The Plan B contretemps reveal an appalling lack of common -- and
moral and legal -- sense.
(Page 2 of 2)
• There would be nothing to prohibit a boy or a man
from buying an emergency contraceptive off the shelf and giving it
to a girl. In fact, the boy or man may buy it ahead of time since
the label for Plan B states that its effectiveness increases the
closer in time it is used after the act of intercourse.
• Although Plan B was approved by FDA as effective, and
has been approved for use by girls under 17 by prescription because
it is effective, the label for Plan B describes precisely how
ineffective it is: It will fail in 1 out of 8 cases. Girls reading
the label's description of the failure rate, as well as the portion
of the label that says there is no problem from overdosing, may
well be tempted to think that a double dose will be more effective.
In any case, the label concedes that one girl in eight will need a
Plan C.
• While emergency contraception is not supposed to be used
as a routine contraception (which requires a prescription), there
would be no legal obstacle to doing so. And, if it is true that the
side effects may only be menstrual bleeding, menstrual
cramps, headache, vomiting, and nausea, then a girl might use it
with some frequency.
• A November 2011 report by
the Census Bureau stated that 15.75 million children are living in
poverty. How would a poor girl come up with $50 to purchase
emergency contraception in a drugstore? Maybe the girl would obtain
it free or at a discount from Planned Parenthood, a school nurse, a
camp counselor. There may be no obstacle to Planned Parenthood,
school nurses, camp counselors, and others from stocking up on the
drug and providing it to minors -- without parental knowledge much
less consent.
• Finally, there is the effect of an FDA rule on the
prerogative of the states. Our states define incest, rape,
statutory rape, sexual abuse, and child abuse and neglect, and the
states mandate that certain categories of people must report
evidence of these offenses to the authorities. State law also
defines the responsibilities of parents. Federal agencies that
would affect state prerogatives such as these ought to, at a
minimum, explicitly consider and discuss them. Every federal agency
should appoint an advisory committee consisting of representatives
of state government to ensure that this occurs.
President Obama stated that the FDA rule as adopted by
Hamburg did not satisfy the test of common sense. Implicitly he
stated that his FDA Administrator lacked common sense. Should he
retain an official in his Administration who lacks common
sense?
It is bad enough for our federal government to facilitate
child sex. But it is even worse that this occurs in an environment
where, as noted, so many of our girls are living without fathers
who could help protect them from men and boys. And an equal number
of boys are living without fathers who could model for them, and
instruct them on, how to treat girls.
President Obama delivered a speech on December 6 in
Osawatamie, Kansas. He selected the town in imitation of President
Teddy Roosevelt who delivered a speech there in 1910. TR liked
popping his p's when he spoke. Let me pop them as I say:
Put a stop to public policies that don't protect our pubescent
children.
What? everyone gets to have sex with kids except me?
Alan Brooks| 12.16.11 @ 3:42AM
Being a closet homosexual like the president I could care lass
about girls.
florin| 12.15.11 @ 8:47AM
We have to remember that Obama chose as his school czaar
Jennings who wants child/adult sex to be legalized and who has
introduced homosexual sex manuals in elementary schools...although
there was a major outcry about this, Obama kept his precious
Jennings anyway. And Obama was the only one who voted against the
born alive infant act which wanted nurturing care to be provided
for an infant who survived an abortion attempt...Obama is not a
good man.
Alan Brooks| 12.15.11 @ 8:24PM
I want to cover Justin Bieber's naked body with mayonnaise and
Kaopectate.
Timothy L. Pennell| 12.15.11 @ 9:41AM
They're in favour of it, aren't they? They're in favour of Child
Sex. Most of their Core Constituents are in the Business of Child
Sex, be it the HOW TO part, the Engaging in it part, or the
Cleaning Up Afterwards part of it.
I know , for a FACT, that they can't get enough Sex Education,
going on in our ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. Oral Sex, Anal Sex, Group Sex,
Masturbation. It's all good. In fact, Obama's "Safe Schools" guy,
even wrote a Book, that I believe, is a 'JOY OF ANAL SEX'
Documentary, and he wants it being read in the 3rd Grade.
I KNOW that if you wanted to score yourself a few 14 Year Old
Girls, from South America, for PROSTITUTION? You can go to one of
Obama's Best Friends - ACORN - and someone there will hook you up.
No questions asked, baby.
I KNOW that Obama is 100% in Favour of School Teachers taking
Young Girls, no matter their age, to an Abortion Clinic, for an
Abortion, WITHOUT their Parent's PERMISSION. You need to Cross
State Lines? No Problem.
Do I need to go on? They have TAKEN our Children from us. What
they do, Teaching little kids about things that WE, as their
PARENTS, would never allow, especially at these young ages, is no
different from the COMMUNISTS, who remove the children from their
parents, to go live with THEM. The better to Wash Their Brains,
that way.
If teaching The Joys of Homosexual Anal Group Sex and Bondage,
isn't "Endangering the Welfare of a Minor" Charge, than what the
Hell is?
DTOM| 12.15.11 @ 10:03AM
December 8 is the Catholic Church's Feast of the Immaculate
Conception. How wonderfully ironic that that leading Christian
Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. would take the occasion to promote, by
illegal fiat, an illegal, abortion technique for little girls
raped, actually or statutorily based on the notion that because
they have been violated they are capable of reading and
comprehending the instructions. What grade level are the
instructions written at? 8th? 5th? K? Newborn?
Dear God in Heaven, we know we have sinned, but do we really
deserve THIS? Please Sir, it'd be such an easy, simple miracle for
You. Please, Sir, PLEASE!
DTOM| 12.15.11 @ 10:05AM
Ooops! TLP I wasn't responding to you in particular, I
mis-clicked. I do agree with you on all that. Shouldn't membership
in NAMBLA be prosecutable? I say yes, as a felony, yes. Time to
apply zero tolerance where it makes sense!
Timothy L. Pennell| 12.15.11 @ 10:45AM
I don't know. I think that maybe you were copying me. You
weren't copying me, were ya? Coal Carrier tells me that word's
going around that you're copying me.
You're not Copying me, are you? And why am I picturing Margaret
Thatcher and Meryl Streep naked, all of a sudden?
Rollando| 12.15.11 @ 3:49PM
Did you copy this?
Timothy L. Pennell| 12.15.11 @ 4:37PM
I'm copying it, right now.
Al Adab| 12.15.11 @ 10:45AM
Simply another example of the Lefts' penchant for moral
relativism and situational ethics. Once any semblance of a moral
compass or Truth are removed from the public square results like
this are to be expected.
As J. R. Ewing (of Dallas fame) once said, "Once you give up
integrity, all the rest is easy".
Riff Raff| 12.15.11 @ 10:49AM
This goes way beyond moral relativism. This is politics.
Leftists use sex as a means to separate children morally from their
parents, and once separated morally, they can be more easily
separated politically. The goal is politics.
Kingofthenet| 12.15.11 @ 12:22PM
OK, so now you coercive Conservatives can MAKE your daughter
have the baby, Happy Hitlers?
TrueBlue| 12.15.11 @ 1:32PM
Do I feel bad for them having to take care of, or at least carry
for 9 months, a child while they are still children themselves?
Yes. But it is a matter of taking responsibility for their actions,
regardless of their age, and the fact that women who have had an
abortion are more likely to commit suicide (even moreso than those
who had a miscarriage).
Contrary to leftist propoganda, the majority of cases of rape do
not result in pregnancy. They have this stupid habit of counting
women who call rape after they slept with someone while drunk, or
high on drugs, and then regretted it after they realized what
happened. Guess what, unless you were unwillingly drugged, it's not
rape, you made the choice to use the drug/alcohol. It's just one
more position the left takes to relieve people of responsibility
for their actions.
Now someone will bring up the line about how many children will
be born in poor homes or to parents unable to care for them, etc...
guess what, DON'T HAVE SEX IF YOU CAN'T TAKE CARE OF THE CHILD THAT
RESULTS!! (Now I'll get people yelling at me for suggesting
abstinence over personal pleasure.)
A TRUE Consevative | 12.15.11 @ 4:35PM
How about this instead, BTW: JUST as valid, "DON'T HAVE SEX IF
YOU CAN'T AFFORD PLAN B or an Abortion". but you God doesn't like
that one...
TrueBlue| 12.15.11 @ 5:53PM
God has nothing to do with it. When people have no facts
regarding abortion they always point to how God and religion must
be the reason people think a certain way. Hate to tell you (not
really), for a very long time I was extremely anti-religion, I
still do not agree with organized religion in general. Abortion
however has ALWAYS been wrong to me, the one exception being a TRUE
medical concern for the life of the mother. I helped several of my
friends in high school get through their unintended pregnancies
after their boyfriends ditched town, and they sure as heck had a
hard time balancing everything, but not a one of them regretted
their decision. That is the case for the majority of girls and
women who carry their pregnancy to term, the same cannot be said of
those who have abortions. This is FACT.
Basic biology tells you that life begins at conception, any
other ideals are political or opinion. You could even consider an
unborn child a parasite, but they would still be human. Heck,
children after birth are technically parasites, they don't really
produce or contribute anything to the family life. Your opinion is
not valid because it is just that, an opinion, whereas mine is
fact. A life is a life, regardless of what stage of development it
is at.
Then again, politicians are parasites...
poli - tics: multiple blood-sucking insects
By the way, if you want to call yourself A TRUE Conservative,
you might want to spell it correctly, the colon between BTW and
JUST is unnecessary, and "but" should be capitalized.
runningdeer| 12.19.11 @ 2:23AM
Excellent!
Al Adab| 12.15.11 @ 2:06PM
So some human beings are less significant than anothers based on
what standard? Convenience?
TrueBlue| 12.15.11 @ 2:17PM
They always go back to their belief that life doesn't begin
until after the child is born into the world (not that this has
prevented a subgroup from suggesting that post-birth "abortions"
are okay too), nevermind that practically every biologist in the
world has said it begins at conception, and apply it to other
animals without issue, but humans are different for some
reason.
Al Adab| 12.15.11 @ 4:27PM
Good question Blue,
At what point does retroactive abortion become murder?
Riff Raff| 12.15.11 @ 3:48PM
Your "compassion" for teen mothers is overwhelming. (yawn) Your
"concern" for your fellow people is boundless. I'm sure that, in
your "compassion" and "concern" you would be all to happy to
arrange sexual encountes for YOUR daughter. Maybe you can make some
"liberal" cash on the side as your kid's pimp. Maybe even watch it
yourself or charge admission. You're the type to do this;
shiftless, amoral, egotistical, arrogant, and frankly, stupid.
Old Blevins| 12.15.11 @ 2:26PM
The county where I live now requires me to get a prescription to
purchase over-the-counter allergy medicine. (Psuedophedrine...the
good stuff.) Oddly enough, even before the current
prescription-only law, minors under the age of 18 were not allowed
to purchase OTC psuedophedrine-based allergy medications. (Had to
drive to a different county to purchase a box of Claritin-D for my
16-year-old daughter before she went to summer camp.) I fully
realize that allergies and pregnancies are not equivalent medical
conditions. However, restrictions on minors are placed on other
products, such as alcohol and tobacco. It is hard for me to
rationalize allowing OTC purchases for minors for Plan B, while I
need a prescription for Claritin-D during the hayfever season.
cicero| 12.15.11 @ 4:42PM
Have they no shame? We have allowed the liberal teaching
establishment, and their supporters, to usurp our duties as parents
over the physical and moral insstruction of our children. Our
daughters have been rendered three legged antelopes in the jungles
of our colleges, schoolyards, and workplaces. Our sons have been
relegated to the status of adolescents forever. Do our children
really need to know the mechanics of all forms of sex in the 3rd
grade?
It is time we took back our civilization. Of course, that means
that it is up to us to raise our children, not the village's. It
means that fathers have to assume the traditianal role of provider
and protector of their woman and children. And it means that the
women have to resume their role as the center of the family, and
not just some inconstant party girl wanna be. But don't get me
started.
And we have to get government out of where it does not belong.
Ground Control| 12.16.11 @ 1:29AM
They didn't usurp MY duties! I sent my child to private school
and closely monitored what they taught. My wife and I agreed when
our child was a baby that public schools were unacceptable and we
would not use them. This was a wise decision, despite the cost and
we have no regrets.
Richard Baker| 12.15.11 @ 5:36PM
Sometimes when I read of this nonsense I think that NAMBLA and
others must be laughing out loud. The attitude of Sebilius and
others seems to be that the little weasels will do it anyway so
let's take the consequence out of it. This allows the adults to not
feel guilty in their own promiscuity. In their minds, the era of
Sport Fu**ing is NOT over.
coal carrier| 12.15.11 @ 8:01AM
The communist policy wonk is at it again.
Alan Brooks| 12.15.11 @ 6:18PM
What? everyone gets to have sex with kids except me?
Alan Brooks| 12.16.11 @ 3:42AM
Being a closet homosexual like the president I could care lass about girls.
florin| 12.15.11 @ 8:47AM
We have to remember that Obama chose as his school czaar Jennings who wants child/adult sex to be legalized and who has introduced homosexual sex manuals in elementary schools...although there was a major outcry about this, Obama kept his precious Jennings anyway. And Obama was the only one who voted against the born alive infant act which wanted nurturing care to be provided for an infant who survived an abortion attempt...Obama is not a good man.
Alan Brooks| 12.15.11 @ 8:24PM
I want to cover Justin Bieber's naked body with mayonnaise and Kaopectate.
Timothy L. Pennell| 12.15.11 @ 9:41AM
They're in favour of it, aren't they? They're in favour of Child Sex. Most of their Core Constituents are in the Business of Child Sex, be it the HOW TO part, the Engaging in it part, or the Cleaning Up Afterwards part of it.
I know , for a FACT, that they can't get enough Sex Education, going on in our ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. Oral Sex, Anal Sex, Group Sex, Masturbation. It's all good. In fact, Obama's "Safe Schools" guy, even wrote a Book, that I believe, is a 'JOY OF ANAL SEX' Documentary, and he wants it being read in the 3rd Grade.
I KNOW that if you wanted to score yourself a few 14 Year Old Girls, from South America, for PROSTITUTION? You can go to one of Obama's Best Friends - ACORN - and someone there will hook you up. No questions asked, baby.
I KNOW that Obama is 100% in Favour of School Teachers taking Young Girls, no matter their age, to an Abortion Clinic, for an Abortion, WITHOUT their Parent's PERMISSION. You need to Cross State Lines? No Problem.
Do I need to go on? They have TAKEN our Children from us. What they do, Teaching little kids about things that WE, as their PARENTS, would never allow, especially at these young ages, is no different from the COMMUNISTS, who remove the children from their parents, to go live with THEM. The better to Wash Their Brains, that way.
If teaching The Joys of Homosexual Anal Group Sex and Bondage, isn't "Endangering the Welfare of a Minor" Charge, than what the Hell is?
DTOM| 12.15.11 @ 10:03AM
December 8 is the Catholic Church's Feast of the Immaculate Conception. How wonderfully ironic that that leading Christian Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. would take the occasion to promote, by illegal fiat, an illegal, abortion technique for little girls raped, actually or statutorily based on the notion that because they have been violated they are capable of reading and comprehending the instructions. What grade level are the instructions written at? 8th? 5th? K? Newborn?
Dear God in Heaven, we know we have sinned, but do we really deserve THIS? Please Sir, it'd be such an easy, simple miracle for You. Please, Sir, PLEASE!
DTOM| 12.15.11 @ 10:05AM
Ooops! TLP I wasn't responding to you in particular, I mis-clicked. I do agree with you on all that. Shouldn't membership in NAMBLA be prosecutable? I say yes, as a felony, yes. Time to apply zero tolerance where it makes sense!
Timothy L. Pennell| 12.15.11 @ 10:45AM
I don't know. I think that maybe you were copying me. You weren't copying me, were ya? Coal Carrier tells me that word's going around that you're copying me.
You're not Copying me, are you? And why am I picturing Margaret Thatcher and Meryl Streep naked, all of a sudden?
Rollando| 12.15.11 @ 3:49PM
Did you copy this?
Timothy L. Pennell| 12.15.11 @ 4:37PM
I'm copying it, right now.
Al Adab| 12.15.11 @ 10:45AM
Simply another example of the Lefts' penchant for moral relativism and situational ethics. Once any semblance of a moral compass or Truth are removed from the public square results like this are to be expected.
As J. R. Ewing (of Dallas fame) once said, "Once you give up integrity, all the rest is easy".
Riff Raff| 12.15.11 @ 10:49AM
This goes way beyond moral relativism. This is politics. Leftists use sex as a means to separate children morally from their parents, and once separated morally, they can be more easily separated politically. The goal is politics.
Kingofthenet| 12.15.11 @ 12:22PM
OK, so now you coercive Conservatives can MAKE your daughter have the baby, Happy Hitlers?
TrueBlue| 12.15.11 @ 1:32PM
Do I feel bad for them having to take care of, or at least carry for 9 months, a child while they are still children themselves? Yes. But it is a matter of taking responsibility for their actions, regardless of their age, and the fact that women who have had an abortion are more likely to commit suicide (even moreso than those who had a miscarriage).
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ne.....20/5120107
Contrary to leftist propoganda, the majority of cases of rape do not result in pregnancy. They have this stupid habit of counting women who call rape after they slept with someone while drunk, or high on drugs, and then regretted it after they realized what happened. Guess what, unless you were unwillingly drugged, it's not rape, you made the choice to use the drug/alcohol. It's just one more position the left takes to relieve people of responsibility for their actions.
Now someone will bring up the line about how many children will be born in poor homes or to parents unable to care for them, etc... guess what, DON'T HAVE SEX IF YOU CAN'T TAKE CARE OF THE CHILD THAT RESULTS!! (Now I'll get people yelling at me for suggesting abstinence over personal pleasure.)
A TRUE Consevative | 12.15.11 @ 4:35PM
How about this instead, BTW: JUST as valid, "DON'T HAVE SEX IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD PLAN B or an Abortion". but you God doesn't like that one...
TrueBlue| 12.15.11 @ 5:53PM
God has nothing to do with it. When people have no facts regarding abortion they always point to how God and religion must be the reason people think a certain way. Hate to tell you (not really), for a very long time I was extremely anti-religion, I still do not agree with organized religion in general. Abortion however has ALWAYS been wrong to me, the one exception being a TRUE medical concern for the life of the mother. I helped several of my friends in high school get through their unintended pregnancies after their boyfriends ditched town, and they sure as heck had a hard time balancing everything, but not a one of them regretted their decision. That is the case for the majority of girls and women who carry their pregnancy to term, the same cannot be said of those who have abortions. This is FACT.
Basic biology tells you that life begins at conception, any other ideals are political or opinion. You could even consider an unborn child a parasite, but they would still be human. Heck, children after birth are technically parasites, they don't really produce or contribute anything to the family life. Your opinion is not valid because it is just that, an opinion, whereas mine is fact. A life is a life, regardless of what stage of development it is at.
Then again, politicians are parasites...
poli - tics: multiple blood-sucking insects
By the way, if you want to call yourself A TRUE Conservative, you might want to spell it correctly, the colon between BTW and JUST is unnecessary, and "but" should be capitalized.
runningdeer| 12.19.11 @ 2:23AM
Excellent!
Al Adab| 12.15.11 @ 2:06PM
So some human beings are less significant than anothers based on what standard? Convenience?
TrueBlue| 12.15.11 @ 2:17PM
They always go back to their belief that life doesn't begin until after the child is born into the world (not that this has prevented a subgroup from suggesting that post-birth "abortions" are okay too), nevermind that practically every biologist in the world has said it begins at conception, and apply it to other animals without issue, but humans are different for some reason.
Al Adab| 12.15.11 @ 4:27PM
Good question Blue,
At what point does retroactive abortion become murder?
Riff Raff| 12.15.11 @ 3:48PM
Your "compassion" for teen mothers is overwhelming. (yawn) Your "concern" for your fellow people is boundless. I'm sure that, in your "compassion" and "concern" you would be all to happy to arrange sexual encountes for YOUR daughter. Maybe you can make some "liberal" cash on the side as your kid's pimp. Maybe even watch it yourself or charge admission. You're the type to do this; shiftless, amoral, egotistical, arrogant, and frankly, stupid.
Old Blevins| 12.15.11 @ 2:26PM
The county where I live now requires me to get a prescription to purchase over-the-counter allergy medicine. (Psuedophedrine...the good stuff.) Oddly enough, even before the current prescription-only law, minors under the age of 18 were not allowed to purchase OTC psuedophedrine-based allergy medications. (Had to drive to a different county to purchase a box of Claritin-D for my 16-year-old daughter before she went to summer camp.) I fully realize that allergies and pregnancies are not equivalent medical conditions. However, restrictions on minors are placed on other products, such as alcohol and tobacco. It is hard for me to rationalize allowing OTC purchases for minors for Plan B, while I need a prescription for Claritin-D during the hayfever season.
cicero| 12.15.11 @ 4:42PM
Have they no shame? We have allowed the liberal teaching establishment, and their supporters, to usurp our duties as parents over the physical and moral insstruction of our children. Our daughters have been rendered three legged antelopes in the jungles of our colleges, schoolyards, and workplaces. Our sons have been relegated to the status of adolescents forever. Do our children really need to know the mechanics of all forms of sex in the 3rd grade?
It is time we took back our civilization. Of course, that means that it is up to us to raise our children, not the village's. It means that fathers have to assume the traditianal role of provider and protector of their woman and children. And it means that the women have to resume their role as the center of the family, and not just some inconstant party girl wanna be. But don't get me started.
And we have to get government out of where it does not belong.
Ground Control| 12.16.11 @ 1:29AM
They didn't usurp MY duties! I sent my child to private school and closely monitored what they taught. My wife and I agreed when our child was a baby that public schools were unacceptable and we would not use them. This was a wise decision, despite the cost and we have no regrets.
Richard Baker| 12.15.11 @ 5:36PM
Sometimes when I read of this nonsense I think that NAMBLA and others must be laughing out loud. The attitude of Sebilius and others seems to be that the little weasels will do it anyway so let's take the consequence out of it. This allows the adults to not feel guilty in their own promiscuity. In their minds, the era of Sport Fu**ing is NOT over.