The American Spectator : 'Abortion Is as American as Apple Pie'

Clint| 1.19.12 @ 6:23AM

"In 2005, 2007, 2009, and again in 2011, Dr.Ron Paul introduced the Sanctity of Life Act, which would have life defined as beginning at conception at the Federal level."

The Tea Party Rebellion Is In South Carolina.

Jack in Wi.| 1.19.12 @ 7:13AM

For once I agree with Neumayr. This is good straight reporting. I have given up on this country since 1973 when Roe vs Wade came down the pike. No country who murders 60 million babies in the last 38 years deserves to survive. Roe was the clarion call for a worldwide attack on the sanctity of life.

The Roe case was a huge attack on Constitutional goverment in this country. Abortion had always been a state by state issue. Most states had long protected life in the womb. The Federal Courts by usurping this issue made any effort to stop or regulate this horrible procedure unconstitutional.

The Constitution provides a remedy for such over reach. Article 3, section 2 allows the Congress to restrict the juridiction of the Federal Courts. Congress by a simple majority could get the Federal courts out of the issue and send it back to the states. The late great Jesse Helms wanted to do this. The bureaucrats in the national right to life lobbying groups want to push a constitutional amendment or get the court to overrule Roe vs Wade. This is a pipe dream. The only guy who presently understands this is Ron Paul. For 10 years Roe could have been overturned and returned to the sates. He has got little support from the so called pro-life lobby. It almost seems like the pro-life lobby in Washington is nothing but a front group for the Republican Party. The issue should be ending Roe, not electing worthless people like the Bush's, Gingrich, Santorum, Dole, McCain, who mouth platitudes but always find some issue more important then the lives of of 60 million babies.

W| 1.19.12 @ 7:58AM

" I have given up on this country since 1973 when Roe vs Wade came down the pike. No country who murders 60 million babies in the last 38 years deserves to survive."

If you really believe the USA does not deserve to survive then why don't you move to a country that shares your beliefs? So you want our country to be destroyed, this explains your repeated comments that we caused the terrorrists attacks and support for an appeasement foreign policy.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 9:11AM

While I actually agree with Jack on the issue of the article (mark THIS one down on the calendar), you are correct in what you take away from his "I gave up on this country" statement. And it DOES explain a lot about the general tone of what Jack usually writes here.

Jack is Thomas Paine's "sunshine patriot." If he were truly even the libertarian he claims to be, then he'd at least have faith that this issue might be tossed back to the states. Jack has given up on the American Experiment. And really, that seals all we need to know, or ever expected about Jack.

W| 1.19.12 @ 10:28AM

ConChef
I agree with your and Jack's opposition to abortion.

But the only sure way to end abortion is by a constitutional amendment. If we return it to the states, then you will have a variety of laws on abortion ranging from abortion on demand to no abortions depending on the state's constitution.

If there is a new Supreme Court decision to reverse Roe/Casey, then another Supreme Court can reverse again.

Jack's method has been discussed at length here and will not work because while Congress can limit the jurisdiction of the federal district and appellate courts, it cannot do so to eliminate a right found to be constitutional by the Supreme Court. That is the reason it has not be seriously tried.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 11:10AM

One would think that we shouldn't NEED a freaking Constitutional amendment when all Americans are promised the rights to LIFE, liberty & the pursuit of happiness. However, since regressives are so good at equivocating things, the clear cut aspect of this entire argument has been muddled with the debates "personhood."

Its disgusting that we even need to HAVE that discussion.

W| 1.19.12 @ 11:36AM

Unfortunately we have no choice and need an amendment to end abortion like we needed an amendment to end slavery.
The Supreme Court decisions in Roe/Casey have put us in this position, similar to the Supreme Court case in Dred Scott that held a black slave was personal property.

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 11:34AM

IF you believe in GOD, you MUST trust your GOD to provide for the FETUSES He divinely chooses to become babies. YOUR Bible tells you that vengeance is GOD's purview alone, so no earthly penalties should exist for allowing GOD's will to prevail. To interfere in GOD's plan is to in league with the Satan and would be a heretic blasphemy!
OR:
This is a free market CAPITALIST country, So say the RED's, so say ye all. Then, IF and embyro is a child, he can CHOOSE to survive in a free market way. No bailouts from megaChristians, no special interest lobbying on it's behalf. In a free market economy, unviable businesses go under and in THIS free market country, since MONEY is free speech... any pregnant woman has the RIGHT according to SCOTUS to shout NO!!!!!!!! louder than the bankrupt snot bubble of tissue in her womb.

Either that, or conceed that your philosophy is WRONG from either prospective. ~WEG~

What are the earliest possible survival dates for a FETUS to be capable us SUSTAINABLE breathing of it's own accord and volition? Then that should be the last possible day of abortion free speech (or Divine Will) allowable under law.

BEfore that day, and without requiring cruel and unusual "education" in the form of horror counseling, graphic presentations and gauntlets of sign waving fanatics verbally and physically assaulting citizens exercising their legal rights to choose a medical procedure.

I will conceed that your tax dollars should not be spent in this manner if you so choose. There will be a box next to the Election Contribution box on your 1040 form for your convenience.

Assuming of course that RED party, MANDATORY PREGNANCY and FORCED CHILDBIRTH advocates don't fund their activities with Bain Capital accounts in the Cayman Islands and thus do NOT pay US income taxes.

Which raises another question... Should abortion expenses be tax deductible?

skip| 1.19.12 @ 12:15PM

Perhaps, as a mensan, you can provide the definition of 'conceed' to us all.

And, what is the earliest possible survival ages for a HUMAN CHILD to be capable 'of SUSTAINABLE self dependence of 'it's' own accord and volition?

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 2:26PM

Don't know, don't care. But if it can become a person by breathing on it's own, can find a breast on it's own... then killing it would THEN be a crime.

skip| 1.19.12 @ 4:40PM

Why do I suspect a poster from the past has resurfaced?

All that eponymous detestable abominable sexually deviant perverted degenerate behavior you've been engaging in has really been harmful to you.

I had assumed it was with another detestable abominable sexually deviant perverted degenerate.

Not a farm animal.

You really should seek to cease all that jharping between ewe and your jharping ram before it is too late and permanently knocks your jharping brain loose.

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 9:43AM

So, you leave the sensibility of My post unopposed. Thankyou. As for your farm animal fantasies... they have 12 step groups for you, unless you are so far gone your family won't even have an intervention for you?

My bad, you incestuous family unbringing is what LED you to these beastial fantasies! ~S~ Say hit to MOM for Me.

skip| 1.20.12 @ 12:37PM

"So, you leave the sensibility of My post unopposed. Thankyou."

There isn't any sensibility in your posts. Your posts consist of emotional prattle, lacking reason and experience, like the posts of every other liberal.

You aren't sensible enough to compose your thoughts in writing sufficient to leave a reader with the impression you are anything other than an undergraduate student with marginal grades, and that is provided the reader is being charitable.

"Then, IF and embryo is a child, he can CHOOSE to survive in a free market way."

The above gem does not contain an adequate level of logic to qualify as 'prattle' unless the qualifier is being very, very charitable.

"But if it can become a person breathing on it's own, can find a breast on it's own..."

This 'person', if he knows what is good for him, will no doubt 'choose' to exercise his unalienable rights to life and liberty, if he wants to survive, and simply begin breathing on his own, and then embark on a quest for the nearest lactating mammary gland.

Your 'sensibility' is not only 'breathtaking' it is as useful as 'teats on a boar'.

"As for your farm animal fantasies...you incestuous family unbringing is what LED you to these beastial fantasies!"

You, shit for brains, have chosen, in a free market way, for your very own moniker, referencing, obviously with sensibility as the criteria, beastiality.

Idiot.

fckewe| 1.23.12 @ 2:21AM

Thank you skippy. You are the perfect example of an embryo that was forced to become a fetus and then forced to become a preemie. The sad lack of frontal lobes and cerebral cortex tissue is evident in your stilted ... My apologies, I expect WAY TOO MUCH from such a multiply challenged individual.

Be Brave of heart, for omeday, if you are lucky, an archeologist will dig up your rotted corpse and perhaps become famous for a moment in the future by showcasing your skull as the then current "Missing link".

skip| 1.23.12 @ 10:40AM

"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."

(posted by the poster on 1.16.12 at 2:00PM, the poster representing a typical liberal who is representative of the typical integrity and intelligence and honesty of a typical liberal abortion supporter, who posted the above comment on 1.23.12 at 2:21AM, a poster who refers to itself as an ovine sodomizer, an activity representative of the typical morality representative of a typical liberal abortion supporter)

Micha Elyi| 1.20.12 @ 5:32PM

How about charging the unborn with the crime of "forced pregnancy" but waiting until the accused is competent to stand trial?

Oops, that destroyed fckewe's attempt to analogize pregnancy with actual crimes such as home invasion, kidnaping, and the like.

fckewe| 1.23.12 @ 2:27AM

Actually, the MOTHER is the one whom you so fervently wish to FORCE through PREGNANCY. If you ever understood sex, you would have known this before you embarassed yourself so thoroughly in PRINT!

The phrase you misread that confused you was "MANDATORY PREGNANCY and FORCED CHILDBIRTH." Both of which a MOTHER must complete successfully before a fetus can become a child.

cowgirl| 1.19.12 @ 12:25PM

Bain Capital has given more campaign money, approximately $2 million to the Democratic party as opposed to the measley $400,000 that it has given to the Republican Party.

That says it all dude - the Democrats do not fact check anything because they have mental illnesses called liberalism. They step in it again.

Just like Jack Abrhamoff - he got more money from the Dems than he did the Republicans.

You lose.

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 9:47AM

cowgirl! you are riding in the wrong rodeo babe. The Support the RichMitt Society meets down the hall, next to the BAA (Beastiality Addicts Anonymous) meetings. Just follow skip and his goat and go next door.

cowgirl| 1.20.12 @ 11:30AM

fckewe - now that is an enlightening name - you must have the liberalism is a mental illness disease. Like your buddies the occuppiers nothing but trash spew forth from your uneducated mouths.

When liberals can't fight facts they call people names and occupy parks paid for by tax payer's money that don't charge rent.

Occam's Tool| 1.19.12 @ 11:12AM

Jack thinks America should die. And he supports Ron Paul. QED.

PaulyD| 1.19.12 @ 1:47PM

For Anna K below, one question:

At what point in your mother's pregnancy could your mother have aborted you and not killed you?

VonMisesJr| 1.20.12 @ 10:00AM

Before buying Anna the eugenicist elitist rational, look at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Silent_Scream

Jacob R| 1.22.12 @ 8:05AM

So you love a country that murders 100 million innocent children because you have really fond apple pie memories?
Baseball is the reason we should not curse this country for what it's done? Get over your boomer denial of what kind of country your generation has created.

I think your priorities are off! And by the way I know all I need to know about you after you just proudly pronounced that you would pick a broken country over innocent children. The United States has done more to aid the largest holocaust in human history than any other entity, but we gave women the vote and made some really hip music, so it's cool!!!

Anna K. from Emory U.| 1.19.12 @ 9:17AM

Abortion is NOT murder.

To be "murder" an action must involve the intentional killing of innocent human life which is a "person." This is the sine qua non, the absolute key, essential element of the whole definition. If the innocent human life which is intentionally killed does not constitute a person, than no "murder" has been committed.

But what is "personhood"? Some ethicists list more than a dozen criteria for defining "personhood." But I believe there are just three which are absolutely necessary: they are "consciousness," "self-awareness," and "memory." In order for me to be a person, to be "Anna K." it is essential that I possess the ability to experience "consciousness"-by which I mean an awareness of my environment. I must also have the ability to recognize the difference between my environment and myself, which is what I mean by "self-awareness." Despite temporary lapses into unconsciousness and loss of self-awareness due to sleep, sedation, and so on, I remain the "person" I am only so long as I am able to return to consciousness and self-awareness with the memory of my own past intact.

What is it that gives someone consciousness, self-awareness, and memory? It is only one thing: a brain. . With a mature, fully functioning human brain, there can be consciousness, self-awareness, memory, and "personhood." Without a brain, personhood is absent.

The prevailing medical opinion is that, at least as far as the first trimester goes, there simply is not yet sufficient maturation of the developing brain and nervous system to give the fetus any real ability to achieve consciousness or self-awareness. The ethical conclusion that follows from this is inescapable: at least during the first trimester and possibly into the third, a fetus is simply not a "person;" and therefore an early-term abortion does not constitute "murder."

Eloise M.| 1.19.12 @ 9:22AM

Well stated, as usual, Anna K.

You and I think alike on this inflammatory subject.

And this blog is full of unhinged anti-abortion fanatics.

Paula frm Nashville| 1.19.12 @ 9:24AM

You can always count on Anna K. for shining a bright light of reason on a subject.

Peter McGrath| 1.19.12 @ 10:10AM

This is the sort of reasoning that justified the Holocaust. All knowing wonks like Anna K. blithely deign to pronounce the attributes of "person-hood" - and thereby wash their hands of the destruction of tens of millions not having those attributes. This truly sick form of reasoning ignores the undeniable fact that the vast majority of these innocent "non-persons" would have become "persons" within (by her definition) a few days, weeks, or months.

2Anglico| 1.19.12 @ 10:19AM

Thanks, Peter, for saying what I wanted to say, in superior fashion. You logic is impeccable.

Teaghan| 1.19.12 @ 10:45AM

What gets me is these are women who are saying this.
No maternal instinct there, eah?

Elias| 1.19.12 @ 3:07PM

I, too, notice the pro-abortion commenters so far are all women while the commenters wanting to protect unborn children are mostly men. So, since it's the women who are doing the choosing, I'll ask them:

Paula, Eloise & Anna, please tell us men precisely what is going through your minds when you are in the process of allowing yourself to be impregnated with a child that you intend to kill in your womb at some convenient later date?

Callie| 1.19.12 @ 4:50PM

In the heat of passion, the men often insist on NOT using a prophelactic. The woman wants the man to use the protection.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 5:18PM

Horsecrap. Post a link to back this assertion or blow it out your tuchus. Never ONCE in my youth, in the heat of passion & blasted outta my mind, did I forgo a condom. For the simple reason that I was TERRIFIED at the possibility of having a kid.

Elias| 1.19.12 @ 5:33PM

My question still goes unanswered.

Apparently you misunderstood the question.

The woman knows the man is not using protection (sorry, there's just no classy way to put this) while she can still put her knees together, yet she chooses to allow him to impregnate her just the same.

What is her decision-making process when she's still safely un-pregnant? Does she think, "he won't use protection and I'll probably get pregnant, I'm not ready for a baby, and abortion is murder, so No!, this isn't going to happen." Or does she think, "oh well, if I get pregnant, we get off work every other Friday at 4, so I'll just pop in to the PP clinic and tell the girlfriends later I'd rather go to the movies that night instead of going dancing at the club."

And I refuse to accept that 1MM abortions/year are the result of rape.

I mean no personal offense, Callie. My question is directed to the dispassionately articulate Annie and her adoring students.

Nick| 1.19.12 @ 7:45PM

My wife and I practice mostly oral sex, so there's no danger of an unwanted pregnancy.

Nick| 1.19.12 @ 11:06PM

Nice try, whoever you are. I'm not married, dope.

This comment was NOT from me, Nick from Detroit.
How old are you? 12?

Micha Elyi| 1.20.12 @ 5:43PM

Yeah, right. Ask around among your girlfriends, Callie, and - if they're candid - you'll be amazed at how violent some of them will admit to being when the man they want to bed insists on using a condom.

Boar Hunter| 1.19.12 @ 3:20PM

Interesting isn't it Peter?

For brevity sake, I will keep my question simple, perhaps Anna, the shining light of reason, can explain why an individual who kills a pregnant woman is commonly charged with the murder of two, but a doctor can act unfettered by the same law?

What these "unhinged" pro-abortion defenders fail to understand is that most of us, (moral issues aside) do not care about their pathetic lives or their decision to behave like a house cat in heat, as long as they pay for it. As far as your indignation Anna, I call bullshit.

Why can't you understand, you carping whore, that I don't want to spend my money to cover up your promiscuity?

I do not care if you are devoid of responsibility for your decisions or have no understanding of the consequences that result from them. I do not care if it helps you sleep at night to trivialize the doctors removal of your unborn baby from your womb in clinical terms. What you fail to understand Anna, is that when you "F" him you are also "F'n" me out of my money and I didn't even join you on the date.

By the way Anna, you can spare me all the indignation, 99% or more of all the millions of abortions and abortions repeated by the same individuals are the result of some girl being told "I love you" by some boy or man who she is ignorant enough to believe. She has not had the benefit of a family that loves her and has taught her how to act. Sadly, in the void created by proper parenting she has turned to those like you who rape her of her humanity.

In short, what many on our side find deplorable, Anna, is that you evil bitches are teaching children to enjoy recreational sex because abortion takes no more emotional toll on them than the consumption of an aspirin.

Just for the record Anna, I welcome the ability of you and all women to pay for their poor decisions in every since of the word.

Callie| 1.19.12 @ 4:52PM

I think Anna recognizes the complexity of the issue--the failure of ethecists to determine personhood, etc.

Abortions are not fun. They are troubling.

Leela| 1.19.12 @ 7:12PM

Callie, Anna K., and the other pro-choice women here - thank you. Isn't it interesting how the people so vehemently, passionately opposed to abortion are the men, the people who will never, ever have to worry about being pregnant? It's so disturbing, all of you, how you assume women take abortion lightly, how you assume that it's always a woman's fault for getting pregnant, how "she could just keep her knees shut" - tell that to the rape victims. But I suppose rape is the victim's fault and she deserves what she gets, being such a tempting, evil woman and all.
Abortion is not an easy decision. It is not to be taken lightly, and I really think most of us on the pro-choice side do understand this, despite what some of the people in this article think. Abortion is difficult, troubling, emotional, and complicated - complicated because while a fetus may be a life, for the first several months of pregnancy at least it is a life that cannot survive outside of a woman's body, and so carrying a pregnancy requires a woman to give herself over to that life - she becomes less of an individual, adult, free human being, and more of an incubator whose actions and choices are constantly debated and threatened by those around her who have no idea how she may feel about the situation. There are as many reasons for having an abortion as there are women who have had them. But they all have one thing in common: they are nobody's business but the woman's.

Callie| 1.19.12 @ 7:47PM

Well said, Leela.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Nick| 1.19.12 @ 7:57PM

Leela,

"Isn't it interesting how the people so vehemently, passionately opposed to abortion are the men, the people who will never, ever have to worry about being pregnant?"

Bogus argument. There are plenty of Pro-Life women out there.
None of your logically-challenged arguments change the scientific fact that biological human life begins at conception.

"But they all have one thing in common: they are nobody's business but the woman's."

Aaaannnd, the unborn baby (fetus in Latin) who gets killed. I'm pretty sure that it's his business, too.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 10:38PM

YAAAY! ABORTION IS SO "LIBERATING!"

Translation: I'm now "liberated" from this inconveniece so I can go back to screwing people without protection or the pill!

Y'all make me f-ing ill.

Micha Elyi| 1.20.12 @ 5:54PM

Ethicists haven't failed "to determine personhood" Callie. Some simply selectively ignore personhood.

All American American| 1.19.12 @ 4:53PM

Boar Hunter you may have made the single best post ever on this website. Bravo sir!

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 5:25PM

WELL SAID, Boar Hunter! My sentiments exactly!

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 9:53AM

When you go skiing, do you wear ski boots and goggles? Recreational sex involves the same preparations and has it's own specialized equipment. I don't rock climb or repell, but my ropes are never frayed and the carabiners, eyelets and pulleys are all well oiled and, tested to avoid and preorgasmic distress.

If RED party prudes would share what they REALLY do in bed with their children, then the kids might have the forethought to bring protection and might just choose better sex partners.

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 9:54AM

That came out sounding vile and distasteful didn't it? ~wink~

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 9:55AM

I didn't mean to imply that RED party children CHOOSE their red party parents as sex partners...

C Smith| 1.19.12 @ 11:24AM

For a less sanitized rendition, go to Google, click Images, and enter the word "abortion."

Louis Jenkins| 1.19.12 @ 12:08PM

Disgusting! Isn't it great how you gloss over the real meaning of abortion, and the fact that a living being's life has been cut short. I am ashamed of myself for even trying to write a reply to such drivel.

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 9:56AM

It ain't living if it is not alive on it's own.

timmah| 1.19.12 @ 2:06PM

The comments by these "ladies" are deserving of the Nazi comparison. Nice, logical rationale for killing, oops I mean cleansing, girls.

2Anglico| 1.19.12 @ 9:29AM

Couldn't resist name calling could you? So, if an unborn baby is not "human" what is it?
Complete this sentence: It is ok to kill an unborn baby when______?

2Anglico| 1.19.12 @ 9:36AM

Hitler did not consider Jews to be human or "persons" Anna, so, was it ok for him to kill all those sub-human Jews?

2Anglico| 1.19.12 @ 9:46AM

Lastly Anna, if abortion is NOT murder as you proclaim, would abortion rise to the level of Man-Slaughter? How about "wrongful death"? Or, Heaven forbid, "Cruelty to Animals"?

Timothy L. Pennell| 1.19.12 @ 9:53AM

Killing a Black Slave wasn't murder.

It was Destruction of Property.

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 2:30PM

Killing a soldier isn't murder either, according to GWB. SO killing 5000 of then in not mass murder.

VonMisesJr| 1.19.12 @ 3:11PM

fckewe, not you? Get out of here since you are actually making a case for abortion. You can make Sarah Palin think twice.

fckewe| 1.23.12 @ 2:41AM

hahahaha!! THANK YOU! I knew I had many special gifts and talents, but getting Sarah Palin to think ONCE would have been a miracle in itself but... congratulating Me on the ability to perform SERIAL MIRACLES!!!! ~S~

WOW! I'll be looking for that letter from the POPE canonizing Me for Sainthood. Only need one more now! Thanks buddy!

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 4:10PM

Soldiers fight wars & join the military by choice. What "choice" does an unborn child have? So again, you lose. Go home, putz.

Micha Elyi| 1.20.12 @ 6:02PM

Never had to register for the draft, have you?

fckewe| 1.23.12 @ 2:42AM

Tell that to the 57,000 on the 'WALL'. A lot of those volunteers did so to avoid the draft.

Paula frm Nashville| 1.19.12 @ 9:49AM

Let's be rational rather than hysterical. Anna stated that fetuses are not humans with consciousness, memory, personality, etc.

2Anglico| 1.19.12 @ 9:51AM

So, you cannot resist name calling either? Hysterical, yeah, that's me!

C Smith| 1.19.12 @ 10:28AM

"And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Judah; And entered into the house of Zacharias... And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb" (Luke 1:39 -41).

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 2:32PM

the Deceased often have post mortem spasms in the morgue. Chickens with their heads cut off REALLY do run around if let them and fresh frogs legswill twitch off your plate ifthey are REALLT fresh. SO what is the point>?

And ancient account of an even more ancient process? you sure it didn't 'crap' in her womb?

W| 1.19.12 @ 10:31AM

Paula,
How do you know that a fetus does not have consciousness, memory, and personality? You could say the same for some children and adults.

VonMisesJr| 1.19.12 @ 3:13PM

W, you can say that about any liberal.

ncatty| 1.19.12 @ 10:36AM

The rest homes are filled with persons who currently do not fit her definition of "person." Is it okay to "abort" them? If not, why not?

Paula frm Nashville| 1.19.12 @ 9:46AM

First of all, let's get one thing straight: a fetus is not a baby. While it has the potential to become one, it is not a baby because a baby lives outside a womb. A fetus lives within the womb.

2Anglico| 1.19.12 @ 9:49AM

What kind of fetus is it?

Timothy L. Pennell| 1.19.12 @ 9:58AM

I believe that Captain Picard would answer you, thusly: SOPHISTRY.

We are different than the animals. BETTER. At least, we're supposed to be.

Try to remember what having "Humanity" means. Or, at least, what it used to mean.

RouxBella| 1.19.12 @ 10:24AM

Paula, if you are a mother when you were pregnant did you wonder if you were going to have a human baby or a litter of cocker spaniels?

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 10:31AM

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

PLEASE issue a spew alert next time! I'm now wiping Sprite off my monitor! Well played RouxBella!

2Anglico| 1.19.12 @ 10:34AM

Best laugh in a week!!

CAGrandma| 1.19.12 @ 1:36PM

So far, this is my favorite response... It has long been my theory for "if it isn't a baby, what is it???" Most definitely NOT puppies :o)

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 2:34PM

It's a gelatinous, fiberous parasitic growth.

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 2:36PM

And as long as it remains a parasite to it's mother, it is NOT a child, baby, infant, or anything other than a product of conception.

Is a drawing of a concept car a car? is a rendering of an office plaza a building? Is a seed a plant? is a tingling in your nose a sneeze? Even as yu are inhaling? Or is it only a sneeze AFTER the palm of your hand is wet and we all have said gehschunheit

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 3:03PM

You never evolved from that state obviously. You're a putrid human being. That's about all there is to that. You're able to sit here & spew your evil bile because your own Mom saw fit to birth you (G*d knows why). Given the intellect of your posts, I wouldn't be at all surprised if you were the remanants of some guy's "session" that was left in a tissue that somehow mutated asexually into some form of life other than human.

VonMisesJr| 1.19.12 @ 3:15PM

fckewe, you are a parasite. Are you still a fetus?

fckewe| 1.23.12 @ 2:44AM

Junior? Can a fetus TYPE?

jmulcahy| 1.19.12 @ 9:37PM

Like you. Except you are no doubt aware that at conception it has different DNA than the mother. It is a separate human being.

ManassasGrandma| 1.19.12 @ 10:23PM

I had 7 gelatinus, fibrous growths. They are, in order, an attorney, a nurse, a fireman/paramedic, a stockbroker, a soldier and 2 are in college training to assist handicapped people and to teach. Not bad for globs of gelatin, huh? By the way, how many are abortions have you had?

Mile High| 1.20.12 @ 1:30PM

Just like you (or is that ewe).

Canisius| 1.19.12 @ 10:44AM

My Dream: Every Planned Abortionhood in flames every abortion loving, baby killing feminist ripped to pieces by wild dogs

Sam I am| 1.19.12 @ 11:01AM

Such violent, murderous language coming from one who "loves the fetus." Yeah, sure.

Typical hateful talk coming from AmSpecs angry readership.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 11:03AM

"Hateful" would be the hypocrite who advocates infanticide.

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 2:39PM

SO GOD is hateful, because that is what he insisted upon @ Jericho. If GOD wills a miscarriage, is he an abortionist? if GOD creates a storm and the roads are closed and the woman miscarries, is God a murderer?

Same standards for every one friends. How many Pro Life centers have been bombed? How many pro life leaders have been ambushed and violated?

jmulcahy| 1.19.12 @ 9:38PM

Can ewe really be this obtuse. A miscarriage is a tragic accident, abortion is murder.

Marilyn Bertolucci| 1.19.12 @ 7:54PM

The men on here want to control what a woman does with her own body. But we women will not allow you to tell us what we can do and cannot do with our own bodies. A fetus is part of our body, cannot live on its own, is not a human being, so when we choose to terminate a pregnancy we are NOT committing murder.

You angry old Neht Gingrich (Mr. Family Values) can take your misogyny and go to hell with it for all I care.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 8:32PM

You must be another Sanger/eugenics acolyte. Selfish women like you think your "choice" to murder your own child is "liberating." Its only "liberating" because you can continue your promiscuity.

Nick| 1.19.12 @ 11:02PM

Miss Bertolucci,

"A fetus is part of our body [...]."

Your knowledge of human biology is severely lacking.

The fetus (Latin for unborn baby) is surrounded by a protective shell, i.e., the placenta, that protects him from the mother's white blood cells, which would attack and kill him.

This protective shell is first formed shortly after conception, during the morula and blastocyst phase of human development, and is called the zona pellucida.

Also, at the moment of conception, the newly formed human being has his own unique DNA. Do you know what DNA is? It's not just the stuff they talk about on C.S.I..

The newly formed zygote gets 23 chromosomes from the father and 23 chromosomes from the mother, totaling 46 chromosomes. Thus, creating a completely new person, separate from the mother.

This is why abortion is murder.

fckewe| 1.23.12 @ 2:46AM

Murder is the taking of the life of a living being against it's will.

Micha Elyi| 1.20.12 @ 6:11PM

The men on here want to control what a woman does with her own body.

So do the women, Marilyn Bertolucci.

Like a rapist, you seek to define the other who is the object of your attack as a non-person.

Occam's Tool| 1.19.12 @ 1:33PM

Well, I get angry when babies are murdered. Sorry for not being a Vulcan, Dr. Suess.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 11:02AM

How about we lobotomize them with a ShopVac in the same manner by which they abort babies? You know? Poke a hole in the skull & suck the brains & the rest of the fetus out?

Do you eugenecists ever stop to think that your procedure of "choice" resembles something out of a sci fi horror flick? Nah. You don't. You just wanna get rid of the inconvenience so y'all can get back ON your backs.

Terry from Chicago| 1.19.12 @ 11:49AM

Anna, Paula, et al....

You are arguing semantics, typical tactic when losing an argument. I have a simple question for you and your ilk. When does the fetus/baby become a person -- the exact time? Tell me what overt action causes this to occur......

That's what I thought. You cannot. The overt action is conception, at which time the development of the fetus/baby continues on its own in the "safe" cacoon of it.

Eloise| 1.19.12 @ 12:17PM

Anna does not respond to her critics. She has no intention of arguing.

She states her case--and she states it brilliantly-- and moves on. She's a university professor, so I imagine she has more important tasks at hand.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 12:27PM

So in other words, she's a post & run coward who doesn't or can't stay to defend her positions. If I had her views, I wouldn't either.

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 2:41PM

She argues her position well enough that it contains it's own defense.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 3:04PM

Unfortunately, one cannot say the same for you, Sheep Banger.

Elias| 1.19.12 @ 3:16PM

uh-oh, you just ruined the sheepbanger's pen name he thought was so clever. My hat's off to you, Chef. I wouldn't have made the connection.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 4:13PM

Regarding fools like him, there's a quote feom my favorite movie that comes to mind:

"Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity."...Bullet Tooth Tony, "Snatch"

Drunken Sailor| 1.19.12 @ 12:31PM

Yea, like filling young heads such as yours full of mush.

Occam's Tool| 1.19.12 @ 1:32PM

She's an University Graduate Student, Eloise. I, on the other hand, was a faculty member of University of Alabama's School of Medicine.

Abortion is wrong. Now, you may argue some cases, like when a woman is on multiple birth defect causing drugs to save her life from a dread disease, or when one is faced with a situation where one has to save baby OR mother.

I've been an MD for 24 years. In all that time, I have run into ONE case, ONE, where I had a situation between continuing life saving drugs for a patient vs. proceeding with a recommendation for abortion. ONE. And I've treated many pregnant patients as a psychiatrist.

Please. The life saving stuff can be easily codified and dealt with. There would be fewer, I am sure, than 1000 abortions for that reason in the whole US per year. And I am grossly overstating the case for argument's sake. But we've aborted what, 60 million in the years following Roe V Wade---well over a million a year. Please.\

(And no, I won't tell you what my decision was. Practicing Medicine, like life, can hurt a lot sometimes.)

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 2:43PM

So, if a baby has only one defect, it should try and live with CF or Tesacks?

timmah| 1.19.12 @ 2:14PM

"more important things to do". Ah ,yes. Brainwashing the next generation who are totally unprepared to deal with her elegantly "reasoned" sophistry and dependent on her for their grades. Important work, indeed.

VonMisesJr| 1.19.12 @ 3:17PM

Orwell quote: "Some ideas are so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them."

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 3:36PM

hahaahha interesting.

Occam's Tool| 1.19.12 @ 1:36PM

Paula---wrong again, Bocephus. Neonatology has been steadily decreasing the age of viability. As mentioned before, if the Doc does an oops in a late term abortion and the baby slips out, can he then chase it around the clinic and kill the child with a ball peen hammer?

You are obviously not medically trained.

Drunken Sailor| 1.19.12 @ 2:17PM

OT,
Graphic but beautifully put!

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 2:55PM

nope, but he sure can't put it back in the nest!

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 3:35PM

Neither are you Tool. Babies generally take a year to run, 3-6 months just to stand.

Calvin | 1.23.12 @ 8:09AM

Mr. Obama, as senator from the Land of Lincoln, said sure, why not?

tonypal| 1.19.12 @ 5:23PM

So you're saying that the baby (my preferred word) is not a "baby" until it actually emerges from the womb. Do I have that correct?

Why is that so? By what logic did you arrive at that conclusion? Or is there any logic? Is it simply a matter of the way you feel? Why should emergence from the womb be the dividing line between what should be allowed to live and what we can snuff out with impunity?

Further, if you can't give a coherent explanation as to why that is the dividing line, then why have any dividing line at all? How about we allow people to snuff out a life 1 month after the baby is born? Again, explain the difference.

Should Have Impeached| 1.19.12 @ 8:42PM

So a "baby" is defined by geography and/or the presence or absence of life support. Anything rightly defined can be considered as merely "having potential to become". Okay. If you're comfortable with that.

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 9:59AM

It is a fetus. Before that, it was an embryo. Before that, it was at least one person's orgasm. That being the case, do you advocate murder charges fro any man who ejaculates into a condom? Or for any woman who spits OR swallows?

Because sperm is a living cell with life potential... Checkmate!

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 10:00AM

I mean it is so valuable, they have banks for them.

Micha Elyi| 1.20.12 @ 6:21PM

"It is a fetus."-fckewe

Physicians traditionally communicate in latin. "Fetus" is latin for "child." So you've admitted it is a child.

fckewe| 1.23.12 @ 2:52AM

NO!!!!! From Merriam-Webster's :

Definition of FETUS
: an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth
compare embryo 1b

Origin of FETUS

Middle English, from Latin, act of bearing young, offspring; akin to Latin fetus newly delivered, fruitful

Definition of EMBRYO

1
a archaic : a vertebrate at any stage of development prior to birth or hatching
b : an animal in the early stages of growth and differentiation that are characterized by cleavage, the laying down of fundamental tissues, and the formation of primitive organs and organ systems; especially : the developing human individual from the time of implantation to the end of the eighth week after conception
2
: the young sporophyte of a seed plant usually comprising a rudimentary plant with plumule, radicle, and cotyledons
3
a : something as yet undeveloped
b : a beginning or undeveloped state of something

Books are incredible things. If you could just learn to READ, not just spew what Fox News spits in your ear, your small world would open up for you through the written word.

skip| 1.25.12 @ 11:21AM

"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
(ovinesodomizer 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM)

In the definition you as a mensan took only three days to provide, that likely allowed at least one farm animal a much needed - potentially lifesaving - rest, perhaps you as a mensan happened to notice the definitions were about the "developing human" and "developing human individual", of which there are currently over seven billion on the planet, including you, who as a mensan may right this moment be a developing human individual developing a desire to be poked, prodded and porked by porcine rather than ovine barn animals as a developing human individual, in addition to continuing to identify and foster developing human intelligence for the benefit of developing humanity, encouraging developing research into the developing nature, developing characteristics, and developing uses of developing intelligence, and providing a stimulating developing intellectual and developing social environment, as a developing human individual.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 10:04AM

Yeah, its so irrational to oppose infanticide & eugenics.

Stormy| 1.19.12 @ 11:03AM

This whole exchange reminds me of Bill Clinton's "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is".

In this case it depends upon what the meaning of the word "abortion" is. What are we talking about here, folks? Abortion is not an academic debate. This is life or death. In our souls, we know that abortion is very wrong. Some would like to make it an abstract concept to debate.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 9:25AM

Again, like others here, you seem to not be able to read the article. The woman about whom this article is written, an abortionist, said:

Hoffman bluntly acknowledged that abortion involves killing an unborn child: "In the beginning [pro-lifers] were calling it a baby. We were saying it was only blood and tissue. Let's agree this is a life form, a potential life; you're terminating it. You don't have to argue that abortion stops a beating heart. It does."

Tell me how that's not murder. Tell me why people who kill pregnant women often results in TWO charges of murder.

Paula frm Nashville| 1.19.12 @ 9:50AM

She says "a life form, a potential life."

A potential life!

She does not call it a "baby."

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 10:02AM

Regressives can argue the most idiotic aspects of semantics, I know. Can anyone tell me how something with a heartbeat is a "potential life?"

People like Frau Hoffman cannot justify what they do, so they change the language. They change "baby" to "potential life," while admitting in the VERY SAME SENTENCE that the "potential life" has a heartbeat. Its just like when liberals stopped calling themselves "liberals" & started calling themselves "progressives."

Change the language, you can re-shape the argument. Until you play out whatever word or phrase you've substituted for the previous whitewash job of distasteful things.

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 10:01AM

If you die in a car accident, and I CPR your corpse, is THAT heartbeat a sign of life in a headless, legless form?

Timothy L. Pennell| 1.19.12 @ 10:03AM

What's the matter Paula? Did you MURDER one of your BABIES?

That's it, isn't it?

You might wanna find a good CHURCH to go to. You sound like someone who's hurting, and in need of help.

I wish you luck. I really do.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 10:08AM

People like her, Anna K. & Frau Hoffman mentioned in the article are pathetic in their attempts to justify their heinous ideology. Not just heinous, but laughable as well.

Sam I am| 1.19.12 @ 10:27AM

Let's hope she does not go to YOUR church, Pennell.

By the tone of your hateful voice you sound like you might belong to Westboro Baptist.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 10:35AM

Aw, another person who can't handle brutal honesty & some coarse language. Fred Phelps is a DEMOCRAT:

http://bigjournalism.com/bhall.....st-church/

I suppose since Pennell's words offend you so much, you don't watch "R" rated movies or swear at all yourself, do you?

Eloise| 1.19.12 @ 12:29PM

Your link is to Brietbart, a right-wing trash site that has a reputation for twisting the truth, for outright lying.
To say that the founder of
Westboro Baptist Church is a Democrat is ludicrous beyond belief.

Westboro's stand on social issues is totally antithetical to Democratic beliefs. Crazy.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 12:49PM

"When you have no basis for argument, abuse the plantiff."...Cicero

That's all you got, Eloise. Kvetch about the source? Cool I can give you another one:

Phelps has run in various Kansas Democratic Party primaries five times, but has never won. These included races for governor in 1990, 1994, and 1998, receiving about 15 percent of the vote in 1998. In the 1992 Democratic Party primary for U.S. Senate, Phelps received 31 percent of the vote. Phelps ran for mayor of Topeka in 1993 and 1997.

^ "Kansas Primary Results – Aug. 4, 1998 by Congressional Quarterly". CNN. August 5, 1998. http://edition.cnn.com/ALLPOLI......results/. Retrieved July 9, 2010.

1992 Kansas Primary Election Results" (XLS file). Election Results. State of Kansas Secretary of State. http://www.kssos.org/elections.....tics.html. Retrieved July 9, 2010.

Care to try again, idiot?

Timothy L. Pennell| 1.19.12 @ 10:44AM

Hey. I'm just keepin it real.
Besides. The shoe fits.

Occam's Tool| 1.19.12 @ 12:05PM

Sam: TLP supports our troops. That would disqualify him from Westboro Baptist, right away. And one of the things that offends him most about abortion is the killing of Minority kids.

Your logic is deformed.

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 10:02AM

Church! the answer to EVERYTHING!!!!

Teaghan| 1.19.12 @ 12:44PM

Keeping it impersonal makes it easier to promote their agenda. Keeping the inflamatory language out of it keeps it from sounding horrific.
A womans right to choose. That's the one that gets me. How much more manipulative can you get in promoting your eugenic and save the earth agenda.

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 10:05AM

Teaghan, how about sperm collection and banking, then mandatory vasectomy for all post pubescent males? If he wants to father a child, he can do so by choice. That protects his rape victim from needing to abort the consequences of his crime and you can sleep easier at night.

your choice. you GET the 'Right to CHOOSE' now?

Louis Jenkins| 1.19.12 @ 12:13PM

Yes, in many states the charge is murder, for the mother, and murder for the baby. This is law. Abortion is also law. Which is correct? If you have malice towards the woman, and kill her, you must have malice towards the unborn, and by killing her you kill the unborn. So which law is more correct? Can't really have it both ways can you?

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 10:06AM

Solomon and the baby. Which States have laws that violate Roe V. Wade by charging pregnant women with murder for abortions?

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 10:07AM

Solomon and the baby. Which States have laws that violate Roe V. Wade by charging pregnant women with murder for abortions?

Claypoole| 1.19.12 @ 1:01PM

Yes, Con Chef. Remember Scott Peterson who murdered his pregnant (with a son) wife Lacey in CA a few years ago? He was convicted of 2 counts of murder. So why, if an abortionist had killed that child, would he be within the law?

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 1:10PM

The eugenecists don't seem to have an answer for that one. Go figure.

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 10:08AM

The baby was almost full term, beyond the Abortable first trimester.

Nick| 1.20.12 @ 6:20PM

Claypoole,

"So why, if an abortionist had killed that child, would he be within the law?"

Because, along with the Roe v. Wade decision, there was Doe v. Bolton, which made it legal to kill unborn babies (fetuses in Latin) up to the 9th month.

It did this with the legal loophole that stated that states could regulate 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions except in cases where the life and health of the mother were at risk.

The "health" exception was used to get around any regulation that a state tried to enact in order to stop late-term abortions. All an arbortionist had to say was that the mother's health was at risk.

Only liberals whose reasoning skills are infantile, incoherent, and impotent believe that abortions are limited to the first trimester. They like to spew their ignorance in comboxes for all to see.

Anthony| 1.19.12 @ 9:33AM

Wow, Spoken like a true lefty academic. A wonderful job of dissembling if there ever was one.
I bet Anna K. from Emory U. has a Ph.D. in Sustainability from Arizona State University as well!!!
Hey Anna, it's hard to experience consciousness and self awareness when you don't make it out of the womb, don't you think? What do the geniuses at Emory say about that?
Come to think of it, I may be wrong about your degree in Sustainability, it does not appear to be your strong suit.

Timothy L. Pennell| 1.19.12 @ 9:44AM

A Ph.D. in Sustainability.

Nice.

Sam I am| 1.19.12 @ 11:05AM

Whatever degree she has, it's evident that her writing skills are far above anyone else posting on this blog.

Her remarks are always exemplary examples of persuasive writing--persuasive to those who are capable of reasoning rather than emoting.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 11:18AM

You cry about people using coarse language in the most hyperbolic fashion, yet kvetch about people "emoting." Oh, the staggering irony. Here's a clue:

This is an "emmotional" issue. There's passion on BOTH sides of the debate. One could just as easily ridicule you & your ilk for the very same "emoting" that you decry coming from those of us who are pro-life.

Timothy L. Pennell| 1.19.12 @ 11:24AM

Yeah, she's great. In fact, she's so great, I'm thinking about aborting YOU, off my screen.

Ya see, to people like Sam, it's always STYLE over Substance.

Who cares that the MUSLIM is Destroying this Country. I mean, the way he talks, ya barely know that you haven't had a job for three years.

And, Abortion? Who cares, that you're MURDERING a Baby? What's that, compared to Anna K's Wonderful Lucid Comments, meant to Hypnotize her Victims, in to getting an abortion, of their own.

Isn't that right, dumb*ss.

Harvey Sutton| 1.19.12 @ 12:32PM

People please!

Can't we be a little more civil in our discourse? We sound like a bunch of playground bullies.

The tone on this blog is so sour that I rarely come here. Reading this vicious vitriol leaves me in a poisonous state of mind.

If you cannot comment in a civil tone, don't comment. That's what I say.

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 10:09AM

Tim, did you EVER fondle a girl in school? Kiss her before she was 16? Then YOU are more of a child molester than Obama is a Muslim!

RICHARD| 1.19.12 @ 11:58AM

Are you kidding? Leftism is founded on emotion.

Rita| 1.19.12 @ 2:53PM

CALLING A MODERATOR!

Moderator, please delete all posts that use profanity and are couched in the verbal style of a junior high school bully.

A few women posters on here have expressed themselves in civil tones, while the majority of males are braying like donkeys.

Reading these horrible diatribes can give one a headache.

Please, moderator, delete some of the more incivil posts.

If we cannot discuss a serious subject politely, then do not post your opinion.

I may not agree with Anna K from Emory U, but I can surely comment on her post without sounding like a drunken jackass.

W| 1.19.12 @ 4:07PM

Rita and Harvey,
We can't help ourselves. We have to bray.
But seriously, why should we be polite when we are condemning the killing of innocent life? Should we be polite when condemnng the Holocause, or slavery, or the commies killing 10o million people with Mao killing 60,000,000 and Stalin starving 10,0000,000 Ukranians, or the Turks killing 2,000,000 Armenians?
If you can discuss the killing of millions of innocent babies only in polite words, then you are not truly offended.

All American American| 1.19.12 @ 5:00PM

Rita there's no crying in abortions.

But yes let's talk all nicey and politely about killing babies. Hve a spot of tea too?

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 10:10AM

Leftism is founded on freedom, and growth. Conservatism is all about maintaniing the status quo, nOT growing and NOT allowing others to be free. They CALL themselves 'Right' to cover their agenda of stagnation.

Occam's Tool| 1.19.12 @ 12:03PM

What are you talking about? The woman argues from false premises to false conclusions, Sam.

Abortion is wrong on so many levels. The cheapening of life perspective (Anna, I'm sure, objected to the Marines' urinating on dead Taliban terrorists, yet supports the death of innocent children), the failure to have enough workers to support a social safety net perspective, the "Knock-Knock" of history perspective (when historic events are going to occur, the first law of history is to ask "who's there?" The United States Navy was not present at Lepanto, and the European Union will have too few kids to be present in the fights against Islam circa 2030.), and the slippery slope of the sanctity of life perspective.

Please. By reason alone, Mankind should not have been capable of coming into existence, as it is a climb up the entropic ladder. And emotion is what gives savor to life. Further, if one does not respond to murder with an emotional response, one's ethical upbringing is corrupt , indeed.

Well, any University that would give a Center to Jimmy Carter is deficient, indeed.

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 10:16AM

Jimmy Carter is all about peace and humanitarianism. he is also Pro Life.

Are you saying, that abortions reduce the # of children who will die in Armageddon? HAHAHAHA!!!

You don't believe in the 'sanctity of LIFE'! You only want these children alive to fight in the Holy War your preacher tells you 'must be fought' so you can get to see JESUS!

You frigging hypocrite! you will NEVER pass through the eye of a needle, not because you are rich, but because you area blatent FRAUD!

Timothy L. Pennell| 1.19.12 @ 9:43AM

Who are YOU to decide, who is a person? Who F*cking died, and made You, GOD?

If it has HEARTBEAT, then it's Murder. If it has a Heartbeat, inside it's HUMAN Mother's Womb, then it's a BABY, waiting to be born.

You ask if it's"Self Aware? Are the Severely Retarded, "Self Aware"? The Severely Handicapped? Is someone in a Coma, "Self Aware". Should THEY be eliminated, for the Greater Good. as well?

What is personhood. You people always trot out your ORWELLIAN New Speak, when simple TRUTH, is not on your side.

Who gives you the RIGHT, to end that life?

And, what about the Murderer, on Death Row? Are you in favour of his death? Or, is it only the INNOCENT, that deserve to die?

Let me tell you Disgusting POS B*tches something.

You had better PRAY, that you're right, and that there is No God.

Cause you're F*cked, otherwise.

How do even look at yourselves in the Mirror?

There are things that make us HUMAN.

Abortion, is not one of those things.

May you Burn in Hell.

Paula frm Nashville| 1.19.12 @ 9:53AM

Your filthy, gutter language undermines your ability to make a valid point on this subject.

Timothy L. Pennell| 1.19.12 @ 10:06AM

I don't know. I think I made my point, rather well, thank you.

What's YOUR point? And, why are you so Strident, for the Continuation of INFANTICIDE?

How's that, Dumb B*tch?

Valid enough for ya?

Icky| 1.19.12 @ 12:40PM

You write "dumb bitch." You, Timothy, sound like a misogynist to me. Time to mend your ways, man.

Icky| 1.19.12 @ 12:40PM

You write "dumb bitch." You, Timothy, sound like a misogynist to me. Time to mend your ways, man.

2Anglico| 1.19.12 @ 10:10AM

But you can't refute any of his points, can you?

Timothy L. Pennell| 1.19.12 @ 10:20AM

You don't have any POINTS. You just wanna KILL BABIES in their Mother's wombs. Apparently, so you can get back out on the street, and start Whoring around, some more.

Is that it? Are you a Whore? Is it because you're a SLUT? Is it because you're an EASY LAY? A Nymphomaniac. Did your Uncle Knock you up, or something?

What is it, 2Anglica? Tell us why you want these Babies DEAD, so bad.

We'd really like to know when you became a MONSTER.

2Anglico| 1.19.12 @ 10:38AM

Timothy, I was replying to Paula. I was saying Paula could not refute YOUR points. Note I said "HIS" points.

2Anglico| 1.19.12 @ 10:40AM

My moniker, 2Anglico, is to put people on notice that I can put a round through a flea's ass at 500 yards, using iron sights.

Sam I am| 1.19.12 @ 11:07AM

Now you see how dense Pennell is, 2Anglico. His mind does not comprehend very well, and he cannot express himself without resulting to thug lingo.

Thug lingo.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 11:24AM

It seems to me like the people who lack comprehension are the ones who say things like "potential life" while admitting in the very same sentence that the "potential life" actually has a heartbeat.

Timothy L. Pennell| 1.19.12 @ 11:26AM

Yeah. Cause, everybody knows that Sam I am, NEVER makes a mistake.
At least I admit them, jackwad.

VonMisesJr| 1.19.12 @ 3:37PM

Sam I am, did we hurt your little metrosexual feelings. It is one thing to be a blowhard. It is another to be a sanctimonious little bitch.

Timothy L. Pennell| 1.19.12 @ 10:41AM

Actually, I think I might have made a teeny weeny little boo boo, here.

Everybody. I git 2Anglica's comment wrong. I apologize #2.

Just insert "Paula from Nashville" in place of the Wonderful (I might add) 2Anglica, and then everything will be back to normal.

All right. Move along. Nothing to see here.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 10:22AM

Aw, he used "gutter language." How terrible. At least he's not a eugenecist who tries to pass of his views as "noble."

W| 1.19.12 @ 10:35AM

Paula
You seem more upset by Tim's language than killing a baby?

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 10:37AM

I love the "foul language" brigade. Its cool to justify killing babies in the womb, but STAY THE HELL AWAY from George Carlin's "7 words you can't say on TV!"

CAGrandma| 1.19.12 @ 1:38PM

I thought his point was EXTREMELY valid. No misunderstandings at all...

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 10:19AM

Please excuse Tim, he doesn't like girls. He wants them to suffer in the horrors of their sins.

Drunken Sailor| 1.19.12 @ 10:01AM

ahh our resident Feminist chimes in. Always find it interesting your post are always followed immidiately by other liberal feminst posters that never comment anywhere else here.

To bad your mother didn't feel the same way you do, she could have saved you years of aggravation by aborting you.

Eloise| 1.19.12 @ 11:09AM

It might surprise you that there are conservative feminists, Drunken Sailor--Drunken Sailor, an appropriate moniker for you, it seems.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 11:25AM

You're certainly not one of them, so who cares what you think?

Drunken Sailor| 1.19.12 @ 12:42PM

And it might surprise you that my moniker is tribute to your fellow liberals and your political party's spending habits, not my 2-3 drinks per week.

Just a hint for you. Pro-abortion is not a conservative view so logic dictates that you and your heroine, who are pro-abortion (notice that really isn't pro-choice) are liberal morons.

And as the great Winston Churchill said.

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly."

And just so you don't mis-interpret ugly in this sense, it is referring to your soul, psche, mental state, what have you, not your physical appearance. I'm not as shallow as you.

Eloise| 1.19.12 @ 2:57PM

Ever heard of a fiscal conservative who is a social liberal. That's what I am, and that's what a lot of conservatives are, especially the younger ones.

And by the way, Anna K. is my professor, and I think she is the most brilliant woman I have ever had the good fortune to study under.

Drunken Sailor| 1.19.12 @ 3:06PM

I figured she was your professor. How else did your young head get filled with mush. Brilliant she may be, does not mean she is infallible.

Three questions for you and her. It is rather personal.
1. Do you practice birth control or do you believe abortion should be used as a form of birth control?

If you don't practice birth control you are simply making the abortion argument for your own convienence.

2. Have you ever had a abortion

If not how do you know the guilt they live with? I have NEVER met a woman who had a abortion that did not regret it deep down.

3. Have you worked or voluntered or been to a abortion clinic?

If not I suggest you do, it may change your tune.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 3:13PM

Professor of what? Eugenics? Too bad you have no idea of the historical context of the views your beloved professor. Its also too bad that you think that abortion on demand should be a form of birth control.

Especially being your age, you can't tell me you or any guy you're about to be "intimate" with doesn't know the ramifications of what you're about to do & the countermeasures you can undertake to reduce, to almost ZERO, the chance that you'll need an abortion AT ALL.

I'm not TOO (33 in March) much older than you, & I'm here to tell you that conservatism has a lot to do with social issues. If you're a conservative, then you believe in personal responsibility. Therefore, wouldn't it make sense that you would take all precautions neccessary to avoid placing yourself in that position?

Just think on it.

Drunken Sailor| 1.19.12 @ 3:23PM

By the way. It is impossible to be both fisical conservative and social liberal without some dissonance. Your social liberal idea cost money that your fisical conservative better judgement does not want to spend.

Young Liberals become Old Conseervatives for a reason. They learn from their mispent youth and expireince.

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 10:21AM

Excellent point. All My dates LIKE oral contraception. ~S~ and I don't believe in wasting taxpayer money on salaries for public office. Nor Staff or limos or junkets. Their contributors can pay for all that.

Occam's Tool| 1.19.12 @ 1:11PM

And you are Conservative and pro-Abortion? How are you this?

Eloise| 1.19.12 @ 2:57PM

See above, Occam.

Nick| 1.19.12 @ 3:17PM

Eloise,

One cannot be a conservative and also be a pro-abort. Being in favor of killing unborn babies (fetus in Latin) disqualifies you from claiming to be any kind of conservative, fiscal, or, otherwise.

Someone who has no qualms with taking an innocent human life will have no qualms with taking another person's property.

This is why RINO feminazis like Snowe and Collins have NO problem with raising taxes. They don't care about the God-given right to life. Why should they care about the God-given right of property?

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 10:23AM

property has a marketable value, measurable in dollars. I don't see you parallel between it an inutero tissue.

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 10:24AM

Did you support the killing of 4700 Americans in Iraq for the property value of the oil under the sand?

CAn't have it both ways. You can't be a conservative and be an imperialist OR a killer! Most CERTAINLY not if you are both!!!!

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 10:26AM

So your tax sheltered income is as important to you as children? O WOW! Says a lot about YOU!

VonMisesJr| 1.19.12 @ 10:03AM

Especially if it is the baby of a minority. Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist. She was a Hitler without all the screaming and saluting.

Perhaps these "enlightened" people who recall their "conciousness" as a fetus have some words of wisdom on amebas and rodents. Darwinism proclaims that you came from primortial ooze, and perhaps you have some instinctive feelings or recollection.

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 10:28AM

She wanted women, who were prisoners and property of there husbands @ the time, to make birth control choices preconception. jst say no isn't a workable solution when your rapist husband suffers no penalty for 'taking his husbandly rights' and forcing her to 'wifely duty'.

Au Contraire| 1.19.12 @ 10:11AM

Self-awareness in humans typically emerges around two years of age. So by your measure even infants aren't "people"? Very disturbing.

Au Contraire| 1.19.12 @ 10:12AM

(I was replying to the Anna post, btw.)

VonMisesJr| 1.19.12 @ 10:38AM

Au Contraire, the logic is contorted but I think I figured it out. We can now abort all liberals, no matter what their age.

They are a "collective" by virtue of their "social justice" claims, and therefore never achieved self-awareness. I am perplexed with the concept of whether if we abort them all in one fell swoop, would it constitute just one murder?

It raises the same dilemma as Dietrich Bonhoeffer who planned to assassinate Hitler. Would it be immoral to eliminate such an immoral monster?

CAGrandma| 1.19.12 @ 1:40PM

Let's just send Anna and Paula to the Borg to join their collective... see how they like it. Non-thinking robots that they are!

Rita| 1.19.12 @ 12:46PM

God bless you Anna for your calm and reasoned voice. You never stoop to the low vulgarity of some of the posters on here.

You're too intelligent to resort to profanities.

VonMisesJr| 1.19.12 @ 1:01PM

Must be another "enlightened" eugenicist. Read Thomas sowell if you are enlightened enough to understand?
http://jewishworldreview.com/c.....11912.php3

Elias| 1.19.12 @ 3:49PM

"God bless..."?!?!?!

I'm speechless...

Almost.

The greatest blessing God could give Anna (and Eloise, Rita, et al) is to open her eyes to the horrific destruction of innocent human life she has been promoting. I pray that He does.

Teaghan| 1.19.12 @ 10:47AM

Are you from the democrat party?

SeymourGlass| 1.19.12 @ 11:12AM

Here's the crux of Anna K's argument:

But I believe there are just three which are absolutely necessary: they are "consciousness," "self-awareness," and "memory."

Let's distill it a little more:

"I believe..."

Fair enough.

I don't believe what you believe.

C Smith| 1.19.12 @ 11:19AM

T-shirts emblazoned with the declaration, "I Had an Abortion." Interesting, have never seen one. Do not have to wonder why:

It is not possible to destroy the pure and innocent image of oneself implanted within without conviction.
Moreover, it is not possible to destroy the pure and innocent image God implanted within, an image of Himself, without conviction!

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness" (cf. Genesis 1:26).

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 10:30AM

SO, GOD admits in the Bible to NOT being the only ONE TRUE God. He STATES to his fellows, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness" (cf. Genesis 1:26).

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 10:30AM

Then is that OTHER God, named ALLAH?

Micha Elyi| 1.20.12 @ 7:40PM

Never heard of the "royal we", have you?

Ask a ram, he'll explain it to you ewe-ie.

Occam's Tool| 1.19.12 @ 11:20AM

Anna---stay away from my kids, just like Jack and Clint.

The fact is, you fail to understand that abortion is part and parcel of a culture of death that dehumanizes this society---like calling Doctors "Health Care Providers" and Patients "Consumers," and discussing the need for euthanasia and end of life care "rationing" rather than proper palliative care and pain management.

This is a Conservative website---of course we are going to be pro-life. Even Cheesehead Jack and Occam's Tool agree on this one. If you don't believe in the sanctity of human life, what are you trying to CONSERVE?

Incidentally, by your criterion, patients in a vegetative state would have no human rights.

Timothy L. Pennell| 1.19.12 @ 11:28AM

That is very good.

Language. Orwell knew this, as did Goebbels.

Anna is in good company.

Occam's Tool| 1.19.12 @ 1:11PM

Thanks, Tim.

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 11:38AM

THANK YOU for bringing wisdom to this discussion. Your parents must be very proud to know that their investment in your education has produced a strong mind capable of both deductive and inductive reasoning. ~S~

RichTex| 1.19.12 @ 11:56AM

My 97 year old mother, who by the way once taught at Emory, remains alert and cognizant of the world around her although suffering the physical frailties one might expect at that advanced age. However, if she had gotten to the point where she lost “consciousness”, “self-awareness” and “memory”, according to Anna K. she would no longer be a person. Therefore, if someone walked into her room and blew her head off with a shotgun “just for the fun of it”, Anna K. could not find that person guilty of murder. Perhaps, she could find him guilty of the misdemeanor offense of malicious mischief in destroying the bedsheets.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 12:17PM

C'mon, Tex! You know that our Dear Leader said it was just better for granny to take the pain pill. These regressives are just staying true to form.

Buck O| 1.19.12 @ 12:31PM

Roger that. See my post below.

Buck O| 1.19.12 @ 12:30PM

"But I believe there are just three which are absolutely necessary: they are 'consciousness,' 'self-awareness,' and memory.'"

The latter two of which a child doesn't have until possibly as late as age four. Congratulations - you've just created a justification not only for abortion but also for infanticide. You must be proud of your brilliant "reasoning."

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 12:53PM

Remember, Buck. We're all the "uneducated" ones.

Micha Elyi| 1.20.12 @ 7:45PM

Good point, Buck O. And as soon as she falls asleep she herself doesn't exhibit the properties of 'consciousness,' 'self-awareness,' and 'memory' properties either.

cowgirl| 1.19.12 @ 1:22PM

Abortion is NOT murder.

You have no authority to make that statement. Therefore the rest of your comments are meaningless.

CAGrandma| 1.19.12 @ 1:47PM

Render to Caesar what is Caesar's and render to God what is God's....

to whom will you render? Caesar during your time on Earth and God when you die? Of the two, who will absolve you of your choice (sin)???

Ohhh Ohhh, I know, I know!!!!

Dean from Ohio| 1.19.12 @ 1:50PM

Anna K. is perched on the slippery slope of genocide, and she doesn't even realize it.

There must be, what, several hundred thousand living human-like organisms who do not meet your criteria of personhood due to mental defect, accident, injury, etc. Think of the money that could be saved by ethically ending their suffering! A lot of them must have perfectly good organs too. Think of all the people that could benefit!

And think of the children. Exposing them to imperfection in the human condition by having these life forms where they could be seen or encountered, why that constitutes bullying.

The scientific fact is that, from fertilization onwards, what you describe as unworthy of life is what a human being is at that stage. You were just that. The reason why, seared and scarred consciences like Sanger's aside, abortion is a troublesome decision is that people instinctively know it is a human life that is being extinguished.

Your plastic clips of reasoning will collapse when any weight is put on them, and you and everyone around you will slide down the slippery slope into chaos, extermination and oblivion.

David W| 1.19.12 @ 1:52PM

Remember that definition of "person", for there are those who will define others as not persons for their own use (blacks, native Americans, Jews, Asians, non-muslims, women, etc., have been defined at one time or another as non-persons). If you, as supporters of the weak and defenseless, don't view unborn children as "persons" then can someone, with an as warped view of personhood as yours define you as a non-person? After all, wouldn't personhood be in the eye of the beholder (e.g., how does Reverend Wright really view whites)?

And as far as being unhinged anti-abortion fanatics, if there were that many unhinged fanatics then would there actually be any abortion clinics in operation? Wouldn't we unhinged fanatics just walk in and cause all sorts of unhinged mayhem, preventing the god-like work you hinged abortion supporters perform??

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 3:29PM

DO ED qualify as persons? If they don't, then they shouldn't get to vote, be on the ballot, or have a primary even!

Dr. X| 1.19.12 @ 3:02PM

Anna K. I have a prison cell awaiting you in my dictatorship.

Nick| 1.19.12 @ 3:04PM

Anna K.,

"But I believe there are just three which are absolutely necessary: they are 'consciousness,' 'self-awareness,' and 'memory.'"

Your definitions of "personhood" are completely arbitrary and have nothing to do with human biology.

By your definition, a born baby could be killed up to the age of 2 years. People in comas could also be killed. What about the severely autistic? Are they self-aware?

Human life begins at conception, according to science. Life requires DNA, growth, consumption of oxygen and food. The human zygote meets all of these criteria.

Here's an interesting factoid:
"Replication of DNA over that time period [eight hours] requires an assembly rate exceeding 208,000 nucleotides per second.37 Amazingly, DNA replication is accomplished with an average of only 1 error per billion ([10 to the 9th power]) nucleotides." Source:

http://www.ehd.org/dev_article_unit1.php

You really should read this link, Anna K., so that you may learn about the actual science of human biology. Then, you will learn that abortion is truly murder.

p.s. Did you post the comments from Eloise M. and Paula frm Nashville to make it seem that you had support for your extreme liberal position on this site?

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 3:33PM

When you build a car or a radio, it takes time and different units of the whole develop in different timetables. SO with the embryo to fetus, which EXACTLY when does this change take place? Science should be able to tell us.

And science can also tell us exactly WHEN the fetus becomes a child. you SAY it is at conception. is a seedling a carrot when you pull it up?

Nick| 1.19.12 @ 3:45PM

Didn't grade-schools also get a day off for Martin Luther King's birthday?
Why is this kid home today?

W| 1.19.12 @ 4:09PM

Nick,
Don't defame grade school kids.
Al Adab told me to ignore fekewe, he is a sickie.

Nick| 1.19.12 @ 4:47PM

W,

You are correct. My apologies to grade school kids.

Believe me, I have no intention of engaging with someone who makes such infantile, incoherent, and impotent remarks.
This person is not worth my time. I would rather respond to some stupid democrat party hack taking a survey.
Take care, and God Bless!

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 10:34AM

But Dubya clone and Nick can't mount a statement in response. They can only, together, maybe prove they are not as smart as a 5th Grader.

SeymourGlass| 1.19.12 @ 6:41PM

Nick: you're right on the mark.

Note Anna K's use of the phrase "I believe".

That's what her argument comes down to - her belief.

Nick| 1.19.12 @ 7:34PM

SeymourGlass,

Exactly.
This is all that these pro-aborts ever have, their beliefs. They hate science.

Sam I am| 1.19.12 @ 8:07PM

Anna K., you are one powerful, articulate woman. You've got all these rabid right-wing men on here going doo doo in their diapers.

Hailarious. Anna, you are in control, so keep on keeping on.

Nick| 1.19.12 @ 10:42PM

Son of Sam, you are delusional.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.20.12 @ 1:34AM

Yes, its so "hilarious" to treat such a topic as nonchalantly as you people seem to do.

KyMouse| 1.19.12 @ 4:05PM

People who want the right to kill other people can always come up with rationalizations to do so. Anna is a prime example.

Anna, if you had been aborted while in your mother's womb, you would not be alive today. You are the same person today that you were while in her womb -- over time, you have grown and matured physically, but you are the continuation of the new human being who began life when your mother's egg and your father's sperm joined. You did not come from an embryo, you WERE an embryo.

"The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology," a textbook for medical students (not seminary students) says on its first page:

"Human development is a continuous process that begins when an ovum from a female is fertilized by a sperm from a male...A zygote is the beginning of a new human being."

Why are pro-abortion people so anti-science?

Micha Elyi| 1.20.12 @ 7:48PM

Good points all, KyMouse.

Perhaps anyone who wants an abortion should have asked their mother for one.

skip| 1.19.12 @ 4:13PM

Liberals are NOT sustainable.

To be "sustainable" a liberal must acknowledge the self-evident truths that all men are created equal, that all men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among the certain unalienable rights endowed to all men by their Creator Who created all men, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. This is the sine qua non, the absolute key, essential element of the whole definition of what is sustainable. If a liberal believes even one innocent individual can be intentionally denied life, negating liberty much less pursuit of happiness, than that liberal is not sustainable.

But what is a "liberal"? Some would list various criteria for defining "liberal". But there are just three criteria which are absolutely necessary to define a "liberal": they are "an individual who emotionally prattles devoid of reason and experience", "an individual who lacks intelligence and honesty", and "an individual who lacks integrity". In order for a liberal to be sustainable, such as the idiot Anna K. from Emory U., it is essential this idiot can with integrity think and act intelligently and honestly based on reason and experience devoid of emotional prattle. A liberal, such as the idiot Anna K. from Emory U., must also have the ability to recognize the difference between reason and experience, and emotional prattle. And must also have the ability to recognize intelligence, honesty, and integrity from a lack of intelligence, a lack of honesty, and a lack of integrity, which is, in absolute essence, just simple "common sense". Despite temporary lapses, obviously unintentional, where a thought or action by a liberal actually occurs based on reason and experience devoid of emotional prattle, or is actually intelligent, or honest, or actually is consistent with integrity, it does not therefore follow that a liberal has become sustainable.

What is it that gives an individual with integrity intelligence and honesty based reason and experience devoid of emotional prattle? It is only one thing: the brain created and endowed to that individual by his Creator. With the proper use of this brain created and endowed by his Creator, an individual can avoid being an unsustainable liberal. Without the proper use of this brain created and endowed by his Creator, an individual will be an unsustainable liberal.

The prevailing thought on the unsustainability of liberals is that, at least as far as liberals becoming sustainable, it is simply not possible as liberals are unintelligent, dishonest, lack integrity, and base their thoughts and actions on emotional prattle devoid of reason and experience. The ethical conclusion that follows from this is inescapable: at the least, liberals are tyrants, a liberal is simply not sustainable; and therefore liberals should immediately be reconstituted as the natural manure of the tree of liberty that must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of tyrants.

Margie| 1.19.12 @ 4:58PM

"To be "murder" an action must involve the intentional killing of innocent human life which is a "person."

Anna, I guess you can't be a person, then, since at one time you too were a fetus.

I am so thankful to God that He saw fit for me to never attend Leftist University where they teach insanity!

Kingofthenet| 1.19.12 @ 5:33PM

To be honest, thats a TERRIBLE defense, many people who are in Coma's or Elderly would fit in that category.

Nick| 1.19.12 @ 5:44PM

Where's your defense, KooK?

I'm still waiting for your explanation as to when, precisely, the fetus (Latin for unborn baby) becomes a "child".
You keep refusing to answer. Some might call this cowardly behavior.
I thought that you were an expert on this subject?

Kingofthenet| 1.19.12 @ 5:53PM

A Fetus is an unborn baby, so wait for it... it becomes a Baby when it's born.Now I know your next going to say to me, so I guess killing a fetus, at 9 months is fine. Actually that would be OK by me, but to keep it simple, i have no problem using viaability outside the womb as a guide.

Nick| 1.19.12 @ 6:15PM

Again, KooK, this is not what I asked, is it?

When, PRECISELY, does the fetus (Latin for unborn baby) become a "child". I presume by "child" you meant a person worthy of legal protection, correct?

Since you probably forgot, you asserted that a fetus (Latin for unborn baby) is not a "child" because he wasn't viable. Here's your asinine statement, in full:

"Closure? Well first have opener [sic], the 'kid' was a 20 WEEK old fetus, the kids never met it. If A CHILD dies, by all means refer to it as a person."

I, then, proceeded to tell you about a fetus, who was just under 22 weeks, who survived her pre-mature birth. Learn more about this Miracle Child, here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fejTulMNaPM

Those who merely assert that an unborn baby (fetus in Latin) is not a person, must provide the exact time at which he becomes a person.

Kingofthenet| 1.19.12 @ 7:13PM

You know some women dump thier BABIES in the garbage? SOME are charged with murder others not, why not all? Well the law requires the procucution to show the baby was alive, tossing a dead baby away isn't murder.Well how do you tell ALL the babies are dead when they find them? Well you look to the lungs are they filled with air? If so it was alive. So a fetus at 9 months who is killed by the mother is NOT alive, not that it couldn't breathe if given a chance, but it didn't so no murder.

Nick| 1.19.12 @ 7:24PM

KooK,

Your reading comprehension skills are as flawed as your logic.

We are not talking about legal.
We are debating when human life begins, scientifically.

So, answer the question, okay?
Quit trying to deflect. You're not very good at it.

Kingofthenet| 1.20.12 @ 12:02AM

Human life like any life starts with a implanted fertilized egg,

Kingofthenet| 1.20.12 @ 12:08AM

BTW: I am DONE with you Nick unless you answer 2 questions from me:
1. Is it correct that someone who uses an IUD is a SERIAL murderer of Babies?
2Usingng the 'Morning After' pill likewise is an abortionist and baby murderer?

Nick| 1.20.12 @ 12:20AM

KooK,

You're getting closer. But, alas, you are still wrong.
Human life begins at conception.

Besides, implantation happens during.....the Second Week after conception, brainiac. And 10 days after implantation is complete, the baby's heart starts beating! Check it out: http://www.ehd.org/dev_article_unit2.php

If you really believe human life begins with implantation, why aren't you against abortion?

Nick| 1.20.12 @ 12:44AM

KooK,

"BTW: I am DONE with you Nick unless you answer 2 questions from me:"

No, you're done with me because you have no answers. You really haven't thought about your ill-conceived beliefs, have you?

First you stated that a fetus (Latin for unborn baby) is NOT a "child" because he isn't viable. Now, you say that human life begins at implatation? Please, reconcile these two bogus assertions.

To answer your questions, "Yes, is the technical answer." IUDs and "Morning-After" pills kill many human beings, as well as making many mothers ill.

Unborn babies (fetuses in Latin) can get stuck because of IUDs, continue to grow in the fallopian tube, and result in an ectopic pregnancy. Or, the unborn baby can die, start to decompose and infect the uterus. IUDs can also perforate the uterine wall.

RU-486 floods the mother's body with artificial steroids which try to stop the baby from implanting, or, dislodge the baby, if he has already implanted. The effects of these steroids are usually harmful to the health of the mother.
They are almost always lethal to the unborn baby (fetus in Latin.)

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 10:40AM

Actually, in a Republican way, any one who receives Social Security is a burden that should be eliminated. they want to cut the entitlements (to steal the money invested in the SS system during a lifetime of working). Wouldn't it just be easier to ABORT them too? For all practical purposes, these USELESS financial burdens on the TAXPAYER should be euthanized for the good of the ECONOMY!

Reagan started it by creating a pensionless business model with 401K and IRA's. Which meant that without wage increases, worker's now fund their own retirements (save a 0-5% copay from the employer), immediately redistibuting wealth from the earnings of workers to the Boardroom.

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 10:41AM

What's a little euthanasia (since they can't afford to eat or pay rent...they die) between Corporate business partners?

Tony in Central PA| 1.19.12 @ 8:32PM

This is what I call the Schrodinger's cat argument in favor of abortion. In this case the cat ( unborn human ) might be just about anything if its still in the womb ( if it even exists ). We can be sure it isn't human. Why ? Because it doesn't vote, participate in rallies, have a blog, do interviews, etc.
The author attempts to back - engineer her argument by setting out some parameters that " define " what it is to be human. By her own definitions as to what qualifies one to be human, the author could be killed without penalty if she ever developed amnesia.
When a woman can kill the baby living inside of her without remorse, what business does she have being outraged about her rights not being respected ?

Ken Royall| 1.20.12 @ 12:26AM

As an ex-fetus, I can say that all fetuses are pro-life. What you want doesn't matter when you are infringing on the rights of someone else. That fetus is not part of your body. If it were, you would die when the fetus was removed.

LIFE, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness remember? When you terminate a pregnancy you are denying someone of their life and you have no right to do that. It is really not a complicated issue at all.

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 10:44AM

Bad analogy. Many people live just fine without a thyroid, spleen, gallbladder, pancreas or with only one lung or kidney. How YOU managed to do it without a brain should be front page news.

I do know many who live with only portions of their brain tissue in tact after gunshots and accidents, but your case merits special considerations. Is it the Effects of the RED KoolAid over a lifetime perhaps?

Robert Szeged| 1.20.12 @ 3:54AM

First, if not all human life is a person, why would you liberals continue harping about the need to protect "human rights"? Why not "person's rights"?

Second, your insistence that an unborn baby does not have "consciousness," "self-awareness," and "memory" does hold a drop of water in the face of available medical evidence. Do your homework first.

The real question was posed and (surprisingly) honestly answered by the abortionist featured in the article: Does abortion stop a beating heart? The answer: Yes, it does. Case closed.

VonMisesJr| 1.20.12 @ 9:58AM

You will need to go to the net to find a version you can view on your computer, but here you go with an comprehensive answer to your elitist eugenics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Silent_Scream

IzeHavitt| 1.20.12 @ 12:19PM

The above article indicates the increasing brazenness of The Left; i.e., the accursed. Many years ago, I can remember a political cartoon in AmSpec. The scene is in a graveyard and some guy is shaking his fist at God and saying, "Why don't you send us someone who can cure cancer?" In the next panel, God replies and says, "I did, but you aborted them." You can couch your rebellion and subsequent stupidity in pseudo-intellectual terms all you want to, but it's still that: rebellion against God's law, and stupidity.

Jacob R| 1.22.12 @ 8:09AM

You're a troll Anna. And stop trying to copy Harvard leftists and tell us how you went to Emory like your gender studies degree there was very difficult.

At the moment of conception the child has a unique DNA strain. In every way that code is as unique as yours. So by my personhood test the unborn child is worth more than you because it hasn't yet had the chance to commit the disgusting sins you probably eagerly partook in at Emory! :)

Occam's Tool| 1.19.12 @ 11:36AM

You obviously DON'T know jack about Santorum, Jack.

Seek| 1.19.12 @ 7:11PM

As if there would have been zero abortions had Roe v. Wade gone the other way. I lament abortion, but remain a realist: Law alone won't end, or even necessarily curb, abortion any more than Prohibition ended or curbed the production, distribution and consumption of alcoholic drinks.

Alan Brooks| 1.19.12 @ 9:33PM

Better unborn should be murdered than us. Life is all about zero sum gain.

Jacob R| 1.22.12 @ 8:13AM

No that's the hell in your mind.

In the real world quality of life has risen with world population. Fear is the tool Satan uses to make you complicit in the Holocaust.

I can already tell I'd like the anonymous unborn child to be born and perhaps replace you. No offense it's just the unborn child will probably be way less of a buzz kill than you!

skip| 1.22.12 @ 2:55PM

"A researcher who has spent over a decade examining the economic impact of abortions finds that the approximately 50.5 million abortions in the U.S. since 1970 have cost the American economy $35 trillion."
(lifenews.com)

Always the idiot, or do you just play one anonymously on the internet?

Michael| 1.20.12 @ 2:34PM

Jack, would you kindly cite a source for the number "60 million"? And would you show the relationship between viability and "person" as defined by science and law. Only urbanites count chickens that are not hatched.

skip| 1.20.12 @ 11:02PM

Per the Guttmacher Institute, the research affiliate of Planned Parenthood:

abortions January 22, 1973 through January 20, 2012:

54,636,335

Michael| 1.21.12 @ 2:08PM

skip, the source of such information is unreliable, since some states make no report. A fact to consider: abortion totals (speculative) are declining. It is worrisome that Texas and Florida are among the top 3 in use of the methods for ending a pregnancy. Perhaps if those folks kept a Bible between their knees? the men as well, eh.

skip| 1.21.12 @ 3:48PM

I use this number because of the source, which is affiliated with an organization that fanatically supports abortion and exists on revenue generated through abortion.

I find little logically inconsistent from the #2 and the #4 most populated states being among the top 3 in the use of methods designed to terminate pregnancies. Not even ovine sodomizing mensans or idiotic graduate students from myopic academic institutions with an abominable lack of integrity expect Wyoming to be among the top 3.

Perhaps you can provide a source for the number of abortions that have occurred in the United States since January 1973 you have determined to be a more accurate number, and/or clarify the point you wish to make for the edification of those interested.

Michael| 1.21.12 @ 6:06PM

Skip, the place to begin looking will be in the early years. Who specifically or what organization stated a number in 1973/74? And their source?
Among items to consider: when women ceased to be chattel, they obtained a conscience equal to yours or mine. Those who chatter about abortion do not recognize equality. Nor the value to women of the Planned Parenthood organization. Nor factual education, for that matter, eh.

skip| 1.21.12 @ 10:08PM

To clarify the lack of any clarification you have inarticulated:

You not only do not have a source to counter the number provided you have presented no basis to doubt either the accuracy of the number or the source.

You believe in the equality of all men and believe that the equality of all men allows some from among all men of equality to prevent the existence of others from among all men that exist in equality.

Your belief could conceivably exist with a shred of integrity should this have been your belief had the one from among all men that exist in equality prevented your existence in equality as an equal from among all men.

Pity, instead, all men existing in equality are left with only emotional prattle and no intelligent and honest edification based on reason and experience.

Jacob R| 1.22.12 @ 8:16AM

It's not fun when people rebuff your leftist attempt to make it seem like pro-lifers are lying about the numbers whenever they're right is it buddy?

Michael| 1.23.12 @ 12:39PM

And, Jacob R, your evidence is? There is a good deal of money to be made by lobbyists using important numbers. The first number given, from which all other numbers have been made, was a guess by a self-interest group. If women are equally citizens, men cannot deny them a conscience equaly to that of a man.

old white guy| 1.19.12 @ 8:35AM

the republic will not stand much longer. from the massive unpayable debt to the killing of the next generation the people have lost their way and deserve to be punished for their sins and they will be.

Real Men Love Jesus| 1.19.12 @ 10:21AM

Remember Ron Fitssimmons' position that abortion is a moral decision for women. Kinda like the moral decision to have ones tonsil removed? Our problem is that in today's republic we each get to establish our own morals. Without the moral foundation our founders recognised, there is no foundation left (no pun intended). without a (moral) foundation, this republic will implode.

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 11:44AM

Rome didn't implode because of a lack of morals!!! It in fact SUCCEEDED because of said lack of morals. The same kind of morals that allows a criminal President who outright and repetitively deceives his Nation, who engages in a war for profit and sandbags the next 2 generations with the cost of his personal profit from said war to exit office without handcuffs and without a trail.

What destroyed ROME was nation building beyond it's workable range of control. The Roman legions were sent to far to protect Rome for the vandals and Goths and Visagoths et al.

And without Barack Obama to stop this madness, a RED party president would continue this middle east conflict until were were more in debt than southern Europe is.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 11:58AM

Bush ain't the President anymore & MaoBama has gotten us into Libya & now Uganda. No indignation there from regressive fools like yourself.

The Roman REPUBLIC collapsed PRECISELY because they abandoned the morals upon which it was founded. You can thank Caesar, Antony & Octavian for ending the Republic.

"Men ask, what is the reason why I, or why any one of you, O conscript fathers, should be afraid of bad laws while we have virtuous tribunes of the people? We ahve men ready to interpose their veto; ready to defend the republic with the sanctions of religion. We ought to be strangers to fear. What do you mean by interposing the veto? says he; what are these sanctions of religion which you are talking about? Those, forsooth, on which the safety of republic depends. We are neglecting those things, and thinking them too old fashioned and foolish. The forum will be surrounded, every entrance of it will be blocked up; ARMED MEN will be placed in garrison, as it were, at many points. What then?--whatever is accomplished by those means will be law. And you will order, I suppose, all those regularly passed decrees to be engraved on brazen tablets. 'The consuls consulted the people in the regular form,' (Is this the way of consulting the people that we have received from our ancestors?) 'and the people voted it with due regularity.' What people? that which was excluded from the forum? Under what law did they do so? under that which has been wholly abrogated by violence of arms?"...Cicero, the First Philippic

So again, to clarify for the historically ignorant amongst us (aka all you supposedly "educated" regressives), the Roman REPUBLIC DID collapse because they abandoned the morals & principles upon which they founded it, as Cicero illustrates in his oration above against Antony. The Roman EMPIRE grew too big & split into 2 parts. That's why IT ended the way it did.

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 3:02PM

Touche`. And thank you for admitting you knew EXACTLY what I was talking about. Had they not strayed far beyond supply from and defense of ROME, Rome might have always been the center of the civilized world.

SO NOW, how would your precious defunct Republic stand on this issue? Cnsidering it was stand operating procedure to put all men, older boys and pregnant women to the sword upon conquering new territory, then raping the remaining women regardless of age to insure Roman birth to the next generatin of citizens...

WHat exactly would they think or Roe v. Wade?

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 3:17PM

This ain't Rome, Republic OR Empire, moron. Nor is it Sparta.

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 10:45AM

you made the point, I just snuffed your shot. Why are RED children such sore losers?

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 10:46AM

And PROOF that a moron is smarter than YOU, is in your failure to make the shot.

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 10:48AM

I'm a sport, I'll give you ONE more free throw.

What would the Roman Republic OR Empire think about Roe v. Wade?

I can type slower if it helps you submoron.

Jacob R| 1.22.12 @ 8:19AM

You came, you saw, you bitched at conservatives, declared yourself victorious and then ran away!

VonMisesJr| 1.19.12 @ 3:56PM

Rome collapsed for many reasons, morals being the underlying factor. They also debased their currency, sort of like what Obama and Ben "the Bank" Bernanke have been doing on steroids for three years. Then they installed price controls, a favorite of Keynesians that always results in shortages. If you can't sell a bushel of wheat for more than it costs to produce, people starve. And lastly, they trained the conquered barbarians military tactics and then sent them to the front lines, never reasoning that they might do a 180 and march toward Rome.
But brilliant eugencist like Anna (who should have stuck with a banana) tell us how smart and cultured they are, and we dumb asses that read economics and history are not worthy to discuss such esoteric topics. Well Anna Banana, the barbarians have turned around and heading your way. We barbarians have outreproduced your eugenics.

Michael| 1.21.12 @ 7:27PM

Do not forget the effects of introducing lead into the making of their cooking/eating dishes. And if Eve had continued with the banana, there would be no VonMises Sr, nor that made in his image.

Todd S| 1.19.12 @ 4:02PM

You are really arguing the point that Obama is going to stop the madness so we don't end up more in debt than southern Europe? Here is a little factoid for you, Obama has increased the debt in 3 years more than Bush did in 8 years! Obama is taking us down the path of southern Europe and plans to gut our military so we become weak like Europe and unable to defend ourselves. Back to abortion, I believe it was Obama that thought babies born alive in unsuccessful abortion attempts should be left to die. A real humanitarian that man is, deserving of a Nobel Peace Prize.

Kingofthenet| 1.19.12 @ 5:36PM

Yeah, because Bush left Obama with an Economy in GREAT shape, as good as the one he was given by Clinton.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 7:11PM

You mean the one the Republican Congress gave Bubba? Oh, & here's a secret:

(hushed voice) Bush hasn't been President for about 3 years now...

Michael| 1.21.12 @ 7:31PM

Todd S-weetie, did you turn down any instances of tax rates favorable to you since 2008? You do know that the rate is not sufficient to fund your government, don't you? and forces the borrowing of money to pay your bills, don't you?
By the way, did Mr Obama write the legislation you mention? and is the issue as simple as the one you understand?

Claypoole| 1.19.12 @ 1:18PM

Pray Psalm 85.

Kitty| 1.19.12 @ 6:38AM

If everyone had "love for the family one already has", then abortions of convenience would never be necessary. After all, pregnancy isn't something that 'happens' to you, it happens by the choices we make. Unwanted pregnancies can be avoided.

Teaghan| 1.19.12 @ 8:08AM

That is my argument to my friends who are "pro choice". How may forms of birth control are there out there? If you are going to be sexually active, use one of the many that are available to you fromPP!

Kitty| 1.19.12 @ 9:12AM

Exactly. Try saying there is no such thing as an "accidental" pregnancy to a pro-abortion person, and then stand back.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 9:30AM

BINGO! Kudos to both of y'all for your comments. In THIS day & age, where condoms are available almost ANYWHERE & handed out FOR FREE in many places, where birth control is also readilly available, there's no such thing as an "oops" pregnancy other than the miniscule numbers of contraceptive measures that just didn't work. Like the one in a million odds that someone on the pill gets pregnant or a condom fails.

Kingofthenet| 1.19.12 @ 5:37PM

I break Condoms all the time...

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 5:59PM

Bravo for you.

SeymourGlass| 1.19.12 @ 6:47PM

"I break Condoms all the time..."

Just wash your hands first, and you won't need one.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 7:12PM

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

WELL PLAYED!

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 11:52AM

I DO hope you support your position by vehemently fighting for sex education and contraception distribution in your schools. I also hope you lobby long and hard and spend as much as you can in contributions to fund food stamps, welfare, unemployment, medicaid, WIC, multi jurisdictional police forces, juvenile courts and detention facilities, district courts, probation an parole authorities and prisons.

These things area must in an abortion free society and to deny abortion rights and NOT care for the babies and children in a MANDATORY PREGNANCY and FORCED CHILDBIRTH nation is to be brutally cruel to those unwanted children and morally reprehensible as a parent, a Christian, a citizen and as the dictator of other people's choices in thes FREE country.

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 11:54AM

The list I cited are the products of unwanted children, neglected children, abused children and are ALL the parents fault.

Occam's Tool| 1.19.12 @ 1:16PM

fckewe: Actually, no. Self-reliance is also a good thing. Making Black Men Raise Their Own Kids would help immensely. Eliminating some safety nets is also a good thing, when the people are able-bodied.

Allowing the State to raise Black kids has been a horrifying disaster for Black children. My kids are both members of Minority Groups. (Mayan Indians from Guatemala) I thank G-d every day that they are being raised in a household with a Jewish Daddy.

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 3:13PM

Amen. But the roght to lifers so often forget the responsibility to life with concepts like an unfunded "no child left behind" and Santorum's Blaaa.. s need no stinking food stamps!

Jacob R| 1.22.12 @ 8:22AM

I know plenty of sexual abuse survivors who prefer their lives to having had their brains bashed in before they ever got to see a sunrise.

These horrific lives that await all the unborn children, what in them will be more horrific than sexual abuse?

Claypoole| 1.19.12 @ 1:23PM

So it's better to be dead than to be unwanted or neglected? And, by the way, child abuse usually comes at the hands of mommy's boyfriend.

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 3:16PM

Mommy is culpable. There ought to be ongoing parental education as a Constitutional responsibility of all parents. Mommy was the abuser of Karla Faye Tucker, and what a prize specimen of Christianity she turned out to be.

Why are not conversions to Islam, Wicca, Judaism, Buddism etc EVER considered for pardon or commutation of the death sentence? Unless you guys wanna try for a Constitutional Amendment to define THAT! LMFAO

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 12:02PM

You don't need to support those things "vehemently" in order to make the point that there's no excuse for needing an abortion due to the abundance of info on sex ed that's out there.

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 3:18PM

But if you make it mandatory to FORCE the childbirth, you better FORCE it's support and care until it is 18. That means REAL school funding and improvements across the board, not just for Mitt the Shit's kids.

Elias| 1.19.12 @ 4:07PM

The charity that receives the greatest of my donations (2nd only to my church) is a childrens home that provides unwed mothers with room and board, prenatal medical care for mother and her unborn child, Christian counseling, and adoptive services into Christian families for their babies.

Kingofthenet| 1.19.12 @ 5:39PM

Not many Black mothers there I bet...

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 5:57PM

C'mon, man! There's NO WAY you can makevthat assumption. To which charities do YOU donate? I know when I give my yearly $100 to St. Jude's Children's Hospital in my hometown of Memphis, its going to help sick kids. PERIOD. The racial breakdown of the kids who benefit from my paltry sum matters not in the LEAST to me (and St. Jude doesn't turn away kids whose parents can't pay, its almost all charity). Nor should that matter to anyone who donates to charity. St. Jude's, the Memphis Ronald McDonald House (that one specifically because it mostly caters to St. Jude's patients & families) & the Wounded Warrior Project. Never once has the idea of the demographics of the beneficiaries of those charities crossed my mind.

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 10:57AM

Amen ConChef. MakeaWish gets a large slice of My time and money. SO does Toys for Tots, MDA, Easter Seals, and Special Olympics. I o believe that sports being more than 10% of the school budget is preposterous. (it was 35% of My college budget, as it is in most high schools)

Art and sports should equally have 10% of the budget. Math, Science, English, Social Studies and Business should each have 15% and the last 5% should go to Driver's ED, Sex Ed and Life skills (like insurance, tax and banking education).

But hey, I'm a social liberal, so what sense can that make in a RED party blog?

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 10:50AM

So you support the church in selling babies. how Christian. I mean really, because this has been a Christian business model for centuries.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.20.12 @ 12:11PM

I'm not a Christian, Sheep Banger. And where did you glean that I "support the churh in selling babies?"

Michael| 1.21.12 @ 7:34PM

conchef, did fckewe claim residence in Tennessee as you do?

Jacob R| 1.22.12 @ 8:25AM

This is an absolutely absurd argument.

The majority of human beings in history have been born into unhealthy situations. They still went on to become civil rights heroes, presidents, scholars and doctors.

The circumstances a child is born into say nothing of where he or she will go in life!

Michael| 1.23.12 @ 2:38PM

Jacob R, you in fact have little evidence to support your view. In fact, poverty begets poverty for the majority born into economic deprivation. They lack adequate health care, especially if they are born in Texas. Their schools will be underfunded. Employment opportunities will be long commutes away. That extraordordinary physical beauty or strength or native talent enriches a few is not enough to make such conclusions as you make. Does that justify abortion?No. But the fact is that no abortion belongs to you. You can create a problem but you do not have to carry it to term. And in fact, the most fundamental churches preach against use of contraceptives. What hope does a young Baptist woman have?

Moe Blotz| 1.19.12 @ 6:41AM

"What does love have to do with it?" : Tina Turner. "How can The Dream live if we keep killing our babies?" : Rev. Alveeda King. Somewhere among those 40 million murdered innocents may have been the next great president of the USA. In the Sanger line of thinking, the baby butchers lightened the load on our judicial system.

Dr. X| 1.19.12 @ 6:50AM

This country is sick.

The Sexual Revolution, Feminism, Abortion and Pornography are depraved and perverse. The abortionist is 100% correct -- the filth and the perverts in this country celebrate their perversity and probably a third of the sluts in this nation have had a baby hacked from their uterus so they can go back and sleep with yet another tattooed, dope-smoking maggot of a boyfriend or make another porn video.

This country is in a death spiral. The only hope of saving it is a military coup d'etat by an enlightened dictator to throw these people in prison for life. (I mean that 100%, too, and I'd like to see it start by having the 101st Airborne drag that flap-eared Marxist out of the Oval Office by the heels). If not, it's all over -- and a lot sooner than you might think.

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 12:02PM

i respect you opinion, and your right to have it. but since you were spawned, oral sex has become the new handshake, 14 year old girls have a sexual prowess and understanding that most of their MILF's don't have and not realizing that Leave It To Beaver is 2 generations past relevance.

Other than condoms, IUD's, pills, patches and implants, there are safe sex methods of pleasurable contraception. The same gratifying means of sexual expression, affection, and love exist today that your parents could have chosen to avoid being burdened with you.

Comprehensive sex education, including fellatio classes for Jr High School girls would mean that a girl would NEVER be caught without adequate oral contraception options.

Occam's Tool| 1.19.12 @ 1:17PM

My kids are homeschooled. I think there are things more important than Madame Mambo's House of Divine Inspiration through Fell ay tio for my daughter to learn. Thanks, Mr. Sheep.

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 3:21PM

I respect that Tool. Does she know what a vagina is? how to care for it? Will her's be useful after her virgin marriage?

DO you even have a plan if she comes home PREGNANT? Are you gingto toss her out of your house? Disown her completely? ... Force her to marry the boy!!!? Seek an abortion?

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 4:21PM

He's a doc, so I'm sure he knows how to take care of his child's physical well being. You, however, should seek help for your MENTAL well being.

Gerald R.| 1.19.12 @ 3:04PM

Oral Sex! Shut your mouth!

Oral Sex is practiced only by the most perverted deviants, not the sort who read American Spectator. Oral Sex, God forbid, has never crossed our minds.

If the missionary position was good enough for missionaries spreading the gospel, then it's good enough for me.

Gerald R.| 1.19.12 @ 3:22PM

Yes, and when you have oral sex "you cast your seed upon the ground," as it says in the Bible.

rhortus| 1.19.12 @ 6:07PM

So? I still have 20/20 vision.

Pervus| 1.19.12 @ 8:09PM

My wife likes to take it on her face. No pregnancy problems for us.

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 10:58AM

Only if she spits it out. Has your wife EVER orgasmed?

Jacob R| 1.22.12 @ 8:31AM

The leftist scummy sex attitude is rearing its ugly face! (Soon he'll be telling you that if you don't want a woman to kill her child that means you actually want to rape her and own her womb for eternity..someone tell him we're not obsessed with the sex lives of murderers just because we don't want them out murdering.)
Now watch quietly friends, this is when we see them in their truest form!

Michael| 1.23.12 @ 2:42PM

Jacob R, perhaps you misunderstand. If you do not want a woman to choose an abortion, you must keep your pants zipped. Or you must stand against your Church and use a condom. Or you must recognize that your opinion is not backed by either law or science, nor by the meaning of equality of citizenship in the US.

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 3:25PM

Enjoy gerald! Enjoy. Only the unskilled have to practice giving head.

Nice of you to speak forall the members of AMSpec. But even St. Paul espouses jesus's preference for the oral arts. "It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles, (he's talking about meat) it is what comes out ofthe mouth that is corrupt." Meaning if you suck, you better swallow, cause spitting it out is a sin!!

Suzy| 1.19.12 @ 8:10PM

DISGUSTING!

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 11:03AM

Which part?

Callie| 1.19.12 @ 3:25PM

Gay people never have abortions. I think we should commend them for not aborting their fetuses.

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 3:27PM

I NEVER understood the homophobic rage. Letting them marry and live openly will breedthem out of the gene pool in 4 generations. Making them live in the closet in fear, procreating with unsuspecting women only passes those genes along.

NO offense to the 15% of the RED party that are gay. I was just making a point about your detractors.

Micha Elyi| 1.20.12 @ 7:53PM

"Gay" is a politics, Callie, not a sexual preference.

And you're displaying great ignorance of what your "gay" political bedmates do.

Kingofthenet| 1.19.12 @ 5:42PM

So you want to Overthrow the USA by using violence? I imagine you use the Constitution as Toilet Paper, Mr. McVey?

Appleby| 1.19.12 @ 7:02AM

Ere my heart beats too coldly and faintly
To remember sad things, yet be gay,
I would sing a brief song of the world’s little children
Magic hath stolen away.

The primroses scattered by April,
The stars of the wide Milky Way,
Cannot outnumber the hosts of the children
Magic hath stolen away.

The buttercup green of the meadows,
The snow of the blossoming may,
Lovelier are not than the legions of children
Magic hath stolen away.

The waves tossing surf in the moonbeam,
The albatross lone on the spray,
Alone know the tears wept in vain for the children
Magic hath stolen away.

In vain: for at hush of the evening,
When the stars twinkle into the grey,
Seems to echo the far-away calling of children
Magic hath stolen away.
Walter de la Mare.

Timothy L. Pennell| 1.19.12 @ 9:49AM

Good job.

CAGrandma| 1.19.12 @ 1:54PM

Lovely... :o)

Ted| 1.19.12 @ 7:57AM

So what I find ironic is that at the end of this wonderful article there's an avertisement. It says Winter Sale 50% Holiday Special. No mention of what holiday. It's not like the "reason for the season" is Christmas or anything..... And to top it off, you click on there thinking you might pick up something nice for your daughter or grandaughter.... And it's a gay promoting website. To go with an article about the culture of death in our country. Ironic.

Micha Elyi| 1.20.12 @ 7:55PM

The ad was placed based on a keyword match. So much for Callie's claim that homosexuals aren't looking for abortions, eh?

POST American| 1.19.12 @ 8:00AM

-----------Tavistock SOFT SELL subliminal--------------
--------------------------ALERT!-----------------------------

Now for a REALITY CHECK:

AS we contemplate our, now, 51 MILLION
exterminated unborn consider--

"DO YOU understand? ---we now have generations
of young women who've been systematically
indoctrinated, for decades now, to turn
on their offspring. This was all done deliberately,
greenlighted by ther Macy group in the early
50's ---and led by the tax free 'benny violent'
foundations. DO YOU REALIZE what that's
done to your culture? ---your society?
Have you ANY idea the moral and spiritual
implications? ---Turning on your offspring
in the name of 'convenience' ---or even 'lifestyle'.
---And all the while massively funding and
promoting pornography ---deviancy. All
engineered and authorized from the very top.
---------YES, the very, very, very top------------
Remember, nothing ---BUT NOTHING in
culture, no matter how low, has been authorized
and even implemented by the top?"

---------------------------TRUE----------------------------

Bob K.| 1.19.12 @ 8:03AM

Abortion is a form of Genetic Suicide and Hoffman is practicing Assisted Genetic Suicide. It is likely that members of her own ethnic group are her best customers and it does not bode well for their demographic survival as a culture in a couple of generations.

Sanger was an unabashed racist who pushed abortion as a way of controlling "inferior" peoples. Now it has become common among her own peoples who, like the gadarene swine, are rushing headlong toward the cliffs.

Moe Blotz| 1.19.12 @ 8:10AM

Mzz. Sanger's approach did not work too well in St.Louis, as Christopher Orlet's article gives evidence today.

Seek| 1.19.12 @ 7:14PM

Actually, it wasn't tried.

Ted| 1.19.12 @ 8:49AM

Everything you say about Margaret Sanger is true. Except... (And I find this really odd myself) Sanger was actually oppposed to abortion. For eugenics. For sterilization. Hated Catholics. Hated blacks.... For birth control. But against abortion.

tracey| 1.19.12 @ 10:08AM

actually she disapproved of abortion but was able to support it's use as a necessary evil to rid the world of what she saw as the inferior races and peoples

VonMisesJr| 1.19.12 @ 6:07PM

Case closed. Let's implement a sterilization policy for liberals.
Two generations and we can breed out the welfare state.

Seek| 1.19.12 @ 7:15PM

Plenty of conservatives go on welfare -- church welfare. And a lot of congregants get tired of subsidizing them.

skip| 1.20.12 @ 5:04PM

What do you seek?

The archives reveal it is not reason and experience, or intelligence and honesty.

Those receiving assistance by a church are held personally accountable by the consistory, who are held personally accountable by the congregation.

Those providing the assistance exercise their liberty do so voluntarily of their own free will. They are not coerced through tyranny to provide assistance against their free will.

Do you seek to be known as an idiot?

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 12:06PM

Hoffman is also keeping future criminals out of prison, keeping then from raping and murdering you chosen children, grand children and great grand children. And by keeping that special someone OUT of the Oval office, she might be stopping WWIII, another Iraq or Vietnam with a flick of a curette.

She might be saving more than 51 million lives.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 12:22PM

Thank you, Dr. Mengele.

Buck O| 1.19.12 @ 12:33PM

What a great justification for murder.

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 12:49PM

Thank you. IF disposing of non living tissue is murder.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 12:55PM

You make your "deposits" in ewes, so its no wonder you'd think so.

Again, thank you, Dr. Mengele.

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 11:04AM

Are you admitting to being a sheep Con?

Buck 0| 1.19.12 @ 1:24PM

NON-living tissue? Surely you jest.

Ted| 1.19.12 @ 5:38PM

@ fckewe: "Hoffman is also... keeping then from raping and murdering you chosen children, grand children and great grand children."

No. Wipe your glasses. The one keeping my family safe is me, with my M1911 in .45 ACP.

You need to realize that some of us live in Manworld. So fckewe.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 5:48PM

Sheep Banger obviously has sexual proclivities that don't carry the risk of "unintended pregnancy."

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 11:07AM

Well, gun nuts doesn't not equal manhood, although I bet you think the bigger the caliber, the more virile you are.

Teaghan| 1.19.12 @ 8:06AM

Too bad this murdering bitch's mother didn't head on down to her local PP. What a horrific woman.

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 12:07PM

Too bad YOUR mom didn't give your dad head that night, then she could have pooped you out the next morning.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 12:24PM

Your handle is appropriate. Ewe's must be your cup of tea, hence the reason you're not too concerned about abortion. When you screw sheep, I would imagine that unintended pregnancy isn't something you're worried about.

Occam's Tool| 1.19.12 @ 1:18PM

No doubt, Mr. Ewe is a kiwi.

P.Smith| 1.19.12 @ 8:07AM

I have come to the conclusion that the liberal in his heart hates all people at all stages of life; and if he can kill them he will, and he can make money doing it, so much the better.

Teaghan| 1.19.12 @ 8:16AM

Well, ya have to to save the planet.

Timothy L. Pennell| 1.19.12 @ 8:12AM

"I Had An Abortion".

"Abortion is as American as Apple Pie."

"The Unborn Child, as an annoying Interloper, DESERVES TO DIE."

That is the LEFT, speaking. Those are the words of the Democrat Party. The words of those who would Control our Access to Medical Care.

I wonder, at what point, would WE become 'Annoying Interlopers', in their eyes. I wonder when WE would become a LIABILITY, in their Grand Scheme, and DESERVING of Death? After all, if an Innocent Unborn Child, is seen by them as: "Not just an innocent life, but as a Liability, a Threat, and a Danger to the Mother and to the rest of the family"? What would a full grown Sick Person, be?

This is the Party of DEATH. Unless, of course, you are a MURDERER, or an ENEMY of this Country, Hellbent on our Destruction.

It's the Party of the Freaks and the Losers. The Party of the Homosexuals, Lesbians, and Transgenders. The party of Drug Addicts, Drug Dealers, Rapists and Murderers. (They want FELONS to be able to vote for them)

They're the Party of Sex Education for 3rd Graders. The Party that "Teaches" OUR CHILDREN the Joys of Anal Sex, Oral Sex, and Masturbation. Who "Teach" our 8 Year olds how to use a Condom, and how to feel about Homosexual Sex with an Older Man.

It's the Party that fights for the Right of a Teacher, to take Your Kid, for an Abortion, WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION.

It's the Party of Compassion, unless you are a CIA Interrogator, not long after 911, trying to extract information from the MASTERMIND of the Attack, in order to PREVENT another attack on this Country.

If you are in Guantanamo? The Democrats will will Represent you, Pro Bono. They will try and get you a Civilian Trial, in a Civilian Court. They will fight, til the end, to get you your Non-Existent Constitutional Rights. In fact, most of these Pro Bono Lawyers, can be found working in Eric Holder's "Blacks Only" Justice Department, right now.

If you're a U.S. Marine, and you Kill Civilians, in the heat of battle, just seconds after your Fellow Marine was CUT IN HALF by an IED? These Democrats will go after you, relentlessly.

If you're a group of Marines, Pissing on a pile of Dead Sh*t Stinking Taliban Scum? Then they've got you in their Cross Hairs.

This is the Party of Margaret Sanger. She is the Democrat's Patron Saint of Abortion, and an Vicious Racist, whose only reason for wanting Abortion, was to "Limit the growing numbers of N*GGERS and other MONGREL Races."

It's too bad they didn't have the Tee Shirt thing, back then. The Abortionists could have them, and they could have said:

I Just GAVE An Abortion. That's One Less N*gger We Gotta Deal With.

Like Apple Pie.

Real Men Love Jesus| 1.19.12 @ 9:56AM

Well stated. It amazes me how good people stay on the left (liberal). Even liberal churches exist that support this position, while teaching us God is love. Do they think He loves the mother more than her baby? At least the mother has a choice - her baby sure hasen't in our country.

Timothy L. Pennell| 1.19.12 @ 10:35AM

The Religious Left. Have you seen the stories, about the Religious Left?

There IS such a group, but it's like BIZZARO SUPERMAN. It kind of advocates doing whatever you want. Gay Marriage, Abortion, Prostitution, Pornography. They have the same 10 Commandments, except the Thou Shalt Nots, have all been replaced with; F*ck it. If it feels good? Do it? God'll forgive ya. And, if he doesn't? What good is he.

You can tell who their "Ministers" are. They're the one's on Television, quoting CHRIST, when the crowd wanted Mary of Magdalene, to be Stoned. "Let he who hath no Sin, cast the first stone." That is their Sword, when confronted with Criticism of their actions.

In their Bizzaro World, JESUS never said to Mary: "Now, go. And sin no more."

Liberal Church.

Oxy Moron.

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 12:38PM

YES! The true teachings of Christ, and they worked, not only for the murderers who did NOT stone Mary M, but for Mary herself. Try it sometime.

Eloise| 1.19.12 @ 11:13AM

Well stated?

Would Jesus use this kind of adolescent profanity to attempt to make a point?

You Jesus people sometimes seem as comman and coarse as dirt.

Occam's Tool| 1.19.12 @ 11:29AM

Actually, when one is dealing with people who support murdering babies, and fudge about WHAT TO DO WHEN A BABY IS ACCIDENTALLY BORN IN AN ABORTION CLINIC ---
("If you play the video (from 1996) above, you will see and hear a 35-second clip of a debate between former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) and Senator Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) on the subject of partial-birth abortion.

In an effort to pin down when, exactly, a rabidly “pro-choice” senator like Boxer would consent to give a human baby the constitutional right not to be killed, Santorum asks:

“You agree, once a child is born, is separated from the mother, that that child is protected by the Constitution and cannot be killed? Do you agree with that?”

Boxer responds:

“I think when you bring your baby home, when your baby is born … the baby belongs to your family and has all the rights.”') when one is dealing with these type of people, then, yes, a bit of fucking profanity is called for.

Nice job, Tim. Abortionists target minorities, and kill more Black babies by percentage than white. How racist are Lefties? Very, very, very.

And that's my answer to Paula from C&W treacle land, too.

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 12:43PM

Do you mean more blacks choose abortion? Because NO ONE is strapping people to tables and waterboarding them into choosing anything. BUT, unlike rabid FORCED PREGNANCY AND CHILDBIRTHERS, no pro choice provider chases women down the street screaming obsenities, vandalizes their cars and homes, assaults them or kills them for their CONSTITUTIONAL right to choose.
Right to choose people just ask "Are you sure you want to parent this baby?" and if the answer is YES! then the conversation is over.

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 12:51PM

Check your facts. Mine are from AbortionNO.org:

Who's having abortions (age)?
52% of women obtaining abortions in the U.S. are younger than 25: Women aged 20-24 obtain 32% of all abortions; Teenagers obtain 20% and girls under 15 account for 1.2%.

Who's having abortions (race)?
While white women obtain 60% of all abortions, their abortion rate is well below that of minority women. Black women are more than 3 times as likely as white women to have an abortion, and Hispanic women are roughly 2 times as likely.

Who's having abortions (marital status)?
64.4% of all abortions are performed on never-married women; Married women account for 18.4% of all abortions and divorced women obtain 9.4%.

Who's having abortions (religion)?
Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as "Born-again/Evangelical".

Who's having abortions (income)?
Women with family incomes less than $15,000 obtain 28.7% of all abortions; Women with family incomes between $15,000 and $29,999 obtain 19.5%; Women with family incomes between $30,000 and $59,999 obtain 38.0%; Women with family incomes over $60,000 obtain 13.8%.

The top 25% of WHITE women have the most unwanted fetuses removed from their genitalia.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 11:31AM

"You Jesus people..."

Geez, I'm not even a Christian, but this little gem is quite revealing about you. People swear & cuss. People are caustic in the way they write & speak. Somehow, I think G*d's more concerned about bigger things other than someone's foul mouth.

Margie| 1.19.12 @ 5:05PM

Really, you little twerp?
Is that why you screamed at me for calling an ass an ass not too long ago?

You proclaimed: Oh! TRUE COLORS.

You're such a flaming hypocrite and nothing but a punk and a TROLL.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 5:30PM

YAWN!

Suzy| 1.19.12 @ 8:14PM

I agree with you, Margie.

This Con Chef (NB) character is up to nothing but making mischief. He is vile to the bone.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 8:35PM

And I care what you think...

MikeG| 1.19.12 @ 10:20PM

Suzy? Suzy? Come on Margie,you can make up a better name than Suzy as a pretend supporter.

Timothy L. Pennell| 1.19.12 @ 11:35AM

I'm not JESUS, dumb*ss. I don't pretend to be. I don't even play JESUS, on television. But I do know it, when I see it.

Abortion is the MUTILATION of a Baby, in its' Mother's womb.

You can spin it, any way you want to. But, not even a Stupid B*tch, like you, can't change what it is.

"You JESUS people"

What a Country.

fckewe| 1.19.12 @ 12:46PM

NO spin. Babies cry, laugh, eat and poop and breath. If it is NOT doing those acts, it is just a scab, a snot bubble or at most a lump of solidifying tissue.

If you were right, women would NAME their miscarriages and plant them in the family plot with a ceremony and flowers.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 12:58PM

Too bad your own mom didn't do that with you. Yet she chose to grow the "scab" and "snot bubble" that you are to full term. Much to her chagrin, no doubt. Unfortunately, you never evolved from being a "snot bubble."

Occam's Tool| 1.19.12 @ 1:20PM

Ewe,

do you have a wife? Did she ever miscarry? Mine did. The last one she felt die. Asshole.

Drunken Sailor| 1.19.12 @ 2:24PM

Sorry for you and your wife's loss OT. My ex miscarried as well. 14 years later I still had no children to torture until I met my current wife and her two sons. I may not be their bioligical father but I believe after 12 years together I am closer to them than he is.

LD| 1.19.12 @ 4:16PM

***ewe: I DID have a miscarriage at 2 months, I felt her dying in my womb, and yes I DID name her - "Charitie" and planted a tree in her memory. She was a real child, living and growing inside me, and I still do love her. I grieved her loss just as I would grieve the loss of any of my other 4 BEAUTIFUL children!
You are an unfortunate, insensitive person who has so little respect for others, and for human life itself!
Just remember, YOU were once a crying, pooping, snotty, eating, "inconvenient", and yes, even laughing baby once; and before that a growing human being inside your mother's womb... Perhaps your mother should have murdered you from her womb? Thank God she did not! As ugly-spirited as you are, YOU were still a human being from the time of conception.

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 11:08AM

The Bible does state that Satan appears as a prophet. The antichrist appears as the savior, and Ronald Reagan # is still 666.

Paula frm Nashville| 1.19.12 @ 10:03AM

You are coarse and uneducated, Pennell. When you resort to violent and profane language, you reveal your less-than-average intelligence.

Your ugly posts make us all look bad.

Timothy L. Pennell| 1.19.12 @ 10:11AM

Violent Language? Are you kidding me? You're an ADVOCATE for Butchering Unborn Babies in their Mother's Womb.

That's Violence, where I come from. And, it's MURDER.

Now, why don't you run along and GFU? Cause it's a cinch, nobody else is doing it for ya.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 10:20AM

Gee, Tim. You're so "coarse." Stop being so mean to these poor little Sanger acolytes. These folks think we're Sparta, apparently.

Timothy L. Pennell| 1.19.12 @ 10:22AM

Sparta.

Nice.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 10:44AM

Of course, the Sparta analogy makes sense on more than just the abortion issue. If one were to compare Sparta to Athens in a modern context, Sparta would be like the Soviet Union & Athens would be like the US. The reason for Sparta's infanticide policy was that EVERY Spartan man, from the moment of his birth, was to serve THE STATE. Sparta was all about how each of its citizens could best serve the STATE.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 10:12AM

"Your ugly posts make us all look bad."

You & the rest of your eugenecist friends here do that just fine all by yourselves with your equivocations about "potential life" when that "potential life" has a heartbeat of its own. Just because he was "coarse" doesn't mean he's "uneducated" you wannabe intellectual snob.

Eloise M.| 1.19.12 @ 10:24AM

Paula, you're wasting your breath on these reactionaries.

Anna K. is the only poster with anything intelligent to say on the subject, and she says it so articulately.

Au Contraire| 1.19.12 @ 10:41AM

Anna K.'s post makes no sense to me. Self-awareness only develops around age two in humans. Long-term memory, later than that even. So by the criteria she's using, toddlers are not "people" either.

She just sounds like one of those people over-educated in useless subject matter, like "women's studies" or something.

PaulyD| 1.19.12 @ 2:07PM

I repeat the question I asked of Anna K to Eloise M:

Eloise, at what point in your mother's pregnancy could she have aborted you and not killed you?

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 11:10AM

Pauly, her mother not only wanted her, but could and did care for and educate her. Sorry you are jealous.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 10:50AM

Right. The only "intelligent" things said on this subject are those which support your murderous ideology. You're certainly no intellectual giant yourself, sister.

2Anglico| 1.19.12 @ 11:19AM

Yeah Eloise, Anna K is a smooth talker, like all con-artists. And who says anything Anna K spews is intelligent? You? Because you agree with her?
So, anything that is contrary to your worldview is unintelligent? How CLOSED MINDED of you!

Occam's Tool| 1.19.12 @ 11:50AM

Well, as an MD, and a decision making capacity expert, I think Anna is dead wrong. Unfortunately, so are the babies she condemns.

JmsA| 1.19.12 @ 10:33AM

No matter how tame, we all look bad to the scum left. The truth is not always pretty, and a forceful delivery with conviction drives the point home.

Teaghan| 1.19.12 @ 10:51AM

YOU call HIM coarse? Really? Take a look in the mirror gal. There is where you will see coarse.

jothepro| 1.19.12 @ 10:58AM

Hey Paula, Timothy's post's aren't ugly, but they do make YOU look bad..

2Anglico| 1.19.12 @ 11:14AM

Touche'

yy&uu;&meme;| 1.19.12 @ 11:17AM

Pennell and so many other posters on here rant and rave like skinheads at a NeoNazi rally. There's just a hint of fascism in these voices.

In fact, there are, undoubtedly, many fascists logged in to this blathering blog.

2Anglico| 1.19.12 @ 11:22AM

And yy, EXACTLY what facts are you trying to refute??? Or are you just here to call names? Nazis, lions, tigers and bears, OH MY!!

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 11:44AM

We're not the one's touting an ideology of eugenics born from the mind of some Nazi lauding bitch like Sanger.

Yes indeed, the "facists" here are those supporting abortion. And they are, no doubt, Obama supporters. Obama has done more to make this nation facist than anyone could ever imagine. Gov't. owned car companies? Yep. Dictating to Catholic hospitals that they MUST provide abortion services? Check. Nationalization of the student loan business? Roger that.

Learn what facism is, little regressive. Its an ideology born from progressive/statist/leftist minds. Its NOT a right wing construct. If you were as "enlightened" as you regressives claim to be, you'd know that. Then again, if you were as "educated" as you claim to be, you wouldn't be a regressive in the first place.

Boar Hunter| 1.19.12 @ 4:46PM

Please do not deign to include others by using "us" when you speak only on behalf of those profane and vulgar individuals with whom you have cast your lot.

Abdiel| 1.19.12 @ 8:29AM

What a despicable, heartless woman. It's hard to believe there a person like this, doing what she does. She's simply evil.

Melvin| 1.19.12 @ 8:36AM

And they said that Doctor Josef Mengele was a butcher. Herr Mengele was mild compared to this woman.

Kingofthenet| 1.19.12 @ 5:27PM

AH, Godwin's law rears it's head.

numbatdog| 1.19.12 @ 8:47AM

A country that accepts abortion on demand has sown the seeds of the ultimate destruction of their original culture. Look at the Western European countries which have provided abortion on demand decades before the USA. They are all in negative growth rates and need to continuously import third world workers (and their foreign cultures) to survive. As the imported workers don't subscribe to Western hedonistic persuit over family duties, they have many children. It's simply a matter of time till the country bears no resemblance to its ancestral past. This may be good or bad but it's a fact that this is where the USA is headed.

Occam's Tool| 1.19.12 @ 11:32AM

Mr. Dog:

You are not one. You are right on the money---the foreign culture the Europeans import is, of course, Islamofascism. And when 50 year old pot smoking fat hippies run into 20 year old violent fanatics, the outcome isn't good for the hippies. Or us.

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 11:15AM

AND it's about time! The inbred Royalty of Europe has devastated human evolution far too long. The absolute political corruption of Church ruled Economies have proven to be failure entoto.

Europe wants to solve it's debt problem. Skin the gilding off the domes and ceilings of the churches and trade it for US Bonds. Sell the art to Mitt Romney and his friends so they can lend it to art galleries for a fat tax deduction.

Is our KKK, WASP, antisemetic, racist past such a WONDERFUL thing to preserve?

POST American| 1.19.12 @ 8:52AM

"---Are people in the West realizing yet?
MOST of them walking around --certainly
MOST of their children, if they even have
children, are, already, technically extinct?"

We understand, among those in the know,
it's termed 'X---stink't'.

------------------------------One for the 'IT's'.

AGAIN

----------------HUAC/ Nuremberg 2012---------------

-------whenever you're ready!

tadcf| 1.19.12 @ 8:57AM

Anti-abortion is just a religious position.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 9:20AM

Right. Then this statement by the woman about whom this article is written doesn't provide for at least a MORAL argument that abortion is the extinguishing a life:

Hoffman bluntly acknowledged that abortion involves killing an unborn child: "In the beginning [pro-lifers] were calling it a baby. We were saying it was only blood and tissue. Let's agree this is a life form, a potential life; you're terminating it. You don't have to argue that abortion stops a beating heart. It does."

No one likes to see war. Yet people die in them. And people protest against them. Why? Because some people are morally opposed to the taking of life on such a drastic scale. And I would bet that most of the leftists who protest wars don't do so out of any strong connection to G*d. They just don't think killing is right in that instance.

Given the quote by Ms. Hoffman I cited, you can take G*d COMPLETELY out of the argument & STILL make the case that being "anti-abortion" may not have jack to do with religion an all, but one's personal feelings.

Maybe you need some critical thinking exercises.

Nina| 1.19.12 @ 9:23AM

Sounds like the more they try to justify it, the more they are trying to cover their real feelings of having had one. She can try all she wants to, say it's out of love for your family (huh?), whatever else she can come up with, it's a simple fact that she is condoning murder. She said it...it's a live, viable, beating heart baby....
What makes me sad are the poor women who have listened to people like her, who have real regrets of having had an abortion because they saw no other choice, who were perhaps coerced ito having one by BF or parents, and now have to live with the decision they made. I have a daughter who has a drug addiction and I recenly found out she may have had an abortion years ago which would give me the answer as to why she turned to drugs....I just wish she would tell me so we can stop the insanity. How many others out there are like her? Trying to numb the pain of a decision they now feel was the wrong one?
As for the Butcher of Philly, all those pro abortionists should be tried with him, they knew what he was up to and didn't stop him!

Fredx| 1.19.12 @ 9:44AM

If abortion is so liberating, so filled with "relief"and "joy," why don't we share the wealth and make it compulsory for everyone? Not only will we be gloriously happy, but ALL of our problems will be solved within a hundred years!

Teaghan| 1.19.12 @ 10:52AM

That just may happen under obama and his angel of death, Kathleen Sebilius.

Frank Drackman | 1.19.12 @ 9:45AM

Don't wanta be the Turd in the Punchbowl here but.....
If it wasn't for Roe v Wade there'd be like 50 million more Black Peoples in the USA.
Thats like a million extra per State, and can you imagine 1,000,000 extra Black Peoples in Vermont? They'd have to cut down all the Maple Trees just to print enough lottery tickets...

Frank

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 9:52AM

HUH?!

Occam's Tool| 1.19.12 @ 11:34AM

I think Frank is exercising Satire....(I hope).

Margaret Sanger| 1.19.12 @ 1:21PM

Satire? What satire?

Elias| 1.19.12 @ 4:43PM

No satire. It's true. If not for Roe v Wade, algore would have defeated W in 2000.

Most parents who abort their children are libs. Most kids grow up to think and act like their parents. Ergo, most aborted kids would grow up to be liberal and 27 years after Roe v Wade enough of those otherwise aborted kids would have been of voting age and would have swung the 2000 election in favor of algore.

Libs kill off their own voters by abortion. However, the nanny state seems to indoctrinate plenty of Annas/Ritas/Eloises to replace them.

jothepro| 1.19.12 @ 11:00AM

Come on Frank..

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 11:18AM

Funny, but not true. Most abortions are chosen by unpper middle class white women (who no doubt like riding the gardener bareback and don't want to lose the privilege of being married to a RED party Corporate 1%er)

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 9:51AM

"What becomes of the surplus of human life? It is either, 1st. destroyed by infanticide, as among the Chinese and Lacedemonians; or 2d. it is stifled or starved, as among other nations whose population is commensurate to its food; or 3d. it is consumed by wars and endemic diseases; or 4th. it overflows, by emigration, to places where a surplus of food is attainable."...James Madison, 1791

Abortion is the willfull ending of another life. Its wrong. Period. As someone who's relatively young (33), I can remember when I was in high school that EVERYONE knew you could go to the nurse's office & get free condoms.

Then there's the pill, which TONS of girls I went to school with were on. And it wasn't just because they were out screwing everyone. Not all of them were. Not even a majority, I'd hazard to guess. The MAIN reason women of high school age & above take birth control is to help regulate their monthly misery.

Taking both of these factors into account, one would think that there'd be a precipitous drop in the rates of abortions. There haven't been, however. People like the eugenecist in this article, Frau Hoffman, still tout abortion as just another form of birth control. And they are disgusting.

However, fellow pro-lifers, just remember one thing. EVERY time Tim Tebow is on TV doing ANYTHING, he is a living example of what a blessing from G*d chosing life really is. And the eugenecists & regressives HATE him for it. And I think its freaking hilarious listening to them become apoplectic with rage when you mention THAT fact about him, in addition to his strong faith in G*d.

Frank Drackman | 1.19.12 @ 9:56AM

Hey, and I'm a Tebow fan.
But if he'd ended up on the inside of a suction canister there'd have been somebody else throwing bad passes for the Broncos.
Might even have had a cool name, like Tyrone Sklyer Pennypacker.
And sometimes Abortion gets rid of bad Eggs(literally), just think howmany Charles Manson III's aren't around.

Frank "keep Abortion Safe, Legal, and Practiced predominantly by minorities" Drackman

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 10:17AM

Thank you for your eugenics dissertation as well, Mr. Dreck Man.

Frank Drackman | 1.19.12 @ 10:34AM

When the Surpreme Court gives you Geno-cide, make Geno-cide-ade...

Drunken Sailor| 1.19.12 @ 10:03AM

"'I just had my tits done or had a bikini wax,' but not had an abortion."

This statement is a perfect example of how Pro-Choice views abortion. Just another cosmetic procedure. Pathetic.

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 12:14PM

More than HALF the school districts in America FIRE nurses who even discuss sex with students in schools.

I also LOVE Tebow, and respect his beliefs. I also know that if a Robin Givens wants to use him to build a TV career like she did with Mike Tyson, he's not much more protected than Mike.

somnolence| 1.19.12 @ 10:32AM

I have a better solution, one which requires a thought process and taking responsibility. Use rubbers or a sperm barrier and use them properly to avoid the prospect of abortion/infanticide in the first place. God gave us the knowledge so use the knowledge properly.

Frank Drackman | 1.19.12 @ 10:38AM

Rubbers Break
Sperm "Barriers"?
The average E-jaculate contains some 250,000,000 determined Sperms.
Thats like 25x the number off Ill-Legal(at Bushwood) Aliens who crash through the Ill-Legal Alien Barriers on the Rio Grande.
Fetuses are easier to see, and much less determined.

Frank

Frank Drackman | 1.19.12 @ 10:38AM

seriously, you ever tried to get a fetus to cut your lawn??

somnolence| 1.19.12 @ 10:44AM

Frank, those procedures work without fail if properly implemented. The excuses you give are just that, excuses. They have never failed me in 31 years of marriage.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 10:53AM

Same here. I haven't been married as long as you have, but my wife & I aren't ready to have a child. And she takes birth control. Before that, it was condoms. The number of instances where these measures fail is miniscule. And to cite those instances is nothing more than a cop out.

Occam's Tool| 1.19.12 @ 1:21PM

You write much more mature than 33, Con.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 2:51PM

Thanks, Brother! I had a great teacher. My Mom was an English teacher for 35 years at the middle school, high school & college levels (ESL). My Mom is a graduate of a pretty tough & brainy all girls Catholic high school AND college from back in the day (she was born in '48) & has a masters in curriculum & instruction from University of Memphis.

I also naturally took to writing, history & lit more than I did crunching numbers. My Dad majored in history before he went to dental school. Learning to write correctly & effectively wasn't really an option for me growing up. It was basically "learn or die."

Again, I count myself lucky that its something that I've always LIKED to do from the beginning. My Mom gets all the credit, as do the pretty good teachers I had in school (yes, public, believe it or not).

Thank you for your compliments, Occam. I respect you a great deal & they mean a lot coming from you.

W| 1.19.12 @ 5:29PM

ConChef
Very good pedigree.You do your parents proud. Italian and Jewish, can't beat that combo.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 5:34PM

Thank you, Brother!

Margie| 1.19.12 @ 5:09PM

He's a VILE little PUNK.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 5:32PM

And you're a bigoted bitch.

Suzy| 1.19.12 @ 8:18PM

And you, Con Chef, are an incivil oaf.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 8:43PM

So who's asking YOU, busybody? Margie is an anti Catholic bigot & a pompous, self righteous harpy. I don't treat bigots well. They deserve nothing but derision from me. And they certainly deserve no respect, therefore they get NONE. Cry me a river if you think me coarse or uncouth. I could give a rat's tuchus what you or your Catholic hating, Jew hating buddy Margie the Harpy think of me.

Margie| 1.19.12 @ 9:03PM

I am thrilled that God will throw your lying little punk butt into Hell.

Unless you repent, little man.
Rev. 21:8.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 10:23PM

What? Did He tell you that today, apostate bigot? Wonder what He thinks about bigots like you who wrap their fetid hatred in His word...

MikeG| 1.19.12 @ 10:22PM

Suzy exists only in Margie's imagination.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 10:24PM

Its her alter ego. Margie's off her haladol.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 10:50PM

Like the word "vile" in the posts, along with the Idiotics dialect of English that Margie is so prone to as exemplified by the word "incivil."

Can someone show me where the word "incivil" is in any dictionary? I don't have my Rosetta Stone Idiotics language program handy.

Margie| 1.19.12 @ 11:16PM

Con Artist Chef: You're lying again. "Suzy" isn't me.
And.. telling the truth about the cult of Catholicsm.. since it is a cult and doesn't preach the Gospel of Christ, isn't bigotry.

You think you're cool here by calling me a bigot.. I don't care.
I love God and His Word, and as a Bible believing Christian, I HATE false Religion just as He does.

And it has nothing to do with individuals who happen to be Catholic. (Except the vile nasty Trolls who post here).. they get what they deserve from me because they're disgusting liars.

But my family are Catholic, I know what it teaches, and I don't hate my own family.. they know where I stand~~ and that is on Scripture.

If you cared enough to do your own homework~ which you said you don't~ you'd find out that it's a cult and not in accordance with then Word of God.

But.. you're a rebel against His Son, so the easy thing for you to do is lie, and slander with NO BASIS IN FACT.

Which proves what you are~ insincere and unbelieving.

Your "choice", as you say, but a sad one.

"All who the Father gives to Me shall
come to Me, and the one coming to Me I
will not cast out, not ever, for I have come down out of Heaven, not that I should do My will, but the will of Him who sent Me.

And this is the will of the Father sending
Me, that of all that He has given Me, I
shall not lose any of it, but shall raise it up
in the last day." Jn. 6:37-39.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.20.12 @ 1:53AM

I'm Jewish, dipshit. That's why I don't accept Christ. And neither does any other Jew. Spare me your supposed "love" for individual Catholics. YOUR interperetation of the Bible is no more the final say than their's or mine. You are a pompous, self righteous harpy who veils her bigotry under a thin veneer of piety. In other words, you're a charlatan. Go cash your unemployment check I so graciously contributed to.

As for the "homework" you think I should be doing, I'd no more read ANY site that YOU would reccomend than I would one from Jackboot or Herr KKKlint about Jews. You even told me that the days of Torquemada weren't over, so with that statement, I'll take NOTHING you say seriously.

Add to that your vitriolic denegration of ANYONE (even Protestants) of anyone who disagrees with YOUR particular denomination's interpretation of the Bible. You always tell them they're "liars," "scum," "reprobates," "trolls" etc. So they're all wrong & you're the only one who's right? HA! That's just as laughable & preposterous as YOU are.

Big smooches, bigot! Have a great night.

W| 1.20.12 @ 8:17AM

YAWN, another day, more bigotry from the MullahMargie who has no life except hate and bigotry.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Con Chef (NB) | 1.20.12 @ 8:54AM

Same stuff, different day. What else is new? Now, apparently, since I don't believe in G*d the way Margie does, then I don't believe in him at all. Who knew? I'm sure that's news to G*d.

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 12:16PM

you're MOM teach you that?

Con Chef (NB) | 1.20.12 @ 2:21PM

No, but she taught me the difference between "your" & "you're." What's your excuse, Sheep Banger?

skip| 1.20.12 @ 4:01PM

"I am a 1%er, in Mensa."
(ovinesodomizer 1.16.12 @ 2:00PM)

The Bruce| 1.19.12 @ 10:50AM

Ever notice that the so-called "good work" that Planned Parenthood does occurs mainly in black neighborhoods (or what the Fabian Socialists used to refer to as the "useless eaters")?

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 10:56AM

Given Sanger's hatred for blacks, its not at all surprising. Not in the least.

Teaghan| 1.19.12 @ 10:57AM

Ahhh, but the leftists will never see that. This is "a woman's right to choose".
I think, while instead of a lesson on the constitution in highschool, the young heads full of mush, should have to watch an abortion being performed at 12 wks, 26 weeks and then obamas crowning glory, a partial birth abortion. Make them sit and watch it and lets see if it makes abortion rates go down. Hell, let's take up to Capital Hill and make our public servants watch it as well and extend an invitation to the members of the Supreme Court.
Would it make a difference?

fckewe| 1.20.12 @ 12:18PM

Because he majority of women who GET abortions, live in Westchester or the Hills and have their own doctors, who will gladly collect the insurance and then bill medicare for it.

Peppermint Tea| 1.19.12 @ 11:10AM

Since Roe v. Wade, the Baby Boom generation has reduced the number of children by approximately 1 per family. This is the demographic change that is crippling Social Security and will destroy it. Abortions do have societal consequences. Read about it in "The Great Depression Checklist."

somnolence| 1.19.12 @ 11:12AM

Before we met with a minister 31 years ago, my wife(then fiancee) and I told him that we were not going to have children after giving it much thought. His response was that God "gives us knowledge of the cycle". I have never forgotten that.

Terry from Chicago| 1.19.12 @ 11:53AM

Anna, Paula, et al....

You are arguing semantics, typical tactic when losing an argument. I have a simple question for you and your ilk. When does the fetus/baby become a person -- the exact time? Tell me what overt action causes this to occur......

That's what I thought. You cannot. The overt action is conception, at which time the development of the fetus/baby continues on its own in the "safe" cacoon of it.

Teaghan| 1.19.12 @ 1:30PM

crickets chirping........

Skip| 1.19.12 @ 11:56AM

Yes, a deplorable act that the Palistinians would have us consider is a "state's right".

Like slavery, huh??

When do state's rights trump HUMAN rights, in a Paulistinian weltanschauung???

cicero| 1.19.12 @ 11:58AM

Anna K - Sorry I got into this so late, but does that mean that Granny, who lost her memory, is not a person, and can be snuffed with no regrets? After all, it would make life easier for the family. And by the way, that sonogram of the impending grandchild showing the litter grifter finding its thumb sufficiently to stuff it into its mouth. Does that count as "self-awareness"? However, if we are just into personal convenience, I suggest that when we deal with self-sufficiency, we consider tha possibility that we be able to get rid of the little darlings anytime up until they turn 18 years old. I think that comports with your definition of personhood.

Michael| 1.23.12 @ 2:56PM

cicero, your moniker ill becomes you. It is a fact that grandma being a viable human being for some years is a protected being. It is a fact that a pregnant woman can choose to end that pregnancy during a certain period of time. It is a fact that "partial birth abortion" is rare and practiced after consultation with specific medical personnel for the life of the mother. Most husbands, of course, prefer the child. After all, women are readily available to be mothers.

And if you have any learning you will know that viability depends upon lung development and c0rtex development. See grandma stick her finger in her mouth. Cortex development enables one to recognize legal equalities of citizenship. Some exhibit signs of delayed development.

fmm| 1.19.12 @ 12:04PM

Juxtaposition of the comments "Let's agree this is a life form, a potential life; you're terminating it. You don't have to argue that abortion stops a beating heart. It does." with "With my choice I was fighting for the right of all women to define abortion as an act of love: love for the family one already has, and just as important, love for oneself." shows how much of a monster this woman is. Nothing is more sacred to monsters than self.

cowgirl| 1.19.12 @ 12:17PM

People in this country are terrified of China taking over the world. People seemed to have this belief that China was going to destroy the US and the world. China is a Paper Tiger and their biggest problem is not population explosion, but strife within their own country and abortion is the reason for the strife and will be the reason for China's total downfall.

Let me share with everyone on this blog this unbelieveable story that I heard yesterday. Straight from the “horse’s mouth”. I volunteer at a Pregnancy Crisis Center on a weekly basis. We have a new volunteer at the center. She is from China and 8 months pregnant. She and her husband came to the United States a few months ago because her young son needed medical care that could not be found in China – I did not ask about the medical procedure. While here in the US she became pregnant. Her husband and her were able to stay here and avoid going back to China because if she did, the Chinese government would force her to abort her unborn child. She needs to have a c-section on February 17 because her womb is messed up from the previous 4 abortions that the Chinese government forced upon her and her husband. She has been pregnant six times and four of her unborn children have been forced aborted by the Chinese government. Brutal. She told us of her friend who already had a son and became pregnant again. She and her husband tried to keep the pregnancy a secret so that they could have a second child. A friend of hers ratted her out to the Chinese government. The government secret police broke into her house forced her on the ground and stuck a needle in her forcing an abortion in the middle of her living room in front of her husband and young child.

The Chinese government has a huge problem on their hands. It is called – “their people”. They would have to fight the internal war before they could take over the world. I can’t even imagine how much the Chinese people hate their government and their one-child policy.

This policy in China has led to an over population of men (this issue exists in many Asian countries who practice the one-child policy like China), who will never marry and settle down. One of the most monostrous outcomes of this one-child policy has been the huge growth of sex-slavery. There are over 27 million women/girls enslaved in sex trafficking and brothels. Why? Because there are not enough women due the 173 million girl babies abort over the past 40 years throughout the world - including the United States. The US has financed many of these abortions. Many, many men in this world will never have the opportunity to marry and have children. When men marry and have children they have reasons not to fight in wars, join gangs and committ crimes. God had a plan when he created man/woman and it is a plan that works. The man-made plan of aborting unborn children, gay marriage, transgender, and all the other distorted sexual and social models that man tries in complete disobedience to God's plans never work. JUST LOOK AROUND YOU! It is everywhere and IT IS NOT WORKING.

Kingofthenet| 1.19.12 @ 5:17PM

Would you prefer these Billions of additional Chienese to STARVE after being born like in Africa. Why didn't you ask this women why she didn't use Birth Control, I hear it's pretty effective.

cowgirl| 1.20.12 @ 11:33AM

Spelling - Chienese? Right.

Maybe if the CHINESE government got out of people's personal lives they would be able to making a decent living and support their families and make decisions about how many children they will have. Same goes for Africa and the same will go for the United States as long as Comrade Obama is in office.

Margaret Sanger| 1.19.12 @ 12:38PM

All you "pro-life" trolls are full of it. Abortion is the best tool I ever found to implement my program to save humanity from itself, more commonly known as "eugenics." Society, to survive, must eliminate inferior sub-human species such as the dark races, thereby saving the planet for the superior white race to enjoy. Do you really think it's an accident that a disproportionate number of aborted "fetuses" are black and brown? It's not, so now all you bleeding heart "pro-lifers" can go suck an egg.

Woodrow Wilson| 1.19.12 @ 12:44PM

Hear, hear, Margaret.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 12:59PM

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Well done, Margaret!

Adolf Eichmann| 1.19.12 @ 2:04PM

Well said Margaret! Remember that eugenics article I submitted to your magazine back in the 1930's? I deeply appreciate the opportunity to make my case for the Master Race. Responses from leading minds of the day were quite favorable. So when did it all start to fall apart?

SATAN| 1.19.12 @ 5:35PM

What in hell!

How'd all you miserable worthless talking monkey's way down in the lower circles get access to a computer and the internet? That's not even allowed in the first circle!

Adolf! Josef! Mao! I want answers and I want them now! Get your poo-flinging roadkilled carcasses over here! Teddy! Get off them! You can only do that with Nancy, and she's not here yet, I've told you and told you that! For that not only will you have to wait for Nancy, but Barry too! I'm going to have him provide a nonstop narrative of you two in his 'the great orator' cadence...

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 5:43PM

This is one of the best satirical strings I've seen on this site in a LOOONG time! I can barely stop laughing! WELL DONE, y'all!

Adolf Eichmann| 1.19.12 @ 8:25PM

Sorry boss. I'll get back to swimming in boiling pig poop now...

SATAN| 1.19.12 @ 9:23PM

NOT so fast...

From where do you think 'the anointed muslim' will be providing all the nonstop narration?

Get back over there with Hermann, Heinrich, and Reinhard. Don't let 'the austrian corporal' join in, he'd enjoy it and this isn't fantasy island...

Come to think of it, that uber-liberal-ridiculously-mustachioed-not-much-of-a-secret-of-a-queer-of-a-tyrant has enjoyed everything I've thrown at him. The only two talking monkeys in history to actually be so delusional as to write an autobiography having accomplished absolutely nothing in their young lives are 'the austrian corporal' and 'the anointed muslim'...

At least I've got time to think up something that uber-liberal-ridiculously-jug-eared-chin-jutting-not-much-of-a-secret-of-a-queer-of-a-tyrant might not enjoy, if he's the doppelganger to the other one I damn well know he is...

Holy damnation! I've GOT to figure out a way out of here, these wretched pathetic miserable vocalizing despicable primates are driving me insane!

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 10:29PM

Really, y'all are killing me!

Shannon| 1.19.12 @ 1:40PM

Newt said it right when he stated its not politically correct to state the true facts, but here they are. I am a 56 year old white male. I have seen the destruction of our country with welfare and other entitlement programs used by generations of families, not as a safety net, but as a way of living from cradle to grave. That's wrong.
The black family is way out of control. In NYC alone, 60% of pregnant black women have abortions. The kids who make it out alive, 75% of them are born out of wedlock, meaning 75% of them have fathers that are not around and do not care. And its not just the black families. White and Latinos are right behind. Results are welfare, food stamps, free clothing, medical, etc. etc. And those children go out and do the same thing. We all pay and no one cares. I'm having a hard enough time raising my own family let alone everyone else.
No one wants to take responsibility for their own actions. Women want freedom of choice. OK, how about making that choice before the bedroom seen and not afterwords. Take a little responsibility. Have a headache rather than giving us all one.
Its too late to turn back the clock. Its a runaway train that is going to fast for anyone to stop. It all started with JFK and LBJ with their entitlements.
I feel sorry for anyone becoming a President.
Unless you pay into it, no more entitlement programs. Its not and should not be free.
All these Democrats who think that throwing money at the situation is going to help. Really?
Has it helped over 50 year?

Kingofthenet| 1.19.12 @ 5:12PM

You don't want to pay for welfare and want to outlaw abortion, so what are we going to do with those MILLIONS of unwanted Black babies? Can you be any more inconsistant, you should be encoraging EVERY not married Black women to have an abortion, to save money on welfare.

don| 1.19.12 @ 1:51PM

Would it be un-Christian of me to tell Ms Hoffman to her face that I wish her mother had exercised her abortion rights on her?

LD| 1.19.12 @ 3:58PM

Don, it would be un-Christian to wish that, BUT it would not be un-Christian to remind her Miss Hoffman that her mother apparently did not consider pregnancy, or children, an inconvenience or a threat to her womanhood. Otherwise, Miss Hoffman would not have existed.
God bless you. :)

Pete| 1.19.12 @ 2:17PM

The feminists vitriol again Sarah Palin for having her son Trig confirmed to me just how prevalent abortion is. All of them would have aborted Trig as soon as they found out he had a genetic defect. They know it is inhumane, so rather than internalize their own acts, the lash out against the person who did not abort her child. Its psychology 101.

Kingofthenet| 1.19.12 @ 7:00PM

Yeah because KNOWINGLY producing Mental Defectives and genetic abominations is so humane.

Nick| 1.19.12 @ 7:39PM

How very Himmler-like of you, Kook!

George S| 1.19.12 @ 2:08PM

I learned something today. From Anna K I learned that a hamster or a rat or a chicken is human because they all possess "consciousness," "self-awareness," and "memory". So my chicken salad is not a lunch special but a crime scene.

The only logical step is then to ascribe human qualities to the definition of murder so that animals are excluded from the definition of life as a prerequisite to murder. Now it gets interesting. What is, then, a developing fetus? A giraffe?

Thank goodness the wise men of the Supreme Court settled this for us by declaring a human is only a human on the calendar date of the beginning of the second trimester. Just what exactly happens in that magic time span of... one second? God playing? Yesiree indeed.

Then again, notice how the plight of a snail darter or a spotted owl is deemed holy enough to deprive a person of his private property or his liberty?

Brian| 1.19.12 @ 2:47PM

Remember , Bushs Grandmother co-founded Planned Parenthood. Which explains why Bush and the Republicans Doubled PP funding.

Ormond Otvos| 1.19.12 @ 3:07PM

My millions of unused sperm cry out for freedom!

A woman who smokes and drinks MAY BE HARMING an unknown fetus!

What to do with this confusing life, full of hard decisions!

cicero| 1.19.12 @ 3:27PM

Late again. Just got back from court. But...Appleby, that poem brought a lump to my throat, and the beginning of a tear tomy eye. I shall hug my little darlings a bit tighter next time their parents (my big darlings) bring them for a visit, and I shall sit quietly in the dark this evening, and thank God that mine are all safe and well. I weep when I think of all the women who bought into the left's siren song of convenience, and who now sit alone, with no memory of their darlings clinging to their knees, or spreading wet kisses on their tired, radiant faces. Such a memory would compare favorably to the ones of freedom to do whatever seemed more important at the time. So sad. . .

cicero| 1.19.12 @ 3:27PM

Late again. Just got back from court. But...Appleby, that poem brought a lump to my throat, and the beginning of a tear tomy eye. I shall hug my little darlings a bit tighter next time their parents (my big darlings) bring them for a visit, and I shall sit quietly in the dark this evening, and thank God that mine are all safe and well. I weep when I think of all the women who bought into the left's siren song of convenience, and who now sit alone, with no memory of their darlings clinging to their knees, or spreading wet kisses on their tired, radiant faces. Such a memory would compare favorably to the ones of freedom to do whatever seemed more important at the time. So sad. . .

cicero| 1.19.12 @ 3:28PM

Late again. Just got back from court. But...Appleby, that poem brought a lump to my throat, and the beginning of a tear tomy eye. I shall hug my little darlings a bit tighter next time their parents (my big darlings) bring them for a visit, and I shall sit quietly in the dark this evening, and thank God that mine are all safe and well. I weep when I think of all the women who bought into the left's siren song of convenience, and who now sit alone, with no memory of their darlings clinging to their knees, or spreading wet kisses on their tired, radiant faces. Such a memory would compare favorably to the ones of freedom to do whatever seemed more important at the time. So sad. . .

LD| 1.19.12 @ 3:47PM

I had an abortion, 30 years ago. I still REGRET it. If I hadn't done it my 29 year old child might be a doctor or teacher or scientist, or PROUD parent of my grandchildren.
Abortion at any point of pregnancy is simply this: MURDER.
"In those [the last] days, good will be called evil, and evil will be called good." (the Bible) ...And so, here we are...

Nick| 1.19.12 @ 3:57PM

I'm sorry you had to endure this tragedy, LD.
May God Bless you.
His forgiveness is infinite.

Drunken Sailor| 1.19.12 @ 4:17PM

LD,
You remind me of a friend of mine. Even though I disagreed with he choice, I sat by her side. Years later she told me it was a mistake that she would always regret. I feel the same way about going there with her but I did learn from it as you seem to have.
Sorry for your difficult tragic choice. We can not change our past, just learn to cope, ask for forgiveness and strive to do right. May you find peace.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 4:28PM

G*d knows your heart & just by you sharing this with us is proof enough of your regret. G*d bless you, ma'am. It takes guts to share something like that.

Kingofthenet| 1.19.12 @ 5:02PM

No matter how many women are willing to subjugate their bodies to the state, in deference to a non-existent God, I will NOT allow you to be second class citizens. I will support your CHOICE 100% to have or not have a medical procedure. If you don't like abortion, fine don't have one.Guess what I don't particularly like abortions, and find them at best, unfortunate. But I will NEVER, EVER for ANY reason allow the state to control the inner workings of my male body, so I couldn't in good conscense allow them to mess with yours. I want you Pro-Lifers to thing about something, your position isn't that your being forced to have abortions, all you want to do is deny OTHERS that option. When it comes to rights in this case it's a Zero-Sum game, every 'protection' you give to the fetus, takes away one from the women.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 5:15PM

You aren't gonna be carrying another life in your body, so your argument is specious, at best. You wanna support infanticide & eugenics with YOUR tax dollars, that's fine. Don't use mine.

Kingofthenet| 1.19.12 @ 5:20PM

Absolutely Abortions shouldn't be paid for with tax dollars unless it's for Rape, incest or the life of the mother, I agree.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 5:37PM

Ooh-rah! I toast you, sir. It nice to find common ground with someone with whom you don't always agree.

Margie| 1.19.12 @ 9:05PM

Abortions should not only not be paid for in the cases of rape or incest by the Gov., but they shouldn't be performed at all.

WHO ARE YOU TO PLAY GOD OVER THE LIFE OF A CHILD??

Con Chef (NB) | 1.19.12 @ 10:33PM

Good, Margie. Tell me how you'd feel if, G*d forbid someone raped a younger female member of YOUR family. Forget what YOU think for a moment. YOU are not the one who would have to carry the seed of such a heinous act to term. In an instance such as that, it should be the victim's decision.

Margie| 1.19.12 @ 11:04PM

How would I feel if someone raped a member of my family?
HORRIFIED. But I would still encourage her with everything within me to keep the baby, because the baby belongs to God, and the Scripture says no one has authority over the day of death but Him. Ecc. 8:8.

Because God sees every little life as His, and as utterly precious.

You may not believe this because you don't trust me but I'll tell it to you anyway.
I personally knew a Christian woman who had been raped twice, and kept the children on both occasions. She was a single woman and our fellowship took her in and helped her with her needs. One of the brothers in the Lord there chose to love and Marry her and they not only raised the girl and boy she had as a victim of rape, but they had a baby girl of their own.

I used to babysit for them, and was in that fellowship for a whole decade, that's how I know.

God loves the babies of rape and incest just as much as He loves any other baby.

I know it's hard for the World to see it that way, but we as God's creation as human beings which He created in His Image are supposed to look at things through His Eyes.

Only by the Grace of God and the Lord Jesus Christ are we able to do this.

That's why Christians can say, thanks be to God, like the Apostle Paul.. that He saves us by His Grace and opens our spiritual eyes so we are able to see things how He sees them.

Fallen mankind, which is what we all are without His Grace. is only able to see things from a strictly human point of view.

Nick| 1.19.12 @ 11:19PM

Sorry, Con Chef (NB), but I'm with Margie, on this one.

Human life begins at conception. The baby created as a result of rape or incest is still innocent. He did nothing wrong.

This is a poor analogy, but, it might help. If you and I were in business together, and I embezzled a million dollars from the business, this would not give you the right to burn the business to the ground, to collect the insurance, in order to get your money back. Both acts are criminal and wrong.

Abortion can never be justified for any reason.
G-d Bless!

Con Chef (NB) | 1.20.12 @ 2:04AM

Brother Nick, I respect your opinion, but we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one. I don't doubt G*d's love for the child, regardless of the method of conception. However in an i.stance as heinous & dispicable as rape, can you not see how that child could becone a constant reminder to the victim of what happened to her? And while taking your own life is certainly the coward's way out, in MY book, people have dined on a bullet for a whole lot less.

Sorry, Brother, but this is an instance where I think thete should be some leeway. Just how I see it.

skip| 1.20.12 @ 1:53PM

Navy Brat (retired),

There has to be a foundation to base behavior on.

That foundation had better consist of flawless logic.

In the final analysis, a thought or action must be right or it must be wrong. Morality must be absolute, not relative.

The baby conceived by incest or rape is innocent, has done nothing wrong, is not guilty of anything.

The act of the incest or the rape will be a reminder of the incest or the rape, regardless of the existence of the baby.

The bearer of the baby can put the baby up for adoption, is not required to raise the baby.

Before and during the act of incest or rape, the victim had the opportunity to prepare for and to attempt self defense to the best of their ability.

When Moses received the commandments that included "thou shalt not kill", the acts of incest and rape were not unknown at that time in history, yet the commandment received was not "thou shalt not kill except where conception occurred due to incest or rape".

The necessity of absolute morality, absolute right from wrong, flawlessly logical, is that as soon as relativity is introduced it establishes the precedent for even more relativity, which will always be defined by a human or humans, and be inherently arbitrary, such as punishing an individual by 'legally' ending his unalienable right to life because of the actions of other individuals and not his own actions, until eventually, for instance, it is possible that for the good of the 'collective', those believing in something that is unpopular, such as a particular religious belief, are exterminated in, say, gas ovens.

The baby conceived by an act of incest or rape may, for instance, live to discover a sustainable process that cures cancer inexpensively, provide sustainable clean inexpensive energy, or provide sustainable nutritous inexpensive food from previously unsustainable infertile land using little water.

All men are created equal by their Creator and endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights including life. There are no exceptions. All is all.

The Almighty Creator is the one who determines right from wrong, not humans. Thank God His logic is flawless in this determination, otherwise we might be living in a nightmare of a world where a bunch of emotionally prattling idiots devoid of reason and experience unintelligently and dishonestly attempt to determine what is right from wrong, such as, for instance, idiotic graduate students from myopic academic institutions with an abominable lack of integrity.

Con Chef (NB) | 1.20.12 @ 2:32PM

TRUST me, I UNDERSTAND what you're saying & I don't disagree at all with your point. And between you & Nick, you have me thinking harder about my position. However, its still something that, when I try to put myself in a rape victim's shoes (yes, I know that's hard because I'm a man), I can see how some victims who aren't as strong as others would do themselves & therefore their child, harm.

I also realize that there are TONS of people in this country who want to have children & can't. I would agree that childern concieved out of rape or incest could be put up for adoption.

I realize that G*d's Law is inflexible on this. I would just pray that whoever that victim is who becomes pregnant by such vile & heinous means would have a strong network of family, friends & a church or synagogue or SOMEWHERE to go for support.

Nick| 1.20.12 @ 5:43PM

Con Chef (NB),

I can't add anything to what Skip and yourself have already said. Adoption is the answer for the victims of these crimes, if they can't live with the reminder of how their children were conceived.

I'm glad that you are thinking harder (and I'm sure praying harder, also) about this question. G-d shows all of us His Truth, when we ask earnestly and in humility.
Keep asking!
G-d Bless!

Con Chef (NB) | 1.20.12 @ 6:18PM

G*d bless you as well, Brother Nick!

Margie| 1.21.12 @ 11:51PM

And MURDER is SIN, whether committed by Papists and their minions as they Murdered Bible believing Christians for six centuries by torture and death for standing on Scripture, or by mothers killing their babies.
Murder is Murder, and God throws Murderers into Hell.
Unless they repent before they die.
And anyone who is a "brother" to them is a brother to them that destroy. Prov. 18:9.

"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death." Rev. 21:8.

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Margie| 1.21.12 @ 11:47PM

"Sorry, Brother, but this is an instance where I think thete should be some leeway. Just how I see it."

Well, you aren't God, little twit.
You don't get to make that call.
He does, He's God.
Punk.

Michael| 1.23.12 @ 3:05PM

Margie, many humans are glad that you do have the right to make decisions for them. You may know that you live in a secular nation, governed by law and not by Margie. There are female citizens who use their conscience to guide an action that is necessary to them. Neither you, Margie, nor the sperm donor or any other man can claim a superior right. And, by the way, the number of Christians is declining not only in America but in the world at large. Your way of thinking may be a reason. Or it may be due to improved education.

skip| 1.19.12 @ 5:51PM

Does this mean you will not tolerate Obamacare?

After all, Obamacare will decide what, if anything, will be done medically to any and every part of your body.

Or is this more of your continuous emotional prattle, lacking a shred of any reason and experience, lacking a shred of any intelligence and honesty, without a shred of integrity, just like every other comment you've posted, as the typical liberal you are?

Kingofthenet| 1.19.12 @ 5:59PM

I have Private insurance and as far as I know I don't see losing it. I look at ObamaCare as a FLOOR, you Conservatives somehow like the CEILING. No matter if i lose my job, or become homeless I can count on some basic care, if I have a job or Money I can have Private Insurance or Pay Cash for better stuff. Believe you me, ANYWHERE that has nation Health Care has a THRIVING industry in Private Medical Care, for the impatient.

The Obama Timeline | 1.19.12 @ 6:55PM

You are incredibly naive. ObamaCare's intention is to drive private insurers out of business so that the government will be the sole provider.

Kingofthenet| 1.19.12 @ 6:58PM

Name one Country were that has happened INCLUDING the UK?

skip| 1.19.12 @ 7:43PM

"Believe you me, ANYWHERE that has nation Health Care has a THRIVING industry in Private Medical Care, for the impatient."
(Kingoftheidiots 1.19.12 @ 5:59PM)

"The Premier of Canada's east coast province is undergoing heart surgery in the United States this week because the treatment he is seeking was not available in his home province."
(Huffington Post 2.2.10)

""A former NHS director died after waiting for nine months for an operation-- at her own hospital," London's Daily Mail reports: . . . her appointments to go under the knife were cancelled four times . . . "
(Wall Street Journal 4.1.11)

In response to calling you out on a comment you posted that is nothing more than emotional prattle, that lacks even a shred of any reason and experience, that lacks even a shred of any intelligence, that lacks even a shred of any honesty, that, when you get down to it, lacks even a shred of integrity, you respond by posting a reply that is nothing more than emotional prattle, that lacks even a shred of any reason and experience, that lacks even a shred of intelligence, that lacks even a shred of any honesty, that, when you get down to it, lacks even a shred of integrity.

And no regular readers are surprised at all.

Michael| 1.23.12 @ 12:43PM

Skip, do you know that Medicare will continue; that insurance plans will be offered to members of Congress and other Federal employees as is now the case? That corp0rations will continue to offer group plans to attract and keep employees as well as to enjoy the tax benefits? You are so much like a reed that you can be bent over with naught but a breath from a lobbyist. Shame.

skip| 1.23.12 @ 1:14PM

Your shamefully stupid and dishonest emotional prattle devoid of reason and experience ignores the reality that the architects themselves don't have a clue: "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it."

Michael| 1.23.12 @ 3:09PM

skip, you do not use your mind at all effectively. For example, one person made the statement you indicate. But the legislation was passed by a majority of legislators, each of whom was elected by a majority of his/her fellows. You are being used by others for a profit. Not your profit-theirs.
What does it feel like, to wake up each day knowing that you have been used? By the way, do you pay for the "fun" of being used?

skip| 1.23.12 @ 5:25PM

Your shamefully unintelligent and dishonest emotional prattle devoid of reason and experience has been useful as documentation of how words are used by some from among all men who would establish tyranny rather than liberty for all men.

Mike M| 1.19.12 @ 5:33PM

Well, there is an appointment everyone will have with our maker.
I hope these types like Ms. Sanger, et al, are ready.

Gary| 1.19.12 @ 6:53PM

A real gem, this harpy, glorying in the killing of a baby. Why stop before birth? In either the case the justifications are the same. If there is a Hell these people merit a special place there.

The Obama Timeline | 1.19.12 @ 6:54PM

Sanger also once referred to blacks as "human weeds," and wrote, "The most merciful thing that a large family can do to one of its infants is to kill it."

jmulcahy| 1.20.12 @ 1:15AM

Sanger sound just like Kingofthenet:

Kingofthenet| 1.19.12 @ 5:12PM
You don't want to pay for welfare and want to outlaw abortion, so what are we going to do with those MILLIONS of unwanted Black babies? Can you be any more inconsistant, you should be encoraging EVERY not married Black women to have an abortion, to save money on welfare.

All American American| 1.19.12 @ 6:58PM

I told a buddy of mine that if abortion is allowed to go unfettered that within 20 years or so a woman will be able to "abort" her born child up to 12 months of age. He told me I was crazy. I said and in 1973 if someone said in 30 years you could birth your kid up to about 2 inches then insert a knife in his head, make a hole and suck out his brains they woulda called YOU crazy then.

He was quiet and walked away.

Look how the pro-deathers lable the unborn child just in this thread. They use "clinical" terms, or say stuff like "it" has not conscience or memory or personality. They are "parasites" within the woman's body, feeding off it. Doesn't a little baby also "feed" off of his mother, if the mother chooses to breast-feed?

Its this Nazi-esque need to dehumanize this little baby so as to what, make it easier to kill it? My guess is it will extend to not only babies but also old people and the mentally retarded.

(As I'm typing this my beautiful 2 y/o daughter climbed up on the seat of my chair behind me, grabbed my hair and started kissing my ear. Its sad that the pro-deathers would voluntarily destroy an innocent life that can bring so much joy in the littlest gestures)

Michael| 1.23.12 @ 12:46PM

Tell us, Triple A, what your text book tells you about lung development and life? Tell us what you know about cerebral cortexes and their connection of life as you know it. Then tell us of your success in counting chicks before any hatched---the source of your wealth?

POST American| 1.19.12 @ 8:39PM

---------------------FINAL WORD------------------------

"---As American as apple pie"---?

Well, American pie as funded and baked
by Rockefeller EUGENICS certainly.

---------------HUAC/ Nuremberg 2012----------------

albert constantine jr.| 1.19.12 @ 11:24PM

More than 400 postings on a blog with hardly a mention of Ron Paul. I have been proud throughout the day to read the barrage of posts against the acolyte trolls of "Anna K of Emory U" in support of the unborn, and I can think of little to add. God bless the AMSPEC bloggers (though if blessings are in short supply, I would recommend skipping any who prefer romantic involvement with sheep).

Kingofthenet| 1.20.12 @ 12:16AM

Good thing all you holier than thou Pro-Lifers aren't Lions or Rabbits. You know what the FIRST thing a male lion does when he finds a female with cubs? and mother Rabbits will EAT thier babies if food is tight or they get stressed.

Nick| 1.20.12 @ 12:52AM

KooK,

Contrary to what you liberals want to believe, human beings are not animals. We are the high-point of Creation. Mere animals are not our equals. So, your comparison is sophomoric.

Liberals like to compare man to the animals in order to justify their beastly lusts.

Michael| 1.21.12 @ 7:40PM

The interesting thing to note is this: America believes in the rule of law. America believes in equality of citizenship. Women have a vote; a conscience; the ability to become pregnant (albeit not without a sperm donor); the legal right to exercise their conscience in eliminating a pregnancy that is not their choice. Females who are not old enough to vote, but who have become pregnant as a consequence of rape or incest, can choose to abort the fetus. And as a result of our belief in law above the whim of a Texan, we know that a fetus must be viable in order to claim personhood and equal protection of the law.

Nick| 1.21.12 @ 11:29PM

Michael,

Read all of my comments in this thread, about this subject, and get back to me, okay?

Michael| 1.23.12 @ 12:57PM

Nick, can you indicate the place in this nation's laws that provide protection if the being in question is not a "person"? Can you name a warrior chieftan who counted the unborn as fighters in planning to claim Europe? You are an example of a human being who, being a man, must control all others. But a woman is your equal in every form covered by the term "citizen". And has control over a function that involves you for a moment or two only while involving her for months. If you believe in either law or science, you will go to your room and pray instead of using your religion as a club.

Nick| 1.23.12 @ 3:33PM

Michael,

Can you post a reply that isn't filled with straw men and cop-outs? Or, did you just not read my previous comments on this subject?

I haven't used my religion to defend the scientific fact that human biological life begins at conception. I have dealt only with the science.

My religion (I'm a Catholic, by the way,) states that all innocent human beings are entitled to their lives, and that no one may justly end an innocent human life.

It is science that tells us human biological life begins at conception. Again, read my comments in this thread and attempt to counter the arguments contained within them. You only need to read my replies to Anna K. from Emory U. and KooK of the Net in order to see your many, many errors. I really don't feel like typing it all, again.

But, to answer your first question, have you ever heard of the Endangered Species Act? I also believe that all the states in the Union have laws that prevent cruelty to animals. Which you could probably be prosecuted for, if you ever performed a partial-birth abortion on a dog or cat.

Such is the world we live in, where animals and animal fetuses have more protection under the law, than do human fetuses (Latin for unborn babies.)

Besides, there are many bleeding heart liberals who are pro-abort/pro-choice who also believe Roe v. Wade, et al, was terrible law:

http://www.sfexaminer.com/blog.....e-decision

Are all of these lefties now to be considered right-wing extremists who treat "women as second-class citizens"? Or, are they to be dismissed as just plain stupid, as most knee-jerk reactionary liberals, such as yourself, do to those who are Pro-Life?

skip| 1.20.12 @ 8:13PM

" . . . in deference to a non-existent God . . ."
(Kingoftheidiots 1.19.12 @ 5:02PM)

Damn good thing you have integrity, and above all you strive for intelligence and honesty, based on reason and experience alone, because you detest emotional prattle so.

Otherwise, you would be forced to consider that The Creator, Who will judge each and every person with respect to their faith, and their love and hope, using as the basis their thoughts and actions, not only created each and every person, but everything else as well, including lions and rabbits.

Nothing to fear here, lions being so majestic and noble, rabbits being so cute and cuddly, and The Creator being so impotent and, well, non-existent.

merlin| 1.20.12 @ 3:41AM

Do any of you pro-abortionist support capital punishment?

Con Chef (NB) | 1.20.12 @ 3:59PM

A criminal has a choice to commit a crime or not. What choice does an unborn child have? You people never tire of trotting out this insipid comparison, do you?

"Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity."...Bullet Tooth Tony, "Snatch"

Michael| 1.21.12 @ 7:42PM

Law in America protects a person. A fetus prior to viability is not a person. MS is, surprisingly, able to understand that. Why is it so difficult for a con chef?

Michael| 1.23.12 @ 1:00PM

Can we understand that a person can be subject to capital punishment. But a fetus is not a "person" as defined in law or science. Conservatives who do not use their brains are counterproductive as thinkers and citizens.

Betina| 1.20.12 @ 5:49AM

Oh look Ma. Another left wing loud mouthed Jewish liberal supporting death and the communist way. What a shock!

Con Chef (NB) | 1.20.12 @ 4:00PM

What's being Jewish got to do with it? You DO know that there are conservative Jews, do you not?

Betina| 1.20.12 @ 7:25PM

Yeah. Problem is we don't hear enough from them. The religious Jews are the best. The rest are communist/Marxist using their veneer of "Jewishness" to shut up the opposition and hide behind. They have been destroying this culture since the beginning of the twentieth century. And guess what? The religious Jews I know couldn't agree MORE. I did mention left wing Jews didn't I? Or do you have a problem reading and understanding the written word?

Margie| 1.20.12 @ 8:05PM

You are no Jew, you're an asshole.

max_kain| 1.20.12 @ 11:49AM

I think that one of the biggest problems that the left refuses to address is the propensity for irresponsible people to have unprotected sex and then treat abortion like a form of birth control and then use the "keep the government out of my body" arguement. There are adoption services and people that have been waiting to adopt kids for years, some of these folks are even willing to pay the medical bills for the birth mother, planned parenthood doesn't tell folks about that much, do they? No money in it.

Two things that I see are this: doctors have shown that as early as second trimester these babies (no, I won't dehumanize them by calling them merely "fetus") are laughing, angry, crying, and moving of their own volition. Animals do these things at the very least and liberal throw a fit when they're euthanized.

There are new reports of people who had botched abortions, one in Florida that I remember clearly, where the mother describes how the baby convulsed in agony when they injected the placenta with (I think) highly concentrated saline, burning it's skin and eyes (think acid here). Then when she did abort, how the baby was still alive and set on a cold metal table to expire instead of being given medical care that was required by state law. The "mother" herself wrapped her child and held it for 45 minutes while it expired.

Another thing that I see are the 10 planks of the Communist party, one of which is the corruption of a generation. Well, we have that. How can you say that a generation is anything but corrupt when they would so casually contemplate the murder of a child? If we would kill an innocent in the womb, what else would we do, euthanize the elderly, the disabled, those with Down's or other birth defects? Who will be the next victim of the left because it's unwanted or too expensive, wrapped in plastic and dumped in the trash, incinerated with no marker, or kept in a jar of formaldehyde on someone's desk like some sick trophy?

Michael| 1.21.12 @ 7:47PM

One must have a wide range of experience in order to determine who is irresponsible and why. In those churches wherein women are regarded as chattel, and pregnancies are regular events, and contraceptives are forbidden as against the Will of God, irresponsible is a common word. As a note for consideration, lung development and cerebral cortex development are necessary for viability. Those requirements are not met at the point of a normal birth. There are groups headed by individuals who make a good living from presenting untruths to the gullible.

Rockerbabe| 1.20.12 @ 4:57PM

Women are not chattel property and none of the posters on this website are my boss. I am entitled to decide if, when, under what circumstance and how often I have kids or not. It is NONE of the business of any government entity, the church or anyone else other than my doctor or family, with regard to any pregnancy or not that I might or might not have. The government, not of them cares two cents about the women of this country; never had and most likely, never will. We are only the 51% of the population that keeps things going. We are treated with disrespect by the political class, employers and men in general.

Anyway, all this talk about abortion and women is moot. Most women in this country have cellphone, a passport, credit cards, debit cards, cash, iPad, computers and internet access. We all know how to bing and google with the best of any male citizen, so finding what we want, when we want it, and making the necessary arrangements is not all that difficult.

Abortion has been with human kind since the dawn of time, it was very prevalent prior to Roe v Wade and will be with us for centuries to come. Thousands of women died every year from illegal abortions and the effort to limit fertility; especially married women. The anti-woman crowd just needs to get over this obscession with the fetus; a fetus NONE of you will ever have to be responsible for or have to risk your own health and life for. So, get a gripe. . .your opinions on the matter of abortion simply do not matter. If they did, all this clinic protesting, murdering doctors, legal crap and fake outrage on this and other websites would have made substantial changes in the way women choose to manage their own reproductive capabilities. Alas, it has not, and most likely never will. As I have said, women are not property, you aren't our bosses and we are not slaves to someone else's beliefs and convictions.

All of you need to grow up and start showing some respect for other folks, who do not belief, speak or act as you might.

Nick| 1.20.12 @ 7:04PM

Hey, feminazi, proof-read your typo-filled comment next time, got it?

Rockerbabe| 1.21.12 @ 11:53PM

Is that the best you can do? Don't worry about my typing skills, they are the least of your problems. Your inability to articulate something other than the innane comments says more about you than my lack of typing skills does about me.

Nick| 1.22.12 @ 1:13AM

Wanna' bet?
Go read my comments in this thread.
I'll wait, with baited breath, your, um, insights.

skip| 1.20.12 @ 10:07PM

"I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born"

Ronald Wilson Reagan
(New York Times 9.22.80)

Michael| 1.21.12 @ 7:49PM

What did he think about contraceptives when he learned that Miss Nancy had a bun in the oven? did he blame her? do you believe that Ron wrote that line himself?

skip| 1.21.12 @ 10:26PM

What does your emotional prattle devoid of reason and experience have to do with the intelligence and honesty of the statement Ronald Wilson Reagan made, that each and every abortion supporter has already been born?

Michael| 1.23.12 @ 1:05PM

Each and every rapist as well as each and every pedophile has already been born as well. Each and every serial adulterer has already been born. The Bible has something to say about each of those. Do the religious observe those laws? Actually, Skip, you find no fault with RR's behavior, nor his indifference to the equality of women as citizens. Shame.

skip| 1.23.12 @ 1:27PM

What does your shamefully unintelligent and dishonest emotional prattle devoid of any reason and experience, such as your belief in the equality of all men, the equality of all men allowing some from among all equal men to shamefully prevent the existence of others from among all equal men, have to do with the intelligent and honest reason and experience devoid of emotional prattle evident in the statement made by Ronald Wilson Reagan, that exposes your unintelligent and dishonest shameful belief that is emotional prattle devoid of reason and experience?

Michael| 1.23.12 @ 3:13PM

skip, if your caretaker is near, please ask for water for your meds. You mention "men" repeatedly. Do you not know that "women" are the means used by "men" to become rulers of the playground? Your role in life is to be a reliable sperm donor. Nothing more.

skip| 1.23.12 @ 5:26PM

What does this comment consisting of nothing more than shamefully unintelligent and dishonest emotional prattle devoid of reason and experience have to do with the intelligence and honesty based on reason and experience devoid of emotional prattle evident in the statement made by Ronald Wilson Reagan?

Richard Baker| 1.20.12 @ 6:58PM

Dr. Mengele has spoken.

POST American| 1.20.12 @ 10:20PM

-----------------BOTTOMLESS LINE-------------------

"Understand, USURY --is--DEVIANT economy."

And 'A--bore--shun cult-your' is Rockefeller
apple pie.

-----------------------WISE UP-------------------------

-------------------------FAST!---------------------------

Petronius| 1.23.12 @ 2:17AM

I seldom opine on this issue, as I consider any person who wantonly takes the life of another human being to be absolutely uncivilized, and that any and all of that bent should never reproduce in any case.

Michael| 1.23.12 @ 1:09PM

Perhaps you understand the concepts "law", "science" and "person". Perhaps not. An American woman, by an act of conscience equal in every way to yours, can choose to end a pregnancy if done within a time frame established by law and science. The act belongs to that person, to none other. Or do you choose to think that women are second class citizens, subject to control by men?

M. Simon | 1.24.12 @ 5:01AM

Let me see: abortion is killing future Democrats (mostly) and Republicans want it stopped. Brilliant.

Nick| 1.24.12 @ 11:14AM

Immorally cynical, M. Simon.
Besides, no one has a political affiliation in the womb.
Your statement is moronic.

RonL| 1.26.12 @ 2:51PM

Abortion is as American as apple pie.

Al Capone, the Green River Killer, and Timothy McVeigh all agreed that killing is acceptable, too.

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