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Another Perspective
Thank Him, Santorum!
A Limbaugh endorsement has been the secret weapon of yesterday’s big winner.
Remember Rick Santorum, the neb who finished a distant third in Florida ‘s king-making primary last week? There was a lot of buzz about him after that outcome, mostly speculation about whether he should walk off into the Sunshine State sunset. He had only one victory, in tiny Iowa, and even that one was retroactive, announced weeks after the voting. He had no money, no rich backers, no famous billionaires with comb-overs to offer him apprenticeships. And he definitely needed to lose that lame sweater vest.
The pundits wrote him off and I was prepared to accept their verdict… until the Limbaugh endorsement. Suddenly, Santorum has a head of steam and he is pulling ahead of his team of competitors. Minnesota minimizes Mitt! Missouri misses the Romney bus! Colorado colors in Santorum!
“Wait a second. What are you talking about? Everyone knows Rush Limbaugh does not endorse candidates!”
“I didn’t say he did. I was referring to the David Limbaugh endorsement.”
“HUH?!”
IT IS TRUE THAT RUSH LIMBAUGH has a long-standing practice of refraining to choose sides in primary elections. That is a good plan for a man who holds a position of public trust as an arbiter of a particular set of values. His job is to lay out principles that others can apply to life situations. If he starts telling people what to do, he becomes a private-sector version of big government: a know-it-all who figures out other people’s lives for them.
Every four years during the primaries season, people call in begging him to jump on one of the horses in the Republican race, and he wisely holds back.
This time around things are different. Barack Obama has lied about many things but he has been truthful in his terrifying Inauguration promise to “remake” America. It may be too late to undo much of the damage he has wrought but one thing is fairly certain: giving him another term will guarantee a legacy of deep systemic damage to this nation. The pressure was building on Rush to accept that this time was the exception that proves the rule. When Rome is burning, Nero cannot be fiddling.
Finally, on the eve of the Florida primary a woman caller propounded a novel approach. She said that listeners respected the constraints of convention and propriety that restricted his ability to announce a personal preference among the contenders. But how about this idea? How about if he would announce his brother David’s choice? Listeners would know what to do with that information, she promised.
Limbaugh chuckled and moved on to other conversations. But lo and behold, at the very end of the broadcast he reported that his brother has emailed him to the effect he would back Santorum. Nor did it end there. He began pointing out on a daily basis that every other major candidate in the race — Obama, Romney, Gingrich — had either instituted or advocated a health-insurance mandate at some point. Not only was he offering a provocative argument, he used the broadcaster’s skill to always end the presentation with the name of the candidate.
“The only candidate in the race who has not backed a mandate is… Santorum!”
This Tuesday, on the eve of the Colorado-Minnesota-Missouri trifecta, Limbaugh revisited this mantra, and I quote: “Santorum, of the conservatives remaining, is the one with the least baggage in terms of abandoning conservatism at times over his career.” The voters were listening. In Missouri, where Rush was born and David still lives, Santorum won 55-25! In Minnesota, a 45-17 romp over Romney; in Colorado, a tighter squeak. These are not only victories; they carry a big stick and speak very loudly indeed.
The Limbaugh-by-proxy endorsement has shaken things up and you can be sure the establishment honchos are hunched over in terror. The Republicans march toward Super Tuesday mindful of this message: “Yes, Virginia , there is a Santorum clause on the ballot.”
As for Mitt Romney, I respect him a great deal and his campaign has treated me with the utmost cordiality. All I can say to him right now is this: if at first you don’t succeed, you’re probably trying too hard.
About the Author
Jay D. Homnick, commentator and humorist, is a frequent contributor to The American Spectator. He also writes for Human Events. Here he speaks at the Rally for Religious Freedom in Miami on June 8, 2012.
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Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 2.8.12 @ 6:11AM
Santorum has zero chance at beating Obama. Case closed.
Clint| 2.8.12 @ 7:03AM
" President Barack Obama has a 52 to 43 percent lead over Republican Presidential hopeful Mitt Romney among all Americans, and a 51 to 45 percent lead among registered voters. The results in the new Washington Post-ABC News poll represent the first time the president has broken the 50 percent mark among registered voters."
The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To A Brokered Convention.
Occam's Tool| 2.8.12 @ 10:57AM
"Ron Paul gets kicked in the balls in 3 more states. Clint begs for his only chance of winning---cheating."
Slacker| 2.8.12 @ 3:06PM
I'd say Romney probably has the most tender balls today.
Clint| 2.8.12 @ 7:40PM
The Israel Firster Neo-Chickenhawk Coward Coat Holder, Tool Job Begs America Warriors To Do Israel's Fighting For Them And American Taxpayers To Pay For It.
The Tea Party Rebellion Heads To A Brokered Convention.
JmsA| 2.8.12 @ 10:59AM
Why do you believe, and even quote anything from the Washington Post or ABC News?
Doctor Right| 2.8.12 @ 5:24PM
...Thus speaks Jack in Wi's love-child by Burton K. Wheeler...
Occam's Tool| 2.8.12 @ 9:58PM
Dr R: no, by Senator Theodore Bilbo, I think. ;)
Paul Kotik| 2.8.12 @ 7:19AM
The most recent Rasmussen nationwide poll had Santorum beating Obama 49-48. That's not zero chance, chief.
Doctor Right| 2.8.12 @ 5:24PM
An orange-juice can would beat Obama next year.
RCV| 2.8.12 @ 6:27PM
Then maybe the GOP should think about nominating one...
Patrick| 2.8.12 @ 7:32PM
I was kinda hoping for voting for a pet rock, but I suppose that if the orange juice can has been around for 35 years, and it's against Obama, I'm in.
Jack in Wi.| 2.8.12 @ 7:26AM
I have always said the only people who were capable of beating Obama were Romney and Ron Paul. There was a Reuters AP poll out yesterday that showed the race as hopelessly splintered. Limbaugh is the Judas goat of the conservative movement. His whole job has been to keep the boobs in line. He is terrrific at it. I agree with Hussain. Santorum is unelectatable. The Neocons hate Ron Paul and have some problem with Romney. Perhaps they don't trust him to start a war with Iran. The only way the party could be re-united is for there to be good debates about the issues that this country faces. The only one with a program to confront these is Ron Paul. I have yet to see the others do anything but warmonger and demogog. No wonder the turn outs in the primaries have been pathetic. The Neocons have always been a cancer on the Party, that has to be finally excised.
Brian Mc| 2.8.12 @ 7:39AM
I resent the fact that you infer Rush listeners to be "boobs". And, if you want 'good debates' we must stop handing the questioning over to some liberal every time there are more than two conservatives facing those questions.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 2.8.12 @ 7:48AM
Santourm was a Medicare Part D supporter. That dwarfs Romneycare. Rush Limbaugh is wrong on that issue and Santorum is no conservative.
Ted| 2.8.12 @ 8:02AM
Mitt Romney is no conservative. A Romney nomination is an assured Second Obama Term.
Santorum may have supported Medicare Part D, but Romney brought socialized Medicine to Massachusetts. Romney is pro-choice no matter how he flip flops. Santorum has been pro-life consistently.
Santorum is very much a conservative. Not perfect, but conservative regardless.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 2.8.12 @ 8:06AM
Medicare Part D is a perfect example of bringing socialized medicine to us all.
Kade| 2.8.12 @ 8:09AM
Good point Bill.
Drunken Sailor| 2.8.12 @ 8:35AM
But obviously that doesn't seem to concern you as you seem to back Romney. So if they are equal in that regard what else do you have against Santorum?
Kade| 2.8.12 @ 9:03AM
I do not back Romney -- all three are RINOs. I am still scratching my head on who to vote for in my primary.
If the talk-radio guys would pledge to push a president Santorum to the right when he veers left he would be my first pick, but I am afraid they will carry his liberal water as they did GWB for 8 years.
We are so screwed.
PaulC| 2.8.12 @ 10:05AM
In my estimation, Romney supporters are wildly overestimating his chances against Obama. And of course they have to maintain, contrary to many polls, that all other Republican candidates have ZERO chance of beating Obama. We anybody-but-Romney types will continue to warn of the dangers of going with a RINO in this election. Let's hope our warnings are enough to overcome the suicidal Republican Establishment drive to saddle us with yet another in a long line of of nothing candidates.
Drunken Sailor| 2.8.12 @ 3:23PM
Kade,
I was asking Bill but appreciate your input. I fully understand where your coming from. It is a frustrating year.
jothepro| 2.8.12 @ 9:21AM
Rush was totally against Part D. He has said that it is more of a market driven program than anything a progressive would do. That is why liberals hated it. Plus the fact that Bush was a republican. Rush Limbaugh has done more for the conservative movement than anybody else has over his years on the radio.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 2.8.12 @ 9:33AM
And somehow Rush can't be wrong? I don't get that.
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 2.8.12 @ 9:43AM
Yes he has. But his take that Santorum is some kind of conservative is laughable.
Kade| 2.8.12 @ 10:46AM
Rush even admitted he carried GWB’s liberal water for 8 years and to this day he calls the liberal Bush a conservative. Rush and company in theory preach conservatism but in the real world enable RINOism and this is why the GOP is loaded with liberal Republican and candidates.
One of the reasons I was considering Romney is that the base will demand that the so-called conservative talkers keep Mitt’s feet to the conservative fire if he veers left as president. But with either Newt or Rick the talkers will cleverly cover for them if they go off the reservation fooling the base once again.
Al Adab| 2.8.12 @ 10:55AM
GWB is the perfect example, the poster boy if you will, of what happens when we choose, "the most conservatrive electable candidate". Are we serious in thinking that Romney even comes close to that? Bush was/is to the right of McCain and Romney.
In any event we should welcome the (potential) emergence of a more Conservative candidate in Santorum. Rush however missed the boat regarding the Eastwood ad. What I heard was a great Rockne speech, "we're down but we can fight. We can overcome our mistakes and regain the road to victory. Let's win one for the Gipper." That was the message and frankly the GOP should take that ad and run it to death until we do take back the game and bring Victory to our team.
carnot| 2.8.12 @ 8:48PM
it was an ad for a friggin car company that bilked taxpayers and creditors of millions....cmon now!
Doctor Right| 2.8.12 @ 5:13PM
I have always said you were deluded, anti-Semitic crank.
Ron Paul is NOT going to be the nominee.
Come to grips with reality.
RCV| 2.8.12 @ 6:35PM
I thought Ron Paul was going to do soooo well in the caucus states, where he could send his Paulbots, but even there he's failed to win a single contest. It's only his massive ego that keeps him going.
Clint| 2.8.12 @ 7:43PM
Obama Israel Firster LawBoy RCV Is Scared Of The Tea Party And Our Presidential Candidate Dr.Ron Paul.
The TeaParty Heads To A Brokered Convention.
Occam's Tool| 2.8.12 @ 10:01PM
Yes. Fear of Paul, the loser who never, ever wins. The least effective Congressman ever in the House of Representatives, whose only friends are Barney Frank and Dennis Kucinich. Ron Paul, who publishes racist newsletters for millions, then denies knowing anything about them. Yup. Accountability and skill. Ron Paul.
bull-gator| 2.8.12 @ 8:16AM
according to who? wait until after super tuesday to make any prognostications, please.
bull-gator| 2.8.12 @ 8:16AM
according to who? wait until after super tuesday to make any prognostications, please.
Walter White| 2.8.12 @ 8:18AM
Horseshit. Case still open.
Dixie Pixie| 2.8.12 @ 8:37AM
Bill....A cartoon coyote could win against Obama provided the candidate ran against Obama's record and constant lying.
But the RNC and Republican Elite refuse to do that as they do not disagree with Obama's policies, only who is dispensing the swag.
Al Adab| 2.8.12 @ 2:49PM
As you say Dixie. This is about the legitimacy of the social welfare state, not about who can manage it better.
Dixie Pixie| 2.8.12 @ 11:47PM
Well said...Al...well said.
Russel| 2.8.12 @ 10:38AM
Agree Bill , walk any city street and ask the average denizen what they thot of Santorum and you'd get a blank stare . Name recognition to start . Throw in apathy and ignorance and the promise of more freebies and Zero flies over the finish line . Take whatever poll you want , they don't get down into the trenches with the irresponsible voting populace .
carnot| 2.8.12 @ 8:50PM
we'll see. inform them of what is gonna happen next year when taxes go orbital and gas is nearing $5/gal and the picture begins to change.
Dai Alanye | 2.8.12 @ 10:57AM
Santorum is not only a far better conservative than Romney, he's also a better campaigner. Mitt doesn't win elections, he buys them, and against Obama his money won't be sufficient. Santorum, on the other hand, won four out of five uphill elections in a Dem-majority districts, and has now crushed Romney and his lackey in Pawlenty's home state.
Let’s face it, Romneyites — you have a weak and inauthentic candidate who couldn’t even take John McCain, a man conservatives despised. What chance is he likely to have against Obama and the news media? Unless Mitt is able to buy CBS or ABC he’ll be in mighty poor shape against Oprah’s Delight.
Romney is reduced to running around bragging about knowing nothing about Washington, as if ignorance was a benefit. He's pathetic in his own way, a man who can buy endorsements but who can't convince reluctant voters that he's a conservative. Only his business credits are keeping him afloat, and those have less application to government than his propaganda claims. It takes more than an ability to read a balance sheet to deal successfully with Congress.
PaulC| 2.8.12 @ 11:14AM
You make an extremely important point. Romney has a money advantage in the primaries that he certainly won't have in the general, and he doesn't seem able to win contests on his merits.
Al Adab| 2.8.12 @ 2:30PM
Well put Dai. I could not agree more. Romney should withdraw.
emilio lizardo, phD| 2.8.12 @ 3:51PM
Romney will be the nominee, get thrashed by BHO and the best that we can hope for is a majority in the House and Senate. Santorum is ridiculous, unelectable and simply the non-Romney flavor of the week- ala Perry, Cain and Gingrich- representing the deserved uneasiness the GOP Politburo has with Willard "Mitt" Romney
Alan Brooks| 2.8.12 @ 1:57PM
"A Limbaugh endorsement has been the secret weapon of yesterday's big winner."
Santorum's ONLY weapon; evidence, if any is needed, Rick Santorum will never be president of anything save for the Jaycees.
Doug| 2.8.12 @ 3:52PM
But I thought all Republicans were required to vote for the nominee regardless. At least that is what Romneyites keep telling everyone else. Or are you saying that Romneyites will stay home and let Obama win?
Occam's Tool| 2.8.12 @ 10:02PM
Hey, I'll only stay home for Ron Paul. He's the nominee, I vote for my GOP Senator and Congressman---and my wife for POTUS.
WRONG!| 2.9.12 @ 12:05AM
Say what?
"Yes, Virginia, there is a Santorum on the ballot."
I don't think Mr. J. HOmnick knows what he is writing.
RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO SANTORUM AT ALL on the Virginia State Primary Day March 6th (Super Tuesday) Ballot.
AND: Voters who would wish to cast a vote for him cannot write Santorum in. They might write his name down, but the ballot will never be counted.
Only Mittens and Paul are on the ballot.
The cheating and corruption reign in Virginia.
aware| 2.9.12 @ 6:22AM
The rules in Va. are the same for all and have been all along. The inability to get one's name on the ballot is completely the candidates' fault. What it should indicate is the lack of foresight and organization of those who didn't make it.
Crying foul at this late date is also an indication of a serious shortcoming in one of the most important leadership qualities, picking the right people who know what they are doing as your "team".
Those who can't compete by the known rules are always claiming foul and demanding they be changed. Like most of the hypersensitive whiners that overpopulate the nation wanting trophies for even the losers.
WRONG!| 2.10.12 @ 2:10AM
aware, 1. you clearly do not live in Virginia. 2. If somehow you do, you are woefully unaware of many facts that are not shared on this (for obvious reasons that would do a number of things to remove the statewide GOP leadership and to bring ridicule on the GOP for years to come)
This is a heap of cow herd manure that the Richmond GOP, NOVA GOP created. They are desperately hoping it will go unnoticed by the national media on March 6th.
Last point: You've never been involved in any campaign of even regional scale, have you? 50 states, the District, 7 U.S. Territories -- all voting from January through to June. All with different stipulations, requirements, forms, and state-wide leaders who want to be pandered to as they are the "gatekeepers" and "masterminds."
You miss the point: This has nothing to do with how inept or $450 million funded a campaign is with legions of staffers. It has to do with allowing the people/the voters to speak.
These decisions limit the one time a normal citizen may voice his opinion in a tangible way.
And this is tyranny.
Appleby| 2.8.12 @ 6:45AM
The play is not over yet. Still plenty of time for Mitt to buy the election and be defeated on your behalf.
POST American| 2.8.12 @ 7:26AM
"----Of ALLLL the NEO-con media out
there, only Michael Savage is --somewhat--
a GENUINE maverick [ie truth teller]."
-ALEX JONES
Emphasis on --'somewhat'--.
Hence ---Rush Limbaugh has NO
credibility beyond the yack hacks
establishment sick-O-phants.
NONE
In this, the 11th hour of the Globalist
RED China handover and TREASON OP
-----emphasis on ---'NONE'---.
aware| 2.9.12 @ 6:23AM
Yes.
Kade| 2.8.12 @ 7:27AM
I will vote for any of the 3 Republican front-runners, including Santorum since the stakes for our country are so high.
Rick will now be vetted and his record is Bush-like (liberal) and he was soft on immigration but both Limbaughs will hide his true record from the base. One poster reports that Santorum voted for illegals to have Social Security -- not sure if true but he now wants to cut Social security immediately for U. S. citizens.
This SS stance will hurt him badly in a general election and Rick better walk away from that quickly. There is so much other stuff to cut, like Big education, wasteful foreign aid, corporate welfare, Medicaid $ Medicare fraud and abuse, etc., and Rick zeroes in on seniors -- big mistake.
Dai Alanye | 2.8.12 @ 11:05AM
Santorum has been endorsed by Tom Tancredo, Mr Immigration himself. And as far as conservative credentials... Santorum's ratings during sixteen years in Congress:-
American Conservative Union -- 88%
National Right to Life Committee -- 100%
Americans for Tax Reform -- 95%
National Tax Limitation Committee -- 92%
U.S. Chamber of Commerce -- 88%
League of Private Property Voters -- 94%
I would not call that Bush-like, especially since he was against all of the bailouts.
Kade| 2.8.12 @ 11:58AM
You cannot just use these broad-base ratings and the Chamber of Commerce is very liberal on immigration.
It is true that Rick did not vote for TARP -- he was near election and they did not need his vote. But otherwise I believe on many issues he voted like Bush -- say on the Bush/Kennedy No Child Left Behind legislation. Maybe somebody can do a complete check. Is Rick talking about cutting Big Education – I am not sure?
That said I might vote for Santorum because of his conservative social views and more conservative campaign rhetoric, but we need to be honest about him in order to push him to the right
Jon| 2.8.12 @ 1:18PM
Sen. Santorum didn't vote either way on TARP. He lost his Senate seat in the 2006 election, and TARP wasn't passed until 2008.
Kade| 2.8.12 @ 1:57PM
Interesting. I thought Rick said repeatedly during the debates that he did not vote for TARP as if he were still in the Senate. But yes TARP was in 2008.
PCP Smoker| 2.8.12 @ 9:17PM
So what is it you are trying to say? He said he would have voted no. Who the fuck are you to say otherwise? You Romney fans need to get used to the fact that the ONLY people supporting Governor Mormon is the GOP and Conservative Elite. That's a small percent of the party.
glenny| 2.8.12 @ 4:36PM
Kade,
I have to agree w/ you. I'm supporting my Repub candidate for the nomination and hope he gets the nomination. However, I PROMISE to each and every one of these posters, WHOEVER gets the Repub nomination GETS MY VOTE IN NOVEMBER, no doubt whatsoever.
The stakes are WAY too high to allow Zero to have any 4 years. If Zero wins, I anticipate state and municipal bailouts (NY, NJ, IL, CA, NYC, Chicago, Los Angeles, etc) the likes of which we've never seen and CANNOT afford. As well, I anticipate the US will no longer be able to sustain $1 trillion+ deficits far into the future.
A Repub MUST win this Fall. Our collective futures depends on it.
glenny
PCP Smoker| 2.8.12 @ 9:19PM
A Ron Paul supporter? Your guy is not even on the radar screen. Maybe it's time to go back to supporting Dennis Kucinnich. Or perhaps it's time to relitigate the Civil War. Either one, just go away.
Occam's Tool| 2.8.12 @ 10:05PM
Kucinich's wife, like Ann Coulter, also would look good in a French maid costume receiving the Pledge Paddle of knowledge and illumination. How the hell did a scumbag like him ever land something (and she is a something, not a someone---no more brains than Jack in Wi.) that looks like that?
Lawrence of Lutz| 2.8.12 @ 7:47AM
The polls taken today will have no meaning in August and November. We have no idea what the political conditions will be in the Fall. "Damn the torpedos....full steam ahead". For you who look at the polls and say the election is over,remember, it ain't over 'til the votes in the electoral college are certified.
Appleby| 2.8.12 @ 7:52AM
Good thinking. Review the newspapers on September 10, 2001 and ask yourself if anything in them mattered a single damn on September 11.
Al Adab| 2.8.12 @ 3:25PM
Yes and the electoral votes of FL, VA, NC and Ohio will determine the outcome. Obama margin of victory was 70 and those four, which he carried in '08, have 75 between them. Which GOP nominee can win those? That is all that matters.
obadiah| 2.8.12 @ 3:45PM
You're going to get in big trouble saying things like that in here. People want to hear about abortion, Rush Limbaugh and birth certificates. Real facts are definitely not welcome.
Doug| 2.8.12 @ 4:00PM
There are also about 7-8 other states that include PA, CO, NM.
W| 2.8.12 @ 5:42PM
Al Adab
Romney won big in Florida and Santorum did not even compete in Florida. Our best bet to win these states is Romney, Santorum, Newt, in that order.
Occam's Tool| 2.8.12 @ 10:06PM
Well, I think Rick can with the aid of a VEEP named West or Rubio.
aware| 2.9.12 @ 6:38AM
Both of which voted for NDAA. Which I'm sure is supported by good little fascists like you, Il Duce.
Tanguera| 2.8.12 @ 8:14AM
IMHO, Michelle Malkin -- a very consistent conservative (unlike, well, Ann) -- made a bg difference. And Michelle itemized Rick's issues with which she has problems within her endorsement.
I think it is this simple: If so many people are fighting over who is the most conservative -- suggesting"conservatism works" -- then the only condidate remotely trustworthy in that regard is Santorum.
Bold differences, not pale pastels. Mitt jumped the shark with anti-Newt ads; wonder if he is out of touch enough to do the same to Santorum.
And as far as Santorum's record of having lost Pennsylvania by 16 in '06, as someone wrote: "Two words: Philadelphia and Pittsburgh". (Think vote fraud as the intent.) Funny how the strong, courageous, conservative politicians always -- somehow -- get hounded out of office one way or another. Think George Allen. The far Left is so, so much better at its vision thing.
Trish| 2.8.12 @ 6:10PM
Bold differences are a must this time. The Tea Party base will not be energized without them and the repubs cannot win without an energized TP.
wodiej| 2.8.12 @ 8:19AM
Santorum has been untouched for vetting. When Romney goes after him as he will, Santorum's numbers will go down again. The good part is the meme that Romney is the most electable keeps getting watered down. Voters can't decide which means Romney is not their preferred choice.
Ron Paul is good on fiscal matters but his foreign policy is unacceptable. I also think at almost 78 , he's too old to be president. He might be good in a cabinet position for monetary policy.
Romney is a liberal-'nuff said.
I don't really care if Gingrich or Santorum are 100% conservative-neither of them are btw. I also do not care how many years Gingrich spent in Congress. In fact this year I think of that as an advantage. We truly need someone like him who knows Congress inside and out. He got alot of conservative legislation passed while fighting a very stubborn and Democratic Bill Clinton in the WH. The bottom line is it doesn't matter one whit who is perceived as a better Christian. What matters is who is best to get our country back on track. And Santorum just does not have what it takes.
Doctor Right| 2.8.12 @ 5:15PM
"Santorum has been untouched for vetting."
Yeah...whatever.
I'd like to see Mitt go after Santorum, because Mitt is target-rich territory and Santorum knows it.
Bob K.| 2.8.12 @ 8:22AM
Mr. Homnick,
First thing I did was watch you on you-tube with your guitar.
Don't quit your day job!
CD File| 2.8.12 @ 8:46AM
Since when was RP ever involved with the individual mandate or any other that Santorum actually does?
W| 2.8.12 @ 8:54AM
Obama's attack on the Catholic Church, and all other relgious institutions, helped Santorum because the voters in the caucuses are the active religious conservatives, and Obama's regulation focused the attention on the free exercise of religion. This favored Santorum because he is the most overtly religious social conservative.
Rick's wins is good for the primary. It draws a sharp distinction between Rick and Obama and will force Romney to be more conservative. It is bad news for Newt.
Al Adab| 2.8.12 @ 2:14PM
Apparently the site is up and working again.
The Left abandoned moral absolutes long ago. Standing for principle is so difficult that choosing moral relativism and hedonism becomes easy.
W| 2.8.12 @ 2:47PM
Al Adab
We have cafeteria Catholics and cafeteria Jews who pick and choose what they like. They like the cultural aspects of the religions but not the rest. We also have situational ethics. Remember the song, "Different Strokes for different folks."
Al Adab| 2.8.12 @ 3:27PM
"The unexamined life is not worth living."
Too many drift and follow the leader.
Joseph Dooley | 2.8.12 @ 8:55AM
The state win totals are now:
Santorum: 4
Romney: 3
Gingrich: 1
Paul: 0
I hope Gingrich sees the writing on the wall and pulls out by Super Tuesday to coalesce the conservatives our Santorum.
Dai Alanye | 2.8.12 @ 11:12AM
I suggest that Romney suspend his campaign, and let the conservatives in the contest fight it out.
Al Adab| 2.8.12 @ 2:16PM
Absolutely agree. Have we not followed the accomodationist GOP to defeat often enough? Dirksen told Tom Dewey that.
This is about the legitimacy of the social welfare state, not about who can manage it better.
Trish| 2.8.12 @ 6:16PM
Al, how often do I disagree with you? So far, never.
Occam's Tool| 2.8.12 @ 10:18PM
Well, in the Frank Herbert Dune Universe, Adab was "The demanding memory that forced itself upon you."
You can see why I thought your name was so cool, Al. And you do fairly well, even talking civilly with john786, which I cannot do. (My skills are more with Evangelical Christians, whom I happen to like and respect.) It also refers to a book of manners, I believe.
And that's why you like him so much, Trish. Man's name is a true mirror of a decent soul.
Bill| 2.8.12 @ 9:35AM
Santorum kicked ass.
Romney is derailed, and will never recover.
Gingrich is fading away.
Ron Paul is DONE. He needs to end his campaign.
Obama is nervous! If Santorum gets the GOP nod, he'll carry PA, too bad for Obama.
RCV| 2.8.12 @ 2:24PM
Santorum couldn't even carry PA last time he ran!
Bill| 2.8.12 @ 2:25PM
We kicked their asses in the 2010 mid-term election. You just forgot.
Trish| 2.8.12 @ 6:18PM
How quickly memories fade. We kicked ass and will again.
W| 2.8.12 @ 2:57PM
Santorum had everybody angry in 2006.
Conservatives were upset because he supported Arlen Specter in the Republican primary in 2004. Santorum did it at the request of Bush who wanted Specter on the Judiciary for Alito and Roberts.
Moderates and liberals were angry at Bush because of the Iraq and Afghan wars, and Santorum was a solid Bush follower and vote.
In the governor race the Reps ran a weak candidate, Lynn Swann, the Steeler great wide receiver, but Fast Eddie Rendell won big. Interesting, Swann was the first black to run for Pa governor, a historic event, but the media just did not see or report it as historic as it did with the Dem Obama. And as Rev Al pointed out Obama isn't even a descendant of the black American slaves. But Swann is.
Rick also ran against Bob Casey Jr., son of Bob Casey, who had been one of our most popular governor. Casey Sr. was strongly pro life and was barred by Bubba's crew from speaking at the 1992 convention. Casey Jr. ran as pro life and pro gun, thus removing Santorum's strongest factor: the pro life vote.
W| 2.8.12 @ 3:01PM
P.S
The Dems also ran a smear that Rick had the PennHills School District, where he owned a house, pay for his children's education, charter or cyber school expenses, who were living in the DC area. It was accurate and legal but the Dems played it as if it were illegal. I am sure this will come up again.
Doug| 2.8.12 @ 4:02PM
And how many other Republican congreemen lost in 2006?
RCV| 2.8.12 @ 6:43PM
...and how many of those that lost are running for President?
PCP Smoker| 2.8.12 @ 9:14PM
Romney lost by 18 points to Ted Kennedy. He was so bad, he did not even bother running for governor the second time around. Dumbshit.
Occam's Tool| 2.8.12 @ 10:19PM
2008 with the Obama landslide, RCV. Try being fair. Toomey won in 2010.
Hobbes| 2.8.12 @ 10:00AM
Limbaugh and Palin and Fox News have set the conservative movement back decades with their shallow, anti-intellectual populist rants. Stop taking these clowns seriously. Do not allow them to down dumb the serious debate we should be having.
Skippy| 2.8.12 @ 1:33PM
Limbaugh and Palin and Fox News have been the most consistent voices of conservatism for the last three years.
Hobbes has been a nattering nabob of negativism since he first started posting on AmSpec.
Al Adab| 2.8.12 @ 2:20PM
The Conservative Movement is the foremost political intellectual movement in the nation today. That it fosters debate proves the point and that so many adhere to its tenents is a positive thing. We must be careful that it not be watered down as so many who clain to be "Conservative" yet accept the legitimacy of the welfare state tend to do, That is one reason we are so often disappointed by those who gain election.
BTW, love the Spiro Agnew quote.
W| 2.8.12 @ 3:13PM
Spiro also said, "if you've seen one slum, you've seen them all" in refusing a request to do the usual political photo ops in cities to show your concern.
Al Adab| 2.8.12 @ 3:29PM
W:
If only Nixon had named Goldwater VP instead of Ford who in turn named (gag) Rockefeller. This is the legacy of the Romneyesque GOP.
W| 2.8.12 @ 4:15PM
Al Adab
I don't know if the DemCongress would have confirmed Barry.
LBJ ran one of the most dishonest dirty campaigns against Goldwater. He accused Barry of wanting to expand the war in Vietnam, and promised he would not send American boys to fight a war Asian boys should fight. Imagine a president doing that!
LBJ has to be one of the worst presidents ever, from the Vietnam war to the imposition of the nanny state.
Al Adab| 2.8.12 @ 4:39PM
W:
I believe the Senate, even the Dem one of the time, would have confirmed "one of their own" as those days were among the last of gentlemanly poitical debate.
Al Adab| 2.8.12 @ 4:39PM
PS, maybe there is a Harry Turtledove book in there somewhere.
RCV| 2.8.12 @ 6:47PM
The chances of Nixon naming Goldwater were nil. Nixon had nary a libertarian bone in his body: wage and price controls, abandonment of Taiwan, EPA, the list goes on. Nixon's driving force in life was to be respected by those he felt inferior to, i.e. Eastern intellectuals and celebrities. Rockefeller was his natural choice.
W| 2.8.12 @ 7:49PM
Nixon selected Ford. Ford selected Rockefeller after Nixon resigned.
Nixon was complex, but he hated Rockefeller. I think he had no choice but to select Ford because he was informed by the Congressional leaders that they would approve Ford.
Agnew, in his autobiography, charged that Nixon forced him out to try to appease the Democrats so they would drop the Watergate investigations. Giving the Dems a body.
Agnew had taken cash from contractors for awarding public works projects which he claimed was a long standing practice in Maryland. Not that it was right, but if it was a long standing practice, why bring up the charge during the investigation of Nixon.
Who knows, but interesting.
RJ| 2.9.12 @ 1:44AM
As I recall, Nixon really wanted to nominate John Connolly, but there was no chance of the Democrats going along with that. Probably a lot of Republicans, eying the White House in 76 would have worked against it too. At one point, many of the Democrats insisted that the nominee had to be someone who had no chance or interest in being elected President. Ford was approved because they knew him, liked him and they thought of him only as a Presidential caretaker.
Hobbes| 2.8.12 @ 4:15PM
Consistently asinine, you mean. Conservatism used to be an intellectual movement, now it's a third-rate populist movement headed by FOX news and talk show yahoos. And you call me negative? When has Limbaugh ever said one positive thing? I'll tell you when...never. But that's okay, 'cause he says what the fish want to hear.
florin| 2.8.12 @ 3:26PM
I agree Hobbes...Limbaugh especially dumbs down any debate because he spews hatred and animosity. He wants Republicans and Democrats to hate each other, to consider themselves enemies...and why, because that's the way he makes his living. There is no way this country can move forward without good men and women of both parties...we do not want compromise on essential value principles but there are areas where we can find a way to work together but Limbaugh will have none of that...his hateful, self-absorbed rants will, hopefully, take him out of business..I used to like him but listening to his grandiose statements and hateful comments just turn me off...should we have another Civil War? Is this where Limbaugh would have us go? Please turn him off before you become corrupted and close yourself off to any opinion other than your own..
Tanguera| 2.8.12 @ 4:35PM
I'm afraid you lost what credibility you might have had when you referred to his "hateful comments" after claiming you used to like him. Sorry, Buddy. You should have known better than to try to sell that line here. Rush is very well liked *because* he stays positive -- and honest!
PCP Smoker| 2.8.12 @ 9:13PM
Like anyone gives a fuck what you write about. You are not even a conservative. Go away, your mother needs a dildo.
Mac| 2.11.12 @ 8:12PM
Why stop there. Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Mark Levin, Michael Savage. They tear the party apart.
Bob Grant| 2.8.12 @ 10:29AM
Folks,
True, he was one of those "Compassionate Conservatives" who were in vogue circa early 2000's, however, if you look at his history before GW Bush (the father of Compassionate Conservatism), you'll see a solid conservative record.
We all deserve second chances and with his lesson learned in '06, I believe he would go back to his conservative roots.
Butch| 2.8.12 @ 3:32PM
Give us hope, Bob. I have heard that the sitting President (Bush, in this case) is going to be the leader of the party, period. Bush pushed the party to the left on social issues. My guess is he was trying for "electability" following conventional wisdom. All good "party men," including Santorum, were supposed to go along (Part D, No Child, Specter). I would be pleased if some of his 2001-06 votes could be considered exceptions to the rule.
Richard Baker| 2.8.12 @ 10:59AM
Clever of Rush to use his brother's endorsement to re-iterate conservative principles. Obviously, the two of them don't speak much, do they? Good old Rush Limbaugh keeps 'em guessing, doesn't he?
PCP Smoker| 2.8.12 @ 9:11PM
What are you baking? Rush read the endorsement on the air? Listen much? Try doing it before posting.
Mac| 2.11.12 @ 8:15PM
didn't Rush and Ann Coulter in the last election say that the republicans should register as democrats to vote for Hillary. Look what we got Obama. Suppose that is what they want this time.
JimH| 2.8.12 @ 11:07AM
I guess this was like Sarah’s husband endorsing Newt. Don’t get me wrong, I like Rush, though I do wonder what it means if it takes an implicit endorsement from El Rushbo for all those rugged individualist, independent minded conservatives to make up their minds on who to vote for.
RJ| 2.8.12 @ 11:14AM
It seems like every one in the media wants to pin Rush down with an endorsement. Rush's strength is that he represents the views of most of his listeners; he doesn't form their opinions or tell them what to think. In this race, as is his practice, he has stayed away from promoting a candidate and has simply commented on them as they have discussed various issues. Santorum is doing well because the base doesn't want Romney, Newt has damaged himself, and Santorum has done well in the debates. It looks like people are deciding Santorum is the best choice we have; they are not voting based on anyone's endorsement.
Hr| 2.9.12 @ 12:24AM
RJ, I have to agree with you. While I might get to hear Rush about once every two weeks for about 15 minutes when in the car speeding off to a quick errand or next work assignment, Rush sure does not inform me as to how to think or whom to prefer.
Most people are gravitating to Santorum because it is just so obvioius that the lousy left wing of the Republican Party wants Mitt R. and that the media like Mitt R.
Let's face it, I'm smarter than all the punditry you'll hear for the next 60-90 days. (Ha!)
Those two factors make people turn to someone like Rick Santorum and they start to like a lot of things that they see in him.
Rush's little asides or comments here or there largely go unnoticed. LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN: Rush's little asides (same as Hannity's, Ingram's, Levin's, O'Reily's, Bork's, Savage's, etc., etc., etc) go unnoticed. They all, frankly, get rather tiresome rather fast. They are only interesting once or twice in a 3-hour broadcast. Most of what they offer up sounds like something they could have said 4, 9, 14, or 18 months ago.
People are busy; real people lead real lives and are not glued to any of the pundits.
The main thrust of the article is that Rush matters. Uh -- no. He don't.
People will migrate to Rick Santorum because, frankly, the other three suck.
RJ| 2.9.12 @ 1:47AM
Hi Hr,
I enjoy listening to Rush and he is the first to say that his audience is not comprised of mind-numbed robots. Too bad the media can't learn that themselves.
Chef Schnauzer| 2.8.12 @ 12:52PM
They are a remarkable pair of brothers, aren't they?
My thanks and hats off to both.
PCP Smoker| 2.8.12 @ 9:10PM
They are remarkable family. His dad, a hardcore conservative, was a P51 flyer in the China Burma India theater. One good damn reason to drill conservatism into your kids.
David| 2.8.12 @ 1:11PM
I really thought most of the posters on this site who claim to be conservative had more on the ball than this. After the arguments for whichever candidate we all supported, and I think some of us made the absolutely best case for Santorum, it took DAVID LIMBAUGH to wake up conservatives.
You people really don't think for yourselves, do you?
And to those of you who ONLY arguments against supporting Santorum were that he can't be elected and he doesn't have the money, are you now ready to stand behind him and send him a few bucks. Screw that "he can't win crap".
Bill| 2.8.12 @ 2:24PM
42 states yet to go! The GOP contest is far from over. I'm predicting a brokered convention, in which Santorum will prevail over Romney.
GOP Ticket:
President: Rick Santorum
VP: Mitch Daniel
AG: Rudy Giuliani
Secretary of State: John Bolton
Treasury: Michelle Bachmann
Defense: Aleen West
Doug| 2.8.12 @ 4:05PM
I predict a brokered convention with none of the 4 current candidates on the ticket at all.
Al Adab| 2.8.12 @ 4:42PM
Treasury: Steve Forbes - Bachman for Health HS dept. In those agencies I favor the contrarian approach. Let those who (rightly) dispute the validity of the agency manage it.
RJ| 2.8.12 @ 6:17PM
A great plan, Al Adab,
Let's put Ron Paul as head of the Fed; Rick Perry as Secretary of Education, until it closes, then he can be named as Secretary of Energy. It would be a great plan.
PCP Smoker| 2.8.12 @ 9:08PM
How about we put you in the toilet. Do you spend (aka waste) a lot of time thinking of cabinet positions? Moron.
darcy| 2.8.12 @ 10:23PM
AG: Andrew McCarthy
Mitch Daniels is doing just fine in Indiana.
obadiah| 2.8.12 @ 2:42PM
Limbaugh loves to make mischief. It feeds his ego. Operation Chaos to make mischief with democrats. Endorse Santorum to make mischief with republicans. Portray Little Ricky Tag-Along as the true Conservative. Why care about consequences -- just keep Limbaugh in control.
florin| 2.8.12 @ 3:22PM
Feb. 8th...Limbaugh went on and on and on today about how he is being 'credited' for Santorum's win. Of course he says this bothers him but it seems to me that Limbaugh is so eager to hear his name mentioned that he does not care whether it's in a positive or in a negative way. When he says he is a god, the most essential human being ever created, etc., he sounds not only like gingrich but also like Obama. I used to think Limbaugh was joking but now I believe he really believes grandiose things about himself - and he urges hatred between Americans. he gets furious when Republicans want to try to work together with honorable democrats for the good of the country..there are good and honorable men and women in both parties and they absolutely need to work together whenever they can for the good of the american people...but if all went well, Limbaugh would have nothing to rant and rave about and would lose his pulpit radio show...he needs to get off his high horse and stop playing kingmaker and then denying it..he 'supported' Romney, then gingrich and then Santorum...he's trying to find which is going to be the winning team. Until then, he'll spread his 'support'...
Kade| 2.8.12 @ 3:39PM
Dittos florin. Rush is hedging his bets for sure. He is like one of those moderates he always criticizes who cant make up their mind.
Rush is for Rush, not the good of the country and he hurts not helps conservatism.
PCP Smoker| 2.8.12 @ 9:06PM
Kade, you are full of shit. Probably so full, your mother must be shit too. Rush DOES NOT ENDORSE. Period. End of fucking argument. Rush has done more for conservatism that a pathetic puke like you. Go fuck yourself.
BackToBasics| 2.8.12 @ 3:44PM
Santorum is Catholic and although I don't think they did an exit poll of Catholic voters, it would be interesting to see if Obam's push of birth control on Catholic and other private institutions affected the vote in these 3 primaries in a significant way.
Bob S| 2.8.12 @ 4:15PM
We'll repeat the obvious again.
The only candidate who hasn't backed the Big Govt. Establishment mandates for more warfare and welfare is Paul.
End of story.
Mittnewtorum doesn't t stand a chance against Geo. W. Obama.
Garfield| 2.8.12 @ 4:39PM
Uh Rush didn't endorse Santorum, he hasn't endorsed anyone.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/da.....torum_wins
I'm a Gingrich supporter, but I'm happy Romney got clobbered.
Kelsonus| 2.8.12 @ 5:00PM
No one ever said Santorum didn't have Conservative credentials
But where are the big ideas its going to take to get the US out of this mess?
Now that he's won, how will he stand up to the impending negative ads and the microscopic vetting?
Not well I'll wager
PCP Smoker| 2.8.12 @ 9:04PM
He'll do well. He won't go off on some tangent about "vulture capitalism" or blame him for having Fannie Mae stock on his blind trust, or attack him for "wanting to get rid of illegal alien grandmas."
He'll take him on Romneycare. He'll take him on an index minimum wage. He'll take him on abortion and gay marriage. RINOS are easy to beat, at least with the right caliber and the right rifle.
PCP Smoker| 2.8.12 @ 9:02PM
Limbaugh did not endorsed him. Mark Levin did. Limbaugh is not taking credit for this, and Rick has nothing to be thankful for. Santo worked hard and did what, for some reason, no one else has done during the campaign: Take Romney directly, in a serious manner, on Romneycare. He, and the other CINO pukes at the American Spectator (Antle, Kashitsky, Tyrell,etc.) might have thought Romney's "nothing to get angry about" line was cute, but a lot of us did not. We need to keep blooding Romney until Jerold Loughner can finish him off.
W. James Antle III | 2.12.12 @ 6:10PM
Um, I actually criticized him for the "nothing to get angry about" line and have repeatedly criticized him on health care. Put down the PCP.
David| 2.8.12 @ 9:14PM
I hope all of you folks who would not or could not support Santorum for the reason that "he could not win" or that "he does not have the money" will now reconsider and send the man a few bucks. He can win and will have the best chance of beating Obama.
Santorum will provide the greatest contrast with Bam Bam.
Remember, Newt, Mitt, and Barack all hold the following positions.
They believe in man-caused global warming baloney, and the regulations and restrictions that have resulted from such thinking. Santorum does not.
They supported the Wall Street bailouts. Santorum did not.
They support and/or supported individual mandates for health insurance. Santorum never has.
They all criticized Paul Ryan's plan to get our fiscal house in order. Santorum embraced it.
Santorum is of the opinion that ILLEGAL immigrants have not broken ONE law (by crossing the border) as many claim, but that they have continually been breaking America's laws by working here, driving here, etc., and should NOT be rewarded for doing so.
Santorum does not have the political baggage of Mitt, and does not have the political, personal, and temperamental baggage of Newt.
Santorum cannot be accused of being a flip-flopper.
Santorum cannot be accused of telling people what they want to hear.
Santorum cannot be accused of stating his positions based on the particular audience in front of him at the time.
It is clear that Santorum has been the adult in this race. His criticisms have been on the other candidates' records and he does not distort or misrepresent their records as they do to one another.
It is also clear that he has been the true, principled, consistent conservative his entire politcal career.
Sure there is Specter, but because he was there on the judiciary committee, we got Roberts and Alito on the court.
Sure he voted against the National Right to Work Act 17 years ago while running for a senate seat in heavily union PA. He has repeatedly said he would support a national right to work law as president.
I believe him. I do not believe what Newt and Mitt says. That is a huge difference and it Santorum will win the trust of enough voters to defeat Bam Bam.
HH| 2.9.12 @ 12:13AM
David,
Keep sharing. In a group of remaining men that don't leave much room for soulfelt fervor, Santorum perhaps is the man who can rise to moment.
Your statements above are correct.
Let us pray that God's hand is upon Rick Santorum He'll need it. And we'll need him to do what's needed doing in our nation for the last 25 years.
He needs to understand that he must be ready for this task.
This is not about ego, history, positions, power, or get even moments. This is about service.
somnolence| 2.8.12 @ 10:13PM
Santorum isn't even on the ballot in five upcoming states and will have money problems galore, as Christine O'Donnell gathered in more cash in two days than he has. He has a paper trail he can't deny from the Senate. Good luck in upsetting Mitt, as you will most definitely need it. Romney WILL BE the next President.
PaulC| 2.9.12 @ 2:30PM
He'll more likely be the latest Republican nominee to go down in flames, following Dole and McCain. I very much doubt he'll be the next President.
Occam's Tool| 2.8.12 @ 10:22PM
RCV, the next time you answer one of my posts, could you give me a good kid's intro to the Constitution? I'd respect your recommendation.
J.C.Eaton| 2.9.12 @ 1:48AM
Tool, I don't mean to intrude, merely offering a hopefully helpful recommendation: Bright youngsters[and adults capable of healthy amusement ] would enjoy"The Constitution of the United States of America". Inscribed and illustrated by Sam Fink. Volume is published byWelcome Books, 6West 18th St.NY,NY. www.welcomebooks.com Beautifully configured and illustrated. Just a friendly suggestion.
Stu| 2.8.12 @ 11:01PM
Santorum's sins(voting for prescription drugs,earmarks,supporting Specter)pale in comparison to Romneycare or Newt's immigration plans.
As an aside,someone mentioned that Santorum voted to allow illegals to collect ss. For anyone that remembers,that was in order to defeat the 2006 Bush-Kennedy-McCain Amnesty. I believe Jim DeMint and others followed suit.
POST American| 2.8.12 @ 11:04PM
"When our people in government
are calling for abolition of the Constitution,
or the bringing in of world government,
or extra-national (ie UN) authority
over the Consititution they have committed
---------------HIGH TREASON--------------
-----------------------HIGH TREASON!"
-ALEX JONES
(yesterday)
--THINK Bush Sr., the Clintons, Bush Jr.,
---the 'BAR-Rockefeller Obamas' ---and ALLLL
their minnions.
WHY ALEX JONES is now chasing #1.
------------THE REPUBLIC HAS FALLEN------------
--GLOBALISM and EUGENICS stand at the helm--
--------WE ARE DEALING WITH TREASON--------
The author -- he's wrong| 2.9.12 @ 12:08AM
Say what?
"Yes, Virginia, there is a Santorum on the ballot."
I don't think Mr. J. Homnick knows what he is writing.
RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO SANTORUM AT ALL on the Virginia State Primary Day March 6th (Super Tuesday) Ballot.
AND: Voters who would wish to cast a vote for him cannot write Santorum in. They might write his name down, but the ballot will never be counted.
Only Mittens and Paul are on the ballot.
The cheating and corruption reign in Virginia.
Maybe Homnick is doing the "Yes, Virginia there is a Santa Claus," thing, but he should have thought twice about that line.
The state of Virginia's removal of all the GOP candidates except just Paul & Romney is tantamount to Moscow Mafia run electioneering. You do live in Orwell's 1984 world.
patroness| 2.9.12 @ 12:20AM
Saintorum ~ an army of one;)
somnolence| 2.9.12 @ 6:27AM
Santorum SUPPORTED Romneycare vocally when it first came out. Romney will also remind him of that along with the mandates, he, Rick supported. One man's excess does not surpass another. Lack of organizational skills along with a lack of finances hamper Santorum's campaign, although he is currently the best alternative to Romney in the current field.
Garfield| 2.9.12 @ 11:34AM
Trying to hang Obamneycare on Santorum and Gingrich is rather laughable. They may have entertained the theory of an individual mandate, but they never put it into practice, and after seeing how destructive Obamacare is, they are staunchly opposed to an individual mandate. Romney still supports Obamneycare.
somnolence| 2.9.12 @ 5:28PM
That is what the citizens of Massachusetts wanted at the time and he followed through. He has articulated the fact that it is within the realm of the states to decide. It is laughable, Garfield, that you dismiss the desires of Gingrich and Santorum to have wanted it at the national level, with Gingrich working closely with the Heritage Foundation to bestow it on us. BTW this argument that Romney can't get over 25% average is false on its face as the rest of the field can't average that either. I also don't support mandated health care, but I will concede this: Obamacare just MIGHT work well for me in my situation------I'm retired, my only "income" is savings, my tax bracket isn't in the uppper echelon, and I'm in good health. So, I would be among those only signing up when I got sick, and I would surely pay the fine before the premium. Employers will eventually assign their employees to the program rather than pay that $2,000. I hope that SCOTUS strikes it down, but something on similar lines is inevitable. Just my wife and me with household income under $70,000, and she qualifies for Medicare in another year, no I could swing Obamacare, although it is hateful to my core values.