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The Current Crisis

The Delousing of a Movement

By from the April 2012 issue

This health hazard and social menace is what the Left regards as America’s next great political cause?

WASHINGTON — As the tents were coming down at McPherson Square, the dead rats and mice being retrieved, the urine and feces and filthy bedding disposed of by District of Columbia employees dressed in hazardous-materials suits like their contemporaries at Fukushima, I thought of the left-wing press. You see, I read the left-wing press. Not the urban throwaway rags, but I read the Nation, the Progressive, the American Prospect, and more — I read them all. They have been raving for months about the exciting prospect of a great wave of reform coming out of the Occupiers’ Movement. It was here to stay, and for a while silly old me took them seriously.

Not the “Masturbate for Peace” movement, which made its rude appearance in Madison, Wisconsin, nor the “Urinate and Defecate Against World Hunger” crowd, who occasionally made headlines in Manhattan. Rather, I mean the-out-of-work Ph.D.s in Romance Languages or the mild mannered, middle-class schoolteachers, who the left-wing press kept coming across midst the delusional rabble. The left-wing journalists interviewed them. To read their reports one would think that this Occupy Movement really was sweeping America, rather than on its last legs and being shut down. Their end was coming for very good reasons, I might add. The Occupy Movement was a health hazard, occasionally a serious crime scene — rape, robbery, and mayhem — and in most places throughout the country it was in contravention of simple laws against vagrancy.

Illustrious names from journalism’s past — even the New York Review of Books — were showing themselves to be utterly out of touch with the way things are in America today with budgets so out of balance and economic growth so slight. Even President Barack Obama and other eminentoes from the Democratic Party sided with the Occupiers long after the Occupiers had discredited themselves. Now for the most part the Occupiers are no more. Yet the left-wing press raves on, and I suppose the mainstream media is complicit. This movement was more degenerate than they reported.

In the Progressive someone by the name of Naomi Klein attests, “I’ve never seen anything like this in my life. Every day, new occupations [sic] are growing, not just in this country. People are so excited to have a new tent in which to meet, and the possibility of it expanding limitlessly. Political courage is contagious.” So, apparently, is hysteria.

Some of it was very funny? Did former Senator George McGovern make an appearance at Zuccotti Park? The New York Review of Books reports, “A bedraggled man who had arrived that day from Hawaii announced his candidacy for president and asked for the movement’s blessing.” I did not know George was in Hawaii. Yet some of it demonstrated just how dismissive of the truth the American left really is. There was this from the Nation in January, “The Occupation encampments that enlivened approximately 1,400 cities this fall provided a vivid template for the 99 percent’s growing sense of unity. Here were thousands of people — we may never know the exact numbers — from all walks of life, living outdoors in the streets and parks…. The 99 percent, which might have seemed to be a purely aspirational category just a few month ago, began to will itself into existence.” Ninety-nine percent? Does that include me? Does it include the 40 percent of the country that usually polls conservative, and the almost equally large percentage that polls independent? Who is deluding whom, and remember the entire left-wing press bought into this garbagespiel, most probably along with much of the major media.

I have been saying for some time that Liberalism is dead. I shall even be coming out with a book on the subject in a couple of months. That the hitherto respectable magazines of the left would push such nonsense is to be included in my diagnosis. There was a day when the Liberals would argue according to some standards of objectivity. They would not push a line that was absolute flapdoodle. Yet Liberalism is dead. The Occupation hysteria adopted by every single journal on the left is but another proof of it. Those who read the left-wing press ought to demand their money back. They could have been killed at McPherson Square or Zuccotti Park, or at least have been robbed or raped. 

About the Author

R. Emmett Tyrrell, Jr. is the founder and editor in chief of The American Spectator. He is the author of The Death of Liberalism, published by Thomas Nelson Inc. His previous books include the New York Times bestseller Boy Clinton: the Political Biography; The Impeachment of William Jefferson Clinton; The Liberal Crack-Up; The Conservative Crack-Up; Public Nuisances; The Future that Doesn’t Work: Social Democracy’s Failure in Britain; Madame Hillary: The Dark Road to the White House; The Clinton Crack-Up; and After the Hangover: The Conservatives’ Road to Recovery.

Letter to the Editor View all comments (344) |

Kenny| 2.9.12 @ 6:56AM

Now imagine the delousing that has to be done in the dorms of places like NYU at the end of each spring semester.

Jack in Wi.| 2.9.12 @ 7:25AM

Young people in theis country have been badly educated by government union bureaucrats. The Banksters have made themselves hated by their corrupt actions. The Republicans have nothing to offer in solutions to the problems of the country. Except for Ron Paul, the party is bankrupt of ideas and priciples to get us out of this mess. Obama should be beaten in a cakewalk, but instead is the favorite against a splintered party. The young are sick of wars, and finacial collapse. That is all the Republican elites are offering them. The young want a future not, more bailouts, for the fatcats and Israel.

wookie| 2.9.12 @ 10:30AM

The republicans offer no alternative? You are obviously at the core of this article - those who are so ignorant as to believe that the Occupy movement has significance. You need to access a much larger pool of information - or desist from voting.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 10:47AM

Desist from voting?- another champion for freedom!

Wade Smith| 2.9.12 @ 1:40PM

When people vote that are Ignorant of the issues; then the country is weakened.

TR| 2.9.12 @ 4:36PM

Wookie's comment was a request, not an enforced government demand. Further proof of your ignorance. His point is accurate.

Soljerblue| 2.13.12 @ 12:40PM

well, you can vote on American Idol, or DWTS. That's safe enough, I suppose.

Colin in CA| 2.9.12 @ 1:09PM

What is the republican alternative, Wookie? Jack expressed the problem quite succinctly and yet you call him ignorant without countering an opinion in the slightest. The fact is Jack's right. I'm not a fan of Paul's but at least he does have some different ideas besides tax cuts for the rich, gutting of social programs, increasing military spending, deregulation, etc. So please, enlighten all of us, what is it that the republicans are offering that is so great?

runningdeer| 2.9.12 @ 2:24PM

Continuation of the Freedoms that we have under the Constitution of the United States. As opposed to this current administration that is doing it's best to abolish those freedoms as quickly as they might .)
An end to this monstrosity called Obamacare, that will suck the life and funds out of this country's best health care status. ( At least NOW the Republicans will finally put forth an alternative that will be right for all Americans and that won't overthrow more of Americas economic security.
A real future for our children . Not under it's present "keeper" in chief. ( His own words. ( he is our keeper. ( Not mine brother!

Paul| 2.10.12 @ 2:16AM

Magical. Its like the Bush administration and it's coterie of treasonous neocon thieves, enablers, and swindlers never existed with you people. Obama's Presidency just came out of nowhere? You all still carry on like idiots with this Left vs Right bitchslapping, all oblivious to the fact that the corruption of your country is now so entrenched through both sides of the system that any kind of meaningful change is impossible without some sort of civil insurrection. When that does happen I'm sure the result will be East and West America (maybe with a Israeli-style separation barrier) so you can all sit in your preferred America and continue to listen to and be told what you want to hear, if indeed you can hear with your heads buried so deep in your fat arses.

Pa(ul)rasite Resurrected ?| 2.11.12 @ 2:40PM

There once was a parasite with the name of an apostle

Whose idiocy was destoyed in an American Spectator epistle

Named appropriately "They're All In This Together" referring to those who are nothing if not sycophant

Much like the the vermin of the Occupy Wall Street crowd univerally known as the ignorant

This Paul in all his glory can be found in the archives September 2, 2011 for every comment notable

By the typical liberal parasitic idiot spewing unintelligent and dishonest nothing but the pathetic and the despicable

Steve Hansmann| 2.20.12 @ 5:55AM

The above individual, commenting, I think that's what it's supposed to be, obviously was conceived when his mother's colostomy bag leaked. What is wrong with you? I'm an atheist, far left-wing, small farmer hospice nurse with six kids. I can outfight, outshoot, and trust me, please your wife better than you can. Where do you possibly get off calling liberals the foul and unwarranted names that you do? Although I do gain some solace in the fact that the right will, eventually, totally fail in this country. Gays will have full rights, including marriage, single-payer health insurance will be in place, abortion will remain legal, and christian dominionists will be in work camps and prisons where they belong. Enjoy.

Parasitic Infestation Unabated| 2.21.12 @ 3:00PM

As a typical liberal parasitic idiot, who just spewed the above unintelligent and dishonest pathetic commentary, as pathetic as it is despicable, your intention to refute with commentary the claim liberals are typically parasitic idiots spewing unintelligent and dishonest pathetic and despicable comments has served only to reinforce the claim liberals are typically parasitic idiots spewing unintelligent and dishonest pathetic and despicable comments, as well as to reinforce the critical immediate necessity for the delousing of this nation of typical liberal parasitic idiots spewing unintelligent and dishonest commentary, commentary as despicable as it is pathetic, typically.

Stammon| 2.9.12 @ 2:35PM

That's a good Presidential platform;
Tax cuts for the rich:
The libs are down to $100K so I guess I am in that category.
Gutting of social programs:
You get what you pay for, and I refuse to buy more poor people.
Increasing military spending:
Now that is one sure proven way to spend government money to create jobs.
Deregulation:
You mean like the Obamaniacs raising energy prices through the EPA's nonsense science?

All in all I like your "great" suggestions.

Lorie| 2.11.12 @ 11:22AM

Gutting of social programs? Clearly, you are a liberal. Conservatives believe that the federal government should not be in the business of redistributing wealth to pay for federal social programs. All such programs should exist strictly on the state level and below, per our constitution. Also, if you think Ron Paul is in favor of federal social programs, you are extremely misinformed. The constitution provides that one of the main jobs of the federal government is to provide for and maintain a national military. So it is totally proper for it to keep military spending at an adequate level. It is not either/or regarding deregulation. Some things should be regulated, some things not; and the matter of degree is debatable. But overregulation is the rule of the day and has strangled commerce in this nation. As for tax cuts for the rich, again you are a liberal. Only liberals believe the fairytale that taxing the rich will solve our financial woes. No, it won't.

Soljerblue| 2.13.12 @ 12:42PM

political and economic sanity -- defined as getting through to you that your bubble is bursting, and we're sick of picking up your tab.

mike daniels| 2.9.12 @ 12:09PM

your obsession with Israel is amazing. Lay off the cheese and brandy and remember no matter how the Packers play they do it in front of morons like you. I bet you're fat also

Paul| 2.10.12 @ 2:17AM

And your ignorance of Israel's criminality is typical of the brainwashed, stupid American.

Lorie| 2.11.12 @ 11:27AM

So, Paul, you are not an American? If you are not, what is your point in commenting herein? The brainwashed progressives of this world side with lying terrorists against our ally Israel. Do some research. Examine the culture of those terrorists in the Middle East. They cut off people's heads and other body parts routinely, including their women. They force their women to drape their entire bodies in yards of fabric, and treat them like cattle. Are these the people you defend against the modern democracy Israel?

Soljerblue| 2.13.12 @ 12:43PM

define criminality, and then give us some examples of that so-called 'criminality' that don't reveal your anti-Semitism.

BillyBob117| 2.9.12 @ 1:15PM

You are one desperae, pathetic, cry baby---typical of today's young people who want everything free----time for you to grow up

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 2:29PM

and yo are just plain stupid - close your mouth when you breathe

Lorie| 2.11.12 @ 11:28AM

Sorry, johnny, but you prove Billy's point with your statement.

Occam's Tool| 2.9.12 @ 9:55PM

Well, Ron Paul likes the Occupy folks, because he loves degenerates and rapists, of course---and, of course, addicts.

As Clint pointed out, he counted on their votes in Iowa. Hmmm, still finished turd.

Usa proud.| 2.10.12 @ 2:44AM

Occams , you make very good points. Anarchists love ron paul because he believes a person should be free to do anything even if it causes harm or breaks the law.

Seek| 2.13.12 @ 7:20PM

Ron Paul, by the way, has openly endorsed the protestors.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 8:04AM

I hope you aren't using NYU as an example of the left - pretty much exclusively children of the wealthy

Brubaker| 2.9.12 @ 9:05AM

Yes, wealthy liberals.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 9:33AM

That makes no sense - you are a cloud brain

C. S. P. Schofield| 2.9.12 @ 10:04AM

America's Left is a product of wealth and privilege. It exists less to redress actual wrongs in American society than to highlight its own moral and cultural superiority to the Middle Class Peasants of the Right. Despite all the talk about the 1% and the 99%, it is the Left that garners support from the super-rich and the Right that garners support from the grass roots.

Consequently the Left is well represented to all institutions of Higher Learning that have traditionally been day-care for the children of Wealth. Harvard. Yale. Princeton. And NYU.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 10:25AM

Can you give me a confirmed example of a specific incident in which a wealthy NYU student highlighted their superiority to the middle class? I doubt it - you are just parroting. Parrots make awful pundits

Mondo Bondage| 2.9.12 @ 10:32AM

President Obama walks into a bar with a parrot on his shoulder.

The bartender says, "Can he talk?"

The parrot says, "Not without the teleprompter."

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 10:46AM

That's not an answer - and you have just parroted something yourself - pretty funny if it wasn't so weak

Jay Leno| 2.9.12 @ 10:54AM

It's half time in America. We're down 13 trillion and the Chinese have the ball.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 10:55AM

You can blame Clinton and Bush for that one...

Newton Willard| 2.9.12 @ 11:45AM

Wasn't Clinton was a Democrat? How could he be to blame?

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 2:30PM

Clinton a Democrat - that's a funny one

lynn| 2.9.12 @ 12:58PM

Democrats controlled the House the 2nd half of Bush's presidency. Liberalism is a mental disorder....zero common sense. The government has NO product. They must take from someone in order to give to someone else. That's why liberalism is failing in Greece, Spain, France, Portugal, etc. ....and why Canada is veering to the right. Socialism/Liberalism/Marxism has been proven a failure time and time again. If the Government would get the hell out of the way and loosen regulations on business, businesses would hire more people, therefore creating more tax payers, therefore putting more money in the government coffers....instead of the government stealing from the people they are elected to serve. Save America, Vote Conservative!

adam| 2.9.12 @ 3:20PM

Whoope, somebody didn't get a copy of the chart showing bo's contribution to the debt equaling more than all the other presidents combined.

Haven't stopped by A,S, for awhile. Did they lose their moderators? The tone of the conversation in definitely at junior high level.

Occam's Tool| 2.9.12 @ 9:56PM

I like to think of us as third graders, myself.

Tim the Enchanter| 2.9.12 @ 4:35PM

President Obama walks into a bar with a parrot on his shoulder.
The bartender says, "Hey that's pretty cool! Where'd you get him?
The parrot says, "Kenya! They're all over the place!"

Strange O But True O| 2.11.12 @ 3:01PM

Obama walks into a bar with a parrot on his shoulder.

The bartender says, "That is the nastiest most disgusting pile of shit I've ever seen."

The parrot says, "It's the liberals' idea of an ideal liberal."

C. S. P. Schofield| 2.9.12 @ 11:14AM

Turn it around. Can you site an instance of an NYU student at a protest who was NOT highlighting his supposed Moral Superiority?

This tendency of the Wealthy towards Radical Chic is a well documented aspect of American life over the last several decades. Read Tom Wolfe on the subject for general background.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 11:23AM

I'll be happy to as soon as you provide a specific example, as i asked for- play fair or don't play at all

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 11:43AM

but of course you don't have one - because you are a roboparrot who doesn't think statements need to be backed up with fact - thanks for playing, but you lose...

Lorie| 2.11.12 @ 11:30AM

johnny, quit while you can. You are losing this argument big time.

john liming | 2.9.12 @ 12:52PM

Typical Right Wing inversion and psycho-babble!

soulice| 2.9.12 @ 7:00PM

@liming. Typical left wing response when you have nothing of substance to respond with. Share the wealth ideas fail when there is no one left to provide the money.

old white guy| 2.9.12 @ 2:38PM

the six richest senators are democrats.

BillyBob117| 2.9.12 @ 1:18PM

Hey little johnny---I know of three people who were born and raised in the city. All have said that NYU is a haven for liberals. Sorry johnny, time for you to face the truth.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 2:31PM

All have said - that's proof there , mr mouth breather - back in yer cave

Stammon| 2.9.12 @ 2:47PM

I attended a NYC Liberal Arts College 35 years ago, and I know people today who learn and teach at NYU. It's not just a "hot-bed" of liberalism, but a hot house of the closed liberal mindset that thinks like you argue. No facts, all puff and self-rightiousness. Go soak your head.

heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere's johnny!| 2.9.12 @ 2:42PM

Liberalism is dead.

Liberalism is dead because liberals unintelligently and dishonestly emotionally prattle devoid of reason and experience.

Reason and experience is the intellectually honest wisdom of reality derived with logical, rational, analytical justification, based on awareness of accumulated knowledge understood through the observations of life and the world, used to make persuasive judgements with good cause.

Emotional prattle is the intellectually dishonest meaningless nonsense lacking reality derived with illogical, irrational, unanalytical explanation, based on the ignorance of arbitrary feelings understood through the observations of life and the world, used to make foolish judgements with poor effect.

Judgements made by johnny, in this thread, on 2/9/12:

"I'm not a liberal" (10:45AM)

"That makes no sense - you are a cloud brain." (9:33AM)

"You can blame Clinton and Bush for that one..." (10:55AM)

"I'd rather by a prick than a mouth-breathing parrot like you, you nasty little loser." (11:24AM)

"perhaps a laxative will ease that blockage for you - or a cliff..." (11:32AM)

"you sound like a bitter drunk - perhaps toning down the nastiness that underlies the article would bring more people to your side" (8:06AM)

"seems obsessed by homosexuality - there is a term for that..." (10:37AM)

"You're obsessed with me - what an odd thing. How's that closet coming along, little racist" (10:44AM)

"Perhaps you need to study what this nation was founded on and stop parroting Fox news all day" (11:42AM)

"didn't get enough hugs from daddy and now lashes out at everyone else - ...should be jailed for everyone's safety." (10:35AM)

"Nasty wittle wacist can't think, so he makes up things." (10:48AM)

"can't stand other's opinions. He wants to oppress them because he feels threatened. Sounds like Soviet Russia to me." (10:51AM)

"You clearly can't think for yourself, or you would have expressed something original - go get a job, you mooching leach" (11:25AM)

"I can assure you I'm quite more occupied than them... very classy...Hope your neighbors...don't live downwind from you" (11:29AM)

"I'm sure everyone in the city would be relieved to not have freedom-hating fascists visiting." (10:49AM)

"It's like reading a swarm of angry bees - post some subtitles please" (11:44AM)

"You have no facts to back up your empty rant" (9:52AM)

"you are clearly a sick man and need some therapy - please go get some, particularly if you have a family that needs you to be sane. Homelessness is clearly a Bush product - get some facts or shut up." (10:28AM)

"idiots like you will any your parroted "opinions" will be left in the dust when you are no longer need by those who use your thick brain." (10:29AM)

"utopian dreams like being paid fairly for work - ...You are a lapdog to your master, ... A freedom hater and an unpatriotic excuse for a human" (11:05AM)

"you and your nasty little racist commentaries could disappear tomorrow, and nobody would notice - what a self-important little thug you are - I bet you are a little fat 5 foot 2 guy who would blow away at the first sight of any real challenge in the real world - stop spending every day of your life on comment pages and get out once in a while - or are you too cowardly to do that, little man?" (11:35AM)

"I think you are quite comfortable masturbating in your obsession closet little..." (11:42AM)

"and again - none at all - all talk - no backup with facts - typical fox parrot" (11:47AM)

"FWIW, I'm not even remotely liberal, but grossly misinformed people like you undermine the freedom I want for this country." (10:23AM)

Liberalism is dead because liberals unintelligently and dishonestly emotionally prattle devoid of reason and experience.

Stammon| 2.9.12 @ 2:50PM

Excellent.

MOdawg | 2.9.12 @ 3:47PM

Well said; you nailed it! Typical progressives, who have no logical answers so they resort to shifting the subject, ignoring the facts, name-calling and accusing others of the very things they do. Thanks for putting him in his proper place! Though, like a moth to the flame, he will persist, as his narcissism demands feeding by disparaging others; which keeps him from actual analysis and facing facts, as you point out.
“Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools talk because they have to say something” ~ Unknown

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere's johnny?| 2.9.12 @ 5:15PM

Aw shucks. It was nothing - really - reason and experience was, as always, at the ready, but not really needed in this instance, which, come to think of it, is virtually every instance of sallying forth against liberal tyrants.

Makes one think liberalism is dead; that with the cause determined, the effects can be the focus, and a century's worth of prattle can be addressed, with reason and experience, which is, of course, at the ready.

Johnny who| 2.9.12 @ 4:46PM

You actually took time to document everything the guy said to bait you? You just gave him everything he wanted - well done. From the looks of it this guy is just one of the people paid by blogs to stir up things to keep it lively. Trolling for dollars I think it's called

carnac theeeeeeeee magnificent| 2.9.12 @ 5:26PM

What Bugs notably pointed out to Daffy:
'Hmm . . . pronoun trouble'

Johnny who| 2.9.12 @ 5:46PM

Not sure what you mean by that

Johnny who| 2.9.12 @ 5:55PM

Ah - i see - "this guy" refers to the guy he's quoting, not the guy who posted above - I'm not the smartest guy on earth with writing

carnac theeeeeeeee magnificent| 2.9.12 @ 7:53PM

Seeking clarification is what the most intelligent on earth do.

It is not 'conservative season'. It is 'liberal season'.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 7:49PM

I wish - if I could get paid, I'd probably go somewhere with a bigger readership

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 7:47PM

Hey big freedom fighter - why not make a list of all the things said the other way, or are too cowardly to let people make up their own mind based on all the facts? How about all the "pricks" "queers" and "idiots" that were written to me - you are nothing. And always will be, thanks for bringing more attention to me...

heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere's johnny!| 2.9.12 @ 8:24PM

Liberalism is dead.

Liberalism is dead because liberals unintelligently and dishonestly emotionally prattle devoid of reason and experience.

Reason and experience is the intellectually honest wisdom of reality derived with logical, rational, and analytical justification, based on the awareness of accumulated knowledge understood through the observations of life and the world, used to make persuasive judgements with good cause.

Emotional prattle is the intellectually dishonest meaningless nonsense lacking reality derived with illogical, irrational, and unanalytical explanation, based on the ignorance of arbitrary feelings understood through the observations of life and the world, used to make foolish judgements with poor effect.

This is demonstrated by johnny, whose judgement after sixty posted comments - at a conservative website - consisting of nothing intellectually honest justified based on accumulated knowledge to good cause, was to make the judgement to post the sixty-first comment with intellectually dishonest meaningless nonsense ignorantly based on his arbitrary feelings to poor effect.

Johnny who| 2.9.12 @ 8:30PM

Not to feed it further, but he was pretty heavily attacked and most of your quotes are in response to some pretty vulgar insults.

carnac theeeeeeeee magnificent| 2.9.12 @ 9:16PM

What is at best the demonstration of a posted comment by a pseudo-conservative based on quasi-reason and experience and is at worst the demonstration of a posted comment by a liberal based on emotional prattle.

Drew| 2.10.12 @ 8:42PM

Like Diogenes looking for an honest man, you'll spend a lifetime looking for an honest modern liberal (actually lefty - they've appropriated a word "liberal" and use it in the opposite sense of its actual meaning to describe their totalitarian selves). They cannot be honest even with themselves because their entire world view is based on lies and illusions. Therefore they cannot defend their leftist world view to an opponent without lying some more including lies of omission or veering into ad hominem. As just one example, look at Johnny's discussion of debt. He goes to Clinton (who wasn't Democrat enough i.e. left enough for him) and Bush and omits Obama's debt that's larger than all previous presidents combined. It's all "Look at the toothpick over here and ignore the Obama redwood over there"...

Seek| 2.13.12 @ 7:23PM

Religious fundamentalism and socialism -- two worldviews resting on delusions of power.

Seekers Seeking Seek's Views| 2.13.12 @ 8:36PM

Seekers seeking Seek's sought insight seek Seek's insight sought on Seek's definition of 'religious fundamentalism', Seek's definition of 'socialism', an example from Seek of a 'delusion of power' of 'religious fundalmentalism', and an example from Seek of a 'delusion of power' of 'socialism'.

Occam's Tool| 2.9.12 @ 10:00PM

Johnny, please describe your political background, please.

Me, I'm an old YAFER who wants to destroy sharia, which is the next totalitarian ideology on the world's stage after Communism. I believe in minimal government size except for defense. I believe in low taxes and low regulations.

I believe that would put me squarely in the Rush Limbaugh camp.

Lorie| 2.11.12 @ 11:33AM

Johnny is either very young, say 18-25 at the most, or an old guy/gal who failed to mature, which is what happens to liberals.

carnac theeeeeeeee magnificent| 2.11.12 @ 8:45PM

Someone in this day and age who is just as likely to be a tenured public university professor from an east coast 'elite' academic institution as a rebellious public high school underclassmen from 'Anywhereville, USA', but is even more likely to be a key white house administration advisor on economic policy.

Seek| 2.13.12 @ 7:23PM

And Todd Palin.

Todd Palin| 2.13.12 @ 8:37PM

But most likely Seek himself.

Rico| 2.9.12 @ 8:05PM

What rock have you been living under? The left is financed pretty much exclusively by people who did nothing to earn the wealth they possess - that and the mandatory dues statutorily confiscated from the wages of union workers.

Johnny who| 2.9.12 @ 8:28PM

Obama's biggest contributor was Goldman Sachs. I'm pretty sure they gave a ton to McCain too, so I'm not quite sure where you are getting that idea from.

Todd S| 2.9.12 @ 10:10PM

The unions dont direct their contributions directly to Obama but hundreds of millions to the Democratic campaign committee which will go to support Obama's reelection. It far exceeds anything he will get from Goldman Sachs. Is that actually news to you or are you just playing dumb?

Vern Crisler| 2.9.12 @ 2:11PM

I'm afraid that RET's support of Romney and tirade against Newt has undermined his value as a leader of conservative thought. Can anyone take him seriously on the subject anymore?

mzk1| 2.9.12 @ 4:33PM

He has to back your candidate to be respected? Romney might perhaps be a flip-flopper, but you can more-or-less know his range; Newt (And Paul) might do anything. Personally I prefer Santorum, but there is no-one who is perfect. What we do know is that none are Obama.

It helps to have asense of historical perspective; do you know that Arlen Specter almost lost once because he hasd against having a health-care plan? The tea party has redefined conservatism; allow some of us to catch up.

Vern Crisler | 2.9.12 @ 9:42PM

Sorry, but I believe it was Buckley and company who defined conservatism. Tea Partiers have rediscovered what has always been there.

dd| 2.9.12 @ 4:51PM

This article contains so many falsehoods, distortions, ad hominem attacks, and smears it would take the NYC sanitation dep't weeks to clean it up. That may be an exaggeration, but not much. The author deserves zero credit for objectivity. Evidently he has made a living so far off of discrediting what he imagines to be various "menaces to society." Let us pause to reflect.

The "health hazard" posed by Occupy Wall St. was about as severe as what one confronts in attending any mass event. I'm thinking a pro football game, or going to the Jersey Shores on a Saturday. Tyrell does his best to stir the reader's sense of prejudice and outrage by putting it alongside the fabled "Masturbate for Peace" movement, as if Occupy protesters had any affiliation. Talk about conjuring up a ghost and setting up a straw man to knock down. We can't trust Tyrell, though.

Move on to the next paragraph and we "learn"-- a hot wind is blowing-- of Occupy's occasionally being a "serious crime scene-- rape, robbery, and mayhem." Really? In whose mind? Baloney. So very funny that the editors of this blog remind us that we should "discuss or thoughtful and relevant comments about this Spectator article. Comments are routinely monitored and will be deleted if profane, bigoted or grossly impolite." Should we then ask that this article be deleted for its profane mentioning of masturbation, and its bigoted outlook on liberals?

It's a thoroughly absurd postulation to suppose for a second-- as Tyrell wants us to believe-- that anybody's safety was seriously threatened by Occupy Wall St. NY. To suppose so would be to accuse Mayor Michael Bloomberg of negligence in his duties. You might as well say "Occupy Times Square" on New Year's Eve was a social menace. Regrettably, Tyrell can only deal in stereotypes, not reality.

Drew| 2.10.12 @ 8:57PM

The "mass event" of over 600,000 tea partiers who went to Washington DC to protest left the capital cleaner than they found it. Contrast and compare with ALL Occupy encampments where damage to various parks etc. was in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. If the Occupiers had spent any time cleaning up after themselves repairing the damage they did to public property, they might have had a shred of credibility. As it is, their lazy slovenly ways demonstrated the difference between those who feel entitled to other people's money and those like the tea party conservatives who are out earning their modest daily bread in the private sector. Conservatives have taken the time to arrange and pay for all required permits. Occupiers can't be bothered with following the regulations their kind in the unionized bureaucracy love to impose on others but not enforce on their fellow mouth breathers. They and they alone feel entitled to break the rules and inconvenience the rest of the public. Another contrasting point: when conservatives take a day to protest, they are losing income. When lefties protest, they are given a paid day off by unions, or wasting the money their parents are paying to keep them in university learning leftist propaganda.

Alan Brooks| 4.1.12 @ 2:08AM

If OWS ruins the GOP convention, it will all be worth it because even if it results in another '68 election (Nixon harnessing Silent Majority against protesters), it will derail your next Dole, McCain fiasco.
Nobody really wants that again.

Appleby| 2.9.12 @ 7:01AM

For a real good laugh, see if you can find a copy of a book called "The Greening of America" which was written in 1970 by a professor (Charles Reich) who was a little too old to be one of TheKids but who desperately wanted to join them and who wrote this hilarious rubbish purporting to explain, among other things, how liberating to the ankles the wearing of bell bottom pants was. I'm serious. He raves about this among other patent nonsense he had observed, or thought he had observed, on the way to trying to decode Woodstock, which was Occupy Land with music (and mud, dirt, filth, rain, starvation, bad drugs and crime).

One thing you can be sure of: when The Kids decide to wallow in filth, there will be envious putative adults to try to "explain" What It All Means. "The Greening of America" was once available in every estate sale and book dump in America; I got mine at the Aspen Book Store (or so the stamp in the front says) for 25 cents. Look it up and enjoy!

W| 2.9.12 @ 7:23AM

It was a big best seller when published in early 70's. Everyone in college was reading it. I believe he was a Yale professor.

old white guy| 2.9.12 @ 2:39PM

seems to me we were heading for an ice age in the seventies.

Pecos Pete| 2.9.12 @ 7:09AM

OWS reminds me of the democrat run U.S. Senate.

Richard H. Davis| 2.9.12 @ 1:42PM

But not to correct spelling, capitalization, or punctuation, apparently.

Timothy L. Pennell| 2.9.12 @ 7:25AM

"Liberalism is Dead"?

I don't understand. You just wrote an Article, clearly announcing that Liberalism is Alive and Well. I understand that it's not your Father's Liberalism. That was "Liberalism for Dummies". This stuff is the Advanced Class Liberalism. It's Liberalism/Progressivism/Fabian Socialism, as it was meant to be.

What we saw at Zuccotti Park, was like a Re-enactment of the French Revolution, with a little 68 Chicago Democratic Convention mixed in, in the hope that the Riots in WATTS might occur. See the looks on their faces. See the Murderous Rage in their eyes. Imagine what they could have accomplished, if only they were more in number?

The Fish Rots, from the Head Down. So, does a Civilization. When I look at Obama, I see Death on him. I imagine what Lenin was like, before the Revolution. Hitler was a mere Corporal, with aspirations of being an Artist. Mao was probably a cute little boy, who dreamed of playing with Pandas. All of them were just like us, until something happened to their Souls.

I know that I mention the same people, time and again, but they bear Repeating. As Bugs Bunny would tell you: "They were somebody's Baby once." Something happened that turned them to The Dark Side.

If you've ever seen The Boys From Brazil, you know that there were Clones of Hitler, created in a Laboratory, and placed with Families that resembled Hitler's Family. Then the situations in Hitler's youth were Re-Created, (Such as the "Suicide" of the Fathers) so as to stimulate whatever it was inside the Original young Hitler, that made him become what he became.

Barack Hussein Obama is "The One we've been waiting for". Not us, of course. THEM. Them in the Streets. Them defecating on Police Cars. Robbing. Raping. Urinating in the Streets. Chanting: "KILL THE COPS".

Look at HIS life. Look at HIS Upbringing. He is the Sum of his Parts. Surrounded by Atheists and Communists and Marxists. His Mother was a MESS. His Muslim?Marxist Father, ran out on him and his Mother (Typical Black Man) and Died DRUNK, in a Kenyan Gutter, after years of chasing whores.

His Grandparents were Communists, and he spent 20 Years in a "Church" of Hate.

Add all of this up, and you get Zuccotti Park. You get a Man who is RELENTLESS in his Quest to Destroy the Catholic Church. To DESTROY Private Enterprise and Private Property. He Preaches the Gospel of the DEVIANTS. Homosexuality, Gay Marriage, Bestiality, Transgenderism, and Gay Adoption. He is Pro-Abortion. Pro-Partial Birth Abortion. Pro-Leaving Babies who survive the Abortionists' Knife, in a Filthy, unlit Storage Room, where they can DIE in the Dark. Cold and Alone.

His life is a Trail of Bread Crumbs leading us back to the Past. Back to the very ROOTS of Liberalism. As always, Past is Prologue. History repeats. The King is Dead. Long live the King.

"Liberalism is Dead"?

I think not.

It's just getting started.

Teaghan| 2.9.12 @ 7:47AM

Both parties have moved left. And IMHO, that is why the Tea Party is seen as extreme. They are only wanting what we had in a party 40 years ago. Repubs are now what the left was then.
The Occupoopers promise to wreak havoc for the next 3 days at CPAC in DC. I hope the metro police are ready to crack some heads.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 9:51AM

Crack some heads doesn't really fall in line with the promotion of freedom does it? You sound like someone who is willing to dishonor the brave efforts of the men who died to fight for freedom of speech. What an unpatriotic thing to do.

Todd S| 2.9.12 @ 10:07AM

Is it freedom of speech to live as a vagrant on public property when there are clear laws against it? You seem to believe the liberal propaganda that these are peaceful protesters which is a lie as the truthful reports of what was really happening in New York and Oakland among other places demonstrated. It was a breeding ground of lawless radicals who hate what this country stands for. They should be removed by force if necessary and if they resist with violence, they should be made to pay the price. If you want to break the law and throw bricks at police, you should have you head cracked.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 10:26AM

Who threw bricks at the police? Plenty of evidence the other way though. parrot

Todd S| 2.9.12 @ 10:43AM

http://www.theblaze.com/storie.....s-at-cops/

You won't hear about it on MSNBC you putrid little parrot. Look at that picture of the burned out hippie claiming to be the 99%, what a pathetic joke! Tell me johnny, what is it that you do? Why are you here today spouting your liberal cliches? By all means say what you please but come clean about it.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 10:45AM

I'm not a liberal, and you clearly can't read. You most likely have a far more burned out brain than that hippie, you hateful little man.

Todd S| 2.9.12 @ 11:07AM

I gave you evidence you little prick. Don't want to answer do you? Why do you support breaking vagrancy and public nuisance laws? Even that pantywaist Bloomberg had to say enough was enough and evicted the clowns and the disgusting mess they had made.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 11:24AM

I'd rather be a prick than a mouth-breathing parrot like you, you nasty little loser

Todd S| 2.9.12 @ 11:29AM

I am the only one that says anything factual and provides evidence yet I am the parrot? You have a job johnny or is your job to troll here today as a liberal ahole?

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 11:32AM

todd - perhaps a laxative will ease that blockage for you - or a cliff...

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 11:32AM

todd - perhaps a laxative will ease that blockage for you - or a cliff...

MM| 2.9.12 @ 11:28AM

Todd S, you are talking to a recent evictee of McPherson -- nothing but time on his hands now.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 11:30AM

MM - wrong person - never heard of it

dd| 2.9.12 @ 4:58PM

Todd, you've already several times violated the guidelines of this website; or doesn't that matter to you? You keep championing the cause of conservatives, but are you really acting like one? Not in my book.

You have your facts wrong. The occupiers were not on PUBLIC park ground, but PRIVATE park ground. If you followed the reporting of FACTS followed the ISSUES and not , you would know that, instead of spewing forth your name calling like a 6th grader.

Johnny who| 2.9.12 @ 5:18PM

Here here - I wonder if the participants on both sides of this debate actually are here to have dialog, or just to get frustrations out - can you imagine Reagan or Thatcher using such language to sell people on conservative values? Carter would have had a second term - time to grow up a little, folks.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 7:50PM

Thatcher is the most hated woman in England - she didn't need foul language to achieve that

Todd S| 2.9.12 @ 8:57PM

So some of them were on private property and that makes it acceptable exactly how? They were breaking the law whether it was on public or someone else's private property. There were many occupy movements and many on public property and all of them breaking the vagrancy law. Anything else you care to say dd?

Drew| 2.10.12 @ 9:03PM

In my city, the occupiers were very definitely on public property, a park they caused over a hundred thousand dollars in damage to churning up the ground into a muddy mess and delaying winter maintenance to the point that the costs will likely rise to repair it. During their weeks' long occupation they deprived the public of their safe use of the park. Not a penny offered by either the occupiers or their union backers toward the needed clean up and repairs. So they're not just occupiers but parasites.

Hillary Kitten | 3.10.12 @ 4:35PM

You gave him the evidence, which he/she then refused to address. Typical of his/her ilk.

Occam's Tool| 2.9.12 @ 10:18PM

Johhny---for left wing idealizing of Stalin, please check out the 1932 Pulitzer prize winning reporting of the NYT Walter Duranty---all a hoax. And just one of many.

john liming | 2.9.12 @ 12:49PM

I think you mean to say, "What a remarkably 'Conservative' thing to say." The tone and temper of the remark that you were commenting on is strictly Right Wing "Christian" in all it's aspects.

BillyBob117| 2.9.12 @ 1:23PM

Those who made the ultimate sacrifice, if alive today, would be mad as hell at the worthless occupiers. You have absolutely no idea of the meaning of freedom of speech---

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 2:32PM

how ironic that you despise protest but cry freedom - you wouldn't have lasted 10 seconds in a war, nasty little fascist

mzk1| 2.9.12 @ 4:40PM

Socially, yes. This is why Santorum's very moderate comments are now characterized as extreme. And why Paul can pretend to be Republican.

But otherwise, it's the opposite. Before the tea party, the allowable range was much further to the left. I believe it was Specter who was once in trouble for not wanting health care legislation. The Republicans were forced to offer part D. This is why it's unfair to loo kso closely into past voting records; the rules have changed.

Robert| 2.9.12 @ 12:43PM

Tomothy...just plain masterful! You need an AS byline!

Liberalism isn't dead, nor will it ever be. Yes, RET is way off! As long as there is a quest for power and dominion over others (and that will be forever), there will be liberals. It is as simple as that.

Timothy L. Pennell| 2.9.12 @ 2:07PM

It's Timothy.

And, thanks.

Robert| 2.9.12 @ 12:43PM

Tomothy...just plain masterful! You need an AS byline!

Liberalism isn't dead, nor will it ever be. Yes, RET is way off! As long as there is a quest for power and dominion over others (and that will be forever), there will be liberals. It is as simple as that.

Timothy L. Pennell| 2.9.12 @ 2:08PM

It's Timothy.

And, thanks.

old white guy| 2.9.12 @ 2:42PM

i wonder why they would chant "kill the cops'. the cops will be coming after conservatives not left wing protesters.

Occam's Tool| 2.9.12 @ 10:01PM

Paul supported the OWS movement, you know.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 8:06AM

I agree with the sentiment of this piece, but you sound like a bitter drunk - perhaps toning down the nastiness that underlies the article would bring more people to your side

Brian Mc| 2.9.12 @ 9:19AM

Why? We need to stop this crazy train and not only that; back it up in full reverse. How would you propose we accomplish this feat? Last I checked, Ronald Reagan has not risen from the grave. And, even if he did, the press would ignore that accomplishment to the point that 60% of those with the right to vote wouldn't even hear of the miracle. We are in dire straits and you want civility? That's what has gotten us here!

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 9:34AM

Ronald Reagan knew exactly how to communicate - he knew how to build support - you clearly just knowhow to excite reaction - one approach is the mark of a professional - yours is the work of a rank amateur

Timothy L. Pennell| 2.9.12 @ 10:12AM

Maybe you should take off your DRESS, johnny?

Or, at least, get rid of your PANTIES.

You sound like a Priss.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 10:37AM

Timothy seems obsessed by homosexuality - there is a term for that...

Timothy L. Pennell| 2.9.12 @ 10:42AM

Not all queers. Just you.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 10:44AM

You're obsessed with me - what an odd thing. How's that closet coming along, little racist timmy?

Paul| 2.10.12 @ 2:20AM

I think he likes you Johnny. And panties, apparently. I hope his wife (and sister?) counts her underwear.

Brian Mc| 2.9.12 @ 10:12AM

Thanks for the clarification. Your insight is beyond my IQ and so, I humbly bow to your superior intellect as it will surely show us the true path; which is to say, the one we are on.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 10:44AM

Thanks for admitting you were wrong.

Brian Mc| 2.9.12 @ 11:39AM

It's the least I can do as I cower. But, I still refuse to drink from the same cup. You go ahead and go-along to get-along. Me, I see where it has gotten us as do others here. We may sound like bitter drunks, but we're getting to our feet and shaking off the hangover...while you continue to feel that this is just a game. We however, see it for what it is, the destruction of our beloved Republic through deception, such as you.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 11:42AM

So you want to oppress opposing opinion? Perhaps you need to study what this nation was founded on and stop parroting Fox news all day

Brian Mc| 2.9.12 @ 11:55AM

Don't watch Fox News and you just don't get it.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 7:51PM

and you don't know how to construct a sentence.

Bill| 2.9.12 @ 8:15AM

The OWS mob was paid by the Democrat Party to create chaos and counterattack the GOP and the Tea Party. It failed because it had nothing to do with capitalism, it was all about hate and antisemitism, and it will remain a dark history of the American populist movement.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 9:54AM

Paid? If they were paid, they'd be in a hotel. If you want someone who actually pays for political action, I suggest looking at the Koch brothers. Unless you don't like the truth or your beliefs are too weak to be scrutinized.

al222| 2.9.12 @ 10:20AM

uh Johnny, they were in fact paid. NY unions gave them a kitty of 500K and some the OWS leaders did in fact stay in a high-end hotel. those are the facts, and you can scrutinize them at your leisure.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 10:27AM

What about the millions the Koch brothers give out - is that OK?

Timothy L. Pennell| 2.9.12 @ 10:33AM

What about the BILLIONS that George Soros gives out, *sshole?

Is that all right?

Is it all right for the JEW who helped the NAZIS, in their attempts at GENOCIDE, against his Fellow Jews, to give out money to Democrats?

And, if it is? Is it okay that Democrats TAKE IT from this NAZI Collaborator?

Tell the Class, johnny. Show them what a POS you really are.

I'm sick of these people!

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 10:35AM

Racist horrible little Timothy - didn't get enough hugs from daddy and now lashes out at everyone else - sad little Timothy should be jailed for everyone's safety.

Timothy L. Pennell| 2.9.12 @ 10:44AM

He wants to JAIL those who dare to SPEAK OUT.

But he's not a liberal.

He sounds like a FASCIST.

Same thing.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 10:48AM

Nasty wittle wacist can't think, so he makes up things. poor little closet timothy

Con Chef (NB) | 2.9.12 @ 1:29PM

Little Johnny Pukes:

"sad little Timothy should be jailed for everyone's safety."

After Writing THIS in Reply to A Post SUggesting NOTHING of the Sort:

"So you want to oppress opposing opinion? Perhaps you need to study what this nation was founded on and stop parroting Fox news all day"

Gee, hypocritical much?

"It is the absolute right of the state to supervise the formation of public opinion."...Goebbels

"The bourgeoisie is many times stronger than we. To give it the weapon of freedom of the press is to ease the enemy's cause, to help the class enemy. We do not desire to end in suicide, so we will not do this."...Lenin

As to your little thought that Timmy should be locked up, well, you sound kinda like this:

"We do not have time to play at 'oppositions' at 'conferences.' We will keep our political opponents... whether open or disguised
as 'nonparty,' in prison."...Lenin

What a good little Occupado you are.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 2:33PM

You are a mouth breather - back in yer cave moron

Con Chef (NB) | 2.9.12 @ 3:05PM

Ah, yes! MORE unparalleled rhetorical brilliance from our very own Occupada. Please, Johnny. Post MORE of your cutting insight for all of us to ridicu... er, SEE.

Mickeybutane| 2.9.12 @ 3:44PM

Johnny get of your Mother and clean your basement - signed, your Father

Occam's Tool| 2.9.12 @ 10:04PM

I fail to see where TLP is a racist; I know he isn't an antisemite, and I like the guy, and he writes well.

Again, Johnny, please define your political leanings. I cannot glean them from your writings. You note no ad hominem here.

dd| 2.9.12 @ 5:09PM

I'm reminded in reading comments like this of the virulent hatred that I saw on a PBS documentary covering the Freedom Train Riders in the early '60's. In the same way, the radical right tried to paint Negroes riding on the buses, their decision to not tolerate riding on separate buses, wait in separate waiting areas, as "social menaces." Meantime, these people were literally beaten with pipes, stomped on, beaten bloody, for trying to gain equality before the law. It is sobering to see this in America in the 1960's and even more so to see what apparently is a complete lack of civility here in the 21st century. Back then, the issue for the South was the "federal government's" decision to send Federal marshals in to keep public order. They despised the Fed. You should definitely see this documentary. You will learn something that may change your perspective. The same fear of "uppity blacks" pervades America today. We need to stop ratcheting up the rhetoric and start getting down to business.

Todd S| 2.9.12 @ 9:03PM

I see you are a liberal troll yourself dd, using the old liberal tactic of race baiting. Question for you, which party did the former KKK wizard Robert Byrd belong to? I guess I am breaking the guidelines for comments here by feeding a troll like you.

Occam's Tool| 2.9.12 @ 10:05PM

DD---yes, you mean the Democrats, of course. Robert Taft was not in favor of segregation, and WAS a supporter of Israel.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 10:34AM

of course al222 has nothing to say about the Koch brothers handing out millions and doing just what he criticized, because of course he didn't know that. What a parrot

Bill| 2.9.12 @ 12:30PM

Anybody can fund anything legal that they want to. That's freedom of expression in America.

Bill| 2.9.12 @ 12:30PM

Anybody can fund anything legal that they want to. That's freedom of expression in America.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 7:52PM

Billionaires paying to get the rights of working class people taken away- not welfare people, working people who deserve a decent wage so they can feed their families and retire with dignity. Big man Bill wants to side with the rich - well done man.

USSAlabama| 2.9.12 @ 10:38AM

If you haven't noticed, trolls never have all of the facts...just the ones they get from lefty blogs and huff...

Ergo, they never know the full story, or half the truth.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 10:40AM

You have provided no facts of your own - so you have added nothing, which would make you the troll, no?

Anthony| 2.9.12 @ 10:47AM

al222, Don't waste your time on little johnny, he is terminally clueless.
In addition to wanting to relive the glory days of the '60s, it was essential to create the symbolism of the encampment, in juxtaposition to the establishment. The joining of the comune and Les Miserables.
You can't do that from fancy hotels, only the leaders of the movement get away with that hypocrisy.
OWS was classic leftist symbolism over substance.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 10:51AM

Anthony can't stand other's opinions. He wants to oppress them because he feels threatened. Sounds like Soviet Russia to me.

Anthony| 2.9.12 @ 11:16AM

Nope, don't want to oppress them, I just don't want to smell them, step in their left over shit, or on their crack needles.
But of course, as evidenced by your sophomoric response to Von Mises Jr., you believe these vermin have a morally superior claim to the city streets then do the citizens that actually pay for them.
Yep, your an OWS er by golly!!

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 11:25AM

You clearly can't think for yourself, or you would have expressed something original - go get a job, you mooching leach

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 11:25AM

You clearly can't think for yourself, or you would have expressed something original - go get a job, you mooching leach

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 11:25AM

You clearly can't think for yourself, or you would have expressed something original - go get a job, you mooching leach

MM| 2.9.12 @ 11:25AM

Of course he is Anthony. Nothing but time on his hands since he was recently driven from McPherson.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 11:29AM

Considering Anthony and Timmy's easily googled trail of daily commentary, I can assure you I'm quite more occupied than them. Timmy boy even left a racist comment on a Daily Mail obituary - very classy Tim! Hope your neighbors in Connecticut don't live downwind from you

Von Mises Jr.| 2.9.12 @ 12:07PM

Thanks Anthony. Perhaps I misread your position and made inaccurate statements the other day. I am just trying to get rid of little rat bastards like johnny, so intelligent people can chat. My apologies if I was rude.

johnny is a collectivist. He, by definition cannot think for himself. He was taught what to think, not how to think. I believe this is why leftist have their women in common. There is no individuality in any of them. I wonder if johnny really knows who his father is?

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 2:34PM

the irony is thicker than you my friend - you all sound just the same, and I'm the one challenging you - idiot much?

Von Mises Jr.| 2.9.12 @ 3:03PM

Your mother wears combat boots. Ha ha, see I told you. Your it!

Anthony| 2.9.12 @ 5:46PM

Von, We did manage to cross signals the other day, it was a bizarre moment, anyway, no harm, no foul. I was no less rude than you, so we're even.
Little johnny, it's time to take a pampers break.

Occam's Tool| 2.9.12 @ 10:10PM

Hey, Anthony, Von, I like you guys, so if I ever sound rude to you, it was directed elsewhere. Hell, the only people I routinely punch are Clint and Jack, anyway, and that's for catharsis--- because they are such assholes.

Once upon a time, I remember that I could ask a question on something I was confused about---say, ethanol (I'm against it now) and get intelligent answers back without invective. I could even get into pleasant arguments with RCV. But Jack and Clint and the other trolls have really pissed on this site, sad to say. Ah well, when Paul's campaign dies, may be they will leave.

Bill| 2.9.12 @ 11:38AM

You want proof.
Obama supported the OWS mobs in his State of the Union address, shamelessly.
White House press secretary Jay Carney vowed to aid the OWS mobs, and endorsed their violent behavior.
The Democrat Party and SEIU acknowledged their involvements with the OWS mobs.
When Obama will be defeated in 2012, everything will be revealed.

Bill| 2.9.12 @ 11:39AM

You want proof.
Obama supported the OWS mobs in his State of the Union address, shamelessly.
White House press secretary Jay Carney vowed to aid the OWS mobs, and endorsed their violent behavior.
The Democrat Party and SEIU acknowledged their involvements with the OWS mobs.
When Obama will be defeated in 2012, everything will be revealed.

BillyBob117| 2.9.12 @ 1:25PM

little johnny, your are one large idiot----you cannot handle the truth----stop reading from the liberal hand book of lies.

Bill| 2.9.12 @ 1:30PM

Johnny is a "big fat liberal crazy liar."

Drew| 2.10.12 @ 9:12PM

Again, Johnny points to the toothpick, the Koch brothers, and wants everyone to ignore along with him the redwood of Soros backing the Democrats and funding literally dozens of false front leftist organizations. Conservative candidates in general get a lot of small donations. Meanwhile the Democrat Party gets 60% of its funding from Jewish liberal sources, mostly the mega-rich, according to Richard Cohen of the WaPo. Johnny is either truly ignorant, or constantly purposely misleading, take your pick. Koch instead of Soros? Bush's debt instead of Obama's?

Von Mises Jr.| 2.9.12 @ 8:15AM

At the heat of the NYC Zucotti Park OWS, my wife and I passed by after visiting the Metropolitan Museum of Art. There were perhaps 150-200 protesters that looked like bums pushing into the sidewalk talking jibberish.
If this is what Obama and the liberals are so excited about, they are very desperate.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 10:49AM

You could always avoid further trips to NY if you don't like it - I'm sure everyone in the city would be relieved to not have freedom-hating fascists visiting.

Von Mises Jr.| 2.9.12 @ 11:43AM

Obama, Schumer, Clinton, Dodd and Frank are just some of the politicians that are up to their eyeballs in "crony capitalism." It proliferates in the Democrat Party.
I would direct you to Von Mises "Socialism" that clearly states that "fascism" is a socialist economic system. That's is why they called it "National Socialism" or "Nazi," johnny!
"Crony Captialism" is the flip side of fascism, johnny. The fascist are the government elites like the forementioned, and your boys Jeffrey Immelt and Warren Buffet are perfect examples of crony capitalist. They take advantage of the political system to thwart competition and gain economic "rents," johnny. And that is not rents like you don't have to pay for your tent in the rat and lice infested "occupy" movement.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 11:44AM

It's like reading a swarm of angry bees - post some subtitles please

Con Chef (NB) | 2.9.12 @ 1:37PM

What's wrong, little Johnny? Are you unable to understand what Von Mises Jr. is trying to convey to you? All you can do is yell, "you're trying to stop my freedom" of what the f**k ever it is your rubes kvetch about, is that what you're saying?

Guess you should've gotten a Good Enough Diploma while you had the chance, huh, sonny?

Von Mises Jr.| 2.9.12 @ 2:06PM

Thanks, Con Chef. Little johnny is either a minimum wage, Soros troll; or he is the loneliest, pathetic SOB liberal I have encountered. And I have seen some flaming ash heaps in the Northeast.

Twenty percent (that's 1 in five, little johnny) of the comments to this article are by little johnny. Little johnny is not even enough of a man to call himself "John." He is sucking at the government teat apparently after his mommy's ran dry.

Con Chef (NB) | 2.9.12 @ 3:07PM

He's free Republican advertising every time he hits the "submit" or "reply" buttons, that's for sure.

USSAlabama| 2.9.12 @ 12:03PM

He doesn't understand you, Von Mises Jr.
Every comment is evidence of a useful idiot. As always, intelligent intercourse is wasted.

Von Mises Jr.| 2.9.12 @ 12:18PM

How you doing, USSAlabama. I am not talking to johnny really. He is uneducable, and not worth my breath.

But he is a useful idiot in that he proves how worthless liberals and liberalism are with each and every one of his moronic utterances.

So others can read my explanation of Mises "Socialism" or johnnys incoherent rants, and dicide if they want their kids to be conservatives or liberals; and what they want their kids to think of them. I know what I can say about my parents; and I know my son, nephews and nieces appreciate my views.

BillyBob117| 2.9.12 @ 2:34PM

Hey little Johnny, so the stinky ows bums ideas of freedom are: rape, stabbing, murder, stealing, taking hard drugs, destroying public and private property, masturbating in public, urinating in public, attacking the police and defecating in public----what great ideas of freedom your smelly heroes have

Von Mises Jr.| 2.9.12 @ 3:07PM

BillyBob, The rape is understandable. They are still so confused with Rousseau's "Social Contract."
The jist of it is "if one will not "BEND" to the "GENERAL WILL;" then they must be ""FORCED" to be "FREE."
You see, if two male OWS hobos high on crack decide they want the groupie chick, democracy rules, dude.

Johnny who| 2.9.12 @ 5:43PM

The rapist in question was a mental case who preyed on the OWS encampment. The victim was a teenager - no matter what you think of her politics, please keep this crime out of it. It is disrespectful to the victim and serves no purpose.

Drew| 2.10.12 @ 9:17PM

Johnny, stop throwing around words you don't understand, like fascist. Obama with his over-regulation of the private sector, basic directorship of the auto industry and working hard to get government mitts on the sixth of the American economy that is health care, while inciting various "brown shirt" groups like the Occupiers is the closest to a fascist that this country has ever seen.

POST American| 2.9.12 @ 8:16AM

------Great Rockefeller SAP OP sideshow!

MEANWHILE,

still waiting for that FIRST article detailing
the catastrophic soft kill op of GMO food
saturating our markets.

Lullabys, Legends and Lies| 2.9.12 @ 8:35AM

If OWS really are the 99%, then I don't know why we're wasting our time with this silly Presidential election at all, because it's going to be a landslide for Obama!! Yeah, right!! I see the OWS cop car poopers as just another nail in the coffin for Obama, they have awoken a vast group of Folks out there, who didn't take note of the Tea Party, Obamacare, or Fast and Furious, or the bailouts, or the various other assaults on American laws and traditions. Now add in his recent attack on the Catholic Church and their First Amendment Rights (silencing Army Chaplains), and another group of uniformed Folks are waking up now too, and I don't think they like what they're seeing. Now just wait for gas prices to reach $5 this summer, and this guy will be lucky if he's even able to win in the obvious Blue States, forget about the battleground States!! Obama is by far, the Worst President in American History!! Jimmy Carter's laughing in Plains Georgia right now!!

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 9:52AM

Gas prices soared under Bush. You have no facts to back up your empty rant

irish19| 2.9.12 @ 10:16AM

Here's a fact for you. The last budget the Republicans passed under Bush had a $160 billion deficit. The current deficit under Obama is $1.6 trillion. That's ten times higher. The dems have refused to let any budget come up even for discussion in the Senate for this entire administration, relying instead on a series of continuing resolutions to fund the gov't. The administration has ignored an injunction against its oil drilling moratorium. The gov't. has refused to prosecute the two Black Panthers from the last election. Need I talk about Fast & Furious?
There's some facts.

Yashmak| 2.9.12 @ 10:17AM

Here's the FACTS.
Under Bush, gas prices DECREASED 9% by the end of his 2nd term, from what they were when he took office.

Under Obama, gas prices have risen by 67% since he took office, and are continuing to rise.

Look it up.

Timothy L. Pennell| 2.9.12 @ 10:25AM

Gas was BELOW $2.00 a Gallon before the Muslim took over.

Hamburger was $1.79 a lb. before Coke Head, Street Radical took over.

We have Record Foreclosures. Record Unemployment (REAL NUMBERS! Not the Bullshit coming out Solis' Lying Ass) Record Bankruptcies. Record Bank Failures. Record Homelessness. Record Number of Americans on Food Stamps. Record Number of Americans living AT or BELOW the Poverty Level. 2011 was the WORST Year in History for the Housing Market. Black unemployment is at 17%. Black Teenage Unemployment is over 50%. We had our Credit rating DOWNGRADED for the first time in our History. He won't allow us to Drill our own Energy Resources. He told the Canadians to Stick the XL Pipeline up their Ass. And he thinks he went to 58 States, in 2008.

That enough FACTS for you, ya fck?

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 10:28AM

Timothy - you are clearly a sick man and need some therapy - please go get some, particularly if you have a family that needs you to be sane. Homelessness is clearly a Bush product - get some facts or shut up.

BillyBob117| 2.9.12 @ 2:36PM

hey little johnny, how does it feel to get into bed with little barry every night----you are indeed an idiot

Occam's Tool| 2.9.12 @ 10:13PM

I'm sorry---but I remember the Bush economy in 2005 before the Dhimmis took control of the House and Senate---and it was damn good.

Homelessness is a Democratic Congress product.

markenoff| 2.9.12 @ 11:18AM

At least Obama is learning Austrian. Unfortunately it's not Austrian economics.

Louis Jenkins| 2.9.12 @ 12:35PM

And don't forget, food stamps up 45% I believe.

"Urinate and Defecate Against World Hunger". Now if you were truly hungry, your output would be way down. The OWs may have had a good notion (giving them the leaway of a doubt if possible), but their priorities and methods, such as "Urinate and Defecate Against World Hunger (this was screwed up)", were all wrong, and as a result, they lost. Get a job you bums.

Solo| 2.9.12 @ 10:39AM

Gas prices have doubled since Obama took office.

"It's not that liberals are ignorant. It's just that so much of what they 'know' simply isn't true".
Ronald Reagan

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 10:41AM

last time I checked 67% isn't double, and since when did the President control a free-market commodity?

Con Chef (NB) | 2.9.12 @ 1:40PM

So then don't bitch about what they were under Bush, idiot. Oh, & a President's policies, enacted WITHOUT Congresssional approval, via the EPA, DOI, DOE & others, DO have an effect on gas prices. Did you ever finish a history, econ or civics class? Or were you too busy growing Northern Lights crossed with Skunk No. 5 in your Mom's basement?

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 2:35PM

you're just a little stupid, no?

Con Chef (NB) | 2.9.12 @ 3:08PM

Wow. I stand awestruck by your detailed refutation of my post. Truly, I'm in the presence of intellectual vacuity.

Mickeybutane| 2.9.12 @ 4:12PM

Johnny - get off your Mother and clean your basement!
signed, your Dad

Occam's Tool| 2.9.12 @ 10:14PM

He can cause problems by idiotically tightening supply with no good reason, Johnny. 67% hurts the poor, especially.

Occam's Tool| 2.9.12 @ 10:14PM

He can cause problems by idiotically tightening supply with no good reason, Johnny. 67% hurts the poor, especially.

Occam's Tool| 2.9.12 @ 10:15PM

You know, Con---I have a funny story about trying to grow tomatoes which I will share with you sometime...

Occam's Tool| 2.9.12 @ 10:15PM

You know, Con---I have a funny story about trying to grow tomatoes which I will share with you sometime...

Occam's Tool| 2.9.12 @ 10:14PM

He can cause problems by idiotically tightening supply with no good reason, Johnny. 67% hurts the poor, especially.

Petronius| 2.9.12 @ 8:41AM

Bob
After what the 9th Circuit in San FranSinsco did to us yesterday, how can you post this nonsense with a straight face?

Mike Hawk| 2.9.12 @ 8:59AM

The 9th Circus Court is Schlemiels is regularly over turned. It is likely this too will be overturned. When we get the Senate back, the Congress has to break up the 9th Circus into about 3 more and dilute the Liberalism of those clowns.

Yashmak| 2.9.12 @ 10:21AM

That wasn't a sign of life from liberalism, that was a good old fashioned case of the pro Prop 8 legal team utterly failing to provide enough evidence to back their claim of constitutionality for Prop 8. Plain and simple. It's the same reason they had to appeal to the higher circuit court in the first place, because the previous court made the same determination. . .that they hadn't provided sufficient evidence that there's a pressing reason to treat gays etc. differently than everyone else on the subject of marriage. Now, I've seen studies and heard testimony that they could have used, but I've also read the reports from the court hearings, indicating they called few experts, and prevented few studies as evidence.

VBMax| 2.9.12 @ 9:07AM

"Liberalism is dead" is wishful thinking. Kind of reminds me of the story you hear every so often about the guy in the coffin who sits up in the middle of his funeral. Wasn't really dead at all. I'll start believing when there is no more Dept of Education or EPA etc.

Anthony| 2.9.12 @ 9:38AM

I agree guys, Emmett is a bit premature here, as he was with Romney. Wishful thinking about the left will get you nowhere. Action is what is required.
As far as the Ninth Circus is concerned, the elite left continue to brazenly operate and mock our institutions, with no concern for any potential consequences.
The reprehensible Judge Stephen Reinhardt once quipped about the reversal rate of his and that of his fellow lefty 9th circus clowns, "Oh well, they can't catch them all".
It's time we put an end to this attitude.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 9:56AM

Anthony - so none of the billionaires on the right are elite? What a silly thing to believe.

Anthony| 2.9.12 @ 10:19AM

Yes, they may be elitists, but unlike the left, they don't insist on butting into people's lives, telling them what to eat, when to eat, if they can smoke, and how much water their toilets can flush.
Conservative elitists enjoy the fruits of their hard labor, extend their good fortunes to others by attempting to help them become self sufficient.
They believe in live and let live; unlike the left, that believes in live, as we tell you to, or else.
That is the fundamental difference between conservative and leftist elitists, got it?

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 10:23AM

Really - what do you think the Catholic right and the Koch brothers do - constantly telling people what they can't do - no abortiona, no collective bargaining. Deciding what we can do. What happened to freedom - if i don;t like what someone does, I leave them to it - none of my business - you can't cry freedom and select what not applies to, or you don't understand the meaning of the word. FWIW, I'm not even remotely liberal, but grossly misinformed people like you undermine the freedom I want in this country.

Timothy L. Pennell| 2.9.12 @ 10:27AM

You're GAY. It's the same thing.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 10:29AM

What a considered response. Precisely why idiots like you and your parroted "opinions" will be left in the dust when you are no longer need by those who use your thick brain.

Anthony| 2.9.12 @ 11:02AM

Advocating positions, as is our right as citizens, in juxtaposition to leftist jackbooters shoving their utopian dreams down our throats, are diametrically opposed concepts.
If you don't like what the Church stands for, don't belong. However, it is the left that insists that the Church bend to the will of the secular left.
You have to be a true believer or a complete moron not to see the difference.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 11:05AM

utopian dreams like being paid fairly for work - last time I looked, men went to war to fight for that right. You are a lapdog to you master, Anthony. A freedom hater and an unpatriotic excuse for a human

Anthony| 2.9.12 @ 11:23AM

You are a pathetic troll, I've spent way too much time on you. Play time is over.
Go find Purp and find a park to occupy.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 11:35AM

"Play time is over" what a tough boy - you and your nasty little racist commentaries could disappear from the earth tomoroow, and nobody would notice - what a self-important little thug you are - I bet you are a little fat 5 foot 2 guy who would blow away at the first sight of any real challenge in the real world - stop spending every day of your life on comment pages and get out once in a while - or are you too cowardly to do that, little man?

W| 2.9.12 @ 11:21AM

Who is the "Catholic Right" and when did it tell anyone they can't have collective bargaining? If a labor union has a labor contract with an employer then the employer must bargain with the union. Where did you come up with such an unfounded silly notion?

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 11:26AM

two separate issues - catholic Right and abortion - Koch brothers and union-killing - read it again

W| 2.9.12 @ 11:51AM

Answer the question Purp

W| 2.9.12 @ 12:05PM

"Really - what do you think the Catholic right and the Koch brothers do - constantly telling people what they can't do - no abortiona, no collective bargaining."

Hey johnny purp, when you conncec the words Catholic Right with Koch using the word AND you are saying both do what you claim..Either back it up or admit you don't know what your are talking about.

Occam's Tool| 2.9.12 @ 10:19PM

Yes, you are Communist, Johnny---not remotely classically Liberal, it's true.

Todd S| 2.9.12 @ 10:36AM

I believe what Emmett is getting at when he says liberalism is dead refers to honest ideology of liberalism which no longer exists on the left. It is a failed ideology and must be covered for by lies and deceit. He does not mean it is not a danger to us, it fact it is more dangerous than ever with Obama as President. There are no Patrick Moynihan's on the left anymore that will speak with honest conviction and do not justify the by any means ideology but a fair discussion of ideas to the public. The Democrat Party is now owned by the likes of Obama, Pelosi and that bitch Wassermann Shultz who will tell any lie and distortion to increase their power and the unlimited power of the state. Mark Levin's Liberty and Tyranny and Ameritopia dissects the tyrannical mindset of modern day liberalism and how it is tearing down the foundations of what made this country great.

Anthony| 2.9.12 @ 9:17AM

Having recently trapsed past Zucotti Park, I mused to myself that I was glad to be taking the train home, as a stay in NYC these days may lead to lice and bed bugs, thanks to the enviornmental edicts of Obozo's EPA.
Gee, I guess DSK at his $2,000 per night digs, (with all the maids he could maul), and the OWS crowd, shared more than just socialist utopian dreams.
Lice and vermin appear to attach themselves to like minded warm blooded creatures, no matter how expensive the bed is. Ah, vermin,the true egalitarians!!

Nina| 2.9.12 @ 9:33AM

I love how they exaggerate the numbers to benefit themselves. Tea party protests in the 100s; OWS in the 1000s!

albert constantine jr.| 2.9.12 @ 9:38AM

In the mid-70s, Earl Butz lost his Secretary of Agriculture job when he told a joke to noted rat John Dean about why a specific demographic was not attracted to the Republican Party. Regarding Mr. Butz’ list of three items of exclusive interest, at least as far as the OWS demographic is concerned, apparently the warm place to defecate is no longer required for their political support.

Anthony| 2.9.12 @ 9:45AM

A most witty riposte albert. My compliments, sir. A blast from the past.

albert constantine jr| 2.9.12 @ 12:12PM

I was concerned my reference would be too obscure, but I am glad you enjoyed it.

C. S. P. Schofield| 2.9.12 @ 10:07AM

The American Left cast loose of reality as far back as the necessity of ignoring that Stalin was a monster. To expect them to recognise the facts on the ground at this late date frankly makes less sense than the Left themselves.

Brian Mc| 2.9.12 @ 10:17AM

Excellent point and one can only shake their head at the audaciousness of the fact. Since it has been buried and/or excoriated from the history books, we can only cluck at the absurdity while those responsible teach our children.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 10:30AM

I can point to numerous texts written by the lefties you despise that say that Stalin was a monster - good god - fight with real fists, why don't you?

Todd S| 2.9.12 @ 11:12AM

Took a long time for the NYT's to admit it, he was a great visionary and good old "Uncle Joe" until they could no longer deny the ugly reality of Soviet Russia and the tens of millions killed in the gulags. Many on the left today still make excuses and praise a monster like Castro, including the disgusting Black Caucus in Congress. Still denying you are a liberal troll johnny?

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 11:38AM

Citation please, or back in your hole

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 11:47AM

and again - none at all - all talk - no backup with facts - typical fox parrot

C. S. P. Schofield| 2.9.12 @ 11:57AM

Asking for citation of Liberal fandom for Stalin, Mao, Castro, etc. is like asking for citation regarding the earth rotating on its access every day.

Go paint yourself purple and moo.

Todd S| 2.9.12 @ 1:30PM

Love how this moron says the most unsubstantiated garbage but we have to provide a link for every thing we say even if it is a common fact. Since you bring up Mao who is the largest mass murderer in history, it reminds me of a certain former Obama official by the name of Anita Dunn who said Mao was one of her two favorite philosophers. I guess Stalin didn't kill enough people in the name of Karl Marx for her liking. Here is the link for johnny boy

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/t.....ly-muzzled

Todd S| 2.9.12 @ 1:11PM

http://www.amazon.com/Stalins-.....0195057007

http://afrocityblog.wordpress......llo-world/

There you go you little prick, google is a wonderful thing! Walter Durant of the NYT's was a Stalin suckup and the Black Caucus loves dictators like Castro, anything else I can help you with moron?

Johnny who| 2.9.12 @ 4:58PM

Why not just ignore the troll, insulting him back puts you on his level and doesn't really do that much to enforce people's impressions of us

Todd S| 2.9.12 @ 5:44PM

Trolls need to given a verbal smackdown at times when they insist on spamming their garbage all over here. Why not make him look like the foolish liberal troll he is with some facts? Notice how he had no reply because I proved him to be the idiot he is?

Johnny who| 2.9.12 @ 6:19PM

But you didn't really prove anything, you just got on his level and if you remove the cliches out of both your posts, it looks like two kids fighting in a schoolyard. If you want to promote conservatism, that's great, but you are actually doing more harm than good to the cause by using the language you do.

Todd S| 2.9.12 @ 7:03PM

Well you can have your point of view but I don't think nasty trolls like his deserve any respect. Not sure what my cliches you are referring to, I just pointed out the Occupy movement is filled with lawless malcontents and the left has shown an affinity for murderous tyrants over the years such as Stalin, Mao and Castro. I don't feel the need to place nice with trolls like this. And my language is really not that bad, you sound like the type who is afraid of confrontation and wants everyone to play nice.

Todd S| 2.9.12 @ 7:04PM

like him

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 7:40PM

Your language wouldn't be acceptable in any civilized hall of debate. If you can't make your point without resorting to swearing, you will be remembered for vulgarity, and anything else you had to say will be forgotten. You don't have to believe me, but it is the way of the world.

Todd S| 2.9.12 @ 9:09PM

Are you serious after the garbage you have said? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You sir are truly pathetic.

Johnny who| 2.9.12 @ 9:57PM

Todd - the two of you are one in the same, it wouldn't surprise me if you were switching logins to make both sides. Grow up the pair of you

Todd S| 2.9.12 @ 10:20PM

You are clueless Johnny who, you have nothing to say but inane comments. I have not heard you say anything intelligent, just about how you take the high road bs. No one wants your lectures

Occam's Tool| 2.9.12 @ 10:21PM

Walter Duranty won a Pulitzer prize for the NYT in 1932 for precisely what Todd S was citing. Need to know your history. You know, my college board on American History was 800, and my ACT score on history was perfect, as well.

cuban pete| 2.9.12 @ 10:25AM

While visiting my son's family in D.C. last month I saw a bumper sticker that read " I'm one of the 99%." It was on a brand new Volvo.
You have to love these guys.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 10:42AM

So middle-class people aren't allowed to have a new car? that's very elite of you to say

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 10:42AM

So middle-class people aren't allowed to have a new car? that's very elite of you to say

Timothy L. Pennell| 2.9.12 @ 10:49AM

Shouldn't you be Masturbating For Peace, idiot?

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 10:53AM

I think you are quite comfortable masturbating in your obsession closet little timmy - I'm just going to keep on keeping on, and let people do as they feel - it is the hallmark of a freedom-loving patriot to do so

Fred Farkel| 2.9.12 @ 10:50AM

Probably belonged to one of the 'poor' struggling University Students that infest DC.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 10:56AM

or perhaps a taxpayer who worked hard for it and wanted to express an opinion

Ronald Akenberry| 2.9.12 @ 10:28AM

Emmet,

You certainly have become a grouchy old bastard since I read your stuff decades ago.

You claim liberalism is dead. Well, so is Bill Buckley. What does that leave the so-called conservative movement?

Answer: Religious and racist wackos, anarchists, culture warriors and of course the super-fat cat plutocracy.

That ain't much to brag about in my way of thinking.

Maybe you should re-kindle liberalism.

I think it would suit you.

albert constantine jr| 2.9.12 @ 11:14AM

Has Purpleguy AKA Purp become Johnny now?

W| 2.9.12 @ 11:24AM

It is johnny Purp!

Bill| 2.9.12 @ 11:39AM

Crash those OWS mobs. they are agent of hate.

Danram| 2.9.12 @ 11:47AM

I laugh openly every time I see the "Occupy" people referred to as "a movement". It takes a lot more than isolated knots of a few dozen smelly malcontents sprinkled here and there around the country to constitute a "movement".

A curiosity? Perhaps.

A nuisance? Certainly.

A pathetic joke? Most definitely.

But a "movement"? I don't think so. When they can muster up 100,000 for a march down the National Mall, then maybe you can call them a movement. Until then, they're nothing but a bunch of spoiled brats who think that the world owes them a living.

Fred Farkel| 2.9.12 @ 12:06PM

They are a bowel movement if anything.

Con Chef (NB) | 2.9.12 @ 3:16PM

Hence my nickname for them:

Occupados.

David Thomas | 2.9.12 @ 11:48AM

An Occupier, hearing the controversy of whether it was just a passing event or the start of a real movement, performed on a police car, giving evidence either way.

Beppo| 2.9.12 @ 11:59AM

The sort of total, over the top, hysteria that gives Republicans a bad name. Does Tyrrell really think that Americans in general are in love with the fat cats of the financial industry.

Fred Farkel| 2.9.12 @ 12:07PM

Only Democrqats are. They love they money the DNC gets from them.

civisisus| 2.9.12 @ 12:26PM

wow, it's true what my friends have told me - tyrell's become a cranky old reactionary psycho. Kind of a shame, back when he made a brand of conservatism sound coherent. This bizarre rant is just...sad.

Jeanne Johnson| 2.9.12 @ 12:27PM

I applaud the Occupiers, they have shed much needed light on the corruption of wall street, our big banks and our own elected officials. These people have put themselves on the front line to be attacked by police, government officials and people like you. If they fade now, I say job well done, we are more aware of why our country is in such a mess. And by the way I am a registered Republican and have been since 1980.

Curtis Rasmussen| 2.9.12 @ 5:00PM

Registered RINO is more like it. The OWS scum were not attacked by the police, they were arrested for breaking the law and vandalizing public and private property.

john liming | 2.9.12 @ 12:46PM

This movement was more degenerate than they reported.---- Not any more so than the Congressional Obstructionists and those who have pledged to insure Obama is a one term President.

john liming | 2.9.12 @ 12:46PM

This movement was more degenerate than they reported.---- Not any more so than the Congressional Obstructionists and those who have pledged to insure Obama is a one term President.

Ron| 2.9.12 @ 1:15PM

How insanely stupid is the "Occasionally Wash Selves" movement...Here in Juneau (Alaska, not Wisconsin), I was driving through a snooty neighbourhood...You know the kind "War Is Not The Answer" and "Obama" signs plastered everywhere, and swear to G-D, on the front of one houses' tarp covered woodpile (the house values at approximately $300,000) is a sign proclaiming "We Are The 99%." I do not think they are supporting the real common people in the US. Their other signs would indicate a left lean.

Black Robe| 2.9.12 @ 1:16PM

My advice to everyone: Ignore the fools

Indy| 2.9.12 @ 1:29PM

Liberlism is not dead, more violence expected to come:

"Adbusters, the radical, Vancouver-based anti-consumerist magazine, credited by many media outlets for launching the Occupy Wall Street protests, has put out an ad calling for 50,000 protestors to “Occupy” the G8 summit in May.

The Adbusters ad shows a picture of policemen beating up a defenseless protestor, and comes with the caption: “In the Tradition of the Chicago 8.” The Chicago 8 were radicals who incited riots in Chicago during the 1968 Democratic convention"
http://cnsnews.com/blog/paul-w.....68-rioters

The Democrats embraced OWS, will they ever speak out against the violence?

Indy| 2.9.12 @ 1:30PM

I meant "Liberalism" sorry for the typo, an edit feature would be nice...

500| 2.12.12 @ 2:00AM

Liberalism as a political ideology is dead.

The political ideology of liberalism is based on nothing more than unintelligent and emotional emotional prattle devoid of reason and experience.

The effects of roughly a century of that dead political ideology may yet destroy this nation.

Peter| 2.9.12 @ 1:34PM

Liberalism is not dead and I doubt it will ever die. While it's correct that Liberals will rely on blatantly false statements, will ignore reality that doesn't fit their world view and will demonize any major proposal put forth by conservatives rather than debate the merits or attempt to propose a compromise. But what must be understood is that for liberals, like those I know too well in New York City, their beliefs are a matter of faith no different in any way than religious faith. Therefore, no amount of real world evidence that their solutions don't work or are outdate will sway them. They will pass on this faith to their children and liberalism will continue to live. Because of economic and political cycles those following or supporting it will rise and fall with the times, just as conservatism will, but it will not go away.

Truther| 2.9.12 @ 1:36PM

What do you mean "picking up dead rats"? I was under the impression all the rats had left before the clean up started. So here we go again. The American people are cleaning up after a bunch of liberal idiots mess thing up. Liberal congressmen, left wing midia, left wing academia, left wing idiots all the same, Do what you want and someone else will clean up the mess. Will it never change?

Glenn Koons| 2.9.12 @ 1:48PM

Great perspective but.....the Pubs in varied areas should tie OWS directly to the Obama WH. OWS was to be their revolutionary vanguard for election fraud and pressure ala ACORN,SEIU and other lefty orgs which hate free enterprise and real democracy plus any Constitutional restraints against Federal tyranny. Pubs miss so many opportunities to nail this Golden Calf Idol in the WH because they fear the MSM and the fact that they might actually go on the offense. Rush is right. The RNC and Establishment Pubs could not even see that OWS was going to be a disaster for Bama.

Tom Kyba| 2.9.12 @ 1:57PM

C'mon people, Johnny is here for one reason. He gets a kick out of annoying you all and the sad thing is he truly believes he is hoisting you on your own petard. "Ooh look at all the replies cursing at me. First "I am not a liberal" then attacking the Koch bros. Prettyy gutless. I suppose he's above such petty political affiliations don't you know. If you ever saw the South Park episode where the boys become addicted to on line gaming and you saw the guy who kept killing off their avatars then you have already met Johnny.

Johnny who| 2.9.12 @ 5:02PM

I think you're giving him even more ammo by making an analysis of his trolling, no?

Allen Johnson| 2.9.12 @ 2:05PM

The article misses the point on WHY the Occupied movement came to life. Occupy Wall Street!!! Get it? Hmmn? The banksters and cons and crooks and money hustlers and their government shills that took this nation and its economy down the tubes, and who continue to line their pockets at government ruse and largesse. That's why!!! And there is some truth, even if outlandish, that 1% of the Wall Street hustlers continue to profit handsomely with the bailouts and continued lack of regulations.

Ok, so the anarchists and naive idealists took over OWS. So they don't have a workable plan. So they hollered and ranted. Ok, they made a mess. I'll concede all of this to the essay.

But the paired question still remains: Did Wall Street in its greedy shenanigans plunge the nation into recession? And will the U.S. government prosecute those crimes, and enact solid reforms that prevent this from reoccurring? A lot of OWS protesters feel that the government is bought and owned by Wall Street, and will therefore NOT prosecute the malefactors and will NOT enact meaningful financial market reform. Therefore, in spirit if not in strategy and tactics, I identify with OWS.

Todd S| 2.9.12 @ 4:13PM

It was organized by Soros front groups which is ironic considering who George Soros is. Where is any of these people protesting or even aware of Warren Buffet's sweet deal for Goldman Sach's and all the TARP money that bailed out his many investments? Did they have anything to say about the massive role Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac played in the mortgage crisis? Did they have any criticism against the Dodd/Frank bill that makes future bailouts even more likely? You need to educate yourself about what really caused the crisis Allen Johnson, check out Reckless Endangerment by Gretchen Morgenson.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb.....kl,aps,199

And if you think I am trying to push some right wing slant on the issue, this book was written by a NYT's reporter, one of the few honest ones that will report the facts of what actually happened. Another book if you really want to understand the corruption that goes on with Wall Street and DC is Through Them All Out by Peter Schweizer. The Occupy movement is not about the truth but about class warfare and anti-capitalist mentality. Look at the disgusting and unlawful behavior of this losers and you should realize it is all misdirection.

Todd S| 2.9.12 @ 4:44PM

Throw Them All Out I meant

BigDan| 2.9.12 @ 2:28PM

Oh God, I do not care if its a thousand rednecks (of which I am proud to say I am), a thousand right or left wing people. There will always be problems in any group. With that said.

The granola set have always given me a lot of gas. Out my back end. They talk, rabble, don't wash and think its great to protest. Do we need protest? YES! But we need the work to be done on the local level. If all those people pressured the wimpy bought off reps and congress criminals to actually do the job someone (still trying got figure out who) voted them in for. This goes for all civil servants too. The responsibly starts at home. The people who sit on the boards of the companies. The CEO of companies. Pressure needs to be fair and proper. But pressure none the less. Money talks, then make it talk.

The leaders of the occupy movement needed to arrange for portable bathrooms. To police their own. if they can by 5 dollar coffee drinks. They can each chip in for a bathroom in a big plastic shack. Remember, a large coffee makes 150% more volume in urine. Then there is the smell of all the caffeinated unwashed granola hipsters. Jeeze. You will find me going to a county meeting trying to track the graft.

What they did accomplish? They showed us that the abuse of power in our country is at the heart of many issues. Police brutality is just one issue. We sprayed old women with mace and dangerous chemicals! We all need to be ashamed. Many of us feel true sociopaths are now running the country. Profits at all costs. Human, and our nations life is at great risk here. Right or left. People that have no care or love for what our country is all about. An ideology of all people included. hard work is rewarded. Justice is for all along with its sister, Freedom.

Occupy is just the start. Did I agree to the unwashed mass? Yes, on ideology if there was one. Next time it will be more organised. To me it was like a large experiment orchestrated by "interesting people of some question" If we are not careful, we will lose our rights as we are now. They will be at your door to spray you and drag you away.

EKurtz99| 2.9.12 @ 2:30PM

"I shall even be coming out with a book on the subject in a couple of months. That the hitherto respectable magazines of the left would push such nonsense is to be included in my diagnosis. There was a day when the Liberals would argue according to some standards of objectivity. They would not push a line that was absolute flapdoodle. Yet Liberalism is dead. The Occupation hysteria adopted by every single journal on the left is but another proof of it."

So says Mr Tyrrell, but I wonder: the left wing press uniformly rejected the various 9/11 conspiracy theories, though, had one of them been true, it would have damned their nemesis - Bush - for all time. No liberal outlet here (NYT, Nation, PBS Frontline etc) or elsewhere (UK Guardian, Independent, BBC, CBC) picked up the conspiracy line and ran with it. So apparently, at least a decade ago, they "would argue according to some standards of objectivity".

Perhaps Mr Tyrrell would argue that it was during the Bush years that the Left lost its mind. I could believe that. But Leftists still rant about Bush, so we should expect a revival of 9/11 conspiracies in the present period.

The only conclusion is that the Left is deluded enough to impute all sorts of commendable revolutionary zeal to the OWS, but has enough remnants of objectivity to reject 9/11 Truther absurdities.

Joe Steel| 2.9.12 @ 3:04PM

A quick google search refutes your assertion a/b the left wing press NOT propagating interest in 9/11 conspiracy.

Nice try tho.

The Bruce| 2.9.12 @ 5:39PM

Absolutely correct. And it started immediately after 9/11.

Remember that question asked repeatedly in the media ? "What did Bush know, and when did he know it?"

Not only does the left-leaning press take an interest in 9/11 conspiracies, they got it started in the first place.

EKurtz99| 2.9.12 @ 10:43PM

Any fool, left or right, can set up a website and fill it with nonsense, and eventually show up in a google search. I was talking about the major left-wing media, those with the resources to conduct an in-depth investigation of 9/11 conspiracy theories. ie the ones I mentioned (NYT, the Nation, PBS Frontline).

dd| 2.9.12 @ 8:38PM

Meanwhile, the (extreme) right can't let go of their delusion that Obama is not a US citizen, that he's Muslim, on and on. Three years of repeated proof to the contrary.

Now THAT's delusion.

sholme| 2.9.12 @ 2:39PM

That photo is of a clean-up that needed to happen after the police, with only 20 minutes warning, tore down the encampments and forced everybody to leave. It's an uninformed person who says that mess is how the Occupy people were living/willing to leave behind.

Todd S| 2.9.12 @ 4:48PM

Really sholme? They were told repeatedly too leave and finally enough was enough and they kicked the losers out because they would not leave of their own accord. Even the famous pantywaist Bloomyberg said enough was enough and to get the hell out. Lawless scumbags who contribute nothing to society and cause further waste of taxpayer dollars to clean up their stinking mess. The exact opposite of the Tea Party.

sholme| 2.9.12 @ 2:46PM

The Occupy Movement WAS succesful in changing the dialogue in our country about income inequality. In any other election, Romney wouldn't have to run away from his perceived "fat-cat" persona like he's doing now. Long after the "hippies" and "homeless occupiers" are forgotten, people will remember "The 99%." Brilliant messaging on their part.

Joe Steel| 2.9.12 @ 3:06PM

It was a good attempt at branding, no doubt.

But, the 53% of us that actually pay federal income taxes are too busy earning and paying for the 47% that pay no federal income tax to get caught up in the hysteria.

Back to work.

Alex| 2.9.12 @ 6:10PM

while it must come as a great shock to you, most of us could care less about Romney's perceived persona. We accept that he is wealthy because he earned his money, something the OWS folks appear to have little interest in doing. And income inequality is not an issue, it's a bumper sticker. Govt taking Romney's money does absolutely nothing to improve your life or that of any 99%-er.

Johnny who| 2.9.12 @ 6:30PM

To be fair , he is wealthy because his father was wealthy, and he inherited it. He made plenty of money since, but if you are born wealthy, you dOnt get wealthy twice.

Todd S| 2.9.12 @ 7:13PM

Who cares if his Dad was a rich successful man? His success wasn't based on his Dad's success, he went and earned it himself. Not like he is a Jay Rockefeller or John Kerry living off his family's fortune and acting like he is for the common man while living a life of unimaginable luxury. Not a big Romney supporter but lets get the facts straight.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 7:43PM

He said "We accept that he is wealthy because he earned his money" - why not read a bit Todd and get your head out the gutter? And he made his money by running a company that fires people on behalf of billionaires - you like firing people, Todd? You like to see a few people get rich rather than thousands keep jobs? Let me give you a hint - you are never going to be rich - siding with them will only hurt your chances of financial stability. You a re a fool if you think otherwise

Todd S| 2.9.12 @ 9:15PM

I would like to fire you but you are unemployed anyway and spend your time whining about rich successful people. So do you hate billionaires like George Soros and Warren Buffet or all they the "right" kind of billionaires?

Johnny who| 2.9.12 @ 10:02PM

How do you know he's unemployed? He is just pointing out that Romney didn't become wealthy as the OP suggested. That's a fact. As is the fact that Romney made more money in a questionable job, at the expense of others. You seem more interested in fighting than having a discussion - rather odd indeed .

Todd S| 2.9.12 @ 10:34PM

Just admit you are a liberal trolling here Johnny who. Explain to me how he made his money questionably? You don't have the first clue on what private equity does. Answer me this, is it always wrong to fire people? If a company fails, everyone will lose their job. Romney specialized in restructuring businesses in order to become profitable so they can grow and hire more people and was very successful in doing so and made alot of money. Do you begrudge his success? Also you imply he inherited great wealth which is not true, a vast majority of his fortune he earned himself, that is a FACT

Joe Steel| 2.9.12 @ 3:01PM

liberalism is dead because their is no cogent philosophy behind it, and there are no steady values. for instance, liberals support gay marriage because it is 'unjust' to tell individuals that they can not do it. Yet they support the government forcing individuals to buy healthcare.....with the 'rationale' being that if you don't have healtchare it negatively impacts others because they have to pay for you and you would be a freeloader on the system if you didn't have to buy it. Yet, in turn they support expanded entitlements for the 47% of Americans that pay no income tax and are, in no uncertain terms since they do not pay into the system....freeloaders.

Essentially, logic does matter. Hypocrisy is the norm. And if you disagree with illogical hypocrisy you are wrong. Is there any question as to why leftism and progressivism eventually lead to totalitarianism???

Joe Steel| 2.9.12 @ 3:07PM

"What we saw at Zuccotti Park, was like a Re-enactment of the French Revolution"

Clearly we can believe you have an objective point of view on all this. LOL.

spike59| 2.10.12 @ 6:12AM

what we saw st zuccotti park is the same scene you can witness at the 'monkey house' at most metropolitan zoos; frustrated primates screeching, playing with their genitalia, and flinging poo

David N| 2.9.12 @ 3:18PM

The right does not have a plan? How about this:

1. Restrain the EPA. Right now the EPA is shutting down 33 GW of power in the US with its new "cap and trade" rules. let's put an end to this.

2. Restrain the department of interrior - lets issue a lot more permits for drilling oil in the Gulf, off the coasts (yes, even California), and in the arctic.

3. Expand pipelines - not just keystone but ones to the Baaken.

4. make all companies use e-verify. force companies to hire americans, not illegal immigrants.

5. Slash expenditures across the board. With 4, we should be able to cut unemployment. Put more people back to work.

6. Put a muzzle on the Tort reform lawyer's lobby. We are killing ourselves by lawsuits.

that is my start.

Bill| 2.9.12 @ 3:31PM

Liberals are parasites. Exterminate them.

Johnny who| 2.9.12 @ 5:12PM

Man bill, you're not helping us any with the violence bit - calm it down a bit

VBMax| 2.9.12 @ 7:23PM

I hereby disown any and all comments made on this site by "Bill". My gut feeling is that "Bill" is a liberal troll posting here to make conservatives of good will look bad.

johnny| 2.9.12 @ 7:44PM

Quite honestly, you all don't need any help to look bad - remove his comments and this will still look a cesspool of idiotic mouthbreathers.

Occam's Tool| 2.9.12 @ 10:24PM

Johnny, name calling is what Clint does. Do you do any argumentation at all?

ARBITRATION| 2.10.12 @ 3:12AM

Parasites live off others, to the point those it takes food and shelter from perish.

Tyrants much like parasites oppress unalienable rights like private property arbitrarily, to the point of arbitrarily taking the lives of millions of innocents.

Liberals much like tyrants and parasites, take from others socially, politically, and economically through oppression of the unalienable rights of others, taking personal property from others such as food and shelter, oppressing to the point of taking the lives of millions of innocents.

There is moral justification for the extermination of both parasites and tyrants.

Additional submissions pertaining to this dispute will be considered.

Chicagoray| 2.9.12 @ 4:30PM

From Occupy Wall Street to Occupy Jail Cell and Courtrooms. Nice work MSM, I mean, that's the movement THEY coalesced around. Deadbeats.

John Monaghan| 2.9.12 @ 4:43PM

The creation of poverty is a capital crime and should be so classified under the law of a civilized nation. Perhaps the sentence upon conviction should be to live the rest of one's (read the financiers and politicos who perpetrated the last fiasco) natural life in abject poverty in a northern City.

dd| 2.9.12 @ 5:27PM

Amazing how many people lazily buy into Tyrell's caricature of the OWS movement-- which consciously seeks to identify it with mindless drug abuse, filth, and laziness. Those with sharp eyes see the real social menace-- accurately-- as the laissez-faire, do-as-you-please mentality of BANKS and INSURANCE companies and their WILLFUL attempts to deceive others into thinking they made profit THROUGH HARD WORK. They did not. They made it through DECEIT, willful MANIPULATION, and (in some cases) skirting the laws (check recent headlines on attorney general settlements for details). And they used the FED GOV'T as their backing (FDIC) for making risky bets rather than take on that risk themselves-- they had no "skin in the game"-- inadequate collateral.

So, in fact, the very LAZINESS and UNLAWFULNESS these critics accuse OWS participants of is really more characteristic of the CORPORATIONS.

Problem? It's easy to visualize pictures of ROBBERS and dissolute HIPPIES and point fingers and call them LIBERALS. It's not so easy to get a picture of AIG and what they did.

All of this is too hard for you guys to understand in your "rant and rave" mode?

Lesson: Banks and Wall Street were indeed a problem. A culture of greed without responsibility flourished in which out of control SPENDING (i.e., reckless investment) was the rule. This appraisal is in line with what most conservatives would say.

But, you know, MONEY IS ADDICTIVE. That's why the same reckless crowd of cowboy self-professed "conservatives" wants to blame the whole mess on Obama, and go back to ruining the economy, collecting millions, and bankrupting the US taxpayer in the process--- who cares? I'm rich! And then have the nerve to tell us we should RESPECT them for having such cleverness to make millions!!

Alex| 2.9.12 @ 6:07PM

Who is deluding whom, asks our faithful scribe. The left is deluding itself, pretending that this dissident rabble amounted to something meaningful. The fact that OWS leans left speaks volumes to its cluelessness. The existing problem is too much govt in our lives; having more govt is certainly not the answer, not that the Repubs are offering such an answer. This duopoly is not serving us well; it is simply two sides of the big govt party with the only difference being spending priorities. But make no mistake - both sides LOVE spending. Your money.

What OWS really did was put the lie to any belief in the quality of public education. These youths believe capitalism to be evil, though every alternative has actually been demonstrated as such. They want free this and free that, painfully unaware that there is no free anything. They major in subject matter for which there is no market and believe themselves educated. Please.

They blissfully ignored govt's complicity in Wall St wrongdoing; is there an industry MORE regulated than the financial? Talk about the fox guarding the henhouse. They blissfully ignored market reality in believing that everyone was "entitled" to own a home; whether the home was affordable was not a factor. They see things like health care as 'rights', clueless that govt cannot bestow rights, it can only extend privileges which it can also take away.

I applaud any young person's desire to speak out against injustice, but I must insist it be the real thing, not some manufactured soapbox talking point. And I must further insist that protesters have a clue what they are talking about, that they not believe themselves entitled to forced takeovers of other people's property, and that they see that the very people they keep electing are the most dangerous folks on the scene.

dd| 2.9.12 @ 8:34PM

Nice try, Alex. Despite the eloquence of your writing, you missed the boat. Read my post above again.

"Government"-- that punching bag of the right-- was not the problem in the Wall St. debacle. FACT: most of the laws applying to financial and banking industry evolved out of the Great Depression. NO ONE believes that this industry was overregulated. No new laws had been written in years. Both Clinton and Bush Presidencies evolved to essentially allow LESS gov't regulation in the finance industry. There was a naive believe about the ability of the markets to "correct themselves." That confidence proved WOEFULLY false. The banks would have dragged us all over a precipice, had not gov't intervened. And that decision was made in the Bush presidency by the treasury secretary. So the belief of the need for gov't intervention was shared by Repubs in the Bush admin, not just the "wacko" democrats and liberals that you demonize.

You must learn to distinguish "government" from the "laws," too. Every society has the right to formulate and apply laws to its own benefit. We are a society of laws. In this instance, the banks broke laws; but more important, they operated outside the RANGE of most laws. And the result was a punishing payback to society: collapse like a house of cards. One company, then another, another, then a ricochet effect around the world, just as the European bank crisis is STILL affecting us.

How do you not get this?

To say that there was nothing wrong with these businesses on Wall St., and that common folks must just learn to accept this (and diminishing wealth for all except an elite few) is to both ignore the movement of history and subscribe to a FINANCIAL ELITISM that is out of keeping with our nation's DEMOCRACY. Your philosophy is a simplistic and naive view of the world, which simply says that "hard work" will prevail. But that is precisely the lesson of the last 4 years: abusers on Wall St. didn't "earn" their money in any real sense; they pirated it from others, destroying market stability in the process. No one can object to that? No, NOT to object to it would be wrong. Our country was founded on egalitarian principles of liberty and justice FOR ALL and that is what OWS is about!

dd| 2.9.12 @ 8:34PM

Nice try, Alex. Despite the eloquence of your writing, you missed the boat. Read my post above again.

"Government"-- that punching bag of the right-- was not the problem in the Wall St. debacle. FACT: most of the laws applying to financial and banking industry evolved out of the Great Depression. NO ONE believes that this industry was overregulated. No new laws had been written in years. Both Clinton and Bush Presidencies evolved to essentially allow LESS gov't regulation in the finance industry. There was a naive believe about the ability of the markets to "correct themselves." That confidence proved WOEFULLY false. The banks would have dragged us all over a precipice, had not gov't intervened. And that decision was made in the Bush presidency by the treasury secretary. So the belief of the need for gov't intervention was shared by Repubs in the Bush admin, not just the "wacko" democrats and liberals that you demonize.

You must learn to distinguish "government" from the "laws," too. Every society has the right to formulate and apply laws to its own benefit. We are a society of laws. In this instance, the banks broke laws; but more important, they operated outside the RANGE of most laws. And the result was a punishing payback to society: collapse like a house of cards. One company, then another, another, then a ricochet effect around the world, just as the European bank crisis is STILL affecting us.

How do you not get this?

To say that there was nothing wrong with these businesses on Wall St., and that common folks must just learn to accept this (and diminishing wealth for all except an elite few) is to both ignore the movement of history and subscribe to a FINANCIAL ELITISM that is out of keeping with our nation's DEMOCRACY. Your philosophy is a simplistic and naive view of the world, which simply says that "hard work" will prevail. But that is precisely the lesson of the last 4 years: abusers on Wall St. didn't "earn" their money in any real sense; they pirated it from others, destroying market stability in the process. No one can object to that? No, NOT to object to it would be wrong. Our country was founded on egalitarian principles of liberty and justice FOR ALL and that is what OWS is about!

ffff| 2.9.12 @ 10:46PM

cause:
the producer of an effect; an event or condition responsible for a result; a reason

effect:
something brought about by a cause; a result; the meaning

reason and experience:
intellectually honest wisdom of reality derived with logical, rational, and analytical justification, based on awareness of accumulated knowledge understood through the observations of life and the world, used to make persuasive judgements with good cause

emotional prattle:
intellectually dishonest meaningless nonsense lacking reality derived with illogical, irrational, and unanalytical explanation, based on the ignorance of arbitrary feelings understood through the observations of life and the world, used to make foolish judgements with poor effect

Your posts consist of unintelligent and dishonest emotional prattle devoid of reason and experience.

The cause of providing home mortgages to those who cannot afford them resulted in the effects of government coercion of the financial industry.

This is neither brain surgery nor rocket science.

Johnny who| 2.9.12 @ 6:24PM

There's a reason Goldmsn Sachs gave huge sums to both sides - hedging bets is their business.

david| 2.9.12 @ 7:43PM

Much as I would like it to be true your notion that liberalism is dead, I don't believe it for a moment. Liberalism has been a thriving concern, at least since the Enlightenment, and-- unfortunately-- it isn't about to disappear, not now, not ever, not even when the Second Coming is manifested will liberalism disappear. It's humanly impossible, since the core of liberalism is located within the soul of man and its variant strains will be with us, wreaking havoc and horrors till the end of time, period.

Ronald Akenberry| 2.9.12 @ 8:54PM

Along those lines David, I read somewhere that young children are by nature generous and cooperative. It's only as people become adults do the conservative values of intolerance, greed and selfishness appear.

So I agree, WE are born liberals!

dd| 2.9.12 @ 9:05PM

Amazing to me, reading these posts, how despicable the tone is-- inaugurated by Tyrell, then followed by his cyber-thugs. Personal insults that will stoop to any level. Not that half of these insults have any basis. Talk of extermination of liberal parasites, death of liberalism, et c-.

I know that the use of Hitler's Germany as a point of analogy has perhaps been exhausted or discredited-- but weren't the same savage, degrading caricatures of Jews used to explain the demise of the German economy? The level of hatred towards "liberals" here is extreme and infused with stereotype. It's like some playground bully fight calling some guy a "pussy," or "fag" or whatever. Yet these are adults speaking. Evidently the purpose of Amercian Spectator is simply to stoke blind anger, not promote rational and evenhanded discourse.

Todd S| 2.9.12 @ 9:31PM

I am sure the Daily Kos and Huffpo are models of civility to conservatives right? So much to learn from you kind hearted liberals that lecture us here and well done with the Hitler analogy, I know liberals are very hesistant to bring that up to compare conservatives with. Let me guess though, not a big fan of Israel are you?

Occam's Tool| 2.9.12 @ 10:25PM

dd---considering that it is your side that is trying to let Iran have the bomb so that millions more Jews can be killed, lay off the pathetic German-Jewish analogies---it pisses this Jew off.

POST American| 2.9.12 @ 10:07PM

----------------------FINAL WORD----------------------

Time to FINALLY confront, and eject
the UN from this country in every way,
on every level.

Further, absolutely essential we definitively
give the tainting, adulteration, contamination
of foods, water, air or meds ----capital crimes
criminalization.

----5--to 10 years w/o parole for accessories.

------20 years w/o parole for the directors.

----------and for the heavies at the top of all
this, in their TAX FREE lurking places within
the 'benny violent' foundations and NGOs

---------------LIFE in prison w/o parole---------------

and for the particularly awesome EUGENISTS
(ie weaponized injections/ GM food etc.)

---------------the DEATH PENALTY-------------------

ANY questions?

Marc Jeric| 2.10.12 @ 12:55AM

Occupy crowds are real bottomfeeders, or as Sarkozy called them "la racaille" which name is even more appropriate. Like Gingrich told them : "Get a shower and go look for a job!"
Our Main Stream Media (or, more appropriately our Marxist Stalinist Media) are Mullah Obama's Agit-Prop Office, patterned on communist countries media.

Wm. Tomlinson| 2.10.12 @ 2:22AM

Uh, Emmett you keep saying left-wing press and major media as though they are somehow mutually exclusive. Me thinks you are either confused or imbibed (at the writing of this) in too many adult beverages.

Randall Smith| 2.10.12 @ 5:43AM

You right-wing Neo-Con warmongers will be gone soon enough. Good riddance. I hear they love your kind in Argentina

spike59| 2.10.12 @ 6:09AM

so....it turns out that Liberalism is not only a mental disorder; it's also a menace to public health

Bill| 2.10.12 @ 7:44AM

You wrote "You see, I read the left-wing press. Not the urban throwaway rags, but I read the Nation, the Progressive, the American Prospect, and more -- I read them all." I don't know how you do it. Sometimes I used to force myself to try to listen to Air America, it was all madness.

Dogman| 2.10.12 @ 9:46AM

When liberalism gets its last rites, will the Spectator start doing movie reviews and covering sports events? Or will the great moderate center be its next target?

Just askin'.

Ilpalazo| 2.10.12 @ 11:45AM

Wow what a waste of an article.. So you liked OWS, but after attention-seeking in extreme ways, you're no longer interested. And that ONE event makes you think Liberalism is dead.

Thanks! ... idiot.

Al Dorman| 2.10.12 @ 5:10PM

What a disgraceful and rude article. We don't need to adopt the dehumanizing methods of Göbbels just to make a political point. Yikes.

LibertyAtStake | 2.10.12 @ 10:07PM

"...for a while silly old me took them seriously..."

I didn't. Not for one second. Really. And I've been talking to a few of the young dupes this week. Only casually. I actually believe a few may be future conservatives. One might even be a great CIA operative one day. Your still my favorite 60's era conservative opinionator, btw.

d(^_^)b
http://libertyatstake.blogspot.com/
"Because the Only Good Progressive is a Failed Progressive"

PattyMor| 2.12.12 @ 2:38PM

If liberalism is dead, will someone please, please tell the liberal Republicans this ASAP? I mean we still have the Main Twins, Dick Lugar, and Scotty running around and stinking up the Party. And we have the cowardly Bonehead and McMumbles giving Barack Trillions Dollars as play money. I mean, seriously?

Soljerblue| 2.13.12 @ 12:47PM

In 1968 the angry left and their idiot fellow travelers staged a huge 'uprising' in Chicago. Result: their temper tantrum helped get Nixon elected. So I figure the end result of the OWS shyteforbrains will be to take votes from Obama this fall.

Psalm 109:8

POST American| 2.14.12 @ 1:18AM

--------------------FINAL WORD------------------------

Capital Crimes CRIMINALIZATION
of any and ALL 'stealth tainting' contamination
and/or weaponization of food, water, air or
meds in the name of 'social engineering'
(---ie capstone EUGENICS 'age-enda').

-----THIS IS A MATTER OF THE GREATEST-----
-----------------POSSIBLE URGENCY-----------------

It's right up there beside the Globalist-RED
China handover ---maybe even MORE IMPORTANT.

Time to lay hold of this monstrous legacy
---and the TAX FREE MONSTERS behind it.

--AMEN--

Steven Hansmann| 2.14.12 @ 3:46AM

And these protestors are engaging in blood-libel and stealing the body of christ from churches....no, wait a minute. Different time, same message.
Yeah I know, right-wingers never assemble in groups large enough, or long enough, to create any sort of hazard in an occupied area. What, two three hours tops? This is why there is less than 3% of Nobel prize winners in all categories that are even remotely conservative, why almost all good authors, artists, and musicians are left-wingers, why almost all scientists, except weapon researchers, are either lefties or apolitical, but certainly not fascist-leaning cretins like the author of this..........filth. I suspect this...."writer" would be condemning the ungrateful colonists in the years leading up to the Revolutionary war, you know, the dirty, unwashed, reeking, greedy and lazy farmers and craftsman who don't respect their betters. That the right never, ever supports any real grass roots, bottom-up movement against government and economic monstrosities only reinforces my belief that the republicans are orders of magnitude worse than islamo-fascist regimes and groupls. One nuke in this country and the mideast glows in the dark for the next half-million years. But republicans can destroy our country utterly, wrapped in a flag with bible in hand.

Amended Bill of Prattle | 2.14.12 @ 1:01PM

"This is why there is less than 3% of Nobel prize winners in all categories that are even remotely conservative"

~

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
(The Founding Fathers, Bill of Rights, Amendment I)

"The basic principle of American life is we try to respect religious beliefs, and accommodate them where we can"
(New York Times editorialist, two time Pulitzer prize winner, Rhodes scholar)

~

reason and experience:
intellectual honest wisdom of reality derived with logical, rational, analytical justification, based on awareness of accumulated knowledge understood through observations of life and the world, used to make persuasive judgements with good cause

emotional prattle:
intellectual dishonest meaningless nonsense lacking reality derived with illogical, irrational, unanalytical explanation, based on the ignorance of arbitrary feelings understood through the observations of life and the world, used to make foolish judgements with poor effect

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This is why there are 0% of liberals that are intelligent and honest based on reason and experience devoid of emotional prattle.

This is why there are 100% of liberals that are unintelligent and dishonest based on emotional prattle devoid of reason and experience.

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