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The Obama Watch
Civil Disobedience in Obama’s Second Term
The religious should march on this unjust presidency.
Some of Barack Obama’s useful idiots on the Catholic center/left say that his decree forcing religious organizations to pay for contraceptives amounts to a betrayal. No, it is not. Candidate Obama had telegraphed his plans to discriminate against the religious. Were Cardinal Mahony and company too busy burbling over “hope and change” to pay attention? You made Obama’s bed; now lie in it.
And let’s not kid ourselves: they will lie in it, even if a few of them have mumbled in recent days some words about “civil disobedience.” Whatever civil disobedience materializes in the future, it will not come from these worldly weasels — who don’t even consider artificial birth control a mortal sin anyways — but from orthodox priests and nuns uncowed by the state.
The ambitious sophist Doug Kmiec, before receiving his plum ambassadorial assignment to Malta, declared Obama a great friend of the Catholic Church. In a grotesque farce beyond the satirical imagination of Tom Wolfe, academics and administrators at Notre Dame, panting after the approval of the chosen one, gave him an honorary law degree. The obtuse semi-official newspaper of the Vatican, L’Osservatore Romano, liked the cut of Obama’s jib too, pooh-poohing criticism of him as mere alarmism from Catholic yahoos in the States.
All the while Obama had made his secularist, anti-Catholic bigotry clear. A Health and Human Services order requiring most Catholic and religious employers to pick up the tab for their employees’ sterilizations, birth control pills, and dashes for “emergency” contraceptives flows from the logic of this bigotry.
After all, as candidate Obama said in several speeches, religion is nothing more than a private and often odd “opinion,” whereas secularism belongs to the privileged realm of “reason.” For those scoring at home, this meant that Obama’s understanding of what liberals call the “separation of Church and state” — a phony concept and phrase nowhere found in the U.S. Constitution — would entitle him as president to separate God and religious freedom from public life.
In one of his memoirs, Obama uses the Old Testament story of Abraham and Isaac to argue that secularism equals “reason” and religion equals crazy caprice. It was an odd example for a proponent of near-infanticide to cite. Unlike Abraham, who in the end put the knife down, Obama’s subsidized butchers at Planned Parenthood keep theirs in daily use. But Obama proceeded with the analogy anyways, summing up his sermon on the superiority of secularism to religion by writing that the “best we can do is act in accordance with those things that are possible for all of us to know.”
In other words, the lowest-common-denominator wisdom with which to organize public life should come from secularists. The logical upshot of this position is that in every nook and cranny of public life secularists will call the shots and the religious will be expected to submit.
Over the last fifty years or so, the bishops, desperate for approval in our “pluralistic” society and waffling in their faith, have largely accepted secularism’s monopolistic ordering of society. Have I missed the battle? asks the craven son of Marcus Aurelius in the movie Gladiator. “You missed the war,” Marcus Aurelius replies. The ineffectual squeaking from Mahony and company deserves a similarly acid response.
Obama likes to say that he is not at “war with Islam.” This is true; he is not. But he is in a culture war with Christianity — a war that a few brave orthodox bishops and Christians have been fighting for decades. It is long past time that they march on this godless presidency. Dare this secularist bigot to enforce his violation of religious freedom.
The bishops have spent a great deal of the Church’s treasure on ignoble lawsuits, paying off the victims of pedophile priests. Obama’s gestating secularist tyranny gives them an occasion to spend the faithful’s funds on noble lawsuits for once.
What would Obama do if millions of Catholics, Jews, and Evangelicals practiced civil disobedience against Obamacare? It might shock him enough to sign a law from Congress rescinding the order. Then again, he might, if he escapes into the safety of a second term, dig in. He made sure to delay the order’s binding effect until after the November election.
Obama’s cynicism is impressive. He could have selected open pagans as his agents of anti-Catholic destruction. Instead, he found Catholics like Kathleen Sebelius and Joe Biden to do the dirty work. That’s a nice touch. And let’s not forget that these Catholics have received the blessing of Cardinal Mahony and his friends. Recall the petition signed by Catholic academics defending Sebelius during her confirmation hearings; recall Cardinal Mahony’s invocation at the 2000 Democratic National Convention in Los Angeles to which a young and rising Obama traveled.
Mitt Romney, by the way, is no guaranteed savior in this scenario. Proof of his pro-life ambivalence is that after his supposed conservative conversion he supported a law in the Bay State that bullied Catholic hospitals into giving rape victims abortifacients. He, too, supported the secularist monopoly over public life — a monopoly that, until it is busted by civil disobedience and a deep change in the culture, will make assaults on religious freedom unceasing and inevitable.
About the Author
George Neumayr, a contributing editor to The American Spectator, is co-author, with Phyllis Schlafly, of the new book, No Higher Power: Obama’s War on Religious Freedom.
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FREEDOM_NOT_SLAVERY| 2.3.12 @ 6:33AM
FIRST OF ALL, ARTIFICIAL BIRTH CONTROL, ISNT WRONG! 2ND. GET OUR WOMBS OUT OF THE CONVERSATION. IF EVERY TOPIC, YOU JUMPED OVER THE FIRST MAIN FACT, OF COURSE YOU WIN THE ARGUMENT FALSELY. THE GOVT DOESNT HAVE THE RIGHT TO OWN OUR WOMB, USE IT POLITICALLY, OR CORRRUPT THE FIRST MAIN FACT, THAT WE OWN OUR OWN BODIES!!! IF MEN GOT PREGNANT?? IT WOULD NEVER HAVE BECOME LAW!! IT WAS MADE A LAW TO KEEP WOMEN SUBMISSIVE, AND OUT OF THE WORKPLACE!! WE FOUND WAY, TO OVERCOME BOTH. YET ITS STILL USED TO HOLD US BACK!! FACT; THE SECOND YOU VOTED TO LET GOVT. TELL US WHAT TO DO WITH OUR OWN BODIES, YOU STARTED THE DECLINE OF ALL HUMAN RIGHTS!! ABORTION WAS NEVER ABOUT SAVING A CHILD!! IT WAS ABOUT POLITICS!!
oldfart| 2.3.12 @ 7:00AM
Madam (I guess you are female with your reference to your reproductive parts) you are a sucker for the elites who what to make sure their DNA gets passed on and those of lesser 'standing' die out. 'Choice' is all about eugenics – the planned breeding of homo sapiens like we are cattle. Those of 'privilege' are allowed to continue and the population of lesser beings, who provide nothing of worth to the genome, shall be reduced. 'They' believe that those of lesser status do nothing more suck off the treasure of the self-appointed 'upper crust'.
Just remember that when the ship of state called the Titanic sank, sure a lot of lower class 3rd class people died but many 1st class as well.
The tone of your post, your use of caps (considered very rude and boorish in proper circles) just indicates that, by your standards, you should have been aborted.
The Bishop| 2.3.12 @ 9:42AM
The all-caps suggest to me shrieking, thereby confirming you suspicion of the comment being written by the gentler sex. However, I disagree about aborting her. If only reason and listening were in play, there still might be time to redeem. But, if wishes were horses...
oldfart| 2.3.12 @ 11:33AM
I agree with your comments - my point was to attempt to drive home the point to her of the ramifications of her comments.
But thanks for the observation.
ENOUGH ROPE| 2.4.12 @ 6:49PM
George Neumayr, please use "anyway" instead of the non-standard word "anyways."
Catholic leaders who support Obama should recall two tenets of Scripture: 1. ALL human beings are created in the image and likeness of God; 2. The Fifth Commandment states "Thou shall not kill." How can any Catholic cardinal, bishop, priest, religious, or lay person defy those two teachings of the Word of God and still think of themselves as authentic Catholics?
If Catholic employers are coerced to obey the contraceptive mandates, which will happen surely if Obama is reelected, then All authentic Catholics should assemble lawfully in front of their city halls to pray aloud the rosary in protest of the mandates. If this could be done each Saturday starting in May 2012, the month of Mary, then this will be a powerful witness to the defense of life. If canon law permits, it would be especially powerful if the Holy Eucharist were displayed in the monstrance by a priest during the recitation of the rosary at the city halls.
Here is the first sentence of the second paragraph of The Declaration of Independence:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Alan Brooks| 2.4.12 @ 9:17PM
"hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
No mention of women- shows you how outdated the Declaration is becoming. We are stuck with the Declaration, yet the Constitution ought to be re-written.
merlin| 2.4.12 @ 10:18PM
good grief.
xiphos| 2.5.12 @ 6:13AM
By whom?
fckewe| 2.7.12 @ 5:12AM
By me. ~S~ By the Citizens. Through our vote on moral issues and nonCongressional business issues.
Every 4 years, we should vote on our National agenda, not just for the leader of a party.
I AM to credable-- your NOT! | 2.7.12 @ 12:56PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 1:59AM
WOW! I not only have a fan, but a stalker as well. I wonder if stalker understands that His adoration and affection for This One will Never be consummated. I only admire males who are more handsome and virile than I, but they still don't excite This One. Certainly NOT as much I obviously excite you.
The Ovine Consummator| 2.8.12 @ 11:19AM
"You take 2 Viagarrrrrrrrra to day?"
'Your' even more '1%er mensanier 'to day' then useshuall.
denise| 2.3.12 @ 10:44PM
The left has spend billions of taxpayer dollars building the sheep of the future. She is right, a woman's womb is political and nowhere in her post does she say she IS FOR abortion or AGAINST it.
The fact that the church let Obama in changed my mind about going back.
fckewe| 2.5.12 @ 5:03PM
Isn't it the flag waving, front row sitting, never let the neighbors know the truth, keeping up with the image of the Jones', parents of drug using, draft dodging, college test buying, tax evading Republicans that just follow the party dogma no matter where the rhetoric goes, where the violations of Constitutional liberties lead, who applaud violence against the innocent, deplore free speech unless it is their own RED party approved and dispensed Rabble rousing sheep who are blindly voting for the sacrificial ewe of their 'ahahaha choice' (I mean the choice selected for them by the SuperPACS) that are the genuine sheep?
These people who refuse to educate their children using the excuse of "protecting them from earthy understang?" NOW wonder their daughters come home pregnant with biracial fetuses, with STD's from experiencing the GOD's REAL WORLD ... all WITHOUT Birth Control, Sexual Protection or understanding in what a relationship actually IS between a Man and a Woman.
It is these poor lost , abandoned and abused lambs of the Khristian Konservative Konspiracy Kults whose lives have been poisoned by their parents shame and ignorance that make Legal Abortions necessary under Roe V.Wade. Are you RED party hypocrites so SURE that you want to have your saintly daughters bear halfbreed grandchildren who will think and act just like the PRESIDENT? ARE you SURE you don't want to keep the option of legal murder just incase your white bread heritage ends up with a happy little bit of pumpernickel in the family dough?
sonofagunny| 2.5.12 @ 5:41PM
Idiot.
fckewe| 2.6.12 @ 12:51PM
NO complete sentences? ah sorry dude, I didn't notice you parked in the handicapped space. Need a jump start for that single paracystic cell brain of yours?
CREDIBILITY| 2.6.12 @ 1:42PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
fckewe| 2.7.12 @ 5:16AM
Congratulations, we should play chess some day. If the unborn have 'rights', should ALL entities have 'rights'? Aliens, illegal aliens, foreign national aliens? Corporations should VOTE? Minors should have RIGHTS, like voting on homework and the drinking age and sex toy distribution is schools?
Be careful of the pandora's box you open. Just ask yourself this, if it is a fetal heartbeat, will it beat without the mother's heart to power it? if no, then does it deserve a vote?
I AM to credable-- your NOT! | 2.7.12 @ 12:56PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 1:59AM
WOW! I not only have a fan, but a stalker as well. I wonder if stalker understands that His adoration and affection for This One will Never be consummated. I only admire males who are more handsome and virile than I, but they still don't excite This One. Certainly NOT as much I obviously excite you.
The Ovine Consummator| 2.8.12 @ 11:21AM
"your MOM teach you that?"
"You take 2 Viagarrrrrrrrr to day?"
To day your shur Mensa 1%erier ephen moor then uschewel.
justaguy| 2.3.12 @ 3:57PM
It seems to me, considering that the "war on girls" where large number of females are aborted or exposed in most of the world, has been going on for decades, mixed with the falling birth rates-- now below replacement in most of the countries where girls aren't aborted, our all-caps commenter is getting her metaphysical just desserts.
fckewe| 2.6.12 @ 12:53PM
When talking about the American President's stand on abortion right's, the rest of the world's policies are not only irrelevantly inflammatory... they are propagandistically wrong. The issue of Fe,ale muder is one strongly opposed by this President AND all the RED menace candidates.
CREDIBILITY| 2.6.12 @ 1:43PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
fckewe| 2.7.12 @ 5:17AM
Learn to use the rubberstamp now haven't you? your mummy must be soo proud!!
I AM to credable-- your NOT! | 2.7.12 @ 12:57PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
Timothy L. Pennell| 2.3.12 @ 7:18AM
Maybe if you weren't such a SLUT, you wouldn't have to worry about it? Maybe if you stopped Bending Over every chair you see, and started Sitting on them? Maybe if you balanced yourself on your Feet, more, instead of on your Hands and Knees, at every Office Party?
You wanna be a WH*RE? You wanna be the skeeve of the neighborhood, with all of the Cold Sores, and Vaginal Discharges that go with the territory? You go right ahead. You wanna keep going to the Abortionist and MURDERING your children? Do it!
I'm pretty sure that the World is better off without another one of YOU, anyway.
Monitor! | 2.3.12 @ 9:39AM
The above post, by the ignorant and vulgar Timothy, is profane , bigoted, and grossly impolite.
Please delete!
VonMisesJr| 2.3.12 @ 10:00AM
Whaaa! Call in the thought police. One of the workers has gone rouge in our "Brave New World."
Q: How is it that liberals (read socialist) are obnoxious and insulting; but they call for censorship at the drop of a hat?
A: They were never taught how to think!
Timothy L. Pennell| 2.3.12 @ 10:00AM
I get the: ignorant and the vulgar, the profane, and the grossly impolite. But, I gotta tell ya. I'm not getting the "Bigoted" part.
Are you saying that I'm targeting Minority Sluts and Hoes? Please explain yourself.
If anything is Bigoted, it is YOU, for "Assuming" that I was talking about Minority Sluts and Hoes, as opposed to all Sluts and Hoes, in General.
Shame on you.
By the way. Which one are you?
denise| 2.3.12 @ 10:47PM
I'll pray for you.
fckewe| 2.6.12 @ 12:56PM
To Tiny Timmy, any woman who isn't married to him is a slut because some other guy is tapping it! Funny how the people who get the least sex have the loudest, most condemnatory opinions about sex and voice them more often then those of us busy getting laid and LOVING it.
Nowonder his wife is so grateful when her 3 minutes of monthly obligation is up! She must sooooo welcome her monthly visitor.
CREDIBILITY| 2.6.12 @ 1:44PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 2:00AM
WOW! I not only have a fan, but a stalker as well. I wonder if stalker understands that His adoration and affection for This One will Never be consummated. I only admire males who are more handsome and virile than I, but they still don't excite This One. Certainly NOT as much I obviously excite you.
The Ovine Consummate Excitee| 2.8.12 @ 11:27AM
"your MOM teach you that?"
"You take 2 Viagarrrrrrrrra to day?"
Your 1% Mensa to day four surtan. Whoo woodent bee gellus ov ewer geeneous?
TR| 2.3.12 @ 10:35AM
Monitor! Monitor! You must immediately delete anything that I don't like! Stop this freedom of thought immediately! If I disagree, delete it! Don't let anyone read anything that deviates from the liberal brainwashed orthodoxy!
Suzy| 2.3.12 @ 10:53AM
Civility!
If posters cannot be civil in their posts, the posts should be deleted. And the obnoxious, bullying tone of many of you undermines your credibility.
You sound just like little bully boys on the playground. Because of your adolescent bullying vulgarity, intelligent readers dismiss your thoughts immediately.
Timothy L. Pennell| 2.3.12 @ 11:24AM
GFYourself.
Gazinya| 2.3.12 @ 11:33AM
Well, if dismiss is what is called for then they will be dismissed. But they must be read first for me to judge if what is said or written is dissmissive. I judge my mental health on not what others think of me but on what I think of others. That is the true test of spirituality.
Melvin| 2.3.12 @ 1:46PM
Spoken like a true Socialist. What took you five sentences I'll describe you and your kinds with one word. Hypocrite(s).
skip| 2.3.12 @ 2:56PM
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gigi | 1.26.12 @ 3:08PM:
"You tell it like it is, Alan [Brooks].
And if the majority of posters on here knew you could tell the sexual orientation of a fetus, and a male or female fetus was deemed homosexual, the "Christians" on here would be unanimous in calling for its abortion.
The Fundamentalist "Christians" on here are merely right-wing zealots who like to trot out their "faith" when confronting a complex moral issue.
Incapable of discussing an ethical issue intelligently, they talk about "sin" and resort to emotionally-loaded language and name calling."
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Suzy | 1.26.12 @ 3:09PM:
"Amen, sister!"
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Suzy | 1.26.12 @ 4:39PM:
"And one more thing: The Christianist posters on AmSpec do not value sucial [sic] justice, empathy, compassion--three major components of Christ's teachings."
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Suzy | 2.3.12 @ 10:53AM:
"Civility!"
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Anthony| 2.3.12 @ 4:40PM
O.K Suzy, but only if we can delete Obozo and the rest of the hard left for their incivility, fair enough?
Come to think of it, that would restore civility in America pronto!!
So folks, come Nov. 6th, hit your delete buttons!!
Quartermaster| 2.3.12 @ 6:13PM
While the atmosphere here is often a fever swamp, and a number of posters need to be banned because of vulgarity and other sins against civility that make the loon ball left look sane, the above by "FREEDOM_NOT_SLAVERY" is an example of what needs to go by a poster that cries for banning. Other good examples are Clint and Jack, and their predictable "enemies."
This place is often peopled by the insane.
fckewe| 2.7.12 @ 5:23AM
I edit them by rebuttal, and by all accounting of their nonresponses... they KNOW how badly beaten they are. You know how Christ handles epithets... he laughs and just says, "so you say, feel better now?" 7 times 70 times .
Just keep on point and don't let them make you the bad guy.
I AM to credable-- your NOT! | 2.7.12 @ 12:58PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
fckewe| 2.7.12 @ 5:20AM
Obama never called Boehner or McConnell a SPADE! Even thought they are tools of the Regurgatative Right, digging America into a deeper hole they can spew more gall into.
I AM to credable-- your NOT! | 2.7.12 @ 12:58PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
TinaB| 2.4.12 @ 10:49AM
Wrongo peso go, I look forward to reading Tim P's witty and often erudite posts. He's our very own Mark Steyn, maybe cruder, but then we don't pay him, so he's on his own.
VonMisesJr| 2.4.12 @ 9:12PM
Ditto Tina. The same people that call us racist, stupid and haters tell us to shut up as soon as they get challenged or hear something they don't like.
fckewe| 2.7.12 @ 5:25AM
Nah Junior! I love it when you reveal your little wizard behind your curtains of denial. I just laugh and point at it... and giggle like a little girl.
I AM to credable-- your NOT! | 2.7.12 @ 12:59PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
Mickeybutane| 2.3.12 @ 3:09PM
It's also very true
J&J| 2.3.12 @ 4:25PM
Looks to me like gigi and alan and Suzy have a pretty accurate picture of fundmentalist Christians.
And Timothy L Pennell, a confessed "Christian" who calls posters he disagrees with "mother fuckers" and tells them to "fuck off" can quote the Bible like crazy.
Reread his posts, and you will see. I think Suzy and company have got all of you figured out. They, at least, use civil language.
Anthony| 2.3.12 @ 4:44PM
"An uncivil comment never fed a hungry child" Clintonius de Minimus, whose civility came with a box of cigars!!
fckewe| 2.7.12 @ 5:26AM
NO one EVER asked Monica if she ever came. What kind of woman saves a stained dress because another woman tells her to?
I AM to credable-- your NOT! | 2.7.12 @ 12:59PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
Sheap Are So Secksy Too Me| 2.7.12 @ 1:36PM
The kind of woman who is a liberal.
The kind of woman who is a democrat.
The kind of woman who supports abortion.
The kind of woman who gave birth to you.
The kind of woman who nurtured you.
The kind of woman who approves letting you sodomize sheep rather than touch her.
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
"you're MOM teach you that?"
fckewe | 1.20.12 @ 12:16PM
The Virile Ovine Consummator| 2.8.12 @ 11:36AM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa"
"you're MOM teach you that?"
"You take 2 Viagarrrrrrrrra to day?"
Whaht, noo komant frum the depphes of you're 1%er Mensa jeanyus foure uss too adoor?
Olive| 2.3.12 @ 5:11PM
I just hate the awful language these posters use. They make us all look like stupid adolescents.
J&J is right.
Olive| 2.3.12 @ 5:13PM
Before you post, ask yourself these two questions:
What would Jesus say?
How would Jesus say it?
Sam I Am| 2.3.12 @ 5:16PM
Just shut the hell up, nanny.
We don't need your pukey, little mary sunshine advice.
Timothy L. Pennell| 2.4.12 @ 8:46AM
Look, Olive. I'm sure you're a wonderful person, but I'm not gonna ask myself WWJD, or WWJS.
I'm not JESUS.
That's why I go to Church. Because I'm an 'Old School' guy, Military Vet, who has done Outside Labour Work my whole life, and I'm 54.
I LIVE a Christian Life.
I TALK like most men, my age, with my life story.
If you don't like it? Screw You. I could care less. I don't live my life for YOUR approval. I say what's on mind. I don't Lie. I don't Cheat. I don't Steal. And, I never Mince My Words.
What I do, do, is Swear like a MFer.
Check your Bible. Guys like ME, are why Church is there, in the 1st place. It's not for the Saintly. It's for the Wicked.
You should know that.
ChingChing| 2.4.12 @ 11:20AM
Timothy, calm down!
Your anger is going to make those cancer cells in your swollen prostate gland spread to your lymph nodes.
When that happens, and it will, maybe you'll shut your stupid mouth.
DRed| 2.4.12 @ 11:34AM
"I don't LIE". That, my friend, is a lie.
Let's review, shall we?
"His Administration fought for BEASTIALITY, in the Armed Forces." Bullshit.
He was Raised, until the age of 11, in the Muslim Schools and Mosques, of Indonesia. Bullshit.
He knelt on his Prayer Rug, facing Mecca, and Prayed to a God of MURDER and DEATH, and CRUELY and SLAVERY 5 times a day. Bullshit.
He REFUSES to do anything with IRAN. Bullshit.
Hamas sells Drinking Mugs, on its Official Web Site. The Mugs are adorned with the Face of OBAMA. Bullshit.
This THING, sits on the Throne of the Largest, Most Powerful Christian Nation on the Planet, and Israel's only Ally. Bullshit.
We have a Commander In Chief who began his Political Career, and is Close Friends, with two Unrepentant DOMESTIC TERRORISTS. Bullshit.
He has done to this Country, in 3 Years, what the Soviets were unable to do in 50. He has done in 3 Years, what the Arab World has been unable to do in Millennium. He is bringing them all together, under one Banner, for a Single Purpose. The Destruction of Israel. Bullshit.
He's a Muslim and a Marxist and a Communist, by BIRTH. Bullshit.
Every one a lie, and that's just some of the nonsense you wrote yesterday.
ChingChing| 2.4.12 @ 1:57PM
Timothy L Pennell is so full of hatred that his heart is poisoned. His hate speech is designed to trigger violence.
He is a violent, evil person.
Reprobate Charlatan DReadful| 2.4.12 @ 2:02PM
Readers may note that the list of 'lies' cited will serve to buttress the arguments made by the poster rather than refute them.
Clarification of the topics listed is useful for seeking the truth.
Sexually deviant perverted degenerate behavior has been condoned in the military; it is notable that perhaps social justice will next demand those with the physical characteristics of a Michael Moore be required to be in recon platoons, for the purpose of insuring the defense of all citizens.
The liar in chief attended a madrassa as a child in Indonesia; it is highly unlikely the madrassa's instruction regarding prayer were not followed by the child. It is notable that sociologists and psychologists are in general agreement children can be instilled with values up to about twelve years of age, that after this approximate age it is academic.
Iran is in pursuit of nuclear weaponry and is primarily unfettered by other nations including the U.N. in this endeavor.
Hamas is a pathetic and despicable organization of terrorists who have slaughtered many innocent human beings; ironically, it is notable that they are reminiscent of the organization Planned Parenthood but never mind that focus on the easily verifiable trivialities instead.
The list of staunch allies of Israel is a very short list; it is notable another staunch ally in addition to the U.S. was not identified.
The likelihood the list of 'lies' provided has any credibility is practically proven false by the implication Ayers and Dohrn are not unrepentant domestic terrorists; it is notable the liar in chief made an official public announcement in the unrepentent domestic terrorists home.
That the liar in chief has severely damaged this nation socially, politically, and economically is not debatable anywhere near the degree it is debatable whether the liar in chief has done so through intentional willful acts or through inept incompetent acts of ignorance.
The liar in chief stated he would govern transparently; it is notable there is all that documentation of his personal history tranparently available for anyone to see for themself to transparently settle the issue definitively.
It is unfortunate that readers where not provided any sources citing any facts in rebuttal to any of the 'lies' listed; of notable example:
"Here's an inaccurate part. Mr. Ferrara states that the top 1% of income earners paid 40% of federal income taxes in 2007. He uses that to show how unfairly taxed the top 1% or earners are"
([the notable DReadful liar himself] | 8.10.11 @ 11:46AM)
"You owe Ferrara an apology. He stated in 2007 the top 1% paid 40.4% of income taxes because, try to follow me here, the top 1% paid 40.4% of income taxes in 2007.
In 2007 the top 1% paid 40.42% of the nation's income taxes, while the bottom 95% paid 39.37% of income taxes"
( [the notable lie refuted by the notable truth] | 8.11.11 @ 11:48AM)
DRed| 2.4.12 @ 2:15PM
http://articles.cnn.com/2007-0.....M:POLITICS
Wake me back up Skip when you can figure out the difference between federal income taxes and total tax taxes.
Oh, I forgot. You don't believe in CNN. Well Skip, allow me to be fair and balanced for you.
http://www.nationalreview.com/.....h-goldberg
Unless the Madrassa was the St. Francis Assisi school-that's another school Obama went to in Indonesia. I guess he's really a pawn of the pope?
DRed| 2.4.12 @ 2:26PM
DRed| 8.10.11 @ 11:46AM
Here's an inaccurate part. Mr. Ferrara states that the top 1% of income earners paid 40% of federal income taxes in 2007. He uses that to show how unfairly taxed the top 1% of earners are. But what he knowingly omits is any other form of tax. When you local at total taxes collected and compare it to income earned, you see that in 2008 the top 1% of income earners took in roughly 22% of the income earned in America. They paid 23% of the total taxes collected. Does that strike you as being terribly unfair? This data is freely available. I wonder why Mr. Ferrara only focused on federal income tax?
Why didn't you quote me fully, you mendacious jackass?
Reprobate Charlatan DReadful| 2.4.12 @ 3:48PM
Per the notable Dreadful liar himself:
"Why didn't you quote me fully, you mendacious jackass?"
mendacious:
lying; untruthful
jackass:
a foolish or stupid person; a donkey, the symbol of the liberal democrat party
It is notable in the quote more fully cited:
"...in 2008 the top 1% of income earners took in roughly 22% of the income earned in America."
The notable lie refuted by the notable truth | 8.11.11 @ 11:48AM:
"In 2008 the top 1% earned 20.00% of the nation's total adjusted gross income.
In 2008 the top 1% paid 38.02% of the nation's income taxes"
It is notable that this in no way changes the claim that was made that in 2007 the top 1% paid 40% in federal income taxes 'was inaccurate' when in fact in 2007 the top 1% paid 40% in federal income taxes.
DRed| 2.4.12 @ 5:34PM
Wow. The article claimed that the rich paid a disproportionate share of taxes in America. Taxes. Not federal income taxes. I wasn't saying that the claim that the rich paid 40% of federal income taxes was inaccurate. I'm saying that using that to prove that the rich pay a disproportionate share of taxes in America is inaccurate. Why? Because it's not true. If you earn 22% of the income and pay 23% of the taxes, by definition, you're paying a proportionate tax burden. I've explained this to you time and again, you braying jackass, and you just keep responding with the same nonsense.
Reprobate Charlatan DReadful| 2.4.12 @ 7:06PM
The notable liar himself:
"Wow. The article claimed that the rich paid a disproportionate share of taxes in America. Taxes. Not federal income taxes. I wasn't saying that the claim that the rich paid 40% of federal income taxes was inaccurate."
"Here's the inaccurate part. Mr. Ferrara states that the top 1% of income earners paid 40% of federal income taxes in 2007."
"I'm saying that using that to prove that the rich pay a disproportionate share of taxes in America is inaccurate. Why? Because it's not true."
It is notable the notable liar time and again ignores:
in 2007 the top 1% paid 40.42% of federal income taxes;
in 2007 the bottom 95% - combined - paid 39.37% of federal income taxes;
in 2007 the top 1% paid more in federal income taxes than the bottom 95% combined;
in 2012 the notable liar is still time and again stating that the rich pay a disproportionate share of taxes in America is inaccurate.
Idiot.
Reprobate Charlatan DReadful| 2.4.12 @ 3:23PM
The notable Dreadful liar himself:
"Here's the inaccurate part. Mr. Ferrara states that the top 1% of income earners paid 40% of federal income taxes in 2007."
"Wake me...when you can figure out the difference between federal income taxes and total tax taxes."
It is notable in the quotation provided that you stated 'federal income taxes' and not 'total tax taxes'.
It is notable that the source cited, on speculation over the school with admitted speculation by the author, was speculation from more than five years ago.
It is notable that the cited source states "[the liar in chief] writes in his book that he attended a predominantly Muslim school in Indonesia."
The definition (freedictionary.com) of Madrassa:
A building or group of buildings used for teaching Islamic theology and religious law, typically including a mosque.
It is notable in the CNN source cited, a source from the day before the cited source of National Review, from above, is:
"Obama lived in Indonesia as a child, from 1967 to 1971, with his mother and stepfather and has acknowledged attending a Muslim school, but an aide said it was not a madrassa."
It is notable that this issue is now put to rest, since an aide of the liar in chief stated more than five years ago that the Muslim school that is used for teaching Islamic theology and religious law that the liar in chief attended was not a madrassa. Presidential aides generally, and this particular anonymous aide to the liar in chief specifically, never lie.
It is notable among the topics listed as 'lies', only degeneracy in the military, nuclear Iran, Hamas terrorism, Israeli allegiance, domestic terrorists, and the transparency of the liar in chief, are left to be addressed.
Idiot.
DRed| 2.4.12 @ 5:30PM
But reporting by CNN in Jakarta, Indonesia and Washington, D.C., shows the allegations that Obama attended a madrassa to be false. CNN dispatched Senior International Correspondent John Vause to Jakarta to investigate.
Vause also interviewed one of Obama's Basuki classmates, Bandug Winadijanto, who claims that not a lot has changed at the school since the two men were pupils. Insight reported that Obama's political opponents believed the school promoted Wahhabism, a fundamentalist form of Islam, "and are seeking to prove it."
"It's not (an) Islamic school. It's general," Winadijanto said. "There is a lot of Christians, Buddhists, also Confucian. ... So that's a mixed school."
He visited the Basuki school, which Obama attended from 1969 to 1971.
"This is a public school. We don't focus on religion," Hardi Priyono, deputy headmaster of the Basuki school, told Vause. "In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment."
How deeply stupid do you have to be to read that article and conclude that Obama went to a madrassa?
Reprobate Charlatan DReadful| 2.4.12 @ 7:08PM
It is notable that the notable liar has continued to focus on the liar in chief's Indonesian schooling, while continuing to ignore from the list of 'lies' degeneracy in the military, nuclear Iran, Hamas terrorism, Israeli allegiance, domestic terrorists, and the transparency of the liar in chief.
It is notable that the notable liar emotionally prattles it is extremely stupid to doubt the reporting of CNN and of CNN correspondent John Vause on the Muslim school the liar in chief attended.
It is notable that the CNN correspondent John Vause is the CNN correspondent who in late July last year reported on the U.S. debt, and showed through bar charts how Bush was responsible for $5.070 trillion of this debt, while Obama was responsible for $1.440 trillion of this debt.
It is notable that the notable liar would emotionally prattle as to the objective veracity of CNN and the CNN correspondent John Vause, when the OMB, the official website of the white house and the liar in chief, shows the deficits of each of the eight Bush years total $2.005615 trillion, while the deficits of each of the first three Obama years total $4.351296 trillion.
It is notable the notable liar ignores the Office of Management and Budget, while assuming the objective credibility of CNN.
It is notable the notable liar demonstrates specifically the unintelligent and dishonest emotional prattle devoid of reason and experience of liberal idiots generally.
Unintelligent and dishonest emotionally prattling idiot.
DRed| 2.4.12 @ 7:29PM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/.....8809.story
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightlin.....y3NDVyvLTo
derp derp derp
You're clearly wrong, you idiot, and you refuse to admit it.
Reprobate Charlatan DReadful| 2.4.12 @ 8:28PM
It is notable that the notable liar continues to emotionally prattle by responding to evidence that CNN lacks credibility by citing two sources with even less credibility than CNN, as if it is top secret classified information that mainstream media is in the tank for the liar in chief and that this is not easily verifiable. It is notable the notable liar will likely soon top this emotional prattle with emotional prattle that will make this emotional prattle appear to be not so emotionally prattlingly awful as previously believed possible.
It is notable that the notable liar earlier emotionally prattled with emotional prattle that included the notable 'mendacious jackass' comment. This is notable because those are the exact adjective and noun that initially came to mind to describe what is in the picture at the top of this article - really - not just emotionally prattlingly.
It is notable that idiot liberals who unintelligently and dishonestly emotionally prattle devoid of reason and experience demonstrate that they lack integrity.
Is it notable to wonder if a super bowl commercial for the liberal party is in the offing, a la beer commercials of old:
Emotionally Prattling! Less Integrity!
Idiot liberal, the epitome of the symbol representing the idiot liberal party.
macwell| 2.6.12 @ 5:27AM
Well said... again!
fckewe| 2.7.12 @ 5:29AM
I agree with you about Christ's purpose in the church. But, You are like all those other women who use PMS as an excuse for bad behavior. If hormones were a legitimate excuse for being bitchy, nasty, rude, unjust or ... then when My hormones act up and make This Man anxious, then it's not rape, it's just My hormones honey... so it's your turn to take one for the team.
I AM to credable-- your NOT! | 2.7.12 @ 1:00PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
fckewe| 2.6.12 @ 1:01PM
What would Jesus DO? Throw a stone? Fail to heal on the Sabbath? Certainly not go to Church PROUD of supporting the violation of GOD's will.
Why do these Christians say LIFE is God's will and condemn the medicine of birth control hormones, while saying NOTHING about Viagara and ED drugs that DIRECTLY VIOLATE God's will. I mean these old Republican keysters are nonperforming BECAUSE God does NOT want them procreating!!!
CREDIBILITY| 2.6.12 @ 1:45PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
fckewe| 2.7.12 @ 5:30AM
you need to quit masturbating so much, it has ruined your eloquence.
I AM to credable-- your NOT! | 2.7.12 @ 1:01PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
skip| 2.3.12 @ 5:55PM
~
Alan Brooks | 1.26.12 @ 2:34PM:
"But you pro- "life" ilk are consistent (if consistency is what one values) in one respect: though you will never admit it, you secretly wish Obama himself had been aborted five decades ago.
Doesn't matter what you say I know you are that way-- you are Christians at church-- outside church you are something less than followers of Christ.
You worship Smith, Riccardo, von Mises, Hayek, Friedman- not Jesus Christ."
~
gigi | 1.26.12 @ 3:08PM:
"...the Christians on here would be unanimous in calling for its abortion"
~
Suzy | 1.26.12 @ 4:39PM:
"The Christian posters on AmSpec do not value sucial [sic] justice, empathy, compassion"
~
J&J | 2.3.12 @ 4:25PM:
"Looks to me like gigi and alan and Suzy have a pretty accurate picture of fundamentalist Christians."
~
Olive | 2.3.12 @ 5:11PM:
"J&J is right."
~
Perhaps Alan or gigi or Suzy or J&J or Olive can provide quotations supporting their uncivil comments, comments that so far have consisted exclusively of unintelligent and dishonest emotional prattle devoid of reason and experience, and have made each one of them, Alan and gigi and Suzy and J&J and Olive alike, each appear to be an uncivil asshole.
LoveThyNeighbor| 2.3.12 @ 8:15PM
Skip, surely you can see that Timothy and many other posters on here go into obscene rants, full of profanities.
Can you show me the profanities of the five you mentioned in your above quote.
I'm a Christian, and I disapprove of the thuggish, profane way many posters "communicate" theiropinions.
I think a little manners on this blog would go a long way.
skip| 2.3.12 @ 9:05PM
LoveThyNeighbor, surely I can see that Timothy doesn't whine about civility sanctimoniously and hypocritically, while simultaneously uncivilly ranting unintelligently and dishonestly, the uncivil ranting consisting exclusively of uncivil emotional prattle devoid of reason and experience.
I have shown you where the five I mentioned have each appeared to be uncivil assholes due to their uncivil comments that have consisted exclusively of unintelligent and dishonest uncivil emotional prattle devoid of reason and experience.
You're a Christian, and I find no disapproval by you of the way the five posters I have mentioned have uncivilly communicated their opinions of Christians in a profane manner, sanctimoniously and hypocritically, unintelligently and dishonestly, through uncivil emotional prattle devoid of reason and experience.
I think a little intelligence and honesty based on reason and experience that is lacking in emotional prattle go a long way in this thread, particularly if it takes a little uncivil discourse to make the point that liberals unintelligently and dishonestly emotionally prattle devoid of reason and experience in an uncivil manner while sanctimoniously and hypocritically whining about it unintelligently and dishonestly, even when making the point to unintelligent and dishonest emotionally prattling Christians who are lacking reason and experience.
Alan Brooks| 2.4.12 @ 9:22PM
IMO, the Right in America follows Paul, not Jesus-
the Right in America loves the bathwater, not the baby.
Alan Brooks| 2.4.12 @ 9:25PM
... the Right in America worships more the manger Jesus lay in than Jesus Himself.
Alan Brooks| 2.5.12 @ 9:08PM
You guys would sell the manger Jesus lay in on e-bay.
If Jesus returned, you would shoot him.
skip| 2.4.12 @ 10:48PM
. . . said the genius who just posted in this thread above at 9:17PM:
" . . . all men are created equal . . . No mention of women- shows you how outdated the Declaration is becoming. We are stuck with the Declaration, yet the Constitution ought to be re-written."
men:
plural of man
man:
a human regardless of sex or age; a person
We are stuck with stupid lying liberal idiots without integrity capable only of emotional prattle, yet when it is pointed out these idiotic tyrants will become the natural manure of the tree of liberty, the words of warning to the idiotic tyrants not the actions of the idiotic tyrants are the focus of what is uncivil.
Alan Brooks| 2.5.12 @ 9:11PM
If Jesus were to return, you guys would crucify Him all over again.
fckewe| 2.6.12 @ 1:03PM
They could never recognize Me, even if I gave them three different names to choose from. ~S~
CREDIBILITY| 2.6.12 @ 1:45PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
CLEVERIBILITY| 2.6.12 @ 2:07PM
I am a 1%er, in Mensa. I post brilliantly as many 1% Mensans: as Diogenes; as Orr, Gasm and Associates; as Purp; as Purpleguy; as jharp; as...
skip| 2.6.12 @ 1:34PM
. . . said the genius who fails to realize that while his statement is self-evidently true - Jesus would be crucified for His message no matter when He came - it would likely never come to that: His very young unwed mother would have been inundated since her birth that her moral obligation is to terminate her pregnancy through her unalienable right to abort - not only for her own self-esteem - but for the good of society as a whole.
Emotionally prattling idiot Jesus is using to expose the intellectual dishonesty of liberalism.
fckewe| 2.7.12 @ 5:37AM
Actually, Mary would have been stoned for being pregnant if Joseph didn't marry her. His marriage santified the legitimacy of Jesus. The citizenry, under GOD's LAW would have mot only aborted Jesus, but murdered the mother. OH WAIT!!! if it is LAW, it's NOT murder, is it? ~smirks~
I AM to credable-- your NOT! | 2.7.12 @ 1:02PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
fckewe| 2.7.12 @ 5:34AM
and that is a damn shame too. It's a child, it MUST be born. But since GOD didn't create schools, I will vote against them, I will vote against child healthcare, and against addiction programs to correct health issues in their youth so My private prison stocks will grow and fund My retirement!!!!
I AM reely credable-- NOT ewe | 2.7.12 @ 1:04PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
denise| 2.3.12 @ 11:00PM
I think Tim, is a wolf in sheep clothing. The deep hatred and vulgarity is just gross.
Timothy L. Pennell| 2.4.12 @ 8:51AM
Yes. You got me. I'm a Wolf in Sheep's Clothing.
And, now that that's out in the open...What are you wearing? Cause you sound HOT!
op ed| 2.4.12 @ 2:01PM
Timothy L. Pennell's Hate Speech
If you look on every page, you will see the pathetic Timothy L. Pennell's name. His posts are every day, all hours of the day and night.
This evil man is obsessed with posting his hate speech.
He is a miserable, hateful wretch, and he is to be pitied because the only life he knows is here on AmSpec.
His vile rants are making fools of everyone who writes for this blog.
ChingChing| 2.4.12 @ 11:23AM
"Deep hatred and vulgarity"
You've nailed him, denise.
macwell| 2.6.12 @ 5:19PM
Excuse me Mr. J&J would you prefer it if Tim used Christian profanity? You know, like instead of saying sh*t you say shoot? Instead of Co*kSuc*er you use cottonpicker?
Allow me a question, if the intent of the heart is anger, does it matter what words you use?
fckewe| 2.5.12 @ 5:11PM
Maybe if misogynists like you were given vasectomies within 30 days of reaching puberty, reversable only upon marriage to a same sex, race, creed, and nationality certified virgin spouse, that abortions will no longer be necessary to rid the world of unlawful, unwanted and unsupported births?
It would end the issue of abortions for rape victims and if the wife of a spouse dies in childbirth, he can always collect the insurance to pay for the revasectomy to insure that anyone he rapes between marriages will not get pregnant.
it's a safe, cheaper, none 'murdering' method of contraception.
Although, I prefer My girlfriends to prefer ORAL Contraception
CREDIBILITY| 2.6.12 @ 1:46PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
macwell| 2.6.12 @ 5:21AM
Wow Tim you seem a bit on the angry side this morning, angry but right.
I remember growing up in the 50's when we kids could play outside, in the neighborhood, well after dark, never giving a thought about getting raped, kidnapped, or murdered. That's not to say it never happened, but it was infrequent and the perp/s knew that there was a good chance of falling down a flight of steps on the way to the police station.
On saturday when watching Hoody Dooty we were given this little bit of wisdom at the end of each show, "Now remember kids, don't forget Church or Sunday School." Could you imagine that being said after spongebob?, why the TV would probably explode.
The left thinks it's already won the war on religion, but they don't realize that Christians are the majority in America and being such, we can take America back.
Just remember kids, If My people, who are called by My name, will humble themselves...
Jack in Wi.| 2.3.12 @ 7:22AM
Obama has given the Republicans the edge issue they need to b get out the vote. It was a stupid move on his managers part. They think that will get out thier liberal base, which hates his foreign policy.The trouble for them is that their liberal base ia about 20% of the vote. I agree with Neumayr about civil disobedience. To the abortion loving lady above, perhaps your mother should of had one. That goes for Obama as well. His 17 year old unmarried mother gave him life. He is a heartless SOB.
oldfart| 2.3.12 @ 7:30AM
Perhaps 'heartless SOB' is a little harsh. I don't think is has the intelligence to qualify as heartless - just one of Lenin's useful idiots.
fckewe| 2.5.12 @ 5:14PM
If your MOM had consentual sex with your sperm doner, would she have prayed for a legal abortion opportunity? Or did she just get you brain damaged with the Clorox and Coathanger abortion that failed because it was her BEst Friend's mom's first try at abortion?
CREDIBILITY| 2.6.12 @ 1:46PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
Garfield| 2.5.12 @ 5:06PM
If Romney is the nominee this doesn't provide us with any edge, because Romney has the same stance as Obama.
VonMisesJr| 2.3.12 @ 7:42AM
Margaret Sanger's "Planned Parenthood" was implemented to get rid of the dregs of society and babies of color. I guess your momma didn't get the memo?
fckewe| 2.7.12 @ 5:41AM
It was an intelligent choice offered to women, intended to protect children from poverty and starvation in a male dominated world of her time, A world where women had no rights, not even to life. A woman who refused her husband was a criminal who could be beaten and raped without recourse.
By birth control, the poor WHITES in the cities could raise fewer children, each with a better chance of a better quality life.
Me credable-- Here me rore| 2.7.12 @ 1:07PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
Melvin| 2.3.12 @ 8:25AM
Your ignorance doesn't become you.
Pete| 2.3.12 @ 8:48AM
If wombs were made of glass abortion would carry a death sentence.
Suzy| 2.3.12 @ 10:56AM
Death sentence. Uh-huh.
You sound so much like a radical Islamic male. But I imagine you call yourself an Evangelical.
fckewe| 2.5.12 @ 5:16PM
Fundamental patients are fundamental patients. islam and Christianity HAVE NO DIFFERENCES in these kinds of sick minds.
CREDIBILITY| 2.6.12 @ 1:47PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
fckewe| 2.7.12 @ 5:41AM
Thank you for playing.
Me credable-- your jellus| 2.7.12 @ 1:09PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
Suzy| 2.3.12 @ 10:56AM
Death sentence. Uh-huh.
You sound so much like a radical Islamic male. But I imagine you call yourself an Evangelical.
Suzy| 2.3.12 @ 10:57AM
Death sentence. Uh-huh.
You sound so much like a radical Islamic male. But I imagine you call yourself an Evangelical.
Suzy| 2.3.12 @ 10:57AM
Death sentence. Uh-huh.
You sound so much like a radical Islamic male. But I imagine you call yourself an Evangelical.
Suzy| 2.3.12 @ 10:57AM
Death sentence. Uh-huh.
You sound so much like a radical Islamic male. But I imagine you call yourself an Evangelical.
Suzy| 2.3.12 @ 11:02AM
Sorry. I did not mean to post multiple copies. I do not know why multiple copies show.
ConantheContrarian| 2.3.12 @ 12:45PM
Sorry. Uh-huh.
You sound so much like a radical douchebag. But I imagine you call yourself a Progressive.
Timothy L. Pennell| 2.4.12 @ 8:52AM
It's because you're an Idiot.
fckewe| 2.7.12 @ 5:42AM
Try NOT holding the 'enter' key, just tap it.
Me credable-- hears prooph| 2.7.12 @ 1:10PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
David W| 2.3.12 @ 10:00AM
The woman had CONTROL over her vagina when she decided to have sex and conceive the child. She had CONTROL when she let the man deposit his seed within her womb. She CHOSE not to use effective birth CONTROL (and if she let the man convince her not to then she abdicated CONTROL over her own body). When the woman made that CHOICE she now became responsible for the LIFE within her. Were she not a selfish, self-centered, uncaring, unprincipled person she would do the right thing and let that innocent life come forth. I do support conception, and I can support the so called morning after pill, but I cannot support the crap that you and other liberals spew daily.
You, dear womyn (I use that term since you are not a real woman) and the eugenics supporters like Margaret Sanger, founder of PP, started the decline of human rights when you decided that an unborn human was not worth protecting - even though it is the most defenseless being of all.
The political whores who are in the Catholic Church (including the ones in the Vatican who swoon over the little anti-Christ called Obama) and liberal Protestant/Jewish congregations brought this on when they ignored all of the signs that Obama was anything but a Christian.
Obama has used the Lord's name in vain when he said that what he has done (and will do) is what Jesus would have wanted (didn't the 10 Commandments say "thou shall not steal", even if you are the government, "thou shall not covet" (nor encourage others to covet), thou shall not bear false witness (as in working with Buffet to spread lies about who pays what in this country)).
Obama's soul, if he ever had one, is in extreme danger - if not already lost, as is yours and the rest of the religious elite who have surrendered their principals for the man who would stop the seas from rising and would heal the Earth (what a load of crap).
Wow, did I really write that?
da Monk| 2.3.12 @ 10:28AM
David: As you claim a woman has control over her vagina. Likewise a man has control over his penis and he can protect the vagina from the depositing his seed by covering it with a propholactyc. By the way, why is it ok for a man to enjoy sex with no guilt and a woman has to bear the burden of being labeled a harlot. Also why is the woman considered "selfish, self-centered, uncaring"? Are men just adjuct wittnesses to the "event" If you have a daughter, think of what you just called her.
Tconway| 2.3.12 @ 11:09AM
da Monk,
I agree with you that men are not adjuct witnesses to the event. My question to you, is solely the Choice of the woman to carry the baby to term?
Gazinya| 2.3.12 @ 11:50AM
It does take two to tango and this is not about 'who's responsible' both man and woman, boy and girl are responsible. This is about who gets to decide the outcome. If the father chooses to take full responsibility for the child...it is up to the mother still in every case to choose life or death for the child. If the father wishes for the child to die, it is still up to the mother to decide. No doubt, men can be pigs but men are denied to opportunity to choose life if the mother chooses death. HER reproductive rights are the only rights that count in the current abortion debacle.
fckewe| 2.6.12 @ 1:08PM
Or the man can safely pleasure his lover while they BOTH enjoy ORAL CONTRACEPTION
CREDIBILITY| 2.6.12 @ 1:47PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
Alfred| 2.3.12 @ 11:38AM
And you call Obama the "Anti-Christ"!
Such hysterical hyperbole reflects your deficient mentality.
denise| 2.3.12 @ 11:10PM
I have an wonderful idea, How about we give men the snip? Saves aborting the children, right.
I HATE IT when men get on their high horse talking about women having control over everything, WHAT ABOUT YOUR CONTROL David?
BTW< I'm against abortion.
fckewe| 2.6.12 @ 1:07PM
I know, It was too much Koolaid at the RED party. The woman most likely was fornicated so well she LOST control, and ED sufferer's like you, Timmy,Reprobate and skippy just HATE that you understand Fleetwood Mac. "Have you ever seen a woman... taken by the wind..."
CREDIBILITY| 2.6.12 @ 1:48PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
cowgirl| 2.3.12 @ 11:27AM
Since the bulk of women who choose abortion are liberal and if those women had choosen to have their children instead of murdering them would have raised them (as single mothers no doubt) as liberals, I look at abortion as a favor to not only to conservatives, but the world. Thirty million babies have been murdered since Roe V Wade. Just think if 3/4's of them had lived and been raised liberal, liberals would have never had to worry about running the Congress and the White House. But thanks to brain damage thinking, liberals are killing themselvs off in droves. So keep up your thinking Freedom_Not_Slavery. At some point in time your thinking will be in the minority again and we can go back to a kinder, gentler, more humane culture.
da Monk| 2.3.12 @ 8:57PM
Cowgirl: Fact: Many Catholic women have had abortions and use birth control. I doubt if ALL OF THE ARE LIBERALS
cowgirl| 2.3.12 @ 10:06PM
Fact: I said BULK not ALL.
The fact is is that Liberals are killing themselves off. Do I care. Not really.
Blackwatch| 2.3.12 @ 10:39PM
there are millions of liberal catholics. If you were actually a monk you would have known that.
cowgirl| 2.6.12 @ 11:19AM
Gosh what part of this don't you liberals on this board understand:
I don't care of they are liberal Catholics or liberal Jews or Liberal Muslims or Liberal Christians.
Liberals are killing themselvs with abortion.
Geez...
fckewe| 2.6.12 @ 1:11PM
So, if you hate us as much as you hate Gay people, doesn't it make sense for you to STOP Persecuting Free Will (as ordained by GOD!) and let the Gays breed themselves out of the genepool and let the Liberals D&C themselves out?
I wonder how many Pro Lifers Ultra Christians would have aborted their spawn if they KNEW their child was gonna go gay prebirth?
CREDIBILITY| 2.6.12 @ 1:49PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
Joanne| 2.3.12 @ 12:33PM
Madam, first you dinosaur feminists need to realize that no man likes a shrew. Or should I say SHREW?
Second, the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society. The founder of Planned Parenthood said, "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated." Is her vision being fulfilled today? The statistics say yes.
da Monk| 2.3.12 @ 8:56PM
Joanne: Margaret Sanger has been dead for a number of years. Different people with different attitudes now run Planned Parenthood. Times have changed. Who would of thought 50+ years ago a Black man would be President.
denise| 2.3.12 @ 11:12PM
SAME PLAN, da monk.
fckewe| 2.6.12 @ 1:15PM
Breast Cancer testing is 5 times the expenditure of the PP than abortion counseling. STD education and prevention is 12 times the abortion budget, as is contraception. Even ALL the other women's issues Planned Parenthood addresses for HALF the population is 3.5 times the budget for abortions. That includes ADOPTION SERVICES too.
CREDIBILITY| 2.6.12 @ 1:49PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
SIMON TEMPLAR| 2.3.12 @ 2:14PM
YOU ARE ONE SICK, CONFUSED, IGNORANT, BITCH.
glenny| 2.3.12 @ 2:14PM
Freedom,
tl;dr
glenny
Dimitry Aleksandrovich| 2.3.12 @ 3:41PM
Lady do you understand you only have any power because men are willing to use force on your behalf? I've been to parts of the world where women have no power and do you know what they listen to their fathers, or husbands or brothers. Women naturally have to listen because its men who protect them and who've protected them since the beginning of time. It's only here in the West where things are upside down. Without the rule of law (which means men with guns be they soldiers or police officers) you could have all the feminist marches in the world and it really doesn't mean anything. The sooner you understand that the better off you will be in life. Things have a natural order. A woman is meant to be a mother and a child is a child from conception and as soon as you don't have the right to kill a life just because its in your womb. Also artificial birth control is destructive to a woman's health anyways.
da Monk| 2.3.12 @ 9:00PM
Dimitry: How many times a day do you beat your wife while she kneels on rice kernels? Where do you come from with such ideas. This is the 21 century, this is America, not the steppes of Russia
Blackwatch| 2.3.12 @ 10:43PM
Dimitry said: Lady do you understand you only have any power because men are willing to use force on your behalf?
Hey he's 100% right. Rule of Law is enforced by men with guns. Take away ROL and you have the rest of the world.
You need to get out more. America is not the entire world.
fckewe| 2.6.12 @ 1:17PM
Take away guns... and we have peace.
CREDIBILITY| 2.6.12 @ 1:50PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
Obama Diorama| 2.3.12 @ 4:42PM
Stocks are up!
Employment is down!
Dollar gains in value!
Today, February 3, 2012, stocks are up more than one percent in midday trading on news that the jobless rate dropped to 8.3 percent -- the lowest level in three years. World markets also rallied in light of the forecast-busting report.
Leading the Dow is Bank of America, which was up more than 5 percent.
The dollar is rising against most major currencies.
The stock market is off to its fastest start in 15 years as more investors start to believe that the economy is on the right path.
ECONOMY IS ON RIGHT PATH!
skip| 2.3.12 @ 6:05PM
Today, February 3, 2012, as of this posted comment:
~
U.S. national debt: $15.310326000000 trillion
U.S. national debt per citizen: $48,918
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U.S. unfunded liabilities: $117.447728000000 trillion
U.S. unfunded liabilities per citizen: $1,039,552
~
Let the good times roll.
Idiot.
skip| 2.3.12 @ 6:56PM
Oops,
The one million thirty nine thousand five hundred fifty two dollars owed should be the amount of U.S. unfunded liabilities per citizen taxpayer owed. My bad.
The other information was correctly described, though now outdated.
The U.S. national debt has increased by more than $118 million since the 6:05PM post, and the U.S. unfunded liabilities has increased by more than $425 million since the 6:05PM post.
Let the good times roll.
VBMax| 2.3.12 @ 7:25PM
Thank you Skip, you da man!
skip| 2.3.12 @ 7:47PM
Thanks VBMax.
The information is from usdebtclock.org,
where as of this post the U.S. national debt has increased by more than $150 million since the 6:05PM post;
and where as of this post the U.S. unfunded liabilities has increased by more than $540 million since the 6:05PM post.
fckewe| 2.6.12 @ 1:17PM
it was almost 90% here BEFORE the 2008 election. Nothing changes but the interest.
CREDIBILITY| 2.6.12 @ 1:50PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
irishsmile| 2.3.12 @ 6:05PM
For goodness sake... Disengage the cap key! It does not make your reasoning more acceptable. As a Catholic mother and grandmother, I need to taech you some biology. Abortion is about killing babies.
Blackwatch| 2.3.12 @ 10:46PM
right! and this abortion & contraception decision by Obama is political. The SCREAMING SHREW SAID IT BEST:
"ABORTION WAS NEVER ABOUT SAVING A CHILD!! IT WAS ABOUT POLITICS!!"
Alan Brooks| 2.3.12 @ 11:47PM
"The religious should march..."
Mr. Neumayr,
the religious right is so obsessed with defunding Planned Parenthood, they can't march for anything; they are virtually totalitarian pro-"life".
Betina| 2.4.12 @ 9:04AM
You certainly are a conformist little robot. Everything you spew has been planted into the space where your brain should be lodged. I'll bet you think you are thinking for yourself! Here's news for you: your brain is occupied territory. Long before they put bodies in Occupy movements the left put their tentacles into the brains of the dupes and dopes who parrot their illogic. Did it ever occur to you, in your perfervid outburst that ABORTION IS ABOUT POLITICS? Think not? The first country to support, PUSH for abortion was the SOVIET UNION. Which also became a big champion of divorce. Every left wing country has done its utmost to destroy "womanhood" and to replace women with a unisexual ideal. The ultimate goal was/is to change the behavior of each sex towards each other so as to DISCOURAGE MARITAL UNION, and cause the collapse of the single most effective bulwark to an ever increasing state: the family. Your brain has become so jellied and malleable that you accuse OTHERS of what you do/believe. Here's a clue which might jolt your brain: if abortion is NOT about politics, why is the scumbag in the White House issuing edicts about it? Why stick his nose in it? So when the Church gets involved its politics but when the ne0ofascist left does, it's what? Public virtue? Get real you jack-in-apes. Try some electric shock therapy. Because you want to own your "womb" but you no longer own your brain.
fckewe| 2.6.12 @ 1:20PM
Actually, abortion and infanticide is Biblically GOD's plan. How many smitings does 'The Lord of Abraham' DEMAND pre Christ?
WHY did GOD sacrifice his only begotten son? Not for YOUR sins or MY sins, but for GOD's GUILT in his sins against you and I. He KNOWS that punishing those born innocent, for the sins of another, is a SIN itself and GOD is the hugest sinner of all time.
fckewe| 2.6.12 @ 1:21PM
It is a violation of the entire 10 commandments.
CREDIBILITY| 2.6.12 @ 1:51PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
Ruth | 2.4.12 @ 8:44PM
The problem is not that Obama is allowing birth control, it is that Obama is making laws demanding that people do things they believe they should not. Surely there are things you believe are wrong to do, and would be outraged if the government said you had to do them? Of course you would be displeased in such an event.
runningdeer| 2.6.12 @ 12:40AM
You rant in all caps as if you are having a hysterical fit. That's just rude and it is unproductive if you are trying to make any point. So calm down and re-read the article.
This is not just about politics and it certainly isn't just about wombs. It is about freedoms and human rights and it is about human life. The politics must be the point here since without politics no civilized country operate.
" Slavery"? That is so over the top weard that it need not be mentioned but I will say that you seem to be hostile. To men? To politicians? To those who you feel are some sort of threat? Who or what I don't know or care but it's obvious that you have more issues than birth control and you are unconcerned with freedom of religion or religious rights since that isn't mentioned in your rant.
Catholics should have considered that this current president sat in a church where politics is preached as a religion. Where the Bible is used like a punch board. Pick and choose the verse that fits the political agenda and use it to make their agenda seem right and pious. Instead they fell for the act and now they might have learned that this president and his wife are fans of and supporters of their favorite charity (planned parenthood).
spike59| 2.6.12 @ 6:17AM
well, i will agree that 'abortion was never about saving a child'; it's ALWAYS been about KILLING them.
Tasine| 2.7.12 @ 9:51AM
I agree with some of what you say, but I also disagree with some. You are absolutely right that abortions are more a political tool than anyone's safety. That "tool" was designed by and instituted by the left - and never should have been. Unfortunately, the left can never leave well enough alone - and their tinkering destroys everything they touch.
I agree your body is your own - no one else's, including our government. And the infant that is begun by choice belongs to that infant, it relies on the mother, but is not "owned" by the mother. It, in the eyes of all that are good, it is owned by itself, or as believers would say, it is owned by God, and has full rights. I realize not everyone believes this way, but if one believes in the natural right to life, they must believe that way.
I venture that ALL 3000 pounds of laws on our national books are about politics and always have been. I see every law as a loss of some American's freedoms. I see laws made merely to purchase votes, not for any real reason, but merely to placate someone or some group. I see our government as a great threat to our liberties, and while you and I may disagree on the nitty gritty of issues, I believe we are in harmony re our intrusive government.
Appleby| 2.3.12 @ 6:47AM
FNS, you are clearly not a Catholic of any stripe, far less a devout Catholic, and second, you are obviously too young to have made any serious decisions yet. Your blah-blah screaming is irrelevant and unnecessary. You need to go back to your Occupy Tent and leave the serious discussion to those who with priniciples worth defending.
While Canada is not known for its civil disobedience (marching and chanting don't count), there are plenty of us who are standing up for the Catholic Church internally and cleaning house of those who are CINO for "historical" reasons rather than because they believe. Perhaps an example of the quiet, determined civil disobedience, and the closing down of services that previously helped those like Screaming Mimi above, rather than betray our commitment to God and the Church, seen happening below, will trigger small congregations and knots of congregations in Canada to stand up and say NO, even if it's what the Americans would do.
Meanwhile, I will pray for you, FNS, who clearly have painful experience with the subject or know somebody who has. When you are off your soapbox and alone with your SmartPhone, google "Rachel's Vineyard". There is help for you.
Timothy L. Pennell| 2.3.12 @ 7:02AM
Can we stop it, already, with the whole: "He Betrayed us", "He's in way over his head" "He doesn't understand", CRAP?
My Catholic friends. Open your eyes. Look at what's all around you. Everything EVIL, is on the rise, since President Peace Prize has come to power. Gay Marriage. Gays in the Military. His Administration fought for BEASTIALITY, in the Armed Forces.
"We feel Betrayed." "We were Lied to."
Of course. That's who he is.
We have a President who's Mother was an Atheist and a Communist. His Father was a Muslim and a Marxist. His Maternal Grandparents were Communists. His 1st Mentor - John Marshall Davis - was a Communist. His 2nd Mentor - Jeremiah Wright was a White Hating, Jew Hating, America Hating, Marxist. Barack Hussein Obama spent 20 Years in that White Hating, Jew Hating, America Hating, Marxist's Hate Church.
We have a President who is "Friends" with the White Hating, Jew Hating, America Hating, Nation of Islam Leader - Louis Farrakhan.
We have a Commander In Chief who began his Political Career, and is Close Friends, with two Unrepentant DOMESTIC TERRORISTS. Two people - Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, who Murdered Police Officers, Blew Up Recruiting Stations, and BOMBED THE PENTAGON.
Think: The Boys From Brazil.
He was Raised, until the age of 11, in the Muslim Schools and Mosques, of Indonesia. "Death To America!" "Death To The Jew!" He knelt on his Prayer Rug, facing Mecca, and Prayed to a God of MURDER and DEATH, and CRUELY and SLAVERY 5 times a day.
In the 3 years since he's been in Power, the Middle East has been transformed in to a Prelude to Armageddon.
Tunisia has gone over to the Islamists. He abandoned Mubarak, in favour of the Muslim Brother hood, who's first words upon toppling the old regime were: 'Now we go to WAR, against the Jew.'
He toppled Khaddafi, who was not a threat to anyone. Now, one more Jihadi Piece, is added to the Chess Board.
He REFUSES to do anything with IRAN. He REFUSES to do anything about SYRIA. Only the countries NOT in Jihadist's hands, does he deal with.
A Blind Man could see what's coming.
What? You need more?
Hamas sells Drinking Mugs, on its Official Web Site. The Mugs are adorned with the Face of OBAMA. He is wearing a Traditional Arab Hat, and the Traditional Muslim Dishrag around his neck. Hamas believes that he has been "SENT BY ALLAH" to Destroy the Jews. They believe that he is The DELIVERER, and that he will Deliver Jerusalem, back to Muslim hands. They have even given him the name: ABU HUSSAIN - Son Of The Father.
This is the President of the United States of America.
This THING, sits on the Throne of the Largest, Most Powerful Christian Nation on the Planet, and Israel's only Ally.
This is who he is. This is what he is.
He was RUNNING GUNS, for God's Sake, to Mexican Drug Cartels, so that he could use the Hundreds of MURDERED Mexican Men, Women, and CHILDREN, as Props, in his effort to eliminate the Right of Americans to Arm Themselves, against an Oppressive Government.
You don't believe me? Read what CBS wrote about it. Read what CBS wrote about the Emails. Over 1,000 people MURDERED by Obama's hand.
"And I saw the BEAST rise from the Sea. And he was given a MOUTH, to speak Haughty and Blasphemous words. And he was allowed to exercise Authority for forty two months." Revelation 13-5.
READ IT! Then, look around the world. Russia is, once again, aiding and abetting the Enemies of LIGHT. Every Country that falls to the Islamists, increases their numbers, until they are the size of the Army that is Prophesied in Revelation.
You people are supposed to be RELIGIOUS!
This sh*t isn't happening in the shadows. It's right in front of you.
Barack Hussein Obama is EVERYTHING that Hamas thinks he is. He's everything the Bible says he is. And, he's everything that I KNOW he is.
Why can't you see what I see?
oldfart| 2.3.12 @ 7:16AM
There are a lot of people who see it.
SaraB| 2.3.12 @ 7:21AM
I see it all Timothy...yet so many around me are still blind. Your words are succinct and capture what is going on perfectly. I would like to use them (with full credit to you).
W| 2.3.12 @ 7:31AM
He did not betray anyone. He was very clear about what he wanted to do and has done it. The people who feel betrayed were not listening to what he said or exaimining what he did.
oldfart| 2.3.12 @ 7:40AM
Spot On! What was it Patton said about Rommel - I read you book - or something like that. I read Obamas book and there is some pretty scary stuff in there - he put everything in print.
Prester John| 2.3.12 @ 7:50AM
Patton read Rommel's book and then used what he learned to defeat him.
Will we be smart enough to do the same to BHO?
W| 2.3.12 @ 8:12AM
Exactly, OF.
Judge him by his friends : (1) Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, two terrorrists and cop killers. Ayers dedicated a book to Sirhan Sirhan who killed Bobby Kennedy. And that idiot Teddy Kennedy endorsed Obama. (2) Rev Wright, a racist, anti semite, anti american.
Ted R.| 2.3.12 @ 8:33AM
You quote Apocalypse, and you expect anyone to take you (and your racist screed) seriously?
We're gonna drive a stake through your heart and re-elect the man, just like you did to us back in '04.
SeymourGlass| 2.3.12 @ 9:27AM
Ted R: your analogy of the "stake through your heart" re: 2004 is improper. We drove a stake through Kerry's heart, not the party's. Otherwise, your party would be dead.
Or - maybe you're making a prediction for 2016?
Ted R.| 2.3.12 @ 9:59AM
Imagine that Obama won in 2008 the way that Bush W. "won" in 2000. If you greet the prospect of a second Obama term with much wailing and gnashing of teeth NOW, just IMAGINE how bad it would be, if Obama had skated in having lost the popular vote.
That was how it felt for all Democrats, never mind that we still came damn close to beating Bush (again).
That's what you're gonna get to experience.
As far as '16 goes, your chances look good. Hatred between the parties is now too great, to allow one party to have control for more than eight years. And you have Rubio coming up. The real question is, can the Liberals get Obama to stop governing like Romney would, for at least 5 minutes.
Timothy L. Pennell| 2.3.12 @ 10:10AM
Imagine if Obama won in 2008 the way that Bush W. "won in 2000.
Let's put this out there, one more time, for the Dumb MFers that keep pushing this Liberal Fantasy.
Al Gore LOST in 2000 because he LOST Tennessee.
Capiche?
The Sitting Vice President: AL GORE - lost the 2000 Election because he Lost HIS OWN STATE.
How many Presidential Candidates Lose their own State? Have there been any? And, if there have, who was the last one to do so.
He lost his own State, DUMB*SS.
I guess the R. is for RETARDED.
Ted R.| 2.3.12 @ 10:21AM
Did I say anything about Tennesse?
You think Mitts is going to win Mass.? "Dumbass"?
The fact is that the lot of you are NOTHING but professional hypocrites. If Gore had "won" the way Bush did in 2000, you @#%&'s would NEVER have let it go. You'd be banging on about it on hate radio EVERY GODDAMN DAY. It's just one more example of that fact that the conservative psyche is fit only for hierarchy, not democracy (cue the insipid "We're not a democracy!" argument...)
Timothy L. Pennell| 2.3.12 @ 10:40AM
If Gore had Won like Bush did?
Bush won Florida. Bush had the Electoral College Votes. Bush Won it, like you're supposed to, DUMB*SS.
Every News Outlet that went down to Florida - The New York Times, The WAPO, The Atlanta Urinal and Costipation. Every Liberal RAG that you read every day, came to the same Conclusion.
George W. Bush won Fair and Square.
So, WTF are you blatherring about, you STUPID B*STARD?
He didn't win his own State, and he didn't win Florida. So why don't you just STFU?
DRed| 2.3.12 @ 11:24AM
Obama won by a fairly large margin and I read people here every week saying he won because of voter fraud. Come on, Timmy. You keep lying about Obama living for 11 years in Indonesia when I've patiently explained to you that it isn't true. You lie about Eric Holder working for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. You lie about Obama being a muslim. Every day you lie and lie and lie. Perhaps you're the one who should shut the fuck up? At least keep your bigoted ranting confined to things that are true? Would that really be so difficult?
Mickeybutane| 2.3.12 @ 3:25PM
Damn straight
TrueBlue | 2.3.12 @ 4:17PM
Actually if you want to pay attention to history (I know, it's a lost form of knowledge these days) you'll notice that in most close races that require multiple recounts it is usually the Republican candidate that bows out to save their state the money and the time without a Governor. Washington state being the most recent example of this with Dino Rossi (twice I might add, both times mysterious votes were "found" that always conveniently went to his opponents).
George S| 2.3.12 @ 11:30AM
Will Mitt Romney win Massachusetts?
TrueBlue | 2.3.12 @ 4:18PM
Probably not George, but then that's one of the many reasons he shouldn't be selected as the Republican candidate.
RCV| 2.3.12 @ 4:45PM
The list of Presidential candidates who didn't carry their home states is not short. Very partial list:
Van Buren in 1840
Polk in 1844
Douglas in 1860
Cleveland in 1888
Taft and Roosevelt in 1912
Wilson in 1916 (If you consider NJ his home state)
Smith in 1928
Hoover in 1932
Landon in 1936
Wilkie in 1940
Dewey in 1944
Stevenson in 1952 & '56
McGovern in 1972
Art C| 2.3.12 @ 9:04AM
Tim P: Bravo, well said. Many of do see the evil that this President is, although some of our clergy do not. If I could put a little eschatological input into your assessment, we are at this point in time, well into the "apostasy" spoken of by St Paul " "Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt {apostasy}first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.."2 Thess 2:3.
The sad fact is that those clergy who supported or supported BHO (a Marxist Communist Muslim) fulfill the biblical verse in Rev 12:4 " And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth". The commonly understand reference to the 1/3 of the stars being swept from the heavens is that 1/3 of the clergy will follow the Red Dragon or Communism in our latter days. In symbolic language, a star is what leads a sailor to his port. And it says in Scripture that the lips of the priest are to guard wisdom. A priest is one who leads people's ships — their souls — to Heaven. But one third of the stars of Heaven have been swept down by the tail of the dragon and dragged in the mud (ref: http://www.fatimapeaceconferen.....s/fg_5.asp).
Sr Lucy of Fatima said the reason people fall away is because they have forgotten prayer, especially the most powerful prayer outside the Mass, the Holy Rosary. This is why, now, more than ever, we, the Catholic faithful, must put on the armor of God and protect ourselves against this diabolical disorientation affecting so many "sheep" and "shephards" and pray for them , that they may not fall away.
TrueBlue | 2.3.12 @ 4:28PM
Might want to consider writing the Vatican to get them removed too. The US bishops won't do a thing about it sadly.
Honestly most of the problems I've noticed with the US arm of the Catholic Church is with the bishops and cardinals rather than the priests themselves.
And before someone starts pointing at the various abuse cases, a good number of them were found innocent, those just never got more than one line on the news ticker if at all. The reason all the priests involved disappeared isn't because they were guilty it's because their reputation was so smeared they couldn't stay here and do anything without unjust finger pointing. They were chased out by frivolous lawsuits brought on by people looking for free money and assisted by liberal lawyers looking to smack religion around.
How is it that as a non-Catholic I know more about this than all you people slandering the Church?
Jim| 2.3.12 @ 9:42AM
Foaming about the mouth again, Timothy? Time for a rabies shot, don't you think?
Timothy L. Pennell| 2.3.12 @ 10:23AM
Foaming at the Mouth? A Rabies shot?
Why do you even bother?
Your parents must be very proud.
da Monk| 2.3.12 @ 10:30AM
Well, Tim, you named his "heros". Now enumerate yours
TrueBlue | 2.3.12 @ 4:33PM
I'll do mine.
Ulysses S. Grant
George S. Patton, Jr.
Ronald Reagan
All men who knew that sometimes you have to fight, and that when you fight sometimes it is going to get really bloody, but if you are going to fight then you fight to win. None were perfect, but they were MEN.
So, da Monk, who are yours?
SUBVET| 2.3.12 @ 11:13AM
TLP ....I love the smell of your rant in the morning even though parts I seen before. It still rings true every time I read it.
Question is do we have any good guys left to stear the ship ? It kind of reminds me of one of my favorite movies....The Professionals 1966
Burt Lancaster and Robert Ryan are looking down on a train that has been taken over by "Jesus Raza" Jack Palance ......as Raza is executing the mexican soldiers one by one by shooting them in the back of the head......Robert Ryan says "What are the Americans doing in a Mexican Revolution anyway?"
Burt L. says "Maybe there's only one revolution since the beginning....... the good guys against the bad guys.......the question is who are the good guys."
I see this today.................
Timothy L. Pennell| 2.3.12 @ 11:38AM
You gotta understand. It's ROTE. A lot of people haven't seen it, and the ones that have, need to be REMINDED from time to time.
As far as "Who are the Good Guys?".
We are. Us. Our Families. Our Churches and Synagogues. Who else, is not important. What is important, is that we KNOW who the Bad Guys are, and what we need to do, to get rid of them. Trust me. The THING in the Oval Office, is nowhere near being finished, ruining this Economy. The people will come. If he destroys it (and he will) they will come.
We need to Show Up, in November and do our Duty. That's all we can do. And, GOD willing, we will Prevail.
Wasn't the Professionals on last night? Someone else was in that, too. Was it Lee Marvin?
SUBVET| 2.3.12 @ 7:16PM
Lee Marvin, Woody Strode and the ever beautiful Ms. Claudia Cardinale, me at the age of 21 she was one of my favorites she ozzed sex.
Timothy L. Pennell| 2.4.12 @ 9:00AM
Claudia Cardinale! Yowzers!
I'm with you, on that one. Especially the way she "ozzed" sex.
Just screwing with ya.
She was SMOKING HOT.
skip| 2.4.12 @ 2:20PM
One of life's eternal mysteries:
How it is this female with a license to ozze was never a Bond girl?
fckewe| 2.6.12 @ 1:25PM
She didn't speak British.
CREDIBILITY| 2.6.12 @ 1:52PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
Alfred| 2.3.12 @ 11:42AM
This man Timothy--posing as a Christian-- is obviously deranged.
Quoting Revelation to support his twisted rant is typical of those right-wingers who have gone over the edge.
I hope the FBI is monitoring this blog. Timothy seems not only unhinged but . . . highly dangerous.
Alfred| 2.3.12 @ 11:45AM
And by the way, I am a Republican, and I am voting for Romney.
So don't start screeching that I am a left-wing troll.
Ed| 2.3.12 @ 11:47AM
Alfred, I, too, am worried about the vitriol spewing from the mouths of men like Timothy.
There are a lot of nut cases on the political right and left, and they often result to violence.
That's why posters to this blog should watch their language.
Timothy L. Pennell| 2.3.12 @ 6:02PM
Maybe you and Alfred should get a room?
SUBVET| 2.3.12 @ 7:23PM
That's the problem.......ALFRED there is no more Republican Party and you sir are the problem you just don't think. Do some homework who knows you just might be an "independent" thinker.
George Soros----"We think either Obama or Romney's fine, but Gingrich, he would change things".
fckewe| 2.6.12 @ 1:26PM
OH GOD PLEASE don't lump Alfie in with us SANE folks at the back of the bus!! Don't ya'll have room up there in dem WHITE seats?
CREDIBILITY| 2.6.12 @ 1:53PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
Mickeybutane| 2.3.12 @ 3:32PM
And you cupcake are a Ass
StephenF| 2.3.12 @ 11:58AM
Great post TLP.
fckewe| 2.6.12 @ 1:24PM
Dude!!! The 3's of all those thing YOU hate have remained the same as they always have been. Why was Little Richard blacklisted and Michael Jackson acquitted? hahaha Because GOD doesn't care. not about Child molesters of happy gay singers, or YOU>
CREDIBILITY| 2.6.12 @ 1:54PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
Dr. X| 2.3.12 @ 7:45AM
Are you KIDDING me? Catholics rise up and practice civil disobedience against a DEMOCRAT? Good grief. Never happen. First of all, when Jesus called the people his "flock" it wasn't a compliment! As a former sheep owner, I can tell you that sheep are STUPID and they will follow the rest of the herd. This is the cornerstone of Democratic politics AND Catholic politics.
Second the government will ruthlessly crush any right-wing, conservative, or religious opposition. Anyone out there remember Randall Terry and the the anti-abortion movement of the 1990s???
The Leftist counterculture is now mainstream. They'll tolerate Occupy Wall Street and Gay Pride marches indefinitely, but the first whiff of conservative reaction will be labeled "terrorist" and crushed.
Silver Bullet| 2.3.12 @ 9:31AM
Don't lump all Catholics in the same boat. Many of us have been deeply offended by the leftist pandering of our clergy especially for the last 50 years.
When I see Bishops arrested for civil disobedience to Obama's dictates instead of being hauled to (civil) court for sexual crimes committed on their watch, THEN I will believe that the Bishops have reformed. Not until then.
As a Catholic, this is put-up-or-shut-up time for ALL 250 Bishops. I want to see ALL of them arrested -- en masse -- for civil disobedience. Problem is, though: I think that the majority of our Bishops STILL would vote for Obama to be re-elected, even AFTER all Obama's crimes.
And, yes, Obama IS a CRIMINAL. HE is the one who needs to be arrested. If need be, by one of our Generals returning from overseas.
jaytrain | 2.3.12 @ 9:55AM
The Churclh lost its moral leadership years ago .One simple and damning example was the failure , the cowardly and craven , failure to fothrightly and publicly excommunicate Ted Kennedy and his ilk 30 years ago for openly espousing heresy . Call it what you will a prochoice political position is heresy , and nothing less . I will not trouble the reader for the reasons that Archbishop O'Connor did not stand up , as they are too well known to repeat .As said in the play , now the devil has turned on the Church and all the laws , moral , being flat there is no protection from Evil .
Windy City Commentary| 2.3.12 @ 5:36PM
Doesn't look like they are going to excommunicate Madame Secretary Sebelius either. I don't understand why not.
numbatdog| 2.3.12 @ 8:01AM
In WW2 the papacy , to it's everlasting shame, turned a blind eye to the nazi's slaughter of innocent European Jewry.
If American Catholics comply with this latest outrage, they will again be turning a blind eye - to to the slaughter of the innocent unborn.
Vlady| 2.3.12 @ 8:19AM
"In WW2 the papacy , to it's everlasting shame, turned a blind eye to the nazi's slaughter of innocent European Jewry."
As a Jew with Jewish family who were rescued and sheltered by Catholics in Europe during this time, I can say emphatically that you LIE.
At the very least, you don't know WTF you are talking about.
numbatdog| 2.3.12 @ 9:28AM
Firstly, I said the papacy. There were many examples of Jews being bravely sheltered by individual Catholics and churches in WW2. That is not in dispute.
What is in dispute is the utterances of the Pope under nazi occupation and deportation of Italian Jews.
In Hitler's Pope by historian John Cornwell - about Pius XII, Pope during the Holocaust, the author lists many uncomfortable facts:
After months of pleas to say something about the extermination of Europe's Jews, Pius finally spoke in Dec 1942. He made a vague, pathetic reference to "those hundreds of thousands who, without any fault of their own, sometimes only by reason of their nationality and race, are marked for death or gradual extinction". These diplomatic words could mean anything, and were chosen not to antagonise the Germans or break his neutrality. He did not mention the Jews. He did not mention the Nazis. He never would, until after the war.
The encyclical Mystici Corporis (June 1943) is perhaps the defining example of the Catholic church's silence during the war. Some vague, weak complaints about euthanasia, which don't mention the Nazis by name, and don't even mention what country is meant to be referred to. Not a word about the ferocious extermination of the Jews burning across Europe, which the Vatican was by this time well aware of.
Pius XII never used the word "Jew" in any of his wartime speeches. Nor did he ever use the phrase "anti-Semitism".
Pius made no public protest over the deportation and killing of these men, women, children and babies. None.
To be fair , here are some opposing views.
Defenders of the Pope
A Righteous Gentile: Pope Pius XII and the Jews, by Rabbi David Dalin, does not deny the Pope's public silence, but argues that explicit public protest would have made things worse. I find this unconvincing, especially if the church had taken a strong moral stand from 1933.
Pius XII as Scapegoat, by Michael Novak, does not deny the vagueness of the Pope's abstract condemnations, but argues that these were "cleverly" designed to be read as condemning the Nazis without violating neutrality. Maybe so, but it begs the question as to why the church was "neutral" in the first place.
Anthony| 2.3.12 @ 9:53AM
Pius XII was no fool. To quote Stalin, how many divisions did the Pope have?
So he sat in luxurious silence in order to insure that Hitler didn't make the Vatican his Italian summer compound.
Martyrdom was not on the Pope's list of things to do.
numbatdog| 2.3.12 @ 12:39PM
Pastor Niemoller had some memorable words about not speaking up in the face of evil -
"When Hitler attacked the Jews
I was not a Jew, therefore I was not concerned.
And when Hitler attacked the Catholics,
I was not a Catholic, and therefore, I was not concerned.
And when Hitler attacked the unions and the industrialists,
I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned.
Then Hitler attacked me and the Protestant church --
and there was nobody left to be concerned."
Nick| 2.3.12 @ 11:55AM
numbatdog,
No one did more to save Jews, during WWII, than did the Holy Father, Venerable Pope Pius XII (soon to be Saint Pius XII.) He is credited with saving more than 800,000 Jews, by ordering baptism certificates be issued them.
Cornwell is no historian. He is as much of a historian as algore is a climate scientist. His book was debunked about 2 seconds after it came out. It was ripped to shreds by actual historians.
You should take back your libelous calumnies, immediately. You should also educate yourself on this subject, so as not to embarrass yourself in the future.
numbatdog| 2.4.12 @ 8:53AM
Lets accept that Cornwell is discredited and look at some other sources -
The International Catholic-Jewish Historical Commission (ICJHC), a group comprised of three Jewish and three Catholic scholars, was appointed in 1999 by the Holy See's Commission for Religious Relations with the Jews. In October of 2000, the group of scholars finished their review of the Vatican's archives, and submitted their preliminary findings to the Comission's then-President, Cardinal Edward I Cassidy. Their report, entitled "The Vatican and the Holocaust," laid to rest several of the conventional defenses of Pope Pius XII.
The often-espoused view that the Pontiff was unaware of the seriousness of the situation of European Jewry during the war was definitively found to be inaccurate. Numerous documents demonstrated that the Pope was well-informed about the full extent of the Nazi's anti-Semitic practices. A letter from Konrad von Preysing, Bishop of Berlin, that proved that the Pope was aware of the situation as early as January of 1941, particularly caught the attention of the commission. In that letter, Preysing confirms that "Your Holiness is certainly informed about the situation of the Jews in Germany and the neighboring countries. I wish to mention that I have been asked both from the Catholic and Protestant side if the Holy See could not do something on this subject...in favor of these unfortunates." The letter, which was a direct appeal to the Pope himself, without intermediaries, provoked no response. In 1942, an even more compelling eyewitness account of the mass-murder of Jews in Lwow was sent to the Pope by an archbishop; this, too, garnered no response.
The commission also revealed several documents that cast a negative light on the claim that the Vatican did all it could to facilitate emigration of the Jews out of Europe.
Conclusion
The Pope's reaction to the Holocaust was complex and inconsistent. Whatever his motivation, it is hard to escape the conclusion that the Pope, like so many others in positions of power and influence, could have done more to save the Jews.
Nick| 2.4.12 @ 2:06PM
numbatdog,
When citing a source, it is customary to actually name the source.
The ICJHC was a failure. They never issued a final report. They acted in bad faith and leaked to the press. Two of the commission's members, Reich and Wistrich, have claimed that they were promised access to the Vatican archives, without any proof. Dr. Eugene Fisher and Rev. Gerald Fogarty, SJ (a Commission member) both denied such a promise was made.
You can read the whole story here:
http://www.ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/CMMSSP12.HTM
Here is another juicy tidbit, from the same article by :
"The Vatican referred the Commission to [Rev. Peter Gumpel, S.J. ( the Vatican official who is the independent judge for Pius XII's beatification)], who prepared detailed answers to all 47 questions, many of which could be easily answered. The Jesuit said that his meeting with the scholars, which was recorded on tape, was cordial. At one point, Rabbi Feldman said that he personally remembered Eugenio Pacelli, the papal nuncio in Germany and future Pius XII, keeping silent and not doing anything as he watched the Nazis burn books in Berlin in 1933. Gumpel politely replied that this was impossible since Pacelli had left Berlin in 1929 to become the Vatican Secretary of State and never returned. 'After that,' Gumpel told this writer, 'Feldman sat back down, didn't say another word, and eventually fell asleep.'" (Emphasis mine.)
Again, it is a fact that Venerable Pope Pius XII is responsible for saving more than 800,000 Jews.
It is a fact that not one individual did more to save as many Jews, not even Oscar Schindler.
It is also a fact that these calumnies against Pius XII were started by marxists who produced a play, The Deputy (1963), in order to discredit Pius XII. Because he was as anti-communist as he was anti-nazi.
Finally, it is a fact that all of these left-wing attacks against the Holy Father have failed.
This is why he will be canonized a Saint of the Church.
And, this does not take away from all of the other heroic acts performed by individual Catholics, both lay and clerics, and by many Protestants, as well. Yes, more should have been done by everyone. This is easy to say by those of us who live in a free and much more peaceful world than the those of the WWII era.
We should spend more time telling the stories of those who acted heroically, like Pius XII, instead of inventing libelous questions like whether they could have done more.
W| 2.4.12 @ 3:16PM
Nick,
As usual, brilliant. You are indispensable in the daily war against the ill informed and the puposely misleading barbarians whose purpose in life is to attack the popes and Catholics.
I asked why nobody questions why FDR and Churchill did nothing to stop the Holocaust. If the Pope knew then obviously FDR and Churchill knew and they had the military power to act. If you single out a pope with no military but don't question FDR and Churchill who commanded the most powerful military in the world, then you have to question the motives of those attacking the pope.
Have a great weekend.
Nick| 2.4.12 @ 4:32PM
Thank you, W. You flatter me with such praise. Of which, I am undeserving.
You make a great point. I remember seeing, somewhere, that either FDR, or it might have been P.M. Churchill, sometime in 1944, was asked by some Jewish leaders to bomb the railway infrastructure in and around Auschwitz, in an attempt to slow-down the killing there.
For some reason, I can't remember why, this was never done. We will never know how many lives could have been saved. But, as you stated, no one ever admonishes FDR or Churchill for not doing everything they could have done concerning the Holocaust.
If I recall my history correctly, the number of bombers in the possession of the Vatican, during WWII, was, umm, ZERO!
Hope you have a great weekend, as well.
God Bless!
StephenF| 2.3.12 @ 12:00PM
This book, Hitler's Pope, has been completely debunked. Get your facts right.
Vlady| 2.3.12 @ 7:31PM
"In Hitler's Pope by historian John Cornwell - about Pius XII, Pope during the Holocaust, the author lists many uncomfortable facts"
The uncormfortable fact is that that rag was discredited by many scholars, including Jewish ones. You need to learn some history. The Chief Rabbi of Rome specifically thanked Pius for all he had done on behalf of the Jews in WWII. Just because he didn't go about bragging on it doesn't make it any less real.
And many of those Catholics who sheltered my family did it on the express orders of Pius himself. As for being "neutral" that seems to be part of their job.
W| 2.3.12 @ 7:45PM
Vlady,
You may be interested in a book by Elizabeth Bettina "It Happened in Italy" about how Jews in Italy were hid from the Nazis. She also has a website www.ElizabethBettina.com
spike59| 2.6.12 @ 6:20AM
'Hitler's Pope' has as much factual basis as does 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion'...or 'The Stinky Cheese Man'
fckewe| 2.6.12 @ 1:27PM
Render unto Caesar... The Pope was obeying orders. how many JEWS in YOUR Country Club numbiedog?
CREDIBILITY| 2.6.12 @ 1:57PM
"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
fckewe | 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM
Mark MacInnis| 2.3.12 @ 10:51AM
Individual Catholics were courageous and compassionate to some jews in Europe during WWII, saving their lives by risking their own.
However, the Catholic Heirarchy in Rome had the knowledge of the Final Solution being perpetrated and chose to speak out or act on it.
He does not lie. You are just ignorant of history...
W| 2.3.12 @ 8:24PM
Mark and others with similar views,
You are wrong, but for the sake of argument, if the Pope knew about the "Final Solution being perpetrated.." then FDR, Churchill and other secular leaders knew and did not speak out.
And in answer to Stalin's question about how many divisions the Pope had, how many divisions did FDR and Churchill have? Why did they not speak out? Why are you focusing your phony outrage against the Pope and not FDR and Churchill?
The answer is obvious. You are seeking cheap points against the Pope and not really concerned about the Jews, otherwise you would be focusing your outrage against the perpeptrators (Nazis) and commenting why FDR and Churchill said and did nothing because they had much more power to stop the Holocaust that did the Pope.
Clint| 2.3.12 @ 8:26AM
That's A Lie.
You're A Liar, Dog.
" Rabbi Lapide records that "in Rome we saw a list of 155 convents and monasteries—Italian, French, Spanish, English, American, and also German—mostly extraterritorial property of the Vatican . . . which sheltered throughout the German occupation some 5,000 Jews in Rome. No less than 3,000 Jews found refuge at one time at the Pope’s summer residence at Castel Gandolfo; sixty lived for nine months at the Jesuit Gregorian University, and half a dozen slept in the cellar of the Pontifical Bible Institute."
Notice in particular that the Pope was not merely allowing Jews to be hidden in different church buildings around Rome. He was hiding them in the Vatican itself and in his own summer home, Castel Gandolfo. His success in protecting Italian Jews against the Nazis was remarkable. Lichten records that after the War was over it was determined that only 8,000 Jews were taken from Italy by the Nazis —far less than in other European countries. In June,1944, Pius XII sent a telegram to Admiral Miklos Horthy, the ruler of Hungary, and was able to halt the planned deportation of 800,000 Jews from that country.
The Pope’s efforts did not go unrecognized by Jewish authorities, even during the War. The Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, Isaac Herzog, sent the Pope a personal message of thanks on February 28, 1944, in which he said: "The people of Israel will never forget what His Holiness and his illustrious delegates, inspired by the eternal principles of religion which form the very foundations of true civilization, are doing for us unfortunate brothers and sisters in the most tragic hour of our history, which is living proof of divine Providence in this world."
Jack in Wi.| 2.3.12 @ 10:21AM
Great job Clint: Israel Zolli Chief Rabbi of Rome converted to Catholicism in 1945, because he came to believe in Catholicism. He also worked with the Pope and saw what a fine man he was. I have read numerous accounts of Jews who escaped the Holocaust. In almost all cases there was some Catholic there who helped him along the way.
Pope Pius the 11th condemned National Socialism and it's racist ideology in 1937, in his wonderful encyclical Mitt Brenender Sorge. It was written in German, smuggled into Germany, and read in almost every Catholic church in the country. Pius the 12th was his Secretary of State who helped edit the Document. Rabbi Dalin has written a fine biography of Pius the 12th. Sir Martin Gilbert, the Jewish biographer, of Winston Churchill has commented on and defended, the fine efforts of the Pope to save Jews. The Israeli Kinesset sent the national orchestra to play for the Pope on his 80th birthday. The day he died numerous Jewish and Israeli leaders called the Pope a great friend of the Jews, who stood with us in our greatest need. That includes Golda Meir, then the Israeli foreign minister. Cornwall is a former Catholic bigot who's whole book is full of a tissue of lies.
W| 2.3.12 @ 8:14AM
What specifics can be done for the civil disobedience? Are you talking about not complying with the regulation requiring the abortion and contraception services? Can you be specific?
Ted| 2.3.12 @ 8:22AM
Stalin thought very little of the Church. Even asked how many divisions the Pope had.... The Soviets also thought an Archbishop from Krakow was a milquetoast...
We have been down this road before, and history shows that those folks, like our "present" President (like that pun?), who decided to try and destroy the Church, didn't do so well.
W| 2.3.12 @ 8:32AM
Yet it was the Polish Pope and Polish Catholic Church, with the Solidarity Union with Lech Walechs ( along with Reagan and Thatcher) that played a big part in the downfall of the Soviet Empire. Sometimes you do not need divisions.
LarryK| 2.3.12 @ 8:55AM
Ignorance Abounds.
Derek Leaberry| 2.3.12 @ 9:03AM
If you remember that the Left hates virtually everything that happened in history before 1960- and especially the Catholic Church and Christianity- it shouldn't surprise anyone that Obama and the Democrats seek to humiliate the Roman Catholic church. What the Catholic church should do in the event of an Obama re-election is to drop all the health policies that they run, close all the Catholic hospitals, and excommunicate all Catholic politicians who support the Obama policy.
Ward Bond| 2.3.12 @ 9:37AM
Something else. Churches of all faiths control a lot of money. Will obama try to change tax laws to get at it?
The Bishop| 2.3.12 @ 9:29AM
Although not Catholic, I have lived in South Bend, Indiana for more than 40 years, so I have an affinity for Notre Dame and it's successes. But the awarding of that honorary doctorate almost three years ago to this fraud foisted on the United States was one of the most reprehensible acts of this politically pandering institution. Observing faithful Catholics who protested being arrested for this betrayal was vomitous. Kmiec was formerly a professor at ND and he has obviously sold out completely. The Catholic hierarchy has embraced this phony and is now living with the consequences. My sympathies to their supporting flocks.
markenoff| 2.3.12 @ 1:10PM
I am a Catholic who was born in northern Indiana and who was a Notre Dame fan for the first 42 years of my life. But I lost my affinity for ND when they revealed their racist character. Not when they fired Ty Willingham but when they invited Obama to speak and gave him an honorary degree. They judged him not by the content of his character but by the color of his skin. He was THE most extreme pro-baby killer candidate in the Democrat stable in 2008. If it had been Biden (a pro-baby killer "Catholic"), Edwards or H. Clinton (B. Clinton was never invited) who won in 2008 none of them would have been invited to ND. Obama was there only because of his skin color.
jlkthree| 2.3.12 @ 9:32AM
9.9% unemployment in Florida.There will be no second term.
Mark MacInnis| 2.3.12 @ 11:05AM
8.3% Unemployment nationwide. 5 straight months of decline reported, (whether the numbers are real or not, is another issue...) Obama's re-election, sadly, is assured.
Isn't it interesting that, since the Patriot act, you can no longer travel across the borders to Canada and Mexico without a passport? They are setting up the Obama Curtain to keep us all in.
WRTolkas| 2.3.12 @ 9:57AM
Bishop Alexander Sample of the Diocese of Marquette, Michigan may have fired the first round across the bow of that Kenyan-socialist-community-organizer's ship of state:
http://dioceseofmarquette.org/
I am not a Catholic; however, I am going to distribute copies of his letter to my congregation.
I like Michigan's U.P., and I like the people. If obama's brownshirts come for the Bishop, it will be on heck of a interesting confrontation.
We in Michigan will remember your treachery "Little Debbie" Stabenow.
Everyone, have a safe weekend.
WRTolkas
Penelope Garbe| 2.3.12 @ 11:12AM
Great column!!! Yes, all the left-Catholics are not getting it that when you lay down with a dog like Obama, you will get a lot more than just fleas!
Melvin| 2.3.12 @ 1:56PM
It is quite simple really, the Left-Catholics merely use their Catholicism as a front to send their kids to the Catholic schools because government run schools are what one would describe as woefully inadequate.
Nancy Pelosi, and Joe Biden are the poster children of Catholic wannabes, the love to talk the talk, but their being Socialists prevents them from embracing Catholic dogma. This is just no regulated to them. Cardinal Mahony and present company fall into that category as well. The love to wear the Cassock and all the trimmings, but to teach and spread the word of Catholicism, nah, that is too old school. Better taught with a Leftist bent.
Bill| 2.3.12 @ 11:18AM
Obama's 2nd term:
1. another $ 1 trillion stimulus bill
2. Amnesty and DREAM Act for illegals
3. Reducing the defence budget by another $1 trillion and the size of the Army by 250,000
4. Pull out troops from Afganistian
5. The SC will uphold the ObamaCare
6. another $5 trillion debt, totalling $21 trillion debt for our future generation
Jeanne| 2.3.12 @ 11:20AM
obama sounds just like Adolf Hitler, who also attacked the church in Germany while quoting the Bible and saying this that sounded good. Don't believe me? Read more history.
David| 2.3.12 @ 12:12PM
Timothy, I do like a lot of your rants, especially the ones when you list details of who Bam Bam is and what he has done.
Knowing what we all knew, or should have known because it was out there for everyone to see, 52% of the voter are complete idiots. That said, he has a very good chance to be re-elected. Stock market up, unemployment down 5th month in a row, etc..
But Timothy, you can make your points and trash people like the pro-abort folks without some of the language you use. I think you would get more consideration for your point of view if you did that.
Just a suggestion.
Ed| 2.3.12 @ 12:19PM
Timothy loves to throw the loathsome "motherfucker" around.
He's a real class act.
skip| 2.3.12 @ 6:45PM
You fail to mention any criticism of what he states, just that the way he states it upsets you emotionally.
Show some class, rebut him with intelligence and honesty based on reason and experience devoid of emotional prattle.
Ed| 2.3.12 @ 12:18PM
When either the New or Old Testaments of the Bible want to portray a really vile, nasty ruler, that ruler orders the killing of newborn infants. Both Pharaohs in Exodus, and Herod the Great in the Gospels, engaged in this practice. Greeks, Romans, and Philistines also engaged in infanticide as a general policy. You do not have to "read between the lines" very much before you realize that this is one thing that God really hates.
Jews, Christians, and Moslems have all done some bad things in their past, but infanticide was not one of them. It does not take much effort to realize that God also wants to protect infants in utero.
Ed| 2.3.12 @ 12:22PM
The above Ed is not me. He is using my moniker to express his "infanticide" views, and abortion is not infanticide because a fetus is not an infant.
An infant lives outside the womb. Look up the meaning in the dictionary.
Mimi| 2.3.12 @ 2:42PM
Ed....You were once a FETUS as we all were! Once I had a fetus in me 8 times I am so glad I didn't kill any of them....they are ALL so beautiful as are there CHILDREN. Also LOGIC is a beautiful thing....don't you agree....INDEED!
Suzy| 2.3.12 @ 12:25PM
infant
noun
1.A very young child: babe, baby, bambino, neonate, newborn, nursling. Idioms: bundle of joy. See kin, youth/age/maturity.
2.One who is not yet legally of age: child, juvenile. Law minor. See law, youth/age/maturity.
Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/infant#ixzz1lLBDVTUY
Nick| 2.3.12 @ 1:37PM
Fetus: Latin for unborn baby.
J.C.Eaton| 2.3.12 @ 12:56PM
Ed[I refer to the pro-abortionist Ed].We will not come to common ground on this issue....never. You will continue to take comfort in the easy belief thatlife doesnot count as such until it's playing softball or going to kindergarten or something. [for some reason I'm fearful that you think along the lines of Peter Singer, hope I'm wrong] I only write to tell you that I understand your committment to your position; you understand, please my committment to the side of life. It really is a waste of your time to post......you live with your choice; I'll live with mine.
Bob S| 2.3.12 @ 1:21PM
All well and good, we suppose. The Roman church ought to vigorously oppose GWObama's latest move.
Neither did we have any idea how far in the tank the church was in favor of our rabidly abortionist, pro homosexual president.
Yet when Mr. Neumayr tells us that: "The bishops have spent a great deal of the Church's treasure on ignoble lawsuits, paying off the victims of pedophile priests", one has to object.
Rather they were legitimate lawsuits paying off for the antics of homosexual priests and the pro homosexual policy of the Roman church, the coverup of which scandal went all the way to the top and his most eminent holiness, the pope.
Sorry.
As for GWO's war on Islam, the Protestant Reformation viewed the pope and Muhammed as respectively, the western and eastern antichrist, sent in the providence of God to a disobedient church. And the founding genius and principle of this country is protestant, regardless of Maryland and its largely Roman population, i.e. a written constitution, separation of powers, separation of church and state etc.
Yes, the First Amendment applies to the Roman church (which I was born into) and it ought to vociferously oppose the recent. But neither are we to forget the religious tyrannies of the past in opposing the regnant secular. Opposition to the former is in part is what won us our present civil liberties.
markenoff| 2.3.12 @ 1:31PM
14TH Amendement to the Constitution: "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. "
Our system of justice is skewed to err on the side of those with less power both in the criminal area (burden of production of evidence and proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt is on the prosecution) and in civil (ambiguities in contracts are interpreted in favor of the one who did not write the contract).
Whether the unborn human life gowing inside a woman is a "person" for purposes of the 14th Amendment may not be provable. But you also cannot prove that the unborn human life gowing inside a woman is NOT a "person" for purposes of the 14th Amendment. Since the weaker party is obviously the unborn human life gowing inside the woman logically we should err on the side of protecting the the unborn human life gowing inside the woman.
You don't need to be a lecturer in Constitutional law for that to be within your pay grade.
Martin Owens| 2.3.12 @ 1:39PM
Vurst dey came fur der Catholicks...
Kathleen| 2.3.12 @ 2:24PM
Mr. Neumayr's essay is spot-on. He has hit all the marks. Our Novus Ordo Bishops and the rest of the hierarchy did it to themselves. They feign shock! Are there any good priests left? Sure-the ones who have rejected the Novus Ordo and have returned to the Traditional Latin Mass.
David| 2.3.12 @ 2:29PM
Suzy and Ed, and I believe the term fetus means "young one".
Melvin| 2.3.12 @ 2:34PM
In actuality, there is no great shortage of non-religious medical facilities to perform the medical procedures that the current administration is promoting.
That is a non argument. What it is, through Socialist, bureaucratic, lawyerisms is forcing through the power of government religious medical facilities to perform medical procedures that violate, go against church teachings, doctrine, or dogma.
In this case the Catholic Church has been singled out as what will be an example of absolute government power over a religion, that will be brought to it's knees and forced to capitulate or face financial ruin. It is as if Obama is telling the Catholic Church, "Man, I don't care what your God says, I'm God, you do what I, and my philosophy demand." After all remember all those media types proclaiming Obama a deity right after the election, when the euphoria was at its peak?
Cardinal Mahony and company for all practical purposes have lost the faith as it is written. Being invited to all those Democrat social and official functions and being treated like a rock star only to be used as an useful idiot on a as needed basis, when a Cassock makes a nice background prop tends to make one distance himself from his faith.
Mimi| 2.3.12 @ 2:58PM
Melvin...He keeps on with all this stuff...he's gonna get himself IMPEACHED.
The government the FOUNDERS formed said that you cannot establish a RELIGION or impede the practice of thereof. Too many country's ran the show as a religious state....Not us...we are free to practice or not...BUT the GOV. can't stop it, do anything to harm it.
Obama is anathema and seems foriegn to the American way...He's lacking something that we all instinctly have in our nature....to even think this stuff up is STRANGE to most of us.....This is BRAZEN testing of the watersof how much we will tolerate. BRAVO to the BISHOPS....and Yes we smell " ADOLPH-LIKE" stuff in the air!
ELECTED....NEVER ! He's over the line...the DEMS better get nervous....When all the BISHOPS are up in arms....WOW..EEE !!!
Melvin| 2.3.12 @ 3:56PM
Mimi, I guess one could say that I am a Catholic in the making. My wife of 29 years is a Roman Catholic, who has been very patient with me.
There is no better sound that a traditional Catholic spoken in Latin Mass with all the bells and whistles.
The utter history and tradition of a religion that goes back forever, is imposing. There are those that say, "We need to modernize, make it more with the way things are nowadays." No we don't, today we are impatient and screw thins up quickly.
Listening to my wife being brought up in the Catholic faith is like listening to a persons singular journey through life.
From the Pope on down better get jacked up and rise with one unifying voice and body slam the self proclaimed man god.
Mimi| 2.3.12 @ 5:44PM
Congrat to you Melvin you chose a wife well!
One thing about being Catholic....You live with ETERNITY on your mind...God Bless!
SF_Exile| 2.3.12 @ 4:22PM
As with many other Catholics I am angry about Obama's move. However, it does not surprise me. As the author stated, there's never been any hiding of this administration's anti-Catholic agenda and the use of those from within our own ranks to make it happen was ingenious. Left leaning CINOs like Joe Biden and Kathleen Sibelius, et al cause scandal within the ranks. And when I use that word, I mean it in its true sense: that which is the cause of moral stumbling.
Interestingly, it seems that around the mid-50s (post-war?) there was this collective attempt within Catholic circles, particularly those in more urban, eastern centers, to downplay those obvious outward signs of Catholic identity which perhaps seemed to be embarrassing or old-fashioned - the Mass in Latin, meatless Fridays, chapel veils, etc. All those things which set Catholic culture apart from the rest of American culture. Obviously there's more to it than that, but to a non-Catholic, those were the things which indicated we were "other". Was it a conscious effort by those who wished to distance themselves from their immigrant beginnings and thus their Catholic roots? Did this have something to do with the increase in Catholics rising into the middle class and on to higher education? Given the philosophies of those who made up (and still do) the faculties of most universities, these actions are not surprising. It's no coincidence that this was about the time when liberal Catholic theologians, scientists and various politicians were attempting to reconcile the Pill with Catholic moral teaching.
This fawning at the feet of Obama calls to mind the image of a gawky, unpopular adolescent who decides to jettison all that they were raised to respect and cherish in exchange for looks, wealth and that one thing they so badly crave: acceptance into the popular clique. Like Sally Field, these needy Catholics ran around, crying, "You really like me!" upon being allowed in. But here's the bitter truth: those in power within the clique really didn't. In exchange for this membership, they were told they would need to forgo any outward expression of their faith - that's just for behind closed doors and amongst yourselves. The public square is off limits.
And they rolled over.
So, emboldened by the lack of push-back, those in power within this clique are going to twist the screws a little more, the thought being that if they can continue to sideline these folks, eventually they will have no more fight left in them and will give up and shut up.
Meanwhile, those who were left behind, those who chose to "cling" to the old ways have been quietly making inroads, all the while being figuratively spat upon and called the religious right as if it were a curse-word.
While I hope this will be a mobilizing event, I wonder. Within my own parish here in SF there will undoubtedly be a collective shrugging of the shoulders and business as usual.
David| 2.3.12 @ 5:11PM
Melvin, you sound like my mother: "The latin mass is so pretty". Soooooooo what ..........as a Protestant myself......................we don't go to church to hear pretty sounds and to feel good..........we go to church to get fed the Word of God, to Worship God, and to assemble ourselves with like-minded believer.
irishsmile| 2.3.12 @ 6:34PM
I don't know about your mother....
however the Latin Mass is a beautiful mediataion and prayer to Our Lord. The word of God is dominant at the Latin Mass. If you don't understand, please don't criticize others in their worship.
JP| 2.3.12 @ 8:39PM
Catholics have one and only reason for attending Mass - to consume the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ. Everything else is seocndary.
Windy City Commentary| 2.3.12 @ 5:40PM
What's Bart Stupak have to say about this? Old Bart could have kept Obamacare from passing, but he caved. Where's that executive order you got from Obama, Mr. Stupak? You blew it Stupak.
Silver Bullet| 2.3.12 @ 8:13PM
Stupak = Benedict Arnold.
Fred Farkel| 2.5.12 @ 9:52AM
Stupak is history, his district sent him pakking so he is now a former congress critter.
Chris Kindred| 2.3.12 @ 5:45PM
The history of Pennsylvania is deeply rooted in a belief in the protection of religious freedom. William Penn sought a safe haven not just for Quakers, but for all religions and envisioned Pennsylvania as a "Holy Experiment" where all people of faith could freely practice their beliefs. Prior to the founding of Pennsylvania, Quakers in England were faced with a situation not unlike that faced by Catholics today due to the HHS ruling/mandate. The Quaker Act of 1662 made it illegal to refuse to take the Oath of Allegiance to King and country. Additionally, those refusing to take the oath were not allowed to hold secret meetings. Since the Quakers believed it wrong to take an oath, this law, while not directly banning their faith, did effectively ensure that it could not be freely practiced.
Today, due to the mandate issued by HHS, the Catholic Church is faced with a similar challenge. There are only two methods to adhere to the law. The first would be to comply and provide health insurance plans that contain coverage for procedures that are at odds with our religious beliefs. This is not acceptable. The second method of adherence to the law would require us to minister, through our Catholic hospitals and health agencies, exclusively to Catholics. This would violate the example of Christ, and as such, is also unacceptable. Therefore we can not comply with this mandate, and we will not. Essentially, the Catholic Church - and other religions - are being told that they can have their faith, but not freely exercise it. This is a gross violation of our 1st Amendment rights, and although we may not agree on every issue, we must stand united in defense of freedom to worship AND practice our faith. If the government is allowed the power to limit the practice of our faith on these specific issues, what is to say that this, or any other future administration, will not seek to further limit us in regards to other aspects of our faith? We must joint in solidarity and protest now, or to paraphrase Lutheran pastor Martin Niemoller, there will eventually be no one left to speak out later.
patroness| 2.3.12 @ 5:57PM
LORD, HAVE MERCY!
Mimi| 2.3.12 @ 5:59PM
This Obamacare thing has got to go! It's killing the country...Sloppily written, hurried, careless, all kinds of attacks on all our freedoms, forced and coerced, browbeaten, manipulated into passing,....nothing but bad news about its cost...if we are smart we will distroy the darned law once and for all!
Looks like it is the vehicle that will carry obama into early retirement...and happy Golfing!
FiddlerBob| 2.3.12 @ 6:03PM
Just as God promised the Jews that the King they clamoured for (against His advice) would be chosen from among them (Saul), our Constitution promises that our President will be a natural born citizen - that is one born in the country to two citizen parents. (This is the definition understood by our founders and established as binding legal precedent by the Supreme Court in Minor v Happersett, 1875)
Mr. Obama has clearly established that he was born under British jurisdiction. His dad was a British/Kenyan subject. Therefor, Mr. Obama is not a natural born citizen of the USA. He is not legally eligible to be President. Nothing he has done or will do in that office is legal or binding except through the force of tyranny.
If the membership of the Church and all other Christian and Jewish faithful really want to do something about Mr. Obama and his evil minions, perhaps we should start by reading the Constitution an doing what it says.
Mr. Obama is only in office because the righteous bury their heads in the sand and refuse to speak up and demand that we respect our own laws. Perhaps our Bishops/Priests/Rabbis/Clergy could spend a couple of minutes in their homilies/sermons educating the people about how God's wisdom is reflected in our Constitution.
VBMax| 2.3.12 @ 7:48PM
FB,
What you have posted is 100% true. It is so frustrating to have otherwise intelligent people treat the issue with scorn or ridicule. Just try making the case for Rubio or Jindal not being natural born citizens and you'll see what I mean.
David| 2.3.12 @ 7:19PM
Irishsmile and Melvin, I failed to state my point clearly. Church is not to hear pretty sounds and to feel good, it is to hear and UNDERSTAND the Word of God.
I take it you both speak Latin - huh? Well, my mother doesn't and STILL prefers the latin mass. I know she's my mother, but that is just stupid.
JP| 2.3.12 @ 8:44PM
Holy Communion is the sole reason we attend the Mass. The Latin Mass (or Trinitine Rite) does a much better job predisposing the person to the Consercration of Christ and the partaking of Holy Communion. BTW, Catholics are forebidden from taking Holy Communion if they have the stain of Mortal Sin on thier soul. The President's actions are forcing Catholics to subsidize the evils known as artificial contraception and abortion.
PJ| 2.3.12 @ 10:11PM
Mortal sin exists if the known grave action was freely chosen.
JP| 2.5.12 @ 9:42AM
If Catholic Bishops and superiors knowingly participate in ObamaCare (as dictated by HHS) they carry the stain of Mortal Sin on thier souls. This is serious business.
POST American| 2.3.12 @ 8:56PM
----------------------------UH!-----------------------------
BEFORE even this, one and all who fancy
themselves followers of Christ might first
hurl the 'FREE MAY-SINS' --Rockefeller
'ECK--YOU---MEN---ICK----ALL---ists'
and sundry 'SOD--dummy' and EUGENICS
OPS from their ranks.
---MORE IMPORTANT than the White House
---------by far!
The Bruce| 2.3.12 @ 10:07PM
I think the most shocking thing about this article is that it centers around the Catholic Church...
And Margie hasn't been carpet-bombing this discussion thread.
PJ| 2.3.12 @ 10:16PM
I was thinking about that too!
To give her much credit I believe she is pro-life & pro-US Constitution as interpreted by the Founding Fathers, 2 positions that cross over all religious beliefs.
SGT Baker (native Coloradoan)| 2.4.12 @ 5:59AM
There is a quote by Winston Churchhill that sums up our current situation quite nicely.
"If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - -- Winston Churchill
Judy Hines| 2.4.12 @ 10:05AM
It seems that we are going to have to rely on Cardinal designate, Timothy Dolan, to lead this fight. We all know his faith and courage are inspired by God's love. We need to pray the Rosary often. Remember Mary, Immaculate is the patron saint of America. Pray to her.
Resist We Much! | 2.4.12 @ 6:19AM
He Ain't St. Levi, He's His Brother's Tax Collector ... What Jesus Really Thought About Taxes
http://predicthistunpredictpas.....s-tax.html
David Katz| 2.4.12 @ 9:18AM
Scientologists condemn psychiatry. Should they be given an exemption? Jehovah's witnesses blood transfusion. Should they have to pay for it.?
Judy Hines| 2.4.12 @ 10:01AM
Do not make ridiculous analogies.Blood transfusions are time honored life saving treatments. Birth control for therapeutic reasons are covered by all prescription plans as are abortions for therapeutic reasons. You should know your facts before you put them in writing.
Judy Fines| 2.4.12 @ 9:58AM
I agree wholeheartedly with your perspective. It is definitely time for civil dosobedience. The "great one" claims to admire Ghandi so he should certainly have appreciation for his strategies.
TinaB| 2.4.12 @ 10:53AM
Oopsie. That was wrongo pedongo, in my post above.
mortimerzilch| 2.4.12 @ 11:38AM
don't count on the Supreme Court either...if one conservative justice calls in sick, or dead, then the vote will be 4-4 and all the Obama regulations stand. As for civil disobedience...you have to be primed to do that...we have no spine for it...forgettabout it. This will cause a schism of the American Church from Rome, like HenryVIII and the Anglicans...just watch.
Mike | 2.5.12 @ 9:19AM
If the Catholic Church's hierarchy spent more time making sure their priests keep their cocks out of kids they might have some credibility on issues of conscience.
Besides, this isn't really about conscience . This is about imposing doctrines that are ignored by large numbers of Catholics on the entire population.
PJ| 2.5.12 @ 2:42PM
Wrong!
It's about the federal government adhering to the US Constitution & nothing to do w/any US citizen's credibility.
Read the document, esp the 1st Amendment & learn something!
Mike| 2.5.12 @ 6:13PM
P.J.
Forget the party line. Hell, most Catholics don't follow the church's teaching about contraception. All this campaign is doing is screwing Catholics who want to be responsible in their family planning.
Tony in Central PA| 2.6.12 @ 9:24PM
Nobody is forced to be a Catholic in this country. My advice to you or anybody who thinks like you is to leave the Church if you really think you're so right.
Tenn Slim| 2.7.12 @ 7:05AM
Opine
The Chaldean Hand has written on the Oval Office Wall, this admin has been found wanting.
Secularism, in what ever guise, is simply Anti God.
The Ancient Israelies practiced this in the Sinia Desert to thier dismay. Today the USA is practicing this to OUR dismay.
History, folks, read it. The answers lie within and between the lines. Far more deep analysis is needed in out elections. Farcial rhetorics, simply will not suffice this time.
The Obama admin, confident in their November success have deliberatly postponed the implementation of the Rules and Regs til 2013.
Standby for those, that will ensure the completion of the Obama Fundamental Transformation.
Garanteed, the US Electorate will not like it, one bit.
Semper Fi
Tenn Slim| 2.7.12 @ 7:10AM
One last comment.
The current broohagh over the Abortion funding impostion vs Catholics Faith.
The ISSUE is the FORCEING of a DC Federal Admin onto an organization.... The FORCE is the problem. The Imposition of the Federal Rules and Regs against a private organisation is the problem
Wait till 2013, then the delayed Rules and Regs of this Socialistic Admin will hit full force.
Do you all think the imposition of requiring a CDL license on a 15 year old driving a farm tractor is any worse or better than the imposition of Federal Rules regarding abortion... Granted there is life and death here, but the insidious actions are the PROBLEM...
Get it straight, The Grip of the Socialists is power, control of OUR lives.
Semper FI