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Special Report
The Texas Tea Party Debate
Cain vs. Gingrich proved to be less Lincoln-Douglas than Lincoln-Lincoln, particularly on our greatest economic challenge: entitlement reform,
In 1858, U.S. Senator Stephen A. Douglas was facing a tough reelection challenge in Illinois from former Congressman Abraham Lincoln. A serious, reasoned America was at the height of debate over the fundamental human rights challenge posed by its contradictory maintenance of the vile institution of slavery, in the most path-breaking, classical liberal nation in the world.
Lincoln and Douglas held seven 3-hour debates in that reelection fight. First one candidate spoke for 60 minutes, then the other for 90 minutes, then the first for another 30 minutes. Crowds came from other states to hear and see the epic intellectual battles between the two. Newspapers sent stenographers to record the debates with the crude technology of the time.
Douglas, the then famous incumbent so well connected throughout Illinois, won that election. But Lincoln won the debates, publishing them in a book and riding them to the Republican nomination and then the White House in 1860.
On Friday night, November 4, GOP Presidential frontrunner Herman Cain and surging challenger Newt Gingrich, second in Iowa in the most recent poll, brought that same reasoned seriousness back to America by joining one on one in their own Lincoln-Douglas style debate sponsored by the Texas Tea Party at the Woodlands Resort and Conference Center outside Houston.
The topic of the debate was the most serious economic challenge of our time: entitlement reform. I personally attended, and was gratified to hear the two cite me by name and my lifelong work on entitlement reform multiple times.
Social Security Prosperity
Somehow the two men managed to address the most complex domestic policy issue facing our nation without media all stars from CNN and NBC devising the brilliant questions for them to answer. Prompted only by brief, intermittent questioning from two moderators, Congressman Steve King (R-IA) and Ben Streusand, the Texas Chairman of Americans for Prosperity, Cain and Gingrich engaged in extensive civil discussion back and forth, explaining more sophisticated solutions than the so-called mainstream media has been able to explore in any forum or format, debate or otherwise.
Cain is highly knowledgeable, articulate and entertaining. Gingrich, set free from absurd 30 second limits on answers, unleashed an encyclopedia of fundamental entitlement reforms, presenting a pro-growth, freedom and prosperity vision of modern, 21st century safety nets. The fact that the two agreed virtually on everything shows how deep into the Republican Party these sweeping, fundamental reforms have penetrated.
Conservatives take heart; these reforms would cut federal spending in half from where it would be otherwise, saving the American Dream. I know. The reforms reflect a lifetime of my own work.
Cain has repeatedly and wisely expressed his support for path-breaking personal accounts for Social Security. But Gingrich has presented a thorough vision of such reform, starting with his new Contract with America, detailed in probably the most thorough campaign document ever to be released this week, and discussed at the debate.
Gingrich proposes freedom for younger workers to choose to save and invest at least part of what they would otherwise pay in payroll or income taxes into personal savings, investment and insurance accounts. Over an entire working career, at just standard, long term, market investment returns, workers of all family combinations and income levels would accumulate several hundred thousand dollars in these accounts after inflation, approaching a million dollars or even more in some cases depending on how big the option is over their careers.
Those accumulated funds would pay all workers of all income levels much higher benefits than Social Security even promises let alone what it could pay. Retirees would each be free to choose to leave any portion of these funds to their children at death.
To the extent each worker chooses to exercise this account option, the account benefits would substitute for a portion of future SS benefits. Through this process alone, all future Social Security deficits would be eliminated without tax increases or benefit cuts, because the accounts take over so much responsibility for paying future benefits. Indeed, because of the real investment returns earned by the accounts, future retirees would enjoy higher rather than lower benefits. If the accounts are eventually expanded sufficiently, they would eliminate completely the unfunded liability of Social Security, which would be the greatest reduction in government debt in world history.
With workers financing their own benefits through their own savings and investment, they can be free to individually choose their own retirement age, rather than the government choosing it for them. Moreover, they would have market incentives to choose on their own to delay their own retirement ages as long as possible, because the longer they wait the more they would accumulate in their accounts, and the higher benefits those accounts could pay.
Because the personal accounts shift the payment of future Social Security benefits off of federal taxes and spending to real private savings and investment instead, they result in the largest, most dramatic reductions in federal spending in world history.
About the Author
Peter Ferrara is Director of Entitlement and Budget Policy at the Heartland Institute, General Counsel of the American Civil Rights Union, Senior Fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis, and Senior Policy Advisor on Entitlements and Budget Policy at the National Tax Limitation Foundation. He served in the White House Office of Policy Development under President Reagan, and as Associate Deputy Attorney General of the United States under President George H.W. Bush.
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POST American| 11.9.11 @ 6:20AM
-------------Tavistock foto-text SAP OP--------------
------------------------ALERT!---------------------------
Neither Rockefeller 'FED' front op CAIN,
nor EUGENICS and Globalization KEY enabler,
GINGRICH, have any business being subtexted
as genuine representatives of the 'Tea Party',
or, indeed, American sovereign values generally.
Moe Blotz| 11.9.11 @ 6:34AM
Oy Posty, you are a bit short on words this AM, better go huff some more chloroform.
Jack in Wi| 11.9.11 @ 7:35AM
Cain has always been a joke candidate pushed by the Republican establishment and the media to split the conservative vote. His 999 plan is just a gimmic which would never be implemented. He is ignorant of economics, history, foreign policy, monetary policy, and fiscal policy. He can't think of one thing he would eliminate as President. Herm and all his baggage should get lost. Gingrich is an intelligent has been, who has more baggage, then went down on the Titanic. The top 2 candidates in polling compiled by ' Real Clear Politics ' as of Oct. 31st, head to head against Obama are Romney and Ron Paul. The real debate should be between these 2 on the future of the country and party. Then let the primaries come and lets see if the party and country can be united against Obama.
Of course such a true debate on the issues can't be allowed. Ron Paul would destroy Romney, with 90% of his brain tied behind his back. Throw in Perry and Gingrich and he still would do it with half his brain tied behind his back.
The elites in this country want no such discussion because they might lose. We are supposed to go on with the same old crap util the final collapse or dictatorship.
Honkies for Herman| 11.9.11 @ 7:45AM
Al Mr.Cain asks is $9.99 to keep the momentum rolling.
jagscl| 11.9.11 @ 8:01AM
Your comments always return to paul, who is unelectable. Since you bad mouth the others, who is your second choice?
Drunken Sailor| 11.9.11 @ 9:33AM
Don't bother. Jack is a one trick pony
Jack in Wi| 11.9.11 @ 11:55AM
Paul is the only electable Republican running. He polls very well head to head against Obama, second only to Romney. He does by the best against Obama, by far, with Independents and conservative Democrats. No Republican can be elected without huge numbers of those people. The brain dead Bush Cheney warmonger and bailouts for the rich gang is down to about 25% of the population. He is also the by far the best and most coherent debater. He actually formulates his own ideas and has been right on the issues for decades. He is the only real conservative running. all the rest are more of the same.
I could see Romney winning but only after some real serious debates and a fair convention. He would also have to dump the neocon losers who are running his foreign policy. He has too move a lot closer to Ron Paul on the issues. No pro war, pro bankster Republican has a chance of winning this election.
irish19| 11.10.11 @ 1:57AM
Paul has zero chance of winning either the nomination or the general election. Calling him the most electable is pi$$ing into the wind.
Jim in Ohio| 11.9.11 @ 11:29AM
The only thing you got right is that Paul has half a brain.
Occam's Tool| 11.9.11 @ 10:06PM
That much of a brain for Paul, Jim?
Doctor Right| 11.9.11 @ 1:44PM
Pure fantasy.
Ron Paul is in 3rd place. He's in single-digits.
Herman Cain is LEADING the race as of now.
Ron Paul will NOT be the nominee, Jack.
Occam's Tool| 11.9.11 @ 9:55PM
Jack's blatherings on Ron Paul remind me of the "Kim Cattrall" song by Crow T Robot. Content free, just repeating the name.
johninflorida| 11.12.11 @ 10:13AM
... yawn ...
Clinton| 11.9.11 @ 6:51AM
"Cain is highly knowledgeable, articulate and entertaining." I understand pandering and fawning to Cain is now the status quo by not so serious conservatives, but this is just absurdity. Cain's answer as to whether he preferred a premium support or a defined benefit plan in the context of Medicare was to rub his hands, look up and as was his common response tell Gingrich to go first.
The man is a fool and a bufoon who knows absolutely nothing. Were it not for his cult of personality based primarily on his race and supposed anti-establishment positions this Bozo would have never been given serious thought.
I understand those who are as ignorant as Cain may like his lack of knowledge, portraying it as a virtue, a sign that he’s an outsider, a non-establishment figure, authentic, the appealing anti-politician, but those are not qualifications for President much less a Republican or conservative.
For those who like to compare Cain to Ronald Reagan go back and read interviews of Reagan with men like W. F. Buckley or even the liberal media. Reagan was a principled conservative who knew more about government than Cain knows about pizza marketing.
If Herman Cain becomes the GOP nominee we deserve to lose for nominating our version of the most incompetent man to ever live in the White House -- Barack Obama.
richard ryan| 11.9.11 @ 10:43AM
Clinton, your comments would be taken more seriously if you would ease off on the name calling ("A buffoon who knows absolutely nothing..." )and exaggerations. Cain is not your guy, I get it. But he is no buffoon and he is smart enough to stick to conservative principles where it matters.
Crackers for Cain| 11.9.11 @ 6:30PM
Send $9.99 to friends of Herman Cain now.
Mimi| 11.9.11 @ 7:20AM
I watched the discussion on C-SPAN over the weekend, The most informative and positive of all the so called debates. They both were genuine and likable....some twosome and a sharp looking team....too bad their from the same state.
I am waiting for some experts I admire to announce their PICK for the nomination...one of those is Peter Ferrara ... he is starting to sound like it may be NEWT ! Interesting because after the last debate when Romney and Perry went at it in a raw and irritating way ...I started to lean toward Gingrich.
On Herman Cain, he was good yesterday in defending the charges....It boils down to ..Who do you believe ? Who is LIEING ? Is it the likeable, upstanding Cain or GLORIA and the smiling,,read the script , Sharon the accusers. who in the end might put a nail in the DEMS coffin....and will be forever known as the
"SCUM-BAG crotch Party!!!
potkas7| 11.9.11 @ 7:33AM
That Newt Gingrich and Herman Cain did not get into a slanging match is hardly unexpected. Both are Republicans of a conservative stripe and it's only natural that their philosophy and political ideas would have a lot of overlap. What was most striking about Saturday night's conversation was that the audience was given a full menu of ideas together with complete explanations of the reasoning behind them. And in Newt's case an invitation to visit his website where you could see the text of his proposals, print them out and actually hold them in your hand. Contrast this with the usual 'feeding time at Sea World' debate model where candidates stand at a podium waiting to be thrown a mullet by whatever media luminary is moderating that night. After watching the full 90 minutes I was left hoping that this became the new standard for presenting candidates ideas, proposals, and promises for evaluation by the voting public.
POST American| 11.9.11 @ 7:39AM
"---Understand, ROSA PARKS became
an earth shaking civil rights issue simply
due to sitting in the back of the bus.
The TSA is being allowed to grope your
entire family and pre-emptively criminalize
YOU ---and NO ONE says ANYTHING."
Just a little REALITY CHECK as Jesse
Ventura's civil suit against the Constitution
shredding TSA is thrown out of court
---and the Globaist MEEE-dia blackout
on RON PAUL continues.
--------------HUAC meets NUREMBERG-------------
---------------------------2012-----------------------------
------------------SPREAD THE WORD-----------------
DTOM| 11.9.11 @ 9:11AM
Post:
Looking back on HUAC in the '50's. Do you agree that:
1. There were Communists in the State Department, maybe not exactly 208 or whatever Sen. McCarthy's original claim was.
2. And there were definitely Communists infiltrating and funding the American labor movement, including the Screen Actors Guild.
3.And Nuremburg was more a show trial of the remaining bad actors in the Nazi regime than an actual legal trial, as there really was not sufficient international law to try those bad actors.
Single word answers will do, I'm just curious.
Doctor Right| 11.9.11 @ 1:47PM
1. YES. And he never said "208".
2. Yup.
3. "International Law" was a meaningless phrase in the months immediately following WWII. Much of the world was in complete turmoil. Those prosecuted in Nuremberg deserved every bit of their fates.
Moe Blotz| 11.9.11 @ 6:31PM
Rosa Parks became a cause celebre' by NOT sitting toward the rear of the bus.
martin j smith| 11.9.11 @ 8:12AM
Could this "debate" bring about a "compromise " candidate --that is if you lop off Romney and Cain you get Gingrich ? Just a thought ?
DTOM| 11.9.11 @ 9:12AM
I believe that's how they make sausage, too.
Not bratwurst, though.
Clinton| 11.9.11 @ 8:30AM
Gingrich may be smart, but like Clinton supporter Cain he's been too cozy with liberals like Hillary and Pelosi not to mention his endoresment of the scam of global warming and mandated health care.
Gingrich should have run in 2008 to give us a right of center option with brains, but he blew it. Romney, who'll probably get the nod in time or possibly Perry or Santorum (who may pull a Huckabee in Iowa) should look to him for the State Department while John Bolton gets the more important NSA.
irish19| 11.10.11 @ 2:01AM
I still like Bolton for State.
Jeff Perren | 11.9.11 @ 8:39AM
These ideas are a step in the right direction: getting the Federal government entirely out of the welfare/retirement insurance business.
Ultimately, Social Security and all other Federal welfare programs should be phased out entirely - far beyond the Chile model. They are unconstitutional and an immoral use of government coercion.
David T| 11.9.11 @ 10:05AM
Republicans need to study the reasons why Ohio Issue 2, a bill to limit collective bargaining rights and require state and local government workers to pay more in health insurance and retirement, went down in flames. The opposition, We Are Ohio, painted the bill as a power grab by the "politicians" to take away "workers' rights." We Are Ohio, supported by Soros & Co., outspent the pro-bill forces, Citizens United, by a huge margin. Any attempt to reform entitlements at the national level will be met with even greater resistance. Without strong, active support from the grassroots, national entitlement reform will lose out to the Obama/Soros/OWS class warfare zealots.
Drunken Sailor| 11.9.11 @ 12:38PM
The difference between Michigan (who passed a bill limiting collective bargaining) and Ohio (who obviously didn't) is Scott Walker was smart enough to exempt the Police and Fire Fighter unions from his bill. The public has a hard time admitting that Police and Fire Fighter unions need to be limited as well.
irish19| 11.10.11 @ 2:03AM
Walker is Wisconsin, not Michigan. Just sayin'.
Drunken Sailor| 11.10.11 @ 1:53PM
Your right Irish, thanks
John| 11.9.11 @ 11:11AM
Newt Gingrich is great and has a proven record and who can beat Obama in 2012. Herman Cain was never elected in any office, he is pro-choice and pro-tax, he is hurting GOP with his sexual allegations and he need to end his campaign. My verdict: Newt : 1, Cain : 0.
cicero| 11.9.11 @ 11:21AM
I'm afraid that the conservative movement is looking for the perfect candidate, someone whom they can all agree is qualified to be president of the United States. With the exception of Geroge Washington, no one is so qualified, except in retrospect. It is always the choice of the least unqualified cnadidate.
In our present circumstances, we conservatives have little choice but to back whomoever we perceive to be the best of the Republican candidates.
Drunken Sailor| 11.9.11 @ 12:39PM
From your mouth (keyboard) to God's ears.
idalily| 11.9.11 @ 4:58PM
And sometimes, great leaders arise because circumstance force them to do so. The times can sometimes make the man. Let us hope and pray that happens here.
Occam's Tool| 11.9.11 @ 10:02PM
Yup, Washington was something. He had more Gravitas than any President after him had.
Clinton| 11.9.11 @ 11:39AM
Richard Ryan,
I appreciate your input, but you probably need to tell Cain & his followers to quit smearing loyal Republicans and playing the blame game it is unseemly. I know it is hard for his devotees to accept he is a clown or worse.
It should be apparent to anyone not caught up in this bizarre cult of personality over Cain that he doesn’t even know what he believes and has a hard time with the truth – since he was a supporter of Bill Clinton he may be modeling himself after his old prez lack any real personal core values. This is why he is constantly changing his positions and clarifying ad nauseum.
His varied positions seem to be closer to Democrats or liberal Republicans. When he realizes his faux pas he comes out saying he didn’t say it, misspoke, the question was asked to fast or whatever suits him at the moment. Herman Cain makes Mitt Romney look like a rock solid and principled conservative.
As for his current cock-up he started out lying and blaming everyone, but himself for his problem. This is Herman Cain's problem not the GOP, Perry or even the media. Had he made an honest statement to begin with this might be over, but one wonders if there will be more allegations and victims that’s why he keeps finger pointing like a guilty little child and making up stories?
Republicans deserve better than Herman Cain. Granted he is a Tea Party favorite & the Tea Party claims no ideology or principles so maybe he is their perfect candidate, but he is not the best candidate for the 2012 election. The nation deserves better than Barack Obama. If our version of Barack Obama is our nominee there is a solid chance that someone as ignorant & devoid of political ability or real character as Herman Cain will lose disastrously and take our Party over the cliff with him.
While I have doubts about Gingrich John is right about Herman Cain. To paraphrase him Cain is a zero.
irish19| 11.10.11 @ 2:05AM
Cain's accusers are backing off as more becomes known about them. I think he will weather this storm and be wiser and stronger for it.
Margie| 11.9.11 @ 11:57AM
Paul-bots despise genuine men that are genuine conservatives because of their anti-American, anti-Israel and anti-war agenda.
Thus they hate Herman Cain and join with the Left's attempted destruction of him.
Lukewarm phony "compassionate" Leftist butt kissing Christians despise genuine men and genuine conservatives because of their desire for another Republican Establishment fraud in the people's House. Therefore they also join with the Left's attempted destruction of Herman Cain.
As for me? Me and my house shall serve the LORD.
We will be voting for the nominee, Herman Cain, who, God willing will win the Presidency of these united States of America.
Country Class Women for Herman Cain 2012!
Oh, and p.s.~ IF it isn't Herman Cain who becomes the nominee, genuine conservatives will vote for WHOEVER does become the nominee, because our only agenda is to oust the present Socialist dictator-in-chief from office.
Clint| 11.9.11 @ 6:08PM
Crank Lady Margie Is The RINO-CINO,Who Said She Would Vote For The RINO-CINO Mittens Romney.
We Are Being Set Up By RINO-CINO Flunkie Stooges For The Ruling Elites' Frontman Mittens Romney.
These Are The RINO-CINO Flunkie Stooges Who Gave Us The Serial Traitor To Conservatism, John McCain Of McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy,McCain-Lieberman,Gang Of 14, Opposing Bush Tax Cuts Of 2001 & 2003,TARP.
Now They Are Trying To Give Us RomneyCare,TARP, Cynical Flip-Flops On Abortion, Gays, Refuses to Sign Pro-Life Pledge, Illegal Immigrants, "Little Chain Saw Al" At Bain, Crony Capitalism Campaign Money Trail.....
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Mimi| 11.9.11 @ 11:59AM
I think we lost the OHIO vote because , they should have kept the Fireman and Police out of the mix. In most instances public employees especially those that are critical should have never been allowed to unionize.
The search in the GOP for the best candidate is captivating America...LOT of interest! We need to be careful and choose with great care, this time around.....The Dem's are getting RIDICULOUS in trying to destroy our guys as they achieve top of the POLL status....They are imploding, it all backfires! "WHEN YOU SPIT it will BOOMERANG and land on your NOSE"
they think they have to have an election of LIES to WIN...poor things!
Drunken Sailor| 11.9.11 @ 12:40PM
Mimi, you nailed the reason for Ohio's failure.
DTOM| 11.9.11 @ 4:08PM
Kasich shoulda talked to Scott Walker...
irish19| 11.10.11 @ 2:07AM
This should serve as a lesson in what the limits are for beginning to roll back the power of public employee unions.
irish19| 11.10.11 @ 2:08AM
And Obamacare took it on the chin in Ohio, so there is a silver lining.
Clinton| 11.9.11 @ 12:01PM
One of the few honest statement by Herman "Anthony Weiner" Cain that will be ignored by his Obama like devotees and those that want to give him a pass based on his race.
“As you know, when you run for the highest office of the land, there are going to be some accusations that are going to come out of the woodwork, they’re going to come from anywhere,” said Cain. “I have said this before: there will probably be others. Not because I’m aware of any, but because the machine to keep a businessman out of the White House is going to be relentless. And if they continue to come, I will continue to respond. I can’t answer why the ones that have already made these [accusations]…I can’t tell you what their motivation is, other than to try to stop Herman Cain.”
Dagny Taggert| 11.9.11 @ 12:40PM
I think Obama and the dem machine want Romney, because they already know how they will fight him: LBO job-destroyer, rich, heartless, racist and even pull out the flip-flop card. They're scared of Cain. They don't know how they'll fight him. Heaven forbid a successful black man shine the light on a self-responsbillity theme for fixing the "race inequity" problem. Cain's also a straight-shooting talker. Political pablum is the choice for professional politicians--an Obama/Romney election would be a continuation of that vague, rhetorical style. The dems win that way, knowing the majority of the electorate is too stupid to see through the BS. Poltical pablum DOESN'T stack up to straight-talk. Especially when the straight talk is given from an intelligent man like Cain. Cain's style is very appealing because he doesn't sound like a politician. That and his simple arguments with smart conclusions will appeal to the independents who will decide this thing.
irish19| 11.10.11 @ 2:09AM
Absolutely right!!!
Diaz Allan | 11.9.11 @ 1:33PM
nice post..... :-)
Clinton| 11.9.11 @ 1:57PM
Danny Taggert,
After 4 years of Barack Obama independents will never vote for Cain who is even more inexperienced & ignorant than Obama was in 2008. His inability to explain his own position on issues or even give a lucid explanation of 9.99 is not only unimpressive it is proof of his incompetence.
He's also going to pay for his inability to be straight shooter & his flip flopping as much as his lack of knowledge about domestic & foreign policy.
Thanks to the Cainites mindless cult of personality and self-delusion they’ll turn a blind eye to his dishonesty & lack of ability, but the Obama machine will have a hay day with this bumbling, inept & disingenuous clown
irish19| 11.10.11 @ 2:12AM
There are some essential differences. Cain has a record of achievement that anyone is free to check. It is not hidden. Also, Cain has actually held a real live job. Finally, Cain went through the Jim Crow experience, something Obama never did. Cain is authentic where Obama is a complete fraud. As is Romney.
diviz| 11.9.11 @ 2:47PM
How is a personal retirement account different from the roth & 401k accounts I already have? Wouldn't it be much less redundent to increase the limits on the current retirement accounts and cut taxes?
zelda| 11.9.11 @ 4:41PM
I watched the debate and thought it was really good. I really like Gingrich and thought he offered up some sensible and realistic reforms. Cain is a lightweight in comparison.
Naturalborn Texican| 11.9.11 @ 6:53PM
Have misgivings about Herman, even though I like him......did before his accusers stepped forward. Still do now. and it has very little to do with the accusations. He doesn't have the experience to be president. The financial condition of our country is only one area of a myraid number of critical of issues that the future president MUST have an understanding of and a working knowledge about. Herman doesn't have the experience he needs to be president. I personally do not want anther "learning on the job" president.
I like Newt, despite his baggage. He is extremely smart, knows the history of the U.S., the constitution, and the workings of our political system like the back of his hand.
And I like Perry. He's been an effective and successful governor with a portfolio of experience in many areas that no other governors have had the opportunity-or necessity- to deal with. Most people in American do not understand him, and really have no inkling regarding his successes as governor of Texas.
Ron Paul is also a fellow Texan, but he would be a disaster when it comes to defense as an isolationist who wants to gut our armed forces.
Romney is NOT on my radar......
It is too early to decide, for me. And only time will tell.
Occam's Tool| 11.9.11 @ 10:05PM
Oh no, Texican, Clint is going to ream you about the difference between an isolationist and an interventionalist....as if it matters.
Dr. Paul has forgotten the first rule of Medicine, which is also the first rule of international statecraft---deal with the problem while it is small, and tthen one will not have to deal with a rampaging problem.
On foreign policy, he's an idiot, Paul is.
David| 11.9.11 @ 8:33PM
Mr. Ferrara, you mentioned the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) as one of the ways to keep working people out of poverty.
PLEASE explain to me how stealing from federal income tax paying citizens is is any way an American ideal or can even pass constitutional scrutiny?
As I have said many times on this site, the EITC is one of the most disturbing of the various ways to redistribute wealth. The actual taxpayers have their hard earned money confiscated, not for any targeted reason for the less fortunate such as rent, housing, food, medical care, medical insurance, etc., but they are very hefty cash GIFTS to the recipients every year to SPEND ON WHATEVER THEY WISH - NOT ON THE NEEDS OF THEM OR THEIR FAMILIES - BUT ON THEIR WANTS. THERE IS NOTHING THEY ARE PROHIBITED FROM BUYING WITH MY HARD-EARNED MONEY.
Again, Mr. Ferrara, how can you, Newt, or any other right-thinking person support such theft?
Naturalborn Texicanette| 11.9.11 @ 10:24PM
Thanks for the warning, Tool.
Clint is a pesky gnat that I simply swat away or ignore. I don't care to cater to his of his lack of a decent vocabulary. His vulgarities remind me of a teenager who spouts forbidden words in order to impress his juvenile friends.
I think Ron Paul is a good decent man who does his best, but he is not presidential material. Clint's ti-raids most likely turn people AGAINST Ron Paul and rather than inspire them to vote for him.......
POST American| 11.9.11 @ 10:45PM
---------------------BOTTOM LINE---------------------
UNLESS they find a credible, NON-Globalist,
NON-CFR con-job, non--EUGENICS agenda figure,
to run in 2012, the MOST patriotic thing
a REAL American can do ----is to cast a blank ballot.
"The country's been hijacked by
offshore Globalist banking cartels.
--FACE IT."
-ALEX JONES
(Infowars)
-----------------------------------------FACE IT. . .
irish19| 11.10.11 @ 2:14AM
Who says nobody does acid anymore?
johninflorida| 11.12.11 @ 10:26AM
Every time "Post" posts, I feel I have to comment but I don't know why as what he posts is totally null.
This time, Irish, you posted THE most appropriate response to "Post" and all I can add is my thank you for your comment.
POST American| 11.13.11 @ 11:22PM
----------------------FNAL WORD-----------------------
------------------------'FACE IT'--------------------------
wedding dresses | 11.14.11 @ 3:16AM
As I have said many times on this site, the EITC is one of the most disturbing of the various ways to redistribute wealth. The actual taxpayers have their hard earned money confiscated, not for any targeted reason for the less fortunate such as rent, housing, food, medical care, medical insurance, etc., but they are very hefty cash GIFTS to the recipients every year to SPEND ON WHATEVER THEY WISH - NOT ON THE NEEDS OF THEM OR THEIR FAMILIES - BUT ON THEIR WANTS. THERE IS NOTHING THEY ARE PROHIBITED FROM BUYING WITH MY HARD-EARNED MONEY.