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The Venture Capitalist vs. The Vulture Socialist

By on 1.12.12 @ 6:09AM

Obama’s parasitism is far more destructive than the “Bain mentality.”

Put the worst possible construction on Mitt Romney’s career as a venture capitalist and it still looks much better than Barack Obama’s. Pecking at the entrails of a limping economy, Obama is the vulture socialist.

A president who promised to bankrupt the coal industry is in no position to gainsay Romney’s record of job creation at Bain Capital. Romney created at least 100,000 jobs in private life; Obama created none. Then Obama entered office and racked up a record of job destruction that would give even the most reckless corporate raiders pause.

The vulture socialists feed off an economy that they could never create. Parasitism defines their existence. To the extent that it exists, Obama’s moderation consists of keeping the golden goose of capitalism alive just long enough to pluck its eggs.

Were Obama to start an economy from scratch, it would look like the late Soviet Union’s. His de facto socialism is the spoiled and ungrateful child of Western capitalism. Take away the reviled rich and he would have no wealth to seize or workers to exploit.

Democrats and liberal pundits chortled over Romney’s remark that he enjoys firing people. Now we have got him, they purred. But in context the comment is blameless, as even the gaffe-prone Joe Biden acknowledged. What Romney obviously meant was that he likes the freedom to choose services. But to the vulture socialists who circle over companies dying from taxes and regulations choice is suspicious. They speak of economic freedom as an intrinsic crime.

Obama’s use of class warfare is pitiful. His hack adviser David Axelrod, dusting off this rhetoric, tried out the phrase “Bain mentality” the other day. This apparently is supposed to strike fear in the hearts of Americans. 

Romney’s feeble Republican opponents, scrambling to find any available cudgel, speak darkly of Bain Capital too. Leave it to politicians of the GOP, justly called the Stupid Party by wags, to attack Romney not for his liberalism but for his capitalism. One can be conservative and condemn the excesses of free enterprise, but Newt Gingrich, Jon Huntsman, and Rick Perry haven’t even come close to proving that Bain Capital constituted one. Where is the evidence for Romney’s crass corporate raiding? That the New York Times says so? This is pathetic.

Newt and company had months to pop the wheels on the Romney juggernaut. But they just sat on their hands, letting the knives aimed at his liberalism rust. Now they content themselves with throwing pebbles at his passing caravan. Few primary voters care about Romney’s good-faith failures at Bain Capital, but they might have cared about his pro-choice past. Most probably don’t even know about it. In recent days, Gingrich has talked a bit about the Romneycare dollars that went to Planned Parenthood but not with anywhere near the same level of animation that he has devoted to the subject of Bain Capital.

Bitter that Romney’s supporters have portrayed him as a man of flabby character for his Inside-the-Beltway slumming, Gingrich had to find a similar line of character attack and hit upon Bain Capital as his only option. But who was going to take this seriously? Newt himself didn’t even take it seriously at first. In an interview with Fox’s Sean Hannity before the primaries, when Newt was still riding high in the polls, he mused in a moment of expansiveness that his comments about Bain were foolish and simply a result of Romney getting “under his skin.” Mitt “won that round,” a magnanimous Newt said. 

Romney is still winning rounds, as voters can see that he is personally upstanding and that these lunges at his business record are nothing more than opportunistic hot air. Whether Romney’s streak can continue in the general election is an open question, but this much is clear: the vulture in the race will not be the Republican.

About the Author

George Neumayr, a contributing editor to The American Spectator, is co-author, with Phyllis Schlafly, of the new book, No Higher Power: Obama’s War on Religious Freedom.

Letter to the Editor View all comments (224) |

Kade| 1.12.12 @ 6:43AM

Newt and Perry are not attacking capitalism they are attacking Romney gaming the bankruptcy laws and his ruthlessness toward American workers in doing this. And reports are that the federal government (the taxpayer) helped him by backstopping pensions that he raided -- not sure if this is accurate but we should find out.

Bain was the centerpiece of his campaign and suddenly it is off limits by conservative pundits. Did Romney actually create 100,000 jobs while he was at Bain and were they USA jobs – let him prove it? How many jobs did he destroy? Lots of questions need answering.

Why do so many so-called conservative pundits (though not Palin) not want Romney vetted in a primary is the real question? Answer: the GOP establishment is circling the wagons around another liberal Republican.

Clint| 1.12.12 @ 7:30AM

The Mr.Newt Guys' Ad.

The King Of Bain, Romney

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Jack in Wi.| 1.12.12 @ 8:37AM

Mr. Neumayr has now moved on to Cuddles Romney. He still refuses to acknowledge the only real conservative in the race Ron Paul. Ron Paul is the greatest exponent ever, in American politics, of the Catholic doctrines of Subsidiarity, Just War Doctrine, Proportionality is response to attack and war and Pro- life policy. He does this even though he is a fine Evangelical Protestant. Shame on you George.

Oldefarte| 1.12.12 @ 11:13AM

And what pre-tel of Paul's stance on homosexuality, and how same extremely differs with the official Catholic Church doctrines on same. SPLAIN THAT, idiot!!!!!!!

Mender| 1.12.12 @ 6:25PM

I seriously think Jack is a joke intended to parody Ron Paul fans. Or Ron Paul's mother.

JOSEPH| 1.12.12 @ 8:25AM

Do you have any specific cases and facts, what is gaming the bankruptcy laws, how did he raid pensions?

scotchieguy| 1.12.12 @ 11:02AM

Kade, it is not that repubs don't want Romney vetted, it is they are vetting him from the WRONG side. This BS about his business practices sounds eerily similar to what Obama and his socialistic hacks would do. Instead, they should attack him for not being conservative enough, ie, his waffling on AWG, gay marriage, abortion, etc. They are simply doing the dirty work for Obama and his hacks. I guarantee those guys are in the WH somewhere laughing their asses off. The republican party really is a party of idiots. Talk about political suicide. I almost want to defend Romney. Un-bleepin-believable!

Lyneuss Fields | 1.12.12 @ 12:00PM

There’s a "Thread of Immorality" running throughout the fabric of Mitt Romney's life whether it is Bain Capital, his Liberal positions as Massachusetts Governor or evading and/or demonizing legitimate questions about Mormon crimes against humanity throughout the 19th and 20th centuries. Conservatives must vet this guy before Obeyma's Administration does in the general election.
http://lyneussfields.blogspot......gious.html

Clint| 1.12.12 @ 1:52PM

Where's Mittens Tax Returns ?

Put Up Or Shut Up, Mittens.

The tea Party Rebellion Steps On Mitten's Tail.

Oldefarte| 1.12.12 @ 2:12PM

What about too short short Ronnie's revenues from his racist newsletters????????

KennesawJack| 1.12.12 @ 4:34PM

Out of my meetings early and couldn't pass this one up. Clint, last I heard, they were in the same lock box as Obamarx's college transcripts. Something tells me Romney may just try to use them as trade bait. You know, I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

Michael Tomlinson| 1.12.12 @ 6:49AM

I'll take the venture capitalist to Obama or Ron "Mahmoud Ahmadinejad" Paul any day.

In the jungle of business the strong survive, but in the morass of government the weak survive to prey upon the strong and middle class. Time for Obama to go along with his jobs killing agenda, his warmed over McGovern/Carter/Clinton/Paul defense policy and a foreign policy only a Muslim jihadist could love.

Clint| 1.12.12 @ 7:26AM

Dr.Ron Paul, " I'll ask Congress for A Declaration of War against Iran, if necessary."

The Tea Party Rebellion Is In South Carolina.

Oldefarte| 1.12.12 @ 11:15AM

And if the same congress is typically dominated by Democrats [as it is now], same will traditionally tell Ron to GTH with his war declaration request, since the Democrats have been historically anti-war since Viet Nam and the political destruction of Johnson's mis-adventure there!!!!!!

KennesawJack| 1.12.12 @ 4:36PM

The obvious problem with that is he gets to define "if necessary". Something tells me ol' Ron wouldn't find Iran nuking Tel Aviv as a necessity to ask for a declaration.

Jack in Wi.| 1.12.12 @ 8:30AM

Ron Paul went out of his way to defend Romney on this issue. I used to run a big business with hundreds of well paid employees. I hired, fired, and laid off thousands of people during my career. No business can survive if it can't make employment ajustments, according to market conditions. Newt Gingrich has never run a lemonade stand. What the hell does he know about capitalism? He has been a leech living of the government his whole life. The same is true of Perry.

Clint| 1.12.12 @ 10:14AM

Romney Had The Third Lowest Job Growth As Governor Of Massachusetts.

Romney Is A Job Gravedigger.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is In South Carolina.

Cynicon Implant| 1.12.12 @ 11:36AM

Yes, I've heard that stat thrown out. Unemployment averaged 4.5% during his tenure. That's about as low as it can go and is why job growth was relatively low.
Try again Clint.

Clint| 1.12.12 @ 12:29PM

Now, Put That Number Up Against The Other States, RINO-CINO Mittens Romney Apologist.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is In South Carolina.

Jack in Wi.| 1.12.12 @ 3:22PM

One good thing about Newt's campaign against Romney is that we get an idea of the kind of adds Obama and the unions will be running against him. He is doing Romney a favor by allowing him and us to see how Willard will respond.

Jack in Wi.| 1.12.12 @ 3:18PM

Clint: You know I hate Romney as much as you do. But some times people have to be fired or laid off, even good ones. I will never vote for Romney because he is a warmonger, Rockefeller Republican crony capitolist and bankster, not for any free market tendencies, he once had.

Dmac| 1.12.12 @ 5:40PM

In the fifties and sixties it was a bad sign for a comapnay to lay off employees. Now its considered good business to lay off your employees putting the workload of five, six or seven people on the remaining employees so the members of the board can give themselves bonuses. In the fifties and sixties it would have gotten them fired by the stockholders.
American corporations have been doing fantastic for the last 40 years, at the expense of the American worker and American consumer. It's not going to be pretty when the masses finally figure out how they've been hoodwinked and they're damn close to figuring it out. When the first shot is fired don't be surprised by how quickly the elite in this country fall.

biomedlives| 1.14.12 @ 8:46AM

Right on, Dmac! Know of any stores that carry pitchforks?

Oldefarte| 1.12.12 @ 11:17AM

What has Ron run except his Medicare/Medicaid dominated medical practice? Oh I forgot, he's an entrepreneur in the newletter publishing field....SHAZAM!!!!!!!

Clint| 1.12.12 @ 12:37PM

"As part of his small government philosophy, Paul has refused his congressional pension. When working as a doctor he refused to accept Medicare or Medicaid payments and would not let his children accept federal student loans."

The Tea Party Rebellion Is In South Carolina.

Oldefarte| 1.12.12 @ 2:15PM

As a lifelong contributor to [and now a recipient of] Medicare, I highly resent that. He must be OBGYN'ing some of those Bush type women in Texas who are Bain capitalish millionaires & billionaires, huh?????

Purp| 1.12.12 @ 10:30AM

Bain Capital isn't a testament to the strong survive - they are an example of Gordon Gecko capitalism. Opportunistic parasites that take advantage of a company's weakness - not competitive mind you - but weakness to withstand a takeover by monied power. These parasites slice and dice a company, sell off assets, layoff people - and sure, sometimes start a new company. But how much pain must thousands suffer just so they can make a killing? That's what makes him think he's ready to be President? A President is president of all the people, not just those that agree with you. Mitt "I like to fire people" Romney is a shill and will never win the presidency.

George S| 1.12.12 @ 10:43AM

It there are no weaknesses to take advantage of then they can withstand takeover of the moneyed powers. Ergo, only the strong survive. A testament, if you will.

Purp| 1.12.12 @ 6:16PM

And, good-bye to the workers, who had nothing to do with running the company, making decisions that might fail. Is that it? It's one thing if YOU fail, and YOU suffer. But in these cases, it's people who did their jobs, and the failure is not their own. That is not a testament, that is injustice. As I said that is parasitic capitalism, not real capitalism.

W| 1.12.12 @ 1:23PM

Purple
1. You do know that Wall Street was a movie? fiction?

2. You do know that when Mitt said "I like to fire people" he was talking about health care service providers? Another of your lies by omission.

3. Are you now going to support Newt or Perry since you seem to agree with them?

Purp| 1.12.12 @ 6:24PM

Yes, yes, no.
1. Art imitates life - or did you miss that one?
2. A gaffe is just that - a gaffe. Only the strong survive their gaffes. If he can't take it - either speak better or shut up and get off the stage.
3. On this one thing, I agree with them. That is all.
Bain Capital experience is NOT Sam Walton starting his business from scratch, building it based on service and fair prices, selling only American made goods, employing only Americans. Sam IS real capitalism. After he passed, the shills that run Wal-Mart now sold out to the Chinese mfg'ers 'cause they couldn't manage the company and took the easy way out - cheap labor and cheap goods, completely un-American putting the textile industry out of business in the States, as well as other industries.
You can have Mitt Romney, born with the silver spoon in his mouth, his worry about being pink-slipped and liking to fire people gaffe, and his corporate takeover experience, that left misery for others behind - I'll take Sam Walton, who built his empire on blood, sweat and tears of HIS own, not on the backs of others. THAT is the example of true capitalism and creating jobs - not Mitt "I like to fire people" Romney.

W| 1.12.12 @ 7:13PM

2. not a gaffe. you lied, as usual, by taking the quote out of the entire paragraph.
So you approve of Walmart. Interesting, is this the Fortune 10 company you work at.

W| 1.12.12 @ 1:23PM

Purple
1. You do know that Wall Street was a movie? fiction?

2. You do know that when Mitt said "I like to fire people" he was talking about health care service providers? Another of your lies by omission.

3. Are you now going to support Newt or Perry since you seem to agree with them?

Warrior | 1.12.12 @ 2:54PM

Very good Purp. How do you explain the pain Obama wreaked on thousands upon thousand of employees in GM and Chrysler? Obama skirted existing bankruptcy laws to short change the guaranteed creditors while paying off the unions. Dealerships and plants were closed in order to rid these companies of the weak and make them stronger going forward. So step off of your hypocritical soap box and stop with your utter stupidity. The problem with the example I gave you is that Romney took risks with private money and Obama did all his damage with the tax payers money.

Purp| 1.12.12 @ 6:35PM

So, now you agree that Obama has the same corporate experience as Romney, having to do what needed to be done to save those companies?
The REAL big difference between what Romney did and what Obama did was who were the beneficiaries of their managing of the transaction. For Romney, it was him, his firm and their stockholders - pocketing hundreds of millions. For Obama, it was the million auto workers and their suppliers, the dealerships remaining and the overall American economy, which means all of us!
So let me ask you a question, since through your own example, Obama obviously understands business and corporate takeovers and did it well ,to no benefit of his own, at least as well as Romney, do you put your money on the parasite that took the money and bought a villa and became a millionaire and laid off indiscriminately or the President that leveraged for the public good similar BUSINESS principles to save companies, not for himself, but for the public good?
Thank You. You have basically provided the rebuttal to the Romney argument of his expertise. The President has done the same, and yet even for those laid off, he provided unemployment insurance and other financial support for the workers until they find work - which Romney did not.
The Parasite or the President - who would you vote for?

Jack London| 1.12.12 @ 7:16PM

Well said. The really extraordinary thing about all this though is that, as we've said before, Obama is pretty much a moderate Republican president in most policy, and quite far Right in foreign policy. it's only the fact of who he is – and it must be said, black and notionally a Dem – that has brought out this extreme scorched earth fundamentalism in our tea party fiends.

Warrior | 1.12.12 @ 10:48PM

What planet do you come from? Obama exercised nothing but a blatant disregard for free market principles and the law. You completely refute your first ignorant post with a second even more inane (I couldn't believe that even possible) post even further removed from reality. It's liberals and arguments like this that only further my belief that a second revolution will be necessary.

might as well make candles| 1.12.12 @ 7:09AM

Not as destructive as Obama but destructive. Romney and his ilk have destroyed the Amerian Economy. They have transformed it into a hamburger flipping, retail employment, information technology economy that by day is farther removed from value adding-make something-work to sitting around computers or retail counters. Because of his cadre of industry raiders, my former illustrious career of mechanical engineer will get me to retirement one limp step at a time. It used to be doctor, lawyer, and engineer but now it's just lawyer or shall I say lobbyist.

I can't stand to look at him and will probably sit it out. He is a white Obama but without a core. His only mission is to acquire power without knowing what to do with it once he gets it. And this guy will be in line to confront Iran? How about the economy? Does he have the smallest idea on what industrial policy would be fit our country? How about trade? How will he manage it? He will figure it out when he stocks his administration with a new set of cronies.

JOSEPH| 1.12.12 @ 8:26AM

Care to identify the ilk of Romney?
Given you statements you voted for Obama and will vote for him again.

Timothy L. Pennell| 1.12.12 @ 8:35AM

I find myself having to keep asking the same question, over and over again, as it pertains to this upcoming Election: Are you RETARDED?

There is NOTHING in COMMON between Romney, and the Marxist/Muslim. Nothing.

One is a Christian/Capitalist.
The other one is a Muslim/Marxist.

One of them comes from a good family, and went to the Mormon Church.
The other one had an Atheist/Communist, for a Mother, Communists for Grandparents, and a Muslim/Marxist DRUNK, for a Father (Who dropped dead in a Kenyan gutter) and went to a Black Liberation Theology (Marxist) HATE CHURCH, for 20 years, run by his Mentor. A White Hating/Jew Hating/America Hating, SCUMBAG.

One of them has surrounded himself with Good People, his entire life.
The other one has surrounded himself with Marxist/Communists/Socialists/Maoists/Anarchists/ Unrepentant Domestic Terrorists, the Black Panthers, and a P.L.O. Terrorist Recruiter.

One of them supports Entrepreneurship, New Industry, the Private Sector, and a Market Economy.
The other one strives for a Soviet Style Command Economy, Death by a Thousand Regulations, Health Care Mandates, and the UNIONS that are the REAL REASON, that all of these Companies are leaving.

One of them Loves this Country.
The other one is here to Destroy it.

Bye the way, genius: You wanna talk about Lawyers? Who is the #1 Contributor to the Democrat Party?
Give up?
The TRIAL LAWYERS Association.

Go on. Sit it out. You'd probably F*** it up, anyway.

Anthony| 1.12.12 @ 11:15AM

I give you credit Tim, you continue to try and reason with the zombie lefties and Paubots who post here ad naseum.
Reagan himself would not have drawn such fanaticism. And I believe fanaticism is the right word to describe these lefties and Paulbots.
It's going to be a very, very, very, long year!!

George True| 1.12.12 @ 12:39PM

Well done, Mr Pennell. You laid it out in such a way that any attempt at rebuttal even by the likes of Purp would simply be pi**ing into the wind.

Dagny Taggert| 1.12.12 @ 12:54PM

Bravo TLP.

Calvin | 1.12.12 @ 4:04PM

Thanks, TLP. It comforts me to know there are still people who can't stand this administration even more than I. Thanks for taking the time to list the grievances.

jd| 1.12.12 @ 4:46PM

Tim,

Great post!

Purp| 1.12.12 @ 6:38PM

Actually, they are similar - except that the President does his work for us and the common good of Americans - Romney did his work for himself and his parasitic buddies.

Old Soldier| 1.12.12 @ 9:36AM

What Bain did is the equivalent of Dentist pulling a dead tooth before the whole mouth is infected - or a doctor cutting out an appendix before it kills the patient.

The alternative was bankruptcy for the company and job loss for all the employees instead of some.

It's a stupid, shallow line of criticism. It's the same illogical thinking that is used to justify the GM bailout.

Purp| 1.12.12 @ 10:31AM

Rent the movie "Wall Street" from the 90's and you'll see Romney in the title role... learn something will ya?

George S| 1.12.12 @ 11:00AM

I saw the movie. What I learned was that 1980's Wall Street did not bundle worthless mortgage securities and sell them to unsuspecting investors. Why not? It would have been much much easier to do so than to gather investors to risk their own money to buy assets to transform into a new and efficient entity. What the movie did not show was the heavy losses that also occurred. People got rich, but a lot also got broke. Just like today -- except it is the taxpayer that loses and the Solyndras walk away with millions and nothing to show for it.

FCKEWE| 1.12.12 @ 11:23AM

Then stop drinking the RED party koolaid and aim your pee down to your feet, not up into your face! Gees dude!

Purp| 1.12.12 @ 6:43PM

Did you miss the part where Bud's father's airline was to be sliced and diced, putting all the workers out of work, with Gecko walking away with millions? THAT Gecko is Romney - and you trust him to run our country? Our trade policy? Seriously?
Can't you hear him saying, "Well, country A can produce it cheaper, so if you all have to work at McDonald's, that's the way it is - have a nice day". "It's unfortunate, but that's the market" - while at the same time accepting huge campaign donations from the 1% that import the goods produced in country A to sell to us at inflated prices. That is a setup, not the free market, and this Romney is just the snake to set it up. Dubya could have, but he was too dumb.

fckewe| 1.13.12 @ 9:11AM

EXACTLY. Romney is the last stop on the Reaganomic wealth redistribution train!

Mike| 1.12.12 @ 11:09AM

So Purp a fictional story about non-existent 80's greed is what you are basing your reality on?

Mike Johnston
SFC USA (RET)

Drunken Sailor| 1.12.12 @ 11:32AM

Exactly!! Sounds like my son when he was 12. Or Michael Moore today, take your pick.

Curtis Rasmussen| 1.12.12 @ 2:49PM

Purp's example fits Al Gore using Roland Emmerich's movie 'The day after Tomorrow" as global warming fact. More crazy.

Purp| 1.12.12 @ 6:45PM

Go watch "King of Bain" - true documentary and watch Wall Street - then maybe you'll learn something. Why are all you righties so d* lazy? You accept what you hear and never counter check or corroborate anything?

fckewe| 1.13.12 @ 9:13AM

The movie was an honest appraisal of reality, and Romney was part of that reality. Actually, the poster child for REAL wealth redistribution. he's the ultimate republican,"One for all and all for ME!!!!"

Unum Plurbus E.

Oldefarte| 1.12.12 @ 11:26AM

Obviously an engineering degree does not always translate into intelligent thought. To say that "...Romney and his ilk have destroyed the Amerian Economy....." is just about the dumbest f***ing thing I have ever heard expressed. Where in G-D's name do you thing the economy of this country comes from.....the Barack Obama's of society? Nah, the Romney's, the Trump's, the Weill's, the Welsh's, the Job's, the Gates's have nothing to do with economic production and income formation, right? Let's just turn everything over to the Paul Newman's engineer character in the TOWERING INFERNO to save the world. What an incredible idiot you sadly are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Purp| 1.12.12 @ 6:55PM

Nope - the economy came from the local grocery store, the small farm, the hardware store and millions of small factories and shops - that's the problem. The Trump's, the Romney's, the Jobs, the Gates, the Welsh's created wealth at the expense of others and crushed competition (with the exception of Jobs, who lost out to Gates over the pc). We are left with huge transnational companies beholden to no one country or people, but only beholden to the almighty dollar. Graft, corruption, owning politicians, all becomes easy when you're only driving force is making money.
The Founders of this country were moral people, and would be aghast at unbridled capitalism. We always concentrate on the parts of the Declaration of Independence that deal with human liberties - but the Declaration also listed complaints against Mercantile Britain, where concentration of wealth allowed huge enterprises to 'buy' the political establishment to such an extent, the East India Company could call on British Warships to protect their business interests. THAT is not what Jefferson, Madison and others wanted for this country - and that's where we are headed. Case in point - Aircraft Carriers in the Persian Gulf to protect the Oil shipping lanes. We are becoming what the Founders did not want, while the worst offenders scream Free Trade, Free Markets, Free Enterprise, all the while trying to crush competition and concentrate wealth in fewer and fewer hands. Adam Smith, Von Mises and F. Hayek warned us about the concentration of wealth in a democracy, which becomes an Oligarchy, and now it's happening to us.

Lawrence Boccardi| 1.12.12 @ 7:11AM

You know, I have been just luke warm toward Romney, that is until Newt and Perry disclosed their capitalist creds. And as far as Romney having to prove how many jobs he created, where were you, when the disgrace changed his criterion to "jobs saved"?

Purp| 1.12.12 @ 10:32AM

President's don't create jobs, nor lose jobs - Capitalism does. So if you're unemployed - "Blame Yo'self"

Timothy L. Pennell| 1.12.12 @ 10:52AM

And, of course, everybody knows that, if the America Hating/Muslim/Half Breed, was riding the wave at $5 Unemployment, then Slurp would say: "Presidents don't create Jobs, nor Lose them - Capitalism does."

GTFOutta here. You're not Stupid. You're worse than Stupid. You're SLIMY. And when I read your scribbles, my eyes feel dirty.

Anthony| 1.12.12 @ 11:24AM

The Obozo Summer of Recovery has come and gone, twice, and all I have to show for it are these lousy peas!!!.

Oldefarte| 1.12.12 @ 11:28AM

Wait a doll-gurned minute now, I'll have you know that Obama's Solyndra produced green energy jobs [and all at taxpayer expense]!!!!

Anthony| 1.12.12 @ 11:51AM

Yes indeed, the Chapter 11 Bankrupt Solyndra, that is handing out bonuses to its Exs..
Change we can believe in, just ask the trolls that confuse Hollywood movies for reality.

Purp| 1.12.12 @ 6:58PM

Thought you weren't responding to me anymore? Just can't keep your mouth shut can you?
So instead "Believe in America" sounds so much different, is that it?

Purp| 1.12.12 @ 6:57PM

No, but 28 other companies the government guaranteed loans for did - 27 out of 28 successes - you won't hear that from Rush Loudmouth or Fixed News will ya?

fckewe| 1.13.12 @ 9:17AM

how is the solar industry in China and Germany doing these days? Humn... you think $20 a gallon gas will make you think twice about alternative energy investments? Too bad that will be too late to start making up for the 40 year head start we had when Reagan took panels off the White House roof as an $80,ooo fuckyou to the future!

fckewe| 1.13.12 @ 9:19AM

I am actually glad that you will be rotting in your grave when you great grand children figure out that YOU personally were the cause of their generations decent into another dark age. Literally.

Purp| 1.12.12 @ 6:56PM

And, yet, more jobs have been created in 3 years under Obama than 8 years under Bush ... guess you ain't got sumpin' straight. Reckon you ought to brush up, Chuckles

dale| 1.12.12 @ 9:25PM

Could you please document that? I don't believe a word of it.

fckewe| 1.13.12 @ 9:52PM

That's the NET - NET total, too! Opps, did we count all the military positions as jobs? Does "crippled by an IED" have a Dept of Labor job code?

Ivan Ivanovich| 1.12.12 @ 7:12AM

In 1987, I was in Italy and I learned about socialism (not Communism) from a very nice Englishwoman who owned a bar near my hotel. I went there with a friend I met on the bus. He was from Nigeria, spoke English well, and was black as the ace of spades (as we said in Detroit). We had a few beers and talked with the woman. She was alone and I asked where her help was. She told me that she could not find anyone trustworthy to help. It seems that, once hired, the laws require that you pay a person for two years even if they don’t come to work regularly. You can’t fire anyone! The solution is that you don’t hire anyone! After that I noticed that every small restaurant or bar is run by family members. I prefer Mitt Romney’s solution.In 1987, I was in Italy and I learned about socialism (not Communism) from a very nice Englishwoman who owned a bar near my hotel. I went there with a friend I met on the bus. He was from Nigeria, spoke English well, and was black as the ace of spades (as we said in Detroit). We had a few beers and talked with the woman. She was alone and I asked where her help was. She told me that she could not find anyone trustworthy to help. It seems that, once hired, the laws require that you pay a person for two years even if they don’t come to work regularly. You can’t fire anyone! The solution is that you don’t hire anyone! After that I noticed that every small restaurant or bar is run by family members. I prefer Mitt Romney’s solution.

WRTolkas| 1.12.12 @ 8:17AM

Dear Ivan,

Excellent post. Are you suffering from a memory disorder?

Anthony| 1.12.12 @ 11:28AM

Possibly, but at least he was consistant with the narrative.
Ah, bella Italia.

carolyncecile| 1.12.12 @ 6:23PM

WR and Anthony
I must tell you your comments made my day. Between worry about money and the fear of another O term, I have not had a tear-inducing belly laugh like I did after reading your responses to Ivan. Thank you!

Purp| 1.12.12 @ 10:34AM

Small mom and pop shops don't outsource jobs - Corporations do. Shut down the personhood corporations and we'll be fine.

Drunken Sailor| 1.12.12 @ 11:34AM

Dead On Ivan, and just take a look at their hospitals and you will see our future medical care.

martin j smith| 1.12.12 @ 7:35AM

Establishment Republicans led by Romney are Crony Capitalists. Obama uses Crony Capitalism to butress his regime. So the question then is is Romney Obama and is Paul Obama--so who the heck is Obama ? Where did he go ?

George True| 1.12.12 @ 12:50PM

The Obama regime is crony capitalism several orders of magnitude greater than anything practiced by past administrations, Dem or Repub. They don't even try to hide it. It is non-stop cronyism on a scale typically seen only in the worst examples of totalitarian regimes. Solyndra is just one of many, many such examples over the last three years.

fckewe| 1.13.12 @ 9:23AM

What are the rest? And compared to the several reincarnations of BLackwater? hahahahahahaha how much Halliburton stock is owned by RED party insider's Mr. True?

JOSEPH | 1.12.12 @ 7:36AM

The Ron Paul boys and girls have moved from attacking Israel and America's foreign policy to defned itself. Now it is the free market they attack using the left wing terms like vulture and fairness and gaming the system. These fools are not conservatives or Republicans.

Kade| 1.12.12 @ 8:18AM

I am not for Ron Paul at all although he brings up some very good domestic points, especially regarding the Fed.

I see this as conservative pundits attacking more conservative candidates (than Romney) falsely claiming Newt and Perry are using leftist tactics. These talking heads are helping coronate the more liberal Romney even though we have a ways to go in this primary. Looks like they silenced Newt, which lessens my opinion of him for caving so easily.

And if Romney is our nominee, better this Bain stuff comes out now then in October.

JOSEPH| 1.12.12 @ 8:29AM

They are using leftist talking points, just listen to the Democrats. Newt overreacted and realized how stupid he sounded which is why he is backing off.

Kade| 1.12.12 @ 8:56AM

Were the talk radio guys using leftist talking points when attacking Jon Corzine?

You just cannot defend all capitalists even if they stay within the law. This libertarian attitude is why the gambling bankers in conjunction with our government caused the 2008 crash and then demanded that WE the People bail them out -- crony capitalism at its finest.

If the GOP goes into the general election looking like Gordon Gekko Obama and the Dems win big and conservative pundits are enabling them by defending Romney’s Gekko behavior.

W| 1.12.12 @ 9:06AM

Kade
Corzine was criticized because he cannot account for about one billion dollars in investors' assets.

Kade| 1.12.12 @ 9:18AM

W.
Yes, but also his reckless gambling behavior leading up to the crisis, which was within the letter of the law. And even the transfer of funds may be technically within the law-- bankster lawyers write our laws with a thousand caveats.

Old Soldier| 1.12.12 @ 9:38AM

Corzine broke the bad law he helped write as a Senator. He signed the Sox statement swearing he understood and attested to the financial reports.

George S| 1.12.12 @ 10:23AM

Corzine broke the law. Period. The fact that he remains free from indictment is a byproduct of a lawless justice department. Capitalism? Sorry, not here.

fckewe| 1.13.12 @ 9:27AM

Just wait for the indictments stemming from the current and ongoing investigation of Bain Capital and it's offshore, tax evading holdings. They will be forced , like UBS was, to divulge their client list and I KNOW Mitt the Shit is on that list in a very 7 or 8 figure way!

Love to see Obama jail him for tax fraud in October!!! BEtter yet! In September, so the REDs have a chance to beg newt to take his hopes and dreams back as a broken has been, chasing the ball in center field and falling on his face like Willie Mays before the home crowd.

Clint| 1.12.12 @ 8:16AM

We Are Being Set Up By These Israel Firster RINO-CINO Flunkie Stooges For The Ruling Elites' Frontman Mittens Romney.

These Are The RINO-CINO Flunkie Stooges Who Gave Us The Serial Traitor To Conservatism, John McCain Of McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy,McCain-Lieberman,Gang Of 14, Opposing Bush Tax Cuts Of 2001 & 2003,TARP.

Now They Are Trying To Give Us RomneyCare,TARP, Cynical Flip-Flops On Abortion, Gays, Refuses to Sign Pro-Life Pledge, Illegal Immigrants, "Little Chain Saw Al" At Bain, Crony Capitalism Campaign Money Trail.....

Romney Had The Third Lowest Job Growth As Governor Of Massachusetts.

Romney Is A Job Gravedigger.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is In South Carolina.

Oldefarte| 1.12.12 @ 11:30AM

Rub-a-dub-dub, three libertarians in a tub [Clit, Ron and Jack]!!!!!!!!

Al Adab| 1.12.12 @ 12:29PM

O/F:
Our friend Clint keeps posting the same thing over and over. I would suggest to him that he take a couple hours and read, "Why the West is Best" by Ibn Warraq. He would then understand better what it is that makes this nation the exceptional one it truely is.

Drunken Sailor| 1.12.12 @ 1:38PM

Al, it would have to come in a pop up versino for Clint to grasp it.

fckewe| 1.13.12 @ 9:28AM

McCain is for unwarranted arrests and indefinite detention of people who don't agree with him. He AUTHORED that part of NDAA.

JimH| 1.12.12 @ 8:27AM

People keep referring to Obama as a Socialist or Marxist. And while he and his supporters use the language of the left, in practice his policies have been more those of a Fascist. He keeps speaking how he is for the people but asks them to make sacrifices. And all the time his policies aid the largest corporations at the expense of smaller would be competitors. Look at all the big money men who donate to him and have been part of his administration. It wouldn’t be quite as bad if he could make the trains run on time, but he is an incompetent fascist. I agree that Obama’s policies are worse for America than Bain’s practices. That does not make what Bain did under Romney as working on the side of the angels. They did some good things; and some companies prospered as a result. But they also did some things that while legal and could be said to make sense under the regulatory and tax structure we have, were not so good and should not be held up as an example of the virtues of Capitalism.

JOSEPH| 1.12.12 @ 8:31AM

Can you be specific as to

"But they also did some things that while legal and could be said to make sense under the regulatory and tax structure we have, were not so good and should not be held up as an example of the virtues of Capitalism."

JimH| 1.12.12 @ 10:19AM

We have a tax structure which favors debt over equity and some of the businesses that Bain invested in were saddled with more debt than they could sustain. GST Steel is a notable example. After acquiring this company Bain Cap. had GST issue additional debt. The company went bankrupt in 2001 leaving the government responsible for the pension payments. This is after Romney left Bain Cap. Whether the company would have survived without this additional debt I can’t say. From what I see Bain Cap. has three notable success stories of businesses which prospered following Bain Cap’s involvement. I don’t have a list of the failures. What is notable though is that for all the companies that had been invested in even those which ultimitly failed Bain was able to extract profits and return to Bain’s investors something on the order of 80% if I have no mis-read the numbers.

FCKEWE| 1.12.12 @ 11:20AM

Adding up total returns is not how to get to 80%.

Doesn't that 80% return really come from the Federal income tx evasion profits that Bain set up in the Cayman's? Isn't Bain Capital one of the FIRST to popularize TAX fraud as a wealth creating strategy for Bain Clients?

you DO know the FBI is investigating this and I do expect some indictments to happen the week before the RED party convention. If Eric Holder is as smart as his boss, more will come out, along with a whole slew of leaks in the case, just about Halloween.

BEcause if Romney gets the nomination after his partners are in handcuffs, who will you vote for when his is in jail for the Election? LMAO!!!

Oldefarte| 1.12.12 @ 11:35AM

'....If Eric Holder is as smart as his boss, more will come out, along with a whole slew of leaks in the case, just about Halloween....' Yeah they're smart alright, just ask Bill Clinton, Marc Rich, and Michelle Obama [and her Holloween WH party guests] if you're doubtful of same, huh???????

fckewe| 1.13.12 @ 9:31AM

I am glad we agree! let's BOTH SwiftBoat Rmney and the whole Party down the urinals!

Watch to see how few RED Senators rally and support him in the Campaigns. Just like Bush making token comments for McCain-Vagina.

W| 1.12.12 @ 3:47PM

Your are not criticizing Bain for following the tax code as written Congress, are you? How much additional debt did GST issue, and was that the cause of the bankruptcy? Most pension plans pay a premium or tax to the Pension Guaranty Board to cover pension payments for bankrupt companies, did that occur here, I don't know the details about Bain, except its success stories of Staples and Dunkin Donuts.

Brian| 1.12.12 @ 8:51AM

Romney was not a "venture capitalist". Bain's chief operation was to lobby politicians for sweet heart tax deals. Crony Capitalist is a more fitting term

W| 1.12.12 @ 7:15PM

Can you name the tax deals given to Bain? Maybe you want to talk to Purp.

fckewe| 1.13.12 @ 9:54PM

Did they ever manage to repay the $10 mil in Federal Bailouts? Even after Romney siphoned $4 mil off the top?

Say Baptist| 1.12.12 @ 9:05AM

I loathed McCain who savaged Bush and wrote the First Amendment abridging McCain Fingold law. I voted for him because he was still better than Obama. I may vote for Newt but I loathe him for his cannibalism. Ron Paul is a fool who is part of the "blame America crowd" and doesn't understand that if you're weak you get stepped on.Still remember if we want to keep our republic, we Have to Defeat Obama.

George True| 1.12.12 @ 1:03PM

"...we Have to Defeat Obama." Amen, sir!

I don't know if in his heart of hearts Romney is a RINO or somewhere farther right. I do know that any of the Republican candidates, including Romney, would be orders of magnitude less harmful to our Republic than another four years of the gangster Marxist regime we currently have.

Whichever Republican gets the nomination, even if he is a RINO, I will support him to the hilt, and would crawl on hands and knees for miles over broken glass to vote for him.

We Must Defeat Obama. Any conservative who fails to support the Republican nominee is by default helping to re-elect the Marxist.

Purp| 1.12.12 @ 6:59PM

So elect a Fascist instead?

George True| 1.12.12 @ 9:59PM

Obama/Reid/Pelosi are the definition of Fascism, which is really just a form of Communism/Socialism.

fckewe| 1.13.12 @ 9:33AM

If you actually READ, fascism and communism are opposites. Socialism is what happens when you give you neighbor a jump start on a cold winter morning.

Clint| 1.12.12 @ 9:14AM

" The New Hampshire Gazette

The Chickenhawk Hall Of Shame

name:
Willard Mitt Romney
rank:
Chickenhawk First Class with Distinguished Fleeing Cross
date-of-birth:
March 12, 1947
home state:
Michigan
missed opportunity:
Vietnam War
excuse:
None to speak of
preferred activity:
Trying to talk people into becoming Mormons
occupation:
Climbing ambition's greased pole

When your daddy's a Governor and a Cabinet Secretary, it's amazing how your odds of being drafted diminish."

The Tea Party Rebellion Is In South Carolina.

Oldefarte| 1.12.12 @ 11:37AM

Yeah, yo boy is a real military war hero....he was providing OBGYN exams to females during the VietNam War, huh??????????

shipley130| 1.12.12 @ 1:32PM

You are kind of a fukstain.

George True| 1.12.12 @ 1:05PM

Clint: See my post immediately upstream of yours.

Vern Crisler| 1.12.12 @ 9:26AM

George, it's sort of like King David. Even though he fulfilled the Lord's will in conquering Israel's enemies, God still did not allow him to build the Tempe. For symbolic reasons, God wanted David's son Solomon to do it.

The reason is that although David's defense of Israel was perfectly legitimate and necessary and required by God, David still had blood on his hands. The responsibility for building the future was therefore transferred to others.

Similarly, even though Romney and other capitalists may perform legitimate functions in society, they have blood on their hands, so to speak.

Yes, in Adam Smith's sense, Romney's actions do help society in the long run, but it's still symbolic suicide in the short run. Obama and his minions will play upon this theme incessantly, and capitalism itself will be the victim.

Better to go with Newt, warts and all. Romney merely guarantees Obama's reelection.

FCKEWE| 1.12.12 @ 11:14AM

David and Romney have so much in common. Except David wasn't denied the temple because of the blood of Israel's enemies was on his hands. He sent an innocent to certain death just to get laid. But unlike Romney, David was remorseful and begged forgiveness from God.

Romney just continues to lie, devoutly,with steadfast devotion at the alter of his own ego about his serial financial murders of hard working citizens. if he had striped Lehman Bros of tangible assets and pilfered THOSE pension funds, he might get some small measure of applause, but not for raping a toystore.

How many children of THOSE 15,000 hard working Americans lost the chance for a college education? 20,000? 25,000?

Vern Crisler| 1.12.12 @ 11:38AM

1 Chron. 22:7-9
David said to Solomon: “My son, I had it in my heart to build a house for the Name of the LORD my God. But this word of the LORD came to me: ‘You have shed much blood and have fought many wars. You are not to build a house for my Name, because you have shed much blood on the earth in my sight. But you will have a son who will be a man of peace and rest, and I will give him rest from all his enemies on every side. His name will be Solomon, and I will grant Israel peace and quiet during his reign.'"

fckewe| 1.13.12 @ 9:35AM

Thank you, but Solomon fought wars and executed his kid Absolom. You really need to READ the bible as a book, not as soundbites the way most Christians abuse it.

Vern Crisler| 1.13.12 @ 10:05AM

Where did Solomon execute Absalom? Perhaps you are the one who needs to read your Bible. Absalom was David's son and was killed by Joab. Use Wikipedia if you need help on these things.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absalom

Oldefarte| 1.12.12 @ 11:42AM

Yeah, those STUPID American business owners that obviously could operated profitably a popcorn stand and make a success of it, who are the ones who failed their employees by their inability to do so, not by the Romney's of the world who re-tool such companies and transform them into profitable businesses that can successfully employ millions of workers and maintain their receipt of paychecks [ie Obama's/Democrats' wasting taxpayers' money on Solyndra type boondoogles], huh?????

VonMisesJr| 1.12.12 @ 9:26AM

If Newt and Perry were smart, they would not attack capitalism, but rather the ruling class cabal.
The problem is that both party establishments are power hungry and greedy. Both party establishment's kids go to Harvard and Yale for indoctrination. Both have connections to Wall Street and lobbyist. Both elitist establishments embrace Agenda21 planning that will return us to serfdom.
The problem with Mitt is not that he is a capitalist, but that the ruling class Republicans already picked him to be our "blank slate."
The TEA party and other conservatives put the Republicans in charge of the House. The establishment gave us Boehner who was just found "with his hand in the cooky jar" along with Pelosi, Kerry and Moran with "insider trading." McConnell had to be forced kicking and screaming to reject earmarks. I know since I was in his office when he recanted on the Floor of the Senate.
Romney is a problem in the respect that he seems to have few core beliefs, and makes no convincing commitment to the middle class. The wave of sentiment in the country is coming from a grassroots movement. So we don't give a hoot if Romney had to fire a few people or investors made a profit in venture capitalism. We do care about specific proposals that will restore our Constitution, liberty and free markets.
Obama has trampled on the Constitution and destroyed business for three years, and we want to know what Newt, Perry and Santorum would do about it.
Don't you political consultant morons have the wits to figure out why Ron Paul, Cain and Bachmann had such passion from their supporters? If Newt, Santorum or Perry figure it out, they may be the next POTUS.

FCKEWE| 1.12.12 @ 11:08AM

Talk about Blind Deaf and crying out loud dates! I have been laughing for three days straight, ever since Gingrich's uncoordinated accomplices performed a live autopsy on Romney's capitalistic flair!

VonMisesJr| 1.12.12 @ 11:34AM

FCKEWE, are you our new MoveOn troll? If so, be prepared to be schooled!

fckewe| 1.13.12 @ 9:35AM

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAaaaaa .

Just the facts' ma'am.

Oldefarte| 1.12.12 @ 11:44AM

What does Ginguich know about capitalistic flair, other than monetarily supporting the employees of 90% of the jewelry stores in NYC?????????

Butch| 1.12.12 @ 5:44PM

Do you actually expect to be taken seriously, given that "handle" you have chosen?

fckewe| 1.13.12 @ 9:38AM

I am only taken seriously by people who read.

Those that have personal issues with My name, the color of My skin, My gender, My choice of golf ball or any other superfluidity can just go pick their nose the next time the poke a hole in their Charmin. Happy booger munchin' there Butch?

Is that a given name or a description of your haircut?

tadcf| 1.12.12 @ 9:32AM

The vulturism of Bain's form of capitalism is miniscule, as compared to other parts of the world where countries have been stripped of their natural resourced, and their people and land poisoned--for example, Equador.

FCKEWE| 1.12.12 @ 11:04AM

SO NOW it's a matter of degree. So capitalistically speaking, Texaco was a total D&C while Romney specialized in partial birth abortions. Oh wait!!! Those babies were alive and breathing when Bain got a hold of them! Romney just ripped our the feeding tubes, IV's and ventilators, and handed the pensioners the bill (the debt from the leverage)

Oldefarte| 1.12.12 @ 11:45AM

No that was Obama and the Democrats, DUMBARS!!!!!!!!!!!!

fckewe| 1.13.12 @ 9:39AM

Obama never worked for Bain Capital... or any other LBO, merger and Acquisitions firm on Wall Street!

bill| 1.12.12 @ 9:55AM

Those labor unions thugs are the vulture socialists. They seek status que and block any reform. Bureaucracy and big labors are bankcrapting our nation, not the private sector and the hard working underpaid workers, contributing their share of wealth to our nation.

FCKEWE| 1.12.12 @ 11:05AM

I can't wait to have an IQ test requirement for voter's registration. The you would be no threat to the civilized world.

Oldefarte| 1.12.12 @ 11:46AM

Then 90% of your fellow Democrats will not be able to vote if they are so tested!!!!!!

bill| 1.12.12 @ 1:20PM

Voter ID! Your liberal friends will get their ass kicked!

Drunken Sailor| 1.12.12 @ 1:41PM

This coming from a Troll who thinks their moniker is clever? Good Luck Mr. Hawkins.

albert constantine jr.| 1.12.12 @ 7:56PM

At least the EWE part properly identifies the troll as a member of the sheep family he clearly represents.

Peppermint Tea| 1.12.12 @ 10:24AM

Of course the Obamatrons will magnify the Bain point, and the "I like to fire people who work for me."
Romney needs to seize these in the campaign by declaring the election is about firing an incompetent worker who doesn't have our interests at heart--Barrack Hussein Obama. mm...mmm...mmm.

FCKEWE| 1.12.12 @ 11:01AM

54 RED party line communists (isn't that how the Soviets voted on EVERYTHING Stalin,Khruschev, yeltsin, Andropov and Gorbachev dictated) being incompetent and self serving.

Honstly, would they lie this much about a WHITE Democrat?

Oldefarte| 1.12.12 @ 11:47AM

There's no such thing currently as a WHITE DEMOCRAT!!!!!!!!!

fckewe| 1.13.12 @ 9:45AM

I am SOOO glad Iam getting through to you guys!! Makes Me sooo proud of My nochildleftbehind Federally unfunded mandate, small government education!!!!

The Emporer's new clothes are unraveling and this is the pendulum swinging bck from the other end of the 80's... right in your face.

DatsunMark| 1.12.12 @ 10:30AM

I'd rather be vanquished by my enemies than have my throat cut while I sleep by my family. I'll never vote for Romney.

George True| 1.12.12 @ 1:12PM

You might want to re-think that, Mark. If enough people like you stay home because of your 'principles', then you re-elect the Marxist. It really is as simple as that.

KennesawJack| 1.12.12 @ 4:47PM

And dramatically increase the liklihood of your being vanquished. The entire world, excecpt for the happy Obamarx Kool-Aid crowd, understand that Obamarx is weak and will make America ripe for the picking. If you stay home, you have voted for your own demise.

GoldenKnight87| 1.12.12 @ 10:45AM

Romney needs to channel Ann Coulter's latest column. Two simple points - the wind-up: "When the government runs anything, then it works as efficiently and is as customer-friendly as the DMV." And then the pitch: Relate one of the stories about the CA or NY government employees (rotate for effect) & say "THOSE are the people YOU should want to fire because YOUR tax dollars are paying for them!" He'll win in a Reagan-style landslide.

FCKEWE| 1.12.12 @ 10:59AM

You mean THOSE guys who caused the downgrading of US credit with brinksmanship and have come to the same conclusion that Gingrich did in 96, That the citizens HATE donothing legislation, obstructionist legislation, takethemoney and sit on their ass legislation.

Oldefarte| 1.12.12 @ 11:49AM

How dare you talk about DEMOCRATS and OBAMA like that!!!

FCKEWE| 1.12.12 @ 10:50AM

George, you gratutious fabribating schmuck. Yes, I spelled it right, because we all know you typed this tripe one handed with your eyes closed. IN NH, it took less than 15 seconds for the vulture who likes to fire people to start lying to America on national television about what he finished lying about 30 seconds before.

Remember... he took credit for Romneycare giving people choices, and in literally the next breath, said The Affordable Care Act dictated insurance and doctor assignments. Good luck explaining THAT away when Obama's superPAC pays for 4th Quarter ad space next October and replays the newsfootage!

The only thing worse than being the poster child for predatory vulturism is lying about lying about it. Oh, except writing about only 13% of it and calling it the truth. THAT is lower journalism than Stephen Glass ever fabricated.

Oldefarte| 1.12.12 @ 11:53AM

Yes, and the only thing worse than that is corrupt, radical, lying, domestic terrorist-socialists who are in the process of dismantling/destroying this country and who, if allowed another four years, will succeed in their obvious endeaver and all of us will be sucking on the government teat!!!!!!

fckewe| 1.13.12 @ 9:43AM

I Obama succeeds in all your fantasies, you won't qualify and your assets will all be public property. That's how Olde Farte socialism works, right?

not like Romney socialism, where everything that get confiscated with Federal money gets sold and ends up in his own pocket.

Dmac| 1.12.12 @ 10:56AM

I've read a lot commentshere about "capitalism" and I think as American we need to find a new term for it or agree there are at least two types of capitalism.
One type is profit for the CEO and officers first no matter who gets screwed in the process.
Another is the type is profit at any cost for the board and stock holders.
And yet another is one that comapny actually beleives in America and American workers and doesn't mind a lower prifit margin if it can keep the jobs in the United States.
What good is capitalism if it always moves the jobs to the county with the lowest labor rates? Answer, its not good the average American, period end of story.
American coporations run overseas to make their goods so they can make a higher profit margin. It has little to do with being competative. It has do with margins. What most American fail to see is the real cost. The cost of an un-employment check for months on end. The cost of food stamps for possible years to come. The cost to medi-caid for no telling how long. There are more cost than this when a job is exported. The many end up paying a lot so the few can make a larger profit margin.
It isn't the Chinese coming to the United States buying comapnies and moving their production to China. It's American corporations doing it to line their pockets.
It shouldn't be this way. If we had fair trade instead of free trade it wouldn't be this way.
Has Ronmey said one damn word about trade? Not that I've heard. He needs to address the issue and address it now. Lets hear what he has to say about it.
I'm a capitalist and I beleive capitalism works, but you can't let it run amuck or let it ruin your national economy by laying of millions of your citizens. The Chinese can't make a pile of crap without us showing them how. It's time to bring the jobs back home and tell coporate America to learn how to live with a slightly lower profit margin. All of our taxes will go down if we put people back to work and coporate America has an obligation to this country just like everyone else does.

George S| 1.12.12 @ 11:17AM

We can have hundreds of thousands of new high paying jobs right now if we could develop our massive resources of oil, coal, and gas. How exactly is C-A-P-I-T-A-L-I-S-M preventing that?

Fact is, jobs go overseas because of regulatory burdens here in the U.S. The EPA, OSHA and the NLRB are the biggest culprits. So even if a corporation eats those costs and pays more for labor, they can only stay in business by increasing the prices of those goods. And the reason those low costs goods from China make Wal-Mart a powerhouse is because of the price. Raise those prices to accommodate the cost of doing business in the U.S. and people will not buy them. That is the double edge sword everyone fails to see.

VonMisesJr| 1.12.12 @ 11:33AM

Kudos, George. I was at a TEA Party meeting last evening and a gentleman that had a rodent removal business went out of business since the new regs demanded that he inspect the traps every 4 hours, 24 hours a day.
My old well guy had about 20 employees, but it became so cumbersome with regulation, he had to let everyone go and makes more money for him and his family member net with virtually no aggravation.
The problem is that DMAC and his ilk do not know what capitalism is. They mouth Marxist crap while the two guys I just cited let some 30 people go due to government regulation, not capitalism and profits.

Dmac| 1.12.12 @ 12:30PM

I'm not a marxist. I beleive in capitalism. I don't beleive in greed to the degree we see most American corporations practice it though. CEO's and board members making million when a loss is reported and stock holders left holding the bag. When I say stock holders I mean your 401K and my 401K. Would you pay one of your employees a bonus when your company lost money. Would you give one of your kids their weekly allowance if they didn't do their chores? I'll say two more words, General Electric.

VonMisesJr| 1.12.12 @ 1:13PM

Dmac, my friend, I did not call you a Marxist. I am simply observing that in your arguments, you do not seem to understand true capitalism.
GE is not capitalism. It is fascism. When government controls business, it is not really different from "public ownership of the means of production."
If you father gave you a car, but said you can only use it when he is not, and only if he permits, do you own the car? If the title is in his name and you cannot sell the car, is it your car?
That is GE, GM, AIG and other companies position once they are nationalized or in debt to government for their "going concern."
I welcome free market guys and encourage you to read Sowell, Walter E. Williams or Stossel as easier reads available at wwww.jewishworldreview.com. Then there is a plethora of great works at www.mises.org if you want the truth in more technical terms.
No offense intended, but truth is first and foremost. You cannot make wrong statements simply because your intentions are good. That is what liberals claim as their virtue, not capitalist.

George True| 1.12.12 @ 1:37PM

Dmac, I believe you mean well, but you are misinformed. It is our own government that is responsible for corporations moving jobs and even the entire company offshore. The corporate tax rate is 35%. Who pays that? We do, as the corporation has no choice to pass the cost of that along to the consumer in the form of higher prices. If the higher prices then make the company non-competitive in the market, then the company has no choice but to go offshore in one form or another. For the benefit of all Americans, the corporate tax rate should be 0%.

Another thing - It is not corporations who are raiding your 401K, it is the gangster Marxist Obama regime who is stealing your retirement. By printing $1.5 trillion every year in monopoly money, they are massively debasing our currency as we speak. Any paper assets you have (IRA's, 401k's, stocks, bonds, mutual funds, annuities, etc) will also be devalued accordingly. The currency you are paid in will buy less and less in goods and services. Our gangster government is stealing your retirement and your livelihood at the same time.

You either vote for whoever the Republican nominee is, even if it is Romney, or you will by default re-elect the Marxist regime and the generational theft will continue apace. It is really that simple.

fckewe| 1.13.12 @ 9:50AM

Last time I checked, $1.27 to the Euro was pretty good! I shorted 5 straddles when it hit $1.60 and killed for 4 months. But I didn't ax anyone's job, child's future or steal their pension and dump it into the Government's lap for a taxpayer bailout like Romney did. THAT was business as usual for him.

I just took a risk and free marketed paranoia to financial security. ~S~ have a nice retirement future handing out carts @ WalMart. Don't forget to thank RedParty deregulation, George Bush and his tax hack acts and Newt and the '96 Congress for selling your devoted Republican ass out!

Dmac| 1.12.12 @ 12:04PM

Capitalism is not stopping us from developing our energy resouces and I didn't say that. Politics is keeping us from developing those resources.
The main point I'm trying to make is this, if only 20% of our children are college material, what jobs will the 80% that don't go to college do to make a living. They need those welding and machinist jobs so they can make a decent living.

I'll give you an example of capitalism out of control. Why are American corporations bringing in so many Indian engineers when there are plenty of un-employed American engineers? Because an Indian engineer will work for a third of what a U.S. college gradute engineer will work for. Pretty damn out of control when our so called American corporations do stuff like this when their CEO's, CFO's and other board members rake in record bonuses and salaries.
So George, just what do the 80% of our younger generation do if they aren't college grads? They can't all work at Wal-Mart.
And your arguement about low cost goods at Wal-Mart, you forgot to add the cost I mentioned above. Un-employment benefits, food stamps and such. Remeber when you buy that Chinese crap to add the cost of that to the total and that crap just became very expensive.
We had better start becoming just a bit more nationalistic and look out for our own. China, India and Saudi Arabia are not going to look out for the welfare of our fellow American. Americans must look out for the welfare of fellow Americans.

George S| 1.12.12 @ 12:58PM

Dmac, I understand your frustration believe me. But your are aiming it at the wrong target.

Back in 1950, government consumed about 10% of GDP. In 1970, it was about 15%. Between that time, the median salary for the average American almost doubled. Yet today, that median salary is right about where it was in 1970 (in terms of buying power). What happened? Well, today government consumes 40% of GDP. That means today's American has to work harder and more productively to earn his keep. That extra money then gets consumed by government. The employer must now hire a cadre of Human Resources staff to abide by federal regulations (paid leave, medical benefits and wage administration, etc). They now have to spend on legal counsel to wade through regulations; spend money on accountants to steer clear of Sarbanes-Oxley, for example; hire lobbyists and consultants to keep clear of taxes and labor laws; put up with ADA regulation by spending more on architects and code consultants; put up with afflictions and disorders that are now considered non-fireable; pay fines and penalties that locust local government agencies such as the Building Department or Landmarks Preservation swoops down to collect. All those extra labors cost money -- and they get that money from the work you do. Those compliance costs laborers do not produce goods or services that are salable. That is the meaning of Government Consumes 40% GDP. And why salaries have not climbed.

As far as our work force is concerned, those 80% who do not go to college cannot get a job because it is illegal for an employer to give an aptitude test. That's why they require college degrees, as a back door standby that the applicant has the discipline to do the work.

Also, what stops people from doing work that others want? Government. Try opening a barber shop or an auto repair shop without the appropriate permits and licenses. Try offering plumbing or electrical services without a state sanctioned license. Hell, you cannot even operate a lemonade stand without a health department official showing up accompanied by a SWAT team (that is not hyperbole).

What about technically trained Americans such as engineers? It is not the salary that is at issue -- it is the fact that Americans do not graduate enough kids with the skills to become productive engineers. Kids in India are not burdened with politically correct diversity and multi-culti curricula; they get no quarter for "trying" or credit for participating -- they are either right or wrong or else they do not graduate. That's why major corporations hire out to India for tech support -- a 19-year old kid has the skills that simply do not exist over here. Blame our educators and politicians for that.

Dmac| 1.12.12 @ 2:17PM

George,
you're talking about a seperate issue. Government has become totally bloated. I totally agree with you there, but its a seperate issue from what corporations are doing.

Jack London| 1.12.12 @ 7:27PM

'Back in 1950, government consumed about 10% of GDP.'

That's nonsense George. It was well over 20%. Go look it up. And as you know full well, without social security, and Medicare/Medicaid, which make up most of the subsequent % increase, we would we living in a third world nation.

fmm| 1.12.12 @ 11:36AM

The average profit margin has been less than 4% of sales for decades in this country, mostly due to the high cost of taxation and regulations. Try going to financial reports of major corporations and see for yourself. Government regulations are becoming more onerous everyday, costing companies even more to operate. That is why most companies go offshore, to be able to maintain that slim margin or to improve it. In this era of big government, it is government decisions which force company decisions, including the move toward crony capitalism, not the other way around. Ask yourself, who has the power of law behind them, government or companies?

Dmac| 1.12.12 @ 12:17PM

Thats total B.S.. I work in manufacturing and we wouldn't sell anything at amargin near that. Like they say, you can make numbers say anything you want.
I'll give you an example of why corporations don't sell at 4%. If the bank will pay you 5% on your money, you don't sell your goods at 4%.
I'll let you in on something. Oil companies claim they only make 3-4% on their goods. Sure they do, times 4.
lets say Ajax is an oil comapny. Ajax siesmology goes out and looks for likely places to drill for oil. They sell the information they get to Ajax exploration for 4%. Ajax exploration finds oil and they sell it to Ajax pipeline for 4%. Ajax pipeline then sells it to Ajax refining for, you guessed it, 4%. Ajax refining now sell the oil by product (gasoline, kerosine, tar, whatever) to the distributor for another 4%. Now add up all the 4%'s and what do you have? 16%, and all of the Ajax companies really belong to one company.
fmm, you don;t understand how our capitalism has been playing the game with our politicians.
Let me ask you fmm, why does any company pay its officers a bonus when the company reports a loss? Because it's not really what it seems. If it were what it seems the FTC would have stepped in by now and outlawed the practice. Does it really make sense that you and IK can't make a decent return on our 401K's but CEO's of bankrupt companies can get multi million dollar bonuses, even when they've had a bailout from the taxpayer? Wake the hell up to reality. Capitalism run amuck is nothing but thievery and we need to corrct it and bring it into balance with what sustains a vialbe work force than can contribute to the economy of the United States. Not drain it by sending all the jobs overseas and putting millions upon milion of Americans on welfare.

George True| 1.12.12 @ 1:49PM

You have it exactly backwards. It is GOVERNMENT run amuck that is committing thievery on a scale that is orders of magnitude greater than the most predatory corporation could ever conceive of.

What sustains a viable work force is unfettered free market capitalism, which is something that we don't really have in this country anymore.

VonMisesJr| 1.12.12 @ 2:02PM

Dmac, there is a term known as and unknowing incompetent. The 4% profit margin is net of expenses and taxes. It is the return after cost of goods, operating expenses that salaries and benefits, and taxes. Of course you don't sell something that cost you $96 for cost of goods for $100. But if your total costs are $96 and you can sell lots of X for $100, you take as many orders as you can.
If you sell a million X, you make $4M whether you pay your executives a bonus or not. It was included in the operating expenses.
If it cost you $104 cost of goods and you sell at $100, you fire the CEO and refuse future orders until you are selling profitable deals.
This is why you need to learn before you speak. Your conundrums all seem to have one thing in common: you view profit as thievery.

Dmac| 1.12.12 @ 2:27PM

Von,
you're leaving something out. The board/management looks at the profits, then decides what kind of a bonus they want for themselves. Lets say the comapany made 12% profit after all expenses including payroll, but the report has not been released yet. The board/management then say we'll take 4% of that profit for our bonuses, now we can claim we only made 8%.
Thats the real world. The rich are getting inceadibly richer and the working class are getting poorer by the day.
Is government out of control, damn straight it is and I agree with you.
Let me ask you something, don't you think with as corrupt as out politicians are that U.S. businesses couldn't get what they want? Figure it out, they're getting exactly what they want. Bailouts worth billions that they are sitting on. Tax loop holes galore. Overseas profits they don't pay one cent of tax on. Don't tell me they are overtaxed. As you stated above, "
It is the return after cost of goods, operating expenses that salaries and benefits, and TAXES." Business have accountants that tell them in advance wht their liely taxes are and they incorporate that expense into the cost of their goods when they determine the margin they need to make. Its not that hard to understand, businesses pass on ALL THEIR COST TO THE BUYER. Thats how they make a profit.

VonMisesJr| 1.12.12 @ 3:47PM

If you had any concept of how capitalism works, you would never make such foolish statements.
Have you ever invested in individual stocks? If I invest in a stock and the return is poor, I sell and buy something else. I do it all the time.
Do you buy whatever you want regardless of price? If the evil management/board you perceive as boogymen affect the price by so-called stealing the profits and forcing up prices, there are competitors willing to sell at a fair price. Do you know anything about economic substitutes? If beef producers collude and make ribeye too expensive, I can buy lamb chops. I like lamb chops, don't you?
It is Solyndra that is paying $10K to $50K bonuses to executives in a failed and bailed out industry, not competitive private companies not sucking at the government teat.
If you think you are so damn smart, why don't you take a couple weeks to read Von Mises "Human Action," and we can have an intelligent conversation. Otherwise, I will make money investing and wise decisions in my purchases; and you can wonder why you are one of the serfs.
Just trying to help others, not just myself and other people who "have eyes to see." Greed and envy will deliver you to serfdom. You won't meet me there.

Dmac| 1.12.12 @ 5:59PM

Von,
Unlike you I don't have the time to personally manage my stocks. Sorry but my portfolio, like most Americans is very very small. I have a 401K through my job. Every 5-7 years it seems the market crashes and I lose a very large percentage of what I had invested.
Let me give you an example of what angers so many Americans about the market. After it crashed in 2007 the Principal Group, that administered our company sponsered 401K came ot our offices to have a meeting with all the employees. Basically it was them saying to us, keep your money invested, so they could gain from it of course. Most of us had already lost 25% or more of what we had in it. I asked the representative, and I quote, "what companies does the Principle group have someone stiing on the board?" She couldn't answer, but responded with, "why do you ask that?". My response was, "becasue those are the companies I want my 401K money moved into". She again asked "why?" My response, "because those are the companies that you are looking out for the stock holders"
Corporate America is and has been stealing money from American workers through their 401K's for some time now, and you damn well know it. We all know it. Maybe you can afford to sit at home and day trade, there are those of us who just Joe Schmoes who work for a living. We have no desire to be rich. We just want to have some financial security, and nearly none of us would want to ever make money by stealing it from our neighbors 401K.
Don't tell me all capitalist are honest. The big Wall Street fat cats are every bit as dishonest as the politicians and they are in bed together. What goes in in the U.S. we call bribery everywhere else, here we've made it legal. Either way its immoral, disgusting and its going to create a revolution that will spill blood on the streets if it doesn't change soon.
The elitists of the country need to think about something. If a revolution starts, just who do they think will protect them? The National Guard that is made up of the middle and lower classes and their children? A day of reckoning is coming. Yeah it take out the communist, socialist and deviants if it happens, but the elitists won't be lleft untouched. They'll be held accountable for the things they've done to this country. You see, there are those of us who still beleive in The United States of America and the good it represent, and we getting to a boiling point with the elitists in this country.

Al Adab| 1.12.12 @ 11:04AM

Aside from social issues, our political parties have divided over exactly this issue. One holds that government is empowered to create economic equality and that those with less are such by action of those who have more. The other maintains that government exists to allow opportunity so that many can strive and some succeed and to protect the property and earning of individuals.

Through that prism come all sorts of misguided policy. To treat persons as members of groups or classes rather than as individuals demeans the citizen. To determine who has too much or too little implies a governing authority empowered to confiscate from some for the benefit of others. None of these concepts may be found in the political theories upon which the American nation was constructed.

There is in fact the source of American exceptionalism. To be an American Citizen one adheres to a set of theories and principles found nowhere else in nations of the world. One chooses to follow those principles where they lead. That is why so many from around the world come, give their alligence to and become Americans. If more of those born to citizenship understood the value and uniqueness of what they hold, the Liberties of citizens would not today be endangerd by the demagogues who practice class warfare for their own gain.

OregonBuzz| 1.12.12 @ 11:19AM

I'm not a Romney fan, and none of the candidates have proven that they are true conservatives, however I will vote for whomever is nominated in hopes of unseating the Idiot Who would be King. Romney is, in my opinion, a RINO, and the GOP likes him because they do not want anyone who would disturb the status quo. With Obama, the country will quickly be turned into a socialist hell. With Romney it will just take longer.

fmm| 1.12.12 @ 11:21AM

Let politics go on long enough and truth will eventually show through. I was convinced from the past good things that Ginrich did in the 90's, his about 90% conservative rating, and his excellent oratory skills that he would be the best opponent against the current disaster holding the oval office. However, the current attacks on Romney and the form they took have brought the true self serving Ginrich to the fore. It is truly hard to differentiate him from Obama in his narcissism. Given his legislative accomplishments, I always wondered how he came to have so many troubles with the House when he was speaker, and I think this current flap has shown why. Even so, Romney is still a hard pill to swallow due to his past liberal and statist positions (if he wanted to be governor in a liberal state he had no business running as a Republican). The only true conservative left in the race is Santorum and he has no chance of overtaking Romney. So bite the bullet, hold your nose, and hope we can have some stalwarts in congress who will actually address the issues drowning this country.

Mimi| 1.12.12 @ 11:58AM

Newt obeyed the 11th commandment like a saint...until he got his gut ripped out by Romneys and Pauls MONEY machines, to the tune of Millions! Also 95% of all negative adds went his way. He took the loss of 20 percentage points. Finally he decided to FIGHT BACK.
Now they are "OUTRAGED" what fakes! He is not fighting anybody from the LEFT...he is telling us about greasy, dirty money grubbing behavior, that drove jobs from all 50 states many given away to foriegn country's.....We are crying now...."WHERE are the JOBS ??"... Question what exactly was Romney's roll in this... we have seen Newts dirty clothes swaying out in the open in the breeze....how about Romney? No one is perfect if we are HUMAN ....to be un-authentic is the worse....Where is the WARTS Mitt?

W| 1.12.12 @ 3:50PM

Were the ads truthful or false? Both can be negative, but the problem is whether it is true or false. McCain and Hillary refused to run ads against Obama over Rev Wright because they were negative. But they were also true.

David| 1.12.12 @ 11:36AM

Timothy, it seems that a lot of people who post on this site don't give a sh_t about the facts of any particular situation. When presented with counter arguments they simply repeat what they said in their previous posts.

Personally, I think it is becoming pretty clear that Santorum is the NON-ROMNEY candidate to support. He is the one standing above the fray right now. He is conducting himself in the same manner that I have witnessed his many years in politics.

David| 1.12.12 @ 11:52AM

Hey folks, this is information on Santorum from RedState. It was published on January 6, 2012.

I keep telling everyone to get behind Santorum now - support him with five bucks. Forget Perry and Huntsman and Gingrich and Paul. Santorum can win - and win as a conservative.

The following is From RedState.

Here are his ratings from when he was in Congress:

American Conservative Union — 88%
National Right to Life Committee — 100%
Americans for Tax Reform — 95%
National Tax Limitation Committee — 92%
U.S. Chamber of Commerce — 88%
League of Private Property Voters — 94%

Now remember, this is Santorum’s House ratings, in a DEMOCRAT district. How many Republicans in Democrat areas vote this conservative? Kirk? Snowe? That’s conviction! Santorum is NOT a ‘big government conservative’ but an across-the-board mainstream conservative with a solidly conservative voting record, albeit marred with the support for earmarks and some spending bills that many Republicans in Bush eara fell prey to.

Yet another source that looks at Santorum’s record is Jen Rubin, who likewise absolves Santorum of the phony claim that he is a big-government conservative:

“While in Iowa, Texas Gov. Rick Perry tried to begin a line of attack on Rick Santorum claiming that the former Pennsylvania senator is a big-government conservative. That attack seems poorly thought through (shocking, I know from such a meticulous campaign) for several reasons.

First, Santorum is to the right of Perry in some important ways. Santorum opposed the Troubled Assets Relief Program; Perry wrote a letter on the day of the Senate vote urging Congress to pass legislation to avert a meltdown. Santorum, as we saw in the debates, is likewise to the right of Perry (and Newt Gingrich, for that matter) on immigration.

Indeed, Santorum’s supposed deviations from conservative orthodoxy are similar those of his rivals. He voted for earmarks and highway funds. Gov. Perry took the money. Santorum voted for Medicare Part D; Gingrich lobbied for it, and Perry said in a debate that he wouldn’t repeal it.”

“And finally, Santorum has put together an aggressive spending reduction plan. He’s for the balanced-budget amendment. He’s embraced Rep. Paul Ryan’s Medicare reform plan. He’s in favor of Social Security reform, against energy subsidies, for privatizing Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, and in favor of repealing Obamacare. The guy is no liberal when it comes to spending taxpayer money. Is he to the right of Gingrich? Yes. To the left of Ron Paul? Yes. But so are most GOP voters.”

Where Santorum deviated from the conservative line, like his vote on NAFTA and his support for earmarks, he was doing the exceptional thing, and those deviations were in most cases catering to his constituents. But UNLIKE most Northeast Republicans, that ‘catering’ did not extend to abandoning conservative principles again and again. They’ve been the exception to the rule that Congressman and Senator Rick Santorum held. With his support for lower taxes, prolife and profamily policies, conservative Judges, for balanced budgets and entitlement reform, against McCain-Feingold, for school choice, against TARP and Frank-Dodd. Rick Santorum has had a solid and mostly consistent conservative voting record.

Santorum further has a solid and conservative agenda for President. Romney timidly talks of getting spending maybe down to 20% of GDP. Rick Santorum fully supports the Republican balanced budget amendment that caps spending at 18% of GDP. He wants lower tax rates for all, going to a 10%/28% two tier tax rate and lowering corporate tax rates.

While Gingrich criticized the Ryan roadmap, Santorum embraced it. Newt supported Medicare Part D, supported at one time healthcare mandates, and supported all the Bush programs that conservatives object to in Santorum’s voting record. Romney has gone further of course, embracing not just TARP, but healthcare mandates and failing to even fully criticize the Obama stimulus spending. Only Gingrich or Santorum will wage a campaign that fully challenges Obama’s whole agenda and actually works to repeal it. Newt has pegged Mitt Romney rightly as a Massachusetts moderate, but Newt is not without flys in his ointment either, from global warming to embracing Hillary, Pelosi and Al Sharpton (!) at various times in attempts to ‘reach across’ bipartisanly.

The bottom line is that between Newt, Santorum, and Romney .. Santorum is the one who is most fiscally conservative and who will have the most fiscally conservative administration as President.

Both Newt and Santorum are conservative. Just not perfect conservatives. For those who say that Santorum is not a ‘true conservative’, I would argue simply that if an 85% ACU rating and leadership on conservative issues in Congress for almost 2 decades is not enough, you will NEVER find a ‘true conservative’ in the Presidential field.

For the rest of us without that fine a filter, yes, Rick Santorum is a ‘true conservative’. Conservatives will be happy with his SCOTUS picks, his support of our military, his support for life, his tax reform and entitlement reforms, his pro-energy policies, his economic growth agenda, his fiscally responsible budgets, and his appeal to get America working again.

George True| 1.12.12 @ 2:03PM

Well stated, David. We can only hope and pray that Santorum can overtake Romney. But if Romney is the nominee, he would still be a hundred times better than the Marxist we currently have.

fckewe| 1.13.12 @ 10:05AM

I hate to burst you bubble, but National polls of right wing fanatics in an airport men's room don't speak fro the voters in his district.

American Conservative Union — 88%
National Right to Life Committee — 100%
Americans for Tax Reform — 95%
National Tax Limitation Committee — 92%
U.S. Chamber of Commerce — 88%
League of Private Property Voters — 94%
Now remember, this is Santorum’s House ratings, in a DEMOCRAT district. As usual, your skewed RED party agenda is blatently obvious. Let Me abort your baby concept right now, before it is born full of defects and needs to be euthanized.

The citizens, both RED and BLUE in his district tossed his corrupt, secret mortgage taking, floor vote selling carcass with a REAL poll opinion, you know a VOTE! Can you tell the class who they preferred by an 18% margin?

Bob Casey. Who won because ? Santorum was a lynchpin in the corruption that was Washington in 2006.

Oldefarte| 1.12.12 @ 11:56AM

I'll proudly support VULTURE CAPITALISM over VULTURE SOCIALISM any day, anytime, anywhere in order to save this nation from the destruction of the last three [more like 50] years of Democratic community organizing Acorn style!!!!!!

Anthony| 1.12.12 @ 12:06PM

We better, because if we don't, as sure as Hell, Obozo's Vulture Socialism will pick America's carcass clean.

martin j smith| 1.12.12 @ 12:11PM

Paul is being used by Romney for his own purposes but Paul uses Romney too. They have mutual love affair but in fact are on different planets. Meanwhile back in the real world these two clowns
are making it very difficult to find a genuine candidate for President of the USA. The Socialists are also using Ron Paul as well. But then again the Ron Paul crowd love crony capitalism too sow its one kumbaya jamboree for them -yeeha.

Clint| 1.12.12 @ 12:43PM

The Israel Firster Smear Bund Liars Are In The Building.
Dr. Ron Paul Opposes Insider Trading, TARP, Big Government Confiscated American Taxpayers Money Being Used For Crony Capitalist & Union Crony Bail Outs.

Aaaaand, Dr.Ron Paul Is Only Two Delegates Behind The RINO-CINO Chickenhawk, Mittens Romney.

The Tea Party Rebellion Steps On The Israel Firster Smear Bund Liars.

martin j smith| 1.12.12 @ 12:11PM

Paul is being used by Romney for his own purposes but Paul uses Romney too. They have mutual love affair but in fact are on different planets. Meanwhile back in the real world these two clowns
are making it very difficult to find a genuine candidate for President of the USA. The Socialists are also using Ron Paul as well. But then again the Ron Paul crowd love crony capitalism too sow its one kumbaya jamboree for them -yeeha.

Clint| 1.12.12 @ 12:45PM

The Israel Firster Smear Bund Liars Are In The Building.
Dr. Ron Paul Opposes Insider Trading, TARP, Big Government Confiscated American Taxpayers Money Being Used For Crony Capitalist & Union Crony Bail Outs.

Aaaaand, Dr.Ron Paul Is Only Two Delegates Behind The RINO-CINO Chickenhawk, Mittens Romney.

The Tea Party Rebellion Steps On The Israel Firster Smear Bund Liars.

shipley130| 1.12.12 @ 1:29PM

Your smear is out of date. You need to go visit the OB/GYN for a new one.

Clint| 1.12.12 @ 1:58PM

That's An Israel Firster Smear Bund, Pap Smear.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is In South Carolina.

Kurt| 1.12.12 @ 12:17PM

Mitt Romney digusts me! I have tale of a small midwest factory that I used to do work for as an outside contractor. This was around 1994 when this happened, the factory employed around 600 people, the largest employer in the town. In 1993 the ceo visited the factory and told all the employees that the factory would be there for many years to come and they were making a huge multi-million dollar investment in updating the plant. The employees, knowing that the plant would be around for years went out and bought new cars and homes, they THOUGHT they were safe. I became a good friend of the maintainece superviser that signed my invoices and one day I spouted off about how good things were going there with all the upgrades to equipment. He looked me in the eye and said this new equipment can be loaded on the back of a flat bed and be gone tomorrow, and he also stated that the roof has leaked all over the factory for years but not a dime has been spent on it during this upgrade! Well about six or so months later I rolled into the employee parking lot and it looked more like a used car lot with all the for sale signs on the vehicles. I went in to check in with the maintainence supervisor, my friend and was told the factory would cease to exist in less than thirty days and nothing was broke down and he wanted me to write up an invoice for a repair that I didn't do and make it as close to his $2000 signing limit as possible! This man spent most of his life in the factory, both day and night keeping the machinery going like many others and was being disguarded for cheaper slave labor in Mexico. When I see the mug of this corporate raider POS Romney I see the faces of all the workers I knew, good hard working people, that just wanted better for their families, being thrown out like yesterdays garbage, I feel sick, and will vote for ANYONE other than that ivy league SCUMBAG of a boy ROMNEY!

George True| 1.12.12 @ 2:45PM

I would take any of the Republican candidates, including Romney, over the Marxist gangster we currently have.

Dmac| 1.12.12 @ 3:03PM

Kyrt,
This is what daddy Bush brought us. The New World Order. A world where corporations have absolutly no comapssion for the citizens of the nation. The world is turning onto one large serfdom. Internationalism is a joke, a sad joke. But no, most people on this site beleive that any kind of captitalism is okay, even when it cost their neighbor his job. Yeah, its okay until you lose your job, but who's left to cry for you? A China man that just took your job for pennies on the day thats who. All so some son of a bitch CEO can give himself another 5 million dollar bonus, report a loss, stick the average stock holder, and get a fricken government tax payer bailout that dis-appears overnight just before they file for bankruptcy. Thats today my friends is American capitalism. F everybody because I'm gettin mine. We see it when laze welfare fraud artist do it and we want them thrown in prison, but we turn a blind eye when millionaire's do it.

MikeG| 1.12.12 @ 4:23PM

Kurt,
What exactly does this have to do with Romney? Did he close the plant?
You sound like an Obama vote.

W| 1.12.12 @ 7:22PM

You are not a Republican or conservative but a Dem or OccupyWS plant. Get lost.

Kurt| 1.12.12 @ 11:04PM

Doesn't conservative mean to conserve or play for the home team, that is what I believe I am! If standing up for the american worker makes me an OWS plant or a dem than I will accept that! If rejecting neo-liberalism, which is what the establishment republicans pretty much are about anymore, from Bush 1 on, I guess I am a man without a party..oh well, I will not compromise my values to be part of this new republican globalist party! NO THANKS!

David| 1.12.12 @ 1:06PM

Come on Kurt, get a grip. I am no Romney supporter, but to blame him is............well, ridiculous.

Kurt| 1.12.12 @ 2:42PM

David,
Did you see the article about the Chinese plant foxconn, where 300 employees threatened a mass suicide on the roof of the plant if wage and living conditions didn't improve? When I see money junkies like Romney, Gates, Buffet, Soros, Slim and many more making more money then they could spend in 1,000 life times off the backs of slave laborers like the people in this plant producing cases for apple and microsoft I have a major problem, to me there is right and wrong and these money junkies must be put in there place, I prefer at the end of a rope!

Dmac| 1.12.12 @ 3:52PM

I have to agree with Kurt here. This country is being divided not only socially, but phisically. The Democrats are taking up with all the minority whacko social groups and the Republicans are taking up with the rich, powerful elitists. The middle class is being left to fend for itself and is being destroyed in the process. Our problems are not just the fault of government. They are not just the fault of capitalism run amuck. They are however the fault of politicians and corporate boards. The middle class needs to wake the hell up if they want any kind of a future for their kids and grandkids.

George S| 1.12.12 @ 5:27PM

And if the Apples and the Microsofts were not in these countries, what would those "slave laborers" do? Go back to their lucrative careers in dirt farming?

What ever happened to critical thinking skills?

Kurt| 1.12.12 @ 6:14PM

I don't know you don't seem to have any!

shipley130| 1.12.12 @ 1:26PM

It's the Vulture Capitalists v the Vulture Socialists.

Kade| 1.12.12 @ 3:25PM

Bingo!

TrueBlue | 1.12.12 @ 2:00PM

A 22% failure rate with the exact same formula is suspicious to me. Given the number of companies Bain Capital was responsible for purchasing (either directly or through companies they had already purchased), it just seems too high to be normal. I can't think of any business that would accept a 20+% failure rate unless it was intentional.

Purchase company that is going under or barely staying afloat (good business if you think you can turn them around), turn the company around by downsizing and readjusting focus, etc. (also a good thing), wait a few years until profitability tops out and you can no longer generate increased profits, then drive the company into the ground, liquidate assets, and fire employees, then sell what remains to other companies peacemeal to make as much money as possible. All this while the guys in charge of the company get away with comfortable retirement packages or reassignment to other businesses owned by the primary company.

Like I said, it's suspicious. It COULD be entirely unintentional, just the way the cards fell, but if that is so, do we REALLY want a guy with a known 20% failure rate with businesses? Is that really something that inspires people to invest? Maybe I just don't see the appeal of investing in something with only an 80% success rate because I don't like to gamble, nor do I have millions/billions of dollars to do it with, but I've seen enough of the government gambling with our money thanks to the Obama administration.

Dmac| 1.12.12 @ 3:58PM

TrueBlue,
states, "Maybe I just don't see the appeal of investing in something with only an 80% success rate because I don't like to gamble, nor do I have millions/billions of dollars to do it with, but I've seen enough of the government gambling with our money thanks to the Obama administration." Romneys business venture didn't use his money either. Like the government businesses use other peoples money. That way after they have made all the profit they can from it, they bankrupt it leaving the lender nothing but an IOU worth 2 cents on the dollar. And we want a guy like this to be President? At least Obama will give some of the money he steals to the working poor. Todays CEO's and rich republicans don't even want you to get an un-employment check after they rape and pillage the company you just got laid off from.
I will not vote for Obama, but I sure as hell hate that I might have to vote for Romney. Its him and people like him that turn people to communism and socialism.
What the hell ever happened to responsible business leaders? Oh, thats rightm they went to college and got an MBA in business.

WhiteBikerTrash| 1.12.12 @ 2:06PM

Mitt can not win the General Election!!!! His private business history will rally Obama's base (MSM) and depress the Conservative turnout. Wall Street will be Obama's biggest donor, and his biggest enemy (RINO Mitt) a bigger fail than McCain!!

JimP| 1.12.12 @ 2:42PM

Respectfully, I'm tired of Romney's Bain experience not being fully represented in opinion pieces and so called objective analyses. Yes, Bain had a venture capital operation. That is constructive capitalism at its best. But the far bigger operation was the private equity side of the house. That is where the vast majority of the money was made at Bain during Romney's time actively working there. And the private equity operations purpose was to make as much money as possible for the investors. The gist, so far, of the research I have had to work to find and analyze about the private equity operation was to do what was necessary to make a quick buck for the investors regardless of the consequences. They were flipping businesses ASAP. The profits were enourmous.

Now the reader may make what they choose of this information. It wasn't illegal and it is part of the capitalist 'system'. But even one of Romney's former employees with the private equity operation said it was never their purpose to build businesses for the long term and thus make employment for people. [paraphrased]

If anyone cares to give me links or sources for detailed information on Bain I will happily add said info to my estimation. However, please don't cite one sided non objective sources, like Romney or his supporters etc and please start giving complete pictures of Romney/Bain and the things that went on there if you are publishing.

And btw, Romney isn't winning any rounds among my extended family members. Regardless of the Bain issue.

MikeG| 1.12.12 @ 3:52PM

Just vote for Ron Paul you like want.

George S| 1.12.12 @ 5:42PM

In order for there to be profit in "flipping businesses ASAP", enormous or otherwise, there must be someone who IS WILLING TO PAY the money that results in that profit. So who did the paying to Bain Capital and, more importantly, why?

And why is the buyer not part of this dastardly crime. They are the Johns to the whore Bain. Maybe we should make it a crime to buy failing businesses. Or maybe we should let the government pick which ones fail. Oh yeah... Dodd-Frank will do that. Then we will all be better off. Any day now.

JimP| 1.13.12 @ 11:49AM

LOL This is the kind of hysterical, distorted interpretation that has been so common among the anti "anti-capitalist" crowd. It is an example of exactly why I want people to give the complete picture of what was going on at Bain. Romney has been disingenuous, like all politicians, about his activities there. He made Bain an issue by using it as a reason to vote for him. I've been digging for the facts and a complete picture. Romney's supporters accuse or imply that anyone who even questions any of the activities at Bain is a socialist or an "anti-captialist". George's comment is just more of the same.

David| 1.12.12 @ 2:55PM

Kurt, I have much more disdain for the people who have been running our government and ruining our country for decades now. Treating and spending social security contributions as general revenue is just one example. I would like to see many hundreds from Congress at the end of a rope.

Kade| 1.12.12 @ 3:31PM

Yes, but government is owned by multi-national corporations and does their bidding -- it is We the Pepole who these corporate/government elite disdain.

David| 1.12.12 @ 4:00PM

Hey Sarah Palin and Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal, do you really want to see Romney as the nominee? I can't believe that any of you want that.

So, please come out an endorse a real conservative (hopefully Santorum) before it it too late.

Dmac| 1.12.12 @ 4:22PM

I'd be happy if Jindal ran for President, Rubio for Vice President and announce the alliance today so they could get involved in the discussion. We need some other choice than what we have. The remaining candidates have too much baggage.

POST American| 1.12.12 @ 9:54PM

---------------------FINAL WORD-----------------------

Again, let's drop the capstone engineered
'ISM--prison'.

We are demanding FREE MARKETS
-----------------------------FREE ENTERPRISE
--------------------------------and LIBERTY
as laid out and defined in the U.S. Constitution
and BIll of Rights, and grounded in Common
Law and upholding the Law of Moses.

----------------------------------------------GOT IT?

TeaPartyPatriot4ever| 1.12.12 @ 10:41PM

Mitt Romney, in the wake of his New Hampshire primary victory, the former governor likens himself to President Barack Obama. During an appearance on CBS today, Romney said his job-cutting actions at his Bain Capital investment firm were no different from Obama’s bailouts of the U.S. auto industry.

Romney said, quote- "In the general election I’ll be pointing out that the president took the reins at General Motors and Chrysler – closed factories, closed dealerships laid off thousands and thousands of workers – he did it to try to save the business,” unquote

No self respecting conservative Republican, let alone a Constitutional Conservative Tea Party Patriot, would ever even think of voting for a Liberal Republican Party establishment crony RINO Obama facsimile like Romney..  We would not, and will never, support and vote for that lying hypocritical crony RINO Obama-ite Republican, period.

The Republican Party establishment, and colluding Independents, not to mention the far left liberal media, are absolutely determined to put that Liberal RINO Romney, in the Republican Party Nomination seat, and then the White House, instead of Newt, which would be the death nill of the Tea Party Conservative influence, thus would destroy any and all Constitutional Conservative Tea Party causes and issues to be implemented, let alone addressed..

Romney is the Anti-Tea Party candidate, who is being touted as the sensible moderate middle class electable Republican. Romney will absolutely maintain the status quo, as well as destroy Reagan Conservatism, forever.

Romney is the Antithesis of Ronald Reagan, and Reaganism.

Ronald Reagan did not mean LBO’s, Bailouts, Buyouts, and Crony Capitalism, when he implemented his pro-capitalist economic recovery policies, so that American wall street firms, and corporate businesses, can practice corporate raiding, insider trading, and other such profitable enhancement and enrichment practices, at the expense of healthy/profitable business companies, the working employees, their pensions, their families, and their communities. In other words, just because Romney and Bain Capital, could legally destroy healthy profitable business companies, let alone unhealthy business companies, jobs, people’s pensions, families lives, and their communities, does not mean it is good and right.

If a company fails on it’s own through bad business practices, and declares bankruptcy, then so be it, that’s the free market system.. But when a company like Bain Capital and Romney, comes in, and buys out the company, that is business healthy, and supporting working families and communities, then carves it up for sale to the highest bidder, making hundreds of millions of dollars at the company and workers expense, thus destroying those people pensions, communities, and lives, then that is NOT Free Market Capitalism, like Rick Perry said, that’s "vulture capitalism".. It’s wrong, and should be illegal, as far as I’m concerned.

That’s why Romney is the real life Gordon Gekko, the epitome of corporate greed. He must be vetted on it, and should and must be accountable for..

This is not merely about Romney's legal or illegal corporate raider practices at Bain Capital.. It is also about Romney’s core values of Morality, Integrity, and Ethics, thus is about Romney’s personal character, especially if he wants to be the U.S. President. And judging by his actions as the CEO of Bain Capital, as well as Gov of Mass, I would say, he is not a person of Integrity, Trust, Honor, Ethics, and Moral character and fiber, whatsoever at all..

POST American| 1.13.12 @ 6:03AM

----BTW!

Just caught Peter Robinson's Uncommon
Knowledge with historian Andrew Roberts
on his latest WWII tome.

Aside from the fact that Roberts seems
to have nothing whatever new to report
about the done--to--death WWII,
the levels of by the book sycophancy
really is a problem.

MEANWHILE, as the entire U.S.
economy and much of its technology
was deliberately betrayed to Globalist
created RED China ---at U.S. taxpayer
X-pence ----NOT a single work, treatment
or volume on the staggeringly significant
60th Anniversary of the

---------------------KOREAN WAR----------------------

Robinson, and that whole Hoover
CFR front op is now more than
just annoying ----they're OBSTRUCTING.

JohnInFlorida| 1.13.12 @ 9:09AM

Claims of 100k jobs are not proof of 100k jobs. I'd like to see the proof before I buy into the claim.
Additionally, I'd also like to see his tax returns before I buy Mitt's "pig in a poke".

John| 1.14.12 @ 2:11AM

The fact that Romney's firm invested in companies that hired workers is irrelevant, because a President takes an oath to uphold the Constitution, not "create jobs". In fact, a partnership between government and industry is called Fascism, not Capitalism.

Richard Baker| 1.13.12 @ 12:37PM

All of this controversy over Bain begs the question. Where do his critics think the money to start, grow, and improve a business comes from? The ether, government, or the Tooth Fairy? When someone goes to a venture capitalist it's for two reasons. Either as a last resort or to advance a new/innovative idea that traditional banks won't back. Regardless of the above, those who decry capitalism have no idea or alternative to grow a business or economy except trendy, destructive socialism.

Oldefarte| 1.13.12 @ 1:37PM

'...Purp| 1.12.12 @ 6:55PM...Nope - the economy came from the local grocery store, the small farm, the hardware store and millions of small factories and shops - that's the problem. The Trump's, the Romney's, the Jobs, the Gates, the Welsh's created wealth at the expense of others and crushed competition (with the exception of Jobs, who lost out to Gates over the pc). We are left with huge transnational companies beholden to no one country or people, but only beholden to the almighty dollar. Graft, corruption, owning politicians, all becomes easy when you're only driving force is making money....' No dumbars, you obviously don't know excrement about business, since on average 50%-60% of the samll businesses you site FAIL within three years of establishment due to inept knowledge of required business practices on the part of their owners [such as yourself]. In effect, a small grocery store owner or plumber knows food and plumbing but not accounting, accounts receivables, marketing etc that is also required to properly manage a business. They therefore fail or go out of business within that three year span, or possibly are rescued by a BAIN-TYPE CAPITALIST who does know business practices necessary to make that small business profitable and survivable in the long run!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

John| 1.14.12 @ 2:06AM

Romney is not a free market Capitalist. He supports the central bank price fixing, TARP bailouts, Socialized Medicine, Energy & Govt subsidies, the Dept of Education, forced participation in Social Srcurity. He is OBAMA LITE, and no different than McCain. A Presidents Oath is to uphold the Constitution, not run the economy. The head of state "manages the economy in a FASCIST state, which is what Romney advocates.

biomedlives| 1.14.12 @ 8:49AM

Can any one provide the analysis that credits Romney with 100,000 jobs?

Zak Klemmer | 1.15.12 @ 11:24AM

Government doesn't create jobs or wealth. It merely robs Peter to pay Paul. When tax rates fall and regulations are less restrictive thereby motivating people to invest in business expansion, new products, job growth, etc., it's not the President or Congress that created the prosperity. It's Human Action pure and simple.

Zak Klemmer | 1.15.12 @ 11:15AM

The rub is that in American politics all the big and powerful are lefties, sons and daughters of privilege.
So the GOP gets the bad rap of being the party of the rich? Look at the net worth of the US Senate, the wealthy are predominately Democrats.

POST American| 1.16.12 @ 2:05AM

"Gingrich is a Globalist. He's even
beyond that, ---he's EVIL. Romney
is NOT a bad man, but he is 'on board'
and a liar. But, bottom line ---Romney is
Gingrich just better looking.."
-ALEX JONES
InfoWars
(Now the #2 new site
in the world!)

Romney is PRO-carbon taxes
---------------PRO open borders
----------------PRO abortion
-----------------PRO NAFTA/Gatt
-------------------Scriptor of 'Obamacare'
--------------------PRO 'Banker Bailouts'
---------------------ANTI-Second Amendment

---And SILENT on the issue of the
U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights
being definitively over-turned by
successive acts of the CFR Bush
administration ----and the recent
NDA 1031 of the Rockefeller Obama
regime.

Again, we're talking
----------------------'SUB-Mitt ROME--knee'.

In this, the 11th hour of the Globalist
RED China world TREASON and EUGENICS OP,
as food, air, water and meds are being
relentlessly weaponized for EUGENICS
---TAKE your TRUTH wherever you find it.

----------------------------------AND TAKE IT FAST

Elektro Roller | 1.28.12 @ 10:14PM

Elektro Roller

elektrisches Motorrad | 1.28.12 @ 10:15PM

elektrisches Motorrad

jim frees| 5.14.12 @ 7:12PM

Romney created how many jobs??? You must mean destroyed. Cuz that piece of flamming s^%$t only creates profit for himself at the expense of every single man, woman, child, and dog in his path.

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