The American Spectator : The Demonizing of Conservatives

Nemo| 12.6.11 @ 7:02AM

Also, it's much easier for the Liberals to attack an ugly-looking man than a physically handsome one like Buckley or Reagan. Character and Ability are trumped by good looks in the half-witted liberal left world.

Jack in Wi| 12.6.11 @ 8:05AM

Jeffrey Lord is one of the chief demonizers of the only true conservative in this Race ron Paul. His lies and name calling is right up there with the best. The problem of his essay is that the mainstream media is telling the truth about Cain and Gingrich. Gingrich is a poster boy for the words scummy, Washington insider. No amount of white wash by Mr. Lord can ever change any of that.

jothepro| 12.6.11 @ 9:39AM

Hey Jack, You are doing exactly what Jeffrey was writing about. Calling ron Paul a conservative is dishonest and if you don't know it, you are part of the problem. The mainstream media telling the truth. Maybe you could elaborate a bit.

Dick Nome | 12.6.11 @ 10:07AM

Hey Jack you jerk. Ron Paul is a fringe Libertarian and even he will tell you so. He is a RINO of a different sort.

JimP| 12.6.11 @ 11:34AM

Hey Jack, Ron Paul has a looooong history of earmarking. Talk about corrupt insider scum and hypocrisy. Also Paul or at least many of his followers are rabid anti-semites aren't they? Please clarify for me if that info is incorrect. Additionally, conservatives and libertarians are not the same- according to libertarians and Paul Bots. I think you are actually a lefty troll trying to stir up trouble. Convince me I'm wrong about you being a troll.

chuck| 12.6.11 @ 12:20PM

JimP,

You're on to something with the "lefty troll" remark. Paul's foreign policy, drug policy, the classic "libertarian" abortion policy, all mirror the leftists. As does the anti-Israel policy that the Paul-bots support.
Paul is not a conservative, he is a Libertarian, he ran for the presidency under their banner. He simply returned to the GOP brand because he was unelectable as a Libertarian. He is a RINO, by all means.

chuck| 12.6.11 @ 12:24PM

BTW, did you see Paul's ad attacking Gingrich? Just out today, link on Drudge.

Thank you Mr. Lord, for this most timely column.

Margie| 12.6.11 @ 3:38PM

Ron Paul attacks Newt Gingrich:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6_1Pw1xm9U

RCV| 12.7.11 @ 5:25PM

But Margie, Newt is one of "those people" you wouldn't invite into your home or greet.

mzk1| 12.8.11 @ 3:02PM

It goes deeper than Israel. Ultimately, the premises underlying Paul's view of the world are the same as those underlying Barack Obama. This has nothing to do with waiting for Congressional declarations; it has to do with whether he believes those declarations should be made in the first place.

mzk1| 12.8.11 @ 3:03PM

P.S. Having read about Haliry's recent speech, I have relented and will now even vote for Paul over Obama - or Hilary.

Jack in Wi| 12.6.11 @ 6:21PM

Nobody backed Scot Walker more then me. What the hell does that have to do with the traitor Newt Gingrich? He is no conservative. He entered congress as a Rockefeller Republican and remains one to this day. He has zero chance of being nominated. In one week he has made the whole process into a circus. I give him to the end of January max.

Zak Klemmer| 12.7.11 @ 11:15AM

I'm going to vote for Ron Paul again.

Oldefarte| 12.6.11 @ 1:14PM

If in fact you are from Wisconsin, why don't you teke to heart the old adage that PEOPLE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULD NOT THROW STONES. Why don't you concern yourself with the AH's in you native state who are doing similarily as Lord describes in their attacks upon Republican Governor Scott Walker? Why don't you critisize the vile labor unions, the MSM etc with Wisconsin [and outside/foreign of your state as well] who are attempting to Cainanize Walker for daring to dilute the unionized political influence within Wisconsin for the well being of its citizen-taxpayers????????????

Oldefarte| 12.6.11 @ 2:34PM

Concern yourself with this, Jack; ".... Gov. Walker: Recall Proponents 'Cross the Line'
Tuesday, December 6, 2011 04:31 AM
By: Hiram Reisner
Embattled Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker says some who are backing his recall “cross the line” by harassing his family and neighbors and targeting his children’s friends on Facebook for rebuke. The chief executive of the Badger State also told Fox News’ Greta Can Susteren Monday much of the vehement opposition to a budget-trimming law he signed earlier this year, which restricts public unions, comes from outside Wisconsin.

“That’s what happens when you see so much influence coming in from outside of Wisconsin — that’s not the way we do it in Wisconsin — we don’t attack people because it’s a difference of opinion,” Walker said. “People came out to my home and attacked — not attacked but harassed not only my family, but my neighbors. They have been [singling out] folks on my kids’ Facebook site and they have said outrageous things about my family again today.

“Again, it’s one thing to form a debate, or another to distract or distort it,” he said. “And nobody — whether they are for or against me, including those who oppose our recall — nobody should be doing things that cross the line like that.”

The recall drive was motivated by anger over Walker's proposal effectively ending collective bargaining rights for most public workers. The law passed in March despite massive protests and the fleeing of all 14 Democratic state senators to Illinois for three weeks.

Recall backers need 540,208 signatures by Jan. 17 to force a recall election sometime in 2012. As of late last month, a group supporting the effort said over half the number needed had been collected in just 12 days.

Van Susteren noted Walker ran for governor on a budget-cutting platform and wondered why there was such fervent opposition to actions he promised on the campaign trail. Walker said the curbing of public unions’ collective-bargaining rights was indeed part of his pre-election initiative.

“In fact many of the groups part of the recall movement . . . actually ran flyers that said: ‘Don’t vote for this guy because he will make changes to collective bargaining’ — they were warning that,” Walker said. “The first recall Scott Walker website was put up November, 2010. This has been plotted out all along the way and they have used the hype and attention to move forward on it.

“This is about having a new election — in our state you don’t need a reason,” he said. “In our case we will be given an opportunity to reaffirm that positive message to the voters yet again in this next election.”............'

Timothy L. Pennell| 12.6.11 @ 9:43AM

Look. The LEFT gets away with what they do, because the Republicans just don't know how to play this game. It's Marques Of Queensbury vs. Brass Knuckles and a switch Blade, all the time. It has been, for 60 Years.

Unless one of these republicans has more dead bodies buried under his house than John Wayne Casey, or has Eaten more Human Flesh than Jeffery Dahmer, I don't see how the Muslim/Marxist can be someone who is Preferable. Even with the Media up his *ss. Even with a Billion Dollars, that he'll have collected from all of his EVIL Millionaire and Billionaire Friends, that he likes to Vacation with.

A Billion buys a LOT of Lipstick and Perfume. But at the end of the day, it's still a PIG, and it's still a TURD. And He is still the Worst President in our lifetime, a Committed Socialist, a guy who believes that The United States owes our Enemies an APOLOGY, and a man on a Mission, to reduce this Greatest of nations, in to a Third World, Minority Majority, Country. We can't even put a Man in Space, anymore. Thus begins, the Slippery Slide.

The Right has got to GO AFTER HIM with everything we've got. And we've got a lot. He thinks that he's hidden who he is, in that Vault, in Hawaii, but he hasn't. He has a trail of Bread Crumbs, like no-one else before him.

His life long Associations. His Ideology. "I am not an Ideologue. I'm not!" Oh, but you are. His Books. His Friends, His Spiritual Leaders. Who he APOLOGIZES to, and who he gives the back of his hand to. His Policies of Economic Destruction, and his Embargoes on Energy retrieval, and the MILLION JOBS it would create. All of the FAR LEFT RADICALS he fills Administration Positions with. The Communists. The Marxists. The Socialists and the Maoists. The Anarchists and the Fabian Progressives.

I know how STUPID the American People are. I've seen what's on T.V. I see them Texting while they're driving. I See them Tweet their lives away, and stand in lines, overnight, for the next big thing, in Electronics, or whatever. But I still believe that, even these shadows of Our Greatest Generation, will realize, before it's too late, what Barack Hussein Obama is. Or, at least, what he is not.

He may have been BORN here.

But he is NOT one of US.

GOD have mercy on this Country.

old white guy| 12.6.11 @ 10:08AM

God will not have mercy on the country. He may have mercy on those who believe and follow Him but, sorry the country is doomed. the evil have won the battle and the war. the next election will prove the point. this will not be fixed at the ballot box.

C Smith| 12.6.11 @ 4:01PM

Yes,

If America were ever His "chosen" she is not so now, and if history is any example it is obvious what she will be.

Jeremiah the prophet delivered this message to Israel His "chosen" because of the sin "written with a pen of iron, and with the point of a diamond... graven upon the table of her heart (cf. Jeremiah 17:1).

"Thus saith the LORD God of Israel; Behold, I will turn back the weapons of war that are yourhands, wherewith ye fight against the king of Babylon, and against the Chaldeans, which besiege you without the walls, and I will assemble them into the midst of this city [Jerusalem]. And I myself will fight against you with an outstretched hand and with a strong arm, even in anger, and in fury, and in great wrath.... For I have set my face against this city for evil, and not for good, saith the LORD: it shall be given into the hand of the king of Babylon, and he shall burn it with fire.... For I have set my face against this city for evil, and not for good, saith the LORD: it shall be given into the hand of the king of Babylon, and he shall burn it with fire."
(Jeremiah 21:4-10).

Jeremiah later described the City of Peace (586 BC):

How doth the city sit solitary, that was full of people! how is she become as a widow...!" (Lamentations 1:1).

USSAlabama| 12.6.11 @ 12:06PM

TLP -- Do you notice more trolls in the last month or two than normal?

I don't even read the comments anymore.

Alan Brooks| 12.6.11 @ 9:24PM

"TLP -- Do you notice more trolls in the last month or two than normal? I don't even read the comments anymore."

Liar, you read some of them to keep tabs on what is brewing.

Ken (Old Texican)| 12.6.11 @ 1:15PM

Timothy,
thank God our founders gave us the second ammendment.

Fear not! There are a hundred million of us ready to risk our lives to stop the communists.

Oldefarte| 12.6.11 @ 1:29PM

TLP, your alway accurate prose goes astray slightly within your first/initial sentence. Republicans do know how to play the game, but have historically chosen to abide foolishly by the Queensbury Rules because of their traditional minority political status. As you indicate, it IS THE DEMOCRATS, STUPIDS; but the American public rightly deserve partial critisism for the Democrat voting patterns. If the voters would use common sense to realize/understand the point that Lord is rightfully making, they would comprehend the BS contained within the totality of the pages of their local subscribed newspapers that daily brainwash them with such manufactured manure disguised as inked wordings. The public/taxpayers elected this current president [along with the Pilosis, the Reids, the Schumers, the Durbins etc], Republicans did not. If they would instead vote for more McConnells, more Boehners, more Browns, more Sessionses etc, maybe this country would not be in the dire destructive straights that it is now faced with perhaps?????????

Purpleguy| 12.6.11 @ 2:29PM

So are you going to jump off a bridge when Obama wins in 2012? You hate him that much? He affects your daily life how?

Oldefarte| 12.6.11 @ 2:37PM

First, he will NOT win on 11/4/12. Second, there will be millions jumping off of bridges if the inevitability of political Acorn type corruption occurred and he did win, since American would be in the final stages of destruction thereafter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Purpleguy| 12.6.11 @ 3:09PM

well, remember to vote on 11/12/12 and we'll see...

Alan Brooks| 12.6.11 @ 9:27PM

"well, remember to vote on 11/12/12 and we'll see..."

Obama is better than Romney, better than Gingrich by a mile, and isn't into conspiracy-theory, as Ron Paul is.
Obama will be sworn in again on 1/20/'13

MikeG| 12.7.11 @ 8:23PM

Brooks and Purpleguy will vote together on 11/12/12

Margie| 12.6.11 @ 2:32PM

"He may have been BORN here.

But he is NOT one of US."

You can say that again!

Zak Klemmer| 12.7.11 @ 11:19AM

Left-liberalism is an ersatz religion. That's way they burn all heretics at the rhetorical stake. To compromise with them is committing suicide, we must out flank them then bury them in the ash heap of history.

Alan Brooks| 12.6.11 @ 4:19PM

You were right about Nixon, I was wrong.
nixon was too nice to be president, so he was ruined by a thousand cuts.
As Nixon was lured by his domestic enemies, Carter was lured by his foreign enemies-- such as Brezhnev the disgusting swine.

Alan Brooks| 12.6.11 @ 8:42PM

Jack, better Ron Paul than 'futurist' prat Gingrich.

Alan Brooks| 12.6.11 @ 9:32PM

But Obama will win the 4th of November '12.
And you will all get your comeuppance for wasting a decade, and fobbing off the old 'NamVet as a candidate in '08.
Payback time isn't 11/4/'12,
it is 1/20/'13!

granie20| 12.14.11 @ 1:33PM

You idiots! It's November 6, 2012

Clint| 12.6.11 @ 7:14AM

" George Will, "Today, we have a very different kind of foreign policy. It’s called Wilsonian. And the premise of the Bush Doctrine is that America must spread democracy, because our national security depends upon it. And America can spread democracy. It knows how. It can engage in national building. This is conservative or not?"

William F. Buckley, " It’s not at all conservative. It’s anything but conservative. It’s not conservative at all, inasmuch as conservatism doesn’t invite unnecessary challenges. It insists on coming to terms with the world as it is …”

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In iowa.

Ken (Old Texican)| 12.6.11 @ 7:26AM

If Ron Paul gets elected, at least we will have plenty of shovel ready jobs to do....digging fall-out shelters in our back yards and machine-gun nests on our beaches.

nister| 12.6.11 @ 8:22AM

Who will be storming those beaches? How will they get the landing craft?

Sean| 12.6.11 @ 8:49AM

Don't question Ken's delusions. Arabs on swimming camels are about to storm into Texas to get him.

JR| 12.6.11 @ 11:55AM

Once they attacked us the rest is moot. Kick their ass and do nothing less. To worry about why they did it is just weak. If we give them time like you would Sean it wont be camels that storm into America it will be nuclear missiles.

chuck| 12.6.11 @ 12:42PM

There is a use for the Sean types. Cannon fodder.

Personally I'd rather have any Texan (except Paul) cover my back.

Jacob R| 12.6.11 @ 12:49PM

I know.. That's as stupid as believing they could fly planes into the largest towers in the country!

Dubya the Cowboy| 12.6.11 @ 1:05PM

Dagnabbit.

I brought those babies down.

On purpose.

Intentionally.

Ask any liberal.

Idjits.

Jeffrey Lord| 12.6.11 @ 11:50AM

nister...

Who needs to storm beaches? Story below...

http://www.washingtontimes.com.....to-hit-us/

Ken (Old Texican)| 12.6.11 @ 1:26PM

Jeffrey, thanks
I have probably written my last bestseller. My polio/arthritus has made every word I write a chore.
www.americaalonesaidno.com

you know my e-mail address. Send me a quick e-mail and I will send you a review copy.

Margie| 12.6.11 @ 2:07PM

Too bad your polio and arthritis doesn't prevent you from being a liar.
I am still waiting for the e mails you claimed as "proof" of your phony accusations you continue to present here publicly.
Reprobate.

Ken (Old Texican)| 12.6.11 @ 7:25PM

OK, Margie
I guess I have to finally respond. Instead of making statements, I shall merely ask questions. (PS: I shall copy paste this, and your response, every time you try to consign me to hell.)
• Did you or did you not… profess undying love for me for defending you here for over two years?
•
• Did you in fact write to me begging me NOT to respond to your e-mail professing your love…because you and your husband use the same e-mail account…and he might read my response?

• Did you in fact write me that you had made horrible choices in your marriage decision/s?
• Did you in fact tell me that you had to move because you could not pay your rent/mortgage?
• Did I in fact go out on a limb and introduce you to one of my key stockholders?
• On my say-so did he give you and your husband a shot at a six figure annual income…no charge?
• Is he to be consigned to hell because you failed to produce?
• Finally, do you know the difference between the Old and New Testaments?
• You know…”kill every man woman and child and their livestock”, versus…New Testament…”turn the other cheek”?
Well, Margie, I have turned the other cheek for several months. Would you like to respond?
I would have written this privately except you changed your e-mail…
So answer us?

Margie| 12.7.11 @ 4:12AM

See below, Reprobate scum.

Margie| 12.8.11 @ 3:07PM

"He who speaks the truth gives honest evidence, but a false witness utters deceit." Prov. 12:17.

NOW: You have made your list here, which I have answered like a fool.
Or did your stinking lawyer put that list together? Sure sounds lawyerly.

AND YET: You STILL hav not posted any of these supposed e mails you CLAIMED you ahve to show that I want to supposedly cheat on my husband.

NOW: For the umpteenth time: POST THEM!

YOU CANNOT, because there aren't any!
Reprobate scum.

NO LAWYER can snare me because I am honest. I am REAL, and I NEVER did as you accuse.

YOUR JUDGMENT WILL BE SWIFT ON THAT DAY WHEN YOU MEET THE LORD OF GLORY.

Paul Bot| 12.6.11 @ 11:16AM

Never fear. Ron Paul will be able to explain why it is all our fault. Even as we speak he is preparing reasons why we have caused all bad things in the world and actually deserve to be attacked. If we wouldn't have supported Israel we could have avoided the undeclared Quasi-war and many others. Some of our policies irritate other countries so naturally we should change those so that brutal regimes are not offended by our behavior. This is what true conservatives think and this is what true freedom is all about.

Alan Brooks| 12.6.11 @ 4:21PM

" George Will, "Today, we have a very different kind of foreign policy. It’s called Wilsonian. And the premise of the Bush Doctrine is that America must spread democracy, because our national security depends upon it. And America can spread democracy. It knows how. It can engage in national building. This is conservative or not?"

Will is no fool, he eventually saw through president Rove and his veep Cheney.

Rhoetus | 12.7.11 @ 6:28PM

Woodrow Wilson was a disgusting liar and fraud, see: “Intellectuals” by Paul Johnson. Wilson planned to get America in WWI, he championed the Income Tax (Marxism) and the direct election of US Senators which destroyed our federal system since our states no longer had a voice against a centralized all powerful national State. Entangling foreign relations can be the end of our limited government and with that the destruction of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 12.6.11 @ 7:16AM

Ironically, Nixon lay the seeds for even greater bouts of collectivism by taking the nation off the gold standard and creating the E.P.A., a communist inpired and driven organization if there ever was one.

That may not have been his intention, but the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

Shamus| 12.6.11 @ 10:08AM

While Nixon staunchly opposed the Soviets, he was not in any sense a conservative. Nixon willingly presided over the creation of the modern welfare state. He had successes in foreign policy but his domestic policy was a miserable failure. It took decades to correct the damage that he did to the US economy.

Alan Brooks| 12.6.11 @ 4:23PM

"It took decades to correct the damage that he did to the US economy."

You must be senile, there has been no correction whatsoever.

JimP| 12.6.11 @ 11:39AM

Don't forget he gave us wage and price controls for, was it two years ? I don't recall the exact length of time, but I sure remember the accelerated inflation that happened when he removed the controls, which he implemented to stem inflation. Typical leftist policy. It makes things even worse.

Thanks for bombing the $#!t out of N. Vietnam Mr. President, but your Rockefeller Republican economics among other economic foulups made things worse. You out LBJed, LBJ.

Alan Brooks| 12.6.11 @ 8:45PM

"Thanks for bombing the $#!t out of N. Vietnam Mr. President"

And thank Grant and Sherman for beating the
$#!t out of Jefferson Davis' abortion, the Confederacy

Alan Brooks| 12.6.11 @ 8:48PM

the Confederacy was a clap ridden whore who is burning in Hell this very moment.

JimP| 12.7.11 @ 9:51AM

LOL I don't see the connection between Nixon and the Confederacy, but I give you credit, Alan, you are truly insane.

Kade| 12.6.11 @ 7:23AM

This should read the demonizing of Republicans not conservatives. Gingrich for sure is no conservative -- in fact in recent years he is more a lefty Internationalist.

Looks like the conservative media is once again putting conservative lipstick on a Trojan Horse establishment globalist, which means 4 more years for Obama, the Dems retaining the Senate, and maybe even picking up House seats. He will lose the women vote for sure and there goes the election.

Alas, Newt is the smartest liberal in the room-- if this is the best the GOP can offer we are in deep trouble.

DTOM| 12.6.11 @ 7:51AM

They cannot be bothered with distinguishing between the two. However, conservatives draw the worse because they actually have principles that can withstand liberals' most extreme illogic. Most Republican politicians are of the triangulating, moderate variety. Look at Bush, any of them, Rove, Nixon, Boehner, any sitting GOP Senator, etc. A few exceptions: Palin, Wisconsin's Governor Walker, and of course, Ronald Reagan.

Purpleguy| 12.6.11 @ 2:57PM

Ronald Reagan? Are you serious? He said "government is the problem" and promptly raised taxes 6 times, the national debt ceiling 18 times, and enlarged the government during his term. He gave us Voodoo Economics which David Stockman, Reagan's own Budget Director now says was crazy economics, and he started the borrow and spend craze and deregulation of everything everywhere, that got us to the mess we are in today. He's no conservative. He couldn't win a primary today, period.

Queen Hotchibobo| 12.6.11 @ 5:10PM

That's a lot of liberal talking points you've got there, purpleguy. You must have been paying close attention to the Demedia during the Reagan years.

It is this kind of unearned influence that the author touches on in the article. The Dems and the Demedia are able to lead a lot of lemmings over the cliff by obfuscation and distortion.

Purpleguy| 12.6.11 @ 5:32PM

Hmmm - name one item that was not a fact. I have no idea whether any of these are "talking points", but they sure are good ones then, since you cannot refute one of them. Criticizing and ridiculing someone's statements is a useless tool, employed by those not smart enough to debate the issues - is that you?

Nancy in NC| 12.6.11 @ 6:02PM

I'll bite. Since the Congress is the only branch of government allowed to raise taxes, how exactly did Reagan manage that?

Purpleguy| 12.6.11 @ 11:02PM

Do we need to discuss how a bill becomes law? I guess so ... so here goes. While it is true that expenditures originate in Congress, the House specifically, nothing, and I mean nothing becomes law - taxes, military spending, social security, nothing without the President's signature. If he vetos the bill, there is no raise in taxes. So if Reagan did not want to raise taxes, there would have been ZERO raise in taxes. He signed and therefore raised taxes 6 times during his term.
Moreover, the President sets the national agenda by putting out a budget or by conveying to Congress through congressional liasons what the White House will accept or wants from Congress.

W| 12.7.11 @ 8:39AM

Purp
Does this mean you like Reagan since he raised taxes or do you still prefer Mondale because Mondale would have raised more taxes and not agreed to the tax cuts?

JoeJazz2000| 12.7.11 @ 5:29PM

Expenditure bills needn't originate in the House. Revenue bills must. Article I, Section7.

Rhoetus | 12.7.11 @ 6:32PM

Congress dictates and passes tax policy. Taxation, regulation that is anti-business, anti-liberty became a trend in the 20th century. The President proposes but Congress disposes. Nice try Purpleguy but making Reagan into your straw-man is hogwash.

Alan Brooks| 12.6.11 @ 8:46PM

"Alas, Newt is the smartest liberal in the room-- if this is the best the GOP can offer we are in deep trouble."

Thank God!

POST American| 12.6.11 @ 7:42AM

NIXON made a promising start in the late 40's.

He was on the scene when McCarthy was
revealing the harrowing truth that Globalism
WAS calm--you-nism.

He was around when the Reese Commission
was investigating the ever 'sin--is--stir'
benny-violent foundations,
and their on the go programs to 'seamlessly
blend' the American and Sovciet systems.

ALL of this had the plug pulled as the sheer
scope and evil of the operation began to emerge.
The EUGENICS issue was scarcely grazed.

Scholars should REALLY concentrate on
those years AFTER his defeat to Kennedy
when, apparently, he fell under the sway
of the Averill Harrriman go-fer DEAN
ACHESON.

Harriman was KEY in betraying
China to the REDS.

The 'controlled dialectic'
and its long term plans for genocidal standardization of old China---
manufacturer of the world was already
beyond the drawing boards.

Something happened to Nixon during those years.

--SOMETHING--

Apparently he was seduced by the Globalist's
vision. Apparently his lust for power and
his place in HIS-story got the better of him.

4 decades of systematic, US taxpayer
underwritten economic (---and political?)
sellout and TREASON later ----we ALLLL
need more clarity on just what turned
Nixon into the 'Nick's ON' we're left with.

Gingrich, on the other hand, has been
the most chilling of oppurtunists from the
get go.

His calls for the end of Ameican soveriegnty,
NAFTA and GATT treason,
his sponsorship of unspeakably creepy
EUGENICS agendas, and calls for the
end of the family (SEE his forewords to
the Toffler screeds) ---go right to the bone.

"I do NOT want to know the vivisectionist.
I do NOT want to touch his hand."
-Robert Ingersoll
1890
(letters)

Neither should we------------------

Alan Brooks| 12.6.11 @ 9:36PM

"Gingrich, on the other hand, has been
the most chilling of oppurtunists from the
get go."

We are agreed that Gingrich is opportunistic in the extreme; he will promise anything, he promises to close the border by 2014- what a CROCK.

D. Singh| 12.6.11 @ 7:42AM

Sir

An excellent analysis by Mr Lord.

For the liberals it is Pope’s dictum: ‘Know then thyself, presume not God to scan;
The proper study of Mankind is Man.’

In other words, by rejecting God and revelation, morals can only be manufactured by Man (‘Hell is other people’, said Sartre).

To question that is to ‘violently’ assault the moral credit worthiness of the liberal.

The liberal believes that because God does not exist he must be god: he must be the superman.

The liberal fulfils Nietzsche’s vision of the Superman in the parable of The Madman (1882):

Have you not heard of that madman who lit a lantern in the bright morning hours, ran to the market place, and cried incessantly: "I seek God! I seek God!"---As many of those who did not believe in God were standing around just then, he provoked much laughter. Has he got lost? asked one. Did he lose his way like a child? asked another. Or is he hiding? Is he afraid of us? Has he gone on a voyage? emigrated?---Thus they yelled and laughed.

The madman jumped into their midst and pierced them with his eyes. "Whither is God?" he cried; "I will tell you. We have killed him---you and I. All of us are his murderers. But how did we do this? How could we drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What were we doing when we unchained this earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving? Away from all suns? Are we not plunging continually? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there still any up or down? Are we not straying, as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is not night continually closing in on us? Do we not need to light lanterns in the morning? Do we hear nothing as yet of the noise of the gravediggers who are burying God? Do we smell nothing as yet of the divine decomposition? Gods, too, decompose. God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him.

"How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whoever is born after us---for the sake of this deed he will belong to a higher history than all history hitherto."

Here the madman fell silent and looked again at his listeners; and they, too, were silent and stared at him in astonishment. At last he threw his lantern on the ground, and it broke into pieces and went out. "I have come too early," he said then; "my time is not yet. This tremendous event is still on its way, still wandering; it has not yet reached the ears of men. Lightning and thunder require time; the light of the stars requires time; deeds, though done, still require time to be seen and heard. This deed is still more distant from them than most distant stars---and yet they have done it themselves.

It has been related further that on the same day the madman forced his way into several churches and there struck up his requiem aeternam deo. Led out and called to account, he is said always to have replied nothing but: "What after all are these churches now if they are not the tombs and sepulchers of God?"

DTOM| 12.6.11 @ 7:54AM

I'm sorry you didn't have time to make your post briefer. Did you have a point?

D. Singh| 12.6.11 @ 8:02AM

My dear fellow Ithink I have just explained why most liberals are Nazis - yearning to come out of the closet.

nister| 12.6.11 @ 9:07AM

Why were you explaining that? This thread is about demonizing conservatives.

More exactly, the demonizing of Herman Cain. Didn't Hermie assure us of two things; that God wanted him to run, and that he's innocent of all bimbo-related accusations? Seems to me that Hermie doesn't have much backbone, to turn his back on his God so easily.

D. Singh| 12.6.11 @ 9:37AM

You need to understand why the liberals (proto-nazis) demonize conservatives.

That is why.

nister| 12.6.11 @ 10:12AM

I need? Don't think so. Seems you need someone to pay attention to you. So, OK, should Hermie turn his back on his God so easily?

D. Singh| 12.6.11 @ 10:14AM

Of course what is really happening here is that one system of ethics (Man accountable to God) is being replaced by another system of ethics (the Will of Man): to choose.

Stalinists chose – without being accountable.

The Nazis chose – without being accountable.

Both groups traced the development of their thought back to Hegel – and behind him sits Nietzsche.

nister| 12.6.11 @ 10:30AM

And when I was a boy I rode a pony to school. Should Hermie cut and run when God wants him to pursue the presidency?

D. Singh| 12.6.11 @ 10:34AM

And when you were a boy liberals supported racists: 'Alabama Senator John Sparkman, was a vocal segregationist who made his political bones with the traditional liberal reliance on racism and progressivism'.

nister| 12.6.11 @ 10:42AM

Deflection. You know the question...

Paul McGrath| 12.6.11 @ 11:41AM

The answer, Nister, is that not all of us are strong enough to withstand such attacks. Cain did not turn his back on God. He turned his back on politics. He turned to his family.

nister| 12.6.11 @ 11:53AM

Piffle. He didn't even do that. He launched some political initiative even as he suspended his candidacy.

Jacob R| 12.6.11 @ 12:58PM

You'll bicker all f-ing night, so we should quit and let you realize your vision in the world and then we can judge that.

Or do you just like to whine about other people?

This article nailed it. Secular man finds that God cramps his style and then spends the rest of his life BSing himself and others into believing that he is sovereign. He can't remember his own creation but he believes he created himself, or else appeared out of thin air. And then, without a hint of irony, he giggles at religious people for believing that a higher power created all of this. As if you'd have to be a fool to believe that Henry Ford created the Model T and not the hunk of metal itself.

I mean we have so much evidence of mindless creation from nothing and things inventing themselves right smart guys?

nister| 12.6.11 @ 2:05PM

Know what's wrong with your reasoning? You won't tolerate anyone asking who made the One who made all the stuff.

D. Singh| 12.7.11 @ 2:33AM

You reveal your foolishness by asking the fool's question: God by definition is infinite.

As it is written the fool has said in his heart there is no God.

nister| 12.7.11 @ 7:57AM

You merely cut off debate by conjuring up a Being that is the "be all and end all". In effect, you invent God.

D. Singh| 12.7.11 @ 8:09AM

It was He who said that he is the Alpha and Omega. Not me.

Wayne| 12.6.11 @ 7:43AM

Mr. Lord, you have been demonizing Ron Paul, so its not just the democrats doing this. I have seen conservative's in the media from Malkin to Ingraham attack Gingrich, Bachmann, Romney, Paul, Cain and we wonder why the media follow suit. All this does is put Obama one step closer to another 4 (or more people) years in the White House.
I have no trouble with the candidates this those who are demonizing them.

Mimi| 12.6.11 @ 8:16AM

Wayne, You are quite RIGHT ......Demonizing Candidates has to STOP !
We are now in the process of sorting this all out !! As Jeffrey , so well done , as given us a thorough history of the Liberal-Left's destruction of Conservative public figures....We have enough to put up with. Get yourselves armed to the teeth to fight the Liberals not our own! The PEOPLE will decide , WHO will be our nominee and soon. Be prepared well....soon their anger will turn to RAGE....They will not like giving up the purse strings or the POWER...they are devil-like and BAD ACTORS.!

Mimi| 12.6.11 @ 8:19AM

EVERY COMPLAINING ONE OF YOU....Has to ask yourselves.....JUST WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON ?????

Deborah D | 12.7.11 @ 6:16AM

Amen, Mimi. I'm exhausted with all of this bashing of our own. We've had all the bashing -- now it's time for deciding. I've decided to tune out all of the crap floating around the blogosphere about our candidates. I know enough to make my decision when the time comes.

Darin| 12.6.11 @ 8:29AM

The exact same thing applies to why there is so much hatred focused on Tim Tebow, quarterback of the Denver Broncos. Liberals compares themselves to such people, find themselves lacking, and rather than work to improve themselves instead target the other. It's the "I'm not responsible for my actions and their consequences" mentality played out in the real world. And it's ugly.

Mimi| 12.6.11 @ 9:38AM

Darin...so right ! The left had a hard time with the "guilt" of Abortion...To this day they demonize pro-life...Look at Sarah Palin her thorn in their side was not aborting her beautiful youngest child!

nister| 12.6.11 @ 11:12AM

I'm liberal and pro-life. So are lots of liberals. The pro-life advocates that get attacked are the godwad variety who push their worldview on those who push back.

JR| 12.6.11 @ 12:02PM

Whats the point of being pro-life is all your ever going to do is call yourself pro-life? Why can't pro-life conservatives push? So your liberal and pro-life? What do you want? A cookie?

nister| 12.6.11 @ 2:07PM

A cookie would be nice. Thanks.

How do you know what I do about my beliefs?

Queen Hotchibobo| 12.6.11 @ 5:17PM

It's not speculation. *You* said that your complaint was with pro-lifers who push their worldview. The implication is quite plain that it's the pushing you find objectionable since you are an acknowledged pro-lifer yourself.

If you disapprove of pushing, you must not see yourself as being guilty of it, right? Therefore, it is a logical conclusion that you don't do so.

His question was a logical follow-up: What's wrong with pushing your point of view? What's wrong with trying to influence the actions and beliefs of others?

Margie| 12.6.11 @ 2:04PM

nister, you're hypocrisy blinds you~ for it is you and your ilk that push your "views" on us~ you Liberals try and legalize every kind of immorality yet you behave as if you are the moral police.

Case in point~ your constant lying and trolling about Herman Cain.
Spare us.

nister| 12.6.11 @ 2:13PM

Margie, if I lie about Hermie it's by quoting him.
He's denying any bimboing. He claims God's backing.

What conclusion do you draw? Think it shows presidential timbre to cut and run before the primaries are over?

Margie| 12.6.11 @ 2:19PM

Persistent Troll:

You ought to be more persistent for the truth instead of what you are doing.

You aren't just quoting him, you are trashing him. As in:

"Should Hermie cut and run when God wants him to pursue the presidency?"

Mocking and trashing is your despicable agenda. I'm just here to point it out.

Go ahead and try and stop me, fool.

nister| 12.6.11 @ 2:29PM

You can't handle the truth, or answer a question..ankle biter. Don't bother, I'm leaving for work.

Margie| 12.6.11 @ 2:34PM

What truth?
LOL.
Buh-bye.

Oldefarte| 12.6.11 @ 2:46PM

Teddy denied bimboing and claimed God's backing, so what? Did the MSM bury him from his own lying hypocracies? Maybe he cut and ran due to his love of his wife and family [instead Teddy caused his first wife to become an alcholic from his animalistic philandering sadly], instead of selfishly subjecting them to future humiliation and ridicule by the MSM!!!!!!

Seek| 12.6.11 @ 3:01PM

So who hates Tebow? He's a quarterback, not a savior. Should I hate Brady, Rivers or Brees as well?

Indy| 12.6.11 @ 8:31AM

The attacks on Miguel Estrada were vicious, he is extremely qualified and has a compelling life story but his one "flaw" is that he is a conservative, what a shame he never got a vote on the floor.

Purpleguy| 12.6.11 @ 11:04PM

Just like for Elizabeth Warren, who btw is why your credit card company has been restrained in what interest rates they can charge you for one example. Republicants wouldn't even let a vote in the Senate occur. Now she's running for the Senate ... what happened to Estrada?

Anthony| 12.6.11 @ 8:54AM

The question "Why" is simple, Mr. Lord. The left despise conservatives. We stand in the way of their utopian dreams and of course their breaktaking hypocrisy.
Nancy Pelosi was incapable of "draining the swamp" because she is the swamp. Leftists talk the talk but never walk the walk, and when conservatives call them on it, the vitriol rolls off their lips.
If Pelosi reveals information about Newt that is confidential or subject to other non disclosure clauses, Newt had better take the gloves off and go after this nasty, sclerotic old bitch.
We are at war with the left and they with us. This systematic take down of all our candidates is now obvious to see. It's time things got settled once and for all before there is no America left.
It's time we took the gloves off!!!

Con Chef (NB) | 12.6.11 @ 9:28AM

I've thought that for a long time. The eunichs at the RNC still think that the Marquiss of Queensbury Rules are the way to go in politics. Not so when one is dealing with leftists who's "bible" is "Rules for Radicals" & the writings of Lenin.

"It would be the greatest mistake, certainly, to think that concessions mean peace. Nothing of the kind. Concessions are nothing but a new form of war."...Lenin

So as a counter, as before, I offer the Repubs the best playbook EVER:

"If he yields it from fear, it is for the purpose of avoiding a war, and he will rarely escape from that; for he to whom he has from cowardice conceeded the one thing will not be satisfied, but will want to take other things from him, and his arrogance is increased as his esteem for the Prince is lessened."...Machiavelli, The Discourses

Jack London| 12.6.11 @ 9:38AM

What a laugh – no one is demonizing them – they do it all by themselves with gross ignorance (Cain, Bachmann, Perry), gross hypocrisy (Gingrich, Romney), gross corruption (Gingrich) etc etc
As for Nixon - well whatever happened to him?

Indiana Alex| 12.6.11 @ 2:54PM

Jackass,

I'm glad that most people ignore your foolish existence. To suggeset that conservatives are; ignorant, hypocritical, and corrupt, while listing them and ignoring any of the leftists that currently hold or previously held office, simply proves the point.

It's nice to have such morons as you and your friends around to keep our spirits up by demonstrating the sheer ineptitude in the thought process of the modern left.

Go spin some plates, then come back and attempt to post something thoughtful.

Repeat until successful.

Seek| 12.6.11 @ 3:02PM

We needs someone like Nixon around again.

Rhoetus | 12.7.11 @ 8:09PM

Like Romney?

Naturalborn Texicanette| 12.6.11 @ 9:42AM

What people do not understand is that other people groups in the world DO NOT believe in freedom ....of ANY kind!!!

It's all about control and dominion OVER others.....POWER!!!

The world is evil. Man is inherently evil. How we are brought up, the truths we are taught, the morals and values we are encouraged to emulate (for the most part, but sometimes I wonder about THAT!!!), are what helps make us a free people.

Lately (the last 3 years) it has become about CONTROL. Control of our minds, control of our money, control of our beliefs. These are being bombarded by the liberals and the current "person" in the White House.

This election is CRITICAL!!!!!!!!!!!!

What the American people decide next year, who we put in the White House, will determine ,in large part, the fate of America as a nation.

And believe me, there are plenty of people out in this evil old world who are just waiting for the right moment..............................

So, wise up people!!!!!!!! Think!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And May God Save America!!!!!!!!!!

Ken (Old Texican)| 12.6.11 @ 1:38PM

Texicanette,
thank God and our founders for the second ammendment.
There are a hundred million of us, (armed), against a thousand or so communists.

When it gets down right to it...we win...those of us who survive... even then our kids win.

Margie| 12.6.11 @ 2:12PM

Liars do not have their prayers answered.
When will you repent of the false accusations you continue to present here in these very pages of AmSpec?

"A faithful witness does not lie, but a false witness breathes out lies." Prov. 14:5.

Ken (Old Texican)| 12.6.11 @ 7:31PM

OK, Margie
I guess I have to finally respond. Instead of making statements, I shall merely ask questions. (PS: I shall copy paste this, and your response, every time you try to consign me to hell.)
• Did you or did you not… profess undying love for me for defending you here for over two years?
•
• Did you in fact write to me begging me NOT to respond to your e-mail professing your love…because you and your husband use the same e-mail account…and he might read my response?

• Did you in fact write me that you had made horrible choices in your marriage decision/s?
• Did you in fact tell me that you had to move because you could not pay your rent/mortgage?
• Did I in fact go out on a limb and introduce you to one of my key stockholders?
• On my say-so did he give you and your husband a shot at a six figure annual income…no charge?
• Is he to be consigned to hell because you failed to produce?
• Finally, do you know the difference between the Old and New Testaments?
• You know…”kill every man woman and child and their livestock”, versus…New Testament…”turn the other cheek”?
Well, Margie, I have turned the other cheek for several months. Would you like to respond?
I would have written this privately except you changed your e-mail…
So answer us?

Margie| 12.7.11 @ 4:11AM

Asshole. I answered you. You then proceeded to IGNORE my honest answers, further PROVING to anyone who can read what an utter scumbag you truly are.

Margie| 12.8.11 @ 3:08PM

"He who speaks the truth gives honest evidence, but a false witness utters deceit." Prov. 12:17.

NOW: You have made your list here, which I have answered like a fool.
Or did your stinking lawyer put that list together? Sure sounds lawyerly.

AND YET: You STILL hav not posted any of these supposed e mails you CLAIMED you ahve to show that I want to supposedly cheat on my husband.

NOW: For the umpteenth time: POST THEM!

YOU CANNOT, because there aren't any!
Reprobate scum.

NO LAWYER can snare me because I am honest. I am REAL, and I NEVER did as you accuse.

YOUR JUDGMENT WILL BE SWIFT ON THAT DAY WHEN YOU MEET THE LORD OF GLORY.

Purpleguy| 12.6.11 @ 11:07PM

And you really think Newt Gingrich or Mitt Romney is not about control and dominion over others? Seriously?
As far as control - the corporations control your money, your mind with corporate media and your beliefs by spending billions on propaganda. You seem to be an example that it is working. You vote against your own interests.

idalily| 12.7.11 @ 2:44PM

Last time I checked, it was the GOVERNMENT, not corporations, who controlled my money, by taking it from me by force. Corporations, not so much. At least with them, I get to choose to buy or not buy their products. When can I choose NOT to have my money controlled by a government mandate to buy health insurance?

Oh, and why is it morally right to tax the wealthy at a higher rate than everyone else? Why is it right to punish success? Yeah, Purp, I'm still waiting because you can't answer that question. It's beyond your abilities.

Derek Leaberry| 12.6.11 @ 9:42AM

Mrs. Pelosi need not rack what little she has left in her mind. Gingrich's past history as presently revealed is plenty to suggest he is unfit for high office. Not only do we know that Gingrich is twice divorced but that he is a serial adulterer and his current wife an active participant in an adulterous affair(a first for a First Lady, no doubt). One wonders how the party of Family Values can nominate such a cad whose wedding vows have no meaning and who would cheat on his wife? We also know that Gingrich was adept at the art of lobbyist shakedowns. He has been an active participant in the lobbyist trough of Washington DC that has bankrupted the country. Gingrich is unusually dishonest as his explanation that Fannie Mae hired him for his historical knowledge rather than his political pull as an ex-Speaker. And we know that Newt Gingrich is a narcissist in the manner of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. The man is a living moral carbuncle.

caitlin| 12.6.11 @ 9:44AM

It's been my experience that demomizing has been going on on both sides. What do you call all the comments made about Obama and other liberals on conservative sites?
I didn't vote for him and I won't again, but come on, be honest.

Margie| 12.6.11 @ 1:13PM

It's called speaking the truth. That isn't demonizing."
But in the every thing's relative world of Liberalism, there is no right or wrong so no one's allowed to tell the truth~ because there is no truth!
Ugh.

Timothy L. Pennell| 12.6.11 @ 9:45AM

Look. The LEFT gets away with what they do, because the Republicans just don't know how to play this game. It's Marques Of Queensbury vs. Brass Knuckles and a switch Blade, all the time. It has been, for 60 Years.

Unless one of these republicans has more dead bodies buried under his house than John Wayne Casey, or has Eaten more Human Flesh than Jeffery Dahmer, I don't see how the Muslim/Marxist can be someone who is Preferable. Even with the Media up his *ss. Even with a Billion Dollars, that he'll have collected from all of his EVIL Millionaire and Billionaire Friends, that he likes to Vacation with.

A Billion buys a LOT of Lipstick and Perfume. But at the end of the day, it's still a PIG, and it's still a TURD. And He is still the Worst President in our lifetime, a Committed Socialist, a guy who believes that The United States owes our Enemies an APOLOGY, and a man on a Mission, to reduce this Greatest of nations, in to a Third World, Minority Majority, Country. We can't even put a Man in Space, anymore. Thus begins, the Slippery Slide.

The Right has got to GO AFTER HIM with everything we've got. And we've got a lot. He thinks that he's hidden who he is, in that Vault, in Hawaii, but he hasn't. He has a trail of Bread Crumbs, like no-one else before him.

His life long Associations. His Ideology. "I am not an Ideologue. I'm not!" Oh, but you are. His Books. His Friends, His Spiritual Leaders. Who he APOLOGIZES to, and who he gives the back of his hand to. His Policies of Economic Destruction, and his Embargoes on Energy retrieval, and the MILLION JOBS it would create. All of the FAR LEFT RADICALS he fills Administration Positions with. The Communists. The Marxists. The Socialists and the Maoists. The Anarchists and the Fabian Progressives.

I know how STUPID the American People are. I've seen what's on T.V. I see them Texting while they're driving. I See them Tweet their lives away, and stand in lines, overnight, for the next big thing, in Electronics, or whatever. But I still believe that, even these shadows of Our Greatest Generation, will realize, before it's too late, what Barack Hussein Obama is. Or, at least, what he is not.

He may have been BORN here.

But he is NOT one of US.

GOD have mercy on this Country.

Purpleguy| 12.6.11 @ 11:55PM

You really believe the tripe you spew? The right invented dirty tricks, voter suppression and voter fraud and you want them to do more.
Who is one of "US"? ... I suspect you put me in that category, but you would be so wrong. You love to throw labels around, but we are all Americans, and the sooner you get that the better off we'll all be. In any case, President Obama will be sworn in again on Jan 20, 2013. The 99% rises.

Al Adab| 12.6.11 @ 10:45AM

"Chose you this day whom you will serve. But as for me and my house..." There again is the central question. If, as we and the founders believe, our rights come from the creator and not from power or government, then the defense of Liberty is the defense of a God ordained order. If however, the state is the source of our rights, then those rights may also be abrogated by the state when its suits its purpose. Western civilization is the only place where "inalienable" rights are to be found. Islam for example demands the subrogation of every aspect of life to its tenents whereas Christianity - the central tenent of Western Civ - posits the worth of the individual against any authority but that of God. It is a choice each of us must make and yes, we must choose which side to take.

Pelligrino| 12.6.11 @ 11:13AM

Thank you, Al Adab. "For a man cannot serve two masters." Either God or man.

This core discussion has been around since the book of Genesis.

It is why the Bible is THE MUST READ of all time. It, through facts, history, genealogies, prose, poetry, letters, warnings, wise sayings, amazing stories, and prophesies, informs our minds -- for all the great issues we will encounter while God grants us breath.

Whom will you serve? Each of us encounters that life question every day.

Al Adab| 12.6.11 @ 11:58AM

Thanks Pellegrino:
We find ourselves on the same page often but don't converse as much as I might like. Each of us must view these issues through the prism of our Faith.

Deborah D | 12.7.11 @ 6:31AM

Al -- thanks for your thoughtful posts. As always you cut to the chase with clarity.

Pellegrino, thank you too. I try to start my day with a simple prayer -- "Help me to know your will for me today, Lord, and give me the power and the strength to carry that out."

Wee Willie| 12.6.11 @ 10:52AM

The gold standard of smearing and lynching was the Watergate conspiracy. Nixon had his faults. But he was essentially innocent on the Watergate tempest. Geoff Stevensen in his "The Secret plot to make Kennedy President," and in his speech on C-span "Five Watergate Conspiracies," which is available on line under this title, indicates that the Watergate prosecutors had to know that their destruction of Nixon was a massive abuse of the law.

Question: Why are the files and reports of the Senate investigation committe and the House impeachment committee sealed for 50 years? What is hidden in these files?

Al Adab| 12.6.11 @ 12:01PM

Willie: Also read "Silent Coup" about the Watergate events. Does anyone remember that the news networks carried the senate hearings all day every day until the dirt stuck? Remember they had to chase Agnew from office before they went after Nixon? What if Nixon had selected Goldwater instead of Ford as his VP?

W| 12.6.11 @ 12:30PM

Al Adab,
Silent Coup was very interesting. Agnew in his book said he was forced to resign as a sacrifice so the Dems and media would back off Nixon.

Al Adab| 12.6.11 @ 2:19PM

Yes, W and like all attempts at compromise with evil, it failed and led the compromiser into an even worse condition.

RCV| 12.7.11 @ 5:00PM

Perhaps receiving bags of cash in the White House just might be what forced Spiro to resign.

W| 12.7.11 @ 8:30PM

No question he received envelopes, not bags, of cash while in the White House, for "payments" due when he was governor, which was the practice in Maryland for years.

But why was he prosecuted at that time?

Maybe he should have just rented out the Lincoln Bedroom or sold pardons for donations to his library, which are legal. Agnew just skipped the dance steps and took the cash.

RCV| 12.7.11 @ 11:05PM

A poor rationalization, indeed, for corruptive public bribery. The man was a crook, plain and simple. Don't try to make excuses for him.

W| 12.8.11 @ 7:07AM

Not making excuses but asking why he was prosecuted in August 1973 and had been VP since Jan 1969. It was apparantly well known about the Maryland practice. The timing is the question.

RCV| 12.8.11 @ 11:21AM

Don't know enough about the details of the prosecution's development of their case.

W| 12.8.11 @ 2:25PM

Agnew"s book is "Go quietly ...or else."

Howard| 12.6.11 @ 10:52AM

The left controls the mainstream media. They share similar views. Not necessarily atheists, but, uncomfortable with religion. Unfortunately, there are two sets of rules. One for liberals, one for conservatives. Being Jewish, I understand the game of different rules. Get over it.

True| 12.6.11 @ 11:06AM

Howard, let me say it for you, since you have trouble with it. Media today means godless, hedonists. The "Left" means godless, hedonists, narcisists.

This is not "discomfort." It is outright rage against.

This manifests itself EVERY DAY.

Your Jewishness obviously is just cultural, family descended DNA. You are not a Jew in terms of following scripture or anything remotely resembling a faith in God. So I would question how you can say, "being Jewish."

A real Jew and man of faith would not refer to this as "understanding the game."

Con Chef (NB) | 12.6.11 @ 11:20AM

I too, am Jewish & a man of faith. And all I think Howard is saying is that there has been, & will always be, the double standard. I don't see where, from his comment, you could find a reason to basically call him a JINO.

The double standard DOES exist. Deal with it. In the internet age, the "mainstream media" is becoming less & less influential every day, however.

Al Adab| 12.6.11 @ 12:07PM

Frankly gentlemen, I believe that as Conservatives we should welcome the double standard and claim it as a matter of higher moral principle. We should hold ourselves to the higher standard and seek ever more to exemplify something beyond self-agrandizement and power in every aspect of our lives including our public/political life.

Con Chef (NB) | 12.6.11 @ 12:34PM

No argument here, Brother.

Margie| 12.6.11 @ 1:50PM

Al Adab,
You remind me of that religious man in that old cartoon I watched as a child. Do you remember it~ it was the one about the Hatfields and McCoys.
They'd be fighting their battle with gunfight and the religious guy would walk out in the middle of it and talk all peace and beg them to be good.

But what did they do? They shot him through with holes.

Al, you are a nice guy but you know that wars are not won by wishing for peace, but they are won by fighting back, and that means SPEAKING the truth whenever you see injustice.

Do you remember the Scripture in Song of Solomon 6~ "Terrible as an army with banners?"

So, how do we "claim" the double standard?
This is WAR!
:^).

Margie| 12.6.11 @ 1:55PM

p.s. Either way they're going to shoot us down. So, it comes down to, "Give me Liberty or give me Death!"

Al Adab| 12.6.11 @ 2:16PM

Oh Margie, we don't disagree on that at all.
"The people cry Peace, Peace, but there is no peace."
To claim the double standard we must be willing to stand or fall on principle. We hold ourselves to the higher standard and judge ourselves accordingly. Did you not say a few days ago. better a forgiven sinner than a heathen or something along those lines? Remember when Joshua met the "Commander of the Lords' army" His question was are you on our side or the side of our enemies. The answer was "yes". We must ask not if God is on our side, but if we are on Gods' side. That raises the double standard.

Lincoln wrote that both sides thought they were on Gods' side. He felt certain that one and perhaps both were wrong. We really do need to meet and converse at length someday. I would enjoy that very much.

Margie| 12.6.11 @ 2:26PM

Oh, Al Adab, I know you are a good man. I would just like a little back up from the false accuser here~ you know what I'm talking about.

When a man who claims to be a Christian accuses another Christian of wanting to commit Adultery with him, and is such an egomaniac that he claims he has the e mails to prove it~ then refuses to post them at my request~ isn't it perfectly CLEAR he is a liar?

The silence of other Christians here speaks volumes and yet I know I am not alone. I can say confidently that God IS on my side because I am innocent of the charges.. and am on His side as I have no desire to cheat on my husband. It sickens me that this man continues doing this here.

He has made it a public thing~ NOT ME! I have only to defend myself HERE where HE has done this SIN.

As to meeting and conversing~ I am in Ohio. My e mail is: wehavetoomuchstuff@gmail.com.

My husband and me would LOVE to meet with you.

Al Adab| 12.6.11 @ 3:28PM

M:
I have tried to avoid involving myself in a public dispute between two persons whose opinions I value. I simply have not followed it in favor of focusing on the public policy matters of much import. All I can do is admonish brothers and sisters to treat one another with forgivness and love. I leave it to each of you to decide how best to exemplify those values through action regarding one another. So many are the bloggers I would one day wish to meet. You will hear from me.

Papist Dan| 12.6.11 @ 3:48PM

AA
Do you really want to end up seeing your email to M posted here someday like Ken's?
Think twice.

Margie| 12.6.11 @ 4:20PM

Flake off, snowflake. Al Adab is an honest man, and not a false accuser such as yourself.
Mind your own business, Papist Troll.

Papist Dan| 12.6.11 @ 4:59PM

"Flake off" Wow. Clever little trash mouth.

Ken (Old Texican)| 12.6.11 @ 7:41PM

OK, Margie
I guess I have to finally respond. Instead of making statements, I shall merely ask questions. (PS: I shall copy paste this, and your response, every time you try to consign me to hell.)
• Did you or did you not… profess undying love for me for defending you here for over two years?
•
• Did you in fact write to me begging me NOT to respond to your e-mail professing your love…because you and your husband use the same e-mail account…and he might read my response?

• Did you in fact write me that you had made horrible choices in your marriage decision/s?
• Did you in fact tell me that you had to move because you could not pay your rent/mortgage?
• Did I in fact go out on a limb and introduce you to one of my key stockholders?
• On my say-so did he give you and your husband a shot at a six figure annual income…no charge?
• Is he to be consigned to hell because you failed to produce?
• Finally, do you know the difference between the Old and New Testaments?
• You know…”kill every man woman and child and their livestock”, versus…New Testament…”turn the other cheek”?
Well, Margie, I have turned the other cheek for several months. Would you like to respond?
I would have written this privately except you changed your e-mail…
So answer us?

Margie| 12.7.11 @ 4:10AM

Asshole. I answered your every point. You want to keep this up?
Fine.
You ignored my answers to you, you lying creep.
Filthy. lying. Reprobate.

Bill| 12.7.11 @ 9:36AM

I thought you were, like, religious. My, my, such language.

Margie| 12.7.11 @ 6:33PM

OK~! then let me rephrase in the manner in which Ken the Reprobate addressed Quin the other day: KISS MY ASS.

Margie| 12.8.11 @ 3:10PM

"He who speaks the truth gives honest evidence, but a false witness utters deceit." Prov. 12:17.

NOW: You have made your list here, which I have answered like a fool.
Or did your stinking lawyer put that list together? Sure sounds lawyerly.

AND YET: You STILL hav not posted any of these supposed e mails you CLAIMED you ahve to show that I want to supposedly cheat on my husband.

NOW: For the umpteenth time: POST THEM!

YOU CANNOT, because there aren't any!
Reprobate scum.

NO LAWYER can snare me because I am honest. I am REAL, and I NEVER did as you accuse.

YOUR JUDGMENT WILL BE SWIFT ON THAT DAY WHEN YOU MEET THE LORD OF GLORY.

Margie| 12.6.11 @ 2:15PM

LOL~ Rush is talking about this very thing right now.
Hail Maha Rushie!

rd| 12.6.11 @ 11:00AM

Mr. Lord, should the name John Ashcroft be included in your list of conservatives endlessly attacked? Seems to me that the attacks, false accusations, derision heaped on Attorney General Mr. Ashcroft were the opening liberal salvo against the G.W.Bush administration. When it succeeded so well, this only encouraged the libs/leftists (Godless) all the more.

Bill| 12.6.11 @ 11:03AM

Yes, it's true that the Left has consistently attacked right-wing political figures. But there are a few things that should be put in order.

1. Alger Hiss was not convicted of being a Communist spy; he was convicted of perjury;

2. The slush fund issue was not the first time Nixon was subjected to left-wing attack; the first time was the accusation that he employed improper tactics against Helen Gahagan Douglas;

3. The Checkers speech not only reassured most Americans that the slush fund was not a serious issue and that Nixon was OK, it established Nixon as a national figure; so that left-wing attack turned out backfiring on the Left;

4. The Right has often been very effective at attacking the Left - remember when Adlai Stevenson was an "egghead" and liberals were "knee-jerk liberals?"

5. The attack on Kennedy as a person with dual loyalties, questionable ones, to the Pope and the nation, came from the Right;

6. LBJ caught hell and Nixon after him for their prosecution of the Vietnam, but I think LBJ got the worst of it;

7. Jimmy Carter was a laughingstock when he was President, not just afterward. A lot of that came from right-wing sources;

8. Bill Clinton got impeached in a process that was remarkable for its partisan nature.

But yes, the Left attacks Righties who concern themselves with conservative issues. Righties attack Lefties too.

Bill| 12.6.11 @ 11:09AM

I guess technically speaking, Bill Clinton was not impeached; he was subjected to a proceeding intended to determine whether or not he should be impeached. But I still stand by my remark on the partisan nature of the revolt against Bill Clinton.

RCV| 12.6.11 @ 11:13AM

He was impeached. He was not convicted by the Senate.

Al Adab| 12.6.11 @ 11:53AM

RCV:
Correct. He was impeached (charged) by the House and tried by the Senate. He was aquitted which spared us President Gore.

chuck| 12.6.11 @ 2:32PM

Clinton should have been found guilty and removed. However, looking back on it, two more years of Clinton was a small price to pay for never having to utter the words President Gore.

crooked wren| 12.6.11 @ 11:36AM

Wrong Bill. Hiss was convicted of being a Communist. The media hounded Chambers into an early grave. Every individual in government that Joe McCarthy said was a Communist WAS a Communist. McCarthy was hounded into an early grave. Your soft soap is a sop to an undeserving leftist media. Which America do YOU want; the collective state or the individual Republic?

Bill| 12.7.11 @ 9:17AM

No, he wasn't. He was convicted of perjury.

Bill| 12.7.11 @ 9:20AM

Just to be clear, the evidence seems clear that Alger Hiss (Soviet code name "Ales") was a spy for either the KGB or GRU, but the statute of limitations on espionage had expired and he was charged with, and convicted of, and spent time in prison for, perjury. He was NOT, repeat NOT, I say again NOT, convicted of being a Communist.

For one thing, being a Communist in the United States is not a crime.

Bill| 12.7.11 @ 9:26AM

I want an America that guarantees liberty for all, with equal justice under law, and whose government is in the habit of leaving people alone to make their own decisions.

If that means telling lies about Republicans, or being a Communist (NOT being a spy, that's wrong for obvious reasons), or praying in schools, or suing a school because it fosters praying schools, and a host of other issues, then so be it; that's the way a free society goes on. Everybody is allowed to think differently if they want to. They can't DO anything they want, but they can THINK anything they want, join with others who think alike, and talk about it.

Simon Templar| 12.6.11 @ 12:27PM

The critical difference Bill that you attempt to bury and misdirect from is that conservatives do not make up false allegations, false stories, and downright lies about the Left's candidates. They generally do not engage in character assasination campaigns orchestrated by a gigantic media complex. Yes, they have made allegations, asked hard hitting questions, and leveled stingy criticism but it was usually grounded in truth and a preponderence of evidence suggesting wrong doing.

Bill Clinton got impeached because he purjured himself, a very serious offense for a President.
Bad example you give as it proves our point. The Dems demonstrated their double standard, bias, and disdain for truth when the Dems did not participate in the impeachment. When Nixon was caught in wrong doing, Republicans led the effort in proceedings to impeach.

Bill| 12.7.11 @ 9:29AM

I didn't attempt to bury or misdirect anything. I said the right and the left attack each other politically, and have done so ever since there was a right and a left. Yes, I think the Republicans tend to be more truthful than the Democrats, the conservatives more honest than the liberals.

Zak Klemmer| 12.7.11 @ 8:42AM

If Nixon was a conservative, God help us.

Bill| 12.7.11 @ 9:38AM

Don't forget President Reagan and catastrophic national health care!

Bill| 12.7.11 @ 9:39AM

I guess I should have said "national catastrophic health care."

shirley jean dobler| 12.6.11 @ 11:04AM

This article article is EXCELLENT and sums up what I have been thinking for a very long time, that the root of all our problems can be summed up in three words, GOD or Man. "Man' the 'collective' as embodied in the 'omnipotent god-state,' actually the collective ruled over by elitist god wannabes. Who do you choose? To whom do you grant dominion? I choose GOD!

Next you should write an article on Christian Reconstruction. Are you familiar with Gary North?

Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants. William Penn

“Man will ultimately be governed by God or by tyrants.” Benjamin Franklin

In my own time governments have taken the place of people. They have also taken the place of God. Governments speak for people, dream for them, and determine absurdly their lives and deaths. This new worship of government… is a worship I lack. I have no reverence for the all-powerful and bewildered face of Government. I see it as a lessening of the human being and a final looting of his birthright.” —Ben Hecht

Simon Templar| 12.6.11 @ 12:08PM

Shirley, "we hold these truths to be self evident....and endowed by the Creator...."

It has been there all along and was decided long ago.

Seek| 12.6.11 @ 3:05PM

The problem with all too many governments throughout history is that they invoke the name of God to justify war and less blatant forms of coercion. Here's a thought: Maybe if there were less God in the public square, there would be less government, too. I'm all for that.

The Knife| 12.6.11 @ 3:57PM

Atheists killed about 100 million people last century. The religious have never got close to this number.

Seek| 12.9.11 @ 12:47PM

"Atheist holocausts" are a misnomer. Communists despised private property most of all; Nazis despised non-Aryan racial enemies most of all. The devastation these regimes committed was NOT in the name of "atheism." Nice try.

Zak Klemmer| 12.7.11 @ 11:46AM

The left must remove all traditional values from America to transform it into their misanthropic Utopia. That is why there is a war to remove all religious symbols from the public square.

shirley jean dobler| 12.6.11 @ 11:26AM

"In my own time governments have taken the place of people. They have also taken the place of God. Governments speak for people, dream for them, and determine absurdly their lives and deaths. This new worship of government… is a worship I lack. I have no reverence for the all-powerful and bewildered face of Government. I see it as a lessening of the human being and a final looting of his birthright.” —Ben Hecht

Range| 12.6.11 @ 11:38AM

Thank you, ma'am. It is one reason I tetest hearing in these "debates" or TV interviews a former governor or former senator still being referred to by his former office title.

That's like looking at at any of us and still calling us, "Well, now, Eighth Grader, what do you think about...."

Okay, not exactly. But this Ben Hecht (proper) irreverence for government and those in it should be one we all share.

Rhoetus | 12.7.11 @ 2:17PM

Ben Hecht's quote is genius.

crooked wren| 12.6.11 @ 11:26AM

This article should be read by every Conservative. It encapsulates the last 50 years of the media double standard and nails the root cause: God or Man ? Individual or Collective? Whittaker Chambers was a brilliant writer. His 'Witness" is a must read for Conservatives. Ditto for any political piece by William F Buckley. I remember Nixon's early media problems. The first National election I in which I could cast a vote was Goldwater vs. Johnson and I vividly recall how the Senator was trashed. I spent 22 years working in news magazines and newspapers and arguing politics with the Liberal editors and writers who were my co-workers. They all thought they were 'middle-of-the-road,' and 'objective.' I was the radical loose cannon.
The battle has become so blatantly obvious that now the polarization is complete--there can no longer be compromise. The Left has always felt this way, the problem today is that the Conservatives have finally decided we can not lose any more ground to the 'collective' agenda or we will lose our Constitutional Republic. It is time to defeat the Progressive collective, the party of the mob.
No matter how flawed our ultimate candidate, no matter how he or she is savaged by the prejudiced media, we must get behind them and soundly defeat the Progressive Idea. Each of us must ultimately decide: God or Man!

JmsA| 12.6.11 @ 12:50PM

You're on roll, crooked wren.

JmsA| 12.6.11 @ 12:50PM

Meant to write: You're on a roll, crooked wren.

Margie| 12.6.11 @ 1:23PM

Too late for Herman Cain, though isn't it? The Left, along with some on our own side destroyed him.

And that's the problem we now have~ so-called conservatives are out to destroy us just as much as those on the Left.

Why didn't we get behind Herman Cain? why did we allow our own to help to destroy him?

It goes on here daily, I personally experience it here by one of the supposed Christian conservative men here who is for months falsely accusing me. He hits and runs~ no proof~ though he claims he has it~ and refuses to post it. And NOT one conservative here takes him to task, either!

Right, Ken (Old Tex)?

But this I know: that God is Just.

Al Adab| 12.6.11 @ 2:07PM

"Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever." Thomas Jefferson of all "deists" no less.

Margie| 12.6.11 @ 2:13PM

Amen!

RCV| 12.6.11 @ 10:47PM

He was speaking of the perpetuation of slavery in the young Republic, and he was right. The price we paid as a nation was countless dead in one of the bloodiest wars in history. The Battle Hymn of the Republic echoes so eloquently Jefferson's prescient words: "He is trammeling in the vineyards where the grapes of wrath are stored."

Ken (Old Texican)| 12.6.11 @ 2:34PM

OK, Margie
I guess I have to finally respond. Instead of making statements, I shall merely ask questions. (PS: I shall copy paste this, and your response, every time you try to consign me to hell.)
• Did you or did you not… profess undying love for me for defending you here for over two years?
•
• Did you in fact write to me begging me NOT to respond to your e-mail professing your love…because you and your husband use the same e-mail account…and he might read my response?

• Did you in fact write me that you had made horrible choices in your marriage decision/s?
• Did you in fact tell me that you had to move because you could not pay your rent/mortgage?
• Did I in fact go out on a limb and introduce you to one of my key stockholders?
• On my say-so did he give you and your husband a shot at a six figure annual income…no charge?
• Is he to be consigned to hell because you failed to produce?
• Finally, do you know the difference between the Old and New Testaments?
• You know…”kill every man woman and child and their livestock”, versus…New Testament…”turn the other cheek”?
Well, Margie, I have turned the other cheek for several months. Would you like to respond?
I would have written this privately except you changed your e-mail…
So answer us?

Margie| 12.6.11 @ 3:27PM

Ken:

You are filled with deceit.
You say, "I have to finally respond".
Wow! You start out with a lie right there, for you have been trashing me with false accusations of wanting to be unfaithful to my husband here for months!
Are you so lame that you do not realize that thousands of people have been reading your posts, and if they haven't, they can simply do a search here?

That's just my response to your VERY FIRST deceitful comment in your VERY FIRST sentence!

Your second sentence is also filled with DECEIT. You say, you shall paste this, "every time I consign you to Hell."

Ha! You know full WELL that it isn't ME that consigns anyone to Hell, but that it is the WORD OF GOD that does so. His hatred of liars and slanderers is CLEAR in HIS OWN WORDS which I post in response to your false accusations and slander!

You REALLY need to repent of your SIN, as you seem to have a seared conscience.

Next. You say:

"• Did you or did you not… profess undying love for me for defending you here for over two years?"

What are you insinuating? Something filthy? I am not filthy, and in my emails to you I said I loved you as Christ loves us, and YOU have done the same. Both of us have said those words and it was not in a filthy or corrupt manner.

And: You have stopped "defending" me for a VERY long time now, and in fact have sent me e mails threatening me and saying "You are toast" at AmSpec, and have asked me to stop posting here because you have accused me of being a Pharisee because I DARE to speak in Scripture against false Religion.

I have posted some of your choice e mails to that effect. I will post them again if you so desire.

Next. You say:

"• Did you in fact write to me begging me NOT to respond to your e-mail professing your love…because you and your husband use the same e-mail account…and he might read my response?"

Sickening. Again you say, "professing my love." See above.
In FACT YOU were the one who asked ME not to let my husband see our e mails, not me. You said you were going to counsel me, that you were a counselor before, and not to let my husband see our e mails~ which I ignored.

And in fact, we have never met in person, just to let the readers know~ and have only spoken by phone
a few times, and every time my husband was on the other line.

I posted one of YOUR e mails where you stated that YOUR wife never sees the e mail. I always ignored what you said, because it does not matter to me, I hide nothing from my husband.

Next: You say:

"• Did you in fact write me that you had made horrible choices in your marriage decision/s?"

You were supposedly counseling me you fraud. And now you try and present me as some kind of cheater? I CONFIDED in you about the way I got married, and as a supposed Christian counselor, you are now making this into a perverted accusation against me?

Next: You say:

"• Did you in fact tell me that you had to move because you could not pay your rent/mortgage?"

Wow, your disgusting deceit continues! Now you are so deceitfully trying to make ME out to be like the whack job woman!

No, what WE~ that is, me and my husband discussed with you, who we thought was a friend~ is the fact that we moved to PA because my husband lost his job and we could no longer afford the cost of living there. We leased a house for a year while we looked for a house to buy. At the time, when we moved, we had a lot of trouble with having to make an extra trip back to NJ and back and hiring movers because we just couldn't do some of it by ourselves~ and it cost us hundreds of extra dollars. THAT is what we spoke about, that we were afraid we weren't going to be able to pay the rent.. and YOU asked us if we needed help~ and WE SAID NO!!!! Thank you!!!
You are such a snake!

Next: You say:

"• Did I in fact go out on a limb and introduce you to one of my key stockholders?
• On my say-so did he give you and your husband a shot at a six figure annual income…no charge?
• Is he to be consigned to hell because you failed to produce?"

Wow. One of your "stock holders?. Your friend Bob told us you ASKED him to help YOU out, so he gave you some money.. for your wife's business, which YOU married into. He said you weren't too well off yourself.

You gave us his number, yes. BUT: You claimed here ever so deceitfully~ that YOU sent us "millions of dollars worth of YOUR inventory~ FREE OF CHARGE."

You lied about it. It isn't your business, and you sent us nothing. And it wasn't millions of dollars worth of anything.

WE paid the shipping, and we also PAID for the small inventory HE sent to us. We have spoken to him and told him and sent him your posts here as to your lies. He doesn't appreciate what you've done, and I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't any longer "one of your stockholders."
Got it, liar?

And the brochures which we paid for IN FULL are a done deal. With HIM, not YOU.
Nothing has FAILED~ except you at your deceit. The brochures are selling at what they are worth, about 10.00 a piece, here and there. We have been ebay sellers since 2001, which is where we are selling them. Bob SOLD them to us, he didn't GIVE them to us.
And I don't consign anyone to Hell~ God does~He says He throws liars and slanderers into Hell. Rev. 21:8.

I do not BLAME others for my own life, I accept responsibilty for my own choices, and am honest about them, as I was with you, believing you were an honest man.

Finally you say in utter deceit:

"• Finally, do you know the difference between the Old and New Testaments?
• You know…”kill every man woman and child and their livestock”, versus…New Testament…”turn the other cheek”?
Well, Margie, I have turned the other cheek for several months. Would you like to respond?"

Turn the other cheek you say? To YOU? You think like a Reprobate, and a Liberal so-called Christian in that you actually are telling me to look the other way while you continue to present to the world that I am an unfaithful woman, that I want to commit Adultery with you?

Are you insane?

And you try to claim YOU have turned the other cheek?

To what, exactly? You are the one falsely accusing ME!

You are so blind to your hypocrisy~ typical Liberal Christian. me.

And not only that, but now you try and say you would e mail me privately , but my e mail has changed?
VERY FUNNY, Ken. You sent me threatening e mail for months warning me to keep my mouth shut here, and for months have posted your phony accusations of my "undying love".. and I have posted here in response, that I have asked you repeatedly to STOP with the threats.. and you know also that I tried calling you and you said you wanted nothing to do with me.
Even after all of the false accusing, I tried to make peace with you.. I e mailed you and said if you wanted to be a brother, and repent, that I was willing to forgive you, and YOU refused.. and you continue to falsely accuse me.

"Answer US?"

Who the Hell is "US" you freak?

Now~ yo have posted here publicly that I wanted to cheat on my husband with you, YOU claimed you had the e mails to prove it.

I am SICK of this: I have asked you to POST THEM. You did not.

Then, you changed your story and said that oops, you couldn't.. why? Because I asked you to delete them!

God sees what you did, and so can Man. You originally claimed to have e mails to "prove" I "asked you to marry me."
UGH.

You aren't allowed by any standard of decency, to change your story!

God is JUST. Praise HIS HOLY NAME!

Repent or burn, Reprobate.

My email is: wehavetoomuchstuff@gmail.com.

MikeG| 12.6.11 @ 3:37PM

Please AmSpec, bar this lunatic. This is supposed to be a political and cultural forum, not junior high school.

Margie| 12.6.11 @ 4:10PM

If AmSpec were to bar liars, you' be first on the list, punk.

The Jerry Springer Show| 12.6.11 @ 5:26PM

Margie, sorry babe, but we don't want you on the show. Your'e too far gone babe. Not funny, just pathetic. Try Dr. Phil.

Ken (Old Texican)| 12.6.11 @ 8:02PM

Vic,
you and Margie still need to have that long talk.
God bless

Margie| 12.7.11 @ 3:12AM

Ken,

You're an utter Reprobate, you have no conscience. You will be having to have a very long talk with God who isn't pleased with you.

Lotsa luck.

"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death." ev. 21:8.

Bill| 12.7.11 @ 9:33AM

If he's a reprobate, are you among the elect?

Steve| 12.7.11 @ 8:33PM

What is the difference between a reprobate and an utter reprobate?

Margie| 12.8.11 @ 3:11PM

"He who speaks the truth gives honest evidence, but a false witness utters deceit." Prov. 12:17.

NOW: You have made your list here, which I have answered like a fool.
Or did your stinking lawyer put that list together? Sure sounds lawyerly.

AND YET: You STILL hav not posted any of these supposed e mails you CLAIMED you ahve to show that I want to supposedly cheat on my husband.

NOW: For the umpteenth time: POST THEM!

YOU CANNOT, because there aren't any!
Reprobate scum.

NO LAWYER can snare me because I am honest. I am REAL, and I NEVER did as you accuse.

YOUR JUDGMENT WILL BE SWIFT ON THAT DAY WHEN YOU MEET THE LORD OF GLORY.

Petronius| 12.6.11 @ 11:27AM

Liberals cannot be defeated politically. They can only be undone culturally. As they are total egoists with no sense of shame, that is impossible. Their true philosophy is wanton hedonism at the expense of all others. And as they control all cultural institutions and the courts, they will never be brought to book. Our country, while still a physical whole is riddle with their cancerous perversity, perfidy, profligacy, profane posturing redolent of Rome in her ruin. It will end only when every human being still alive here has been stripped to his last penny of disposable income and nothing remains in private hands to be taken by their collectivist monster, the IRS. Only then will intelligent people realize the mad dream of social perfection in a world of selfless altruism was just a colossal sick joke on the part of thieving politicians who refused to work for a living and hold in utter contempt all of us who do. So how do we beat this army of leftist lowlife short of bloody constraint? Accumulate weaponry and provisions into your homes for up to a year. Close down our businesses and have a national lockout. Without commerce and taxation we can starve the beast on the Potomac and their Occupiers in our parks at the same time.
The election has already been reduced to theater performed by the desperate and depraved with all in the production company and the critics on the side of the latter.
And I tip my cap to New York's Finest who confiscated and ate the pizzas ordered by the Occupiers last week after locking them up.

VonMisesJr| 12.6.11 @ 11:59AM

Von Mises dates use of ad hominem attack back to Marx himself in his books "Socialism" and "Theory and History."
The predecessors of Austrian Economics exploded Marxist Theory on grounds of inability to calculate prices, inability to plan centrally, the "material productive forces" farce and lack of motivation of workers. Marx could not defend his position, so he attacked his critics.
So Jeffrey Lord is correct in their tactics, but the tactic goes back to the mid-1800's and the "Enlightenment."
You can find both books at www.mises.org. Read them and you can defeat any socialist in an argument.

Simon Templar| 12.6.11 @ 12:04PM

Very interesting historical observation, Von. Thanks.

DRed| 12.6.11 @ 12:14PM

It's a shame conservatives are so polite. If they were only more willing to use ad hominem attacks we wouldn't have this America hating, foreign born, marxist, fascist, racist, anti-semitic, death panel enabling, pseudo-intellectual street pimp in the white house.

Simon Templar| 12.6.11 @ 12:43PM

As usual, misdirection of the argument, false premise, and false equivalency.
This really is getting boring. You really need to take a debate class, a logic course, and get a life.

The article as you know was not about politeness or using ad hominen attacks in politics. It was about and directly focused on using the media by the Left to make up false stories, false allegations, and destroy individuals on the basis of complete lies in no grounding of truth or reality. Sure those explicatives may have been thrown out by bloggers out here but you generally do not see it on the 6 o'clock news hour. That is where you see bold and arrogant use of these words and labels directed at the Tea Party, presidential candidates from Texas, the corporate sector, female conservatives on talk shows, liberal talk show host implying raping the daughters of candidates. What we put out there is the likes of mealy mouth George Will.

People who live in liberal swank glass houses should not even dare attempt to throw stones.

DRed| 12.6.11 @ 12:53PM

Von Mises Jr's comment about using ad hominem attacks was about using ad hominem attacks in politics. That's what I was responding to.

I wouldn't know what they say on the six o'clock news, Simon. I work too hard to be home by six o'clock. But I'm glad you get to.

VonMisesJr| 12.6.11 @ 1:03PM

My pleasure Simon. You are correct. Our response should not be to revert to ad hominem attack in reply. That is what they want.
Marx's detractors did not call him names. They, like the great Von Mises, wrote entire tomes disproving his theories.
Anyone with the time to read these books will understand how absurd the ideas are not only from a human behavior perspecive, but from an economic and logical basis.

Simon Templar| 12.6.11 @ 12:02PM

Mr. Lord,

Absolutely brilliant article. It is also a contribution to this struggle. You are no sunshine conservative. Maybe we can start to heed what you are illuminating and start fighting for what we believe and defending our own with the same vigor that the Left attempts to destroy.

mrfunn| 12.6.11 @ 12:16PM

Wonder how many people that helped end Cain's candidacy over sex allegations would like to see Bill Clinton in the White House for a third term?

W| 12.6.11 @ 12:37PM

Mr. Lord,
Terrific article.
But with the demise of the Soviet Union and communism everywhere, except in our universities and the "progressives," the immediate danger now is radical Islam. Like the commies, islamists want to establish their version of heaven on earth by whatever means necessary.They are more dangerous than the commies because they invoke Allah as the justification for all they do.

Who Knows?| 12.6.11 @ 12:39PM

Ah, Mr. Lord---your brilliant history lesson about the essential either-or, “God or man?”and Christianity/individualism or atheism/collectivism, is almost perfectly spot on.

In my view, one can even go deeper, and see how the human species plays its game according to the hoary saying, “Politics is war by other means”.

I can easily grok the leftist animosity towards Christians and other believers in God. Oh, how clear is my memory of encounters with Christians when I was in college, having concluded that it was EQUALLY illogical, and thereby stupid, to “believe” in God, or to dis-believe in God.

In short, I was a confirmed agnostic---hence, “Who Knows?”
So, my then-righteous attitude, which I even said to some fellow dorm mates who were believers, was that such people had given away their brains at birth. That is, they hadn’t thought through the inherent contradictions in their belief system, and might as well be---a Muslim, a Jew, or a Zoroaster. Etc.

So, yes, Mr. Lord, such a single-minded “belief” IS what animates the amoral politics-is-war-by-other-means left.

As a close reader of Jennifer Rubin, though, I’m very disappointed in your disngenuous putdown of her, even using quotes around “conservative blogger”. I realize it is next to impossible to keep up with all the words written and said by all the principle players, from presidential candidates on down through bloggers like Rubin, but, you are seriously mistaken about her. IMHO.

As a lawyer, as far as I can tell, she does a great job gathering as much evidence as possible, and indicting the people she’s being paid to critique. Her core method is---hoist them on their own petard. She uses lots of quotes from “memory-challenged” people like Gingrich, to prove her case.

I also LOVE Ann Coulter, so her defense of Cain, by deconstructing the character of his accusers, did give me pause. However, while the left may have been using the politics of personal destruction with these women, as Rubin so eloquently and expansively showed, Cain did himself in.

His REACTION to the sexual charges left much to be desired. As a counter example---say some “lady” popped out of the woodwork, and claimed Romney had grabbed her breasts.

I can easily picture his honest reaction---“Are you serious? That’s funny! Someone thinks they can get away with such a story!” And, perhaps he’d emit a hearty laugh.

And, we all know how Cain handled the serial accusers---not very presidential, eh?

Anyway---much too long, today, already.

Alow me to copy a Rubin post from a few days ago that illustrates her modus operandi, about the next presidential candidate to become “toast”---bad old Newt:

"Posted at 08:45 AM ET, 12/02/2011
The right begins to dissect Gingrich
By Jennifer Rubin
This week we reached Stage 2 in the surge of the latest not-Romney contender. Stage 1 is: “Our conservative savior!” Stage 2 is when conservatives begin to realize: “Oh wait, this guy’s worse than [fill in the blank], the prior not-Romney candidate.” Stage 3 is when the candidates’ shills and misinformed mainstream reporters announce that he’s not harmed by Stage 2. Stage 4 is when Stage 2 sinks in with the electorate at large. Stage 5 is the decline in polls. And Stage 6 is the beginning of the search for the new Stage 1.
This week, Stage 2 began with some much-needed cobweb clearing from the minds of some conservatives. Rep. Ron Paul’s ad got the ball rolling. But solid conservatives from Jim Geraghty to Mona Charen to Marvin Olasky to the editorial board of the Washington Examiner began to sound the alarm. Realizing that the White House is certainly obtainable as President Obama’s support continues to erode even within his own party and that Newt Gingrich might not implode all on his own, conservatives stepped forward. None of these are particularly well-disposed to Mitt Romney, but neither are they willing to avert their eyes from the very serious flaw of his latest rival.
Others like Ramesh Ponnuru have explicitly come out for Romney, while warning about the perils of Gingrich. Ponnuru writes:
His recent proposals on immigration are classic Gingrich: innovative-sounding, accompanied by high-tech gadgetry, and wholly absurd. Local community boards will decide which illegal immigrants to expel! We will be “humane,” while denying temporary workers the vote and stripping their children of citizenship! . . . . Memories have faded, and his current fans say he is a changed man. But he still has the rhetorical style — by turns incendiary, grandiose, and abrasive — that turned off middle-of-the-road Americans then. (November 16: “Because I am much like Reagan and Margaret Thatcher . . . ”) . . . . Recall the events that led to his campaign’s meltdown this summer, in which he first praised Paul Ryan’s plan for entitlements, then condemned it as “right-wing social engineering,” and finally apologized to Ryan for the comment. . . .
The warnings and criticisms fell into four distinct categories. The first is that Gingrich isn’t a staunch conservative but an opportunist who will gladly stab the right in the back for personal gain. The second is that his character is so flawed that he’s not fit to hold the presidency. (Only one issue concerns his serial infidelity. But it is a powerful issue for many soical conservatives, as Ponnuru notes: “He would be the first president with multiple ex-wives, and the first president with any ex-wives who speak negatively about him on the record. He would bring with him the first first lady who could be labeled a ‘home wrecker.’ President Obama would not have to say a word about any of this for the press to make it an issue.”) The third is that he’s not the new Newt at all and continues to dissemble on everything from his lobbying work to his undermining of Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.). The fourth is that he made millions lobbying (yes, lobbying) for big government on behalf of clients opposed to conservative principles. And the fifth is that he lacked leadership and organizational skills as speaker of the House and would be an even worse chief executive than Obama.
Now some of these are overlapping. The Examiner covered several in a single sentence: “Gingrich has been seen as an ultimate Washington insider, as exemplified in that $1.6 million he was paid to represent Fannie and Freddie, and his work with Nancy Pelosi on behalf of cap-and-trade.”
What is interesting is that with the exception of the Paul ad and some barbed comments from Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), all of this came to pass in a week and without much, if any, effort by the other Gingrich competitors. Romney has barely begun to attack Gingrich, deploying New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie to highlight the fifth category of criticisms. (“Speaker Gingrich has never run anything. He’s been a legislator. I have to tell you — I don’t think being a legislator is the best calling card. Look at the guy we have in the White House now. He never ran anything and was a legislator.”) Romney, Texas Gov. Rick Perry and others are telling us they are going to engage Gingrich, but unlike the surges of Herman Cain, Perry and Bachmann, there are many voices on the right who aren’t doing the “circle the wagons” and “it’s all a mainstream media plot” routine that they deployed to defend other not-Romney rivals. That is because Gingrich is better known, and frankly the stakes are getting higher as we approach the first actual contests.
But more than the pundits, more than his opponents, it is Gingrich who remains his most lethal threat. When he insists that he was not a lobbyist but a “citizen” when collecting tens of millions to influence lawmakers, he merely confirms the worst aspects of his persona (self-indulgent, obtuse, dishonest) and reminds Tea Partyers that he represents what they oppose.
Gingrich’s record is still sketchily known to many voters. But that record is emerging, and the arguments against his candidacy are being methodically forged by those who think the country’s problems are too great and the GOP’s shot at the White House is too important to entrust the nomination to someone whose defining characteristics (e.g. megalomania, recklessness, disorganization) are overwhelmingly negative. After a week of initial intensity the question on the minds many conservatives is: Is Gingrich really the GOP’s idea of an anti-Romney?"

oldfart| 12.6.11 @ 12:42PM

Soon to be added to the list is Herbert Hoover. Why Hoover? The release of his Magnum Opus has at last been published.
Titled: Freedom Betrayed it is quite well documented with original sources to back up his position. This is a scholarly work and should be taken seriously.
This tome will keep me busy during the winter months. So far his analysis is quite interesting - especially his analysis of how FDR messed up everything he touched. Heavens forbid anyone should say anything negative about FDR!!!!
The opening section of the book by George H. Nash, editor, is of itself quite interesting.
My initial reaction to the introduction is that it draws a clear line of distinction between a person who is a statesman and a person who is a politician.
I doubt it will change anyone's position but it is good to see a new look at how we actually got involved in WWII.
Everyone can draw their own conclusions.

Roberto| 12.6.11 @ 12:48PM

While certainly Progressives hold a great deal of enmity towards Christians, I don't think that serves as the end all thesis. They do have a long memory and were out to get Nixon for Hiss. plus it was difficult to attack popular Eisenhower as a candidate, and so attacked the next best thing. But there is a scenario brought to us by the Saul Alinskys and David Rockefellers of the world that goes like this and especially applies to 2008 and 2012: "We Progressives cannot win every election. There will be a time when the opposition will assume power for awhile. We need to make certain that the opposition is as close philosophically to Progressives as possible. So that, when out of power, all the gains previously achieved are not reversed. When we achieve power again, we don't have to start all over. In this way, we gradually achieve the world order we desire, that cannot gain popular overnight success. Also, it is a natural result of never having a logical argument. The only option is to demonize the opponent. Again, ala Alinsky. It has far more to do with that than religion.

Jacob R| 12.6.11 @ 1:10PM

I went to UCSB and the head of student affairs threatened to take legal action against me after she lost an argument about the religion of the founders. (She brought up Jefferson's Koran--which he himself said was to better know the enemy--and the Deism of him and other political stars of the day. I asked her where Deism came from, and what kind of people formed Jefferson through upbringing and public debate? Were they new age American Buddhists and Hindus or followers of the Kabala? Would Jefferson be possible without Christianity, more specifically the Pope's Christianity?)
I went to her to discuss professors and TAs marking down my grades out of bitterness towards my strong religious arguments.. Then she started yelling at me that I was trying to bring extremism into THEIR school and that she would have me sued by the school's lawyers or put in jail for harrassment, after she got done screaming at me.

I was obviously just religious and thus bitter and trying to bring down her noble colleagues.
(To this day I dream of finding a list of possible extremists with my name on it!)

Dagny Taggert| 12.6.11 @ 2:08PM

and here I thought "Diversity" was a goal of the college setting--oh that's right: Diversity in everything but the secular leftist opinion on religion and poitics....

Margie| 12.6.11 @ 1:34PM

Would Jefferson be possible without the Pope's Christianity? Oh, my.
Sorry, but this country was started by Christians that had to escape the murderous Popery under the cult of Catholicism.
Christians were put to death for standing on Scripture, and rejecting the false teachings of Catholicism, which doctrines are the doctrines of demons.
Jesus Christ is LORD, not the Pope!

"He who made all men hath made the truths necessary to human happiness obvious to all. Our forefathers threw off the yoke of Popery in religion; for you is reserved the honor of leveling the popery of politics. They opened the Bible to all, and maintained the capacity of every man to judge for himself in religion."
Samuel Adams- Speech at the State House, Philadelphia, August 1, 1776

Papist Dan| 12.6.11 @ 3:45PM

BIGOT ALERT!!!!!BIGOT ALERT!!!!!
Mullah Margie has just crawled out from under her rock.

She is upset again with Ken so she takes it out on Catholics.

Hey moron, the Pilgrims and Puritans left England because they could not get along with other Protestants like you. They came from Britain, idiot.

You really can't be this stupid. Catholics left to settle in Maryland because they were persecuted by bigots like you. Remember your looney anabaptists ancestors in Muenster that practiced polygamy and wife sharing.

You just want to provoke a fight, well fine Mullah. Any time you post your idiotic bigotry I will reply.

P.S. Jesus Christ is God. You are a crazy Mullah.

Margie| 12.6.11 @ 4:18PM

Anti-Christ alert! Anti-Christ alert!

What Bigotry? What I speak is the truth~ you cannot bear it because you have no truth in you, Papist Troll.
Read your history, lying Troll. Catholics were persecuted by their own.. when they chose to repent and follow the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and reject the Papacy.

Jesus Christ, Who is LORD of all, and not the Pope.

The blood of the beheaded, the tortured men, women and children by your Papists, whom you cling to are on their hands.

And you defend them still!

Not a single honest bone dwells in your body.

Repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ, in which He states that HE is the ONLY Mediator between God and Man. 1 Tim. 2:5.

Papist Dan| 12.6.11 @ 5:04PM

Hey Idiot Margie,
Who, besides you, says the Pope is Lord?
We been down this road before, Idiot, you aren't a Christian, you don't believe Jesus Christ is God. You made up your own little perverted cult of anabaptists that practiced polygamy and wife sharing.
You need a shrink, real bad, you are desperate for attention here because nobody wants to talk to you because your are a stupid bigot, so you always post some juvenile rant about Ken and then about the Pope. You are one sickie. Obsessed.
Repent, Mullah.

Margie| 12.7.11 @ 4:07AM

You're not only a disgusting liar and and a fraud, but an utter fool as well.

Flake off, snowflake. The Lake of Fire isn't a very nice place, ya know.

Rhoetus | 12.7.11 @ 2:50PM

Truth? It is so subjective, try some Christian charity.

RCV| 12.6.11 @ 10:58PM

Margie: your history is a little off. I don't know of any colonial settlements by people escaping "murderous Popery under the cult of Catholicism" unless you mean the small numbers of French Hugenots who settled in America. The Pilgrims came here, by way of the Netherlands, because they wanted to separate from their Protestant brethren in England who, incidentally, were persecuting Catholics at the time as well. Most of the people who settled colonial America were loyal Englishmen looking to improve their futures in a new land, not escaping any religious persecution, and certainly not by any Pope. Please don't try to turn everything into an anti-Catholic screed.

Oldefarte| 12.6.11 @ 1:34PM

The problem that Jeffrey Lord so accurately describes could easily, almost totally be eliminated by the American public by one simple process: [1] pick up their individual telephones [2] phone the business office of their individual hometown newpaper and tell them to CANCEL MY SUBSCRIPTION TO YOUR NEWPAPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oldfart| 12.6.11 @ 1:42PM

I did - I was just using to line the cat box anyway. What was printed on the pages was not worth reading anyway.

Purpleguy| 12.7.11 @ 12:10AM

And, presto, we have the low-information voter ... the low information Fixed News audience!

chuck| 12.6.11 @ 2:38PM

Oldefarte,

I canceled my subscription to the Atlanta Urinal years ago. It immediately made my life happier not reading that crap they spewed everyday.

I do miss the crossword and sudoku puzzles though.

Stephen Smoot| 12.6.11 @ 3:38PM

Add Conrad Black to that list.

Con Chef (NB) | 12.6.11 @ 4:20PM

Against my better judgement, I feel I need to weigh in here on this Ken & Margie thing. I don't have the FIRST CLUE who said what to who & who did so first. I DO remember, a while ago, when I was still "NavyBrat" on this site, the two of you being a couple of my 2 favorite posters.

I have used the idea of Catholicism against guys like Jack, who regularly cites past & present Popes (the only one of whom that was worth a damn was the LAST one, BTW) in their commentary, yet these same people call supporters of Israel "Israel Firsters." So my question to them, on a blog piece from Saturday was, "does this make you a "Vatican Firster."

Now, I don't care by what name someone calls G*d. If you're a good Catholic, Christian or Jew, & live your life as best you can according to G*d's law, & are truly repentant for your sins, then I believe you're right with the Lord. There is only ONE religion I cast dispersions on in general, & that is Islam. The reason being that even the voices of moderation in Islam are almost ALWAYS the first to be killed. An Iraqi man, living here, had a Star of David CARVED on his back for his public & vocal support of Israel.

This man, & others like him, are not our problem. The problem is the fact that Islam hasn't changed since its inception. Catholicism, Protestantism, Judaism have all evolved at some point in their histories.

But, Ms. Margie, the days of Torquemada are over. My Mother is a Catholic. And has faith that I could only DREAM of possessing. She's not a "practicing" Catholic, but her faith in G*d is unshakeable. That's why she & my Dad, a Jew, got along so well. Again, it doesn't matter by what name you call G*d. It only matters how your life best exemplifies His commandments & on the veracity of your repentance for your sins.

Again, I'm sorry to stick myself in the middle of this, but I just wanted to give my opinion to 2 people who's comments I usually enjoy reading.

And if y'all think I'm off base or being a jerk, you can email me:

DTFrankel79@gmail.com

Again, this is just my humble opinion.

chuck| 12.6.11 @ 8:25PM

con chef,

I have to agree. It really pains me to see two people whose opinions I enjoy reading having a public feud.

I'm with you about religion, and the only one I disparage is Islam, as it is based not on love or morality, but on hatred and murder. It is a cult of death.

I'm Christian, my wife is a Jew, my brother married a Catholic. I have a brother-in-law who left the Catholic Church when he married my sister. I have my beliefs, my wife has hers, and we respect each others beliefs. Her family has always made me feel like one of the family, and although most are bleeding heart liberals, they are fine and decent, very hard working, self-made people. I still don't know why they're libs!

I guess what I'm trying to say is this, I think we all need to respect each others religious beliefs, try to live up to standards of our own beliefs, and treat each other openly and honestly.

Thanks for your honest opinion con chef, and I'm glad to know that someone else has similar beliefs.

Con Chef (NB) | 12.6.11 @ 10:06PM

No, Brother, you're not alone. My hometown is Memphis, TN. When I moved there in 1988, I was SURROUNDED by people who asked me what church I was going to. When I told them I was Jewish, that usually ended the conversation.

My reason for choosing Judiasm over Christianity was twofold. One was that my Dad's mom was old school & wanted me brought up Jewish. And she wore me, my Mom & Dad out about it, individually. My MOM'S Mother wanted me raised Catholic. And she beat the hell outta my Mom's ears for it. Being BAPTISED Catholic wasn't enough, she wanted the whole shebang, just like my other grandmother did.

So I decided to spare my parents the aggrivation & declared a pox on BOTH the gandmother's houses & chose to just believe in G*d. The more I read the Bible, the more I decided that I didn't really hold with the New Testament. I, personally, had a problem with the divinity of Christ. Prophet? Yes? Revolutionary for what eventually would serve as one of the main platforms for all civilization? Yes. But, in MY opinion at the time, & still now, is that I don't need an intermediary between me & G*d. I can pray to Him & He will hear my prayers. I will wait for my Messiah, as my religious forebearers will.

But in the end, I took to heart the words of many of the Souther Baptist pastors who prayed with us before soccer games (at a PUBLIC SCHOOL, GASP*). These men spoke of a "personal relationship with G*d." And that's what I consider myself to have.

Con Chef (NB) | 12.6.11 @ 10:09PM

Correction:

"...one of the main platforms for all civilization?"

Should read "...one of the main platfroms for all of WESTERN civilization."

Sorry for the omission.

Margie| 12.7.11 @ 4:01AM

You cannot have a personal relationship with God apart from Christ, ConChef.

Pray that God softens your heart to receive Him, as He died in your place for your sins.

You kiddo, were bought with a price! BECAUSE of the fact that Jesus, the only begotten Son from the Father died for you, you are not permitted by the Father to reject His Son.

He sacrificed Himself for you so that you don't have to go to Hell, which ALL of mankind is going unless they repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Jesus became the only Mediator between God and Man~ THAT'S the Gospel~ and it is clear.

No one is exempt from this requirement. And what s the requirement, but to place your trust in the living God through His Son Who loves you with a love undying.

Jesus became Sin for us when He knew no Sin. He was faithful unto Death and became the Sacrificial Lamb who took away the Sin of the World.

I pray that God will open the eyes of ConChef.. just like He did for me, and for all the Christians who have come to know the Saviour of Mankind.

Without Jesus we are hopeless sinners but with Him and in Him we are forgiven sons and daughters of the Most High.

Without Him there is no hope of Salvation but with Him and in Him is the hope of the Glory of God an an inheritance with the saints in Light.

Is Jesus perhaps calling you? I pray that He is. Do not forsake Him.

"Jesus says to him, I am the Way, and the
Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the
Father if not through Me." Jn. 14:6.

Con Chef (NB) | 12.7.11 @ 9:13AM

Tell you what, Margie. You get to G*d your way & worry about your own soul. I'm fine with my relationship with Him. And as long as I honor Him & keep his commandments as best I can, & repent when I sin, then I believes He knows my heart. And I personally don't care what any other person has to say about it.

W| 12.7.11 @ 10:46AM

ConChef.
Well said. No rational person can disagree with you.

Margie| 12.7.11 @ 6:52PM

There is only one way to God: through Christ.
If Ken were a Christian, he'd be telling you that! as that is the Gospel of Jesus Christ~ but he is too busy trying to destroy another human being. (o his own detriment!).

You said above that you reject Him, that is, Christ.
if that is the case I as a Christian am here to tell you, as God has commanded me to do~ that you cannot enter the Kingdom of God.

"He who has the Son has life; he who has not the Son of God has not life." 1 Hn. 5:12.

The lying Papists here will kiss your butt and say that's fine: but they are not Christian, and that is why. They will not speak the truth to you, but instead will tell you what you want to hear.

That is not love, it is deceit.

And they cannot tell you this because they themselves have believed a false Gospel, one in which Christ is not Lord, but the Pope is Lord.

and, if you do not care what any other person has to say, then why did you ask, and why do you then voice your own opinion, yet do not really want to hear mine?

"A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion." Prov. 18:12.

I hope you repent (have a change of mind) towards the only begotten Son from the Father.
He IS LORD, whether you or anyone else likes it, and there are no excuses that can be made for rejecting Him.

Prophecy about Jesus Christ, the Saviour of Mankind:

"Who has believed what we have heard? And to whom has the Arm of the LORD been revealed?

For He grew up before Him like a young plant, and like a root out of dry ground; He had no form or comeliness that we should look at Him, and no beauty that we should desire Him.

He was despised and rejected by men; a Man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief; and as one from whom men hide their faces He was despised, and we esteemed Him not.

Surely He has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed Him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted.

But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; upon Him was the chastisement that made us whole, and with His stripes we are healed.

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.

He was oppressed, and He was afflicted, yet He opened not His Mouth; like a Lamb that is led to the slaughter, and like a sheep that before its shearers is dumb, so He opened not His mouth.

By oppression and judgment He was taken away; and as for His generation, who considered that He was cut off out of the land of the living, stricken for the transgression of My people?

And they made His grave with the wicked and with a rich man in His death, although He had done no violence, and there was no deceit in His Mouth.

Yet it was the will of the LORD to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief; when He makes Himself an offering for Sin, He shall see His offspring, He shall prolong His days; the will of the LORD shall prosper in His Hand;
He shall see the fruit of the travail of His Soul and be satisfied; by His Knowledge shall the Righteous One, My Servant, make many to be accounted righteous; and He shall bear their iniquities.

Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, and He shall divide the spoil with the strong; because He poured out His Soul to death, and was numbered with the transgressors; yet He bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors." Is. 53:1-12.

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Con Chef (NB) | 12.7.11 @ 7:18PM

Save it. I don't care about your opinions on my relationship with G*d. You sure as SHIT aren't him, therefore, I'm not answerable to you.

See, I tried being nice, but now you're just jamming your religion down my throat. And that I don't need. I already have one. I'm serious, Margie. Leave me the hell alone on this subject. Its not your f-ing business. As I said, you wanna talk politics, fine. But I don't come to Am Spec to be converted anymore than I come to see the insipid droolings of Jew haters like Clint & Jack. Back off, sister.

W| 12.7.11 @ 8:37PM

As I said, ConChef, no rational person would disagree with you.

Margie| 12.7.11 @ 4:16AM

If you're a Christian, you cannot respect false teachings unless you want to be a sell-out.

And God doesn't call Christians to "respect" anything except for His Truth.

And He also expects Christians to speak the truth to one another and not take part in another man's SIN when you see it happening.

Ken the Reprobate has openly accused me of SIN~ claiming originally that he had the e mails to "prove" it.

He has not posted them though I asked him to may times.

He is CLEARLY LYING.

There is NOTHING to respect about this man.
And Christians should be calling him to ACCOUNT.
Cowards.

Nick| 12.7.11 @ 1:20AM

Con Chef (NB),

"[...] who regularly cites past & present Popes (the only one of whom that was worth a damn was the LAST one, BTW) [...]."

Why do you continue to disparage the many fine popes from the past centuries? Do know anything about them?
This is the second time you have done this, in as many days.

Margie| 12.7.11 @ 4:03AM

Popes are meaningless.
Christ is ALL.

Con Chef (NB) | 12.7.11 @ 9:19AM

Maybe I should've quantified that with "recent" Popes. I don't particularly care for the current one. And I wasn't around for John Paul's predecessor & his rather suspicious sounding end. I know that not all the Popes were the Borgias. I know that, as I said, the days of Torquemada have long since passed. Jack also cites the doctrines of Just War & his belief in the Pope & Church to add to his posts. Yet he then calls supporters of Israel "Israel Firsters" & calls for the "end of the Zionist entity." All I was doing was turning his argument around on him. Nothing more.

Nick| 12.7.11 @ 5:21PM

Con Chef (NB),

I completely understand your need to stick-it to Jack-boot from Wi. I, also, have been called an "Israel Firster" because I stand-up for Israel's right to defend herself. Please, do not take Jack-boot's rantings as authentic Catholic teaching, they are not.

Also, please read some of Pope Benedict's writings, you might be surprised! All the popes of the twentieth century have been excellent, in my opinion.
G-d Bless!

Margie| 12.7.11 @ 6:58PM

Do not read the fraudulent Pope's words, but instead read the Words of God, and of Jesus Christ Himself~ the ONY Way to God.

"Jesus said to him, "I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father, but by Me." Jn. 14:6.

When Jesus, Whom the Catholics say they believe is God., (yet they do not believe His Gospel), says that NO ONE comes to the Father but by Him.. He means it!

Con Chef (NB) | 12.7.11 @ 7:21PM

There are only a few frauds on this site. Three, by my count. It was only 2 until last night's & today's exchange with you.

Who needs the USMC to guard Heaven's streets? G*d has Margie.

W| 12.7.11 @ 10:49AM

Nick,
Do you read any of the books by Loren Estelman about a Detroit detective, "Amos Walker?" Full of the Detroit landscape and history. He writes about Detroit in "Motown" and "Edsel"

Nick| 12.7.11 @ 5:33PM

W,

No, I have not. I don't get to read much fiction, I'm afraid. The last novel I read was Tom Clancy's last book. And, that was first novel I read in a couple of years!

Thanks for the heads-up, though. I'll keep Mr. Estelman on my radar. From looking at his website, he sounds a little like Elmore Leonard.
God Bless!

W| 12.7.11 @ 8:39PM

Nick,
Estelman is more conservative than Leonard, but just as good. I like both for the Detroit ambience!
What books on religion do you like?

Nick| 12.8.11 @ 12:13AM

W,

Anything by Dr. Scott Hahn, Jeff Cavins, Patrick Madrid, and Bishop Fulton Sheen, to name just a few.

Right now, I'm really into learning about Judaism and Temple worship, as Christ practiced it, in the first century A.D. This has really opened up the New Testament Scriptures for me.

If you are as lazy as I am, and like audio/video, you can do no better than to get a copy of Our Father's Plan, with Jeff Cavins and Scott Hahn. It takes you through the 14 historical books of the Bible, so, that it reads like a novel. It's full of theology and shows where the other books fit into the story.

After that, you should get Scott Hahn's audio series on the Book of Revelation, The End. I first listened to it almost 4 years ago, and have listened to it several more times since then. After you understand how the books of the Bible are really structured, this series illuminates what was going on the whole time.

It was these tapes that got me into learning what Temple worship was really like during the time of Christ. There are so many allusions to the Temple rituals in the Gospels, and I would just blow right past them, because I had no idea what was being said.

I also read two blogs regularly, Shameless Popery and Canterbury Tales. WARNING!!! They are addictive. Here are the links:

http://catholicdefense.blogspo.....emple.html

http://cantuar.blogspot.com/

God Bless!

W| 12.8.11 @ 7:16AM

Nick,
Thanks. I will check the sites and books. I received as a gift Scott Hahn's "Rome Sweet Home" and finished it quickly. Amazing story. Will get his other books.
He attended Grove City college in Pa which has an excellent reputation for academics.
thanks again.

Nick| 12.8.11 @ 7:42PM

W,

You are very welcome.
Yes, I couldn't put down Rome Sweet Home when I started it, either. If you liked it, you will love A Father Who Keeps His Promises and The Lambs Supper. Both are excellent.

Oh, and watch his shows on EWTN. He is great at making the complex easy to understand.
God Bless!

martin j smith| 12.6.11 @ 4:37PM

The Elites in the Republican establishment are making a big mistake this year and it will haunt them and it could destroy this country if it does not stop.

Margie| 12.6.11 @ 4:56PM

ConChef:

No, the days of torquemada are not over.. in spirit and in truth. Physically, maybe. but only because they can no longer get away with it, and that is the ONLY reason.
Just ask the Papist Trolls here if they could~ would they like to take me out?
The Catholic Religion has NOT repented of the same false teachings that led them to torture and kill Bible believing Christians for six centuries.

As you have witnessed from these very pages, they hate with perfect hatred any Christian who points out the false and unbiblical doctrines of their cult.

And it is indeed a cult. One that puts forth an Idolotrous Pope whom they worship as if he were Christ, and in fact calling him a vicar of Christ on earth. It is an utterly false and reprehensible Religion, that has NOTHING to do with the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

It is based on works and NOT on Grace~ and that by the Devlish teaching that any grace comes through the 'Church." As long as you follow its false and demonic teachings, that is~ or else you're a flaming heretic!

THAT has not changed.

Now: That is the truth. As to whether someone calls themselves a Catholic, it matters not for God looks at the heart and He knows His Own and not one of them is lost or can be snatched out of His Hand.

But when it comes to the doctrines and false teachings~ if anyone is going to present this as the Gospel it is my duty and honor to expose the FACTS that the doctrines of Catholicism are false and unbiblical.

Now, the Papists here can't stand that, so they will try and destroy me personally. If you are going to put a man's teachings before Christ's that makes you an Idolator.

Sorry, it's the truth and I'll continue speaking it. It's an open forum where Catholicism is worshipped here and articles are written frequently on it, and until the Catholic Papists can arrange to shut the mouths of Bible believing Christians by removing our ability to speak the truth, heh, they cannot do it by death anymore, not in America, you are right, but they can try by other means~ by means of lies and utter and despicable slandering.

Apparently, Ken has sold his soul to the highest bidder, he welcomes them into his home, defends Darwinism like a "good Catholic", swears using God's Name claiming He has a "deal" with God, drinks hard alcohol, states that God made Homosexuals, and so he doesn't LIKE what I have to say.

He has sent me e mails threatening me and saying I am TOAST here. Is that what a Christian does? No, but it IS what a sell-out and a Reprobate does.
AND NOW you have seen exactly HOW he has tried to make me "TOAST."

Catholicism is a great hide out, lie any other cult is. You get to sin and yet wait your turn in Purgatory and then everybody gets to end up in Heaven. Well, there is no such thing, but the Papacy has tried to make it so!

Now~ do you want souls to go on believing such lies? I don't so I speak the truth.

My family are Catholics too. Big deal. It means nothing. Catholicism doesn't save anyone~ only Christ does, and as you said, one's Faith in Him.
My Parents know I reject it, and they have heard the biblical truth about how to be saved~ according to the Scriptures, according to the WORD of GOD and not he word of the Pope, which is filled with deceit.

My Father looks at me marveling when I explain to him the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. The one in which none of the requirements that the heavy yoke of false Religion puts upon him in the form of Catholicism are necessary for him to perform. The one in which Jesus is Lord and Saviour, and all he must do is ask Him to save Him and forgive him of his sins, and He will!

He has done that, and yet he somehow still thinks he "isn't good enough" for God. Years (80) of being under the harsh taskmaster of a false Religion has made him that way. But Jesus has forgiven him, because he has asked Him to, and my calling as a Bible believing Christian is to remind him whenever I am able, that he is saved by Grace. That His Mercies are new every morning, and GREAT is His Faithfulness. (Lam. 3).

That's all I have to say on the matter.. for now.
And no way do I think you're being a jerk.
I'll be in touch!

Papist Dan| 12.6.11 @ 5:07PM

ConChef,
I told you she is crazy.

Papist Dan| 12.6.11 @ 5:10PM

Keep posting, Mullah. You are convincing everyone what a screwball you are.
Get help, a shrink.

Con Chef (NB) | 12.6.11 @ 8:06PM

Ms. Margie:

With all due respect, ma'am, I've never noticed the Protestant vs Catholic theme here, except when you post your pieces on your feelings about Catholicism. And I'd hope that Am Spec didn't turn into Belfast (snark, snark).

I don't presueme to know who's path to G*d is the correct one. If you're a truly good person, no matter what your faith, you will be right with G*d. And again, this includes Muslims, like the one I mentioned previously, who supported Israel & had a Star of David carved on his back for it. And then there was the village/tribe who gave shelter to, treated defended & eventually allowed for the escape of Navy SEAL, Marcus Luttrell, author of "Lone Survivor."

And to claim that you can explain "the true Gospel of Jesus Christ," would be a little presumptuous in the eyes of G*d, don't you think.

Oh, & if drinking, swearing like the son of a sailor & burnt out chef I am are ticketed to the hot place, I guess I'm screwed. I guess I'm also screwed since My wife & I have been together for 10 years. We were living together for 6 years before we had enough dough to have the wedding we wanted and get married. Somehow, I don't think that G*d was angry with us for that.

I respect you political views, Ms. Margie. I guess I just go past your posts that contain all the anti Catholic stuff. And if I see the Protestant bashing, I'll address it the same way. Again, WHO CARES BY WHAT NAME SOMEONE CALLS G*D OR HOW THEY PRAISE HIM? G*d knows who the frauds are. Leave it at that. I'm just fine in that knowledge, myself.

MikeG| 12.6.11 @ 10:06PM

CC
Could you "go past" Margie's posts if it contained "anti semitic stuff " instead of " anti Catholic stuff" and respect her political views?

Con Chef (NB) | 12.6.11 @ 10:16PM

Considering that the only people on this site who regularly bash Jews are libertarians & Ron Paul supporters, no. And if you've noticed, I like to mess with Clint because its just too fun to get someone to tell you they're gonna "kick your ass" over the internet. I also take issue with people who call Israel a "criminal state" & other such dreck. Jack himself has called for an "end to the Zionist entity."

Again, these are libertarians. NOT conservatives. And I have YET to hear from ONE conservative, here, or on Townhall.com, where I'm a regular, the amount of anti Semitic bile as I've heard from leftists & MOST, though not all, libertarians/Ron Paul die hards.

MikeG| 12.7.11 @ 7:23AM

CC
Agree with you about Clint and Jack but I don't believe they are either libertarians or conservatives. True libertarians and conservatives are open minded, tolerant, and respectful of others. Of course this describes all decent humans regardless of political views. Margie, Clint, and Jack are just bigots, and not very smart either.

Con Chef (NB) | 12.7.11 @ 9:31AM

As I can now see.

Margie| 12.7.11 @ 6:59PM

Liar.

Margie| 12.7.11 @ 3:30AM

You cannot call yourself a Christian and not be anti-Catholic.
And that's a fact that you cannot bear, because there in no truth in you.

See 1 Jn. 2 below.

Repent, and believe the Gospel of God.

Papist Dan| 12.7.11 @ 8:22AM

Bigot Margie,
You are not a Christian. You are a stupid bigot.
You can call yourself a Christian but that doesn't make you a Christian.

Zak Klemmer| 12.7.11 @ 12:03PM

Some of my best friends and Catholic, Mormon and Jewish. Dear Margie this is a political forum, remember to err is human and to forgive is divine.

RCV| 12.7.11 @ 2:44PM

You cannot call yourself a Christian and not believe that Jesus is God, of one being with the Father.

Margie| 12.7.11 @ 7:00PM

Liar. I have never said Jesus is not God, I said Jesus never made Himself equal to God.
Stuff it, scumbag.

RCV| 12.7.11 @ 7:10PM

If you believe Jesus is God, how can He not be "equal to God"? Either you believe that Jesus is God, but not equal to nor one with the Father -- in which case you are a polygamist. Or, you are a monotheist, but believe Jesus is lesser than the Father and not God. In either case, you are surely not a Christian in any sense of the word. John Bunyan forcefully so wrote in his "On the Trinity and a Christian."

Which is it, Margie?

RCV| 12.7.11 @ 11:13PM

That's polytheist, not polygamist.

Papist Dan| 12.7.11 @ 7:14PM

Ok, Margie, Is Jesus God?

Nick| 12.7.11 @ 11:46PM

Margie,

"[...] I said Jesus never made Himself equal to God."

And, I showed you two different Scriptures where He did make Himself equal to God.

"The Jews therefore said to him: You are not yet fifty years old. And you have seen Abraham? Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham was made, I AM. They took up stones therefore to cast at him. But Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple." John 8:57-59

"But he was silent and made no answer. Again the high priest asked him, 'Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?' And Jesus said, 'I am; and you will see the Son of man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.' And the high priest tore his garments, and said, 'Why do we still need witnesses? You have heard his blasphemy. What is your decision'" And they all condemned him as deserving death." - Mark 14:61-64

I also have shown you, several times, that when you say that "Jesus is LORD," you are saying that Jesus is God. And, Mary is His mother.

Why don't you believe the Sacred Scriptures?
God Bless!

Margie| 12.7.11 @ 3:46AM

ConChef:

You don't know Christ yet, so you know not of what you speak.
First of all, I am not a "Protestant". I'm a Christian saved by Grace, and my fellowship is in Christ and with other Christians, who, according to the Scripture make up the Church.

Church has nothing to do with a physical building.
That is a biblical fact, and Christians LIVE by the Bible, not the false teachings of Catholicism, as I explained to you. You reject that fact, but I pray God opens your eyes to His Truth, as written in His Word, which is there for ALL men to read. And it isn't hard to understand, and if you think it is, you've been lied to by Religious Bigots.

Secondly, it is not "presumptuous" for me or any other Christian to explain the Gospel, since it is already written in the Bible, and Christians are actually commanded by God to preach it!

You asked me some questions which I honestly answered, but you obviously weren't truly interested in the answers and are proceeding to treat me like Ken does, the lying Reprobate.

You've never seen any discussions about this issue until I bring them up? That is utterly disingenuous, and obviously false. Unless you truly never read here.

And I actually said in answer to you that calling oneself Catholic means nothing~ that what matters is your faith in Him~ which is actually in agreement with what YOU said, but hey~ I guess it's just the cool thing to do to kick me around, eh?

Get real, kiddo. Get honest, because you're not.
Perhaps you will see fit to actually READ my post instead of trashing me.
Anyhow`~ it's Jesus you're going to have to stand before, no matter WHAT you call yourself~ as I said.
Religion means nothing~ Jesus IS everything.
And HE says that unless you repent and believe IN HIM, you cannot be saved.
And THAT'S the real issue.

"Jesus answered and said to him, Truly,
truly, I say to you, If one is not generated
from above, he is not able to see the kingdom
of God." Jn. 3:3.

Have YOU been generated from above yet? Do you even know what that means and do you care to find out? The Catholics won't be able to tell you, as they preach a different Gospel, and not that of Jesus Christ.

So, you see, it IS extremely important what you believe, and what you reject~ your Salvation depends on it.

Con Chef (NB) | 12.7.11 @ 9:22AM

I don't need you to tell me how to be saved. I have a Bible. Its called the Torah.

Margie| 12.7.11 @ 7:00PM

Then why did you address me, punk?

Con Chef (NB) | 12.7.11 @ 7:22PM

I addressed you to find out where you were coming from, not for a damned religious conversion, haint.

Margie| 12.8.11 @ 6:00PM

Well, I'm a Christian, so that's where I'm coming from.
Now, unless you repent, you are going to Hell. The liars and Papists (redundant) here will keep lying to you, but I will tell you God's Truth:

"Truly, truly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the Voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.

For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son also to have life in Himself,
and has given Him authority to execute Judgment, because he is the Son of man.

Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear His Voice and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of Life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of Judgment." Jn. 5:25-29.

Do you want to be in the Resurrection of Life?
It is only through Christ, the One whom you reject.

MikeG| 12.7.11 @ 8:44PM

"Christ has nothing to do with a physical building."

This is Margie's way of saying nobody wants to be in the same physical building with her.

Con Chef (NB) | 12.7.11 @ 9:08PM

Well played!

Margie| 12.8.11 @ 5:51PM

"For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom He will.

The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son, even as they honor the Father.

He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him." Jn. 5:21-23.

Repent, Chef, or you will perish, along with the other mockers and liars!

MikeG| 12.6.11 @ 10:03PM

Wow. Ken "welcomes (Catholics) into his home."
Imagine that.

Margie| 12.7.11 @ 3:28AM

"Watch yourselves, that we may not lose
the things we worked out, but that we may
receive a full reward.
Everyone transgressing and not abiding
in the doctrine of Christ does not have God.
The one abiding in the doctrine of Christ,
this one has the Father and the Son.
10 ¶ If anyone comes to you and does not
bear this doctrine, do not receive him into
the house, and do not speak a greeting to
him.
For the one speaking a greeting shares
in his evil works." 2 Jn. 1:8-11.

RCV| 12.7.11 @ 5:06PM

So I guess you wouldn't allow Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum or Clarence Thomas into your house or speak a greeting to them? If so, you really are a piece of work, Margie.

Margie| 12.7.11 @ 7:04PM

I wouldn't drink alcohol with them, I wouldn't be in agreement with Catholic doctrine, and I would never call them friends, for no one who rejects the Gospel of Jesus Christ is a friend of His.

And God is the One Who said not to greet them, so you are then calling God a piece of work?

You have no conscience, lying Papist~ for you call God a liar. You also are in rebellion against Him as you proclaim as truth that Homosexuality isn't Sin.

And now you will preach to me, and the very WORD of God that has said anyone who greets a man who preaches a different Gospel shares his wicked work?

Hypocrite.

Papist Dan| 12.7.11 @ 7:18PM

Bigot Margie,
Does this mean you don't allow your Catholic mother and Catholic father to your house? And God instructed you to not greet you mother and father because they are Catholic?

Margie| 12.8.11 @ 2:38PM

What it means for YOU, liar, is that you had better repent and quit being a Papist.

"But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of stress.

For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, inhuman, implacable, slanderers, profligates, fierce, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding the form of religion but denying the power of it. Avoid such people.

For among them are those who make their way into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and swayed by various impulses, who will listen to anybody and can never arrive at a knowledge of the truth." 2 Tim. 3:1-7.

RCV| 12.7.11 @ 7:18PM

You don't have to drink alcohol with everyone you invite into your house. Nor do you have to agree with people's theological views to be friends with them.

And God didn't say the words you wrote, Margie, nor can I imagine God ever approving of them. (The word you quote were written well after Christis death by an unknown author, who most biblical scholars believe was from one of the churches in Asia Minor.)

Jesus sought out, and welcomed, and ate with Non-Jews, prostitutes, tax collectors and a whole host of unsavoury types. But you must be "better" than Him. It's very sad that you cannot form friendships with people who disagree with you theologically or politically. It is little wonder that you are such an angry, hostile person who turns upon anyone who doesn't concur with every single thing you say. You really do need to seek professional counseling, Margie, so you can be a happier person, at peace with yourself and others.

RCV| 12.7.11 @ 7:20PM

Sorry for the poor proofreading: "The words you wrote were written well after Christ's death ...".

Margie| 12.8.11 @ 2:20PM

"And God didn't say the words you wrote, Margie, nor can I imagine God ever approving of them."

You and your lying Pope Idolator pals commonly reject the Scriptures.

You and they are disgusting.

I repeat the OWRD of GOD, written by the Apostle John:

"Watch yourselves, that we may not lose
the things we worked out, but that we may
receive a full reward.
Everyone transgressing and not abiding
in the doctrine of Christ does not have God.
The one abiding in the doctrine of Christ,
this one has the Father and the Son.
10 ¶ If anyone comes to you and does not
bear this doctrine, do not receive him into
the house, and do not speak a greeting to
him.
For the one speaking a greeting shares
in his evil works." 2 Jn. 1:8-11.

I also quote His Words concerning drinking alcohol:

"Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler; and whoever is led astray by it is not wise." Prov. 20:1.

"Woe to those who rise early in the morning, that they may run after strong drink, who tarry late into the evening till wine inflames them!" Is. 5:11.

"Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine, and valiant men in mixing strong drink,
who acquit the guilty for a bribe, and deprive the innocent of his right!
Therefore, as the tongue of fire devours the stubble, and as dry grass sinks down in the flame, so their root will be as rottenness, and their blossom go up like dust; for they have rejected the law of the LORD of hosts, and have despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.Is. 5:22-24.

(Are you listening, Ken?)

""Come," they say, "let us get wine, let us fill ourselves with strong drink; and tomorrow will be like this day, great beyond measure." Is. 56:12.

"If a man should go about and utter wind and lies, saying, "I will preach to you of wine and strong drink," he would be the preacher for this people!" Mic. 2:11.

"These also reel with wine and stagger with strong drink; the priest and the prophet reel with strong drink, they are confused with wine, they stagger with strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in giving judgment." Is.28:7.

THE GOD OF THE OLD TESTAMENT IS THE SAAME GOD OF THE NEW COVENANT AS WELL:

THE LORD, speaking of John the Baptist:

"But the angel said to him, "Do not be afraid, Zechari'ah, for your prayer is heard, and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you shall call his name John.
And you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth; for he will be great before the Lord, and he shall drink no wine nor strong drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.

And he will turn many of the sons of Israel to the Lord their God, and he will go before him in the spirit and power of Eli'jah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready for the Lord a people prepared." Luke 1:13-17.

"And I will say to my soul, Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; take your ease, eat, drink, be merry.'
But God said to him, 'Fool! This night your soul is required of you; and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?'
So is he who lays up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God." Lk. 12:19-21.

"Do not be idolaters as some of them were; as it is written, "The people sat down to eat and drink and rose up to dance."
We must not indulge in immorality as some of them did, and twenty-three thousand fell in a single day.
We must not put the Lord to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents; nor grumble, as some of them did and were destroyed by the Destroyer.

Now these things happened to them as a warning, but they were written down for our instruction, upon whom the end of the ages has come.

Therefore let any one who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall.

No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your strength, but with the temptation will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.

Therefore, my beloved, shun the worship of idols." 1 Cor. 10:7-14.

"Bid the older women likewise to be reverent in behavior, not to be slanderers or slaves to drink; they are to teach what is good,
and so train the young women to love their husbands and children,
to be sensible, chaste, domestic, kind, and submissive to their husbands, that the word of God may not be discredited." Titus 2:3-5.

"..let us conduct ourselves becomingly as in the day, not in reveling and drunkenness, not in debauchery and licentiousness, not in quarreling and jealousy." Rom. 13:13.

.."And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery; but be filled with the Spirit.." Eph. 5:16.

RCV| 12.8.11 @ 2:54PM

I happen not to drink at all, Margie, so I'm not sure why you're preaching to me.

RCV| 12.7.11 @ 7:37PM

And Margie, why would you want the leader of your country to be a follower of the AntiChrist, a follower of the Devil's handmaiden, as you so eloquently called the Catholic Church? Do you think God would want you to support them when you believe he doesn't even want you to invite them into your house, or greet them, or befriend them?

Margie| 12.8.11 @ 1:45PM

"Devil's handmaiden, as you so eloquently called the Catholic Church?"
I never said those words, liar.

Repent, liar:

"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death." Rev. 21:8.

Margie| 12.8.11 @ 2:34PM

I do not "wish" for anyone to believe lies, therefore I wish for no one to follow a false Religion.

As I have said before, but you always conveniently ignore and continue ONLY in trying to twist my words (that is what following a lie does to you)~ I do not care if a man who is Catholic becomes President, since this is not a Theocracy!

If it were, and he would rule like a Pope, and require that everyone's heads be cut off unless they convert to Catholicism (which is actually what the disgusting murderous Papists did for six centuries to Christians who had the GALL to reject the false teachings of this CULT)~ then I wouldn't vote for him!

LOL. So, you just got your explanation again, with which you will in your lawyerly Leftist, Idolatrous Pope worshipping manner, attempt to pervert for the umpteenth time.

Have at it!

Also, to clarify for anyone who cares: No, I would not allow them into my house.. except for one reason. I would not allow them to speak of their agendas. It would be to speak to them of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, from the Bible, not my own words. I would not drink alcohol with them, for as the Bible says, it is debauchery.

Nor could I possibly call them "friend". For as it is written:

"What fellowship has Light with Darkness?" 2 Cor. 6:14.

Got it?

RCV| 12.8.11 @ 2:57PM

I'm quite confident that there are not a lot of people clamoring to get into your house, Margie.

I don't drink, Margie. But Jesus drank wine with His friends. But then again, he had a different attitude toward people than you -- called love.

Margie| 12.8.11 @ 5:47PM

"But I know that you have not the love of God within you.: Jn. 5:42.

Liars have not the love of God in them. You're a liar and a deceiver. You ask me questions and I attempt to answer them, then like the true snake that you are, you twist my words and meanings.

"I have come in My Father's Name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive." Jn. 5:43.

You readily accept the words of liars, of Popes and cults who say that the Bible is not the inerrant Words of God!

Hypocrite! You no nothing about love.

"Jesus answered him, "If a man loves Me, he will keep My Word, and my Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our Home with him." Jn. 14:23.

You cannot attempt to say that you keep His Word when you say that Homosexuality isn't Sin, that drinking is OK, when I posted God's Own Words on the matter.

And yet you will presume to judge me, one who does?

Hypocrite!

RCV| 12.6.11 @ 11:10PM

Margie, if anyone here has false and non-Christian theological views, it is surely you, who rejects the Trinity and does not acknowledge Jesus as God. I personally don't care what you choose to believe, and for all I know what you believe might actually prove true (though I doubt it), but it is contrary to all orthodox Christian and biblical belief. As John Bunyan, as careful a Biblically based Christian as anyone, and someone whose views you purport to respect, has written, to not accept the Trinity and acknowledge that Jesus is God, of one substance withe the Father, is to either embrace Polytheism or to reject Christ's divinity. Either way, it's a rejection of Christianity in it's most basic essence.

Many other faiths, including Islam and Bahaiism, honor and respect Jesus as a God-sent prophet or Lord, but to be a Christian, you honor him as God. The Apostle John's Gospel is testament to that truth.

Nick| 12.7.11 @ 1:14AM

RCV,

Margie believes that "Jesus was the Beginning of God's Creation," and, therefore, that He was/is? a creature. She comes to this wrong conclusion by horribly wrenching Rev. 3:4 out of context.

Margie| 12.7.11 @ 3:26AM

Don't speak for me, Papist liars.
The Word of God is what I stand on, whilst your lying Reprobate selves cling to the sick teachings of your cult.

Repent, and believe the Gospel of God, lest you too likewise perish.
you've been warned.

"And to the Angel of the church in La-odice'a write: 'The Words of the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of God's Creation,

"'I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were cold or hot!

So, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of My Mouth.

For you say, I am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing; not knowing that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked." Rev. 3:14-17.

Repent. liars!
Jesus Christ is LORD. He is the ONLY Mediator between God and Man.
Not the Pope, and not Mary, who s dead, and can help no one, for there is Salvation only in His Name:

"And there is Salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under Heaven given among men by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12.

"He has delivered us from the dominion of darkness and transferred us to the Kingdom of His beloved Son, in Whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

He is the Image of the Invisible God, the first-born of all Creation; for in Him all things were created, in Heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or authorities--all things were created through Him and for Him.

He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

He is the head of the Body, the Church; he is the Beginning, the first-born from the dead, that in everything He might be pre-eminent.

For in Him all the fulness of God was pleased to dwell, and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether on earth or in Heaven, making peace by the blood of His Cross." Col. 1:13-20.

RCV| 12.7.11 @ 2:09PM

Margie, if "all the fullness of God dwelt in Him" and He "is the beginning", how could he not be God, as John notes in his Gospel? Do you even think about the words you quote?

Margie| 12.7.11 @ 7:09PM

I never said He wasn't, you deceitful lying Papist.
YOU and your ilk have tried to twist my words~but God knows what I believe, and it is the Scriptures.
You hypocrite!
For YOU have said that you do not consider the Words in the Bible to be inerrant.
YOU have also said that Homosexuality is not SIN.
YOU are in utter Rebellion toward God and YOU will preach at ME and tell me what I DO or DO NOT believe?
And once again, it is your filthy lying ilk who perverts His Words~ you worship Man and not God.
Repent, lying fool.

RCV| 12.7.11 @ 7:22PM

I've asked you to clarify what you believe: Are you a polytheist who believes there is more than one God? If not, then you must believe that Jesus and the Father are one. Which is it Margie? Tell us and then you won't have to accuse us of putting words in your mouth.

Margie| 12.8.11 @ 1:43PM

"For they do not speak peace, but against those who are quiet in the land they conceive words of deceit.

They open wide their mouths against me; they say, "Aha, Aha! our eyes have seen it!"

Thou hast seen, O LORD; be not silent! O Lord, be not far from me!

Bestir Thyself, and awake for my right, for my cause, my God and my Lord!

Vindicate me, O LORD, my God, according to Thy righteousness; and let them not rejoice over me!

Psa 35:25 Let them not say to themselves, "Aha, we have our heart's desire!" Let them not say, "We have swallowed him up."

Let them be put to shame and confusion altogether who rejoice at my calamity! Let them be clothed with shame and dishonor who magnify themselves against me!

Let those who desire my vindication shout for joy and be glad, and say evermore, "Great is the LORD, who delights in the welfare of his servant!"

Then my tongue shall tell of thy righteousness and of Thy praise all the day long." Ps. 35:20-28.

Praise His Holy Name.

RCV| 12.8.11 @ 2:58PM

Once again, refusing to answer and trying to deceive others as to her real beliefs. What a hypocrite.

Margie| 12.8.11 @ 5:34PM

I answered you ad infinitum, according to the Scriptures.
YOU just don't like that.

Deceitful, lying accuser of the Brethren::

"He thinks in his heart, "God has forgotten, He has hidden his face, He will never see it."

Arise, O LORD; O God, lift up Thy Hand; forget not the afflicted.

Why does the wicked renounce God, and say in his heart, "Thou wilt not call to account"?" Ps. 10:11-13.

Nick| 12.7.11 @ 6:14PM

Margie,

I know that you and Victor sometimes have difficulties understanding how English words are translated from the Greek, in the New Testament. But, I have explained this to you, not too long ago.

When the word LORD is written in small capital letters in the Bible, it is translating the Greek Kyrios, which is a translation of the Hebrew word Adonai. The Israelites started the practice of saying Adonai whenever they came upon the name of God, i.e., Y-WH.

So, when you write that "Jesus Christ is LORD," or, more acurately, in the Greek, it would be, "Iesus Christi ho Kyrios," Jesus Christ the LORD, you are saying that Christ is God. Not a creature.

I think the Apostle Thomas said it best, when he put his fingers into the wound in the side of the Risen Christ:

"Thomas answered him, 'My Lord and my God!'" - John 20:28
Literally, "the LORD [Kyrios] of me and the God [Theos] of me."
Thomas, really, ends all arguments to the contrary.
God Bless!

p.s. Did Victor ever figure out that the English priest came from the Greek presbuteros, from that other thread? You both stopped responding. As usual.

Margie| 12.7.11 @ 7:14PM

You condescending punk:

I have no difficulty understanding what I need to understand, and that is this:
That you are a deceitful liar, who is a Religious Idolator, who has no right or authority over me, as you believe an entirely false Gospel and seek to pervert the WORD of God.

Jesus is LORD, not the Pope~ the Pope is a living walking FRAUD who needs to repent of being the POPE!

Every living true Christian knows this, but they are too cowardly to come forth and say it.

"For whoever is ashamed of Me and of My Words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him will the Son of Man also be ashamed, when He comes in the Glory of His Father with the Holy Angels." Mk. 8:38.

RCV| 12.7.11 @ 7:24PM

Margie, I'm not a Roman Catholic, but I've never met a Catholic who believes that the Pope is LORD.

Nick| 12.7.11 @ 11:33PM

Margie,

As usual, you don't address anything that I have written.

Also, I forgot to correct your other mistake. I wasn't speaking for you. Did you miss the quotation marks? I was quoting you, word for word.

I inferred, from your quotation of Rev. 3:14, that you believe that Jesus was/is? the first creation. Am I wrong to infer this?

Please answer in simple declarative sentences.
God Bless!

Margie| 12.8.11 @ 1:40PM

"Blessed is the man to whom the LORD imputes no iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no deceit.

When I declared not my sin, my body wasted away through my groaning all day long.

For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me; my strength was dried up as by the heat of summer.

I acknowledged my sin to thee, and I did not hide my iniquity; I said, "I will confess my transgressions to the LORD"; then thou didst forgive the guilt of my sin.

Therefore let every one who is godly offer prayer to Thee; at a time of distress, in the rush of great waters, they shall not reach him.

Thou art a hiding place for me, Thou preservest me from trouble; Thou dost encompass me with deliverance.

I will instruct you and teach you the way you should go; I will counsel you with My Eye upon you." Ps. 32:2-8.

Praise His Holy Name.

Nick| 12.8.11 @ 7:24PM

Margie,

That was not a simple declarative sentence, now was it?

You may think that is an answer, but, it is only in your mind.
God Bless!

Papist Dan| 12.7.11 @ 8:20AM

Nick,
You,RCV, ConChef, and others are trying to ascribe rational thought to Margie's rants. It is well beyond that. She has been posting her crazy bigoted opinions for at least a year. Just accept she is a bigot, and like all bigots: stupid, intolerant, and to be shunned.

Nick| 12.7.11 @ 5:37PM

Dan,

The only cure is prayer and sharing the Truth of the Gospel of Christ. With God, all things are possible.
God Bless!

Margie| 12.7.11 @ 7:14PM

Lying scum!

Nick| 12.7.11 @ 11:34PM

Merry Christmas, Margie and Victor.
Yours In Christ, Nick.

Margie| 12.8.11 @ 1:36PM

"Let him not trust in emptiness, deceiving himself; for emptiness will be his recompense.

It will be paid in full before his time, and his branch will not be green.

He will shake off his unripe grape, like the vine, and cast off his blossom, like the olive tree.

For the company of the godless is barren, and fire consumes the tents of bribery.

They conceive mischief and bring forth evil and their heart prepares deceit." Job 15:31-35.

RCV| 12.8.11 @ 2:59PM

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....................

Margie| 12.8.11 @ 5:30PM

"The eyes of the LORD are toward the righteous, and his ears toward their cry.

The face of the LORD is against evildoers, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.

When the righteous cry for help, the LORD hears, and delivers them out of all their troubles.

The LORD is near to the brokenhearted, and saves the crushed in spirit.

Many are the afflictions of the righteous; but the LORD delivers him out of them all.

He keeps all his bones; not one of them is broken.

Evil shall slay the wicked; and those who hate the righteous will be condemned.

The LORD redeems the life of his servants; none of those who take refuge in him will be condemned." Ps. 34:15-22.

MikeG| 12.8.11 @ 5:55PM

Are you now speaking tongues, is your head spinning, are you levitating Margie?

Margie| 12.8.11 @ 6:10PM

Troll:

"Upright men are appalled at this, and the innocent stirs himself up against the godless.

Yet the righteous holds to his way, and he that has clean hands grows stronger and stronger." Job 17:8 &9.

"Godless men utterly deride me, but I do not turn away from thy law.
When I think of Thy ordinances from of old, I take comfort, O LORD.
Hot indignation seizes me because of the wicked, who forsake Thy law.
Thy statutes have been my songs in the house of my pilgrimage.
I remember Thy Name in the night, O LORD, and keep Thy law.
This blessing has fallen to me, that I have kept Thy precepts.
The LORD is my portion; I promise to keep Thy Words.
I entreat Thy favor with all my heart; be gracious to me according to Thy promise.
When I think of Thy ways, I turn my feet to Thy testimonies; I hasten and do not delay to keep Thy Commandments.
Though the cords of the wicked ensnare me, I do not forget Thy law.
At midnight I rise to praise Thee, because of Thy righteous ordinances.
I am a companion of all who fear thee, of those who keep Thy precepts." Ps. 119:51-63.

RCV| 12.8.11 @ 8:07PM

Sorry, Margie, but quoting lengthy inapposite verses from Scripture is a poor substitute for thinking and expressing your answer in a clear declarative sentence, unless one is obfuscating.

MikeG| 12.8.11 @ 10:08PM

That sounds like a yes, Margie

Nick| 12.8.11 @ 7:28PM

Margie,

You should not be so hard on yourself. I don't think that passage from Job applies to you.

Mildred R Bean| 12.6.11 @ 5:16PM

Your point is?

Since the Liberals slandered Nixon
Cain and Gingrich arent womanizers?
or womanizing is acceptable?

BackToBasics| 12.6.11 @ 5:27PM

I am so fed up with the attacks on conservatives and Republicans by the left and by MSM brats who think they are so superior. I think a lot of others would say the same.

The list of those attacked is very long. Nixon is still mentioned by the MSM on the news every August when it is the anniversary of his resigning in 1974.

That's over 37 years ago. That would be the equivalent in 1974 of reminding people often about something that happened in 1937. In 1974, I never heard then current newscasts speak about politicians in 1937 as if they were still relevant the way they do about Nixon. Nixon wasn't even a conservative and they still cannot let it go.

Purpleguy| 12.6.11 @ 5:39PM

Why yes, just as JFK is mentioned in a positive light and he's been gone for over 50 years or FDR who's been gone over 60 years, also in a positive light. Now, the left also mentions Hoover, who's been gone for over 80 years, negative view of him of course - the Hoover of the gift of the Great Depression. Or Ronald Reagan, who began the runup of the National Debt and deregulation that led to the slide that GW Bush finished off with millions of jobless. And, you can be assured that Bush will be remembered for the Great Recession, or whatever historians call it far after he's gone. You see, people remember the Great events of history, events that shaped American History - for good OR for bad. Alas, that it is the conservatives that are held in a bad light is not the fault of the media, the American people, or the historians. Paraphrasing Herman Cain - If you are not perceived well by history Paraphrasing Herman Cain - "Blame Yo'self".

BackToBasics| 12.6.11 @ 6:14PM

I agree with your points up until you say that it is not the fault of the media.

They revel in the fact that they "took him down." If he had been a Democrat the cover-up for the Watergate break-in would have received almost no air-time, let alone be a major factor causing his resignation.

Purpleguy| 12.7.11 @ 12:14AM

correlation doesn't mean causation, no matter how much the press thinks they "took someone down". If there is nothing to uncover, there is not takedown, period. The media is good at sniffing out where there's smoke there's usually fire. It is their job to find it, not manufacture it (like some have done). Nevertheless, if you have nothing to hide, the media has nothing to magnify and trumpet.

BackToBasics| 12.7.11 @ 1:26AM

The point I made is that it is overdone with Nixon, see below also. You admit the double-standard of the media in your first reply and then back off of it.

It is not true that if you have nothing to hide, the media has nothing to magnify. Look at Calrence Thomas and Herman Cain, false allegations against both were trumpeted to the max.

BackToBasics| 12.6.11 @ 6:18PM

The tenor of my original point was also this, "current newscasts speak about politicians in 1937 as if they were still relevant the way they do about Nixon...."

It is sometimes still spoken almost as if it were a current, relevant event in order to convey republican unworthiness, unlike other major events we hear about.

BackToBasics| 12.6.11 @ 9:22PM

Left off the first part of the sentence, "I never heard...current newcasts...."

But I think you caught my meaning.

Nick| 12.7.11 @ 12:38AM

Only liberals see the Polio Prince in a good light. Conservatives know the truth about that old, crippled, commie sympathizer.

Like how he prolonged the Great Depression and gutted the military so bad that we could have easily been left alone to face the Axis powers.

tj| 12.7.11 @ 12:51PM

Must have been the journolister classes he took for Soreass. Trying so very hard to make others reading here they have something pertinent to say. We all see the light of truth and you buddy are not it! VOTE EM ALL OUT 2012 just got my new bumper sticker today! Yipppppeeeee...

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Jeff| 12.7.11 @ 6:17AM

Sometimes Mr. Lord write an excellent column. Like today.

Con Chef (NB) | 12.7.11 @ 9:29AM

You know, Ms. Margie, when I first came here almost 4 years ago, I really dug you. But the more of the anti Catholic stuff I saw, the less I responded to you. You DID have all the respect in the world from me because you never tried to convert me. In your posts to me last night/early this morning, you did. And I just don't cotton to that too well. I can agree with you on probably 99% of your politics. But please don't presume to tell me that YOUR way is the ONLY way. The only person who knows the ONLY way is not YOU, its HIM.

If you care to continue our discussions on politics, that's cool. If you continue to try & convert me, then just skip over my posts & I'll do you the same courtesy.

Respectfully,

David

Margie| 12.7.11 @ 7:19PM

Well kiddo~ you have rejected the Christ~and my loyalty is to Him, so I care not that you "lose respect" for me.

You have chosen which side you are on, and you are on the side of the Religious Idolators~ you have made your bed with them, now you will lie in it.

They supposedly believe in Christ, yet they lie and demean the LORD Jesus Christ with their hatred of me, who believes in the Gospel of Jesus Christ as it is written in the Bible.

You side with the Evil liars because it feels good to you to do so, but you will pay a great price for rejecting Him~ as you said you do with your own words.

They will coddle you and side with you but they are PURE Evil.

Con Chef (NB) | 12.7.11 @ 7:39PM

"You side with the Evil liars because it feels good to you to do so, but you will pay a great price for rejecting Him~ as you said you do with your own words."

I side with no one but myself, my wife & G*d. why the hell can't you just leave people who don't want to be converted alone? I AIN'T INTERESTED. I have a faith already. And without those like me, people like you would still be living in caves in the desert.

Funny, you're the only "conservative" I've ever had this disagreement with. No one else seems to give a damn about my religion here except you, Clint & Jack. What're y'all? Like some kind of package deal of narrow minded bigotry?

In your relentless pursuit of my conversion, you've decided to make yourself the arbiter of who's "holy" & "pious" & who isn't. And in doing so, you presume too much.

Margie| 12.8.11 @ 1:29PM

CON CHEF:

"Jesus said to him, "I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father, but by Me." Jn. 14:6.

".. there is no discharge from war, nor will wickedness deliver those who are given to it." Ecc. 8:8.

You are telling Jesus to get off your back. You aren't going to be able to get away with it. You can try and say, no! It is YOU I am telling it to, but you openly say it with your own words~ you reject Jesus Christ as LORD.

Demonize me all you want, I'm not going away.

MikeG| 12.8.11 @ 5:56PM

Nobody is demonizing you. But your are making a fool of yourself.

Margie| 12.8.11 @ 6:13PM

"For the Word of the Cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.: 1 Cor. 1:18.

Mock on, liar.

Papist Dan| 12.7.11 @ 8:50PM

Now your are equating hatred of you with demeaning Jesus Christ?
You are one sicko Margie.
You have a weird persecution complex.
You are not even funny, just in need of a shrink.

Margie| 12.8.11 @ 1:34PM

"But now I am coming to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves.

I have given them Thy Word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

I do not pray that thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that thou shouldst keep them from the evil one.

They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

Sanctify them in the Truth; Thy Word is Truth." Jn. 17:13-17.

Zak Klemmer| 12.7.11 @ 10:50AM

I wouldn't, couldn't and didn't vote for Nixon in 1972. He was an egomaniac who was as far to the left as LBJ: Power for power's sake.

Margie| 12.7.11 @ 7:30PM

To Ken the pompous Reprobate who continues in his SIN against God by falsely accusing a sister in Christ of wanting to be unfaithful to my husband:

Ken (Old Texican)| 10.21.11 @ 11:39AM

Margie,
you know you love me, and I have the e-mails to prove it.
Sorry you feel like thhe "woman scorned", but I am already happily married to a wonderful Christian woman."

NOW: YOU BEGAN THIS DISGUSTING FALSE ACCUSATION.

Either post the e mails you claim you have that I want to cheat on my husband, or continue proving what a lying Reprobate you are, asshole.

Con Chef (NB) | 12.7.11 @ 7:47PM

Yes, so "pious" you are to be calling people assholes. You're a trip. You're almost as funny as the 2 Jew haters here, ya know that? Actually, given your relentless pursuit of my conversion, I'm beginning to think you're kinda like them.

Good job, Margie. Its taken a while, but you've finally showed your true colors. I don't agree with your religion, so you lump me in with those whom you've already relegated to Hell. I've got news for you. Unless your pastor has G*d's direct line, & lets YOU speak on it sometimes, then you don't know the first thing about what it is that G*d desires.

Behold, G*d is my helper;
The Lord is for me as the upholder of my soul.
He will requite the evil unto them that lie in wait for me;
Destroy Thou them in Thy truth.

Pslams 54:6-7

I've got my Book, Margie. And it suits me just fine, thank you very much.

RCV| 12.7.11 @ 11:30PM

Rest easy, Con Chef. Yeshua, whom Margie purports to follow, was of the very same faith as you, and read and followed the same Book you do. And after his death, his family and disciples continued to worship at the Temple and to follow the same Torah you do. Margie knows and has read very little, and must have taken her distorted view of the Bible from a Jehovah's Witness, because the theology -- the hatred of Catholics, the denial of Christ as God, the utter confidence that only people who think like her are going to Heaven -- is exactly the same as that little cult.

I don't know for certain exactly what awaits us all when this life is over. But I am very confident that if I am fortunate enough to be in the embrace of my Creator, it will be in company that includes John Paul II, the Dalai Lama, Abba Eban, Jeanne D'Arc, Mother Theresa, Elie Wiesel, Dietrich Bonhoffer, and other good people of many faiths who enriched this earth with their presence and loved and honored God with their lives.

W| 12.8.11 @ 7:24AM

Well said, RCV. The recemt Mataxas biography of Bonhoeffer is terrific.

Margie| 12.8.11 @ 2:47PM

"W" Troll:

You're a liar. You may think you can hide from God, along with the other liars here, but you cannot.

You will have a huge surprise, liar, when you wake up on the other side of Eternity.

You're making a BIG mistake!

W| 12.8.11 @ 3:23PM

Buzz off, Mullah.
Go play with your snakes.

Margie| 12.8.11 @ 5:20PM

"W" Troll:

See my post, below.

Margie| 12.8.11 @ 2:49PM

"Margie knows and has read very little, and must have taken her distorted view of the Bible from a Jehovah's Witness, because the theology -- the hatred of Catholics, the denial of Christ as God, the utter confidence that only people who think like her are going to Heaven -- is exactly the same as that little cult."

None of this is true, nor have I agreed to any of it.

PREPARE TO MEET YOUR GOD, LIAR:

"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death." Rev. 21:8.

Margie| 12.8.11 @ 1:24PM

Con Chef:

Well kiddo, the LORD includes Jesus Christ.

Since you openly reject Him, you have no say in the matter.

RCV the lying Leftist and Obama suck up is on your side. That should tell you something.

Margie| 12.8.11 @ 1:30PM

p.s. Con Chef:

I notice you do not attack your "Christian" pal, Ken when he tells others they are assholes.

Wonder why that is, hmm?

Hypocrite!

Margie| 12.8.11 @ 5:24PM

Con Chef:

"Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son." 1 Jn. 2:22.

You say you have your Book, but your Book won't save you.
Only Jesus saves. And your Book, the Bible proclaims the coming of the Christ.

Did you read Isaiah 53, which I posted here?

"Jesus answered him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born anew, he cannot see the Kingdom of God." Jn. 3:3.

Con Chef (NB) | 12.7.11 @ 8:13PM

Margie Wrote:

"I have no difficulty understanding what I need to understand, and that is this:"

Really? Then why didn't you "understand" when I told you get the hell off my back with your attempts at converting me? No habla?

chuck| 12.7.11 @ 8:35PM

con,

I was raised in the Methodist Church, and they way I heard it was, Methodists get you by promising the rewards of heaven, Baptists just want to scare the hell out of you.

Guess where Margie belongs.

Margie,

Jesus was about love.

Con Chef (NB) | 12.7.11 @ 9:00PM

She makes most of the Southern Baptists I grew up with look absolutely terrible. And I think they stopped trying to convert me by about my 3rd month in Memphis. And it never happened again.

Margie is so blinded by hate for those who don't subscribe to her EXACT interpretation of the Gospel of Christ that she can't even see straight. Someone needs to get that woman a stiff Scotch and maybe a xanax.

W| 12.8.11 @ 7:31AM

Con Chef,
You will like Psalm 51, sung in Italian as Miserere on you tube. at Pavarotti and Zuchero:Miserere.
and VaPensiero,by Pavarotti/Bocelli/Zuchero about the Israelites/Nabucco.

Margie| 12.8.11 @ 2:57PM

You're so wrong, chuck. About everything you've said.

You obviously are not a believer in Christ and His gospel yet.
The Bible (God's Own Words) actually COMMAND Christians to preach His Gospel.

That means in the face of liars, in the face of slanderers, in the face of the spiritually dead.

The spiritually dead and liars both call that HATE.

I don't hate anyone, but I DO hate lies. So does God, He is actually going to throw them into Hell for eternity. See Rev. 21:8, above.

It would do your soul good to actually read and heed the Words of God as written in the Bible (which I post as well), instead of just blindly jumping on the bandwagon of those who are opposed to the speaking of His Words.

I mean, how convenient that is, rather than honestly considering the truth, hmm?

chuck| 12.8.11 @ 9:00PM

Margie,

As a general rule, I try to avoid talking about my religious beliefs. I usually only do when I find someone who shares some of the experiences I've been through, as a way to share support or gain some info from them. Life is a journey. Likewise, spiritual awareness is also a journey. I'm much more aware of the presence of God in my life then I was 5, 10,20, or 30 years ago. Life , and experience does that to you. I've found that by listening, finding the right people, and conversing with those people help me on my spiritual journey. The passing of my father last year, and meeting the pastor that he loved, and who spoke at my dad's service, had a marked effect on me. Pastor Brian, through his words, and his understanding of my father, reawaken my faith.

The point I'm trying to get across is: This Pastor, a man filled with the spirit of God, touch me a way that no other man of God was able to. I was brought up in a religious family, my grandfather was a minister, and we were in church constantly. But it never really sunk in. Until I met this pastor. His kind words, at one of the most difficult times of my life, were what was necessary for God to reach me, or me to reach out to God.
I'm not asking you not to practice or preach your faith, it is so much a part of you. Rather, that kind words are usually much more effective than harsh ones.
I believe in a God of Love, who wants the best for everybody.

Margie| 12.8.11 @ 1:20PM

ConChef:

You can speak your mind, but I cannot speak God's Word?

It is YOU have have openly stated you reject Jesus Christ.

As a Christian, I am telling you that He says you will not be able to enter God's Kingdom by so doing. And you are in Rebellion against God.

Now, you nor any other of the liars here will be able to shut me up, so get used to it.

"But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of stress.

For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, inhuman, implacable, slanderers, profligates, fierce, haters of good,
treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding the form of Religion but denying the power of it. Avoid such people." 2 Tim. 3"1-5.

And the EXACT interpretation of His Word? There is no need for that, as His Words speak for themselves. Jesus makes it real simple:

"Jesus said to him, "I am the Way, and the Truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by Me." Jn. 14:6.

Now, your Reprobate pal, Ken has led the charge here against the Word of God, as he is a liar and is bearing false witness against another Christian.

H is succeeding in turning others against me here, but he will pay the price for it in eternity, as he well knows.

You are in ignorance now, you are refusing the Lord of Glory and it is in part at least because of this man who present me as a liar when he is the liar, and is in fact described in that verse that I just posted.
And as long as you post your "opinion" here, I will post the Word of God, no matter who trues to walk all over me or Him.

"There are six things which the LORD hates, seven which are an abomination to Him:

haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil,

a false witness who breathes out lies, and a man who sows discord among brothers." Prov. 6:16-19.

NOW: That is what Ken is doing to me here, publicly.
Why should I not rebuke him for it?
And~ doe any of the above Scripture apply to you, too?

Just who do you think YOU are?

Con Chef (NB) | 12.9.11 @ 8:36AM

I'm a Child of Israel, blessed by G*d. And I need NOT your approval to seek G*d's blessings. He takes care of me just fine, thank you very much.

POST American| 12.7.11 @ 11:02PM

--------------------BOTTOM LINE----------------------

"The ILLUMINATI were kicked out
of America around 1800. They snuck back
in via the China OPIUM cabals of the
Yale secret societies a couple of decades later."

-Perhaps duped, perhaps seduced, perhaps
'CALM--PRO--MY--zed'. Whatever, FACT IS
'Nick's ON' was a KEY figure during the
implementation of the Globalist RED China
sellout and TREASON OP. HE was instrumental
in fronting for this horror.

There's NO getting around it.

And even now, even as we sit here, we find:

"GOV'T Activating FEMA CAMPS
NATIONWIDE"
-JUST IN-
InfoWars
(hours ago)

Manning the camps, and you yourself
to be held, and to work ---IN the camps
---IS to be the NEW 'E---CON---omy'.

We TOLD YOU, psychopathic Globalist
USURY would bring EUGENICS, one day,
right here.

-----------X--SPEED-iency as the 'I.D.---ALL'

---You've REFUSED TO HEED the warnings.

NOW, we're ALLLL going to find
the 'RED CHINA model' ----------------is NOW HERE.

---------------HUAC/ Nuremberg 2012----------------

Con Chef (NB) | 12.8.11 @ 9:06AM

The Skull & Bones Society of Yale is out to POISON us all with shards of the skull of Geronimo!!!

--------------------OH, THE HORROR!!!---------------

Con Chef (NB) | 12.9.11 @ 8:33AM

Margie the Charlatan Pukes:

"As a Christian, I am telling you that He says you will not be able to enter God's Kingdom by so doing. And you are in Rebellion against God."

SAYS WHO?! YOUR HOLY TEXT? As taught by Tony Alamo? You are a CHARLATAN because you assume to know the mind & heart of G*d.

"Evil brings death to the wicked, and those who hate the righteous will be condemned
The Lord redeems the life of His servants;
none of those who take refuge in Him shall be condemned."

Psalms 34: 21-22

Get bent Margie. You're a disgrace to Christians everywhere.

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