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The Obama Watch
The Obama-Axelrod Class-Warfare Machine
Obama strategist David Axelrod set his sights on capitalist pig Mitt Romney long before Newt Gingrich did.
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In the late 1940s, Harry Canter actually worked with Obama’s mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, at the communist publication, the Chicago Star. The Star was run by Davis, who was its editor-in-chief. These men were not only class-warfare specialists, but heartily believed what they preached. They were true believers.
My point isn’t that David Axelrod and Barack Obama are closet members of Communist Party USA. The point is that the class-warfare they parrot so naturally is in the marrow of their political bones and ancestry.
If Mitt Romney gets the 2012 GOP nomination, prepare yourself for a season of class warfare in America unlike anything our generation has ever heard. You’ll need to go back to the Cold War for rhetoric like this — to Chicago in the 1940s.
And if you thought the Occupy movement was worked up last fall, you haven’t seen nothing yet. If Romney is the GOP nominee, the Occupiers will go absolutely bananas this coming fall, especially if prodded by Team Obama. Wall Street might literally burn this time. The rich are going to be demonized in a frighteningly shameless way by professional agitators.
Before, Obama’s pals simply wanted the Occupy-istas to rise up against Republicans in Congress. This time, they’ll be battling for Obama’s political life — for nothing less than the revolution itself. It could get really ugly.
With Barack Obama at the helm, and David Axelrod charting the course against Mitt Romney, this nation is about to set sail into a poisonous sea of class envy and hatred. “Bain” Capital will be “Bane” Capital, as in evil. “Venture capital” will be “vulture capital.”
This November’s election might boil down to a fundamental debate between the merits of markets vs. central planning and wealth redistribution; at the least, that’s where the rhetoric is taking us.
If I were advising Mitt Romney, I’d tell him to bone up not only on the good he did at Bain Capital — explaining to Americans what venture capital is, and why someone with such economic experience is arguably perfect for the White House right now — but on Hayek, Friedman, Hazlitt, Mises, Laffer, and, most of all, Marx. He might Google the word “agitprop,” since he will be precisely such a target. And if Romney does this right, he has chance not only to win Americans’ vote but to educate them about the wondrous free-market system that has made their nation the greatest marvel in human history — and which they won’t learn about from Obama and Axelrod.
About the Author
Paul Kengor is professor of political science and executive director of The Center for Vision & Values at Grove City College. He is author of the new book The Communist: Frank Marshall Davis, The Untold Story of Barack Obama’s Mentor. His other books include The Crusader: Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism and Dupes: How America’s Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century.
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Clint| 1.13.12 @ 6:23AM
King Of Bain.
http://www.webcasts.com/kingofbain/
This Ain't Bean Bag.
Jack in Wi.| 1.13.12 @ 7:08AM
Clint: Bain Capital is one of the owners of Clear Channel. Do you have any doubt that they are behind the assault by talk radio bobble heads against Ron Paul and the pushing forward such un-electable turkeys as Newt and Rick Santoum? The good news is that the ratings of both Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh have collapsed one third in the last 3 months. They are both Judas Goats for the elites and are the reason we are stuck with Willard as the presumptive nominee.
Zogby, the pollster, has just said that Ron Paul has a long shot at beating Romney in South Carolina. If that happens I predict right now that Ron will be the nominee. Either way we have the organization , on ground support, and money to carry this all the way to the convention. we also have the program and candidate to save this country from collapse. It is Ron Paul or ruin.
jothepro| 1.13.12 @ 8:01AM
Jackwi and Clint,
Do you guys ever get tired of looking down on people who don't agree with you. I believe we ought to skip over your disingenuous posts..
Clint| 1.13.12 @ 10:18PM
Apparently, joetheprophylactic you've been used by Mittens on The RINO- CINO's.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is In South Carolina.
Clint| 1.14.12 @ 3:27AM
Mittens' Campaign Money Trail.
Goldman Sachs $367,200
Credit Suisse Group $203,750
Morgan Stanley $199,800
HIG Capital $186,500
Barclays $157,750
Kirkland & Ellis $132,100
Bank of America $126,500
PriceWaterhouseCoopers $118,250
EMC Corp $117,300
JPMorgan Chase & Co $112,250
The Villages $97,500
Vivint Inc $80,750
Marriott International $79,837
Sullivan & Cromwell $79,250
Bain Capital $74,500
UBS AG $73,750
Wells Fargo $61,500
Blackstone Group $59,800
Citigroup Inc $57,050
Bain & Co $52,500
The Tea Party Rebellion Is In South Carolina.
MikeG| 1.14.12 @ 10:36PM
Clint, you are as crazy as Margie. Are you two related.
MikeG| 1.14.12 @ 10:37PM
Clint, why did your boy Ron Paul chicken out of the debate tonite in SC, How can the tea party rebellion be in SC if Paul is afraid to go there.
Dave | 1.13.12 @ 11:00AM
If this primary battle were a book in progress, I'd call the publisher and run a new title by him: "Shots From The Cave"
Introduction:
"Centuries ago in a not too distant past, who among the peaceful Eloi would have ever imagined having to choose a leader to defend the community from the evil Morlock Obama from among a tiny group of volunteers who seemed to be losing their inner civility, and acting more like Morlock hordes as they are observed mimicking the hideous practice of ... "eating their own?"
Meanwhile, deeper inside the caves, the fretful citizens grow restless, some worried, while others become resigned to what seems to be laying before them. As designated Eloi speak-out in an attempt to calm the children and elders, the small community's village idiot slowly begins his daily babble: GO THIRD PARTY, RON!"
Epilogue:
In the end, the village idiot may ultimately have his babbles breach the light of day, but the Eloi and their masses knew in their hearts that such a breach would cause the final collapse of the community, while assuring the tyrannic oppression of Morlock Obama and his plundering hordes.
The End?
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 1.13.12 @ 6:23AM
If Obama and Axlerod try it the strategy will backfire as the public observes the jobs created at Staples. It also leaves the Obama business model fair game.
The Obama bailout of GM has taxpayers on the hook for 54 billion. Over 784 billion was wasted on the Obama stimulus which was nothing but a slick money laundering scheme.
Romney should tell them to bring it on .
In the meantime with friends like Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry who needs enemies?
Jack in Wi.| 1.13.12 @ 7:17AM
Hussain-Stalin: We all knew that Romney would be a sitting duck for Obama. He makes Obama look like a man of peace with all his chicken hawk calls for endless wars. He is a bailout crony capitalist, bankster, and will be a punching bag for Obama and his attack machine. At least now we can see how he will handle it. Gingrich and his rabid zionist handlers want to give Romney a clear idea of what is in store for him if he ever goes off the reservaton The trouble with that is the neocon reservation is un-electable. The people are sick of wars and warmongers. If a Republican is to win, he has to sound a lot more like Ron Paul then Mitt Romney.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 9:22AM
Bain didn't create the jobs at Staples. They helped start Staples - the customers of Staples and the management of Staples created the jobs long after Bain was gone.
W| 1.13.12 @ 10:43AM
Purp
Using your analysis that the customers and management of a company creates jobs, can you now explain how your hero Obama created 3 million (or was it 3 billion) jobs?
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 12:19PM
He saved auto workers and suppliers jobs almost directly, which amounted to 1.5 million jobs and provided financial support to those out of work to help customers have cash to spend to keep businesses going and hiring new employees = jobs.
See how simple it is. Not so, Parasite Capitalist Romney. His shenanigans lost thousands of people there jobs, while he got rich. He's a parasite. Parasite Flip-Flopper Romney vs. Successful President Obama ... the choice is simple.
RICHARD| 1.13.12 @ 12:32PM
Good God, Purp. Can't you see that you are twisting the same argument to suit the Dems if you want or to condemn the Repubs as you want. Geez, learn to think and get rid of your ideological blinders.
W| 1.13.12 @ 3:20PM
Purp
You are right. It is simple to a simple mind like yours and the rest of the lefties. All the government has to do is take our tax money and give it to an inefficient company like GM to keep the UAW members working so they can vote for Obama. Wow, I missed that class in economics. Just keep taking tax money and give it to others. What is that called again Purp? Maybe Socialism, Maybe Crony Capitalism? Maybe "Spreading the wealth around?"
Still working as a "consultant" to a Fortune 10 company with this type of economic "thinking?"
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 4:43PM
Naw, not really.... it's called "saving a critical American industry" and so President Obama did. the Auto companies paid back their loans and in short order the government's stake will be sold reaping profits for the American people. That's called Capitalism. The takeover by the government was temporary. Had the industry really been "Nationalized", socialism it would be. But that didn't happen here, and you know it. This was not the same as Chavez nationalizing the oil industry in Venezuela and you know that too. You know you're arguments are strictly anti-Obama, probably ideological, but most certainly parroted from Rush or some other loudmouth. I expected better from you.
Oh, and ya, still working for Fortune 10 as a consultant, and still in the top 2% of earners... Just like Warren Buffet - I may belong to my class, but that doesn't mean I think I'm any more special than others. I care about others and the less fortunate - what about you?
Goldwater girl| 1.13.12 @ 5:27PM
No, I am not joking asshole. It was govt interference in the housing market that caused the bubble that eventually burst. Pressuring banks to write loans to people that were a poor risk fueled the bubble. When it crashed, these losers had no problem walking away from homes that were worth far less than what they owed. And TARP has only postponed and prolonged the process of recovery.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 8:03PM
Like I said, parroting what you heard elsewhere. Only the right wing blames the housing market for the crash. The housing market was a symptom, not the cause of the crash - if you don't know that, you're just parroting what you've heard.
Have you ever heard of financial instruments? CDOs and CDSs? Wall Street? Moral Hazard? Ratings Agencies? All of this is well documented for the unlazy that care to know the real truth of what happened. H*, there are even movies about it. Go learn something.
chuck| 1.14.12 @ 9:23AM
I think Michael Moore made a movie. Now there's a real good source for impartial information. Or was it Oliver Stone?
Purp| 1.14.12 @ 11:13AM
chuckie - NOT Michael Moore ... something less ideological might teach everyone something Fixed News won't .. Of course, reading a book would be helpful, if you aren't too lazy.
W| 1.13.12 @ 8:32PM
Purp
I own the company you work for and will start at quarterback this week for either the Packers or Niners but haven't decided yet.
Purp| 1.14.12 @ 11:11AM
W - I highly doubt your 1.00 share will carry much weight... hahahaha
AVCurmudgeon| 1.16.12 @ 4:56PM
So, the government becomes a player in financing companies that are going under and that's capitalism and that's good ... but not when Bain or other private sector venture capitalist firms do it. Got it.
And when our government's stake in GM is sold it will probably be at a loss. At last look, it was about $26B in the red.
And just so you know, in fact the automobile companies have not paid back their loans, and there is no immediate prospect that they will.
As for "temporary", in my lifetime I have never known the government to involve itself in anything temporarily.
Nancy in NC| 1.13.12 @ 3:29PM
The difference is Bain used their money...not taxpayers for their venture.
GM should have gone into bankruptcy and restructured. Why do they get "saved" by the taxpayers? If you're too big to fail, you're just to big or you have a lousy business plan...or both.
I think someone is calling you, Purp, over at HuffPo.. Maybe they can agree with your crazy rhetoric.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 4:48PM
Go back and read Alexander Hamilton, if you want to know why the Auto companies needed saving. If you understood American Industrial Policy, none of you would ask such dumb questions or make such ridiculous statements. You are simply touting your party's line, which is not practical nor pragmatic, but dogmatic. You really don't know why "too big to fail is too big" , it just sounds good on a bumper sticker. Recall, it was Republican GW Bush and Goldman Sachs former CEO Henry Paulsen that passed the TARP bill - Republican! OMG - were they deranged? And, Bernanke is a Republican and saved Freddie and Fannie, AIG and others - OMG he's deranged too? Yep, they're all wrong and your ideology is right, isn't it. Sad to be so beholden to a belief that really has little basis in fact ...
Timothy L. Pennell| 1.13.12 @ 6:38PM
Perhaps you'd like to quote what the Constitution has to say, about a Government takeover of an American Company.
Let me help you.
It's right after the Right to an Abortion, and just before where it says: Separation of Church and State.
We'll just wait, til you find it.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 8:13PM
Show me where Harry Truman has the right to replace steel mill workers with the Army? Show me where Ronald Reagan has the right to fire Air Traffic Controller protected by the NLRB. Show me where GW Bush has the right to suspend habeas corpus unilaterally. Show me where there are ANY signing statements allowed by a President (GW Bush signed 700 of them). As soon as you tell me where in the Constitution it says the Internet is free, TV bandwidth is to be licensed, the Interstate Highway System is legal, compelling States to comply as well as the Transcontinental Railroad. Show me where the Marshall Plan after WWII is legal or the Lend-Lease Act right before WWII.
Show me where the Dept of Homeland Security is in the Constitution or the Medicare Drug Benefit or the President can unilaterally decide to go to war without a Congressional Declaration of War (and all of them do that)
You seem to pick and choose what you like and what you don't. The Constitution is a framework, not a Gospel. If you read about the Constitution's beginnings you would realize that neither Conservatives nor Liberals got their way - but the Founders struck a balance, balance of power with checks and balances, for both sides to get something and both sides lost something.
You can go on and on and on .. your point is meaningless. But show me where any of the above are written into the Constitution. Oh, let me add one - a Corporation is a person. Can you PLEASE find that one for us, Chuckles?
W| 1.13.12 @ 8:41PM
Purp
There you go again
1. Truman had no right to seize the mills as the Supreme Court ruled.
2. the controllers were legally fired because they were not allowed to strike and were fired for an illegal strike. They were not covered by the NLRB, and even if they were the firings would have been legal.
3. Bush never suspended habeas corpus unilaterally, he followed the Patriot Act ,passed by Congress, voted by Hillary. You may be thinking of Obama killing terrorrists with the drones? Lincoln did suspend unilaterally habeas corpus.
4. Signing statements are not in the constitution but a president can explain with the statement why he is signing and what he thinks the law measn. Courts use congressions records/debates to determine the intent of a law when it is not clear. Bush was smart enought to add his statements for the courts to use. Obama has followed Bush's practice. Bush 41 also did.
This is too easy, come on Purp, sharpen up.
Purp| 1.14.12 @ 11:29AM
W - as usual with you righties - you pick and choose, but never confront the real truth, only what you can handle. Never mind Climate change science - it's an issue to debate. Really? Never mind Evolution science - it's an issue to debate. Really? Never mind the world is round - is that still an issue to debate?
And on, and on and on.
1. And, yet, he did.
2. The President did fire them legally, but can do so no more. Reagan hurt the workers in this country and the middle class has been shrinking ever since. I'm glad he's dead. http://www.npr.org/templates/s.....Id=5604656
3. Nope - It was the "Military Commissions Act of 2006", not the Patriot Act :
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/.....corpus.htm
4. That is precisely my point - what's not in the Constitution is used all the time, when necessity dictates and America acquiesces. "Original Intent" and "Strict Constitutionalist" is a fallacy on Right or Left. America does what is pragmatic, not only what the Constitution of 230 years ago says about it.
And, that is how we run the country. The Constitution is a framework, not Gospel, as I said. So, I'm sure you'll agree I'm right, won't you?
W| 1.14.12 @ 1:54PM
Purp
Try to focus, you are rambling. You just agreed with my four points so we are off to a good start.
The constitution is much more that a framework, and I don't know what you mean by Gospel. Stay away from the word "gospel" otherwise MullahMargie will lecture on the gospel.
By climate change, if you mean the change in weather and change in seasons, then we agree again. I don't know what you mean, and don't really care.
Evolution? You may be surprised, but tell me how did life start?
Margie| 1.14.12 @ 2:47PM
If "W" were a Christian, he's be uniting with a Christian, instead he trashes them...
He's a lying Papist, that's why!!
Better run, Papist, here comes the WORD OF GOD:
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.." Deu. 6:4.
W| 1.14.12 @ 3:45PM
MullahMargie
I like the name Papist. Do you like Mullah?
You do not believe in the Trinity and that Jesus is God so you are not a Christian since those are the basic tenets.
You have created your own Cult of Margie, part anabaptist as your husband admitted, and your own bible opinions.
So go play with your snakes, you are an apostate and charlatan pretending to be Christian and lecture us.
Buzz off, Mullah.
Margie| 1.16.12 @ 3:34PM
"W" TROLL:
You reject the Gospel Of Grace, and are therefore on your way to Hell as we speak!!
LIARS and disgusting creatures like you get thrown into the Lake of Fire.
Lotsa luck, pervert!!!
REV. 21:8.
AVCurmudgeon| 1.16.12 @ 5:20PM
Many Constitutional wrongs are done simply because nobody has legal standing to challenge them. Take for example Obama's recent usurpation of the appointment power. It was "pragmatic", it was also unconstitutional, and now it is precedent.
Here's the problem with pragmatism: it says that "the practical is more important than principle." But by continually sacrificing the principled for the practical we are left with no compass, no basic concepts to direct us. And last time I looked, "anything goes" was not the national motto.
Joan of Snark | 1.26.12 @ 9:55AM
" I'm glad he's dead."
No hypocrisy here, is there? This trash from the kind who got their soiled panties in a wad when Rush said he wanted BO to simply fail.
You've lost any semblance of credibility.
Timothy L. Pennell| 1.14.12 @ 8:26AM
You just made my point for me.
The Constitution IS the Gospel, when it comes to keeping us FREE.
By the way: Lend Lease - Democrat. Replacing Steel Workers with the Army - Democrat. Marshall Plan - Democrat.
Why do you strive, so hard, to have your Freedoms taken away? You say that you don't believe that the Constitution is the Gospel, but you defend this man, who seeks to take us down, as a World Power, as if He is a Messiah.
All he knows is Class Warfare. All he knows is Divide and Conquer. All he knows is Riot and Anarchy. He is NOT a person of Good Will. He is the Embodiment of CORRUPTION, and DECEIT. And he will bring us to our knees, if we let him.
You wanna stick it to the Rich?
You wanna stick it to the Corporations?
Stick it to the Banks?
Stick it to the Oil Companies?
If one fails to LEARN from History? They are DOOMED to repeat it.
So, let them come. Let them come slay your Dragons. Let them come slay your Bogey Men. It's all been done, before.
But, it was the JEWS, back then. It was the Bourgeois. It was the Intellectuals, the Teachers, the Poets, the Doctors, and the Lawyers. It was the Industrialists, the Capitalists, the RICH.
It was Lenin, and Stalin, and Hitler. It was Mao, and Pol Pot, and Castro. It is the Eternal Evil, that seeks to CONTROL Mankind.
And it always STARTS the same way.
They came for the.............and I did nothing.
Then, everybody Dies.
Purp| 1.14.12 @ 11:41AM
My poor little timmy ... you see conspiracy theories all ar0und you. How do you even get out of bed each day, when so many are out to get you?
I don't want to stick it to anyone - just level the playing field for workers and the middle class. The class war is real and has been waged for 30 years by the wealthy, connected and elected. In particular Corporate Greed. THAT you should worry about.
And, no the Constitution is NOT Gospel. Why would we need a team of 9 called the Supreme Court to tell us what it means, to interpret it, if it was Gospel? It's a framework, like I said, and like the "FRAMERS" of the Constitution said it would be. Thomas Jefferson expected changes every 19 years to occur, although he himself violated the Constitution by buying the Louisiana Purchase. You will not find anywhere in the Constitution his right to do it, but would you disagree with his pragmatic decision? As did George Washington putting down the Whiskey Rebellion - you won't find THAT authority anywhere in the Constitution either. You do know about those 2 acts by the 1st and 3rd Presidents, don't you?
So you see, Timmy, you have a provincial, quaint view of the Constitution, but it doesn't even match what the Framers expected it to be. Perhaps you should find different, more intelligent, more precise sources of information for yourself? Otherwise you are destined to continue with your paranoia to a psychotic event. Get some help.
Zak Klemmer | 1.15.12 @ 4:58PM
Bravo brother Timothy. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
Nigel Rumpleteazer| 1.13.12 @ 6:41PM
Sorry, old chap, but I can't find a word about auto companies in Alexander Hamilton's oeuvre. As near as I can make out, American is exporting its industrial capacity to China. I'm assured by my inamorata that I'm too big to fail to please.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 8:16PM
Then you haven't looked at Alexander Hamilton's treatise "On Manufactures". It explains America's industrial policy, which had been followed until senile ol' Ronnie Reagan killed it. And, we've been going downhill since.
Goldwater girl| 1.13.12 @ 5:30PM
Perp,
A pure capitalist approach would have allowed GM to file bankruptcy, which would have allowed revision of the union contract. Instead, your dream date protected the UAW, and screwed the secured creditors. That is not capitalism
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 8:20PM
Protected? Extracted wage concessions and laid off thousands from the UAW. You call that protection? Everyone got screwed. What irks a lot on the right, is that it's usually the workers alone that get screwed, who they don't care about. This time it hurt investors, dealers, workers and creditors equally. THAT is capitalism dearie, with the invisible hand of government skewing it in the direction of the American economy rather than the 1%. But of course, Romney would have let them all fail and couldn't care less. Market forces are a myth, but apparently you haven't grown up yet to know that. Perhaps you should ask one of the 1.5 millions workers who's jobs he saved what they think, instead of Rush $400million Loudmouth or Fixed News, hmmmm?
Larry| 1.14.12 @ 4:25AM
Purp, he saved his union cronies (the real culprits of GM's decline) from embarrassment by bailing out their pension fund and screwing over the bondholders. He saved a company that doesn't deserve to be saved, and will eventually collapse because Barack the Usurper is telling them to sell electric cars. If electric cars are the "wave of the future," (they are not) why in hell do we need GM?
By the way, if you really believe that the housing market crisis is NOT the result of failed and misguided government policy, you are just parroting what YOU have heard. Get real, dunderhead. Whenever you use a "parroting" argument like that, it means you have no facts to back you up. There are plenty of facts to back my position - just go read Reckless Endangerment, by the business reporter for the New York Times, a newspaper you probably genuflect before every morning before breakfast.
Purp| 1.14.12 @ 11:53AM
Yep, and laid off thousands of workers .. yep that was protecting the union; Extracted wage and pension concessions from the union - yep that was protecting the union. Where do you get YOUR information? Perhaps you have a less than truthful source?
Actually, you should look at this, no one really knows why the crash occurred : http://thenextrecession.files......ession.pdf
fckewe| 1.15.12 @ 3:07AM
Actually, a lot of road construction has been accomplished, but a fair part of the money is unspent as the projects haven't been fully planed as of yet. Is GM paying dividends on the 60% equity to the American Treasury. Is the loan of 6.7 Bill repaid?
I think Mr O'Stalin needs to listen to less Bill O'Reilly.
Clint| 1.13.12 @ 6:47AM
Of Course, Why Should Gingrich And Perry Be Romney's Friends ?
The Tea Party Rebellion Is In South Carolina.
oldfart| 1.13.12 @ 6:50AM
Hey if Axlerod is trying to take him down then Romney gets my vote. :)
Lawrence Boccardi| 1.13.12 @ 6:58AM
Ditto!!
JAWilson| 1.13.12 @ 7:39AM
Romeny runs his family out front, his clean image and sells a forceful message like his NH speech and he should be able to counter the poison. He's been tested already and he can win, IMHO.
And if you think Ron Paul has any real chance at all, get off the bong.
CrackerHound| 1.13.12 @ 10:27AM
If Romney gets the nomination he should borrow a little of the Reagan spirit after four years of Jimmy Carter....because that's what this is, a repeat of 76-80 Carter term.
That is to say he should be positive and upbeat while extoling the virtues of America as Reagan did. America is in the dumps partially due to Obama's constant berating. Obama has been the worst president in my life time and that includes Jimmy Carter. If Obama wins re-election it won't be through the popular vote.
If the GOP doesn't screw this up, Obama by all measures should be a one-term president.
Zak Klemmer | 1.15.12 @ 4:52PM
Did "Conservatism" end in the Republican Party with the retirement of Reagan?
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 9:23AM
Lazy
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 9:23AM
What a great reason to vote for somebody. It's the lazy, low information voter way of deciding.
Drunken Sailor| 1.13.12 @ 2:52PM
Hey it worked for you Dems in 2008!
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 4:50PM
Naw, the Dems voted for their candidate - I voted for change and to save the country, which was beyond Grandpa McCain's abilities. We'd be in a war with Iran now, if he was president, with worse economic straits. The day the financial system collapsed, he was touting how strong the system was... idiot.
TrueBlue | 1.13.12 @ 7:25PM
Very very very few people here would say McCain was a good choice for President, so your attempt at a point is... well, pointless.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 8:21PM
And, yet you all agree ... thank you for your support!
Larry| 1.14.12 @ 4:30AM
"I voted for change. . . "
I really have to chuckle. As the Beatles' song Revolution says, "goodbye to the old boss, welcome to the new boss," the point being that the more things change the more they stay the same. Plus ca change, as they say in French. Obama isn't remotely about constructive change, speaking of "creative destruction." Well, I guess we have to destroy the country in order to save it.
You are a reprehensible bastard, Purp, totally reprehensible.
Diana| 1.14.12 @ 11:05AM
The Who, "Won't get fooled again" is the song that line comes from. But listen to the words again of Revolution it really nukes Obama's thinking.
Here is the last verse:
You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow...
Purp| 1.14.12 @ 11:57AM
That's really all you people have isn't it? Mao, Marxism, Communist ? It's really lame and getting old. Since I'm sure you never listen to the President, nor research what he's really doing (decreasing size of government, giving tax cuts, promoting individual responsibility and work ethic) you are tainted by those you DO listen to. Sad, that you're information sources lie, cheat and misdirect you as much as possible so you support their hidden corporate agendas.
Ken (Old Texican| 1.13.12 @ 7:04AM
Paul,
beginning three years ago, I labled Obama a "communist" unabashedly here on many occasions.
Alot of people here called me outrageously mistaken.
I wasn't.
Timothy L. Pennell| 1.13.12 @ 8:59AM
Let me see, if I've got this thing right.
Romney worked at Bain Capital. Companies were Re-Organized. Some were lost. Some went on to be Huge successes. Lots of people lost their jobs. Many more, gained employment. Everything was Above Board, and to the Letter of the Law. What they did at Bain, was a Legitimate Function of Market Economics.
Let's go to the Video Tape on Obama/Axelrod.
He has accomplished much, in his 3 years. He holds the Record, for every Bad Economic Indicator there is. Unemployment. (The REAL NUMBERS. Not the made up ones that, that LIAR - Solas - pulls out of her Ass) Foreclosures. Bank Failures. Bankruptcies. Homelessness. Suicides.
He holds the Record for the Most Americans on Food Stamps. The Most Americans living AT, or BELOW, the Poverty Line. He holds the Record for the Worst Housing Market since they started keeping Records.
We have the Lowest Consumer Confidence in 30 Years. A Misery Index at a 28 Year High.
He's got the Record for Consecutive Deficits over a TRILLION. He's got the Record for more DEBT, than all of his predecessors, COMBINED. He holds the Record for the most Credit Rating DOWNGRADES, in our History.
He owns the Wost JOBS Record of any modern President. And, he's the 1st President to show a Net Gain in Jobs, of ZERO. In fact, we've LOST JOBS, under President Vacation.
Where I'm sitting, it's gonna take all the LIPSTICK in the World, to dress up that PIG.
I know that Americans are STOOPID. I've seen a T.V. Guide. But, NOBODY, is that Stupid.
Why do you think Bawney retired from the House? So he could prance around in his Provincetown Summer Wear Ensemble? No. He could see the writing on the wall. Even though he had to strain, to look between Alan's legs. He could see that things were about to get hard.
Ouch.
(I think that's called a Double Entendre, or something.)
Hey. If the Shoe fits.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 9:30AM
"What they did at Bain, was a Legitimate Function of Market Economics." - NO, it is not. This is financial swindlers and parasites. Just because they are not illegal, doesn't mean they are morally right. They make no product, they simply are in it to make as much profit as possible. THAT is not capitalism. Capitalism at it's heart is the investment of CAPITAL to produce goods or services that customers will buy. Reinvestment of that capital into growing the business is what capitalism is all about.
Bain is not interested in growing a business, but in squeezing all the money out of a business by laying off workers, cutting benefits and getting out (selling) before the crash comes. In some cases, the crash did not come (Staples, Sports Authority), but that was not because of Bain's management - but in spite of Bain. Do some real research on the topic, will ya?
W| 1.13.12 @ 10:48AM
Purp
You should quit your Walmart job and write speeches for Newt, Perry, Obama. You got the talking points down pat.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 12:21PM
Thanks, I came to these conclusions all by myself. I don't have to be fed by Fixed News and Rush Loudmouth what to think and what to argue against, as you can clearly see.
Drunken Sailor| 1.13.12 @ 2:53PM
"I came to these conclusions all by myself". Man, does that explain everything or what?
W| 1.13.12 @ 3:21PM
DS
Scary or what? What's worse, that he thought of it himself, or that he repeated the lefty line?
Drunken Sailor| 1.13.12 @ 4:45PM
I'm willing to bet if you stood Purp into the wind you would hear the air whistle as it passed through his head.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 4:54PM
DS - If you really knew anything, you would be right. On the other hand, YOU simply spout nothing but little quips you think are funny and oh so intelligent - they are not.
W| 1.13.12 @ 8:43PM
DS is funny intentionally but you Purp are also funny but not intentionally
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 4:54PM
Many people given the same set of facts can come to the same conclusions. You know that is how thinking works - you should try it sometime. But, of course, you have to know something first to evaluate the facts.
Drunken Sailor| 1.13.12 @ 5:14PM
I have a suggestion for you, Pull your head out of your ass, hold your nose and blow real hard. If your lucky you just might clear all that shit out of your head, the air will pass through and you may even have a intelligent thought instead of parroting HuffPo and the DNC's idiot chairperson.
Have a lovely weekend.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 8:22PM
DS - I have way too much fun debunking you people to even know what HuffPo says. Once again, you add nothing except your attempt at a funny, intelligent put-down - it is not.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 4:52PM
If you really knew anything, you would be right. On the other hand, YOU simply spout nothing but little quips you think are funny and oh so intelligent - they are not.
Drunken Sailor| 1.13.12 @ 5:12PM
Did I touch a nerve? Your repeating yourself.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 8:23PM
DS - you deserve repetitiveness ... like a small child, eventually it might get through.
W| 1.13.12 @ 8:45PM
Purp,
DS is funny on purpose. You are funny too, but not on purpose.
Did I repeat myself?
Purp| 1.14.12 @ 12:10PM
W - yeah you did, but since Drunkboy is not funny or intelligent, what's your point? Dig at me is typical, but do you really think he's funny?
Timothy L. Pennell| 1.13.12 @ 10:59AM
And, how many Car Dealerships were FORCED to close their doors, when the Muslim did a Hostile Takeover, at GM and Chrysler? How many THOUSANDS, were out of a Job, on the Orders of Comrade Obama? And, what of the LEGAL CONTRACTS of the Bond Holders?
THAT was Socialism.
THAT was Communism.
What Bain does IS Capitalism.
"In some cases, the crash did not come." Amen.
Get it through your Stupid Head.
This Economic System allows people to TAKE RISKS. It is a system of Risk vs. Reward. There are No Guarantees, and Everybody doesn't make it.
That's why they call it: Risk.
And, this is why I call you: Dumb*ss.
You want everyone to believe you, when you tell them that BAIN Destroyed these Failing Companies. "Every Company that Bain came in to help Restructure, that FAILED, was because of Bain." It wasn't because they were too far gone. No. It was BAIN.
Buuuuuuuuuut. When you are forced to deal with the SUCCESSES, such as Staples and Sports Authority, or the others, you're edification is: "These Companies made it IN SPITE of Bain".
We mighta all been born at night. But it wasn't LAST NIGHT.
GTFOutta here with your Propaganda. Take your Leftist Bullsh*t Lies, someplace else.
What your Boy did, is the Definition of Socialism.
What you do, is pure GOEBBELS.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 12:36PM
Risk? Risk some money, but the real risk is with other people's jobs and livelihood. That in my book is a parasite sucking the life out of a company and off the backs of the hard-working employees. Gordon Gecko lives - he's Mitt Romney!
Sorry, Sunshine, but what President Obama did with the auto companies is what a CAPITALIST would do to strengthen a company for long term survival. As a successful Capitalist President, President Obama saved Capitalism, just as FDR did before him after a Great Depression hit. Without their policies, the 99% would have revolted from all the pain they had to suffer.
The difference between what the President did and Romney's parasitic practices is that Obama saved the Auto Companies, who've added 100k jobs in 2011, made sure those that DID lose their jobs got unemployment and other financial support. All Romney did was parasitically suck all profit out of a company and leave it for dead for his own personal gain. We don't need "Bernie Maddoff" Romney as President, especially when we have a successful President to re-elect.
Since Republicans Newt and Rick Perry agree that Romney was a vulture or parasite, this is a bi-partisan position that independents can agree with.
So thank you for pointing out how President Obama proved his cred as a Capitalist dealing with the Auto Company's issues - restructuring them and making them stronger than ever !
Timothy L. Pennell| 1.13.12 @ 2:51PM
Yeah. Real strong.
Ever hear of The Volt?
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 5:01PM
Hired 100,000 workers last year - ever hear of success?
And, yes, the volt is good car.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jo.....s-battery/
But then - http://www.forbes.com/sites/ec.....hevy-volt/
Now, which do you believe? American made car, by Americans and you make fun of new innovation in America? What kind of American are you ? A sleeper cell? Go peddle your nonsense someplace else, you twit.
Larry| 1.14.12 @ 4:36AM
More laughs! More comedy from the leftie!
You REALLY have no clue, Purp. I guess you didn't hear about the Volt recall. It catches fire a little bit TOO easily. And about the fact that it requires exclusively premium unleaded gasoline when the car runs out of juice - after 40 - 60 miles of cruising range! And that the Volt requires at least four hours to charge.
It MAY be a good car someday - in Albania. Ha, ha, ha!!
Purp| 1.14.12 @ 12:14PM
Did you bother to read the links, brainiac? Of course not.
Hmmm, since most people drive less than 20 miles to and from work/day and it uses no gas, and no foreign oil, I guess you'd rather pay the Arabs to run YOUR vehicles, is that it? On top of that, you criticize American innovation, American workers and Made in America - That's Un-American and Un-patriotic. Why don't you leave a country you clearly don't love?
Indiana Alex| 1.13.12 @ 12:34PM
Your lack of understanding of business and economics suits your role.
This administration has been a shining example for financial swindlers and parasites, and the Chrysler bankruptcy is a textbook example of the lawless, crony capitalism that has driven investment capital into cash, or out of the country.
There was no legal or economic standing to screw bondholders, and the characterization of them as "speculators" was nothing more than the typical drivel that comes from a morally and intellectually bankrupt Administration that would choose "not to let a crisis go to waste" in order to advance the cause of political payback.
The result has been capital flight.
Purp and his gang suggest that companies are purposely holding cash to hurt Obama's re- election possibilities, but the reality is that risks of domestic investment are substantially increased in an economy where the law is ignored by those sworn to uphold the law.
At some point this Administration is going to have to be taken to task for the reckless precidents it has set in the abuse of Federal power, especially with respect to business and the economy.
We all better hope that comes in November.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 5:05PM
Capital flight? Capital flight? When?
Business in this country has always been controlled somewhat by the Federal government - with the exception of the 1920's and since the 1980's. And we know what happened in 1929 and we've all experienced it in 2008. How'd that work out for us Sunshine?
That's not what Madison wanted, but he lost out to Hamilton. YOU can read all about it too.
Indiana Alex| 1.14.12 @ 12:24PM
You know we aren't talking about government controlling business. You know we are talking about government ignoring the rule of law for the purpose of political payback.
If one of the "terrible corporations", or even Bain Capital decides to ignore the law, the aggreived party can always look to the government to find justice.
If the government is the party ignoring the law, there is nowhere to turn.
The lawlessness of this Administration, and the dangerous precidents it has set, will continue to damage the economy long after amatuer hour is over.
"What capital flight"? The kind you've been talking about repeatedly with evil corporations moving jobs overseas. It takes captial to do that, but I don't expect you would understand that.
Perhaps if you came to the discussion with a consistent set of principles from which to base your positions you wouldn't seem so random.
Larry| 1.14.12 @ 4:32AM
You have NO clue, Purp, about how a firm like Bain Capital works. The only thing you've learned is how to mouth slogans from your leftie buddies or leftie rag newspapers.
Aiken_Bob| 1.14.12 @ 9:16AM
purp -- in one of your other posts you said you were a consultant. Yet you dig at Bain for the same thing you do, your only product is words. If you hate bain then you must really hate yourself -- but that was kinda obvious.
Purp| 1.14.12 @ 12:15PM
Actually no, YOU are able to access sites like this, because of consultants. I help others produce products and services, not squeeze them dry of all possible cash and leave them for dead.
Goldwater Girl| 1.13.12 @ 2:09PM
Outstanding Tim! You made me spit!
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 8:24PM
TMI ... TMI
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 9:24AM
You have no clue what a communist is. Newt Gingrich is communist.
Larry| 1.14.12 @ 4:38AM
Don't go anywhere with that, dunderhead. It takes a communist to know a communist. You are as close to one as I can think of. Buzz off, troll.
Purp| 1.14.12 @ 12:16PM
I was waiting for some idiot to respond to that ridiculous statement .. thanks for proving idiots are alive and well on AS.
rhoetus| 1.15.12 @ 5:03PM
You weren't mistaken - Obama is a communist.
Appleby| 1.13.12 @ 7:15AM
Most people have no idea in the world what venture capitalists do. I know two racing drivers who have made careers in venture capitalism and I have attended a symposium through Mensa on the subject, so i have some idea; however, I think it would be really good if someone would produce a documentary or two showing what they actually do. Especially for those who have already forgotten the Dot.Com bubble, perhaps. Too many people in the USA still believe that money falls from the sky when the angels empty baskets on the population at random (hence the term "less fortunate" to describe those who were tweeting or changing channels and therefore standing in the wrong location when the angels upended their baskets).
Teaghan| 1.13.12 @ 8:01AM
And in their selfdeserving minds, obama is their angel.
Shamus| 1.13.12 @ 7:34AM
Poor tactics on the part of the Obama team will not aid in his reelection. Obama's base has lost their enthusiasm, but even if they regained it, they would not have enough votes to bring an Obama victory. Scorched earth isn't going to impress moderate voters, who want someone who can solve the country's problems. Unless there's some rabbit to be pulled from a hat, the Obama team can look forward to defeat.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 9:52AM
And, yet the country is better off than we were 4 years ago - Wall Street collapsing, DOW down thousands of points, 750,000 jobs/month being lost, AIG in free fall, GDP -6.0 %, Lehman Bros. bankrupt, Auto companies on verge of going out of business, all going on in 2008. Sooo, yeah, let's talk about how unemployment on downward trend, GDP +2.5%, Auto companies thriving, DOW up 35%, Wall Street stabilized in 2012. Yeah, let's talk about THAT tactic with the parasite Mitt "I like to fire people" Romney.
Shamus| 1.13.12 @ 10:28AM
You're saying Obama's record is a positive one. My comment is that this would be a more persuasive case for reelection than trying to make people hate the other side.
Goldwater Girl| 1.13.12 @ 2:12PM
Truth be told, the country would be in better shape now, if we had done nothing, no govt response. Let the market do it's job. The reason the pain is chronic now, is because of Obama policies. Sarah Palin's sweet son would have been more effective, and that's no slam against him.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 5:07PM
You're joking, right? The "market" is what caused the disaster, or were you sleeping for 10 years? By now, you should have read something explaining it to you.
Shamus| 1.13.12 @ 6:46PM
Government caused the disaster.
If the US had maintained reasonable lending standards there would have been no problem.
Once people could take mortgage loans with no money down it was only a matter of time before disaster struck.
Government is supposed to regulate the private sector, and it failed miserably.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 8:27PM
Regulations were removed. It was the lack of government oversight and lax oversight that set the stage - but the "market" where GREED is the main motivation took the ball and ran unimpeded almost off the cliff, taking all of us with it.
But the government didn't 'cause' it, it was lack thereof.
Larry| 1.14.12 @ 4:43AM
Regulations were NOT removed. Have you ever tried to borrow money to buy a house? I think not. The Federal government, especially in the Clinton adminstration, bent over backwards to pressure banks and other lending firms to loan money to people with dubious credit. The system that developed was clearly in response to that policy of "affordable housing" and the consequent pressure. Again, read the business reporter's from the New York Times (your almost favorite paper, second only to "The Daily Worker") in "Reckless Endangerment." This is carefully chronicled.
But, as is true with most leftist ideologues I've encountered on this site, you don't let facts get in the way of a good narrative.
Purp| 1.14.12 @ 12:21PM
Reckless Endangerment - is that your only source of information? Sad... really sad. In any case, here is what they conclude, and it isn't HOUSING:
"The real problem, which the authors only hint at, is that Washington and the financial sector have become so tightly intertwined that public accountability has all but vanished. The revolving door described in “Reckless Endangerment” is but one symptom. The extraordinary wealth of America’s financial class also elicits boundless cooperation from politicians who depend on it for campaign contributions and from a fawning business press, as well as a stream of honors from universities, prestigious charities and think tanks eager to reward their generosity. In this symbiotic world, conflicts of interest are easily hidden, appearances of conflicts taken for granted and abuses of public trust for personal gain readily dismissed. " http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05.....wanted=all
Thank you for playing ... now go back to sleep.
Shamus| 1.14.12 @ 10:36AM
Government is supposed to regulate the banking sector. The Federal Reserve and other banking regulators could have stepped in to prevent the crisis. Instead, the Federal Reserve imposed an easy money policy that was the equivalent of throwing gasoline on a fire. Greed is a motivator in government just as it is in any market (and in fact there is a market for government actions). Easy money from the Federal Reserve coupled with lax regulation caused the financial crisis.
Regulators had full authority to impose prudent lending standards but they did not use it. Repeal of the Glass Steagall act in the late 90's and the CRA contributed significantly to the debasement of underwriting standards, but these changes were acts of Congress signed into law by the president, so they were clearly acts perpetrated by the government. Your view that there is some sort of separation between government and markets is naive, as the two are inextricably intertwined.
Purp| 1.14.12 @ 12:22PM
As I said, it was LACK of Government oversight (= public accountability) and GREED of people seeing an opportunity:
"The real problem, which the authors only hint at, is that Washington and the financial sector have become so tightly intertwined that public accountability has all but vanished. The revolving door described in “Reckless Endangerment” is but one symptom. The extraordinary wealth of America’s financial class also elicits boundless cooperation from politicians who depend on it for campaign contributions and from a fawning business press, as well as a stream of honors from universities, prestigious charities and think tanks eager to reward their generosity. In this symbiotic world, conflicts of interest are easily hidden, appearances of conflicts taken for granted and abuses of public trust for personal gain readily dismissed. " http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05.....wanted=all
Shamus| 1.14.12 @ 1:06PM
I'd say it was greed on the part of government overseers. They knew what they were doing and did it because they would profit from it. There is no mechanism to hold government agents accountable for their greed and corruption.
Drunken Sailor| 1.13.12 @ 2:55PM
Isn't it odd the the economy tanked when the Dems controlled all of Congress, but then started it's slow gradual upturn after the 2010 election when the Republicans took over the house.
NAAAAA, got to be a coincidence.
Warrior | 1.13.12 @ 3:53PM
If I might quote one the liberal heroes:
The single most exciting thing you encounter in government is competence, because it's so rare. – Daniel Patrick Moynihan
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 5:07PM
... Revisionist history again ? Go have another drink, maybe you'll do better.
Drunken Sailor| 1.13.12 @ 5:15PM
Open a window. Your baked.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 8:28PM
DS - wow, funny, intelligent .. again, NOT. Care to explain how the Democrats created lax oversight or no oversight of the financial shenanigans on Wall Street or home lending? Hmmm?
I didn't think so.
Larry| 1.14.12 @ 4:44AM
Read, dunce-meister. Read. Get out of the way before the anti=Obama train hits you head on.
Shamus| 1.14.12 @ 10:50AM
President Clinton signed the bill repealing Glass Steagall and the CRA. Repeal of Glass Steagall encouraged widespread syndication of mortage loans by allowing Wall Street firms to take much more risk than they had previously. The CRA gave banks an incentive to make loans to people who wouldn't have qualified otherwise.
Barney Frank is on record as saying he wanted to roll the dice on housing and get Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to loosen up lending standards. As chairman of the principle House oversight panel, Frank had enormous influence.
But it was Republicans as well as Democrats who pushed for lax underwriting standards, although Democrats favored it more because they thought it was a way to promote affordable housing. They aimed to please, but their aim was bad.
Purp| 1.14.12 @ 12:25PM
Barney Frank had no power from 1994 to 2006, so let's stop blaming him, his opinions meant little to nothing to Republican House Leadership.
You don't tell us why Republicans favored lax standards, and Clinton signed a bill passed by Republicans and Democrats.
Otherwise I agree with you.
rhoetus| 1.15.12 @ 5:53PM
Barney lied and 401k's died.
gran torino| 1.13.12 @ 7:41AM
Republicans really need to get a grip this time around: at stake is a whole lot more than seeing your ultra-conservative in office; it's getting Obama OUT, whatever that takes. Be prepared to hold your noses, but for God's sake vote Republican.
Even a congressional majority in both houses won't be enough to stop the Obama train wreck--this time he won't have to face voters again, and given his penchant for Hugo Chavez-style leadership, will happily trample the Constitution as he sees fit. Four more years of Obama could wreak unimaginable havoc, and if you're going to sit around whining and looking peevishly at your fingernails, remember: you helped bring this country down.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 10:46AM
Hahahaha - do you have a clue what "Hugo Chavez style leadership" is? Trample the Constitution - you mean like GW Bush?
Nancy in NC| 1.13.12 @ 3:34PM
Last resort...blame Bush. And what did Bush do that Obama hasn't done on steroids?
Purp, you are pathetic. And Huff Po is still calling you.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 5:09PM
You still don't know what Chavez-style is, do you? So you attack me... okay I get, i'll go with that.
Larry| 1.14.12 @ 4:47AM
You make Hugo Chavez look like a plaintive waif, compared to your willful ignorance of facts. Chavez has trampled more than his constitution, and comparing him to Bush only makes you look even more and more like the fool that people think you are.
Better for you to keep quiet, and only be thought a fool, than for you to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
martin j smith| 1.13.12 @ 8:04AM
Romney and every Republican nominee who intends to be the President had better be prepared to attack Obama on his ideology and his policies that flow from that. The American Voter need to be given an opportunity to see the dire choice before them--Freedom or Dictatorship.
Romney's refusal to even use the word Socialism is like a President refusing to call an attack on US interests an act of war. Deadly.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 9:53AM
Choice? yes, choice between "freedom" to be controlled by the 1% and Corporatocracy or the "dictatorship" of the middle class or 99%....
Drunken Sailor| 1.13.12 @ 2:58PM
A Gallup Poll shows your talking out your ass.
"Few Americans say that inequality or the gap between the rich and poor worries them, and a small 3% mention that the power of corporations and their influence on the economy is what worries them the most about the economy"
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 5:09PM
Drinking again I see...
Drunken Sailor| 1.13.12 @ 5:18PM
Smoking again I see. Not that you'll read it. Try some Visine and focus long enough to read this.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/152.....cians.aspx
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 8:31PM
Back at ya ... not that you'll bother. You're drunk.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/po.....nequality/
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 8:33PM
I should add in your poll Americans were asked an open ended question, while in the ABC poll the specific question was asked. I suppose you don't know the difference, but thought I'd try.
Riff Raff| 1.13.12 @ 3:26PM
Fiction.
Your sheep are calling.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 5:17PM
http://www.nationalreview.com/.....ael-tanner
The graph says it all ... of course, he twists and turns to try to explain it away - but there it is in a right-wing journal.
Even Fixed News recognizes it is an issue:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion.....nequality/
Now, let them spin however they want to try to explain it away - the data is clear, the top 1% (or in the graph's case, 20%) has grown in income, while the rest of us have not.
skip| 1.13.12 @ 9:30PM
Federal revenue is 57% of federal spending.
43% of federal spending is borrowed debt.
The top 1% pay more income tax than the bottom 95% combined.
Pathetic despicable stupid lying idiot emotionally prattling liberals devoid of any reason and experience such as yourself want federal revenue to increase.
Pathetic despicable stupid lying emotionally prattling idiot liberals devoid of any reason and experience such as yourself want the increased federal revenue to come from the top 1%.
Federal revenue will increase, and the increase will come from the top 1% who pay more than the bottom 95% combined, when the income of the top 1% increases, which a pathetic despicable stupid lying emotionally prattling idiot liberal devoid of any reason and experience such as yourself would know if you weren't such a pathetic despicable stupid lying emotionally prattling idiot liberal who has obviously never even taken a Principles of Economics 101 class.
Idiot.
Anthony| 1.13.12 @ 8:15AM
Excuse me Mr. Kengor, but ANY Republican that ends up as the nominee will receive the scorched earth attacks from Obozo and his henchmen.
Obozo and his fellow Marxists are dispicable creatures and this election will be downright UGLY.
Darin| 1.13.12 @ 8:42AM
The GOP nominee needs to turn attacks around on the attacker.
Class warfare. Why do you think it's wrong for someone who works long hours and studies hard to be rewarded for their efforts?
Welfare. Why do you think it's a good thing for someone to be forced to give a portion of what they have earned to someone who refuses to even look for a job?
Abortion. Why do you think it's OK to kill an unborn child whose only "crime" is existance?
Gay marriage. Why do you refuse to outline the known, documented medical risks associated with the gay lifestyle?
Military spending. With growing threats from North Korea, China, Russia, and Iran, why do you want to decrease military spending?
Education. Why is it a bad thing to provide parents with the means, via vouchers, to get more involved in their childrens education by allowing them to choose a school?
The point here is to turn the attack back on the attacker, be it in debates, with the media, or whatever. Make them express clearly what they believe and why to show the difference between worldviews.
Al Adab| 1.13.12 @ 11:58AM
I for one am tired to death of the class warfare folks telling me I cannot make it on my own; that the deck is stacked against me. Much rather would I prefer to take my chances to make my own living; to build my own business and enjoy what freedom I can than to find myself dependant upon a benevolent government for my every meal.
Government can and should work dillegently to create an environment where opportunity abounds. When it tries to gurantee our food, clothing and shelter all it does is put us on the plantation. No thank you.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 12:01PM
Attacks? It's a question of tolerance, equal rights and American civil liberties, just small things like that.
Class warfare - why should the connected, elected and wealthy have a leg up and not compete on an equal playing field?
Welfare - Why don't you freely want to help the poor, the infirm, the young, that are not capable of helping themselves, like Jesus said. THAT is who receives the lionshare of welfare.
Abortion - why is it okay to force a woman through government interference to do what some bunch of old men want?
Gay Marriage - why do you refuse to recognize the far more drain on resources that heterosexual diseases cause? And that gay is not a "lifestyle" anymore than heterosexual is? (btw - your concern is a ridiculous canard against gays)
Military Spending - Since the U.S. military spends 10x more than our closest competitor, China, and far more than all those countries combined, why do you argue for more spending when the country is broke?
Education - Why does a parent need help to pay for their own child's education? If they choose to opt out of public education, it's on them.
There's always 2 sides to every issue, at least. But you're ideas are definitely less tolerant, kind, noble or American.
Curtis Rasmussen| 1.13.12 @ 5:52PM
Personal responsibility. Ain't it a bitch? Except for the military, whose large budget is justified in this dangerous world, all of your talking points involve the government interfering in the fiscal health of its citizens to pander to scum like you, even though the US is the most charitable nation in the world.
When the number of purp-style leeches exceeds the number of taxpayers, then what? You could care less, just keep the gravy train moving until it comes off the rails. Then we can all exist in equal misery.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 8:35PM
You mean like Republicans want to do by defunding any agency they don't like? Or telling people what they can or cannot do in their bedroom or who they can love and marry? That government?
Since I AM in the top 2%, I am confident I pay more for the internet than you ever will - so I paid for this platform.
Curtis Rasmussen| 1.14.12 @ 10:34AM
Idiot, we can't fund the agencies that we have now.
I'll say it slowly so you can understand. within the next decade or 2, we will reach a crisis stage where the interest on the debt exceeds all tax receipts and the debt spirals out of control. The current course must be changed, we have no choice. Change it now or collapse later.
Oh, yeah. I forgot. I'm talking to a lying troll.
Curtis Rasmussen| 1.13.12 @ 6:08PM
Did you notice this turgid and repetitive writing style, especially when it comes to the patronizing statements about the old, the infirm, the young etc... This troll has been around a long time under many different monikers. The names have changed, same old tired bullshit.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 8:36PM
Nope, same name - Purp or Purpleguy that is it. I'm just not alone, so wake up. Cant' you write without calling names - it is childish you know. Show's low intelligence.
Larry| 1.14.12 @ 4:49AM
There ARE 2 sides to every story, perhaps more than 2. But yours just happens to be the sloganeering, idiot side. I've known lefties that can give much better, coherent arguments than yours. You remain a dunderhead.
VonMisesJr| 1.13.12 @ 8:58AM
While it is disturbing that Newt and Perry are attacking Romney from this angle; Mr. Kengor is correct that this is child's play compared to what is coming.
That is not the issue. The issue is who is the best candidate to represent the people.
The concern with Romney is twofold. First, he does not clearly take positions and stand on principle. We had a Democrat "blank slate" last election and the country is on the verge of class warfare and financial turmoil. Second is that the GOP liberal Establishment seems to want Romney and no one else. Have they already made a Faustian pact to benefit the ruling class at the expense of the middle class?
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 10:04AM
Class Warfare? The rich, ruling class has been waging war on the middle class for decades and NOW you're worried about it? Who told you what to believe? The middle class has been losing since Reagan's days, and now that they are beginning to fight back, NOW it's the Democratic Party at fault. And, NOW we're on the verge of financial turmoil? Where were you in 2008?
Romney is being pushed by the establishment, so Republicans have no choice but to swallow hard and take it. They know you'll vote for him over Obama, so they really don't care what the voters want.
VonMisesJr| 1.13.12 @ 10:47AM
Purp, I agree. I never defended either Bush, McLame or said anything positive about Romney yet. But he is a world of difference better than Obumer, but he is not my first choice.
Question: do you have any friends? Half of the three dozen comment from this article are yours. You must be a paid troll or a very lonely guy.
Ken (Old Texican| 1.13.12 @ 11:33AM
Purp,
I'm a Christian.........but I fantasize about seeing you over open sights. (uh...open gunsights.)
You won't be there, but hiding in your mom's basement with all the other cowards like Clint and jackoff wi.
Nevertheless, we are at war...right now...me and you guys.
It looks like Governor Perry will not be the Republican nominee...
He as Governor can sure as hell seal the Texas borders due to "quarantine needs" though.
Don't show your nose in Texas when the rest of the country goes "Detroit".
Al Adab| 1.13.12 @ 12:01PM
I seek the opportunity to become part of the rich, ruling class. Why must I be kept in my place because class warfare folks find it to their politcal advantage to keep me dependant? Opportunity for all should be the goal.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 12:41PM
Exactly President Obama's agenda. The connected, elected and wealthy hold all the power and make all the decisions for all of us. He's trying to reverse that with Financial Regulation, the Healthcare Reform Act and breaking up the congressional-military-industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us about.
That is what the Occupy movement is all about. So was the Tea Party - until it got co-opted by the Republican establishment, and is unfortunately dying.
Al Adab| 1.13.12 @ 2:23PM
Purp:
I hope to become one of the connected, wealthy etc. Do I get that through a government grant?
You just keep smoking that stuff and maybe you'll do us all a fovor and miss election day.
rdman| 1.13.12 @ 3:41PM
We can only hope Purp will overdose...
It futile to argue truth, logic and rational, critical thought with a brain dead, programmed drone.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 5:19PM
Al - unless you are connected, elected or independently wealthy you will never get any further. The deck is stacked against you, so you either give up, or use your vote to get rid of the Corporate shills.
W| 1.13.12 @ 8:54PM
Purp
I don't understand your anwer to Al Adab. How did you end up in the top 2% with Buffet. Are you connected or independently wealthy? And you surely are not smart, and you might have 1% of the intelligence of Al Adab. So how?
chuck| 1.14.12 @ 9:44AM
When purp says he's in the top 2%, he means world-wide. Sounds good! Out of all the people in the world, all 6 or is it now 7 billion people, he's in the top 2%!
50% of the top 1% of earners world-wide live in the US. You have to earn about $35,000 to be in the top 1%. So, purp, who cleans toilets for Jeffrey Immelt, probably is in the top 2% world-wide.
MXLord327| 1.13.12 @ 4:49PM
Obama's policies will only further widen the Rich/Poor gap. The middle class will be completely eliminated and there will be only the extreme rich, elite ruling class and the rest will live lives barely above subsistence level.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 5:20PM
MX - naw, those are Reagan's and the Bush Boys policies that have done this damage. FDR and JFK created the middle class in this country - since Reagan, they have been trying to tear it down. Bilderburg society - "Creature from Jekyll Island". Ring any bells? Go look them up.
Larry| 1.14.12 @ 4:55AM
Uh, the connected and wealthy (Communist Party) made all decisions for all people in the Soviet Union. They just weren't elected, because the "enlightened" represented a vanguard that was going to bring a "classless society." Give it up, Perp (I'm going to start calling you that, because you are beginning to commit crimes against logic and facts). Barack the Usurper is trying to suck up all of the power for him and his cronies on the left. That is all this is about. The people you're trying to defend (or represent, I can't tell which sometimes because your logic is so convoluted and fact-free) are the ones who are going to remain "the 99%," (a laugh in itself that you define it as the 99%, most of those folks want to throw you off a bridge) but will be even worse off when Barack the Usurper is done.
rhoetus| 1.15.12 @ 12:25PM
It's no use Larry, Perp doesn't understand the meaning of the word "Usurper".
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 12:38PM
Actually I lived in Texas for a while ... what I discovered is they have 2 things that come from Texas - Steers and Queers.... since I don't see any horns on you ... well, you know.
Larry| 1.14.12 @ 4:56AM
I live in Texas now, have for over 30 years. You should have let some of Texas rub off on you. But obviously you didn't get it. Oh wait, you must've been living in Austin! That would explain everything.
chuck| 1.14.12 @ 9:49AM
Had to leave Texas, purp? Tired of having your little snot-nosed, scrawny ass kicked by the "good-ole boys" there?
Goldwater Girl| 1.13.12 @ 2:14PM
I'm pretty good with a .22 rifle with a scope. I'll saddle up and ride with you Ken!
Al Adab| 1.13.12 @ 2:24PM
G Girl: Ken:
You know you can count me in.
Drunken Sailor| 1.13.12 @ 3:01PM
I qualified with the 50 cal on down to the 9MM. Can I join the fun?
rdman| 1.13.12 @ 3:48PM
I don't fool around... my .50 caliber Desert Eagle is pretty good at 50 yards! Even if I miss, the concussion will stop a charging feral pig (or a brain dead drone) for a second shot.
Drunken Sailor| 1.13.12 @ 4:49PM
Nice, I know where I can get my hands on a Winchester 300 mag rifle. We can have a contest to see how many pigs we can knock down with just the percussion.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 5:23PM
Typical red-neck reaction, just like GW Bush. Go ahead, bring on your paltry little firearms. I'll have a predator or reaper tap your a* before you even know it's there. Fight smarter, not harder.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 5:21PM
Bring it on Girl, my Barrett is waiting.
Larry| 1.14.12 @ 4:57AM
Ooh, you really scare us! You are a dinkmeister, and probably a bad shot, too.
Margie| 1.13.12 @ 3:18PM
"I'm a Christian........"
No, you're not.
You're a liar. You're a Reprobate.
You have not repented from bearing false witness against me.
When will you repent?
You broke God's Commandment, and you break the Commandments of Christ to love one another.
"He who speaks the truth gives honest evidence, but a false witness utters deceit." Prov. 12:17.
Either repent of your lying, or present the "proof" you claimed you had, before you changed your story.
Or else:
"But for the cowardly and faithless ones,
and disgusting ones, and murderers, and
fornicators, and users of magic, and idolaters,
and all liars, their part will be in the
Lake burning with fire and brimstone,
which is the second death." Rev. 21:8.
MikeG| 1.13.12 @ 3:24PM
Margie, can you talk to the Purp and set him "straight"
Margie| 1.13.12 @ 4:43PM
Do it yourself, Catholic Troll.
Margie| 1.13.12 @ 6:30PM
To Reprobates and Pope worshippers, the truth is not a necessary part of life.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 5:23PM
Margie honey - are you off your meds again?
Margie| 1.13.12 @ 6:29PM
Coming from you, that's an insult I take as a compliment, Purp-i-traitor!!
Con Chef (NB) | 1.15.12 @ 6:04PM
You're an apostate freak & a loser.
Margie| 1.16.12 @ 3:31PM
Uh, no.. that'd be you: The perverted man who openly rejects Christ.
Filthy, lying punk kid.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 12:37PM
That's the best dig you can come up with? That's sad.
VonMisesJr| 1.13.12 @ 1:05PM
Ken and Al,
Purp must have no friends. He talks to himself! He either has brain freezes or he is another Sybil.
Al Adab| 1.13.12 @ 2:26PM
VMjr:
Now that might explain it all.
Larry| 1.14.12 @ 4:58AM
Ol' Margie, she's got the goods on you!
Goldwater Girl| 1.13.12 @ 2:27PM
Of course not, can you imagine having a drink with this guy? "Ok, Purp, just one drink this time, but I'm bringing my 45, just in case."
VonMisesJr| 1.13.12 @ 3:36PM
Goldwater Girl,
Promise me you won't entertain a drink with this guy. He is a true believer. He's probably too young to have drank the cyanide at Jamestown and probably still feels left out.
Stormy| 1.13.12 @ 9:21AM
Let's see, Vulture Capitalism Greed or Marxist Socialism...I think that I'll take the Vulture Calitalism Greed, thank you.
How can you trust the politics of a man who looks like Snidely Whiplash? Mitt Romney could best be served by an overexposure of Axelrod on television promoting Obama.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 10:14AM
Oh, that's great - let's make voting decisions by the looks of someone not even on the ballot. What kind of American are you?
As far as vulture capitalism - it should be called parasite capitalism - it makes nothing, it provides nothing but pain and misery for the companies it infects and often kills, but only helps the parasites. If the company lives, it's a testament to their strength, not the parasite, who are long gone before success rolls in.
Brian Mc| 1.13.12 @ 10:47AM
I bow in subservience to your higher intellect; or, I could instead bow to the precepts set down in the Constitution. We are getting a bit tired of liberals screaming that, "The government must 'do something'..." Your liberal snobbery is both detestable and treasonous. You pester, pull, and kick without realizing the one you have been pummeling is no longer tired.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 12:44PM
Who said anything about the government doing something? The Transnational Corporations and their congressional shills run this country, not the American people. That's upside down from the Constitution, don't you think? Why do you think there are 40,000 Lobbyists in D.C. ? It isn't to hold coffee klatches.
Brian Mc| 1.13.12 @ 1:29PM
...just forget it. Why do I bother reading your posts? You are hopeless and I will read no more from you.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 8:38PM
Who asked you?
CrackerHound| 1.13.12 @ 10:52AM
Purp..."it provides nothing but pain and misery for the companies it infects and often kills, but only helps the parasites"
That is how OWS describes it. The truth is these are companies that were about to fail where EVERYONE working there would lose jobs and benefits. "Venture capitalists" or turnaround experts infuse capital, slim the bottom line (yes, layoffs and liquidating non-critical operations) and FIXING the problems that caused the company to fail. The company is put back on it's feet and allowed a second life where the new management and tactics implemented can hopefully lead to expansion and job creation. The emotion filled language that Purp and the left use is for consumption by the idiot class in America who wouldn't know the first thing about how money is made.
Here's what shocks people like Obama/OWS and Hugo Chavez....THEY MAKE A PROFIT!...oh the horror.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 12:47PM
Wrong - Parasites like Romney, T.Boone Pickens, Charles Keating and other parasitic capitalists attack strong, thriving companies that have strong cash positions or heavily laden with great assets that can be sold off. They suck them dry, slice and dice them, layoff the workers, reduce benefits, take the money, and leave them for dead. What in the world do you think Romney will do to our country ? It's a very scary thought ...
CrackerHound| 1.13.12 @ 1:15PM
So my FACTUAL explanation is wrong and your adjective filled, emotional accusation is the real deal?...Right, silly me.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 5:28PM
Venture capitalists are not Private Equity firms - that's what you got wrong. Rick Perry is right - Romney is a Vulture Capitalist ... I prefer Parasite, but whatever.
obadiah| 1.13.12 @ 9:41AM
It's simple deduction. Start with the undeniable fact that Obama and Axelrod are evil and prefer lies to anything resembling the truth. Add some opportune quotes from Politico. [Like the New York Times, Politico is a left-wing lie manufacturer, but every once in a while they say something useful and then they can be quoted like scriptures.] Finally, remember that, although Romeny is liar, he's our liar and must be supported as if he were Saint Ron. It's simple deduction.
CrackerHound| 1.13.12 @ 10:12AM
"Ax is slicing up Mitt for an Occupy Wall Street feast. "
OWS supporters are a minority and half of them won't and don't vote. Obama is not exactly inspiring many people these days so this Bain angle is not enough....What else ya' got Ax?
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 10:28AM
How about Realclearpolitics.com that reports ALL Republicans, including Romney, lose the election to President Obama... oops, guess it's a weak bullpen of candidates. The weirdest, weakest field the Republicans have put forth since Barry Goldwater in '64.
Al Adab| 1.13.12 @ 2:28PM
Ah Yes, Barry Goldwater, the most significant losing candidate in the last 100 years.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 8:39PM
well, he did LOSE.
Liberal Reader| 1.13.12 @ 10:32AM
They only call it "class warfare" when the middle class fights back.
Al Adab| 1.13.12 @ 2:31PM
LR:
The middle clas should be allowed to keep the products of their efforts, not have them taxed and regulated away or find themselves dependant on government for their subsistence. Corporations can't levy taxes.
Or if you prefer to listen to T. Jefferson, "A wise and frugal government shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned."
As you seriously saying that the middle class is reliant upon government for their existence?
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 8:41PM
They do levy taxes through the Chamber of Commerce, forty thousand lobbyists and their congressional shills. Corporations wield enormous power that you will never hear about on Corporate owned media. Why do we subsidize AgriBusiness? Big Oil? Big Pharma? and thousands of other corporate interests? It's not for your benefit or mine.
Liberal Reader| 1.15.12 @ 1:11PM
You sound like a Democrat, I hate to say.
Most Republicans think the middle class should pay MORE, so the "job creators" will create more jobs.
(Look around! Can't you see what wondrous works the "job creators" are doing!)
The middle class is not reliant on the government; but democracy is reliant upon a middle class.
The middle class does get bolstered by Social Security, Medicare, school loans, and so on. There's just no question about it. But the middle class also generates the wealth that creates these things. It's not welfare of "wealth redistribution."
crookedwren| 1.13.12 @ 10:35AM
What the Republicans NEEDED to do was to bravely put forth the foundational principles of the free market system, limited government, and individual liberty -- with only CERTAIN unalienable rights granted by a Creator (NOT granted by corruptible humanity).
That foundation was VITAL. Our kids don't know or understand it. They've been spoonfed and forcefed Soviet-style propaganda since birth, through the media and their educational experience. Academia now is in the business of "social engineering," just as Dewey, enamored of the Soviet Union, hoped. (Don't believe me. I learned that as a teacher in a grad. education class taught smack-dab in the Bible belt. It was in our text book and only subtly suggested by the professor. But it was there. Overtly. In the text.)
Look. Occupy Wall Street has been in the plan for awhile. (See "The Coming Insurrection.")
Axelrod and Obama know this stuff. They have more ties to Marxists than anyone I know of. (Van Jones, Frank Marshall Davis, Barack Sr. -- and so many more. Take a look at Trevor Loudon's New Zeal blog for a more complete listing.)
We must remember the idealism that co-exists with nihilism and sloth in young people. (Ron Paul is tapping into both -- anti-Establishment to the core, he proposes some sound fiscal stuff, which the slothful and the nihilists won't care about; then he gets their "vote" with the legalization of drugs. The anarchists are certainly happy with Paul, and they work well with Communists to bring about chaos.)
Look. The Republicans need to be the voice of reality, the voice of prosperity, the voice of the possible, the voice of Truth. Reagan achieved that.
The Republicans need to be the voice of strong, compassionate conservatism -- because true conservatives are both passionate and compassionate. They WANT businesses to flourish so that people can have REAL jobs, work that will provide incomes so that people can afford to pay the mortgages on the homes they buy, can afford to eat at fine restaurants, can afford vacations, can afford to buy books and art and such. The true conservatives I know WANT people to be able to have a good, strong retirement. And the true conservatives I know GIVE GENEROUSLY to deserving charities (and they have done their research before they give).
The true conservatives I know have certainly converted me. Now they need to be heard by those too busy to do their homework themselves -- or too young to understand they have been indoctrinated, misinformed, and deliberately misled.
Look, the train that Axelrod and Obama are steering is a runaway headed for a cliff.
WE ALL KNOW IT.
And we all worry and dread that those who are asleep will not wake up in time to help us put on the brakes --by putting some guys in charge who understand the lay of the land before them as well as the engine and how it works.
The terrible logic of Occupy Wall Street combined with the mislabeling of Romney as a vulture -- with Axelrod doing his best to bring about that "fundamental transformation" of America into a second rate socialist state in "regulated" decline -- should be motivation enough to send everyone who is a true conservative to the Republican candidate's local office -- to help get him elected.
The LAST thing we need is to take up and use the terms that the Alinsky anarchists, the Communists and the useful idiots keep repeating to our kids in their various ways.
We need to inspire and educate and explicate -- make clear to our youth and to our overwhelmed middle-aged -- that the road to prosperity is one built not by the State or the taxpayer, but by individual initiative, individual talent, individual sweat, individual vision. We travel that road on our own two feet, if we can, or with some assistance if we cannot. We travel that road alongside others.
The other option is terrible, debilitating. It is the Statist road where we travel not as individuals but as a herd, a stupid herd, who must be rounded up, led, and fed.
Lenin and Whittaker Chambers both agreed, finally, that socialism/Marxism and the free market system with individual liberty could NOT (in the final analysis) co-exist. Chambers knew that the battle of our time would be the battle between evil and good, between Marx and Madison/Jefferson/et al.
The Republicans must come down on the side of the latter.
Liberal Reader| 1.13.12 @ 10:44AM
You do understand that there are some rather devastating contradictions awaiting you in actual US history, don't you?
Jefferson loathed, he LOATHED, capitalism as we now think of it: credit, stocks, investment, a "money" economy. This represented to Jefferson everything he hated -- especially about England.
It was Hamilton, the father of American capitalism and father of American LIBERALISM, who had a vision of the capitalist economy we have today.
Liberal Reader| 1.13.12 @ 11:14AM
My point would be this: the real "fight" -- and it's more a productive tension -- in this country is between Jefferson and Hamilton.
Marx might be distinguished from Jefferson in that Jefferson, a true conservative, hated the constant innovation of capitalism -- "creative destruction" would have been anathema to him.
Marx thought capitalism was the greatest thing ever to have happened to humanity.
Most people, understandably, don't get this. Marx saw the terrible things capitalism did to people in his time, of course. He saw the abuse, squalor, and exploitation. But he also saw, miraculously, pretty much what exists today: the engine of free markets propelling the poor out of poverty all over the world by virtue of its unparalleled ability to create wealth.
Marx love the dynamism and creativity unleashed by capitalism and thought that communism -- again, believe it or not -- would look much like it, only better, since everyone would be reaping its rewards.
In other words, the strange historical irony is that Marx liked capitalism better than Jefferson!
Marx, of course, thought capitalism a step along the way to communism, which was its chief virtue. I expect most reading this wouldn't follow him that far. But he praised capitalism more eloquently and with more insight than most "conservative" politicians in America do today.
Margie| 1.13.12 @ 3:20PM
It's called FREE MARKET CAPITALISM. A difference with distinction, O Leftist Liar.
Nancy in NC| 1.13.12 @ 3:48PM
FREE Markets vs capitalism.
Liberal Reader| 1.14.12 @ 10:24AM
What a fascinating distinction. Care to explain?
Margie| 1.14.12 @ 2:43PM
It's simple, Liberal liar:
Free markets happen under conservative Presidents.
PUNISHMENT happens under Marxists like your pal, Obama.
Liberal Reader| 1.14.12 @ 5:22PM
You're right about one thing, Margie. It is simple.
Liberal Reader| 1.13.12 @ 10:39AM
It is a fallacy and a deception to convince people that they have to choose between 1880s style social darwinism and "marxist socialism."
That misses the great liberal compromise of the 20th century, where "liberal" does not mean "leftist" but rather a political vision that works for increasing political and economic autonomy of people, with the federal government playing an active but limited role.
It is active in that it provides for a modest social safety net, the size and strength of which gets debated by men of good faith.
It is limited in the sense that it never or rarely encroaches on the basic contours of markets. It does not, for example, nationalize banks (even when Republican-appointed bank regulators recommend it!) or seize the "means of production" under state control.
Of course if you reject all or some of this, I assume it's not because you're a fascist. The liberal institutions developed by this country are too powerful and pervasive to let fascism grow in our midst, no matter how like fascists some people start sounding. It's a free country; it's a liberal country, and the water you drink today will more than likely not be poison because we do not live in the dog-eat-dog world of your fantasies.
Appleby| 1.13.12 @ 3:12PM
The "social safety net" should be provided by private organizations such as the Salvation Army, which is 100% honest and which provides soup, soap and salvation to people as individuals, not as numbers on a form. The government has no business practicing charity with money that it has removed from citizens by force. That was demonstrated amply back in the days of Davy Crockett. ALL government-run "social safety nets" should be dismantled forthwith. Give the Sally Ann 10% of the money with no strings attached (that is, allow them to collect the money voluntarily from citizens who believe in a social safety net), and they will do the job the way it should be done. Reagan also had a suggestion: if every church in America looked after 10 people in need, within a year there would be no poverty in America. Anything wrong with that idea?
Liberal Reader| 1.13.12 @ 11:22PM
Well in the 19th century we had plenty of churches and plenty of Christianity; we had no income tax and the country was pretty much set up to be the utopia you seem to think it would be without a social safety net.
And what did we have? Most people over the age of 60 lived in grinding poverty. They died of hunger and preventable illness at a rate I think you'd find astonishing. The cities were teeming hives of squalor, crime, communicable disease, starvation. Children labored in factories instead of going to schoolrooms and no one could drink the water. But everyone had plenty of liberty and could keep every penny they earned -- which was a good thing, since most only earned a few pennies for their backbreaking work.
Honestly Appleby you can *say* how good life was back then, sitting in the comfort of your warm house, enjoying the benefits that all the advances of society in the 20th century afford you, but it's not very believable.
Liberal Emotional Prattler| 1.14.12 @ 8:12PM
Good thing with the social safety net we have now in the 21st century there is no longer any hunger and starvation, preventable illnesses and communicable diseases, cities teeming with squalor and crime, unsafe water, wasted money, or hard labor.
Not to mention had there been a social safety net in the 19th century they would of obviously had our current technology and therefore been able to use computers and televisions, had electricity and automobiles, and even been able to enjoy lunar landings and such.
Idiot.
Liberal Reader| 1.15.12 @ 1:07PM
Charming.
You seem to be saying that any comforts we enjoy today are entirely the result of technology. We have television, electricity, etc. I think to draw this conclusion would be to abandon one's common sense. But more power to you. It's a free country.
Liberal Emotional Prattle| 1.15.12 @ 6:39PM
prattle:
meaningless, foolish chatter; babbling noise
~
" {prattle} . . . liberal [means] a political vision that works for increasing political and economic autonomy of people, with the federal government playing an active but limited role . . . It is active in that it provides for a . . . social safety net . . . {prattle} . . ."
(Idiot Prattler 1.13.12 @ 10:39AM)
"The "social safety net" should be provided by private organizations . . .
(Appleby 1.13.12 @ 3:12PM)
"Well in the 19th century . . . {prattle, non sequiturs, prattle, prattle, more prattle}
(Idiot 1.13.12 @ 11:22PM)
"{exposition of Idiot Prattler's prattle}
(Liberal Emotional Prattler 11.14.12 @ 8:12PM)
"{prattle}"
(Idiot Prattler 1.15.12@ 1:07PM)
~
"The Heritage Foundation, in partnership with The Wall Street Journal has tracked the the march of economic freedom around the world with the influential Index of Economic Freedom"
(heritage.org)
"The Index covers 10 freedoms . . . "
(heritage.org)
business freedom
trade freedom
fiscal freedom
government spending
monetary freedom
investment freedom
financial freedom
property rights
freedom from corruption
labor freedom
United States rank (of 184 nations):
2012 - 10th (76.3)
2011 - 9th (77.8
2010 - 8th (78.0)
2009 - 6th (80.1)
2008 - 5th (80.6)
~
"{prattle} . . . It's a free country"
(Idiot Prattler 1.15.12 @ 1:07PM)
Less free each year, thanks to unintelligent and dishonest liberalism and emotionally prattling liberals devoid of reason and experience.
Idiot.
Larry| 1.14.12 @ 5:12AM
It may be a fallacy and a deception, you may actually have a point there, Liberal Reader. But you miss the larger point.
This situation has gone way beyond what was pushed in the 50s and 60s by the Left - when everybody sneered at conservatives and largely ignored them. But Ronald Reagan saw what was happening. He wanted to stop it from getting out of hand. Unfortunately, he did not have as broad a public support (nor Congressional votes) to make the kind of fundamental changes we needed in order to avoid the day of fiscal meltdown that awaits us, when the government won't even be able to afford to make the simplest Social Security and Medicare payments. But Reagan changed the terms of the debate. The Left has been fighting furiously to change the terms again, but that parlor game will have limited traction in 2012.
I am not a Social Darwinist. The "great liberal compromise" has failed, and failed miserably. Because it is phony to call it a "compromise." It isn't, because the Left doesn't want to stop pushing the myth of equality of result and the redistribution of wealth. If it was truly a compromise, the Democrats would have stopped advocating for national health insurance (where Obamacare is ultimately intended to lead) and would actually show some semblance of fiscal responsibility. They won't, however, because it's too easy for them to buy votes to stay in power when it suits their convenience. It is a laugh to call American liberalism of the 20th and 21st century a "compromise" solution. That is the real deception.
I know Marxist socialism when I see it. And Barack the Usurper is leading us in that direction. Oh, he might be generous and simply stop at a thorough European-style socialist "democracy." But we are seeing, particularly in Greece, where that will lead.
Liberal fascism is exactly what I call it, what Barack the Usurper is doing.
I'll stop here, because even though there is so much more that is fallacious about your arguments, I'd have to write a book to debunk them. Enough.
Liberal Reader| 1.14.12 @ 10:22AM
Thanks for your thoughtful and interesting response, Larry.
A few points.
1. Neither Reagan nor most mainstream Republicans in the 70s and 80s were all that interested in cutting Medicaid and Medicare, and I don't think they would have even dreamed of privatizing social security. It just wasn't on the political radar the way it is today, and Reagan was more pragmatic than today's Republican party.
2. There are many leftists who vote Democratic who would love there to be a national health insurance system on the model of Canada or England; others would like there to be a system like those they have in Germany, which is heavily regulated.
It's weird to conclude that these folks must be Marxists, unless you then want to say that Germany, England, Canada and all of these other countries are Marxist dictatorships. If this is your concern, please trouble yourself no longer. Each of these countries have free enterprise, small businesses, and capitalistic activity of all kinds -- unless you think BMW is a sort of central-planning tool of propaganda.
3. I'm not sure what you mean by calling Obama a "usurper." There was an election and he did win it. According to our Constitution, that means he's the president.
4. American is really not even close to being like Greece. You might as well say, "If Boehner is allowed to be Speaker, soon this country will be indistinguishable from North Korea." The comparison doesn't make any sense and just because they make on radio day and night doesn't make it any more illuminating or reasonable.
Food for thought.
Liberal Emotional Prattler| 1.14.12 @ 9:29PM
1.
"Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem" (Ronald Wilson Reagan)
"The federal government has taken too much tax money from the people, too much authority from the states, and too much liberty with the Constitution" (Ronald Wilson Reagan)
"No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear" (Ronald Wilson Reagan)
"As government expands, liberty contracts" (Ronald Wilson Reagan)
"Nations crumble from within when the citizenry asks of government those things which the citizenry might better provide for itself"
2.
"The Premier Of Canada's east coast province is undergoing heart surgery in the United States this week because the treatment he is seeking was not available in his home province." (Huffington Post, 2/2/10)
""A former NHS director died after waiting for nine months for an operation--at her own hospital," London's Daily Mail reports: . . . her appointments to go under the knife were cancelled four times . . ." (Wall Street Journal, 4/1/11)
3.
"A federal judge in Virginia ruled on Monday that the keystone provision in the Obama health care law is unconstitutional" (New York Times, 12/13/10)
4.
"The Government Debt in Greece was last reported at 142.8 percent of the country's GDP." (tradingeconomics.com, 1/13/12)
"The U.S. debt surpassed 100 percent of gross domestic product after the the government's debt ceiling was lifted, Treasury figures showed Wednesday, according to AFP." (foxnews.com, 8/4/11)
Idiot.
Liberal Reader| 1.15.12 @ 10:20AM
Well it's nice of you to call me an "idiot" and cut and paste a bunch of unrelated quotes. But I have a question. What's your point?
You need to speak for yourself. Make a claim. Substantiate with some kind of reasoning. That's what we do in political debate.
Now none of the Reagan quotes you offer in place of argument negate what I claimed above; the quotes about debt and Greece are disjointed and not indicative of anything in particular.
I'm sorry, Sir. Google will not do your work for you. You need to do it yourself.
Liberal Emotional Prattle| 1.15.12 @ 7:10PM
prattle:
meaningless, foolish chatter; babbling noise
~
"1. Neither Reagan nor . . . Republicans . . . were all that interested in cutting [government] . . . {prattle}"
(Idiot Prattler 1.14.12 @ 10:22AM)
"{exposition of Idiot Prattler's prattle with quotes of Ronald Wilson Reagan refuting Idiot Prattler's unintelligent and dishonest emotional prattle devoid of reason and experience}"
(Liberal Emotional Prattler 1.14.12 @ 9:29PM)
"2. It's weird to conclude . . . [leftists who] . . . [would love . . . a national health insurance . . . of Canada or England] . . . {prattle}"
(Idiot Prattler 1.14.12 @ 10:22AM)
"{exposition of Idiot Prattler's prattle with examples of Canada and England national health system refuting Idiot Prattler's unintelligent and dishonest emotional prattle devoid of reason and experience}"
(Liberal Emotional Prattler 1.14.12 @ 9:29PM)
"3. I'm not sure what you mean by calling Obama a "usurper . . . {prattle}"
(Idiot Prattler 1.14.12 @ 10:22AM)
"{exposition of Idiot Prattler's prattle with reason Obama can be considered someone wrongfully seizes a right by force refuting Idiot Prattler's unintelligent and dishonest emotional prattle devoid of reason and experience}"
(Liberal Emotional Prattler 1.14.12 @ 9:29PM)
"4. American [sic] is not really even close to being like Greece . . . {prattle, non sequitur, prattle}"
(Idiot Prattler 1.14.12 @ 10:22AM)
"{exposition of Idiot Prattler's prattle showing the debt of both Greece and the United States exceeding 100% of GDP refuting Idiot Prattler's unintelligent and dishonest emotional prattle devoid of reason and experience}"
(Liberal Emotional Prattler 1.14.12 @ 9:29PM)
~
"{whining prattle, more whining prattle} . . . {sniveling}"
(Idiot Prattler 1.15.12 @ 10:20AM)
~
prattle:
meaningless, foolish chatter; babbling noise
Idiot
Liberal Reader| 1.16.12 @ 12:51AM
This computer time is really not working out for you, dude. You need a hobby, or you're going to age fast. Already some of the wires are freezing up, aren't they?
Liberal Emotional Prattle| 1.16.12 @ 10:39AM
"{a posted comment, consisting of nothing more than emotional prattle, made by the poster, who is too unintelligent and too dishonest to realize the posted comment consists of nothing more than emotional prattle}
(Idiot Prattler 1.16.12 @ 12:51AM)
Pete| 1.13.12 @ 10:56AM
The Bain thing will be fun for them to twist and as the author notes, it will be good fodder to stir up the OWS dunces, but the fact that he is Mormon and (horror) white is really all they think they need. What I think they underestimate is how much damage they have done to their own credibility in the past 3 years. All but the willfully blind can see that their actions simply do not match their words. In other words, they lie. Not just some of the time, but all the time. What was it Lincoln said about fooling people?
Christopher C| 1.13.12 @ 3:17PM
I paraphrase, but Winston Churchill once observed that Americans always do the right thing, but only after they've tried everything else. And everything else might very well include a BHO second term. Because the "willfully blind" are just that, blind, and extremely willfully so. How many will be swayed in November by the idiot idealism of "social justice"? How many will seek some sort of refuge from personal autonomy in the hope that the state (i.e., other citizens) will provide for them?
Conversely, how many people see just how dark the USs' economic and social prospects are, without a repudiation of progressive philosophy? After all, you've have three to four generations now who've been marinated in progressivism throughout their educations. How many will be able to grasp what the issues facing the US really are, in time to make a course correction?
Just asking.
Gazinya| 1.13.12 @ 11:14AM
Geez! What's the problem. Simply compare Bain and Romney with The Obama, Holder, Nepalatano investments. What ever Bain did it didn't kill hundreds of foreign nationals and American citizens. It didn't lose $5 Trillion of other peoples money. It did not conspire to usurp or destroy this nation and its laws. All this The Obama IS doing.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 12:49PM
Except you are all wrong ... but that's your problem to solve.
Larry| 1.14.12 @ 5:14AM
Perp, you'd better start demonstrating some expertise in these threads, or else I'll sic Margie on you again! Lol!
1ConservativeUSA| 1.13.12 @ 11:37AM
It is Romney's job, and the job of conservatives, to explain capital and capitalism to the American people.
The argument is false to say that the purpose of capitalism is to "create jobs". No, capitalism is a system (made up of you and me) that allocates capital (purchasing power) to the most efficient and desired producers of goods and services (again, people like you and me).
We are talking about free choices made by free people.
Jobs, like machinery, equipment and technology, are tools used by businesses to produce goods and services. When a business succeeds, it earns profits, which usually results in economic growth via increased spending, investing and hiring.
Capitalism is not perfect. Conservatives realize that no system is perfect, nor is there a possibility of utopia, as dreamed about and promoted by liberals.
How can we not see that capitalism is the most effective system to raise the most people to prosperity? Can someone prove a better way? Can someone show me another system that has worked better?
If the American people cannot understand that free people, free markets and economic growth are the keys to our prosperity, then we deserve neither liberty, prosperity, or to keep the representative republic that We the People once so wisely formed.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 12:52PM
Agreed on capitalism. Free markets not so much. We don't have the "free market" and never have from the start of our nation. There has always been special considerations and allowances for whatever reason. What's changed is the 99% can now communicate 24/7.
1ConservativeUSA| 1.16.12 @ 11:00AM
Agreed there is no absolute "free market".
However, conservatives understand that there is no utopia; utopia is a liberal canard. We also know that where man is involved, there will be imperfections.
So, conservatives need to keep teaching and promoting capitalism and free markets, the systems we know lift the most people.
Christopher C| 1.13.12 @ 3:22PM
A variation on another Churchillian idea (at least I think it was him) - to paraphrase again: Democracy is the worst system of government except for all the others that have been tried. The variation? Capitalism is the worst form of economic organisation except for all the others .... etc.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 5:29PM
Agreed.
AGREED| 1.13.12 @ 12:25PM
Conservative1 - exactly.
Yesterday, I had a sobering moment on the WAPO blog responding to an article about Romney.
Around 6:45 a.m., the site was barraged with over 50 bloggers - who let it slip that they were paid, liberal, and in D.C. As time went on, they were warming up...insulting Republicans, insulting Republican candidates - using the most vile names and saying the most disgusting things imaginable.
They mischaracterized events in the media and all things conservative. These people weren't just on this site to make a comment and leave - they stayed until 4 p.m.
I have never seen anything like this - and the barrage of propaganda supporting Obama were clearly taught talking points, as they were being "schooled" by a moderator...and in the middle of the day, there was a huge message unlike any regular post - it was an Obama Fund Raising Request, along with encouragement for progressives/liberals to keep up the work and thanked them for showing up that day.
So the WAPO doesn't even pretend that it isn't a direct propaganda machine for the Messiah.
Their tactics are the lowest. The bloggers stated that they felt that the wealth distribution wasn't fair and that they felt that taking the wealth by force was acceptable.
Pete| 1.13.12 @ 1:13PM
Buy up ammo and gun company stocks....
Al Adab| 1.13.12 @ 2:34PM
Sturm Ruger up about 120% in the last year.
Oldefarte| 1.13.12 @ 1:14PM
Purp's typical comments sadly reflect his beliefs that '....Class warfare - why should the connected, elected and wealthy have a leg up and not compete on an equal playing field?....', which is definitive of his socialistic bent. Equality of results, not of opportunity, is the battlecry of liberals/progressives. Why? Simple, because they are all inept, lazy and STUPID. They waste their lives either on street corners blowing smoke up their noses, chasing their sisters or anything resembling a female for sexual gratification, or extending their hands out to income producers for a SHARE-THE-WEALTH moment. They're are useless, hopeless and worthless since they never have the desire to accompolish nor the intelligence to do so. They critisize those others than themsleves who do so achieve success out of envy, spite and resentment when compared to their own ineptness. They in a nutshell are NOTHINGS. Sadly, those of us who do accompolish have to financially assist and care for these NOTHINGS in life, in addition to providing for ourselves and our loved ones [its called governmental welfare paid for by the taxiation of income producers; or less so through private charitable activities]. These Chicago Community Organizers of Axelrod, Obama, Pilosi, Reid, Durbin etc are all religious followers of the jeremiah Wright School of Welfarism [oh and of GD, America also!] that are political intent upon invading the wallets of income producing taxpayers in order to extract their hard earned private wealth through governmental taxiation in order to provide governmental welfare benefits to themselves and to their fellow NOTHINGS in life. True, freedom of will rightfully grants to them the rights to be such, but not the rights to have the rest of us pay for their NOTHINGNESS, and therin lies the problems concerning the political climate of today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oldefarte| 1.13.12 @ 2:18PM
And if the Purp's of this world have the mental ability to read and to understand the following, it is strongly recommended that they all do so:
'..... Newsmax...Bain Founder: Staples Was 'Microcosm' of Romney Approach Friday, January 13, 2012 10:16 AM..By: Ronald Kessler...The creation of Staples was a “microcosm” of how Romney’s Bain Capital did business, according to Robert F. White, a friend of Mitt Romney and fellow Bain Capital founder.
As Bain Capital has become the focus of controversy in the race for the White House, the company and its partners have declined all requests for interviews by the media.But in a previously unpublished 2006 interview, White told Newsmax just how Bain Capital operated with Romney as its chief. In 1984, Romney and his colleagues founded Bain Capital as a venture capital firm and raised their first investment fund totaling $37 million.Mitt Romney then and now.White remembers when Tom Stemberg, the founder of Staples, came to Bain with the idea of revolutionizing the office supply industry by starting a chain of discount office supply stores.
At the time, office supplies were sold by small stores, and the stationery business was fragmented. The personal computer was a novelty, and self-employment was not common.
“Stemberg said office supplies were being delivered very inefficiently,” White said. “Small businesses were getting their office supplies through a distribution network that was very, very costly, and therefore the supplies had to be marked up two, three, four times.”“Stemberg told Bain, ‘If I could create a mega-store of office supplies, and I could get small business owners to drive to the store, we could substantially reduce the costs, and I could sell the office supplies at half price,’” White recalled. “Tom felt that small business owners would actually get in a car and drive to buy their office supplies because the savings would be so great,” White added.Many companies laughed at the idea of driving to a store to buy office supplies. But Stemberg told the future Republican presidential contender that businesses didn’t realize how much they spend on office supplies. He said the growing number of self-employed people who work at home would patronize a discount stationery store. To test his theory, Romney had Bain conductresearch.“Before we put money in any company, we try to validate the business premise,” White said. Bain associates called small businesses to determine how much they spent on office supplies and asked if they would drive to a retail store if they could save money.Companies would generally cite a low figure for what they thought were their office supply purchases and would say they would not drive to a store to buy office supplies. Stemberg suggested that Bain dig deeper and ask to check their invoices. When Bain did so, most of the companies were surprised to find that they were spending many times more than what they thought they were spending. Learning that, they agreed that they would drive to a store if they could save up to half their expenditures on office supplies.“The investment in Staples was a contrarian one, because you had to believe that small businesses would change their consumer behavior and would actually drive to a store to purchase their supplies,” White said. “We kept pushing and pushing and pushing. Several of the partners, including me, thought it was hard to get people to change their consumer behavior like that. Mitt was pushing back, and there were good debates about whether it would happen. But as opposed to just having opinions about it, we went and got the information by doing the analysis and research,” White said.
Romney agreed to put about $1 million of Bain Capital money into the new venture. Bain employees actually helped stock Staples’ first store in Brighton, Mass., in 1986.“He [Romney] made eight times his money in three years,” Stemberg says. The Romney campaign has said that Bain helped create 100,000 jobs while Romney was at its helm. That is clearly a gross underestimate. Today, Staples alone employs 90,000 people and has 2,000 stores. Over the years, that means more than a million people have had jobs because of Staples alone.Bain Capital went on to help launch or acquire more than 100 companies, including Domino’s Pizza, Sealy, Brookstone, The Sports Authority, Burger King, Burlington Coat Factory, Dunkin’ Donuts, and Toys "R" Us. Bain also looked for troubled companies that had good potential if the strategy were changed and management was improved. In a handful of cases, Bain bet wrong, and the companies had to declare bankruptcy. But because of Staples and other successful investments, Bain Capital now manages $66 billion in assets. As noted in my story "Media Ignore Romney’s Success at Creating Jobs," the press has focused on the failures — even looking at companies’ prospects years after Bain sold its interest — and ignored the successes.At the same time, says Dave Keene, former chairman of the American Conservative Union, “We see Republican candidates turning into quasi-Marxists by attacking Romney’s free-enterprise approach.” He calls that “outrageous.”
The ACU runs the annual Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) and publishes an annual “Rating of Congress,” the gold standard for assessing the ideology of members of Congress. “Staples is a microcosm of how we did business,” said White, who gave the 2006 interview for the Newsmax magazine story "Romney to the Rescue" and is now helping Romney with his presidential campaign. “We met with managers to understand their businesses, assessed the potential risks and competitive challenges, and identified opportunities to help their companies grow,” White said.Each time Romney looked into an opportunity, he submerged himself in data, analyzed the business, and then was willing to take risks if his instincts told him growth opportunities existed, White said.“The first thing Mitt recognizes, and has always recognized, is that it’s all about the people, it’s all about the team,” White said. “So he is very good at selecting and recruiting really talented people.”
Second, White added, “He’s not intimidated by having very, very smart people with strong opinions around him. And he creates an atmosphere that encourages debate. It’s how we worked together every day at Bain Capital. You get the data and then after you hear all the varying views, you make a decision.” .....'
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 5:34PM
Newsmax, right. If all this is so true, then Perry and Newt should be exposed on Fixed News for all the glory and amazing benevolence of Bain that provided all the workers it saved or created new jobs for. And, it will not be hard to defend his work at Bain, now will it?
So, we'll see what reports are really the truth. Somehow, I'm thinking profit over people won out at Bain.... but we'll see.
Larry| 1.14.12 @ 5:15AM
Oldefarte, just start calling him "Perp," and maybe he'll get so p.o.ed that he'll just quit. Lol!
Petronius| 1.13.12 @ 1:18PM
AGREED
This will happen because most people learn economics in the kindergarten sandbox and never progress beyond it. Remember when you were five years old and told you had to share everything? That was drilled into your infantile skull before you knew what Ownership was. And that concept is totally alien to most people along with the next thing they don't understand: Value. The next thing they learn is the false premises and promises of altruism. That bubble gets popped when they discover that real life is competition. This sends them crying buckets to mommy government that "it's not fair!" And so it goes. This is what motivates the Left: the belief that on overweaning government can remove all the pain and unpleasantness from life by running the world like Kindergarten. Today there are so many who want that baby life style back, this country cannot recover. They are dead weight, barnacles on our ship of state. The day is fast approaching when the producers will finally give up and sit on their hands. Then we'll see who survives. It certainly won't be the infantile Occupying mob.
CopyKatnj| 1.13.12 @ 3:13PM
Is PURP a paid troll?
Nancy in NC| 1.13.12 @ 3:52PM
He isn't good enough to be paid. He's just a pain in the ass.
Osamas Pajamas| 1.13.12 @ 4:04PM
Purp is a perp.
Larry| 1.14.12 @ 5:16AM
There you go. Perp, this guy has the right idea! Lol!
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 5:36PM
Naw, they just don't like me messing in their little right-wing sandbox where they can trash any non- ultraconservative and especially Obama, and where they can so agree with each other.
Now, if they want to pay me... okay, im game.
Larry| 1.14.12 @ 5:17AM
You obviously don't have a real job, then, if you are wanting to be paid to get off this blog. Lol!
W| 1.14.12 @ 9:21AM
Purp
I don't want you to leave. We need a lefty here to mock and you are a good sport.
Don Rose| 1.13.12 @ 3:15PM
Just in the name of historic accuracy I would like to point out that it was I alone, rather than with my late associate David Canter, who wrote a letter of recommendation to the Chicago Tribune in support of a journalistic interneship for the young David Axelrod. To further clarify the possibly misleading juxtaposition of our names, though I indeed had deep roots in the "left," they were not the same as those of David and his father Harry.
rdman| 1.13.12 @ 4:06PM
Margie, he hasn't any concept of or a conscience to comprehend what repentance is... he and his gang of cretins are Atheists and Evil!!
Margie| 1.13.12 @ 4:45PM
True.. unless of course he DID know Christ at some point in his life, and that would make him a Judas.
And there is nothing worse than a Judas.
Nick| 1.13.12 @ 6:02PM
Margie,
What are these "pretended signs and wonders" that the Pope has supposedly done "already"?
Do you have anything like facts to support this, or, is this just another phony assertion, on your part?
God Bless!
Margie| 1.13.12 @ 6:24PM
I'm not the one with the phony assertions, your Vatican is!!
They're the ones going around pretending to be Christ on Earth, having their cult followers bow to them like fools, and telling them to worship Mary as Mother of God, teaching lies like when you tale the Lord's Supper you're committing cannibalism!
And do your fraudulent and ungodly Popes not also have to "do miracles" as some sort of requirement" to be Pope??
Or is that for the lunacy of who they can be considered a "saint?"
Ah, Nick the Pope worshipper.. always pontificating, but never arriving at a knowledge of the truth. 2 Tim. 3.
Nick| 1.13.12 @ 7:03PM
Margie,
"They're the ones going around pretending to be Christ on Earth, having their cult followers bow to them like fools, and telling them to worship Mary as Mother of God, teaching lies like when you tale the Lord's Supper you're committing cannibalism!"
Nothing in that sentence is even close to being true. And, I have corrected you numerous times about all four bogus claims. Yet, you still write them, because your ignorance is invincible.
"And do your fraudulent and ungodly Popes not also have to "do miracles" as some sort of requirement" to be Pope??"
No, they do not. Again, where do get this complete garbage? If you are going to hate the teachings of the Catholic Church, isn't it incumbent on you to know what She actually teaches?
Which is not the tripe you constantly copy and paste.
God Bless!
Margie| 1.13.12 @ 7:34PM
"Nothing in that sentence is even close to being true."
Poor Nick, he has to deny what his own cult teaches!!
Nick| 1.13.12 @ 8:18PM
Poor Margie, she has to make bogus assertions about what the Catholic Church teaches.
Because, her ignorance is invincible.
To paraphrase the movie The Princess Bride, "You keep using this word liar. I do not think it means what you think it means."
Margie| 1.13.12 @ 8:53PM
The deceit is astonishing!!
First he says they don't do miracles, then he says they do and they aren't pretended.
You're a lying Idolator, kiddo.
Nick| 1.13.12 @ 11:24PM
Margie,
Read what you wrote, again. You made it sound like the Pope is going around claiming that he's performing miracles. You also claimed, wrongly, that Pope has to perform miracles to be elected pope.
You didn't say anything about past popes, i.e., those that have fallen asleep in Christ, and are declared saints. Next time, be more clear, okay?
God Bless!
Liberal Reader| 1.13.12 @ 11:25PM
Inconceivable!
Margie| 1.16.12 @ 3:49PM
Liberal Reader.. another liar for the Popes who preach a Satanic gospel.
See below Scripture, Pope Idolator.
rhoetus| 1.15.12 @ 12:17PM
You self-labeled Christians bashing self-labeled Christians should take your non-sense over to the "Christianity Today" website.
Nick| 1.15.12 @ 3:35PM
rhoetus,
You should start your own website. That way, you would be well within your rights to tell other commentators what they should, and should not, do in the comboxes.
Margie| 1.13.12 @ 6:43PM
No pretended miracles, eh, Nick?
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2.....firms-mir/
Nick| 1.13.12 @ 7:04PM
No, they are not pretended. And they are not limited to the Pope.
Many saints have miracles attributed to them.
Margie| 1.13.12 @ 7:31PM
I'm sorry for you, that are utterly deceived.
So, now you have to admit it.
You lied.
And Nick, the Popes are FRAUDS.
They are not Christ's "Vicars" on Earth, they are LYING.
And to pretend to be so.. it just proves they are frauds.
And God's Word says that the same, those who behave this way.. who make themselves GOD~ (which is what the Devil has ALWAYS done), that out of such comes the Anti-Christ. I''d say they've been preparing for centuries.
"Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembling to meet Him, we beg ou, brethren, not to be quickly shaken in mind or excited, either by spirit or by word, or by letter purporting to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.
Let no one deceive you in any way; for that Day will not come, unless the Rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the Temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you this?
And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time.
For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.
And then the lawless one will be revealed, and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of His Mouth and destroy him by His appearing and His coming.
The coming of the lawless one by the activity of Satan will be with all power and with pretended signs and wonders,
and with all wicked deception for those who are to perish, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false,
so that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness." 2 Thess. 2:1-12.
Nick| 1.13.12 @ 8:15PM
Margie,
I do not lie. And, the Pope is Christ's Vicar.
"Do not return evil for evil or reviling for reviling; but on the contrary bless, for to this you have been called, that you may obtain a blessing." - 1 Peter 3:9
God Bless!
Margie| 1.13.12 @ 8:51PM
You revile the Word of God with your perverting of His Words.
So does your Religious cult.
And I don't bless you for it~ I call fraud and liar.
Nick| 1.13.12 @ 11:25PM
To paraphrase the movie The Princess Bride, "You keep using this word liar. I do not think it means what you think it means."
Margie| 1.14.12 @ 8:05PM
"I do not lie. And, the Pope is Christ's Vicar."
The "Pope" is a liar and an utter fraud.
He needs to repent of playing God on Earth... so says the WORD of GOD:
"For there is one God, and there is one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony to which was borne at the proper time." 1 Tim. 2:5 & 6.
God doesn't take well to lying frauds:
"But for the cowardly and faithless ones,
and disgusting ones, and murderers, and
fornicators, and users of magic, and idolaters,
and all liars, their part will be in the
Lake burning with fire and brimstone,
which is the second death." Rev. 21:8.
GENTLE ENOUGH FOR YA??
Nick| 1.14.12 @ 11:25PM
"Do not return evil for evil or reviling for reviling; but on the contrary bless, for to this you have been called, that you may obtain a blessing." - 1 Peter 3:9
Margie, May God Bless you and Victor.
Margie| 1.13.12 @ 7:32PM
Miracles are only done in the Name of Jesus, not the "Pope."
And to add blasphemy upon blasphemy.. he supposedly does them while he's DEAD??
Nick| 1.13.12 @ 8:13PM
Margie,
Again, your rage and anger blinds you to what I wrote. The Pope, or any other saint, does not do the miracle. Miracles are performed by the power of God. The two miracles are attributed to the intercessory prayer of the saint, whether Pope, priest, or layman.
I hope that I made this is clearer for you.
Margie| 1.13.12 @ 8:43PM
Nick,
Your lying makes me sick.
But then, that is what the disgusting do.
Rev. 21:8.
Nick| 1.13.12 @ 11:27PM
To paraphrase the movie The Princess Bride, "You keep using this word liar. I do not think it means what you think it means."
"So put away all malice and all guile and insincerity and envy and all slander." - 1 Peter 2:1
Margie| 1.14.12 @ 8:06PM
Well then, hadn't you better quit slandering the Word of God??
Nick| 1.14.12 @ 11:20PM
Margie,
You need to put away your malice and guile and insincerity and envy and slander.
Or, in your case, your libel against the Catholic Church.
Margie| 1.15.12 @ 1:53AM
Oooh, libel against the Catholic church!!
BRING IT!!!
For the Catholic "church" HATES the Word of God, and PERVERTS the Gospel of GRACE.
Nick| 1.15.12 @ 3:30PM
Margie,
I "BRING IT" every time you make false assertions about the Catholic Church's teachings. Or, copy 'n paste bogus and phony quotes from some anti-Catholic website.
God Bless!
Margie| 1.16.12 @ 3:46PM
Nick:
The things I posted are TRUE, so the only thing you "bring" is Apostacy.
You're a fraud, along with the VATICAN and the lying Satanic Popes who claim AGAINST the WORD of GOD (and Jesus is the Word of God!) that Mary was sinless placing her as God.
Jesus Christ is the only MEDIATOR between God and MAN.
You are a liar and Reprobate Pope Idolator preaching a different Gospel.
"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we preached to you, let him be accursed.
As we have said before, so now I say again, If any one is preaching to you a gospel contrary to that which you received, let him be accursed." Gal. 1:8 & 9.
So, guess what Nick?
This means you are accursed. And your CULT of Popes are accursed.
Repent, liar!
Nick| 1.16.12 @ 6:57PM
Margie,
"The things I posted are TRUE [...]."
Umm, no, they are the complete opposite of true. They are false. And, I proved that they were false.
"Jesus Christ is the only MEDIATOR between God and MAN."
Yes, we completely agree on this point of Scripture.
Galatians 1 shows that the teachings of the Apostles were preserved by the Catholic Church, because the Apostle's disciples, like Saints Clement of Rome and Ignatius of Antioch, cursed the phony gospels that were preached, and kept the true Gospel of Christ.
Margie| 1.13.12 @ 6:59PM
"or, is this just another phony assertion, on your part?"
I notice, how like the SNAKE that you are, you say this, for it isn't me that lies repeatedly, both about me and in Whom I believe but the Scriptures themselves. Not only that, but you lie openly and blatantly about what your own cult teaches, demanding links and writings from said Catholic teaches and then when I do, you REFUSE to admit you've been had, and continue saying that isn't what it teaches!!
Face it, you're an Idolator, a liar, and an utterly disingenuous person.
You have been taught well. You believe as your cult teaches you, that the only true church is the Catholic church, and that Bible believing Christians are heretics, including those whom your cult Murdered for six centuries.
Yesterday you said you never said it, you lied, and I posted your old post where you said it.
And yet, like a good despicable lying Pope worshipper~ you will continue blatantly lying about my person.. it's the same Satan your Papists served, that you serve today.
Nick| 1.13.12 @ 7:17PM
Margie,
"Not only that, but you lie openly and blatantly about what your own cult teaches, demanding links and writings from said Catholic teaches and then when I do"
I deny nothing. You make bogus claims, like the Blessed Virgin Mary is the "Mother of the Trinity". Something the Catholic Church has never taught. You then copy and paste quotes from the Catechism of the Catholic Church that do not back-up your bogus claims.
Maybe your rage and anger over the Catholic Church is blinding you to what is actually written in the C.C.C.? You seem to see words that aren't there.
"Yesterday you said you never said it, you lied, and I posted your old post where you said it."
Again, your rage is blinding you. I never wrote any such thing. I stated that I never made any "rabid" post about Martyrs Mirror. I never did. You were mistaken, as usual.
You just keep on making phony claims about the Catholic Church, and I'll keep on knocking them down, like the house-of-cards that they are.
God Bless!
Margie| 1.13.12 @ 7:23PM
Aww, Nick. I don't have any rage.. God is taking care of the Evil Papists as we speak.
I DO hate liars and cults, though. And you serve Satan himself because you lie repeatedly, as I said.
Satan IS the Father of liars. Jn. 8:44.
I posted the Vatican's own phony catechism. It states that Mary is the Mother of God. Odd, isn't it, how Catholic cultists deny this, yet they teach it!
Your insanity is blinding you, Nick.
And you certainly said you thought the Martyrs were heretics. Must I grab your post again??
Nick| 1.13.12 @ 8:09PM
Margie,
"God is taking care of the Evil Papists as we speak."
Are you claiming to speak for God, now?
"It states that Mary is the Mother of God. Odd, isn't it, how Catholic cultists deny this, yet they teach it!"
Again, where do you get this garbage? Catholics do not deny that the Blessed Virgin Mary is the Mother of God. To the contrary, we proudly proclaim it. I would shout it from the rooftops, if it wasn't so cold today.
Your rage and anger blinds you to your own words. You claimed, wrongly, that Our Lady was the "Mother of the Trinity". This IS NOT a teaching of the Catholic Church. Got it?
Margie| 1.13.12 @ 8:38PM
"Are you claiming to speak for God, now?"
Round n' round the Papist goes, where he stops... well, he never does.
"Are you claiming to speak for God, now?"
Christians are sorta ambassadors.. for His Truth. But if you actually read the Bible, you'd know that. Your sick cult teaches you that "Popes" are God, and you bow to them.
I bow to no man but Christ, the Son of the living God.
And I know for a fact that the Bible says Murderers and liars and disgusting people go to Hell.
So, yeah, you could say I'm speaking here FOR Him, as in ON HIS SIDE for Him.
Since Popes are frauds, and not doing the Will of God, since they preach another Gospel, and not that of Jesus Christ, guess what?
Ever hear that old saying about having Hell to pay??
Read it here in case you haven't:
"But for the cowardly and faithless ones,
and disgusting ones, and murderers, and
fornicators, and users of magic, and idolaters,
and all liars, their part will be in the
Lake burning with fire and brimstone,
which is the second death." Rev. 21:8.
Better watch out, Nick~ you're a liar for them.!!
And as to "the Trinity"~ it isn't taught in Scripture.
Your cult thought it up.. and place Mary as Mother of God over it.
So... you're a liar, kiddo. And a deceiver!
Lotsa luck, idiot.
Nick| 1.13.12 @ 11:34PM
Margie,
"Your sick cult teaches you that "Popes" are God, and you bow to them."
No, we don't. And, you know that we don't. Yet, you keep repeating it. This is why your ignorance is invincible.
"Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Look to yourself, lest you too be tempted." - Galatians 6:1
God Bless!
Tom near Boston| 1.13.12 @ 8:23PM
Ay yi yi. Margie, have you ever read Paul Kengor's "God and Ronald Reagan?" One of the best books I've ever read. I'm frankly amazed it's not more widely discussed.
Anyway, note the respect that Reagan -- a committed and I'd say spectacularly effective Evangelical -- afforded to his friend Judge Clark and his good-natured interest in things Catholic. That's walking the Christian walk, God rest his soul.
By the way, here's an idle fantasy -- what if miracles were reported after praying in the name of Ronald Reagan? (His mother Nell Reagan reportedly did some powerful faith healing, actually) Would the Vatican someday proclaim the first protestant saint?
St. Ronaldus Maximus. Hmm.
Now that I think about it, the election of Rick Santorum would be a good start.
Margie| 1.13.12 @ 8:40PM
Walking the Christian walk means you don't allow liars to lie, sorry.
Also, there is no respect earned for liars, and especially cults.
So... there!
Margie| 1.13.12 @ 8:41PM
Miracles are only done in the Name of Jesus, not the Pope.. sorry!!
Margie| 1.13.12 @ 8:49PM
By the way, saints are made saints by Jesus, not the Popeys.
Saints are those who believe in Jesus, ACCORDING to His Words, and OBEY them.
ANd.. they are LIVING, in the here and now. They aren't "appointed" by some fraud wearing a robe and claiming to be Christ's "Vicar" on Earth.
If you ever read the Bible, you'd know this.
Catholicism is utterly fraudulent.
Tom near Boston| 1.16.12 @ 8:09PM
Being fallen, I often fail to resist temptation. Here goes:
Hey Margie, you're right. Miracles are only done in the name of Jesus. Saints merely ask for them. A saint is anyone in the presence of the Lord. You're right. That IS living. They aren't "appointed." (Though maybe "elect.")
You are right, the Bible is the word of God, inspired by Him, penned by men.
Oh, by the way -- name the "satanic" organization that compiled it, Margie.
Larry| 1.14.12 @ 5:20AM
I usually don't respond to Margie's anti-Catholic bigotry, Nick, because I still like her feisty kind of conservatism. But it is no use arguing with her. It is no use, so don't even try.
W| 1.14.12 @ 2:02PM
Larry
You are correct that there is no point trying to have a rational debate, but she is not a real conservative.
A real true conservative is not a bigot like her. She just happens to vote for some issues as we do but she is no conservative.
Margie| 1.14.12 @ 8:07PM
"W" ~~ One of THEE most VILE creatures existing on the Earth today.
I hope you repent, "W" Troll, but if you don't~ I hope you BURN.
W| 1.15.12 @ 11:51AM
MullahMargie
Another fatwa from the Mullah of Muenster.
I would be worried if you liked me.
Go play with your snakes and emails, bigot.
Margie| 1.15.12 @ 12:30PM
Troll "W"
God HATES liars!!
W| 1.15.12 @ 1:03PM
MullahMargie
Are you now channeling God, Mullah? By God you mean Jesus Christ, but your little cult does not believe Jesus is God, right Mullah?
Go play with your snakes and emails, bigot.
Nick| 1.14.12 @ 2:28PM
Larry,
I appreciate the advice. But, I just can't leave misinformation about the Catholic Church stand unanswered.
I try to follow the command of Saint Peter:
"Always be prepared to make a defense to any one who calls you to account for the hope that is in you, yet do it with gentleness and reverence; and keep your conscience clear, so that, when you are abused, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame. For it is better to suffer for doing right, if that should be God's will, than for doing wrong." - 1 Peter 3:15-17
I often fall short of the "gentleness and reverence" part, but, I'm working on that. Besides, it's up to the Holy Spirit to change hearts, not us. And, maybe these exchanges are helping others out. Who knows? All things are possible with God.
God Bless!
Margie| 1.14.12 @ 2:36PM
No king but KING JESUS!!!
Margie| 1.14.12 @ 8:17PM
What Nick defends is the Vatican~ along with its FRAUDS who teach BLASPHEMOUS teachings and PERVERT the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Catholicism is an Apostate Religion, always has been always will be:
"And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all who have been slain on earth." Rev. 18:24.
Nick| 1.14.12 @ 11:14PM
Margie,
I defend the Gospel of Christ and His Church.
"Always be prepared to make a defense to any one who calls you to account for the hope that is in you, yet do it with gentleness and reverence; and keep your conscience clear, so that, when you are abused, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame. For it is better to suffer for doing right, if that should be God's will, than for doing wrong." - 1 Peter 3:15-17
Margie| 1.15.12 @ 1:51AM
No, you don't, you defend the Satanic Vatican.
I hope you repent.
So... which one of the teachings is untrue, Papist?
Let's hear it!!
Nick| 1.15.12 @ 3:41PM
Margie,
"So... which one of the teachings is untrue, Papist?"
Let's hear what? To what teachings are you referring?
Could you be a little more clear, please?
MikeG| 1.13.12 @ 9:01PM
Margie the Idiot
Do you have anything to say besides you hate the popes and catholics? The Purp looks good compared to you. My apologies to Purp for suggesting you to him.
Margie| 1.14.12 @ 2:39PM
Look out! Here comes the WORD OF GOD, Papists!!
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.." Deut. 6:4.
Con Chef (NB) | 1.15.12 @ 6:09PM
The Jew hater posts verses about Israel, et decries "unbelieving Jews."
Apostate hypocrite.
Margie| 1.16.12 @ 3:40PM
You're a pervert, Con Artist Chef. A pervert and a liar.
BURN IN HELL, you fraud.
Nick| 1.16.12 @ 6:48PM
This is not how a Christian acts, at all, Margie.
When did Christ tell anyone to "BURN IN HELL"?
A real Christian PRAYS for his enemies. No matter what they do.
You seem to have forgotten this teaching of Christ:
"But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you [...] For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? [...] You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect." - Matthew 5: 44, 46, 48
Margie| 1.14.12 @ 4:40PM
And furthermore:
"But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.
For if some one comes and preaches another Jesus than the one we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you submit to it readily enough." 2 Cor. 11:3 & 4.
Nick| 1.14.12 @ 6:39PM
Margie,
I've shown you, several times, the many errors of Pastor Testa. And, then, you threw him under...oops! I made a promise, and I will keep it.
Nevertheless, you keep copying and pasting Testa's error-riddled anti-Catholic propaganda. Here's just one more example:
"Many Bible students see the number of the beast (Rev. 13:18), 666 in the Roman letters of the Pope's title: 'VICARIVS FILII DEI.'"
No pope has EVER had this title. As in NEVER. This still doesn't stop people from repeating this falsehood, and, looking foolish and ignorant at the same time.
You really should start doing your own research, Margie. Stop trusting these snake-oil salesmen.
God Bless!
Margie| 1.14.12 @ 7:49PM
Riiiight, Papist!! Because none of the things listed are actually TRUE???
Heh, you're such a deceiver!!
Nick| 1.14.12 @ 11:12PM
Margie,
Do you think that I actually read through all of that drivel which you copied and pasted? Especially, since I have shown you Pastor Testa's numerous falsehoods, in the past, and you still post them.
This is called Invincible Ignorance. And you suffer from a severe case of it. Which saddens me.
So, yes, I would guess that nothing from Pastor Testa is actually true.
God Bless!
Margie| 1.15.12 @ 1:42AM
Heh, if it's drivel, then you consider your cult's teachings as phony.
Interesting, Papist!!
Nick| 1.15.12 @ 3:18PM
Margie,
No, it's drivel because it is filled with so many factual errors, and, sometimes outright frauds. Like the phony title for the popes, which is a complete fabrication. Get it now?
Papist Dan| 1.14.12 @ 7:06PM
BIGOT ALERT!!!!BIGOT ALERT!!!!
BigotIdiotMargie has crawled out from under her rock, head spinning, mouth foaming, spewing forth her daily bigotry. She has no life except to act as a bigot.
She is not even a Christian but lectures us on Christianity. She doesn't believe that Jesus is God. She doesn't believe in the Trinity. She belongs to some ananbaptist cult whose ancestors practiced polygamy in Muenster.
She is also too stupid to understand anything posted as a reply to her.
Go ahead IdiotMargie, post some more drivel.
Margie| 1.14.12 @ 7:50PM
Oooh, another one, old Pappy Boy!!
Well, well, well. Now why isn't it a big surprise that Pope worshippers come crawling out from under their rocks to once again DENY that what they teach is .. actually what they teach!!!
Margie| 1.14.12 @ 8:18PM
OF THE UNGODLY AND FALSE CHURCH, WHICH IS THE OPPOSITE OF THE CHURCH OF GOD, AND THE ORIGIN, PROGRESS AND SUCCESSION OF THE SAME THROUGH ALL TIMES
http://www.homecomers.org/mirror/martyrs007.htm
RCV| 1.14.12 @ 10:45PM
Margie quotes an old anti-Catholic diatribe published in 1929 by "Rev." (self-proclaimed) Stephen L. Testa, a crank anti-Catholic preacher who was based out of Los Angeles at a time when itinerant religious hucksters were all the rage in Southern California (think Aimee Semple McPherson). Though he is long gone, his vile and unscholarly work is a favorite screed of anti-Catholic bigots.
Nick| 1.14.12 @ 11:31PM
RCV,
Thanks for the info. I'd never heard of the man before Margie started posting his error-filled propaganda. I thought he was just some pastor with a website!
I hope God had mercy on his soul.
God Bless!
Margie| 1.15.12 @ 1:49AM
This is why you aren't Christians, but Idolators. You deny the Scriptures, you deny God!!
I hope you liars repent, because unless you do, you will burn, as it is written in Rev. 21:8.
Once again the Pope worshippers deny what their own cult teaches!!
They cannot bear to even have it written before their very eyes, but I bring it here for all to see, and do their own research.. all those who have eyes to see and ears to see.
As it is written:
"Then I heard another voice from Heaven saying, "Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues;
for her sins are heaped high as Heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities." Rev. 18:4 & 5.
Come out of her!
Follow the Jesus of the Bible, and not the Vicar of Satan!!
RCV| 1.15.12 @ 12:11PM
Jesus is God, Margie. That's the central truth and tenet of Christianity, which you've missed. It must have been a cultist from the Jehovah's Witnesses who gave you that Bible many years ago, because you share their same misconception about God's nature: you believe that Jesus and the Father are not one, that Jesus is a separate and lesser being than the Father, even though John's Gospel teaches us that they were one from the beginning. As I've noted before, and as readers of TAS all know, you are either a polytheist or a denier that Christ is God. In either case, such beliefs are not Christian.
RCV| 1.15.12 @ 1:02PM
So, you're on the public dole?
Before you call me "liar", please tell specifically how I have misrepresented you views about Christ's nature.
You are the true idolator - you worship a book, not God himself - Biblotry - without understanding what that book teaches us about God.
RCV| 1.15.12 @ 1:05PM
It's a good thing Obama worked hard to get those unemployment benefit extensions for you! $549 of government money per week for two and a half years. Quite a testament to tea party principles!
W| 1.15.12 @ 1:08PM
No wonder the Mullah has time to post bigotry all day long. She is on the public dole. And she said here she has a business on ebay, are you reporting to NJ that you have a business while collecting UC?
RCV| 1.15.12 @ 1:15PM
I sure hope so, because welfare fraud is a very serious crime - no kidding. And with constant pressure from tea part types, state and federal government authorities are stepping up enforcement actions, as they should. You haven't been LYING to them, have you, Margie?
Nick| 1.15.12 @ 4:13PM
Margie,
"NOTICE: They did not DENY that any of the teachings I posted are untrue!!"
That statement is untrue.
I DO NOT deny ANY of the actual teachings of the Catholic Church.
I DO deny the MISREPRESENTATIONS of the teachings of the Catholic Church, which you constantly copy 'n paste here.
See, I'll show you: I, Nick from Detroit, agrees fully with the Catholic Church's teaching that Our Lady, the Blessed Virgin Mary, was born WITHOUT sin and is properly called MOTHER OF GOD. And, that the Holy Eucharist truly contains the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
Is that clear enough for you?
I, Nick from Detroit, will also state, for the record, that the Catholic Church DOES NOT teach that Mary is the MOTHER OF THE TRINITY. Or, that the Holy Father PRETENDS to be God on earth. Or, that the eating the Holy Eucharist is cannibalism.
Quit misstating the facts, Margie.
God Bless!
Margie| 1.15.12 @ 7:34PM
"See, I'll show you: I, Nick from Detroit, agrees fully with the Catholic Church's teaching that Our Lady, the Blessed Virgin Mary, was born WITHOUT sin and is properly called MOTHER OF GOD. And, that the Holy Eucharist truly contains the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
Is that clear enough for you?"
That's what you believe, Nick~ and it makes you a heretic, and not a Christian, because those things are utterly false and unbiblical.
What you are choosing to listen to is SATAN and not Christ. These things you choose to believe are not contained in the Bible, and are perverted teachings that are taught by your CULT.
"Any one who goes ahead and does not abide in the Doctrine of Christ does not have God; he who abides in the doctrine has both the Father and the Son." 2 Jn. 1:9.
RCV| 1.15.12 @ 8:33PM
You are the heretic non-Christian, Margie, because you are either a polytheist or believe that Jesus is not God. If you don't accept the Trinity, or at least accept that Jesus and the Father are one being (you can choose to believe what you want about the nature of the Holy Spirit, I suppose), those are the resultant choices, and neither is a Christian belief. Which is it, Margie? And don't evade the question by just saying, "I believe what the Bible says".
Margie| 1.15.12 @ 8:51PM
RCV: You know better.
Why do you choose to be so disingenuous??
Popes and their minions used to torture and kill Bible believing Christians who refused to accept this Catholic teaching.
It isn't in the Bible.. and as a Christian, I do not have to accept a teaching that calls God a Trinity, sorry!!
Nowhere in the Bible does God call Himself that, nor did Jesus, nor did the Apostles, so why should I??
Just because an Apostate Religion formed by heretics came along after Jesus and made it up??
No~ I believe all that is written in the Bible~ all that God says about Himself, and all that Jesus says about Himself.
The heresy is on the part of the CULT that teaches Mary is sinless, making Her "Mother of God!!!!!"
You know better, you are a "learned" man, yet you choose to reject the Gospel as well.. you have said so.. you do not believe the Bible contain the inerrant Words of God.. and you also have proclaimed Homosexuality to not be SIN.. so according to the TRUTH, that makes YOU the Heretic!!
Christians believe every Word of God, Catholics believe the lying fraudulent Pope.
Here's EXACTLY what I believe, and it is from the Bible (God's Own Words:
(And I have posted this repeatedly, but the liars and Papists continue to say it is ME that is the Heretic.. to their own shame):
"..giving thanks to the Father, who has
made us fit for a share of the inheritance
of the saints in light,
who delivered us out of the authority
of darkness, and transferred us into the
kingdom of the Son of His love,
in whom we have redemption through
His blood, the remission of sins;
who is the image of the invisible God,
the First-begotten of all creation.
For all things were created in Him, the
things in the heavens, and the things on
the earth, the visible and the invisible;
whether thrones, or lordships, or rulers, or
authorities, all things have been created
through Him and for Him.
And He is before all things, and all
things have subsisted in Him.
And He is the Head of the body, the
Assembly, who is the Beginning, the Firstborn
out of the dead ones that He having
first place in all things;
because all the fullness was pleased to
dwell in Him,
and through Him making peace by the
blood of His cross, to reconcile all things to
Himself; through Him, whether the things
on the earth, or the things in the heavens.
And you then being alienated and a
hostile one in your mind by evil works,
but now He reconciled
in the body of His flesh, through death,
to present you holy and without blemish
and irreproachable before Him,
if indeed you continue in the faith having
been founded and steadfast, and not being
moved away from the hope of the gospel
which you heard, the one being proclaimed
in all the creation under the heaven,
of which I, Paul, became a servant." Col. 1:12-23.
Do YOU believe this??
RCV| 1.15.12 @ 9:29PM
Your hatred of Catholicism, Margie, blinds you from seeing an inescapable truth. The Gospel of John confirms that the Word - Jesus - was with God in the beginning, AND WAS GOD. That the Word, Jesus, became flesh and walked among us.
It doesn't matter that the word "trinity" doesn't appear in the Bible. The words of John's Gospel confirm for us that Jesus and God the Father were One Being from the beginning. Jesus himself old us that He and the Father were One, that He is in the Father, and the Father is in Him.
If we accept these words from the Gospel, what do the mean? That's what the Term "trinity" simply means: that Jesus, the Son, the Word; and the Father; and what we call the Holy Spirit, are one indivisible God, and have been so from the beginning.
This isn't Catholicism. It's the Gospel.
Margie| 1.16.12 @ 2:10PM
The teaching is not Scriptural.
Since is isn't, I don't have to accept it.
Catholicsm CREATED it in order to be able to say, "Mary is Mother of GOD."
The Catholic cult has added to the Words of God.
REPENT liars!!
"Every Word of God proves true; He is a Shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His Words, lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar." Prov. 30:5 & 6.
Nick| 1.16.12 @ 12:04AM
Margie,
"That's what you believe, Nick"
Yeeessss! Finally! You are starting to get it.
So, this makes your statement, "NOTICE: They did not DENY that any of the teachings I posted are untrue!!", false and untrue. I denied all of Pastor Testa's propaganda.
This also makes this statement, of your's, untrue:
"I posted the Vatican's own phony catechism. It states that Mary is the Mother of God. Odd, isn't it, how Catholic cultists deny this, yet they teach it!"
Why do you keep making this false assertion. Catholics proudly claim that Our Lady is the Mother of God. As I just proved.
You are as slippery as an eel. You didn't claim that Catholics don't believe this, you claimed that we deny that it is a teaching of the Church. Which I have just proven is not true.
Quit making these bogus claims. And, try to work on your Invincible Ignorance, okay?
God Bless!
Margie| 1.15.12 @ 7:52PM
p.s. As to a Trinity, there is no such teaching nor mention of the word in the Bible.
God is not a Trinity, He is GOD:
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.." Deut. 6:4.
So, you are rejecting GOD's Own Words concerning Himself, then.
AND: Your CULT teaches that Mary is Mother of God~ because it says Jesus is God, Who they put into a "Trinity", quite conveniently, in order to be able to say she is God's Mother.
The Bible does NOT teach this.
Mary was NOT SINLESS, nor is she Mother of God.
GOD HAS NO MOTHER:
"Fear not, nor be afraid; have I not told you from of old and declared it? And you are my witnesses! Is there a God besides Me? There is no Rock; I know not any." Is. 44:8.
Your cult claims Mary was born sinless, and is the Mother of God, and yet you have read the Scripture that God says there is no God but Him.
This is blasphemy what they teach.
When will you repent?
RCV| 1.15.12 @ 11:37PM
Margie, you have summed up Islamic theology precisely, and its objection to Christian theology: "God is not a Trinity, He is GOD." I could quote you almost those exact words from the Qu'ran.
Margie| 1.16.12 @ 12:44AM
"God is not a Trinity, He is GOD."
Explain it to God, WHO says this:
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.." Deut. 6:4.
So.. you and the Pope think you have authority over the WORD OF GOD??
W| 1.16.12 @ 9:11AM
Thus the name Mullah.
Nick| 1.16.12 @ 12:20AM
Margie,
"God is not a Trinity, He is GOD"
"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit [...]." - Matthew 28:19
Christ did not say, "...baptizing them in the NAMES of the...", did He?
Christ said to baptize in the NAME of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Christ used the singular for a reason.
To show us that They are all One Being. Three Persons in One God. The word Trinity is just shorthand to say the same thing.
"Your CULT teaches that Mary is Mother of God~ because it says Jesus is God"
Ummm, I believe that Saint Thomas, also, said that Jesus was God:
"Then he said to Thomas, 'Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side; do not be faithless, but believing.' Thomas answered him, 'My Lord and my God!'" - John 20:28
So, your beef is with Thomas, not the Catholic Church. We got it from the Bible.
God Bless!
Margie| 1.16.12 @ 12:41AM
Nick,
You're a liar, and are deceived by your cult.
JESUS CHRIST IS LORD.
"There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all.
But Grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ's gift." Eph. 4:4-7.
REPENT AND BELIEVE THE GOSPEL OF GRACE.
Nick| 1.16.12 @ 1:00AM
Margie,
"You're a liar, and are deceived by your cult."
This is your answer whenever you are shown, by me, to be utterly wrong about something Scriptural. Which is pretty much all the time.
JESUS CHRIST IS GOD.
The Apostles said so. But, I guess you now know more than the Apostles, eh? Like you know more than those who were taught by the Apostles, correct?
You are the one who DENIES THE WORD OF GOD when it is shown to you.
All because you want to use birth-control and refused to follow God's command to be fruitful and multiply. This is the real reason you hate the Catholic Church, isn't it? Be honest, Margie.
Margie| 1.16.12 @ 2:07PM
"All because you want to use birth-control and refused to follow God's command to be fruitful and multiply. This is the real reason you hate the Catholic Church, isn't it? Be honest, Margie."
I find it sickening how Catholic perverts see fit to constantly lie and puke their vomit all over Bible believing Christians.
I understand how it is that God HATES liars and is going to throw them into the Lake of Fire!!
Rev. 21:8.
Nick| 1.16.12 @ 6:36PM
Margie,
Are you now trying to deny that you vehemently disagree with the Catholic Church's teaching on birth-control and leaving it up to God as to how many children a married couple should have?
I can post your own words, it you would like?
You'd better hope and pray that you don't end up in the Lake of Fire. You did add to the Word of God, when you claimed that John 3:3-8 says "water birth", remember?
I'll keep praying for you to see the Light. You can count on me.
God Bless!
Margie| 1.16.12 @ 12:50AM
Nick:
Why aren't those verses good enough for you the way they are written??
They are for ALL Christians.
NOWHERE does this say anything about a Trinity?? A three in one God.
HIS WORDS SAY HE IS ONE, NOT THREE!!
You need to repent and stop changing Scripture!!
Mary is NOT the Mother of God, she is NOT sinless.
Nick| 1.16.12 @ 1:09AM
Margie,
"A three in one God."
Wrong, again. It's three Persons in One God.
Besides, it was Christ that said so, not me. Christ told the disciples to baptize in the NAME of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Not in the NAMES of.
And, again, Our Lady is the Theotokis, i.e., God-Bearer. Or, the one who gives birth to God. Another word for someone who gives birth is a MOTHER. So, the Blessed Virgin Mary can rightly be called Mother of God.
For the umpteenth time, this does not mean that Mary CREATED God OR pre-existed God.
Got it?
And, she was created sinless.
God Bless!
Margie| 1.16.12 @ 2:05PM
There is no such teaching in the entire Bible, you are deceived and a liar.
Mary was not sinless~ your cult made it up.
She gave birth only to the physical Jesus, she is NOT Mother of God.
I hope you repent, but if you don't Hell awaits you, liar!
Nick| 1.16.12 @ 6:26PM
Margie,
Our Lady was created sinless, and remained so the rest of her life.
It says so in the Bible:
"And he came to her and said, "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you!" - Luke 1:28
You are rejecting the Word of God, yet, again.
God Bless!
Con Chef (NB) | 1.15.12 @ 6:16PM
Fake ass conservative. Societal leech. Why don't you get off your deadbeat Catholic bashing ass & get a job? What's YOUR pathetic excuse, loser? You sit here in judgement of all, yet you are a leech, just the same as the libs you decry. What happened, St. Margue? People at your old job get sick of your Catholic bashing, "I'm the only TRUE Christian" bullshit?
You posting this clarifies much about the extent of the fraud & charlatan you are, in more aspects than one.
RCV| 1.15.12 @ 6:29PM
What was that passage Margie has quoted from St Paul about those who do not work shall not eat?
Con Chef (NB) | 1.15.12 @ 7:39PM
Gee, RCV, according to Margie, I'm an " unbelieving Jew" (sounds like a Hezbo when she says that, doesn't she), so I would not DARE to upset G*d's handpicked messenger, St. Margie of the Cross. She might consign me to Hell. Again.
Margie| 1.15.12 @ 8:20PM
TROLL Con Artist Chef says:
"Gee, RCV, according to Margie, I'm an " unbelieving Jew".
You said it yourself, you don't believe in Jesus.. uhm, that DOES make you an unbelieving Jew, does it not?
Nice try at trying to make me out to be something that I'm not.. little man.
And you know not what you speak here.. you are an unbeliever, so you have no say nor authority to judge Christians.
Now, your rock is calling, better get back under it!
RCV| 1.15.12 @ 8:29PM
No it doesn't. Like all observant Jews, he believes in God. He just doesn't accept that Christ was the promised Messiah. That doesn't make him "unbelieving". He just doesn't believe the same things as you!
Margie| 1.15.12 @ 8:59PM
RCV, you are not a Christian, so you are speaking insanity.
The Bible says that if you reject Christ, God will reject you.
But, you have stated that you do not believe God's Words, as written in the Bible.
Which say this:
"Any one who goes ahead and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God; he who abides in the doctrine has both the Father and the Son." 1 Jn. 1:9.
His Words, not mine!
The entire teaching of the New Testament is one of REPENTING and BELIEVING the Gospel of Jesus Christ!
It is a warning!!
God tells us through His Son that unless we do so, we are going to Hell.
"He who believes in Him is not condemned; he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the Name of the only Son of God." Jn. 3:18.
RCV: YOU need to do this, too!!
Con Chef (NB) | 1.15.12 @ 10:30PM
Save your own putrid, hate filled soul, hypocrite. Start by getting a job & stop sucking up other people's tax dollars, welfare queen.
Margie| 1.16.12 @ 12:37AM
Putrid you say? Hmmm.
Your hate filled mouth is filled with putridness, kiddo.
JESUS CHRIST IS LORD.
Con Chef (NB) | 1.16.12 @ 7:10AM
So what're YOU gonna do about it? Cash another unemployment check, loser?
Margie| 1.16.12 @ 2:04PM
God will take care of liars like you, PUNK.
Con Chef (NB) | 1.16.12 @ 4:10PM
We'll see, won't we, fake ass conservative?
Margie| 1.16.12 @ 12:58AM
"What was that passage Margie has quoted from St Paul about those who do not work shall not eat?"
Tis is funny coming from the Oabama suck-up, RCV!
Say RCV~ you'd better tell it to your boss.. Obama.
Then tell it to the people who you always stick up for, the Liberals who are still on it.
W| 1.16.12 @ 9:13AM
MullahMargie
Stop criticizing Obama. He gave you or your H two years of unemployment comp so you can sit at home and post bigotry against Catholics, Jews, and liberals.
Con Chef (NB) | 1.16.12 @ 1:58PM
Oh, look. The apostate welfare queen is awake! Long night boozing it when you're a societal leech, huh, St. Margie?
Margie| 1.15.12 @ 7:55PM
That isn't my information, and it was a mistake. Anyone can look it up now. I'm not on the dole, I have my own business.
You really ought to be more mature, Con Artist Chef.
You're a punk.
RCV| 1.15.12 @ 8:27PM
Whose New Jersey unemployment claim could you have posted? And whosever it was, you'd better get TAS to take it down because you've posted thier social security number!
Margie| 1.15.12 @ 8:35PM
I already wrote them.. they are SLOW or not at work today!!
W| 1.15.12 @ 10:19PM
MullahMargie
It is either your info or your husband's, otherwise you would not have it. So your husband is on the dole, but you got the business in your name, clever.
Another day, another lie.
So you finally admit the Jewish religion is a cult and not the "word of God" according to the Mullah, and Jews will go to hell with Catholics and the rest of the world except for the Mullah.
Margie| 1.16.12 @ 2:03PM
I admitted no such thing you filthy pervert!!
Con Chef (NB) | 1.15.12 @ 10:33PM
It isn't your info? It just posted itself there? Lemme guess, either the "Papists" or "unbelieving Jews" posted it there.
Margie| 1.15.12 @ 1:41AM
It doesn't matter WHO the messenger is, Papists~ those are the doctrines of the cult of Catholicism.
Heh, are you going to try and deny it??
W| 1.15.12 @ 7:57PM
MullahMargie
Have you been collecting unemployment compensation since aug 2009 and now you got an extension? Why haven't you found a job? At the least, stop criticizing Obama since he got you extra time on comp. Instead of robo posting bible verses and issuing fatwas why don't you look for a job?
Con Chef (NB) | 1.15.12 @ 6:10PM
Nice robo post. You & Clint ARE related.
Margie| 1.15.12 @ 9:01PM
I am NOT related to a man who rejects the Words of God in place of the words of "The Pope."
But YOU are a son of your Father, the Devil, for he also is the Father of lies.
John 8:44.
Con Chef (NB) | 1.15.12 @ 10:20PM
Thus speaketh the societal leech. Preach on, fake ass conservative. I hope you choke on my tax dollars to supoort your idleness, loser.
Con Chef (NB) | 1.15.12 @ 10:28PM
No, you sanctimonious haint. I'm the son of Richard L. Frankel, Captain, DC, USN (ret., dec). A man who is a far better person even in death as you could ever hope to be for the remainder of your pathetic life. A Jewish man & Naval officer who served his country for 20 years & G*d his whole life. You, harpy, are a fake ass hypocrite & societal leech. You ain't worth the piss those Marines expeneded on the dead Taliban.
RCV| 1.15.12 @ 11:31PM
God bless your father, Con Chef!
Margie| 1.16.12 @ 12:36AM
You're a lying little twerp.
And that's why you're of your FATHER the Devil.
Con Chef (NB) | 1.16.12 @ 7:12AM
You're a heretical bitch, who couldn't carrt my Dad'd jockstrap. Get a job, deadbeat.
Margie| 1.16.12 @ 2:02PM
You're a lying little twerp who spews his filthy hate filled mouth at Bible believing Christians along with the Reprobate unbelievers here.
You deny Christ and spit in His Face, using His Name in vain and vomiting all over His follower.
You are fit for the Hell that God promised He is going to send liars and disgusting creatures like yourselves:
"The one overcoming will inherit all
things, and I will be God to him, and he
will be the son to Me.
8 But for the cowardly and faithless ones,
and disgusting ones, and murderers, and
fornicators, and users of magic, and idolaters,
and all liars, their part will be in the
Lake burning with fire and brimstone,
which is the second death." Rev. 21:7 & 8.
Margie| 1.16.12 @ 1:00AM
"You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies." Jn. 8:44.
And I doubt your physical father would approve much of the person you turned out to be, you filthy little punk.
Con Chef (NB) | 1.16.12 @ 8:52AM
What would you know or care about it, leech? He's in Hell as a "nonbeliveing Jew" according to you? But I do know one thing, he'd think you were a lazy piece of shit on the government dole while the rest of us work & support your deadbeat ass. And the fact that you claim to be a "conservative" while you spongue off the rest of us would lead him to call you the same thing I have. A FRAUD & a hyppcrite. Get bent, haint. You & Clint & Jack go have an anabaptist swinger's convention somewhere.
W| 1.16.12 @ 12:24PM
MullahMargie,
I am sure ConChef's father is proud of him especially since he recognizes bigotry and stands up to it; and ConChef is employed while you sit at home collecting Obama checks while at the same time criticizing Obama.
Are you LYING to New Jersey about whose owns your ebay business? Are you a HYPOCRITE taking money from us working Americans while you sit at home robo posting bigotry. I knew you were not a real conservative because of your bigotry, now we add two years of the public dole redistributing the wealth.
Margie| 1.16.12 @ 1:59PM
W TROLL:
I already answered you, scumbag.
Con Chef (NB) | 1.16.12 @ 4:12PM
Translation:
I have to cash my unemployment check like the "true conservative" that I am...
Hypocrite.
Appleby| 1.13.12 @ 3:27PM
I grew up with four sisters and we were not well off, although we had everything we needed -- because we were close in age, the majority of our clothing and sports equipment was held in common. When somebody started yelling about "My blue sweater", Mama would say, "Everything in this house belongs to your father and me, because WE bought and paid for it. When YOU earn money and YOU buy a sweater, that sweater will belong to YOU." Consequently we eagerly went to work at everythingi from selling hand-picked berries to our neighbours and babysitting, to winning contests, and when we were old enough to get working papers, we got jobs in factories. Mama and Daddy downloaded some of our expenses on us as we were able to cover them -- I bought my own eyeglasses for example, and was allowed to choose the big, staring, owl-eyed glasses that "everybody" had in the Sixties, because they were MY eyeglasses. We were encouraged to share those items we bought for ourselves, but were not required to do so (and soon learned that if we didn't share, neither would Sis) . The upshot was that we learned early on what Property Rights were, and what the limits of our income was; if we spent all our money during the summer when we earned it, we'd go without field trips and makeup and Tiger Beat magazines in the fall.
As I listen to the Occupiers and the City Council members in Toronto, I believe that this concept has died off. Now all we are required to do is hold out our hand and scream GIMMEE! and some soulful politician will begin to wail that "the children" are crying and only an evil person with a heart of stone would deny them an iPhone, a pair of $300 sneakers, or a trip to Paris just because their parents never taught them how to work and earn (as opposed to how to Demand).
The main problem we seem to have in the USA is a lack of proper parenting. (The main problem we have in Canada is that Nanny has taught us that She can do everything so much better than we can, that now nobody exerts himself, because nobody can be better than anybody else and so mediocrity reigns supreme.)
The best thing Willard Romney could do for the country is show the Occupiers how to get rich. Maybe it's time to Take Our Constituents To Work?
Nancy in NC| 1.13.12 @ 4:01PM
We need parents like yours...they got it.
We have an entitlement society because the citizens think they're entitled to someone else's stuff...and stuff is the most important thing, right?
The sad thing is not that people don't have enough, they just want what someone else has.
Even the poor in this country are better off than the rest of the world. England for example, where only the rich live in a single unit dwelling with a decent backyard...it's commonplace in the USA.
Sure, lots of people are filthy rich. So what? Most of them don't seem that happy anyway. Most of us have everything we need and a lot of what we want. Parents need to teach their children to be grateful for their many blessing, the least of these is not freedom...something we take for granted everyday.
I fail to understand those who scream endlessly about big business, but don't seem to mind big government. Big business might fleece you, but big government can steal your freedom and your life.
Anthony| 1.13.12 @ 3:49PM
O.K. Show of hands. How many of you, when you look at the picture of Axelrod accompanying this blog think of the movie" The Boys from Brazil".
This was the'60s movie about Hitler clones growing up in America.
Axelrod apparently made it to adulthood.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 5:37PM
I missed his filing for Presidency of the United States, otherwise what really is your point?
Osamas Pajamas| 1.13.12 @ 4:01PM
I argue that the OhBummer White House has been in possession of the tax returns for “all” of the plausible Republican candidates --- including Romney, of course --- for at least a year --- and receiving updates of these documents for 2011 and 2012, when available. I further argue that David Astroturf Axelrod has copies of all of these documents and by now must have memorized every jot and tittle in them. This, of course, is highly illegal --- but OhBummer and the OhBummer Wrecking Crew and the IRS itself are CORRUPT --- they’re racketeers.
RCV| 1.15.12 @ 6:02PM
You "argue" this? You just made it up!
Osamas Pajamas| 1.13.12 @ 4:03PM
Has anyone ever noticed that David Astroturf Axelrod could be Ellsworth Toohey in Ayn Rand's novel, "The Fountainhead" or Wesley Mouch or some other progressive / socialist sack of shxt in her novel, "Atlas Shrugged?"
Oldefarte| 1.13.12 @ 4:48PM
Is it my delusional state perhaps, or does anyone else possibly agree with my assessment that.......DAVID AXELROD HAS A STRICKING PHYSICAL RESEMBLANCE TO ADOLPH HITLER??????????????
Margie| 1.13.12 @ 4:51PM
Well, not that you mention it.
But, he reminds me more of an old actor from around the 60's. Can't think of the name.
sean| 1.13.12 @ 6:37PM
Larry Storch in F Troop
David| 1.13.12 @ 5:32PM
Mr. Kengor, you write as though Bain Capital is the only problem with Romney. He has multiple problems including his many flip-flops and let's not forget Romneycare. He does not have a chance against Bam Bam.
Get behind Santorum now - the only one who actually can run on a conservative message and beat Obama.
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 5:39PM
"President Barack Obama Seeks Greater Power To Shrink The Federal Government" - ruh - roh, now what will you pick on?
Zak Klemmer | 1.15.12 @ 11:46AM
Smoke and mirrors.
sean| 1.13.12 @ 6:35PM
Yeah, now he wants smaller government. Exactly how is that going to happen? Even if he gets the cuts in the military he'd like, any savings will be eaten up by his Obama care or cap & trade or mandatory reductions in mortgage debt or, or or. You get the picture. The government won't be smaller, it just won't be able to defend our interests anymore. Before you get started Purp, I'm not a Republican. Anyway, it's pretty moot anyway because he can't get these cuts throught Congress because even the demos are reluctant to close bases in their states and risk their own reelection. What I see coming is a VAT tax in addition to the income tax etc. It will be done with the explanation that in order to keep social security/medicare, we will all have to do our fair share. Then of course, when the economy tanks even further because people will be buying less, they'll want to raise the debt ceiling again. As the always Linde Ellerbie (sp?) used to say-"and so it goes."
Purp| 1.13.12 @ 7:58PM
He's not talking about cutting the military ... go check it out before commenting.
Tim| 1.13.12 @ 6:46PM
Someone goofed. That's Dabney Coleman's pic.
POST American| 1.13.12 @ 9:08PM
--------------------FINAL WORD------------------------
"Notice once again, as the REAL
campaign approaches ----the REAL issues
disappear."
And, as NDAA 1031 is brought in, you too
might be 'disappearing'.
TRULY the Globalist RED China TREASON OP
---uh--- we meant 'economic transfer to RED
China at US taxpayer expense
-----------------IS THE ONLY ISSUE-----------------
Our past 4 CFR front administrations
have to be RETRO-actively IMPEACHED
and put away for life.
Gingrich, McCain, and every other
presiding figure from the 80's-90's heyday
of the RED China TREASON OP
------------should be banished from the public
sphere if not also put away.
TREASON remains -----the HIGHEST CRIME.
--------WE'RE DEALING WITH TREASON--------
Take back the language
OWN you own perceptions
DON'T flinch
USE the word
------------------------'TREASON'-----------------------
martin j smith| 1.14.12 @ 8:03AM
This election from the Socialist stand point will be about in my view lies thru propaganda-disinformation and all that rot gut. They have nothing to stand on. Class Warfare is but one example --trying to rev up and agitate the nations whiners, The trolls some from the Paul crowd some from the Obama crowd in my view ( in the readers mind ) first need to be identified. Some monikers are familiar others not. But the crucial thing to keep in mind is this. These people are not open minded looking to see if your arguments have the slightest merits. So you have a choice --respond as if it matters or don't respond. Actually there is a third way--simply say you are a troll and worth the bother. Now I happen to believe that all trolls no matter from Ron Paul or Obama or Romney or whoever are PAID OPERATIVES.
Liberal Reader| 1.14.12 @ 10:10AM
"Now I happen to believe" is another way of saying, "I have no reason to believe because no evidence suggests it, but I'm going to say anyway that...."
Aiken_Bob| 1.14.12 @ 9:22AM
This was an interesting article - the comments were good until the trolls hit. You get a guy in like 'purp' and all of a sudden it is like a baby throwing a tantrum - all reasonable conversation stops so that you can deal with the baby. The sad part is that the baby will never grow up.
martin j smith| 1.14.12 @ 9:57AM
I totally agree with the above post. We have developed a disastrous generation of Gimmeeeezzzzz
and illiterates as well. The class warfare shtik is geared exactly for that crowd.
Clint| 1.14.12 @ 12:23PM
Barky Obama & Mittens Romney Are Bobbsey Twin Crony Capitaliism Poster Boys.
" In its recent look at Romney's record with in 77 companies he worked with at Bain, the Wall Street Journal said that 22% of them filed for bankruptcy reorganization or closed up shop within eight years of the fund's initial investment. "
Romney Is A Job Gravedigger.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is In South Carolina.
Brooks| 1.14.12 @ 2:52PM
Axelrod's mommy was a Commie and his daddy was too.
Nick| 1.15.12 @ 12:22AM
Anyone who would like to take a scooter-ride through the Old City of Jerusalem, check this out:
http://www.treppenwitz.com/201.....salem.html
RCV| 1.15.12 @ 1:41PM
Nick - thanks for posting this. I've been to Jerusalem twice, and stayed once at the Episcopal guest house in the Old City, and the ride evoked many warm memories! Great music track, too!
God bless!
Nick| 1.15.12 @ 3:13PM
No problemo, RCV. I'm glad that you enjoyed it.
I hope to one day make a trip to Jerusalem, and to Rome. For the history as much as the religious significance.
RCV| 1.15.12 @ 6:00PM
They are marvelous places. I had the real pleasure a few years ago of taking my teenaged son to Rome over the Easter vacation. We were able to get tickets to the Papal midnight Easter service, and it was stunningly moving. As we were leaving, my son -- who had only been to Episcopal services, but never a Catholic one -- said to me, as only a teenager can, "Boy, the Pope gives good mass!"
Nick| 1.16.12 @ 12:35AM
RCV,
That must have been wonderful.
Alas, I will probably never get to attend a Mass presided over by Benedict XVI. But, I was lucky enough to attend the Papal Mass at the Pontiac Silverdome, in 1987, when Pope John Paul II visited Detroit. That was amazing!
90,000+ people attending a Mass! It was truly something to behold.
Maybe, someday, I will be able to attend Mass at St. Peter's Basilica. You and your son were truly blessed to be able to attend.
Thomas Wilbur| 1.15.12 @ 6:58AM
Once again, Prof Kengor does the digging that our media never did to uncover the radical roots of team Obama. For me, his research here strengthens two arguements: 1, that the whole Obama prez run was cooked by a born radical left PR genius, Axelrod and 2, that you can't assume, as Romney says, that Obama 'is patriotic' and just disagree with his policies - you have to show how wrong his team's fundamental ideas are.
rhoetus| 1.15.12 @ 11:52AM
Axelrod and Ayers are linkage proving that Obama is a communist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Axelrod
rhoetus| 1.15.12 @ 12:02PM
http://keywiki.org/index.php/Myril_Axelrod
http://keywiki.org/index.php/David_Axelrod
rhoetus| 1.15.12 @ 12:02PM
http://theobamafile.com/_assoc.....xelrod.htm
OregonBuzz| 1.15.12 @ 12:33PM
I actually had a very germain comment to make, however since this discussion has devolved to the schoolyard e.g., "Oh yeah, so's yur ol' man", I decided I shouldn't waste my time.
rhoetus| 1.15.12 @ 5:56PM
I don't blame you- post it anyway- some of us are grade-school graduates.
King of Bain | 1.15.12 @ 6:36PM
As a veteran, I am most concerned with Romney's DRAFT DODGING DEFERMENTS, and his 5 able bodied sons refusal to serve in the armed forces.
I cannot vote for Romney: his encyclopedia of flip flops, investments in Iran and China, his Bane Way of cremating private sector jobs, his LIBERAL views that he held for over 50 years (I repeat, 50 years); his tax increases, but most of all his insincerity.
About 30 of my friends and I watched the movie: http://www.kingofbain.com/, and Mitt lost 31 general election votes from all of us based on this movie, as well as his draft dodging record.
King of Bain | 1.15.12 @ 6:39PM
Mormon Church Obtained Vietnam Draft Deferrals for Romney, Other (Mormon) Missionaries
By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 24, 2007
As the Vietnam War raged in the 1960s, Mitt Romney received a deferment from the draft as a Mormon "minister of religion" for the duration of his missionary work in France, which lasted two and a half years.
Before and after his missionary deferment, Romney also received nearly three years of deferments for his academic studies. When his deferments ended and he became eligible for military service in 1970, he drew a high number in the annual lottery that determined which young men were drafted. His high number ensured he was not drafted into the military.
The deferments for Mormon missionaries became increasingly controversial in the late 1960s, especially in Utah, leading the Mormon Church and the government to limit the number of church missionaries who could put off their military service. That agreement called for each church ward, or church district, to designate one male every six months to be exempted from potential duty for the duration of his missionary work...
By serving as a missionary and being given the deferment, Romney ensured that he would not be drafted from July 1966 until February 1969. Romney's draft record from the time describes him as "minister of religion or divinity student." Mayo said the church would have considered Romney a minister.
Romney, who has said he would have served if he had been drafted, shed some light on his view of the matter in a recent interview with the Globe.
"I really don’t recall thinking about political positions when I was knocking at the door in France" as a missionary, Romney said. "I was supportive of my country. I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam."
At the same time, Romney said, he was influenced by the statement of his father, then-Michigan Governor George W. Romney, who said in 1967 that he had been "brainwashed" by US officials about Vietnam. "When my dad said that he had been wrong about Vietnam and that it was a mistake and they had been brainwashed and so forth, I certainly trusted him and believed him," Romney said.
The exemption for Mormon missionaries created controversy at the time. Non-Mormons in Utah filed a lawsuit against the federal government in 1968. The suit was still in court two years later, at a time when "the church and the Selective Service System work hand-in-hand in deferring the missionaries," according to an article from the period published by The New York Times.
Richard Leedy, the lawyer who brought the suit, said in a telephone interview that he did so because "the substantial number of deferments to missionaries made the likelihood of us non-Mormons going to Vietnam a lot more likely."
Separately, Romney's draft service was deferred due to his status as a full-time student for about three years.
Romney registered with the Selective Service in April 1965 but was not considered readily available for military service until December 1970. His name was then put into the lottery based on an individual's birthday, and he drew the number 300 at a time when no one drawing higher than 195 was drafted.
"When Governor Romney's deferment for college and missionary service ended, he made himself available for military service, and his name went into the lottery, but he was not selected," Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom said via e-mail.
© Copyright 2007 Globe Newspaper Company.
King of Bain | 1.15.12 @ 6:45PM
When does Romney plan on releasing his tax certificates, his five draft dodging certificates and his birth certificates?
Do conservatives know which of the FLIP FLOPPING Romney Siamese Twins (trapped in his body) they will get on election day?
Conservatives must rally behind a proven job creator: Rick Perry.
Romney is a job CREMATOR with a private sector record of killing jobs.
Romney is a "data guy", a "math guy" and claims to have created 100,000 jobs.
To Mr. Romney: WHERE IS THE BEEF?
Governor Rick Perry's record of creating jobs is clear.
POST American| 1.15.12 @ 11:06PM
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Con Chef (NB) | 1.16.12 @ 8:45AM
Margie the Fake Conservative on the Dole Pukes:
"Also, there is no respect earned for liars, and especially cults."
You're on to talk, Trinity denying "christian."
Margie| 1.16.12 @ 2:32PM
You're a liar.
You are an unbelieving Jew, who knows nothing!
W| 1.16.12 @ 4:03PM
MullahMargie
Since you are on the dole and have lots of free time living off our taxes, can you explain what is an unbelieving Jew? What do you want them to believe?
Con Chef (NB) | 1.16.12 @ 4:14PM
You're a fake ass "christian" who thinks that the Trinity is a "Papist invention" so why should we take anything YOU say at face value, apostate?
Con Chef (NB) | 1.16.12 @ 4:19PM
Margie, you're as "christian" as George Soros & Bobby Fischer were "jewish."
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Criss | 1.17.12 @ 5:21PM
They are dead weight, barnacles on our ship of state. The day is fast approaching when the producers will finally give up and sit on their hands. Then we'll see who survives. It certainly won't be the infantile Occupying mob.
Cool | 5.23.12 @ 1:20PM
Free enterprise forces company's to become efficient. Romney is an efficient expert. Obama is the example of the saying that it is better to keep quiet and appear to be an idiot, Than open your mouth and remove all doubt