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Immigration Didn’t Doom Romney
Newt Gingrich’s attacks were a flop with Florida Hispanic voters.
In Florida, Newt Gingrich ran a Spanish-language ad attacking Mitt Romney as anti-immigrant. Gingrich pulled the ad after being reprimanded by Sen. Marco Rubio. “This kind of language is more than just unfortunate. It’s inaccurate, inflammatory, and doesn’t belong in this campaign,” Rubio told the Miami Herald.
“The truth is that neither of these two men is anti-immigrant,” Rubio continued. “Both are pro-legal immigration and both have positive messages that play well in the Hispanic community.” But even after Gingrich pulled his ad, he continued the assault.
“I think he’s amazingly insensitive to the realities of the immigrant community — his whole concept of self-deportation. I’ve not met anyone who thinks it’s in touch with reality. People aren’t going to self- deport,” Gingrich told the Spanish-language network Univision. He said that encouraging illegal immigrants to leave the country voluntarily is an “Obama-level fantasy.”
When Romney and Gingrich sparred over illegal immigration at the second Florida debate, the former House speaker accused Romney of wanting to deport grandparents. “Our problem is not 11 million grandmothers,” Romney shot back. But some Latino activists sided with Gingrich over Romney and Rubio.
Somos Republicans, a Latino GOP group, issued a tough statement: “Marco Rubio has fallen off of his rocker. Not only does Rubio not support the DREAM Act, he also supports Arizona’s harsh anti-immigrant law. Now he is telling Republican 2012 Presidential Candidate Newt Gingrich to pull his ads about Mitt Romney’s anti-immigrant positions.”
Actual Latino voters — who accounted for 14 percent of the Florida primary turnout — rendered a different verdict. Romney won the Hispanic vote with a 54 percent majority. Gingrich came in a distant second at 29 percent. Breaking down the numbers further, Romney beat Gingrich 57 percent to 31 percent among Cuban-Americans and 52 percent to 23 percent among non-Cuban Hispanics.
Just as Gingrich failed to attract a backlash against Romney for supposedly denying kosher foods to Holocaust survivors, he clearly did not elicit a Latino backlash against Romney’s views on illegal immigration. Contrary to the apparent beliefs of many candidates and most ethnic activists, Hispanics don’t view immigration as their biggest political issue. In fact, the Pew Hispanic Center found registered Latino voters ranked immigration fifth out of seven issues in personal importance.
Among Cuban-Americans, opposition to Fidel Castro’s island tyranny has always loomed larger as an issue than immigration. And while Rubio remained neutral, Reps. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Mario Diaz-Balart, and Lincoln Diaz-Balart all strongly supported Romney.
That said, Rubio took an immigration position similar to Romney’s during the 2010 midterm elections (much to the consternation of Somos Republicans). That didn’t stop Rubio from winning 55 percent of the Latino vote. That was 30 points better than his closest opponent, Republican turncoat Charlie Crist, who took 25 percent. The Democratic nominee carried only 20 percent of Florida Hispanics.
Of course, there may also have been some ambiguity about Romney’s position. When it came to dealing with illegal immigrants, Florida Republican voters were divided three ways: 38 percent wanted to let them have a chance to apply for citizenship, 27 percent wanted to let them stay as temporary workers, and 30 percent wanted to deport them. Romney swept all three groups, carrying them by 47 percent, 51 percent, and 49 percent, respectively.
It’s not the first time Romney has been all things to all people. But the much-ridiculed self-deportation strategy — actually attrition through enforcement — may indeed be a third way on immigration issues. Contrary to Gingrich’s assertions, attrition isn’t intended to deport grandmothers. The people with the weakest ties to the United States would be the ones to leave first as enforcement dried up the illegal jobs market.
Once the illegal immigrant population is reduced to a manegable level, a number of possible solutions could be debated for those who remained. Even amnesty would be possible, since the enforcement would have sent the message that new arrivals weren’t guaranteed legal status.
It may not sound as nifty as involving local draft boards and American Express in the immigration process. But at least it wasn’t as repellent to Hispanic Republicans in Florida as Gingrich expected.
About the Author
W. James Antle, III, author of the new book Devouring Freedom: Can Big Government Ever Be Stopped?, is editor of the Daily Caller News Foundation and a senior editor of The American Spectator. You can follow him on Twitter @jimantle.
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btims| 2.2.12 @ 6:58AM
The neocons are out in full force for their RINO Mittens and their endless, ceaseless 24/7 Latino Rah-Rah! More immigration, more, more, MORE!
Either the GOP will end mass immigration or mass immigration will end the GOP. Period.
Most Americans are native born, white and speak English. They prefer lower number of legal immigrants. The Beltway Establishment has been pushing mass immigration for decades now. We are becoming Balkanized in language, culture, values, customs, etc.
Indy| 2.2.12 @ 8:04AM
Did this factor into the race?
http://www.latimes.com/news/po.....0054.story
Mike W| 2.2.12 @ 8:33AM
It didn't factor in a head to head with Gingrich.
Gingrich pushed hard for Puerto Rico statehood while he was speaker of the House.
Derek Leaberry| 2.2.12 @ 9:15AM
Romney is a horrible alternative as the Republican nominee for president yet it is hard to fathom how obtuse Newt Gingrich is on the immigration issue. For the "smartest man in the room", Gingrich is a rather stupid creature.
Mimi| 2.2.12 @ 9:17AM
Ill-legal immigration has exploded in recent years. Some serious work needs to be done to shake up the Department of Immigration.
In the past, they had a moratorium to slow it down and give New Americans time to assimilate.
Most of us have ancestors from overseas.
The word is illegal that causes the divide on this.
James| 2.2.12 @ 1:08PM
Not true. Immigration both legal and undocumented has been on a steep decline.
Nessus| 2.2.12 @ 1:46PM
Complerely wrong. Legal immigration is on a increasing trajectory, as it has been for decades now. There has been some trivial decrease in illegal immigration, mostly due to our poor economy.
In actuality, it is LEGAL immigration that is the biggest culprit in the over-po;pulating of the nation, the main reason for Americans being displaced out of jobs, of so many uninsured people, of so many mosques being built in the country. It's legal immigration.
Al Adab| 2.2.12 @ 2:48PM
Hindmost?
robinked | 2.2.12 @ 4:20PM
And so that excuses/negates the Fact that we an est. 12-20 MILLION Illegals currently Squatting in this country...???!!!
PolishKnight| 2.2.12 @ 9:50AM
The microsecond that Gingrich used the semantic word game of calling illegals mere "immigrants", I knew he wasn't a "conservative".
James has a point: Mere enforcement of existing laws will ultimately help "self deport" illegals to the point of a possible compromise. E-verify employees, stop identity theft, take them off the welfare rolls, and use the same thing the feds did against Capone: bust them for income tax evasion and seize their property.
The "grandmothers" can stay, if they like, but they shouldn't expect social security, medicaid, medicare, or welfare.
robinked | 2.2.12 @ 4:23PM
I love the "Capone" approach...go after the ILLEGALS for their under-the-table Ill gotten Gains AND we Need to start Taxing the heck out of their MoneyWires back to mexico...I'm thinkin 50% for starters...
John Bowman| 2.4.12 @ 1:10AM
No freaking compromise, no legalization of any illegals, 5 million amnestied illegals and their 10 million anchor babies was already too much!!
Vern Crisler| 2.2.12 @ 10:02AM
There is nothing "anti-immigrant" about Arizona's law. It is anti ILLEGAL immigrant, and Newt has defended Arizona. In fact, I don't think the AZ law is tough enough. Unfortunately, our sunshine conservatives don't understand the distinction between legal and illegal immigration.
At least Newt has a more realistic view of enforcement. Let's go after younger illegals, and come up with some other solution for older illegals. Romney's "self-deportation" idea is just nonsense masquerading as a policy. It's just an excuse for doing nothing.
PolishKnight| 2.2.12 @ 10:10AM
How young does Newt want to go? Presumably, he won't go after chill-dren and anchor babies. And he seems to also support the Dream act to give 22 year old college students and graduates citizenship. So that leaves us with the following demographic: Single, childless, non-educated people between the ages of 20 and 50. Granted, there are a lot of people in that category, but since these policies take time to go into effect, Gingrich can string them along too. In 20 years, most of these people will be in the "grandmother" category.
Don't know if anyone else tried this analogy, but it's like Gingrich excusing car thieves by saying, hey, they've had the car for 10 years and driven their family around in it so only a heartless conservative meanie would insist upon him giving it back to the rightful owner.
Mark in LA| 2.2.12 @ 12:56PM
I think you forgot that the DREAM act's only requirement was that you attend college for 2 years. Any old junior college could do and you could take anything such as Chicano studies where you can rap with the instructors for 2 years about how whitey is screwing you and then sponsor your hole extended family for legal immigration.
PolishKnight| 2.2.12 @ 1:13PM
I find it rather amusing how cynical illegal defenders act as if we should be so grateful that they're going to college and willing to do high paying jobs. Going to college is not something someone does as a favor to society, they do it to get higher paying jobs or to better themselves. In addition, these same amnesty excusers will look the other way at racial preferences for non-whites and then turn around and bash opponents as "ignorant" and uneducated.
Mark in LA| 2.2.12 @ 1:49PM
Well the part about the high paying jobs needs more fleshing out. Most of the Hispanics don't have the necessary intelligence to get the STEM degrees. They get a fluff degree and hope that affirmative action will get them a government job.
Nessus| 2.2.12 @ 1:48PM
Sorry to burst your bubble but there are no many "old" illegal aliens. Most have come in just the last 10-15 yrs and most are under 40 yrs old.
robinked | 2.2.12 @ 4:27PM
Your Ignorance is Very apparent in Your comments..."Attrition thru Enforcement" Has been around for quite some time & some very Good minds came up with the basic principles, which means that We Cut OFF the Jobs, services, etc. Magnets which Draw ILLEGALS here & they Will Leave...cuz What do You think brought them here in the 1st place....a J-O-B....duh!!!---Sheesh!!!
John Bowman| 2.4.12 @ 1:13AM
You missed the point of Newt's position, he says some "long established" illegals can get green cards, shorter established ones get 10 year work permits - so that they can become long established and eventually get green cards also!!
He wants to give them all amnesty!!!
Al Adab| 2.2.12 @ 10:30AM
We all need to follow Rubios lead here and recognize that immigration is not the issue; that illegal migration is the problem. States such as AZ and CA are actually under invasion by armed gangs of bandits which cause untold danger to those states.
When Pancho Villa and his bandits invaded the us at Columbus NM, Wilson sent the US army INTO Mexico after them. What is this administration doing? It is suing the states which are trying to protect themselves. Protecting the states from invasion is one of the enumerated powers delegated in the Constitution. Do not the states retain the ability to exercise that power when faced with a Federal refusal to do so?
Derek Leaberry| 2.2.12 @ 10:43AM
Immigration is the issue, legal and illegal, because 90 % of our legal immigrants are from Third World countries. A radical reform of the 1965 Kennedy Immigration is in order.
Al Adab| 2.2.12 @ 12:32PM
True enough Derek as far as it goes. The fact remains that the majority of legal immigrants, from wherever they hail, assimilate well, become productive and hold alegience to the US. That is in stark contrast to the majority of illegal migrants.
Nessus| 2.2.12 @ 1:49PM
yeah, a majority close to 51%. All immigration needs to be reduced for ten years, minimum.
Immigration time out, otherwise, buh-bye GOP. Why would poor, grade school foreigners vote for limited government?
Mass immigration is a Democrat voter registration drive.
Al Adab| 2.2.12 @ 2:55PM
Nessus:
Legal immigrants (do Puppeteers or Kzinti get passports?) are for the most part, educated or quickly become so, and well employed or entreprenurial in spirit and contribute to healthy growth in our nation. By choice, they BECOME Americans. This is the major distinction between immigrants and illegal migrants.
We are not talking only Hispanic here. Many illegals apprehended hail from such delightful places as Yemen, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Morocco and so on. Interestingly, many have learned Spanish (perhaps as a cover?) before they attempt entry. Frankly, I doubt the Spanish speaking Iranian plans on becoming a landscaper or busboy.
Nessus| 2.2.12 @ 4:19PM
You should show more respect to The Hindmost!
I'm very well versed on immigration - all forms of it and the history of it. Here's some facts for you:
Most immigrants into the US are Latino (which has been true for about 20 yrs now)
The average immigrant (legal & illegal) into the US is a grade school educated Latino peasant.
Roughly 3 our of 4 Latinos vote Democrat.
Two out of three Asian immigrants vote Democrat.
Four out of five Arab/Muslim immigrants vote Democrat.
Since the US governement doesn't really enforce immigration laws anymore, it's immaterial if the "immigrant" is legal or illegal. What counts is people, BODIES.
The Hindmost queries you to answer, what is the reason for your obvious desire to balloon the US population to half a billion, which is the goal of the political elites?
We have a poor economy with high unemployment projected to last for several years. Why are we importing people when so many Americans are out of work?
I am a nationalist, not an internationalist or globalist. My first loyalty is to fellow Americans - not the rest of the world.
The Hindmost dismisses you, pupil.
Al Adab| 2.2.12 @ 4:37PM
Hindmost:
When you combine illegal and legal for an average the figure is skewed. Many more illegal than legal. There is a distinction which I draw but perhaps you do not.
Voting patterns you are likely correct.
BODIES and population figures ( I do not seek 1/2B) reveals a Malthusian bias.
We can debate, and probably resolve, a proper number for legal immigration. It may in fact be quite low. The illegal migrant however, remains an issue and as long as the national government promotes it, the staes must look to their own defense and should do so agressivly.
Again the issue is not an immigration one, it is a matter of invasion by hordes whose demographic you accurately state. I'll have to ask Louis Wu about the rest.
VBMax| 2.2.12 @ 11:04AM
Immediate deportation of any illegal that commits an additional crime would be a good start
to solving the problem.
Al Adab| 2.2.12 @ 12:34PM
VB:
Yes and the federal government refuses to act when the States request it. ICE refuses to pick up illegals, convicted of felonies, held in our local jails. The Fed as well is actually suing states that attempt to enforce the law. Ask AZ, CA or GA.
james| 2.2.12 @ 11:35AM
You silly conservatives. You think there were that many Hispanics in your party to start with. Wait till the general election and see how badly Mittens will be hurt for his racism.
Al Adab| 2.2.12 @ 12:36PM
Sorry James you base you "argument" on false premises. Conservatives treat people as individuals not as members of special interest socio-economic or ethnic groups.
James| 2.2.12 @ 1:09PM
Sure, keep telling yourself that. I see you guys in private. I see and hear what you say.
GW| 2.2.12 @ 1:17PM
Actually it is Obama's anti-white message that is driving away blue-collar whites from the Dems. Remember, whites make up 75% of all voters. Whites are the most important voting bloc. Latinos are relatively meaningless.
Al Adab| 2.2.12 @ 2:57PM
I don't know where you live James, but where I am that simply isn't the case.
robinked | 2.2.12 @ 4:34PM
You are Very correct in your assuptions that obummer has driven his base AWAY...I know, I Was a life-long demo-rat But Never, Never, Never Again, those Far Left Wing-Bat Liberals are For the destruction of this country And they're Not toooo subtle about it, in fact if you read some of the previous comments (james), You can actually Hear their heads spinning around backwards, kinda like that crazy Exorcist movie...They Really kinda Scare me now...!!!
Al Adab| 2.2.12 @ 4:40PM
robinked:
Thank you for that and it raises an interesting question not only of where you might lie on the political spectrum, but for a practicle matter what candidates most accurately reflect your positions. I would seriously be interested in your analysis.
John Bowman| 2.4.12 @ 1:17AM
Why do you think having a country for the benefit of it's citizens is "racism"? If that's the case, everyone in the world is a racist, so we are in good company.
Bill| 2.2.12 @ 11:44AM
FL has a large number of Cuban, Haitian, and Puerto Rican population. Immigration is a no factor to them. Cubans and Haitians take adventage of US's asylum policy, while Puerto Ricans are American citizens. Rest of Hispanic population have almost no influence in the electoral process. GOP still enjoys a wide support from the FL's Hispanic community because of the pro-growth message of social conservatism and the free-enterprise.
Immigration is a huge factor in the border states, TX, AZ, CA, NM. We've to see how Romney will get away with his flip-floppin in immigration and the border security. Romney has no plan on those issues, when being questions, he just mumbles. Gingrich has a comprehensive plan on immigration and the border security. He'll do weel in those states.
Mark in LA| 2.2.12 @ 1:02PM
Yeah, the Republican Party will do real well by amnestying a group of people where up to 40% will vote for them. Why just today there were some Republican Latinos advocating just that.
http://visiontoamerica.org/780.....portunity/
Maybe instead of encouraging immigration of illiterate people without any appreciable math skills and whos only purpose is to lower the wage scale to the benefit of Republican elites, we can use our heads and realize 40% of something is a loser no matter how you cut it.
PolishKnight| 2.2.12 @ 2:52PM
That paradigm doesn't work either: The moment illegals get full amnesty, they can go on welfare. Why work 80 hours a week at a restaurant or hotel to make a Republican amnesty supporter rich when welfare pays better?
I've heard republican amnesty proponents also claim that Hispanics are "culturally" conservative but the fact is that the unwed mother rates are only slightly worse than for blacks.
Bill| 2.2.12 @ 7:44PM
Blacks and Hispanics are responsible for the population explosion in past 10 years. Childcare credits has become a magnet for immigrants and Blacks to have more children. They consider children as "cash-crop." Abolish welfare and the child-care credits.
John Bowman| 2.4.12 @ 1:21AM
Not blacks, they only average 2.1 children. Most of our population growth comes from immigrants.
Seek| 2.3.12 @ 7:57PM
You're right. And Heather Mac Donald, ace policy wonk at the Manhattan Institute, has the numbers to show it.
John Bowman| 2.4.12 @ 1:20AM
Romney will kill Gingrich and his mass amnesty North American Union plans.
FACE-IT| 2.2.12 @ 12:56PM
Mandate E-Verify and give it some sharp teeth, to help solve both, the illegal immigration, and the unemployment problem http://bit.ly/xmiGyx
P.B.N.| 2.2.12 @ 1:01PM
If Mitt "The Automatronic Plasto-Man" Romney were anti-PC and anti-immigration (legal or otherwise), Mitt "The Automatronic Plasto-Man" Romney would get my vote.
He isn't, and won't.
GW| 2.2.12 @ 1:19PM
Who is getting your vote, Eisenhower?
The fact remains that no candidate remaining is good on immigration, and none would do what needs to be done--Operation Wetback 2.0. Until Kris Kobach runs for President, we are stuck with the "best case scenario."
Seek| 2.2.12 @ 1:10PM
What Antle and other immigration boosters still can't grasp is that high levels of legal immigration are precisely what drive high levels of illegal immigration, mainly because immigration occurs in family networks. Thus, we need to reduce the former in order to reduce the latter. As for amnesty, each one merely raises the expectation of another down the road. It is an invitation to disaster.
Patriotic immigration reform should begin with one word: less. And policy unabashedly should favor white over nonwhite newcomers. Not that anyone in Washington actually would say this openly.
Nessus| 2.2.12 @ 1:50PM
Exactly right. Spot on.
David| 2.2.12 @ 1:25PM
Just listen to this bickering folks!!!
Back Santorum, now.
Santorum will provide the greatest contrast with Bam Bam.
Remember, Newt, Mitt, and Barack all hold the following positions.
They believe in man-caused global warming baloney, and the regulations and restrictions that have resulted from such thinking. Santorum does not.
They supported the Wall Street bailouts. Santorum did not.
They support and/or supported individual mandates for health insurance. Santorum never has.
They all criticized Paul Ryan's plan to get our fiscal house in order. Santorum embraced it.
Santorum cannot be accused of being a flip-flopper.
Santorum cannot be accused of telling people what they want to hear.
Santorum cannot be accused of stating his positions based on the particular audience in front of him.
It is clear that Santorum has been the adult in this race. It is also clear that he has been the true, principled, consistent conservative his entire politcal career.
GW| 2.2.12 @ 1:30PM
What are Santorum's positions on ending immigration? Numbers USA gives him a D- or F, depending on the week.
As far as I'm concerned, everything else is meaningless unless conservatives focus on long-term strategies to *conserve* the country's culture, language, and people. This means ending 3rd world immigration--both legal and illegal.
bill| 2.2.12 @ 2:36PM
Santorum lost his senate bid in 2006, and trailing Obama in 2012. Dream lives on!
GW| 2.2.12 @ 1:28PM
Whites make up 75% of the vote. I want more articles about this demographic, as it is by far the most important to win with minority groups going overwhelmingly Democrat due to handouts.
bill| 2.2.12 @ 2:37PM
Blacks control the electoral process (The Voting Rights Act, welfare), and GOP will have hard time maintaining the integrity of our democratic process. It's falling apart.
bill| 2.2.12 @ 1:47PM
Fixing the immigration mess:
1. Secure the Southern border
2. NO Amnesty, NO DREAM Act, NO Guest-workers Visa
3. Deport all illegals
4. Abolish chain-migration
5. Provide more resources to the DHS, The Border Patrol
Nessus| 2.2.12 @ 1:51PM
Exactly right. Spot on.
PolishKnight| 2.2.12 @ 2:57PM
All great proposals albeit some more manageable/useful than others (the border fence, for example, allowed amnesty supporters to kick the can down the road.)
Number 1 should be cutting off benefits: E-verify all workers and eliminate identity theft (that means national ID). If they can't legally work AND can't legally pay taxes via identity theft, then they are tax evaders. "Problem" solved: deport them as criminal tax evaders.
Bill| 2.2.12 @ 3:50PM
I'll embrace the ideas:
6. E-Verify all workers
7. Make English to be the only official language
8. Instruct DOJ to drop litigation against state of AZ, SC, Al, GA
Al Adab| 2.2.12 @ 4:44PM
PK, Bill:
Your #8: Exactly so. It raises a Constitutional question of grave import. When the federal government refuses to exert one of its enumerated powers, the powers it was formed to employ, (to protect the States from invasion) and actively attempts to prevent the States from exercising that power, what recourse do the States retain?
John Bowman| 2.4.12 @ 1:24AM
6. End the anchor baby scam.
Bill| 2.2.12 @ 3:46PM
Romney enacted Romneycare in MA, and helped craft Obamacare. When Romney said, 'I'll repeal Obamacare." I don't believe him a dime. He won't repeal it because Romney is a "New England big-government liberal RINO." He is no conservative. FL made a "FATAL" mistake. Thanks to SC, the state that revolted against tyranny in 1861.
Nessus| 2.2.12 @ 5:12PM
The fact of the matter is that the American political establishment, for the past 20 years or so, have all embraced allowing and even encouraging half the world to come to the USA. That is indisputable. But why?
Well on the one hand, it's only natural for businesses/firms to want to maximize job applicants as it tends to suppress wages/salaries.
That's why the GOP supports mass immigration.
On the other hand, the Democrats like mass immigration because non-white, poor immigrants need a lot of social programs, need big government politicians to enact big social spending. Plus, non-white people vote over-whelmingly for the Dems.
As Pat Buchanan keeps saying........"either the GOP puts and end to open immigration or open immigration will put an end to the GOP".
And that's true. Poor, lowly educated people don't vote for low taxes and less government. Duh.
Mark in LA| 2.2.12 @ 6:14PM
I just hate it when so-called conservatives give the most stupid and worst President we ever had, Ronaldo "amnesty and corporate boot lick" Reagan a pass. Every problem related to immigration was made significantly worse by him. He signed that ridiculous amnesty bill that make it virtually impossible to deport somebody who doesn't want to be. He allowed Pete Wilson to put the major fraud provision into the amnestry at the behest of California farmers (6 months of unverified work as a field hand and you are in). He looked the other way when meat packing companies sent busses to Mexico to get strikebreakers. His administration told Alan Simpson that amnesty was first when Simpson was mulling a trigger of some sort to get reluctant Republican Senators to go along with this amnesty. The neocons advising him probably thought the GOP would have their own ni**ers, just like the Democrats - one more neocon delusion. His administration tasked the NSF with creating the big lie campaign that there was "shortage" of tech workers in order to get Congress to create the guest worker programs at the behest of companies and universities who were seeing salaries for engineers and scientists rise above the inflation level.
People should remember the real Reagan, the one who started the war on the middle class, and not some fairy tale.
Nessus| 2.2.12 @ 7:50PM
Mark - time to grow up and give up your herbal weed.
Mark in LA| 2.3.12 @ 10:37AM
Another Reagan myth believer. Got anything else?
http://nber.nber.org/~peat/Pap.....G/NSF.html
ES: More difficult for me personally than seeing the slaughter of cattle and the incredible carnage in those factories was seeing these workers, how they live. Meat packing, until the late '70s, was one of the highest paying industrial jobs in the United States. Then the Reagan and Bush administrations allowed the industry to bust unions, to hire strikebreakers, to hire illegal immigrants for these jobs, even to transport them here from Mexico in company buses. Now meat packing is one of the lowest paying industrial jobs, as well as the most dangerous.
http://www2.citypaper.com/spec.....sp?id=6045
The people who need to start facing reality are all the fools in love with the Reagan myths.
Seek| 2.3.12 @ 8:01PM
In all fairness, the Simpson-Mazzoli bill (the Immigration Reform and Control Act) that Reagan signed in November 1986, was nearly five years in the making. Everyone was so weary of debate by then, that almost ANY president would have signed it just to be rid of it. Also remember: Reagan signed the bill only a couple days after the midterm congressional blowout at the hands of the Democrats. He was in a very weak position to say "no."
Mark in LA| 2.4.12 @ 10:51AM
Why do you people continue to make excuses for what was basically a worthless gasbag and little more than a ventriloquist dummy for corporate America. A leader leads = Reagan did not lead.
The Reagan administration had almost no input into what that bill needed to get his signiture. The administration had both Peter Brimlow of Vdare and John Roberts advising Reagan how bad the bill was and Reagan probably listened to the neocons who have a visceral hatred of the white Christian working class. I used to have the link where Alan Simpson had James Baker apologizing to him for that bill because it was the Reagan administration who got the reluctant Republican Senators to stop opposing it. That was where Simpson was having problems and the Reagan administration decided that the amnesty was a priority and any type of border security trigger like they talk about now was not to be put in the bill.
Maybe you forgot how as gatekeeper, the executive could have slowed down the paperwork process of amnesty but that the administration was actully speeding it up and accepting all sorts of bogus "proof" of residency and occupation. There were stories of illiterates showing upo with hand written pieces of paper supposedly from some farmer saying this guy had worked for him for the necessary 6 months and that garbage was accepted without any serious background checking. Obviously, the administration was under some sort of delusion that these people were going to be the Republican ni**ers - voting 95% for the Republicans in perpetuity for being put on the US gravy train. People like Brimlow who knew better were ignored.
Mark in LA| 2.4.12 @ 11:06AM
One more thing. You guys go out of your way to denigrate every decision by a Democrat and hang evey bad outcome on them. Fair enough. I have been an independent since the Reagan years when I saw how worthless both parties were. I get just as mad when Democrats talk about Clinton's "balanced budget" when a quick trip to the Treasury's web site shows that the national debt never went down under Clinton so there never was a real surplus. Clinton got NAFTA (a Reagan brain-fart) passed against the wishes of his base. So I know how bad the Democrats are.
My qustion to you is why don't you apply the same standards to a Republican? Why is Reagan's real record off limits when talking about Reagan? Why are only generalities about his "greatness" allowed to be spoken without any real world examples of such?
David| 2.2.12 @ 5:35PM
When I said "just listen to this bickering" I meant the bickering described in the article about who said what about whom.
I did not mean the bickering in these posts.
If you listened to the recent debates it is Santorum who said illegals who are here did not break ONE law as we so often hear. He is the only who said, they broke the law when they entered the country illegally, brocke another if they are working here, brock another if they are driving here, etc., etc., and said they have been breaking the law continously for as long as they have been here and should not be rewarded for it.
He doesn't sound like a Panzi on immigration to me.
Brittanicus| 2.2.12 @ 6:01PM
Nevada--has the same problems as the Sanctuary state of California, Arizona that has been overwhelmed by poverty from the large influx of illegal aliens. The only difference is the legislators in California and Nevada disregard their resident’s pleas for help and still pander to foreign nationals. That's why all Governors, Mayors and every official, who supports this growing plague must be removed from office. Every person who wants the 2006 Real double fence, The Legal Workforce bill, recognized as E-Verify and The Citizenship Birthright Act amended should join the Tea Party or other strong restrictionist's on this matter. Illegal Immigration Costs California $10.5 Billion Annually, with Nevada annual fiscal burden of immigration to be about $630 million (According to the Heritage Foundation.) Powerful interests in the state garner the benefits, while the average legal California family gets handed a nearly $1,200 annually.
Fortunately it just goes to show that legal immigrants especially generations of Hispanics are against illegal immigration and are for enforcement, by their positive vote in Florida for Mitt Romney. They too are suffering from the indignation as being blamed from the 500.000 that illegally enters America.
In California and Nevada millions of jobs that should be in the hands of citizens, instead have been stolen by people from across the globe. Huge amounts of expenditures have been growing, because of careless use of Taxpayers’ dollars by politicians. Specific to Border States is the spiraling high cost of millions of illegal aliens pouring in, demanding equal rights to US citizens. 22 million Americans are out of work and President Obama has passed executive orders, so hundreds of thousands of unlawful migrants and immigrants without a criminal record can stay here. Farmers want the cheap labor, as they remain exempt for paying their medical issues or even their children's schooling. Democrats will look the other way in all elections, as illegal aliens are voting and will again through 2012. These are two unfunded mandates that the US government pays nothing towards, and state compliance laws is mandatory and forced upon Americans by the courts. The low estimate for paying for all these unfunded mandates annually is $113 billion dollars. Except to stay here, you have to have food, medical care and for their children and education. Staying here it means you have to commit a felony, as to find employment you must possess a legitimate Social Security number, unless the employer is committing an illegal act themselves. Therefore using some persons SSN is a victim of identity theft and that is a –FELONY.
As a patriotic Americans people we cannot afford to stop pursuing full, mandated “THE LEGAL WORKFORCE ACT” or mandated nationwide E-Verify. Without it our countries businesses will be overrun by illegal workers in every sector of industry. The circumstances have now become so critical, owing to the millions of jobless citizens, legal residents that our government needs to insist full operation of the computer based application. E-Verify is a valuable tool that has expanded to a growing number of honest businesses that have participated in the removal of foreign nationals.
There is toxicity amongst the Democrats and Republicans, who have an irrational view and are eager to destroy any immigration enforcement at our undermanned border or tourists who overstay deliberately. As it stands a path to citizenship, espoused as Immigration reform wants to legalize all those already here. Can anybody imagine if foreign countries supported their citizens that America would not be suffering the problems of foreign workers and their families crowding the emergency rooms of major cities, educating their children and feeding off the limited benefits afforded the US population? E-verify must not be undermined or thrown into the waste pit of good immigration bills?
Phoning 202-224-3121 is the Washington center switchboard, to express your infuriated feelings and anguish at Senators and Representatives of both parties. Obamacare for all Americans will be inundated with illegal immigrants and will just drive more of them into our nation. They keep declaring no health care treatment for any illegal people, but unless the mandated federal bill such as E-Verify is operational, then how can we distinguish from the legal population and those who have broken immigration laws? Under such a Congressional law, the long trek home will begin if illegal workers cannot find a job. Those business owners who fail to comply could end up in prison or fined millions of dollars? All immigration bills need to be passed before Obama tries to pass another failed amnesty, as in 1986.
DON’T WAIT, MILLIONS HAVE NOT? YOUR VOTE IS THE MOST INFLUENTIAL OPINION AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION? SEE THROUGH THE LIES AT NUMBERSUSA, JUDICIALWATCH.
Bill| 2.2.12 @ 7:45PM
Blacks and Hispanics are responsible for the population explosion in past 10 years. Childcare credits has become a magnet for immigrants and Blacks to have more children. They consider children as "cash-crop." Abolish welfare and the child-care credits.
POST American| 2.2.12 @ 9:52PM
---Didn't 'doom' Romney ---but IS dooming
America.
Seems there's VAST stealth amnesty
underway ----and stealth voting fraud
as well.
-------------THE REPUBLIC HAS FALLEN-----------
-----------------HUAC/ Nuremberg 2012--------------
TxPatriot| 2.3.12 @ 12:59AM
My wife and I stayed at home when the Repub elites ran RINO Dole, we stayed at home when they ran RINO/TRAITOR McCain, and we will stay at home in Nov 2012 if LIBERAL Romney is the Repub nominee. In fact, after the TEA PARTY returned the House to the Republicans in 2010 for which we have been screwed by the gutless leadership ever since, I really don't see any reason to remain in the Repub Party nor to bother voting to replace the current set of crooks with a new set of crooks.
ZOO| 2.3.12 @ 12:32PM
Romney has all of the droolers fooled - they think he is an illegal immigration foe. At the Hispanic Leadership Network in Florida he said:
"The 11 million people in the country in here illegally already should be given a temporary status and then have to return to their home countries to apply for citizenship."
So Romney wants to hand out "temporary status" to 11 million illegal aliens. How many years would that take? Not only is it what Obama is doing now, but it is de facto amnesty. What's worse, handing out legal status to the invaders would make them IMMUNE to state immigration laws in Arizona, Alabama, South Carolina, etc. This would cripple the states ability to enforce their laws. Oh sure, they'll pack up and leave just as soon as their "temporary status" expires. Romney has suckered everybody and gotten away with it. Rick Santorum is the now the only hope of finally getting a President who will enforce immigration laws, not hand out a free pass. Santorum just picked up endorsements from Michelle Malkin and Tom Tancredo. Vote for Santorum, or you'll be suicidal if this McCainite (Romney) wins.
June| 2.3.12 @ 2:58PM
If Newt thinks Mitt is anti-mmigrant, I think Newt is pro-illegal. All of a sudden, anyone who wants the laws of this nation enforced and obeyed, is anti-immigrant. That's about as dumb a statement as "they only come for jobs."
POST American| 2.3.12 @ 9:31PM
"When your time comes
----WHAT WILL YOU DO?"
-'IKIRU'
Kurosawa film
1952
1952, the year we saved --some--
of KOREA from the Globalist
RED Chinese Halocaust,
perhaps our last 'good' war
----as far as it went.
And NOW --OUR moment ---is here.
------------------WHAT WILL WE DO?
Brittanicus| 2.5.12 @ 7:45PM
It's my hope that Mitt Romney sticks to his guns, should he gain acceptance by the voters for president? Any time before the presidential election, whether Gubernatorial, State, County or local election, without revising of federal election laws every citizen-voter must be committed to fighting voter fraud. Do not believe that voter fraud is not proliferating across the country, as Democratic appointed ACORN has shown otherwise? The Left will do anything to implode any of the Republican chances of winning the presidency, including the backing of illegal registrations of non citizens voting. Be alarmed, because there is every possibility of forged absentee ballots or even non-citizens filling in registrations. All candidates whether Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Ron Paul need to be aware of the vicious other side who don't play fair? Mitt Romney has one of NumbersUSA strongest grades for his immigration record, so any candidate must be held accountable for their promises to the American people.
Neither political party is exempt from the massive illegal immigration problem, which has magnified over time? Every promise to enforce our immigration laws has been undone, beginning with the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA). It was enacted to fail, because it would be detrimental to incorrigible businesses for low-priced labor and the Democrats hoped to overpower the GOP will votes—LEGAL AND ILLEGAL. It has been foolhardy to trust the majority of those in power in Congress. It is only since the positive manifestation of the American People's Party, known only too well as THE TEA PARTY, that the legal residents of this nation have found trust. Since the inception of the TEA PARTY, the old "Quid Pro Quo" is starting to fade and leave office. They no longer can command the underhand laws they have passed, as the majority of the people want immigration laws enforced and not determined by selling favors to special interest lobbyists, for special bills to be passed? It's inevitable a few TEA PARTY leaders will fall beside the wayside, as corruption has its abundance in Washington; they will be watched and not reelected.
The Washington rotting pattern has been there even before the 1986 law, supposedly to heavily sanction with fines and incarceration of businesses who hire illegal workers. Nothing happened and nothing would, that's why millions were encouraged to cross borders or catch the next international flight, with unlawful intentions? It's even absurd that the Congress never made it a Felony, to enter America without permission. Why bother to even respect these countries laws, when entrance is only punishable in a civil court? Two federal mandatory laws that can make an unparalleled difference who gets to stay here, or gets deported. The E-Verify program that thousands of reputable businesses are now using, will remove illegal aliens from the workplace, under the current title of "The Legal Workforce Act". Second law that is just as demanding is an Amendment to the 14th Amendment, stopping the travesty of foreign babies recognized as citizens, even when no parents has legal status. Directly correlated to the number of immigrants pouring into this nation, is our school system that is breaking down in communities where the English language is seldom the first tongue, anymore.
Hundreds of thousands of illegal parents annually use this flaw in the 14th amendment, to seduce the welfare benefit programs that the whole family can use? The Democrats state that illegal parents cannot apply for food stamps, Wicca and other so called solid laws only applicable to citizens or some legal residents; a complete travesty, as parent can apply in the name of the citizen child or children and accumulate food stamps, section 8 housing and other entitlement programs. This in itself is a billion dollar fraudulent industry, that taxpayers are coerced to pay? It’s not that we are attracting poverty across the border, but foreigners with heinous criminal records of assault, homicide, child molester, drunk drivers and whole litany of individuals, ready to steal, hijack, invade a home or even kidnap; heavily profuse in Frontier states as Arizona.
Do the enforcement promises run through legislator’s hands like so much tepid water from either Democrats or Republicans? That before any further concentration on passing some new immigration reform policies, that those meandering around in central government will fulfill the will of the people to build the 2006 Double parallel fence across California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas? The illegal alien issue is not just bad, it is worse than anybody can imagine? It's costing over a hundred billion dollars a year in unfunded mandated for ever one of the 50 states. It’s costing the central government billions of dollars appointed by the courts, to supplement every illegal alien living conditions with taxpayer coerced money? The federal government has deliberately failed to contain this human pestilence, then when Arizona rises up against the negligence, flowed by Alabama, Georgia, Utah, South Carolina the egomaniac as Eric Holder in charge of the notorious Justice Department sues?
No wonder the Congress has the lowest grade for its reputation? None of the Senate and House can be trusted, with President Obama spending trillions of dollars, bailing out giant banking institutions in America as well as foreign countries. Not discarded yet is the Obama Care health law, passed behind closed doors and could cause further irreparable damage to our ailing economy. $15 trillion dollars and counting, is there any way out of this financial mess? Are taxpayers once again, paying out for people who wouldn’t work if they could, or people who have skipped borders to benefit from American taxes? Is yet another financially crippling unfunded mandate to reward illegal alien invaders? Then Obama is now using executive decisions over the heads of congress to pardon illegal aliens, should they not committed a crime. Even walking away from Justice and felony's that they must have committed to get work, using stolen Social Security numbers and other documents? It is ultimately wrong to give a free pass to persons, who violated the laws, when thousands have patiently waited in foreign lands for their chance for a work visa?
POST American| 2.5.12 @ 10:19PM
-------------------BOTTOM LINE-----------------------
Romney is a PRO carbon taxes
-----------------PRO 'A--BORE--SHUN'
-------------------PRO 'Banker Bailouts'
---------------------PRO open broders
-----------------------PRO NAFTA/ GATT
--------------------------------------GLOBALIST.
And on top of all that, and his support for
'sanctuary cities' and mandatory injections
for the public ----is the very architecht of
--------------OBAMA-CARE---------------.
Further, he's said NOTHING about the
authorzed secret arrests, exile, torture and
'disappearance' of American citizens anywhere
(ie NDAA1021) ---while working to destroy
the 2nd Amendment.
And, he's never once so much as made
an allusion to the CFR's 4 decades on
handover and TREASON OP viz a viz
Globalist RED China.
-----------------CASE CLOSED on 'SUB--Mitt'