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Herman Cain Sails Into Uncharted Seas
The Tea Party favorite continues to defy the experts.
Karl Rove went on the Fox News “America’s Newsroom” show Monday morning to explain that recent gaffes by Herman Cain have created the perception that the Atlanta businessman is “not up to the task” as a Republican presidential candidate. Rove used a whiteboard to illustrate his verdict on Cain’s inadequacy, citing polls as evidence that the Tea Party-backed candidate had “peaked” Oct. 6-10 and telling host Martha MacCallum that the impression created by Cain’s gaffes was “really deadly.”
Republican voters evidently aren’t in much of a mood to take advice from Karl Rove these days, because scarcely had the former top Bush strategist pronounced Cain’s doom than new polls showed the GOP front-runner still going strong. A CBS/New York Times poll released Tuesday had Cain leading former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney by four points (25%-21%) and, as if to put an exclamation point on the refutation of Rove’s verdict, a Fox News poll released Wednesday showed Cain with the same four-point margin (24%-20%) over Romney. Both of those polls were taken after the Oct. 19 debate in Las Vegas and the Fox poll was taken after Cain had spent several days embroiled in a controversy over his views on abortion.
Cain’s momentum has clearly slowed since the astonishing three-week surge that followed his upset victory in the Sept. 24 Florida GOP straw poll, but such a pace could scarcely be expected to continue forever. Rather than saying Cain has “peaked,” however, it would seem more apt to say that the past two weeks have solidified his status as the 2012 front-runner. As of yesterday, for the eighth consecutive day, Cain maintained a narrow edge over Romney in the Real Clear Politics average, despite constant criticism from Rove and other pundits who never miss an opportunity to declare that the political newcomer can’t possibly win. And according to all the standard measures, Cain’s candidacy does look impossible. But from the beginning, the former Godfather’s Pizza CEO has vowed to run an “outside the box” campaign and the standard measures may not be applicable to such an unorthodox strategy.
One expert who isn’t afraid to admit the difficulty of figuring the odds on Cain is Nate Silver, wizard of political statistics at the New York Times. Examining the gap between the weak “fundamentals” of Cain’s campaign and his high poll numbers, Silver concluded that “there is either something fundamentally unusual about this year’s Republican nomination process, or perhaps that some sort of ‘new normal’ has been established and that the old rules of how you win a nomination no longer carry as much weight.” And as far as trying to predict the chances of Cain’s future success, Silver threw up his hands: “Not only do I not know how I would go about estimating the likelihood that Mr. Cain will win the Republican nomination — I’m not sure that there is a good way to do so at all.” In other words, Cain’s success represents a journey into uncharted political waters, like an ancient explorer sailing off toward the part of the map where the legend reads, “Here Be Dragons.”
At this point, even the campaign’s “gaffes” seem to be helping rather than hurting Cain. Commentators poked fun at a YouTube video in which Cain’s chief of staff Mark Block declares, “Tomorrow is one day closer to the White House.… We’ve run a campaign like nobody’s ever seen, but then America’s never seen a candidate like Herman Cain. We need you to get involved because together, we can do this. We can take this country back.” The video ends with Block puffing on a cigarette, a gesture that caused eye-rolling reactions from critics and helped turn Block’s YouTube debut into a “viral” online sensation, with nearly a million views in the first week after it was posted. One Republican consultant remarked that cable TV news shows seemed more interested in discussing Block’s video than in talking about Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s flat-tax proposal.
Meanwhile, the atmosphere at Cain’s Atlanta headquarters is “crazy, hectic, but fine,” campaign spokesman J.D. Gordon said in a telephone interview last night. “We’re doing well. We’re raising a million dollars a week and we’re expanding staff rapidly. We’re happy with the direction we’re going in.” The increase in staff includes an expansion of Cain’s much-criticized operations in Iowa, where the campaign recently hired former state GOP chairman Steve Grubbs to lead its effort in the Hawkeye State. Gordon said that Cain, who just returned from a two-day trip to Iowa, will be soon spending more time in the state that holds its first-in-the-nation caucus Jan. 3, now barely nine weeks away.
Complaints about the chaotic conditions inside Cain’s organization were highlighted in a New York Times article yesterday, which the candidate’s spokesman shrugged off. “It was sour grapes for some of the people who left the campaign,” Gordon said of the complaints. “The one individual quoted [by name] in the story, he worked for the campaign for less than a month out in Iowa… in June, so I don’t know how much insight he had into the campaign, but I’m guessing, not much.” Staff troubles have plagued the Cain campaign for months (I reported on complaints about his Iowa operation in July), but his rapid ascent to national front-runner status has brought new scrutiny to those problems.
Well-connected GOP consultant Ali Akbar, who has heard many complaints about the Cain operation, wrote yesterday: “To understand this article in proper context, you would have had to work on a dark horse longshot campaign. Rules and methods are different.… Volunteers rise to coordinators and staff positions quickly.… It’s not a pretty sight, but many tea party readers know exactly what I’m talking about.” The clashing of egos is routine within all campaigns. However, as many Tea Party activists have learned in the past two years, the problems can be worse when the egos involved are not veteran professional operatives but rather enthusiastic volunteers new to the game. As much as grassroots conservatives may loathe the hired-gun mentality of Republican operatives whose loyalties are for rent to the highest bidder, valuing loyalty over professional competence creates other problems. And these kinds of problems — ubiquitous within Tea Party-backed insurgent campaigns during last year’s mid-term elections — must now be worked out by Cain’s staff under the media glare of a fast-rising presidential campaign.
What Cain is doing has never been done before, because it’s never been tried before. Harnessing the grassroots energy of the Tea Party movement to propel a political novice to the White House isn’t the kind of project that a professional operative like Karl Rove could be expected to endorse, and the odds of Cain’s success are a mystery even to experts like Nate Silver. And yet the expedition sails onward, into uncharted seas where dragons legendarily lurk.
About the Author
Robert Stacy McCain is co-author (with Lynn Vincent) of Donkey Cons: Sex, Crime, and Corruption in the Democratic Party (Nelson Current). He blogs at The Other McCain.
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Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 10.28.11 @ 6:17AM
I saw Karl Rove referred to as the architect last night by Sean Hannity. Karl Rove sometimes has some good facts but he's only an architect in the sense that George Costanza was an architect on Seinfeld, i.e., Karl Vandelay.
Jack in Wi| 10.28.11 @ 7:16AM
Rove, Cain, Romney, Bush, Gingrich, Perry, endless War, endles debt, endlesss foreign aid, Endless Tarp endless inflation, endless bloated government, endless abortion endless bailout, endless corruption by the Federal Reserve, and social collapse. The Economy is being pumped by the Fed and Obama is going to be running as the guy who got us out of Iraq and got Bin Laden and Gadafi. Will it work? With a candidate from the afore mentioned yes. It is Ron Paul for President and Rand Paul for vice presidnt or ruin. Have a good weekend Shalom.
Drunken Sailor| 10.28.11 @ 9:26AM
"It is Ron Paul for President and Rand Paul for vice presidnt or ruin."
Well Hell Jack, why don't we just dump this whole Republic idea and make them King and Prince? So much for not wanting dynasties.
clarityrising| 10.28.11 @ 9:30AM
Ha, ha, ha... funny. Ron Paul for Pres? The guy who blames the U.S. for 9-11? You are joking right? I can't see any other reason for your post.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 9:37AM
He's NOT joking. Wait'll you meet his bastard child, "Clint."
They LUV Ron Paul. The rest of us (those who don't LUV Ron Paul) are traitors and sell-outs.
Jack also dislikes Jews. Just watch...
Occam's Tool| 10.30.11 @ 6:43PM
Dr R,
yes, both are vermin.
You know, the first dark horse candidate to win was James K Polk. He accomplished all of his promises in one term, made America larger and stronger, and generally kicked ass. If Herman Cain repeats this, that would be very, very cool.
By the way, Clint, Bin Laden isn't delighted any more. Bin Laden is dead, thanks to Bush intelligence gathering. Schuerer MISSED.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 9:45AM
Do Your Homework.
" Michael Scheuer, who was the head analyst at the CIA’s bin Laden unit, Alec Station, and authored the books Through Our Enemies Eyes and Imperial Hubris, said “I thought Mr. Paul captured it the other night exactly correctly. This war is dangerous to America because it’s based, not on gender equality, as Mr. Giuliani suggested, or any other kind of freedom, but simply because of what we do in the Islamic World and because ‘we’re over there,’ basically, as Mr. Paul said in the debate.”
Scheuer also agreed with Dr. Paul’s statement in the debate that the war in Iraq was a diversion from capturing or killing Osama bin Laden and that bin Laden was “delighted” that the U.S. is occupying Iraq as it has become a training ground and recruiting tool for new jihadists joining the movement."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 9:50AM
Dr.Reich's The RINO-CINO Bootlicker,Who Said He'll Vote For Romney.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
loulou| 10.28.11 @ 10:03AM
Scheuer? The groveling one who addresses the interviewer as "sir" and who believes we need to kowtow to the Muslims? That Scheuer? He's creepy. And he demonstrates just how much trouble the CIA is in.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 10:12AM
No Israel Firster PropagandaBoy loulou.
That's Michael Scheuer, The CIA bin Laden Chief, who was in The CIA for 20 plus years & resigned because The CIA was being held back from getting bin Laden on multiple occasions.
Do Your Homework.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 10:43AM
Hey, Clint! NOW we know where you get your insults from!
You steal them...and your NUTTY ideas...from Michael Scheuer!
" There is not a nickel’s worth of difference between President Bush and former President Clinton, between Senator McCain and Senator Obama, between Speaker Pelosi and Mayor Giuliani, between any of the forgoing and any of their Israel-first cheerleaders in the Council of Foreign Relations, the National Endowment for Democracy, and the American Israel Political Action Committee."
- Michael Scheuer, May 26, 2010
Hmmm...Maybe you ARE Scheuer..?
Naaaah. He's kooky, not dumb...
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 11:16AM
That's Not What Your Sister, Axis Sally Says Dr.Reich.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 11:27AM
Meaning what, exactly..?
Please...prove that you can explain a simple point.
Go ahead! Weeeeee're waiting!!!!
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 10:52AM
"WHEN MICHAEL SCHEUER, the first head of the CIA’s bin Laden unit, first emerged into public view almost a year ago, it was a curiosity how he could appear in the media–time after time–claiming that there was no evidence of a relationship between Saddam Hussein’s Iraq and al Qaeda.
It was curious because, in 2002, Scheuer wrote the book Through Our Enemies’ Eyes, in which he cited numerous pieces of evidence showing that there was, in fact, a working relationship between Saddam and al Qaeda. That evidence directly contradicted his criticism of the intelligence that led this nation into the Iraq war, which he called a “Christmas present” for bin Laden."
- Thomas Jocelyn, THE WEEKLY STANDARD
http://www.weeklystandard.com/.....9irrsq.asp
“Regarding Iraq, bin Laden, as noted was in contact with Baghdad’s intelligence service since at least 1994. He reportedly cooperated with it in the area of chemical-biological-radiological-nuclear (CBRN) weapons and may have trained some fighters in Iraq at camps run by Saddam’s anti-Iran force, the Mujahedin e-Khalq (MEK).”
- Michael Scheuer, 2002
"Surely there can be no other historical example of a faraway, theocracy-in-all-but-name of only six million people that ultimately controls the extent and even the occurrence of an important portion of political discourse and national security debate in a country of 270-plus million people that prides itself on religious toleration, separation of church and state, and freedom of speech. In a nation that long ago rejected an established church as inimical to democratic society, Washington yearly pumps more than three billion taxpayer dollars into a nation that defiantly proclaims itself "the Jewish state" and a democracy--claims hard to reconcile with its treatment of Muslims in Israel, its limitations on political choice for those in the occupied territories, and the eternal exile it has enforced on those camped in the refugee diaspora across the Levant."
- Michael Scheuer
Not only does the Emperor (Scheuer) have NO clothes, he's also an anti-Semitic jackass...
Like Jack and Clint.
Scheuer is a crank. Nobody takes him seriously, except for other cranks...
Like Ron Paul...and Jack...and Clint.
RON PAUL = 5%
Occam's Tool| 10.30.11 @ 6:44PM
He missed, Clint, and he's been justifying his pathetic failure ever since. A man would have taken him out and borne the slings and arrows. I've done it.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 10:41AM
Scheuer wasn't exactly successful in getting Bin Ladin, was he?
Axis Sally| 10.28.11 @ 11:07AM
Do Your Homework Israel Firster PropagandaBoy, Dr.Reich.
" Michael Scheuer, the former chief of the Central Intelligence Agency’s (CIA's) Osama bin Laden unit, told the U.K. Daily Telegraph in a recent interview he was prevented from capturing or killing the terrorist by his superiors on at least 10 separate occasions.
In 1995, Scheuer was selected to lead the spy agency’s bin Laden efforts. By then the militant Islamist was exiled in Sudan after angering Saudi authorities. Bin Laden was running several businesses in the African nation that Scheuer suggested disrupting. “We formulated operations and submitted them for approval but they would not approve any of them,” the ex-CIA official told the Daily Telegraph. “If we had been able to deal a serious economic blow it could have been a show-stopper.”
The next year, bin Laden declared war on the American government. And in 1997, when bin Laden was again living in Afghanistan, Scheuer said his team groomed a band of Afghans to capture the suspected terror boss. There were at least two “clear opportunities” to bring down bin Laden by the middle of 1998, according to Scheuer. But in both cases, he said, CIA bosses refused to proceed.
Then, in August of that year, bin Laden’s al-Qaeda network bombed two American embassies in Africa. Bin Laden said the embassy in Nairobi, Kenya, was targeted for serving as a U.S. intelligence hub for the CIA. The attacks killed numerous U.S. diplomats and at least two CIA agents, according to the Associated Press.
Scheuer told the Telegraph that following the missed opportunities to kill or capture bin Laden in 1998, there were at least eight other chances to get the terror mastermind. By that point, bin Laden was supposedly among the U.S. government’s most wanted criminals. But for some unknown reason, senior officials refused to authorize his capture or assassination.
“One 50-cent round could have put us all out of our agony,” Scheuer explained. But that didn’t happen, as high-level authorities consistently ordered the CIA unit not to stop bin Laden."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 11:09AM
Seeeeee !
Even Axis Sally Knows The Truth.
She's A Reformed Whore .
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 11:15AM
Clinty-poo is so in fantasy that he actually doesn't think we can tell he posts using many monikers.
LOL!
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 11:20AM
American Spectator's Resident Lapsed Catholic/ Anti-Catholic Joisey Tag Team, Apocalyptic Crank Lady & Dr.Reich Are In The Building.
They Do Mormons Too.
Now, Tell Us Where You Say Practicing Jews & Muslims Go When The Die, Religious White Trash Joisey Bigot Margie.
You're Up Chubby Cheeks.
Pope Testiculus II| 10.28.11 @ 11:38AM
Say 5 "Hail Marys", my son, and massage your Rosary beads while doing the Hokey-Pokey...
THEN you will be absolved of ALL sin...If I feel like it.
Maybe I will, and maybe I won't. It's my decision, and my church, so don't bug me about it, ok?
Just refill my gin-n-tonic. And massage my bunions, while you're at it.
...Now where's the damn clicker! It's time for another stirring round of "Catholic Chat" with Father Korapi and I don't want to miss it! That Johny...what a card! You know, in Seminary, they called him "Pinky"! Don't ask...
Proud Atheist| 10.28.11 @ 1:14PM
Dr.Right, is this you as the pope? Low grade unworthy of you prior comments if you.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 2:10PM
I actually thought it was kind of amusing, but no, it's not me.
BROOKS!!!
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 3:34PM
That's Because Dr.Reich & Apocalyptic Crank Lady Margie Are American Spectator's Resident Anti-Catholic Bigot Tag Team.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 3:46PM
Heh, especially the part about doing the Hokey-Pokey.
Clint| 10.29.11 @ 8:55AM
That's Because Dr.Reich & Apocalyptic Crank Lady Margie Are American Spectator's Resident Anti-Catholic Bigot Tag Team.
Proud Atheist| 10.28.11 @ 5:29PM
Not Brooks. I know who it is. Still unworthy of you to find it amusing.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 3:48PM
Why would a Proud Atheist care?
Proud Atheist| 10.28.11 @ 5:32PM
Because absence of faith doesn't mean you mock or make fun of another's skin color, religion, sexual orientation, ethinicity, and so on. Should have been obvious to a supposed Christian. You do understand having good manners and respecting each other, don't you.
victor| 10.28.11 @ 6:42PM
More importantly, God is not mocked.
And, as far as respecting each other~ why don't you tell that to that resident filthy mouth, Clint, hypocrite?
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 7:25PM
Uh Oh !
Margie's Crippled Russkie Joisey Bigot Hubby , Victor Is In The Building.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 11:47AM
Clint Is A MAster Manipulator. Look How He Tries To Deflect The Subject From What IS Said To The Messenger Instead.
LOL!
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 12:01PM
Manipulate this Cafeteria Christian Fraud, Margie.
Your Boy, Herman Cain Threw Real Conservative Pro-Life Conservatives Under The Bus And Disrespected Our Vote And Refused To Sign The SBA's Pro-Life Pledge.
http://www.sba-list.org/2012pledge
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 3:11PM
Clint: You are SUCH a loser.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 4:36PM
Margie You're Such A Cafeteria Christian & A Religious Bigot.
victor| 10.28.11 @ 6:43PM
Sorry, Clinty-poo but you know nothing, especially about what Christianity is.
Pigot.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 7:27PM
The Crippled Russkie Joisey Bigot, Victor Doesn't Say" Clinty-poo".
That's Apocalyptic Crank Lady Margie,Using Hubby's Moniker.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 4:05PM
"Now, Tell Us Where You Say Practicing Jews & Muslims Go When The Die, Religious White Trash Joisey Bigot Margie."
"I told you that you would die in your sins, for you will die in your sins unless you believe that I am He." Jn. 8:24.
By your definition, Jesus must be white trash, bigoted, and what else is it that you always say...?
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 4:39PM
I Believe That God Will Certainly Have Practicing Jews & Muslims To Be In Heaven With Him When They Die.
You're A Relgious Bigot & A Cafeteria Christian.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 4:42PM
What do you base that "belief" on, Clint?
'Cuz it's not in the Bible.
Oh, wait...You're a "Cafeteria Catholic".
No meat, today! Just fish! (Oh, I forgot...you don't eat fish...)
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 5:09PM
Soooo, The Twin Religious Joisey Bigots Dr.Reich & Crank Lady Margie Are Saying Practicing Jews & Muslims Can't Go To Heaven & Be With God.
I Say Practicing Jews & Muslims Can Be In Heaven With God.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 5:20PM
The Twin Joisey Religious Bigots Dr.Reich & Crank Lady Margie Are "Using " Jews & Muslims For Their Apocalyptic Agenda & Then Throwing Them Under Their Religious Bigot Bus.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 7:20PM
Furthermore, it doesn't matter what I say, it matters what the SCRIPTURE says.
You were given the Scripture.
Deal with it, imbecile.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 9:42PM
Your Personal White Trash Joisey Bigot Eisigesis Of The Bible Is A Disgrace.
See A Religious Counselor & A Psychiatrist.
Margie| 10.30.11 @ 1:28AM
Clint doesn't believe the Scriptures, he and his lying pals think they can get away with rejecting the Word of God in place of Catholic doctrine.
victor| 10.28.11 @ 6:46PM
Well then, as the Papists are wont to do and believe, you are rejecting the Word of God.
Not surprised. You think Bible believing Christians are Bigots, just as your Papist forefathers did, and put them to death.
No doubt you harbor the same hatred they did, and if you could, would kill me too.
Hmm?
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 6:49PM
Ah, well. Did it again. The last few posts are mine.
p.s. Clint: The key word is: PRACTICING.
God's Own Words trump ANYTHING that YOU have to say. Or anyones else, including me for that matter!
Repent, liar.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 7:30PM
I Think You're A Joisey White Trash Bigot Margie, Using Your Crippled Russkie Hubby,Victor's Moniker.
Tina B| 10.29.11 @ 7:12AM
One question, Clint.
If you can make it to paradise as a Muslim or Jew, or Hindu or Buddist, or Bahai, or Mormon or Jehovah's Witness, or whatever religion you believe that does not involve the death of Christ for your salvation, why in the world did Jesus have to be tortured and martyred on a cross?
Why the Cross? That is the big question. If anyone can get you to heaven, Why the death on the cross?
Clint| 10.29.11 @ 9:07AM
"VATICAN CITY, NOV. 30, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Whoever seeks peace and the good of the community with a pure conscience, and keeps alive the desire for the transcendent, will be saved even if he lacks biblical faith, says Benedict XVI. "
"Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery." Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity."
Margie| 10.29.11 @ 11:28AM
That's Catholicism, it ISN'T the Bible.
In other words IT'S A LIE. You've been had.
GOD SAYS:
"And it shall be that whoever calls on the Name of the Lord shall be saved.'" Acts. 2:21.
That's the Name of the LORD. That is Jesus Christ, he ONLY is LORD, NO OTHER.
All men are NOT called to the same destiny, all men do NOT go to Heaven.
GOD says ONLY those who repent and believe in His Name and believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ are saved. Mk. 1:15.
Repent.
"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways, says the LORD." Is. 55:8.
"Jesus said to him, "I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father, but by Me." Jn. 14:6.
Clint| 10.29.11 @ 12:32PM
Jesus said to Peter: “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of the heavens, and whatever you may bind on earth will be the thing bound in the heavens, and whatever you may loose on earth will be the thing loosed in the heavens.” (Mt 16:19
Clint| 10.29.11 @ 12:45PM
Actually Margie,
American Spectator Readers Are Seeing Your Cynical Israel Firster Apocalyptic Agenda," Using " Jews & Muslims As Your Pawns.
See A Religious Counselor & A Psychiatrist.
Margie| 10.29.11 @ 8:38PM
Huh?
You are truly warped, lowlife.
Clint| 10.30.11 @ 10:55AM
Oh Yes It Does, Eisegsis Spokeswomen Of The Church Of Margie.
Aaaaaand,
"Denominations, including Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans, Methodist, Lutherans and Presbyterians, tend to go one of two ways:
(1) It is not necessary to believe in Christ to go to heaven. In fact, there are many paths to heaven and although Christ is unique (being God incarnate) He is not the only path to God. Other holy people such as Buddha, Mohammed and Gandhi were prophets who led people to heaven. Therefore, one does not have to be a Christian to go to heaven.
(2) Christ is indeed the only Saviour of the human race, and His death and resurrection have brought salvation and eternal life to everyone - including Jews, Hindus, Muslims and so forth. It is not necessary to accept Jesus personally to be saved - as all were saved 2000 years ago. They are called to realise this and to accept the salvation gained by Christ. However, this does not have to mean an explicit acceptance; acceptance may also be implicit by the way a person lives his/her life. Thus, it is perfectly possible for a non-Christian to enter heaven."
See A Religious Counselor & A Psychiatrist.
Margie| 10.29.11 @ 8:37PM
That verse has nothing to do with repenting and believing the gospel of Jesus Christ in order to be saved, Clint.
Clint| 10.30.11 @ 11:01AM
Oh Yes It Does, Eisegsis Spokeswomen Of The Church Of Margie.
Aaaaaand,
"Denominations, including Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans, Methodist, Lutherans and Presbyterians, tend to go one of two ways:
(1) It is not necessary to believe in Christ to go to heaven. In fact, there are many paths to heaven and although Christ is unique (being God incarnate) He is not the only path to God. Other holy people such as Buddha, Mohammed and Gandhi were prophets who led people to heaven. Therefore, one does not have to be a Christian to go to heaven.
(2) Christ is indeed the only Saviour of the human race, and His death and resurrection have brought salvation and eternal life to everyone - including Jews, Hindus, Muslims and so forth. It is not necessary to accept Jesus personally to be saved - as all were saved 2000 years ago. They are called to realise this and to accept the salvation gained by Christ. However, this does not have to mean an explicit acceptance; acceptance may also be implicit by the way a person lives his/her life. Thus, it is perfectly possible for a non-Christian to enter heaven."
See A Religious Counselor & A Psychiatrist.
Nick| 10.29.11 @ 3:08PM
Tina B.,
If I may ask you a question, were all of the American Indians (North and South,) who had never heard the Gospel for 15 centuries after Christ, condemned to damnation?
They never had the opportunity to hear the Good News of Jesus Christ, let alone accept Him as their Savior, until Christopher Columbus arrived on their shores. Were all those generations of souls sent into the lake of fire in Hell?
God Bless!
Margie| 10.30.11 @ 1:25AM
Watch it, Tina B.
The lying Papist Nick is on your tail.
You are about to be tested. However, no answer from Scripture will satisfy the lying Papist.
He doesn't abide Christians very well. He will "Bless" you after each slimy condescending and utterly deceitful twisting of the Scripture with Catholic doctrine.
You'll see.
Jethro| 10.30.11 @ 2:03PM
Hey Trailer Park Margie where are those emails of Ken.
Nick| 10.30.11 @ 2:40PM
Thanks for all the compliments, Margie.
All my love to you, Victor, and the rest of your family. May God Bless all of you. And, Happy All-Souls Day.
Yours in Christ, Nick.
Margie| 10.30.11 @ 9:16PM
Screw you, Nick.
Nick| 10.30.11 @ 11:08PM
"Thank you, ma'am. May I have another!"
(Insult, that is. I know how some of you perverts think.)
Margie| 10.31.11 @ 5:43PM
Burn in Hell, Nick.
Nick| 10.31.11 @ 6:39PM
How very Christian of you, Margie.
I remember Christ telling the Pharisees to burn in Hell, all the time!
God Bless!
Occam's Tool| 10.30.11 @ 6:45PM
Well, Clint, you believe Jews go to Hell when they die, and you've said so. Do I need to bring up the quotes, dildo?
Clanton| 10.28.11 @ 4:38PM
Margie,
Go back to your Ken emails.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 6:49PM
Why, do you find them entertaining, punk?
Clint's basement| 10.28.11 @ 11:42AM
Would it really hurt if someone in this family knew how to use a VACUUM CLEANER?!?!?
There's cheetos and pop-corn all over the floor...and some sticky stuff, too, that I don't want to even think about!
Gross.
Seriously, though...all you have to do is PLUG-IT-IN!!!
...Hellooo?? Anybody there..??
...crap...
Boar Hunter| 10.28.11 @ 12:12PM
Clint, why do you post under different names? You can't hide your brand of crazy.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 1:12PM
Why do Israel Firster Bootlickers Poseur Punk Post under different names ?
Ask Alan Brooks, Dr.Reich. Drunken Swabbie, & The Girls, Chairman Of The Bores.
Occam's Tool| 10.30.11 @ 6:46PM
I always post under the same name, Clint.
In a few months, it will be a perfect time to go ice fishing, Clint.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 11:30AM
Oh, I get it...
AXIS SALLY = Clint.
Gee...that was tough to figure out.
Clint...here's a clue:
When using a different name on an anonymous message board, you need to assume an altogether different identity. Otherwise, people will know it's you.
For example...Most of the people on this board who AREN'T slavish devotees to Ron Paul consider you to be a dolt, and your posts as completely and utterly dumb.
So when you write a post with a different name, but still infuse it with your own unique brand of "dumbness", we know it's you.
:)
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 4:02PM
He's gotten better, Dr. Right. I remember when he would post with the upper case letters at the beginning of each word but using a new handle.
I actually helped him out a bit when I told him, "Duh, we can tell it's you because..."
LOL!
Clanton| 10.28.11 @ 4:38PM
Margie,
What no Ken emails today. Inquiring mind do want to know.
Ken (Old Texican)| 10.28.11 @ 7:43PM
Clanton,
I gave my WORD to Margie that I would never reveal to Vic what she wrote me. I will keep my word.
Christians try to do that.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 8:15PM
Oh, looky thar!
Ken the mighty lying hypocrite addresses the Papist Troll!
You promised me this, eh?
I have asked you REPEATEDLY to post your false charge: You stated that I asked you to Marry me you sicko.
POST IT!
You deceitful bastard.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 8:26PM
What I asked you to keep between us, if i did that, was personal about my RELATIONSHIP with my husband.. it had to do with him not being a Christian and how he became one right before we were married.
This was in a counseling manner, and in fact, you sold yourself to me a a Christian counselor.
NOW: what you slandered me with recently was this: YOU CLAIMED THAT I ASKED YOU TO MARRY ME AND HAVE THE E MAIL TO PROVE IT.
You have produced no such e mail, proving you are a blatant liar.
I have asked you to post this e mail in which I asked you to Marry me, and you have not.
You my dear man, could have your ever loving arse sued not only for slander, but for the emotional distress you are causing me.
I have NEVER asked you to Marry me. I remember once saying to you that I would Marry you if I wasn't Married, and that was to show you that that is how much I trusted you.. an honor that I do not bestow upon just anyone!
NOW: You are trying to suddenly CHANGE it into that you said you "wouldn't reveal what I wrote to you."
You are changing your original slander, which was, that I actually ASKED you to Marry me.
SICK. PERVERTED.
You have revealed yourself for ALL to see here.
You cannot take the charge back. You said I asked you to Marry you.
POST IT!
OR your despicable rear end will end up in a court of LAW.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 8:51PM
Furthermore Ken:
It was YOU who told me to not let my husband see our e mails! To which I ignored. And it is YOU who said to me that "My wife doesn't see these e mails."
I posted that one here the other day.
I couldn't care less what you post of what I said to you, because I have nothing to hide.
You made the claim, that I asked you to Marry you, so we're waiiiiiiting.
FRAUD.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 8:57PM
Maybe it was similar to these exchanges, hmm?
From: vicandmargie
Subject: Re: Great!
Date: January 25, 2010 9:17:16 PM EST
To: Ken
Reply-To: vicandmargie
Ken~~ I just LOVE him, just like I love you.. and Northern Rebel too. I love the Soldiers so much. Lullabye's is a real sweetheart. The classic guy you'd see in an old war flick. My favorite kind of guy. If I ever had to do it again in my life, I would marry a Soldier! :^)
I so appreciate you sticking up for me in there too.. I know it isn't really me that your sticking up for, it's Jesus. It's the Truth. Without your help GreatHeart, I'd get slaughtered!!
On Jan 25, 2010, at 8:29 PM, Linda Putback Bean wrote:
"I didn't hear a thing, soldier" Ha! That might be your best post ever!
That was great, Margie. You also made a friend for life!
Ken
Dan| 10.29.11 @ 11:12PM
You are slick, Ken, You know how to say something and deny in the same sentence that you are saying it. You should teach Rick Perry some debating skills.
Margie| 10.31.11 @ 5:43PM
Takes one to know one, SCUM.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 11:32AM
Ummm...
Hey, genius...Did Scheuer "get" Bin Ladin???
Hmmmmmmmmmmm????
Was he there, "on the ground", when it went down???
Hmmmmmmmmmmm????
Or had Scheuer already been forcibly retired for incompetence by then?
...dummy.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 11:42AM
Asked & Answered Israel Firster PropagandaBoy, Dr.Reich.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 11:49AM
Except For One Thing, Clinty-Poo.
You NEVER Do Really Answer The Question. You Post Obfuscation And Lies.
Aaaaand.. The Only Rebellion You Are A Part Of Is The One Against God.
Repent!
Occam's Tool| 10.30.11 @ 6:48PM
Margie, I think you and Vic are wonderful. G-d Bless.
Margie| 10.30.11 @ 9:19PM
And may God bless you, O.T.
You are an honest man.
(And the LORD truly loves you!).
Clint's basement| 10.28.11 @ 11:52AM
No, it wasn't.
Coward.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 1:13PM
The Chairman of The Bores Wants To Talk To You Poseur Punk Poster.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 2:29PM
We think you mean "Asked and Evaded", Clint-wit...
Stop ducking the question, or admit that you're WRONG...
Because you are.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 4:44PM
Do Your Homework Israel Firster PropagandaBoy, Dr.Reich.
" Michael Scheuer, the former chief of the Central Intelligence Agency’s (CIA's) Osama bin Laden unit, told the U.K. Daily Telegraph in a recent interview he was prevented from capturing or killing the terrorist by his superiors on at least 10 separate occasions.
In 1995, Scheuer was selected to lead the spy agency’s bin Laden efforts. By then the militant Islamist was exiled in Sudan after angering Saudi authorities. Bin Laden was running several businesses in the African nation that Scheuer suggested disrupting. “We formulated operations and submitted them for approval but they would not approve any of them,” the ex-CIA official told the Daily Telegraph. “If we had been able to deal a serious economic blow it could have been a show-stopper.”
The next year, bin Laden declared war on the American government. And in 1997, when bin Laden was again living in Afghanistan, Scheuer said his team groomed a band of Afghans to capture the suspected terror boss. There were at least two “clear opportunities” to bring down bin Laden by the middle of 1998, according to Scheuer. But in both cases, he said, CIA bosses refused to proceed.
Then, in August of that year, bin Laden’s al-Qaeda network bombed two American embassies in Africa. Bin Laden said the embassy in Nairobi, Kenya, was targeted for serving as a U.S. intelligence hub for the CIA. The attacks killed numerous U.S. diplomats and at least two CIA agents, according to the Associated Press.
Scheuer told the Telegraph that following the missed opportunities to kill or capture bin Laden in 1998, there were at least eight other chances to get the terror mastermind. By that point, bin Laden was supposedly among the U.S. government’s most wanted criminals. But for some unknown reason, senior officials refused to authorize his capture or assassination.
“One 50-cent round could have put us all out of our agony,” Scheuer explained. But that didn’t happen, as high-level authorities consistently ordered the CIA unit not to stop bin Laden."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Occam's Tool| 10.30.11 @ 6:49PM
He should have done it anyway. That's what they pay leaders for---to do the right thing and take the heat, putting your job on the line. That's what I do.
Dai Alanye | 10.28.11 @ 1:42PM
“One 50-cent round..."
Never mind Scheuer's CIA blather, where does this guy find such cheap ammunition?
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 1:54PM
online.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM5003-1.htm
markenoff| 10.30.11 @ 11:27PM
So Clinton could have had OBL killed in 1998? Didn't everybody already know that?
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 10:39AM
See???
...It didn't take long.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 10:45AM
You're The Guy,Who Said He'd Vote For The RINO-CINO Mittens Romney.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 2:30PM
If Ron Paul is NOT the nominee, will you support the GOP?
Or will you be a baby, and not vote?
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 3:12PM
Inquiring minds want to know..
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 3:45PM
American Spectator's Resident Tag Team Bigots Margie & Dr.Reich Are Setting Us Up For The Ruling Elites' Frontman, Mittens Romney.
Romney Will Be Exposed For TARP, RomneyCare, Bain Capital's Hand In Job Cutting & Bankruptcies, Crony Capital Campaign Money, Not Signing The SBA Pro-Life Pledge, Just For Starters.
This RINO-CINO Is The Frontman For Wall Street & The Ruling Elite, Not Main Street & We, The Country Class.
Follow Romney's Campaign Money Trail.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 4:19PM
I'm creating a new word here: Pigot.
It means filthy mouthed Catholics who refer to Bible believing Christians as Bigots. (And other "choice" thing).
Papist Troll| 10.28.11 @ 6:28PM
You are a clever little bigot, Margie, spending your day inventing words. Bigot/Pigot Margie, or Pigette .
Clarification: Nobody here refers to Christians as bigots. They refer to you as a bigot. Haven't seen anyone but you called a bigot.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 6:52PM
Really? You haven't seen anyone else called Bigot here? You must be new here.
ALL Bible believing Christians that stand on Scripture here are called Bigots by the Papists.
Papist Troll| 10.28.11 @ 10:34PM
Name the Christians who are called bigot.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 4:43PM
We noticed you didn't answer, Pennsylvania Pansy-Boy.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 4:47PM
Uh Oh !
The Joisey Fruit Has Gone Sour.
Clanton| 10.28.11 @ 4:39PM
Margie,
When your Ohio lawyer told you to go to Texas he was trying to get rid of you,,, wonder why
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 8:28PM
No. you don't wonder why.
And Ken knows EXACTLY why.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 3:40PM
Keep Playing Your Israel Firster RINO-CINO Games & Find Out, Dr.Reich.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 3:58PM
As your phony Papist Trolls here always do to me (and no doubt you are one of them posting with another handle):
YES OR NO. YOU MUST SAY IT NOW! YES OR NO!
Papist Troll| 10.28.11 @ 4:41PM
Margie the woman scorned is upset and taking it out on Clint.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 6:54PM
Ken WISHES he had that power. LOL.
Go away, Clinty/poo aka Troll.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 5:28PM
I Got $1000.00 That Says Those Papist Troll Posts Ain't Mine.
You're A Paranoid Bigot Bitch,Who Has Offended Far More American Spectator Readers Than Just Me.
See A Religious Counselor & A Psychiatrist.
Papist Troll| 10.28.11 @ 6:29PM
Clint is not the Papist Troll. I is the Papist Troll.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 8:12PM
The Word of God offends lying Papists.
Too bad.
And lying Papists offend God!
Papist Troll| 10.28.11 @ 10:35PM
You aren't the word of God.
Pompous.
Margie| 10.29.11 @ 11:30AM
Of course I'm not.
But this is:
"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death." Rev. 21:8.
Repent, liar.
Papist Troll| 10.29.11 @ 2:55PM
You are in no position to tell people to repent. You are a bigot. When you change then you can preach.
Margie| 10.29.11 @ 8:40PM
I certainly am in that position.
Christians are called to tell rebels to repent.
So... repent, rebel against God.
Hell isn't a very nice place.
Dan| 10.29.11 @ 11:15PM
Margie,
stop pretending you are a Christian and lecturing as if you are a Christian.
You are a pompous fraud.
Margie| 10.30.11 @ 1:19AM
"Dan"
You are a lying pervert.
Repent.
Hell is real.
Get ready.
Dan| 10.30.11 @ 2:05PM
Margie the Bigot, You are the one posting tawdry personal emails, Pervert,
Margie| 10.30.11 @ 4:40PM
They aren't tawdry you lying piece of garbage.
They reveal exactly who I am, and whom I love in the Lord.
YOU are filthy scum.
Repent you pig.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 9:35AM
Don't forget to mention that "It's the Jews' fault", Jack!
Derek Leaberry| 10.28.11 @ 10:47AM
Although Ron Paul has many good ideas and is most sincere in wanting to reduce government to the role the Founding Fathers had in mind, he is in league with the homosexuals with regards to the military and thus should be kept from the White House. Like almost all libertarians parading as conservatives, Dr. Paul is a cultural nihilist, as much a part of the cultural morass as any liberal.
Timothey L. Pennell| 10.28.11 @ 8:11AM
Hilarious.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 8:45AM
Dr.Ron Paul Signed The SBA Pro-Life Pledge.
http://www.sba-list.org/2012pledge
Drunken Sailor| 10.28.11 @ 9:27AM
So did Michelle Bachman, Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, and Rick Santorum. You point is?
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 9:33AM
But Dorky Sailor, Hermie Cain & Mittens Romney Did Not Sign The SBA Pro-Life Pledge.
What Happened ?
Drunken Sailor| 10.28.11 @ 9:41AM
Perhaps it's because they prefer what you Libertarians are always preaching about and it should be a state decision, like it was before Roe vs Wade. Amazing how Ron Paul is all about Libertarian issues and smaller goverment but wants a federal goverment to enforce a morale issue. Same tactic used by Liberals.
Chuck| 10.28.11 @ 10:00AM
Tell Your Crap To The Rest Of Our American Spectator Pro-Life Conservatives, Dorky Propagandist.
Herman Cain & Mitt Romney Are Disrespecting & Throwing Us Pro-Life Conservatives Under The Bus.
This Will Not Stand.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 10:05AM
That Must Be Big Chuck, The Pro-Life Guy.
Good Man, Chuck
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 3:27PM
Clint = Chuck = Clint
dumb = dumb = dumb
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 3:52PM
Doctor Right=Anti-Catholic = Israel Firster.
Creep=Creep=Creep
Drunken Sailor| 10.28.11 @ 12:22PM
So in your world because they say it should be a state issue and claim to be pro-live they are lieing unless they joing this group that wants it to be a federal issue.
And that a Libertarian who is always wanted to move everything else down to the state level EXCEPT THIS, is sticking to his issues.
Right? Have you looked up hypocrisy?
And for your info, I am Pro-Life, think it should be resolved at the state level, do not believe taxpers should provide funds except in extreme circumstances (noted below) and understand why a canidate would not sign such a simple statement that doesn't adress abortions in the case of :
1. Risk to life
2. Rape
3. Incest/Rape
And you do realize don't you that this list is by a Pro-life FEMINIST that wants to eliminate ALL abortion. I don't totally disagree with that but many are undecided in the three cases I mentioned above.
I know this is to much detail for you to absorb or research but even jackass can be trained.
Drunken Sailor| 10.28.11 @ 12:42PM
By the way, since you refuse to do your own homework below is why Cain refused to sign.
"Cain issued a statement to explain why he chose not to sign the pledge. He said he agrees with the first three parts of the pledge because he “adamantly” supports the appointing pro-life judges and selecting pro-life appointees to his Cabinet and the Executive Branch as well as ending taxpayer funding for abortions, but he had a problem with the last part of the pledge.
“The fourth requirement demands that I 'advance' the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act. As president, I would sign it, but Congress must advance the legislation,” he said. “I have been a consistent and unwavering champion of pro life issues. In no way does this singular instance of clarification denote an abandonment of the pro-life movement, but instead, is a testament to my respect for the balance of power and the role of the presidency.”
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/po.....fe-pledge/
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 1:16PM
More Herman Cain Shuck & Jive.
That's What The Presidential Bully Pulpit's For.
Herman Cain Has Now Made Shuck & Jive Excuse For Being A TARPSTER, A FEDSTER. Reversing His Stand On Muslims. 9-9-9 To 9-0-9, Now Abortion.
This Guy Is A Shuck & Jive Phoney Conservative.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
chuck| 10.28.11 @ 8:08PM
Wow,
Clint, you really are convincing as me.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 8:10PM
You're slipping, Clint aka Chuck. You FORGOT to quit with the caps in the first letters of all your words.
A little perturbed, are we?
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 11:52AM
"Dorky Sailor?"
Clint always has the most "choice" words for TRUE conservatives.
The more conservative (and especially Christian conservative) one is, the more the vitriol!
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 12:07PM
Your Boy, Herman Cain Refused To Sign The SBA Pro-Life Pledge.
Cain Threw Pro-Life Conservatives Under The Bus & Disrepected Our Vote.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
http://www.sba-list.org/2012pledge
Drunken Sailor| 10.28.11 @ 12:42PM
Cain issued a statement to explain why he chose not to sign the pledge. He said he agrees with the first three parts of the pledge because he “adamantly” supports the appointing pro-life judges and selecting pro-life appointees to his Cabinet and the Executive Branch as well as ending taxpayer funding for abortions, but he had a problem with the last part of the pledge.
“The fourth requirement demands that I 'advance' the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act. As president, I would sign it, but Congress must advance the legislation,” he said. “I have been a consistent and unwavering champion of pro life issues. In no way does this singular instance of clarification denote an abandonment of the pro-life movement, but instead, is a testament to my respect for the balance of power and the role of the presidency.”
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 12:51PM
Duuuuuuuuhhhh !
More Herman Cain Shuck & Jive.
That's What The Presidential Bully Pulpit's For.
Herman Cain Has Now Made Shuck & Jive Excuse For Being A TARPSTER, A FEDSTER. Reversing His Stand On Muslims. 9-9-9 To 9-0-9, Now Abortion.
This Guy Is A Shuck & Jive Phoney Conservative.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 3:15PM
The only one I see constantly throwing decent conservative candidates (Herman Cain especially and specifically) under the bus are YOU, Michael Tomlinson, Ken, and some other Trolls.
And Trolls get a capital "T'.
Check it out, DTOM.
Drunken Sailor| 10.28.11 @ 12:23PM
Don't pay him any mind. His small mind can only resort to name calling when he is losing a argument.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 12:37PM
Which is like, whenever he posts....
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 9:38AM
Dr. Ron Paul Signed My Left Butt-Cheek.
I Will Never Wash Again. Not That That's Really An Issue...
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 9:54AM
Herman Goring did more than that to my butt.
I never wash it anyhow.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 11:03AM
Actually Clint...
Goering was straight.
Not surprising that you didn't know that...
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 11:22AM
Don't Drag Me Into Your Affair, Dr.Reich.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 11:26AM
You dragged yourself in by posing as me.
Not that I care, really. The "dumbness" that infuses your posts is like your fingerprint; it's uniquely you.
And besides...what are ya' gonna' do 'bout it, Cup-cake???
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 12:13PM
You Israel Firsters Do The Poseur Punk Posting Around Here., Dr.Reich.
Aaaand, I'm Gonna Wait For You To Swing Your Purse At Me & Then I Can Legally Give You The Punch In The Face You've Been Askin' For, Puke Dr.Reich.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 2:14PM
Swing my purse..?
Yes, Clint...
You'd probably like to do some gay-bashing, wouldn't you?
You know what they say about gay-bashers, don't you?
That they're all secretly gay, and their anger at gays is actually jealousy???
You've bashed a few gays before, haven't you, Clint?
FYI, I'd kick your a**.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 4:03PM
I Don't Give A Rat's Ass That You're A Fruit, Dr.Reich.
Show Up At Our Tea Party Meeting & Prove You Can Kick My Ass.
Put Up Or Shut Up, Keyboard Coward.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 4:46PM
"Some 'toughs' are REALLY queer...and some queers are REALLY 'tough' "...
- Quentin Crisp
Maybe England's most famous queer was speakin' your language, Clint??
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 7:03PM
More Queer Talk From Dr.Reich.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 4:47PM
"Keyboard coward"!!! LOL!!!
This from a guy who hides behind his keyboard!!!
FYI, Adamski thinks you're a nut-job.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 6:59PM
You Never Showed Up At Our Tea Party Meetings, Coward Dr.Reich.
You're Still Hiding In Joisey.
Adamski Tod Me In Person That You Are A Damned Liar.
Show Up & We'll Both Get Up In Your Grill & Call You A Damned Liar.
Occam's Tool| 10.30.11 @ 6:51PM
Goering was straight, and named his castle after his second wife, Karinhall. What he was was a violent opioid addict, scumbag, kleptomaniac, and wretched strategist.
loulou| 10.28.11 @ 10:05AM
Ah ha!! I suspected there was more going on beneath the surface. This explains a lot.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 10:44AM
It's "Goering", genius...
Learn how to spell, please...
Axis Sally| 10.28.11 @ 10:53AM
Doesn't your friend Hermann use an umlaut and spell his name, Goring.
?
Just askin'.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 11:02AM
Actually, it's both.
My keyboard doesn't do umlauts.
And I just call him "Hermie", anyway...
DTOM| 10.28.11 @ 1:02PM
You mean like GÖRING?
Just search "keystrokes for umlauts"
Dai Alanye | 10.28.11 @ 1:52PM
The sound shift is the "umlaut," the dots that indicate it is a "diaeresis." Just to set you all straight.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 2:14PM
...Smarty-pants...
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 4:17PM
The diaeresis and the umlaut are diacritics that consist of two dots ( ¨ ) placed over a letter, most commonly a vowel.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 4:47PM
Nice cut-n-paste...
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 7:01PM
Nice Excuse For Not Knowing, Pseudo-Intellect Elitist Wannabe Joisey White Trash Bigot, Dr.Reich.
Vern Crisler | 10.28.11 @ 8:12AM
Karl Rove is the genius who said Obama won because he had a clear and consistent message. Ugh. No wonder the Republicans lost the Senate and House to the Democrats and Obama won the Presidency. With geniuses like Rove guiding the Republican party, the Democrats have a bright future.
chuck| 10.28.11 @ 8:23AM
Jack in Wi is now trying to hide his ugly antisemitism by ending his post with shalom.
You aren't fooling anyone!
Sean| 10.28.11 @ 8:32AM
Are you a Jesse Jackson racial huckster or something? Leftists always playing the race card.
chuck| 10.28.11 @ 8:50AM
Wow, you're kidding me, right?
Jack has posted some the ugliest, antisemitic remarks I've read here. And I'm a leftist, Jesse Jackson racial huckster or something, for pointing out his hypocrisy for ending his diatribe with "shalom"?
Wow, your an idiot!
Drunken Sailor| 10.28.11 @ 9:28AM
No chuck. He is simply sticking up for his fellow Ron Paul supporter.
Sean| 10.28.11 @ 10:02AM
Jack has never posted anti-semetic remarks. Like I said hypersensitive racial hucksters are found on the left.
DTOM| 10.28.11 @ 10:38AM
Sean,
You betcha! Jack never posted "anti-semetic remarks."
They were ANTI-SEMITIC.
Drunken Sailor| 10.28.11 @ 12:43PM
They are also found on the extreme right apprently.
DTOM| 10.28.11 @ 1:04PM
They? Anti-semites or Ron Paul supporters? I'm just trying to keep it all in focus...
Why am I doing that?
Drunken Sailor| 10.28.11 @ 1:54PM
DTOM
Take your pick
Occam's Tool| 10.30.11 @ 6:53PM
Sean, when someone is talking about how Jews ought to be more humble after they take FIVE NOBELS in one year, and how much better they will do after Israel is destroyed, that worries me.
loulou| 10.28.11 @ 10:07AM
Rove sabotaged Christine O'Donnell in Delaware and he will attempt to do the same to Herman Cain once he's our nominee. We have his number though. Rove might be more comfortable leaving the Republican Party. He can join the Democrats or form a third party. Buh-bye.
richard ryan| 10.28.11 @ 8:41AM
very nice! (I think it's Art Vandelay tho :)
I used to think Rove was OK, but the number he did on O'Donnell and other Tea Party folks really ticked me off. The more the "establishment" folks try to marginalize Cain the more enthusiasm he will garner.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 10:18AM
The Difference Is That Christine O'Donnell Was A Tea Party Candidate.
Herman Cain Doesn't Have Taa Party Values.
Cain's A TARPSTER & A FEDSTER.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 10:54AM
No. Herman Cain has Christian values. Something you know nothing about.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 11:28AM
Then Why Didn't Herman Cain Sign The SBA Pro-Life Pledge, Cafeteria Christian Margie?
He Threw Us Real Pro-Life Conservatives Under The Bus & Disrespected Our Vote.
http://www.sba-list.org/2012pledge
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 11:53AM
Because he's not under anyone's thumb. Except the Thumb of the Almighty.
As am I.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 12:21PM
Because. Like You Margie, Cain's A Cafeteria Christian Phoney.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 3:18PM
Then if you already had an answer, why'd ya ask, punky boy?
Oh, and according to YOU me & Herman are phonies.
Wow.. I'll wear that as a badge of honor.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 11:55AM
Better yet, why don't you just ask him yourself.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 12:17PM
I Know Why Herman Cain Refused To Sign The SBA Pro-Life Pledge.
He's A Shuck & Jive Phoney Conservative & A Cafeteria Christian, Like You, Margie.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Drunken Sailor| 10.28.11 @ 12:44PM
Cain issued a statement to explain why he chose not to sign the pledge. He said he agrees with the first three parts of the pledge because he “adamantly” supports the appointing pro-life judges and selecting pro-life appointees to his Cabinet and the Executive Branch as well as ending taxpayer funding for abortions, but he had a problem with the last part of the pledge.
“The fourth requirement demands that I 'advance' the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act. As president, I would sign it, but Congress must advance the legislation,” he said. “I have been a consistent and unwavering champion of pro life issues. In no way does this singular instance of clarification denote an abandonment of the pro-life movement, but instead, is a testament to my respect for the balance of power and the role of the presidency.”
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 12:55PM
More Herman Cain Shuck & Jive.
That's What The Presidential Bully Pulpit's For.
Herman Cain Has Now Made Shuck & Jive Excuse For Being A TARPSTER, A FEDSTER. Reversing His Stand On Muslims. 9-9-9 To 9-0-9, Now Abortion.
This Guy Is A Shuck & Jive Phoney Conservative.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 3:19PM
Clint is a living, walking shuck & Jive.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 6:58PM
You really shouldn't try and confuse Clint the Pigot with the facts. It bounces off him like water off a duck's back. Or spears off of stainless steel armor.
He isn't interested in the least bit in the truth. He's a CULTIST.
Papist Troll| 10.28.11 @ 4:42PM
Is Margie a Christian???
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 8:07PM
Are you???
Papist Troll| 10.29.11 @ 2:56PM
More than you, but that isnt saying much. You are a bigot and not a Christian.
Margie| 10.29.11 @ 10:08PM
"More" than me, huh.
Sorry, but there's no such thing, Troll.
You either are or are not Christian.
Repent, liar.
Dan| 10.30.11 @ 2:06PM
Bigot Margie, what no punk, no papist, You are off your bigot game. Inventing more words for you cult of one?
Dan| 10.29.11 @ 11:16PM
What would you know about Christian values, Margie, You don't beleive in the divinity of Jesus so you are not a Christian.
Margie| 10.30.11 @ 1:17AM
Broken record lying Troll.
Repent, liar.
Hell isn't a nice place.
Get ready.
Margie| 10.30.11 @ 1:18AM
I believe the Scriptures. You do not. You believe the Pope.
Jesus Christ is LORD.
Repent, liar.
Dan| 10.30.11 @ 2:08PM
As usual, Bigot Margie, You are wrong. Jesus Christ is God, not just Lord. You are not a Christian. You have invented your own cult of one and worship a book that you don't understand.
Margie| 10.30.11 @ 4:38PM
Troll Dan:
You are disgusting! I have answered you numerous times you lying piece of filth.
May you burn in Hell.
Nick| 10.30.11 @ 2:53PM
I believe the Apostle Thomas, who knew Jesus Christ, personally.
"Then he said to Thomas: Put in your finger hither and see my hands. And bring hither the hand and put it into my side. And be not faithless, but believing. Thomas answered and said to him: My Lord and my God." - John 20:28
Margie| 10.30.11 @ 4:37PM
Yes, Jesus is LORD.
Do you not know that LORD encompases God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit?
You do not know the Scriptures, yet you would judge me?
You are a liar, and deceitful. You reject the Scriptures and replace them with the false and ungodly teachings of the perverted Popery.
Christians reject Catholicism's teachings. There is no Mary as "Mother of God" included in the Diety of Christ.
THAT is where Catholicism is teaching what is called "another Gospel."
You need to repent and believe the true Gospel of Jesus Christ, hypocrite.
"But even if we, or an Angel from Heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we preached to you, let him be accursed.
As we have said before, so now I say again, If any one is preaching to you a gospel contrary to that which you received, let him be accursed." Gal. 1:8 & 9.
Nick| 10.30.11 @ 7:25PM
Yes, Margie, I do know that LORD encompasses God: the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. It comes from the Hebrew Adonai, to use instead of Y-WH.
I was just stating a fact, that it is okay to say that Jesus Christ is God. I was not judging you.
The teachings of the Catholic Church are the Gospel of Christ Jesus.
God Bless!
Margie| 10.30.11 @ 9:24PM
You are utterly disingenuous, Nick.
Repent, Papist.
And believe the Gospel of God.
It is NOT OK to preach another gospel.
Nick| 10.30.11 @ 11:12PM
"It is NOT OK to preach another gospel."
I completely agree. That is why I'm a Catholic.
God Bless!
Margie| 10.31.11 @ 5:48PM
God says you won't be allowed into HIS HEaven because you preach another gospel.
Repent, lying Papist.
"..not that there is another gospel, but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we preached to you, let him be accursed.
As we have said before, so now I say again, If any one is preaching to you a gospel contrary to that which you received, let him be accursed." Gal. 1:7-9.
You've been warned.
Your perverted CULT teachs that Mary is the "Mother of God."
This is blasphemy.
Get right with God.
Nick| 10.31.11 @ 6:36PM
Mary is the Mother of God. This is not blasphemy.
Sorry.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 2:17PM
Neither does Ron Paul.
OOPS! Looks like the Tea Party supports...
HERMAN CAIN!
http://conservativedailynews.c.....tea-party/
Sorry, Ronnie...but your "Blame-America" bullcrap ain't sellin' in Peoria!
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 7:16PM
BullShit , Israel Firster PropagandaBoy, Dr.Reich.
Calling him the "singular defender of liberty" in the GOP field, about 30 leaders of Ohio tea party groups this week endorsed U.S. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas for the Republican presidential nomination.
The leaders, stressing they were endorsing Paul as individuals and not on behalf of groups they represent, said in a press release they are "tired of typical Republican establishment candidates whosw rhetoric do not match their record."
Referring to Paul as a fighter "against big government in Washington for over 40 years," the tea party leaders said, "Ron Paul's record of fiscal discipline is unmatched. In 12 congressional terms he has never voted for a tax increase. He has never voted for an unbalanced budget. He has never voted for a bailout. He has never voted for raising the debt ceiling."
Among prominent signers of the release endorsing Paul: Joe Bozzi, co-founder of the Ohio Freedom Alliance and Ohio Liberty Council; Maurice Thompson, executive director of the 1851 Center for Constitutional Law; and Chris Littleton, co-founder, Ohio Liberty Council and board member of the Cincinnati Tea Party.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Frank Drackman| 10.28.11 @ 9:39AM
Karl Rove looks like that dork on the old Apple vs PC adds...
and how did Apple get to be "cool"? I liked havin computers with new models every few years that you could tinker with under the hood, like a 69 Malibu SS...
Funny how that acid droppin/granola crunchin/pot smokin Steve Jobs dies of Cancer and not one bleat in the Marxist Stream Media like with the Marlboro Man/John Wayne/George Burns died about the E-villes of smoking...
Frank
loulou| 10.28.11 @ 10:09AM
Rove has that giant watermelon shaped head with a chin that merges onto his chest on top of a slight body. From the neck up he looks like he should be portly. It's a weird visual.
Redstateboy| 10.28.11 @ 10:29AM
Karl Rove went after Christine O'Donnel and tossed his support to her RINO opponent.. Rove, O'Reilly and Krauthammer are really getting on my nerves with their "Kingmaker" mentality.. who the F! do they think they are?!!
Redstateboy| 10.28.11 @ 10:34AM
that's funny Bill... you've got a great sense of humor.. I'm put'n my Money where my mouth is and sending it to Herman Cain!! If you like Herman Cain and what he stands for.. Pony up $100 bucks!
CESC| 10.28.11 @ 10:39AM
It was Art Vandelay.
Quartermaster| 10.28.11 @ 1:54PM
Rove can't stand it because things aren't being done in a way he can understand, and Cain is not his kind of establishment GOP guy.
The establishment part is the most important thing to him. Just remember Rove ran Bush's campaign like Bush was a conservative.
In other, and plainer, words, Rove lied. Architect my ___!
Alan Brooks| 10.28.11 @ 8:16PM
Rove is one person I harbor an intense unshakeable dislike for, Rove is almost a caricature of the porcine political operative-- swinish in evey sense of the word.
If Rove doesn't have much use for Cain, then perhaps Cain ought to be president?
Dan| 10.29.11 @ 11:17PM
Brooks, how about Carville and Begala, they are lower than Rove.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 8:50PM
"Herman Cain may not think it's important to know who the president of Uzbekistan is, but he might want to brush up on his knowledge of the constitution.
The GOP candidate told Christian Broadcasting Network that he would sign a constitutional amendment banning abortion.
"I feel that strongly about it. If we can get the necessary support and it comes to my desk I’ll sign it. That’s all I can do. I will sign it," he said.
Unfortunately for Cain, as Politico's Ben Smith points out, the president doesn't sign constitutional amendments. In fact, he plays essentially no role in the process."
richard mcenroe | 10.28.11 @ 8:55PM
The Architect is the supreme program in The Matrix who keeps trying to create a perfect but deceitful environment for the enslaved humanity, yet they keep rebelling and escaping his control, while he never admits his mistakes.
DTOM| 10.28.11 @ 7:01AM
You have to admit that Cain's COMMERCIAL endorsement from his advertising placements on the Limbaugh radio show are a very clever move.
Rush has got to admire that chutzpah.
Mr ED| 10.28.11 @ 7:03AM
"As of yesterday, for the eighth consecutive day, Cain maintained a narrow edge over Romney in the Real Clear Politics average, despite constant criticism from Rove and other pundits who never miss an opportunity to declare that the political newcomer can't possibly win."
Boy, ain't it the truth. In the past few weeks I have heard the collective right wing media (especially that loud-mouthed know-it-all cabbie, O'Reilly) pronounce Cain as a non-candidate dozens of times. And yet at the same time they keep trying to inflate the collapsed Parry campaign at every turn, desperately hoping to keep the social conservatives off the Cain train until Romney has won one of the carefully engineered primaries.
This is a replay, at least in part, of the 2008 election - The Republican elites doing their best to make sure the entire process favors their RINO who they are confidant they can control and be sure to get what THEY want: 1) NOTHING done about illegals or the border, 2) The accumulation of power in a centralized federal bureauracy must continue unabbated and 3) The Federal Rerserve and IncomeTax must continue without any serious changes.
The two party system has devolved into a one party system with two opposing factions. They both need to be taken to the woodshed, and soon.
Pecos Pete| 10.28.11 @ 7:19AM
The USA is suffering chaos resulting from the strong professional political organizations of King O and Congress. Thus, we are supposed to believe they, the professionals, can do better than Herman Cain?
Cain's honesty is more preferable than the professional slickness of Mr. Rove and others like him ... you know, the Ruling Class.
Kelly Staples| 10.28.11 @ 7:32AM
Karl "Turd Blossom" Rove is unimpressed? What more evidence does one need? Go Tea Party! Go Herman!
Redstateboy| 10.28.11 @ 10:31AM
Herman is shaking the "Republican" world and if they're (the ruling class) isn't careful.. we'll end up with 4 more years of Das Messiah.
Michael Tomlinson| 10.28.11 @ 7:38AM
A 1/4 of Republican leaning voters (roughly the same number devoted to Romney) seem to be a lot like Obama’s 2008 voters or the African-American community and no matter what Cain says or how he waffles, flips and flops they don't care – he so affable, genuine and what a sense of humor – the best reasons to elect him Mr. Popularity, but not President. What's even more amazing they condemn moderate and even more successful private businessman Romney for his changes, but then commend Cain for his eagerness to change daily as a mark of great business acumen (principles and treasured conservative beliefs be damned Herman’s convoluted and contradictory words are now the gospel). This is the problem with populists it’s not the substance they’re interested in it’s the style.
We now know Cain lobbied for smoking and ending the minimum wage in restaurants, but why didn’t he do something about the mammoth problem of hiring illegal aliens in the food service industry? I’ve looked high and low for evidence he did, but it seems the National Restaurant Association that he once chaired has consistently advocated for open borders, amnesty and a pathway to citizenship to get cheap. I know one lament Sean Hannity has for these poor souls is that they aren’t paid adequately and are more like slave labor. He may want to take that up with Herman Cain and get an explanation why he supports slave labor wages? It mystifies me that a man who is single handedly doing all he can to turn wavering Hispanics into solid Obama voters did absolutely nothing about illegal aliens when he actually could. I guess it’s like abortion, homosexual marriage, gun control, hiring Muslims, freeing terrorists from GITMO and killing American Muslim jihadists he was against it, before he was for it, before he was against it again.
Inexperience and inability are no impediment for the Cainites and their unshakable devotion to Herman, but as we saw in November 2010 with Buck, Miller, Angle and O’Donnell (Rubio is a fixture of FL GOP politics and Rand Paul got his politics at his father’s knee) inexperienced and hapless candidates can win primaries, but they’re disasters in general elections where they snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and give status quo Democrats a win.
chuck| 10.28.11 @ 8:32AM
You sound like Karl Rove. Go ahead, keep posting your filthy lies, like Cain is pro-abortion, pro-illegal alien, pro-big government.....
BTW, I heard Herman wants to fry Mexicans at the border with an electric fence. How does this jive with his "pro-illegal alien" stance?
Y'all anti-Cainites need to work on your message.
It ain't working!
Sean| 10.28.11 @ 8:34AM
Supporting TARP is not a small government position. Nice try.
chuck| 10.28.11 @ 8:44AM
I didn't support TARP either. Didn't then, don't now. It more than likely cost McCain the election.
There was some real concern at the time of a complete collapse of the banking system. I heard reasonable businessmen talking about banks rescinding credit lines, being unable to make payrolls, or pay suppliers. There was a real chance of some major economic chaos. TARP was design to temporarily shore up banks to prevent this. TARP money lent to the large banks has been repaid, with interest. However, TARP money has gone to places it was never intended to go. Hence Cain's position that he supported it as designed, but not they way it was abused.
I believe if you know the facts, it is a reasonable position. I may not agree totally with it, but I can respect his opinion.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 9:05AM
Herman Cain Is A TARPSTER.
Andrew Moylan of the National Taxpayers Union,
" In the end, we were right. The entire Wall Street bailout has cost taxpayers billions while not improving the economy in the slightest. It surely has not improved the housing market or the job market — the unemployment rate stood at a high 9.6 percent. In fact, a Congressional Oversight Panel report says that “there is very little evidence to suggest that [TARP] led small banks to increase lending.”
Just as we expected, TARP exacerbated the moral hazard problem. If banks know they will be bailed out, they have more incentives to engage in high-risk and high-reward positions. If they succeed, they are rewarded by the market. If they fail, they are rewarded by the government through taxpayers. "
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 10:55AM
Clint and Michael Tomlinson are blatant liars.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 11:35AM
Tell That Crap To Your Boy Herman Cain.
“If they want to nail me with my support for TARP — you know what? I’m not going to be able to counter that,” Cain told TPM in a wide-ranging interview last weekend. "
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 11:59AM
Clint has a habit of cherry-picking quotes because he is a deceitful snake. Here's the rest of that article:
"...Cain told TPM in a wide-ranging interview last weekend. “Here’s what we will do — we will have a spot on our website that says, ‘if you really want to know the truth about my position on TARP, go look at this two-minute video.’ If they choose not to, I can’t change that.”
Should it come to it, Cain agreed that a 30 second TV spot recounting his November 2008 syndicated column extolling the virtues of what tea partiers have come to view as one of the dirtiest bailouts in history could cause trouble for his tea-fueled campaign.
But he said that anyone who thinks of him as a TARP advocate has the wrong idea. While he supported the idea of government pumping cash into banks during the darkest days of the financial crisis, Cain says he takes great issue with how the money was doled out.
“I thought TARP was going to be an opportunity for the government to allow any bank that needed to to restructure its balance sheet,” Cain said. “But it didn’t. It only picked its friends. That’s when I turned against TARP.”
Cain says that the way TARP worked — he said it was used to “reward winners and losers” — was not what he expected. And that turned him from a friend of the program to a foe.
But Cain still speaks highly of the idea of TARP in a way that would probably give some of his supporters pause.
“We needed to do something drastic because we were facing a very drastic situation,” Cain explained. “The concept was fine.”
Back in 2008, Cain wrote that anyone who opposed the financial sector bailout was practicing “economic illiteracy.”
He tempered that a bit in our interview.
“They are economically uninformed,” he said when I asked if the tea partiers who still oppose bailouts of any kind are among those he talked about in his column. Cain said that he’s spoken with tea party leaders about his past support for TARP, and he doubts that his views will be a problem for him on the campaign trail.
“Is my support of TARP the biggest problem we have in this country? We got a moral crisis, we got an economic crisis, we’ve got an entitlement spending crisis, we’ve got an immigration crisis, we’ve got a foggy foreign policy crisis, and we have a deficiency of leadership crisis,” Cain said. “If people want to make a decision to support Herman Cain based on me supporting TARP initially, I can’t stop that. But that’s not going to stop me from running the toughest race that I could possibly run.”
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 1:33PM
"Cain’s TARP talk, praise of the Fed could hurt him with conservative voters
By Cameron Joseph - 10/13/11 08:38 PM ET
Businessman Herman Cain has shot to the top of the polls with support from Tea Party members, but his backing of the Troubled Asset Relief Program and opposition to auditing the Federal Reserve could hurt him with those same voters.
Levi Russell, the spokesman for the fiscally conservative group Americans for Prosperity, said that Cain will have to explain his stances on these issues if he is to remain a first-tier candidate.
“Among the Tea Party audience, the TARP bailout is something they’re adamantly against, and they’re going to absolutely need to hear more from him on this issue to be comfortable with him,” said Russell. “I don’t know one Tea Party activist who’d say it’s a bad idea to audit the Fed, that’s not a popular position for him to be staking out.”
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Drunken Sailor| 10.28.11 @ 1:57PM
Cameron Joseph may want to re-think his 10/13/11 statement since Cain had gone even higher in the polls since then. In fact he is in territory Paul has never seen.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 7:18PM
You Israel Firster PropagandaBoys Ain't Gonna Change Our Tea Party Patriots Minds On TARP & The FED.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Boar Hunter| 10.28.11 @ 12:17PM
Is TARPSTER that thing you wear on your head Clint, I didn't know they made em out of Aluminum.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 12:29PM
Ha!
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 12:57PM
The Shuck & Jive Phoney Conservative Herman Cain Wears The TARPSTER Suit.
We Tea Party Patriots Oppose TARP, The FED, The Stimulus, The QE's, FNMA, FHLMC.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 2:35PM
Gee, Clint...
How come you NEVER refer to other GOP-candidates that you don't like as "Shuck & Jive"...??
Do you refer to Cain that way because he's black??
So you don't like Jews...
And you don't like blacks...
You MUST be a Ron Paul supporter!
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 7:21PM
You're A Slandering Liar, Joisey Bigot, Dr.Reich.
Now, Tell All The American Spectator Readers What You & Margie Say, Happens To Practicing Jews & Muslims, When They Die.
You're Up Joisey Bigot, Dr.Reich.
Occam's Tool| 10.30.11 @ 6:55PM
Clint: would you care to repeat your comments on Judaism, or shall I do it for you, boy.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 4:38PM
Clint wears a TARP made out of stainless steel. Everything slides right off of him.
Cold, hard steel.
Repent, liar.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 2:18PM
RON PAUL = 5%.
Herman Cain = Tea Party favorite
http://conservativedailynews.c.....tea-party/
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 7:23PM
Bullshit , PropagandaBoy, Dr.Reich.
Calling him the "singular defender of liberty" in the GOP field, about 30 leaders of Ohio tea party groups this week endorsed U.S. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas for the Republican presidential nomination.
The leaders, stressing they were endorsing Paul as individuals and not on behalf of groups they represent, said in a press release they are "tired of typical Republican establishment candidates whosw rhetoric do not match their record."
Referring to Paul as a fighter "against big government in Washington for over 40 years," the tea party leaders said, "Ron Paul's record of fiscal discipline is unmatched. In 12 congressional terms he has never voted for a tax increase. He has never voted for an unbalanced budget. He has never voted for a bailout. He has never voted for raising the debt ceiling."
Among prominent signers of the release endorsing Paul: Joe Bozzi, co-founder of the Ohio Freedom Alliance and Ohio Liberty Council; Maurice Thompson, executive director of the 1851 Center for Constitutional Law; and Chris Littleton, co-founder, Ohio Liberty Council and board member of the Cincinnati Tea Party.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
richard ryan| 10.28.11 @ 8:51AM
Cain was not happy with the way TARP was implemented, he made that clear in the last debate. I think he shows promise, and I'm not going to form a definite opinion this early in the race. Romney has had a decade to work out the "correct" position on all the issue, and he STILL makes gaffes and middles his way through difficult political issues like some damn democrat. Cain, on the other hand, is answering off the cuff on much of this stuff, and in my opinion he is holding his own. Sure he's made some mistakes, but he will sharpen up very quickly as his support becomes more solid.
Sean| 10.28.11 @ 10:07AM
TARP was designed to pick winners and losers in the market place. Cain supported this leftist idea. I think his excuse is terrible for two reasons. One TARP as proposed that he supported was a big government idea and anti-capitalist. Second it shows he is naive in thinking government wouldn't abuse any power given to them.
Dai Alanye | 10.28.11 @ 2:07PM
TARP was designed to clear the market of bad mortgages. After passage, Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson used the funds to subsidize purchases of weak banks by stronger ones, quite a different matter.
A question we ought to be asking is which version Herman Cain supported.
loulou| 10.28.11 @ 10:11AM
The SEIU/Reid stole the election from Sharron Angle and I wouldn't be surprised if there was election fraud in the others.
CESC| 10.28.11 @ 10:46AM
My wife and I witnessed busloads of non-english speaking hotel and casino workers shipped to polling places and being handed cards listing the candidates they were to vote for last November here in Las Vegas. No one asked for their IDs to verify their legal status. Fraud, complete fraud. When will the majority realize that we are being run over by illegal votes for democrat candidates, when will the majority wake up to see the complete fraud of our elections? We need voter ID NOW! You have to show a drivers license to drive. You must show ID to complete bank transactions. Demand the same for voting!
martin j smith| 10.28.11 @ 7:49AM
Thank G-D that we are going into unchartered waters because the chartered waters are and have been a disaster for this country. We need not only new people but new ideas and yet a desire to brig back our nation from the brink of disaster that Left Socialism and Socialism Light ( that is the Karl Rove style or associations such as GWB ) have given us.
I am aliented from the " Democrat" and republikrat" Parties . They are useless foir this nation to survive. The Tea Party has temporarily prevented a fall into the abyss. But only temporarily. It was not the Republican Party that won the 2010 election it was a result of the tea Party and its opposition to the status quo. Sadly Republican establishment ( Socialism Light ) have shown their arrogance and destructive behavior.
We do not have a "weal field" as some have claimed. What we have are several "outsiders" who the Republican establishment do not like. It also shows that both Parties and divorced from the voters. So--I am glad the Cain is doing well. I am not a supporter or detractor of anyone except ( Ron Paul and John Huntsman --Never and Romney is on probation ) The others must show me their stuff and their are miles to go before decisions are made.
Carl Rove and others of his ilk are not connected to the people ( that is the 99% ) who suffer from the terrible policies of Obama and GWB( GBW's responsibilities are there butt hat is another post )
and I can add Clinton to the list and others.
Karl Rove and his friends will not get it because they do not understand voters who understand them all too well.
DTOM| 10.28.11 @ 10:48AM
mjs;
Do you really mean "unchartered waters?" Is your point that in "unchartered waters" you cannot rent a boat, that you have to swim?
Or did you mean to say "uncharted waters?"
And exactly when do we ever enter "charted waters" when moving forward in time? Exactly never. Or did you forsee the 9/11 attacks, the tsunami, and say, the Challenger explosion?
Actually, you might take a minute to proofread your posts so we can be a little more sure of what your points are. Your posts are full of errors; is your thinking? A lot of people take those spelling errors as a sign of lackadaisical mental processes, often rightly so.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 10:58AM
"..who by a word make a man out to be an offender, and lay a snare for him who reproves in the gate, and with an empty plea turn aside him who is in the right." Is. 29:21.
DTOM| 10.28.11 @ 12:00PM
Margie;
If you read mjs's post, you'll find it's barely intelligible because of all of the misspelling and grammatical confusions. mjs is not offending in a single word, and I didn't lay a snare for him-I tried to help him straighten up and fly right, sort of Matthew 18:15 like. If he keeps it up, will you help, ala Matt 18:16?
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 12:08PM
NO.
Boar Hunter| 10.28.11 @ 12:41PM
DTOM,
You were absolutely correct about mjs. Of course we should always scoff at and hold anyone who uses improper grammar in disdain. After all, if they are unable to spell correctly, what does it matter if their ideas are right or wrong?
I much prefer someone like you who arrogantly foists themselves on others as a pseudo intellectual. You know, someone who writes well enough that I can immediately discern the arrogance and vapid idiocy of their thought process.
You claim his post was "barely intelligible because of all of the misspelling and grammatical confusions," but went on to knowingly extrapolate an incorrect conclusion for what he meant, just so we could all see how smart and clever you are.
Since your so well versed on the Bible, why don't you apply some of it to yourself instead of being an obnoxious ass.
Boar Hunter| 10.28.11 @ 12:49PM
Oh and by the way, clever man that you (think) you are, you try to laughably ensnare Margie in your antics.
How did that work for you? Ha ha ha.
Is it your belief that others are so beneath you intellectually that they just sit back in awestruck wonder anytime you grace them with your profound insight?
Try a little humility, none of us are ever as smart as we think we are. Take Clint for example.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 1:02PM
Herman Cain Has Now Made Shuck & Jive Excuses For Being A TARPSTER, A FEDSTER. Reversing His Stand On Muslims. 9-9-9 To 9-0-9, Now Abortion.
This Guy Is A Shuck & Jive Phoney Conservative.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 2:19PM
RON PAUL = 5%.
Herman Cain = Tea Party favorite
http://conservativedailynews.c.....tea-party/
DTOM| 10.28.11 @ 2:01PM
Okay, Boring hunter.
Actually read what I posted - I asked mjs questions, encouraging him to be more careful in his posting so that people might be less likely to dismiss him as unserious.
mjs did not complain about my questions.
As to Margie; same thing. In response to my exhortation she found an Isaiah passage to condemn me because she saw a snare that she thought I had laid for mjs.
But what is a snare? It is a hidden trap intended to harm and capture; exhortations to better efforts are not snares. To which I responded as she so likes to with Biblical passages, germane, contextually correct passages.
She did respond in the negative my invitation, but she did not complain about my response to her.
You respond to all this by deciding that you know enough to pass judgement on me, my faculties and my capabilities.
I merely asked a few questions - you condemn me for that.
So, who's really is the pseudo intellectual here? The one asking simple questions or the one making blanket inferences about someone's capacities and capabilities based on those few questions?
You answer that question, I daren't respond to the mighty, powerful Oz, lest He find more flaws in my character.
Now, as you have opened that door, I will judge your actions. You have PROJECTED your arrogance, your own presumed superiority, and your superior ignorance onto me.
Well, I won't have it. I treat others with respect, sometimes with a little humor - you do not. You do not even rise to the level of Pseudo-intellectual.
And I didn't ever say that Clint was smart or dumb! But you did.
Jerk! You do not even comprehend simple English.
PS to Margie;
I had no intention of snarling at you; your "NO" spoke volumes to me. But, this jackass went pretty far out of line, especially when you read all of the posts carefully. DTOM
victor| 10.28.11 @ 3:00PM
I'm condemning? LOL!
"Your posts are full of errors; is your thinking? A lot of people take those spelling errors as a sign of lackadaisical mental processes, often rightly so."
Puleeeeze. You saying that to Martin wasn't "condemning"?
Get real.
I know you used to post as Dan Hirsch, and you were the same game playing little turd then as you are now.
Your changing your name "speaks volumes." I mean, if you wanna look at it that way.
Sheesh.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 3:03PM
oops. That was me.
You see, contrary to what a certain egotistical slanderer here, my husband and I share not only the same e mail, but the same keyboard.
When he posts, and if I forget to look at the screen before posting after him, his name will still be in the box.
Oh well. We all make mistakes, don't we?
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 3:22PM
Then again, if you wanna call a truce, and forget the nonsense, I'm game.
I'm sick of petty stuff.
Boar Hunter| 10.28.11 @ 3:58PM
Thank you for proving my point. I never claimed nor boasted any special intellectual faculties beyond the ability to see through the transparent rudeness of the tripe you post. Your outrage directed toward anyone who deigns to question your intellect speaks volumes.
Let me point out a couple of examples of your arrogance. "Okay, Boring hunter" as in "you asked for it," is the transparent almost comical braggadocio of someone so self absorbed and supremely confident in their intellectual superiority that they begin by boasting of their victory in advance.
As I said before, "Try a little humility, none of us are ever as smart as we think we are."
Your tactic of repeatedly setting up straw men to knock down, simply demonstrates that you believe others to dim witted to see through your transparent and fictitious arguments and you have not been called on it before. The fact that you base them on false premises is simply insulting and you in your arrogance are blind to their vapid childishness.
You laughably accuse me of some scurrilous attack on your character, because you were merely, "asking simple questions." Oh really, is that what you were doing? Your sorry claim to treat others with respect is pathetic. Was it respectful for you to denigrate the man for his spelling inaccuracies? You openly and arrogantly attacked someone you saw as an easy target because of their deficiency in spelling and grammar and then have the gall to claim you were merely trying to "encourage" him...Seriously, what a pompous ass.
Whatever, anyway it was nice that you offered your fake, insincere apology to Margie and if my being a big ol meanie and jerk to you provoked that response then I graciously accept the title of Jackass.
As far as Clint. Clint is an idiot. He is a rude, childish, sometimes demented moron who spends his days calling others names, lowering the public discourse and I make no apology for anything I say regarding him.
By the way, the one thing I believe you to be correct about was your, "Well' I wont have it" boast. Did you actually stop your foot when you wrote that? If you did then that would have been totally hilarious!
The great and powerful Oz has spoken.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 4:15PM
Well done, Ozzie. Hat's off to you, kiddo. :^).
Oh, wait! Did I put that apostrophe in the word hat's in the right place? Or... what?
DTOM| 10.28.11 @ 6:08PM
Oh thank you great and powerful Oz.
Since you are so much more brilliant than I am, please show me one example of my many straw men.
Then I can learn from the error of my ways.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 7:45PM
Listen, kiddo. Ozzie's right.
DTOM, you're being rather disingenuous.
Why is that?
Oh, never mind.
Just think about it.
Margie| 10.29.11 @ 10:07PM
I call phony to you, DTOM.
You're a fraud. You used to post as Dan Hirsch, and always sought to entrap me before. You falsely accuse and then when I try and speak to you, you ignore.
Arrogant punk.
DTOM| 10.31.11 @ 12:40PM
Boar hunter and margie:
I was once told not to try to teach a pig to sing, it wastes time and irritates the pig.
If you want to infer that I just called you pigs, it's up to you.
Consequently there is no point in bothering to refute the Bore Hunter. Every charge he lays on me he commits in his own words in the very same response.
BH your projection on to me is remarkable. It's amazing how completely you do it. Your claimed arrogance, condescension, amazing pride, they are all present and accounted for in your posts. Let's not forget the name calling, too.
But, you both may be worse than Clint, your favorite target. At least he doesn't wrap himself in any pretense of intellectual legitimacy other than a near manic devotion to Ron Paul. (Calling somebody a 'pseudo intellectual' can have no other interpretation than the speaker considers himself 'an intellectual.' Is there any other possibility?) He doesn't do so well in the logic department. Neither do you all. He does pretty well in the name-calling competition though; you both do pretty well at that, too.
margie: you have another problem. You spend a lot of time professing Christian faith quoting Scripture. Yet you are quick to judge others, to condemn them to hell; this is clearly not any lesson the Christ ever taught. Do I need to quote Scripture for that? Please note, I am observing your behavior and commenting on whether Christ instructed his followers to indulge in that behavior. Where that is taking you is not my department, I dare not mock God.
So call me more names, make up more "crimes" they only serve to show others how far you will go to discredit those who post here that you just don't like, because in many things we actually do agree.
George Soros would be so pleased with you all.
PS A request for you both: the idea here is to advance our political beliefs by arguing for them. I wish you would both take more positions which I disagree with because your support is so counter-productive to what you claim to promote.
See ya, wouldn't want to be ya!
Let the spitting re-commence.
Margie| 10.31.11 @ 5:53PM
You just proved all the more what a pitiful, disgusting, twisted little twerp you are.
"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death." Rev. 21:8.
Repent, liar.
Jackpine Savage | 10.28.11 @ 2:29PM
Dtom, I think you need to be reminded of the first law of internet flame wars, If you have to point out Spelling or Grammar errors, you have already LOST the argument.
I guess that's was the best you had.
Sad really.
DTOM| 10.28.11 @ 6:12PM
Once again, if you read my post, I did NOT disagree with mjs, I simply suggested that improved grammar and spelling would help him make his case.
Exactly how condescending is that, as opposed to declaring one a pseudo intellectual?
Spitting is easy and fun. Is any of that helping the cause or the conversation?
I say no. Do you say yes?
Boar Hunter| 10.29.11 @ 12:22AM
ass
Margie| 10.29.11 @ 11:32AM
He is indeed. No repentance there.
DTOM| 10.31.11 @ 12:42PM
BH: Name calling
Margie: judgement
Nice work kids - thanks for making it so obvious.
Margie| 10.31.11 @ 5:54PM
Oh yeah kiddo. I judge you a disingenous little twerp.
Repent you little lying jerk.
Hell isn't a nice place.
PUNK.
Clinton| 10.28.11 @ 7:53AM
Here is what Ali of the Tea Party Brew actually wrote and even while he pulls his punches it is none to flattering of Herman Cain or his campaign. "Now why you’re here. I know enough about this campaign to make the Times’ article look like glorious day in Herman’s bid for the nomination. I’ve chosen not to write it because frankly, I don’t want to damn Herman."
Ali goes on, "Even with all the touchy warm respect I’ve been given, people cling to the bad. It’s unprofessional to leave folks like me simmering on the sidelines and pissing off enough Ali‘s will prevent you from winning the nomination. Someone has to raise you the money, someone has to run the offices, someone has to look the other way from time to time. Alas, my affection for Herman still runs deep, so I’ll avoid dishing out my stories about botched fundraisers, ticked off legislators, bloggers and pundits that have withdrawn their support, staff drama, and firings that still have gone unreported."
He then turns his eye onto the smarmy Herman, "Some of his statements, namely about those regarding Governor Perry, his suspicious inability to attack Mitt Romney (although again and again, he tells us he’s on the verge of doing that), and let’s not forget the Muslim comments, have infuriated me. At some point, people on the fence with some sway, even with a little sway like myself, will realize that Herman is not just our friend, he’s running to be our President. Our President, and the campaign had better step up or we’re going to be vocal unhappy campers. But today is not that day. I’ll let others throw grenades, but my day may come yet. . . A few things are still clear: Herman Cain would run a worse campaign than President Barack Obama. All Republicans are, and I suspect will. Herman Cain needs to be the executive he keeps telling us he is. If he doesn’t, that article may just get written.”
You owe it to Tea Party voters and conservatives to write that article now Ali before it is too late.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 9:40AM
Who is "Ali", and WHY do we care??
loulou| 10.28.11 @ 10:13AM
Doctor, you took the words right out of my mouth. Ali Akbar?? Who is he? Does he work closely with Grover Norquist?
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 2:36PM
It must be a friend of Clint's.
You know, another Tea Party Wanna-Be...
DTOM| 10.28.11 @ 10:55AM
Clinton
You quote your pal Ali: "Now why you’re here. I know enough about this campaign to make the Times’ article look like glorious day in Herman’s bid for the nomination. I’ve chosen not to write it because frankly, I don’t want to damn Herman."
Is that first sentence supposed to be "Know why you're here?" Otherwise it's non-sensical. Was this your error or Ali's?
Can there be a less credible witness than one who alleges all kinds of misdeeds but refuses to 1. go public with them, 2. provide any detail about them that can be verified, and 3. offers them using a pseudonym?
No, there cannot. This is the stuff of whispering campaigns. It is dreck and should be called out as such. I call it "DRECK!"
And I hear that Ron Paul has never proposed legislation that actually became enacted as law in 12 terms in the House. What do we pay him for anyway?
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 11:00AM
Sounds like Ali baby's got an ego problem. Ooh, I smell a stinking rat.
DTOM| 10.28.11 @ 12:01PM
And he's hiding his light under that ol' bushel basket...
Loadmaster| 10.28.11 @ 8:11AM
Yea, ain't it fun!!! I've said this over and over, this is not going to be an election cycle like we've ever witnessed. I wouldn't rule out Herman announcing his VP before the Primary. You then have not 1 candidate running but 2 for the price of 1. What rule says you can't do this...Karl????
Frank Drackman| 10.28.11 @ 8:15AM
Whats America come to when someone smokin a cigs a bigger controversy than some Homo-I-Don't-Care-if-you-are-in-Iraq-Butt-Pirate askin a politically loaded question and gettin a smatterin of boos at a debate???
Frank "Tobaco free for 2o years I mean minutes" Drackman
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 8:30AM
The following candidates refused to sign The SBA Pro Life Pledge
: Herman Cain, Gov. Jon Huntsman, Gov. Gary Johnson, Gov. Mitt Romney.
http://www.sba-list.org/2012pledge
chuck| 10.28.11 @ 8:35AM
Robo-Clint posts the same thing for the 8432th time.
Get some new material.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 8:49AM
But Chuckie,
Herman Cain Didn't Sign The SBA Pro=Life Pledge.
http://www.sba-list.org/2012pledge
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 9:40AM
Maybe that's why he's leading in the polls, and Ron Paul only has...5%!!
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 10:23AM
Maybe American Spectator's Pro-Life Conservatives Will See, That Herman Cain & Mitt Romney Threw Us Under The Bus & Disrespected Our Vote.
http://www.sba-list.org/2012pledge
DTOM| 10.28.11 @ 10:58AM
Ron Paul:
12 congressional terms,
24 years of Congressman's pay,
1 pension,
0 legislation.
Yea, that's the ticket.
Mike Hawk| 10.28.11 @ 9:33PM
Rube Paul, 78 in August 2012. Time to retire.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 11:02AM
"Us"????
HA HA HA.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 11:38AM
Do Your Homework.
" Long time congressman Ron Paul has always refused to participate in the congressional pension system, labeling it "immoral"
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 12:03PM
Ron Paul is immoral in that he actually believes that his own country, the great USA is to blame for terrorism.
But hey, you agree with him like a good cult member.
Nothing you say can change his lameness.
I pity the man.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 12:26PM
Immoral ?
Dr.Ron Paul Signed The SBA's Pro-Life Pledge.
Herman Cain's The One Who Refused To Sign The SBA's Pro-Life Pledge.
http://www.sba-list.org/2012pledge
Aaaand,
" Michael Scheuer, who was the head analyst at the CIA’s bin Laden unit, Alec Station, and authored the books Through Our Enemies Eyes and Imperial Hubris, said “I thought Mr. Paul captured it the other night exactly correctly. This war is dangerous to America because it’s based, not on gender equality, as Mr. Giuliani suggested, or any other kind of freedom, but simply because of what we do in the Islamic World and because ‘we’re over there,’ basically, as Mr. Paul said in the debate.”
Scheuer also agreed with Dr. Paul’s statement in the debate that the war in Iraq was a diversion from capturing or killing Osama bin Laden and that bin Laden was “delighted” that the U.S. is occupying Iraq as it has become a training ground and recruiting tool for new jihadists joining the movement."
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 12:31PM
Signing a piece of paper means nothing when he believes what he believes about his country.
NO GO GERONIMO.
And quoting other anti-semites just proves you are still so lost.
DTOM| 10.28.11 @ 12:43PM
That has all the credibility of this:
"American Spectator poster Clinton has been seen by many to be a narrow minded fellow who usually responds to others' posts by pasting lengthy, non-responsive out-of-date quotes in support of his beloved candidate Ron Paul, who Clinton assures all who will listen is smarter than any other human being who ever has or ever will exist."
The "immoral" Congressional pension system for members first elected before 1984 can be one of four options or can be avoided altogether. Congressmen who participate DO actually contribute to their pension. So those who do not participate in the system do not contribute to it.
Gee, let's see, for decades my employer and I have been contributing to my federal pension, Social Security. And if I could have kept and invested all those contributions myself, rather than have Congress fritter it away on the day's latest federal boondoggle, I would have a huge retirement account waiting for me.
So the "moral" Ron Paul did not participate in the Congressional pension-he got to keep all those contributions for himself.
Okay, sorry, Dr. Paul I owe you one.
So did you actually help me and the other 100 million, oops! 85 million(?) working Americans enslaved to the social security "entitlement" system by avoiding the immoral Congressional pension system?
Actually, Congressman Paul is calling Social Security "immoral." I agree with you, Doc, it is immoral, a form of servitude. But please, do not try to sell me that you are somehow being honorable in refusing to partake of the pension. You are just maximizing your return on your Congressional pay.
In the Congress, you are either assisting in or INeffectively opposing a pension system that is far sweeter for you than it is for the rest of us.
Now that's "moral" isn't it?
Look here:
http://www.senate.gov/referenc.....L30631.pdf
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 1:06PM
Duuuuuuuuuuuuhh !
The Poster Clinton Is A Rick Perry Guy.
You Seem Confused.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Boar Hunter| 10.28.11 @ 6:01PM
Confused? I thought what DTOM wrote illustrated his point perfectly.
Congressmen, including that useless nut Ron Paul, have exempted themselves from all sorts of laws that apply to the rest of us.
Insider trading, Obama care, or the pension system, what does it matter what Ron Paul says to excuse himself from the moral implications of the graft if he participates in it?
Oh and Clint, before you get started on the previous posts between us, the difference in my view of DTOM and you is that, as a rational adult, I may disagree with DTOM, but DTOM can be convinced by the merits of an argument and actually convinced to change his mind.
He and I might disagree on issues, but at least I consider his views since he backs them up with rational thought. You are so emotionally attached to Ron Paul that you have become nothing more than a deranged fanatic who cannot accept the failure of Ron Paul's presidential aspirations, this time, last time or the time before that. I know, maybe he will get his big chance next election....Oh dear lord help me, now I'm explaining myself to a lunatic.
DTOM| 10.28.11 @ 6:14PM
Even pseudo intellectuals get lucky and find a nut once in a while. Gee whiz, thank you Mr. G & W Oz.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 7:51PM
DTOM,
Hey, just because somebody tells you the truth in one instance doesn't mean they won't stick up for ya when you're right!
I personally appreciate it when I'm corrected by decent men, whom I trust mean well.
I learned to respect my older brothers in the Lord early on in my Christian life.
I love the Scriptures that say to us: "Faithful are the wounds of a friend." Prov. 27:6.
True love! :^).
DTOM| 10.31.11 @ 12:56PM
It would be nice if Boar Hunter wouldn't be so arrogant in accusing me of arrogance, so lacking in humility in charging me with a lack of humility, so quick to erect strawmen in charging me with erecting strawmen, and the list goes on. And why does he do all this? Who can tell?
And please point out where Boring hunter means well? Quote one single line of well intentioned posting from him in our little forest fire above.
You might spend give some thought to your statement that you learned to respect "my older brothers in the Lord." Could not that easily be taken as Catholic priests? Did you spend any years in a seminary?
Ever consider what it might mean to you if Christ really did build his Church on the rock, Peter? Remember "Whenever two or more gather in His name." I don't presume to know the answer - I am merely suggesting that lighter, kinder touch might not be a better, more respectful approach than shouting "liars" and "papists." I'd sure hate to get that one wrong.
If you want to call me a bunch of names, now - why don't you just skip it; it'd be evidence that I'm way off base here. Or flame on me and prove me right.
Margie| 10.31.11 @ 5:59PM
You aren't worth responding to. You twist words and other's intentions without any compunction.
Sadly for you, it's what you want to BE.
I hope you repent. I'm not interested in engaging you anymore. You've proven that you are an extremely immature little punk who likes to make trouble for the wrong people, or I should say, the right people.
Must take your lessons from the other false accuser scumbag, Ken.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 7:46PM
Apparently, The Chairman Of The Bores Is The Confused Lunatic.
Dr.Ron Paul Has Never Voted For An Earmark Or An Appropriations Bill.
Aaaand, Clinton Is A Rick Perry Supporter.
I'm A Dr.Ron Paul Supporter.
loulou| 10.28.11 @ 3:16PM
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here--and Clint is not included.
Ron Paul doesn't think it's immoral to pocket a boatload of campaign contributions. Maybe that's why he is a perennial candidate.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 7:51PM
We, Dr.Ron Paul Supporters, Give Without Strings & Trust Dr.Paul To Do What He Sees Fit With Our Donations.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 2:19PM
RON PAUL = 5%.
Herman Cain = Tea Party favorite
http://conservativedailynews.c.....tea-party/
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 7:55PM
Bullshit , PropagandaBoy, Dr.Reich.
Calling him the "singular defender of liberty" in the GOP field, about 30 leaders of Ohio tea party groups this week endorsed U.S. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas for the Republican presidential nomination.
The leaders, stressing they were endorsing Paul as individuals and not on behalf of groups they represent, said in a press release they are "tired of typical Republican establishment candidates whosw rhetoric do not match their record."
Referring to Paul as a fighter "against big government in Washington for over 40 years," the tea party leaders said, "Ron Paul's record of fiscal discipline is unmatched. In 12 congressional terms he has never voted for a tax increase. He has never voted for an unbalanced budget. He has never voted for a bailout. He has never voted for raising the debt ceiling."
Among prominent signers of the release endorsing Paul: Joe Bozzi, co-founder of the Ohio Freedom Alliance and Ohio Liberty Council; Maurice Thompson, executive director of the 1851 Center for Constitutional Law; and Chris Littleton, co-founder, Ohio Liberty Council and board member of the Cincinnati Tea Party.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 2:19PM
RON PAUL = 5%.
Herman Cain = Tea Party favorite
http://conservativedailynews.c.....tea-party/
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 7:54PM
Bullshit , PropagandaBoy, Dr.Reich.
Calling him the "singular defender of liberty" in the GOP field, about 30 leaders of Ohio tea party groups this week endorsed U.S. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas for the Republican presidential nomination.
The leaders, stressing they were endorsing Paul as individuals and not on behalf of groups they represent, said in a press release they are "tired of typical Republican establishment candidates whosw rhetoric do not match their record."
Referring to Paul as a fighter "against big government in Washington for over 40 years," the tea party leaders said, "Ron Paul's record of fiscal discipline is unmatched. In 12 congressional terms he has never voted for a tax increase. He has never voted for an unbalanced budget. He has never voted for a bailout. He has never voted for raising the debt ceiling."
Among prominent signers of the release endorsing Paul: Joe Bozzi, co-founder of the Ohio Freedom Alliance and Ohio Liberty Council; Maurice Thompson, executive director of the 1851 Center for Constitutional Law; and Chris Littleton, co-founder, Ohio Liberty Council and board member of the Cincinnati Tea Party.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Drunken Sailor| 10.28.11 @ 12:45PM
Cain issued a statement to explain why he chose not to sign the pledge. He said he agrees with the first three parts of the pledge because he “adamantly” supports the appointing pro-life judges and selecting pro-life appointees to his Cabinet and the Executive Branch as well as ending taxpayer funding for abortions, but he had a problem with the last part of the pledge.
“The fourth requirement demands that I 'advance' the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act. As president, I would sign it, but Congress must advance the legislation,” he said. “I have been a consistent and unwavering champion of pro life issues. In no way does this singular instance of clarification denote an abandonment of the pro-life movement, but instead, is a testament to my respect for the balance of power and the role of the presidency.”
Clint| 10.29.11 @ 8:53AM
More Herman Cain Shuck & Jive.
That's What The Presidential Bully Pulpit's For.
Herman Cain Has Now Made Shuck & Jive Excuse For Being A TARPSTER, A FEDSTER. Reversing His Stand On Muslims. 9-9-9 To 9-0-9, Now Abortion.
This Guy Is A Shuck & Jive Phoney Conservative.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Timothey L. Pennell| 10.28.11 @ 8:39AM
I'm curious as to who The Architect had in 2008's Democrat Pool, at this time. Does ANYONE think that he had The Muslim? Did ANY of the Geniuses have The Muslim?
Of course not. It was HILLARY, all the way. She walked around like she had just taken a bite of Imperial Margarine, and all of our Elite, Genuflected before her.
The only thing that Carl Rove was the "Architect" of, was the DISASTEROUS Strategy of NOT FIGHTING BACK against the incessant barrage of Lies and Accusations, and Libel and Slander, that was hurled at George W. Bush for YEARS, without end. And without any Response or any efforts at getting out the TRUTH!
The Architect believed, that it was beneath the Office of the President, to actually respond to Lies and Slander, and Misrepresentations. And we all know how that turned out. Great Plan.
GO CAIN.
Brent Larson| 10.28.11 @ 9:33AM
Dude, you just nailed it!
loulou| 10.28.11 @ 10:14AM
Ditto.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 11:03AM
BRILLIANT, dude. (Bro.). :^).
POST American| 10.28.11 @ 8:41AM
-------------------HER--MAN CAIN------------------------
--------------------------is the--------------------------------
----------------Rockefeller-ROT-child---------------------
--------------------------'FED'--------------------------------
Proud Mormon| 10.28.11 @ 8:52AM
The Tea Party are right-wing idiots. Backing a candidate who has a snow ball’s chance you know where winning the general election. How many times do I have to say it Romney is the best candidate the Republicans can offer? Obviously there is still lingering prejudice over his religious beliefs, come on admit it.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 9:10AM
Romney Will Be Exposed For TARP, RomneyCare, Bain Capital's Hand In Job Cutting & Bankruptcies, Crony Capital Campaign Money, Not Signing The SBA Pro-Life Pledge, Just For Starters.
This RINO-CINO Is The Frontman For Wall Street & The Ruling Elite, Not Main Street & We, The Freemen.
Follow Romney's Campaign Money Trail.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 2:38PM
Clint just wants to see Romney "exposed"...
He thinks Romney's hot.
Clint| 10.28.11 @ 7:36PM
You're The Israel Firster Flunkie Stooge RINO-CINO, Who Said He'll Vote For Romney,Dr.Reich.
The Tea Party Rebelliion Is Here.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 7:54PM
Flunkie Stooge?
Sheesh, Clint. Isn't that really what you are for Ron Paul?
Why won't you vote for the Republican candidate for President, even if it isn't Ron Paul?
Wouldn't that make you (in truth), a flunkie Stooge or a RINO CINO?
Really...
Clint| 10.29.11 @ 8:47AM
Why Are You & Dr.Reich American Spectator's Resident Lapsed Catholic/Anti-Catholic Serial Bigot Twins ?
Aaaand, You're The RINO-CINO Flunkie Stooge, Who Voted For The Serial Traitor To Conservatism, John McCain Of McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Lieberman, Gang Of 14, Opposing Bush Tax Cuts Of 2001 & 2003, TARP, Hobbitts.
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
Margie| 10.29.11 @ 9:31PM
All I have to say to you is: You're a blatant liar. Like soooo many of your "friends."
Margie| 10.29.11 @ 10:03PM
And why don't you repent of your filth?
You must answer to God.
JKS| 10.28.11 @ 10:05AM
I don't like Romney because he's a Northeastern liberal republican, which is to say statist. As a Mormon, what do you think of his pro-abortion stance? If you tell me he did it just to get elected, that makes him a political whore and we don't need any more of those in the White House.
DTOM| 10.28.11 @ 11:07AM
Sure, I have a problem with his religion.
Not the Mormon part, the "I believe in ORomneyCare" religion whose central tenet is that 'the government knows what's best for us and our earnings and we'd better let the government control our lives cause we're too stupid to care for ourselves' part.
Blaming dissatisfaction with Romney on an anti-Mormon bias is as stupid and counter-productive as the poor, young, uneducated, bad attitude black kid with tats, dreads, and pants-on-the ground blaming Wall Street because no one will hire the creepy, menacing little jerk.
It's because Romney supports cap and trade, he believes in global warming, he can't back down from RomneyCare, because he's ObamaLite, and because he's smarmy, condescending, and thinks he's destined to be President (even though he's not.)
Doctor Right| 10.28.11 @ 2:25PM
"The Tea Party are right-wing idiots."
This, from a guy who thinks that...
1. The indigenous people of the Americas are descended from the 12 tribes of Israel...
2. Jesus preached to indigenous peoples in North and South America, and...
3. Joseph Smith was a "prophet" who found some Golden Plates inscribed with a secret language under a tree in upstate New York, and...
4. Romney is the BEST candidate the Republicans can offer...LOL!
All 4 points are patently false and absurd.
And rather than cry "prejudice", maybe your love of Romney is BECAUSE he's a Mormon???
Mormonism = False faith.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 7:56PM
Oh, no! Another one who says Mormonism isn't false.
Why... we can't have that!
How Bigoted!
You church of one, Dr. Right!
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 7:56PM
Oops. IS false.
Louis Jenkins| 10.28.11 @ 8:53AM
As much as I hate to say it abortion will be a "non-issue" in the coming election cycle. If any Republican candidate makes it a huge issue he will be toast. True conservatives are expected to make a stand at the gates on abortion, but America is slow to elect such a person.
If you watch the MSM you will notice that Romney gets all the press, and Cain is just a "also ran." Strange since he is now 4% above the man. We'll see how this pans out.
Silver Bullet| 10.28.11 @ 10:09AM
I hate legal abortion as much as anyone, but I have to say that Louis is probably right: "America is slow to elect such a person."
I love Santorum for his principled stand against abortion, but when I see the hatred for him and his Catholicism posted on-line, I can't help but think that America is not going to elect him President.
I have come to believe that in order for America to get rid of legal abortion-on-demand, it will take a change of heart; or, like with the Civil War, a knock-down, dragged-out fight, to get rid of slavery. Even the Civil War didn't abolish prejudice against blacks.
The same will be true for abortion -- if ever; that even if it were declared illegal again overnight, it would take 100 years for the general public to accept that it is wrong.
Right now, we need to get the baby-brain-sucker out of the White House (partial birth abortion supporter, Obama). And I'm not sure that this issue is going to "make the sale" to enough Americans to do that.
Most Americans (unfortunately) just don't care enough about abortion for the simple reason that they aren't the ones being aborted (yet! --just wait 'til euthanasia becomes mandatory)...
Too bad -- for the 55-million murdered since Roe v. Wade; most Americans don't give a damn past their next pay-check, their next football game, their next fast-food meal with fries and chips, and their next vacation.
DTOM| 10.28.11 @ 11:10AM
I'm with Silver and Louis. Abortion is not the President's job; it's Congress's. Whenever you worry about abortion, just work harder on taking the Senate next year.
The MSM are bringing it up as a wedge between us - let's not lose focus.
George S| 10.28.11 @ 9:28AM
Already the Cain campaign is creating more jobs a week than Obama has created in two years. How about that, Karl Rove?
Derek Leaberry| 10.28.11 @ 9:58AM
Cain benefits from being fresh and not being one of the several flawed other Republican candidates. When he is more exposed he should sink with the rest of the motley field. Perhaps Dan Quayle should put aside the golf clubs and make a run.
Silver Bullet| 10.28.11 @ 10:02AM
Are you for real? Dan Quayle? Dan Quayle!!??
Derek Leaberry| 10.28.11 @ 10:47AM
I am joking.
DTOM| 10.28.11 @ 11:10AM
Hey, AS!!!
We really could use a sarcasm font over here!
chuck| 10.30.11 @ 9:40AM
How about brackets?
[Jack and Clint are the most intelligent people i have ever read. When I grow up, I want to be just like Clint!. Jack is my hero!]
DTOM| 10.31.11 @ 12:58PM
I like it. A lot. Let's!
Silver Bullet| 10.28.11 @ 10:00AM
I like Herman Cain. He is genuine, he is authentic, he is a straight-talker.
No, I don't agree with everything he's said. But we aren't electing a party platform, we're electing a person, who will have to react and to act as events dictate. The last 10 years have shown us, if anything, that our nation itself is in uncharted waters (viz. the headline of this article).
When the Nina, the Pinta, and the Santa Maria are in uncharted waters, we need a captain whose character we can trust.
If anyone fits MLK's description of judging a man by the content of his character, it is Herman Cain.
Contrast Herman's character any day to that of BHO. Contrast his obvious forthrightness in interviews with the careful, guarded, focus-group-tested phrases issuing from the mouth of Romney.
Who has THE key ingredient needed so sorely at this crisis-moment in our nation's history -- integrity?
And who is the ONLY Republican who can give a stern lecture and dressing-down to Obama face-to-face in next Autumn's debates?
Why, Obama is as "faux-"African-American as the trendy liberal-lefty salon-dwelling professors who groomed him -- think of the Bill Ayers crowd. No one -- NO ONE -- else among the Republicans comes CLOSE to Herman in his real-world experience. Herman has more real-world experience in his pinky-finger than Obama has had in all his many pampered years living amongst the self-anointed illuminati who dwell in campus faculty lounges.
Herman may stumble a bit as he gains his footing, but he is GENUINE!! What we need to think about -- mostly -- is WHO will do best standing toe-to-toe against Obama in next Fall's debates. HERMAN CAIN, that's who!!
JKS| 10.28.11 @ 10:10AM
Thank you for brilliantly laying out my sentiments. It does not bother me when Mr. Cain messes up. It just proves to me he is human.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 11:10AM
Agree with you, JKS, and not only that, but Herman Cain's "messing up" is faux, Media driven "messing up."
Conservatives who aren't petty, who aren't looking to bring him down for the sole reason that THEIR candidate needs to move up in the polls because Herman Cain is beating their pants off~ real conservatives recognize the real thing when we see it.
And THAT'S Herman Cain.
martin j smith| 10.28.11 @ 10:18AM
You know what the Roves do? They pick a flaw or a gaff ( as if Obama does not make a dozen a second ) and focus in on that one and claim "Cain can't win. or something to that effect. As soon as I see that I know what is going and and I say-Rove just keep roven along because your views are history.
martin j smith| 10.28.11 @ 10:31AM
Look at Fox News. com on line and this is typical of Fox--a little "hit" piece about Cain ? I am almost 100% certain Fox does not like Cain among others.
DTOM| 10.28.11 @ 11:17AM
mjs;
My theory is that Fox is just a little to the right of the rest of the MSM.
Remember the story about the two campers awoken by a very loud snuffling sound outside their tent?
The first guy starts putting on his shoes, the second guy whispers to him. "That's a grizzly bear out there. What are you putting your shoes on for, nobody can outrun a grizzly bear!"
The guy with the shoes responds, "I don't have to outrun him, I just have to outrun you."
So Fox is just enough to the right to attract the entire right wing - in their hearts, when you really listen to them they are mostly triangulating moderates at best. Hannity is the rightmost of them. Seen Glen Beck over there lately?
So Fox is not really to be trusted all that much...
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 11:12AM
Yep. The Media and Establishment Republicans don't appreciate Herman Cain.
But the country class does.
Country Class Women for Herman Cain 2012!
OregonBuzz| 10.28.11 @ 11:38AM
It's difficult to understand why Karl Rove gets so much air time since he is generally wrong across the board. Conspiracy theorists on the other hand could assume he is an assassin hired by the GOP which seems to be fawning over Romney the Democrat Lite candidate.
JohnC| 10.28.11 @ 11:48AM
Ex Fed guy Herman appears to me to be a libertarian globalist not a conservative but I am open to being corrected.
Cain said at several debates that he would punt to the states on immigration enforcement thus guaranteeing sanctuary cities for all Border States except Arizona.
He also said at one debate he would not reinstate DADT on the military and has been confusing on abortion.
His first instincts were not to audit Helicopter Ben who loves backdoor bailouts by endlessly printing monopoly money.
Finally, Herman said he would advocate not taxing U.S. companies that have outsourced their manufacturing overseas for cheap labor thus giving these anti-American firms an incentive to further screw Middle Class America and destroy our economy.
Silver Bullet| 10.28.11 @ 1:36PM
Whom do you support among those running? Can your guy win against Obama?
Look: I love a lot about Ron Paul. There are some things he says, however, that pop the eyeballs out of my sockets. He has a lot of things right, mainly, about the USA having abandoned any semblance of obeying the Constitution, going all the way back to FDR (at least). But this kind of talk truly is just too much for most of the electorate to digest, and they will reject him in a general election. That's even if we can get our arms around the idea of an 81-year-old POTUS, which he'd be if he served 'til 2017.
I love Santorum's courage defending the unborn babies against the baby-brain-sucker-in-chief (Obama, with his clones Sotomayor and Kagan now entrenched on the Court). But he isn't going to win the general election unless a lot of people stop hating him for actually adhering to the religion that he professes. (He is no Ted Kennedy, no Joe Biden, no Nancy Pelosi when it comes to Catholicism.) Website comments pages are filled with hundreds of entries filled with outright rage, even hatred, for Santorum because he dares to be publicly, faithfully Catholic in EVERY respect.
Rick Perry is too tongue-tied even to listen to what he says. Obama would clobber him in a debate.
Mitt Romney is too fork-tongued even to listen to what he says. Every thing he says, I'm sure, is poll-tested, and focus-group tested. He is plastic, and looks just like the Barbie-doll boyfriend Ken -- and is just as plastic as Ken-doll.
Gingrich has a nuclear-powered intellect, and a history suggesting that his temperament is also nuclear -- nuclear-bomb, that is -- prone to blow-ups at unexpected times, like when he oh-so-stupidly called Paul Ryan an "extremist." Not to mention all his other past indiscretions. Obama would blow him out of the water as the Gingrich-who'll-steal-Christmas.
Huntsman isn't even a Republican, so far as I can tell. I think he's auditioning to be the "John Anderson" of 2012 -- ready to be a spoiler like John Anderson tried to do against Reagan in 1980. Don't think it can't happen -- John Anderson garnered roughly 6% of the vote back then. There's zero assurance that the Republican nominee has that much leeway in 2012.
Bachmann is a fine Congresswoman, but she comes across as not having the inner grit that it's going to take in order to push back when Obama and his bullies start shoving and name-calling next year's nominee. Where is the core? What gets her angry? I can't see her getting angry -- and for that, I think she is disqualified.
Herman is my guy -- see my other posting.....
Havoc| 10.28.11 @ 12:56PM
Karl Rove? The 'architect' of the eight-year train wreck of the George W. Bush Administration? Spendthrift, open-bordered, militarily incompetent, and incoherent ... times eight years. I don't think I care what Karl Rove thinks about ... anything.
Mormon Girl| 10.28.11 @ 1:49PM
Me and my friends from BYU are working hard on Mitt's campaign in Iowa. Were closing in on Cain in the polls and will win here and New Hampshire-foregone conclusion. The nomination is for Mitt's to lose and he won't.
Frank Drackman| 10.28.11 @ 2:00PM
hey Baby, nuthin against your Religion-Thats-Not-Any-Stranger-Than-A-Jewish-Hippy-Walking-on-Water...
in fact 2 of your mission-airys lived right down the street a few years back.
They'd come over to shoot some hoops, throw back a few O'douls, and tell some Black jokes..
Just kidding.
They wouldn't drink O'douls, with that %0.5 alcohol content...
and I don't miss an episode of "Big Love"
but..............................
Mitt Romney couldn't even come in second to a dried up fossil like John McCain...
He QUIT.
What would have happened if Brigham Young had quit???
and I know its only been 23 years since y'all allowed Blacks in your Cult, I mean Club...
but Herb Cain's gonna beat Mitt Good-Hair like Ike beat Tina...
Frank
loulou| 10.28.11 @ 3:19PM
The original cult leader wasn't Brigham Young. It was a guy named Joseph Smith. How prosaic.
Not that I have anything against Mormons.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 3:51PM
You're not allowed to call it a cult. The wrath of Ken the Old Texicater may come down on you and call Bigotry! And "Church of One!"
nohussein| 10.28.11 @ 4:17PM
They beat the hell out of rag head scum.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 4:22PM
Huh?
Bob| 10.28.11 @ 2:02PM
The experts are morons.
nohussein| 10.28.11 @ 2:12PM
Just another black preacher. No Cain.
nohussein| 10.28.11 @ 2:14PM
9-9-9, no, no, no. VAT TAX.
Chris| 10.28.11 @ 2:26PM
The devine "Power" of God Almighty is at work leading the Hermanator to the Oval Office.
The HONORABLE Congressman Allen West as his VP candidate will bring him over the top!
Go Herman and lead us to the passage of "The Fair Tax Plan HR25" the only sane idea that will save this Country and transfer the "Power" of Congress back to WE THE PEOPLE where it belongs and always belonged in the first place.
The IRS= The Internal Racketeering Service Of The United States Of La Cosa Nostra America. Herman Cain hasn't even started to SANDBAG the political establishment yet with all the meritorious and relevant parts contained therein of HR-25 .Many Politicans are too stupid to look it up or read the Published Books on the subject.
Only a flammmming Fooool would argue AGAINST KEEPING ALL OF THEIR OWN MONEY EVERY PAYDAY!
nohussein| 10.28.11 @ 2:30PM
Two black preachers, you don't learn do you, West is a turncoat, how did he vote on the debt ceiling? When in history has a member of the minority ever successfully led the majority?
nohussein| 10.28.11 @ 2:31PM
By the way, God does not support baby killers.
martin j smith| 10.28.11 @ 3:22PM
This my view of the candidates--it is too soon to make a judgement who to chose. There are those who seem to be far better than others but the "night is young" so to speak. It is not about the so called debates--which should be boycotted by the way but a variety of stuff that represent the positions taken by the various candidates. I say this because the crowd that run these debates do not have the voters interests but Establishment Washington's interests only. I hear that Cain Gingrich are going to have their version of Lincoln -Douglas debates, Its not the be all or end all but good for them go at it. Lets see if others take up this sort of thing--make your own debate. But what is most important is this series of questions: How badly oes the candidate not only want to be president of the US ( BTW ) but actually win the election. 2) How much does the candidate relate to the voter instead of the MSM and thus Washington culture ? 3) Do their policies make sense considering the times we live in and also the context of the 2010 election?4) Exactly what do think of Obama's policies both domestic and foreign and are they willing to take on Obama without fear ?
This will do for starters and candidates that demonstrate positive ratings on these issues are OK with me. But perfect is unrealistic.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 3:36PM
Well said, as always, Martin.
And yes, the night is still young. May the best man win.
nohussein| 10.28.11 @ 6:06PM
margie, what don't you understand?
nohussein| 10.28.11 @ 6:08PM
cain is trying, as the hussein did, to make blacks viable leaders, won't happen.
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 7:02PM
Uh huh. And you know this, how? Have you been talking to Ken lately or something?
nohussein| 10.28.11 @ 7:15PM
Nope, just stating facts based on history, you don't like that do you?
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 8:03PM
Fact? Really?
Well, kiddo, the FACT is this: Herman Cain IS a living, breathing genuine conservative. He isn't and doesn't have to TRY anything, he just IS.
By his excellent example, he is contributing to the good of society in a real way. He isn't anything LIKE Obama. My goodness, can you truly not see that?
Herman Cain is genuine. He is, in fact, a genuine leader. A successful leader in the business world as well.
In FACT~ I'd venture to say that he is the EXACT opposite of Obama hussein, who, minus the tele-prompter is a BIG FAT ZERO.
nohussein| 10.28.11 @ 7:16PM
cain is playing the race card, it's that simple.
nohussein| 10.28.11 @ 7:20PM
Marge- What have negros ever accomplished on their own?
Margie| 10.28.11 @ 8:04PM
OK, you've outed your own self.
Racist.
You aren't worth speaking to.
Papist Troll| 10.29.11 @ 2:59PM
This is rich, a bigot calling another a racist.
Margie| 10.29.11 @ 9:32PM
Snake.
Tina B| 10.29.11 @ 7:37AM
Try searching Black Inventors, imbecile, there are hundreds of them. What have you accomplished on your own, paleface?
Scott| 10.28.11 @ 9:19PM
Sites like this, and the conservative movement in general, seems convinced if they ignore reality long enough, that things will turn out differently.
Its beyond obvious to anyone without a massive filter on their view, that Romney will be the nominee.
skip| 10.29.11 @ 1:42PM
Lend a little credibility to your words:
Provide the top three republican party leaders in the polls and their corresponding percentages, and the top three democrat party leaders in the polls and their corresponding percentages, from a year ago today, October 29, 2010, in order to provide weight to the perspective of reality generally, and of filtered views specifically, you are attempting to inject into this discussion.
Thanks.
skip| 10.29.11 @ 1:54PM
Let me lend a little credibility to my own words, and correct the above request to poll results from not one year ago today but four years ago today, October 29, 2007.
Thanks.
gary siebel| 10.28.11 @ 10:31PM
The Repub convention promises to be quite entertaining. I'll bet it's ratings swamp the Dems. However, that will not necessarily be evidence of a good thing. Think, rather, of the spectacle of clowns at a circus running from lions and tigers; throw in some bears too. Just like the colosseum, except the Christians would be the lions, tigers and bears, and the candidates obviously the clowns. Hoops of fire as litmus tests, the crowd screaming for blood, should make for some great reality tv. Which will win, purity or strength? Emotion or logic? Sloganeering or discussion?
Obama vs Cain would be hugely entertaining as well. Too bad it wont happen. But Obama's gonna win anyway, so it doesn't matter who the Repubs pick Barring unforseen events (aren't they all?) real estate will show some real signs of life in Las Vegas by next summer.
POST American| 10.28.11 @ 10:41PM
--------------------FINAL WORD------------------------
------------------HER-MAN CAIN----------------------
-------------------------is the-------------------------------
---------------Rockefeller/ ROT-child-----------------
-------------------------'FED'-------------------------------
Weirdstuff| 10.29.11 @ 1:07AM
You know...I really enjoy coming to this site but I just can't handle this COMMENT thread. You people are friggin nuts! AmSpec should get control of the fruit loops in the comments section giving this site a bad name. It's not hard to remove a site from a favorites list. GEEEEEZZZ!!!
skip| 10.29.11 @ 1:51PM
Duly noted, you would restrict freedom of speech if you were in charge.
It is too bad this site is so offensive the opportunity for more insightful comments such as this one will likely be lost to us all.
john solis| 10.29.11 @ 5:06AM
Please PLEASE P-L-E-A-S-E Get rid of that "37 items you should hoard email"!
I let it run five minutes and it STILL had not mentioned a single item.
Then I ran my spyware program ...
C'mon! I expect better.
Ted| 10.29.11 @ 9:02AM
I enjoy reading the comments to articles, just to get some different perspectives. However, trying to argue down some commentors does nothing but pull the general discussion away from the article. Please ignore the argumentative people, say what you wish to say about the article, then move on!
Margie| 10.29.11 @ 11:35AM
If you're inhuman, you can do that.
Melvin| 10.29.11 @ 1:11PM
The old saying of, "If you tell something to someone long enough, they'll eventually believe it."
This appears to be the direction of the Establishment Republicans. Just keep the message out there that Romney is going to be the presumptive Republican candidate and it will be so, and if Sen. John McCain's Presidential run is proof of that, then, there is validity in the Tea leaves.
I don't know about many of you, I don't want nor do we need Gov. John McCain Junior. "But Herman isn't experienced!" Hmmm. well to be perfectly honest it is the experienced Political Establishment Elites that have gotten us into the crappy situation that we are in.
Come on people be honest with yourselves. There isn't a Tinkers Damn worth a difference between the RNC and the DNC. These parties are a disease that has morphed together and created a cancer upon this Country that is so deadly, it appears that there isn't a cure for it.
Herman Cain is the inoculation that both political parties need. He is that long needle and that stiff medicine that both parties need to get stuck in the rear-end and feel that cold hard knot of Conservatism coursing through they're bodies and burning away the Progressive disease.
OreGun| 10.29.11 @ 2:16PM
I have been following this blog for the last 2 years and it always is informative and I personally get a chuckle or two from the banter that goes on. It is my favorite place to enjoy my first cup of coffee and see which way the pendulum swings in the world of political insanity. Thank you all!
nohussein| 10.29.11 @ 5:24PM
marge, Please cease with the PC crap already, OK?
Silver Bullet| 10.29.11 @ 9:15PM
I petition the moderator to remove you from this site.
I can hardly believe that anyone actually believes what you do -- in fact, I wonder if you aren't some sort of undercover Democrat posting your racist comments just to make conservatives look bad.
I hope that the web master blocks your computer from any further contact with us.
Margie| 10.29.11 @ 9:44PM
nohussein is Legion, for he is many.
And they won't remove him. If they did, they'd have to remove me too, just to be "fair."
They consider those of us who stand on Scripture as evil as the lying filth.
You see, they are just as politically correct as the rest of the World.. if a Christian calls a liar a liar, or a snake a snake it is just as wrong to them as despicable Trolls like the above to post filthy racist comments. And it is permitted for slander to go on here by Catholic liars toward Christians.. because Catholics are their advertisers (and some of their authors) and they can't offend them! They can post the filthiest lies and slander.
Take Ken (Old Tex) the filthy slanderer who posts his slanderous filthy charges against me here... yet never posts the e mail he supposedly has. He is the resident supposed "good guy". He isn't held accountable for what he says or does, by ANYONE.
Their a bunch of cowards, as he is.
So, Clint aka the Legion Troll gets to stay, as well as I.
But God is just. He throws filthy liars and slanderers into Hell.
"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second Death." Rev. 21:8.
"Let the evildoer still do evil, and the filthy still be filthy, and the righteous still do right, and the holy still be holy."
"Behold, I am coming soon, bringing My recompense, to repay every one for what he has done." Rev. 22:11 & 12.
Clint| 10.30.11 @ 10:35AM
American Spectator's Resident Religious Bigot Nutbag, Margie Is Over On The "Religion Flocks To Wall Street" Thread Hissing At Everybody.
See A Religious Counselor & A Psychiatrist.
Margie| 10.30.11 @ 4:30PM
Hissing is what you and your lying reprobates do here daily against Bible believing Christians who reject the lying Papacy and put our faith in the Son of God, the Savior of Mankind.
He is the ONLY Mediator between God and Man, as it is written in the Scriptures. 1 Tim. 2:5.
Repent, SNAKE! And believe the Gospel of God.
Beginning with Mk. 1:1.
Rowdy Boots| 10.29.11 @ 11:27PM
Dear Mr Carl Rove,
Excuse me, but you are interrupting our conversation.
Bad manners are deadly to Tea Party critics.
First, please realize that you are no longer in charge of the Conservative Movement, as if you ever were.
Second, please try to control your envy and irritation with powers you no longer control.
And, PLEASE
GET RID OF THE SILLY, PATHETIC WHITE BOARD...IT REALLY MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE A SMUCK WHO HAS TO SPELL THINGS OUT FOR THOSE YOU CONSIDER TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND YOUR TWISTED LOGIC.
I mean, are you really serious?
T Davis| 10.30.11 @ 5:29AM
I think the difference this election year is far more voters are engaged and informed about candidates. We the People will choose the candidate, not the news media.
martin j smith| 10.30.11 @ 7:55AM
T. Davis --you are among the saner people that post and more realistic relatively speaking. I am one of thpse voters who are far more involved in monitoring events far more closely than ever in my lifetime. Here is my take so far:
In a way its: "The more things change the more they remain the same" A French expression I am told. The battle between Establishment Republicans and Conservatives is not new. What is relatively new in modern times-my lifetime--is the Tea Party. That is what is new. Its people actually giving voice to the grievances and are fed up with business as usual. Cain represents this phenomenon. He is Engaging,articulate and successful and has a grasp of what is wrong with our nation. Romney represents what the Tea Party views as wrong with our nation. I think the important thing is to not allow the Media including the blogosphere to influence your opinions too much. Take much with a grain of salt. Especially polls. I would also add that with regard to Romney observe to what extent he gets vetted--that is questioned about his record. However, also observe if other rival candidates Cain included challenge Romney for it is up to them to convince the voter that they are the best choice. The debate format is not useful much at all in itself. One has to look beyond that. In regard to Cain I think if he is really the real deal he will take on Romney. If he does not I am not so sure.
martin j smith| 10.30.11 @ 8:05AM
I want to add one other point related to what I just posted and relates to trolls who give opinions that might let us say"concern" some of you. This involves the "self-assurance" that Obama will be reelected. The only way that will happen is if WE stay home. I really feel it is somewhat sad to say this but except for Huntsman and Ron Paul I will not stay home. Even if Romney is the nominee.
One of the things I have learned well before the Tea Party came around is that change has to be done in stages and removing Obama is just stage one. I would much prefer someone else.
Clint| 10.30.11 @ 10:25AM
Cain’s TARP talk, praise of the Fed could hurt him with conservative voters
By Cameron Joseph - 10/13/11 08:38 PM ET
Businessman Herman Cain has shot to the top of the polls with support from Tea Party members, but his backing of the Troubled Asset Relief Program and opposition to auditing the Federal Reserve could hurt him with those same voters.
Levi Russell, the spokesman for the fiscally conservative group Americans for Prosperity, said that Cain will have to explain his stances on these issues if he is to remain a first-tier candidate.
“Among the Tea Party audience, the TARP bailout is something they’re adamantly against, and they’re going to absolutely need to hear more from him on this issue to be comfortable with him,” said Russell. “I don’t know one Tea Party activist who’d say it’s a bad idea to audit the Fed, that’s not a popular position for him to be staking out.”
The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.
martin j smith| 10.30.11 @ 11:22AM
There is a difference of opinion and having a difference of opinion and being truly nutsy loony. For those of you who are grounded in reality--you can tell which is which.
martin j smith| 10.30.11 @ 11:31AM
Check out gateway Pundit post on Ron Paul supporters interrupting Herman Cain. This one other reason why I will never, ever,ever,ever,ever,ever ever,ever,ever,ever vote for Ron Paul for anything. You know the expression the apples don't all far from the tree. Well this is very true of Ron Paul supporters. I have heard them on various talk radio programs. They would fit right in with the Obama base --and do. They support OWS. Then the is Ron Paul's dangerous foreign policy and lack of defense policy\--plus he is just as much Anti_-American as Obama ( blaming the US for 9/11 ) so he has been and once again I say out for me as a possible
choice..
jakeq| 10.30.11 @ 11:33AM
America is entering an inflection point of change.
The establishment - obsolete government model, politicians, over taxation, over regulation, over regulation and an overflow of talking heads in the broadcast media peddling useless information - polls, data, and pontification - is completely disconnected from the people.
Fire the establishment.
Hire Herman Cain for hope, reform, and prosperity
KuroShinzo| 10.30.11 @ 12:21PM
The more Clint talks, the more my bile rises when I think of Ron Paul. And I don't really know anything about him. Except for Clint's crush.
Helen| 10.30.11 @ 1:34PM
Karl Rove is a has-been with no credibility to tell Conservatives who should be OUR nominee to run for President. If Karl Rove raun for office tomorrow, the only vote he would get would be his own. Rove should do the USA a huge favor, and sit down, shut up, and get a real job, because We,The People are sick and tired of seeing and listening to you on Fox. Comprende??????
nohussein| 10.30.11 @ 3:40PM
No Cain, no more pain.
Margie| 10.30.11 @ 9:28PM
People like you TROLL of many monikers, cannot stand Herman Cain because he's a genuine human being, a real conservative, and not a BEAST.
Repent, filthy person.
WM| 10.31.11 @ 9:38PM
"One expert who isn't afraid to admit the difficulty of figuring the odds on Cain is Nate Silver, wizard of political statistics at the New York Times. Examining the gap between the weak "fundamentals" of Cain's campaign and his high poll numbers, Silver concluded that "there is either something fundamentally unusual about this year's Republican nomination process, or perhaps that some sort of 'new normal' has been established and that the old rules of how you win a nomination no longer carry as much weight." And as far as trying to predict the chances of Cain's future success, Silver threw up his hands: "Not only do I not know how I would go about estimating the likelihood that Mr. Cain will win the Republican nomination -- I'm not sure that there is a good way to do so at all.""
In other words, Cain is a black swan. Ha ha! Sorry, couldn't help myself.
WM| 10.31.11 @ 9:39PM
"What Cain is doing has never been done before, because it's never been tried before."
To quote Neo from The Matrix, "That's why it's going to work."
stmichrick| 10.31.11 @ 10:29PM
But it's Monday of another week and let the lynching begin.
However; let's not let this crisis go to waste; time to recall Anita Hill and the bimbo eruptions of Bubba.