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Campaign Crawlers
Dreams Die Hard
The heartbreaking wreckage of Herman Cain’s campaign.
Mike Rogers was on board what became known as the Cain Train even before the locomotive left the station. A computer systems engineer who lives in New Hampshire, Rogers first heard Herman Cain speak at an Americans for Prosperity conference in 2009, and immediately believed the Georgia businessman should be the next President of the United States. Rogers and his wife gave the maximum legal contribution to Cain’s presidential exploratory committee before the former Godfather’s Pizza CEO officially announced his Republican primary candidacy in May.
“I was sitting in the front row for the announcement in Atlanta,” Rogers said Sunday, a day after Cain returned home to Atlanta to announce that he would suspend his campaign, which had soared to the top of the GOP field in early October but was eventually derailed by accusations of sexual misconduct that the 65-year-old candidate has insisted are false and politically motivated. In announcing his exit from the campaign trail, Cain said he was moving from “Plan A” — winning the White House in 2012 — to “Plan B,” an issues-advocacy website, but Saturday was definitely the end of the dream that Rogers and thousands of other self-declared “Cainiacs” had dreamed for months.
“Plan B is just face-saving,” Rogers said. “Unless he’s able to clear his name and get back in, or clear his name and be picked as the [vice-presidential running mate] for somebody, essentially his best bet is to take his raised profile and get back on the radio, maybe a little bit of TV, and push his policies. But really, it’s not going to have the same force as being in the field shaping the debate.”
Unlike the TV talking heads, print pundits and late-night comedians who spent the past five weeks reporting, analyzing or mocking each new accusation against Cain, it’s not easy for true believers like Rogers to move on. The media immediately turned their attention to speculating about which of the remaining Republican candidates will benefit most from Cain’s painful encounter with the politics of personal destruction, while the dreamers awoke to life without a dream. And here, alas, one reporter must lay aside his Joe Friday “just-the-facts-ma’am” act, dispelling the phony illusion of neutrality that the device of writing in the third person is supposed to achieve. Please accept my apology if I ever fooled anyone with that trick, because the dream of the Cainiacs was one I shared in a deeply personal way. If my coverage of his against-all-odds campaign was always factual and accurate, it was no more “objective” than any of the other stories written about Herman Cain, whether the reporters doing the reporting were his friends or foes. Many of my journalistic colleagues who covered him on the campaign trail came to love “The Hermanator” as much as I did and, even among those politically hostile reporters who didn’t think Cain was qualified to be president, nearly everyone who got to know him actually liked the cheerful, humorous, and outspoken businessman.
“Steve Forbes with charisma,” I dubbed him less than a year ago in my first American Spectator article about Cain’s prospective campaign (“Run, Herman, Run,” Dec. 27, 2010). Back then the typical reaction to his candidacy was “Herman who?” While he lacked the factor that pollsters call “name ID,” anyone who initially underestimated Cain’s potential as a candidate was proven decisively wrong on that Saturday in September when his victory in the Florida GOP straw poll quickly launched him to the top of the Republican field (“Herman Cain’s Magic Moment,” Sept. 26, 2011). During those nine long months, while Cain struggled to overcome the scoffing skeptics who consistently maligned his candidacy (e.g., Karl Rove), I was quite nearly the only national political reporter to take the Cain campaign seriously, covering him extensively both on my personal blog and here at The American Spectator. When I joined the media mob at an Arlington, Virginia, book-signing event in early October — just after national polls first showed Cain as the Republican front-runner — one of his longtime supporters laughingly reminisced about those months when my blog was just about the only place on the Internet to find news about the long-shot campaign. It was reporting for Cainiacs by one of their own. If anyone reading this is now recovering from the aftermath of Cainmania, feel free to blame me: Maybe I wasn’t “Patient Zero” of the epidemic caused by Cain’s contagious charisma, but I certainly did all I could to spread the fever.
“When people meet Herman, they like Herman,” his former campaign spokesman Ellen Carmichael told me many months ago, expressing the essence of his appeal. Beyond his confident smile and down-to-earth personality, Cain brought to the campaign more than the entrepreneurial sensibility of an experienced businessman. He also brought his own inspiring personal narrative: A black man born in the segregated South, his parents domestic workers of modest means, Cain rose through hard work to become an executive at Pillsbury before taking over a Midwestern pizza chain that he helped rescue from the brink of bankruptcy. His first foray into politics — refuting President Bill Clinton’s health-care claims during a televised 1994 town-hall event — made him a hero to conservatives. He became head of the National Restaurant Association, and subsequently enjoyed success as a motivational speaker before starting a promising career in talk radio in Atlanta.
It was at the studios of Atlanta’s WSB that I first met Herman Cain in 2007, watching him do his popular show before sitting down for an interview, during which I was struck by his analysis of what had gone wrong with the Republican Party in recent years. “They didn’t stick to principles,” Cain told me, explaining why Republicans lost control of Congress in the 2006 mid-term elections. “They were not listening to people outside Washington. If they would have listened, they wouldn’t have lost.” Is there any conservative in America — anyone? show of hands? — who disagrees with that diagnosis? Certainly I did not, and Cain’s words carried extra weight in light of another diagnosis: A year earlier, doctors had discovered cancer in Cain’s colon which had already spread to his liver. The odds were more than 2-to-1 against him surviving, and the mere fact that he was alive in the spring of 2007 made Cain’s smiling optimism all the more inspiring.
As my Cainiac friend Mike Rogers said Sunday, “Herman was Tea Party before Tea Party was cool,” and his speeches to rallies in 2009 and 2010 made him a grassroots superstar. By the time I saw him again — at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference in New Orleans in April 2010 — his speech was greeted with thunderous ovations rivaling the cheers the GOP crowd gave to Sarah Palin. He ended that speech with a jocular reference to the possibility that he might be a “dark horse” presidential candidate for 2012, and afterwards was swarmed by Republican well-wishers eager to shake his hand and have their photos taken with him. If he wasn’t joking about a 2012 campaign, Cain clearly had enormous potential. While I was then busy covering the mid-term congressional campaign, I made a mental note to keep an eye on Cain. As soon as Election Day 2010 ended, I found myself on the phone with Steve Foley, a conservative New Media consultant who had already taken the first steps toward launching his Citizens4Cain site to rally grassroots support. We agreed that, second only to Palin, Cain had the most potential to carry forward the momentum of the Tea Party movement.
All the pundits who low-rated Cain’s presidential prospects never seemed to see what Foley and I and so many other Cainiacs saw. For all his gaffes and blunders, for all the ineptitude of his campaign staff, Cain had something special that appealed to ordinary Americans sick of the cynical rhetoric of establishment politicians. Once the Cain Train gained momentum, pundits like Karl Rove seemed to find it personally offensive that an inexperienced outsider running an amateur campaign could win the enthusiastic support of millions. Two polls in October showed 30 percent of Republican voters ready to vote for Cain. By Oct. 20, despite all his mistakes and all the criticism from naysayers, the amateur outsider moved ahead of establishment favorite Mitt Romney in the RealClearPolitics average of national polls. And it was just about then that reporters began contacting the campaign’s recently hired communications director, J.D. Gordon, to ask about accusations of sexual harassment made more than a dozen years earlier during Cain’s tenure at the National Restaurant Association. Were the accusations true? We still don’t know and may never know. But to borrow Shakespeare’s famous phrase from Marc Antony’s funeral oration for Caesar, “If it were so, it was a grievous fault, And grievously hath Herman Cain answer‘d it.”
Dreams die hard, and I suppose many of my fellow Cainiacs experienced the kind of pain I felt Saturday when my 12-year-old son Jefferson, who shared that dream, asked me, “Dad, what does it mean to ‘suspend’ a campaign?” It hurt to tell him that it means “quit,” which was for so many of us at that moment the most painful word in the English language.
About the Author
Robert Stacy McCain is co-author (with Lynn Vincent) of Donkey Cons: Sex, Crime, and Corruption in the Democratic Party (Nelson Current). He blogs at The Other McCain.
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L.J. Moore| 12.5.11 @ 2:33AM
Spot on Stacy, dreams do indeed die hard. For a multitude of reasons the political class decided the Cain insurgency had to be strangled in its cradle.
Timothy L. Pennell| 12.5.11 @ 6:27AM
As Herod decried that the children of Bethlehem should be KILLED, lest they threaten his rule.
It's how EVIL works.
Kingofthenet| 12.5.11 @ 10:56AM
Only problem is there is NO record of Herod ever doing any such thing.
Ryan| 12.5.11 @ 12:48PM
There probably wouldn't be one. We're not talking thousands of children murdered - probably only a handful, and rulers tend not to advertize their atrocities.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 1:02PM
Herod did, according to the Bible (God's Own Words kill all the male children. Not only in Bethlehem, either, so a handful you say? I think not:
"Then Herod, when he saw that he had been tricked by the wise men, was in a furious rage, and he sent and killed all the male children in Bethlehem and in all that region who were two years old or under, according to the time which he had ascertained from the wise men.
Then was fulfilled what was spoken by the prophet Jeremiah:
"A voice was heard in Ramah, wailing and loud lamentation, Rachel weeping for her children; she refused to be consoled, because they were no more." Mt. 2:16-18.
Jesus is LORD, and His Word is Truth.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 12:59PM
There is record of each child murdered, it is in Heaven and the unrepentant murderers will spend eternity in Hell, as God has promised.
"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death." Rev. 21:8.
Bill| 12.5.11 @ 2:50PM
Well, there IS a record, the New Testament of the Bible.
You may not believe the Bible's account, but that's not the same as there being no report.
Should Have Impeached| 12.5.11 @ 9:50PM
Isn't that the truth? Some people regard the Bible as pure myth if a report of the incident exists nowhere else. The Bible account represents a report in itself--even if it's the only one. Without it, then there would indeed be "no record" of the act. What we would ask for is corroboration, no?
Cosmo| 12.5.11 @ 7:03AM
Herman embarrassed himself and the party.
Please, candidates, don't run for President until
you win a major political office and accomplish something in that office. And don't run if
you have skeletons in your closet that you think won't be found out. Politics "aint beanbag" and you will get beat up if you're not squeaky clean.
This is the most powerful job in the world, not for
amateurs.
chuck| 12.5.11 @ 7:27AM
And the PROFESSIONALS have been doing such a WONDERFUL job of late.
vtwin| 12.5.11 @ 1:10PM
Herman Cain, adulterer, thinks oral sex should be part of the job interview process and monogamist prostitution, thirteen years, is an acceptable occupation. Newt Gingrich, another adulterer, wants your children and grandchildren to work late at night alone the “master janitor,” the perfect job for a child molester. Republican "family-values" have come a long way since Larry Craig and the men bathroom at the Minneapolis airport.
The Knife| 12.5.11 @ 4:37PM
You're projecting again.
AhiaGuy| 12.5.11 @ 6:39PM
vtwin's spending too much time reading Barney Frank's blog...
chuck| 12.5.11 @ 7:12PM
"You might wanna put some ice on that"
Bill Clinton
"Kiss it"
Bill Clinton
"I did not have sex with that woman"
Bill Clinton
Go away, troll.
Purpleguy| 12.5.11 @ 8:53PM
So you're okay with a black man forcing a white woman to "kiss it" as you say? Seriously, you're deranged. Get some help.
Just D.C. hacks are qualified?| 12.5.11 @ 7:35AM
Cosmo, just what do you mean about "win a major political office" prior? (yes, you mean prior to running for 'high office,' i.e. the presidency.
So we always need former governors and former U.S. Senators? It's reduced to that very thin pool of millionaire scum sucking sell-one's-soul for electoral victory ragbeads?
Why can't we have someone stepping right out of medicine, an engineering position, or a business job? A long-serving pastor or college president? (think a place like Hillsdale)
In my state, we just see the career politicians advance. Most are law school graduates. Whoopee! This is precisely why we lurch toward assured failure inch by inch every day.
JimW9| 12.5.11 @ 8:44AM
Was it that Herman was a political amateur or that he ran his campaign in an amateurish fashion?
Didn't he prove beyond a doubt that the business-savvy outsider was the perfect meme for this election cycle?
Rest in peace, Herman. Mr. McCain expresses my sentiments perfectly. Savvy means just that and, unfortunately, when the excrement hit the fan it was the missing ingredient to successfully ward off the accusations (if false).
Oh well, back to voting for the least-bad candidate - and maybe that's not such a bad thing for projecting hero-status to humans is a very risky business.
Grzmlyk| 12.5.11 @ 12:10PM
I liked many aspects of Cain. I think he had a wonderful temperament, geniune confidence and a can-do, optimistic outlook.
Unfortunately, he lacks a world view beyond a sort of generic conservatism. I was behind Cain for a long time - and I think the accusations against him are all bogus, and it is the shame of the media culture in this country that these floozies, golddiggers and democrat operatives were allowed to bring Cain down simply by making accusations. You know a society is at its exhausted end when the mainstream media not only applauds lynching parties, but organizes them and then supplies the rope. And the general populace's reaction to this dishonest nihilism is a collective yawn.
Nevertheless, Cain knew nothing about his own 9-9-9 plan, he knew nothing of the political realities of Washington, he knew nothing about foreign policy and he didn't even know what his own world view was.
Sorry. There is just no "there" there with Cain vis a vis public policy. Deer in the headlights doesn't begin to describe the point at which the hypothetical wonder of Cain would meet the cold concrete of political reality.
His ongoing insistence on remaining blithely ignorant even as he began to catch on were more than a little disconcerting to me. And telling us you're going to hire the best and the brightest to solve problems doesn't cut it; a president puts his imprimatur on his administration; it is his vision that must be executed, his ideological compass that sets the course, his rudder that steers through the waters of political viscissitude.
And, in any case, under the lightweight JFK, the best and the brightest brought us the Bay of Pigs, Viet Nam, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the War on Poverty and a host of other toxic blights on American history.
W| 12.5.11 @ 12:49PM
I feel sorry for Cain. He seems like a genuine, likable person who worked to achieve. While it is easy to criticize, as I have, his answers on abortion or Libya, the reality is he is more qualified than Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid, or any of the Dem pretenders.
Cain had an actual job in the private sector. I suppose if he would have spent his time in a racist, anti semitic, anti american church for 20 years or hung around terrrorrists like Ayers, instead of at best some flirting with one or two women, the media would have excused it as it did with Obama.
The lesson is if you are a Republican you must have a perfectly clean record. And even if there are no credible accusations, you must research the accusations and defend yourself because the MSM will not do any research but it will keep repeating the accusations. But if you are Obama, the MSM will ignore the story about the cocaine/homosexual affair, just as it ignored the stories about the John Edwards love child and the Jesse Jackson love child, both paid with campaign funds. It is old news now about the double standard best exemplified by Teddy K and Barney Frank.
You can leave a woman to drown and be called the Lion of the Senate and the MSM will write stories that Kopechne's "unfortunate" death prevented Teddy from being president.
Grzmlyk| 12.5.11 @ 1:06PM
I couldn't agree more, W.
Yes, Cain is more qualified than Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid, and all of the Democrats - crooks like Charles Schumer, Charles Rangel, Barney Frank, Dick Durbin, or the myriad hacks like Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Sheila Jackson Lee - their numbers are too numerous to name.
My problem is that I think Washington would chew him up and spit him out. The power structure of lobbyists, lawyers, bureaucrats, regulators and staffers collectively wield far more power than any president can bring to bear.
Since Cain would be a naif in the upside-land that is the world inside the beltway, I think they'd make mincemeat of him before he finished the oath of office. Ditto Ron Paul. Yes, he knows the lay of the land, but he is Don Quixote, tilting at windmills.
I don't have an answer; no Reagan looms on the horizon, though I think at least Bachmann and Santorum are genuine, knowledgeable conservatives who might have enough DC-Savvy to maneuver to some degree. But the media has already successfully marginalized them.
Unfortunately, I think the handwriting is on the wall: As has been the case throughout human history, the victory of socialism/progressivism/leftism is the death knell of a nation.
But the playing field is tilted - if you are going to get into politics, chances are good you'll have something in your past an enemy can use against you. To only have pristine people allowed to run for president under the GOP banner, the Democrat Media complex has successfully foreclosed about 99% of possible candidates.
W| 12.5.11 @ 1:21PM
Mr. G, you are correct.
Santorum is smart, tough,principled, experienced but has not "caught" on. He did well on the Huckabee show where he finally had a chance to answer questions.
If Romeny is the nominee there will be MSM stories about the Mormon religion such as the history of polygamy and racism.
If Newt is the nominee there will be MSM stories about his divorces and his resignation as Speaker.
I hope Newt and Romney are ready with a "war room" to quickly answer all charges, as Clinton did .
Grzmlyk| 12.5.11 @ 2:25PM
Sadly, W, I agree - but I also think a "President Romney" would be a lot like Bush - always playing Charlie Brown to the Democrats' Lucy holding the football. He'll reach out to them, they'll smack him around. He'll reach out to them, they'll smack him around. Eventually, he'll be brought to heel. Government Good, Private Enterprise Bad.
If it's Newt who takes the Oval Office, we'll have cap-and-trade faster than you can say bait-and-switch. We'll have something very much like Obamacare. Newt is no conservative, and what Newt loves more than anything else in the world is Newt. True conservative principles are about as important to Newt as a spent rocket booster is to landing on the moon.
And how do you get those flattering puff pieces written about you in Time Magazine and the NY Times? Why, steal from the good and give to the useless, of course.
On the bright side, I don't think it matters one good god damn who the president is anymore.
The real power in Washington will continue to drive this country over the cliff, sucking the life blood out of the decent people until they are bled dry, and then simply replace them with new welfare recipients from other countries until the rest of the world figures out we aren't good for our debts. Then - KABOOM.
Anthony| 12.5.11 @ 4:02PM
Grzmlyk, I believe we as a people have one last chance at setting our nation back on the right course. This election will matter, as few in the past have. We must elect a leader who will rise to America's and the conservative cause.
That said, I fear we are headed for civil unrest. As the Left make their final intentions known, socialism, pure and simple, come Nov. 2012, win or lose, the gloves and pretenses will come off, and America will be at war with itself, once again.
Grzmlyk| 12.5.11 @ 5:27PM
Anthony, if you look at what the GOP is doing right now, they're not serious whatsoever about getting our debt under control. It's not politically expedient, and this country needs a drastic downsizing of government. No politician is going to face reality. No matter who our next president is. Reality is far too ugly.
No, we are experiencing the entropy of human nature - every democratic form of government - including our representative republic - collapses, and always for the same reason: Fiscal irresoponsibility; once the populace figures out they can vote themselves endless goodies from the public treasury, it is simply a matter of time before the collapse occurs.
It is a fait accompli. I don't think we have one last chance.
Zak Klemmer| 12.5.11 @ 3:15PM
Every person has flaws and any voter who thinks that they will find a perfect candidate will be holding back their own tears. I really hate the left's hypocrisy since they are quick to make unfounded accusations on their opponents and cover up the lies and transgressions of their favorites; just look at what Teddy Kennedy got away with in shirking his responsibility in the death of Mary Jo. While I emphasize with Mr. Cain, shouldn't he have known that this scandal had a high probability of occurring?
Grzmlyk| 12.5.11 @ 3:43PM
Yes, Zak, that's another issue entirely - I'm not sure that he isn't 100% a victim - and in which case, how could one defend himself against a casual acquaintance, or even a good friend that the Democrats have bribed, who makes accusations out of nowhere?
I mean, anyone can make an allegation; I could allege that, even though I've never been within 500 miles of John Boehner, he exposed himself to me in an airport in 1999, and, because he's a Republican, bingo - instant scandal.
But Cain simply wasn't a credible candidate because he knew nothing about basic issues (had never heard of the phrase "right to return," did not know what a "neocon" was, didn't know anything about Libya), and because he seemed oddly happy with the fact that he knows nothing about basic issues.
When I know more about policy than a top-tier presidential candidate, something is wrong, because I am no policy wonk.
Zak Klemmer| 12.7.11 @ 2:09PM
True, but I think that I could make Ron Paul's case on foreign policy better than he has done, doing it without alienating mainstream Americans. Let me ask you: Why is the US still in NATO? Most all of the eastern European nations that were formerly controlled by the (former) USSR are now part of the EU. I think that Europe and Japan should pay the full cost of their own defense. The US is conducting a foreign military adventure like it's still 1979. We are going bankrupt!
Steve| 12.6.11 @ 3:36PM
I would add that the left is a very racist group of people who only see the black man as a failure and who need their condescending help in order to get by. The left disgusts me and 2012 will be the end of RINO's, CINO's and lefty DEMs.
PhilTheCapitalistPig| 12.5.11 @ 4:51PM
"Nevertheless, Cain knew nothing about his own 9-9-9 plan, he knew nothing of the political realities of Washington, he knew nothing about foreign policy and he didn't even know what his own world view was."
Question worth pondering: Is this really a bad thing?
Grzmlyk| 12.5.11 @ 5:12PM
Yes. I believe that if a person attains middle age and has no opinons about the world, and no knowledge of the way the world works, and doesn't appear to care that he doesn't know any of this, he cannot be taken seriously, and cannot be counted on to have an unwavering ideological sense of True North.
He had no opinion on Israel. No opinion on Libya. No opinion about the greater middle-east problems and the problem of Islam. No opinion as to the rift in the conservative party between "neocons" and "paleocons." He didn't know anything about the economics behind his own plan, and appeared to know nothing of the differences between the Keynesianism that Democrats espouse and more traditional, Chicago School or Austrian School economics.
I don't want to hire a navigator to get me through the Amazon Basin who doesn't know where he is going and doesn't think having a compass, a map or a GPS system is important because he has supreme faith in his own sense of direction.
I could forgive some of the ignorance if he had made an effort to inform himself, but he did not.
Such a person would be far too susceptible to fall under the influence of god knows whom - or simply be buffetted about by the political winds that blow from every which direction in DC.
I mean, Reagan was steeped in conservative theory and writings and was a true-blue conservative - and he couldn't slay the Statist Beast. Now the beast has grown exponentially and it is so much more ravenous, and we send in a guy who doesn't know the terrain in to save us?
I know we have a pretty weak field, but damn.
Then again, all that our next president will have to do is either kick the can further down the raad orelse, if the sovereign debt music stops, hunker down in the White House while all hell breaks loose.
Quartermaster| 12.5.11 @ 7:18PM
Reagan didn't really try to slay Statist beast. He had too many Neocons in his cabinet. A Neocon is just a Hawkish Dem that got run out of the Democrat Party because they were sliding left.
Neocons are not conservative. No way, no how. The Reps are also a leftist party and were born as such. The Dems were the Conservative party until Wilson. Now there is nothing approaching a Conservative party. Conservatives are fighting an uphill battle to make the Reps conservative, and it has been a losing battle.
PhilTheCapitalistPig| 12.6.11 @ 10:29AM
I understand your point. But its not that important in my opinion. I appreciate a man who tells you he doesn't know when he doesn't know. I prefer that to the political front that is put up by MOST politicians who can articulate some position that works well on focus groups who also have NO knowledge of the subject.
Whats so wrong with a man who would prefer to listen to the people on the front lines?
We HAVE a president who thinks he knows more than the generals NOW.
Jack in Wi| 12.5.11 @ 7:41AM
Herman was never ready to be president. His 999 plan was just a gimmic cooked up by his pals at the Federal Reserve to fleece the middle and lower classes and give a huge tax break to the rich. No wonder Steve Forbes was all for him. He also showed tremendous ignorance of History, Geography, foreign policy, pro-life policy, economic policy, and fiscal policy. His hero's were such old criminals as Henry Kissenger and Alan Greenspan. How the hell could Herman get as far as he did is the big question? The bimbo eruption was just the final straw.
jothepro| 12.5.11 @ 9:08AM
Hey Jack, I see you globbed on to the liberal talking points. So sad..
Jack in Wi| 12.5.11 @ 11:08AM
I see Herm Cain is going to endorse Neuter Gingrich today. Thay deserve each other. Mr Fannie Mae and Mr Federal Reserve are a perfect fit for a ticket. They are 2 guys who can't figure out how to manage their girl friends but think they should be running the country. I call Newt Neuter, because that is his goal, to neuter the conservative movenment and the Tea Party.
Anthony| 12.5.11 @ 12:41PM
These Paulbotts are going to hand this election to Obozo. Despite serious differences I have with Newt, he will clean the MSM's and Obozo's clock.
We can keep Newt on the straight and narrow conservative path.
The only recent utterance that Paul said that makes sense, and I agree with, is his comment about the increasingly reprehensible Donald Trump.
This ego maniac is a real POS, who is 24/7 all about himself. Any R who shows up for this jerks debate should have their heads examined. Paul is spot on about this jerk!!!!
Go away Trump, this is serious business, and all you care about is face time on T.V.
Anthony| 12.5.11 @ 12:48PM
P.S. I disgree totally with Limbaugh about Trump, who takes this clown seriously.Trump must have offered Limbaugh a membership in his new golf course, and so has Limbaugh up his butt!!! Nothing about Trump makes sense. Limbaugh is so wrong about Trump it's sickening!
Wake the hell up Rush!!
PhilTheCapitalistPig| 12.5.11 @ 4:54PM
So its ok for Anderson Cooper and Wolf Blitzer to "moderate", but not Trump. GTFOH.
God forbid we let someone besides a liberal moderate a debate.
Purpleguy| 12.5.11 @ 8:55PM
Did you miss the Fox News debate? Trump doesn't even pretend to be a journalist - so what credentials does he have to moderate anything? "You're fired" is all he knows and living off of OPM.
PhilTheCapitalistPig| 12.6.11 @ 10:21AM
So the new requirement to be a moderator is that you "pretend" to be objective?
OK.
Clint| 12.5.11 @ 3:24PM
" With the intense search for a conservative alternative to Mitt Romney producing popularity “bubbles” for Rick Perry and Herman Cain, “Who’s next?” has been the recurring question. In an ironic twist, the consensus answer seems to be: Newt Gingrich.
I say “ironic” because the opposition to Romney has been led by conservative grassroots writers and activists, as well as groups like FreedomWorks. Gingrich isn’t much more popular among that contingent than Romney. In May, when Gingrich sharply criticized Paul Ryan’s Medicare reform plan, FreedomWorks Chairman Dick Armey reminded National Review that Gingrich had been a serial offender:
Citing Gingrich’s support of Dede Scozzafava in the 2009 congressional election in New York’s 23rd district, his backing of Medicare Part D and TARP, and his commercial with Nancy Pelosi about climate change, Armey observes that “Newt entered the race with serious ground to make up with these 2 million Tea Party activists.”…
Brendan Steinhauser, director of Federal and State Campaigns for FreedomWorks, reports that the Tea Partiers he’s talked to are “irate” at Gingrich… “I never met a single Tea Party activist that supported Newt Gingrich for president,” he adds."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Vern Crisler| 12.5.11 @ 9:18AM
The sexual harrassment allegations did not derail Cain's campaign. It was his lackluster debate performances that sealed his fate. He kept repeating 999 and couldn't really answer questions with any detail. IOW, he looked out of his league with experienced pols like Newt, Romney, and Paul. Same thing happened to Perry, remember; he just didn't measure up. Michelle Bachman has a similar problem, perhaps because she's a woman. She does well one on one but when standing next to large men with a lot of policy experience, she fades into the background. Sarah could have held her own, but it's tough for other women candidates during these debates. They'd have to be as tough and as elequent as Margaret Thatcher in order to stand out.
Purpleguy| 12.5.11 @ 8:57PM
Michelle Bachman is nuts - that's why she can't make it. Sarah Palin? OMG, stop it... my side hurts ... LMAO. Sarah "I can see Russia from my house" Palin? hahahaha
Vern Crisler | 12.5.11 @ 9:54PM
Sarah never said that Gayguy.....
Alan Brooks| 12.5.11 @ 9:32AM
Cain was just a token:
"you want to run a mulatto? we've got a black for you- so there!"
What is revolting is you tried to fob off an old vet in '96, and then repeated the mistake in 2008; you were surprised they didn't win; or perhaps you feigned surprise... and next year you will do it again- it's similar to knowing the score of a fixed ballgame beforehand, you don't want to watch the game.
Teaghan| 12.5.11 @ 6:32AM
My question has been from the first accusation of harrassment has been, why hasn't he started a lawsuit against these women? The slutty librarian lookin' gal and the rest? The one in Atlanta was pitiful and seemed she was being used by someone. It's all indeed heartbreaking.
I read an article last night about 3 men who say they were sexually harrassed by obama while all working at Law Review at Harvard. They too were given settlements and told they couldn't talk about the suit. They left their jobs with 5 figure settlements. Can MSNBC look into these allegations?
NedB| 12.5.11 @ 8:03AM
It's all but impossible for someone to sue for libel and slander while he's running for office.
Now Cain did hire a libel lawyer about a month ago to investigate these women. Since he's suspended his campaign, he's no free to go after them in court.
I figure it will take about a month for the first actions to take place. If/when Cain sues, the burden will be on his accusers to prove he did what they say he did.
Tina B| 12.5.11 @ 8:26AM
Simple answer. No. It's not their job. Their job is to ruin anyone who smells like they could defeat BHO. Their job is propaganda. This is no longer a Free press, it is a bought and paid for press, like a lover compared to a whore.
Redstateboy| 12.5.11 @ 8:58AM
I say Tina B... follow the money! who paid Gloria Allred? Who dug up these Ho's?! Someone made the calls.. someone did the legwork.. who paid for it? One thing I think is certain.. HC was a Huge threat to the Slave Party - I think very, very few realize how much a threat he was.. A Black Man?!! A Black Conservative Man?!! Leaving the Plantation?!!!!? He must be lynched!!! "We caaan't have no Nigra leave'n the Democrat Plantation?! Why Hells-Bells.. next thing you'd know.. there'd be a bunch of em' want'n to leave and then were would we be?"
The whole thing was disgusting.. but also.. Herman should've known they'd play hardball..
Herman had to be absolutely squeaky clean.
rd| 12.5.11 @ 9:11AM
Can anyone name the RNC Chairman today? (Republican National Committee) Can you even pronounce his name? But you could just two years ago with the previous RNC Chair.
We all knew him and saw him a lot on TV/Fox; heard him on radio. He was very much a prominent national figure.
Wanna bet that some of (not all, but some of) his lynching and removal is from the same people who do not want to see a popular, well spoken, well-liked conservative black man aligned with and high up in the GOP.
Isn't this systematic removal? Hit-jobs removals?
The RNC Chairman now removed: Michael Steele.
Sure, Herman Cain seems a good bit more conservative than Steele, but...
Any parallels here, folks?
DGinGA| 12.5.11 @ 11:16AM
It saddens me that I cannot categorically state that I believe Herman Cain's demise came from the Obama camp. It could just as easily have come from Karl Rove and the GOP, who do NOT want a Tea Party upstart outsider to come in and mess up Mitt Romney's shot at the Presidency. It's his turn, folks. And the Cocktail Party GOP establishment wants to make sure he gets his turn. So once again, we will either have to hold our noses and vote for ABO (Anyone but Obama) or stay home and watch the Dems take the country even closer to the precipice over the next five years.
remnant| 12.5.11 @ 11:20PM
DGinGA, well, I think we all have to ponder, "Who exactly did this hatchet job on Herman Cain?" It was a well funded series of researching into his background, particularly while head of the NRA.
And they were ready to spring all the allegations two weeks after Herman Cain started to top polls.
This to me is more evidence that they wish to undermine the Tea Party folks and movement. The RINO GOP is not going to let another October-November 2010 occur.
chuck| 12.5.11 @ 11:56PM
Matt Towery says it was Romney. Knew it for a fact.
verify| 12.5.11 @ 8:41AM
Teaghan, please post a link to the media source for the B.H. Obama - Harvard Law Review students sexual harassment - settlements news. Thank you.
The Bruce| 12.5.11 @ 3:26PM
conservativetalk.org/2011/11/07/obama-accused-of-sexual-harassment-at-harvard-law-review
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2805071/posts
The Bruce| 12.5.11 @ 3:27PM
www.independentsentinel.com/20.....ack-obama/
RCV| 12.6.11 @ 1:23AM
This is utter garbage, completely made up.
AhiaGuy| 12.5.11 @ 6:47PM
Mr. Brooks is disappointed that, without a conservative minority in the race, he has no excuse to spew his racist venom or post his bigoted Amos 'n Andy routines.
But he drools at the prospect of Marco Rubio in the future. Even now Mr. Brooks is working on his Pancho & Cisco ditties.
Purpleguy| 12.5.11 @ 8:59PM
And, you say this because why? The Republicant party is sooooo inclusive and diverse? riiiiiiggghhht.
WilliamInWien| 12.5.11 @ 6:34AM
Whatever Mr. Cain's personal "failings", I truly enjoyed how he gave Karl Rove and the Republican "establishment" fits! Cain could and should now serve as a counterweight to the Balding Bloated Bloviater and keep conservative values in the forefront as the nomination process continues.
Tenn Slim| 12.5.11 @ 6:35AM
Karl Rove etal DID NOT want a Southern Candidate. Period. Cain or any one else from south of the Mason Dixon line is verbotten.
Newt is next on thier hit list.
Rove etal dearly wants to see the Obama train continue, thus ensuring thier "analyst" positions forever.
end
Semper Fi
Tina B| 12.5.11 @ 8:27AM
So it would seem.
nister| 12.5.11 @ 6:50AM
Cain was told by God to run for president. Now he's defied God's will, and is going to Hell when he dies.
aware| 12.5.11 @ 6:52AM
No doubt Cain will "endorse" that other paragon of morality Newt before the week is out, which I'm sure will be an easy transition for his supporters to make. Swamp creatures are the best suited to inhabit the Swamp.
GOP is setting new standards for the Stupid Party that surpass even the lofty mark set in '08. The right wing of the UniParty has sure got the circus off to an entertaining start.
Can Margie please provide the appropriate Scripture verses concerning serial adulterers for her former "choice" for president? See, I warned you what happens when you rush to defend politicians(they make you sorry you did).
aware| 12.5.11 @ 6:59AM
Oh by the way, McCain, this should make your next book easy" Elephant Cons: Sex, Crime, and Corruption of the other wing of the UniParty".
The dream that there is any real difference between the "2" parties is the hardest one to die.
Vern Crisler| 12.5.11 @ 9:20AM
David and Solomon were not paragons of virtue.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 1:28PM
Vern,
No they weren't, but they repented and were forgiven, and that's what God looks at. He even called David a man after His Own Heart!
Amazing Grace.
As to Presidents? When the Lefty Libertarians, along with the Democrats refer to Newt as a serial Adulterer (or Herman Cain as they are now trying to say is)~ my comment to them is this:
Better a repentant serial Adulterer than an unrepentant Socialist.
"For ALL have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God." Rom. 3:23.
Yet He has mercy upon whomever He wills.. Rom. 9:18, the requirement is repentance and belief in the Gospel of His Son beginning in Mk. 1:1.
"For God has consigned all men to disobedience, that He may have mercy upon all." Rom. 11:32.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 1:22PM
Oh, aware, you know better than that, my brother.
I assume you're talking about Herman Cain when you say serial Adulterer? You know better than to go along with the Leftist liars. You know that there was absolutely no evidence of Adultery by him. This latest lying woman even stated that they went to a fight together (boxing), at a time before SHE even said they had even met.
The Bible says whoever is dishonest in a VERY little is dishonest also in much. Lk. 16:10.
And I watched one interview with her. When asked the question directly as to whether or not they had sex~ she did NOT answer the question.
Now: you have said that you are a sort of anarchist, and n Paul backer. So, you are not in favor of a man who is a real conservative, like Herman Cain. Paul-bots despise and I mean DESPISE real conservatives, I mean, after all~ they're not anarchists, they're for the form of government we already have, and that doesn't agree with your philosophy. He's also for a strong Military defense and pro-Israel, and we all know that Paul-bots are against same.
Therefore, how honest are YOU really being here, trying to paint Herman Cain as a serial Adulterer, and making that the issue, when #1, it's dishonest to do so, and #2, it isn't the REAL reason you're against him?
And this is EXACTLY the modus operandi of the Left. You are proving that Paul followers are indeed like the Left!
Is that what you really want to be?
As a Christian we're called to love the Truth, and so be saved... no matter how hard that may seem to do and in the face of whomever you may have to be doing it.
aware| 12.5.11 @ 5:41PM
No I was talking about Newt.
As far as Cain, or "real conservatives" as you put it, goes would a conservative advocate another avenue of "revenue"(theft) for the Federal government such as a national sales tax? That and being a former Federal Reserve minion is more than enough to warrant my hostility to him.
Also I notice that Paul isn't rushing to kiss Trump's ass, like the rest of the clowns in this circus. Like it or not, another plus in my book.
I've told you I was an arch conservative since '76 and played it just like you are now for years. Rabid(no offense). Sooner or later you will do the same assessment I did. Then you will find, in spite of "winning" the "real conservatives" don't give you small government like they promise. Far from it. You may not like to hear this(I didn't), but I defy anyone reading this to supply evidence to the contrary. I don't get fooled again.
Let me be crystal clear for the ideologically challenged and just plain brainwashed, my assault on Republicans AND conservatives is from their right. My grievance is it is they who are left from where I stand. Just how could I be a leftist when I am plainly the most anti State commenter posting here. I actually tone it down for the conformist minded when posting here. The State is the very essence of collectivism(leftism) and the tool they use to bring their Utopias into being.
And I give Bachmann a grudging pass cause she loudly opposed TARP. Big points in my book because capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without Hell. Think about that for a minute.
Government is nothing but a vast criminal gang. There are things you need them to do, usually involving force and violence, but allowing what is going on now(and past decades) is nothing short of the highway to totalitarian dark age, only with a smiley face instead of brown shirts.
We are too close to this to allow politics as usual and "flawed" candidates who don't understand this to blunder in the usual way. You might not be interested in the State, but it is keenly interested in you, to paraphrase Lenin. It isn't about right vs left, it about you vs the State. This is my sole criteria for support or hostility.
But I don't doubt your motives. Like me you love this country and want what is best. But cynical politicians have their own agenda and are gifted in the black art of manipulation of such an attitude. And I still say the die is cast, nothing will stop the reckoning that is coming. Especially farcical elections, and what else could '08 or a Romney/Obama '12 be?
Peace, Margie.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 6:23PM
Oh, you were talking about Newt, then sorry about that.
Even so, you think Herman Cain's not a true conservative, either.
I guess we always come to this same place when we chat, don't we?
The place of it's either total anarchy or nothing? I mean, what Ron Paul wants is the Utopia of all Utopias, isn't it? And isn't that really the same thing that the Left wants? (This is what I mean by how the Libertarians are Lefty-minded).
A World where drugs are free to use and anything else goes as well?
A World where we ignore the threat by terrorists and withdraw from every other nation?
I could go on.
You said:
"I've told you I was an arch conservative since '76 and played it just like you are now for years. Rabid(no offense)".
LOL, no offense taken. I like you, aware.
May God have mercy on our blessed country, may the anarchists lose, and may the conservatives win.
Peace. :^).
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 7:23PM
p.s. you said:
"Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without Hell."
WELL SAID. Heh, as in: there IS no Purgatory.
Indeed.
aware| 12.6.11 @ 7:07AM
I would say that Paul wants the place that DeTocqueville observed in "Democracy in America" instead of the Oceania of 1984.
The "conservatives" have won before and it didn't change the trajectory, only slightly velocity. This is as true now as it ever was. The Abyss yawns before us.
While I don't like Cain, I positively loath Gingrich. He is an opportunist of the first order. A statist through and through. He has amassed a fortune at the public trough just like the other parasites who pretend to be "servants" of the people they only want to rule. Because he is articulate feeble minded mistake it for intelligence. Like Obama. In his "service" he has become as bloated as his wallet. He should be cleaning toilets at public bathrooms while regaling his fellow janitors with high flown rhetoric if there were any justice.
Gary B| 12.5.11 @ 7:02AM
The left did their best to discredit Palin. They crawled through her trash looking for dirt. When they didn't find any they resorted to slander. She survives today because, unlike so many others, she's squeaky clean.
Did Cain really think thirteen years of remittances to a woman unknown to his wife would never get out? For a smart guy, he's really dumb. How can you run as a man of character when yours is lacking?
Of course, this is just one more in a long line of self-inflicted damage to the conservative cause. When will conservative candidates with something to hide stop wasting our time?
Now, that pompous ass, Newt, the quintessential DC insider, has floated to the top. Like every other fake Republican, Beltway lounge lizard, Newt is one who jumps at every chance he gets to reach across the aisle. God help us...
Seek| 12.5.11 @ 1:25PM
Sarah Palin isn't squeaky clean -- far from it. And if you read Joe McGinniss' recent book, which involved real investigative reporting (as opposed to fawning armchair puff jobs), you'd realize why she made so many enemies in her home state in so short a time. There was no mystery as to why she stepped down. Nobody liked her.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 1:37PM
See Romans 3:23, above.
Are YOU squeaky clean? No one is. The basis for forgiveness is repentance, and I know a repentant sinner when I see one, and Sarah Palin is an excellent example of a Christian.
"Nobody liked her." Unrepentant sinners usually hate repentant sinners.
It's just the way of the World. They hated Jesus without a cause as well, and crucified them. Jesus says the same thing will happen to those who choose to follow Him.
"If the world hates you, know that it has hated Me before it hated you." Jn. 15:18.
"Blessed are you when men hate you, and when they exclude you and revile you, and cast out your name as evil, on account of the Son of Man!" Lk. 6:22.
Sarah is hated by all the "right" people, and her reward is in Heaven.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 1:38PM
* should be, crucified Him, above. But they also "crucify" Christians today. Nothing's changed.
Purpleguy| 12.5.11 @ 9:01PM
Squeaky clean? With underage sex going on under her own roof and children out of wedlock? What a wonderful role model for motherhood. And as a politician? If only it were so - that all Republicants would follow her lead and quit 1/2 into their terms .
Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 12.5.11 @ 7:04AM
Heartbreaking to whom? If someone believed in him then perhaps they were not very bright as events revealed.
The Republican candidates appear good at peddling books.
What's another book peddler more or less?
canuckistani| 12.5.11 @ 11:53AM
As the above writers stated: you need a record of achievement in actually running government to run for president. I think it is pretty obvious now.
People on here have no idea how much a toadie board of directors will cover up if the CEO is making their numbers. Politics does not work that way. Errors cannot be equivocated in the political realm.
Newtie has a record, but he has a spectacular mass of dirt waiting to be unleashed if he ever gets to the general. Not sleazy sex stuff, but real abuses of power that led to his previous "retirement". The fact that Willard will not use them is revealing that the blowback on the GOP would be significant. The dems do not have that inhibitor.
BHO would be relishing a match between Newtie or even HC. Willard has the appeal to convince the snoozing middle to opt for him that BHO badly needs for reelection.
Drunken Sailor| 12.5.11 @ 2:02PM
Errors cannot be equivocated in the political realm.
Your joking right?
canuckistani| 12.5.11 @ 2:39PM
Not when you have the magnifying glasses of the media and the opposition on you.
Marco2| 12.6.11 @ 6:13PM
Absolutamente, bro! This know-nothing (beyond a good pizza recipe, perhaps) was an embarassment to the Republican Party's nominating process. Maybe a would-be presidential nominee should read a newspaper once in awhile, or buy a globe, before he throws his ignoramuse's cowboy hat into the ring (that goes for Perry as well). Adios, 999, and good riddance!
Edward Cropper | 12.5.11 @ 7:06AM
Herman Cain with all of his common man glow was out of his depth and woefully unprepared not only
for the White House but the campaign for the White House. Leo Durocher said nice guys finish last.
They also often don't have what it takes to finish first.
Timothy L. Pennell| 12.5.11 @ 7:11AM
There is no Heartbreak, in Herman Cain's destruction. And, that's what it was. There is only ANGER. At least, there should be.
Jennifer Flowers told the world, back in 1992, that she had carried on an 11 YEAR AFFAIR, with William Jefferson Blythe Clinton. She had TAPES. We heard the Tapes. He and his Mrs. had been Married for 12 Years, and this Democrat Presidential Nominee, had been SREWING AROUND on her, for 11 of them.
The Media SHRUGGED. 60 Minutes ran Interference for him. Bill Clinton became a Man we could all look up to. He had seen the light. The matter was over. The Woman, was just a SLUT.
Paula Jones came forward with a Lawsuit, against the Man who had seen the light. Apparently, Bill Clinton had one of his State Troopers (He was Governor of Arkansas at the time) ask Miss Jones to come to his Hotel Room. He didn't know her. They had never met, before. Upon entering the room, Bill Clinton pulled down his pants, exposed his Genitals, and told her to "KISS IT".
The case went to trial. The Democrat President LOST. He paid out $900,000 to Ms. Jones, AND he lost his Law License for 5 years, for giving False and Misleading Testimony (PERJURY) to the Jury.
The Media Shrugged. This was "Nobody's Business". This was "His Private Life". 'Who cares if he LIED under Oath?' "It was just SEX." The Woman was just a SLUT, and President Clinton's "Advisor" - James Carville - thoughtfully informed us all that: "That's what you get when you drag a Hundred Dollar Bill, through a Trailer Park." Again. The Media shrugged.
Even when the soon to be IMPEACHED, President Clinton, was accused of RAPE, by Quanita Brodrick, and of MOLESTING another woman - Kathleen Willey - on National Television - 60 Minutes, he was PROTECTED and DEFENDED. The women? A LIAR and a WHORE.
The RAPIST, and Serial Misogynist - Bill Clinton, was SHIELDED by the very same people who went after Herman Cain for what he really is, in their eyes: An Uppity Negro, who thought he could jump the Fence at the Liberal Plantation, and live his life, any damn way he wanted to.
This is why they don't want BLACK CHILDREN to get School Vouchers. This is why even the 1st BLACK PRESIDENT took away their School Vouchers. Because it is STILL Illegal, in the minds of the WHITE MASSAS, on the Liberal Plantation, to Teach a Slave to Read and Write. We can't have that. No Sir. We can't have that at all. And we won't have it. And, the rest of you Coloureds. You all might wanna take a lesson from all of this. Think twice, about gettin any crazy thought in your heads. The White Liberal is THE BOSS OF YOU, and that ain't never gonna change.
Herman Cain? Well, that Boy had to be taken down. That Boy needed to get his MIND RIGHT. Ya hear?
I don't watch ANYTHING on these Liberal Stations. Perhaps if we all turned them off, and stopped buying the products that they Advertise, and told these Companies that we no longer felt comfortable using a product from a Company that would do business with the FAR LEFT?
I'm just saying.
Mike 3/505| 12.5.11 @ 7:32AM
Well stated Tim!
Regards,
Mike
chuck| 12.5.11 @ 7:34AM
Spot on, one of your very best.
loulou| 12.5.11 @ 10:49AM
Ditto.
SUBVET| 12.5.11 @ 7:57PM
Tim your backround please ? How could one get to speak with you ? I have followed your comments at this site....I like your thinking.
Timothy L. Pennell| 12.6.11 @ 6:19AM
Give me your email address.
SUBVET| 12.6.11 @ 11:19AM
My Pleasure....rclandscape@hotmail.com
Mimi| 12.5.11 @ 7:59AM
Tim...Tell me, just how comfortable do the GOOD Black FOLKS who always voted Democrat before think NOW when one of their OWN, The BEST, be DESTROYED in his successful bid for the presidency....Will they ever wonder of what could have been? The DEM'S went too far...How many of their Black constituency will fly the coop? They SHOULD be mighty OUTRAGED and ASHAMED at what was done to HERMAN CAIN ! The Truth WILL come out!!!
Nancy in NC| 12.5.11 @ 8:19AM
As usual, right on target, Tim.
Just suppose for a second that none of the accusations again Herman are true. Can anyone prove that is not the case? The media did their usual hatchet job against someone who scared the daylights out of them.
Last month in DC I talked to a brilliant young man at the Americans for Prosperity summit in Washington. He believed that Herman was our best chance to beat Obama, as he would draw minority voters, the typical D voter. I think Herman scared the hell out of the Dims and the beltway GOP...a candidate they couldn't control or manipulate.
I wonder who is responsible for throwing him under the bus...the Dims or the GOP along with a media all too willing to attack a conservative, regardless of his race.
Can anyone imagine the media attacking Obummer like they did Herman?
Nancy in NC| 12.5.11 @ 8:24AM
I failed to mention that the young man was black.
Tina B| 12.5.11 @ 8:34AM
Timothy,
Well stated and well researched. We need this detailed reminder of the prostitute press on their way to destroying a once great and powerful nation. Just like the Sandusky affairs covered up by the Penn State "whores", BHO is totally covered by the press, covered up, that is. To the MSM: a highly paid whore is still a whore.
squalis| 12.5.11 @ 10:58AM
"I don't watch ANYTHING on these Liberal "Stations. Perhaps if we all turned them off, and stopped buying the products that they Advertise, and told these Companies that we no longer felt comfortable using a product from a Company that would do business with the FAR LEFT?"
Anyone remember Air America? Hopefully we will see the passing of the NY Times, SF Chronicle amd other such rags in the not too distant future. I would love to see the Huff POllutor go by the wayside as well.
Purpleguy| 12.5.11 @ 9:03PM
Remember the News of the World - a 100 year old news organization, killed by the fraud, corruption and sleezy tactics of the Rupert Murdoch boys? Can't wait to see Fixed News go the same route.
canuckistani| 12.5.11 @ 12:02PM
How do you explain those watching Faux News are less informed than people who don't watch anything? Because they are lying to you.
The country shrugged when Willie was impeached because they know the difference between a real scandal and a conjured one....and the GOP chose the nuclear option when their own closets were far from skeleton-free.
In the words of Michael Coleone: "senator, we are both part of the same hypocrisy...." In the words of Hyman Roth: "I didn't ask who gave the order, because it had nothing to do with business."
The American people, contrary to the hatriots on here, smell a rat, and the rats are the sinners in the GOP throwing rocks.
W| 12.5.11 @ 1:06PM
For the conjured scandal, slick Willie lost his law license as in disbarment, was fined $100,000 by a federal judge for perjury, paid $900,000 to Paula in a civil settlement,and was impeached. Gee, what would have happened to Willie if it was a real scandal, meaning he actually did lie, obstruct justice, and suborn perjury?
canuckistani| 12.5.11 @ 1:32PM
He's a global rockstar and hasn't practised law for over 30 years. Gee, I guess the disbarment was a fatal blow....
The GOP thinks they can play in major leagues, but they can't. This was just another overreach the American people have become accustomed to.
The impeachment ADDED to his mystique. the GOP came off as looking like skeezy creeps trying to get eveners for the wedgies they received in high school. Hyde was the skeeziest of them all.
Hillary stayed and Sanford, Ensign, Craig , Newtie and Vitter helped stanch the wound.
W| 12.5.11 @ 3:55PM
cannuck
You proved our point that the Dems don't care about perjury, disbarment, adultery, and impeachment. Those are job enhancers to you. To you Willie is a rockstar, "fatal blow.." bad choice of words.
Purpleguy| 12.5.11 @ 9:07PM
So where's your outrage on your own? Sanford, Ensign, Craig , Newtie and Vitter? Oh, and my favorites scum bags, Mark Foley the page molester, and Jack Abramoff the friend of the Republicant leadership in corruption junction. Do you know what Hypocrisy is? Thy name is Republicant.
W| 12.5.11 @ 10:14PM
Purp,
1. Did Sanford, Ensign, Craig, Vitter, or Newt rape a woman (Juanita Braderick)?
2 .Are you offended by Foley who was not accused of molesting a page, but of soliciting/talking on the phone, but not offended by Barney Frank and his boyfriend running a brothel out of Barney's apt, or of Rep. Gerry Studds actually molesting,not talking about it, pages?
3 .Vitter paid a prostitute. Have any Dems done that? Think hard, Purp, maybe Spitzer?
4. Sanford ran away with a woman. Stupid. Does that compare with rape, groping K. Willey in the White House, or dropping your pants for Paula Jones, or raping Broderick?
5. I am trying real hard to think but can't think of a Republican who left a woman to die by drowning while he swam away and met with his advisors for six hours to fabricate a story for Dem voters like you to belileve. Gee, do you know any Rep senators/presidential candidates who did this?
6. Your 2004 VP candidate is going to jail for using campaign funds to pay his girlfriend. At least Vitter used his own money to pay a prostitute. Jesse Jackson used Rainbow Coalition money to pay for his love child. Vitter used his own money.
7. What exactly did Newt do? He divorced twice and is now married to the woman he was having an affair with. I thought you Dems believe consensual affairs are ok, am I wrong? Didn't John Kerry divorce his first, and Algore is divorcing, and do you really beleive Bubba and Hillary are married?
8. Jack Abramoff got caught. Charlie Rangel did not pay his taxes , Tim Geithner did not pay his taxes, and both still serve. John Corzine just "lost" one billion and will proably be joining Abramoff.
You are trying the relativism game here bringing up minor league stuff when your party is the Major League.
rd| 12.5.11 @ 11:28PM
Thanks, W. That was a good run-down.
(To be honest, I still feel completely kicked in the gut over what Mark Sanford did to his wife and four boys and all those who trusted him.)
If we can keep a standard that says, "No, in this party we do not tolerate these behaviors, so don't even think it. If those are your proclivities in life, don't run, don't seek a role with us."
Regardless of how low into the gutter that Dems/liberals/socialists/NOW/PUSH/NAACP sinks, we need to say that "We'll have none of that here."
The public trust means one is man enough, mature enough, sober enough, and responsible enough to never ever break that trust.
And, if broken, the trespasser swiftly steps down/aside without being asked to do so.
The Knife| 12.5.11 @ 4:42PM
Anybody but Obama. Get over it, he is done.
Purpleguy| 12.5.11 @ 9:07PM
in your dreams.
W| 12.5.11 @ 10:15PM
Purpleguy,
Would you allow your daughter to work for Bubba?
chuck| 12.6.11 @ 12:01AM
Purpleguy is obviously a flaming homosexual, so you don't have to worry about him reproducing. Those "stupid" genes will disappear from the gene pool.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 1:51PM
Yeah. Old Hermie oughtta just "put some ice on it", and "Get over it", just like we should, right all you lowlife so-called conservatives?
Ya know, I despise the so-called conservatives~ both the writers here and a lot of the commentators who took part in his political demise. They make me even sicker than the outright Leftists liars and slanderers~ because they prance around as conservatives but they're nothing but WOLVES in sheep's clothing!
There's a reason God separates the sheep from the goats, and puts the sheep on His Right Hand, and the goats on His Left Hand, and then casts them into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his angels. Mt. 25:41.
I understand why He hates liars and throws them into Hell. Rev. 21:8.
Why? Because he is ANGRY at them, He HATES liars and slanderers.
Lying is something the Left does, we know that~ but
so-called conservatives? There's a HUGE division now. Between the Establishment "conservatives" willing to TRASH real conservatives simply because they aren't "their man", and those of us who LOVE THE TRUTH and are sick of this.
God bless Herman Cain.
Grzmlyk| 12.5.11 @ 1:53PM
Right on the money, Tim.
Sadly, the game is crooked. We are rubes on the midway, and the media-political complex are the carnies enticing us to step up to the ring toss and win a prize. The truth is, all of the political games in this particular carnival are rigged.
We live in a thoroughly corrupt country. The populace is either too stupid, too foolish, too corrupt or too fat and lazy to realize that, as a culture, we are now thoroughly immersed in a false consciousness. As a people, we now embrace a myth that is 180 degrees turned from the values that made America a great and good country.
Today, good is bad, up is down, in is out, right is wrong, equal treatment is bigotry, government is omniscient, and everybody, everybody who isn't a rube is on the take. America, as it is currently configured, disgusts me. There are not enough good and decent people to fight off the thugs and the crooks. Don't get me wrong - there are good and decent people; many of them post here on this Web site. But our numbers are dwindling even as the entitlement class metastasizes.
The result is that we have become a country of thugs and crooks, from the president on down to the welfare cheat I overhead at the grocery store yesterday. And, as such, we have, collectively, earned our fate.
Again, for anybody who says that America is a center-right country, I ask this: If that is so, how come we have have a far-left government and a far-left culture? What else remains? How does a center-right country allow itself to become a Leninist state?
We were handed a precious gift by our forebears, and we have dashed it against the rocks of moral vanity, greed, power lust and class envy.
The State is All (unless you're in on the theft of other people's money, nudge, nudge, wink, wind).
Anybody else hear the fat lady singing?
Simon Templar| 12.5.11 @ 5:21PM
Yeah, me.
Anthony| 12.5.11 @ 3:35PM
You are right Tim, the Rs are playing into the MSM's hands by handicapping all of our candidates, while they pick them off one by one. Meanwhile. The MSM hopes we will get sick of all of our candidates, in the meantime, Obozo and his corrupt presidency is not discussed.
We need to stop all this bs, ignore the pundits, the MSM, pick the most conservtive candidate running, and BEAT THE MUSLIM MARXIST.
Purpleguy| 12.5.11 @ 9:08PM
Going to get tired of your candidates? I thought that was history already.... lmao
PhilTheCapitalistPig| 12.5.11 @ 4:55PM
BOOOM!!!!
Good Stuff Tim
Occam's Tool| 12.7.11 @ 3:33PM
The problem you have, Tim, is that your solutions are hard and require work---"go to work," "marry your babymama or don't have babies in the 1st place," "Pay attention at school and learn subjects because they are hard."
Leftist scum don't believe that and ridicule actual achievement.
No, we still don't know facts| 12.5.11 @ 7:16AM
The author of this piece is assuming he knows why Cain is suspending or stepping aside. Does he really know? Do we? No, I don't think so.
It ain't the bimbos.
Folks, somebody offered bimbo number 5 (G. White) $75,000 cash for her to tell her story. She complied. Maybe it was just $65,000. She's in such desperate personal life ineptitude that she'd recant all if offered another $75,000.
We've turned running for the presidency or high office into a long version Jerry Springer episode.
Herman Cain may not be a saint when it comes to the ladies, but do we really think he's a serial philanderer now at age 65? Or is all this old baggage that amounts to unimportant freight in the last two decades of his life?
Did you jettison Ronald Reagan due to his binge drinking, drunkenness, carousing, and sleeping around prior to his first marriage?
He was our first divorced president; Americans overlooked this in November 1980.
Ponder that as you examine all the JKF paraphernalia in your life: US Mint coins, US postage stamps, memorabilia, history books, PT 109 lore. Thoughts of Camelot. Your smile when you think of his "Ich bin ein Berliner" speech. How many of us have used the "Ask not what...." phrase? (you have, haven't you)
Yet you know what JFK was -- before, on the campaign trail, and while in the White House.
Situational ethics? Situational standards?
Stooges all. Just like believing that Stacy McCain and Mike Rogers are friends.
Teaghan| 12.5.11 @ 7:28AM
It seems to me the 24/7 news coverage on television and radio showing this trash is to blame for the downfall of Herman Cain. And that last woman to be trotted out was truely pitiful. She was used like an old pair of shoes found in the back of the closet.
DGinGA| 12.5.11 @ 11:23AM
Where do you get your information that Ginger White was paid $75K to shaft Cain? It's not that I don't believe it, but I sure would like to know the source (and why she got so little).
canuckistani| 12.5.11 @ 12:14PM
We do know why Cain suspended his campaign: because he was revealed to be a clown.
As with Willie and Teddy and even RR, people don't care about the sin, they care about the response to the allegations. In Willie's case, the GOP spectaculary overreached to the point Willie was now the victim. Hillary stayed. That means a lot 11 years on.
In the case of RR, the allegations were from a time when everyone assumed Hollywood peeps were cellar-dwellers. AND RR had a real, recent record to camouflage ancient history.
For poor Herman, the two NRA cases were real, and guess what? HE HAD NO ANSWER PREPARED FOR THEM. People either now have scorn or pity for the man - and it's his incompetence at handling a tabloid fire that slayed him - not the facts of the case.
John Edwards could have pulled a Willie by framing the Rielle Hunter issue as a man in despair making a error by reaching out to another woman. Slim chance, but a possibility.
But his choice to hide it and even co-opt his aide to take the fall is what sealed it for the American people.
Mimi| 12.5.11 @ 6:42PM
Cain a man 65 years old....medical history of prostrate cancer...how in Gods earth could he possibly keep all those women HAPPY you doubters are CRAZY... He was deliberately destroyed....some people don't trust the process ....They all went overtime...Axelrod looked pale on T.V.....tired and ashamed for doing the DEVIL acts...I just hope before the vote in 2012 we have the proof...for a price some will talk! Who, What,Where and When and how much...sounds like a NEWS story for someone to BREAK !!!!
rd| 12.5.11 @ 11:31PM
Mimi, quite right. If a Pulitzer means something still (and is not a totally liberal dominated award), tracking down, getting facts, and publishing who did the hit job on Herman Cain has definite Pulitzer award winning potential.
Surely there are some savvy, smart nosed journalists out there who know how to follow a lead, yes?
Doctor Right| 12.5.11 @ 7:39AM
Whatever. This is how campaigns in primary season evolve.
Cain's crash is not the biggest disappointment so far. That dubious distinction still belongs to Ms. "Will she, won't she?" from Alaska, who strung her supporters along for 2 years with all types of media deals and high-profile appearances and then decided "No, thanks", leaving millions of hopeful Conservatives scratching their heads.
The 2nd biggest disappointment is the unwillingness of millions of GOP voters to support Michelle Bachman. Bachman's savvy and command of the issues is second-to-none. She's Conservative through-and-through, with a proven record, but to too many chauvinistic men and jealous women (yup, jealous), she's not good enough.
But she is good enough for Newt Gingrich, whom I predict will choose her as his running mate.
chuck| 12.5.11 @ 8:07AM
Gingrich-Bachman.........not a bad idea at all!
crystal ball| 12.5.11 @ 8:13AM
Doc R., I hope that you are prepared to realize that Obamster is going to usurp this woman on the ticket idea. He's dumping Joe B. Hillary will be the Veep candidate.
That's to solidify the women/libs/Billary crowd.
bluecollarbytes| 12.5.11 @ 1:59PM
Obama would never have it said he won a second term thanks to a Hillary running mate. Obama's course is already set- it will be racism and class warfare 'highlighted' by the occupiers' spring offensive, not a switcheroo.
Ryan| 12.5.11 @ 9:18AM
Bachmann has made too many factual errors. It has nothing to do with her record or being a woman - that's the leftist, victimist line. I'm uncomfortable with the way she has made up "facts" and is far too prone to exaggeration of party line numbers to make her points.
canuckistani| 12.5.11 @ 12:17PM
Identify one issue she is in command of?
None?
As suspected.
Doctor Right| 12.5.11 @ 1:26PM
Here's two (2):
Domestic policy.
Foreign policy.
As usual, you're a clown.
Please return to the 3rd-world cess-pool that spawned you.
Occam's Tool| 12.7.11 @ 3:35PM
Dr R---awesome as usual, pal.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 2:07PM
Sarah didn't "string" anyone along, because she never pretended anything. That's a bit lame, kiddo.
Stringing others along means DECEIT, and Sarah is not deceitful.
As to Michele Bachmann (correct spelling), I think you're right, and it's the same reason they hated Herman Cain~ simply that she's too conservative for the so-called conservatives~ the Establishment types~ and will not even give her a chance.
It's a sad state of affairs, and makes me wonder about a third party option. I've always been opposed to it, believing we could strengthen our party from within instead. But will we???
Doctor Right| 12.5.11 @ 4:12PM
Sorry, Margie, but we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
IMO, Palin played it beautifully to build her "brand."
Mission accomplished. But I don't think she ever had any intention of running.
And as far as I'm concerned, she's become an irrelevancy.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 5:28PM
Well, Dr. Right, as the saying goes, we're entitled to our own opinions, but not to our own facts.
I hope my IMO is right and your IMO is wrong. :^).
Simon Templar| 12.5.11 @ 5:51PM
You are both correct. Since we are making educated guesses about Sarah intentions and behavior could it not be that she was "considering" a run as she stated a dozen times which means thinking about it not saying I am going to run. She made it clear from the start she wanted to see what would happen and who would run. She saw.
What exactly did he see? She saw a MSM, a GOP, and a conservative voting block run like chickens with their heads cut off (literally) from one Flavor to another at the drop of a single MSM lame criticism, false allegation, and cocked up fabrication. Who the hell would want to join that circus?
She attempted to attack Obama not the candiadates and remained supportive to conservative ideas going around in the bus while the MSM dogs chased after it and barked. You know you loved every minute of it. So, what she has a brand? She is a political celebrity, a politician, a writer, and a consultant now. That is what they do if you want to remain influential and employed. What are we expecting, Mother Teresa?
If there is anyone to blame it is ourselves. We have not acted like conservatives but rather like a mob of dupes, idiots, chumps, and prima donnas.
None of these candidates can expect a full force defense of them from the opposition, a return fire, a demand for an apology, anything from the conservative movement or voting block.
The dems get away with anything they want to say, what they want to do, or how they act.
Ther is no need for a third party. We can not eeven manage this one. What the hell would be any different. Take control of this one.
Look at the Left. Learn something. They infiltrate the universities, they push their agenda, they control the media, they write they write the narratives, they speak with one voice, they resist cutting each other's throats, they stay focused, and define the language of political discourse. Apparently, it is now not Ok to say corporation and profit. Who gives them this power. Us.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 6:03PM
Yeah, I know, no third party. I'm just frustrated.. it's a temporary thing!
But we MUST keep fighting.. and now we know that the enemy isn't only the Democrats~ but those in our own party.
I mean, I knew there was the good old Establishment types, but it has become clear just how NASTY they truly are, and even call themselves Christian~ but are blatant liars and slanderers. (See below).
But this I know: that God is Just. And I won't EVER quit fighting, by the Grace of God.
martin j smith| 12.5.11 @ 7:39AM
So Stacy baby alllthat has to be done is to round of group of whoever and claim they were abused by whoever and that whoever is finished whether it is true or false.
Cain will do what he has to do--but as for me--I am not buyun it and also feel that even some Republican Establishment folk are behind this. They are not fond of the Tea Party I have heard.
Dial 1-888-HIT-JOBS| 12.5.11 @ 7:55AM
Give me $1.5 million up front, 24 handpicked men, some stealth tech devices, and just 16 weeks, and I'll have Candidate X, Y, or Z up on domestic violence, some kiddie porn, internet porn viewing, salacious phone conversations, questionable DVD rentals, hotel receipts, co-worker harassment, opposite sex flirting, and inappropriate touching allegations.
The dirt? (the 'paydirt')
It will be a solid mix of any 4 of the above. Maybe 5 of the 'offenses.'
Some of the smear and bribe money will be given directly to members of the media, both old and new.
This is childs play when I can take target candidate X, Y, or Z who is now 56 or 58 years old and so easily play -- loose and fast -- with "facts" plucked from events over 8, 12, and 16 years ago.
canuckistani| 12.5.11 @ 12:18PM
BHO is the 14 point buck for the GOP and they have dug up ZERO in his short public life.
Perhaps the $1.5M is your discounted price?
Doctor Right| 12.5.11 @ 1:30PM
Riiiiiiiight.
Aside from his utter lack of qualifications, his hard-left associations, his lack of citizenship, and his past positions on "the issues", we have nothing on "BHO."
14-point buck? He's an inarticulate, bumbling fawn propped-up by the media. Gingrich will shred him in debates.
canuckistani| 12.5.11 @ 2:47PM
How will he do that?
After taking Fannie/Freddie money, doing photo ops with Nancy, and the right wing social engineering shot, it's opposition gold.
With real Jews calling BHO the best friend of Israel, Newtie has nothing to stand on other than fundamentally, frankly and oh, what was the third thing? Something about the Sam Rayburn era....as the record skips.
Occam's Tool| 12.7.11 @ 3:38PM
Real Jews calling BHO the best friend of Israel...Real Jews, my ass.
Dick Nome | 12.5.11 @ 3:55PM
Obama is a spike buck. SO far the zero is because it's all hidden. What we do know is pretty frightening.
Occam's Tool| 12.7.11 @ 3:38PM
Dug up zero?
His mentor was a commie, he started his career in the home of two terrorists, his pastor is an America hating antisemite, he bought his home with the intervention of a convicted felon (Rezko)---name me a Conservative candidate with, say, David Duke as his mentor and the Waco cult leader's house as the place he would start his campaign who would have survived.
The MSM covered for him as well as they did FDR's paralysis.
loulou| 12.5.11 @ 10:51AM
Karl Rove and Company are behind this.
Prester John| 12.5.11 @ 7:47AM
The problem is that if Cain hadn't dropped on Saturday, within a week they would've trotted out a woman who claimed that Cain had raped her.
And if that didn't work they'd find someone to say they saw him at Penn State molesting little boys.
He obviously scared the you know what out of somebody.
I sincerely hope that he follows through with his attorney's statement that they are going to find out who was behind all of this regardless of whether or not he was guilty.
Gary B| 12.5.11 @ 7:53AM
Good luck with that. Aren't the usual suspects always behind this type of stuff?
chuck| 12.5.11 @ 8:09AM
Romney, no doubt.
Prester John| 12.5.11 @ 8:19AM
...or the DNC, or the White House, or the RNC, or the race baiting industry, or the media.
Or maybe all of the above?
talkradio55| 12.5.11 @ 11:41AM
The Obama regime have their fingerprints all over this. Anyone remember Jack Ryan?
canuckistani| 12.5.11 @ 12:21PM
Yeah, I remeber it was his wife Seven of Nine that ended that bid.....
There is no way that the WH would ever want the travelling circus this GOP nom has become to EVER end. This is entirely an internecene battle.
The Bruce| 12.5.11 @ 4:29PM
I was thinking it was the Perry camp. Seems too much of a coincidence that Curt Anderson, who once worked for Cain's failed Senate race and knew of one of the allegations, joined Perry's presidential campaign and then, as if by magic, the allegation is leaked to the media a week later???
Drunken Sailor| 12.5.11 @ 10:38AM
Axelrod's fingerprints are all over this. First accuser was from Chicago. This is just like Obama's Senate race when all the dirt on the Ryan divorce was drug out of court sealed records. It stinks of Chicago politics.
loulou| 12.5.11 @ 10:52AM
Could it be Axelrod AND Rove?
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
canuckistani| 12.5.11 @ 12:25PM
Was it Axelrod that chose Keyes as his replacement? Nope.
They were divorced in California and it was a 27-year tenured judge that agreed to unseal the records. Hardly an Axelrod wetwork.
Drunken Sailor| 12.5.11 @ 2:12PM
And that judge was who? Judge Robert A. Schnider.
"Schnider first joined the bench in 1981, when he was appointed as a commissioner, and has heard family cases since that time. Then-Gov. Gray Davis appointed Schnider, a Democrat, to the Superior Court in 2002, and the jurist later served as supervising judge of the family law departments from 2005 until the beginning of this year."
That's right folks, A Gray Davis appointee and a Democrat but I'm sure he was impartial.
And lets not forget it was the Chicago Tribune that sought to have the divorce records released. Who do we know that worked at the Chicago Tribune that might do Obama a favor back then?
If you answered David Axelrod, you get a gold star.
Try again Canuck
canuckistani| 12.5.11 @ 3:08PM
Axelrod picked Keyes?
As for the judge, was his ruling reversed? Nope.
Perhaps it was the leftist union of judges again....
Gary B| 12.5.11 @ 7:50AM
The history lesson is great. And, yup, no doubt about it. Actual conservatives are held to a higher standard and liberals are protected. Knowing that, why would somone with baggage in the closet ignore the world as we know it and think he or she could slip through?
I had pinned my hopes on Cain due mostly to his good character. Either the stories hold some truth or he made a stupid mistake. One is almost as bad as the other.
I say again, the upshot is that Cain wasted our time. And, as we've seen, like a buoyant turd, Newt has floated to the top. Stip away the self-important theorizing and he's Romney light.
canuckistani| 12.5.11 @ 12:40PM
Cons are held to higher standard because they chose these windmills to tilt at.
When Ensign is outed as a sleaze, the GOP does nothing. When Craig is charged, the GOP does nothing. When Newtie - a sitting speaker- dumps his wife for Callista, the GOP does nothing. When Vitter is a sleaze, the GOP does nothing.
Get your house in order first.
Throwing grenades from the rear is easy. And the GOP sure loves easy.
albert constantine jr.| 12.5.11 @ 11:34PM
Actually, I think if you check, when Newt's affair was exposed in December of 1998, he resigned as Speaker of the House.
nister| 12.5.11 @ 8:01AM
Cain proclaimed that God directed him to run. Either he lied, or he defies God by his cut and run.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 2:10PM
That is so stupid a comment. Really nister~ do you actually believe what you just wrote?
nister| 12.5.11 @ 2:37PM
Cain's own words, Margie. What conclusion do you draw?
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 2:50PM
First of all, when did he say that? And if he did, so what?
His dropping out of the race due to the majority of his backers taking their support away from him doesn't make him a liar, nor a "defier" of God.
Mike Rogers | 12.5.11 @ 8:04AM
So now I know the other half of the story as to why Stacy was in a car being driven home at high speed by his son, while just happening to reminisce about our experiences on the Cain Train - he had a deadline to meet!!
Hmm - my name in lights far beyond the "Other McCain" Family Christmas tree!
Aside from the minor fact that it took a year of chance and intentional encounters to move from "highly impressed" to "Herman must be President", this is bang on.
Now we look at the poor choices and wonder how we'll ever roll beck the leviathan:
The man who has run for 5 years without exceeding 25% likeability.
The professor so mercurial that he is described as a "volcano of ideas".
The states' rights governor who embraced crony capitalism.
The strict constitutionalist who (a) blames America for terrorism, and (b) isn't so clean himself: http://spectator.org/archives/...
The two moralizers fighting over Iowa, of which Santorum has at least a chance for an upset.
The other smarmy Mormon governor (it's not the religion, it's the smarm).
The truly unknown but very interesting conservative from LA - Buddy Roemer.
The vanishingly low-profile governor from the Southwest who just took his toys home and threatened a run as Libertarian instead.
As someone said in response to the Huck forum - can't we draft one of those three AG's instead?
Could the convention be so F---ed up that Palin could be nominated by acclaim?
gary siebel| 12.5.11 @ 8:10AM
Ever hear of Tiger Woods? Guys who repeatedly go to Vegas w/o their wives are automatically suspect.
I asked how many affairs Cain had because I have seen how vulnerable evangelicals and women (et al) are to Cain's type of voice. Bass and baritone are both panty droppers. The rest of us have to work harder at it.
So, on to the next philanderer.
Derek Leaberry| 12.5.11 @ 8:16AM
That so many conservatives fell for Herman Cain, whose conservatism was immature and not vigorously thought out, is troubling. In comparison, Ronald Reagan had fleshed out a mature conservative philosophy in the twenty-five years preceding his election as president in 1980, served two terms as governor of the nation's largest state and had run an inspiring run for president in 1976 against an incumbent president. Herman Cain was no Ronald Reagan nor any sort of fascimile.
rd| 12.5.11 @ 8:56AM
DL, I think you are missing the point. No one is comparing Cain to Reagan. What the discussion is hinging on is this: Reagan was allowed to run. He wasn't run off the stage/outright disqualified because of his life and lifestyle prior to 1963 or 1967. California was a much more conservative (clear thinking) state during Reagan's first term as governor. California is a far different place today, as evidenced by what the GOP fronts as statewide candidates now. (Schwarzenigger never would have been a topic as candidate in the 60's, 70's or 80's.)
Additionally: Would that many of our candidates could be so old and simultaneously vigorous in mind and body as Ronald Reagan was in 1980 and again in 1984. I am a believer in wisdom, wisdom gained through long decades of failures, setbacks, and having lived history. There is no substitute for experience.
(Why I am saying "Please wait! Let them age!" on people like Rand Paul, Rep. Paul Ryan, and Marco
Rubio)
Sadly, it is the rarity to find a candidate still willing to run yet so full of life, great ideas, real conservatism, and vigor as the Gipper in 1980.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 2:14PM
How exactly was Herman Cain's conservatism "immature?"
Have you never heard the man speak? Do you know nothing of his accomplishments, how he thinks and what he believes?
Perhaps it is because you are another Ron Paul follower that you don't consider him conservative enough.
oldfart| 12.5.11 @ 8:27AM
I am sure that there were literally hundreds of investigators combing every aspect of Mr. Cain's life. I wonder if any politician, of either party, could withstand such scrutiny for any little crumb or past associate who wants their thirty seconds of fame to trash another person’s life. Would JFK, LBJ or Barney Frank have survived such an investigation before they were first elected to public office?
The Bruce| 12.5.11 @ 4:59PM
Well, of course not. However, due to their party affiliation, no such investigative scrutiny would be applied to them. Case-in-point, Barack Hussein Obama.
Louis Jenkins| 12.5.11 @ 8:44AM
To say the least I am disappointed. And also disappointed that Cain has threw his weight behind Mr. Gingrich who also happens to be a friend. In the old days a black man messing around with white women would not have been tolerated, and in some instances that is still true. Now Newt's neck is on the chopping block. I am waiting to see what, in addition to his already odd assortment of previous baggage, the MSM will come up with next. It's going to boil down to Romney vs Obama, and I for one am going to puke.
oldfart| 12.5.11 @ 9:53AM
I heard that - we don't need another BO vs McCain election.
canuckistani| 12.5.11 @ 12:42PM
Too late.
The Bruce| 12.5.11 @ 5:00PM
Well, unfortunately, we're going to get it. After all it's "his turn."
SUSEYQUE| 12.5.11 @ 8:55AM
Long-time political consultant, Rich Galen, had this to say about Cain. "I personally believe, from the beginning that Cain was a fraud" Cain had no intention to present new idea and a personal vision for the nation, but to sell books and raise speaking fees. One cannot suspend a campaign, that is a political term and not a legal term. In fact, a campaign can't "terminate" without the permission of the Federal Election Commission. It gave Cain a soft landing.
His 9-9-9 plan was simple enough for him to have memorize - it is, after all, three syllables - but when he began to rise in the polls and had to defend it, he seemed to have no idea it would pile a federal sales tax on top of state and local sales taxes already in place.
What chutzpah...for Cain to say he was going to "endorse" a candidate! I doubt if any candidate would seriously want his endorsement. Yes, this man was successful in pulling the wool over our eyes. It's rather scary, don't you think!
rd| 12.5.11 @ 9:02AM
I think that, like so many others, you never heard Herman Cain do a 2 or 3 hours on the radio. Fixate on 3, 4, and 5 years ago. Long before there was a Cain 2012 movement.
If you are any kind of conservative, you'd be listening, asking yourself who is this guy, turning up the volume, listening some more, making note of his name, and resolving to find out who Cain is and what's he doing now.
Say circa 2007. While driving south on I-95 towards Florida with the AM radio in the car on.
You'd say, "Hey! I like this guy; I like what he's saying." And you'd make it a point to listen to him again at next opportunity.
Dig up some old MP3 files. You'll see what I'm talking about.
BILL| 12.5.11 @ 9:49AM
I agree with rd, 100%. Herman Cain was no conservative, he looked for opportunity (considering the Tea Party led revolution in the 2010 mid-term election) and proclaimed himself as a Tea Party candidate, and jumped into the GOP race. He was never elected and has never done anything to help elect any conservative candidate in the 2010 mid-term election, he was hiding in his banker, hoping to grab a proper momentum for his presidency run in 2012. Cain failed because he was phony and disgrace.............
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 2:47PM
Bill:
You are so busy trashing Herman Cain you read what you want to see.
rd did NOT say what you think he said.
Get REAL.
Bill| 12.5.11 @ 3:29PM
At least. I was right about Herman Cain..........
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 3:54PM
Actually, you lied about Herman Cain, and continue to do so.
The truth isn't something you have ever expressed in the matter.
Troll.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 4:05PM
For example this:
bill| 12.3.11 @ 7:44PM
Had Herman Cain won the GOP race, he would have lost to Obama in a landslide. His babies would have come forward and have destroyed his bid, making Obama a shoe-in president..................
rd| 12.5.11 @ 5:12PM
Thank you, Margie. Bill did not read what I wrote above. You are correct. A short synopsis is: Long before there was a glimmer of a national campaign run for Herman Cain, we all had the chances to learn about him via radio broadcasts.
I'm not sure if it is the first time I heard him on radio, but I do remember Herman Cain sitting in for Niel Bortz. And I thought, "Hey, this is great! Hopefully Bortz is on a three week trip and this man Herman Cain sits in every day for the next 14 broadcasts."
Bill, I hope you understand. Cain articulated many, many things that true conservatives believe in those radio opporunities, and he articulated them very well.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 2:28PM
Amen, rd!
I heard Herman on the radio several months ago, as he was sitting in for another host, I can't remember which one. We had just moved out of state and I was searching the dial for conservative radio.
I had NEVER heard of Herman Cain before. I DID turn up the volume, and I DID say out loud, "Who IS this guy?!" He reminded me of Ronald Reagan very much in his spirit and attitude and his belief in the American way.
I was psyched when I found out he was going to run for Prez.
How sad (and utterly disgusting) that not only the Left brought him down~ but MOST of all men and women on our side have taken part in it.
I for one have a renewed hatred for the liars on our own side who present themselves as conservative but seek to DESTROY our own. I say that it's about time we stop allowing the Establishment Repubbies to speak lies and innuendo when there is no evidence. We need to root out these people~ every time a writer writes or a commentator comments a falsehood or an unsubstantiated claim~ they need to get a taste of their own medicine, but that medicine will be the TRUTH~ and a requirement of them to speak it.
It's going to be up to us.
And Rich Galen's just another Establishment Republican, and a liar.
For him to say what he said about Herman Cain~ I am calling him a blatant liar, and an idiot.
ole meanie| 12.5.11 @ 9:44AM
Watch Cain with the volume off; he has mastered the expressions and the moves to sugggest that he is a commanding figure. Listen with the sound on, and hear the weakness.
He even delivered his capitulation in stentorian tones. Cain's dropout was ignominious. He calls himself a "fighter" and denies the sexual allegations, but does not fight them. He waffles and weasels, and withdraws from the field of battle. Now he will go back to the safety of being a media star, where he controls the forum and will have to answer no more questions.
Conservatives keep backing strange candidates. A while back, it was Christine ODonnell, then it became Sarah Palin, and recently it was Herman Cain. Such people are convinced that any unflattering view of their candidates is a personal attack on their own "values", and worse an assault on the continued existence of the Republic. They are too easily had by anyone who can criticize Obama, Washington DC, Democrats, or liberals in pithy slogans or sound bites.
Anthony| 12.5.11 @ 9:05AM
Ya gotta hand it to the Left, with them, it's always "heads I win, tails you lose".
While the Left and their allies in the MSM (Politico, Allred) did all they could to destroy Mr. Cain, unfortunately, Mr. Cain's last disclosure was his downfall.
But you just have to admire the gall of the Left. They chastised us for loving Mr. Cain, claiming that we were using him as a shield against our innate racism, yet they were the ones who helped destroy his candidacy.
Notice no stories about Obozo's sexual escapades, including disclosures of homosexual behavior.
We can only save America by defeating the Left. They, and their allies in the MSM are dangerous.
BackToBasics| 12.5.11 @ 9:24AM
The template to destroy any promising male conservative has been set. If one emerges 4 or 8 or 12 years from now and he is squeaky clean, false claims will be made against him, the trash talkers will be believed and he will be gone.
The template to destroy a conservative woman has also been set. Attack her family, especially her children or grandchildren and her intelligence.
It's sickening to see!
Gary B| 12.5.11 @ 10:31AM
But Palin wasn't destroyed. Can you imagine how frustrating that must be for the left and the enemedia?
canuckistani| 12.5.11 @ 12:43PM
Palin wasn't destroyed? She is not a viable candidate for any office.
She is a media clown, now.
Seek| 12.5.11 @ 1:29PM
Palin was a clown from the very beginning. And she used her family, shamelessly, as political props. It wasn't the media who made her family an issue; it was Palin herself.
BackToBasics| 12.5.11 @ 1:49PM
My point was not about Palin per se. My point is that a template has been set for either sex if they are conservative enough and show some real promise.
I was not a strong supporter of Palin simply because I did not think she could win. I did beleive thatCain could have won.
If a politician is reasonable when he or she speaks of family love and has a few pictures taken; I do not see this as making them props. What is unreasonable is the way John Kerry, himself, used his service in Viet Nam as a prop ad nauseum.
rd| 12.5.11 @ 5:28PM
Sarah Palin never used her son who was serving in the Alaska National Guard (and called to active duty deployment).
Back2Basics, you are correct. There is a "here is how to defeat them template" used by Democrats, leftists, libs, socialists, MoveOn, SEIU, and cocktail party Republicans.
As for Sarah Palin and family, say what? (directed at Seek) The media smacked her down right away by saying that Trig is not her child. They hammered away at Bristol. They tried to turn that ne'rdowell
Lots of women (real women) more define themselves through their families. That is what real womanhood is. Not pantssuit forever types that want to tell you how nuanced they are on esoteric policies A, B, and C while bragging about their Ivy League pedigrees.
Think: Todd Palin's incredible reticence. Think how that compares with Hillary when Bill Clinton was front and center in campaign year 1992. Her mouthy mouth was everywhere. Even more so in 1996. Almost the same with Michelle three years ago.
The media forced a spotlight on the Palin family. I mean, has your daughter who is not yet 14 years old been the subject of a David Letterman very crude and perverted joke? So, what did the Palins do? They were and have been themselves. And, truth be told, many Americans like them for exactly who they are.
Truth be told: Most Americans wish they had a family like the Palin family.
Most teens wish they had someone like Sarah and Todd as their parents.
Gary B| 12.5.11 @ 6:28PM
Exactly. What do Sarah Palin, Donald Trump, Joe the Plumber and Steve Wynn have in common? They speak about what the rest of us are thinking. They all made an instant connection with conservatives and anyone else who goes to work ever day..
What are the other candidates speaking about? They're following the advice of their campaign consultants... you know, the experts. How's that working for them?
Anyone who makes an instant connection with millions of voters is not a clown. They're a force to be dealt with.
BackToBasics| 12.5.11 @ 8:40PM
I agree, rd. More than ever, the leftists and even the RINOs, Republican Establishment and commenters on this and other websites don't even try to hide their biases against conservatism, traditions, the constitution and Christianity anymore.
Also, at the top levels, all policies are trial ballooned no matter how outlandish. There are so many voices and ideas; almost none of them are grounded in patriotism, traditions and the Bible. When someone does come along, he is attacked quickly and without remorse.
Your comments about the Palins as good parents are true. A young person like Bristol Palin may stray a little but she will be back on course before too many years go by. Many of the teens who didn't have good parents like Sarah and Todd Palin are, when they get older, the ones are the most opposed and angry towards conservative candidates.
BackToBasics| 12.5.11 @ 1:59PM
I'll add that even if a man was squeaky clean, he'd be set up much the way I beleive Cain was. A shortened version here along similar lines as was already demonstrated against Cain.
In either in a private or a political job:
Human Reources: You say you were sexually harassed. What happened?
Woman: It's so painful I cannot even talk about it.
HR: Did he touch you or was he very agressive.
Woman: Not overtly, but it's just so painful. I've contacted a lawyer through the union.
HR: So, you'd definitley say it was sexual harrassment.
Woman: Yes, Yes, I was so uncomfortable. It most definitely was.
HR: Okay, we'll look into it and take care of you. ou don't have to come forward publicly.
Ten years later: Allegations were made against......that were not exactly of an overt sexual harrassment case, but the anonymous accuser(s) were said to be most uncomfortable......
BILL| 12.5.11 @ 9:29AM
Herman Cain was a flawed candidate, and had no knowledge on fiscal and foreign policy. Presidency requires character, charisma, records, and resources. He lacked all of them. Americans were eluded by his 9-9-9 plan, but it evaporated quickly as Americans learned about his faulty character and his denial on those sexual charges without any counter evidence. At the end, Politico won and Cain lost because Cain never told us the truth. Presidency is a serious job, there is no place for surprise or phony popular personality (as Herman Cain built his campaign based on political rhetoric rather solutions and records), his momentum collapsed because he lacked conviction and had no prior political experience.
Cain's departure is a blessing to the GOP field, we can now focus on other solid conservative candidates like Rick perry, Michelle Bachmann, Rick Santorum, and unify the GOP voters to help defeat Obama in 2012.
Lady Gaga offered Herman Cain a job in her upcoming music video, 9-9-9.........................
Herman Cain wanted fame, he got his 15 minutes of shame.
Cain is a kiss of death!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Bruce| 12.5.11 @ 5:14PM
"...but it evaporated quickly as Americans learned about his faulty character and his denial on those sexual charges without any counter evidence."
1) You're assuming his character is faulty.
2) Now how on Earth do you propose he "prove" he didn't do it? Last I checked, the burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused.
BILL| 12.5.11 @ 9:31AM
Herman Cain Bows out.
OH! THANKS HEAVEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BILL| 12.5.11 @ 9:50AM
PLEASE HELP ELECT RICK PERRY.
PLEASE HELP DEFEAT BARACK OBAMA!
Gary B| 12.5.11 @ 10:37AM
Perrry needs to make himself the drill-here-drill-now candidate. He also needs to keep hammering the Tenth Amendment. I worry that his advisors are establishment types bent on subtle sabotage. No kidding. Every one of these consultants keeps advising conservative candidates to appeal to moderates, which, of course, instant death.
canuckistani| 12.5.11 @ 12:45PM
With NG at a decade low, name me a major energy company looking to invest even more dough in a saturated market?
You can't.
Occam's Tool| 12.7.11 @ 3:40PM
The group investing in Leviathon, Canuck.
George S| 12.5.11 @ 9:51AM
You think the Left is going to lie down and watch the people take back their government? Cain should have known better; the game is dirty and he didn't apply the appropriate action for someone who has issues in his past. What should he have done? For starters, he should have hired someone who would, for example, break into the house of an accuser and wait in the dark until she got home and remind her that she is not being mindful to her health. Or leave a pet cat dead on the deck ala Kathleen Willey. If you are unwilling to engage on that level, you will not make it if you have skeletons in the closet. The only way to keep that closet door closed is to instill fear into the heart of anyone who dares peek inside. Cain miscalculated and figured his past wouldn't be material. Bad tactical error, hence he doesn't deserve the presidency.
Gary B| 12.5.11 @ 10:40AM
A better approach is to not have any baggage in the closet. What a concept!
Kingofthenet| 12.5.11 @ 11:58AM
So you want John Wayne Gacy as a GOP Candidate? Sounds about right...
Vern Crisler| 12.5.11 @ 12:18PM
George S is being sarcastic. These were the tactics the Clintonistas used against bimbo problems.
Vern Crisler| 12.5.11 @ 12:19PM
Of course, you also might be indulging in sarcasm?
The Bruce| 12.5.11 @ 5:18PM
A mobster walks in and says, "Nice face ya got there. Pity if sum'fin was to... happen to it."
Seize the higher ground| 12.5.11 @ 5:39PM
Except that Ginger White doesn't have a nice face. Not at all. She's pig ugly. What's up with everyone? Why can't anyone say, "Wwwwwaaiit a Second! Ginger White doesn't even look feminine. How is any man ever going to be interested in her?"
George S., sarcasm, no? Maybe? Please. The ends don't justify the means. We don't need Camorra mafia tactics employed here.
What we need is perspective. You are also falling for the trap that these allegations against Cain are even 15-20% true.
Just as you probably gave some credence to the Aqua Buddha allegation. Remember that just 11 short months ago?
The Bruce| 12.5.11 @ 7:16PM
I was obviously joking. Didn't you get that?
martin j smith| 12.5.11 @ 10:05AM
Every candidate -EVERY --one of them are'FLAWED" candidates. The idea that some do ot get is simple: Get even minor dirt on some one or none at all--create dirt, magnify it through the media and then you have a problem. I am no judge of Cain or any of "our candidates" what I think many fail to grasp is EVERY CANDIDATE-is subject to not scrutiny--but smear.
You know it would be funny if Palin got nominated at the convention because if anyone was given a tremendous amount of smears it was she. This is a serious "game" being played any many even Stacy Baby6do not grasp it or maybe they have some other motive ( who knows )--in any event --"Thats Entertainment"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bill| 12.5.11 @ 10:10AM
Rick Perry is not a flawed candidate. He is a solid conservative with proven records and solutions. He will scare Obama to death, that's why liberal media keeps attacking on Rick perry, demonizing the American people, and lying about the Obama administration's waste, fraud, abuse, and lies. Americans will rise and defeat Obama in a lndslide.
Vern Crisler| 12.5.11 @ 12:20PM
But he can't debate....a fatal flaw for any candidate.
Bill| 12.5.11 @ 12:34PM
But he is a solid conservative..........
canuckistani| 12.5.11 @ 12:53PM
Executive mandates and soft on illegals stances are not conservative.
Texas has benefitted greatly from Federal pork and an enormous reliance on defense spending lays his con cred bare.
Bill| 12.5.11 @ 3:33PM
Rick Perry spent $400 millions of state money, and sent the TX National Guard in the border to fight against the invaders and to protect Americans. Gov. Perry never accepted a dime from the federal money.
The Bruce| 12.5.11 @ 5:22PM
He spent State dollars to provide discounted (or free) college education to illegal immigrants, apparently to prepare them for jobs they couldn't legally take.
Conservative? Oh, that's right. That's called "Compassionate" Conservativism. The kind of conservativism that really isn't so much. No thanks. We had eight years of that.
bill| 12.5.11 @ 10:21AM
Herman Cain is joining the Haus of Gaga for the upcoming music video, 9-9-9..........................
Herman Cain + Lady Gaga = Bill Clinton
bill| 12.5.11 @ 10:33AM
My Dream GOP Team for 2012:
President: Rick Perry
VP: Rick Santorum
AG: Michelle Bachmann
Treasury: Paul Ryan
Any one agree with me?
Gary B| 12.5.11 @ 10:42AM
Yup. I do 100% with the addition of John Bolton as Secretary of State.
Bill| 12.5.11 @ 12:11PM
My Dream GOP Team for 2012:
President: Rick Perry
VP: Rick Santorum
AG: Michelle Bachmann
Treasury: Paul Ryan
Secretary of State: Rudy Giuliani
Any one agree with me?
canuckistani| 12.5.11 @ 12:56PM
Nope.
Ryan voted for TARP, which means he is a Wall Street toadie. Between Paulson and Geitner, the American people have been sitting ducks.
Rudy a sec state would require him to speak about more than 9/11 and Israel. He can't.
Bachmann as anything other than a mid-west clown terrifies me. She'd be worse than Ashcroft with her folksy subversions.
Bill| 12.5.11 @ 2:28PM
My Explanation:
Rick Perry got elected three times in a big state like TX, and he governed TX on conservative principle, freedom, free-enterprise, and limited government.
Paul Ryan crafted the "Ryan Plan", solving the entitlement and the debt issue.
Rudy Giuliani saved NY city and will do the same for America.
Michelle Bachmann, the queen of the Tea Party, is a warrior and will never surrender to the liberal Satan.
Perry, Ryan, Giuliani, Bachmann, INVINCIBLE...
canuckistani| 12.5.11 @ 3:14PM
If anything other than good infantry has come from Texas, that's news to me.
Name one bill Bachmann has written? None? Figured. Her spectacular fails on foreign policy - her being a member of the Intelligence Committee after all - zeroes her out on that front. Add it to her vacuous legislative record, she is a minus.
Newtie called Ryan prop "right-wing social engineering". Since he is the sage brain of the GOP, he must be right.
This congress voted AGAINST the BBA. How is it possible Ryen et al could get a more amenable congress to go along?
Bill| 12.5.11 @ 3:35PM
All but only four Republicans voted for the BBA and for the Ryan Plan. All the Republicans members are for the BBA and for the Ryan Plan, it;s the Democrats who sabotaged the process.
Occam's Tool| 12.7.11 @ 3:41PM
Bolton for SecState.
Clint| 12.5.11 @ 10:53AM
Has Cain Sold Out To The RINO-CINO Agenda To Endorse RINO-CINO Gingrich ?
Gingrich shags a House staff member, while married to another woman, divorces his wife, marries the broad he was shaggin' & rises in the polls.
Cain shags an employee, stays with his wife and walks.
We Are Being Set Up By RINO-CINO Flunkie Stooges.
These Are The RINO-CINO Flunkie Stooges Who Gave Us The Serial Traitor To Conservatism, John McCain Of McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy,McCain-Lieberman,Gang Of 14, Opposing Bush Tax Cuts Of 2001 & 2003,TARP.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Sean| 12.5.11 @ 11:16AM
So Cain took this woman to a Tyson fight. Gave her money and his wife didn't know anything about it. He did it all because he is such a nice guy. He called this woman at all hours because that is what a married friend does.,
thermonuclear tactics at work| 12.5.11 @ 5:49PM
Sean, what are you really saying? Aren't you doing some very heavy assuming. This is assuming that you believe telephone records resurrected from, what, 8 or 9 years ago. Maybe 10 or 11?
Just who exactly dug out these telephone records? And, presuming that someone could legitimately dig them up and print them clearly, what's to say they've not been massively tampered with?
Was Herman Cain texting 8 or 9 years ago? Very unlikely. Most men his age weren't and were completely uninterested.
And you are believing the stories that Gloria Cain did not know about things. Why do you hands-down believe this? Has Gloria Cain personally or in Gretta Van Sustren interview told you this?
Two weeks ago you did not even know who a Ginger White is. Today you attribute to Ginger White every integrity known to man. Why?
Today you don't question anything. You just accept what is spoon fed to you. What's wrong with your Agatha Christie thinking?
Sean| 12.6.11 @ 8:58AM
Yeah we can give Cain every benefit of the doubt. Except I saw Cain lie on multiple occasions. He is not very trustworthy.
Casey Abell| 12.5.11 @ 11:39AM
My heart remains unbroken. Cain had no business running for President. If McCain liked him, swell. I thought Herman was pretty creepy. And clueless.
Bill| 12.5.11 @ 11:45AM
Herman Cain was disgrace and clueless, selling his book instead of campaigning, because he knew he was a sex addict, and that he knew he would have never won the GOP race, just sabotaging the GOP field and helping Obama get re-elected.............
Cain's plot has foiled.......................
Seek| 12.5.11 @ 1:31PM
But admit it -- his voice has a remarkable resemblance to that of Samuel L. Jackson.
Bill| 12.5.11 @ 3:37PM
That's why Cain is joining the Haus of Gaga, for the music video, 99999999999999.................
chuck| 12.5.11 @ 7:21PM
You know, that isn't really funny, wasn't the first time, and isn't now either, was is it now, the 14th time?
The Bruce| 12.5.11 @ 7:21PM
So now we're making the giant leap to sex addict?
I hereby accuse you of being a serial rapist. It must be true. After all the charge was just made. Because nobody ever lies, right?
Bill| 12.5.11 @ 12:00PM
Here's some political coincidence:
Rick Perry : Ronald Reagan (both were governors of two big states, TX and CA respectively, and became Presidence)
Rush Limbaugh : Mark Levine (conservative Radio-talk show hosts)
Michelle Bachmann : Margaret Thatcher (two conservative IRON LADY)
Ron Paul : Barry Goldwater (the LEGEND)
Jack Kemp : Jim Demint (Two aces in the House)
Conservative Party (UK) : Republican Party (USA)
WE THE PEOPLE : THE TEA PARTY
canuckistani| 12.5.11 @ 1:01PM
Huh?
You are comparing the Tories in the UK to the GOP?
Bachmann to Thatcher?
That's like comparing Highland Park to screech.
Bill| 12.5.11 @ 1:05PM
Hello, Canuckistani, GET EDUCATED...............
canuckistani| 12.5.11 @ 3:15PM
I am ....and your off your meds again.
Bill| 12.5.11 @ 3:37PM
TRUCE
Occam's Tool| 12.7.11 @ 3:42PM
"you're off your meds." Sheesh. At least I apologize.
Naturalborn Texicanette| 12.5.11 @ 12:10PM
I agree with Bill.
Part of the problem with Perry is he gets NO air time on any of the networks.They have summarily dismissed him because of his debating skills. Stupid!!!!
Rick Perry would be a fantastic president, especially for this day in time and history. We need a proven conservative ( and don't tell me he was once a democrate, he figured out which was the best party pretty quick. Texans are like that!)
I believe he is the best candidate and that the United States of American needs someone with his specific abilities, experience, and knowledge right now.
Bill| 12.5.11 @ 12:12PM
AMEN, Mr. Naturalborn Texicanette.
Vern Crisler| 12.5.11 @ 12:22PM
But we already had one inarticulate Republican president in George Bush. We don't need another.
Bill| 12.5.11 @ 12:36PM
Rick Perry is articulate and charismatic who has a solid conservative records as a governor of TX, that's all it matters......................
Rick perry is NO George Bush...................
canuckistani| 12.5.11 @ 1:03PM
On the national stage we have witnessed oops, NH and have a heart. His charisma was spewing out of him during those episodes.
He has no billboard-reduced platform. He badly needs it because his unabridged self is pitifully bad.
BackToBasics| 12.5.11 @ 2:29PM
I used to be glad of the conservative voting block in the South. It gave me hope for the entire nation.
But what has happened in the south? Northern transplants? Internal corruption? Was it never really as conservative as we once thought?
Look at these links, one from just this last weekend, one shows Houston has elected a Lesbian Mayor and the ElPaso mayor could hardly be considered conservative.
http://www.zimbio.com/Mayor+Jo.....cks+Recall
http://www.time.com/time/natio.....09,00.html
How about the NC Governor who spoke about how the country has so many problems we'd be better off suspending the 2012 elections.
Look at LBJ, Carter, Bush I, Bush II, Clinton, Gore, so many examples... All originally from the South and none of them very conservative to say the least especially about the Dems.
As much as I wish it were true, I do not think we can count on someone from the South being conservative on it's own merit. We can only count on what they say and what they have done and vote accordingly.
rd| 12.5.11 @ 5:59PM
BackToBasics, well, like the leeches they are, the libs move into our territory and pollute it with their very presence. I cannot tell you how sick I am of New Jersey and New York garden variety human insects now crawling around here and making it home.
They destroyed their previous nests up in the liberal Northeast (to include Cleveland, Detroit, and Chicago) and made those nests and burrows uninhabitable.
It all makes my stomach turn and eyes go neon red.
So now they come sponge off you and me.
Small correction, Bush I, not a southerner. Anyone schooled up in the NE (like Bush II) is not a southerner. When Jimmy lets his daughter go to a NE school, he and Rose, well, they just ain't. If Clinton married a Hillary, well, he ain't either. Ditto on where Chelsea went to school.
They're just opportunists who take advantage of the good people, lying to them and abusing their trust.
BackToBasics| 12.5.11 @ 8:57PM
I think there's truth to what you say, rd, about the Northern tarnsplants but I wonder if there's a lot of internal corruption too amongst native born Southerners? Maybe the churches are not as strong as they used to be too.
I didn't remember off the top of my head if Bush I was born in the South but I knew he lived in Texas for a long time and was involved in the oil business there.
But whatever the reasons, although I do not have time to get too much into this now, it is not pleasant to see some Southern states almost take the lead in liberal causes and changed laws. If you told me this 3 or 4 decades ago, I would not have believed it possible to the degree in which it is occurring.
Bill| 12.5.11 @ 12:11PM
My Dream GOP Team for 2012:
President: Rick Perry
VP: Rick Santorum
AG: Michelle Bachmann
Treasury: Paul Ryan
Secretary of State: Rudy Giuliani
Any one agree with me?
canuckistani| 12.5.11 @ 1:04PM
Nope.
The Bruce| 12.5.11 @ 5:41PM
That's the third time you've posted that under this article. Seriously, I think you made your point.
Naturalborn Texicanette| 12.5.11 @ 12:13PM
P.S. I have sompassion for Hermand Cain...don't know if he is guilty of the accusations against him.
I simply believe that he had no idea of the buzzsaw that was aimed at him by the liberals....and I hope he can sort out his life and feel like he did his best in the end.
Vern Crisler| 12.5.11 @ 12:25PM
That's the problem with running for high office without gaining experience at lesser offices. The earlier vetting would have prepared him. That's why Bill survived Monica, and why Newt may gain the presidency.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 2:36PM
Sadly, that buzzsaw was not only aimed at him by Liberals, but by so-called conservatives as well..
and p.s. you are sounding an awful lot like Ken (Old Tex) using this moniker?
And I have no sompassion for phonies, either.
Ken (Old Texican)| 12.5.11 @ 4:59PM
Sorry, Margie.
I'm still spoke for.
Lady, you were not being scorned...simply refused as gently as I knew how.
God bless, and you and your husband still need to have that long talk.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 5:16PM
Well, since you accused me of wanting to cheat on my husband, you lying sack of garbage~ and said you had the e mails to prove it, and I asked you to post them REPEATEDLY here~ and you never did, because you couldn't~ everyone here can see that you are a disgusting liar.
I did no such thing, and you have no conscience.
You are no Christian, but a lying Reprobate. And you know FULL WELL what God does with lying Reprobates.
Yet you continue to present the lie. Disgusting!
Do you think you are going to get away with this in the Presence of God and the Christians who are to judge the Angels?
And interestingly enough~ the so-called Christians who post here, when you made this false accusation, and claimed to have the e mails to prove it, yet upon my repeated telling you to post the~ and you did not~ have not a peep to say to you!
"Whoever knows what is right to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin." Jas. 4:17.
It is no small wonder that you took part in the trashing of Herman Cain, with no conscience about it, either.
You're an egomaniac and a whack job that you even think anybody in their right mind would want to have anything to do with you, since you have proven that you are no friend to Christians or conservatives~ but only friends to lying Trolls who are Idolators of false Religion.
Who knew that you were one of them yourself!
Repent, liar:
"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death." Rev. 21:8.
And I am still waiting for those e mails you claimed you has as "proof."
The Bruce| 12.5.11 @ 5:48PM
"... since you have proven that you are no friend to Christians or conservatives~ but only friends to lying Trolls who are Idolators of false Religion."
Is there nothing you won't turn into some anti-Catholic rant, Margie? Seriously, it must suck terribly living such a bitter life.
You'd better check under the bed tonight, just to make sure the Pope isn't hiding under there.
Go with Christ, Margie.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 5:50PM
I speak the truth.
Repent, liar, and go with Christ yourself, unless you want to be thrown in the Lake of Fire.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 5:53PM
P.S. Religious Trolls such as yourself prove what you are by comments such as yours~ you care nothing for the truth of the matter~ the fact that a false accuser who calls himself a Christian has committed sin, continues to do so in an attempt to turn others against me (in the Name of God), and refuses to post said "evidence".
No, it matters not to you, and you prove what you are, a Religious Bigot.
You refuse to love the truth, and so be saved.
Lotsa luck!
The Bruce| 12.5.11 @ 7:31PM
Once again... very Christ-like, Margie. Very Christ-like.
I'd like to buy you a full sized cross for Christmas, Margie. That way, every time you feel under appreciated around here, you can just crawl up and nail yourself to it.
If I were to go back to any of your religious rants, and replace the word God with Allah, you'd sound no different than nut jobs strapping explosive vests to themselves.
MikeG| 12.5.11 @ 7:41PM
Margie,
Nobody gives a rat's ass about your personal problems with K because you are the most disliked, hateful person on this site.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 8:33PM
Really, MikeG?
So.. you do not see false accusations with NO evidence to back them up~ though the disgusting accuser claims to have "evidence" in the form of e mails to back them up as HATEFUL?
And since I DARE to defend myself here publicly as is my right, since HE has done so PUBLICLY here, you hurl the accusation of HATE at ME?
You're an utter hypocrite.
MikeG| 12.5.11 @ 9:51PM
Margie,
Read slowly what I wrote. It has nothing to do with what Ken said. I said nobody cares because nobody like you because of the way you act here, calling everybody a liar, and constantly attacking Catholics and their religion. Do you understand?
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 10:44PM
Read slowly what I said, Troll: You care nothing for the truth.
And you speak only for yourself~ but keep it up. God is witness to every lie you speak.
Do you understand?
Steve| 12.5.11 @ 7:55PM
The Bruce,
You do know that Margie is referred to as Mullah Margie here. I prefer Margie the Village Idiot. She can't understand anything. She has two daily comments, attacking Catholics and attacking Ken. Now she has shown some real wit and combined the two. Don't waste time trying to reason with her, she is stupid and a bigot.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 8:19PM
Here come the Religious Idolators.. have at it, Trolls.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 8:18PM
Christ like? How Christ-like are you?
You care not for the truth at all, but clack with a Reprobate false accuser?
You are a joke.
Troll.
The Jerry Springer Show!!!| 12.5.11 @ 7:36PM
Margie!! Margie!!!
When can you two kids appear on my show?
Name the date and time.W
Who loves ya babe.
Steve| 12.5.11 @ 7:57PM
Margie the Village Idiot
Who are the "lying trolls who are idolators of a false Religion"?
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 8:21PM
Your post is, as always filled with nothing but lies.
Have at it, "stevie".
Steve| 12.5.11 @ 8:24PM
Everybody lies except Margie. See a shrink.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 8:31PM
Stuff it, Clint.
Steve| 12.5.11 @ 10:28PM
Not Clint. We been through this. You have lots of fans not just Clint.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 10:40PM
Coulda fooled me, Troll.
Steve| 12.6.11 @ 7:17AM
Easy to fool someone as stupid as you, Idiot Margie.
Naturalborn Texicanette| 12.5.11 @ 12:13PM
COMPASSION.
Bumr50| 12.5.11 @ 12:17PM
All of you disgruntled Perrywinkles are doing nothing but beclowning yourselves.
Why don't you find a candidate that acts like they want to win? Or that can take advantage of the situation?
Perry's where he's at because he's been a major disappointment.
I was a Cain supporter, but favored Perry as a second choice but the fact is that he's all but blown it.
Get over your issues without taking your frustrations out on a guy that's not running anymore.
You sound like the "mean girls" from high school, and are giving Texas a bad name. You have no proof that Cain did anything inappropriate, yet you pile on because you're frustrated.
Bill| 12.5.11 @ 12:38PM
You don't like Rick Perry, then YOU GET OBAMA..................THE DEVIL.............THE MONSTER........THE TYRANT.........THE LIAR.......
canuckistani| 12.5.11 @ 1:04PM
Really?
Bill| 12.5.11 @ 1:07PM
OBAMA=LBJ=LENIN=MAO=STALIN=HUGO CHAVEZ=SOCIALIST=UNION THUG....................
canuckistani| 12.5.11 @ 3:16PM
Really?
Zak Klemmer| 12.5.11 @ 5:29PM
"George W. Bush is LBJ with a human face." I have been saying this since W took office. Look at his policies: No Child Left Behind, Medicare Drug Plan, feeding the bureaucracy in general. The TSA is a crime against Americans, just ask anyone who has experience with those thugs. The Bush father-son team helped elect Obama.
Bill| 12.5.11 @ 1:09PM
Obama is another Herman Cain, phony "Monday morning quarterback," and a loser..................
martin j smith| 12.5.11 @ 1:12PM
If Rick Perry was perfect, he would be number one. he is not.
But that is too logical.
Here is my focus as of now. There are a number of forces that are happy Cain is out:
Obama,The Socialists,
Romney,Establishment Republicans
Thus: I am not surprised that Cain supports Gingrich and not Romney
Gingrich is on top and has a shot at beating out Romney( the Establishment guy ).
So, I am keeping a careful eye out to see what happens and I will say this:
If Establishment Republicans force Romney down our throats I am seriously considering staying home because: The Establishment Republicans have been colluding with the Socialists. They want to lose.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 2:40PM
Martin: your thoughts are usually on par with mine, and I too may stay home.
BUT! Only if Ron Paul becomes the nominee. LOL... it will be the very first time I will do so since I have been voting.
I cannot see the difference between one America hater and another.
Occam's Tool| 12.7.11 @ 3:45PM
On target on Paul as always, Margie.
canuckistani| 12.5.11 @ 3:18PM
Newtie is NOT the establishment guy?
Boy, we sure can fool ourselves of many things. I pity you.
As for Paul, if he weren;t an establishment guy, he would have term-limited himself and started a third party with more vigor than his libertarian flirtation in the 80's.
Clint| 12.5.11 @ 3:30PM
Both Gingrish and Romney Are Serial Traitors To Conservatism.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 4:08PM
So? Who ISN'T a "Serial Traitor To Conservatism" to you?
Oh, that's right! Ron Paul!
Occam's Tool| 12.7.11 @ 3:45PM
Paul backstabbed Reagan.
Bill| 12.5.11 @ 1:27PM
RICK PERRY SHOULD GET THE GOP NOMINATION BECAUSE:
~ SUPPORTED THE VOTER ID LAWS, ENFORCEMENT OF IMMIGRATION LAWS, SECURING THE BORDER,
~ENVISIONED TO REFORM THE TAX CODE, THE THREE BRANCHES: LEGISLATIVE, JUDICIAL, EXECUTIVE,AND TO OVERHAUL THE FEDERAL BUREAUCRACY, ~ELIMINATING THREE DEPTS. EDUCATION, ENERGY, AND COMMERCE, AND ENACTING THE BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT
~IMPLEMENT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO GROW THE ECONOMY BY LOWERING TAXES ON BUSINESS AND GETTING RID OF REGULATIONS
~EMPOWER THE ENERGY SECTOR, EXPLORING ON FOSSIL FUELS
~RESTRUCTURE THE EDUCATION AND THE HEALTH CARE SECTOR
~REPEAL THE OBAMACARE AND THE DODD-FRANK BILL
~HELP ENACT THE RIGHT TO WORK STATES AND THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN ALL 50 STATES
~HELP BAN ABORTION AND GAY-MARRIAGE
~DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS
THAT'S WHY I'M PRAYING FOR GOV. RICK PERRY.
PLEASE HELP ELECT RICK PERRY.................
canuckistani| 12.5.11 @ 3:20PM
Why do you think he would even attempt any one of your exhaustive list of "to dos".
He has not to date, and won't.
Bill| 12.5.11 @ 3:41PM
Look what Gov. Rick Perry has done in the state of TX, growing the economy, creating millions of jobs, governing based on conservative principle-freedom, free-enterprise, and limited government.
Rick Perry is ON THE GO.............
Jane| 12.5.11 @ 1:44PM
This is very sad, I thought Cain was a fine man and would have made a good president. That leaves Huntsman. I have a huge school crush on him. My husband gets jealous, storms out of the house and doesn't finish his breakfast when I speak glowing of him. It's a feminine almost orgasmic feeling I have, he would make a wonderful President. Please vote for John Huntsman.
The Bruce| 12.5.11 @ 5:53PM
Okay, this is actually starting to get downright hilarious.
Simon Templar| 12.5.11 @ 6:03PM
You are definitely not a Jane but rather a Joe who does a very bad impression of a Jane. Go away troll, you are adding nothing.
LMajito| 12.5.11 @ 1:55PM
Well Mr Cain got in deep the moment he decided not to explain clearly what were all these women about...since so much biblical text is being tossed in this thread, what was the difference between Adam and David when confronted with their faults? Adam blamed Eve (and indirectly God) and David recognized his evil deed and began to repent (never to do it again)...both men were penalized for their acts but David showed an integrity that Adam lacked (and this guy did not had a society that corrupted him)...
so any politician or politico wannabe needs to understand, perfection is not required but integrity is...so when a skeleton pops up from a closet, own to it...
if you're man enough to do the deed, then be man enough to acknowledge it...
and unless Hermann clears his name (if all these women are lying), there's no future for him...i hate to be the one in his congregation...his words will be totally empty in my ears...unless he eithers owns up or proves the allegations false
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 2:44PM
Wow. In my world~ that's the Scriptural world~ the ACCUSER is the one who must prove their accusations, not the accused.
It's sad that we live in a backward, lying world filled with liars who succeed by merely throwing slime at the wall, knowing it will indeed stick!
But in this I take heart: God is Just.
The Bruce| 12.5.11 @ 5:56PM
"In my world~ that's the Scriptural world..."
Then can I assume you're living off-world when you're spewing venomous slanders toward people who don't share your narrow, bigoted view of the world?
Go with Christ.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 6:29PM
Name me one "venomous slander", Troll.
After all, Troll: slander is untruth, a lie. So, go ahead, name it.
And I'm not the standard of truth, Jesus is, and He says the Way is NARROW that leads to life. Get a clue, lying Troll.
But of course, Truth isn't YOUR standard, is it?
"Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many." Mt. 7:13.
"For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few." Mt. 7:14.
The Bruce| 12.5.11 @ 7:36PM
In a thread discussing the suspension of the Cain campaign, you attack a person over his religion. Speaking of troll...
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 8:25PM
Uh, no lying Troll.
The Reprobate has accused me here, publicly of wanting to be unfaithful to my husband. But like the accusers of Herman Cain, has to evidence to support his claim. He said he did, in the form of e mails, and I asked him to post them, be he cannot, because there aren't any.
Nice try, fool.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 6:31PM
Trolls NEVER deal with whether or not what the person is saying~ whether it is the truth or not.
They don't LIKE what the person is saying, it doesn't fit with their own personal morals, so they have nothing else but to attack the person speaking.
The true mark of a shallow Troll.
The Bruce| 12.5.11 @ 7:40PM
Attacking people for their religious beliefs just demonstrates what a hollow, shallow, frustrated bitch you are, Margie.
Looking forward to teabagging you at the Lake of Fire, Margie.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 8:29PM
Flaming hypocrite~ that's what YOU did.. to me.
Now, name me once where I have lied, Troll. I'll be waiting.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 6:41PM
That's funny, I just scrolled up and saw that you basically said the same thing I did in my original post.
What an idiot.
Get a life, Troll.
The Bruce| 12.5.11 @ 7:36PM
Love thy neighbor, Margie.
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 8:30PM
Hypocrite.
David| 12.5.11 @ 2:06PM
Hate to see Cain drop out.
I never have understood the double standard allowing Dems to commit acts that Repubs can't get away with.
The country is ill. It needs a cure.
Zak Klemmer| 12.5.11 @ 5:23PM
Being a leftist means never having to say you're sorry...or:
"Accuse your enemy of being what you are." --V. Lenin
Bill| 12.5.11 @ 2:21PM
The GOP election strategy should be:
Rick Perry being the Presidential candidate: winning the South (VA, WVA, TN, KY, NC, SC, AL, GA, FL, AR, TX, OK, LA, MS)
Rick Santorum being the VP candidate : truce with the social conservative voters and forcing Obama to campaign in PA, GOP lost it in 2000,2004,2008, and GOP must win PA in 2012.
Other VP nominee : Rudy Giuliani, making NY be a battle ground state, Obama campaign will be in disarray while spending time in NY, a blue state turning to be purple...........
Any one agree with me?
Bill| 12.5.11 @ 2:33PM
My Explanation:
Rick Perry got elected three times in a big state like TX, and he governed TX on conservative principle, freedom, free-enterprise, and limited government.
Paul Ryan crafted the "Ryan Plan", solving the entitlement and the debt issue.
Rudy Giuliani saved NY city and will do the same for America.
Michelle Bachmann, the queen of the Tea Party, is a warrior and will never surrender to the liberal Satan.
Perry, Ryan, Giuliani, Bachmann, INVINCIBLE...
Naturalborn Texicanette| 12.5.11 @ 2:39PM
Great posts Bill. I agree.
Um....The "ette" at the end of Naturalborn Texicanette means I am a Ms.................. :)
Thanks for the laugh.....we need all the laughter we can get these days!!!!
Bill| 12.5.11 @ 3:42PM
THANKS.............
Mills in Tacoma| 12.5.11 @ 3:09PM
Hey, fellas! You're in the money! In these tough economic times, Cain's bad news is good news for out-of-work men!
If women can sue men for sexual harassment just because they made them 'feel uncomfortable', think of the money to be made if you men started suing women for low-cut, too-short/tight fitting clothing, sexualized gestures/movements, dancing and singing! It should be really easy to prove sexual harassment in these cases too!
The internet, media and music celebrity whores who force their sexualized ‘goods’ in your faces are loaded with money! When they're all 'cleaned out' you guys can start 'cleaning' your hometown of its slutty exhibitionists! I say, “Go for it!”
POST American| 12.5.11 @ 10:27PM
---------------------BOTTOM LINE-------------------------
-----------CAIN is the ROT-child 'FED'.
Putting that aside, how about a spot of attention
on the FALL of the Republic viz a viz the
latest police state power grabs? --sponsored,
in part, by John Mc---CAIN?
"DO you understand? the MAGNA CARTA,
the bedrock of ALLLL common law, is being
systametically attacked and destroyed here
and across the western world as the bankers
hijack national soverignty?"
"There is ONLY ONE nation on the face of
the earth, in ALLL history, that has it down
'disappearances' are authorized and legal.
That state is --
-------------------NORTH KOREA!"---------------------
--------ALEX JONES isn't 'far right' anymore,
he's JUST RIGHT.
--------------HUAC/ Nuremberg 2012-----------------
-----------------------------JUST RIGHT. . .
Margie| 12.5.11 @ 10:54PM
Ken:
We are still waiting for those e mails you claimed to have as "evidence" that I wanted to commit Adultery with you.
Even your disgusting filthy Troll pals here cannot defend you, liar~ but you do indeed have a fine set of friends, don't you?
Everyone has seen what a Reprobate you are.
False and disgusting accusations with NOT a shred of evidence. And you actually think you can get away with this before God? And you continue in in this sin?
Wow. I could say I pity you, but I do not. I take delight in the fact that God is JUST.
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Elizabeth Lavars | 12.7.11 @ 7:52PM
I am a female, retired Air Force Officer, wife, and mother of 4. I believe we are at the precipice of losing the freedoms we have long enjoyed throughout our nations history. Obama is quickly taking us down the path of communism and must be stopped. I knew we needed a strong, principled candidate who would do what was in the best interest of the country and not what was in their best political interest. I didn’t want to hold my nose again and vote for weak candidates like John McCain and Bob Dole. I knew the only candidate that would meet this criteria would be a non-politician who wouldn’t pander to the political and media establishment. That’s how I came to choose Herman Cain as the candidate I would support. He is not a politician, he’s a successful businessman, a man of God, and most importantly not politically correct. Herman Cain says what most normal Americans say everyday about the future of our country and what needs to be done to turn things around. The more the media and the political class attacked him, the more I knew I had made the right choice. If Herman were not a threat to the status quo, then the right wing and left wing establishment wouldn’t spend every waking moment attacking this fine man. We are truly finished as a country if the tactics used against Herman Cain succeed and he withdraws from the race. There is not one single candidate who would be left in the GOP race that would take the fight to the establishment and get our country back on the right track. It will be simply business as usual in Washington DC and the political class will continue to rob we the people of our money and more importantly our freedom. We the people need you Mr. Cain lest the book be written about the late great USA. I intend to write in Herman Cain in my primary as I think the other candidates were cowards for not speaking out against the media and allowing Herman to be burned at the stake.
POST AMERICAN| 12.8.11 @ 3:20AM
-----------------------FINAL WORD-------------------------
Even as we write, learning:
'GOV'T Activating FEMA CAMPS
Across the Nation'
-KURT NIMMO
Infowars
(hours ago)
We have steadfastly warned you as to
the reality and nature of the Globalist
RED China sellout and TREASON
(--and EUGENICS) OP for years now.
----------YOU'VE FAILED TO TAKE HEED-----------
NOW, even by the day, the signs are on
the ground.
Still, there's lots of sports n' porn, wampum
and rectum worship.
"Understand, manning the camps is to be
the new 'E--CON--omy'. And not only thagt,
but you yourself IN the camps are to be
working too ---at slave wages, if any wages
at all."
-ALEX JONES
(days ago)
Seems the RED China 'Model for the world'
is not just an I.D.---ALL, but is, in fact,
---HERE.
"George Washington, learning about the
ILLUMINATI, turnedf on them. They were
kicked out of America around 1800 --but
snuck back in over the decades thru thje
Yale secret societies funded by the China
opium families."
---And you there, are about to start paying the
VAST, and ever expanding, unacknowledged,
infinitely dark, spiritual compound interest
on their kharma.
--------------HUAC/ Nuremberg 2012-----------------
-----------------IN THE NAME OF GOD----------------
---------------------------NOW!----------------------------