to the Bishops to stop them from over running civilized people is futile after half a century of subsidies for their character deficiencies. God won't help us either. Remember the Fatima Prophecies.
yippee K| 2.14.12 @ 3:06PM
Ha! Well put! The Liberal's favorite sacrament. Yes. That's exactly it. That is the damn spade we need to be naming loudly and clearly to all and sundry.
WL| 2.14.12 @ 9:47AM
I am constantly frustrated with many of our Religious, Business, and other types of leaders (regardless of the denomination or type of business)...They always seem to fold up or cave in some form or fashion.
However, I believe that this tendency is a result of "man's" tendency to give in to cowardice and/or fear, rather than corruption, most of the time.
Looking at history, their is only one antedote for this: A few good men (women) making a stand, is the answer. When people have a leader that will look squarely at the hoard, stop retreating, and actually hold ground, the entire force will begin to hold. This is why generals are so important. This is why leaders are irreplacable.
I am not catholic, but regardless of the past, or previous indecision or fear, they are making a stand right now, and we should all stand with them.
This Holy Roller is, and I hope you folks do too.
The hoard never splits it's ranks, and we shouldn't either.
taxedtexan| 2.14.12 @ 10:20AM
Any time the UCC is in an article, I must post the obligatory disclaimer.
the average Bible adhering Church of Christ down the street is not associated with the "United Church of Christ".
Please do not lump us with the political action committee known as the UCC.
Thank and bless you.
youfamissim | 2.14.12 @ 10:45AM
Jack in Wisc. must surely belong to another Group - the "Truth Team" the Obama campaign announced yesterday - to dispute factual inaccuracies and character attacks on Obama. The Ministry of Truth, headed by mentally unstable David Brock cannot be far behind should Obama get a second term. It is the mentally unstable Brock who directs the attacks emanating from Media Matters. Brock fears assassination from an unnamed conservative sniper - true! Read this in the daily caller piece - substantiated by employees at MM. Brock also had weapon toting protection surrounding him at all times. What does he fear and why does he fear it? Both are explained in his actions. By attacking the Constitution, Brock and other liberals fear retribution. They know their actions have reached critical mass and the people are angry. Brock's actions have also made his staff angry - why they are outing him now. Yelling screaming and belittling his staff are noted. Drug use too is insinuated. These are the character traits liberals ensconce with power. We are losing our freedoms to lunatics obsessed with control. Liberals can't function in a free market where uncertainty abounds. This is why the prefer to control the details of life - AND - to bully. The final outcome is not yet written and the American people are facing a choice, perhaps for the last time - if Obama gets re-elected. Obama's actions in a second term unconcerned with election will reveal the menace within. Economic uncertainty will clarify. The government will fight to preserve power when they can no longer buy votes - once bankruptcy arrives. The decisions avoided - the hard choices - will be made for them and us. This is frightening.
youfamissim | 2.14.12 @ 10:47AM
And Thanks to Jeff for another great piece.
martin j smith| 2.14.12 @ 10:54AM
This is not actually an issue about religion at all. It is about trampling on the Constitution\--period. You don't see that ? That is too sad to comment further or you are a troll __Whatever. Obama is showing his true colors and if your goal is not to get rid of him I have nothing worth saying to you.
Slacker| 2.14.12 @ 6:33PM
Damn straight.
This is about personal liberty. Religion and healthcare is simply the area of this particular encroachment.
Catholic social teaching has long been hostile towards personal liberty so this is what they get for moralizing about the common good.
When the churches get their waivers the bishops will declare everything to be satisfactory. They will not give a damn about your individual liberty.
Churches should have intellectually challenged the argument that birth control is even health care. Fertility is a normal part of life. Birth control is a personal luxury. Couples can buy their own.
If birth control represents a financial burden, you have a shitty job.
Ronda Wintheiser| 2.14.12 @ 10:56AM
Funny... I was thinking of Niemoller's comment myself this morning... but with a little different twist...
First they came for the communists, but I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, but I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, but I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew...
Then they came for the little ones in their mothers' wombs, but I didn't speak out because I had already escaped the womb.
And then they came for me... But there was no one left to speak out for me...
Jill Johnson| 2.14.12 @ 11:50AM
"The Catholic bishops, good souls that they are, foolishly sought to ride the back of the tiger."
Ah, Mr. Lord, it appears you too are riding the back of the tiger, or are enabling those who do, by your own reluctance to call a spade a spade. These good Catholic bishops and your UCC have enabled evil. That in itself is evil, and argues against their goodness -- I see little in your article that persuades me that these good people would not, as soon as the heat was off them, again turn up the fire that is roasting the rest of us. THEIR VERY IDEOLOGY has created this mess, and as far as I can tell, they have not repudiated that ideology, except as it burns them. Poor shepherds they are, who run from the wolf to save their own skin, leaving the flock to be devoured at will.
Al Adab| 2.14.12 @ 12:18PM
The error, dating back to Cnastantine, is in attempting to place Christs' Kingdom (ONE NOT OF THIS WORLD) into a position to rule men in this. His kingdom is in the heart and the mind, not to be found through the secular power though we might wish it so.
Al Adab| 2.14.12 @ 12:19PM
Constantine - my fat fingers betray.
Melvin| 2.14.12 @ 12:13PM
There is a very good article written by Kirsty Walker of the Mail Online about a English Minister who happens to be Muslim calling on Christians to stand up for their faith from the attacks of Militant Secularists.
I for one have been telling Atheists and militant secularists to kiss my ass, and pound sand, I know it is not the Catholic thing to do, but it is the only thing that the Atheists and other militant secularists seem to understand.
Chef Schnauzer| 2.14.12 @ 1:24PM
Thank you Mr. Lord, many times. As a catholic, the bishops have played a very dangerous game and the full repercussions have yet to slap them in the butt. The kernel of much of this was losing control of the seminaries, allowing the perverse and disgusting to take holy orders and promoting them up through the ranks. The damage is both temporal and eternal the Roman Catholic Bishops have hurt their flock almost beyond repair. As long as the Bishops keep cafeteria Catholicism alive the heart of the Church in America remains in peril. The reason a Pelosi or Teddy the Splash Master can get away with calling themselves Catholic is because the American cardinals, arch bishops, bishops and priests allow it. They sin.
Melvin| 2.14.12 @ 1:37PM
Chef, then what do we do with the Bishops? I'm a Catholic in the making so I have allot of catching up to do with 2000 years of history.
PJ| 2.14.12 @ 4:24PM
Pray for them! They will have alot to answer for more so than we laity.
Chef Schnauzer| 2.15.12 @ 6:03AM
I can tell you what I did, bear with a big brush. After I choose to stop drinking I I realized that I was fighting for the existence of my eternal soul. As magnificent as most religious are in the Church I basically interview them. Their job was to assist me in standing before God, alone, at death using Christ and his Church as the lesson book. Yes there are other important things but nuts and bolts that's the bottom line. The Roman Catholic clergy automatically get my respect - they have to work at losing it. It is my understanding that Rome has made headway in replacing what needs replacing. It took decades to pervert the seminaries it will take decades to bleach the filth out.
Chris| 2.14.12 @ 1:24PM
Great Article!
Now what would the Islam do if it were "Mandated" by Obama's HHS that they "Shall" have a Heart Valve from a Pig/Hog placed in Substitution of their own, in open heart surgery? Or an entire Pig Heart for that matter?
It is my belief and contention that Obama is intentionally aiding the Muslims against ALL CHRISTIANS in their "War" against same, by attempting to reduce our Christian population through "Fiat"Regulation[s] as well as his intentional assault on the 2nd Amendment via the Fast & Furious Scandal and other Unconstitutional FIAT Regulation[s] by ATF&E.
Without the 2nd Amendment the 1st Amendment wouldn't exist!
Remenber that Material Fact Always!
If this Nation in fact crashes, the sellout [M]arist [S]tatist [M]edia Hosts will be the first ones crying for "protections" from the American masses Armed to the teeth for their permanent extermination. And they'd deserve it too.
Lock & load!
Revenge, Sweet Lasting Revenge. Beware MSNBC et. al.
Another thing that is factual certainty, Obama et.al. will have to look over their shoulders for the rest of their lives. because "Bada Bing" will always be in the mindseye of some Idiot.
Look at Gabby Giffords if you don't think it couldn't happen as well as JFK/RFK.
This article also proves hands down that the Marxists/Socialist/Communist come back to eat their own as they ALWAYS DO, particularly when it come to anything "Jesus".
The congragations of these denominations and all denominations should be outraged, and fight them AND Obama in the name of "The Father, Son, and Holly Spirit" Amen!
"Onward Christian Soldiers"!!
While at the same time Obama can suck an egg, because I WILL NOT COMPLY WITH ANY OF IT.
HE CAN GO SCREW HIMSELF! Because I too will go to jail. Period!
danshanteal| 2.14.12 @ 2:01PM
FANTASTIC. PUTS THE CC AND UCC TO SHAME. THE CC FINALLY HAS IT BUT, ALAS, YOUR OWN CHURCH HASN'T. YOUR ARTICLE SHOULD BE READ FROM THE PULPITS OF BOTH CHURCHES. MAYBE EVEN POSTED ON THE DOORS ALA MARTIN LUTHER.
yippee K| 2.14.12 @ 2:33PM
Catholic theologians went astray when Aquinas first fell in love with the moslem take on Aristotle and arrogantly imagined that reason could arrive at truth inerrantly, independently of grace and revelation. This outcome has been a very long time coming in America but it was inevitable. Elsewhere Catholicism has either dried up and died or found the light somehow and been reborn. American Catholics won't escape the horns on which they find themselves now by merely applying quick glib gestures of Wojtylian protest. This isn't Poland and the Tea Party is not Solidarity (not yet anyway but give it another 50 years of obama nation). If Catholics in the USA want even merely to return to a slightly older status quo, this struggle will have to be a lot more painful and involve a lot more coming to Jesus on their part.
Oh right, this article is about the UCC. Yeah. Um. What is that anyway? I think "church" is a misnomer.
obadiah| 2.14.12 @ 2:35PM
Mr. Lord has demonstrated that there are two kinds of people claiming to be religious. On one side are holy, sincere, honorable people who support Rush, Lou, and the latest Republican favorite. On the other side are the corrupt, sniveling hypocrites who use religion as a mask to help evil immoral Obama marxist. In Christian parlance, they are called "goats" and "sheep." (Matthew 25:31-46.)
Melvin| 2.14.12 @ 3:25PM
Well brother, you pretty much summed it up in one paragraph.
You know Obdiah, this crap really, really sucks. Why can't Catholics be Catholics, what is so damn wrong about carrying on the tradition? I use the Catholic religion because I identify with it.
Hearing mass in Latin is the most beautiful sound that can be heard, because the listeners knows that this language is ancient and has meaning.
My wife and I went to Midnight mass and to be truthful is sucked big-time. I have experienced mass with a Latin priest and that guy knew what he was doing and wasn't lazy about it.
Even the clergy is lazy. My wife really wanted to get something off her mind and she wanted to confess really, really bad. You know what the priest said. "I don't have time, come back." He heard only one confession and my wife was the only person that was next." That's like God saying, "Sorry no time for you today." I lost a lot of respect for the Catholic Church that day. I didn't lose the faith, but saw first hand the failings of the Church.
I don't mean to take a dump ex on ya, but I stared at your post for a long time digesting it, and it just got me worked up, because everything you described brought back memories.
My wife keeps after me to get baptized or I'll burn. I always remark to her, "Maybe the Parish Priest won't have time for me." She just rolls her eyes and gives me the wifey death ray look.
This Country is dying on the vine and we as a Country are wrapped up with this junk.
PJ| 2.14.12 @ 4:31PM
You become a Catholic because you believe it is the 1 true Church that Christ started & you believe the doctrines & dogmas. Period! People are sinners & that includes priests & bishops, more so.
ds80| 2.15.12 @ 1:25PM
It's the work of grace, and submission of one's will, that allows professing the Catholic faith.
RCV| 2.14.12 @ 2:43PM
Where's Margie?
Monty's Python| 2.14.12 @ 3:41PM
She is now a prisoner of the Spanish Inquistion!!!
Bob Grant| 2.14.12 @ 5:31PM
She didn't expect it. Nooobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!
albert constantine jr| 2.14.12 @ 6:13PM
Our main element is fear and surprise, uh, our two main elements are fear and surprise.
PJ| 2.14.12 @ 4:32PM
I was also wondering that. I am wondering if she is experiencing a crisis.
1ConservativeUSA| 2.14.12 @ 4:08PM
Well done, Mr. Lord.
Mrs. Vito| 2.14.12 @ 7:50PM
Mr. Lord, thank you for a brilliant and relevant article. Unfortunately, my delight turns to disgust at the caliber of bloggers at AmSpec. Its like watching 'One Flew over the Cuckoos' Nest' over and over again.
No one can stay on the subject of the article. Everything erupts into these looney personal attacks, and then the trolls take over.
I'll stick with the WSJ, where the rational adults blog.
Walter C Ward| 2.14.12 @ 8:07PM
The effect of the conclusion in this article as it relates to religious liberty is faulty. No no one, UCC nor Obama is attacking the Roman Catholic Church. The church's desire to become entangled in politics to help enforce its doctrines cannot dictate to non-catholics. As stated, their right to religion is not attacked. However anyone who ignores the statement's clear pronouncement can doubt it. The compromise does not attack the religion, it supplies those who want contraception with the means to have it. If the church can't convince the members to obey its teachings it is not up to others to enforce doctrine for it. That's freedom.
Bob Grant| 2.14.12 @ 8:39PM
"If the church can't convince the members to obey its teachings"...
Part of convincing it's members to obey it's teachings is to have integrity regarding the kind of health care it chooses to provide to employees who choose to work for those Catholic entities.
The only issue regarding freedom is the governments encroachment on it. Not the Catholic Church.
POST American| 2.14.12 @ 10:58PM
----From Bush/Clinton, to
'BAR-Rockwefeller' Obama
--lock down is underway.
------Globalism and FINAL EUGENICS
are unfolding.
This BEYOND undeniable.
ALEX JONES ---is--- the PRESS.
ALAN WATT ---is---- the CONSCIENCE.
-----------HUAC/ NUREMBERG is coming.
This is BEYOND undeniable ---too.
jstwndring| 2.15.12 @ 4:05AM
"Now, the target is the Catholic Church itself, and suddenly, the bishops get the game."
No they do not. If Obama were to relent and give them their little exemption on this, I guarantee you they would fall right back in line in support of Obamacare, good little democrat lemmings that they are. Their concern is for themselves. We're just seeing a temper tantrum thrown by self-centered people whose only concern is for their own organization.
BullPasture | 2.15.12 @ 11:11AM
Yes the Catholic Bishops got it wrong with ObamaCare and many other things. It is time to get it right and there will be hell to pay.
http://bullpasturechronicles.b.....o-pay.html
Nixonfan| 2.15.12 @ 4:25PM
The USCCB is a very thin reed on which to lean in the defense of constitutional liberty. Like all mainstream Christian religions (aside from LDS) it has been co-opted by the liberal left. The church of Spellman and Sheen is now the church of Sandinistas and socialism.
Nick| 2.15.12 @ 4:51PM
Nixonfan,
You couldn't be more wrong.
But, that's what I would expect from a fan of the man who gave us affirmative action, the EPA, OSHA, and Associate Justices Blackmun and Powell.
RCV| 2.15.12 @ 7:30PM
Amen. I can still see John Paul II personally scolding, with finger pointed to face, those priests who sold their souls to the Sandinistas during his Latin American tour. More than virtually any other religious institution, the Catholic Church has been unbending and steadfast in its support for the worth and dignity of human life, which is why I respect it so even when I disagree with it.
POST American| 2.15.12 @ 11:32PM
--------------------FINAL WORD------------------------
-------------------FINAL WARNING--------------------
CFR front Bushes and Clintons ---and NOW
'--BAH ---BAH ----BAH---ROCKefeller Obama'
Enough DIS---traction!
----------TIME TO GO FOR THE SOURCE-----------
-----------------BAH ---BAH ----BAH -------------------
--------------------ROCKEFELLER----------------------
-------------------GLOW--BALL---ism-------------------
----------------USURY and EUGENICS----------------
Marco2| 2.16.12 @ 12:10AM
This is good, as far as it goes, but where is the tub-thumping for his self-annoited holiness, the King of the Moon, would-be savior of Christianity in all its approved forms? You missed a big chance to boost your bud here. Long live King Newt!
Marc Jeric| 2.16.12 @ 1:26PM
President Obama issued a “diktat” – just like any Secretary General of a Communist Party – which commands every employer to offer “free” services of anti-contraception devices, sterilization, and abortifacients in the employer-offered health care insurance. Catholic and evangelical hospitals and clinics protested vigorously – and then he changed his orders and commanded that all health insurance companies must include such “free” services to all women without co-pay. He really is convinced that we are all idiots; perhaps after 3 generations of nincompoops have gone through the mis-education by our teachers unions he is not all that wrong. So every employer must buy what is offered regardless of any religious objection – and that is a “free” service with no co-pay! In other words the cost is hidden in the overall health care insurance premiums – which of course will be increased to cover those hidden costs. Eventually that cost increase will not matter at all – all those health insurance companies are destined to be nationalized anyway and replaced by the government health agency. Obama’s philosophy here is based on the opinion that pregnancy is a mortal desease, like tuberculosis or influenza or black plague that must be fought against by any means necessary.
mhjhnsn| 2.16.12 @ 4:44PM
Well, of course when you consort with statists you will eventually get stemrolled, I cannot understand how the bishops can be even the slightest bit surpirsed--just look at the whole "Stupak Amednment" thing in the late staeges of the ObamaCare legislation, and the way he and his "allies" got rolled. There was never teh slightest doubt where this was headed and the only prson who could be fooled was one who wanted to be fooled. I have no sympathy.
And as for Bernardin, I am in Chicago and watched as he and Egan turned much of the Church here into a far-left instrument to be played by others. Again, how can anyone be surprised.
And the leadership of UCC? Surely YOU are not surprised, Mr. Lord, that they would put the progressive agenda ahead of all else. It's not like they've ever tried to hide it.
Mad Hatter| 2.16.12 @ 6:31PM
The United Church that was Pilgrim’s Pride,
Just pilgrimaged to the other side.
Won’t listen to Lord,
Till their ox gets gored,
And they get a bum’s Rush they can’t abide!
You need to say only things that are PC, see?
So We Might See bans coming from the FCC!
Don’t turn your set’s knobs,
Just fire Rush and Dobbs!
That’s Heavenly Berth Control from UCC!
Mad Hatter| 2.16.12 @ 6:32PM
Over First Amendment rights, shall we gloss?
Lord almost speechless about the grave loss,
“Belt out to Free Speech a hymn? Bah!
Let’s put our souls into Limbaugh!”
Said the Bishops in their double-cross.
On media matters, each Bishop was a pill,
With a Rush to Judgment against speech too shrill.
Now they’re fearing the worst,
So they make Amends First,
Yet their contraceptive costs may be borne still!
PsychoDad| 2.16.12 @ 9:01PM
Sorry pal, but the UCC has been almost as a big a leftist shil as the Unitarians and the US Catholic Bishops since its inception. And you are a willing part of it. I would say it's time for you to move on.
Mary| 2.16.12 @ 9:42PM
http://www.vdare.com/articles/the-new-blacklist
Swadetex| 2.21.12 @ 5:33PM
So, my quesstion to you Mr. Lord is, "Are you still a member of the UCC?" I left the Disciples of Christ church many years ago because it was no longer the church of freedom.These "mainstream" denominations are dying because they fail to live up to the principles upon which they were founded, much less the Bible itself.
Tenn Slim| 2.22.12 @ 10:09AM
Rush, Lou, Sean, O'Rielly, Neopalitano, Coulter, and others of like ilk have and are being targetted.
Of all the lot, only Rush seems likely to survive. You can see it in thier eyes. Soros' money speaks volumes, across the CEO Board rooms.
This site, and multiple others across the NET Will be subject to the final blows of the Regime. We all understand this, as it is patently obvious.
As teh Time Line for US Socialism progresses, down thru 2012 and on into the rest of the decade, we will see fullfillment of the Chaldean Hand writing on the Oval office wall. We have been weighed and found wanting.
SURVIVE>
Semper FI
Nottellin1| 2.22.12 @ 12:23PM
Here is my homage to Martin Niemoller…written last week
Here is a new version of Martin Niemoller piece 'When they came for the trade unionists..
When the government told us there would be a mandate to buy health insurance, I didn’t care because I mine health insurance is employer assisted.
When the government told us that pregnancy was a disease that required free preventive care, I didn’t care because I cannot become pregnant.
When the government told me health plans had to include free preventive care including contraceptives, I didn’t care because I don’t use them.
When the government told us that our churches had to pay for contraceptives, then the insurance companies had to provide for free, I started to care because we all know that nothing an insurance company does is ‘free’.
When the government told us we needed to eat healthy food, I didn’t care until they started replacing the lunches I had packed for my child and fining me for what I chose for my child to eat.
When the government closed down my church because it didn’t like my religion, took my gun so that I could not defend myself, and threw me in jail for speaking out against them.
I wished I’d cared when the government mandated that we had to buy health insurance.