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Cained to the Ground
The left judges black conservatives by the content of their ideology.
Liberals had a dim view of Herman Cain’s character long before this week. They automatically ascribed bad motives to him and to his GOP supporters. His political views couldn’t possibly be sincere, they pronounced. He is clearly pandering to racists. Democratic strategist Karen Finney summed this attitude up by saying: “One of the things about Herman Cain is, I think that he makes that white Republican base of the party feel okay, feel like they are not racist because they can like this guy. I think he is giving that base a free pass. And I think they like him because they think he’s a black man who knows his place.”
This is a rich charge, given that putting black conservatives in their place is one of the chief preoccupations of liberals. Holding black conservatives to a higher standard than others in public life is a form of discrimination liberals have perfected. They consider it very enlightened to ridicule black conservatives, call them vicious names, even wish for their speedy death. “I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do of heart disease,” pundit Julianne Malveaux said about Clarence Thomas in the 1990s. “He is an absolutely reprehensible person.” Liberals didn’t expel Malveaux from polite society for this comment that might have even given David Duke pause. Instead, they feted her in academia. These days she is a college president at Bennett.
Regulating the blackness of black conservatives is the divine right of liberals. And so almost anything Cain says or does is fair game. A white liberal like MSNBC host Lawrence O’Donnell feels so empowered by this divine right that he can question the quality of Cain’s participation in the Civil Rights movement. Why, he badgered Cain a few weeks back, didn’t you do more to promote Civil Rights?
The exceedingly smug O’Donnell, however, couldn’t quite bring himself to demean Cain as ”minstrelsy” and musical. For that task, he needed a black liberal and found one this week in the single-name fraud Touré, a peddler of quasi-intellectual mumbo jumbo and cheap shots that he regards as cutting-edge cultural criticism. Using the pretentious patter of a Henry Louis Gates, Touré unburdened himself of the deep insight that “I think that Cain, interestingly, does not exist without Obama preceding him.” Mortified by having to live under a smart black man like Obama, conservatives needed to “right the scales” with the elevation of a “lightweight” like Cain, said Touré.
Unable to contain his brilliance, Touré continued that there “is this constant minstrelsy aspect that he keeps bringing up. This is not something that we’re just making up out of whole cloth. He is the one who says he wants the Secret Service to call him Corn Bread. He is the one who says things like ‘oh, shucky ducky’ when he starts. This is deep black slang that he is using, that we have not seen on a national public stage before.” This sounds like a potential doctoral dissertation for Touré under Henry Gates — the troubling implications of “shucky ducky” in American politics.
Cain isn’t the first black man to run for the GOP nomination, though one might think so listening to this nonsense. In 2000, the Plato-quoting Alan Keyes ran for the GOP nomination. Where does he fit into Touré’s analysis? Toure didn’t mention him in his list of “serious intellectuals” who have run for president even as he numbered Colin Powell, who didn’t run for president, as one of them: “…Colin Powell, Jesse Jackson, Barack Obama, the blacks who are running for president have presented themselves as serious intellectuals…” Notice, by the way, that he includes Jesse Jackson on the list. Apparently Cain lacks the dignity, thoughtfulness, and moral probity of that former aspirant.
Black conservatives just can’t win. Whether they are “entertainers” like Cain or philosophers like Keyes, they are marked down as “wacky,” as Maureen Dowd described the two this week.
The left’s excitement over the sex harassment charges dogging Cain can’t be explained by moral philosophy, unless liberals plan to recant eight years of Clintonian apologetics. The same people who still whine about the “prurient” Ken Starr are now clamoring for the release of confidential files from twelve years back. The less actual sex involved in a scandal, the more interested liberals become in it, particularly if it taints a conservative and even better if it taints a black one. Clinton’s cavortings, fumblings, and passes in the Oval Office itself didn’t interest them. Those were a “private matter.” But the Cain charges have the potential to be disqualifying, they say.
Even if one were to put the worst possible construction on the charges, they would constitute a relatively moral day for Clinton. Nevertheless, Clinton’s boosters eagerly await the appearance of Cain’s accusers. They want their Anita Hill. They say that Cain is besmirching the good names of these women even though the public doesn’t know their names yet. The press is working hard to correct this injustice so that the names can be known and properly besmirched.
Perhaps Cain is lying and he did speak improperly to these women, though that would still fall well short of the Clinton standard. Remember, “competence” alone qualifies one for the presidency; crummy character doesn’t matter. Also, Clinton taught the nation that “lying ” about sex and alleged sexual harassment (Paula Jones) is no big deal. The press knew Clinton sexually harassed his way through Arkansas and didn’t care. A few female reporters, so grateful to him for protecting their right to abortion, indicated they wished to be harassed too.
Cain enjoys no such ideological immunity. He is an odious black conservative who threatens the left’s monopolistic hold on blacks. Also, he is some kind of pro-lifer, which means he is anti-woman from the start. Political figures are to be judged by the content of their ideology, decrees the left. The seriousness of a charge is determined by the rightness of a public figure’s political views. A Ted Kennedy was entitled to a mulligan or two after an unwelcome advance since he had done so much to help women already.
Not so with Cain. The left can’t rest until black conservatives are put in their place.
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George Neumayr, a contributing editor to The American Spectator, is co-author, with Phyllis Schlafly, of the new book, No Higher Power: Obama’s War on Religious Freedom.
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Ducky| 11.3.11 @ 6:28AM
Democrats are terrified of Cain because he
threatens to take away some of Obama's most loyal supporters.
USAF Brat| 11.3.11 @ 6:40AM
Not meaning any disrespect, Duck, but I think they are terrified because they know Cain can with without them.
USAF Brat| 11.3.11 @ 7:10AM
...win without them. Sorry, still on first cup o' joe.
Jack in Wi| 11.3.11 @ 7:51AM
To say that the Democrats are afraid of Cain is laughable. They would love to have him as the nominee. He is incoherent on abortion. He is a bigger warmonger then even Obama or Bush. His wacky 999 tax plan would give the goverment a huge new tax sourse to fund liberal wars and programs. His love of the Federal Reserve would allow for more inflation to fund more wars and government programs. His lack of knowledge of Economics, History, Geography, foreign policy and sexual harassment laws have made him a laughing stock already. He is the newest reality show on TV. Herm should go back to chasing waitresses back at one his pizza joints and quit making a fool of himself.
Mr. Neumyr, the editor of the Catholic world Report, has written yet another apologia for the warmonger and blowhard Herman Cain. Yet he continues to ignore the finest candidate to represent the Catholic Doctrines of Subsidiarity, Just War Theory, Proportionality in response to an attack or war, and Prolife policy, Dr. Ron Paul. Dr. Paul is a fine Protestant Christian who understand the historical Christian doctrines I mentioned above. Mr. Neumyr seems to be just another neocon who loves war more then he does the teachings of his church. Shame on you Mr. Neumyr.
chuck| 11.3.11 @ 9:11AM
Ron Paul is never, ever in a million years, or even the few years the old geezer has left, going to be the Republican nominee. He will never be President of this country. He can never break above the level of polling that he always has had. No one except you, Clint, Sean, and a few other Paul-bot trolls are talking about him. No one in the media, main stream, or talk radio is talking about him. Hell, even the wacko, tin-foil hatted one, Post American, is not talking about him.
Hate to ruin a good man-crush for you.
Have a nice day!
Sean| 11.3.11 @ 10:06AM
Yep the MSM loves establishment Cain.
Jack in Wi| 11.3.11 @ 4:05PM
Chuck: You are one of the chief dimwitts I am talking about. 75% 0f the population, by polling wants out of these wars now. 70% want the Federal Reserve audited. Most American's want the Federal government slashed. Restrictions on abortion, to at least some degree, are wanted by 80% of Americans. Most Americans want the National debt slashed. Most Americans would never vote for a huge new national sales tax. Herman Cain and the other stooges of the elites Romney, Perry and Gingrich are opposed to all these things. They love war and have no plans to accomplish anything else. Ron Paul is the only serious man running in this dire situation who has a plan to get us out of this mess.
Romney means Romneycare and flipflops. Perry is a Bush clone. Gingrich is a has been who can't keep what he stands for straight. Cain is the worst of them all. He is incoherent on abortion, his 999 plan, economics, history, monetary policy, foreign policy, and geography. On top of that he revels in his ignorance and claims he would pick great advisors to run the country. His 2 greatest hero's are 2 of the worst people immaginable, Alan Greenspan, and Henry Kissenger. We have one ignorant black puppet being run by his handlers and advisors now. We don't need another.
chuck| 11.3.11 @ 4:32PM
Jack, you're really a nitwit. Just because I'm not supporting Paul does not mean I am against everything you listed. I am not for endless wars. Get in, kick ass, get out. I certainly am not a liberal, I want the government brought back into its constitutional bounds.
The problem with you Paul supporters is that anyone who does not support Paul, you must ridicule, disparage, or in some way try to marginalize. Paul's biggest problem, besides his apparent unwillingness to defend our friends and interests around the world, is his supporters. You and Clinty are the perfect examples. I simply point out the obvious, that Paul's level of support has remained constant, never rising above a certain level, that he is not going to be the nominee, and that he is getting no coverage whatsoever, and now I'm a chief dimwit.
Any, and all of the candidates want to slash the deficit, cut government spending, and restore some fiscal sanity. All want to make the country more business friendly to create more jobs. All are pro-life, except maybe Romney, who is pro-Romney above all. All the candidates basically have the same positions domestically. They vary only by degrees.
So how about stop running down all the other candidates, because some day you're going to have to chose between one of the others and Obama, or just stay home at the next election.
Ron Paul will not be the nominee.
Jack in Wi| 11.3.11 @ 5:07PM
It is either going to be Romney or Ron Paul take your pick. It would do the party and the country a lot of good if the others get off the stage and let there be an honest, long, and civil discussion about the future of the party and country. It is the only way that this party can come together. the country deserves it. Ron Paul has been right on the issues for decades. Let the elite candidate Romney and Dr. Paul see if there can be some way we can come out of this impass. Both Dr. Paul and Mitt Romney were doing the best against Obama in National polls until Herman Cain was puffed. They are the only ones who have a chance to beat Obama, of the people running.
Quartermaster| 11.3.11 @ 6:17PM
While it's true that many Paulbots will try to marginalize anyone that doesn't support Paul, the anti-Paul crowd does exactly the same. I have as yet to see anyone on this site really engage what Paul has to say. They call him a loonball, or worse.
Anyone saying that Paul will not win the nomination is most likely just speaking a fact. The GOP is run by elites that can't stomach anything like Paul. They hate his guts because he would be the end of getting their rice bowls filled at the Fed Trough. The elites want smaller government like I want brain surgery with anesthesia. They have far too much to lose.
Either we get what Ron Paul wants, on our terms, or the market is going to shove it down our throats and we, and the world, will be far worse off. By engaging in smear and mindless ridicule you speak books about what you are and nothing about Ron Paul.
irish19| 11.3.11 @ 8:13PM
Not exactly. Any number of people have commented that Paul's domestic policy ideas are actually quite good. It's the isolationist foreign policy that most feel disqualifies him. For myself, anyone who thinks it's okay for the mad mullahs to get the bomb is not qualified to sit in the Oval Office. And that includes the loser squatting there now.
chuck| 11.3.11 @ 8:48PM
Exactly Irish. I have said many times that I like his domestic agenda, but I have a real problem with his unwillingness to defend our interests and our friends worldwide. But somehow I am not engaging what Ron Paul has to say.
I think its that Paul-bots are not listening.
chuck| 11.3.11 @ 8:52PM
Paul has never been above third in the polls, usually 4th or 5th. So why should the people above him get out the way? It's up to him to push people out of the way. He needs to find the way to push his message and get it through to the American people. If he can't, then he has no chance whatsoever.
Alan| 3.28.12 @ 9:36PM
Ron Paul is toast fucknuts!
KuroShinzo| 11.3.11 @ 9:25AM
Give it a rest, please.
Doctor Right| 11.3.11 @ 9:51AM
Jack dislikes Jews AND blacks, apparently...
Lee Ghume| 11.3.11 @ 1:19PM
Jack does not like Catholics very much, either.
Jack in Wi| 11.3.11 @ 4:28PM
I just had lunch with an old Jewish friend. We go to lunch most weeks. He unlike a lot of the people around here is an educated and intelligent man. We agree on somethings and not on others. I find most Jews I know to be far saner then the crackpot zionists, both Jewish and Christian, who hang around this site. Jews by polling were the most opposed of any group to the Iraq war. I also stopped of the talk to an old black friend of mine and to drop him off some produce from my garden. He again is an intelligent fellow who you can have a friendly disagreement with. Both these guys think Herm Cain is the biggest joke in politics. If the Republicans want to run a black man, let them run Walter Williams or Tony Dungy.
I have never writen any anti-semitic coments on this site. Telling the truth about the failures of our disasterous Middle East policy is not anti- semitic. In fact it is patriotic. The world is poised on the threshold of WW3 and we are not supposed to comment on it.
The former head of the Mossad, Meyer Dagan, and one of his aides have just been accused of leaking the attack plans of Israel to Iran. They thought such an attack was insanity. The British Defense Minister and his boyfriend have just been exposed as Mossad agents pushing for an attack on Iran. How many American politicians are Mossad Moles pushing for an attack on Iran? An attack on Iran will at the least destroy what is left of the world economy. At the worst it will lead to WW3 and the end of the world as we know it.
Jack in Wi| 11.3.11 @ 4:59PM
I want to correct myself. The spelling of the name of the former head of the Mossad is Meir Dagan. The other official is Yuval Diskin the former head of the Shin Bet. I read the Israeli press daily and find that there are a lot of sane Jews in Israel. Let us hope these sane people put a stop to this push to another disasterous war.
emo| 11.3.11 @ 6:56PM
Your Jewish friend must be Norman Finklestein or some other Capo.
One cannot be anti-Israel's existence and not be anti-Semitic. Where would all 7 million jews in Israel go Jack, maybe to your town in WI. The fact we're on a Herman Cain forum and you figure out how to bring up Zionism, shows how deeply anti-Semitic you are. Youre obsessed.
Mike D.| 11.3.11 @ 7:08PM
Jack in Wi| 11.3.11 @ 4:28PM
"I have never writen any anti-semitic coments on this site"
Jack in Wi.| 9.10.11 @ 10:04AM
"Whatever good INDIVIDUAL Jews have done in the world pails in comparission to the bad of the last 200 years. Atheism, communism, Socialism, Nuclear Weapons, expansionist Zionism, nuclear blackmail and abortion"
Jack in Wi| 11.3.11 @ 11:02PM
Mike D. That is not anti semitic. It is he simple truth. You guys keep bragging about achievements of indivigual Jews and I had to remind you of all the negatives that have come from your people. Your negatives far out weigh your positives. I said or ment pushing abortion. There is no more vile group of pro abortion Congress people then the the Jewish contingent in the Senate and House. It is time that they got called on it. The only possible exception is Erick Cantor. All the rest are rabid liberal Democrats and abortion lovers. The Jewish communists in Russia were the first government to make abortion a positive right and encourage it. Every onther religion from Catholics to Evangelicals to Muslims and Mormons have open season on them, in these forums. Jews should have the same treatment when they step out the of line of common decency. I have never called for any violence or harm to any Jew, Muslim, or anyone else. I have always stood up for peace and justice. Shalom.
Mike D.| 11.4.11 @ 7:57AM
Yeah right Jack, if i said that about blacks I would be rightly be labeled a racist. Then I could claim to have some imaginary Black friends to quell the statement. You don't have to incite violence to be anti-anything. You are what you are and most everybody here sees it. Get used to it, that statement is going to follow you like a two wheeled trailer. Allahu Akbar.
Mike D.| 2.22.12 @ 6:02PM
Fuck you and your "Jewish" friend you fucking nazi!
Jack in Wi| 11.3.11 @ 4:35PM
Dr. Wrong is one of the most bigoted anti catholic commenters on this site. He wouldn't know about the ancient Catholic doctrines of Susidiarity, Just War theory, Proportionality in regards to war or attack, and prolife-policy. Mr. Neumayr does know what they mean. He and the other neocons who pushed for war with Irag have a lot to answer for. They are still pushing war, by pushing warmongers like Herman Cain. Blessed are the peacemakers. Shalom.
chuck| 11.3.11 @ 8:55PM
Don't pull your "shalom" BS you damned anti-Semite!
Jack in Wi| 11.3.11 @ 11:12PM
I happened to catch Topol singing L' Chiam to Life on the TV over the weekend. For a people who love abortion and war, you seem to have unusual greetings. Maybe you should go back to those fine words and live by them.
The book of Leviticus tells Jews to threat the aliens among you as yourselves. It also tells you a little later to love your neighbor as yourself. In the book of Exodus Jews are reminded to treat the aliens and strangers among them well. For after all you were once strangers and aliens in the land of Egypt. Get with the program and make peace. L Chiam. Shalom.
Doctor Right| 11.3.11 @ 9:53AM
Ron Paul's anti-Semitic past...
http://www.newsrealblog.com/20.....ds-of-him/
canuckistani| 11.3.11 @ 10:09AM
Cutting funding is anti-semitic?
My non-Jew Semite acquaintances are puzzled.
Explain.
Doctor Right| 11.3.11 @ 10:12AM
TASOnline and Jeffrey Lord already explained it in August:
http://spectator.org/archives/.....liberal-re
Mal_Content| 11.3.11 @ 12:55PM
Jeffrey Lord explained that anonymous comments on a website proved that Paul is an anti-semite.
That doesn't pass the smell test (or basic logic test).
DTOM| 11.3.11 @ 2:28PM
I think Jack in Wisconsin is pretty convincing on that point.
Doctor Right| 11.3.11 @ 4:42PM
Cain: 26%
Romney: 23%
Gingrich: 14%
...Ron Paul...7%!! LOL!!
http://www.rasmussenreports.co.....al_primary
Clint| 11.3.11 @ 10:04PM
Oh Yeah , Jiosey White Trash Bigot Dr.Reich.
"Ron Paul wins both tallies at GOP straw poll in Iowa
Des Moines, Iowa (CNN) - Ron Paul has won two separate tallies for the National Federation of Republican Assemblies Presidential Straw Poll.
Paul won both the Iowa-voters-only count at the Saturday convention in Des Moines as well as a tally of non-Iowans who participated.
In the Iowa voters result, Paul took 82%. Following him were Herman Cain with 14.7%, Rick Santorum with 1%, Newt Gingrich with 0.9%, Michele Bachmann with 0.5%, Rick Perry with 0.5%, Gary Johnson with 0.2%, with Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman 0%.
The total number of votes cast in that tally was 430.
In the tally of non-Iowans who voted, Paul won 26% followed by Cain at 25%, Perry and Santorum tied at 16%, Gingrich at 11%, Bachmann at 6%, Romney at 1%, and Huntsman and Johnson with 0%."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Bob K.| 11.3.11 @ 8:53AM
Democrats treat Black Republicans like the southern slave owners treated slaves who ran away from the plantation!
Redstateboy| 11.3.11 @ 9:28AM
well put Bob K
PhilTheCapitalistPig| 11.3.11 @ 10:09AM
Well, you know, some folks refer to the welfare state as the new plantation. You may be on to something Bob. Herman needs to get back on the welfare dole and quit telling black folks they can make it in this world through hard work. OR ELSE....
Trish| 11.3.11 @ 10:39PM
From one Ducky to another, I totally agree! BTW, my nickname is Ducky via my husband. Drake was my maiden name.
martin j smith| 11.3.11 @ 6:38AM
Democrats and Establishment Republicans ( Romney+Perry ) are afraid of Cain because he infringes on their turf. How dare he and the Tea Party dare so !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
USAF brat| 11.3.11 @ 6:43AM
In a deliciously ironic twist, Herman Cain could be considered the great white hope.
irish19| 11.3.11 @ 8:16PM
I like that. Honkies for Herman!
Vern Crisler | 11.3.11 @ 6:59AM
Cain is leading in the polls. Nuff said.
canuckistani| 11.3.11 @ 12:27PM
About what? That the GOP is DOA next November?
It sickens me that we've had 7 years to find a suitable candidate and they either run away with their hair on fire or quite possibly they have not been born yet. Which is it V?
DTOM| 11.3.11 @ 2:35PM
Will you run back to Canada if we set your hair on fire?
Please?
And how do you define a suitable candidate? If you are looking for someone the MSM/LSM won't savage and is actually conservative, that will ALWAYS be the empty set! Any conservative that raises their voice in support of conservative principles instantly becomes the ground zero du jour for the entire Democrat-union-ABA-MSM/LSM-establishment Republican -lobbyist industrial-crony-capitalist complex.
The MSM will never tolerate the success of any conservative or conservative ideas. Wake up! Look around! Smell the coffee!
Or go back to Canada.
canuckistani| 11.3.11 @ 3:41PM
I'm right here with you DTOM. I want a candidate that can win, and win on a platform that the electorate will see as a pathway to growth.
Lowest common denominator stuff like claiming a tax cut for the wealthiest Americans is the number one objective is a losing proposition - and spectacularly bad policy.
The debt is for bills already spent by dems and repubs alike. Cutting taxes for the "job creators" has already occurred. Where are the jobs then?
The rich have full mobility, the average American does not. Perhaps policies that penalize this mobility are in order, and incentives to invest domestically are too. But no, we would rather continue the parade of porked-up misadventures by underwriting the errors and largesse of the "job creators".
The interest rates are at zero, and banks don't trust eachother. How is that BHOs fault? He has used every tool in the kit to correct this mistrust, but yet the job market is in the toilet. Folks, the dow is at 12k again - where are the job creators?
4yr college grads are at or near full employment. The problem is HS and lower ranks. Unless we invest in education at an increasing rate, no "job creator" will be in a position to solve it when they can easily move their money to other markets.
Will "job creators" be willing to train these people without incentives aka programs? Not a chance.
That's what governments do - enable people to do the right thing without risking everything.
Canada, amigo, has higher standards of education from 1st grade to 12, graduate at higher rates, and provide extensive skills training - and yes, they pick winners and losers on the menu of training programs. Subprimes are banned, and the bank margin call is higher. Mortgages are not tax deductable, and no one can simply "walk away" from debts.
Their general unemployment rate is 2+ points below ours, their skilled workforce is even lower. They have an at-par dollar with the US, and aggressively invest in infrastructure. When they implemented their stimulus, it was with a majority investment, not tax cuts.
Canada also repatriates money without the syrupy handwringing we do here about whether 5% is appropriate. I don't get that deal, never will - why should the "job creators" get it?
I do not know a more conservative ideal than that.
Here's another one for your freedom-loving self: Canada has limited campaign contributions to $1,100 per person. ZERO corporate or union money allowed. PACs are banned, and references to party or candidates by name are considered official money and are audited to death. Figure it out.
Perhaps the 28th amendment should be the affirmation of democracy in this country, and that, contrary to Willard, corporations are NOT people. Nor are unions or PACs.
When a pol spends a day raising money, that's one fewer day of work for the country.
DTOM| 11.3.11 @ 4:16PM
Tax cut on wealthiest unfair? They already pay far in excess of their numbers. Why should any citizen not pay taxes to the federal government? Don't they benefit? Aren't they protected?
Taxes on job creators are higher than any where else in the world. You say they are cut enough-I say you wouldn't know bologna from baloney!
You need to understand the concept of "Regime uncertainty." Look it up. It refers to the business environment we have here today, in which the government makes it perfectly clear that they disapprove of certain businesses and how they are run. Electricity generation, oil refining and production, health care, automobile manufacturing, banking have all been put on notice, in direct, clear terms that they are expected to take hits. Most already have. Employers cannot even begin to define all of the insane ramifications of ObamaCare and its requirements. Only blind optimists or people who have donated millions to Obama dare new hires in the face of this disastrous program. Why else would unions, GE, McDonalds, local governments ask for and recieve waivers to escape this program until after the 2012 election? Are you stupid? Or just oblivious?
Employers won't train employees? Oh, so if they have a job that needs doing, they leave it undone if they cannot find a graduate of the over-priced, under-performing US government education system? That makes no sense - they actually do the training, if they cannot find a candidate who can do it. If it'll make a profit, they'll do it! Only a moron would say, 'oh well, guess we can't make that profit.'
In the US subprime loans were an impossibility until know-nothing government operatives and legislators (Barney Frank) stuck their noses into the market in a flurry of do-gooderism that held everyone should own their own home, whether they could afford it or not.
Your question 'why should the job creators get it?' reflects a complete ignorance of the fundamental risk-reward relationship of LIFE. If one has no chance of being rewarded for one's efforts, one will simply not make any effort. (That's why socialism cannot suceed!) Doing so would be stupid! Especially when you watch the fruits of your labor being taken from you and given to someone who does nothing to support themselves. Screw me, once your fault-screw me twice, my own damn fault!
And your statement "I don't know of a more conservative ideal than that." shows that you have NO idea of what the fundamental concept of conservatism is!
And the reason why a corporation has a right to contribute to a political campaign is simple; politicians can and do run roughshod over corporations as a matter of course. Being able to assist their opposition gives a corporation an opportunity to protect itself in the face of government miscreance. Also are Canada's unions barred from coordinating non-monetary political action? That's the hidden monster that corporations must battle, something they can pretty much only do with $.
So brilliant canuckstani, when Canada outlawed (for all practical purposes) guns, how many did they take from you. Or is that why you are here now, not in your beloved Canada?
Go troll elsewhere.
Oh and if you haven't noticed - everyday a politician spends NOT working at his office is a good day for honest citizens everywhere!
Dolt!
Brian Mc| 11.3.11 @ 7:12AM
I wish the left would stop squirming and just listen to what he has to say and then, let the debates begin. But no, they must presuppose and attack, damn the words coming from his way of thinking; they don't matter and this is what damns them in my eyes.
The country is on the fast road to destruction and they must assissinate the character of anyone who bemoans the direction they have perpetrated upon us. How petty is that? The worst sort in my eyes. I call it treasonous.
Doctor Right| 11.3.11 @ 7:35AM
It is Ron Paul or victory.
DTOM| 11.3.11 @ 2:36PM
Doc?
Drunken Sailor| 11.3.11 @ 3:22PM
Confused me at first to but read it again.
DTOM| 11.3.11 @ 3:45PM
Doh! Good thing there are drunken sailors around to help keep things straight!!!
Clint| 11.3.11 @ 7:38AM
Herman Cain has more trouble.
" Herman Cain's campaign Wednesday called a report of a third former employee claiming he engaged in inappropriate behavior an example of "baseless allegations."
The former National Restaurant Association employee said she considered filing a workplace complaint against Cain, the Associated Press reported. She said that Cain made sexually suggestive remarks or gestures and that the behavior included a private invitation to Cain's corporate apartment, according to the AP. The two worked together in the late 1990s, the report said."
Dick Nome| 11.3.11 @ 9:47AM
Innuendo. You make about as much sense as my Ex. I hear some women were thinking about filing charges against Rube Paul years ago. I can't prove it nor do I know who they are. Just a rumor. Baseless, buit it must be investigated.
Doctor Right| 11.3.11 @ 9:49AM
That's interesting...
I one considered filing a restraining order against Scarlet Johanson for stalking me.
ScarJo called me night and day - on my work phone, on my cell phone - it was nuts! She sent suggestive pictures to me and my wife, and threatened my wife with bodily harm if she wouldn't leave "her man" (ScarJo's) alone. She would park her car outside of our house and just sit there, watching us, for days on end. One time, she even cornered my kids getting off the school bus and told them that their mom was dead!
Proof?
Ummm...I'll get back to you on that...
chuck| 11.3.11 @ 11:56AM
I've got the same problem with Carrie Underwood.
Just sucks to be me!
Mike Hawk| 11.3.11 @ 1:08PM
A few years ago I used to grope a woman regularly, farted on her in the middle of the night too. She only complained about the farting. After we were divorced, she probably thought about filing a groping compliaaint, but her new husband probably talked her out of it.
Mac Jehoff| 11.3.11 @ 1:23PM
Women I have known complained because I did NOT grope them.
Dick Nome| 11.3.11 @ 3:41PM
If you did, they might have complained too. It's a no win situation.
irish19| 11.3.11 @ 8:22PM
Chuck, I suggest you and DR send me those suggestive pictures so I can evaluate them and let you know whether or not you have grounds for your complaints.
I'm all about helping.
Doctor Right| 11.3.11 @ 9:52AM
Ron Paul's anti-Semitic friends...
http://www.newsrealblog.com/20.....ds-of-him/
Mal_Content| 11.3.11 @ 12:56PM
Pay special attention to the comments section of that Horowitz post. Very illuminating.
PhilTheCapitalistPig| 11.3.11 @ 10:13AM
Who is this third woman who has "Come forward"? where are the 1st and 2nd women who "came forward"?
I must have missed it when they did, because I still haven't seen any woman "come forward" and produce hard evidence of this.
CalMark| 11.3.11 @ 2:27PM
Accuse a conservative (particularly a conservative black man) of something terrible, and you have instant credibility.
...and you "come forward" even if nobody actually knows the actual accusation, or even your name.
"Coming forward anonymously," more than a decade later--WOW. Now THAT is credibility!
Trish| 11.3.11 @ 10:47PM
She 'considered' filing a complaint? If it was so horrid, why no filing? So convenient to emerge namelessly. All too convenient.
Mike Rogers | 11.3.11 @ 7:41AM
Nice balanced piece.
Thankyou George.
The accusers hide in the shadows, and the hucksters get a pass on the accuracy of the allegations because the accusers cannot be presented.
Who, exactly is afraid of retaliation? All the attacks are coming from the left, aided and abetted by some worried members of the GOP elites - Cain isn't the one making personal attacks.
canuckistani| 11.3.11 @ 10:16AM
The Perry campaign is populated by GOP elites?
Cain himself has made the assertion it was Anderson:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ri.....ment-leak/
Is that a personal attack?
Is this the "temperment" of a leader?
Don't know, but I do know blaming the usual suspects in this case is dishonest.
This is good ole' fashioned retail politics at play. When the "pubic hair in the coke" comes out, then it could be the vast left wing conspiracy......
Until then, Junior and Rove were right about Perry. He is a dirty player.
Redatheart| 11.3.11 @ 7:46AM
When Herman Cain quickly joined the chorus that Rick Perry must be a dyed-in-the-wool racist when the hunting camp rock story broke, Perry didn't start digging for 'leakers'. It was other media sources that discovered the smear came from the WaPo. When Newt Gingrich was seared for having a $500,000 line of credit at Tiffany's and he and his wife were attacked with glitter at a book signing, he didn't start finger-pointing at other campaigns.
This scandal regarding Mr. Cain has evolved into the assumption that these sex accusations were never even made, but rather Team Perry concocted the entire lie and has set about to destroy a good and decent man. A man that has spun and twisted and walked back more statements on this than we can count. He couldn't remember a thing about this until he could remember and interestingly enough, yesterday he not only remembered, he actually recalled quite well having a sit down confession session with a staffer helping him run for Senate just a few years ago. The settled sex accusations cases were clear enough in his mind back then to know he needed to head them off at the pass but in running for the top job in the world, he simply forgot any of it ever happened. Anyone else recalling these incidents is now nothing more than a bigoted, racist smear monger.
This is Mr. Cain's problem, no matter who brought up the subject. If this little piece of his former life had come up next Oct., after he's been crowned the nominee, Obama would win re-election. Facts matter. Sex scandals hurt alot of people, not just the person being accused. Time to stop hiding behind the apron of Fox News and talk radio hosts and web pundits and take full and complete responsibility for this. He can stay in full throttle denial and come out just as nicely on the other end without having to act like he's the victim. These cases are documented to exist and silence money was paid on his behalf. The American voter has a right to know this type of factual info on candidates.
Clint| 11.3.11 @ 7:53AM
Herman Cain blames Rick Perry.
" WASHINGTON — A defiant Herman Cain accused Gov. Rick Perry of Texas, a Republican rival, of orchestrating a smear campaign to destroy his presidential candidacy, as additional accusations emerged Wednesday that Mr. Cain made unwanted sexual overtures to women while he led the National Restaurant Association more than a decade ago. "
Pecos Pete| 11.3.11 @ 8:08AM
I don't care what Herman Cain or Rick Perry or any other nominee has done that is NOT criminal. Any, or all, of the Republican nominees are better than the thief, liar and Marxist who is the current president.
King O can, and does, say the most outrageous things couching them as facts when they ain't factual. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are just as bad on a daily basis.
And I'm supposed to give a rat's behind about something that Mr. Cain did or didn't do over 10 years ago? I think not.
canuckistani| 11.3.11 @ 10:28AM
You should. Willard is playing (or running away) on his record, as is Perry and Newtie. Santorum is still fighting the Salem witch trials or something like that.
Bachmann is the only one clean - she has no record.
This isn't pot smoking in college or protesting vietnam in their 20's, this is a recent adult record-related examination that we as voters have a right to know about.
The GOP went to the wall on Willie over a lie about a BJ and we have the audacity to suggest it is irrelevant in today's climate? The GOP raised the bar, now they have to jump over it.
Cain was a member of Fed - he has equivicated on questions about the Fed. He was a civilian in the military - he has equivocated on questions about the military. He was a lobbyist in chief for the NRA, and he equivocates on that record.
He was board member of Aquila, and has equivocated on his knowledge of the stock scam during his tenure.
The point is, if you don;t give a rat's ass about his record, how can you possibly know how he'll govern by just listening to his rhetoric? Did we not just do that as a country in 2008?
DTOM| 11.3.11 @ 2:40PM
I do especially admire your selective description of Mr. Cain's history so as to make him only slightly less threatening than the Trilateral Commission.
You are wasting your talents here. I think you should contact the WH and offer your propagandist skills to them. It sure looks like they could use you.
canuckistani| 11.3.11 @ 3:51PM
DTOM, I have no horse in this race and I can build the narrative about him within 2 minutes of simple browsing.
Correct or not, any candidate I support must be savvy and nimble enough to realize this is a bloodsport. Cain not being prepared for this to get out is shameful and amateurish. I really don;t care about the "he said she said" stuff - it's his public reactions that count.
How can you dismiss this as a problem?
Thousands of years of political gamesmanship under our genetic belts and still candidates get waylayed by their peckers. It boggles the mind sometimes.
Cain escalating it by blaiming Perry was just more proof we need smarter men on the slate.
DTOM| 11.3.11 @ 5:52PM
So the White House said 'no.' Too bad for us.
oldfart| 11.3.11 @ 8:22AM
Where was the righteous indignation when Teddy went for a swim with Mary Jo?
Where was the righteous indignation when Bill and Monica had their little (no pun intended) thing in the Oval Office?
Where was the righteous indignation when Congressman Frank’s partner was running a male prostitution ring out of their home? And Congressman Frank pulled a SGT Schultz: I see nothing, I hear nothing?
Where was the righteous indignation when Congressman Weiner was showing his on you-tube?
Perhaps the Democraps should get the log out of their own eye before they worry about the mote in their neighbors.
canuckistani| 11.3.11 @ 10:35AM
Willie was impeached.
Weiner resigned.
Mary-Jo was a different time, just as it took two young reporters to drag the WaPo on Watergate when noone else was paying attention.
Ensign did not resign, nor did Sanford or Craig.
What is your point?
Dems do not campaign on the god-platform. The GOP does at their own peril, and yet when confronted with a clear ethical transgression, they don't resign and look after their own interests first. You choose to be fooled, I don't.
The AmSpec is notorious for closing ranks around skeezes like Ensign, yet you project this venom elsewhere. Curious.
Bydand76| 11.3.11 @ 12:31PM
The left campaigns just as hard as the right does on a "G*d platform" in this country.
They just have different perspectives.
Gay marriage, Homosexuality, Taxation, Gay Clergy, and Abortion being just a few examples.
There are just as many Democrats who hold their religion close to their chest and browbeat others to their prospective point of view as Republicans who do the same. i.e G*d wants you to pay taxes because thats what Christians are supposed to do.....Democrats use this argument consistently.
Rep. Keith Ellsison, Rep. Nancy Pelosi, and President Obama are a couple of good examples.
It is the media which dictates the argument however and both sides of the aisle are guilty of hypocrisy in this matter.
What you choose to believe is, of course, your own decision. So who is fooling whom?
oldfart| 11.3.11 @ 12:37PM
What he said.
DTOM| 11.3.11 @ 2:48PM
Keith Ellison insisted on being sworn in with his hand on the Koran. He's not campaigning on an Al**ah platform, not a "G*d" platform.
And Obama's "G*d" platform is built atop the Reverend Wright who does not comport with any flavor of Christianity I've ever heard of.
And Obama was raised as a Muslim in Indonesia.
These two are fooling YOU!
Drunken Sailor| 11.3.11 @ 2:11PM
"Dems do not campaign on the god-platform"
So that excuses their behavior? And your very next sentence can describe the Dems as well. Did Rangel resign? Or Waters? Weiner may have resigned but it wasn't voluntary. Just because a politician doesn't claim to be pure as the driven snow does not mean we should not hold them to some kind of moral standard.
canuckistani| 11.3.11 @ 4:00PM
No, I don't hold my pols to any other standard than to follow the constitution, period.
Banning abortion or gay marriage does absolutely nothing for the country, when a born-again can be elected twice and go to war on lies with impunity.
But, claiming providential rights above others due to some faux piety is nearly the exclusive franchise of the GOP. There are not too many sola fides or total deprivation of the soul types in the democratic party.
Perhaps that is the problem the country faces. A total deprivation of ideas?
DTOM| 11.3.11 @ 5:53PM
Please tell us what Constitution you are talking about - you seem oblivious to the US Constitution.
mzk1| 11.3.11 @ 8:23AM
Aren't there any normal Paul supporters here? Why are they all several cards short of a Pinochole deck?
Dick Nome| 11.3.11 @ 10:00AM
Normal Paul supporters ?? ....that is an oxymoron... emphasis on the moron part.
victor| 11.3.11 @ 10:05AM
mzk1:
"Aren't there any normal Paul supporters here?"
Normal??
Ain't no secha thing as a "normal" RuPaul supporter.
Clint and Jack are as "normal" as you're going to get.
Casey Abell| 11.3.11 @ 8:28AM
Neumayr, Goldstein, Lord, McCain, most everybody at the Spectator is deep, deep in the tank for Cain. Not really sure why. The guy is hardly a consistent conservative, with his national sales tax (a wet dream of liberals) and his pro-choice rhetoric that would make Nancy Pelosi coo.
But there is one notable exception, and it's the last guy I would expect. Quin Hillyer is actually starting to have doubts about Saint Herm. Who woulda thunk it? Hope Quin doesn't get run off the site for his heresy.
PhilTheCapitalistPig| 11.3.11 @ 10:15AM
What about the Federal Tax Code we have now? Is that your idea of a Conservative's Dream?
Casey Abell| 11.3.11 @ 10:28AM
My idea of a conservative dream is not to give the feds a nice shiny new way to take nearly a tenth of our money.
But all this is silly. I think even Cain's most fervent supporters know the national sales tax has zero chance of enactment. Man, if Obama thought he could get that goldmine for the feds into law, he'd hop on it in a Washington minute.
Cain's appeal has always been personal, not ideological. I'm Mr. Nice Guy, Mr. Fix-It, Mr. Not-Romney.
The last is certainly true. Cain is not a competent politician like Romney, as the last week has demonstrated, painfully. The first two are looking a lot more dubious right now.
canuckistani| 11.3.11 @ 10:37AM
Good summary.
PhilTheCapitalistPig| 11.3.11 @ 11:05AM
If it does away with the current tax code, I have no problem with a National Sales tax. I think your arguments against his plan are quite simplistic and don't take the facts about his plan into consideration.
Casey Abell| 11.3.11 @ 11:32AM
That's the thing. Cain's 9-9-9 or 9-0-9 or whatever wouldn't get rid of any of the other ways the feds use to rip us off. It just adds a national sales tax to every other %^$#@*! tax we now pay.
But again, this is all fantasy. The national sales tax stands no chance of enactment. Cain's 9-whatever-9 is just a slogan, not a serious program that might become law. Cain's supporters know that but they don't care. They just like Herm personally, regardless of the policies he's pushing.
Except that lately, Cain doesn't seem so likeable.
PhilTheCapitalistPig| 11.3.11 @ 11:37AM
Uhhh... Actually it does do away with the federal tax code that is currently in place.
Looks like you need to brush up on your research.
DTOM| 11.3.11 @ 2:50PM
And is supposed to be abridge to a flat tax...
Clint| 11.3.11 @ 8:30AM
WTF ?
Clint| 11.3.11 @ 8:32AM
WTF's For mzk1.
This article is about Herman Cain.
Dick Nome| 11.3.11 @ 9:49AM
Why don't you p[ay attention to your own words next time you go off on your Rube Paul campaign and start insulting everyone.
canuckistani| 11.3.11 @ 10:38AM
Well done mzk1. QED.
Michael Tomlinson| 11.3.11 @ 8:40AM
Redatheart the "Cainines" like Obama’s zealots consider playing the race card and defending their candidate based on the amount of melanin in his skin necessary, because they’ve bought into Democrat racist politics. As we saw in 2008 for some 2012 isn't about facts, message, policies, experience and/or principles it is about the candidate and only the candidate. It doesn't seem to matter what Cain says or does, because like Obama everything is wrapped up in Cain and he has become whatever his supporter want him to be.
That's why it appears this former Clinton Democrat seems to have learned something from his old prez -- if you're a smooth talker and have a loyal enough following you can say or do anything and they're going to defend you regardless of what the truth may or may not be so try to ride out the storm with denials, explanations and half-truths.
At this time it doesn’t look like Cain is comfortable releasing those proscribed from talking. Denying the public the chance to determine if he’s a wronged man, made a really stupid mistake or is a sexually repugnant liar like Bill Clinton.
Cain may win the nomination, but with this unsettled, his inexperience and his constant gaffes he'll make the sure thing of 2012 a close run thing we could easily lose. He’s similar to those candidates in 2010 that snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
Bumr50| 11.3.11 @ 8:51AM
Herman Cain can take independents who are sick of professional politicians.
His "gaffes" are mostly a collection of deliberately misinterpreted statements that are seized upon by those uncomfortable with the idea of a plain talking, honest gentleman that isn't "skilled in the art of politics."
Two words for ya. Too bad.
Cain has both the economic sense and the fairness of presence that America desperately needs and craves after so many years of being ruled by the "two-party evil money cult" that has strangled our growth as a nation and kept us mired in the politics of pragmatism, globalism, and self preservation.
And so he is attacked on every front.
Cain 2012
Louis Jenkins| 11.3.11 @ 9:00AM
Cain has handled the accusations anyway but efficient. While half of the men on this site may have never, ever made a suggestive remark to a female, many here have. Maybe not overtly, maybe not with obvious intentions, but remarks that could have been interpreted as sexual. And if Cain did, well, he did. We would swallow a camel and strain at a knat. And that's what is happening here. The MSM has swallowed the beast of Clinton, Frank, etc., and said it tastes great. And when the accusation towards Cain comes up, they make all sorts of gestures, choking, spitting, etc. What has happened is in the past and while it isn't comfortable, it should be accepted. Still doesn't mean I will vote for Romney or Perry.
canuckistani| 11.3.11 @ 10:42AM
The difference being is that Willie and Frank never said they were not cads, and the voters have chosen them anyway - and would choose Willie again in a heartbeat.
The American voter is not stupid. They don't project false piety onto their leaders like observers here believe they can. The system is rigged to enable egomaniacs and those men just narcissistic enough to ignore the whisper campaigns against them. Guess what? The voters WANT that. Perhaps not what they need, but the record is clear on this.
DTOM| 11.3.11 @ 2:52PM
Oh, that explains O's big approval numbers. Right...
canuckistani| 11.3.11 @ 4:02PM
Yes it does, and we have an opportunity here to circle the wagons around him - will we blow it?
Appears so.
Sad.
DTOM| 11.3.11 @ 5:57PM
Canadian Einstein;
O's approval numbers are low, headed lower. Unemployment will not improve significantly until after next year-Obama's gone.
And just because you are seeing things does not make them real or even sensible. Got any facts or anything?
Dave | 11.3.11 @ 9:11AM
Many of us who understand the campaign process are beginning to refer to this so-called scandal as little more than "manufactured politics." From a timing standpoint, that's exactly what it seems to be. At least on the surface. See, success in life, as it is in the political arena, requires critical timing. Having said that, if someone were to write a short story on this gathering stinkstorm, they might want to call it ... The Mugging of Citizen Cain.
Once upon a time ...
It was as predictable as sun rising in the east, and day follows night. Or if you prefer, night follows day. For those still dealing with the socialist programs and policies President Obama and his cadre of water carriers have pushed on us, the general elections and how to climb out of this economic sewer are the primary issues we should have been focusing on. However, and once again, referring to that day follows night analogy, the Herman Cain story now has candidate Cain directly in the same crosshairs that partisans on the left would be decrying as racist had Mr Herman been happy enough to stay on the plantation, and remain content living off the goverment cotton ball.
For those who may have been busy with other things, and somehow missed the report, racism today primarily exists only if you're a conservative capitalist with matching resume and the accompanying spreadsheets. At least it's that way in American liberal politics. In the interest of fairness, we tried accessing President Obama's own career resume and spreadsheets, but it seems he doesn't really have any ... other than a career of living off someone else's dime while stirring the community pot. I say living off the dime because I'm pretty sure they don't grow much cotton in Chicago, Hawaii, or the study halls of Harvard. But we're still looking.
What, if anything, Cain may or may not be culpable of in terms of alleged sexual harassment issues remains to be seen. And as far as being the Republican presidential nominee next year? Well, that vote is still a long ride over the hill. For those of us who follow the day to day bias's of mainstream American news, the Cain story is exactly the kind of so-called hard news that will keep Brian Williams and Chris Matthews in full spittle mode.
If Herman Cain manages to survive this push-scandal, and somehow can refocus his campaign message to critical issues and proposed solutions, we may all be the better for it even if he ends up not being the conservatives choice for the general election. At least voters attention will be properly directed on what's important, and not distracted by a socialist promoting media who continue sparing no effort to dig-up any small pebbles of dirt that could be used against credible minority candidates who have the audacity to leave the liberal commune while promoting the concept of Living In A Non-Nanny State. In Obama's ideal world, that could be catigorized as a hate crime and punishable under some kind of federal anti-smearing statute.
But, it'll never be enough.
All of the above for American taxpayers to deal with, the ones who actually pay taxes, while the difficult and challenging issues remain. Yet, what's the water cooler chat this week? Why, it's Kim Kardashian and her henpecked husband divorcing after a grueling seventy-two days of sham marriage. As of this moment, we aren't sure if Miss Kim will be claiming the standard irreconcilable differences. If not, it's most likely because she can't spell it.
KKAR-IAN| 11.3.11 @ 2:54PM
O yeah?
Watch me: IT.
C!
Anthony| 11.3.11 @ 9:18AM
The soul of the collective left is as ugly as their physical continence. They are as nasty, vicious and hypocritical as ever.
At least we get to relive the escapades of their heros, Bill (the serial sexual assaulter) Jessie (the work place sexual marauder) Jackson, and John (love boat) Edwards.
Gee, now if only the Politico will do some digging into Obozo's Pakistani college loverboy.
Redstateboy| 11.3.11 @ 9:33AM
the total hypocrisy of the Left is so stunning - it's incredible to behold. Can you Imagine had Clinton been a Republican (with all that happened in Arkansas?!!?) He would've Never been President.
canuckistani| 11.3.11 @ 10:50AM
No, because for Willie to be a republicant, he would have had to sign a piety declaration - like every other skeeze (Ensign, Craig, Sanford) has in order to extort the GOP nom.
No declaration and "Jesus take the wheel" BS means no MSM examination. That's the bargain.
The GOP should do the same, or be considered hypocrites. Too late.
Junior was a coke-addled booze hound and thrice bankrupted businessman who built an open air stadium in Arlington. But he played the born-again card and people on here herded to the ballot boxes.
Willard doesn't even drink, has never been bankrupt. Was a GOP governor in a lefty state, but yet we find it important to question his religion.
The hypocrisy starts and ends here, Red.
DTOM| 11.3.11 @ 2:55PM
You betcha, canuck! It starts and ends within your posting!
canuckistani| 11.3.11 @ 4:04PM
I know my limitations, do you know yours?
You'll be free when you disabuse yourself of mistaken beliefs.
DTOM| 11.3.11 @ 5:59PM
Free of you?
Okay, EVERYTHING I KNOW IS WRONG!
This means you will leave now, right?
Scott| 11.3.11 @ 9:41AM
Really tired of hearing this same argument over and over and over on ever conservative news outlet in the country. Its gotten really tired and is nothing but lazy journalism.
Cain is NOT a serious candidate, never has been. Look at his organization, or lack thereof. He got into this thing for publicity, and he is the proverbial dog that caught the car he was chasing...he now has no idea what to do with it.
If anyone can't see that, then I question either their sanity or their integrity.
Bydand76| 11.3.11 @ 10:35AM
The polling would seem to discredit your argument since Herman Cain is leading in a majority of polls across the country.
Not that I am advocating for Mr. Cain or anything. I am just pointing out a flaw in your argument that Mr. Cain is not a serious candidate.
I do agree with you that it is lazy journalism though.
canuckistani| 11.3.11 @ 10:54AM
The polling shows the GOP is lost in the wilderness - or that true GOP governing policies are DOA with the electorate and Cain's populism is like another episode of DWTS.
Maybe all of the above.
The disconnect on this site alone tells me BHO will be a cinch for reelection. That really stinks.
Drunken Sailor| 11.3.11 @ 12:53PM
Provide links please. The polls I see do not reflect this.
canuckistani| 11.3.11 @ 4:05PM
GOP polls.
Two months before NH and no frontrunner?
BHO is beatable by the generic candidate. That means the nom can bullocks it up. You confident?
the GOP polls suggest not.
irish19| 11.3.11 @ 8:36PM
"Two months before NH and no frontrunner?"
Speaking for myself, I consider that a very good thing. It means we have not let the media or the elites decide who our candidate will be. I wouldn't be unhappy to see the whole thing determined at the convention.
Doctor Right| 11.3.11 @ 12:14PM
Sheer stupidity.
Cain is as serious a candidate as anyone in the GOP field.
He's leading in most polls. He's leading in New Hampshire, where he's hardly campaigned. He's leading in Iowa, he's leading in South carolina.
Yet the fools out there who pine for Mitt Romney (or Ron Paul) persist in the idea that Cain is not "serious".
Get a clue.
The Democrats elected Obama in 2008, the MOST unqualified man in ANY room he walks into, even after 3 years in the WH.
To call Cain, a HIGHLY successful business-leader "not serious" shows that you're the one who shouldn't be taken seriously.
Sean| 11.3.11 @ 3:33PM
Cain is a joke. He knows nothing about the world. He is a business man who is clueless about the economy. He wrote in 2008 that the economy is doing great. Cain isn't even conservative he supported TARP.
DTOM| 11.3.11 @ 6:02PM
YOu have just questioned the integrity and sanity of the majority of voters in Florida, SC, and a number of other states. They are all wrong and you, Scott, are correct. Of course, we all see the error of our ways. We listened to the candidate, read his websites, consider his positions, but forgot to check with you. Oops, silly us!
Why don't you bring some kind of facts to support all of your characterizations and assertions?
PattyMor| 11.3.11 @ 9:43AM
When Bill diddled with Monica and lied under oath, the Left's mantra was its just sex. So why flog Mr. Cain with charges of harassment? Note, its not philandering, rape, or a love child. And the charges are 15 years old. Ever heard of Christian
change of heart (assuming its true) and contrition?
They put up a very concentrated and relentless campaign against Gov. Palin. So they knocked her out. They even questioned Bachmann's helping kids by taking them into her home as foster kids. They flogged Perry with a stupid rock. I say enough is enough.
So can they take Cain down with amorphous charges and induennos? I say enough is enough. And, no they Cain't.
Dick Nome| 11.3.11 @ 9:58AM
There are NO charges, just accusations based on nothing. AN allegation that went nowhere when looked into. I know two former gummint employees who were Sr. level had the same type of accusions made. They were baseless and went nowhere. The complainers were paid nonetheless and that's all the slugs were looking for.
Scott| 11.3.11 @ 10:29AM
Its called running for President. It goes with the territory.
Its not the accusations that make Cain look sad. Its the totally inept and dsyfunctional response to the story that shows the real Cain as someone unqualified.
The bigger quesiton is why are so many conservatives so quickly obsessed with the most intellecutually inept candidate in the contest. From Bush to Palin to Perry to Cain....I don't get it. Apperarantly there is a big segment of the GOP that just loves the mediocre guy or girl.
canuckistani| 11.3.11 @ 12:17PM
No, they refuse to accept governing is difficult.
DTOM| 11.3.11 @ 2:57PM
Oh, it's pretty obvious that your Obama has shown how easy it is to do so very, very badly!
canuckistani| 11.3.11 @ 4:06PM
Exactly.
He ain't my guy, but I'm also not naive enough to believe just getting the WH back is enough.
DTOM| 11.3.11 @ 6:05PM
Scott;
You know when that squiggly line appears under a word you've typed before you submit a comment, it means that maybe it's not spelled absolutely correctly. In case you didn't know. If you are colorblind, it'd look a shade lighter than the typed words.
ole meanie| 11.6.11 @ 10:22AM
Sir, you are so correct. The Tea Party was all for Sharon Angle, Christine O'Donnell, and now Hermann Cain. Cain's supporters seem to equate legitimate questions about their candidate with personal attacks on themselves, to which they respond quite viscerally.
We got Obama because of his skin color, but that is regarded by conservatives as a bad thing. Now we are apparently supposed to elect Cain because he is black. In substitution for intelligent policy proposals, we apparently are expected to give special credit to Cain for his "compelling" personal history. I fail to see what is so compelling about going to college, getting a job, rising to a position of responsibility in the corporate world, etc. Granted, Cain did these things, but so have thousands of people we wouldn't seriously consider for the White House--such as Donald Trump.
Didn't the public go down this trail in 2008 for another charmer with a "compelling" background?
PhilTheCapitalistPig| 11.3.11 @ 10:18AM
Hey why didn't the left report on Anthony Weiner and his Weiner?
bluecollarbytes| 11.3.11 @ 10:29AM
Liberals prefer their Blacks to be entertainers, sportsmen, or deeply-troubled communities in need of liberal guidance.
PhilTheCapitalistPig| 11.3.11 @ 1:41PM
They like a true minstrel show. Typical of the left to project their own tendencies on the right.
1) Saying we vote for him bc it makes us feel we aren't racist.
PhilTheCapitalistPig| 11.3.11 @ 1:42PM
It cut off the majority of my post... Nevermind
fmm| 11.3.11 @ 11:14AM
The left has made it so that businesses go offshore due to overly restrictive regulations. Their truly psychotic social beliefs are now causing individual citizens to act similarly with more people retiring offshore presently than have done so in the past.
PhilTheCapitalistPig| 11.3.11 @ 11:39AM
Most important question to ask: with everything going on today, does it matter what he said to a woman 15 years ago?
If that's more important to you than anything else today, then we are in for big trouble as a nation.
martin j smith| 11.3.11 @ 12:50PM
Cain is a Tea Party guy. Socialists hate them and so do Esteblishment Republicans. Birds of a feather and this not withstanding the bru ha ha ha we have now. But given its support by Socialist Media. And the benefit give by the above two groups and given the timing well its the duck thing you knowing--walking like, talking like is
like etc. So its up to the Repyukiks to put up or shut up. Will they let Cain hang in the wind or defend him --I wonder--lets see. Oh, and as for Paul--he too has an ax to grind in this matter too.
BackToBasics| 11.3.11 @ 1:38PM
How is Cain handling this? Not so smoothly like a snake, but more human-like. So, much is at stake for him and he's no doubt looking thinking much about how Clarence Thomas was almost brought down by flimsy allegations. He was best when he refused to take questions about it yesterday. He should ignore it 98%. I don't thik that blaming Perry buys him anything even if it were true. I do not think he can prove it. It will be a bigger part of the next debate because he brought Perry in.
As I said a few days ago, I think that if it was known or suspected 12 years ago that Cain had high or even presidential political ambitions, these flimsy allegations lend pausibility to a possible setup even back then. Flimsy charges from unnamed sources that he cannot even defend against; it's all too convenient and perfect a trap.
Cain knows the pulse of the nation and what it needs that also go beyond policy. I've liked his homespun stories about his family and his ability to speak forthrightly, about the plight of blacks, including tough-love talk about "brainwashing" of blacks by the left. I liked his singing of the hymn. It actually ministered to me the way some singers are able to do at church. I think he "could" minister some healing to a nation that so desperately needs it. Good policy is necessary and he wants to scale back the Federal government which is great, but it is not everything. Reagan also could reach out beyond just policy and that was as much a strength of his as anything.
I support Cain and will continue to do unless there were real indiscretions that go way beyond innuendo and vague perceptions by women or others who may have had an agenda of money or political destruction. So far it doesn't even go past a plausible setup scenario like the Anita Hill / Clarence Thomas hearings.
Frosty| 11.3.11 @ 2:18PM
The most interesting thing about this whole thing is the timing of it. If it was released to the media by Democrats, then it suggests that they are afraid of Cain in the general election and want to prevent him from winning the nomination. If they really thought he couldn't beat Obama, as they claim, they would just save this and release it after he won the nomination. I suspect that they fear him for the following reasons. First, there are enough independents who will be voting for anybody but Obama. Second, voter turnout will be down on the left. Third, Cain will take more of the black vote from Obama than any other GOP candidate. And last, Cain would get huge Tea Party support, something Romney will not get.
If this was planted by a fellow Republican, his or her candidacy will be over if it becomes public. Perry has shown his willingness to wallow in the slime when he accused Mitt of hiring illegals so I wouldn't rule him out as a source. Could it have come from Romeny? Less likely but if it did, the person who released it will be fired and Romney will claim ignorance of the entire affair.
I just hope that the whole thing will cause donors to support Cain and to beat back the hypocritical left.
diviz| 11.3.11 @ 2:40PM
"The left judges black conservatives by the content of their ideology"
Is that the left wing of the republican party? This is still early primaries yet. The democrats and most moderates are still spectators.
Frosty| 11.3.11 @ 2:48PM
Right, and Bill Clinton didn't have sex with that woman, not once!
DTOM| 11.3.11 @ 2:57PM
It was more like ten times, right?
Frosty| 11.3.11 @ 3:12PM
We'll never know for sure but we can guess....
DTOM| 11.3.11 @ 6:07PM
Maybe we could FOIA his cigar requisitions?
Dick Nome| 11.3.11 @ 3:37PM
Clint did not respond to a single one of my accusations. Therefore he must be guilty of all of them.
canuckistani| 11.3.11 @ 4:07PM
St. Thomas More?
Dan Mathewson| 11.3.11 @ 5:56PM
This is a non-issue. If Boy Clinton could get away with much worse...
nohussein| 11.3.11 @ 6:47PM
It"s all about race, Cain is playing the card, NO CAIN.
Dan| 11.3.11 @ 7:05PM
Rush Limbaugh went so far today as to read an entire letter on air designed to make people think Gov. Romney’s campaign was behind the leak of the current Herman Cain controversy. Fortunately, Hot Air saw through this ploy and presents a more likely source for the leak. Even Herman Cain’s own campaign is blaming an advisor to Rick Perry for leaking the story. Furthermore, a pollster for one of Rick Perry’s Super PACs is pouring fuel on the fire in an effort to end Cain’s campaign. Rush’s listeners should be outraged that Mr. Limbaugh would stoop so low as to pick up on an obvious smear like this and present it the way he did. http://mittromneycentral.com/2.....tt-romney/
Dick Nome| 11.3.11 @ 9:11PM
You don't listen to Rush, do you.
Kingofthenet| 11.3.11 @ 7:38PM
You Conservatives don't get it THIS is what you YOU want, what you feel is IMPORTANT. We as Democrats don't mind some Drugs or Womanizing, or killing Fetuses, YOU Social Conservatives CARE about that stuff, don't feel bad you are BETTER than us...LOL
nohussein| 11.3.11 @ 7:44PM
Moron
Kingofthenet| 11.3.11 @ 7:50PM
It's TRUE, we got Barney Frank as one of our leaders, can't get much more gay than him, so what? You guy's want clean -cut, Christian Conservatives, nothing wrong about that, have some courage of your covictions and don't bemoan how WE can get away with it, we don't care, you do.
Kingofthenet| 11.3.11 @ 7:50PM
It's TRUE, we got Barney Frank as one of our leaders, can't get much more gay than him, so what? You guy's want clean -cut, Christian Conservatives, nothing wrong about that, have some courage of your covictions and don't bemoan how WE can get away with it, we don't care, you do.
nohussein| 11.3.11 @ 7:52PM
Your amoral party is soon to be put on pause, get used to it.
ole meanie| 11.6.11 @ 9:50AM
"The left judges black conservatives by the content of their ideology."
What else should black conservatives be judged by? Their skin color?
If Cain is judged on "character", he should be considered finished. Whether or not the sexual harrassment charges are true, he has reverted to calling his accusers racists and calling the investigion a "high tech lynching". Whiny, self-pitying, underlying sense of entitlement--some "character".