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The Two Months War
Occupy Wall Street’s failed reversal of American society.
In the last few weeks it’s seemed as though one could learn more about the Occupy Wall Street movement from the police blotter than from anywhere else. As the arrests piled up, many protesters who found themselves on the business end of a baton or a set of plastic handcuffs ranted about the perils of living in a “police state,” which is beautifully ironic. A group organized for the very purpose of demanding that the government assume greater control over our lives shook itself apart in violent spasms of rebellion against the government’s effort to enforce the most basic rules of society.
The intellectual incoherence of the Occupy Wall Street movement has been well documented. It has no clear objective, no unifying principles, merely lists of grievances and passionate expressions of disgust with the wealthy and powerful. The unsustainable weight of its incoherence, though, was realized only after local police officers stormed the parks to protect innocent protesters, neighbors and passers-by.
If there was any big point to OWS, it was that the powerless had to be protected from the powerful, and government was the means of doing so. Wall Street, the signs and chants told us two months ago, was a cleptocracy unchecked. Unless it was restrained by the state, it would consume the country. And so the protesters demanded massive intervention in the economy by Washington. Among the acts the state would take: the forgiveness of student loans, the redistribution of wealth, the negating of contracts, and the general dismantling of capitalism.
While the protesters were demanding this unprecedented reordering of the U.S. economy by the state, they were gathering themselves together in little collectives, which they sought to isolate as completely as possible from — the state.
The Occupy Wall Street encampments were, by design, enclaves separated from the civil society in which they were erected. The protesters sought to create their own communities in which the pre-existing government was not allowed to extend its reach. They made their own rules, if they had rules at all. The police and over civil authorities were kept out or thwarted when they tried to apply the laws of the surrounding society.
Of course, the predictable happened. Civil society collapsed in the little tent cities. Peace and sanitation, hallmarks of modern civilization, were no longer guaranteed, as there was no one to provide them. When assaults, sexual or otherwise, happened, they went unreported to outside authorities, so profound was the movement’s mistrust of local governments. The protesters so disliked authority in general that they often refused to elect leaders, preferring instead to seek consensus literally: insisting that every, single person agree on every point.
Here you had a movement demanding that the state dismantle and reorder the nation’s economic order by force, and yet so frightened of authority that it could not even elect leaders or allow police officers into its confines. That is incoherence so profound as to defy explanation.
It was not just a reversal of conservative doctrine, which holds that accountability is increased when power is concentrated where it is closest to the people. Occupy Wall Street did want to do the reverse — concentrate power in Washington, where it is farthest from the people — but it was not motivated by any philosophy. That was just the reflex. Where do liberals go to redress their grievances? To Washington.
Occupy Wall Street wanted to weaken local governing authority, but not for the sake of handing more power to D.C. The protesters simply wanted to avoid being held to account for their lawlessness.
In its haphazard attempt to achieve some redistributionist-libertine Utopia in which no power exists locally, but immense power is held far away, Occupy Wall Street merely reinforced the wisdom of the Founders’ design. Seeing what happened when this mob was given charge of a few city parks, America is not only dead-set (as the polls show) against giving it control of anything bigger, but is taking back its parks, too. That’s a complete repudiation. And it took only two months.
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Andrew Cline is editorial page editor of the New Hampshire Union Leader. His Twitter ID is @Drewhampshire.
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Robbins Mitchell| 11.17.11 @ 6:20AM
These street garbage lefties must have thought they were emulating Thoreau at Walden Pond....trouble is,like Thoreau,their little paradise was on somebody else's property
vtwin| 11.17.11 @ 10:32AM
Was it the bureaucratic necessity of “providing sanitary streets,” that drove Michael Bloomberg, Wall Street billionaire, to send baton yielding police into Zuccotti Park to deprive the “right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances,” or the smell of revolution in the air?
Teaghan| 11.17.11 @ 11:05AM
vtwin, I found it interesting that the FBI and the Secret Service were with the baton yeilding police when they broke up the tent village. They were looking for the hispanic who fired a weapon into the White House widows. Was it really time to end this party or was it coincedence that this all happened at the same time. Also, the boot licking MSM haven't mentioned at all that this crazy had been at OWS. Now if he had attended a Tea Party, it would have been the news of the day with 5 days of nonstop rhetoric of how he was a violent right winger. Fair and balanced? Me thinks not.
Appleby| 11.17.11 @ 11:56AM
The smell in the air was not revolution. It was poo poo. Fortunately the City Sanitation Workers have pressure-washed that smell away.
Having saved certain personally written screeds from my youth, at the advice of my Aunties and Uncles, I guarantee that one day these brats will look back at these days and cringe. In my opinion, from a long way past the age of Youre Not The Boss Of Me, I believe this is simply a generation Acting Out its shock and dismay upon exiting the Long Dark Kindergarten of the Soul to discover that here in Reality, there ARE such things as Losers, and there are no more trophies for simply taking up space. Its a hard lesson but I hope at least some of them will learn it.
vtwin| 11.17.11 @ 12:32PM
Teaghan, Dorli Rainey 84, on her way to a “transportation meeting” found herself in the middle of Occupy Seattle and peppered spayed by police, provides a contrast between the corporate controlled “News” Media in America today and that of the Joseph Goebbels propaganda she experienced growing up in Nazi Germany.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTIyE_JlJzw
Wade Smith| 11.17.11 @ 1:48PM
She was part of the riot. Why was she violating the law and acting in concert to attack the police and the public?
Skippy| 11.17.11 @ 2:43PM
Pepper spraying senior citizens who join the mob is collateral damage.
Watching them get all indignant and lie about their motives is the fun part!
vtwin| 11.17.11 @ 3:09PM
Indignant, feeling or displaying anger because of unjustness, hardly. The woman at 84, a veteran of the women and civil rights struggles, was DELIGHTED to part of the protests to reclaim American Democracy, even if by happenstance.
Drunken Sailor| 11.17.11 @ 4:06PM
Then why did she whine when sprayed? Actions have consequences. Right to assemble and peaceful protest does not mean you can ignore all the others laws by claiming it is part of the protest. Nice try but no cigar.
vtwin| 11.17.11 @ 4:42PM
You are absolutely correct, but our nation has a long history, even before its founding, of civil disobedience when expressing dissatisfaction with injustice. Was protesting “taxation without representation” by throwing private property, tea, into Boston Harbor legal?
Drunken Sailor| 11.17.11 @ 5:02PM
Not that I would compare the two but for the sake of argument, no it was not legal it was treason to the king. And they knew it. Somehow I do not think they would have gone whining about it either since their only recourse was to complain to a far away king. There is a huge difference between revolution for your freedom and what the OWS crowd is doing. This article sums their problem up great. Still apples and oranges.
vtwin| 11.17.11 @ 5:59PM
I respectively disagree; the “OWS crowd” is revolting against Wall Street to save our freedoms, hard earned in the American Revolution, to save our democracy from a tyranny of a minority, a minority composed of wealthy elites. Wall Streets’ moneyed interests have usurped our democracy, corrupted our political system and are about the task of denying individual rights while granting rights to corporations that serve only the interests of the corporate owners, the wealthy elite.
Ground Control| 11.17.11 @ 6:11PM
This is one of the stupidest comments I have ever seen. Grow up, little boy and stop watching Saturday Morning Cartoons, where all the "bad guys" are Wall Street Tycoons or something similar. The problem is not Wall Street, but the GOVERNMENT! ALL our economic ills have been created by GOVERNMENT! If these "Boobs of OWS" were really interested in protecting the public, they would take their protest to Washington DC. If you want less "Wall Street Corruption" in the form of buying power through buying politicians, then take away the power of politicians so they can't sell it! The US Cosntitution limits the power of the Federal government, but most of what they do is flatly unconstitutional and intentionally designed to buy power through buying votes.
vtwin| 11.17.11 @ 6:37PM
Ground Control, that the most uninformed comment I’ve read today. What, did you just get of of bed? Do you really NOT know that there is an Occupy Washington DC?
http://occupydc.org/
There are Occupys all over the country!
Drunken Sailor| 11.17.11 @ 7:03PM
Vtwin, even for you this is silly. OWS crowd wants to save our freedoms? Really? Here are a few gems from their website.
Ban the private ownership of land.
Make homeschooling illegal. Religious fanatics use it to feed their children propaganda.
Reduce the age of majority to 16.
Ban private gun ownership
Immediate debt forgiveness for all.
End the 'War on Drugs'.
Institute a negative income tax, and tax the very rich at rates up to 90%.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/.....s-demands/
I'm sure the founding fathers would agree. Sarcasm off
skip| 11.17.11 @ 5:45PM
vtwin vtwin vtwin
The founding fathers did not abide the violation of private property, and reimbursed the damages. The Founders would consider liberals the same way we conservatives do, as something disgusting that needs to be scraped from the sole of a shoe.
James Taranto's Wall Street Journal online daily feature, "Best of the Web Today", sums it up, as usual, in the title of today's column:
"The Brain-Dead Left: Obamaville's incoherence is a symptom of intellectual exhaustion"
Thanks for being a poster boy as proof. You must be extraordinarily tired.
vtwin| 11.17.11 @ 6:26PM
What about the private properties of the middle-class, homes foreclosed on by banks, banks that wrecked the world economy with failed financial scams leaving the home owners unable to pay his or her mortgage, 401k depleted of value the results of the same bank scams. Students come out of university indebted to banks but no jobs. The top 1% earns 40%, but pay only 28% of federal revenues. Since our nations’ founding, through a revolution, civil car, two world wars … up to Reagan our nation debt was less than $ 1 trillion now it is over $14 trillion. We borrow from the Chinese to pay for our wars and tax cuts for the wealthy elite.
chuck| 11.17.11 @ 7:40PM
vtwin,
Wow, you are an idiot. You call a foreclosed home the private property of the former homeowner. The homeowner had a legal agreement to make the payments. They fail to for any reason, then they are in default, and the bank forecloses. You only truly OWN your home when the mortgage is paid off. Until then you are really rent-to-own from the bank on a month by month basis.
If students don't want college debt, then don't get a student loan. Work your way through college. I did, and many people do.
What, actually WORK for something? What a novel idea.
skip| 11.17.11 @ 9:53PM
vtwin vtwin vtwin
Going through life a brain-dead intellectually exhausted blatant liar is no way to live.
Per the Tax Foundation:
The top 1% in 2007 earned 22.83% of total federal adjusted gross income and paid 40.42% of total federal income tax. The bottom 95% in 2007 earned 62.56% of total federal adjusted gross income and paid 39.37% of total federal income tax.
The top 1% in 2009 earned 16.9% of total federal adjusted gross income and paid 36.7% of total federal income tax. The bottom 95% in 2009 earned 68.3% of total federal adjusted gross income and paid 41.3% of total federal income tax.
Per the Office of Management and Budget:
The total federal revenue in 2003 was 1.782314 trillion dollars. The total federal revenue in 2007 was 2.567985 trillion dollars.
Your statement that the top 1% earns 40% but pays only 28% is both brain-dead intellectually and a blatant lie, since the top 1% earned less than 23% but paid more than 40%, which also means the top 1% paid more than the bottom 95% combined in 2007.
Your statement that debt has increased because of tax cuts on the wealthy is both brain-dead intellectually and a blatant lie, since federal revenue increased more than 44% over 4 years after the Bush tax cuts from 2003 to 2007.
After just one year of Obama controlling the Oval Office, Reid controlling the Senate, and Pelosi controlling the House, 2009, the top 1% paid less of total federal income tax, the bottom 95% paid more of total federal income tax, and the top 1% no longer paid more than the bottom 95% combined, all unintentionally, but Obama, Reid, and Pelosi specifically, and liberals generally, are too brain-dead intellectually and such blatant liars they are too stupid to know any better, as are you.
emo| 11.18.11 @ 6:37PM
The top 1% earns 20% of all income and pays 40% of all income taxes
carnot| 11.19.11 @ 11:32AM
"reclaim Democracy"!!!!!!
bahahahaha. so sayeth the closet fascist.
Anthony| 11.17.11 @ 11:55AM
Actually vtwin, it was the lefty midget mayor being pilloried by the media that finally got this pathetic milksop to act and remove this vermin. He could care less about his constitutents, he only acted when he was fodder for bad press.
In addition, many of your fellow lefties were getting a bit perturbed with the rabble, who after a few days, had worn out their welcome with their fellow sympaticos, who observed from the balconies of their multi-million dollar co-ops.
Besides vtwin, the only smells in the air were not those of revolution, but rather, the stench from public defecation and urination.
Revolution is a bitch, vtwin, and it's damn hard to "peaceably assemble and petition the government", when one is stepping in human shit and on used needles.
But if revolution is what you clowns want, bring it on, we're itching to kick some ass, but please wash your hands before engaging us in hand to hand combat.
vtwin| 11.17.11 @ 1:13PM
Herbert Hoover, first millionaire President, ordered, I think it was General MacArthur, to remove with force the encampments of the “bonus soldiers” occupying Washington during the Great Depression. But this deprivation of the “right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances,” did not stop the non-violent revolution that was sweeping the nation. This non-violent revolution would lead to four consecutive election victories for Franklin Delano Roosevelt and the progressive agenda and this in turn brought about fifty years middle-class gains. The good news is the so called “Reagan Revolution” is over and Bloomberg like Hoover before him will be run over by history.
Wade Smith| 11.17.11 @ 1:53PM
A little history about the Bonus Army:
On July 28, U.S. Attorney General William D. Mitchell ordered the veterans removed from all government property. Washington police met with resistance, shots were fired and two veterans were wounded and later died. President Herbert Hoover then ordered the army to clear the veterans' campsite. Army Chief of Staff General Douglas MacArthur commanded the infantry and cavalry supported by six tanks. The Bonus Army marchers with their wives and children were driven out, and their shelters and belongings burned.
A second, smaller Bonus March in 1933 at the start of the Roosevelt Administration was defused with promises instead of military action. In 1936, Congress overrode President Franklin D. Roosevelt's veto to pay the veterans their bonus years early.
Please note that the Bonus Army wanted MONEY that was not due them until 1945! This was in 1932. Also please note that the Bonus Army march in 1993, but then President Roosevelt LIED to them to get them to leave.
vtwin| 11.17.11 @ 2:43PM
Is Roosevelt’s veto of the veterans' bonus and “lied to them to get them to leave”, all you got out of the Wikipedia article you cut and pasted from?
“During the presidential campaign of 1932, Franklin D. Roosevelt opposed the veterans' bonus demands. [But] when they organized a second demonstration in May 1933, he provided the marchers with a campsite in Virginia and provided them three meals a day. ...Roosevelt arranged for his wife Eleanor to visit the site unaccompanied. She lunched with the veterans … [But] the most she could offer was a promise of positions in the newly created Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC). One veteran commented: "Hoover sent the army, Roosevelt sent his wife". -- Wikipedia
Do you think it was wrong for our World War I veterans to ask for their “bonuses” early? Surely, you understand the dire situation these brave American fighting men must have been in during the Great Depression.
Ground Control| 11.17.11 @ 6:13PM
Dire situation living in a depression caused by GOVERNMENT!
vtwin| 11.17.11 @ 6:56PM
If by “Government” you mean Smoot-Hawley Tariff? You’re ignoring:
1) Stock Market Crash of 1929
2) 10 Thousand Bank Failures
3) The Dust Bowl
4) Unemployment Rate Topping 25%
All of which occurred before the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act passed.
Anthony| 11.17.11 @ 2:57PM
Well vtwin, at least Hoover earned his millions before obtaining the presidency the old fashioned way, he earned them, unlike the Clintons, who went from being poor white trash, to mega millionaires and did nothing discernable to earn those millions.
I've news for you pal, the Reagan revolution is just getting warmed up. Better watch where you step vtwin, your fellow ipod revolutionaries leave big messes behind.
carnot| 11.19.11 @ 11:35AM
not only that....vtwin's dialectic never seems to consider the counter-revolution!
PhilTheCapitalistPig| 11.17.11 @ 12:23PM
Yes, they have a right to peaceably assemble. However, they do not have a right to damage private property, urinate and defecate on public property, rape, etc., etc.
Please come up with better talking points. Your propaganda doesn't fly here.
Anthony| 11.17.11 @ 12:46PM
Phil, I think we shut vtwin up, even he knows when he has made more of an ass of himself than usual.
Besides, vtwin would have been damn pissed if these revolutionaries had shat on his tricycle seat.
vtwin| 11.17.11 @ 1:16PM
Some of us have to take timeout to earn a living but respond I try.
Anthony| 11.17.11 @ 2:59PM
Yeah right, who the hell are you kidding vtwin? Is it already 2nd shift at McDonalds?
My, time flies when posting away!!
gh west| 11.17.11 @ 3:08PM
Good for you, vtwin. You've got work to do.
The same old retired or out-of-work posters show up day after day on this blog, bitching about liberals and the left.
Most of them are old men with nothing to do, but some of them are employed and supposed to be working for their company. Instead, they browse the comment pages of AmSpec, looking for an opportunity to express themselves.
And express themselves they do--ad nauseum.
Drunken Sailor| 11.17.11 @ 4:07PM
And you fit into this where?
Nancy in NC| 11.17.11 @ 4:14PM
Some of us own our own business and grab a few minutes to read the writing of some thoughtful folks, and some useful idiots as well. It helps to keep the fire burning...the fire of despising the left that wants to destroy our country.
The problem with lefties is they want their "freedom" at someone else's expense. While they were "occupying" parks all over the country, other taxpayers were unable to use those same parks...that their taxes paid for. Now our tax dollars will go to clean up these cess pools.
Skippy| 11.17.11 @ 6:57PM
Some of us are at work waiting for customers to walk in.
Now if all of them weren't terrified about the impending collapse of their businesses, they might stroll inj to look at a new car.
Nobody is willing to saddle themselves with a big monthly payment if they fear for their jobs.
So we stay open and unprofitable.
An unsustainable condition.
And that's where the spare time at work comes from.
Anthony| 11.17.11 @ 6:57PM
Yes gh, it's a bitch that we old men "blog" all day. It's one of the benes of owning your own business!!
I get to do whatever the hell I want!!! Including firing your ass, assuming you were capable of being hired by me in the first place.
chuck| 11.17.11 @ 7:45PM
Yep,
Owning my own business allows me start when I want, and if I want to stay in front of the computer and annoy some liberals, I can. I'm not going to fire myself!
Bydand76| 11.17.11 @ 8:30PM
Freudian slip perhaps.
Sounds like a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
Brubaker| 11.17.11 @ 3:17PM
I think the police were baton wielding, not "baton yielding," but I suspect the distinction is lost on you.
OWS was the very antithesis of citizens peaceably assembled to petition the government. OWS is a mob, complete with the violence, criminal behavior and disease that are so typical of mobs.
TrueBlue| 11.17.11 @ 6:27PM
Right to peaceably assemble, NOT right to interfere with the rights of other citizens by preventing them from getting to work. NOT right to damage and vandalize public and private property (the park is PRIVATE PROPERTY by the way). NOT right to assault police officers in the process of doing their job, or to hinder an investigation by refusing to report information regarding a rape or assault. Assembling does NOT mean occupation of private property. Even union workers on strike go home at night.
Try walking by those so-called peaceful crowds when they know you disagree with them. They're more than happy to get in your face and scream at you, surround you, and make you feel threatened for your safety because you're massively outnumbered. They're lucky none of them has been shot by a private citizen in fear of the mob.
KyMouse| 11.17.11 @ 2:30PM
When my high school English class was getting all misty-eyed and romantic about Thoreau's simple lifestyle, our English teacher pointed out that "Thoreau didn't even do his own laundry."
Alan Brooks| 11.17.11 @ 10:50PM
This is just the beginning of the OWS war, you will keep running-- and electing-- lapdogs such as Bush who will screw it up worse than ever. Bush was 5x more statist than Clinton; and Obama can only do better than HIS predecessor.
But you wont listen, you'll run another nothingburger next year.
emo| 11.18.11 @ 6:33PM
The Irony is OWS wants to give even MORE power to the same govt that is clubbing them over the head. Also it was hilarious how Occupy Atlanta had posters of Troy Davis who was "murdered" not by a corporation but by the govt
Jacob R| 11.20.11 @ 7:34AM
So you believe Warren Buffet is two million times more valuable to the world than you because you're middle to lower class?
OWS people aren't saints but stooges writing kiss *** articles like this one make me want to join up!
I love how ignorant conservatives are outraged at wealth redistribution but have no problem with CEOs devastating entire industries in pursuit of eighty million dollar payouts.
I think your version of the free market is a lot like Satan: unrestrained, wild, unmerciless and good on the drawing board but a horror in reality.
Good capitalism is impossible without good citizens, and most the CEOs seem far more rapacious than the average OWS protestor. And sorry but being a million times more obsessed with money doesn't make them a million times more valuable to society than me!
It reminds me of my older brother when we would build things. He wouldn't give me the hammer if his life depended on it, that way when the work was over he deserved ALL the praise because he drove all the nails.
For an ignorant conservative I really did have no value simply because I refused to fight to the death like an animal for the hammer.
dlb| 11.17.11 @ 7:10AM
The "Occupy" movement is an archipelago of concentration camps run by the inmates. I can't think of any other time in history when people fought to get into a gulag instead of fighting to get out.
Doctor Right| 11.17.11 @ 7:41AM
Today, these young fools plan on disrupting rush-hour subway service in Manhattan.
Tee-Hee!!! Oh, this is gonna' be good!!
Jack in WI| 11.17.11 @ 7:58AM
Most of those encampments are something you want to air drop Snake Pliskin into. This is what a $100,000 college education gets you in the end, a useless, edoctrinated, self-important, skilless, whining, sniveling, living in ma's basement piece of dysfunctional shit!
Bishop99999999| 11.17.11 @ 10:22AM
Snake Pliskin? I thought he was dead?
Dixie Pixie| 11.17.11 @ 10:50AM
Not likely
....Snake Pliskin
Skippy| 11.17.11 @ 2:46PM
You were...misinformed.
Dixie Pixie| 11.17.11 @ 4:21PM
You are right Skippy.
The above quote is from the John Wayne film “Big Jake”::::
John Fain....”I thought you were dead.”
Jake.............”Not hardly”
The proper quote should be from “Escape from New York”::::
Brain.....”Swear to God Snake, I thought you were dead”.
Snake....”Yeah,you and everybody else”.
Funny how it is possible to confuse the characters of Jacob McCandles and Snake Pliskin.
Skippy| 11.17.11 @ 7:26PM
Pliskin's character is among the most memorable of the era.
I have copped his attitude on dark or scary streets for years.
Even in silence, it works like a charm.
Dixie Pixie| 11.17.11 @ 11:14PM
Are you sure you were not imitating Big Jake McCandles not Snake Pliskin?
A John Wayne swagger is hard to distinguish between the two.
I certainly would think twice before taking on either one.
John Wayne does look a lot like Snake Pliskin in attitude.
Mike 3/505| 11.17.11 @ 3:08PM
"I get that a lot."
Snake Pliskin
chuck| 11.17.11 @ 7:48PM
I'm shaking my head in utter disbelief. Jack posts something I completely agree with!
emo| 11.18.11 @ 6:40PM
Jack, Im shocked youre not blaming Israel for creating OWS
Anthony| 11.17.11 @ 12:40PM
I'm with you Doctor Right, I can't wait!!!. You know, those NY subways are dangerous places. People do get shoved onto tracks and oncoming trains from time to time, not to mention beaten by fellow strap hangers, especially if these vermin are stinking up the place. Drudge had some video on this recently.
If these subway revoluntaries are not careful, their next stop will not be of this world.
c.j. acworth| 11.17.11 @ 7:45AM
"The encampments were, by design, enclaves separated from the civil society in which they were erected"
If only. They had to camp out near places that could provide them with free gourmet food, for one thing. In times past an individual who disliked the society of his neighbors would get up and move to a place not already occupied and build something for himself. They were called pioneers. Even today it's possible if you have the gumption. What we've seen over the last few months is what would happen to these clowns if they got their wish to re-form society. They would form about 50-60 "working groups" and try to talk their way to civilization and prosperity.
USSAlabama| 11.17.11 @ 11:02AM
Wondered often how they were charging up all those electronic devices.
Teaghan| 11.17.11 @ 11:08AM
Thats what they were doing in the small businesses (coffee shops etc) Using their electricity and ruining their bathrooms. One had to eventually close because of these selfish brats.
martin j smith| 11.17.11 @ 7:52AM
Andrew Cline you do not exactly "get it". This group of groupies is "astro-turf. No spontaneous and not with the "real message". To the point: The "real message" is to promote Obama's legislation and Obama as President. It is Part of the Obama and Socialist Campaign--that is what this has been all about. Mayor Bloomberg and the owners of Zucotti Park tolerated for TWO MONTHS is rat infested,lice infested,crime infested,Anti-Semitic and hate infested crowd. Then they decided that the public was really getting angry so lets "cool it". In my view violence was always on the menu for this crowd. The rhetoric of the Socialists particularly Obama is responsible directly for violence in our streets.
So we awaite the so called "direct action" of these goons.
Dixie Pixie| 11.17.11 @ 11:56AM
Martin.....I agree with you on the point the OWS groups were socialist “AstroTurf”.
I disagree on the point that OWS is capable of serious violence.
For a group to be capable of serious violence, three qualities of character are needed.
Those are Motivation, Skill, and a complete Disregard for the inevitable reaction that will follow.
The OWS groups are composed of self-absorbed Upper-Class Twits whose demands consists of Wall Street subsidizing the Upper-Class lifestyle that they have become accustomed to.
Such individuals would never jeopardize their lifestyle by Disregarding the inevitable police reaction if they caused any trouble not allowed by the Liberal authorities.
The OWS certainly does not have the Skills for serious violence.
That requires a level of military training, knowledge and discipline totally opposite of the OWS core philosophies.
They are the type to abhor and disdain the military arts and skills.
As a result the police had no problems clearing out Zuccotti Park and keeping them out afterward.
The military discipline, knowledge and skill displayed at the Alamo was the very opposite of what the OWS groups are capable of.
The individuals of the OWS certainly do not have the level of Motivation which makes the Muslim terror bombers so deadly.
Does any OWS have the guts and dedication to strap on a explosive vest, walk into a Wall Street brokers office and blow themselves up?
That thought is simply inconceivable to the OWS people
Heck, they did not even have the guts of the British rioters in that OWS would not even charge a police line.
In summary the OWS is only capable of the level of violence the Ruling Class will allow and no more.
That is why when Mayor Bloomberg pulled his support, OWS evaporated like the vapor-organization that it was.
Niniane| 11.17.11 @ 8:43PM
If you look closely at the owners of Zuccotti Park, there is something that stinks. Owned by Brookfield Property Management, a subsidiary of Brookfield Asset Management, the parent company also owns Granite Reliable Power through another subsidiary and is building a wind farm in New Hampshire for which they received $168 million in loan guarantees from the DOE. Meanwhile, Obama has embraced the OWS mob so I doubt Brookfield would take any steps to anger Obama. I think Bloomberg probably started looking at losing the tax base and decided to take action -- finally!
Dixie Pixie| 11.17.11 @ 11:03PM
Niniane.... I think the linkage between the owners of Zuccotti Park, OWS, the Democratic Party, the Public Unions, Obama and Mayor Bloomberg have been established beyond certainty.
OWS was a vapor-organization from the very beginning.
My point to Martin, is the OWS crowd is incapable of the level of violence he thinks they are capable of.
Nothing more.
Timothy L. Pennell| 11.17.11 @ 8:07AM
I don't know about you, but I liked these things. I think that, for anyone who paid attention, they were a very TEACHABLE MOMENT.
We got to see the TRUE FACE of the Democrat Party. We got to see a MAJOR PLAYER (Anarchists) of Obama's BASE, at work. And we saw and HEARD Obama, and Bide, and Pelosi, sing their Praises. "God Bless Them".
And it wasn't just the Young Freaks. oh, no. ALL of Obama's BASE was accounted for. Ya had the Freaks. You had the UNIONS. They were out there. CODE PINK was out there. MoveOn.org was involved. There were Drug Addicts, there. Homeless People. Thieves. And even some RAPISTS. (I guess Joe was right) Even the Pukes from Hollywood got in to the ACT. Walking amongst the 99% with their Rolex, their $1,000 Shoes, and their MYBACH AUTOMOBILES, Parked somewhere far away from the Rabble.
This was OBAMA. Through and through. Breaking the Laws. Doing Drugs. Threatening. Harassing People. Disrupting NORMAL people's lives. Yelling. Screaming. Threatening. Challenging the Police. Urinating in Public. Defecating in the Streets.
THESE are who he was talking to, when he proclaimed: "WE are the ones we've been waiting for." What he did for Zuccotti Park, he wants to do for America. Anarchy. Unrest. He will BURN DOWN OUR CITIES, next Summer, until we BEG HIM to take all of our Liberties away. ANYTHING! Just stop all of the ANARCHY! (That he, himself, has created).
Look at Europe. See how they take to the Streets. See how they "Fight the Power", and Set Fire to their Civilization.
Look at the Middle East. See how they take to the streets. See how they "Fight the Power", and Set Fire to their Civilization.
All of the same players at OWS, are in Europe, and in the Middle East. MoveOn. Code Pink. The UNIONS. The Anarchists. OBAMA'S Base.
"And I saw the BEAST, rise from the sea. And he was given a MOUTH, to speak Haughty and Blasphemous words. And he was allowed to exercise authority for forty two months."
And he's FINANCED, all the way, by the JEW who assisted the NAZIS in their bid to Exterminate his fellow Jews.
Con Chef (NB) | 11.17.11 @ 9:19AM
Don't even get me started on Soros. My cousin used to work on the Hill for John Dingleberry of MI (don't ask me how my Dad was so conservative & my Aunt was the exact opposite, but that's how it is). She tried to get me riled up by sending me an article from "The Atlantic" about how Glenn Beck is an anti Semite because he was going after Soros. The article started something like, "Glenn Beck has a problem with some of the fathers of modernity, like Marx... And now George Soros."
I told her that any author who considered Marx as one of the "fathers of modernity" wasn't worth a damn. And that I thought it was a shame that he didn't get his ticket punched at the end of the war, like most collaborators. She went ape. And told me that all of the evidence of his collaboration was nothing more than a bunch of "false accusations." When I mentioned the "60 Minutes" interview, she just said that it was taken out of context.
I love my cousin. But needless to say, we don't talk politics anymore. How anyone who calls themselves a Jew & is a leftist is BEYOND me. And its infuriating. Leftists/regressives (Nazis & communists) have killed FAR more Jews than the "Religion of Peace" could ever hope to.
I believe that Soros fancies himself as the new Marx. The difference is huge & dangerous. Marx had propaganda, & lots of it. Soros has propaganda & TONS of money. The man is an enemy of the United States. He's an enemy of free people everywhere. To me, the guy's the real-life Blofeld from James Bond movies.
Timothy L. Pennell| 11.17.11 @ 9:38AM
The new Marx?
Soros is more important than that. Marx was a piker, compared to Georgie.
Let's face it. Why be Marx, when you can be the ANTI-CHRIST?
Con Chef (NB) | 11.17.11 @ 9:46AM
Good point...
DRed| 11.17.11 @ 12:01PM
It's actually a pretty stupid point. Well, perhaps not in the sense that the anti-christ (if such a thing ever existed) would presumably be more influential than Marx. George Soros is just a really rich guy with a lot of political influence. A really rich guy, by the way, who did a lot more to bring down Communism in Eastern and Central Europe than most people. Yet you manage to believe he's a marxist.
And Timmy, if you still think George Soros helped the Nazi's murder jews, you're even more deeply ignorant than I think you are.
Con Chef (NB) | 11.17.11 @ 12:34PM
Uh, he did, fool.
DRed| 11.17.11 @ 12:43PM
Just because Glennbeck says something it doesn't mean it's true. Sorry, fellas.
Bydand76| 11.17.11 @ 1:13PM
Then try a different source,
"Soros was thirteen years old in March 1944 when Nazi Germany occupied Hungary.[14] Soros took a job with the Jewish Council,[10] which had been established during the Nazi occupation of Hungary to carry out Nazi and Hungarian government anti-Jewish measures."
Idiot.
DRed| 11.17.11 @ 1:20PM
Soros later described this time to writer Michael Lewis:
The Jewish Council asked the little kids to hand out the deportation notices. I was told to go to the Jewish Council. And there I was given these small slips of paper...It said report to the rabbi seminary at 9 am...And I was given this list of names. I took this piece of paper to my father. He instantly recognized it. This was a list of Hungarian Jewish lawyers. He said, "You deliver the slips of paper and tell the people that if they report they will be deported.
That's the next paragraph in the wikipedia article you're copying from. Doesn't say anything to me about Soros helping to send the death camps. Try again.
DRed| 11.17.11 @ 1:23PM
That should read 'send jews to the death camps'.
Con Chef (NB) | 11.17.11 @ 1:55PM
"You see, while George W. Bush had not even yet been born in 1945, when real Nazis were perpetrating the real Holocaust, George Soros, as a teenager, was actually helping real Nazis confiscate the real property of real, about-to-be-”exterminated” Jews in his native Budapest, Hungary.
And no, this actual Nazi collaboration by a young George Soros was not an obscure tidbit dug up by opposition researchers. George Soros freely admitted his actions in the now-infamous Steve Kroft interview of 1998. Soros was shocked that the interview was so upsetting to so many and endeavored greatly to put the controversy to rest by giving more details and explanations to his biographer, Michael Kaufman.
When Soros spoke with Steve Kroft in 1998, the huge question was whether Soros had felt any guilt over his acquiescence to the Nazis. It was Soros’ denial of any survivor’s guilt and his nonchalant “If I hadn’t been there doing it, then someone else would have” excuse that caught the discerning public eye at the time. And details added in his biographer’s ear did nothing whatsoever to diminish Soros’ inhumane diffidence regarding the sufferings of his fellow Jews during the Holocaust.
In fact, in the biography - aptly titled Soros, the Life and Times of a Messianic Billionaire - are scads of details that make Soros much more culpable than the Kroft interview. At age 72 - with 58 years for reflection - George Soros described his year of living under Nazi rule as “the most exciting time of my life.” That was the same year Soros’ own uncle, along with his wife and children, were “deported” to Auschwitz. But as Soros glibly recounted, his family had long ago abandoned Judaism - for a “cosmopolitan” pseudo-religion, for Esperanto, and for watching their fellow Jews, including family members, get carted off by the Nazis. It caused George no real grief. “We were somehow above them,” he told his biographer, his family having abandoned their “tribal” loyalties long ago.
No, neither the young George Soros nor his family were unaware of what was happening to their fellow Jews. Though the full extent of the Holocaust would not be known until war’s end, Soros confided to his biographer that “word of mass shootings, slave labor, and the Jewish rebellion in the Warsaw Ghetto became more and more frequent.” So when Nazi tanks rolled into Budapest in the spring of 1944, George and his family were not caught unaware.
When George’s family had traveled on holiday to Hitler-controlled Bavaria in 1939, they saw the “No Jews allowed” signs in restaurants and hotels for the first time. But George’s father answered his mother’s fears and protests with the nonchalant, “You’re a foreigner. It’s not for you.” Even so, George recalled, his mother was not reassured and continued to become more and more wary of the Nazis.
As well she should have been. Putting the plight of Hungary’s Jews in proper perspective requires a look at the numbers. Even though the war was all but lost in 1944, Hitler sent Adolf Eichmann himself to deal with Hungary’s “Jewish problem.” Eichmann arrived in Budapest a mere four days after the German tanks. In the span of only two months, German efficiency coupled with Hungarian collaboration managed to “deport” 437,402 Jews, and all but 15,000 went to Auschwitz. A full ¾ of all Hungarian Jews perished in the Holocaust; one in every three killed at Auschwitz was a Hungarian Jew.
Yet, even knowing all these gruesome details after the war, George Soros still described that year of the Hungarian Holocaust, during which his own hands had delivered “deportation” notices and confiscated Jewish properties, as “the most exciting time of my life.”
http://www.kyleanneshiver.com/.....-obsessed/
Con Chef (NB) | 11.17.11 @ 1:56PM
And I knew about this Nazi collaborating piece of shat LONG before Glenn Beck came to prominence.
DRed| 11.17.11 @ 2:05PM
This is what actually happened. Shortly after George went to live with Baumbach, the man was assigned to take inventory on the vast estate of Mor Kornfeld, an extremely wealthy aristocrat of Jewish origin. The Kornfeld family had the wealth, wisdom and connections to be able to leave some of its belongings behind in exchange for permission to make their way to Lisbon. Baumbach was ordered to go to the Kornfeld estate and inventory the artworks, furnishings, and other property. Rather than leave his “godson” behind in Budapest for three days, he took the boy with him. As Baumbach itemized the material, George walked around the grounds and spent time with Kornfeld’s staff. It was his first visit to such a mansion, and the first time he rode a horse. He collaborated with no one and he paid attention to what he understood to be his primary responsibility: making sure that no one doubted that he was Sandor Kiss.
That's not Nazi collaboration, jackass.
Bydand76| 11.17.11 @ 3:32PM
Just because Rachel Maddow says something it doesn't mean it's true. Sorry, Dred.
Try again.
DRed| 11.17.11 @ 3:38PM
That's from the same book Glennbeck and Con Chef (NB) used as evidence to support the story that George Soros helped send Jews to the death camps. They just leave out the parts that give the lie to their claims. I'm just being fair and balanced.
Timothy L. Pennell| 11.17.11 @ 3:45PM
When asked about his time, helping the NAZIS, Soros replied: "It was the BEST TIME IN MY LIFE."
So, how about Shutting TFU?
Go peddle your Stupid Sh*t someplace else.
DRed| 11.17.11 @ 4:05PM
Timmy, you ignorant bigot, that doesn't remotely prove that he helped the Nazi's exterminate the Jews. There's no evidence-none-showing that Soros helped the Nazis.
Bydand76| 11.17.11 @ 4:33PM
Dred,
Please quit deluding yourself. Soros himself has said otherwise!
Here is a transcript of the earlier referenced interview.
During an interview with "Sixty Minute's" Steve Kroft, Soros was asked about
his "best year:"
KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours
who swore that you were his adopted godson.
SOROS: Yes. Yes.
KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from
your fellow Jews, friends and neighbors.
SOROS: Yes. That's right. Yes.
KROFT: I mean, that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?
SOROS: Not, not at all. Not at all, I rather enjoyed it.
KROFT: No feeling of guilt?
SOROS: No, only feelings of absolute power.
"70% of Mr. Soros's fellow Jews in Hungary, nearly a half-million human beings, was annihilated in that year, yet he gives no sign that this put any damper on his elation, either at the time or indeed in retrospect
In my book thats collaboration..........
DRed| 11.17.11 @ 5:09PM
You're using an edited transcript. Here, I'll show you the more complete version on a conservative site so you don't accuse me of using liberal sources:
http://bsimmons.wordpress.com/.....0-minutes/
KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.
Mr. SOROS: Yes. Yes.
KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.
Mr. SOROS: Yes. That's right. Yes.
KROFT: I mean, that's -- that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?
Mr. SOROS: Not -- not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don't -- you don't see the connection. But it was -- it created no -- no problem at all.
KROFT: No feeling of guilt?
Mr. SOROS: No.
KROFT: For example that, 'I'm Jewish and here I am, watching these people go. I could just as easily be there. I should be there.' None of that?
Mr. SOROS: Well, of course I c -- I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn't be there, because that was -- well, actually, in a funny way, it's just like in markets -- that if I weren't there -- of course, I wasn't doing it, but somebody else would -- would -- would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the -- whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the -- I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt.
The bottom line here is that Soros didn't seize any property. The guy sheltering him from the Nazis did. Soros was there. I'm not sure what you think he should have done-tell the Nazis he was Jewish so they would kill him? It's a long, long way from that to active collaboration.
Con Chef (NB) | 11.17.11 @ 3:51PM
I didn't get it from a book, dipshit. I got it from an article. And I gleaned it from watching the interview itself. Don't tell me what I saw & heard. I can figure that out for myself.
DRed| 11.17.11 @ 4:10PM
Apparenlty, Con, you can't. That article cites the book that my quote came from. Read what I posted and tell me where it shows Soros helping the Nazis exterminate the Jews.
Skippy| 11.17.11 @ 4:17PM
I'm ready to reopen the camps just for George.
He looks like he needs a vacation.
Mike Hawk| 11.17.11 @ 8:18AM
These vermin are the Oborg collective brownshirts. They are what the Obama administration is. This is a picture of Obamaville if he and his Oborgs remain. It is imperative that the ORCs (Obama Re-relection Committee) fail in '12.
tsd| 11.17.11 @ 8:23AM
This seems to be what our president can understand and appreciate. OWS = a bunch of no value slugs/activist protesting for liberal causes, the bigger it gets, the more violent it gets the better our community organizer playing president likes it. This plays right into his ideals on civil unrest and revolution. One of his special people in NYC is promoting burning the city down... get the picture.
RustyG| 11.17.11 @ 8:26AM
Interesting that some of the largest cities in America, Houston and San Antonio, had no visible or headline grabbing "occupy" movements. Just as well. There would have been some boots occupying their backside.
Ken (Old Texican)| 11.17.11 @ 8:56AM
Hey Rusty,
One Riot..............One Texas Ranger!
Teaghan| 11.17.11 @ 11:13AM
Hey Ken, how are ebook sales doing? I enjoyed it !
Ken (Old Texican)| 11.17.11 @ 5:11PM
The book is doing very well, thank you. Mostly it is friend to friend now...exponential...I even sent a free copy to Margie and Vic out of charity.
Margie| 11.17.11 @ 7:00PM
Oh yeah, you're so "charitable" accusing me of wanting to commit Adultery with you, you freaking scumbag.
Al Adab| 11.17.11 @ 12:41PM
Ahh Ken,
Those were the days. I remember the statue at Dallas Love Field.
Margie| 11.17.11 @ 1:48PM
Al Adab:
You should be ashamed of yourself for having anything to do with this horrible liar.
I thought you were a brother in Christ, but you are NOT.
You greet him, you share his WICKED work.
"Incline not my heart to any evil, to busy myself with wicked deeds in company with men who work iniquity; and let me not eat of their dainties!" Ps. 141:4.
Al Adab| 11.17.11 @ 2:56PM
Oh Margie,
You remain my sister for after all I write to you also. In fact I have answered Lefties and statists here but clearly that doesn't imply endorsement of their views or of their every public or private foible.
Margie| 11.17.11 @ 3:31PM
Lame.
And if a man accused your wife in a very public forum and was clearly lying, changing his story as he goes along?
Is that what you'd call it, a foible?
Suuure.
First, he the "evidence" which are e mails, then I ask him to post them, he changes his story so that ALL can see he is a liar.
Yet NO one takes him to task, not even you!
"Will two walk together except they are
agreed?" Amos 3:3.
Oh, and by the way~ Ken used his business e mail addy to write to me. It's against the Federal law to delete business e mail.
And, there are ways they can get them out of his computer.
If a lawyer will contact me to work on a contingency basis, I will cream his lying rear end from here to Hell.
I want my due reward, because he refuses to repent.
Contact me @wehavetoomuchstuff@gmail.com
Margie Noise| 11.17.11 @ 7:02PM
Cuckoo. Cuckoo.
Margie| 11.17.11 @ 1:45PM
Hey slanderer Ken:
How's that "deal" going that you told me you had with God?
Ya know~ the one where you're supposedly allowed to use His Name in vain?
How's your conscience today, liar and false accuser?
First, you claimed you had the "e mails to PROVE" I asked you to marry me.
Then, you changed your story, and said I didn't ask you that, but I "inquired how your marriage was going" and that you don't have the "PROOF" because "I asked you to delete them!"
So, which is it, you lying scumbag, hmm?
Nancy in NC| 11.17.11 @ 4:22PM
How's that Christian thing going, Margie? You give all Christians a bad name with your name calling and insults. Does the Golden Rule mean anything to you?
Judge not, lest ye be judged. I'm not judging you, but it wouldn't take much of a leap to suggest that you are a hypocrite.
Margie| 11.17.11 @ 5:30PM
I se, Nancy. I see that you care nothing about Ken's false accusations here.
It is clear he is lying, yet you are a Christian and you do not care?
He said he had the evidence (my e mails to prove it), yet now he has changed his story completely, and you choose to ignore this. that he is obviously making this up?
You are no Christian. A Catholic, perhaps, but no Christian.
As a Christian, you would love the TRUTH.
Skippy| 11.17.11 @ 4:38PM
Valium time.
Ken (Old Texican)| 11.17.11 @ 5:13PM
Hi Margie
I love you but I am still not interested in discussing marrying you. I noticed that you posted a couple of my e-mails to you. Why don't YOU post the email from YOU? OH...did you delete it for secrecy?
PS: My conscience is just fine, and my relationship with The Lord is just fine. I stumble along trying to follow Him. Heh! I made one fatal mistake. Well two. First, I disagreed with you about Roman catholics, and second I said NO!
I am delighted to be the outlet for your need to vent venom each day. Perhaps I can keep you off the backs of our Roman brothers and sisters in Christ.
Margie| 11.17.11 @ 5:26PM
What a freaking scumbag you are. You have NO conscience because I did NO such thing, you filthy creep.
FIRST~ you said you had the e mail to PROVE this.
As of yesterday you deleted them!
Anyone that can read can see that you're a filthy liar.
The Roman brothers and sisters?
That's hilarious. I posted one of your e mails as to what you TRULY think of them you flaming hypocrite.
You will burn in Hell for your lying, you reprobate bastard.
Margie| 11.17.11 @ 7:02PM
More from Ken and his phony claiming to call Catholics his "brothers".
Keep lying Ken, I will post your hypocritical emails for all to see:
From: Ken
Subject: Re:
Date: December 21, 2009 7:58:57 AM EST
To: vicandmargie
Margie you shouldn't feel bad, nor should you "fight with him or any rock-ribbed Catholic".
The poor souls think that sprinkling watwr on them and some priest mumbling ...makes them Christians...because Roman priests have been doing that for two thousand years
Their church wants their "laymen" to keep their ignorant noses out of their Bibles, (and yes Virginia, There is a Catholic version...heh...).
Margie| 11.17.11 @ 8:52PM
Catholics refuse to deal with evidence, as usual.
Margie| 11.17.11 @ 5:34PM
From: Ken
Subject: Re: My post on am spec tonight
Date: January 20, 2010 7:37:34 PM EST
To: vicandmargie
You may not realize it (heh) but I put down our resident "catholic pompous ass" all the time.
Just any time I refer to his church...I call it simply the "Roman church". If you want to prick his balloon that is all that is necessary (evil smile). You can also refer to the statues of the "Saints" in Rome being nothing more than the old Roman gods (little g) with new signs painted on their feet.
(I know...I have seen them in person. little plaques glued tackily on those beautiful carved marble statues.)
Roman church members just absolutely detest being called (correctly by the rest of Christendom) as nothing more than idol worshippers.
Heh, I must warn you though, the insult kicked off one of the "Crusades" though I have forgotten which. It is a killin' insult I delight in when a so-called catholic (which means universal, by the way),
uses the word "catholic". I simply tell them..."No No...I'm in the CATHOLIC CHURCH! You are in that Roman idol worshipping cult from Rome".
Use the insult sparingly, however. Just say "Roman Church". They usually get the message.
You will note that JP NEVER screws with me any more.
God loves you, lady.
Margie| 11.17.11 @ 5:39PM
So, Nancy:
Read that? Now what do you have to say to the freaking liar?
I judge ÁOU as a stinking hypocrite, right along with your PUNKY pal Ken the lying filth with no conscience.
He lies like it's nothing, meaningless, and just keeps right on.. and it matters not to you or anyone else, apparently!
Well, it DOES matter to Jesus:
He has a long standing GRUDGE against LIARS and reprobates. He Promises to throw them into Hell for all of Eternity.
"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death." Rev. 21:8.
I so love the promises of God, don't you, Nancy?
Margie Noise| 11.17.11 @ 7:04PM
Cuckoo. Cuckoo.
Bill| 11.17.11 @ 9:09AM
What was nearly universally proclaimed as a virtue of the OWS movement, namely the diversity and generality of the dissatisfaction, turns out to be one of its greatest weaknesses: now that the protestors have been ousted from the public places they've been occupying, and they are dispersed, they have nothing to hold them together and will (probably fairly quickly) dissipate as whatever political force they were.
DTOM| 11.17.11 @ 11:53AM
Gee, that's too bad. Really a shame. We'll miss them and their erudition.
Bill| 11.17.11 @ 1:20PM
Yes, they're intent on our acknowledging that they're the Smart Party and we're the Stupid Party. That's why those who purport to speak for them say things like "They have guns, we have bodies." Some folks say the spokesman said, "we have bottles," but it doesn't make any difference because the second statement is just as jaw-droppingly dumb as the first. But they're the smarties...
VonMisesJr| 11.17.11 @ 9:18AM
Now you all know what "Community Organizer" means. back in the day, when political correctness was not rampant, we simply called it "communist agitator."
Like the French Revolution, it is simply a mob movement to take property away settling supposed grievences. Listen to our little POTUS and his friends chant daily about "punishing your enemies," "at some point you made enough money," "some people will have to move away from the table, so others can step up to the table."
Make no mistake who there leader is. I felt the opposite of Moochelle when Americans elected her husband. "I can tell you this is the first time I had trouble being proud of my country." But perhaps those of you that voted for this learned a valuable lesson.
AllenTexan5| 11.17.11 @ 9:36AM
Amen to RustyG and Ken, here in Texas, we don't mind if you speak your mind but you start messing with private property, the laws will be enforced, either by the police or the property owners themselves, and in those cases, the cops are usually just investigating a self-defense incident and calling in the coroner. Even in Austin, the loons have been mostly quiet.
USSAlabama| 11.17.11 @ 11:01AM
Nothing like the right to bear arms.
Maxwell| 11.17.11 @ 11:27AM
Wish I could say the same about Jersey and Chris Christie.
Skippy| 11.17.11 @ 4:41PM
If a man disarms himself and his house simply because the Big Govt authorities said so, he deserves every outrage visited upon him.
From. My. Cold. Dead. Hands.
Come and git 'em!
Con Chef (NB) | 11.17.11 @ 9:45AM
These people are nothing more than a regurgitation of the 60s-70s hippy losers. The same losers who spat on servicemen coming home. The same scum who reveled in the murders of Charles Manson because he killed "the pigs." Of course, "the pigs" being "the rich." Lest we forget, MaoBama's good buddy & probable ghost writer, mild mannered English professor Bill Ayers, & his mild mannered English professor wife, Bernie Dohrn, were enthralled with Manson. Dohrn herself said that she thought it was "cool" that the Manson crew sat & ate dinner in the Labianca home with the dead bodies.
These Che worshipping trust fund babies also all have the latest high tech gadgets, high end camping gear (if you don't know, a tent from Northface or Mountain Hardware is NOT cheap) & clothes. And yet these kids & the leftover Grant Parkers think that by setting up shanty towns that would make the slums of Calcutta look like Beverly Hills, & living like it, will do their cause good? Those freaking camps are so disgusting, I'm surprised there hasn't been a damned cholera outbreak from all the shat, piss & OTHER assorted bodily fluids that have accumulated. Its like a human petri dish.
I worked in fine dining restaurants for 12 years. Ten of those years were spent in the kitchen. I worked 10-14 hour days. I worked 90 hour weeks. And busted my ASS. And if any of you have seen shows like "Hell's Kitchen" (I hate the show because the contestants all suck, but Ramsay's great), that's the type of chef I came up with. But he was a coke snorting, gin swilling Italian from Bari, Italy. I saw throw a filet mignon, that had come back to the kitchen twice to be cooked more, at the head of the guy who cooked it.
If I was still cooking, & lived in NYC, & had to put up with these jackasses on the subways, as they're planning to do today, or had to watch my restaurant tank because the same jackasses were driving away my customers, I'd lose it. I'd just flip my lid one day, tell these douchebags to try "occupying" a job. And then you'd see me on the news getting mobbed by these clowns as the cops shoved me in the back of a squad car for "insighting a riot."
Go to hell, Occupados. No one's buying into your bullshat message. No one except Lenin's ever useful idiots. I hope the NYPD breaks out the stingballs & plastic bullets today, should these pricks turn violent. It'd be nice to see some dirty assed hippies getting a wood shampoo for shoving a cop.
edo| 11.17.11 @ 5:59PM
Well said!
Stormy| 11.17.11 @ 9:48AM
These little Occupy groups have been nothing less than the equivalent of 1960's communes. The difference is that in the 1960's the communes were in the hinterlands. In 2011, they were in city center. Democrat mayors allowed these communes to establish and take root, likely at the suggestion or instruction of the Democrat party. The mayors got on a conference call to decide how to deal with these people. Everyone of them needs to be thrown out of office, if they don't have the ability or courage to do what they should have done. In reality, these communes have lost the polling support of America, so it was politically time for them to go. But, as we have been told by the media, they are just college kids trying to make a difference, as were their predecessors in 1968 stopped a war.
Petronius| 11.17.11 @ 9:57AM
Too bad the Five Families are out of the "business". Messin' with the Mob would have meant dirt naps for the lot of them. But I'm not waxing nostalgic. The old mob shook down local merchants and ran city halls for their own benefit. This wrecking crew demands the entire country be dispossessed and the loot handed to Them: not that they'd know what to do with it. President Reagan likened government to "a baby with a gaping maw at one end and no responsibility at the other." What have we here in the worlds premier financial district? Only a difference of degree. The old Mob while parasitic and predatory towards their enemies knew better than to kill the host. This new MOB has an emotional investment in the destruction of everyone they hate. They voted this administration in to garner plunder. They aren't getting their collective Wish because Obama isn't Chavez and We are armed. What really scares me is that the Republican hierarchy is also on their side. So much for the degree of difference. The RINO's want us reduced to serfdom in perpetuity. The Liberals want us all dead. And they are at no risk whatsoever with control of the legal establishment. So to all of you out there who do not have a portfolio sufficient enough to decamp to a flat in Zurich, have a nice holiday season. It's our last one.
Con Chef (NB) | 11.17.11 @ 10:22AM
Don't be so sure. I'm sure those mobs are still heavy in the unions. And as long as they get their cut, they don't give a shit about the politics.
Pete| 11.17.11 @ 10:03AM
OWS has taught us all that violence is OK to get what you want. Is it any wonder that some loon took a few shots at the WH? Amusing.
Con Chef (NB) | 11.17.11 @ 10:20AM
3000 plus arrests & counting, compared to ZERO at ANY Tea Party event. And no Tea Partiers were pooping everywhere & flinging it like a bunch of rabid chimps.
Astonishing, ain't it?
Teaghan| 11.17.11 @ 11:31AM
I was at 3 of the Tea Party marches in DC and I wonder what the capital police would have done had we all brought tents and set up for a squat. Would we have been allowed to stay indefinately?
Drunken Sailor| 11.17.11 @ 5:05PM
Now there is a idea! I would love to see how they spin kicking the Tea party out after all their praises for the OWS crowd. To bad most tea partiers have jobs.
Dave| 11.17.11 @ 10:10AM
OWS: The ranting mob of pathetic losers whose cumulative IQ is less than the minimum to go to public school, but surprisingly high enough to get into the liberal arts!
/thumbs up
Mike| 11.17.11 @ 10:23AM
OWS, led by Obama, paid by DNC, and facilitated by SEIU. This is no political movement, it seeks to reelect Obama for another four years, causing anarchy across America. Nice try Obama!!!!!!!!
Mike| 11.17.11 @ 10:30AM
OWS will fade away as the Presidential election looms, and people will learn more about the conspiracy theory behind this madness, it does nothing creating jobs or reducing deficit, all it prompts liberal agenda, posing a formidable threat against the great Tea Party movement. Obama and his Democrats machine are scared of losing another election in 2012, so let's create chaos and destruction, and sabotage the outcome of the 2012 election, favoring liberals, and finally blame it on the GOP. Americans will fend off that kind of mean spirited liberal efforts to destroy our freedom, peace, and democracy. Those OWS can go to hell!!!!!!!!!
Redstateboy| 11.17.11 @ 11:16AM
Excellent Mike..! Emails to and read on FOX this morning.. read one; this administration has been a benefit to the Gun and Ammunition manufacturers..
Skippy| 11.17.11 @ 4:48PM
Ammo was unavailable from fall 2008 till fall 2009 due to demand.
Availability has improved but prices remain high.
Don't let that stop you, though.
Stock up!
Al Adab| 11.17.11 @ 10:36AM
As many of us have noted herein, this is just a dress rehersal for next summer. Today and tomorrow as police move in the "protests" will turn violent. The groups behind these events intend nothing less than the disruption of the conventions and potentially the elections next year. The threats of violence, molotov cocktails etc are rampant. We need to understand where this is headed and why.
Redstateboy| 11.17.11 @ 10:58AM
what incenses me the most is the Liber-ul lame stream media blathering on about how this "Flea Party" (thank you Ann Coulter) is somehow the Left's equivalent to the "Tea Party". Nothing's further from the Truth... but then again... that's the F'n Left for ya - BS artists.
Skippy| 11.17.11 @ 4:50PM
Ann could have spent a million bucks promoting her new book, and it wouldn't have come close to the validation OWS gives to her point.
I do love that gal!
Buck Ofama| 11.17.11 @ 11:13AM
"... a movement demanding that the state dismantle and reorder the nation's economic order ... incoherence so profound as to defy explanation."
The explanation is: OWS is the manifestation of the irrational and magical thinking endemic to juveniles, the mentally disordered, and of course, liberals.
LOL, fvckin' LOL!
SilentCalvin| 11.17.11 @ 11:24AM
Perhaps the confusion of message was the whole point?... If they had a coherent argument they would need to defend it. I think they got what they wanted from the last two months - chaotic images and intimidation of the uninformed. The OWS is a marker for things to come. The summer is going to be much worse, especially in Tampa.
loulou| 11.17.11 @ 11:28AM
Darn. I was hoping OWS would last through the Democrat convention in Charlotte.
Teaghan| 11.17.11 @ 11:34AM
Lou Lou, I believe they have plans to be in Charlotte. Or so I have read numerous times. So have heart!
Bob S| 11.17.11 @ 2:39PM
Perhaps we should organize some donations for their campout in Charlotte...
Freddie Fedup| 11.17.11 @ 11:42AM
After two months of circus- like demonstrations, one thing has become apparently clear, parents need to "occupy" the halls of our failed educational system----starting at the elementary level all the way through college. There is one common thread with these protestors, a lack of respect for other people and public properties. I guess the liberal professors instill this self-righteous attitude without any consequences to their precious tenures. Maybe this is the beginning of the revolution to swing that way-left leaning pendulum back to common sense, where the real ninety-nine percent live......
Freddie Fedup| 11.17.11 @ 11:42AM
After two months of circus- like demonstrations, one thing has become apparently clear, parents need to "occupy" the halls of our failed educational system----starting at the elementary level all the way through college. There is one common thread with these protestors, a lack of respect for other people and public properties. I guess the liberal professors instill this self-righteous attitude without any consequences to their precious tenures. Maybe this is the beginning of the revolution to swing that way-left leaning pendulum back to common sense, where the real ninety-nine percent live......
Mike| 11.17.11 @ 11:46AM
Those OWS protesters are unemployed and college-drop-out kids, collecting unemployment checks every months and living their parents' basement, yet they show no respect to the American society and its democracy, vow to stir violence and disrupt our freedom and democracy, those liberals from the 60's are back, backed by the liberal media and the Democratic Party, planning to disrupt next year election and occupy the GOP convention (a secret memo was circulated among the OWS protesters by the DNC targeting the GOP convention in FL). Those Ows are the army of Obama clan. NYPD should use lethal force to those who are destroying properties and abusing innocent people. This anarchy must be stopped now before it spreads all across America and threatens our democracy and freedom. Congress must conduct an investigation and hold hearings on the alleged conspiracy orchastrated by the Obama Adminstration. We must act now.
Judi | 11.17.11 @ 11:49AM
Eloquently said! Here in Seattle, the Mayor cannot make a stand on how to react when violence and law breaking evolves into police action. His apologies after the fact, to those protesters who dare to cross the line, weaken his and our police departments validity, adding insult to injury. Time has made these mishaps an inevitable part of our right to peaceful protest!
Mike| 11.17.11 @ 12:05PM
Cities and their Mayors have the full authority to take legal and lethal actions against mobs, disrupting freedom of other citizens and causing violence and property damages. Mayors of those liberal cities, NY, Seattle, Boston, are reluctant to do so because they do not want to upset their liberal constituents. The Oakland Mayor is facing a recall by the liberal groups and SEIU after she ordered to clean up the mess created by the OWS mob. Liberals hate the founding principle of America-freedom and the great free market system, and thus they seek to stir violence to demonize the freedom loving and the free market oriented Americans. Liberals are disposable.
nohussein| 11.17.11 @ 12:39PM
dregs failing at something, who would of thought!
martin j smith| 11.17.11 @ 1:39PM
At what point will OWS do something that will on a national level create a booby for the Socialists ?
For example if the shooter captured in DC hit an Obama family member and he was part of the OWS in DC then what ?
Stan Redmond| 11.17.11 @ 2:22PM
Mr. Cline,
I think you give the OWS fools too much credit for creative thinking. What I heard from the entire movement was:
WE WANT FREE STUFF!!!
Bill| 11.17.11 @ 2:57PM
The truth behind the OWS fiasto to reelect Obama for another four years. It has nothing to do with the free market or crony capitalism, it's simple politics.
Oldefarte| 11.17.11 @ 4:11PM
This street garbage has existed most of my entire adult life. In my twenties, it was the Kent State crowd, and the Ohio nation guard did the necessary then. Want to protest.....then go vote! Otherwise, get a job and become productive. What no jobs available you say? Okay, look in the mirror for the reason for same and ask yourself what you did on 11/4/08? Vote Republican on 11/4/12 and provide the means to bulldoze this excrement to hades where they belong!!!!!
Mark Jeffery Koch| 11.17.11 @ 4:30PM
I am an American who believes that every American has the right to protest but they do not have the right to disrupt businesses and people traveling to and from their place of work.
Wall Street banks and brokers DID screw the average American but there is nothing these protesters can do with their Occupy Wall Street movement to change anything. They need to instead be occupying the Capital and voting booths.
If the Republicans win in 2012 the very moderate Dodd Frank bill will be overturned when in fact it should be strengthened. The Republicans want to remove all regulations and protections for consumers against the Wall Street thieves and what happened in 2008 will happen again and next time the country will fall into a Depression and the thieves who raped our country will make out like bandits once again.
Stop occupying Wall Street and instead occupy the voting booth if you really want change. Unless you throw the bums out of office who helped cause our economic disaster it will happen again and again and the average American will continue to get fleeced, lose their life savings, homes, and jobs while the bankers and brokers get richer and richer.
In many cities around the country, like my hometown of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, the Occupy movement is in the news. However, big city mayors are not doing anything to cause harm to their citizens and the problems cities like New York, Oakland, and Philadelphia face are not due to their local elected leaders but instead to the congressmen and senators in Washington who received hundreds of millions of dollars from Wall Street brokers, banks, and financial institutions to enact laws and provisions that benefitted the financial industry to an unfair and absurd degree while harming the average American worker to a great degree.
If you want change and want to enact the stiff legislation we must have to avert a possible future meltdown then we must clean out Congress of all the elected officials who received campaign donations and favors from the very people who are profiting from the destruction of the poor and the middle class. These protesters and Americans all across our country need to remember how this happened and ask themselves who do they want in charge of legislation protecting them? Who do they want on the Supreme Court that the next President will appoint? Who do they want on the highest court in the land who will vote to overturn the Citizens United case? Who do they want on the Court, and in Congress who can make sure Obama's goal of health care for all Americans becomes a reality? Who do they want in Congress who can protect them from the greed and avarice of corporations who are busy sending our jobs to China while they are building mansions in the Hamptons? Who do they want in Congress and the Court that will ensure workplace safety, product safety, equal pay for equal work, and that will ensure that collective bargaining is never denied them?
It's time to occupy the voting booths and have the highest voter turnout in history. Until the American people make their voices heard in a manner that will effect immediate change, all these Occupy movements are not going to bring the change we badly need, and we need change now because America will be headed towards a much more dangerous fall unless we enact the proper laws and regulations today that can prevent a meltdown tomorrow.
George S| 11.17.11 @ 6:06PM
The Congress you yearn for was in place from January 2009 to January 2011. Yet there were no protestors anywhere to be seen. Why so you suppose that is?
Oldefarte| 11.17.11 @ 7:47PM
That is the largest pile of horse manure I have even read/heard in my substantial liftime. Typical COMMUNITY ORGANIZER crap about the evil bankers that destroy everyone and how WELFARECARE will save us all. What a load of crap personified. Where do you glorified hippies of yesteryear get your talking points from, Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright or Jesse Jackson? Banks didn't screw anyone, since they provide savings and investment to millions of their depositors and stockholders [and jobs to their millions of employees]. Oh, and if your idiotology is referring to the bank bailouts by the government, tell the GD truth that every last dime of same BANK bailouts have today been paid back by the banks [oh and also that the government/taxpayers are still on the financial hook for $billions from the bailout of the labor unionized Detroit auto manufacturers, who were bailed out due to their labor union political donations to THE COMMUNITY ORGAINZER, who have not nor will never repay same]. Oh, and why oh why did the banks need bailouts you ask? Well dumbars, because the Democrats in congress in 1977 passed the CRA by which the government forced banks to loan/mortgage to financial indigents, forced them to devise CREATIVE FINANCING mortgage vehicles in response to same in order to remain profitable, that the government followed up same by creating Fannie/Freddie/HUD's housing affirmative action/welfare housing policies which further gave away mortgages to financial indigents at taxpayer expense, and the Democrat governmental policies presently are still providing housing welfare by preventing banks [by sicking lawyers on these banks] from rightfully foreclosing on these financial indigents who are unable to pay their mortgages. Overturn Dodd-Frank, you damned right [and both of those individuals should be thrown in jail for legislating such garbage that is now causing a massive credit/housing crisis on the taxpayers of this nation]. Yeah, the voters are going to revolt next year and finish the job they started in 2010 by defeating these WELFARE-MONGERS aka Democrats and hopefully in five years this country can begin to prosper again by riding itself of these street thugs-community organizers that have turned this country into Europe-Greece west. Why don't you go join your Wall Street mongrels' anarchist activities and hopefully you'll all end up where you belong.....in jail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tom in Michigan| 11.17.11 @ 5:12PM
There's no surprise as any and all leftist "ideas" are bound to fail.
Frankly though, the perpetrators of OWS - the Democrat, re-elect Obama machine set it up; just like the violent "flash mobs" to see just how much terror and disruption they could gin up prior to November 2012. So, back to the drawing board until they come up with something else. OWS has no ostensible leadership but, it's obviously Soros money and union muscle.
There's little to fear. Though they claim "they've got the numbers," an old leftie chant from the Sixties; they don't. They're a pathetic minority of whom America is getting quite sick.
It's all very interesting, though. For the first time in American history; the Administration itself is behind "civil unrest," so-called but, it's also indicative of the pure panic of the left as they see the apotheosis of their 80-year program to turn America into a "socialist" state, run from on-high by them, our intellectual and "moral" betters fail, by the numbers.
Tony in Central PA| 11.17.11 @ 8:42PM
You'd need an electron microscope to find the collective wisdom of this bunch. Commentators keep asking " What are their demands ? ". Lemee guess, oh , I don't know, how about MONEY ? They aren't terribly mad at the government for bailing out corporations. They aren't mad at the schools for taking their money and giving them degrees in jobless majors like gender - identity studies. They are mad at the people they think have money and they want the government to get it for them.
Its only a matter of time before these demonstrations get seriously violent everywhere. These groups are ignorant, irrational and implacable. They are the embodiment of liberal education and the new bedrock of the left in America.
POST American| 11.17.11 @ 10:17PM
---------------------BOTTOM LINE---------------------
Just as the Tea Party was NOT fully co-opted
by Rockefeller Globalist EUGENICS Globalism,
so the OWS was NOT fully co-opted by the
forces of Soros (ie ROTchild) 'CON-trolled
opposition.
What's left for the perps to do but degrade,
demoralize and demonize the remnants.
Latest polls, however, have 85% of the
American public now calling for the AUDIT
prosecution and ABOLITION of the ILLEGAL,
PRIVATE, debt serf generating 'FED'.
--------The cat IS out of the bag.
-----------HUAC/ NUREMBERG --is coming.
Even under our CHEM-trailed and FUKISHIMA
fallout saturated skies, a cause for CHEERS.
papabearls1| 11.18.11 @ 7:46PM
At the bare minimum all of these ows assholes deserve a good shot of oleoresin capsicum in the face and a steel toe boot in the ass to send them home. Follow them home and give the useless parents a shot of OC and a kick in the ass as well.
Jacob R| 11.20.11 @ 7:38AM
And one more point... This is capitalism of the poor and grounded. We can all fight to be the richest poor man.
If you want to be 2011 rich, you have to be one of twenty people who hit the idea lottery or, far more likely, you have to be born into the oligarchy.