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The Nation's Pulse
When Teens Attack
Why do our urban youth lack a respect for human life?
My wife and I have different perspectives on the youth violence epidemic that currently plagues our urban neighborhood. She thinks some of the miscreants could be helped by more targeted after-school programs staffed by caring adults. I think there are plenty after-school programs and, besides, the teens perpetrating the violence, often after 11 p.m., are not the sort of individuals who would attend after-school programs. I believe more extreme measures are in order.
The back-story: since early summer, packs of up to a dozen young teenagers have been accosting random middle-aged or elderly males in an attempt to knock them out with a single blow to the head. At least seven such attacks have occurred in our part of town. One elderly Vietnamese immigrant has already died as a result. Last week, the mayor of St. Louis, Francis Slay, drove up as a group of young thugs was strolling casually away after one such assault. This week, seven juveniles, mostly between the ages of 13-14, were arrested for two separate incidents. Mayor Slay said he would like to see the teens charged as adults. Speaking to reporters, the mayor said:
In my mind, this is attempted murder… You crack someone like that and walk away nonchalantly like they did when we pulled up, they have no respect for human life or their fellow human beings.
The mayor’ s words were welcomed, but it was only dumb luck that he happened to be driving by at the time of the attack. Many of us wonder if the incident would have received the same level of attention had he not witnessed the carnage first hand.
The following day a local reporter interviewed a group of students at the nearby high school, including a few who proudly admitted participating in the so-called ” knockout game.” Those interviewed said they were bored, and, besides, the attacks were fun and made them popular. As for seriously injuring someone, one teen said: “You don’t know them, so why care about hurting them?”
Spoken like a true sociopath.
Community leaders preferred to ignore the teens’ own words and rather blamed a lack of funding — funding for their own programs, naturally. James Clark, vice president of community outreach for a group called Better Family Life, had this to say:
The root of this knockout game is the lack of recreational opportunities and neighborhood-based programs for our young people… there have to be more programs for teens in high-crime areas.
It is little wonder teens are indifferent to violence when they are repeatedly assured that their vicious behavior is not their fault. Blame a lack of hula-hoops and Frisbee golf. Blame a lack of finger painting classes.
THE NOTION THAT city kids could be so bored they would be driven to kill random strangers strikes me as incredible, to say the least. It is a well-known stereotype that rural teens have little to do but drink booze on country roads and perhaps tip over cows. However, it was a surprise for me to learn that city kids were similarly bored. After all, they live in the big city. Don’ t young people move to the city for the excitement, and not because they want peace and relaxation? To paraphrase Dr. Johnson, ” If you are bored with the city, you are bored with life.”
I grew up in a small, working-class city, a place captured perfectly in the early songs of fellow hometowners Jeff Tweedy and Jay Farrar. Like most young teens, my friends and I were bored from time to time. But mostly we created our own diversions. Our free time was filled with skateboarding, sandlot football, bike riding, roller skating, hiking through nearby woods, fishing, and building go-carts, tree houses, and bicycle trails. We had newspaper routes and cut our neighbors’ grass for pocket change. We were involved in high school sports and cub scouts. I could go on and on. And we sure didn’ t have the countless free programs and recreational facilities that the city offers its residents.
If nothing else, last week’ s attacks may finally have gotten St. Louis’ s Democratic mayor’ s attention. This week he blasted the ” more-programs” mentality and called instead for more individual responsibility.
If city officials do indeed charge the teens as adults, that will likely put an end to the knockout game quicker than decades of community outreach ever could. It would send a clear message that violence is not funny and it’ s not a game. And that would be a start.
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aj| 11.3.11 @ 6:26AM
Seriously, ASO actually pays for this kind of material? The 'midnight basketball' approach has been ridiculed since it's inception. What else is new?
DTOM| 11.3.11 @ 7:04AM
aj;
If you read the piece a little more carefully you'd notice that Mr. Orlet is against the midnight basketball approach. HE agrees with you. He calls for personal responsibility, prosecution for wrong-doing; that was exactly NOT what midnight basketball was about. You just don't seem to want to agree with him.
BHO| 11.3.11 @ 1:20PM
They need to enlist the community to start packing a gun and mow the thugs down with rewards for citizens who stop crimes in progress.
SGT Baker (Native Coloradean)| 11.3.11 @ 6:33AM
Shoot a few of the teens, that would stop the nonsense. If those gentleman carried a firearm and used it to defend themselves, I think said teens might think this is a bad idea to attack people.
DTOM| 11.3.11 @ 7:09AM
D'ya think they've heard of concealed carry in 49 states yet? Of course, Illinois, just across the river from St. Louis is the singularly stupid state.
The trick here is they're trying to take you out with a single blow with no warning - so you have to 'duck and cover' them. Stay on your toes, America!
bart simpson| 11.3.11 @ 9:51PM
We need a return of vigilantism, plain and simple. A 25-cent round to the head, and it's over for that miscreant. They don't respect life, at least for others, so they don't deserve to live.............
henry| 11.3.11 @ 6:49AM
In South Africa we have gang initiations. A popular one is to drive around at night with headlights on bright. If someone flashes their headlights, they are chased down and the initiate has to shoot the driver of the other car.
In Europe it has become popular to shine laser lights at airplanes coming in to land. Maybe the Catholics have it right, and we’ve all died and are living in purgatory.
pineapple| 11.3.11 @ 7:17AM
In America plenty of people have concealed carry. One is not so brave when looking down a barrel of a 1911.
Maxwell| 11.3.11 @ 7:58AM
I just checked with my law firm of Wilson, Brown, Baer, & Springfield, they also agree with your statement. However, in New Jersey there is no CCW & Chris Christie said it will NEVER happen.
Lauretta, my wife was an inner city middle school teacher, she would back up your statement.
Lagarto Rey| 11.3.11 @ 9:30AM
As an anesthesiology resident in Newark, NJ, I never went unarmed, inside or out, had my head on a swivel and ALWAYS had a concealed firearm. Am I a tough guy? No way, I'm a big wimp. If you need "permission" to DEFEND YOUR LIFE, your a fool!!!!
Skippy| 11.3.11 @ 1:02PM
Always be prepared to kill the next guy who walks by.
It is sadly the only way to survive in a city today.
bull-gator| 11.3.11 @ 1:43PM
# 27 USMC rules for gun fighting: Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
c. j. acworth| 11.3.11 @ 4:59PM
Better tried by 12 than carried by 6.
Patrick| 11.3.11 @ 3:00PM
In situations like this, the gun is next to useless. Learn hand to hand self defense.
Tryon| 11.3.11 @ 11:01AM
These young hoodlums in St. Louis--all black males--grow up in chaotic home environments. The mothers have no intention of giving their children the attention they need. No father is there to guide them. This, however, is only part of the problema.
The young male culture of violence is reflected in their hoodies clothing and in their aggressive, discordant, and obscene "music." This is true also of young white males' musical tastes--the abrasive heavy metal crap.
Young male culture is shit, and that's the way they like it. As for music, melody is the last thing they want to hear. Melody is for "faggots." They had rather listen to --what sounds to me like-- people being tortured. " . . .Get on duh flo, bitch. I'm gonna fuck ya . . ." Lovely, and full of testosterone.
The popular culture is controlled by young males for young males; that's why it is so shitty. The young male mentality has to be challenged, and the swaggerers of young male bravado punished severely.
^00^| 11.3.11 @ 11:06AM
Righto, Tryon.
Who could be meaner than a snotty 13 or 14 year old male. As I recall from junior high, they are downright evil at this age--if not all of them, then a majority of them. F'in EVIL.
TrueBlue| 11.3.11 @ 1:54PM
I refuse to blame it on the music too much. It's more the parents not making sure the kids understand what they are listening to, at least in the case of heavy metal anyway... I listen to it, and have for almost 20 years, yet I treat other people with respect, am constantly told how polite I am. I open doors for others, help out where I can, spent 6 years active military and am now in the Reserves.
It's the parents, the schools teaching them it's not their fault, the laws not being upheld because someone MIGHT have had a troubled childhood, and the IDOLIZATION of the entertainment industry (Hollywood, sports, music). The fact that it's okay to idolize people that show no responsibility and then demonize the people who make something of themselves in an industry that actually produces something is just sad (lawyers and politicians do not count in this category).
Jobe| 11.17.11 @ 9:31AM
It seems that we who are not a part of this "shit" are in the process of a "chicken/egg" argument. Does the music make the violence more prevalent, or is the music a result of the violence? While this might be a sociological problem, these insensitive, violent, vicious immitations of humans need to be eradicated with greater force than they expend against the rest of us. I don't want to "try to understand", "seek the root cause", or "rehabilitate" these rabid animals.
jan| 11.3.11 @ 8:37PM
a reminder not to visit SA
Stan Redmond| 11.3.11 @ 9:28PM
Sounds like old urban legends to me.
pineapple| 11.3.11 @ 7:10AM
It saddens me to see that American Spectator has become so politically correct that we cannot mention "who" the perpetrators are.
Teaghan| 11.3.11 @ 7:55AM
Do you want to know the color of their skin? Let's ask Mr Orlet. Chris, were that black, latino or white kids? But Pineapple, does it really matter? The fact is that 13 yr old boys are doing this and it says much about our society.
ConantheContrarian| 11.3.11 @ 9:03AM
Yes, it does matter. Black on anybody else crime is ever increasing, especially black on white crime. The thirteen year old boys who are doing these kinds of deeds are overwhelmingly black. It is war on white people, and it will escalate.
MOS was 71331| 11.3.11 @ 10:04AM
Conan is probably correct, but Teaghan has a good point as well. Whether the perps are black or white, they should ALL be dealt with. Attempted murder is a serious crime.
Sheila| 11.3.11 @ 11:17AM
Yes, it does matter. Culture is a product of race, which is a biological reality and not a social construct. Mr. Orlet oh, so carefully tiptoes around the unmentionable issue that the knockout game is a black past time. TAS has not suddenly "become so politically correct;" it has been so for years now. For unexpurgated, no PC-holds barred true reporting and comments on this nation's black undertow, visit http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/
pineapple| 11.3.11 @ 12:24PM
The site is listed on my favorites bar which include The Thug Report and American Renaissance. Does this make me a racist? Not the least bit. Just one who's eyes have been opened.
pineapple| 11.3.11 @ 12:26PM
OK, just a bit!
GW| 11.3.11 @ 1:04PM
Good link. More and more mainstream conservatives (who are undoubtedly white) need to understand the perils a diverse ethnicity and culture has on the republic. Countries can survive socialism for a time as economic liberty can return but culture never comes back.
Seek| 11.3.11 @ 2:12PM
Sheila, you're a diamond in the rough. Yes, race DOES matter.
Al Adab| 11.4.11 @ 12:15PM
Sheila:
Culture is not a product of race. Read Thomas Sowell: Race and Cultures. Many people actually emigrate in order to become part of a culture that offers better circunstnaces than they might find in the one they were born into. Cultural assimilation is an ongoing fact. No all that long ago the President of Peru was of Japanese extraction, yet he was Peruvian a product of immigrants.
Jane| 11.17.11 @ 9:22PM
I love that site.
well, well, well| 11.3.11 @ 11:20AM
We all know WHO the perpetrators are: mostly young, black males.
But like Tryon says in the above post, it's the Hollywood entertainment establishment--made up mostly of YOUNG MALES--who are catering to the violence of these muggers. Their entertainment products--games, movies, music--encourages random violence.
Toxic Hollywood--ruled by YOUNG MALES-- gets away with . . . murder!
Seek| 11.3.11 @ 2:11PM
Utter nonsense. If Hollywood is glamourizing anything, it's cops doing their job. And not just Dirty Harry.
Appleby| 11.3.11 @ 7:11AM
"You don't know them, so why care about hurting them?"
What I notice is that these brats dont use the pronoun *I* -- could this be because they have no souls? I recall a SF story from the 1980s (when SF was basically New Wave dreck) that postulated that God had created only so many souls, and the population had increased beyond that number. Gives me pause, anyway.
I think its time for Charles Bronson...
Teaghan| 11.3.11 @ 7:56AM
Or Dirty Harry~
Bill| 11.3.11 @ 9:55AM
Or even Jody Foster.
Seek| 11.3.11 @ 2:10PM
Yeah, baby. Neil Jordan's "The Brave One" (2007) was a cool flick, especially when Jodie Foster's character defended herself in that subway car.
Richard Rogers| 11.4.11 @ 7:22AM
Gollum in "The Lord of the Rings" had lost his soul and could not day "I". He strangled his prey from behind
P.Smith| 11.3.11 @ 7:13AM
This is a function of the breakdown of the family. We subsidize irresponsible women to have children with absentee fathers and then wonder what has happened. Anyone who would hit an elderly person for fun and games should be hunted and gunned down like a rabid dog. There is no hope for children like these with the one exception of the forgiveness through Christ, which is true for all men. Without Christ there is no hope.
KyMouse| 11.3.11 @ 11:28AM
Indeed, the root cause of this behavior is sin, a spiritual problem, not boredom. Jeremiah 17:9 -- "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked..."
Buck Ofama| 11.3.11 @ 3:24PM
>no hope for children like these
Correction: use "vermin like these."
Civil Wrongs| 11.3.11 @ 7:29AM
The biggest mistake ever made the 1964 Civil Rights Act giving blackie license to mayhem and murder of whitey with government's good house keeping seal of approval.
Teaghan| 11.3.11 @ 7:57AM
OUCH!
Brian Mc| 11.3.11 @ 7:31AM
The de-sensitizing is running amok. While watching "Saving Private Ryan" in the theatre, a torture that I usually avoid, a teen in the row in front of us shouted, "Cool", when the torso was being dragged by the lead character across the beach. Is it any wonder we are in the fix we are in?
Hollywood and the game industry are going to have a lot to answer for come judgement day...for having led so many of God's young and impressionable to their doom. Let's not even mention the parents who condone it all through their ineptness at policing it.
Seek| 11.3.11 @ 8:07PM
The fact that a kid can misinterpret a depicted act of war doesn't mean that the filmmaker is culpable in any way. War is hell. If a movie graphically shows it...good.
John| 11.3.11 @ 7:32AM
It is interesting that Mr. Orlet does not mention the racial aspect of this phenomena. This is not a local problem. It is a problem throughout Western society. As Theodore Dalrymple has written about French cities, "A kind of anti-society has grown up in them, a population that derives the meaning of its life from the hatred it bears for the other, 'official,' society in France." It is not boredom but hatred.
jan| 11.3.11 @ 8:41PM
in this country it's the urban young blacks ( where are jessie jerkson and al not so sharp on this?), in France it's the muslim youth in the Banlieus
Sue| 11.3.11 @ 7:36AM
It comes down to a single occurrence in our Country: Identifying with groups instead of individualism, and the government has led the way. When you see yourself as an individual participating in society as a free person, you see everyone as individuals and free. It's the government's fault, pure and simple.
You see it in education, "group" the children around a table and don't encourage too much "hand raising" as it might offend the others. You see every night on the news, this "group" or that "group" wants this or that. You see it on bumper stickers, in books, newspapers - just like you see it here - "groups" or "gangs" going around. No, they are Joe, Jack, Winston, Albert, Barry, from East Main Street, going around attempting murder. See the difference?
Group think and group mentality leads to a devaluation of humans which leads to massive, evil outcomes.
Aces and Eights| 11.3.11 @ 7:38AM
According to George Miller (D, CA) "Midnight Basketball" was supposed to cure all this.
Stormzeye| 11.3.11 @ 7:42AM
We all know the social causes of this wanton disregard for societal norms, disrespect for the vulnerable, and rejection of traditional modes of behavior. Progressive notions of victimhood, Hollywood's glorification of violence, government's war on religion in public life and marginalization of the traditional family structure. I see no solution but in the fundamental restructuring of society through ten election cycles of conservative success. It will take a minimum of forty years to change our culture and restore the traditions of our founders.
Teaghan| 11.3.11 @ 8:02AM
Stormzeye, you wrapped it up well. Great post.
WRTolkas| 11.3.11 @ 8:27AM
Dear Stormzeye,
Forty years, the same length of time Moses led his flock though the desert to purge that generation of iniquity. An interesting parallel here.
Lev Tolstoy| 11.3.11 @ 10:37AM
Two generations. That's the common link.
Lauretta| 11.3.11 @ 7:47AM
I believe, in most all cases, it is the breakdown of the family structure - no 'sober' FATHER in the home. Divorce and single parenting was not as prevalent in my years.
Becky| 11.3.11 @ 8:30AM
All good comments regarding causes. I agree also with Lauretta in that the number of divorce and single parent families have a greater collective impact than in years past. It doesn't take a village, it takes parents. I think this is a root cause of larger behaviors.
Mayor Nutter also had a barn burner of a speech regarding young people and criminal gang activity earlier this year.
1,000,000 C| 11.3.11 @ 2:39PM
well… I believe that GOOD parents strongly increase the likelihood of good children….
and a village of good parents strongly increase the likelihood of societal concord….
but what if the village is full of lay-abouts…..or communists ? what then ?…
(am I being judgmental? whadaya think???)
I think giving credit to the idea of the necessity of the village without addressing its members' characteristics simply sets the stage for a paternalistic government to "help" people overcome their
"mis-guided" belief that they should feel responsible for the upbringing of their offspring….
after all, the "village" knows better…..
uh….but who IS this chimeric village???
( ummm…. if not its sovereign members [families] , wouldn't the default be its "leaders" ?)
seems to me that many of these sociopaths-in-the-making have been mistreated by both their putative families AND their villages….
wanna comment, Dr. Clinton?
OregonBuzz| 11.3.11 @ 8:45AM
We, as a nation, have shoved the term self respect aside in favor of the platitude, self esteem. There is a vast difference between those two. I'm not the least surprised that we are discovering that teens and as many young adults have no respect for their peers, their parents (if they know them) or almost anything in our society outside themselves. This is due to the simple fact that they have no self respect and in fact don't even understand the term.
As for teens being bored, my grandmother taught me something about that. I told her one day that I was bored. She immediaately introduced me to a wheelbarrow, a shovel and a chicken coop that needed cleaning. Amazingly, I was never bored after that.
mzk1| 11.3.11 @ 8:51AM
AJ:
Old news? A clintonian argument. If the other side still makes the argument, we have to counter it.
I was horrified. Perhaps human life means nothing to you.
mzk1| 11.3.11 @ 8:55AM
I just want to register my protest at the (fortunately) small number racist comments cropping up here, possibly from trolls. Melanin does not cause crime. 40% single-parent-households does.
Maddox| 11.3.11 @ 9:50AM
You are correct, melanin does not cause crime but too many use it to excuse it. To find a solution all the factors in a problem must be considered. The leftist pandering to those with more melanin to win elections has contributed to the degradation of the black community and that must be addressed and corrected if we hope to save them and ourselves.
MOS was 71331| 11.3.11 @ 10:17AM
Why is it racist to observe that an identifiable 12% of the US population has been convicted for committing more than half of the murders in the US?
Skippy| 11.3.11 @ 1:31PM
"Profiling " used to be "an accurate description of the suspect".
No need to apologize to the fainthearted, and no need to feign outrage at a logical conclusion derived from clear evidence.
The problem with Black Americans is Black Americans.
None but they have allowed their children to become savage animals and their neighborhoods sewers.
To blame Big Daddy Whitey for legislating policies that promoted these outcomes ignores the responsibility of the participants.
In other words, excusing these behaviors to even a small degree because of misguided charity from Big Govt. is simply more of the Liberal Democrat "these poor stupid blacks can't wipe their butts without us, so we gotta help them with everything" mentality.
Heaping total culpability upon the perps(most have no functioning parents)is appropriate.
Gunning a few down sounds proper as well. And fun!
Drunken Sailor| 11.3.11 @ 4:12PM
"The problem with Black Americans is Black Americans."
Bill Cosby agrees with you and was basically ostracized by the Black Community.
GW| 11.3.11 @ 1:08PM
No, but higher levels of testerone and lower IQ scores may. When groups of white youths from the 'burbs start going around and jumping the elderly, flash-mobbing convenience stores, and shooting strangers--I'll say you are right.
Buck Ofama| 11.3.11 @ 3:27PM
Nor does melanin cause a pathologically disfunctional "culture" of beasts. Racist? So what? It's the TRUTH.
Le Cracquere| 11.3.11 @ 8:57AM
Thank you for educating the public, Mr. Orlet. My own life and the lives of people I care about have been marred irreparably by an aimless sociopath participating in the "knockout game" for mindless kicks. Worst senior manager ever...
Larry Kaufmann| 11.3.11 @ 9:31AM
Great article, as always. I especially appreciated the references to Uncle Tupelo and how kids used to find ways to amuse themselves that didn't involve aggravated assault.
BTW, I grew up in the St. Louis suburbs (south County) more or less around the same time Chris was (apparently) growing up in Belleville, across the river, and my childhood sounded remarkably similar to his. Think it's a coincidence that the breakdown of the family is happening at the same time the government decides to take a more direct role in helping kids during their free time? Hey, it's doing such a bang-up job educating them during the school day, why not diversify! (that's sarcasm, BTW).
Chris, I'm sure your wife is a lovely woman, but she's making a category error by thinking we need to outsource the job of childhood recreation to the government. Not everything that's worth doing should be done by the State. In fact, as government takes over more and more responsibilities for things that used to be provided by neighbors, churches and above all families, the breakdown of civil society becomes almost inevitable (at least in a big, messy diverse country like the US, maybe not so much in Sweden). Looks like Mayor Slay just may be coming around on this issue. Let's hope so.
Maddox| 11.3.11 @ 9:52AM
I would suggest Chris' wife attempt to work with some of these "wayward" youth in a recreational program herself. I think she will change her mind,
if she survives.
CalMark| 11.3.11 @ 3:59PM
I actually laughed out loud!
Hard reality is so much different than soft-hearted theory.
What are you waiting for Mrs. Orlet? Get donations of board games, "fun"educational materials, and other "wholesome" stuff and get out there to work with these underprivileged children! Put your money where your mouth is!
This is a microcosm of Ann Coulter's observation: Democrats would be almost winless in presidential elections if women didn't have the right to vote.
Not advocating taking the vote away from women. But it's fair to make an observation about too many women--like Mrs. Orlet--and their irrational emotionalism in making decisions.
Mrs. Orlet| 11.3.11 @ 8:31PM
Hello everybody. This is Mrs. Orlet. If you have read other columns by Chris, you might know that I am a social worker in our fair city. I have spent plenty of time with young people like the ones who have perpetrated this great violence. I, too, am disgusted by the Knockout Kings. There is absolutely zero justification of this behavior.
Would quality youth programming prevent some of these crimes? Yes. Not all of them, but some of them. If some of the kids in those groups had enough self respect to refuse to go along with the antisocial behavior, that could have stopped the attacks. Good programming can help kids develop that self respect. You will never, however, hear me argue that "programming" is more valuable than PARENTS. Parents are the most important people in any kid's life, and while programming can help when the parents are lacking, it cannot replace them.
Since I started typing, I might as well say that I am always annoyed that people resort to racist comments when Chris writes about urban issues. The young people who committed these crimes are not all black, or all white, or all of any one group, just like they are not all boys or all girls. Get over your outdated racist beliefs.
John Navratil| 11.3.11 @ 10:30PM
Mrs. Orlet,
Bless you for your efforts, they are not valueless. However, if your answer was THE solution, there would be no problem. By all means, save who you can, but your efforts invert responsibility.
At some point cost comes into the equation. Ask yourself, "what would it take to eliminate the 'Knockout Kings'?" All-night bowling? A new car? A villa and staff? Can you teach them morals, ethics, empathy?
Would chaining them to a post and hitting them with a baseball bat hard enough to knock them out impart any useful wisdom?
It isn't that there is "zero justification" for this activity. There is ample justification to refrain from this activity. The grand expanse in the middle is called civilization. Teach it if you can or expect the worst for them from society. I will not mourn.
Maddox| 11.4.11 @ 10:32AM
Mrs. Orlet, thank you for your reply and despite my comedic effort I do appreciate efforts to help those who want help.
I worked with black children through the elementary school here but realized the educational system was was the problem and no longer put myself through the frustration. My heart broke when I left to put my children in a great private school. There were good parents of black and white children, trapped by finances, who wanted better for their families.
I believe the only way to restore responsibility and opportunity to all youths in America is to change politics. Politicians have damned many black American families to dependency and it will take an overhaul of the political and educational systems to change this.
Should we give up? No but without a disciplined system that rewards achievement rather than punishing it, we are fighting a losing battle.
Carol| 11.4.11 @ 10:23AM
I have worked in Juvenile Justice...the courts seem to manipulate the statistics with a degree of selective incarceration...esp when county and state budgets are tight...BTW...working with these kids/criminals...is not for the faint of heart...
John Navratil| 11.3.11 @ 12:54PM
Larry,
Bingo. It is not society's responsibility to the individual to ensure he doesn't do the crime, it is the individual's responsibility to society. We're not talking about stealing a loaf of bread to eat, here. I don't, and I suspect the victim doesn't, care why one does the crime, but THAT one does it. By not punishing the crime, society enables it.
Seek| 11.3.11 @ 2:08PM
I'm a St. Louis native, too. I learned first-hand about true predatory black behavior in ways too countless to fit here.
emilio lizardo, PhD| 11.3.11 @ 9:34AM
Interesting how the sanitization of speech and political correctness has seeped into even the Mossbacks' journals. "Urban youth" indeed.
Nina| 11.3.11 @ 9:38AM
I bet most of these kids have no fear of their parents anger when they get home! No punishment. I bet their parents say it wasn't their kid doing it. You want to act like a man and think that clubbing some defenseless person up side the head is being a man, well guess what? Get out and start living like a man and find your own food and shelter! I'm sure most of the parents are too tired to do anything or they just don't care. . It has been my experience also that for kids to find places to hang out, when they do find such a place, someone complains about lights, noise or something....and as stated, most of these kids are not the type to go somewhere after school to hang out. Besides, why are 13-14 yo out after 11 pm?
MOS was 71331| 11.3.11 @ 10:21AM
I think you're right, Nina. And your last question, "why are 13-14 year olds out after 11 pm?", deserves an answer.
Bill| 11.3.11 @ 9:59AM
I don't really care WHY the kids do this kind of stuff. When they do it, for whatever reason, they are showing at best a depraved indifference to human life, and at worst, they're at war with civilization.
In either case, their conduct is so dangerous that it must be confronted with the use of deadly force. If they strike from concealment so that the victim can't usually protect himself, then our increasingly declining social monetary resources must be diverted from the social clubs to the police, so that we can have eyes and ears to help us defend ourselves from those who would do violence to us.
MOS was 71331| 11.3.11 @ 10:22AM
Amen, Bill.
Bill| 11.3.11 @ 10:02AM
I saw a fellow with a T-shirt yesterday. The T-shirt said, "I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy."
MOS was 71331| 11.3.11 @ 10:22AM
I like it!
Bydand76| 11.3.11 @ 10:13AM
A quick side note:
I personally would include the music industry in this critique as well.
For starters you have "Gangsta Rap" which idolizes the "thug" lifestyle and promotes open drug use, promiscous sex, and the open disregard for authority to hardcore "Metal/Death Metal" which is openly Socialist and Anti-Christian/Religion and has a healthy disregard for authority as well to the point of being openly violent towards any who oppose their collective point of view.
You have the psuedo-neo "Emo" folk music scene (which is nothing more than stupid suburban complaint rock IMHO) that espouses alternate lifestyles and again preaches left-wing ideology non-stop.
Then, you have the Top 40 / Pop scene constantly bombarding you with the next outlandish "over-the-top" star who has to out-do his or her predecessor by becoming more sexually provacative and socially sensational in order to be successful. It is ridiculous!
I am not saying that a person should not listen to their choice of music, but, what I am saying is that highly impressionable youth take some of this garbage to heart and idolize these folks to the point of taking their work literally as gospel.
Admitedly, I am opening up a can of proverbial worms and I know there is a market for this stuff, and far be it for me to sound like I am advocating for censorship OR whatever, but take it for what it is I guess. Look at how the music itself is marketed and WHO it is targeted AT! That is all I am saying.
Pay attention to what the kids are listening to folks.
(Damn! I sound like my Father....)
fmm| 11.3.11 @ 12:03PM
The fact that you are not advocating censorship is part of the problem.
Seek| 11.3.11 @ 2:15PM
People like you were part of the problem centuries ago.
Bydand76| 11.3.11 @ 3:37PM
How so sir?
Government intrusion in any form, including censorship, is despicable .
The fact that you would advocate for that is highly suspect and I would further venture that you have absolutely no clue what-so-ever what you are talking about.
What form of censorship would you say is appropriate?
Seek| 11.3.11 @ 2:06PM
Actusally, you sound like a race-denier -- the kind of person who thinks that pack attacks aren't a product of black culture, but a part of multiracial empire downward spiral, a la Edward Gibbon.
As for music, I'll take Trent Reznor over 50 Cent. I'm a man of taste and distinction.
Bydand76| 11.3.11 @ 3:28PM
How you managed to come to that conclusion is beyond me Seek,
I said nothing about race. Much less anything about declining empires or Ed Gibbon. Calm down hero. Please re-read my post.
By the way.. Trent Reznor is a David Bowie liberal clone .
50-cent is a Republican gangsta rapper.......
Go figure......
Seek| 11.3.11 @ 8:09PM
If 50 Cent is Republican, we can do without him. Reznor/NIN rules.
mzk1| 11.3.11 @ 10:46AM
I have no problem with identifying the group the perperators belong to, but one should verify that this does not happen with fatherless "children" who are not Black, whose number is unfortunately increasing daily. At one time there was a difference, but I am not so sure anyomore.
Regarding racist comments, I particularly intended the post attacking the Civil Rights act. If he had attacked, say, AFDC, I would have agreed. When searching for the guilty party, there are plenty of White fingerprints on the knife-handle.
Regarding black-on-white crime, most black-on- crime is black-on-black. The overwhelming majority of any group are decent. Havign gone to school in a depressed area (Washington Heights, NYC), I successfully staked my safety on that fact.
Sheila| 11.3.11 @ 11:19AM
Most black crime is not black on black, but black on White. For statistics and background, visit http://unamusementpark.wordpress.com/
mzk1| 11.3.11 @ 10:52AM
"I bet most of these kids have no fear of their parents anger when they get home!"
I bet most of these kids have no "parents". At most they may have mothers, and some not even that.
Ann Coulter was right; there has been an intentional destruction of the family. The Soviets tried this in the beginning of the USSR, and they had wild packs of boys running around.
Some have decent parents, but those may be (justifiably) afraid of their kids.
Skippy| 11.3.11 @ 1:43PM
My darling bride refers to these soulless white youths as "Russian orphans".
No parents; useless schools; endless excusing of improper behaviors.
A person raised with no guidance other than that of The State has a predictable future.
Petronius| 11.3.11 @ 10:52AM
Savages borne of Savages descended from Savages. They rule our streets because the self serving legal establishment lets them. We must wrest control of our cultural institutions from the liberals and then declare open season on all who refuse to behave according to traditional moral standards . We need a central government that will hold all to it and serve notice upon every predator, pervert, and parasite. Either change your ways or you will not live Here!
well, well, well| 11.3.11 @ 11:52AM
How about young male savages. Young male! Got it?
Unamused | 11.3.11 @ 12:25PM
Actually, if you've been keeping track of these incidents over the past few years (as I have), you'll know that they're NOT just young men. There are grown men, little children, and plenty of women among these so-called savages attacking "random" people (mostly white) in the streets.
But they are all black.
Enzo from St. Louis| 11.3.11 @ 1:18PM
They are 99% young black males, full of testoterone and depraved brains.
Did I say, "brains." I meant the organ in their head that is so lacking in intelligence and knowledge that it would not really qualify as a "brain" in the usual sense.
There, I've said it--spoken the truth. As a counselor I have talked with some of these miscreants. Try to carry on a sustained conversation with them. Impossible! They lack the language skills. Obscend street talk is their only vernacular.
Sorry to be so blunt, but . . .
Seek| 11.3.11 @ 8:10PM
Only 99%?
Bill Diebold| 11.3.11 @ 11:31AM
...these little progenies are products of their parent(s) life skills teachings. When the lad and or lassie commits assault or worse, the life skills teacher is a direct accomplice in the crime. When my car acts up I don't have someone fix my garage. I realize it would be wildly optomistic if not blatently liberal to assume that penalizing either party would result in some sort of behavior modification but at least this dangerous alliance is out of circulation while the lawyers and judges manage to set the sewage free.
Basil Duke| 11.3.11 @ 11:33AM
21-year St. Louis-region resident speaking here: There are huge swaths of both St. Louis City and St. Louis County that for years have effectively been "no go" zones for anyone who values his or her life. These areas - North City and North County, primarily - are inhabited almost exclusively by black people. Recently, we've seen the feral beasts spawned in these areas seeping into 'other' areas, like The Loop and once-tony malls like The Galleria, to beat, scream, steal and generally infect mainstream society with their sociopathy. Our tax dollars paid for their transportation (Metrolink).
Other than The Whirl - a black-owned, tabloid-style newspaper that exists to publicize the criminal elements of the black race - you hear NOTHING from the local media or local 'leaders" about the moral sickness so common in the regional black race. St. Louis City is exclusively run by Democrats - a hellish blend of black race pimps and leftwing white liberals. The local daily, The Post Dispatch, is, even as it dies a painful and much-deserved death, still mindlessly trumpets "diversity" as the cure for all ills. And meanwhile, packs of homicidal young beasts - diversity's frontline soldiers - run loose throughout the land, trying to kill people ... because they can!
In terms of solutions, it's too late for someone demented enough to engage in this kind of behavior. You can't train a rabid dog to fetch a paper. But you can put it down. And you should.
Gary| 11.3.11 @ 11:57AM
Bloody wankers, it's Clockwork Orange! These cretins are not interested in mundane amusements such as sports or social programs. They are truly sociopaths, pampered, praised for nothing, reared with no discipline and deserve the worst punishment legally available. I'm glad I live in the country.
1ConservativeUSA| 11.3.11 @ 12:00PM
Liberals are disabled when it comes to assigning proper responsibility and personal responsibility.
Seek| 11.3.11 @ 2:03PM
Actually, most white liberals are well-behaved, if somewhat deluded. As for blacks, not so much.
Kingofthenet| 11.3.11 @ 12:07PM
It's Pack mentality, MOST of these kids wouldn't do a thing to ANYONE Mano-Mano because they are undersized idiots, but get a bunch together and you have some wilding. This is why Cops break up groups of kids, to prevent this 'Strength in Numbers' situation.
Kingofthenet| 11.3.11 @ 12:14PM
Here is what you do to protect yourself, Get yourself a BIG can of Pepper Spray and a Collapsible Asp, hit the BIGGEST hoodlum in the eyes with the Pepper Spray, than when he is blinded, beat him down with the ASP. Tell em when your done you will be carrying your gun from now on and IF he sees you he better run before you see him.
Al Adab| 11.3.11 @ 12:24PM
To answer the question directly: The youth are taught that:
1. Human life is no different than animals.
2. It is proper to abort babies for convenience.
3.Euthanasia of sick and elderly is desireable.
Understanding that as the cultural norm why be surprised that anyone doesn't pursue their own benefit at whatever cost to others? The unusual would be those who respect others.
Unamused | 11.3.11 @ 12:28PM
That doesn't explain why the perpetrators are overwhelmingly black, and why they target white people.
It is important to know what facts you're trying to explain, when you offer a theory. Unfortunately, this article chooses not to mention the single most obvious and important thing about the "urban" "teens."
Kingofthenet| 11.3.11 @ 12:40PM
They aren't, depends on your Neighborhood, in mine it's predominantly Latino and Middle Eastern, I guess if I lived a mile towards Greenville it would be black, because that's where they live.
Al Adab| 11.3.11 @ 12:43PM
OK, we can break it down to that sub-set and add that such are taught they are victims and their circumstance is the fault of others who should be punished. Just another to the list of fallacies promulgated by The Left.
Enzo from St. Louis| 11.3.11 @ 2:18PM
A ridiculous comment.
Highly ethical people support a woman's right to abortion and euthanasia. In fact, euthanasia is often a cardinal act of mercy.
In my opinion, it is far more moral to be in favor of euthanasia for the terminally ill who ask for it, than to be opposed to it.
Your points lack intellectual and moral depth.
Al Adab| 11.3.11 @ 3:19PM
Enzo,
I will take it you are reasponding to my comments. Thank you for making me understand why I am not a moral relativist. Have we not sacrificed enough children to the godess Choice? As to euthanasia, one always retains the sovereignty to take ones own. The decision should not be anothers and certainly not the governments.
Occam's Tool| 11.3.11 @ 5:06PM
Dear Enzo,
I, as a physician, will never give my consent for euthanasia. I entered my profession to save lives, not take them, and I am angered and offended that you would want to pervert my profession in this way.
Enzo from St. Louis| 11.3.11 @ 5:48PM
Your profession is perverted when you needlessly extend the suffering of dying patients for weeks, months, and sometimes for years. These terminally ill people ask for an overdose of morphine to end their suffering, but are denied it because of misguided professional ethics.
The veteranarian down the street, however, puts down animals who are in a terminal state to end their suffering. The veteranarions do the ethical, moral thing, while you prolong the agony of death and dying.
My doctor, a moral stalwart, has assured me that if I am in a terminal state and suffering, he will give me an overdose of morphine.
I am so glad I am not at your mercy. You seem to have none.
Al Adab| 11.3.11 @ 6:42PM
Please Enzo, feel free to end your own life, but expecting another to participate or condone your action is immoral. Certainly none of us, you included, would expect to turn that decision over to others or to a government agency or medical board.
1ConservativeUSA| 11.3.11 @ 12:25PM
While he'll never admit this, Barack Obama looks on and smiles at this behavior.
These are the very "victims" that Obama and his party seek to enslave; not only for votes, but because these are the people who promote and call for the false solution of "goverment programs".
Electing statists like Obama means that the messages of personal liberty, self-reliance, and limited and representative government get pushed to the back of the bus.
Basil Duke| 11.3.11 @ 12:39PM
The political ideology espoused by the likes of Obama, Jackson Jr., Watters, etc. is nourished by this sort of societal instability. If things were relatively calm, there'd be no need to "organize" a cure for the self-inflicted ill. Modern liberalism is nothing but an exercise in divide and conquer. What amazes me, though, is that the Democrats have managed to pair white, gun-owning union workers with thug-strutting inner city race pimps to create the base necessary to perpetuate the disaster of the modern Democratic party. How much longer can THAT last?
fwb| 11.3.11 @ 1:01PM
You have to have a functioning brain in order to come up with things to do on your own. These youths are dead from the neck up. In my day, we'd say they couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
Derek Leaberry| 11.3.11 @ 1:11PM
Answer to the author's question- because they are barbarians. We have millions of barbarians in our midst largely due to the failed social experimentation of the last fifty years. The cycle of social anomie is so deep and vast that there is little chance for improvement. Our situation is similar to that of a Roman in 450 as his world spiraled down.
Kingofthenet| 11.3.11 @ 1:21PM
To be fair Crime is NOWHERE near 80's levels, I remember being aware of having to leave certain sections of NYC before sundown, i don't feel that way anywhere now, although with all the police layoffs who knows?
Al Adab| 11.3.11 @ 1:44PM
Actually you are correct, rates are down. Wait till next year King. The summer will be filled with "protests", riots, and disruption.
Slacker| 11.3.11 @ 1:22PM
The problem is Mrs. Orlet’s sense of decency doesn’t square with the experience of living amongst savages. Decent middle class people are nearly incapable of understanding, much less dealing with the urban underclass.
Our social programs fail because good people can’t acknowledge the fundamental problem: The urban underclass consists mainly of retards. Dumb shits.
We scratch our heads wondering why schools can’t educate these products of bad breeding and fetal alcohol syndrome. At best they are trainable.
We bemoan family breakdown and cultural rot but, just how civilized do you expect a group of third generation imbeciles to be? Special ed. students without a teacher -not capable of independent living –therefore the cops step in.
The urban youth has gone feral. They know less of about the world than their great grandparents. They pick up bits and pieces of modern lingo but, they are functionally illiterate and less knowledgeable than an ancient Greek.
Deal with them as you would deal with any dangerous animal.
Moe Blotz| 11.3.11 @ 1:36PM
Must be dangerous walking home from Guy's Place these days. Phluffya has its share of knockout game incidents as well. If one of those punks took a shot at my gourd, he would break his hand.
Memphis| 11.3.11 @ 1:54PM
Kids are being taught that they come from animals - is it a surprise that many are acting like animals? These thugs are like a pack of wild dogs!
Seek| 11.3.11 @ 2:01PM
Instead of calling the perps "teens" or "youths," how about calling them something more honest: "blacks." Every last one of these group attacks has been carried out by blacks. And this style is part of ghetto culture. I resent teens in this country as a whole lumped in with the Afro riff-raff.
Al Adab| 11.3.11 @ 3:27PM
Not in my part of the country. To think that any one group represents the whole understates the scale of the issue. Neither evil and criminal behavior nor moral and law abiding acts are limited to one race.
BTW I followed Unamuseds' link and found it quite distastful.
Occam's Tool| 11.3.11 @ 5:03PM
Seek---in Kentucky, when I lived in Owebsboro, most of the crime was from po' white trash.
It is not a racial thing, it is a cultural one. My two kids, both Mayan Indians, are being raised free from that defeated culture, and it shows.
Occam's Tool| 11.3.11 @ 5:04PM
Sorry, Owensboro.
Al Adab| 11.3.11 @ 5:15PM
OT: To further address your observation of the cultural root of the problem I would venture to add that "poor" (as in po' white trash) is more a state of mind than an economic condition. How many of our "poor" own a car, computer etc? How people choose to spend what they might have and how much debt they carry; whether they perceive themselves as "victims" is more the issue than simple circumstance. The bottom quintile does not comprise the same individuals for long.
Occam's Tool| 11.3.11 @ 5:05PM
And in England, they are white, as well. Get Ted Dalrymple's book "Life at the Bottom." Culture, not color, dominates all.
Will| 11.3.11 @ 2:07PM
I lived in NYC for about a decade, most of my forties. What I saw there and experienced changed my entire philosophy in terms of social engineering, politics, unionism etc. Nowadays, I avoid the place, and generally any urban area. Theres a very good reason why you see cops on the subways around two in the afternoon. Businesses in many neighborhoods simply close for a couple of hours, until the streets clear up. It's just not worth the trouble. You can call the cops, but by the time they arrive, the perpertrators are long gone. Assault, vandalism, theft are considered a birthright. If you don't believe it, the next time you're in NYC on business or vacation, stroll a couple of blocks West of Lincoln Center, and check out the street action around the time the bell rings. I could go on and on, lived in Boston, Atlanta, smaller cities as well. It's awful, they get older, meaner and then run for public office.
DRed| 11.3.11 @ 4:57PM
When were you in your 40s? NYC is nothing like that now.
Beer f.m.h.| 11.3.11 @ 2:12PM
Oh my, its starting to rain - shopping carts from four stories up...
wolflen| 11.3.11 @ 2:26PM
as someone mentioned above...its Clockwork Orange..and race has nothing to do with it...in time white "urban youth" will be playing the same games..even advanced versions..and they will be middle class "nice boys" ... so the "white guilt" social programs will not apply..in fact all the excuses listed above wont apply..it comes down to basic survival...the escalation of Clockwork Orange to MadMax...for those with hopeful solutions..sorry to say..but two parent households steeped in the most religious concepts will not be immune...the Occupy movement..(majority white middle classfolks) is a preview.. its not the movie..and now it turns "violent" .. who needs hollywood..there is more drama in the street..do these 20-30 yr olds think they are doing anything wrong by throwing rocks at the police or willing to vandalize...of course not...they are having fun..I'm prepared..a 9 mm & a 45..not playing..hollow points all around..
Buck Ofama| 11.3.11 @ 3:10PM
>race has nothing to do with it.
LOL, bullshit. WAKE UP.
wolflen| 11.3.11 @ 4:03PM
so you didnt see clockwork orange..race has nothing to do with it...hard to picture huh
Seek| 11.3.11 @ 5:47PM
Anthony Burgess' novel and the ensuing Stanley Kubrick movie were fiction. Yes, I know. All fiction is disguised fact. And white "yobs," including those awful football hooligans, long have been a problem in England. But Afro-Caribbean blacks have magnified it to the nth degree. If you don't believe me, take a look at the charred ruins that is now half of Tottenham.
Eduardo| 11.3.11 @ 2:51PM
Yup, the criminal urban subculture has one overwhelming attribute: No Dad.
What kept me in line when I was a mouthy teenager who was no longer afraid of Mom? Dad. The Old Man would put me flat on my a** when I got out of line. Okay, I'll admit it: I was afraid of him which was a d*mn good thing, because that's what made me behave. He made me think twice before acting up. Punks today fear no one. As I read somewhere last month the Good are afraid of the Bad, and the Bad are afraid of nothing.
Buck Ofama| 11.3.11 @ 3:09PM
YO WUSUP!!!!!!!!1
Too many boons and coons and too many crumb snatchers.
WARE MY GUBMIN CHEK.......NOMUH SAYN??
DRed| 11.3.11 @ 4:59PM
Sigh. Another racist leftist polluting this site.
Nick| 11.3.11 @ 7:51PM
Speaking of violent young people.
Hey, DRed, tell me again how it is only a few fringe dirty, smelly, commie, hippy protesters who are causing all the problems?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?f.....GFeJ6gmJAE
http://michellemalkin.com/
DRed| 11.3.11 @ 8:57PM
Nick! Speaking of violence, I was worried that I hadn't heard from you in a few days and I feared the Feds had nabbed you at the wafflehouse. Remind me again how all tea party people are peaceful and only left wingers are terrorists?
See-two can play this game.
Nick| 11.3.11 @ 10:55PM
DRed,
No, you can't play. Because you have no examples of T.E.A. Party people being violent. I, on the other hand, well....you know.
DRed| 11.3.11 @ 11:39PM
4 of your boys were just arrested for plotting to attack peaceful citizens with ricin. Don't gas me, bro!
Nick| 11.4.11 @ 5:15PM
Not my boys, DRed.
Don't give the dirty, smelly, hippy protesters any ideas, are you nuts?
Buck Ofama| 11.3.11 @ 9:37PM
A "leftist" with screen name "Buck Ofama"?
WAKE UP.
Sensei| 11.3.11 @ 3:12PM
My only comment is the one thing missing from this event is *where is law enforcement to protect the public?* Ans: writing traffic violations to raise revenue for the City. Ok my fellow citizens time to protect ourselves: Start patrolling the neighborhoods in high profile and if need be armed. Get the Guradian Angels involved. Take a martial arts classes and be ready. Make these thugs pay a price for their deeds both in court and in the streets if they want it.
Drunken Sailor| 11.3.11 @ 4:25PM
Nope, unless I am wrong the police dept was one of the first areas cut when money got tight. There are only about 1200 police in St. Louis. True they are hiring more (with stimulus money) but have no plans on how to pay them when the money runs out. But even then 1200 police in a city of almost 320K. Not good odds.
Occam's Tool| 11.3.11 @ 5:00PM
DS:
(Sarcasm and snark follows---I support your viewpoint) Well, I don't see the problem with those numbers. I mean, the LAPD patrols an incredibly safe city with these numbers: "The Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) is the police department of the city of Los Angeles, California. With just under 10,000 officers [2] and more than 3,000 civilian staff, covering an area of 498 square miles (1,290 km2) with a population of more than 4.1 million people, it is the third largest local law enforcement agency in the United States, after the New York City Police Department and Chicago Police Department. [From the Wiki---actually, LA is horribly UNDERPATROLLED.]
The city of New York has roughly 8.3 million people, with a police force of 35,000, and is much safer than either St Louis or LA (certainly LA), because the numbers are so much better.
Drunken Sailor| 11.4.11 @ 9:10AM
Your absolutely right OT. However drive through St. Louis and LA and the differences are obvious. St. Louis has huge areas that are broke, abandoned, and discarded. Has been that way for decades, since the great white migration out of the town. They left when the jobs did, many blacks did as well. On my occasional trips to St. Louis on 64 I pass buildings and neighborhoods that look like war zones and have always looked like that for as long as I can remember. L.A has much more going for it and I am willing to bet a much smaller percentage of population on the goverment tit.
Generations on the goverment take, with low self-esteem, no sense of responsibility or initiative and you get a major crime area.
St. Louis ranks #2 on the "America's top ten most dangerous cities. Even above Oakland, Detroit and New Orleans.
http://www.buzzle.com/articles.....ities.html
Their poverty level is 26%
http://www.city-data.com/pover.....souri.html
Los angeles is only 19%. As you stated earlier, it is culture and poverty that is the driving force behind the crimes. The Democrat solution of handouts at it's finest.
M.Anderson| 11.3.11 @ 3:48PM
I just finished reading your article titled " When Teens Attack"
OK, I lied, I tried to finish reading the article, but my liberal democrat
meter was some how pegged.
So, I scanned the article for the two words that you should have used
in the article if you truly wanted to show the reason for the attacks.
Those would be either or blacks, and racist.
The reason for the attacks are race motivated, PERIOD.
Why else would black thugs travel 15 miles to another
area of town to attack and beat white people? You seemed to have left out the fact that white people were the main targets of the attacks
Race was the reason for the attacks in Denver in 2009
and they are the reason for the attacks that are taking
place in Denver and the rest of the country right now.
When a group of black thugs scream out that we hate
white people and start to beat on the white couple
that they have run up on, then even you, should have no
problem believing that the attacks were racial in nature.
At least I would hope so. But then again most liberals
have trouble believing that this country sliding down
the shitter anyway. I agree that it is sad that the AS paid someone for this crap
CalMark| 11.3.11 @ 4:08PM
A step back in history...
In the 1970s, a wimpy, uninspiring fellow named Bernard Goetz shot a black gang that was attempting to rob him. All were brandishing sharpened screwdrivers. Goetz was tried and received heavy punishment for unlawful carrying and use of a firearm. The teens? Well, they were victims of a "gun crime."
The poor, innocent "victims" of Goetz's outrageous gun wielding recovered and went on to be arrested, some multiple times, for similar crimes, before Goetz's trial. Oh, wait. Except for one of the thugs, paralyzed from the neck down by a bullet. He's the only one who didn't get re-arrested.
Back to the future.
Seek| 11.3.11 @ 5:50PM
I'm a fan of Bernie Goetz, too, but we gotta get our dates right, amigo. Goetz' armed self-defense took place a few days before Christmas in 1984.
CalMark| 11.3.11 @ 6:34PM
Whoops. Counted on my memory. Shoulda looked it up on the web. Good catch.
Occam's Tool| 11.3.11 @ 4:52PM
I trained in Los Angeles. Having 50 inch shoulders and an 18 inch neck certainly helped me on the street. Also helping was the fact that I carefully trained to have my "street face" when I was in the more anonymous areas of LA be "generic psychotic." Work with enough schizophrenics and be a good enough actor and this can be done. I also avoided eye contact and moved in shadows---being a former movie usher helped with that. I was also young and strong and in my twenties---I got my MD in my 20s. Further, part of psychiatric training included training in unarmed takedowns of psychotics.
Then, when my training was over, I moved to the rural areas as soon as I could.
By the way, my kids are already involved in horseback riding, and will be doing hunting as they get older, as well as a host of other activities as they express interest. This "small towns have nothing" crap is a canard.
Al Adab| 11.3.11 @ 5:04PM
OT:
Please, don't tell them about what the small towns have to offer. What if they moved here and urbanized the place? Lets keep the rural lifestyle our secret OK?
Dmac| 11.3.11 @ 5:44PM
My sister once worked in the maternity ward at cedars sinai. A study was done on childre born to crack addicted mothers. The study found that nearly all children born with crack in their systems were destined to be sociopathic.
CalMark| 11.3.11 @ 6:38PM
Can you link this? If true, it's a major finding.
That means that a huge percentage of ghetto children are born without a conscience and are irredeemable monsters. (Note to all you people who "read into things": GHETTO, as opposed to black. Lots of white trash in the ghetto, too--I've seen it in the midwest.)
Buck Ofama| 11.3.11 @ 9:41PM
Stop your PC self-correcting, because you're only fooling yourself.
Call a SPADE a SPADE... NOMUH SAYN?????
WUTUP? A'IGHT?
WARE MY GUBMIN MUNY AT???????
WGMOW| 11.3.11 @ 8:16PM
Two solutions:
1. Stop paying inner-city teenage whores to breed for dollars. As long as we keep paying these filty sluts to pop out one brainless thug after another the problem will continue to grow.
2. Bring back public punishment: Put stocks in public places and let the little bastards stand there for 24 hours with their pants down so that people can throw rotten egs and vegetables at them. If the stocks don't cure them, move up to the ducking stool.
Seek| 11.4.11 @ 2:34PM
A lot of these black thugs already have their pants down to the point where they are about to fall to the ground. Not exactly a wardrobe that says "Dressed for Success."
Richard Baker| 11.3.11 @ 11:03PM
We have been looking the other way for 40-45 years and we expected nothing to happen? Movies, violent video games, and over reliance on computers have created a disconnect with humanity. That and the constant excusing of aberrant behavior at all levels generate the anarchy. It's not as if we don't know what to do and to be frank it's that the Baby Boomers that didn't want any restraints. Now we have the kids attacking just anyone and America is surprised?